Push-ups Edition

Previous weight of the world: >>530435757

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>>530462848
Furious

>>530462849 (OP)
>Weird route means you can never get a happy ending in your other playthroughs unless you delete all game data.
How would you feel?

fave sitting in your lap

>>530462959
Bored, he already tried this with Undertale.

>>530462959
Didn't we already do this with selling your soul in post-geno route?

Kralsei will be canon, my uncle works at Toby Fox

What is the significance of The place where it rained have sans/Its raining somewhere else having the sans leitmotif?

https://files.catbox.moe/2z6z6k.jpeg
>blocks your path

>>530463008
>*Don't think any lewd thoughts
>*Don't think any lewd thoughts
>*Don't think any lewd thoughts
>*Don't think any lewd thoughts

Ramb isn’t British. He’s faking the accent.

>>530462959
regedit.exe:

>>530463132
No threat, balls so big that a single kick will incapacitate them.

>>530463023
>>530463023
Yes, but he made the mistake there of having it be in a completed game. Imagine if putting the Thornring on Noelle has already doomed all your other playthroughs.

>>530462959
He'd need to do it in a different way to make it interesting cause he already did that trick, and besides I don't see how the weird route makes sense doing that?
Chara possessing Frisk symbolizes how you can never go back to seeing this world the same. After destroying it and admitting to yourself it is nothing more than a game to be completed, stats to be raised, numbers and code, you can never truly reimmerse yourself like in your first playthrough, forever will they just BE enemies.
He'd have to do something interesting to make me not find it a bit boring to do it again

slut

Pick

https://files.catbox.moe/n4wq69.mp3
music leak chapter 5

is this real, chat?

>>530463160
>porn world
>no porn
I don't get it.

>>530463178
Kris made up the accent when he was using the plug to play with Noelle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWsyOVfr3Ak

>>530462849 (OP)
Why are they so perfect?

>>530462959
That would mean that the Krises and Susies from the save files where you did get a happy end would get punished for (You)r actions which is kind of a confused moral

>>530463382
is there a joke here or is it just a song

>>530463332
Story wise, I can imagine Kris never trusting you again because of what did and that dooming all of your other playthroughs since it will be revealed he can remember everything you did in every playthrough.

Gameplay wise, not sure what it would reflect. But then, we also don't know how the game ends yet.

>>530463382
All rise for the NEO /utg/ anthem

>>530463464
You need to buy the 18+ DLC for 60 USD before tax in order to unlock the actual porn.

bed breaking, wall-scratching sex

>>530463382
nyo way

I want to protect his smile.

>Deltarune 40k
Susie is a Kroot, not an Ork
>race of dinosaur people
>in an unlikely but very close alliance with a race of scrawny nerds, whom they are said to troll on occasion
>fightan autists, but not straight-up retards like the orks. also actually have genders
>their defining feature is that they can and will eat almost anything

>>530463160
This Ralsei makes me uncomfortable

>>530463008

>>530463695
GOD I WISH I WAS THE CAMERAMAN

>>530462959
Toby you already did this shit before. Why do you want the message to be that players are all divine again?

>>530463008
>cuddles fave
>tries to think non-horny thoughts
>fails the willpower check
>hope I don't get a boner or fave doesn't notice it if it does happen

>>530462865
correct me if i'm wrong, but a brit plug and an american plug arent the same anyway? i know they're less different than whatever the fuck the europ ones are.

My take on "which characters masturbate/how often" from the last thread
I will also give my opinions on which ones are degenerate perverts later

>>530463787
No wonder Susie is eating everything, I bet her DNA is like 30% moss by now

>>530463787
I feel like Susie would 100% play Ork. But, yeah, this does make sense. Though, does it mean that Kris is actually a Tau?

>>530463160
>enter PORN world
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JttJh13UaxA immediately starts playing
uh oh

https://files.catbox.moe/hvz0ds.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/hinqyz.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/tagd39.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/vwc74z.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/cmtaav.mp4

>>530463895
>Carol
>Never
Her husband is in the hospital, she has needs as well

>>530463681
and then cuddles after

>>530463178
Yep, it adds up. Feels like an Ameican fan-fic writer's overconfident first attempt at it.

>>530463921
OH NO NO NO NO

>>530463950
what the hell is this schizo shit

>>530463345
ralsei after I replace a small fraction of his dna with cat dna

>>530463904
>Kris
>Kris you need to put the ThornRing on Noelle
>It is for the Greater Good™

REMEMBER ANDATEIRU, RABU
HAHAHA PUREASE BUY DERUTARUN

>>530463895
thou thinkest thy master of rules and cardplay never ranneth his supple and dexterous didgets 'round yonder flagpole?

A green that was made yesterday

>>530463950
that susie in the third one is my most favorite susie ever i love her long jacket and her expression

>>530463160
That fucking guy

so why do the dark fountains turn deltarune monsters into their undertale counter parts

>>530464057
more butt pats

>>530463008
AIIEEE MY LEGS

>>530464110

Vapor buster is so good, I’ve been listening to it on loop for a couple hours

>>530463904
Susie would play tyranids because she likes kaiju and also because of the "all females into 40k play tyranids" meme

>>530463787
It's a decent argument, however Susie's full-on love of all things Ork tips the scales the other way very hard. Susie likes loud rock and metal, flamethrowes, giant monsters, wrecking stuff, probably likes monster trucks and speed freeking. Kroot are quite deadpan emotionally speaking.

So what actually is this? We know about the Kris/Knight connection but they are literally copying eachother. That's more then just an alliance.

>>530463332
Come on and slam and welcome to the jam

So, what's the deal with the Great Doors? There's clearly something deeper going on with them and we know the Sans Doors can teleport.

>>530464302
they dont
the only character we see from undertale in a dark world is toriel and she turns into a queen with a cyan robe and crown
her UT robes are choir clothing in deltarune

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-ifukvnICY
What a good song
What a good fight
What a good character

Can toby make an enemy that feels stronger than Gerson?
He seemed way stronger than the Knight

>>530464342
That doesnt make sense all the monsters look different thats the defining feature of monsters

>>530464342

>>530464423
I feel like the ribcage eye could imply that the Knight absorbed Kris' original soul?

>>530464539
udyne is in her UT knight armor

>>530464563
Sure just have him beat Gerson.

>>530463897
>kroot subspecies (ie krootox, knarloc) are known to be genetic failures derived from improper diet
it's not lookin good for soozer...
>she begins to get more lethargic as the days go on, and gets an affinity for damp, shady spots in the forest
>her skin is starting to get fuzzy and carpet like
>her brain is dissolving, slowly, day by day
>one day, after a whole class period of spacing out, she slurs out to kris that nah she'sh just gonna hang out alone for tje day
>finds a nice spot in the forest
>sits down
>blinks one eye, then the other
>breathe in
>breathe out
>breathe in
>breathe ou-
>she stops thinking
>eventually just lays down
>she grows across the rocks and tree she was nestled into
>a week later, kris happens across a giant purple patch of moss, remnants of half-consumed clothing barely visible peaking from underneath
>mmm, moss
>susie would've liked eating this
don't do moss, kids

>>530463008
I am crushed to death but it was worth it.

>>530463178
>>530464000
my personal assumption was that shameless weeb toby's invoking a scenario where they are literally japanese but some translator had fun with giving them regional accents to demonstrate their qualities, like a lot of game dubs do.

i think he kept it to minimum in UT, but i always got the impression mettaton was british. i forget why, maybe it's the bowie inspiration.

>>530464549

>>530464469
Isn't it just the door in and out of a Dark World

>>530463493
its just a song

>>530464769
very glad i drew that the other day

>>530464670
Shit man

>>530464749
how often does Tenna "accidentally" stick his ass out into groping distance near his employees?

>>530464215
God, I love Kris having genuine reasons for hating humanity. I just want him to get viciously bullied by a rich girl for being raised by monsters.

>>530463008
Instant boner
If he tries to stand up because he's embarrassed I will wrap my arms around his waist
The night will end with me in his goat bussy

Pacifist route dialogue with Politics Bear
>I heard Dr. Alphys told the king and queen the awful things she'd done.
>The king felt so bad that he didn't know.
>He gave her a big hug.
>Then the queen fired her.
Was Toriel in the right to fire Alphys?

>>530464380
I feel Noelle would play Tyranids, but I could see both frankly.

Ralsei owes all of /utg/ at least a handjob each
Yes even the anons that don't want it

>>530464949
Often enough that his employees have started to draw lewd pictures of him.

>>530464810
There's a lot of focus on them, especially since Chapter 3, it feels like there's a deeper reveal waiting. Also, we've already seen regular dark world exits: light coming from the ceiling that Kris and Susie can jump into.
Plus, it's never been explained how Ralsei can always reach Kris and Susie.

the fuck krissy gonna do?

>>530464423
Knight is Dess' empty body with Kris's original soul absorbed. As described here.

>>530464993
>>530463881
>>530463169
We get it, you have big dicks

>>530464665
It's armor, but it's not the same armor.
She's missing her helmet, the armor around the upper arms, and there's a star on the armor where her UT armor has no emblems of any kind.
Her Undertale armor is also more detailed.

>>530465029
alphys was basically pulling a mengele in the true lab. she should have been in a lot more trouble than just being fired.

>>530465029
she made zombies in the cellar and didn't tell anyone about it??

>>530465207
what sort of sick fuck puts ketchup on pancakes

>>530465029
well, presuming that she never actually abdicated the throne (and instead just walked away and came back many years later), she very well may have had the right to do so legally.

>>530465029
Alphys left a bunch of confused, half formed people rotting away in a dingy, depressing lab. In secret. While also doing stuff like building a sex robot. When she could have tried to tell even just asgore.
She’s lucky the families didn’t press charges.

>>530465029
Yes.

Besides, considering everything, it's not like losing her job mattered.

>>530465175
>a lot are life drawings depicting the angle at which they saw him
>(usually from below, unless he was feeling very small and distressed that day)

WORLDS on worlds are rolling ever
From creation to decay,
Like the bubbles on a river
Sparkling, bursting, borne away.
But they are still immortal
Who, through birth's orient portal
And death's dark chasm hurrying to and fro,
Clothe their unceasing flight
In the brief dust and light
Gathered around their chariots as they go;
New shapes they still may weave,
New Gods, new laws receive,
Bright or dim are they as the robes they last
On Death's bare ribs had cast.

A power from the unknown God,
A Promethean conqueror, came;
Like a triumphal path he trod
The thorns of death and shame.
A mortal shape to him
Was like the vapour dim
Which the orient planet animates with light;
Hell, Sin, and Slavery came,
Like bloodhounds mild and tame,
Nor preyed, until their Lord had taken flight;
The moon of Mahomet
Arose, and it shall set:
While blazoned as on Heaven's immortal noon
The cross leads generations on.

Swift as the radiant shapes of sleep
From one whose dreams are Paradise
Fly, when the fond wretch wakes to weep,
And Day peers forth with her blank eyes;
So fleet, so faint, so fair,
The Powers of earth and air
Fled from the folding-star of Bethlehem:
Apollo, Pan, and Love,
And even Olympian Jove
Grew weak, for killing Truth had glared on them;
Our hills and seas and streams,
Dispeopled of their dreams,
Their waters turned to blood, their dew to tears
Wailed for the golden years.

>>530465029
It's not like they really needed a Royal Scientist anymore
On the neutral path ending where you do the Alphys date but skip the True Lab she keeps her job, and we know that she was planning to reveal the Amalgamates even without Frisk entering

>>530463894
A fresh image of my laptop charger for you. They're pretty different desu. The ordinary plugboys from Ch2 feel like they'd accept these better.

>>530463008
if she's facing me i'm not responsible for what's about to occur

Why does it seem like Queen is the least popular boss character? I personally found her humor hit-and-miss to put it mildly but that's probably just me. She is almost never brought up ITT whether for characterfagging or theoryfagging, even less so than King I feel. Is it just the effect of 3&4 still being fresh or people just don't care for her in general?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-kr7wL7nUg

>>530465029
Her position was obsolete anyway. Toriel's punishment was a slap on the wrist; if anything it feels weird Toriel is the only person who cares about what Alphys did after the true lab.

>>530465323
it's worse than that, she did nothing. alphys gave up building mettaton's body because she thought he'd stop talking to her when he got what he wanted

>>530465226
>kris knighters win even though kris and the knight are seen in the same room

>>530463008
>Grown ass teenage boy sitting on my lap.
I hope he likes watching me play Fire Emblem Gaiden...

How to silence kris or a deltarune fan, tell him his parents are divorced and laugh

>>530465521
she's hot but not a furry

>>530465521
Because there isn't much to talk about regarding her? Like, queen is pretty popular and rivaled spamton at her peak during chapter 2 but like, she has a complete arc and doesn't really tie into any overarching mystery, she is just the quirky aunt character now, King at least has dialogue each chapter regarding the overarching plot and the knight and clearly his story isn't over, queen's seems to be.

>>530465521
unironically it's because she's a girl so the fujos don't care about her

>>530465635
My dad's just dead though

KRIS AND DESS WON

>>530465539
MAKING THE MOTHER OF ALL DELTARUNES HERE, PLAYER

CAN'T FRET OVER EVERY DESS

>>530465521
Queen is more liked than Tenna, and the Titan barely counts as a character.

>>530465635
my parents remarried

>>530462959
Anything less than "You HAVE to do the full weird route in order to get the happy ending where everyone lives and comes back to hometown." is bad writing. Cowardly hack shit. I choose to believe the game will be good and it's up to the Fox to betray my trust.

>more kino art for my collection
Based, I just hope the fanart keeps up for at least another month or so

>>530465635
my parents should have gotten divorced

>>530465185
If anything it seems that the pillar of light is an irregularity specific to the Grand Fountain
The great doors I can think of off the top of my head are
>The one from the closet into the unused classroom
>The one that matches the front door of Kris's house
>The one that matches the entrance into the church proper from the entrance hall
So it seems like a clear cut thing to me, even though I wouldn't be surprised if Toby plays around with the concept in the future

>>530464606
Me when I elongate

>>530465492
thank you for your plug, m8. i didnt know that.

they removed duplikris...

What army would the cast play in Warhammer fantasy battle?
>Kris
Lizardmen.
>Susie
Probably still Orks.
>Ralsei
Bretonnia.
>Berdley
Chaos warriors.
>Noelle
Dark Eldar.

>>530465521
I like her, but she's not a very deep character. not much to discuss about her

Kris cannot be the Knight because the Knight is Big and Kris is a shrimp

>>530465928
>fave doorbell camera

>>530465928
Is it wrong that i find this incredibly hot? Having her beg you not to do what you want to do by having her talk about how you promised to protect her did weird things to me.

>>530466160
What if the knight is literally a black knife? If monsters in Undertale can have determination then so can darkners in Deltarune.

>>530465602
>when the thesis is preserved in the synthesis

>>530465226
I feel like that bit of Undertale is talking about Asriel when he absorbed Chara's soul to pass through the barrier - or Asriel when he absorbs the other human soul.

But it could be right - it might be that the Knight is Dess who has had her monster soul removed and Kris's soul put in its place (probably after being attacked by FRIEND in the forest).

>>530465602
Would be very Toby to do that

>>530464651
This does seem to be the prevailing theory

Hug the human

>>530465492
B-blue board anon…

>>530465989
YOU'RE LONG!

>>530463332
i dont know how you can guilt-trip me into playing the good route when there is nothing for me.
>broken home
>alcoholic mother
>nobody likes you
>the moment you socialize your bully, some dyke tries to steal her from you
>if you don't let her, its big yikeseroni~
>you can't form social bond with anyone without them being torn from you
>your kindness finds its reward with you returning back to zero.
>you have nothing again.
>the world is ending (billions must die)
>all your friends are happy
>you stand alone

if that world survived, i would be more pissed.

>>530466340
She looks like she will stab me if I try that.

>>530465635
Lol my parents were never married

https://deltarune.com/chapter5/
so chapter 5's darkfountain is confirmed to be hometown, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LTwMbfDcEQ

>>530465029
Well the job wasn't needed anymore.
And while things did work out, making body horror monsters out of people's recently deceased family and not communicating it with anyone and keeping them locked in a creepy dusty basement is kinda fucked, yeah.

https://youtu.be/W0YQCC_ylwo?si=DoSe9Hj-5uiM_iXJ groovin

You never see the Knight and Kris in the same room.
COINCIDENCE??
HMMMMM??????????

>>530466340

>>530466037
I'm curious why you gave Lizardmen to Kris and not to Susie. I think Kris would go Beastmen. In fact I think Susie would go Ogres.
>Ralsei
High Elves, particularly with a Teclis army.
>Berdly
Empire, Nuln.
>Noelle
Yeah Dark Eldar seems fitting.
>Lancer
The actual Orcs and Goblins player.

Putting up flyers for a big sale on bouquets at Flower King for Valentine's Day with Asgore, dealing with customer support over the phone and really really holding myself back from saying derogatory slurs to not disappoint Asgore, walking around the mall to shop for some large clothes for Asgore and stopping to purchase some pretzels

>>530465521
queen is zased and was my favorite deltarune character for a long time

>>530465029
Weirdly enough, despite not being much of a fan of either Alphys or Toriel, I think this was the right move. Alphys was doing both what a doctor is suppose to do - attempting to improve health and save lives - and what a scientist is supposed to do - conduct experiments at the cutting edge of knowledge and understanding to shed light on new prospects.

Alphys partially succeeded too, creating valuable knowledge that can be useful for monsterkind forever. But, she broke many social rules of great importance that exist independently of medical or scientific value yet which are integral to them. She didn't get explicity consent from all parties as to what she was constituting, and when it all went tits-up she hid the results and used shitty ghosting tactics to avoid blame or shame. She lived like an emotional wreck for years while keeping the Amalgamates like pets. Even if it is a form of care, it was still a rotten thing to lock them in a basement like that, and rotten too to keep their relatives in the dark.

So Alphys did her best in what her fields are meant to do and created real value, but broke greater social principles in the process and then covered them up and worsened them out of personal spinelessness and weakness. She deserve punishment for sure. But she did ultimately save lives, and the Amalgamates seem to be happy and their relatives are happy with them back in their homes. Alphys is to thank for that. It's a tricky balance to make, but "you're fired, live in peace" is a fair compromise.

>>530466462
Friske is the only person she didn't stabbed

>>530465521
King is easily the least popular, so unpopular that nobody in the replies even pointed out his existence, that’s how forgotten he is

>>530465492
>P.E. terminal larger than L and N
great design.

>>530466530
We're all assuming that Alphys always did it and not that Gaster was the one who fucked about with determination and Alphys replacing him in the timeline meant she technically kinda didn't do it. If Toby thinks that it might explain why the writing isn't so hard on her. That or he lets his nerdy girl and tomboy fetish win out over common sense. Again.

The seventh, golden flower in addition to the six flowers representing the six souls implies the existence of a new, yet unseen human soul. It is not a red flower. I think Kris had a golden soul, perhaps of determination, giving even the Knight the ability to create fountains despite not being a lightner and not being able to produce determination herself.

>>530466460
Damn, it's Susie's Canada trip thing once again

>>530466519
I mean, it is likely, at this point I wouldn't be too surprised if the roaring actually happened way before we thought but that page is about WEIRD ROUTE CONTENT, about things happening in the weird route specifically.
2 plays the song that plays to the build up to the Berdly Fight (D.mp3)
3 is hidden but plays Ma.mp3 because the sword route is a teaser for the weird route
4 leads to the THANK YOU red dot
5 is h.mp3, which is I believe a town called hometown played on guitar. IIRC Susie doesn't get the guitar in the weird route, it seems possible we get Noelle to bring it whenever we see her in the weird route and that is how we get the code in the weird route.

>>530466037
>Susie
Orks are less hard rock punk hooligan in fantasy than in 40k so she may swing more ogre kingdoms or beastmen or lizardmen because monsters
>Ralsei
Bretonnia is too dark for him for the way it oppresses the peasants. Ralsei just paints everyone's miniatures for them but doesn't attach himself to any specific faction, he has a small wood elf collection painted in whimsical colors and headcanoned to be nice and cuddly that is never played or even brought to light
>Berdley
Chaos Warriors are JOCKS. He would play high elves.

>>530465029
well she didn't even mean to bring the monsters back to life in the first place, she just wanted to figure out if it was possible to inject monster souls with determination so they could leave the barrier

>>530465207
chapter 5 will start with kris at 1 EXP and sans missing for the rest of the game

>>530466885
Kris is a vessel like flowey

>>530466594
>I'm curious why you gave Lizardmen to Kris and not to Susie
Dinosaur fetish.

>I think Kris would go Beastmen.
> In fact I think Susie would go Ogres.
Could see that as well.

>High Elves, particularly with a Teclis army.
Could also see that. I went with Bretonnia because, like Ralsei, they are massive tools.

>The actual Orcs and Goblins player.
Yeah, though I also feel like Lancer would mostly field Goblins.

>>530466193
No, the whole weird route is hot as fuck and unironically right up Noelle's alley
I won't deny she's in a sort of trance due to the ring, but deep inside there's a part of her that is 100% enjoying the entire experience, wildly fluctuating emotions and all

>>530466716
Yeah. And also she spent the last few years of her tender just sitting around watching anime and posting on social media. Her getting fired is pretty sensible. Honestly DR Alphys has the right idea, she could probably make a decent teacher. That or maybe just specialize in the engineering part of it and cut the medical work.

>>530466556
AAAAAAAAAAAAGH

>>530463382
fake and gay
for one, toby doesn't play saxophone

ralsei pussy

>>530466941
he opens a fountain in the convenience store

>>530466884
The way I took it is that the DT extractor and some of the early idea were Gaster, but based on the notes she very much was the one performing them and injecting it into the monsters.
Gaster may have also done something similar, but his creations might have gotten fucked out of space time like he did.

>>530466716
>She didn't get explicity consent from all parties as to what she was constituting
Asgore asked for bodies of monsters that had fallen down to be used for experimentation and that's what they were used for
A lot of what happened was fucked up but this part was on the level

>>530466519
The page strongly implies this is a weird route-exclusive track. This likely plays in the light world section of the Chapter, which perhaps contains the festival. Carol says Noelle wants to see Kris at the festival in the weird route.
The dark world section is probably Asgore's home. The building hasn't been fully explored yet; there's a locked double door.

Good night, anons. Have a lovely day!

>>530465029
She was a total fraud who only accidentally stumbled on her results and was a liar, she was lucky to only be fired and not exiled or worse.

>>530464750
>>530463178
Does Ramb have some stupid regional dialect in japanese?

>>530466885
GOLD (GOLD)
Always believe in your SOUL
You've got the power to know
You're indestructible

>>530467190
it's not toby, it's a shadowguy

>>530467084
>Dinosaur fetish.
I mean, fair, but I think the desire to be a goatman would trump Asriel and Dess Clockwork Orange-in scalie smut into Kris' brain.

>>530466963
Kris is probably a natural-born human. Goner Hand theory explains how Kris has Vessel-like capabilities without needing to be born soulless.

>>530464606
Kris clearly didnt listen since all the other monsters know Kris is a pussy

What if your reward for the weird route was getting the privilege of starting NG+ as Noelle since your soul takes root in her.

>>530464886
>Your

>>530466275

>>530467448
fuckk mannnn

>>530466029
Blaady wewcome, m8 (putting on a London accent even though I'm from the Norf)

>>530466037
>Kris
Lizardmen absolutely
>Susie
Ogre Kingdoms actually, they're big eaters
>Ralsei
Ralsei would be liked at the local scene, but nevertheless disparaged for insisting that Chaos can be good and presenting lovingly-decoated models of nice Daemons
>Berdley
He goes through High Elf and Dark Elf phases
>Noelle
Secret Dark Elf collection, but she mains Bretonnia

>Catti
Vampire Counts
>Jockington
He doesn't know how to build an amy and uses random models, everyone else just humous him
>Pizzapants
.... Dwarves.
>Catty and Bratty
Neither of them will admit it, but they both quite like Empire Wizards and have a few minis

>>530467314
Night night, sleep well

>>530464665
Undyne shouldnt have been a knight in the Dark World. If Berdly turns into a saiyan because he likes tranime, Undyne should be a chef or something

Noelle is into vore, which is part of why she crushes on Susie so hard.

>>530466340

>>530467687
she can't face the music

>>530467112
do you have that fanart of noelle on the couch moving right up to kris?

in the background of spamton's shop is a sun and clouds, is it supposed to be lanino and elnina?

tl;dr:
eat shit, faggots

>>530467687
Thanks for remindeering me

>>530467676
it's just to reflect how she was a knight in undertale

>>530466716
i'd argue her worst crime was stringing the families along after telling them 'your family member might not be dead :)'
that shit would just destroy you.

>>530467903
absolutely ruined

So how come Berdly is seen as pathetic for liking someone for knowing some gamer trivia, but we're supposed to like the Suselle shit of Noelle gushing over creepy-pastas and video game sequels and Blood Crusher

being tenna's one night stand then watching him leave by the morning after crying about his ex and drinking all my alcohol

Dess comes back home once she learns the client list no longer exists

Honest thoughts on Berdly, Catti and Jockington joining the fun gang?

>>530468046
stop that

>>530465395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY2iuJWgf28

>>530468071
They might, but it's basically certain now that the only playable characters will be Kris, Susie, Ralsei, and Noelle.

>>530468045
You know the answer anon.

This is my pet Ant.

>>530467676
undyne isn't outrageously into cooking, she just does everything FOR GREAT JUSTICE

i'd argue her biggest non-knight passion was piano

>>530466353
It's hot, I know. Ours come with an extra long top prong.

>>530466847
I wish I had been allowed to study electronics in school like I wanted, I might know what this means.

>>530467117
See, it's funny because while Alphys is probably a better middle school teacher than royal scientist, I still think she seems a bit weak when it comes to strong willed students like Berdly, Susie and Kris. Alphys needs a lot of supevision and guidance from Toriel, I think she can't cut holding power or authority. Which is why everyone she fancies has it in spades.

>>530468071
I might have liked it earlier on, now I feel like it's too late to be making big additions to the fun gang. Honestly I don't even count Noelle as part of it even though many people seem to, she's basically not in on any of the fun gang's activities or info.

>>530465226
>There's something very unsettling about this drawing

fast forward to ch4's prophecy:

>THE ANGEL, BANISHED, WILL
>FINALLY MEET WITH ITS DESIRE.

>S:*Hey, below the words, that picture...
>S*:What the hell... is that supposed to be...?
>R:*That... that's the Angel, Susie.
>R:*What... to my understanding it actually looks like.
>S:*...(!)
>S:*I... I dunno about that, man.

NEOelle God of Hypergay?

>>530468226
>replace gaster, a vastly superior scientist
>replace gerson, a vastly superior teacher
alphys cannot catch a break

>>530465603
more like gayden

>>530465226
FINALLY somebody ELSE gets it! Kris's og soul is EVIL.

One thing to note that there seems to be a dualism going on between Kris and the Knight where Kris has trouble in the dark world (mustn't enter a dark world without a soul according to the phone) and the Knight has trouble in the light world (according to Susie).
Plus, look at these lyrics:
>Come follow me into the dark
>With your heart as the ark
>Which shall shine you the way
>Because I'm with you in the dark
>With your heart as my mark
>Which shall guide you the way,
>through the waves

>>530468357
>replace Undyne's sex toy

>>530466716
Alphys is not a medical doctor. Did she even go to monster college or was she a lab tech?

>>530467117
>years
People say this about Alphys a lot but there's no way the Amalgamates were down there for that long
It would mean that Snowy's been sitting around in the woods with some teenagers for years and that can't be right

>>530467287
You're right, I forgot that part. It is more of a failing of Asgore to not let people know what Alphys would attempt, or to keep tabs on her progress and ask for status reports, inspections, and if the patients are all vanished then ask where they are, and if they've dusted then have them disposed properly - if she's disposed of them then she should be fired on the spot.

Since Asgore has already abdicated power, it makes sense for chief personnel such as Alphys to come under sharp review as well. I honestly can't remember what happens to Undyne in True Pacifist, does she keep her job?

>>530468326
>* (It's an angel doll.)
>* (Its lack of facial features is unsettling.)

>>530468537
Because the Knight is Kris's soul in Dess's fucked up body, and we are in Kris's old body + parts from the vessel.
It just makes sense.

>>530467545
>Fleshbeck
Metal ASF

>>530468226
basically you have two types of plugs.
two-terminal plugs that just complete the circuit and three terminal plugs.
the bigger one in the middle is the P.E. ground.

if shit goes awryin your machine and input and output don't match, it goes out the P.E. as a physical protection from surges, spikes or critical failures.
it can literally save you from burning down your house.

so when engaging or disengaging electronics, its not necesary but good that your P:E. disengages before your plus and minus terminals.
as a matter of a fact that is how i construct my machines - that even if i were to throw it on the street at full voltage and have a car drive over it that most cables rip out before the P.E. that is bolted to the chassis comes loose last that even in a case of malicious inflicted violence, the greatest source of danger is the shrapnel from the car hitting it instead of an electrical induced injury.

basically the design of the plug is pretty high IQ.

>>530468630
Maybe? Its kinda unclear how long she's been doing that job. Metatton was also made by her, and he's been famous long enough to have like, an entire media empire.
A small one, considering the smaller population, but I would imagine it had to have been at least over a year.

>>530468573
i looked into this a while back when writing my mettaton fanfic and there is fuck all information. the best we know is that she used to live on the same street as bratty and catty

>>530468701
>we possess her soon
>she tilts her head down and her sprite will have shadowed out eyes.
>this unsettles kris

>>530468918
kris.... nooooooooooooo

>>530468918

>>530468918
no kris... don't copy what dess did to you...

>>530468918
>susie turns into a kid
>kris' hair immediately goes full hentai protag
goddamn man even your mop's exposing you

>>530468789
I wonder what the endgame of Goner Hand is if it's correct. Will we be able to cut the hand off, separate the parts of Kris' body that are the Vessel's from the parts that belong to them, and fight them like that? What's going to happen to Kris when they are left without a soul in the dark world?

I genuinely think Kris can survive for a while with the soul outside of them and be relatively fine (for someone without their soul)
The existence of this and the clarification
>EVEN AFTER DEATH
Implies that humans regularly are able to remove their souls, it is a normal thing due to their determination, hell, battles also feature the soul leaving its body in deltarune. Humans just casually take their souls out.

>>530468918
>romantic/sexual interest
>"suddenly" a child
anon...

rewatching some chapter 3 playthroughs and damn tenna really can't shut up about spamton

>>530468045
We're not "supposed to see him as pathetic for liking XYZ". It's the way Berdly ~thinks it makes him *superior* for liking them~ that makes him an annoying twat. His attempted elitism and misguided ways of trying to relate to people and form inclusions and exclusions earmarks him as an arrogant and annoying person that we are happy to see suffer.

I don't think Berdly is that bad, but if the gang were the cast of Hot Fuzz, he'd be David for sure.

I swear it feels like I'm the only american gotefag here
And I'm not even a pure gotefag, I'm a kralseifag

>>530468045
Because she has a vagina and chuds love bland, blonde vagina-havers

>>530468430
I think if Kris's original soul leaves the Knight body it will end up inhabiting Omega Ice-E. That's why theres all this blue dog imagery with Kris and the violent incident with Dess where the box was buried with burnt eyes

>>530467580
Do Asriel and Dess, anon

>>530468861
Things seem to move fast in the Underground when there's something actually happening, Frisk is there for only a day and already the entire nation adores them and is willing to stand up to the king for them
The memorial fountain at the MTT resort even says
>* (Mettaton Added Last Week)

>>530466914
I think Ogre Kingdom or Beastmen makes more sense since Lizardmen are very order focused.

>Ralsei just paints everyone's miniatures for them
Could see that.

>Chaos Warriors are JOCKS. He would play high elves.
Either that or he would just metachase to pretend to be good at the game.

>>530469203
>We're not "supposed to see him as pathetic for liking XYZ". It's the way Berdly ~thinks it makes him *superior* for liking them~ that makes him an annoying twat. His attempted elitism and misguided ways of trying to relate to people and form inclusions and exclusions earmarks him as an arrogant and annoying person that we are happy to see suffer.
I get the feeling you horribly misread the whole scene where Berdly finds out Susie played the same videogames as him, because that's precisely right after the moment Berdly admits he's been a jerk and treated them unfairly and that's his great "Wait... Susie, you're actually like me!" moment. That he still gets humiliated for.

>>530469208
I like kralsei as well but I do not talk about it because it gets too faggy in here for my liking

>>530469142
Kris being able to take out and absorb human souls is probably the result of grafting Vessel parts onto themselves. The hand they use is probably the goner hand. Perhaps one possible outcome is that they are just stuck with us if they lose that hand.

>>530469187
It's pretty sad honestly

Fave weeps bitterly because they will never have a big booty.

>>530469208
Here in Europe we fuck our government issued goats every sunday morning

>>530468537
The waves are air waves btw
The knight may actually be able to travel through signals or at least talk through them (the Garbage noise, TV static, Kris's phone)

>>530469413
I mean, that might be why specifically they can do it with a soul that isn't their natural soul, but I think humans can just casually take our their own soul and be fine. Kris' possible vessel connections is why they can contain a soul not their own and have it count as their own, even if it isn't really.

>>530469463
it's okay fave, you look better with a petite posterior anyway

>>530468357
In a really bad timeline, I can see Alphys becoming a full Grima Wormtongue to some evil power-psychopath who wants a brainslave. She is weak and temptible, and could be easily cowed into doing heinous experiments for deluxe early access to Mew Mew The Mewvie VII before it hits theatres.

Whereas best timeline for Alphys.... running the library at a cat cafe? She's consistent good at feeding pets, for sure, and she can study and archive knowledge in peace.

>>530469489
sounds pretty middle-easterm to me if not eurasian turkic.

>>530469187
>tfw the breaking of the schizoboss formula means Spamton will never be surpassed as a character.
>tfw FRIEND will probably be heavily tied to Spamton like Tenna was

>>530468918
Undyne wouldn't be able to stop me

>>530467454
Yeah, beastmen would make a lot of sense as well considering his hang-ups. Asriel would 100% play Lizardmen though.

>>530467580
>Ogre Kingdoms actually, they're big eaters
Honestly embarrassed I didn't pick that one.

>He goes through High Elf and Dark Elf phases
Could also see him being into Tzeentch but I don't think they ever had a dedicated army.


>Neither of them will admit it, but they both quite like Empire Wizards and have a few minis
They are damn nice for D&D, so that works.

>>530469463
He's got those Dreemurr genes doe
>>530469489
Can confirm

>>530468925
>Alphys, Bratty and Catty
>all three show up in both games with connections to the science/occult elements
>ABC
>recurring letters and anagrams in both games
WHAT DOES IT MEAN

Finally got to the deflowering scene in chapter 4.
Anyone got that "You can't un-rape the doe" image, now that I have proper context?

>>530468573
Honestly I can't remember. Gonna throw my hands up and say "let the wiki decide" on that one, it's been a long day for me. I thought she accepted people for care and was called Dr. Alphys at one point but beats me. The broad point about furthering the good cause of medicine loosely applies in general.

>>530468357
>replace gaster, a vastly superior scientist
Gaster couldn't break the barrier and ran away into another dimension to make video games, Alphys created Flowey as a vessel to harness monster SOULs and break the barrier and that's exactly what he did

>>530469685
Ok fujocel

>>530468071
Seems too late. Still, could be fun.

Domestic violence and Chara go together like knives and butter

>>530469572
>the knight is an astral projection

>>530468214
Undyne is Tobys self insert? Who is the fat nerd that Toby dated?

>>530469850
the fuck even is that

>>530468828
See I knew the top prong was the ground, but I have no idea what P.E. means. (except for Physical Education lol).

>>530469685
The tradition was passed on to us through the silk road

#TrueAndReal

The people that bitched about the flower image say that Kris was performing heteronormative abuse towards Noelle...even though Kris is a they/them and for all we know could be a girl.
Doesn't that say a lot about the people complaining about the rose imagery?

>>530469916
Indeed.
https://writebin.surge.sh/fics/HWwquDD5.txt

>>530469916
Insert Lesbian abuse rate joke here.

>>530469712
I actually enjoy Spamton has kept a relative importance in future chapters.
>Was a huge driving force in TV World's history and part of what led Tenna to being like he is
>On the weird route, his direct fucking with destiny and giving Kris the thorn ring ends up circling around and changing everything
While him and Jevil are both schizos, I think it highlights the importance in their differences. Jevil was content to lock out the world once he learned the truth of it all. While Spamton ended up driving himself mad to rage against it, and no matter what end it comes to it ends up killing him. Kinda I mean he still can show up whenever I guess but eh.

>>530469187
Speaking of those topics, I was rewatching a playthrough and caught that during this meltdown Tenna had at his employees, he basically gives an answer to the “did Tenna genuinely not recognize spamton or pretended not to recognize him” debate. Tenna really didn’t recognize spamton

>>530469916
Domestic violence? That just looks like True Love. Frisk's just overstimulated from it all.

>>530469208
Nah I'm american too
And I will fuck any gote that is thrown at me
Asriel, Ralsei, Toriel
They will all fall to human cock

>>530469393
It's Berdly having someone genuinely try to connect to him and comfort him and then getting so amped up for the gamer girl part that's funny
Like surely you can see how that's different from talking about movies as an icebreaker

>>530470032

>>530470008
nobody says this

>>530469302
well, mettaton only recently took over that apartment to turn it into his hotel, so recently there are still people living in it

in my estimation it's been at least a year. we go from mettaton built> alphys starts experiments ->alphys fucks up big -> mettaton now a BIG SHOT -> alphys stews in her own depression for a long time

it's also implied flowey has just been waiting around quite a while before you show up.

>>530469287
>Asriel.
Lizardmen. But will mostly use proxied Yoshi figures.

>Dess
Chaos Dwarves.

>>530467112
>Both Noelle and Kris survive the end of the Weird Route and have to live with the shame that they kinda liked it in the moment
Maybe that's what spamton meant

>>530469916
this is the sorta shit that makes me not respect anyone who ships chara with non-(You) characters

>>530470008
I think you're really annoying and that you should kill yourself

>>530468045
Berdle chases after whatever he can project his ideal of a gamer girl onto. Noelle chases after whatever makes her dick hard. They are not the same.

>>530470008
I say this

>>530469838
Gaster didn't care to break the barrier because he doesn't care what Asgore or monster society want from him. He could just have left the Underground with the device Sans and Papyrus used to come from the Deltarune world. He can straight up summon a human soul.

>>530469208
Pure American, Sage of Goat Lore

>>530470019
>Primordial Ch1fag
You can use a good site to post your greens. May I introduce you to rentry.com as that has basic formatting for your greens if needed and not motherfucking writebin.surge

>>530469930
sometimes you give your own traits to your characters just to be self indulgent. i know i do

>>530469393
See, that scene is progress for Berdly.... but his behaviour is still unbelievably cringe. Rather than liking Susie for being a good friend, hardworking, brave, self-sacrificing, protecting others, putting herself in danger for a good cause etc.. he's instead whiplashing from "ew, SUSIE" to "OOOHHHHH MY GODDESSSS mwah mwah" because of one video game? This is clueless stuff, and essentially a symptom of Berdly worshipping his own taste moreso than liking Susie for any intrinsic traits. It's unsurprising that Berdly continues to be cringe thereafter, even whiling having improved in certain respects like resisting Queen and rallying together the Darkners, all cool stuff which he could have done earlier if he wasn't a prat for so long.

11 more months
11 more months
11 mo

>>530470096
>Like surely you can see how that's different from talking about movies as an icebreaker
No, I genuinely can't see what's funny about Berdly seeing an interest in gaming as a point to connect through with Noelle seeing an interest in gaming as a point to connect through. Berdly's scene was MORE emotional and poignant than Noelle's, yet it's only taken as a mood killing joke for Berdly. It's not even the moment Berdly declares he now likes Susie, that's after, so it's not like he said something outrageous, he just said "Oh shit we're not that different".

>>530470483
>"OOOHHHHH MY GODDESSSS mwah mwah"
Like Noelle?

>>530467112
Fact: You cannot put someone into a hypnotic trance unless they want to fall into a trance.

>>530470071
>ex-husband doesn't recognize you but at least he's taking care of your daughter
i'm scared the "i'm never doing that again" line from spamton is literal and they'll never talk again. please toby................

>>530467543

>>530467112
that shit's like 1% trance 99% noelle, don't know why everyone pins it on the trance
seriously she doesn't even have the ring on for most of the shit she does in the snowgrave route, she didn't exactly have it on when she turned an addison into a snowglobe

>>530470483
Half of the reason he likes susie is because she accepts him, retard

>>530470008
>heteronormative abuse
what the fuck is this schizobabble

>>530469287
>Asriel
A very vanilla-to-devout Chuch of Sigmar-leaning Empire player, with Toriel's approval (if not taste)
>Dess
Chaos Fucking Warriors. Amazingly painted.
>Asgore
Wood Elves, mostly Dryads and Ents

>>530470086
>ralsei when you pet the even his most platonic place

>>530470542
I would love for Ch 5 to be early 2026 but with how utterly sluggish the dev team is I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being much later. What's the status on 6 and 7 anyways? I don't think I've heard anything about them, I can only hope they take less time to come out.

>>530470080
Frisk is such a manipulative piece of shit. She lets herself be beaten and raped because she knows that afterwards Chara will calm down, start apologizing, and comfort her

What if the Dark Worlds are more real than the Light Worlds?
"This would suggest that everything at the macroscopic level—or, strictly, everything available to perception—is regarded as unreal."
The Dark Worlds are reality with our perceptions removed- without the light, we can see what the world really is. What ralsei says is us hearing and seeing things isn't actually illusion or imagination, it's truth.

>>530470157
>>530470649
actually, people really do say this
I've seen several people (mostly on xitter) say the weird route is "forcing queer characters into a heteronormative relationship"

>>530470749
I think all he said was "we're working on it" so 2030 minimum

>>530470483
>See, that scene is progress for Berdly.... but his behaviour is still unbelievably cringe.
Anon that's like, the one scene in the game where Berdly is acting fully serious and opening himself up and being the most vulnerable he ever is.

>>530470775
Toriel doting on her gay son-in-law is just <3

>>530470870
But for that premise to be correct, Kris would have to be a male, and so they're choosing to ignore facts that are stated in the game, and their narrative immediately falls apart if the person self-inserts as a female kris that's lesbian hypno-domming Noelle

>>530467112
>>530470614
She doesn't like the ways that she's weak/passive and she likes the feeling of being strong that snowgrave gives her
She also clearly has unresolved feelings for kris

However, clearly getting stronger in that way feels really uncomfortable for her. She schizes out the entire time you're making her be violent and she has nightmares afterwards too

>>530470569
I was just thinking that Tenna's whole character is about moving on from the past and accepting that things will never be like they were. I don't think Toby's going to give us a good ending between them. I hope I'm wrong though.

>>530471110
stop posting this

>>530470870
people that say "heteronormative abuse" are faggots that seem to have less problem with the fact that its abuse but moreso that it's abuse that overrides her faggotry.
words like "gay erasure" is thrown around in similar circles.

you say "people" say that, but i don't think we should make "people" like that feel like they are part of the same species.

>>530470761
"Theophrastus, who gives us the most thorough report of Democritus’ theory, criticizes it for raising the expectation that the same kinds of atoms would always cause similar appearances. However, it may be that most explanations are directed towards the normal case of a typical observer, and that a different account is given as to the perceptions of a nontypical observer, such as someone who is ill."
* You sought to return the dream.
* But the lighting of the mind has changed. At best you can only see another side.

>>530471110
keep posting this

>>530471084
>Claims she can say no to Kris.
>Spends the entire Snowgrave route being unable to say no.

>>530470749
imagine making a chapters worth of work only for toby to throw it all in the garbage

>>530470159
Snowdrake running away from home for over a year still sounds weird to me so I don't think we're gonna be able to agree on this
That being said a lot of the timeline weirdness I'm willing to chalk up to Undertale just working by fairytale rules, which is also why everyone kind of gets off easy at the end and it turns out the Amalgamates became a lot more coherent when reunited with their families so don't even worry about it

>>530465521
Misogyny, unironically. Notice the sheer amount of attention and love the male villains get despite it being pretty universally agreed that Queen is consistently the funniest character in the game. It's the tumblr sexyman brainrot, where women have no place. Notice how there's no such thing as a tumblr sexywoman. Nerds of all stripes have always been weird about women, and this is just more of that.

>>530467112
>>530470250
>Noelle says she couldn't sleep last night
>Told Kris it was because of bad dreams
>In truth she was up all night imagining the most depraved shit she could cook up
>One heart-shaped pillow is absolutely SOAKED in deer juices
>It's going to be like this every night
>Carol won't sleep well for months

>>530470775
>heart shades
who wore them better?

>>530465602
wasnt there a fully colored version of the bottom half of this

>>530469127
I don't think the hand is bad, I think the hand and the body are starting to have their own opinions and thoughts, the vessel has it's own "soul" forming, like how Ralsei is.

>>530471110
don't listen to >>530471147
keep posting it my ninny.

for greater´justice.

>>530471137
i don't think spamton is getting one, but tenna probably can. If he's going to touch on their relationship again and give us the option to make up....only time will tell

>>530469712
>my favourite philosopher as Spamton
Neat

>>530469730
I think Asriel wants to play Lizardmen, but KNOWS that Toriel is watching him so keeps to Empire to play it safe. It's just like his favourite character in Super Smashing Fighters.

>Berdly as Tzeentch
Here's the best way I can put it: Berdly's self image at the start of Deltarune is a hot young Lord of Change who could also out-casanova a Herald of Slaanesh. But he's not smart (or hot) enough for these roles, and in general is more on the side of order than chaos. I can imagine him buying a Tzeentch amy, losing 9 games on the trot with it, and then swearing to never play Tzeentch again. His blue bird appearance is sort of a symbolic red herring.

>Catty and Bratty DnD campaign
I'd love it, they'd definitely play with Azzy, Pizzapants and Nicecream Guy.

We just have to remember to post "YOUR TAKING TO LONG" pumpkin everyday starting January 2nd 2026.

>>530470008
>>530470649
I've seen someone call the use of a ring in the weird route heteronormative before Chapter 3 was even released.
Some people just want to have it both ways.

=)

>>530469127
I want to see the goner hand get replaced by a Gaster Blaster it'd be cool

>>530471169
they actually like how the weird route does it because it plays it for horror and explicitly shows it as a bad thing

>>530471203
Yeah, that's something about herself she doesn't like
She basically says that outright during the ferris wheel ride with susie

Does anybody have the tenna bpd pic?

>>530465521
I like her but she didn't do anything in chapters 3-4. You also don't see me posting Jevil every thread even though I like him more than Spamton.

Been feeling like absolute shit these last few days, got the flu or a summer cold or some shit;-;

>>530471373
Do we ever see both of Ralsei's hands?
I've believed he might be the discarded vessel

>>530471203
Well to be fair it's not really Kris it's Me from Real Life apparently using Kris's hidden desire to make her kill Berdly or whatever
That's fun though, isn't it? Taking the one person Noelle thought she could trust and talk back to and turning them into her slavemaster, you don't get to be that delightfully evil in many video games

>the use of a ring
And they hate marriage

The thing that scares me most is Toby saying after chapter 5 he needs another Gamemaker update to do what he needs to do.

That could easily add years onto what could have been a 2030 release date.

I hope Toby commits and lets us replace Kris

>>530471181
Going off of this btw because none of his actual works survived: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/democritus/#4

>Democritus regarded the soul as composed of one kind of atom, in particular fire atoms. This seems to have been because of the association of life with heat, and because spherical fire atoms are readily mobile, and the soul is regarded as causing motion.
>But the fact that atoms are not perceptible means that our knowledge of their properties is always based on analogy from the things of the visible world. Moreover, the senses report properties that the atoms don’t really possess, like colors and tastes. Thus the potential for doubt about our knowledge of the external world looms large.
These both feel like Toby read about Atomism and incorporated it into his worldbuilding. Dark-Worlds are atoms, and light causes us to percieve them as regular objects. The Light World is analagous to The Dark World, just as our perception is analagous to atomic reality in atomism.

>>530471646
>pic
when you think about it, Deltarune has a lot of similarities to Twin Peaks

>>530471389
Pls Toby. Unless he's being a fuck and by giving Tenna to Mettaton he's able to move on and then they can't make up in the end.

>>530470159
>Humans start a war because they fear the potential of monsters with a human soul
This always feels like monster-written propaganda to me. Monsters may be very nice but I don't see humans unleashing a genocide/expulsion because of a mere potential. There'd have to be an inciting incident like a monster actually obtaining a human soul and then attacking and killing many people for humans to take action, and it would have to be with the backing of monsterkind for humans to decided that slaughter was the only option.

Alternatively, I could see humans genociding monsters out of pure distaste. That would suck but it figures, many monsters are grotesque or frightening.

>>530471573
We do, they're white and he shapeshifts.
I've seen people who said he's Kris's shirt.

>>530466897

>>530471737
What does "becoming darker" symbolize then? What about Titans?

>>530471285
you know, i heard passing kidney stones is worse than childbirth and i think you deserve to feel that once for being that dumb.

how dare you make me read all that and have it be this IQ draining.

>>530471696
Don't worry, if the Gamemaker motherfuckers don't instantly make the update then they'll be skinned alive by rabid fans.

>>530471881
>There'd have to be an inciting incident
It's been literally years since I've played undertale, but isn't that literally what happens with asriel/chara?

>>530471415
>I can imagine him buying a Tzeentch amy, losing 9 games on the trot with it, and then swearing to never play Tzeentch again.
I honestly don't know how hard Tzeentch armies are to play in Warhammer Fantasy Battle. But going by 40K and AoS, that would 100% be him.

>I'd love it, they'd definitely play with Azzy, Pizzapants and Nicecream Guy.
>Pizzapants would spend the entire item complaining they aren't playing First edition but secretly really enjoy it.
>Every character Azriel tries to play just turns into a Paladin.
>Nicecream guy is just happy to be there.
Sounds like a good itme.

>>530472021
I wish I could IQ drain Noelle

>Kid Kris
Beastmen

>Kris
Chaos Warriors or Chaos Dwarves (picking armies Dess played)

>>530471881
>but I don't see humans unleashing a genocide/expulsion because of a mere potential
There's been genocides for less
There was probably some kind of inciting incident but if a monster really got that power and used it to kill more people that snowballs into godhood way too quickly to have ended in the monsters losing

>>530471976

>>530468789
It's the other way around, Dess's soul was trapped in the depths and then it stole our vessel. At the same time Kris and Catti tried summoning a demon. Our soul got knocked out of the Vessel (Now Dessel) and flew into the opening that Kris and Catti had poked through the depths. Kris had a goner hand already, and as a result, our soul was able to enter them through that hand.

>>530471825
I have a feeling we'll be able to give tenna to other lightners too, if not, i wonder what end tenna will have if we keep him in castle town. Maybe keeping him in the town will make him enjoy the other's darkners company? will castle town even be standing by chapter 7 so the recruits get a happy ending? if that happens, will spamton come out again and talk to tenna?
I wonder if the ship being this popular made toby a little more aware of their future interactions....

>be carol
>come home from a long day of being an ice-cold bitch and making sure Rudy is too dehydrated to leave the hospital once his broken pelvis finally heals (it won't)
>The lights are off
>There's a horrible wailing
>You know this...
>Grab auxillary katana from kitchen
>Prepare for combat
>Your daughter's door opens
>A fetid wave of animalistic scents wafts out, almost like a visible fog
>the air is cold, and the sounds of hooves clack down the halls
>the bathroom door clicks shut, and you hear the shower running
>You think it's finally over, then the wailing starts along with a rhythmic thudding
>You keep the katana and venture up to her room
>With your trusty tool, you stab the latest sacrifice, another pillow, still dripping and with clear friction burns across the surface
>Into the trash it goes
>the ninth this week.
>You go to clear her browser history again
>And forward some more cash to Asgore to keep him quiet on the very obvious pile of wet plush he's going to have to burn in the morning

>>530470870
I think when they say heteronormative... it is kinda just the use of a buzzword. They mean how it plays on the trope of the Knight getting with the Princess. Noelle is a princess in a way, Queen is her mother figure, she gets locked into a castle and has to be saved, all that, and Kris literally wears knight armor.
They say heteronormative because usually in these stories it is a boy knight and a girl princess but that is kinda misconstruing what the actual point is, that it plays on a level of tropishness, in a story all about subverting tropes, breaking fate, instead we force two people together because "That is what their roles demands", the knight gets the princess.
The use of "Heteronormative" is just because the UTDR fandom is brainfucked

seam is making the Shadow Ring, which will allow Kris to control and/or kill darkners for realsies depending on the route. gerson knows that the Shadow Crystals arent to be fucked with, because he wrote Lord of the Hammer, but Seam? seam didnt read shit, and is calabrimbor-ing himself into making Kris a sauron-like

>>530471512
no happy ending for straights in tobysoft games.
gays together = quirky
straight or you with someone = scawwy.

roaring cant come fast enough.

>>530471589
It is fun because of how personal it is. Slaughtering randos in games like Postal or GTA, or even billions in games like Stellaris, just lacks that personal touch of very personally being a complete bastard to this innocent deer girl.

>>530471110
>Chara's hands in the 2nd to last panel
I FUCKING NEEEEEEEEEED IIIIIT! GOD THIS WHOLE COMIC IS SO FUCKING HOT WHY CAN'T THAT BE ME!!?!?!??!?! FRISK IS JUST A PACKAGE OF BLOOD AND BONES THAT SHOULD BE LIVING AT TORIEL'S. I'M THE ONE WHO STOOD BY CHARA'S SIDE THROUGH HELL AND HEAVEN! I'M THE FUCKER WHO SOLD THEIR SOUL TO BE AT CHARA'S SIDE! NOT FRISK! AHHHHHHH!!!

do NOT post kris's nonbinary ass

>>530471285
spot on.

>>530471881
>>530472171
humans have the most potential. a child can get strong enough to destroy a timeline. there's no way humans even gave that much of a shit about monsters.

>>530472165
I can definitely see that. In particular I can see Kris starting with Beastmen for obvious reasons, and then making the shift into full on Chaos Warriors while stepping more into a knightly role.

Holy FUCK, I just realized, Kris IS the Archaon of Deltarune.

>>530471280
i guess he could have couchsurfed. but yeah it does run on fairytale logic.

>>530471285
if we had some damn genderswap art all this would be fixable.

>>530465521
She’s a joke character. Sure she’s hot and entertaining but she doesn’t really have much “deepest LORE” autism surrounding her. It’s the same reason why papyrus isn’t as popular as sans despite being pretty well liked

>>530471528
Yknow, that one listing the symptoms along with some examples of tenna doing em

>>530472021
Except there is indeed no such thing as a tumblr sexywoman. Female characters just aren't celebrated to the same degree as male ones. This is a known fact, dude.

>>530472329
How the fuck is humanity even remotely stable outside of monster village if a random child can end the world

>>530472250
>straight
Every Kris ship is queer so we can have our cake and eat it too

>>530472301
I'll post HIS ASS INSTEAD, DIO!

>>530472186
New theory: Kris doesn't want to save Dess like the others. Kris wants to be like Knight Dess.

>>530472247
It's the pure crystal, dummy. we see it in the fuse menu.

>>530472130
she is already pretty stupid.
>fahaha remember when you came to my window, completely dissheveled and besides yourself and told me how you were sorry about everything and the ntold me that berdly was going to be fine and then told me to not mention ANY of this again?
>but i will totally mention all that again
>fahaha its okay its just us! who else will listen?

ME

at this point she just wants to piss me off.

>>530465521
look at all the ralsei fanart that gets posted here
I'll then give you two guesses
Also I've literally never seen anyone say they like king

>>530470870
How is it heteronormative if kris is supposedly non-binary?

>>530472453
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DON'T POST ANY MORE!!!!!!

>>530470551
>Like Noelle?
Nope, Noelle likes Susie because a) she fancies her body, b) she has an attraction to scary things for deep psychological reasons to do with conquering her past traumas and such, but also most importantly c) because Susie, rude and crude she may be, is still ultimately rather nice and not a preening dick. Nelle's obsession with Susie isn't entirely healthy but it isn't cringe.

>>530470632
Everyone accepts Berdly. This was Susie's whole point, you don't need to be Mr. Smartslord the First to be liked or welcomed. Berdly misread that and has decided to pedestalise Susie, which is an improve but still a mistake.
>retard
This reveals a touched nerve, implying an undue attachment to Berdly as a character. May I suggest some self reflection on fiction? I ship Suselle, but can happily admit the dynamic has all sorts of issues without calling you a mongoloid cumswiller.

>>530472195
>It's the other way around, Dess's soul was trapped in the depths and then it stole our vessel
Dess's soul still communicate to us over the phone and in the files can't be her soul, we also don't have monster souls.

>>530472551
They ignore that and pretend Kris is male. So it's their own biases speaking

>>530472464
>Kris isn't trying to save Dess, Kris is trying to join her and live forever more in the Dark World to escape the horrible lightner life.
Well fuck me, I can see that being a thing actually.

>>530471881
monsters are ugly and scary and are almost all homosexuals, that's enough reason to angry mob them.

>>530472032
no asriel was born after the fall

>>530472421
that's the problem. toby didn't think about it. one child can solo the entirety of monster kind and get strong enough to delete the timeline.
toby forgot that there are MANY out there and never gave an explanation for humanity's insane potential or even what humans do with all that power.

>>530472438
as hideous kojima once famously said:
>people ask me for more diverse representation but they forget that all my games have gay representaiton with you as the player.

>>530472329
>child can get strong enough to destroy a timeline
What are you talking about? You mean (you)? The outer god who is the only reason shit happens in UT? Stop being a scapegoating coward faggot.

>>530472015
Becoming Darker than Dark is removing all light and allowing us to see reality.
The reason Darkners will turn to stone once the roaring happens, meanwhile everything else is covered in darkness, is because the darkners are the only real things, and without any light, no one will be able to percieve them.
Democritus states that color, temperature, and appearance of atoms is percieved, based on commonly agreed upon ideas of what the atoms should look like, without people to percieve the darkners, there is no idea of what they SHOULD be. They solidify into absolute reality.
I don't know how to fit titans into this, though the fact they're described as "The bump in the night" and such makes me think that they're perception based on nothing, made up of what our minds make up, based on nothing.

>>530472212
>I wonder if the ship being this popular made toby a little more aware of their future interactions....
I think this might be our only saving grace. Throwing in an option to give them a happily ever after even if he didn't originally intend for it.

>>530472589
>Everyone accepts Berdly
He believes their acceptance is based on his claimed intelligence, because the only form of validation he's ever had is after beating noelle when she had a panic attack at spelling her missing sister's name
The game hits you in the face with this like a brick retard
retard retard faggot dumbass retard

out there, a tenna plush already exists

Is this a coincidence or was this the inspiration for spamton. Promo poster for a song by the garden from 2016

>>530472715
Having enough determination allows you to, canonically, control the timeline for the area. Flowey did it and then Frisk fell down, allowing them to overwrite Flowey's control.

>>530472610
>you call kris a he
>twittards mad
>kris rapes noelle
>kris' a he
curious.
never saw a woman souljaculating inside of another woman.

>>530472214
>every damn time she has to clean up she bemoans the angel taking the wrong child
>mostly because it's been long enough she can't remember the pain in the ass that was cleaning up after dess and her... THING for the dreemurr child
>he does make for a good sparring partner now at least
>lord knows no one here can handle a battle other than him and officer undyne
>go to bed praying the roaring starts soon enough so she can finally show off her skills with The Blade™
>...
>phone's ringing
>the knight wants another delivery of kris plushies
>...she was NOT this demanding before she got all edgy, right?

>>530472814
I must have it.

>>530470960
The preceding scene was this, where he admits his frail self image and the false desperation he's engaged in to create and maintain high status. But in doing so, he's only admitting to all the behaviours that make him a convincingly unpleasant person, and which have only marginally improved. Susie's response flew most over his head, resulting in "Susie accepts me, she's an angel, also being ignorant on purpose is good" and not "I should stop parasiting and putting up calculated fronts to look good, and instead just chill out and be a good friend".

Berdly is getting there, don't worry about it. I hope he's playable at some point, but he's still very much c to the r to the i to the nge.

>>530472518
I mean, I'm kind of sympathetic
Like imagine your best friend had been missing for years, and suddenly they show up and start hanging out with you again but say that you can never bring up the past

>>530472582
I REJECT YOUR NONBINARISM, JOTARO

>>530471446

>>530472391
>but she doesn’t really have much “deepest LORE” autism surrounding her
She's got all the baseball stuff associated with Dess which makes it more likely that she's "the girl" who played make believe with Kris
She's also doing her plan to try and make Noelle "Realize Her Own Strength" and on the Weird Route talks about Noelle having "Awakened Too Much" and how she needs to "Close Her Eyes And Sleep Away To A Darker, Darker Dream"
That's pretty crazy stuff isn't it

>>530472223
I agree with this a lot, it's very clear when you take a step back and analyze the entire game that the endgame is gonna rely heavily on knowledge of tropes. The moment Gerson dropped "The Dragon" for Susie was the moment everything clicked. Weird Route is kinda like a sequence-break under this assumption, where flags are being triggered all around the game in ways the narrative isn't prepared for. Characters die early, end-game level weapons are obtained in unintended ways, temporary party members stick around for key moments they shouldn't be there for, etc.

Kris is the most lesbian coded character of the game

>>530470963

>>530473019
>frisk is a weirdo
>chara is just weird
>and kris?
>kris is autistic

>>530473031
You just listed Noelle and Dess lore, not Queen lore.

>>530472986
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOPPPP THEIR ASS IS OVERPOWERING MEE

>>530472391
>she doesn’t really have much “deepest LORE”
Eh, there's her mysterious relationship with King. That's something. Kinda. Yeah okay, you're right. She's too straightforward for the theory schizos to latch on to.

>>530473036
If it was a real sequence break, the game would either crash or nobody acknowledges the shit that has happened

>>530472542
I think a King rematch is possible in both routes, but for different reasons.

In the normal route, he's been biding his time and escapes during chapter 5 or 6, pushing Susie's promise to Lancer not to kill his dad to its limit. On the weird route, he's one of the last lines of defense between Kris and Noelle sealing the Castle Town fountain.

>>530472518
Drain her more.

>>530472589
I'm the first anon but sorry, reading your opinions on both answers, it's clear you're applying some mad levels of double standard. You happily admit Noelle's attraction to Susie has some issues that make it into a flawed ship but "it isn't cringe", while describing Berdly's in basically the exact same way but "it is cringe in his case".

And the thing we're all questioning here is, why is Berdly's presented as cringe but Noelle's isn't? Why is Berdly just put down as a ridiculous stance to have when Noelle has basically the same but she gets long heartfelt cutscenes that are treated more seriously? I'd even say Berdly's reasons are more sincere and come from a better place, Berdly had to be torn down and thrown into his lowest moment before he finally realized Susie rulez. You can say Susie's point is that anyone could accept him but she's still the first one that reached down. Noelle doesn't even have that, Noelle's attraction for Susie has always been entirely from afar and with no knowledge up until the point where suddenly having the same tastes in media is a total game turner that makes it genuine. I'm sorry but that's just fucking unfair and an admission that not all people are born equal, some people's feelings are just inherently cringeworthy no matter how much development they go through.

>>530473207
WITH HIS ASS WE CAN ACHIEVE HEAVEN ITSELF

>>530472715
Chara "kills" (You) in the ending too, dummy.

>>530472974
its the friend she ditched many years ago.
but now she gets sentimental, disregarding a direct warning, knowing WE hear.

Why are deltarune fans like this?

Queen is entertaining but I can't really pick out any character traits I'd want to see explored or expanded upon in fanfiction. I think that's the actual problem and not the lore stuff.

>>530473360
NOOOO!!!!!! STOP!!!!! YOU'RE MAKING ME WANT TO HUFF THE SCENT OF THEIR BULGE!!!!

You know, I think I've become kind of disillusioned with Deltarune. Idk I just can't bring myself to care anymore.

Maybe it's a natural part of aging? Did anyone else felt something like that?

>>530473303
>One of the final bosses of the Weird Route is King and Queen
>Noelle casts Snowgrave on them
>Queen melts it with the fire on her chair
would be kino

>>530473223
I appreciate it though. The computer being both rational and incredibly unusual and hyper is fitting.
The way she instantly folds her plans once told about The Roaring is a great example. Her relationship with King is pretty confusing considering their dark worlds didn't co-exist. But similar issues can be brought up about Tenna and Spamton. Its almost like Darkners have some perception and way to interact even when they aren't animated.

>>530472931
>resulting in "Susie accepts me, she's an angel, also being ignorant on purpose is good"
He just accepts he might be dumber and that's not something to be ashamed of, so he makes a few jokes about being a band of dumbasses going to save the day, not that being ignorant is good. You're the one exaggerating his scenes now to make them seem more ridiculous than they were.

>>530472551
neither a believer nor a refuter. but to engage with their premise: you can't deny there is a societal charge to forcing a painful ring on the finger of a woman usually dressed in white, and forcing her to go along with your wishes and 'use her up'. that's the entire reason the ship caught on, so you can hardly start whining when someone does a literary analysis and notices the metaphor

>>530472839
You are right but attributing it to the wrong party, the one with the most determination in UT is (You). If it was truly and solely Frisk's determination and actions that did it (as you claim by giving them credit). Then why's nothing happening when I launch the game? Why must I press the KB+Mouse to talk to people? Frisk has extremely limited control, the player behind the puppet does 99% of everything (and then we have Chara as another passerby who may or may not be the narrator which all of your runs barring genocide roue where LV corrupts them to be more active). And considering we load the game post TP with our save still there even after infinite time, we can assume Frisk never had more determination than you even in absence.

>>530473451
Not your blog.

Also just take a break you gigantic fucking idiot, its a big world.

Bing Bong! Exsqueeze me!

fave-sitting

>>530473376
And yet (me) and Chara still exist in the abyss

Why are Deltarune fans... like this?

>>530473435
blessed.

>>530473303
I don't think the weird route is going to drag out that long
Or, if it does, I don't think king is going to be strong enough to be a relevant speed bump

>>530472032
Yep, my point is that if something like this happened in ancient times, but the monsters conveniently forgot to write it down, that would be nomal for how history (ie a record-keeping exercise) naturally works.

>>530472129
It's been soooooo long since I've played, but thematically Tzeentch involves lots of sorcery which is powerful but very unpredictable and requires applying the right spell at the right juncture with good timing and targetting. Tzeentch minions tend to be either mindless bots or gibbering monsters that behave like lunatics and need management. It would be too much for Berdly.

>Azzy the forever Paladin
>even that one time he agreed to play a Dark Elf Necromancer to impress Dess
>even that one time he played a Kender because Catty dared him
I miss Azzy now

>>530472931
Related to this but after the ferris wheel scene where he goes to apologize to Noelle she thinks it's because his "Smartopia" plan and all the dumb shit he did for it sucks ass, but then he basically acts as if that hadn't even occurred to talk about how he thinks she had a crush on him
The boy's got his heart in the right place but he is a dummy

>>530473435
holy based

>>530473031
a male version of queen would at least recieve the same amount of art looking after noelle, as tenna is getting of him looking after kris

>>530471696
imagine having so much pull that you can just have the devs for your game engine implement features for you specifically, for free

>>530473632
For some reason this image sent me into fight or flight and I instantly closed it.
Sorry

>>530473125
Is it fucked up that I want Toriel to both adopt Ralsei and also be his mother-in-law? I mean, when Ralsei becomes a real boy (yes when Toby won't let me down), where else would he go?

>>530473604

>>530473197
But all the fun Tenna lore is about how he got eighteen mental disorders from the divorce and that's mostly Dreemurr family lore

deltarune fans are based

>>530473905
me second from the right

>>530473905
My fucking HEROES...

What Noelle actually needs is a new mother figure. She needs a strong dominating female influence to heal her psyche. After Rudy dies, Ralsei and Susie can adopt her.

>>530473561
All I'm doing is bringing Chara back to life. They were rotten to the core themselves. The fact that Chara only manifests itself in genocide clearly tells us that they enjoy killing. Even Flowey immediately recognizes Chara if they are committing carnage in the ruins. Chara has been evil since birth

>>530473905
GOD
DAMN IT
i want to beat them up but they dont even look like a lot of EXP

i want Berdly to annoy me by rambling on about a random video game nobody cares about so i pull him into a kiss just to make him shut up

>>530471696
where'd he say this? the only thing I recall him ever saying about gamemaker updates go was already done for ch3&4...

>>530473376
He doesn't kill you. Why would he? Like he says, you two will be partners forever.

When you played Fallout 4 afterwards, murdering super mutants for exp? That was him. When you grinded mobs in Baldur Gate 3? That was him. When you massacred random mobs in Fire Emblem Three Houses to level up your students? That was him. He'll always be there, as he is the demon that comes when people call his name.

>>530473968
I don't think asgore consented

>>530472130
She’s already a blonde

monster just cant help themselves around young humans

>>530472171
Generally just small tribal exterminations over a mixture of old feuds (like generations of "they took our cows once and only gave us a chicken back, they took my daughter as a warbride, they encroach on our hunting grounds etc.) plus hard competition for living resources. Monster history makes no mention of these things.

>>530472329
This, it's so lopsided. Humans would have to have seen something like multiple monster-human fusion attacks (call them Fusion Bombings lol) to have been scared enough to take action, and if so then why were monsters stealing human souls and attacking them?

Sometimes propagandic history inverts the truth. What if monsters tried to exterminate humans first because they new how precarious living near such powerful fighters could be? Maybe monsters weren't free at the time, they were a servant caste who plotted to overthrow humankind? Many peoples avoid mentioning periods of slavey in their history out of shame.

>>530472895
>DessKnight wants kris
>Noelle wants the soul
>Carol just wants one day where air isn't saturated with deer pussy

>>530472551
The idea from the big ten paragraph essays is that you are forcing them to act Male.

>>530473442
I mostly just like the idea of her interacting with Carol.

>>530474008
Now I want to see Speedwagon come in and warn Asriel about Chara.

>>530474080
grimdark noelle in weird route with hair dyed black?

>>530474080
Blondeness is a spectrum. She hasn't even hit platinum levels yet

>>530473632
This image is my whole legacy in this board.

>>530472715
I said "Do not" and chara still destroyed the world, retard.

>>530473471
>She's nearly down in the final boss fight before you hear a gya ha ha and you realize that Susie stole Gerson's remains from the church while the player wasn't looking.
>now the real fight begins

>>530474046
UTfags are trying to convince themselves that Chara doesn't like the player and your actions.

>>530473561
Things happened before you even launched the game. Arguing game mechanics when it's a lore thing is ridiculous. It also ignores the fact that, factually, Flowey had control of the timeline due to determination which was granted to him by the power of human souls.
The narrator, or Chara, also talks about Frisk being filled with determination which is the same determination they use to resist the power of God Asriel.
Look, I get you want to want to bitch about the player as seen here >>530472715 but it's a fact that this is an ability of humans. Chara also goes on to slaughter all of the monsters that escaped, outside of your power. Again, an in-universe human child who also has the capacity to kill (You) and WILL kill (You) every time you reach their ending.

I don't really give a fuck about the player relationship and chara when, factually, these are still abilities and powers humans in-universe possessed. It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Now kith

Anyone got the "my type is kris???" fanart?

>>530474259
Chapter 7 will reveal this is literally all that happens every time Ralsei tells you to close your eyes.

>>530474227
It's funny because Chara is the only character that followed you from Undertale.

>>530474227
how else can they blame chara for making them kill spamton?

>>530474258
>>530473561
>the player relationship's with frisk*
my bad

>>530474318
>Chapter 4.
>You can literally see Ralsei sprint the fuck away as the screen goes dark and still not be back by the time it's over.

Afraid not, anon.

>>530474258
To be fair, Chara just obliterating the game the way she does is honestly not really ever mentioned in the lore. It's clearly closer to the power to reset and understand game mechanics.

i am drinking
cofe

https://x.com/TheCyVap/status/1942519675281367274

>>530473278
Yeah, and if you actually got out of bounds in The Stanley Parable, the game would fuck up and the narrator wouldn't say anything. But you can still attempt to get out of bounds through the window, and the game will still react as if you got out of bounds, because it understands what your intention was.

>>530474479
He went to check if the prophecy ahead was the no-no one and then ran back to french Kris.
Trust the process.

>>530474318
Based & true

>>530474489
>It's clearly closer to the power to reset and understand game mechanics.
It's directly tied to lore. Flowey states as much and had these powers before. Chara also uses these powers to kill all of the monsters in the endings after doing a genocide run.

>>530474493
Did Mike get it for you?

>>530474587
Ok, delete this. Delete the FUCK out of this. My god.

>>530474152
As if Carol isn't the worst offender in that house

She just gets off too fast for anyone to notice who did it so it gets blamed on the other does. It's all part of her strider bit.

>>530474535
The area outside the window still has invisible walls, so its not truly out of bounds

Kris Dreemurr, on their eighteenth free hot chocolate of the evening, suddenly screams IT'S NOT FAAAAAAIRRRR!!! I PLAY DRAGON BLAZERS TOO!!!! and begins crying in the ugliest way anyone has ever seen, sobbing "buh-buh-buh-buh-berdlyyyyyyyyyyyyy..."

>>530474651
>Flowey states as much and had these powers before.
He also never managed to get past Asgore. Chara... does.

>Chara also uses these powers to kill all of the monsters in the endings after doing a genocide run.
True. But that isn't particularly hard and generally explained by him still technically being level 20. Him blowing up the planet is more like the shit Flowey does at the end of the neutral route.

>>530474289
my name is kris
dad
I want some chocolate
kris
that is my name
kris
I want another

>>530463008
>Suzie keeps leaning back and trying to get me to taste her shampoo
I wonder how big Suzie even is. I assume Kris is in like middle school or something so he might not be full height yet.

>>530474521
vengeance across realities

>>530474329
Goner Kid said that there is a world where you don't exist. He was talking about Chara/Frisk. Our character is now Kris

>>530474368
Why are they so obsessed with proving that Chara isn't a villain? Non-evil Chara is boring as fuck.

>>530474587
This couldn't happen.
He canonically has Hank Hill ass. He will pull no bitches that aren't as fuckin dumb and unstable at the weather duo.

>>530473491
I also appreciate how whacky-but-nuanced she is. I find it interesting that a later chapter has a direct Invader Zim reference, cause I can't help but see some strong inspiration there.

>>530474587
What does the small text say

>>530474927
You dont say

hey kid.
hows your mom?

>>530474587
ROUXLS KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD

>>530473905
holy shit is that PeanutButterGamer???

>>530474815
He played Dragon Blazers too?
He played Dragon Blazers II, too?
He played Dragon Blazers III, 2, 1?

>>530473090
Please elaborate. I want to know what you have seen so I may spread it around.

>>530474318
>chapter 7
>another close your eyes scene
>can pretend to close your eyes
>this takes you to a 20 minute pov ralsei kissing scene

>>530474992
>Gaster Blaster kicks
hot damn

>>530472391
she's not a joke, she's a representation of her mother, and this should be more eye opening now that we know what Carol is.

>>530474889
Taller than you, given how she's even taller than papyrus

>>530474815
they just need the vessel to fuck them

>>530474587
>My cloacussy is ready Kris

>>530474924
>Why are they so obsessed with proving that Chara isn't a villain?
I personally just like the narrator theory. Besides, it's pretty clear you are to blame for what happens in the genocide route. Even if you think Chara was always a rotten egg, he was content to just stay dead/guide Kris until you basically get him so high on violence that stops feeling anything other than the simple joy of grinding other lives.

>>530472616
Lol. It is basically true, Monsters in UT/DR are a few steps above the residents of Halloween in The Nightmare Before Christmas. Not really bad, but a community of pure humans would probably be freaked out on running into them.

>>530472809
>the only form of validation he's ever had is after winning the spelling bee
It's the only form of validation he's ever *NOTICED*. We know nothing of Berdly's home life. He feels on the inside like he's a pointless little blue bird, but we don't know how true that is or what it entails. Lots of people feel like they're ignored when they do in fact get plenty of love and attention - this is characteristic of several known pathologies, including BPD and narcissism (a dark triad trait). Berdly's behaviour after winning the spelling bee is classic narcissism all over, which, being an inherent violation of social norms, makes him unlikeable.

It's interesting because Susie and Kris are not angels, with Susie clearly behaving sociopathically prior to her epiphany in Chapter 1 and Kris having very warped sociopathic and machiavellian moments. But neither are so consistently, loudly, overwhelmingly unpleasant as Berdly is from Chapter 1. That's the intent of his character, to depict high IQ narcissism, and Toby has succeeded. It's true to life, as both a joke and also a sincere inspection of the psychology and how it gradually gets better. You'll just have to accept that.

>>530475106
actually susie is only 6'1 so i'm taller than her

>>530474815
It's super funny to me that everyone talks up Susie for playing one single Dragon Blazers game she managed to steal while it's obvious everyone their age around that area has played the whole series because literally every form of fictional media just seems to be derivates of Lord of the Hammer.

>>530475204
>It's the only form of validation he's ever *NOTICED*
I accept your concession

New fagslop

>>530475204
Berdly is pretty relatable since most people know somebody like this. Weird kids like Kris exist but they generally keep to themselves or shoot up the school.

Fuckable bullies are 100% a fantasy.

Member momdyne?

>>530475301
fake fag...i remember you're mastectomy scars

>>530475195
Chara helps you pretty early on genocide through, even at toriel's fight, you get "not worth talking to" when you try to talk to toriel

>>530475204
>It's the only form of validation he's ever *NOTICED*.
Have YOU noticed any other? He's been around in the game and interacted with enough characters for you to realize how many people validate him.

>>530475301
>fagslop
Sorry, that's a woman. They ruined it.

>>530475250
I'm 5'5!

>>530475301
They gayness was making Kris's hair curlier?!?!

>>530475489
no matter how feminine ralsei is he will always be a boy

>>530474747
Yes, that's my point. Same way the area outside the window in TSP is not truly out of bounds, Weird Route is not truly a sequence break. But both of them are meant to be an exploration of the concept, where the world is aware of this being a thing you can do, and reacts accordingly.

>>530474869
>He also never managed to get past Asgore. Chara... does.
Flowey being weaker than Chara is irrelevant. It's the same power set. Chara is just better at it. Flowey reset the timeline countless times. He says as much.
>Him blowing up the planet is more like the shit Flowey does at the end of the neutral route.
Yeah. The true route has Frisk able to tank an infinite attack point monster's attack and to resist death by going below 1 hp but not to zero. The same powers that Chara has and kills (You) with but with an extra 19 levels.
Why are you so insistent on ignoring the fact humans have these abilities in universe? You keep saying shit like it matters at all when nothing you've said changes anything. Humans factually have these abilities. Flowey gained a weaker version of these powers from human souls. Chara, an in-universe human child, kills or at least overpowers (You) and all of monster kind after genocide runs.
Just stop being delusional, dude.

>>530475087

>>530475553
Would female ralsei be a butch girl? Much to consider...

>>530475461
By that point you already started your insane genocide quest. He doesn't do it unless you specifically go out of your way to be as murderous as possible from moment 1.

>>530475204
His parents don't even visit the hospital when he ends up comatose.

Chara is a ____

>>530475301
>YOUR HAIR IS TOO LONG

Noelle is pretty much as nerdy as Berdly, but Berdly is less creepy and pushy, mostly inoffensively lives in his headcanon fantasy land, knows when to back off when it conflicts with reality and has shown to have a capacity for selfless sacrifice (even if it's kinda chuuni). His and Noelle's crushes on Susie are equally delusional. Yet the fandom treats Berdly as some kind of irredeemable thought-rapist chuddy, while Noelle is a wholesome smol bean chungus who's entitled to Susie's fat dual clits etc.
That says something about our're society, I think.

>>530470290
her what

The only person in Berdly's life that seems to like him wholeheartedly is Ms. Boom and she can't even remember his name, even if she remembers that Kris is a cheating dipshit who wavedashes

Seriously, Queen is just a Jhonen Vasquez character, and I mean that in the best way.

>>530475727
cutie!

>>530475553
We'll never know since that Kris doesn't have a penis to get him pregnant with

what if in the deltarune universe undyne plays the tuba instead of the piano

>>530475576
>Why are you so insistent on ignoring the fact humans have these abilities in universe?
Mostly because, outside of Kris, none of them seem to have it. The other six humans certainly didn't have it. Chara, back when he was alive, certainly didn't seem to have it.

Mind you, Monsters are pretty weak but that is explained by them being weak to murderous intent. There isn't anything to indicate they should be capable of just destroying reality on a whim. Chara basically isn't human anymore by the time he actually does that.

>>530475727
Busta! Straight busta!

>>530475250
>bigger than the fucking Titan
SpamtonDEITIES won

>>530475710
Sure, but getting "so high on violence" is pretty silly to say when the only thing you kill so far are a bunch of flies and frogs, yet doesnt feel the same """"high"""" if you do a no mercy neutral run

>>530463008
>alphys
>just over 4 feet, apparently
>her fat ass in my lap as we watch gushing over magical girls
Mating press

>>530475781
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNk13TNvq14

>>530475576
NTA but:
Chara's powers literally come from us. As they say, it wasn't THEIR human soul, nor THEIR determination, it was ours as the player. Chara doesn't attack us or kill us, they ATTACK THE WORLD. THAT IS THEM ERASING THE WORLD.
WE are the one who does a true reset. WE are the one Chara uses to erase.
Humans canonically have powers and determination in undertale, yeah, but WE have the most because we are the player, because determination is literally a metaphor for a player's will to keep playing a game.

>>530473350
Sincerely anon, I would recommend that you a) read what I wrote, and b) specifically address the points that I've made where you specifically think I'm making a double standard or some other mistake. If you believe that I've done so, that's one thing, but if you want anyone else to then you need to maintain the same standard of rigour, evidence, reason. Just stating your conclusion again, as you did the first time which lead to my rebuttal, does nothing.

I could go into this process for the contents of your second paragraph.... but I already have. I've taken the care and due diligence to address your claims, so if you want your point to persuade and impel then it is upon you to do the same now. That's literally the difference between real smart (no name calling, just inspecting each claim and bringing up counter evidence or accepting the point) versus Berdly-tier fake smart (just accuse the other side of being wrong and not explain way or address their points).

>>530475425
I romber… remember romber? Shit man guess hes canon now

>>530475697
female ralsei would be a deltaswapped susie so. Yes?

>>530475717
We dont know that, for all we know, they prob visitted him at another point during the day

>>530475924
>The other six humans certainly didn't have it
Every single human had the power to SAVE

>>530475301
how do i get my hair to look like that, i want bangs

>>530476002
Noelle is a gamer girl nerd, (doe)ugh.

>>530475727
flawed person that made everything worse by trying to help.

>>530475981
Doing no mercy neutral run can be justified by self defense. The only kill that is totally inexcusable is probably Papyrus. Genocide is comedically evil behavior even in comparison to killing Papyrus.

>far are a bunch of flies and frogs
All of which are thinking, living, sapient creatures with friends and lives.

>>530476002
Truly The Most One

>>530475781
>shitshitshishit
>its Berdly forma de Broken Arm
>gaster lend me your cutscenes I don’t think I can make it through this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKPPiIH1Rhg

>>530476083
This is probably funny as fuck

i like holding my bf's dick
and kissing it and sucking the tip and throating it
it just feels right

>>530475781
It is indeed true that gamers (like Berdly) are oppressed. However I'd counter that the sun has set on the age of Noelle's obsession being treated as wholesome 1000 reddit gold.

Seriously, even Reddit jokes about her watching from the chair.

>>530476183
No? It says if they have enough of it. Clearly, the other humans did not. Otherwise, they would have killed Asgore.

Which Deltarune character would say this

>>530476229
You can still get "but nobody came" by grinding on other areas that arent the ruins during the no mercy neutral run, through, how is it not inexcusable?

>>530476351
I don't care Jevil, activate Joker's Bet you're about to witness the nastiest no-hit of your life

Fact: It's pronounced Kuh-neet

>>530476351
Susie would say this

>>530476391

Kris

what if monsters just... don't turn to dust in deltarune but are cremated and then buried after death?

>>530476391
Porky is somewhat similar to Flowey. But he's still at least somewhat redeemable while Porky is not.

>>530476445
That one is mostly a gameplay thing. Best argument you can make is that it's similar to what Mettaton tells you if you don't kill him in one hit.

>>530475924
>Mostly because, outside of Kris, none of them seem to have it.
Yeah, like I said. Toby fucked up and never gave a good reason why the world was so stable with such OP abilities. Also >>530476183
>>530476017
>Chara's powers literally come from us.
It comes from the power of determination which humans factually produce.
>Chara doesn't attack us or kill us
They factually attack us. The swing at us. The fact you can't use your eyes doesn't make this less true. Also
>because determination is literally a metaphor
No, it's not. It's a factual substance in-universe and Alphys uses it in experiments. It's factually where Flowey gets their powers.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're being willfully ignorant in an attempt to spread misinformation and lies to troll.

>>530463008
fave's ass is heavy

>>530476391
WTF???

>>530473512
>He just accepts he might be dumber and that's not something to be ashamed of
That's strictly untrue. Berdly slingshots from his default "Smart makes you a king" stance to "All hail ignorance! We are fighting for ignorance!". Neither stance is good, and Susie calls this out but it goes over Berdly's head.

>so he makes a few jokes about being a band of dumbasses going to save the day
That's..... verrry wishful thinking. Berdly's sincerity and cockiness are both very high. Susie takes him as being serious, and Susie is a fair judge of this sort of thing. I don't think this is unclear or at all ambiguous.

>You're the one exaggerating his scenes now to make them seem more ridiculous than they were.
I guess you'll have to take it up with Toby Fox. Berdly is one among many characters in the story who, while possessing great depths, is written foremost to be funny and ridiculous, and most of his scenes, even seemingly o partially serious ones, are lightened by him being foolish or zany. Berdly being an arrogant nerd should not be controversial, and it's rooted in his motives and willful misundestandings. I get that you really like Berdly but it would help to see his nature as a flawed character - he's like Rouxls Kaard in this respect. You can love RK but still acknowledge he's a pompous clown.

>>530476632
>Flowey
>FUCKING FLOWEY
>>>MORE REDEEMABLE THAN PORKY
Are you SHITTING me?

>>530476301
you know i was gonna say some shit about how i don't remember people trying to pull this non-binary crap with chara but there you go i guess

>>530476747
get back to making Motherload

>>530476612
It's a what-if that doesn't mean anything unless it's got some use
What avenues are open to us if monsters in Deltarune stay as corpses instead of turning to dust

>be roaring knight
>get in one(1) fair fight
>lose because they buster'd you for like ten turns straight and dodged like fucking gods
>every confrontation prior
>only fight in cutscenes where you can't lose
Pussy.

>>530475864
Don't underestimate dark world magicks.

>>530476373
>The being with the most Determination in the Underground has the power to change fate and use the in-game save/load system.
This is a direct statement from Toby Fox about how saving/loading in Undertale worked.
Please explain to me why you believe that any of the humans who fell did not have the most Determination in the Underground, and therefore had the power to SAVE

>>530476754
It’s at least implied Flowey gets his better emotions back after pacifist ending, he even begs you not to ruin the ending.
Porky is Porky.

>>530476850
"Prior" means before. The word you're looking for is "subsequent."

>>530476850
Kris and the Knight are going to job hard to the soul.

>>530476898
they didn't have the player behind them

>>530476850
I was going to also joke about how the knight doesn't have freedom motif but then I started thinking "why DOESN'T the Roaring Knight have the feedom motif?"

>>530476981
Yes. yes I am.

>>530476925
>Porky is Porky
A spoiled kid who is at the absolute worst Eric Cartman lite who became a god.
Flowey isn't even comparably evil.

If chapter 5 brings in other Lightners it'd be a good spot to bring up Berdly's fears of being ignored in a more serious way, since he had this whole Dark World adventure where he learned to let go of his obsession with smartness (even if he didn't really 100% get it) which Kris and Susie then denied from him and that'll probably really make him feel like nobody likes him

>>530476754
Porky was also trapped in a a timeloop probably traveling from universe to universe fucking with things.

>>530476754
Flowey became slightly better after kinda getting his emotions back on tpe, porky is still comically evil regardless of the emotions he has, so flowey is more redeemable

>>530473680
Exactly anon, well put. He's growing but the misguided notions are still there. He (temporarily, while still in the Dark World) changes his brand from Clever Smart Boy to Ignoramus Casanova, but it's still folly. What matters is that he stops trying to one-up his friends and allies, and after getting a hiding from Queen, stops messing around and rounds up the recruits. This shows that Berdly has potential as a leader and man of action, which is genuinely non-cringe (like how his wind and halberd attacks are also really cool).

I think I'm out of Berdly fanart senpai, plz share some

Why does Catti warn Noelle about Susie and not about Kris

>>530475461
If you think about it, Spamton in the snowgrave route is kinda like Chara except he just dies instead of evolving into an omnicidal godlike being

>>530477057
It takes the SOULs of every monster in the Underground combined to match one human SOUL
Any human who fell down would have far greater Determination than any monster, and automatically claim the power to SAVE
Flowey is able to claim this power after being injected with just a small fraction of a human SOUL's Determination
The player is not relevant to this conversation

>>530477240
Catti thinks Kris can take care of themself.

>>530477059
>feedom motif

Did the patch fix the Susie award bug?

>>530476754
Porky basically destroyed the last remnant of human civilization because it's funny. Both of them are very detached people with delusions of godhood, but nothing we see Flowey do in game is as bad as Porky's antics.

>>530477057
nta but
>"humans naturally produce determination in large quantities"
before flowey it sure as hell wasn't any of the monster. You could MAYBE argue he had more but the moment a human stumbles in he loses that control so I doubt it. You're being disingenuous for the sake of it.

>>530477113
You know what would be interesting for the weird route on chapter 5? Seeing one of Kris' classmates alone and upon interacting with them the Undertale fight UI comes up.

>>530475250
>shorter than Noelle
fuck my life is over

>>530477110
Even if he was corrupted by Gigyas a bit it’s insane how much of a shithead Porky remains afterwards
He even talks about how long he’s been alive “but still has the heart of a child” while being a literal dictator

>>530476754
None of Flowey's evil stuck and in the end he apologized, fixed everything and even broke the barrier while he was at it
Porky has like zero chance of ever apologizing or even feeling bad for any of the shit he pulled

Flowey/Asriel also willingly gave up his own power and potential hope at happiness to destroy the barrier and release everyone in the end.
Porky willingly traps himself for an eternity in a prison designed to isolate himself off from the entirety of existence.

>>530476754
?? Porky tore apart several families indirectly, destroyed the wildlife of an entire island, introduced capitalism to a rustic, peaceful society free of the 109ers, used a cybernetically puppeteered child to induce the apocalypse, and ultimately denied the player and the player character any sort of meaningful revenge.
Flowey is just childish.

Cumming in Tenna's ass tonight.

>>530471528
>>530472403
Wow, talk about how useless you guys are, like really?

>>530476898
>Please explain to me why you believe that any of the humans who fell did not have the most Determination in the Underground, and therefore had the power to SAVE
Mostly because it doesn't seem to apply to any of the previous humans. Chara should, by all measure, be the being with the most determination yet he is clearly unable to restore himself after death.

>>530477317
>>530477261
Then how the fuck did any of the previous children die and stay dead if they had the same time powers as Flowey/Frisk?

>>530477317
The last human before Frisk also fell a "very long time" ago, while Alphys's experiments (and Flowey's "birth") are relatively recent. Flowey hadn't encountered a human until Frisk fell down.

>>530477114
porky was never trapped in a time loop
he had a time machine and could've done whatever he pleased with it, and the events of mother 3 is what he chose to do

>>530477389
Somehow only yesterday I saw it pointed out that Porky entering the “absolute safety capsule” is him effectively being the kid on the playground with the “everything proof shield”. Once you do that, no one wants to play with you anymore.

>>530477389
Did Porky really know he'd be trapped for an eternity in the absolutely safe capsule? Plus, i'd doubt he'd care if it meant he could outlive everybody

>>530477389
He also unironically seems to view this as a good ending. Because it means that everybody who doesn't like him is effectivity gone.

Seriously, even if Porky was corrupted by Gigyas he's pure evil by the end of Mother 3.

>>530476358
Well that's all well and good but if Toby doesn't change direction or was planning for their relationship moments to feel more creepy than the weird route all along, it's still going to lead to the story imploding in the coming chapters.

>>530476083
i think its a joke about the words for bladder (膀胱/boukou) and roaring (咆哮/houkou) sounding similar

>>530477240
Noelle is her friend who she knows is a little fragile, Susie is this bitch she hates who's always mean to everybody for no apparent reason who could seriously mess with Noelle and Kris is this other kid she used to hang out with who's kinda odd but nice and likes occult stuff which is cool
If you want real prophecies you go to Jockboy

>>530471528
I only have this but it doesn't sound like what you're looking for.

I'm going to get it off my chest. Earthbound is the most overrated videogame in history. It's a generic DQ clone with a Peanuts paintjob that throws you a single curveball with the Giygas fight at the very end that people project back onto the entire game and pretend it's some kind of deep SOVLful masterpiece. It's not. The only good thing about it is that it has somehow inspired people like Tobias and Dingaling who were clearly wearing internet autism-boosted nostalgia glasses because their games are better than Earthbound in every way.

/utg/ - Undertale/Deltarune/MOTHER General

>>530475250
HAH HAH YES I MOG MOST OF THESE MONSTERS, except for the super tall ones but Undyne being 6,4 is sex.

i would play earthbound but i don't know how to get it on my computer and i'm too lazy to figure it out

>>530477829
Filtered

>>530477665
They gave up

>>530477829
I agree but Undershit and Deltarune are basically MOTHER successors and as such you are cursed with always having to address it when these games are discussed for too long in any capacity.

>>530477587
Chara committed suicide. They WANTED to die. They were DETERMINED to die. They made a suicide pact with Asriel that hinged on them dying and Asriel absorbing their SOUL after their death. They did not want to keep living.

>>530477665
Determination is the will to live.
If you lose the will to live, you don't come back.
They gave up.

>>530463008
they'd bounce on it

>The game ends in chapter 6
>Chapter 7 is just Kris and Susie sweating bullets while trying to do an entire school project in a night
>Kris, in a blind panic, just makes a new dark world

>>530477360
I think that's something you save for near the end of the game as a huge pop off

>>530477829
Mother 3 is actually kino through

>>530477965
i like this

Whazzup /utg/
The jannies made me enjoy a nice, summery 3-day vacation STRAIGHT TO HELL because I posted art of Tenna using Spamton as a cocksleeve thinking it was OK because the dick wasn't showing. Turns out I was wrong and pushed the censors too far, that was my bad.

>>530478061
Chapter 7 being an entire epilogue is possible honestly

>>530471528
here anon

>>530477759
He didn't, but it's also implied that is 100% happy to be stuck there for all eternity.

>>530477829
Earthbound is pretty good. Not the best Snes RPG, despite how incredibly novel it is, but frankly it's going up against some of the greatest RPG's in gaming history so that's not a huge flaw. If you can stand out in a line up consisting of Chrono Trigger, SMT, Fire Emblem Mystery and Genealogy, 3 of the all time best Final Fantasy games, and freaking Dragon Quest 5 you know you are a all time winner.

Killed this fucker, close to meeting my wife

>>530478003
>>530477971
If they gave up it sounds like they didn't have much determination in the first place.

>>530475250
Based chart, thanks for posting

>>530475282
My man, that is not in any way, shape or form a concession. Berdly's feelings are not a justification for him acting like an asshat. No-one's feelings are. Susie's behaviour at the beginning of, and thoughout most of, Ch 1 are straight up wrong, it's only because of the enormous amount of character growth that we come to forgive her. Berdly's only made a bit of growth, so he's still mostly cringe.

To deny this is to make King's perspective perfectly valid anno less moral than that of the Delta Warriors. He felt neglected and cast away by the Lightners, so it's okay for him to be a ruthless tyrant, abuse his son, attempt to kill two 13-15 year olds and futther the Knight's apocalypse? No, even if it does suck that King feels neglected he's still a bastard who deserved to be deposed. That status - rotting in jail - will change when he changes. This is what's known as "fainess". Equality of standards for treating other people - not equality of feelings or outcomes.It applies consistently to everyone, including Berdly.

>>530478156
Thanks, anon!

>>530477965
Snuzipy?

>>530478156
poor tenna