High Stakes Edition

>Update 8.0 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/230-patch-notes-8-0

>May community update:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/214-may-community-update

>Roadmap:
https://i.imgur.com/38C5Cg9.jpeg

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general
https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://rentry.org/dudewallsm2g

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks

Previously on the Battle-Barge: >>529671497

Take your least played character and make them one of the random, weird chapters

>>530394779
Old editons' wacky color schemes were hilarious.

>>530394868
most of these are fucking ridiculous if you actually want to replicate them on a miniature

Why aren’t they more popular?

>>530395096
why would they be more popular

>>530395096
Their niche as expendable Gay Knights and psykers are taken over by the Blud Rehvans.

The Gay Knights were only popular initially because the Custodes didn't have range and folks really wanted 4-5 OP dudes who can mog armies.

>>530395413
I feel like they have a cool color scheme and one of the most unique and interesting chapter lores
>>530395538
I hate what modern Custodes have done to the lore

>>>vg/530394415
Exorcists are a niche, because at the end of the day they are doing what Grey Knights have been.
GKs are just more popular, but I saw one Exorcist once in the game I think.

>>530394415
Exorcists are a niche, because at the end of the day they are doing what Grey Knights have been.
GKs are just more popular, but I saw one Exorcist once in the game I think.

>>530394868
>that tiger claws pattern
Man these are something else. I can only imagine putting a pattern like that on a model.

>>530394779
The fucked up the Blood Ravens' symbol.

>>530396068
you're not supposed to freehand these on every marine, you can just use masking tape

>>530396068
are they black with orange stripes or orange with black stripes?

WHERE IS MY POWER AXE?!

>>530399610
>lol, said the draft evader, lmao.

>>530397239
Black with orange claw marks

I genuinely feel like Tac’s new team perk that gives everyone a free grenade every 60 seconds is the most impactful perk in the game

>>530400548
It's incredibly powerful, especially if you find some meltas and kraks, but I think Vanguard's kill still takes the cake. Other classes have different ways to generate equipment, but healing is incredibly sparse.

>>530400548
I find it hilarious how they kept nerfing the the infinite grenades build until people stopped talking about it then added it back under the guise of a team perk

>>530400885
I would argue that it frequently negates situations that would require healing, A.K.A the double Lictors can’t hurt you if they got melta’d. But there’s probably no possible way to measure that.
Also I’m drunk and finishing off the night by watching Zulu after completing two Absolute runs. Great night lads.

>>530399610
You'll have to wait until the tail end of spring in september

>>530399610
2 more years

>>530400548
Wow its almost like as if free grenades on a timer was the most powerful talent for Veteran too! Who could have predicted this?

>>530400548
It is absolutely the most powerful team perk by far. Anything that allows you to ignore resource management, and teamwide at that, is powerful. See unmatched zeal, emperors vengeance, invigorating icon.

So cool bug I just found.
Round 10 invisible, undetectable majoris tyranid that wont let the round end.

>>530412442
It spawned under a bunch of geometry

hard mode siege
lvl 8 bulwark
russian boomer
black templar

KEK get me out of here

when you're waiting for the thunderhawk at the end of inferno and you hear the extremis sound cue
you DO run out of the circle to kill it, don't you anon?

>>530413105
>*checks time*
>have you tried not being a russian yourself?

>>530413313
what for?

>>530413313
I don't wait at the circle. I actively look for em

>Wave 25
I'm gonna say the N word brothers

Terminator armor DLC pack when?

>>530423591
You're playing as characters specifically within the Ultramarine 2nd Company and as such will not have access to anything outside of that ever for any reason due to lore constraints, please understand.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MYYYYYY EYYYYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wave 15 hard right before we were about to complete it
fuck these slavechimp devs omfg

>>530429415
>wave 15 disconnect
That's brutal

>>530428884
No surprise this guy was somehow prestige 4 level 25 but went down in normal siege to fucking termagaunts 3 times before wave 4

>>530423591
>>530425641
Damn it. Just give me some cool armors Saber.

>>530432990
>No surprise this guy was somehow prestige 4 level 25 but went down in normal siege to fucking termagaunts 3 times before wave 4
I know it's cool to shit on randoms but that's fucking bullshit.

>>530423591
they gave the crux terminatus as a pre-order bonus but I never use it because it feels wrong without the armor

>>530433095
That looks worse than the bullshit Saber puts out, please get your eyes checked

>>530433095
thats horrible

>>530433639
Keeping the crux on the right shoulder when they aren't wearing terminator armor is a normal thing for veterans to do. My issue is the giant Ultramarines symbols on it, making it useless for anyone who wants to play a different chapter.

>>530433337
It is not. He literally quit the third time I got him up.
You have no idea how bad it is in OCE.

>>530433095
That looks like a Fallout 4 mod.

>>530434615
>My issue is the giant Ultramarines symbols on it
That's a problem with a lot of cosmetics in this game, wargear specifically. I get the campaign and PvE missions are centered around Smurfs, but if Saber intended players to make their own dudes then at the VERY least for every Blueberry Marine cosmetic piece there should've been a 'blank' variant so that everyone can use them. Crux terminatus looks great on a my space marine but I don't like to mess up chapters' colors with an omega symbol. Same thing goes for Imperial Reavers armor.

>>530433095
Same energy as pic related. Saturnine armors look retarded. Who came up with this?

>>530433095
I'm getting Legion of the Damned vibes. Man, I wish they weren't memory holed by everybody and their grandmother at GW.

I get what you mean btw, but I'm sure any cool ideas they could possibly have at Saber have to vetted by James Workshop committee, meaning we only get shit for Ultramarines for the foreseeable future.

>>530436647
They revived one of the original Terminator concept armours from 35 years ago. Its just a modern take on it and extended to dreadnoughts because terminator armour is supposed to be classified as "Tactical Dreadnought Armour".

>>530437057
When was the last time they even showed up? 2017?

>>530436647
boomers in 1988

>>530438668
>>530436647
>>530433095
SOUL

>>530437057
>I'm sure any cool ideas they could possibly have at Saber have to vetted by James Workshop committee
GW has to approve literally everything. Vermintide devs said GW even had to approve things in the UI

>>530438596
I think the last time they are mentioned in any media whatsoever was in Plague War in 2018, but you're right, an actual appearance might've been in 2017.

>>530394868
idc what anyone says, rogue trader era marines were fucking kino and it's probably when the setting was the most "original" expression of itself

>>530433095
That's rad.

>get to multiplayer after finishing campaign
>dont really care about locked chapter dlc stuff
>mfw a basic beaky is dlc
>wanted to make an old assault marine
>mfw I want to make Malum Caedo too

>>530442629
no laurels on the beakie, so you just look like caedo but he bald

>>530440860
>that bolter grip

>>530443046
the customization in this game is weird, really detailed and good looking but feels limited. Ivanoid work ethic?

>>530440029
If they do approve everything or nearly all aspects of the game, then a question arises what were they smoking when they green lit roadrunner Biovore. It's not a fast assault creature dammit but a support artillery unit.
There's a lot more questionable stuff when it comes to decisions in SM2, but this one stands out a bit.

>>530442629
These slav devs hate their playerbase

Steam forums are starting to become aware of this too

>>530446543
I didnt realize it was slavs until the credits, really wish I knew that before. Rip 30 money units I guess

Games Workshop micromanaging video games made by other developers is the greatest fudd lie ever told

At best they have oversight but the idea that every item and setting in the game needs their constant approval doesn't know how IPs work

The ones making Warhammer games are already aware or are made aware of the setting they're in, no way on Terra that some Games Workshop employee approved of the Primaris Bonded stud helmet

>>530447049
>no way on Terra that some Games Workshop employee approved of the Primaris Bonded stud helmet
This your first day learning about GW?

>>530447049
jimmy space has been more hands off than they were in the past, they did in fact nuke their MMO with their meddling in the past and time is a flat circle so it's bound to happen again

>>530447049
GW gave the go-ahead for the appalling lasguns the Guard use in that DLC for Battlesector, and everyone complained about it and the devs started locking any thread about the lasguns not being beams and saying that they're more accurate being the way they made them. In-game they shoot like Star wars blasters instead of the red beams they are in every other form of media.

>>530447049
There are two possibilities: either GW have their hands in every single decision made or the devs are so inept and out of touch that making any right decision is beyond them.
Both options are equally retarded and chilling when you think about it.

I miss sm1's health regen system, felt more perpetual and really feeling the current system in siege

melee heavy is fucking ass

>>530440029
Mk X Tacticus Helmet with studs disagrees with that notion.

>>530458518
This desu

>>530458552
You’re never supposed to touch your melee button as Heavy except to knock a gaunt down for a funstrike
Even at point blank range in between gunstrikes you can still be shooting
Yes some people like the melee heavy build but I think it’s dumb and doesn’t play to Heavy’s strengths

>>530462009
It's funny to see gaunts flying everywhere after a stomp.

>>530462009
>some people like the melee heavy build
i cannot fathom why and how
>long as fuck animations
>shit damage unless you are hitting 20 enemies
>hits dont even connect half the time
its truly awful, not just in terms of powerlevel. it just feels sluggish and wrong.

>>530463067
yeah, haha
Imagine having fun the year of our lord 2025

>>530458552

I havent had much exposure to primaris stuff as I pulled away from the hobby forever ago, though I had of course seen their designs over the years. but seeing it all up close and in motion, primaris designs are fucking soulless, that dreadnought was gangly and weird.

>>530463889
correct

>>530463889
Can't tell you how many times I've run into the "If you don't like them, you're just a boomer that shouldn't be interacting with 40k" mentality

>>530463889
marines are nearly indistinguishable if you just throw a mk7 or 8 head on them

About that "mega uber customization overhaul" to the customization system Saber talked about sometime ago, I hope that they are taking cues from some of the guys on their forums. By God, these are leaps and bounds better ideas that we got in the base game.
Something like this would be a gargantuan improvement:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/ideas/8019-%E2%96%AAmodular-customization-updated%E2%9C%85-%E2%96%AA
along with heraldry editor:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/ideas/10735-%E2%96%AAupgrade-heraldry-editor%E2%96%AA
They've had all this time prior to the premiere and yet they still failed to deliver a good customization system. We've had to wait months before colorable lenses were added, not to mention dyable cloth. GW or not, in a game where you can create your personal Astartes you should have as much control over most details.

>>530467583
Small development team please understand. Loyalist game please understand. World Eaters don't have snipers, please understand.

>>530467583
I wouldn't get my hopes up

>>530468001
Garage rent ain't helpin' in keepin' those lights on, that's for sure.
>>530468880
Yeah I know. I was just trying to make a point. If one guy can come up with all this instead of a team of people then truly this is grimdark reality of game development (not that SM2 is the only IP with similar issues).

What's the fastest way to level equipment? Playing with green guns is pure fucking torture.

>>530470504
Playing just high enough level missions. If you can get a melee weapon and a pistol to max level, you can use it through a run and then keep the weapon you want to level in your pocket to farm XP. Just make sure it's not too much XP from the mission, there's a bug where if you would level two or more full tiers of weapon at once you get no weapon XP at all (e.g. I've brought my heavy plasma incinerator through two absolute runs and despite this it has no XP at all)

>>530470504
Play the game
No really, just play operations
For green guns I’d probably do ruthless

I know it might be weird, but is there a viable melee build for tactical?

I swear this playerbase is beyond retarded

>>530474614
It's not weird but in this patch he is severely hampered by whats assumed to be bugs. 1)block weapons currently don't apply the 50% parry bonus 2)battlefocus is rumored to not work with some concentrated fire or some such, meaning you're only getting 50% damage (which imo is completely fair because battlefocus was such a overpowered perk).

These buffs stack multiplicatively, so you're able to do some ridiculous number like 8x more damage by pressing 1 (one) button.

To answer your question, just run battle focus with block chainsword. You can also run the 25% damage when auspex is in cool down perk.

>siege mode
>no mortal wound as far as I can tell
>die to death mid-parry
>no dbno state, just dead
im new, what am I missing?

>>530476631
Must have been fighting chaos. Tzeentch loves to cause DCs and game crashes. Instant death is easy for him.

Are they planning to release anything in terms of content during this beautiful spring time period of July-August?

>>530480856
No, just balance adjustments until the end of spring

>punching devourer in the face
>he's literally not moving, just mag dumping me for half hp through armor
how the FUCK does enrage work

>>530482614
Enrage makes them almost immune to stagger.
Do not try and stagger them up close, you wait for them to attack in melee.

>>530467583
When is it coming again?

>>530482614
Shoot them in the head and dodge shots until they decide to melee you

>>530484416
i was playing assault

>>530485913
Shoot them in the head with your pistol and dodge shots until they decide to melee you

>>530467583
>>530483023
Wait this is actually official? I thought it was some fan made mock up

how do you build a tac marine to actually survive anything

>>530487024
Don’t get hit? If you do just spam fire at anything near you to recover your contested health
Tac isn’t really any more or less survivable than most classes

>>530487269
how does shooting recover contested health
is that a perk

>>530487842
When you take damage you’ll see your HP bar turn white and then slowly drain
If you do damage to enemies you can turn that white HP back into regular red HP
Both melee and ranged damage restore HP, as do gunstrikes and executions, but ranged damage restores way more contested HP than melee does, so when you get hit the best thing to do is immediately shoot at anything around you or take an execution
Don’t ask me why, it should be the other way around but it is what it is
No perk required

>>530489414
>Don’t ask me why
Because it's by flat damage, guns have higher DPS than melee attacks.

>>530490168
Melee weapons also only get the damage they do to one target for health recovery. So the benefit of melee doing cleave is meaningless for CHP.

picked sm2 up the other day on sale, banged out the campaign on vet or whatever the second to last hardest difficulty was. Tried some siege, tried some pvp, did an operation. I dunno, I was enjoying the game at first but now it just feels underwhelming, like it's too shallow or lacking something, perhaps it's the prospect of same gear but +1 to stats and slavjank

>>530490168
I didn’t mean that as “I don’t know the mechanics behind why this is”
I meant “I have no idea why these slavs designed it in this counter-intuitive way, melee damage should restore more CHP because it’s inherently higher risk and has longer animations

>>530489414
thx bro

>>530490630
>now it just feels underwhelming
Well you said why, you're not playing it on the balls to the wall difficulties.

>>530487024
Plasma Incinerator build

You will never get mobbed since you deal AoE damage unlike the Stalker Bolter who can only deal with single targets and you have to headshot them
Takes 3 full charged shots to blow up a Majoris, 5 for Extremis; it's less if they're scanned with auspex
2 full charged shots will put a Majoris in red, then you can execute loop ensuring you have invulnerability animations and frames; never use gunstrike executions unless it's Minoris because it's faster and melee executes are like 5 seconds long each
In hard Siege mode you take Fencing so you can parry the 10+ enemies attacking you instead of Block rollslop that eats 80% of your HP for the one chance of an explosion...since you're a Tactical you literally have an AoE explosion perk upon melee executes
Take Steady Supplies as a perk and spam grenades especially Kraks, Shocks and Melta bombs, it'll get nerfed in a future patch because Saber hates their players and they get personally offended when they clear games easily
The only con in this build is that for whatever reason the game doesn't register headshots for this gun for some reason and contrarians will berate you for playing the "easy" build

>>530487024
Full auto bolt carbine and regenerating melta bombs. Makes shit disappear.

>>530412442
>undetectable
No red outline? If they do have a red outline and are outside of bounds they will eventually despawn. Sometimes you can kill them with a melta bomb if they are close enough.

>>530425641
This is why Saber pushed ahead for SM3 by the way (in my headcanon). If Titus has to work with the 1st there is a chance he could don a Termie suit, and by extension multiplayer will have that option opened to them too.

>>530487842
the game is completely busted. even clicking with a regular bolt pistol side arm will restore all your contested hp while attacking in melee does nothing. heavy can just keep shooting even when there are 3 warriors hitting him. the only time i take any permanent damage is when the last guy shoots me but then my teammate executes him and i have nothing to shoot at. its probably because melee contested hp regen on works on the first target hit which is why it sucks.

>>530499682
>If Titus has to work with the 1st there is a chance he could don a Termie suit
I think captains have to be qualified with terminator armor in general, being veterans themselves.

>>530482614
1) it is triggered when there is only 1 majoris left OR if reinforcement call is interrupted
2)they gain increased poise. Only explosives (equipment or active ability) and full stack adrenaline surge can interrupt them
3)they get 50% more damage

It's a terribly designed mechanic specifically because it heals enemies and give them that stupid poise. I don't mind getting random super powered enemies but those are just cheap ways to make them stronger.

>>530487024
Learn to melee.

>>530500024
And he is, unless the Crux cosmetic DLC is just for show. They can always contrive any desperate situation to make it work, especially since Titus is a teacher's golden pet.

>>530500560
Why for multiplayer? None of the characters in that are veterans.

>>530501214
It's a new game, they could be veterans. In operations one class could be a Terminator specifically. If they were feeling nice then all of them are qualified to be termies and you can pick armor type. In PVP the rules could be anything.

>>530436647
It looks so goofy that it loops around to being cool

tactical should have a powerfist
it's pretty fucking standard for even a sgt to have a powerfist even if they use a bolt rifle, going all the way back to rogue trader days

>>530505852
How do you hold and fire a bolt rifle with a power fist on your hand

>>530506291
Most bolters have enough grip space at least on models. I suppose they'd have to knock off availability for the bolt carbines while you have one equiped. Lore wise, all it really takes is not being a retard and energizing your power fist while you're holding your bolter which would be a hilarious fuckup that I could see some newly promoted IG officers pulling

>>530483023
tranny go away

>>530506291
A power fist is still a fist. He can't hold the fore end properly unless it has enough fine motor control, but he can at least brace the rifle against it. The power field isn't active 24/7 you know.

>>530506291
>>530508242
and space marines are literal fucking gods made flesh, you will fire the bolt rifle one handed like an action hero badass

>>530472932
lmao, there is no bug you have to kill something with the weapon in every "stage" to gain xp

>>530506291
assault could just one hand bolters in the first game

>>530509795
it was actually a big point of contention that primaris couldn't do the classic melee in one hand and bolter in the other pose
now you can model your squads like that, was always stupid
but to do this day a box of intercessors comes with 0 melee weapons

>>530463612

>a second PAID season pass
The absolute JEWERY.

>>530513729
I’ve gotten nearly 200 hours of this game, I’ll buy it

Stomping makes no sense. There is no way for the impact shockwave nor flying pebbles to do any meaningful damage to anything. All you're doing is hurting your knees.

>>530514696
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_wave
space marines are very strong, in older editions the darth vader helmet had a function, they would use their vox casters to quite literally yell so loud it blew up peoples eardrums and caused concussions

>>530513729
>>530514465
I've got over 300, I reckon I'd buy it, too. It'd be like, what, 20-30 bucks?

>>530516509
Yeah I don’t mind giving the devs a little extra cash
The game hasn’t been the best it could possibly be, but I’ve gotten more than an hour’s worth of entertainment per $ already, and with the Techmarine and more ops coming I can see myself getting a good amount more.

As much as I criticize saber for their numerous flaws, space marine 2 is a game that I enjoy playing and making content for. There hasn't been a game that I'm so passionate for in a long time. Darktide wasn't it. Helldivers wasn't it. Hell, even elden ring wasn't it, and that game was made by one of my favorite devs. Somehow this simple hack and slash shooter has managed just enough depth for me to have such investment in it, both time and money. I wouldn't mind paying for cosmetics to support them (if I like them enough, naturally). It's a fun game, and a decent one too. Flawed like all games, but always improving.

>>530517690
>Darktide wasn't it
I really want to like Darktide. My biggest issue I think was the very idea of it. From the initial teaser I always thought it was going to be a guardsman survival horror game instead of the L4D clone it was with different classes and stuff.

>>530518456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp44GNRzvCc
This is what I mean, I thought it was going to be dark and moody.

>>530518456
Going with the “rejects!” angle they did was the most retarded fucking move, I fucking hate Swedes

>>530518456
For me it was because I got burned in the first six months. The gameplay is great and all, but people like me who played in the beginning were subjected to some of the most incompetent development cycle. Lack of content, complete disrespect of your time with the garbage crafting system. Poor balancing all around with majority of weapons being bad. Half of the ogryns perks legitimately didn't even work (when the perk tree existed instead of the talent tree). Bullets couldn't go through teammates, poor community moderation (sm2 honestly isn't much better) etc. Also discounting the chaos waste lite mode when was the last time we got a new map?

>>530517690
For me it was because I got burned in the first six months. The gameplay is great and all, but people like me who played in the beginning were subjected to some of the most incompetent development cycle. Lack of content, complete disrespect of your time with the garbage weapon xp system. Poor balancing all around with majority of weapons being bad. Half of the assault perks legitimately didn't even work (when there was no point in jump pack dodging builds). Bullets couldn't go through teammates, poor community moderation (darktide honestly isn't much better) etc. Also discounting the horde mode when was the last time we got a new map?

>>530522747
>some of the most incompetent development cycle
>Lack of content
>complete disrespect of your time
>Poor balancing all around
>majority of weapons being bad
>poor community moderation
That's just what SM2 is currently
Hell, the previous way class talents worked is extremely similar to the old DT way, just horizontal instead of vertical
Darktide being as good as it is now is the main reason I'm still holding out hope for SM2 to also one day get itself out of the shitter. How long did it take DT to get to the update that revamped class talents again?

>>530522747
>>530527408
Reminds me of Mechwarrior Online.

>>530527408
11 months iirc

>>530528610
Unless the 9.0 balance update is more extensive than expected I guess that means DT got back on track faster than this game will

>>530529896
Well we're 10 months in. So far we have:
2 new difficulty levels.
2 new weapons.
3 new operations.
A couple new PVP maps.
Siege Mode.
Prestige levels.
An assload of cosmetics.
No new classes, no new primary weapons. So far I'd rate the first year about 6.5 out of 10. Could be a lot worse, at least they're still putting out content despite it being rather sparse. Am I forgetting anything else?

>>530530810
The new bugs that probably outnumber the bugs that have been fixed

>>530513729
Link?

Are my dudes painted lore accurate? Going for a veteran sergeant look. Blood raven or smurf?

>>530536753
its weird that blood ravens have either golden eagle or a black one on their chest plate, i think the gold looks better

>>530536753
Too much shit on the Blood Raven to be lore accurate

>>530536753
Your Blood Raven has Ultramarines symbols on his chest.

>>530537047
That's because in DoW 1-3 they sported gold aquilas but in their 2019 White Dwarf Primaris debut they were turned into black.

Black aquilas on them are ugly as fuck.

>>530538173
>in DoW 1 [...] they sported gold aquilas [...] but in [...] 2019
I was ready to call you out, but then I started the game and indeed they had gold aquillas in the OG campaign and black ones in death match. I must have misremembered because I played Dark Crusade much more often. But yeah, they absolutely used both colors as early as 2004.

>>530541691
They always had gold aquilas, the only time they wore black is when they're not using a chest piece that doesn't have an aquila. You see this in the DoW2 trailer.

>>530541970
christ how fucking ugly dow3 is.

>>530487024
hyperarmor on perfect block/parry

>>530512797
>pistol in hand for minimal damage

>>530394531 (OP)
//// INCOMING TRANSMISSION ////

>Imperial Administratum has granted access to records of all Astartes operating in Decidious System, CODENAME: ADEPTUS RETARDES
>Dude Wall status: ACTIVE.
>All Astartes present in Decidious System accounted for.
>All First Founding Chapters accounted for.
>All Astartes are to upload a FULL SCREENSHOT of their Dude and post their CHAPTER.

Welcome Brothers! The last few days have been very intense when it came to Dude Wall's development and there is a lot to unpack therefore without much further ado here are the news:
- The following submissions have been added to both versions of the Wall: Dark Angels (DA#13), White Scars (WS#9), Space Wolves (SW#4), Imperial Fists (IF#12), Blood Angels (update to DA#1), Ultramarines (UM#20), Deathwatch (DW#17 [prev. Lamenter #5] replaced Heavy Dude), Black Templars (BT#13);
- New (Successor) Chapters were added, namely: Doom Eagles of Ultramarines and Death Spectres of Raven Guard;
- Missing homebrew Dudes were added to the website version;
- Adeptus Custodes' frames have been updated with a new a number sigil
- The glow effect behind shoulder pad of Silver Skulls has been fixed (website)
- Homebrew Chapters have been updated on the Website; Knights Tenacious have been given their own shoulder pad to maintain visual consistency across all Chapters heraldry (website).

There was more work to be done this time, but I also managed to improve my workflow by orders of magnitude, so new submissions should be, with a bit of luck too, added at a faster pace.
And should you have more /YourDudes/ to post, Brothers, be sure to do so.
I hope you will enjoy this iteration.

Signing off,
Dude Wall Anon

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>**Ultra high quality version of the Dude Wall is available on the website**
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Glory to the Imperium!

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>>530543909
You'd be surprised what you can do with just two feet and one pistol
Sure you get outdone by people playing their class well and to their full potential but you can still carry your weight in any non-hard siege difficulty

New player, any leans or ideas of what cosmetics are coming down the pipe or even chapters?

>>530547005
Leaks*

>>530547005
Everything that was datamined sans the axe is already out. short of the techmarine mention in a few lines of code. But that could be nothing and just left over from early development.

>>530547232
Ah, bunmer. Hopefully they keep supporting sm2 but maybe a year is all ot gets with sm3 in the pipe?

>>530547497
Bummer* reee phoneposting

>>530547005
CSM armor sets exist, but I have a feeling they're going to be locked to the specific class in PVP

>>530547497
Saber tend to support their games long term, for better or worse. Plus, SM3 isn't coming until 2028 and that's if they started working on it right after SM2's launch.
It would be awfully nice if someone there started to pay attention to all the bug tickets flying left and right. Content is crucial, sure, but what good is it if the game constantly messes up mechanics etc.

>>530394868
>Lamenters were the least "wild" color scheme to the point they've never changed
>Are now considered the hardest chapter to paint

>>530467583
There's not a chance in hell this mock-up is happening in Space Marine 2. It's too much of a complete overhaul to the entire system.

>>530548004
>>Are now considered the hardest chapter to paint
*laughs in 25 years painting Goffs*
...

>>530548607

>>530547630
Sabers support for WWZ, if it's anything to go by, is quite reassuring to me.
>>530547842
100%

>>530548787
Listen here kid, when you get to my age painting checkerboard patterns is just a skill you pick up over time from free handing. Not that you joytoy buying gen Z effeminate poofta's would know anything about that. I bet you prime outside or have a bunch of PPE and equipment too. Do you even lick your brush when oil painting? Do you know how many litres of days old paint infused water I have gulped down before I realised it wasn't stale cold coffee? DO YOU EVEN THIN YOUR PAINTS!? Maybe sit down and listen and learn from someone with experience before you show me such disrespect again, boy. That is, if you even have models. I bet you don't even have 5000 points in your main army....embarrassing.

Is there a mod that lets me use the Chaos armour in PvE. Mate of mine is a WE and Khorne fag and wants to play but wants to play as his army in PvE. Not a massive overhaul just something that allows the customisation of it. The Astartes mod looks like a lot of bloat to me.

Dovemo eliminares los nemigos de alta priorità!

>>530552584
hey modfags, i'm mentally preparing to install the twelve-players mod and picrel doesn't make sense to me. shouldn't i make a backup before *installing* the mod instead of removing it?

i also have a vague memory of someone itt mentioning a mod manager that prevents bricking your account but i can't seem to find any info on it, was it my imagination?

hey modfags, i'm mentally preparing to install the twelve-players mod and picrel doesn't make sense to me. shouldn't i make a backup before *installing* the mod instead of removing it?

i also have a vague memory of someone itt mentioning a mod manager that prevents bricking your account but i can't seem to find any info on it, was it my imagination?

>>530553709
They're just saying "Deleting the mod also deletes your save file, so have a backup before you delete the mod"

>>530552584
Fist 'em good, Pedro

My personal head canon colour scheme for Blood Ravens. I prefer the desaturated Baal Red.
Thoughts?

>>530558798
I use Khorne Red, it goes closer to the DOW games.

>>530558798
>>530558941

>>530559035
>>530558798
>>530541970
>>530541691
>>530539393
>>530539154
>>530538173
>>530536753
Saber are turboniggers for ignoring the OG 40k vidya fans with no Blood Ravens DLC.

>>530549998
Their kitbash mod should be what you're looking for

>>530553974
There is a mod manager that can be found on the modders discord iirc. It works as advertised though I don't think it's on nexus.

>>530545115
Loyalist World Eater for the wall
WALL FOR THE WALL GOD
DUDES FOR THE DUDE THRONE

>>530564601
Received.

>>530564601
>gold studs
feels wrong

>>530564601
>Loyalist World Eater
>Using traitor iconography

man you guys weren't exaggerating about assaults, vanguards with 15% melee dmg boost and people leveling up in hard horde mode.

>>530568192
retarded tourists man

>>530564601
Everyone running War Hounds but no loyalist Iron Warriors

I just spent an hour sorting out my armour, weapon loadouts and colour schemes so that first, second, third slot lined up appropriately because I got sick of the jumbled mess I had formed.
1st slot are always my main irl army, BT
2nd is a complete Lamenter Death Company squad - they are all close range weapons even the sniper is just using a carbine
Third are Blood Ravens and the slot is interchangeable that the weapon loadouts are all the unique ones in case I feel like actually using the champion skins or just larping with "gifts".
How the fuck do we not have multiple talent tree loadouts?
I kept swapping out what I thought 'worked' in each slot constantly and just had a jumbled mess. I want to make a Raven Guard Assault for example but without lightning claws I am just not interested.

Anyway, feel free to shit on my autism.

>>530567317
Its pretty close to the pre-heresy world eaters icon anyways. Its not like the heresy kicked off as soon as they changed over from the war hounds.
>>530566064
A lot of their official depictions lean towards gold rather than brass as described, much like the color of blue they use is actually all over the place. If they had a good matching primary brass for veterancy helmets I'd go with brass, but sadly there isn't.

>>530568192
remembers me of the time when i played with my shitter friend who kept eating shit as vanguard and i went
>take out melee mastery for hyperarmor, duelist for conviction, retribution for consecutive execution...
guessing every dogshit talent he took spot on

>>530570671
>hmm yes today i will select black, white and red instead of red, black and white to switch things up
jokes aside your dudes look good. i really do not understand the laurel pauldron if the laurels are covering the chapter heraldry. that looks really ass.

>>530571753
>>530567317
>pre-heresy world eaters mark is still right shoulder only
Get it the fuck together, Saber

>>530572230
>>i really do not understand the laurel pauldron if the laurels are covering the chapter heraldry
My idea is that they are veterans and heroes of a, or multiple successful crusades and are on loan as a liaison to scout the possible need of a new crusade in the sector.
The Lamenters are just a lost squad that popped out of the warp and went mad with the black rage and they are all that is left of the whole company when the UM found them floating aimlessly in space after fighting daemons for 50+ years
Blood Ravens are canon friendly with UM and will deploy without being asked to assist in any theatre of war - they also have a lot of random 'gifts'.
>That is they have so many random weapons from other chapter yadda yadda magpies steal things.

I need to have some head canon to explain playing as a non smurf. Nothing against them - anymore - just don't like them and I think their blue colour scheme is an eyesore.

Anyone want to try and complete a normal siege?

>>530574220
yes, eta 30 min

>>530574220
I would but I am in Aus and the ping would make me a liability.
I literally bought my mate a new CPU and motherboard to finalise his new build so he can finally run the game. Wisht he dumbcunt would stop drinking so he wasnt broke all the time...

>>530574893
He's clearly just strengthening his liver in order to become the ultimate space marine

>>530574220
reporting for duty, brother sergeant.

Caved and got the ravenguard pack for the old beaky.
>>530545115
I present, The Magpies/Magpies. Dont wall me or whatever though, this is a rough first draft with limited options

>>530577271
UGVRY

>>530577308
received.

>>530577412
2/3

>>530577412
I don’t think he’s ugly

>>530574893
come on, bro. it will be fun.
>>530577412

>seige
>hard
yep

>>530578750
join a code then

>>530578750
Ask them what are they doing in that mode.

>>530578867
cant
both consoleniggers

>>530579087
what's the matter? is your headset broken?

>>530579087
That explains it. I shan't recommend using voice chat, but ngl if that happened to me I'd definitely rain vocal fire upon underleveled Tyrone and Jamal messing up my session.

>>530579087
This is why we [Crossplay: Off]

>>530559035
I think the color is a matter of perspective and lighting. Darker and faded reds for more wear and tear. The marine in the editor is also under a spotlight.

should i use the helmet on my white scar sniper?

>>530558798
>>530559035
i always use the dawn of war gold aquilla

Is assault viable in siege or is it a bad pick?

bad anon, no (you).

anyone else failing sieges not because of lack of skill, but because of getting tired?

Who's better on the Carbine, Tac, or Sniper?

>>530537940
That only makes it more lore accurate.

>wave 16
>a majoris got stuck out of bounds and we can't finish the wave
Will I at least some of the rewards if I quit or did I just waste all that time for nothing?

Thoughts? Too busy? God I wish we had better camo cloak options.

>>530589468
The DW pauldron doesn't fit.

>>530589468
If you're taking the Deathwatch pauldron he should be all black save the other shoulder. Also there are only 2 sniper capes that don't look like shit and it's the base one and the one you get for prestige 4.

>>530589721
I have seen several space marines with the DW pauldron but they still have their chapter colors. I cant find any lore about why.

>>530589204
tac deals more damage but carbine really shines with fencing (50% damagebuff and reload on gunstrike) and not going block on tactical seems like a total waste because of the way auspex parry procs.
sniper deals less damage but still enough to rip through everything in nanoseconds after applying the 50% parry debuff. also sniper is nigh invulnerable. i´d say sniper is overall better with it.

>>530589721
It doesn't look good on a yellow marine, but they do absolutely keep the Deathwatch shoulder after going back to their chapter to show they served in it

>>530589968
>50% parry debuff
the what now?

>>530589936
its not lore accurate. also the DW pauldron clipping through the cape is atrocious.

>>530589721
>>530589936
Marines that finish their tour of duty in the DW get to keep the pauldron and can wear it when they return to their chapter and repaint their armor back to their original colors. They use it on the right arm in those case tho, as the left is once again used for their chapter logo.

>>530590061
after you perfect parry a enemy they take 50% more damge for ~2seconds
it used to be that block also applied it but that (very likely unintentionally) changed with 8.0

>>530589936
I'm sorry but the lore is
>deathwatch gear is unlocked at the end of several heraldry "trees"
>therefore putting all deathwatch gear on your marine signifies you have been played long enough to have a lot of spare requisition
it's literal nigger-think

>>530590332
Wow I had no idea. Thanks!

>>530589936
I'm sorry but the lore is
>deathwatch gear is unlocked at the end of several heraldry "trees"
>therefore putting all deathwatch gear on your marine signifies you have been playing long enough to have a lot of spare requisition
it's literal nigger-think

>>530590607
enemies that are debuffed that way have a golden/orange glow, so you can also see when a teammate applies it.

>>530590247
>They use it on the right arm
Kazarion in Angels of Death has it on his left arm still. Waha+ is as cannon as it gets.

>turn crossplay off
>can no longer find matches because every retard has it turned on
lol

IDK I kinda dig it.

>>530591652
>[npc]: i wish i didn't have to play with retards
>[game]: ok
>[npc]: >:(

>>530592004
use imperial fists heraldry instead and you're golden

What would you take here? Versatile Precision is tempting. Basically infinite ammo if i remember to switch to my Inferno Pistol every now and then.

>>530593295
Versatile Precision now to give the Stalker even more ammo regen just by swapping weapons for a second and then Materiel Upgrade to make the infinite grenade perk slightly more broken

>>530592284
Nah I have a sons of the phoenix heavy. Im fisted out.

>>530593295
Infinite ammo for sure. Makes you actually capable of playing hard siege.

>>530592284
>imperial gays

>>530591652
I find matches just fine, and I've never waited more than a minute for my mission to fill if I just pick Inferno and start it right away.

Did you guys know you can go to that table behind the armory and earn some purple stuff for achievements?

which one of you retards is called shekelboy, youre absolute dogshit lmao

>>530597305
ok, that's... better. here's a you. keep working on it.

>>530589439
bump

>>530600052
Are you still in that fucking match almost 2 hours later?

>>530549725
just use tape

>>530600206
No but I'm not sure if I got the xp or cash since I wasn't keeping track before the run.

A FUCKING
YEAR
INTO THE GAME
AND THERE ARE STILL FUCKING SERVER ISSUES
I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THESE FUCKING VODKA MONKEY FUCKING NIGGERS

>>530604081
Small development team please understand

plasma pistol or heavy bolt for assault?

>>530605294
Always heavy bolt with the ammo variant
Plasma is good for stagger but you’ll run out of ammo fast

>>530605294
I use heavy bolter with a plasma pistol for pinpoint, on demand stagger.

>only 35 rounds despite a drum magazine
>fires slower than the carbine
>trash perks
How could they change or buff the auto bolt rifle to make it useful? It feels like the bolt carbine is just a better version of it. I feel like it needs more interesting perks and at least 40-50 rounds in the magazine by default.

>learning the effective weapon range, level layout, conserving ammo, and avoiding hipfiring unless absolutely necessary
>taking the ammo variant
shiggy diggy

>>530605294
I like plasma for the AoE gunstrikes but it really does depend on whether or not you have team mates who can shoot things for you. If you do take plasma, if you don't take bolter.

>>530606397
The ammo variant is almost always more damage than the damage variant.
What's better? 10 shots at 10 damage, or 14 shouts at 9 damage?

>>530606397
>take +100 bullets or go from 10 damage to 10+ damage
>or less recoil, which you'll control just by pulling the reticle down while firing
Easy. The only exception I'd make is the extended range on melta weapons.

>>530606553
10 shots at 10 damage. because the reality is your missing 50% of your 14 shots.

>>530607012
>he misses
Skill issue.

>>530606334
All you have to do to make it decent is to make it the designated combi-bolter. Remove the GL off the BR and move it to the ABR, then slap a Plasma/Melta pistol variant in, then suddenly it actually becomes an interesting weapon

>>530607012
>missing 50%
>50 damage vs 63 damage

>>530608395
That's what the base bolter is for.

>>530608709
If you want the Bolt Rifle to be the combi-bolter, just port the Bolt Rifle's stats over to the ABR. There, now neither of us are happy

>>530608395
Combibolter is basically the regular bolter with the GL

Saber thought it was Horus so they overnerfed it, adding a new one is like starting another Horus Heresy

FUCK OFF RELIQUARY STOP BEING MY QUICK PLAY YOU'RE THE WORST MAP WITH TOO MUCH FUCKING WAITING

Does cream work on this game?

>>530615020
The only good chaos mission is fall of atreus. Vox is ok but only because it is a nidder mission for half of it

I still am not satisfied with the way my Bulwark or Vanguard look.
:)

I'm starting to really like power sword.

>>530618186
>Vox is ok
Vox is awful as a chaos map because aside from the single hallway literally every chaos arena is huge open spaces for them to take pot shots at you. Atreus at least gives you ample line of sight breakers

How SHOULD they make the regular bolt pistol worthwhile?

>>530621304
full auto
no recoil
2x ammo

>>530621304
usable while sprinting

>>530621834
>>530621979
Gunstrikes fire two shots at full effectiveness.

>>530621304
Highest gunstrike damage, like 4x compared to other pistols
double tap perk
headshot bonuses
near unlimited ammo, has a self-replenishing perk

>>530625267
He said worthwhile, not better than every other option

You people have insanely bad ideas when it comes to balance.

List down ONLY the bad ideas about balance.

Not a fan of the Thunder hammer, Power Sword is better

finally got assault prestige 4 and close enough to max level
who next: tac, vanguard, bulwark, or sniper?
Keep in mind i have literally no gun of sniper's leveled up and he's unprestiged

Quartus is a Blade Guard, which makes him a veteran

>>530628670
He literally has the veteran crux when in default ultramarine paint so yes

Sternguard vets are cooler than vanguard vets fite me

>>530627809
And power fist is better than both. Bulwark is good enough that as long as they have their shield they can take any melee weapon. And assault is so bad it doesn't matter which one they take!

>>530627809
>>530631494
I want a claymore sized power sword for two hands and a eviscerator chainsword for two hands. Those would be fucking amazing.

>>530632721
Well it took Darktide, what, 2 and 1/2 years to add a power claymore? So wait like a year and a half more yeah

Is there any actually quick way to level guns up or do i have to accept dropping down 3 difficulties to make my white primary not completely useless?

>>530634993
As long as your sidearm is gold and your melee is gold you shouldn’t have trouble in Ruthless, just don’t use your primary much lol

>>530635702
Does the weapon level off normal XP i thought it was damage dealt to force you to use it.

>>530632721
I want a non-canon Astartes-scale power 1H chainsword.

>>530545115
Posting for wall, also ill have to update my deathwatch tact on #14 soon maybe tomorrow.

>>530637768
>power 1H chainsword
A chainfist?

>>530638061
Don't crop your pics he does it for you.

>>530638147
fuck you fatfuck

Battle line markings go on Tactical, close support on Assault, veteran on bulwark, fire support on heavy, what goes on sniper and vanguard?

>>530638086
That's the problem, it only exists as a terminator fist choice. Why in 10k years did not a single radical techpriest try converting an eviscerator pattern for Astartes hands? It just seems like the right kind of compromise between cost saving and cost-be-damned for such elite soldiers.

>>530638680
sniper is technicially fire support and vanguard is close support or tactical

when are they releasing more operations
i'm so bored

>>530638846
same reason why they dont use chain glaives either, its heretical

A power lance/halberd would be pretty cool after lightning claws

>>530638407
Don't be a sperg.

>>530640070
It's less heretical than hovertanks, hovertanks everywhere

>>530641428
no, like actual heresy, theyre predominantly used by chaos legionaries, same reason why loyalists dont really use chain axes

>>530588471
That is a lack of skill
>t. 36 years old

My favorite is when Valtus just walks around and does nothing
Like I’m literally rollslopping around through a horde of 100 enemies shouting “SAVE ME NIGGERMAN” and the dreadnought just walks through them and past me
Not even firing any of his weapons
even though he has 2 minutes left on his timer

>>530642963
hey man, grandpa is having a moment cut him some slack

Why is the ! still there? Why does every patch make new bugs?

>>530638061
Brother, post a full screenshot of your Dude preview mode.

>>530640794
We'll never get lightning claws if they require two hands occupied.

>>530644224
He's a cunt just ignore him.

>>530643912
Try checking the angels penitent armour pattern if you bought the BA dlc, people have missed it before.

>>530644506
holy shit that was it. it didnt have a ! next to it so I missed it.

>>530644268
I can foresee a single power claw being a variant option under power fist that plays faster and less explodey. The marksman carbine exists so it is good precedent.

>>530646529
>>530644268
Or, hear me out here; they just have it tied to one melee button and the animations work based on combo's like anything else. Make it assault only and jerry rig a sidearm to work with the claws 'equipped' but requiring you to holster it to sue claws in melee outside parry's but still a toggle where you pull it out and put it away.
Its not like outside assault troops and terminators anyone else uses double lightning claws (niche oc donut steel examples can fuck off).

>>530647260
Jerry rig? It should be fairly simple to fix the sidearm you are equipped with when using claws, so they would be underarm bolters of some kind. That does not require holstering or weapon switch. Using a thunder hammer on Bulwark removes the shield right? It is well within their power to do the above.

>>530647260
>>530647676
The problem is all of this requires new animations for everything. Gunstrikes, shooting, reloading, etc. The only reason we're getting the power axe is because it won't interrupt the animations for guns like a perma locked fist weapon on the left hand would.

>>530647938
Oh of course there will be development costs involved with animations. I was speaking more of whether Saber has slavic spaghetti code which could prevent that from happening in the first place. The answer is thankfully no, the way they have set it up is flexible enough to leave it a possibility. It's just still a possibility and wish rather than concrete reality.

>>530467583
I rummaged through that post and man this would be a fantastic system. The only thing missing is a color slider but with James Workshop being the way it is it couldn't be implemented.
I know this modular customization is doable, but I also know Saber and I fear they'd skimp on features. Btw, that idea is upvoted sky high so chances are devs at least see how it should be done.

>spawn into operation mid mission
>game puts me right in front of 2 ravenors and a lichtor
>die before I even have time to blink as they attack me while my game is still loading in

Cool.

>>530648425
I fucking wish we could do that level of autism. My Imp Fist not having green laurels without green metallic icons drives me mad.

>>530648776
No you died because you ran around like a retard and panicked. I watched you try to parry and miss like a down syndrome kid like 4 times.

>>530650460
Why are you acting like this on the internet anon?

>mfw taken the infinitemeltabombpill
i can't believe this game could be that fun. they are going to nerf it next patch, aren't they.

btw do meltabombs stagger other people like frags or am i free to detonate them as soon as i get out of the range?

>>530651397
I don't think they do. Are you using it with the vanguard? That's the most fun I've had in a while. You zip in, drop it, zip out and detonate, immediately get another from the seven kills, and then drop another. You're just a human wrecking ball.

>about to die with geneseed
>bulwark sees this and communicates to me he's gonna pop rally to get my life back on this lone majoris laying around
>lichtor spawns on my head and I dodge the grab
>3rd team mate at full life steals the execution while I'm dodging
>rally gets used

>>530651397
They're not going to nerf the Melta bomb, they're going to nerf the Tactical's perk instead.

They're going to make it 120 seconds.

>>530654038
60 seconds already feels long enough when you're dodge rolling like a mad bastard on waves 10+ and you're waiting for that fucker to pop into your inventory. The furthest I've ever got is wave 16, God forbid the tactical ever get a good perk.

>>530655163
>60 seconds already feels long enough when you're dodge rolling like a mad bastard on waves 10+ and you're waiting for that fucker to pop into your inventory.
Deal with it hohol, we don't like (You) beating our maps blyat.

>>530655831

>>530655163
60s a melta for doing absolutely fucking nothing is completely busted.

Meanwhile in Darkwave land 1 frag grenade per minute ain't shit, getting grenades on a percentage chance from killing majoris gives more.

>>530658387
Don't forget it stacking with e.g. Heavy and Sniper's passive. The two of them are shitting grenades non-stop.

>>530659927
A krak or frag in darktide is not at all comparable to a melta in sm2.
>>530664630
Yeah. Plus they theoretically don't overlap with one another so there is no such thing as wasting a regen.

>>530644268
so just give a dude one regular claw and one wolverine claw that folds back
or just two of wrist claws

I went over some art from DoW 1 and 2 era and decided by BR's were too busy. I feel like the current result is pretty close to 'loreful'. I prefer the darker faded red to show time spent in the field etc.
Only thing I am not sure of is the helm on the vanguard and the helm/cloak on sniper. Might just take the helm off on the sniper and use the prestige 4 cloak or something.

Anyway feel free to critique.

>>530669025
I tried to make my tactical look like the middle guy in the pic.

>>530668638
The way lightning claws look nowadays you wouldn't even need that
They've gone away from the "power fist but with small knives" look and it's one of the primaris redesigns I actually think looks better than old stuff so you can pretty much just have a loadout hold the gun when the claws aren't in use.

>>530669408
Aesthetically i prefer the 'claws for fingers' edward scissor hands type lightning claws over the weapon X wrist/knuckles attachment but i can recognize they're both less practical and a bit more of chaos aesthetic.
The charcharadon chapter master chainfist-lightning claw combi shit is still pretty cool for how dumb it is

play alpha legion

I am fortifying this thread.

>>530680712
You're Alpharius, I'm Alpharius, he's Alpharius, she's Alpharius, they're Alpharius. The only person here that isn't Alpharius is actually Omegon pretending to be Alpharius pretending to be Alpharius pretending to be Omegon

>>530680712
How do you know I'm not already?

tactical heavy bolt rift
relentless pursuit or emperor's vengeance
aligned aim or transhuman physiology

>>530680712
I will kill them instead.

>>530680712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws6wAHMp42Y
>>530681396
Hydra Dominatus

>>530680764
I will hurt them, father.

>>530682895
Trans human physiology is kind of power crept by aligned aim since the latter also increases chp recovery.

>lenses randomly turned back to red
IT'S OVER

>>530689684
got it
what about the other two

I can't believe I have to prestige every class once just so I can have the correct shoulders to cosplay as my oshi Kharn.
How am I supposed to send her an akasupa telling her about how much I love Khorne and that she isn't a betrayer if I can't even have era appropriate shoulders without touching the heathen classes?

what happens when you prestige
what do i lose

>>530695405
It resets your perks but you keep armor and weapon levels

>>530697930
that's not too bad

so is it sword for nids, hammer for marines in siege?

>>530695293
Why do I keep seeing this weaboo ass word
What the fuck is an oshi

Can't wait for the Salamander's pack to cannibalize these totally loyalist geneseed boys for their cosmetics to use on my Word Bearers.

>>530707801
I'm pretty sure it recently gained popularity as a word for someone's favorite vtuber
e.g. "mori is the best, she's my oshi"

>>530707801
something something vtumors

have primaris fallen to chaos in lore yet? or are the authors waiting for the actual kit to be released?

>>530695293
>he can't use every class to turn the game into a melee gorefest
Fake fan detected
Don't call Kharn your kamioshi until you've learned melee properly with EVERY class

>>530711783
Arks of Omen had "an entire fleet fall", but it was off screen and it's the only confirmed instance of Primaris converting

Imperial Fist successors cosmetics in patch 9.

>>530712426
did you ask AI to generate this image? what the fuck is that blur

>>530711783
Primaris chaos would be so dumb

>>530712551
screenshot of a webp
im sorry

New Helmet leak.

>>530712674
WIth Phobos also leaked sometime ago (for a supposed PROS event) this begs the question how many of helmets are they holding off on us.

>>530712674

>>530712426
nta, but here's a better quality pic

>>530712426
Errr...I dont see anything about Black Templars...
>Where the fuck is my Black Templar surcoats?
>Where is my Hospitaller cross pattern for helms?
>Where THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE MY BLACK TEMPLAR THEMED PURITY SEALS!??!?!?!?

>>530713827
Forgot to add in a Champion Skin for Black Templars. Though that might be getting a separate release from the main IF Chapter Pack.

>>530714015
He's going to be a Bulwark skin

>>530714092
FUCKING UNIQUE!??!?!?
Fuck I hate this shit. All the custom flavour of armour and gear is fucking locked for arbitrary bullshit reasons.

>>530714270
Well, Saber went on record and said that moving forward they will be splitting all Champion skins into individual wargear.
So my guess is we will get a 'default' skin and all it's pieces to combine as we see fit.

>>530714142
Great. Just wonderful....
>WHERE ARE MY PURITY SEALS SABER!?
>WHY CANT I PAINT A WHITE HOSPITALLER CROSS ON MY HELMET SABER!??!?
>WHERE ARE THE SWORD BRETHREN THEMED COATS AND HOODS SABER!?!?
>WHERE ARE MY BLACK TEMPLAR PATTERN WEAPONS SABER!?!?
>WTF DO YOU MEAN WE GET ONE CHAMPION SKIN!?
> FOR FUCKING BULWARK!?
>WHERE THE FUCK IS OUR TWO HANDED BLACK SWORD OF THE EMPEROR FOR THE EMPEROR'S CHAMPION SABER!!!!?????!!?!?!??
>YOU KNOW THE FUCKING WHOLE THEME OF BEING MINI SIGISMUNDS - THE FACTION, SABER!?!!?!?!?
>ITS NOT A GENERIC POWER SWORD YOU FUCKWITS!
>ITS A FUCKING RELIC OF THE DaoT!!!!!!!! SABER!!!!?!!?!?!?
>HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO ADD A CHAMPION OF THE BLACK TEMPLARS AND NOT THE FUCKING EMPEROR'S CHAMPION WEAPON THEY ARE KNOWN FOR??????
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>530715240
>WHERE ARE MY PURITY SEALS SABER!?
are there even non-ultramarine purity seals in the game?

>>530715548
Some of them don't have the toilet seat symbol on them. Still not the same as a giant Hospitaller cross I want on them...

ive decided that the effort required for hard mode siege is not worth it for the shitty stud retard helmet.

>>530715240
you will get ultramarine purity seals and like it.

>>530716381
You will wear the pimple helmet and you will be happy

so what's with that guy who was supposed to be organising a 12 player game? did he lose interest or move to discord or what?

>>530716470
he will not because he doesn't have patience to switch lobbies until he gets two other players with builds meta enough to get past wave 10.

>>530713827
no retributors?

>>530716689
all dead or transferred to deathwatch.

>>530716485
Still here, got caught up on some work. I'll post another poll to iron out the hours in a bit. As for the particular day, so far most people voted for Saturday.

>>530716689
>Described on Pederson's Patreon page as relentless, efficient, and distant, the Retributors are known for their stern and austere nature and are more interested in battlefield victories than glory.
You could say they are
NIGGARDLY OF PRAISE

>>530715240
Did you see the BA cosmetics and expect anything of the caliber of cross-shaped purity seals in the Imperial Fists chapter pack? Especially when BT are one chapter in the game that had their own modelled cosmetics in the base game? You'd be lucky to get even one of your wishlist items in a dedicated cosmetics pack for BT, let alone in a chapter pack for a different chapter.

>>530717128
ngl, i would like to be included in one final screenshot with anons before i stop playing the game

>>530715240
Now I hope they add literally none of that ever just to spite you

>>530719627
Its not news to anyone you are a miserable cunt, anon. Thanks for sharing though...

>beer: cold
>gear: purple
>heraldry: lamenter
it's prestiging time

>>530713827
soul drinkers bros...

>>530726047
nice hawk lord.

When my blood angel brothers are complaining about lackluster chapter customization

>get shot by an extended volley of an enraged devourer
>100 to 0, no second wind, just straight up 300 sec timer
what the fuck is this shit

>>530726047
>soul drinkers bros
Are basically non canon at this point. Sad but true. There is less about you guys in lore than the Legion of the Damned.

>>530728563
There's enough to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're not Fists successors.
My money is on the Thousand Sons brotherhood that Dorn assigned to Cthonia during the Heresy, who repainted their armor yellow and showcased all the same genetic quirks that the Soul Drinkers did.

>>530728094
Hey next time you should dodge that

>>530732832
yeah my bad i thought i can trade

>matchmake for siege
>person joins
>ports to armouring hall for 20 years
>just standing there with the other guy in the loading zone
why the fuck do people wait until joining lobbies to go to the armoury?

>>530735236
they just finished an operation and one of the guys left right before you joined. The host doesn't want to play another round, so he pretends to afk in the armory so that other people can disconnect at their own leasure, to avoid double loading screens.

did steam just shit itself? I got disconnected mid match with surprisingly competent people, then sm2 refused to start because it couldn't sync data or something, now steam asks me for my password again and refuses to log in

>>530736393
tuesdays and thursdays, only a silly man goes into a steam dependent online game at these times
hdg used to be full of screeching about it every time like clockwork kek

>>530733443
No trading with those things
Best you can do is instantly interrupt them, if they are low enough health to be put into incapacitation or you're sitting on 2 adrenaline surge stacks

>>530736393
>>530736549
in saying that, it's usually back by now so something fell over, or they're clearing out the shekels from the printer with the sales having ended today

>>530736925
the issue is, i didn't have a mortal wound and got right on the respawn timer without a chance for the other guy to pick me up

>>530737886
Thaaaaat's not supposed to happen
I think another anon reported a similar situation happening in another game some days ago
Could it be? A new bug? In MY space marine 2?

>>530728563
But they had a new book a few years ago...

>>530738317
wasn't this originaly an ultramarine pic? is GW really so lazy it recolors existing images, slaps another chapter logo and calls it a day?

>>530738559
They recolored and reused the famous ultramarine black & white pic where they all are standing during a ceremony like 10 times, so probably.

Do enemies get more HP from ruthless to absolute?

>>530711783
Yes but it needed Khorne himself to use his warp/magic powers. Didn't matter much since they all killed one another with only the Gay Knights, Custodes and Sisters of Silence barely surviving and fucking off.

Cawl mused at a 'loyalty' gene, mishmashed from genetic stock from loyalists from traitor legions but was unstable and was talked out of it by Cawl Inferior.

>>530714015
They need to sell S2 so Black Templars will carry that

No one will buy S2 pack if its just Imperial Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands; literally the useless shits who have no fans

I unironically believe they'll add the Blood Ravens too and some kind of questionable Founding chapters like Space Sharks and Minotaurs

>>530713827
>sons of the phoenix
gonna be hilarious

>>530745498
Biggest Imperial Fists fan here, go fuck yourself

>>530745724
I don't know about him, but I'm sorry you have terrible taste anon.

>>530745853
Despite your objectively bad opinions, we thankfully have plenty of Brothers here to man the Dude Wall against any and all comers

Show me your White Scars anons.

>>530747369
Oh hey, that's me in the lower left.

>>530748241
Man, painting those company markings on multiple marines consistently must be a bitch.

>>530748715
not at all, i'm too tired to look into the pile of shame and make a photo, but there is a (horus heresy?) decal sheet with all basic lighting shapes in red and white

>>530748715
Don't worry, no one plays White Scars on the tabletop

>chapter is yellow or white
No one is playing them, people would rather play unpainted or just go full Ultramarines

Same reason with Blood Angels, red is hard to fuck up

>>530752256
>no one plays White Scars on the tabletop
One guy did

we lost

>>530753670
>assault
Gee I wonder why.

>>530753670
live fast and eat ass brother

>>530755162
maybe i played bad maybe i didnt

>>530756819
Hmm, what recovered your health at 0:09?

>>530757006
a single charge plasma shot.
before this we had a carnifex in tunnel and i decide to target the ranged warriors. lethal sucks now. feels like its balances for heavy plasma

>>530757425
Weird, I didn't see any plasma flash.

>>530757601
i think because the tyrants hitbox was so close and i blocked an attack, but if you look at the charge up on the crosshairs it lines up

>>530757903
Perhaps. But yeah, what doomed you and was really bad decision was gun striking during the wave attack, that pretty much costed you the fight. I always focus on dodging that and ignore everything else.

>>530758303
gunstrike should be a separate button from left click

>>530756819
A single parry with a fencing weapon at 42 would have provided a gunstrike that would have restored all of that missing health.

>>530757425
>lethal
Bruh…

>>530760708
i meant absolute where terminus have super hp and spawn extremis. lethal sounds more hard than absolute

>game crashed on wave 16

Imagine playing Sons of the Phoenix. You're automagically cosplaying as Chaos by default.

>>530763315
Sons of the Phoenix are confirmed to be legitimate sons of Dorn by the creator himself. The color is a coincidence.
If you want traitor stock being used to (re)found loyalist chapters ostensibly from the lineage of the Imperial Fists, then the Spul Drinkers are your jam.

>>530473061
What if I'm trying to level multiple whites at the same time to legendary?
Because I havent touched
>stalker bolt
>bolt sniper
>Las fusil
>bolt carbine
>power sword
And have only one level in
>instigator
>auto rifle
>melta gun
>multi-melta
>nade launcher
And dont want to spend two dozen hours limping through prestige just to get them up to speed

>>530771795
That’s up to you, go as high as you think you can without being hard carried. I run whites in Ruthless as long as I have purple/gold melee, but I won’t touch Absolute, which is what I usually play, without all gold weapons, especially if I just prestige’d and am perkless

Incubi Darkness > Caliban Green
For Dark Angels for sure

>>530769184
>Sons of the Castellan
>Sons of the Eternal Soldier
>Sons of the Bulwark
>Sons of the Dorm
Nyo, it has to be Sons of the Purple Phoenix!

>>530772707
>Sons of the Dorm
Astartes kegstands, Astartes breaking into the Sororitas sorority rooms, Astartes going on drunken rampages, Astartes going on alcohol-fueled hazing binges

>>530774687
The mass of dead kids from initiation is the hazing ritual.
Also you forgot passing around Space Hustlers for a combat jack.

>>530772434
A lot of the colors feel one shade off and I really don't think its just the lighting

>>530714092
Awesome news. I sure hope they will have added dual-hand swords by then. I can only imagine the havoc. And you could absolutely use it to deflect attacks, perhaps at the cost of your attack speed.

Anime spergs who think dual-wielding swords looks cool should just stop posting
Almost no one in history ever used two swords at once for a reason bar wacko outliers like Musashi Miyamoto, it was retarded then and it’s retarded now

>>530394531 (OP)
Talk to me about the Bulwark. Is it as OP defensively as it looks?

Cuz it looks like shielding + the right perks lets you just hold shield, hardblock anything that isnt a red circle, reflect ranged damage to clear the trash around you and never take knock back.

And I gotta say that with a power sword sounds amazingly fun.

Two handed melee should have faster attacks and can parry most if not all orange attacks but your ranged weapon requires time to be unholstered, that includes pistols. Classes with no primary weapon act as if they are switching weapons when pulling out their pistol. This extends to gunstrikes as well, slowing it down and leaving you vulnerable for longer. On the other hand you will sometimes see them twirl the pistol before putting it back on their hip.

>>530785461
Reflecting ranged damage is a meme and bugged half the time
Intimidating Aura is one of the most busted perks in the game and Bulwark shits out damage with it
Power sword is good, just focus on spamming power rake and power whirl and never use light stance
It’s not really “OP” defensively but it does have good sustain with the heal banner, but honestly since the heal banner nerf that doubled the cooldown if you take it, I find it a lot more useful to just use regular banners more often
Most players in absolute are solid enough to not need heal banner anymore, it was more of a necessary crutch when Lethal/Absolute had just launched

>>530785882
But staggerless blocking anything not red and just nullifying the damage is a thing? If I get cornered I can literally turtle up and just tank anything that isnt unblockable?

>>530785774
Why should they be able to parry orange attacks
That would break the intended mechanic where you have to wait to see if the Lictor has an orange or a blue circle instead of just braindead pressing one button
Matter of fact who the fuck still parries? I thought we were all block users here

>>530786045
>using Block
Yeah if you're playing Ruthless and Lethal where there aren't a lot of enemies

Absolute having more spawns and Hard siege mode are where endgame players are at and they're all running Fencing

>>530785957
orange attacks are so common you will still need to stay mobile and keep enemies in front of you

>>530785957
… why would you want to sit in a corner just blocking stuff? That’s useless, sitting there blocking does nothing, you want to always be attacking and only stopping to parry for a gunstrike or perfect block for adrenaline surge
Please don’t tell me you’re one of those guys who went shield Ogryn in Darktide and sat there in a corner being fucking useless going “I’M TOOOOONKING”

>>530786118
I play Absolutes only and myself and almost every non-shitter I see runs block, lmao hard mode siege is the only mode with enough enemies to actually warrant crunching on fencing
All the fencing shitters are struggling down on ruthless

>>530786161
I just picked the game up and finished rhe campaign so im trying to soak as much info as possible.

Is there anything on how threat mechanics work for majoris+ enemies or do they operate off of RNG for who they go after? What little ive done for operations i dont see any rhyme or reason to it.

>>530786045
>block
yeah no. when I'm up against a massive horde in siege I don't like to just roll around but I actually want to be able to parry incoming attacks.

>>530786184
More of an "oh fuck im surrounded and there's no help ok I can buy a few seconds with a shield" kind of question.

[Spoiler]I never played Darktide.[/spoiler]

>>530786306
>siege
My bad, I thought we’d all already got the pimple helmet and moved back to operations already

You can tell the block loser hasn't played a recent game post-siege update that he thinks he's a hotshot for using block against pre-siege mode spawns.

Lmao what a retard, everyone is spamming grenades and melta bombs now that block is literally useless.

>>530786045
The timing of oranges could be tighter so that someone expecting a 2H sword to carry them through every attack without effort will fail. The implied question from this suggestion is what to do for the block variant of this weapon. Will it have a longer block window? Gets a full charge from a single block instead of two? No stagger?

>>530786494
Reddit’s that way if you still use fencing bud, they’re the only ones still fellating the game’s built-in easy mode

>>530786742
Im still completely in the dark on fencing vs block beyond what the in game info provides and based on how hot a topic it is that seems woefully inaccurate. Anywhere I can read a good analysis on them?

People ITT that still play Siege mode, genuine question
Why?
The game just turns into rollslop past wave 15/20, and the XP/rewards are dogshit compared to operations. Which means the only reason to keep playing it would be for fun, but that circles around to my previous point about it just being rollslop. If you even manage to get up to wave 40 the enemies glitch out and just start T-posing and attacking with no animations because the engine can’t handle that much

>>530786298
>muh "only shitters use fencing" strawman
>imma learn every combo down to a milisecond, that'll show 'em!
Good for you, but only once you've mastered balanced heavy on absolute can you begin to have any bragging rights. Otherwise don't @ me bro.
Also, you better check out block after this patch because you have no idea it's a lot worse compared to previous patch.

>>530786840
https://youtu.be/tZZHlrCj0SI?si=z3kq4_38LOah2JWr
This anon made a pretty solid breakdown on how block weapons work
Fencing is literally just
>see blue circle
>press parry anytime from this month to next month
>get free gunstrike
But block has semi-complex mechanics that this video explains well
The only reason fencing is still competitive is because in Siege mode, blocking isn’t viable at higher waves because of how many enemies there are
>>530786917
Yeah I know about the current block bugs
And yeah my first class I prestige’d to 4 was Heavy with absolutes only and I don’t take Duelist, so I’m @‘ing you

>>530787132
Appreciate you anon. Thanks

>>530786402
you can't really do that, *especially* when you are surrounded. the enemies will teleport on top on you/behind you, you will be forced to dodge multiple attacks, and once one of them hits and staggers you everyone around will punish you.

Holding shield up is not for turtling, it's for casually powerwalking jojo-style towards a group of devourers so that they waste their shots on you instead of your teammates. Or for waiting for more enemies to come to you so that you don't waste that explosive/shock parry on a single gaunt.

Balance needs more stats to make up for their deficiencies compared to Fencing and to some extent Block.

>join ruthless to level tac with gold pistol and melee
>get two dudes speaking spanish to each other
>they ignore every special and sprint past on inferno
>this stops working when we need to arm the bomb and they ignore the zoanthropes and biovore causing causing them to wipe to spore spam
>one of them was a heavy with the heavy bolt rifle

Gee willickers.

>>530786917
>The game just turns into rollslop past wave 15/20, etc etc
correct
>Why?
I play a blood raven

>>530786443
It's okay Brother, nobody's perfect.

>>530787292
>get two dudes speaking spanish to each other
they are black templars, aren't they? played with them yesterday.

>>530787292
had the same same experience it was a flesh tearer

>>530787429
No. one was in all white and gold.

>>530787245
Ah, i see. Makes sense though.

>>530786840
You can parry attacks that aren't red circles. Parrying these attacks either kills minoris and gives you a pip of armor back or can stun majoris+ for a gunstrike.
If you time it wrong you just block some of the damage and are trapped in block stun.
Balanced weapons give you the parry window a little bit after hitting block so you have to block clearly before the hit lands to parry it. This can be problematic if you're surrounded by lights or in a particular attack pattern since you can easily get locked in block stun and then shredded as soon as blocking wears off.
Fencing weapons give you the parry window as soon as you press the button letting you farm hormagaunts easily and avoid getting trapped in certain patterns. They also usually come with a bit more speed but less cleave so you have to parry spam the the gaunts/goats (which you mostly want to anyways because its free armor).
Block removes your ability to parry entirely but in that parry window you can instead perfect block which also avoids all damage. If you land 2 perfect blocks in a row then your next melee attacks have a shitload more damage for a couple seconds. The severe reduction in gunstrikes and ability to farm minoris for armor massively changes your playstyle and can put you into utterly horrific situations if you misplay but can also give you monstrous bursts in damage with correct positioning.
Fencing is the most forgiving, straightforward, and reliable of the 3 types of weapons while block can give some very high peaks at the cost of needing to change how you approach encounters so most people tend to take fencing because its an online game and all sorts of bullshit can happen that you don't want to deal with.

>>530694729
Any perks that allows you to ignore the resource management in this game is an automatic tier above the others.

>>530787925
i take fencing because knife fighting a carnifex is cinema

>>530788265
do you get a different execution with knife?

>>530786840
>>530787172
In addition to that video I've also written it in the Fandom wiki page
https://spacemarine2.fandom.com/wiki/Block
Keep in mind though block is bugged atm to not have the parry bonus or an actual stagger AoE.

>>530788265
I take block because knife fighting a carnifex is pure cinema
Then I inevitably get stunned for 80% of my health because I was standing within 5 meters when it... pulls its claws out of the ground? Why does that even have a hitbox, or damage?

>>530787925
some additions.
>fencing allowing gunstrikes after pp is very good against the carnifex
>blocks aoe stun being bugged against the carnifex is really bad
>blocks ranged damage reduction is bugged
>block got that 50% increased damage taken debuff removed (bug)
>block procs "on perfect block" perks after 1 perfect block, parry procs "on perfect parry" perks after parrying the final attack of a combo from an enemy (melee majoris usually have a 3 part combo) wich is horrible on tac/bulwark
i heard some of the "on block" percs dont work anymore so that might be an issue. also:
>assaults prestige perk hyperarmor actually factually does not work with block, only with parry and dodge. this is 100% a oversight but when pressed on it the community manager dev acted like it was intentional and now its set in stone for at least a year.

>>530788395
Nope it's the same for every one

>>530787925
Only thing to add to this is that block weapons usually have higher base stats than their compatriots, so block is also better for just wailing on the ranged Majoris who refuses to shoot at you or melee you and just walks backwards while you kill him
>>530788265
You can just as easily fight a Carni with block knife, it’s just less forgiving
But if he’s not enraged yet your melee attacks during adrenaline surge will stagger him and there’s a crazy good feeling when you get to stagger lock him for a change and go “no bitch, it’s MY turn to attack now”

>>530788395
no, buts its cool parrying massive claws

>>530788527
>Only thing to add to this is that block weapons usually have higher base stats than their compatriots
oops, yeah forgot
though by the time you're getting up into ruthless missing blocks on majoris+ is so punishing that some weapons you barely even swing for fear of getting stuck in an animation (god knows there are times i don't even bother attacking with the power fist regardless of the variant, just waiting for one of the 5 warriors to do something)

>>530757425
>no one has a medkit except vanguard
>vanguard uses medkit
>still has a medkit
>does not use it before getting downed
fucking classic

>>530788434
Thanks anon. Greatly appreciate the info dump

>>530788738
Yeah I usually just hipfire at enemies to make them attack me when I’m using block weapons

>>530788527
Huh didn't know the carnifex can be stunned at all. I thought it simply cannot be stunned
>>530788489
Actually
>block stuns on carni
It is to my knowledge that these fuckers, like the neurothrope, simply don't have a stagger animation
>block damage reduction is bugged
First I've heard of it. Going to test it out.
>block parry bonus
Yep. Bugged.
>battlefocus
Not bugged for block weapons, but doesn't proc on all parry since patch 7? It's logic is the same as parry bonus, which is only applied if the enemy gets staggered from a parry.
>assault prestige
Actually adrenaline rush works on block weapons. Has been since 7.1.

>>530717128
For anyone who will be interested in doing a 12-man siege lobby, here's the next poll to figure what time will be best to make it happen: https://strawpoll.com/GeZARpYLJyV

I went with GMT format and 24-hour clock times, so use a time converter to see your local time. Like this one: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/

FYI, the winners day of the previous poll were Saturdays, so all the hours in current poll apply to those weekend days.

>>530789073
nta but
>if he's not enraged yet
I think he hasn't played the game and just repeats some things he heard online

>>530789621
Wdym? Carni does become enraged. His attacks become faster. Not sure about the damage though.

>>530789621
I swear to actual fuck I recently staggered a Carnifex with adrenaline surge when it was like 90% HP and hadn’t enraged yet
Either that or I’m completely schizzing out and it was a Helbrute and I’m misremembering

>>530789762
Helbrute and hive tyrant can be staggered by adrenaline surge. AFAIK there is no way to stagger neurothrope and carnifex. Honestly shouldn't be that way.

>>530789849
Guess I’m schizzing then, it must have been a Helbrute

>>530789534
>exactly 12 dudes
Whoa...

>>530757425
>die
>don't get picked up within 3 seconds
>*Flow_State_ needs help!*
did he disconnect after 10 seconds as well?

>>530790329
It went up to a whopping 13 actually, but it wasn't until after I took the pic. At least there's going to be one extra pair of hands.

>>530786917
>The game just turns into rollslop past wave 15/20
There are still people who don't have the helmet

Somewhere in Russia, a Saber dev is orgasming hard

>>530789534
>I went with GMT format and 24-hour clock times, so use a time converter to see your local time. Like this one: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/
nigga what the fuck are you doing
just click the fucking button

>>530791121
Damn, that's much better. Thanks for pointing the obvious one out. My bad for not using that but I'm spent after the whole week. I'll update it in a sec.

I think one big advantage of block that never really gets discussed is the freedom to pick your target
When you’re fighting a group of Warriors with block, you can get two block stacks from a full-health Warrior in front of you, then turn around and dump the adrenaline surge damage into the near-death Warrior behind you to get armor back when you need it
With fencing you don’t get that freedom, you have to gunstrike the guy that parried you, you can’t turn around and gunstrike someone else

>>530789534
>>530791683
I deleted the previous poll since it was unnecessarily complex and went for updated meeting scheduler (thanks again Anon >>530791121).

Here it is: https://strawpoll.com/xVg71J9o6yr

>>530791791
>muh adrenaline surge
Walk up to a group of Warriors
Drop Melta bomb
Walk away and detonate

Why does the heavy bolter suck so much? I tried it on tac against chaos and it just makes fucking looney toons outlines around rubrics. God forbid you have to fight a terminator who will not stagger against you while he dumps his minigun into your face.

This piece of shit just does no damage but also has bad accuracy.

>>530792618
it doesn't. you have to get it to gold first though.

>>530792730
What's so special about the gold versions? Is there some perk synergy I'm just not getting that ups it to the next level?

>>530792779
The relic tier with the maxed out cooling and additional cooling perks mean you can fire it almost non-stop. It's really fun.

>>530792918
>cooling

I'm talking about the heavy bolt rifle. Sorry. I fucked up the name but specified I was on tac.

>>530792618
i don't remember the accuracy being a problem when leveled it on heavy. maybe try another variant but at the end of the day it's pretty mid, just a regular ass b tier weapon. it would actually be pretty enticing if the perk that reloads when you used an ability worked with iron halo but it's bugged

I need to rearrange my keys so that the equipment button is somewhere I can press to detonate the bomb while still being able to move freely. Maybe a special mouse button will do...

>>530793129
>heavy bolt rifle
>bad accuracy
>and I was tactical!
This dodge is bad.

>>530792618
The accuracy version at Relic tier ensures you will never run out of ammo.

The prestige perks are there to ensure you can just stomp in melee instead of parrying.

For Chaos always aim for headshots, in Operations it's much better to take the Heavy Plasma against Chaos and Heavy Bolter for Tyranids. Solo melee Multimelta is still viable in this patch and in Normal siege mode, it drops heavily on later waves on Hard.

>>530792618
Heavy bolt rifle needs the accuracy variant
however sabre was slightly less retarded and realized accuracy also should get slightly more ammo to be less shit.
But as tac with the heavy bolt rifle you need to be slamming headshots and not be afraid to whip out the chainsword for shoulderchecks between hipfiring

If you're dropping into an existing match is there a way to switch loadouts? All I see is the class selection screen.

>>530793887
no, you have to power through until the next drop pod

>>530793887
You do have 60 seconds to go to the armoury and switch once you see that you're loading into an existing game
Just gotta hope that your waiting teammates aren't at the verge of wiping while they wait those extra seconds

>>530792280
That's a ton of options to pick, but if this helps setting up the game, then I'm game.

>>530792618
The HBR exists exclusively to deal with Tzaangors and Gaunts. You can push it into being "serviceable" against Warriors, but that's just a result of them being easier to get headshots on. Just use the Stalker, Carbine, or Plasma if you want to be able to actually deal damage against Rubrics

>>530812078
The plasma on tactical also seems bad unless I'm missing something. After looking at the perks and damage numbers on a spreadsheet it seems like the carbine for high dps and the stalker if I can click heads.

Why do so many of the bolters suck?

>>530818407
you charge shots

>>530818407
You fully charge shots and watch enemies die

The Stalker bolter is only good for thropes and useless against mobs

>>530819352
If I'm using the plasma should I always be charging shots? Is there an important breakpoint to hit for shots to kill?

>>530819496
You use the rate of fire version for Absolute and Hard siege mode, for lower difficulties you can get away with the cooling/ammo version of the Plasma Incinerator

You fully charge shots and aim towards the enemy, most Majoris die in 3 full charged shots

For Minoris shitters use your Plasma gun instead, don't be afraid to use common shots on that thing even if charged shots are too good especially when getting contested health back

>>530818407
the stalker bolter takes more time and skill since you need to line up consecutive headshots, it's a terminus/extremis cleaner
but in siege mode you get swarmed with a bajillion enemies that it falls off in later waves where you'll be getting swarmed
in absolute it fucks up enemies bigly
the bolt carbine is far more useful

>>530818407
Charged shots do significantly more damage, and the bolters exist to pad out the weapon selection

how many perk points are available for weapons

>>530820960
The number of variants across all tiers +1
You get mastery points for maxing out a variant (even by buying mastery) and by maxing out XP for the weapon in general.

>>530820960
It's based on how many variants of that specific weapon exist. More variants means more points

>assualt has a mortal wound and a medkit he doesn't use
>fair enough, one medkit would not be sufficient to clear it
>assault picks up the second medkit and uses it
>now at 90% health
>shouts "for the emperor" and proceeds with a mortal wound

>page 10
we /coopg/ soon

anybody wanna drag my ass through absolute so I can get my sniper prestiges faster?

>>530829909
Sorry the new Rimworld DLC just dropped, I’m fucking OUTTA here

>>530829909
sure, post a code

>>530830323
NW7P3

>>530830412
2/3

>>530829909
Region?

>>530831320
europe

>>530831342
Yeah nope

>>530830412
You know what, anon, it was probably a bad idea. I'm sorry.

>>530833194
haha, don't sweat it, anon. it happens.

>>530792618
all of the bolters are comedicly bad except stalker and carbine, even after they were all buffed 5 times back to back. They all need another +20% damage and a small AoE.

>>530837284
I think the baseline is that the normal bolter should pop one Majoris with half a magazine then scale up/down the powercreep from there

If they're going by tabletop stats then one mag from a normal bolter should kill a Warrior/Rubricae

>put a melta bomb on the ground
>space wolf champion vanguard carrying geneseed beelines it
>shoots the melta rifle directly in front of the bomb
it's okay i didn't need that xp anyway

>>530843373
I always immediately backroll away once I drop a melta, no exceptions

>>530845064
He dropped the melta and someone else ran up and shot it, dying in the process

>>530790329
>>530791073
>>530792280
>12
>13
>now it's just op and me
lmao, i thought there will be no place left for me

>>530847859
I never planned to get involved but I'm with you in spirit, I just don't want to mess around with modding SM2 for this one thing just to remove it again for regular play.

>>530851617
I'm just using mod loader provided by the modders and funnily enough that particular 12-men mod is one file only. Much better than meddling with Astartes.

Worse than bots.

>>530853973
Did you only get to wave 10 or something? How did you do so much damage and get so little XP? You get like 17k for 15 waves.

>>530854296
I couldnt solo the helbrutes on wave 15,. thats where it ended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY_JzB0WxSA

Blud Rehvans will 1000% get a S2 cosmetic pack

>>530854532
Which red is the CORRECT red?

>>530854626
1 or 5

>>530854626
From L-R

Evil Sunz Scarlet - Wazdakka Red - Angron Red - Baal Red - Khorne Red

Liberator Gold - Abaddon Black - Warpstone Green - Ushabti Bone

>>530854532
The second and the last look the best, which ones are those?

>>530854626
only 4 is wrong, looks like a blood angels
1, 2, 3 and 5 are okay with 1-3 being the closest one

i love the regular ammo bolt rifle

>>530792280
nice to see this hasn't fizzled out

>>530854532
>they changed the audio

>>530855084
Wazdakka Red and Khorne Red

>>530854532
>AI upscaled 60fps monstrosity
>fucked up the audio
Behead all satans.

Time for Saber to move aside and give SM2 and 3 to the original and better dev like Relic

>>530856593
>better
Relic has been floundering since DOW3.

>>530857484
This guy posts the same thing about giving the game to Relic every week or so
Every time he gets like 4-5 anons to reply with
>relic
and he never responds

Given the personalities of the various classes, which chapters would fit each one the best? I think it's getting a little old having them all be Blud Rebbens.

imagine if the chainsword could do this

>>530860418
Could do what? Deal the last 2 damage an enemy needs to become incapacitated?

the new invincilibility perk is good

>>530863330
imagine if the chainsword's charge attack was good like the knife. enemies flash red when they are low hp noob. that majoris was almost full hp, not sure if a grenade even does damage through their block

>>530863995
It’s stupid that it takes a perk, like they gave vanguard i frames on grapple and the ability to grapple flying enemies for free, but for some reason they are always super stingy with assault despite being the weakest class

>>530863995
Chainsword rev cancel shoulder bash loop does way more DPS than anything the knife has and staggers in a 360 degree radius, so it’s still fine compared to knife
Getting off a fully charged shadow stab is only possible if all the enemies just ignore you, which usually doesn’t happen, which goes without saying

>>530866825
>Getting off a fully charged shadow stab is only possible if all the enemies just ignore you
it happens all the time when enemies target your squad mates. plus have you ever tried to die? enemies do not attack you unless you dodge or attack. shoulder bash spam does about as much damage as the knife's skull crushers. being able to strategically put a near full hp enemy into execute is extremely powerful.

>>530866825
Was there something about the bash skip beyond the few frames per loop it saves? It doesn't save that much time compared to the full attack (another anon tested it and the time difference was something like 0.2 seconds when executed in a loop) and loses both a perk slot and the little extra damage from the skipped swing, so I assume there is something else about it that makes it worth the extra effort. Does it let you fit an extra shoulder bash into the duration of your adrenaline stacks or something?

>>530867628
IIRC yeah, it lets you barely fit another shoulder bash into the adrenaline surge window if you have the purple block chainsword compared to just light-light-heavy
Also rev cancel - bash loop is also better for just general use, because the bash hits in a 360 degree area around you and keeps gaunts off you, so more bashes = more gaunts off your ass, whereas if you’re just doing light light bash they’ll usually be on your ass in between bashes

>>530868445
its the same shoulder bashes per minute whether you do the rev cancel or not. there is a huge delay between two heavy attack but no delay from a heavy to a light. the rev cancel thing is only faster the first time you do it from a neutral stance

>>530868943
Which is why it’s good with the purple block chainsword, because weapon speed affects the delay going from a bash to your next rev cancel

>>530869282
light light heavy is the same speed as revcancel light heavy even with purple sword. realistically you dont even initiate combat with a revcancel attack since the best way is with a sprint attack which slides you or ground pound which is followed by a kick. so you have a placebo move that takes up a perk and you miss out on 10% majoris damage or something else on the perk tree

>>530870334
You’re starting your adrenaline surge window with a slow as shit sprint attack? Bitch what the fuck?

>>530870334
It's definitely a tad faster to use rev cancel, as mentioned it saves like 0.2 seconds across a combo even with the extra delay looping it causes
So there is merit, and potentially being able to bash twice with adrenaline surge is a neat technique for chunking bosses
But I am sceptical of the usefulness of that, considering how well the shoulder bash just handles every situation even without the extra work

>>530870656
because all the enemies teleport or scoot away from you. i forgot to mention that quick punch is a genuinely useful attack that you dont have access to if you are doing the rev cancel meme

>>530870896
This doesn’t happen often at all, this only happens with ranged warriors and even then only if they decide to try and back away from you instead of performing their double melee or overhead melee
In practice on Absolute I find myself only HAVING to sprint attack to connect with adrenaline surge maybe once or twice per match

Even Reddit is sold on block weapons, why haven’t (You) bought in yet anon?

>>530871489
The better question is why are you going to reddit in the first place?

>>530871489
Imagine making this stupid ass reddit post in the middle of the patch that broke block weapons. They no longer apply the 50% dmg taken debuff, the explosion is still bugged to do no damage sometimes, the stacks are still wonky. I'm not using this half-baked poorly implemented garbage just because it's hypothetically good if only it weren't bugged as fuck.

>>530875410
It’s still good despite the bugs, like on Tac with Battle Focus and Heightened Vigor you can bring a Warrior from near 100% in a single adrenaline surge window
I’ve played block exclusively on Absolutes since the patch drop and I don’t feel much of a different in TTK, the only class I wouldn’t take it on is Assault because you need Armor Reinforcement for sustain and Sniper because I just don’t like block knife very much

>the 3 best players finally hooked up and are pushing waves
wave 40 incoming bros

>>530878453
Too late bro, Reddit already made it to wave 43

>>530871489
>lol
>lmao
First Saber should fix all the bugs and then I *might* consider giving it another try. And siege only further exacerbated flaws of block. Rolling around like a hedgehog because I missed my timings sound - sure, but you do you. Even before all that fencing always worked better for me, game feels more relaxed and I don't need to min-max anything as if I'm in an ESL tournament. Block vs Fencing debate misses the point of play style. It's fine if you want to give your absolute best over perfecting timings but it's just as effective to increase your parry window.
On that note fencing gets you too exposed during gunstrike, it could get some hyper armor for that, not invicibility, but extra armor it would work well.

>>530879383
Yeah as much as I espouse the virtues of block, and as much as fencing puts me to sleep because of how brainless it is, I would never take it into siege, it’s impossible to make work when you’re surrounded by 75 enemies

>>530876758
>the only class I wouldn’t take it on is Assault
thats crazy, assault is the one class its mandatory since you have no other way of dealing damage and you can super boost ground pound with the block stacks

>>530878925
>normal

>>530881820
I find that spamming gunstrikes with fencing with the team perk for +30% gunstrike damage is almost as much damage as block, way more survivable because you get armor every gunstrike from Armor Reinforcement, and while you can’t see it, you also have to remember you’re adding a TON of overall team damage because you bet your ass the random shitters you’re playing with are using fencing too

The real question is when and how are they buffing BALANCED

>>530883642
About how long it took for them to make block not trash

>>530883642
only balanced should let you gun strike, fencing should just stagger

>>530892514
>how do we make this mediocre option better?
>just nerf everything else!
You trying to get a dev job in euroland?

>>530892786
What would you do then?

>>530892786
fencing should just be about keeping you safe. block is for chads that want to do damage and cut through the enemy. this would make balances an interesting option where it takes more skill but you get more reward

Why don’t they just give balanced a 1.5x gunstrike damage bonus or something
That way fencing would be the safe option, balanced would be harder but give better gunstrikes, and block would be harder but give better base weapon damage and adrenaline burst windows

>>530893912
I never understood the fencing is defensive mindset. Parrying staggers the enemy and enables a gunstrike, and a gunstrike knocks every enemy in the immediate vicinity of the first enemy out of their animations, so my typical combat loop is to parry, swing two or three times, then gunstrike and swing again until something attacks and it's time to repeat.
If anything, the breathing room fencing affords me just lets me go deeper into the enemy swarm.

>>530893912
>the combat style around weaving in and around attacks to parry and riposte them should be about keeping you safe instead of taking risky dodges to get even more damage in
>while the combat style based around purely defending from enemy attacks behind giant blocks of wood/metal and sneaking in quick stabs should be mondo big dick damage instead of being extremely safe but slow

>>530894548
Because whenever an enemy attacks you, you’re forced to pause all aggression and stop to parry
You never get to say “stop attacking bitch, it’s MY turn to stagger you until you die”
It’s never your turn with fencing, it’s always the enemy’s turn, and whenever they decide you need to stop attacking you have to stop to parry

>>530894548
because fencing is totally reactive. you can only parry and gunstrike the majoris that hit you. with the block stack mechanic, i can take i stacks and choose where to apply the damage and stagger. block outright deals more damage anyways, there is no loop with block you just kill them and watch an execute animation. they supposedly made the block weapons have better baseline stats.

>>530894908
>semantics

>>530893912
you just hate fencing and want to make it unusable don't you?

Block is useless in higher tiers of game mode, you spam Melta bombs instead of engaging in melee. Bringing a melee character to begin with is already stupid by default, the Vanguard has the carbine for head popping and then execute.

If you're using the Bulwark then you're already gimping yourself by not using the Fencing power sword and thus are purposedly throwing the game.

Tactical and Sniper don't need to engage in melee that much, you just shoot and enter in execute loops.

>>530898540
>Block is useless in higher tiers of game mode, you spam Melta bombs instead of engaging in melee
the only game mode this is true is hard siege which i wouldnt even call a game. absolute vs nidders is about as far as you can play until the game totally breaks down. even then a lot of the hp regen systems dont work since you have -50% hp and armor. absolute vs chaos is barely playable without cheesing with the heavy plasma

>>530898949
No one plays Absolute anymore but for noobs who just bought the game on sale.

They're leveling on Normal siege mode and Ruthless.

normal siege is the most enjoyable balance of enemy density and enemy health
the difficulty in other game modes should just increase or decrease enemy density instead of turning them into ridiculous bullet sponges

>>530899081
Factually incorrect, everyone with a brain cell already got their pimple helmet and moved back to operations, where the real game is at
The only people left playing Siege are Tyrone and Jamal on their consoles in normal mode because they haven’t realized the XP rewards and dogshit, and day-late-dollar-short types in hard who missed the train to get the helmet and are stuck with level 7 no prestige assaults with no team perk trying to get to wave 15

>>530900118
Fuck you why is this so real…

>they’re leveling on normal siege mode
That’s how you know that was a bait post, nobody’s ACTUALLY that dumb in real life

Why did they nerf the XP rewards for Siege so hard though? It was perfectly fine on the test server.

>>530902167
can't have nice things

is this lore accurate?

>>530907207
This is why I don’t like block knife, block chainsword would have killed that Ravener during that surge

>>530907446
chainsword doesnt have a white scars skin

>>530908112
I know, I also made a White Scars Tac when the DLC dropped so I could use the white scars skin stalker rifle and the white scars knife skin
But then I realized block knife sucks and switched lmao

>>530907207
>just use Block bro

>>530908493
Don’t act like that would have gone any differently with fencing
He would have done even less damage to the Ravener, it slithers away anyway, then he dies to the beam all the same

>>530907207
>White Scars
>dying
>not even headshotting
Sounds about right

>>530908634
if he ran with fencing he would have armour
block sucks

>>530909034
There are 0 opportunities presented in that clip to acquire armor with fencing as a Tactical

>>530909601
that ravener sequence nets you 2 armor from gunstrikes after his second attack and the last third attack where it lunges straight at you
block sucks

>>530909717
You uh…
I don’t know how to tell you this anon but…
You don’t get armor from non-lethal gunstrikes…

>fencing user doesn’t understand basic game mechanics
Many such cases

>>530907207
>attacks into a pit of acid and just stands there
this is your brain on block

>>530910132
>a pit of acid
i watched that webm like 4 times and only just noticed it

Everyone: Parry + Gunstrike is cool
Low IQ: I MUST ROLLSLOP BIG EXPLOSIONS BOOM LOOK AT ME I HAVE HIGHER NUMBERS NUMBER GO UP

>>530908493
>>530910132
this webm was about thrope lazer horse shit, but you trannies made it about block vs fencing

Really triggered all the fenceshitters with those last few posts huh lmao

Really triggered all the blockshitters with those last few posts huh lmao

>>530910358
What do you want, 4-5 posts telling you “you should have dodged that, retard?”
That goes without saying, you should have dodged that, retard

>Melee retards
>when Melta bomb spam is the new meta
>in the absence of Melta bomb, Krak/Shock spam
No wonder no one else posts codes, ya'll suck.

>>530910512
I believe the point of the post was highlighting zoanthrope screams randomly doing double damage, as they have four months, presumably because of a bug.

>>530910547
post a code

>>530907207
>is this lore accurate?
Yeah

using a melta bomb is a crutch
you're no better than block retards

>>530910627
Well yeah, everyone knows the beams are bugged and double hit sometimes
He also could have dodged the beam
>>530910850
>the anti-block pro-melta anon and the anti-block anti-melta autists are fighting
You used to have to pay for entertainment like this

>>530910850
>tfw you recognize the meme but don't remember what was the original crutchposting about

>>530910850
>tfw you recognize the meme but don't remember what the original crutchposting was about

>what was
ESL SAAR

im done with this trash

what actually is the timing for dodging zoanthrope scream shits because i just spam rolls the moment i see it come out and hope that it works

White Scars players suck, what else is new?

In other news, Imperial Fists eat shit

Fencing users are brown thirdies because they need fencing to compensate for their terrible Indonesian ping
Block users are white intellectuals who enjoy studying enemy attack patterns and learning timing windows

>>530911349
you are both brown
trve aryans use balance

>>530911349
You do realize that players in pubs don't get mixed if they're from the other side of the world? The only time you'll play with an Indonesian is if someone joins you via code and has 300+ ping.

seaniggers don't play space marine 2
cope harder

>>530911428
>BalanceGODS ITT
I kneel…

>>530911428
>says the heavy who goes down first when a massive wave happens

>>530911602
the joke is he's indian.

brown fenceshitters don’t @ me
only white blockchads may SPEAK in my presence

>>530893912
Just give it the best stats instead of Block. Balanced is considered the worst of both worlds when it comes to defensive aspects, so make it offensively the best. At the very least give it the same stat spread as a Block weapon.

Just remove Block and Balanced

>>530915398
>Just remove Block and Balanced
unfathomly based

>>530911702
Anon, I...

>>530915398
>remove the only fun parts of the game
Yeah nah

>>530915398
upvoted

>>530917891
>balanced is fun
braindamage

I don’t get how people can seriously shill fencing as fun
Like sure there’s use cases for both block and fencing and sometimes one does more damage or is better in some situation or other
But just pressing a single button with such forgiving timing that a gamerdad can do it? How is that fun past 50 hours lmao
Like yeah “whoah parry and gunshot sounds cool, dopamineee haha”
But after you do that a couple hundred times it gets old and you just want to move on to more advanced stuff

>>530918463
It's comfy.

>>530918592
Well like yeah but so is Swordmaster in DMC3
But eventually you get good and move onto Royal Guard

>>530918463
>I don’t get how people can seriously shill fencing as fun
Because it's a game and it's supposed to give people fun, not aneurysm from nailing down timings. That's why fencing is so enjoyable. It's effective and "just works". I would go a step further and say that this was the original intention for the blocking/parrying mechanic from the get go, but they added in block and balanced, so this is where we're at. I did play block for some good 50 hours to know what I'm talking about and it ain't entertaining. But if you like it, that's cool. People like all sorts of things.
>advanced stuff
That's certainly not right description for it. Unless we count learning the exact moment a hit lands "advanced".

>>530918923
I don't think your analogy fits but for me it's simple, I learned fencing while block was dogshit, and I'm too lazy to learn block. I'm taking a break from the game, maybe I'll learn it when I decide to come back.

>>530918463
If that explosion did any extra damage I'd be playing block.

>>530918463
i´d be with you if block did not feel like a tacked on mod. its unfinnished and not thought through.
dont get me wrong, i switched to block on bulwark as soon as intimidating aura worked with it and played block on all other classes for ages now, i still do not like it. its better, but it does not feel like a round thing and i hate the glowing fist with a passion.

>>530918463
>“whoah parry and gunshot sounds cool, dopamineee haha”
Yes.
>>530919324
>That's certainly not right description for it.
It's just different than fencing and that's it. There's nothing advanced about it in terms of some special skill needed for using it.

>>530907446
thats the issue with block. well, its generally a issue with melee that chainsword is outright stronger then every other melee in just about everything, but block just takes that problem and bloats it. with thammer you dont even get out 2 attacks during the surge. with pfist you need to running attack into instant-charge up. its a travesty.

>>530911602
i literally joined a pug and i had 1000 ping, we were not on the same side of the planet

>>530923125
dude you weren't even on the same planet, ping between eu and us is 100-200 and between eu and aus 200-300

I'm trying to figure out how to one shot majoris with the thunder hammer. How do damage perks stack? Like if I have multiple 5% melee damage perks on the hammer do they just add together? What about when I throw overcharge into the mix?

>"How do you do, fellow loyalists?"
>"What? The-these?"
>"They are my war troph-...battle honours, yes battle honours, 'cousin'".

>>530935271
I am waiting for 9.0 to make my whole squad wear IF specific gear but painted as Iron Warriors.

las fusil is kinda shit, shot clip on a lot of geometry , and the techpriest that sighted the thing should be fired, its too low or high

>>530923125
>1000 ping
You're a third worlder with 1Mbps internet

>>530940392
He really should have the inferno crane calibrate his scopes
And yeah, there are times when the shot seems to actually magnetize into rocks you're peeking past

>>530940392
>>530941714
It's because the beam's hitbox is wider than the beam itself, and it can't shave parts of it off and keep going. If the edge of it clips something, the whole beam stops there.

If you had to have a canon chapter for each class - champion skins and Ultramarines not withstanding - what are they? What is their loadout etc?

Assault is the last class I need to prestige, how do I make this garbage fun?

>>530945606
Tactical-ultramarines, the helmets and accessories are all super roman themed
Vanguard-Minotaurs, vanguard is an aggressive asshole
Assault-black templar, he is the team zealot
Sniper-ravenguard, ez
Bulwark-salamander, he is the nicest and with his heavy armor and the thunder hammer fits perfectly
Heavy-imperial fist, would say iron fist but he isn’t a cunt, just autistic

>>530947984
Dodge build is fun but only becomes functional at max level, so focus on cd and ground pound, the thunder hammer and power fist are more useful for that

>>530947984
Grind on Ruthless/Lethal

Double Terminus on Absolute is shit for Assault

>>530947984
PUNCH

>>530947984
Just focus on getting as much ability cooldown as possible and spam "ground pound into a group, hit a few guys, then jump pack out and ground pound the same group or bail into a completely different group". At least, I think that was the intention, but Operations/Siege Assault is so dogshit I have no idea what they were going for

>>530948550
>>530948928
>>530949969
>>530950179
What about weapons? power sword or hammer?

>>530951508
fencing power fist

>>530951508
I like Thunder Hammer on Assault and Power Sword on Bulwark, but that's entirely based on aesthetics

>>530951508
The power sword has grown on me. Overall on demand burst is lower than the power fist, but it's less reliant on an all or nothing big hit with a comparatively long charge time.

>>530951508
For non dodge builds I prefer the thunder hammer or power fist, block thunder hammer can oneshot majoris with the ground pound, and if you have the block charge up you can oneshot extremis too. Power fist benefits massively from charge damage perks and can wipe groups easily. With the dodge build I like the relic fencing power sword, gives you extra survivability and easy minoris clear when you need space.

does the rapid cooling perk of tactical's plasma gun affect charged shots too?

Friendly reminder that the cosmetic system works by attaching all possible parts at all times and just turning whatever ones you're not using invisible.

>>530955248
???

>>530955248
no wonder the performance is shit and we can only have 3 marines

>>530955367
>>530955789
I poked my head in the modding discord and there posts absolutely everywhere clowning on Saber for it from both modders and players complaining how customization mods fuck up LODs because of the extra overhead to process models.

For those wondering, yes, this is why having cross class models is also incredibly difficult

>>530957849
This is never going to be fixed, right?
Saber is never going to have a 'QoL update' where they unfuck this system now they definitely have the money and time to do so?
Meaning the game will only get worse performance wise, over time? Since they are going to cut up the champion skins I assume they will be added to this mess making it worse?

>>530957849
Needs more purity seals.
But holy shit! This is some next level retard design. I'm not even going to ask why, but what the hell where they smoking?

>>530957849
>the absolute state of slavoid devs