>RAIDOU Remastered: The Mystery of the Soulless Army Released on Steam and Switch 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Xyh3SciAM

>Raidou Remastered World Spotlight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIr3mDfEAlo

>VV has a demo now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Br8Pt11f0

>SMT VV patch 1.0.3 is out. includes 6 new navigators, one new quest and demon

>Atlus 2025 Aspirations Tease Upcoming Announcement from Shin Megami Tensei Team, New Experience from Persona Team:
https://personacentral.com/atlus-2025-aspirations-tease/

>Giten Megami Tensei's partial translation patch for PC-98
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7343/

>Vengeance OST scans
https://imgur.com/a/smtvv-ost-liner-notes-cNN28YJ

>Shin Megami Tensei The Board Game Kickstarter
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smtboardgame/shin-megami-tensei-board-game

>Megaten Fusion Tools [For real fusion autists!]
https://aqiu384.github.io/megaten-fusion-tool/home

>Archive of 3DS Texture Packs
https://reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/1b6v86u/3ds_games_hd_texture_packs_are_gone/

>Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 soundtracks are now available on digital streaming services

>Old neocities site containing info and useful links (no longer updated)
https://smtgen.neocities.org/#original-post

>SMT TTRPG Campaign PDF:
https://files.catbox.moe/rdqfh3.pdf

>20XX rereleased on April 24th for the Nintendo Switch. Steam on May 8th
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3652460/GMODE_20XX/

Last cycle: >>529542546

This will be a Neutral thread

chicken wifey

Sex with Asahi

See Raidou's updated model in SMTV really, really makes me believe it was updated this way to be put in SMTV. It's poly count matches the models in that game. Also they didn't give anything else that treatment too. By that I mean the Raidou only demon models. I'm seriously going to laugh my fucking ass off if Radiou gets added as a guest in V and Yakumo is never playable.

>>530129160
what is his innate skill?

>>530129809
steal yo wife

>>530129160
Isn't that one of his figures as his little icon in the top bar? Cute.

>>530129809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku7z12akAE8

>they finally do fujo merch
>just their offical art slapped together
>it unironically costs THIS much
>fujos are still buying it
This is legitimately insane. It's a fucking keychain. THIS IS OVER 200 DOLLARS.

>>530130949
if a few fujo whales are what it takes to keep this series afloat I accept it

>>530129117

>>530129117
Asahi is exclusively built for rape.

Strange journey 2 when?

>>530132179
why do you want the series afloat in this state

The fourth supplement for the Shin Megami Tensei TRPG has been fan translated :)
Not for the one linked in the OP, but Devil City Tokyo 200X (The edition after).
Check it out https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HVBxJrp6uU87QdY_IdMI7_D-TV1fOe0d/view

>>530130949
This franchise is a fucking joke. I'm so close to abandoning it

>>530130949
Welcome to fanboyism (or rather fangirlism in this case?)
The goal is not to own something that they could easily make themselves, the goal is to buy shit to send a message.
The idol industry is the same, with people buying hundred of the same CDs to give a chance for their idol of choice to have a spot in the sun.
It's the same logic.

>>530142720
make a fangame

>>530143579
I just don't like the message. Fujos overtook DW, fujos overtook WSJ, nothing is safe from fujos.

got the urge to play giten.
maybe i'll finish it this time lol.
picking up where i left off. right after baal? fake baal?

>>530143841

>that foot wiggle by Alps demon in the pose first 5 minutiae of the game.

Holy sex. What are some other sexy raidou demons I can capture?

>>530145284
Capture specifically?
In the OG game:
Shuvuu if you like her, Leanan Sidhe otherwise.
If you're talking about Raidou "exclusive" demons then Nekomata as they use the furry variant.
If you're playing the remaster, Pixie, because she wasn't even in the OG game and was only added in Raidou 2.

>>530145284
There is a bunch of sexy demons in Raidou Remaster that you can get through either capture or Fusion. First that come to mind is Lilim, Undyne, Cybele and some Doi waifus (Artemis is DLC).

it's like i'm playing the world of sloth again

Why did they remove the playable NPC characters via passwords in redux?
You could use all the forms of jimenez, zelenin and even mem aleph in the original with passwords
Do they hate fun?

>>530145284
Mermaid. Mermaid swims above ground in Raidou instead of becoming a shadow in the ground, which is less cool but it is infinitely sexier because of the sexy swimming animation.

>>530152490
Can confirm, I've spent several hours doing nothing but that.
>go inside
I wish ToT... I want to rub more than just her back.

>>530129160
it might be that it's the same modeling theme

>>530152284
They never never intended to be playable.
>Do they hate fun?
Yes.

Has anybody in this general read both SMTIV: Demonic Gene and Prayers?

where doobil summoner translation

>>530157006
>>530157939
>top 10 pictures taken moments before disaster

>>530157006
I wanna lick his chest until he orgasms from nipple stimulation

Sex with Kei (from the Maken X series)

>>530130949
SMTVV saved SMT and Atlus itself

>>530158535
It didn't even sell a million copies without them lumping it together with base V lmao

>>530158358
mucho basedo tasto

Nocturne but demifiend has a different tattoo design and colour scheme based on which magatama he has ingested

>>530137146
Already out :)

>>530129160
>Raidou and Thor-sama together in the haunt
magnificent, I can almost taste it, will install the mod as soon as I can

>>530134304
Rape her enough and she becomes my wife after being repeatedly mindbroken

>>530158742
But Sega did that, not Atlus. That's what matters here.

>>530166453
Atlus isn't going to fuck you bro, stop simpin'

'ate V
'ate Raidou
'ate Ringo
luv IV
luv SJ
luv DeSu
Simple as

>>530140168
Why can't we get a Heroine like this?

>>530170298
Baste

All it took for /smtg/ to hate Raidou was finding out that he is loved by women
lul

>>530172881
greetings from kazakhstan

>>530140168
We need a slutty heroine who negotiates with demons by domming them

>>530140168
>really wanna play this
>tfw 0 friends who like megaten
>got some friends into TTRPG but there's no way they'd want to learn this

>>530172881
I would say it's more than likely its just one guy and maybe his Discord friends with a pathological hatred for the Raidoufags here. I highly doubt that the 10 other posters that are here even give a shit.

>>530170495
Sorry but heroines have to be muscular and submissive handsome men now for petite and beautiful male protagonists.

>>530176596
Same. Just do as I did and play solo.

>>530176974
I am the hacker known as Discord and you are correct

didn't notice before that mastema is wearing track pants

I love Beth so much bros
Imagine if SMT2 ever gets a remake (lol) and we get to see all the kino designs in high definition 3D. I'd coom on the spot.

I'm very shy and hide behind my wife.

>>530178267
>not playing the slop remake
fucking based

>>530178383
Theres no remake of 2 yet

>>530178383
Raidou 2 is the definitive way to have the Raidou experience.
Also, I love my wife's slutty hotpants.

>>530178519
Thank God.

>>530178267
Cute...

>>530178689
I never noticed she has her cheeks out. Is it different in newer games or have I not been looking hard enough?

>>530178928
I only ever noticed this detail in Raidou 2.

>>530178267
>>530178689
forever mad this design isn't in nocturne

>>530178267
>>530178689
Your wife fucks millions of dudes a night and I won't let you forget it

how long is raidou 1 (original ver)

>>530177601
I wouldn't be shocked if they did a remake and somehow used her as the remake girl, like she survives somehow and comes back or is resurrected and leads you to a new ending (probably some TDE related crossover slop, since the whole killing god thing obviously didn't last).

>>530180375
Leotard Lilim is really adorable, I"m not mad she's the Lilim design in Nocturne but I know how you feel.

>>530180424
Why are you so obsessed with this? Why are you always acting like that? You won't be able to get in the way of our love with your words. My Lili will cast dormina on you and knock you out.

>>530182523
If you're into NTR you should just be honest about it bro

Ronde

>>530184396
Name 1 good thing about Ronde

.

>>530184959
The protagonist

>>530176596
>>530177273
True, much of the game can be randomized, even choice of skills (for PCs) can be rolled for on tables in some cases.
Demons have action patterns for their combat turns too, so it'd work great with an oracle.

Besides that, the system is not super heavy, it just has a ton of data and options. I recommend starting at level 10-15 if you want a good first experience.

Whatever happened to the SMT3 tech demo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPOEnsE-2DA

>>530187664
Wasn't that the one that got stolen and nobody knows where it is or am I thinking of some other obscure software?

SMTVI should go full cyberpunk

>>530190693
You will wander around abandoned desert cities without humanity or technology and you will enjoy it.

>>530187664
The only thing we know is that Miyamoto himself was gifted the prototype around 2004 by Cozy himself.

>>530190693
Like IV but 3D? Could be cool

>>530190693
I want an honest to god X-Com style plot of
>Demons invade earth
>Earth responds with modern tech now slowly being combined with reverse engineered magic aspects
>Law/Chaos hijinks ensue
and have it take place mid-invasion instead of months or years after the fact.
Strange Journey was kino and I want to experience that again.

>>530190693
>with technological and vidya advancements we could have gotten a 3d rendition of Tokyo Millenium in it's full glory, or something similar in sci-fi SMT vibes
>instead we get two games that are a giant desert and IV which is mostly a 2d game though tokyo still looks really sick when roaming around as Flynn

In PS2 Raidou, during fusions the demons walk into the background while turning into silhouettes and merging with it. It looks like they're going somewhere.
The remaster just have them run into an empty background until their models pop out of existence.
You notice the soullessness in details like this.

>>530191723
Everything outside of Tokyo Millenium is a giant desert. If you got a remake, the city would be a top down map and everything else would be traverseable.

>>530190693
lol not after 2077

>>530195197
What does that have to do with SMT?

>>530191621
Main issue of XCOM is that everyone is fodder, which doesn't mesh well with SMT where most MCs are some kind of chosen one.

>>530178383
I find it funny that you couldn't even recognize that it wasn't Raidou 1 while shitting on the remaster.

>>530195827
But that was the best part of Strange Journey. You and your team weren't really special, they were just lucky enough not to get immediately raped like the other ships were and survive the initial attack on your own ship.

>>530196004
nah dude I was just baiting, trust me

We're getting mogged by Digimon, bros

>>530197004
>You and your team weren't really special
Hand-picked elite of humanity.
MC also caught the attention of the 3 wise men and Louisa Ferre when no one else did.
Sure, compared to being a messiah, it's not much but they weren't really "anyone".

>>530198361
lol I bet /vp/ would love this

>>530198361
I legit thought it was yugioh at first.

Every single SMT protag is picked by destiny in some fashion. There is no literal who MC.

BOOM HEADSHOT!

/v/ is talking shit about SH2 again sisters...

>>530204429
You don't need to go to /v/ for that.

>>530204429
I'm surprised anyone even remembers it exists

I want PM Koshimizu to fill my holes

>>530185725
I'm an IV fan and these look like ass.

>>530208865
b- but they're biblically accurate

>>530209147
Archangels and Angels all look human because they were in charge of PR.
The 4 great Archangels are no exception.

>>530198361
cyber sleuth is better than V/VV in every way.

>>530209147
I think they're okay design wise, I just wish someone redrew them to fit into all the other designs in the game

>>530209519
The characters were somehow more retarded and Arata is just diet Dazai.

Updating that SMT Chaos side concert has been claimed on Youtube (by Sega of Japan), is up on bilibili so its not lost media.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Tx411u71h/?uid=425631547834313175373168

>>530216809
Nice

>>530128259 (OP)
Base game Shin Megami Tensei 3’s (no Maniax and TDE) and 4’s depiction of the law and chaos battle is interesting, because essentially Law and Chaos represent the balance between the side of mercy and the side of severity in the Kabbalah. Law is most close to Chesed, which is Jupiter, which explains its blue look and why Thor is one the side of law in SMT 1 - it also fits bang on with Hikawa’s world of stillness. Please note that the qilphothic side of Chesed is Bureaucracy with the type of corruption you see in Tokyo Millennium. Chaos with its red theme is of course associated with Geburah, which is Mars - which is instead a gateway to the qilphoth and is sometimes said to be ruled by Samael sometimes Camael. Its qilphothic side is Cruelty. Now please note that it’s like a rubber band, if you keep invoking Chesed to such an extreme you would get Geburah’s qilphoth of cruelty and vice versa to balance it out. Which speaks to how there always tends to be an overcorrection when there is a rebellion against one side of things turning corrupt. Didn’t the early games have a stack overflow type situation where if you got so chaos you would end up law, and vice versa? Maybe I am misremembering, but it would be very poetic. Both are in fact sides of God’s manifestation within and of the universe that are needed, and they need to work together to create the balance in Tiferet which is Neutral. It’s qilphothic side is egoism, which fits the whole idea of putting man above everything else and believing a problem can be fixed without effort. This fits with the neutral-adjacent reason being a world of the self, with no connection with anyone else. I would say Shin Megami Tensei is about the Tree of life above tiferet (macrocosmic), and persona the Tree of Life from the perspective of below tiferet (microcosmic). TDE also has a sense of irony in it, the main world religions talk about transcending the cycle of death for something permanent

>>530140168
Yay, some sweet, sweet deepest lore to feel superior in knowing in all its obscurity

>>530143841
All hail Suzuki

>>530218398
Not just Buddhism and Hinduism, Jesus emphasis that the elect ‘shall not die’ and if you look into the Gnostic side of things this takes a deep spiritual meaning, especially with stuff like the gospel of Mary and thunder perfect mind. However, in TDE this is presented as something ‘luciferian’ and against the will of God.

>>530219098
Following on this, the ‘lawful’ worlds that follow the will of God are all based on qilphothic corruptions of the Tree of Life taken to extremes

>>530198361
Looks like the persona of an american character

>>530140168
I think the English translators mistranslated the Japanese rendition of the Ordo Templi Orientis as the Eastern Magic Society lmao
>VILE baphomet
A pun Crowley referring to himself as baphomet, and the baphomet of the Gnostic mass (which correlates to something akin to The Son in the Christian trinity but the Gnostic Mass isn’t just referring to how this idea appears in Christianity, the Vau of YHVH, and the world of Yetzirah)
>Mara
Another joke on the whole sex magic thing in the upper grades, calling OTO members sex addicts. Those who are imaginative are sure to be disappointed, the OTO doesn’t allow people into the sex magick degrees anymore and on the rare chance it does happen it’s without the sex.

I find it funny because I am a member, there is actually the OTO in Japan but it’s in Kyoto

>>530211869
Not-Yuzu is a cute though

>>530221238
>including creators of Perfect Zouma,
That’s a reference to a specific ritual, if you know you know

>>530222686
Zouma ballz

>>530223363
Well it includes something about balls, and emptying them inside someone

>>530190693
I'm content with post apocalyptic Tokyo in a desert thank you

>>530224439
>I'm content with most of the core elements of SMT missing

>>530224579
Blame Nocturne.

>>530224579
SMT dropped its core elements for the sake of a new formula back in 2003
Turns out that the overall quality is more important given how much you guys and the rest of the fanbase as well as internet likes Nocturne/VV

>>530224678
It was fine as a one-off game but in typical Atlus fashion, they just had to rehash it

>>530224956
Megami Tensei - demon based game
Megami Tensei 2 - cyberpunk/humanity based game
Shin Megami Tensei - cyberpunk/Humanity based game
Shin Megami Tensei 2 - Cyberpunk/humanity based game
Shin Megami Tensei if - demon based game
Shin Megami Tensei 3 - demon based game
Digital devil saga (not SMT but apocalyptic) - humanity
Shin Megami Tensei strange journey - demon based game
Shin Megami Tensei 4 - humanity
Shin Megami Tensei 4 apoc - humanity
Shin megami Tensei 5 - demon

They alternate

>>530218398
Oh yeah, YHVH being associated with law also fits in with how the pre-abrahamic caanite god was the Jupiter equivalent in the pantheon

>>530218398
I didn't really get any of this despite playing 3, IV and II but I appreciate a smart anon when I see him.

>>530229476
kawaii yukiko

>>530229476
I recommend at least watching one of the introductory videos on the qabbalah’s Tree of Life on YouTube

Maybe like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqKUZ4by0k0

But if you don’t have the time you can watch something far shorter, I feel like it can very clearly show a lot of what the series is going for in terms of law, chaos and neutral

>enters thread
>"smt is dead"
>makes ridiculous claim about old good, new bad
>posts Alice
>makes religious rant he tries to relate to smt
>complains about gays and trannies
>"smt is dead"
>goes to sleep
>rinse and repeat

>>530231675
Based

>>530231675
>complains about gays and trannies
This is valid though. Vfags and Raidou troons are a menace to this general.

>>530229476

>>530231675
well u saw how hard raidou flopped right? SMT died long ago.

How come this general is so obsessed with Raidou flopping anyways, it hasn't even been a month

>>530235552
it hasn't even been a month and everybody already stopped discussion about the game itself. there's like one playthrough post this entire thread... holy flop

>>530235552
Probably because Raidou in the top 5 most popular megaten protagonists and his games are beloved in the JRPG community
Just seems strange that Raidou remaster can't even reach 60k copies after all of those years of praise

I finally platted Raidou Remastered. Despite how easy it was (there's way too much hand-holding and streamlining) and the design and aesthetics downgrade, I think I'd enjoy a Raidou 2 remaster because that game has loads more content than Raidou 1 and the potential for more "additional content" is enticing.

>>530236485
>>530235552
It's $50 for a low effort remaster. I honestly don't think a lot of people even in this general have bought it. There's also a lot things people don't like about it such as the way the new lighting and graphics look, censoring, random dialogue changes, etc. Factor in all those things and It's not surprising people don't really care about it when you can just play the original version.

>>530237131
Okay but
>2Demons

>>530219098
It reminds me of how the fall of Adam was necessary for the Kingdom of Heaven to become a thing

>>530128259 (OP)
What would a persona game with the cast of 3 look like? What would an SMT game with the cast of persona 3 look like?

>>530231675
>makes ridiculous claim about old good, new bad
SMT Imagine trying to argue against this

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>>530238304
what?

>They added a quest where you deliver a Pixie with Agidyne to one of the bug ninja guys from 2. He says he'll put it in a kimono.
Remaster of 2 is almost guaranteed. They can't NOT do it.

Joker: "Ughhh....I can't steal their hearts to reform them..."


Yu: "Dammit, I can't reach out to the truth with these two bastards."

Makoto: "If only I had toast to burn my dread!!!"


Demi-Fiend: "Hahahaha, fools. Did you seriously think that you had chance in defeating me when I rejected god and punched him in the face?!"


Nahobino: "Thanks to the power of Aogami, I will defeating you and finally go back to hang out with my male lover! Murakumo!!!!!"

*All three Persona protags gets defeated as Persona fans gets angry and throw their tables off the ground*


SMT fans: "Muhahahaha...play like real Shin Megami Tensei like Strange Journey or Nocturne next time!"


GAME OVER YEEEEEAHHHHHHHHHH

>>530236718
I feel like 2 had a lot more sleuthing in it whereas in 1 it feels like the mysteries are just thrown in Raidou's face and the bad guys just offer up their entire plans on a plate.

Decided to start playing the entire series (or at least whatever the most recent available versions are) from square 1, at least the ones that are translated.
Gimme names for the hero and his side piece.

>>530241645
Cubix and Dildonix

>>530236496
fans of cult classics not putting their money were their mouth is? that never happens!

>>530241873
Granted.
Is there any outright required stat build to not get fucked or can I just do what I want?

>>530238791
chaosfags

>>530242260
>"""fans"""

>>530224579
>>530224678
>>530224974
Cope

>>530242260
They already played the game for free, having to pay the price of an AAA game for a flawed remaster is not appealing at all.

all me

>>530242260
If you bought the remaster you are not a fan, you are a slop eating pig.

ok avery, it's bedtime for you. stop posting.

>>530245162
point me to the mod that allows OG Raidou to have 2 demons and not play like shit, anon

>>530245162
Shut up. If you're not supporting the series you're not a real fan. The remaster has great quality of life changes compared to the original.

>>530245404
>>530245612
Oink oink

>>530245861
that's what I thought faggot

God, you ruin this general everyday man.

>>530247374
I've been mostly lurking since he's been back. I assure most everyone else is too. At least half the thread is probably him replying to himself every day.

>>530242559
In my very first encounter I tried to talk to a gnome who told me I wasn't shit and proceeded to murder me and my healslut to death.
What an introduction.

>>530247374
This general is trash these days anyway, nothing to talk about but "I hate V" or "I wanna fuck Aogami" or talking and/or complaining about a shitty ugly remaster. It used to be one of the good ones but it's a graveyard now. Not everyone disgusted by the remaster is your schizo friend btw, it's one of the few times I've posted about it.

>>530248678
Your most low effort false flag yet.

>>530249306
Sure bro, keep wondering why Atlus as a whole is going to absolute shit and these threads are 99% worthless now. Soulless remasters with no sense of purpose or art direction are a big part of the decline of video games in general, but that's a broader issue.

>>530249971
nice buzzwords

More Atlus West V merch is coming up in August. They are pixel art magnets by a company that does pop culture IPs.
At the very least it's new art. More importantly though, I wonder if the new bino form here will be called Twilight here when it releases since they will need to name it something. Do you think the fact they picked these characters says something about their popularity though? Yoko got in but Tao didn't. Aogami is already an obvious pick but he also got in over Koshimizu.

>>530248259
>make my way down to floor 5 of the Pyramid
>Roaming bands of 4+ gnomes keep fucking up my team with double hit zan spam and always targeting my squishy backline like the Gnome I recruited owed them macca
>Stolas is thankfully leaving me alone but keeps scamming me out of my fucking macca
gnomes pls go and stay go

I've looked up stat mechanics in SMTVV and my only takeaway is that going beyond Nahobino's level + 10 for the main stat is not very efficient. But I still don't get how agility and luck work. Do I need to level them at all? I'm going to strength (for now), should I just put all my points into strength?

>>530240132
>Makoto: "If only I had toast to burn my dread!!!"

>>530261292
Yes. Concentrate every single point in either strength or magic. There's no point in doing anything else, since the stat points you get for every level are distributed to the others and you'll stumble across random Balms or whatever aplenty.

My first fusion.
We must all contribute to beast cancer awareness.

>>530261292
My experience for the story playthrough (lvl1-99), balms will keep your weak stats in good standing (don't forget the virtual trainer) and with the Demon Haunt giving you some extra stats, you can put about 30-50 points to a side stat (usually Luck) just to help fluff it up while dumping your main damage stat.
>AGL
Buff/debuffs will make sure you land things. If wanting to use low accuracy moves its better to go with team building than sacing your damage for it (Helmsmen demons alongside Kajas/kundas or Critical Aura of Myriad Slashes, very late game phys skill).
>LCK
Actually real for crit/ailment builds and those skills are very real. Your potential will boost your ailment proc chance even on non-ailment skills, Dark Sword for example gets a 1.6x ailment proc chance if you are at +9 phys potential at the end game if you want damage with your Makajama. If there's anything to rightfully complain is that the game won't give you numbers for skills for things like damage or ailments (the fusion calc in the OP does have this information but spoiler warning)
>Damage stat (Magic or Strength)
There is diminishing returns when you hit really high but its still worth going beyond as it helps you are your strongest damage dealer (without going into the meta-ceiling of what you can do in the game, note this ceiling is not mandatory for super bosses you can use more "normal" comps and beat Demi-Fiend).

>>530231675
You forgot to mention him doing the same thing in any smt thread in /v/. Something really triggered him to make him go mental this time. Or maybe it's just summer break.

>>530262997
I think it's just the release of Raidou. Might consider this a chance to "prove" what he's been schizobabbling about the entire time.

>>530262951
>don't forget the virtual trainer
That's just to farm exp and money?
>you can put about 30-50 points to a side stat (usually Luck) just to help fluff it up while dumping your main damage stat
Well then I suppose I'll keep pumping strength while putting a few points in luck for crits.

>>530262908
replying to let you know i am aware of beast cancer now

Here is some gamingu blog;
I've been too tired or busy to continue my Raidou Remaster playthrough on console so now I have an awful itch to play and continue my long streak of fusion autism (compendium demons being cheap does wonders).

On the weekend's night I decided to stream some SMTVV to my best friend. So far I am very early on. I expected it to be more open world-y but it's more like a FFXII style world... except I am not sure if it will have towns or dungeons. I have to reach Bethel now and the plot so far has been very slow and frankly unintriguing, going from 1 to 100 real fast and then just farting out an hours long tutorial prologue... what I tried of IV on Citra was actually far more engaging in terms of story and cutscene direction, same for what I played of SMTIII back in 2020 or w/e. SMTI also had fast pacing but its intro, with Tokyo being slowly more and more invaded by demons, was better made than this despite being a SNES game.
So anyway, due to the story being kinda there and the characters barely giving an impression of themselves (except for Yoko) I enjoyed going around helping demons and getting into fusion autism. The Demon Haunt is also fun. This version of Angel has a stick up his ass... I know he is supposed to be an androgynous being but he looks and sounds like an annoying bishonen who says insane bullshit. I miss Lalah Angel.
I also noticed that a lot of earlygame demons are actually Raidou demons which makes me wonder just *when* Raidou Remaster was planned. Idk when I'll be able to play next but so far it's been fun.

>>530264739
smt1's dream sequence is amazing. possibly the best intro to a megaten game.
giten's is also up there.
if...'s is nice too just for immediately throwing the player into the action. it doesn't waste your time, with the exception of sloth... but that's also easy to speed through on an emulator.

>>530265045
Honestly I think you pointed out perfectly why If... is such a fun game. It goes from 1 to 100 real quick but in a good way. After all, what else is there to do in that school? And for its time, the setting was so out there for an RPG.
Sloth really is its main big flaw and a reason why I'd never play it on real hardware, frankly. Otherwise I really loved If... and I want to return to it so I can play Akira's Route in full this time around.

>>530263964
>just to farm exp/money
When you first complete the consecutive battles on normal mode, you'll get some balms for your troubles alongside some dialogue.
>Luck (tl;dr is yes, but giving some numbers for more precise measurements on your end if you don't want to just do a 2/1 split for STR/LCK or something)
Ailments: You get 1.5x Ailment proc chance if you have 1.5x the opponent's luck so don't be afraid to look at how much luck a boss has to get a ballpark. Can do more than 1.5x opponent's luck for more ailments but diminishing returns here (really useful though to help beat ailment resistance bosses will have if you really want to lean).
Crits: The diminishing returns here is much harder to hit and you will want double glee if you want high crit chance for something like Wrath Tempest (in that region you also get Evergreen Dance and if you want, you can focus on making big damage turns with Magatsuhi Crit or the other Magatsuhi skills).

>>530265509
>Crits: The diminishing returns here is much harder to hit and you will want double glee if you want high crit chance for something like Wrath Tempest
I've looked more into crit formulas and it seems that you need really big difference between your luck and opponent's luck. And I imagine bosses (and especially superbosses) will likely have bloated stats anyway so luck investments won't matter much.

>>530265479
i'm glad to hear you enjoyed if...!
i hope you have fun with akira's route too.
it's definitely tougher though despite the dungeons being less gimmicky.
frankly, i enjoyed the main routes' gimmick dungeons. i wanted to see what weird thing would happen next.
but akira's route is also really cool for how different it feels. it's like if... is 2 games in 1.

I'm pretty stoked for the inevitable rerelease of hazama's chapter even though i know it's essentially just an akira route reskin.

>>530265479
also, i wanted to say it's kinda funny how sloth is known for being terrible but the devs also later worked on other games that have parts similar to sloth.
see giten's yoyogi labor camp. people are forced to dig tunnels underground or else they get whipped. it's promised that if they find a certain object they'll be released. but they don't

you're even forced to partake in it for 3 days of just digging before you can break out.

Do you guys prefer games with a lot of generally smaller dungeons with (mostly) less complex puzzles like 1 2 nocturne or games with a lesser total amount but more generally complex and difficult dungeons like IF or SJ?
I was thinking about the difference in format just now

>>530264739
>IV and SMTI had the best intros
They're the weakest. Mikado is generic fantasy that feels the total opposite of the atmosphere you expect from SMT. The first dungeon is also a dank and boring cave and that's not even getting to the real problem of the horrible ass difficulty curve. Of course the game picks up when you get introduced to Tokyo but to get there is a slog. In SMTI you spend the entire start wandering aimlessly talking to NPCs until something happens. And when something does happen, like getting kidnapped and having to leave the hospital, or your mom dying, you are left to wander around again trying to trigger the next thing until you finally get to Thorman and Gotou's bullshit.
SMTV has an annoying tutorial but in the mix of that throws a lot of plot threads around to follow. What hits people the wrong way is how Aogami's missing memory is resolved so fast and how you just get thrust back into Tokyo like nothing happened. Except that's kind of the point. It's going back from chaos to order and the order of Tokyo is meant to feel boring while running around the demon world is exhilarating. You're meant to feel like the real world is boring because the MC does too.

>>530266720
i like when the dungeons have a strong thematic tie to the game's narrative like if... does.
sj does too but it feels less personal in that game and more generalized.
i can enjoy both easy and hard dungeons.
i just don't like warp mazes or lots of backtracking.
but most megaten games also unfortunately have warp mazes...

smt games usually have the beginning as just you walking around and going about your usual daily activities until something suddenly happens and the whole world changes.
iirc kaneko said something about how cities would change completely at night in an interview.
they'd feel like completely different places.
that's why smt makes a point of showing you how the world currently is. that way it can contrast it later when demons start ripping everyone apart.

>>530266316
Depending on where you're at in the game, I'd take a look at the analyze function to see how boss stats compare to demons around its level. With experience from Godborn, having equal luck or even a good lead helps a lot for ailments/crits (the glees are a multiplier after all, they need a good baseline to really work). Though this is Godborn, incenses can be bought and Atlus didn't really give it that much care (when Nuwa at Minato was still throwing Mazios like I was level 18 instead of a 150 boss, I hard fused a Matador from Minato and started mitama grinding).

>>530204429
The remake was awful, Bloober should be tried at the Hague.

>>530245404
its called raidou 2

>>530266904
>IV and SMTI had the best intros
That's not what I said though.
You're also trying to make SMTI's intro sound like shit when it sets the tone and premise well, especially for a SNES game. Can't speak for more than one hour or so of IV either (like up to the minotaur dungeon) because like I implied I did not play much of it. You also spoiled me that you get thrown back into regular Tokyo in VV which is a bummer, all to tell me that the intro is totally better than the other two I simply said were more intriguing *so far*. Thank you or something.

>>530266713
Yeah, it was definitely made to suck on purpose. A shame it breaks the fast pace of the game so early on, but at the same time it's better to have it early than bs like Raidou 2's firefly grind before the final dungeon.

>>530270152
they did add an easy optIon in the ps1 version that makes it quicker so they must've regretted their decision to some extent.
no other gimmicks get altered in the easy mode.

>>530270015
V/VV's plot is dogshit so don't worry about spoilers

i'd just make the sloth world bigger and make it so you have to dig the tunnel the ring's in yourself.

>>530249971
>>530248678
I agree with you, but the raidou remaster brought back some people who do walk to talk about the games. It also sucks they are going to have more of a gap before a new game with a remaster of 2. Atlus has been stuck in port/remake hell for a while, even when games that should have had the treatment (No SH1 rerelease for modern consoles before SH2, Nothing with SMT4 after VV, nothing with P1/P2, etc). Atlus is a weird company.

>>530272593
It all makes a lot more sense when you realize they don't care for most of the older titles and only want to milk the games that are/could be profitable to them. Raidou was a passion project for Yamai so its sort of an exception but its clear they were hoping it would be a big hit too.
Persona started with 3 for them because that's when it started making them money.

>>530273358
P1 made Atlus money. P2 made Atlus money until the PSP versions.

>>530270015
You're also making assumptions and didn't say how far you actually were. If I were to say what's the best intro in SMT it would be SJ hands down. It sets up the plot, characters and what's at stake immediately in an interesting way and the first dungeon is great.

>>530273541
P1 made Atlus money, P3 made Atlus MONEY.

>>530273796
As someone that loves the game, SJ's intro is a slog. SMT1's is far more engrossing.

>>530273541
wasn't only the first p2 game a good seller?

i recommend anyone who hasn't played giten to at least play through the intro.
the game quickly becomes bs to anyone who doesn't know what they're doing.
but the intro is great.
just go for a magic build.
and play on pc 98 to make things easier.

but honestly.
no mainline smt really has a bad intro imo.
it's the one thing smt consistently nails.
most spin offs have good intros too.

>>530274840
>magic build
by that i mean from the personality quiz.
i don't think it matters much afterwards.

otherwise, at least grind to maybe 15 at the beginning.

still fucks me up that giten is in english before devil summoner

>>530275025
another game with a good intro.
it's morbid how your own parents tell you to fuck off because you have a different body.

last bible special might have the worst intro.
i spent hours rolling for the characters i wanted.
you don't HAVE to do that.
i just wanted a solid starting party.
artstyle still rocks.

lbs is basically a gacha now that i think about it.
the whole game is literally just rng the game

>>530275025
does it doubly kill you that both versions of giten are technically in english over debisama?

>>530275906
Devil Summoner is genuinely a cursed project. I must stress that it was planned to be amongst the first ever Megaten games officially released in English, but the project was scrapped last minute.

>>530276018
how's the translation going anyway? was the playtesting thing real?

>>530276101
I haven't heard of any actual updates since it stalled at 80% or something in Spanish like 2 years ago.

>>530276182
what about the english one?

>>530276216
Lol, lmao even
People were looking forward to the Spanish translation being done because *then* it could be translated into English. There was another attempt at translating it in English spearheaded by CJ Iwakura but it completely fizzled last I saw.

>>530276309
spanish does translate into english better for mtl if that's what you mean.
or do you mean for documentation purposes so hacking debisama in general is easier?
>cj iwakura
oh, well that's why it fizzled then.

>>530276450
>spanish does translate into english better for mtl if that's what you mean.
That's what I mean, plus the coding work would have all been done too. Apparently the main hiccup seems to be demon negotiations.

>>530276541
you know anything about why demon negotiations specifically are hard to hack?
is just because they're so long in that game?

>>530276647
It's only hearsay but I'd say it makes sense. The script floating around for Debisama didn't translate the negotiations so they'd need to done from scratch. There's also the fact that I think it was the PSP version people are trying to hack, but PSP hacking isn't easy.

>>530276802
i wouldn't know but there is at least some documentation for it unlike say, ps1.
i do get that hacking in general is tough.

>>530276876
I just don't think its ever happening.

>>530248678
>talk about the games... b-but not this one!

>>530277392
>posting the soulless version

>>530274974
The "grind to lvl 15-20 in the beginning" thing is completely unnecessary, people only say that because the only guy who documented his playthrough in english was downright horrible at the game. Remember that buffs exist and learn that they are really powerful in this game specifically, that's all.

Giten is a lot better than people give it credit for. I agree with the other anon, the intro is the best in the series for me.

>>530270015
That anon's a retard. You should try more IV after V if you're craving more story and characters, the game does world building better than any of the destroyed desert SMT games. The society in Tokyo, their problems and the way the factions tackle them was really interesting to me.

>>530277216
maybe.
the translation is listed as 100% so the demon negotiation problems would purely be a hacking problem if that is the problem.

it would probably be annoying going through all the hex values and making sure you get every demon conversation.
and then making sure none of your dialogue edits broke the game and added bugs.

>>530277604
i am that other anon (unless you mean the guy who used to shill it here a year or 2 ago).
i was the only one bringing up giten in this thread and i posted about my playthrough yesterday.
the magic build does make things easier especially on pc 98 because that magic blocking spell, mahorogi or whatever it was called, can be used on enemies so you can block dantalion's magic.
15 at the beginning isn't even a huge grind.
with no grinding you'd be like 10-12 at the second dantalion fight which is only annoying because you have to go through a bunch of a dialogue over if you die and get through the dungeon again.
but the actual dungeon part isn't actually that long.
and dantalion can kill you fast if you don't hurry and get your buffs up or cancel his magic.

there was someone who documented his playthrough in english who said he grinded to level 30 to beat dantalion.
i think that's who you're thinking of.

it's not the worst thing ever but it is unforgiving if you're unprepared.
still a great game so far and has an excellent intro.

why do you type like this

>>530278758
me? >>530278283
i break my posts into paragraphs to make them more readable.
am i who you are asking?

hi. so which smt game do i play if i’ve only played persona 3-5 before?

>>530279775
jack bros

>>530279775
3, 4 or VV (not V) are all valid entry points, liked for different reasons.
And because of that, it always lead the fanbase of said games to clash.

>>530279775
TMS

>>530235552
it's one faggot

>>530281445
nice falseflag. multiple people here are unsatisfied with the demake and the laughable sales it produced.

>>530281445
No, it wasn't me.

>>530282867
S in /smtg/ stands for sales, after all.

>>530283101
are you really a smtg poster if you aren't sales fagging any other post

I just started Raidou

>>530279775
Metaphor

>>530283613
Refund now.

>>530235552
A bunch of fags parrot what they saw on twitter and lurkers parrot them in return. One in particular (hmm, I wonder who) is obsessed with reporting sales and holds a years long grudge because some anon salesfagged about Soul Hackers 2 back when it released.
So far only one guy has posted actual critique of the Remake after having tried it.
>>530236496
>Probably because Raidou in the top 5 most popular megaten protagonists
This is due to his design. Very few people, especially in the west, actually played both Raidou games, in part because PS2 Raidou 1's battle system is so boring that sadly not many bothered to play 2 (both at launch and in emulation).
>and his games are beloved in the JRPG community
Lolno, they are a niche within a niche and they still have the reputation of being good but flawed games. Even Raidou 2, which is legitimately a very good game, still has disappointing shortcomings (like how it handles Law alignment and its Law rep).
The only MegaTen games more niche than Raidou are Majin Tensei, Last Bible and then Devil Children.
The series is in a weird spot where Persona and casual MegaTen fans will know who Raidou is and they will love his presence but they don't really care to play his games.

Frankly, Raidou is like the male equivalent of an heroine from a niche JRPG becoming popular due to her design. KOS-MOS from Xenosaga is the first that comes to mind but I'm sure there are/were more characters like this out there. Or you know, Captain Falcon: loved in Smash Bros for his design and meme potential, but not many play the actual F-Zero games.

>>530279775
4 is most like what you are used to, you may prefer 3 or 5 though

>>530279775
DeSu or DDS if the story elements of persona is what you enjoyed the most from it
if you liked the combat and dungeon crawling more, Nocturne and SJ
if the dungeon crawling isn't as important as the combat, VV

I greatly enjoy Metaphor :^)

>>530289342
It's a pretty good game

>>530289342
Me too. Just not as much as SMT VV

>>530279775
Read Tokyo Revelations
https://mangadex.org/title/c5ad95e7-e734-4f69-bd87-8fd5aeb27973/shin-megami-tensei-tokyo-revelation

>>530279775
megami tensei (or kyuuyaku)
megami tensei 2 (or kyuuyaku 2)
megami tensei telenet games
smt 1
>snes for consistent graphics. ps1 for qol. both have an eng patch! gba has bonus story scenes but wrecks the music.
smt 2
>snes for english and consistent graphics. ps1 is buggy and breaks the game iirc. gba has bonus story scenes but wrecks the music.
smt if...
>snes for english and consistent graphics. ps1 for qol
smt nocturne
>ps2's localization is less "memey" but lacks selectable fusion skills that were added in the remaster, which also has framerate issues
smt 4
smt 4 apocalypse
smt 5 (vengeance)
giten megami tensei
>pc 98 has a consistent artstyle and save state support. windows requires dxwnd to display properly.
smt strange journey (or redux)
synchronicity prologue
smt nine
smt imagine
jack bros
soul hackers
soul hackers 2
soul hackers ronde demo disc
devil summoner
raidou
raidou 2
digital devil saga
digital devil saga 2
maken x
maken shao
>shao (ps2) has graphical issues on emulator so certain emulator settings are required. both versions of maken play differently.
demi kids red/black book
demi kids light book
devil survivor
devil survivor 2
last bible
last bible 2
last bible 3
last bible special
last bible g mode games
majin tensei
majin tensei 2
ronde
majin tensei g mode game
persona 1
>ps1's official english release has a funny translation and makes 1 of the 2 story routes inaccessible by normal means. the psp version adds qol but guts the ost and changes songs. there's a psp music patch to restore the music. pc version barely works so it's not recommended.
persona 2 duology
>psp versions are easier and add extra story content. the fuhrur was also censored in the psp version.
persona 3 (fes)
persona 3 reload
persona 4 (golden optional)
persona 5 (royal optional)
persona 5 strikers
persona 5 tactica
persona 1 g mode game
megami ibunroku persona collection
aigis the first mission
persona q
persona q2
persona 4 arena
persona 4 arena ultimax

>>530296201
bruh aint nobody got time to play all that shit fr imma just stick with nocturne and vv

>>530284454
>Raidou 2 law route
I know I played it 10 years ago but I have absolutely no recollection of it.
Meanwhile, I remember the chaos route being loaded.

>>530279775
Why do you want to play SMT? What compels you to start the series?
SMT 1/2 both have that classic occult gothic cyberpunk atmosphere
SMT 3 has a lot of interesting things going on for it, in terms of the story, its atmosphere and visuals. You will enjoy it if you like a more gameplay focus, but I think people hardcore gameplay focused rpg, plenty of world building and conversational NPCs appear in the game more than people remember. Has a quite art-house intellectual vibe, very artsy in its aesthetic. But it is more of a sparse and barren world compared to something like SMT 4 and 1/2, which has human society as a main focus - SMT 3 lacks any human society. You are a Demi-Fiend in a demon filled world.
SMT 4 is closer to a standard story-based JRPG experience, and it has a lot of the staples of the series to get into. The gameplay is easy after a certain point, and you won’t get much of the classic dungeon crawling.
DDS is also like a standard jrpg experience in a different way, more like the ps2 Final Fantasy games or Xenosaga, no demon negotiation.
Strange-Journey - dungeon crawling all the way
SMT 5 extremely gameplay focused, less story than nocturne, but in terms of its gameplay it has a lot that would appear to newcomers. More open-ended in its design, especially in certain parts.
Soul-hackers - more light-hearted shorter experience with a cyberpunk vibe and an interesting world, you may like this especially if you like persona 3
Raidou - plenty of story and world-building, action game

So as most people say, it’s either most probably 3,4 or 5 but for the different reasons listed

>>530296974
>DDS is also like a standard jrpg experience in a different way, more like the ps2 Final Fantasy games or Xenosaga, no demon negotiation.
Oh yeah, it’s a human party based game to clarify. The whole Atma thing may remind you of personas in a way

>>530296974
>people hardcore gameplay rpg
People overstate how much it is a hardcore

>>530296974
>Raidou
Unless you're talking about the remaster or Raidou 2, I wouldn't recommend it to someone trying to get into SMT.
They don't care about meme words like soul, the shitty combat alone will make them flee in terror.

>>530297584
I would recommend it for people who interested in the world it takes place in, the whole historical non-apocalyptic underground demon-summoning thing

>>530297398
I think it is hardcore for someone not used to it. We've all played all of these games and probably a lot of other RPGs. The thing that sets SMT apart is that it's a punishing game, if you don't engage in all of it's mechanics you usually eat shit at some point if not in a random encounters.

>>530298024
You can do the same thing with the remaster or Raidou 2.
And combat is a mandatory part of the game, it doesn't matter if he's interessed in the world and setting, he's going to get filtered all the same by the shitty gameplay.
I would only recommend OG Raidou 1 to someone who's already into SMT.

>>530296974
>The gameplay is easy after a certain point, and you won’t get much of the classic dungeon crawling.
The IV dungeons, while usually short, are really cute and each has it's own banger theme. It's less dungeon crawling than usual but I think they're cool and wouldn't scoff at them

>>530274552
>doesn't like reading

>>530277608
Anon most of that world building was SMT II rehashed shit. The pills, the dual law/chaos society, the Masakado wank. I'm sure you already know all this but it still annoys me that people hype up IV's world building despite that. The stuff that was original like jumping timelines with the reactor is when it gets interesting but it's a mostly wasted plot development. It's treated like a warning (because it is) and Johnathan and Walter ignore that and rush to become radicalized so it feels like a wasted effort. The stuff with the books was also Yamai's idea and I always thought that was really stupid. Just the idea that reading makes you a demon, even if technically it was more broad than just that, was just very dumb. Like to me, it always felt like a "quantity over quality" situation with IV. The first smt to get a lot of background information doesn't make it automatically good.

>>530300575
The whole reading thing makes sense if you read Plato’s Republic

>>530300575
The idea of reading making you a demon is perhaps the most SMT idea in all of IV.

What book should I read if I want to turn into a demon?

>>530304447
The Quran

>>530304447
The Communist Manifesto

>>530284428
Why I’m having fun

Ronde remake two weeks from now

>>530306061
Ronde in Fortnite

THE KIDS WANT THEIR SOCIAL LINKS

>>530291338
not even Quadistu ass and tits could save that piece οf level design

>>530305927
No, anon. You're only allowed to have the correct kind of fun. Your idea of fun is invalid

>>530306565
>t. Lawfag

>>530277392
they removed the grin which made the original

>>530304447
It's really sad

>>530277392
>soulless blank expression
Remasterfags.......

>>530309394
meant to reply to >>530309217
sorry boys just woke up
as for books to read to become a demon, talmud obviously

>>530269892
based retard

Flopdou

>>530304447

I Ching

>>530303797
i read it as being like the forbidden fruit of the garden of eden.

>>530309394
>>530277392
Since Rasputin is a cyborg, how fucking hard did Raidou have to hit him to knock him out like that?
Unless we assume it's the liquid frying him, but such an advanced artificial lifeform crumpling when liquids are applied to his head seems a little counter productive.

>>530304447

The Internet

>>530304447
Rose of Versailles

>a one-off Goblinigger elimination side quest in Metaphor has better dungeon design than 90% of modern SMT

>>530311404
Oh my heckin Nahobino, are those corridors and split paths? Save me Atlus!

>>530304447
Bear: A Novel

>>530311846
El nahobeaner

>>530311404
I mean, are there any actual puzzles or gimmicks of note to interact with in that? Because thats my issue with the da'at areas, I don't like that they think overworld enemies are themselves enough of a mechanic for them to just forgo all the smt classics and not really have any other mechanics at ALL aside from the newly added magatsuhi rails

>>530309217
I'd argue he still has the grin, but it just looks a lot less gleeful than the original and has a bit more of a subtle curl at the corners of his mouth by comparison. For as good as the new models are, some of them are a tiny bit robotic. I wonder if they'll fix that in Raidou 2 Remaster.

>>530240132
Kino

>>530311143
>Yamai why did you make books evil part of the plot?
>You know when humans gained the knowledge of good and evil? It's like that.
>So are you saying humans learning more about the world is a good thing or a bad thing?
>....
>Anyway, here is a guy who read Paradise Lost.

>>530311404
Those dungeons were a tedious chore to do

>>530315210
Jonathan/merkabah just wanted her out of the way so they could have Flynn all to themselves

>>530303797
It feels like someone taking the idea of original sin and dumbing it down. Not even God said he didn't want Adam and Eve to learn anything and stay ignorant. The funniest part is when an NPC tells you one of the books they read was Paradise Lost. In the poem, God wants Adam and Eve to learn about everything, even the entire origin of the world and has angels teach Adam lessons about it. Of all the examples to pick that was the worst of it.

>>530315804
>>530313019
You don't like true SMT.

True SMT is when dungeon with no gimmicks

>>530317713
Yes.

True True Megami Tensei is when hama/mudo ambush

>>530318842
accurate

Lilim and her human bf going on a romantic swan boat ride but it sinks five minutes in as Principality rises from the depths holding a hand drill

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>>530319639
That would endanger the human and Principality (whose domain is literally human welfare) would implode on the spot

>>530319639
that's okay, she got Moth Man at home

Lilim dragging her human bf on shore and having a romantic moment together like in the little mermaid

*remembers that bird idol demon lewd with the furry mothman cock*

>>530320108
Could you post a puck of what Snoko looks like? I never saw it.

>>530310365
He was a non combattant at this point because Raidou and his demons fucked him good in his boss fight.
That bottle on the head was the last straw.
Or at least that's what I'm telling myself at night because it would be an huge oversight otherwise.

>>530310365
Raidou leveled STR

>>530320763
I will when I get back home from work

>>530316091
Favorite Heroine armors?

>>530323945
birthday suit

>>530317485
I mean you can apply that to SMT in general

>New Testamant God
>Man I love humans so much, especially when they falter I love them there too, giving them freedom is the most important thing, I don't want anyone to follow me if it's not by choice <3
>SMT God
>Reeeeeee humans are scum, disgusting creatures giving them free choice was a mistake need to revoke all choice for perfect order and fast! Where's my nuclear missile armed deathstar?!

SMT YHVH is literally just an ascended Demiurge, as evidenced by Strange Jοurney

>>530128259 (OP)
Behold my power!
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▲ ▲

>>530327060
Paradise Lost paints YHVH in the best picture imaginable. So much so even their punishment for sinning was fair, just and kind. If there was ever a bigger propaganda piece for saying God is infallible it's Paradise Lost. So a human reading that and being demonized and condemned for it is just so fucking stupid.

>>530327668
I wish I had his suit.

>>530327668

>Raidou gets Mermaid in his game
>immediately has a new wife
Finally, the straight, big dicked protag she deserves.

>>530328082
The fall of Eden is the knowledge of good AND evil, they were exposed to satan so they had knowledge of evil through reading paradise lost and thus could experience it

>>530328436
>Raidou
>straight, big dicked
lol no

>>530328487
You mean that's why the humans in IV gets demonized reading Paradise Lost because evil in mentioned in it? The poem explains evil but it paints it in the worst light imaginable. William Blake read Paradise Lost and thought Satan was sympathetic but this isn't really how the poem reads at all. Satan is egoistical, is punished and then continues to suffer over and over again. It's like a cautionary tale about committing evil. It teaches you what not to do. I would imagine YHVH would want people to read that poem given it makes him see kind and forgiving even to his enemies when he punishes them.

>>530328596
>I wish Raidou wasn't straight and big dicked
ftfy

>>530328436
Perfect. I love Raidou and I love Mermaid. Art of Raidou with female demons tickles my brain.

>>530328596
Where's the part where he's gay? If you try to cite fanart and/or non-official sources an Oni will come to your house at night and violently wax your pubes.

>>530328436
Cute Mermaid!

>>530329068
play Raidou 2 and read the manga, he'd suck a basketball through a waterhose

>>530329451
>read the manga
Unironically a case of best friend and rival being confused as gay pinning. I know people say that about everything when it's two guys involved even when it's obvious but this is one of those cases where they really had nothing gay going on.

>>530328873
Yes, but the point is that the people of mikado were completely innocent. They didn’t know what evil was, so it would never cross their minds. It doesn’t matter if it paints evil in a negative light, the very knowledge of it for someone who is completely innocent is a gateway to it. Can a monkey do anything evil?

Monkeys can do fuck up things, but they don’t have the self-awareness to consciously commit evil - therefore monkeys are always innocent. As soon you know evil it is a part of you, the more you suppress something within yourself the more violently it comes back

>>530329929
>being this disingenuous
I don't what you gain from trying to prove Raidou isn't fucking gay but I encourage you to give up.

>>530330018
>Can a monkey do anything evil?
Yeah, I would say so. You'd be better off asking about a chicken or a shark.

>>530319639
Principality will pay, I'll defeat as many of them as necessary. Let the Lilim into the human world, let them be happy with human boyfriends!

>>530320554
My heroine.

>>530330341
>I encourage you to give up
Oh anon

>>530330746
>thinks monkeys understand the concept of good and evil

>>530331087
I might be retarded but monkeys certainly torture animals shortly for the sake of enjoyment. That feels evil.
Contrast that with a hamster that eats its baby because it's deformed, that's just instinct, not evil.

Where is Ooyama’s game

>>530330018
And that's another thing bizarre about the world building in IV. The definition of innocent and what is considered evil. Mikado still had a class system that people didn't like and creating inequality is inherently evil among other things. It was more like someone's bizarre definition of evil with unknown rules and if you break them people break out into demons. Honestly, it could have worked if there wasn't this stupid NPC reading about Paradise Lost. It really makes the whole concept fall apart because it implies Yamai doesn't even know what the poem is about.

>>530328436
really pretty art

>>530331476
Monkey have brains that are more developed than that of other animals, thus being curious about interacting with the world around them in more specific ways. Which are often violent, they're violent because of their curiosity leading to that.
They're not fully aware they're being "evil".

>>530328436
this mermaid art is ruined by Flopdou's inclusion

>>530331939
Dolphins also another animal that likes to hurt others for entertainment.

>>530332108
what was that niggas name from Soul Hackers that raped the MCs sister?

>>530332296
Echo.

>>530333000
I meant Ecco, my bad.

>>530328436
>shuvuu having to deal with Alice the homewrecker preying on Raidou was a meme that is well over a decade old
>now this
I don't think we'll get doujin featuring Raidou and Mermaid because she doesn't appeal to lolicon but thinking about it is funny.

>>530329451
>Raidou 2
If a man thinks you're attractive, that makes you the gay one? Retard. Sneaking into a women's bath to ogle at naked chicks is for homos.

>Manga
The gayest one was pic related and it was also strongly implied to be Seimei and that one guy working for him, to the point where its so obvious that Gouto even comments on how freaky it is. Seimei and Raidou were just friends but like the other anon said, two boys with any kind of chemistry at all in a manga is either purposefully done as fujobait and nothing more or simply seen as gay by those who just think its gay. Considering manga at the time and how blatantly horny the mangaka is, I wouldn't be surprised if she was doing it on purpose. Whole manga has a bunch of weirdly sexual-for-no-reason things in it, as was the style for many manga at the time. If anything, I think Raidou is one of those guys who takes friendship seriously since he was likely a pretty lonely kid so all of his allies are precious to him, which is why he was so emotional over what happened. Caring deeply about your friends a homosexual does not make. I know you're baiting and replying is a waste of time but goddamn the mangaka was so unapologetically a gooner I can't help but respect it somehow.

>>530331542
Whoyama

>>530333512

/smtg/ is dead and Flopdou killed it.

Raidou is straight.

Let's build the next SMT game, just post a character and say what their role will be.
This is the main character, a devil summoner.

>>530341529
... straight into the garbage
BRRRRRRRRRR
BRRRRRRRRRR
BRRRRRRRRRR

>>530341808
>Tranny Gear: Stroive

>>530342568
>Stroive
What are you even trying to say here, Avery?

>>530341891
He is heterosexual and will marry his future wife Nagi.

>>530343109
>he doesn't know

>>530343036
I'm not him but I was trying to mix in soi while getting around the wordfilter even though it wouldn't trigger it.

>>530343352
>he doesn't doesn't doesn't know

Who do you think can for the most cocks up their ass: Raidou or 'Bino?

>>530344204
can what
anyway, vkun/beano is for his husband aogami only

>>530344204
Raidou can barely handle two demons at once, but Beano...

/smtg/
shin megami tenGay

>>530344406
>gay shitpost ruined by autocorrect

>>530341808
This one's the next protag and his heroine.

>>530345219
>his

sexo charm moe point

>>530345607
Cover them up, slut.

VV Switch 2 update will have a beach demon haunt and you will clap for the overtly gay beach date between Vkun and Aogami because you will be able to see your other demons do cute and sexy things on the beach including a sunbathing Mermaid.

>>530341808
The best boss in the game

>>530345340
His name is literally Shouta.

Vfags are really poketrannies in disguise.

>>530353924
nothing wrong with a little pokemon once in a while

what does /smtg/ think of otsuki?

>>530355542
True!

WATCH OUT!
THE ENEMY!
*now we can relax*

I fucking hate this game already.

>>530360951
Still less annoying than whatever SMT V decided to do by copying Navi from Ocarina of Time, but make her extremely annoying and tries to catch your attention every couple of steps for a item that you already have

>>530344406
Only slightly related but I love when these fujos take their homemade Aogami and Vkun plush and figures to actual Susano-o enshrined sites. Pic related. Hikawa Shrine is one of many that enshrine Susano-o and Kushinada where you can pray for love. I never thought Yamai would actually get his wish granted of making an SMT game that would encourage people to visit more shrine sites but he did it.

>>530345607
>Raidou isn't homosexu-

>>530360212
kys homo

imagine if SMT VI encourages people to go under gender surgery since the protagonist is a man who's in a girl's body

I just really want to fuck mirai

I want to fuck Mirai

>>530373069
We both want to fuck mirai, and there’s only of her to go around. You know what we must do…

miserable flop

>>530374337
Fuck each other while she watches from the cuck chair?

>>530374437
She has three holes…

>>530374613
and I'm about to stuff one of yours, bucko

>>530374613
technically 4 that you can fuck.
you have to spitroast her if you don't want your dicks to touch.

>>530374354
Raidou?

>>530374939
yeah. it didn't sell very well at all. plus it's a downgrade compared to the original game. sad times for atlus as a whole.

hοw is my mspaint dungeon coming along?
are there enough inbetween frames?

>>530377352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQopOPpCU3o

>>530377352
Faster. Also you need someone in your party to cast Mapper.

>>530262908
With the thanks of this new demon that's really growing on me we've finally managed to push through the roaming gangs of gnomes infesting the 7th and 6th floors and began exploring the rest of the pyramid.
Notable moments and discoveries
>A fairy informed me that a Minotaur is hanging out on the first floor at her coordinates.
>Healslut evolved into Magicslut after finally learning an offensive spell. We were immediately burnt to a crisp when the first spell she cast was reflected off of a group of will o' wisps and right back into our faces.
>We found a Junk shop, most of what they sold was in fact junk that our Magicslut covered regardless but I did buy an item for removing petrification just in case.
>When exploring some rooms we came face to face with fucking TIAMAT, whose encounter went roughly like pic related

>>530327668

>>530379889
It was a complete fucking shitshow disaster of biblical proportions and almost all of my demons died horribly but I've slayed the Minotaur on my first try.
I went in confident since I was stomping everything else with fire magic only to find out that just like those fuckmothering will o' wisps he reflects fire magic and he was also immune to my backup strat of wind magic. fffuck.
The following turns consisted of the Minotaur butchering my demons one by one like the texas chainsaw massacre while I poked him for 6 damage per turn, hiding behind the extremely recent and tanky recruit Cerberus as I did. Because of course it is, his basic attack is also fire aspected, rendering him utterly useless as anything other than a meat shield for this fight. tee hee.
Or so I thought.
Dildonix the magicslut, now depleted on MP, got fucked in twain by the man-bear-bull and I had Cerberus lower his defenses for a turn to cast Recarm since god damn it I need every meat shield I can get. What I didn't know is that Recarm not only resurrects a target at full hp but at full mp as well bringing our heal economy back to working order.
Several stressful turns later I VERY slowly poked the ugly bastard to death.
F̶l̶a̶w̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ Victory.

>>530389023
This is some form of privilege but I can't quite place it.

>>530236496
Going by the famitsu threads it got that number in japan alone during the first week with physical only.

who's that guy who insists smt3 and 5 are different worlds? Is he a bot? He shows up every single time it's mentioned, I've tested at several times of the day and he responds within 10 minutes claiming they're totally different timelines but refuses to elaborate how or why he came to this decision.

>>530389023
>memes Yuriko loves MC and would join him! Lilith hates MC of V!
>Reality there is no ending where Yuriko doesn't betray MC, meanwhile MC gets an ending where he marries his Yuriko, Yoko.

Kissies to Raido

>>530402142
Can Raidou hold me as I spill my grievances about the one I loved?

>>530408367
Raidou would even if he would be awkward and autistic about it, then his advice would be sage (helped by Gouto).
Raido would call you a faggot if you asked him to hold him and you are male but otherwise he would listen seriously and give you his honest and harsh opinion. If you are female though (doubt) he would hold you and then if you are also cute he would ask you out.

>>530389373
can't wait till you get to KMT2 lol, better get used to that daedalus music

>>530398621
yuriko betrayed him because there was a whore getting in between them, it’s understandable

>>530398621
>He didn't play VX
>He believes Yoko is Lilith
Vfags.... Even without VX's meme routes, the GBA's new events show that she had feelings for MC and didn't want to breed with Chaos Hero without being forced by Lucifer. Part of it is she was based on older ideas for a strong female in media while Nu-lilith is based on an SJW.

>>530413159
>based on older ideas for a strong female in media
Barbara Walker is a proto SJW and Kaneko let himself be swayed by her.

>>530413308
yeah...but it's funny

>>530398621
>still pretending Yoko is Lilith
I picked this meme up randomly from Twitter. Genuinely no one thinks this is what the chaos ending was about. Also Yuriko from 1 would absolutely slob on the MC's nob if he didn't turn her down.

Raidou is gay.

>>530418652
Source?

i never noticed that there was a goddess on the nova machine in if...
but it is hard to tell when you start up the game because it goes by so quickly.
guess it kinda fits the player's "reincarnation" into if...'s world too.

>>530421139
Here >>530333512

>King Abbadon soundtrack now on streaming services

Hmmmm...

>>530397597
It might be someone who just visits this general every single day. But it is hilarious to think some anon(Possibly a Vfag) took the time to create a bot to call out this shit whenever it's brought up

>>530398621
Yuriko refused to even attack the Hero unless he kills the Chaos Hero first. She was most definitely in love with him.

>>530434034
Hmmm...let's see how they turn this one soulless too...

>>530438750
It will have a scene where Dahn has gay sex with __(You)

Which SMT songs hit the brown note hardest?

Personde.

>>530441634
grok is this real

>>530352653
Cute Amanozako

dead ass general

>>530456127
I'm busy. I don't have time to post.

>>530456214
you have enough time to reply to my post in 40 seconds though. curious.

Lilim and her human bf taking a pottery class together and when their hands touch and their eyes meet and it starts to get hot and steamy, Principality throws a mound of clay at the back of Lilim’s head

shit megane tensei lol

Recarm

We are slowing becoming /eog/ atlus has ruined all of their series.

It is so over.

teh chadobeano

what would you think about more customization options for demons?
or would you say megaten games are already good in that regard, especially the later ones because you can make pretty much any demon op with customization?

>>530466843
It still looks gay and shit.

>>530467753
I think with the systems as is and the complexity of skills/demon fusions, demon customization's in a good spot. I don't think they need something like items on top of skill inheritance to still be a deep sandbox. Items I feel like, if not done well, would just add extra bloat. Most I can think is they'd be a way to re-implement SMTIV's niche thing of making different demons have different basic attacks, some of them handling with ailments and having that exist as a low/no MP way to bring some utility to the button. As for future games, I just think they need to keep in mind how SMTVV handled skill progression and essences (and incenses/sutras for NG+) and turn knobs on it for how they want the game to be rather than reinvent the wheel.

>>530473064
Jouhei sexo

>>530473064
smtg 2025

I want Aliceschizo back, his spam was better than seeing gayposting all the time

>>530474596
you could always "come back" and pretend to be a lolicon schizo again, faggot

>>530471426
it's impossible to make Nahobino and his tiny face look good

I think I will write smut of asahi so I can materialize the most heinous shit

Lilim anon, please post more fanfics of you and your slutty gf

>>530477047
Nowadays you can just ask AI to write smut for you.

>>530128259 (OP)
Was Suzuki the only confirmed Megaten dev to actually practice magic and the occult? Weird to think that in the 90s ATLUS had staff that actually did the real actual thing

>>530478990
>I got a tarot reading
Is this what you think practicing the occult means?

>>530478990
This is literally /smtg/

>>530479110
I misread it as him doing it himself, but I mean doesn’t he call himself an occultist?

>>530477943
Eh. I tried using ai but I found it to be too bothersome to put prompts down because I have very specific wants and needs and am a taskmaster when it comes to corrections. Too much effort-better to just write my own stuff. Write what you want to read, ya know?

Nice

>>530481210
Suicide bombing through the power of lesbianism

bros I'm trying to enjoy SMT2 after playing SMT1 (PS1) but the UI is making it really hard for me to do so. Terminals and shops aren't marked on the map, only elevators, exits (only after you use them to exit so when you enter a zone the place you entered from is unmarked until you turn around and leave from it) and healing rooms like the Mesian and Gaean vendors. is this just a case of me needing to progress further to upgrade the comp or is this just how the game is? I feel wholly spoiled by SMT1 PS1's UI, the map marked things much more clearly, weapons could be compared in shops and told you how they targeted and how many swings you get and so on.

>>530481854
the snes versions don't have as much qol.
but I'm pretty sure the ps1 version of smt2 is buggy anyway.

>>530481663
P-persona?

>>530484669
Holy fuck

>>530485127
Finally, Abdiel is male again. Well he was male in the IV manga too.

>>530224956
V got a pretty middling reaction though. People enjoyed the game itself, but the story (or lack of it, and lack of humans in general) dragged it down. VV savaged its reputation by moving away from most of the Nocturne wanna-be stuff (in spite of also doubling down in Nocturne references), like going back to having chaos/law human partners and even Lilith as a recurring villain for the first half like in IV. The story also used the living Tokyo and Bethel much more than the original (although it all still cuts off at a certain point and you're back to barebones stuff leading to the finale).

>>530467753
It's currently in a good place imo.
Pokemon has too much bloat and I'm afraid that Digimon is going the same way.

>>530485127
>Another Abdiel
That's four Abdiel's... six if you count V's alternative forms.

>>530471904
>addendum (I'm an idiot)
I think innate skills are a good way to give more to demons without going too far. I just have two main gripes with it in SMTVV.
>1: The Skill Descriptions
Holy fuck is it one of the most unreliable things in this entire game and wrong way too often. Also and this is general SMT, give players numbers. Tell them base rates and base move power, stop with this "medium" damage and "chance of inflicting" because it tells the player nothing. What does "Severe" mean when its actually comparable to a "Medium" damage skill? Welcome to maragibarion vs Agilao (185 vs 160)).
>2: Potential Modularity?
I don't think we need to go to the pokemon path of treating it like abilities where each demon has multiple you roll through but I do think the player should have a way to change it, even if it's a NG+ feature (I do understand wanting to have some hard-locked attributes for demons and I think starting potential/innate skills are a good place to go). At the very least the player should be able to change their innate skill if they'll have one too (it's weird there's no miracle in SMTVV to make essences let you swap your innate skill to open up different team builds).

>>530477047
Nanashi your girlfriend WOOF

>>530477047
I want to tongue her breasts while I tease her by rubbing her inner thigh making her crave more without giving it to her

hey when is this game coming out anyhοw?

>>530497582
You mean Metaphor? Livesunderarock-kun... It was cancelled. Sorry you had to find out like this.

>>530497582
Metaphor is now the second game that has disappointed smt fans

>>530504781
only 2? I was pretty disappointed by Soul Hackers 2, Vanilla SMTV and TMS

>>530504781
The οnly people disappointed about Metaphor are retards who don't know anything about Studio Zero and were never following the development to begin with.

>>530497582
>>530504781
massive coping

who unironically thought it was a good idea to take out all the SMT references and replace them with the coof in Raidou demaster

>>530508809
I still say the covid change is actually a smtv reference. The one part that makes me think it is the most is "uncertainty about the future". That one interview Yamai did about V during early development was about how the game was going to reflect uncertainty about the future in different ways. And later on of course V became their covid game, specifically VV because they added references to covid in it.

>>530508809
Our favorite retard, Kazuyuki Yamai.

>>530466843
Does this mod also change human beano?

>>530466843
>from twinkshit to barashit
truly the worst of all worlds

Was thinking about buying the Raidou remaster, but then I saw how overpriced it was and all the weird issues like the combat being changed for no real reason or the poorly shoved in SMT V references so I just ended up just buying stuff for my GameCube instead lol

>>530513981
>like the combat being changed for no real reason
is the combat of the original game being dogshit not a good reason to change it? I don't like every change they made mechanic wise (I think cooldowns are stinky, the gun sucks and there's no auto repeat function for demons so if you want them to use a specific skill repeatedly you need to command them to do it every time) but overall it's much improved from the original, I'm more mad about the story changes like the Cursed Navy Admiral being changed to a Yatagarasu god and some locations looking like dogshit than the fact that they made the game not a complete snoozefest in combat

>>530513981
>Changed for no real reason
If there's anything that should've been changed it was the gameplay. The main gripes I hear is that gun is of debatable usefulness, maybe the early game being a bit spongey (but this could just be mellowed out via buffs and better eam comps), and from a couple of people it takes a bit to unlock fusion but the game really opens up once you do.

>will be back to being slower than /meta/ in a matter of days at this rate

>>530519086
/smtg/ has never been not slow in euro morning hours.

>>530519086
well, they do have the concert stream soon

>>530467753
I feel like Giten goes a little too far, even if I do like all the other extra crazy stuff it adds, like the bloat of spells/phys skills, gems, COMP skills etc. Since modern megaten can allow you to customize demons as you want, adding equipment onto that messes with the balance and doesn't make a lot of sense. I do want to see another "human" MC that relies on his equipment/COMP to be useful though, like pre-Nocturne and SJ. It would change how people set up their parties and customize demons, rather than the MC being just like the others.
>>530471904
Yeah this is how I feel, SMTVV's system works fine for how it is, it doesn't need items. Though having SMTIV's and a few old game's feature of having some demon-specific attributes + actions makes the game feel more fresh.

>>530508809
they answered to people's concern over how SMT1 and 2 can't be played while references exist in newer releases by deleting the references

Lilim bewildered as the “I LOVE BHBC” (big human bf cock) she put in her shopping cart is unavailable, meanwhile Principality is having it same day delivered to the local homeless shelter

>>530477943
Bugman moment

>>530514424
It really doesn't take that long to unlock fusion, first hour of the game definitely.

>>530526764
Lilith vs Principality was too short lived a meme. Thanks for bringing it back anon.

Lilim and her human bf starting a dating app that exclusively caters to human male/demon female relationships so others can share in the happiness they have but it’s being tanked by 1 star reviews by profiles with names such as “xXLawPrince777Xx”, “PrincipalityThaHedgehog” and “HamaHomie”

>>530537680
>the app summons the demon if it's a match
Imagine an SMT game starting this way and you choose your "starter" demon based on dating preferences.

>>530519086
/meta/ is real??

Dx2 is having a collab with Ushio to Tora

>>530538979
Yeah, there's really no reason for it to have existed this long when it was a flavor of the month JRPG

>>530538427
>>530537680
>humanity goes extinct because humans refuse to fuck anything but demons and no more human babies are born

>>530539184
Someone's upset

>>530539784
Based

>>530539898
No, you and me both know it's not the type of game to warrant a dedicated general for this long. You beat it, you're done, you move on, and there's no other games in the series. It's like /ksg/ but they're been around so long that they kind of deserve to continue existing.

Honestly we did have a lot of metaphor discussion here when the game came out. At least more than half the thread was talking about the plot and some gameplay questions and then it went away. That's because everything that needed to be said was already said and people took gameplay questions to /v/. The general is there because people want to spam post about their husbandos and waifus and make insane schizo theory posts. No one wants to read about that here and /pg/ is a hell hole for somewhat the same reason and doesn't want them.

>>530540494
You can keep saying it if it makes you feel better

>>530541690
But I don't need to feel better. I'm just stating a fact.

>>530539898
>>530541690
I guarantee this is the nigger who bakes /meta/ threads kek

it’s gotta be avery right? the guy loves this type of low effort ragebaiting.

>>530542851
Bringing up meta for no reason or questioning why meta is still up?

>>530540494
The number of times I've seen very tiny variations on this post from this exact person between here and /pg/ is a little pitiful

Don't reply to him

>>530543657
Anon, the last time I checked meta at least 70% was ritual posts and Louis posting.

>>530540494
This post is speaking facts. Not sure why it started a whole argument chain.

>>530548780
It's Avery or some retard from /meta/ starting shit, no other logical explanation

>>530540494
>Honestly we did have a lot of metaphor discussion here when the game came out
No we didn't. Everyone kept discussing VV and only ever brought up Metaphor to shit on it. You should be able to remember the discussion where anons ranted how Metaphor looked like dogshit because of how the trees looked.

>>530548780
>bumping this dead ass thread to seethe about metaphor some more

>>530549301
That was you know who and I ignored that. We had story discussion which you probably missed because most people used spoilers when talking about it.

It's not healthy to blame everything on a boogeyman that hasn't been here for months

>>530539784
This is basically Infernal Tokyο

>>530542851
very his brand of retardation to care about another general's existence and speed to this degree

>>530550396
brother, he was spamming the general like crazy the first few weeks of the remaster. it scared everyone off and now nobody talks about it because he’s just gonna yell “FLOPP FLOPP!”

You just know there's nothing left to talk about when it's just schizoposting. Thanks a lot, SMT V.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yT6avnWhio

I'm a IVbabby and I'm prοud

Flopdou

all him

>>530555574
>TFW people were convinced that Raidou was going to save SMT and the Debisama IP
>It didn't do either and sold less than SH2
kek

>>530555826
actually at least one of those is me because I'm bored at work

>>530553939
And people said V's original combat before VV was too slow. What were they thinking with how long turns are?

>>530558685
What's with this game attracting so much degeneracy, holy shit

>>530539104
This is the first property DX2 has collaborated with that I've legitimately never even heard of

>>530551745
At some point on a slow day I said comparing Raidou and SH2 was stupid and I immediately got like three or four replies as if some kind of gay coalition activates to shit on everyone who does not hate the remaster (including neutral posters).
I'm not gonna pretend Raidou was ever popular but it sure is fucking weird how there's a handful of posters who allied to make the general die whenever spin off releases happen.
>inb4 stop defending le soulless remaster ree xd
Whoever you are, you are holding grudges on an anonymous poster from 2021 or something, I forgot. You are the biggest cuck in this thread for still caring about that instead of spending time doing something for your mental health.

Shut the fuck up, Avery.

>>530560254
Femboys being the hot new internet horny thing since the late 2010 or early 2020s, I guess? Also being more mainstream than other SMT titles and appealing to the fujos and the gays with its themes probably doesn't help. Or maybe it did since the game sold a ton of copies...

>>530550396
Regardless of if its the same guy people keep saying it is or just a different schizo that hates that the Raidoufags got a new game that's decent, its still a problem because it seems nobody wants to reply to the asshole or encourage him to spam the thread by even mentioning the remaster or Raidou since that triggers him like crazy.

>>530558685
Yoko’s husband and father exclusively to her children is so handsome

Just stop being gay already, holy shit

>>530560254
Male characters women like (either as fujos or yumes) are degraded to hell and back by said women.
Shin Megami Tensei

>>530562116
there are no female SMT fans

>>530562810
Middle aged Japanese housewives pulled SMT and Atlus itself out of massive debt

>>530563103
Source? Didn't think so, troon

>>530563103
I pull out of middle aged Japanese housewives

>>530560357
I'll say it again. Comparing Raidou sales with SH2 is perfectly fine when people have posted for months about how "Raidou and Yamai will save the Devil Summoner series from the evil boogeyman known as Ishida." Especially Raidou is a incredibly popular megaten character and Raidou 2 sold very well.
The Raidou remaster should have been a instant success, selling 100-200k worldwide during it's first couple of weeks. But it hasn't all, which is concerning since it's god damn RAIDOU out of all SMT spin-offs.

Shutta the fucka up, Avery

>>530563231

>Video games
>Troon

middle aged Japanese housewives are all secretly trannies

>he's still going
KWAB

>>530565134
>Raidou 2 sold very well.
Maybe in Japan, in the west it sold worse than the first and it didn't even come out in Europe, unlike Persona 4.

>>530568618
He's going to keep making up lies about the sales and create fake controversy over it for as long as people reply to his bait.

>>530568618
It was released in North America.
Still, I don't know where this idea that it sold well in Japan comes from. Raidou 2 sold as much as DDS1 over there according to the only domestic sales numbers published for SMT spinoffs, and nobody knows the expected sales numbers since Atlus never published them. The series staying dead for 14 years (save for that 3DS port of SH1) doesn't sound like it was a success.

Ringo killed Debisama and Flopdou Demastered pissed on it's grave.

>>530481854
If they port SMT 1, 2 and if ever again then speeding up options need to be mandatory

>>530572572
Ringo is innocent

I had a dream about Krishna.

>>530575580
Did he toot?

I NEED THOR-SAMA TO SIT ON MY FACE aaaaaaaAAAA

This is why Raidou Remastered flopped.

>>530586726
True because Thor-sama has no ass in it

>>530586726
If it flopped, it's because it's a remaster of a meh action game from the generation that brought you Devil May Cry.

>>530586916
where's Jack Frost with his Fag Begone spray?

Raidou is gay.

>>530592159
for himself

Raidou is trans.

Yamai ruined everything.

Raidou ruined everything.

>>530590279
I'm not gay nor hetero but a secret third thing...

Is this what the general has become?

>>530596483
Until he leaves

Subtle video game tattoos.

Should I play OG DeSu1 or DeSu Overclocked?

>>530600957
Might as well go for overclocked. It’s streamlined and you get more content in addition to base game. It’s voice acted and you get some neat new boss battles compared to the original so go for it.

And done again on Detective Legend (hardest mode that you have to unlock by finishing the game once).
Lots of HP sponges and the beginning is brutal, with the tutorial boss being able to one shot your demons (and possibly Raidou but I haven't tried) on a crit.
The Tsuchigumo fight just before you unlock fusion will also filter a lot of people if they're not careful.
Once you get pass the beginnings, it's "just" the normal game but with enemies with a lot of HP that hit harder, Raidou will stay a MAG generator for a long time so I don't recommend leveling strength early on but vitality and magic because most attacks, even from random demons, will kill you in 2-3 hits.
Physical attacks from enemies are VERY damaging here, special mention to Asura, who can remove 90% of your HP on a crit even with 40 VIT on a lvl70 Raidou.
You can still use your favorites to the end but you do need to be careful and abuse the fact that their passives can be changed at will outside of combat and you'll have to micromanage them a lot more than if you used end game demons with a lot of resistances.
Devil Mode from the original is still harder btw
Going to sleep now, I'll end here by saying that the feature that allow you to use several versions of the same demon should be present in more games, maybe with restrictions like in DeSu because having 2 Beel or Shiva can easily break the game.
Also I love Mermaid.
Mermaid!

"Around the time I started becoming more interested in romantic things, I also got into fashion. There's a manga artist named Hirohiko Araki, right? In Persona, which I worked on, the characters fight using things like guardian spirits called 'Personas'. Some people have said that this concept is similar to the 'Stands' in Araki-sensei's JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

People also say that Araki-sensei and I have similar design styles, but that’s only because we both like drawing in a realistic style—we’ve never copied from each other.

What we have in common is our love for fashion collections. Since we both like clothing and designer works, that influence naturally shows up in our creations.

For example, in Part 5 of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, there’s a character named Trish (Trish Una), right? There's also a character named Trish in Persona, and the reason is that both were inspired by the model Trish Goff. I once had a talk with Araki-san where we got excited talking about how beautiful Trish Goff is, and it turned out that we had used the same person as a reference for our characters.

And Araki-san loves Western music, doesn’t he? I really love Western music too. When you watch Western music videos, you see all kinds of interesting clothing designs, so I feel like our shared tastes and hobbies come together and influence the things we create."

Kaneko x Araki soon maybe...

full interview
https://www.animatetimes.com/news/details.php?id=1751620079&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

honest opinions on the raidou remaster?
i'm under the impression the gameplay was nicer but the game's script was just half-assed in some places.

>>530609174
it flopped lmao. DEMAKE. complete downgrade compared to the original.

come to think of it, isn't it weird how the script retains mentions of things that were scrubbed when the game was supposed to be entirely retranslated?

>>530609174
The remaster is okay, I guess. It's good that Soulless Army is now widely accessible instead of being stuck on the PS2 and a whole new generation of gamers can play it without forking over hundreds of dollars. Just a shame though that the remaster looks like dogshit and the writing is way worse now.

>>530609174
Not fond of the script changes that essentially remove a lot of SMT1-2 references.
That being said, the script is mostly the same.
Otherwise, both the combat and fusion are MUCH better and the game has a lot more QoL that can make playing the orignal difficult.

>>530609174
i really don't appreciate the new lighting/graphics/ui changes. just from a visual perspective, it disappoints me greatly. it sucked the soul out of the original miserably.

>>530609504
I can't really check but people are saying that those mistakes are also present in japanese.

>>530609174
It's such a minor thing but I hate how the locations for the final dungeon were changed from "1940s", "1980s", "1990s", to "1940", "1980", "1990". Just feels kind of sloppy.
Also unless I'm going crazy I feel like there were small script changes along with the original (besides obvious shit like Goto appearing for the final chapter), I do not remember the "first female Prime Minister" when Raidou touches the 1970s obelisk from the original and unless I'm mistaken and that was in the original it bugs the shit out of me that they made such a minor change when no alteration was needed.

>>530597005
>he

>>530608620
based, I thought the basic hardest difficulty you get wasn't enough. Might go a second run on Detective Legend after I'm done
>>530609174
Despite the script changes it's probably the best way to experience Raidou 1 right now, unless you'd prefer a grayer game over dogawful gameplay. If you can stomach the awful gameplay of the first game then it's probably the more sovlful experience but the remake is solid. Better job than with Nocturne 'HD'

>>530610851
>has

>>530609174
I’d just have guest rooms for my demons and not cram them into tubes

>>530389373
I've made it to Valhalla, which has a small safe zone with no save room or healer rendering it not much more than a pit stop for weapons and armor. I've also poked my head into the City of Bien after recovering an ancestral shield for the gate guard.
From what random friendlies have told me the residents attempted to rebel against one of Lucifer's lieutenants Medusa who turned the entire city to stone for their troubles. However a statue that can counter her was hidden somewhere before everyone got petrified. My next step is to recover that statue, deliver it to some schlub in Daedalus who can tell me how to use it, then hopefully kill medusa and free the city.

>>530631868
Side note
>Look up Cerberus on the smt wiki to see why he only has one head in his depiction when he should have three
>Find out he appeared in the original dds book and was the goodest boy
No wonder he's so beefy for a level 10 demon, he's a canon party member.

>>530609174
much better combat experience even if some mechanics/controls aren't the best. auto lock on is too aggressive, no auto repeat feature for demons makes microing them a pain because you need to do it for every skill use before they revert back to doing whatever they want, gun sucks ass and feels horrible to use on top of taking two buttons, making the command menu be start/+/options instead of a shoulder button in the originals and cooldown based skills as always are a bit of a bummer, I'd rather they have a steep MAG cost.
some of the script changes are bizarre, and some areas look HORRIBLE while others look fine, like Tsukudo-Cho is the worst looking area in the game but Fukugawa-cho looks fine. Dark World locations also have the same problem as P3R with an aggressive color filter. The UI is also a huge step down.

Overall I think the new combat stuff does the make the game much more bearable to play, but it's missing out on loads of tinier details that made the originals pretty stylish presentation wise.

>>530609174
I enjoyed it, it's really nice to have the better combat and QOL features to relieve a lot of the tedium of the original game. It's a bit sad that some of the charm of the original got left behind, but it's really not a big deal. As much as I miss the old gritty custom textures a lot of the demons had and the look of the Dark Realm, it really isn't a deal breaker because the game still looks decent. My biggest nitpicks are probably how low-poly a lot of the non-important NPCs and certain demons are and a few weird script changes (with some errors that slipped through the cracks, oops), but it feels like those were just byproducts of budget/time constraints in the case of the blocky models and the awkwardness of transitioning an old game designed around the original's gameplay to new gameplay and trying to make it suit what's expected from games in modern times. I suspect that this game was made relatively cheaply so if it didn't sell well it would still turn a profit, but hey, I'm just some internet user that's making assumptions so I dunno for sure. Its pretty clear to me that they put their time and effort into the most important parts and were simply forced to leave minor things basically untouched, but it paid off because anything would have been an improvement over the way the original played. The voice acting is also much better than expected and actually sort of helps give some spice to the story, but they also have an option to turn off voices which personally I appreciate a lot because sometimes I find voice acting grating.

tl;dr it isn't GOTY or an absolutely perfect remaster but it's good and worth a shot if you haven't played Raidou yet or didn't like the original for the way it played since that's pretty much been improved immensely. Wait for a sale if you're not in a rush and aren't sure if you're 100% sold on it. Or y'know, set sail for the open seas...

FLOPPERINO GOOD SIR

>>530608620
Which do you think are the best passives in the game?

>>530609174
So far I am enjoying it more than the original in many aspects. I also like the graphics *except* demon models and some backgrounds that looked better pre-rendered.
Honestly the original game was also a cheap budget title so the fact that it gets a cheap budget remaster doesn't bother me. HOWEVER I have not reached the areas with gay ass changes to the script or the references to SMT1-2 being changed with references to 5 but this is a sad truth I have to accept about Raidou being Yamai's games... that man loves his multiverse autism even if I hate it.

>>530600957
Overclocked

if u make out w/ urself does it count as onanism

>>530647576
Raidou and Raido would never....

I was very bored and decided to see how deep the "Japanese players thinks Aogami is the heroine" rabbit hole goes. And not only is it more people than I thought, I found out why so many of them think it. Because of Aogami's amnesia at the start. Many old fags think it's a call back to SMT1 when the heroine reincarnated lost her memories but the one thing she did remember was the MC. Aogami does the same shit where he remembers nothing besides staying beside the MC. At the very least this is a much more logical train of thought. People have been saying this since the original release apparently but I never noticed it until now.

>>530647576
Raidou is homosexual.

>>530618596
Please note that Detective Legend remove a QoL feature:
Spoiler because it was kind of funny:
See how you can immediately restart a battle when you die? That feature is NOT available on Detective Legend, you're actually forced to the title screen and have to load a save from there.
As a side effect, it makes the Endure skills relevant on Raidou, though I still ignored them.
>>530645709
For Raidou? He's the only character who can change his passives whenever he wants and it take effect immediatly, just use whatever you like/is needed.
For demons?
The 4 DLC passives are broken (but not mandatory to clear the game on Detective Legend), they were taken straight from Raidou 2 and implemented as is and they were already broken in that game.
For non-DLC passives:
Magic Boost, this one is also from Raidou 2 but actually got a slight nerf, still a must have since an huge part of the game is about MAG management.
Skill Extension, also from Raidou 2, that one makes War Cry and Tetra/Makara Aura even better by making them last 10 more seconds.
The resistance/halve/boost skills, adapt depending on what you will fight, covering a weakness is not necessary if you know that element won't be used in that fight.
And last but not least, don't underestimate Scavenger and Loose Change, Sword fusion is expensive and you will use a lot of items on Detective Legend.

>>530609174
I think the path they're taking with combat is promising, if a raidou 3 really happens

>>530609504
big parts of the game was outsourced. it's possible they just had the text of the old script and had someone enter them not knowing the context of the game.

>>530631868
I always liked how MT1 let you access later areas early once you get to the floating city, was more fun and let you grind easier. More RPGs should let you try. (if you ignored the level drain enemies)

MT2 and Giten kind of had this, but you'd have a limited area to explore around until you progressed the story/killed a boss. Bit of a step back imo.

Raidou is lesbian.

>>530670628
good morning avery, are you prepared for another day of shitposting?

>>530609174
Half assed in many ways, which is weird since some areas you can see the gave a shit and other 0 shits were given. The 3D models sometimes look good but the camera direction and UI is very bad. I'm personally a little annoyed they didn't do 2 and are constantly adding teasers for 2 in the remaster so you will pay 50 dollars again. I don't know why they didn't release both at once like they did with the EO remasters. Doi's demons clash hard too.

TL:DR Overall combat is better to play but almost every other aspect the game is worse, especially visually. Mainly since they stopped giving a shit and half assed many aspects. I wouldn't recommend it compared to the PS2 version unless they really need the combat improvements.

>>530665683
I lost my save file for K Megami Tensei 1, I can’t be bothered to play to where I was again that game can be a massive pain

>>530671572
Avery wishes he was me

Chaosfags be like

>>530680115
>semen army
must be V:V chaosfags

>A Nekomata wildly appears.
>What do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0GgBcNKK5g

>>530684370
precociously cum on her exposed tongue and run away due to embarrassment

>>530684370
>Put her on team
>Hard training
>Evolve her into Senri
>Superior GILF cat acquired

>>530684370
Headpats and huddle for cuddles?

>>530560165
If I had to guess, the devs made the battle animations first then did everything else later during a time crunch; either didn't get any feedback from playtesters or it was too late to do anything about it.
At least there's an option to turn it off (although that wasn't the case when the demo came out)

>>530686874
sovl

hnnnng

I still think hiroko (MT2 friends girlfriend, not the same named milf from SMT2) being like "I know (friend) is alive! Hes still out there, I know it!" is super sad in an underrated way
Its kinda funny you have the generally happy no strings attached ending, meanwhile your friends GF is just in the pure denial phase of grief

>>530703609
perfect dungeon design

>>530694945
> wearing his hat like krishna in concept art
did the artist know

did you know? SMTV's choir is the same choir sound used in trinity soul. the more you know

>>530704427
If the rumor of MT3 being about the dark hero’s son as the Protag was true, it could be that she was sensing his son’s presence or something. Soft sequel bait before SMT 1 occurred?

>>530709489
Interesting idea, I buy it.

>>530610753
There was indeed nothing like that in the original.

>>530610753
>>530712313
Did Japan actually have their first female PM in the 1970s?

>>530713053
No.

Genuinely think the way they ruined the akarana corridor in remastered can't be overstated
Not just because of the hourglass changes which seem to be whats drawing most peoples focus, but also because of the massive change of basically just ignoring gotou's sacrifice in the satellite this time around and having both the alternate goto and yours as a disembodied voice just bickering and cracking jokes through the whole dungeon
Like what the fuck, the tone is so insanely different now
Actual, honest to god SHIT from an ASS

>>530713669
Then what does it mean? Is it a V connection again because of Amaterasu controlling the country at some point before she died?

>>530713926
I'd imagine it's referencing Thatcher becoming PM in Britain (1979)

>>530714153
Oh they mean globally, not Japan? That's stupid.

>>530713926
You may be onto something. After all they added SMTV demons to the game, why wouldn"t they add vague references to it in Arakana?

>>530714318
It's the only thing I can think of given they changed the 2020s line to reference Covid, which was global (Ridiculous change btw)

>>530713926
Your guess is as good as mine. Did this one get changed too, by the way? I forgot.

>>530714439
The covid line can easily tie into V more than anything because VV added a bunch of covid references like NPC afraid to leave their homes and complaining about overcrowd hospitals. It was due to the demon attacks but you get the reference when they say that shit.

Ridiculous Raidou
Raidouculous

To be honest, I think Atlus doesn't really give a shit about SMT 1 anymore for some reason. They're actively avoiding remastering it or to make it available outside of Japan, perhaps because it's "too racist against westerns" given the whole America vs Japan plot at the beginning of the game. It might as well be the P1 + P2 of SMT, since they removed all mentions of said game for SMT V references.

>>530713673
Modern Atlus can't into serious scenes. They also changed a lot of things about the main villain.

Will Raidou ever be respected again?

Well?

>>530717506
yeah like reconning a female bodysnatcher into a biological woman
feels very wrong and PC

>>530717715
Obviously Aleph.

>>530717715
Aleph

>>530717715
this is a Westerner pretending to be a Japanese girl

is this true

>>530718532
Go back

https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/131885061
Alice bros?

>>530718658
>outing yourself by recognizing where that image is from
You first, retard-kun

>>530718817
Go back

>>530718926
Say it. Say the name.

>>530718727
His dick isn't that big.

>>530718991
9gag

>>530719056
>off model AIslop

>>530719245
Literally not AI you schizoid
https://x.com/EdMonMondo/status/1934828944508743960/photo/1

>>530719347
schizoids =/= schizos

>People forgot about Fukenshi Kati being a woman who sacrificed her womb for the cause in the English release compared to the Japanese where it's a sex change and they were originally male
atlus west does this often when it's directly stated, it's only implied in the original PS2 release, so when new dialogue was added in the remaster they changed it

>>530718727
Very good, but I already fapped to Lavenza.

>>530719347
>tell ChatGPT to draw you a picture of a doll woman
>trace over and color it
>post on Internet for free points
nigga please

>>530720685
me when i'm a superstitious retard

>>530719986
literally WHAT are you talking about schizo

since when are MegaTennists anti-AI???

>>530720685

>>530721883
we already have a megaten thread for dedicated slop loving retards

>>>/pg/

>>530721374
Maken X localization changes in the west vs original. Dub VA is female while subs uses a male voice, along with a different backstory.

>>530720989
>superstitious
The proper term is paranoid, ESL-kun

Now seems as good a time as any to remind you that Japanese players unanimously agree that Aogami is the main heroine of SMTV and VV.
Also some of these are pretty funny. It's worth reading.

>>530723551
too gay, didn't read

Latest demon mod update

>>530716054
Hehe

>>530724946
lmao

>>530724946
>Still no mod that fixes the writing, cutscenes, and dungeons
>Meanwhile the 0283101749202840103830th pointless demon mod gets updated or created

>>530725216
Yeah I'm still waiting for an Aogami sex that doesn't censor what happened in the dorm room that night.

>>530724946
At least the resistances aren't comedy itself, no clue why Hailstorm of God's MP is increased compared to the others though.

>>530725216
To give some credit to the modders those changes are probably stuck behind needing better tools? None of the demon mods for example add in a quest to help make unlocking some of them feel special (also why many of them are fusion accident only if looking at the demon expansion mod).

!

>>530719718
schizoid can be synonymous with schizo, schizo

>>530725216
Do it yourself if it's so easy.

>>530723551
Yep, looks like Aogami won.

>>530728192
what did he winned?

>>530711728
Still pissed there isn’t any good smt fanfics. That would be a neat thing to read

>>530725216
>>530727604
>Nocturne mods can create new battles but cannot add new demons.
>VV Mods can add new demons but cannot create new battles
I hate this

>>530728961
Eternal bussy

>>530717715
reiko

>>530729347
I don't think creating new battles is off the table for VV, given things like rebalance mods and the like.
I think the demon modder needs to collab with some of those gameplay modders in order to make new fights with the new demons.

>>530729687
There is a difference between editing already-existing battles (what I think those mods are doing on VV) and making all new battles.

Main exception I can think of is the demon expansion mod expanding wild encounter variety to make up the increased demon roster (in the Shekinah showcase video you see him fighting Ophanim and Tzitzimitl). Also from what I heard he did edit Demi-Fiend and Satan a bit to be summoning some of the demons added.

>>530723551
>Let's put dicks on all Atlus heroines from now on
Futa for VI

>>530730195
would actually be a good compromise that everyone could be happy with

I like Persona 1. What MegaTen games are the most similar to it?

>>530725216
where's a mod that pumps some fucking soul into the godawful white transparent UI?

Ringo Soul Hackers 2?

>>530732337
Which part of it did you like most? Persona 2 duology would be the obvious answer, or SMT IF...
You should probably play the Persona 2 games since you're on the roll for it

>>530732337
if

Ringo?y

Life, hee...
Life, ho...

Should more SMT heroines be dressed like whores?

>>530733687
Yes, MCs too

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to play SMT more like

>>530733053
>Which part of it did you like most?
The dungeon crawling, the OST, atmosphere, UI, characters... well, pretty much everything besides how EXP is handled.

>Persona 2 duology would be the obvious answer
I'm currently playing IS. I'm not enjoying it. The combat is too slow and the story is too chaotic.

>>530733108
I've heard some bad things about it. Do you know anything about that? I've seen some art of it. Looks really look.

>>530729658
begone, troon

>>530733892
The story gets a bit more coherent later on only to go full pants on head crazy later but i found it to be a fun kinda crazy
The game picks up a bit after the bomb shelter nightmare zone, have fun anon. I personally think Eternal Punishment has a much better cast and story, though.

>>530733892
yeah if sucks, but so does Persona 1 so you might like it

>>530733687
yes
Yes
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>530734161
>I personally think Eternal Punishment has a much better cast and story, though.
That's what I've been hearing. I really hope it's true because it seems like a really cool game.

>>530734221
You mean If? Well, if it's like P1, then I'll probably enjoy it.

>>530734298
It does, granted I stopped playing EP about halfway through, it wasn't because I was bored but because I moved and lost my saves in a HDD related accident. The adult cast is much more fun, though I didn't hate IS's cast maybe besides Jun being a bland faggot, literally. It's very much worth to play through IS first still, in my honest opinion. I remember you could cheese IS with the right personas and fusion attacks but I don't remember how, I know Minotaur was a strong one, probably. Should also always keep their starting Persona for REASONS.
If there's one thing that I didn't like about P2 it was the card/fusion/party member persona system, I couldn't wrap my head around it too well.

I miss warp mazes
I miss status tiles
I miss auto move tiles
I piss pitfall tiles
I miss dark rooms
I miss no comp zones
I miss them...

I miss my wife

I miss Kaneko
I miss Cozy
I miss Ishida (not the imitator Ishida who's there now)

>really wanna play SMT2
>PlayStation release untranslated
>SNES release is fine but I get motion sick and lost trying to dungeoncrawl in it
I didn't have this problem with SJ, but I guess the additional pixels make it work for me. I feel like such a baby for this but I just can't do it, a smaller screen kinda makes it less nauseous for me but then I can't see nor read shit. I tried a bunch of emulator graphical filters to see if it'd ease it for me and that didn't work AND made shit look bad.
Thanks for subscribing to my blog, going to kill myself now

Ugh.... next nintendo direct..... where is it?

>>530736550
after Dong Bazinga launches

>>530736478
i have my own weird visual problems with certain things so i can't judge you.
if i was experienced in hacking ps1 games i'd attempt it but it seems assembly knowledge will likely be needed unless it's one of the ones with a non-compressed script.

>>530734475
nta but you should check out if... if you liked p1.
it's prototype p1 essentially.
and then like the other anon said, play the p2 duology.