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-DELTARUNE CHAPTER 1-4
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>>530799403 (OP)I'm going to fuck chariel
You may not scroll past this point until you post something about Spamton or Tennaโs organs.
Why did Toby decide to replace this animation with one less reminiscent of the scene from the Spider-Verse movie? Is it confirmation that Susie cannot become Spider-Man?
Would you pretend to enjoy Gaster's mixtape to avoid hurting his feelings?
>>530799537Abusive relationships are so hot
I want to feed the gote eukaryote
>>530799668There's nothing abusive about riding your big bro's cock after you drugged him
*AHEM*
>HE SHOWERS OUR SOULS WITH INCREDIBLE DEALS
>AND WITH HEARTY PEEPIS, OUR HEART HE SO STEALS
>NO FOOL WOULD BE GREATER
>THAN HE WHO DENIES
>THAT SPAMTON GIVE ME THE CHANCE TO EARN WILD PRIZE
>NOT A CIRCUS CLOWN, WHO'S MORE SICK THAN HE FUNNY
>A LOVEABLE SALESMAN, WHO GIVE ME FREE MONEY
>YOU MAY ASK, "WHO IS NEXT?"
>YOU MAY ASK, "WHO WILL BE?"
>"WHO WILL BE SECRET BOSS OF ADVERNTURE NO. 3?"
>ME DON'T KNOWS. AND ME DON'T CARES!
>ME ONLY CARES ABOUT SPAMTON
>THE REST CAN GO UP IN THE AIRS!!
Please pay $4.99 to continue the poem.
I drew this. for you. Enjoy.
>>530799668Kris needs Asriel to fuck his teen boy hole so he can feel validated. It's necessary that he be considered attractive to monsters in order to overcome his species dysphoria
>>530799537KRESS FOR GIRLS
>>530799635The man didn't even try to save my Vessel
His feelings WILL be hurt
>>530799704Gote probably doesn't know what that is
>>530799782Cute
>>530799635Only good mixtape gaster ever made was "Meat Factory" all the others like "Trouble Dingle" and "Happy Town" fell off hard. All my FRIENDs blast Meat factory while going 1225 mph down the highway.
>>530799782I do (doe) declare (doeclare) that I will
Big mysteries:
>What did Tenna want with Purple Cliffs?
>Why is ICE'E getting 1984'd?
>Why is the new ICE'E logo filling you with dread?
>Is Katty on to what is happening (aka the Dark World) or is she just a wiccan talking bullshit?
>Who were the shadows in the dark before Gerson turned on the light?
>Who was the shadow in the Philosopher gallery leading us north?
>Why does the Girl sometimes have a soul?
>Why does Gerson feud with Ralsei if they both want to change the Prophecy?
>If Rasley ran off to try and break the final prophecy glass while we closed our eyes, what did he do other times?
>Can we be certain spooky phone noise is the Knight?
>What is behind the church door?
>>530799704>eukaryoteWhat the frick is that?
which recruit changes the music of your castle town in chapter 3?
I did a non snowgrave partially violent route and the music didnt change, i recruited about half of chapter 2
>>530800061>What did Tenna want with Purple Cliffs?That's not a mystery, he was searching for Toriel, then ensured that she's balled and kept asleep.
>>530799887>>530800098Everyone point and laugh at these mfs who didn't pay attention in biology class
>>530800226So is purple cliffs just the name for the entirety of inter-darkworld wastelands?
>>530800158Having full recruits changes the music
>>530800061>Who were the shadows in the dark before Gerson turned on the light?Titan Spawn
>>530800061>Why does the Girl sometimes have a soul?Foreshadowing that Ch6+7 we take control of Susie? I've always thought that since I first saw it.
>Can we be certain spooky phone noise is the Knight?Not sure, I always thought it was a way so show the player that Dark Worlds are truly isolated from the real world, and there was no easy way out.
>What is behind the church door?The Knight, I've realized that this HAS to be the answer, especially knowing that Kris is working with the Knight.
>What did Tenna want with Purple Cliffs?Working on something now...
>>530800158I assume it's based on the number of recruits at the start of the chapter
Anyone else felt legit sad for toys and other crap in your basement after Tenna?
>>530800354...Or maybe Susie just eats us. The rest of the game is just one giant non-interactive cutscene.
>>530800397I've already accepted that opening a dark world in my home would result in every Darkner trying to kill me
>>530800354If Knight is behind the door, could we assert its likely that Asgore is the Knight knowing he 1) visits church at night and 2) we similarly don't open the toilet door in the mansion?
>>530800231That's like saying you want feed him food. Be more specific nigga
>>530800397I do not feel sad for my virus ridden HP laptop somewhere in my attic
>>530799782I can't for our date tomorrow in a year
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k here's my ralsei nsfw. if you are in arizona you have to report yourself to the police after opening this
>>530800507My rooms Darkworld would just be painted warhammer minis and paint bottles trying to defend me against the vengeful hordes from the pile of shame
>>530800061>What did Tenna want with Purple Cliffs?>* ... located... in the purple cliffs? Perfect! Don't waste any time.>* You know what comes next. Assembly, air holes, soft, soothing music...They were looking for Toriel and putting her into the ball
>Is Katty on to what is happening (aka the Dark World) or is she just a wiccan talking bullshit?Catti, Catty is the purple one
Also she's probably not onto it at all, since she's asking Kris to look out for Noelle when they're probably the single biggest danger to her, conversely Jockington prophesizes that Kris will have to "be that dunk" to defeat the Titan
>Who were the shadows in the dark before Gerson turned on the light?Titan Spawn
>Who was the shadow in the Philosopher gallery leading us north?I don't remember there being a shadow leading us north, remind me
>If Rasley ran off to try and break the final prophecy glass while we closed our eyes, what did he do other times?You mean in the other chapters? Seems like he wants to talk to Kris in private, likely related to why he defers to Kris so much in general
>Can we be certain spooky phone noise is the Knight?Nothing's certain until we see the truth for ourselves but the Knight seems like a reasonable explanation, it could also be Carol but this has some issues (the phone turning itself on at the end of chapter 4 versus Carol making a normal phone call that Kris has to answer)
>What is behind the church door?It's either the Knight or it's Asgore, who was also behind another door Kris refuses to open earlier in the chapter and goes to the church at night
>>530800507>every Darkner trying to kill meThat's normal. There haven't been any Dark Worlds that does not do that by default
>>530800690Butte! *grabs his cheeks like this*
Isn't Gaster a perfect fit for this prophecy?
Who would want to be banished from heaven if not Lucifer itself?
Meet with its desire works only in a meta way for the player, for Noelle it doesn't seem to make sense.
>>530800557Would make for a kino chapter boss
>>530799932I don't know, (we) could be the angel and if timeloop theory is real, than banishing the angel(us) would be severing our tie to the world fully and "finally meet with it's desire" is a world we have full control over(undertale) and that bleeds into the sans is from deltarune theory. If sans is originally from deltarune and moved to undertale than the banishing was him moving us.
Yes this is a late night only schizo theory.
>>530800397Everything about him made me insanely depressed about my family giving away our old TV thatโs been with us since I was born.
give me more kris vessel yaoi im famished
>>530799782cute! keep it up bwo
>>530800507the socket i plug my computer into would probably want me flayed alive or do other unspeakable things
Chapter 5 will be 7 dark fountains made during the festival, creating a "megafountain". One for each flower, and each flower will be a darkner miniboss.
Purple flower will be in the Town Hall which will become a courtroom Phoenix Wright style minigame. Could also be Police office.
Cyan flower will be in the Holiday house and become an ice world.
Orange flower will be in ICE-E's pizza/QC diner, a firey hell dark world.
Blue flower (foreshadowed by Miss Mizzle) will be in charge of Sans's store/Papyrus's house dark world, secret boss will be fought here and use the blue soul.
Yellow flower will be Flower King, jungle/forest world.
Green flower will be hospital, Rudy plot happens here.
Gold flower will be town plaza where Asgore fight + actual villain + Roaring happens.
All these dark worlds will be much much shorter than the regular dark worlds but they'll all connect together and most of the townspeople will get involved including Catti and Jockington.
>>530800727>I don't remember there being a shadow leading us north, remind meThink this was for one of the golden notes. It was a dark room full of philosopher statues and something was making noise, told to look north and disappeared if we looked back later
Sans DR is not Sans UT. The games will not be tied together. Sans was not "trying to go back" to the world of Deltarune. You are all schizophrenic.
>>530800397Not really, no. But the Going Merry's funeral from One Piece made me develop a legitimate emotional attachment to an old lawn mower that still started every time despite being really broken down, I refused to get rid of it until it stopped working completely and even then I felt fucking horrible about it
I think this is what anon was referring to last thread. I think he did a bit of an overcount.
>>530800975I dunno seems like a huge stretch, I feel like the dark worlds have become less relevant with these new chapters.
>>530800975Multiple Dark Worlds per chapter makes sense but 7 at once would make each maybe 3 rooms long tops
>>530800231I was too busy being a cool kid to be paying attention
>>530801094I don't get it. Is this about Furry porn?
>>530800690Cute, I love it !
>>530801175Maybe toby should stop being such a hack
>>530801082Spamton NEO was him hijacking Mettaton's MS Paint scribble so where did Tenna get this number from
>>530801048what a kissable flower
>>530801429Human... I remember you're fat ass and big titties.
>>530801453Make somebody in Hometown a fan of power rangers or something.
good morning i love tenna
Anyone got that comic of Noelle and Susie riding the ferris wheel at the festival, and Noelle finally gathers courage and kisses Susie by surprise, then both of them are just disappointed and think "I wish Kris was here"?
>>530800975>most of the townspeople will get involved including Catti and Jockington.It was believable up until this point
>>530800098It means "single-cell organism".
Anyone got that image of the realistic ralsei doing the stop hand gesture? please
Will we ever get a credible "leak" from Toby
I feel like if something did somehow leak Toby would be autistic enough to change the story
Either that or he does a fake leak on purpose to throw people off
>>530801505>Touching Noelle where she likes it!
The ARG was previews for chapters 3-5
The ARG has mentions and appearances for Berdly, Jockington and Catti
Those three characters were not that relevant for chapters 3 and 4
Ergo, they will be relevant in chapter 5
>>530801870The song titles for chapters 3+4 were leaked before the game came out if that counts
He's been working on the game for like 20 years now and it's his mega passion project so I don't think he's going to change anything over a leak or because people figured out where the plot was going
>It's Friday already
Does /utg/ have any weekend plans?
>>530802127yes please. there's not enough art of tenna with shirt open + tie hanging loosely around his neck
>>530801798BRUUUH!
It's an organism consisting of a single cell or multiple cells. That has nothing to do with it...
Eukaryote are organisms that consist of cell(s) in which the genetic material is DNA in the form of chromosomes contained within a distinct nucleus.
>>530800975Nah, but multiple dark worlds in chapter 5 sounds legit.
>>530802221work my ass off on personal projects
since this thread is kriselle-themed.
let me put this banger here
>https://youtu.be/-drXtC53Kwc?list=RD-drXtC53Kwc
>>530802221i'll be working all weekend
Ralsei is a prokaryotic being!
That explains everything!
>>530802350Noelle is our player 2
Noelle will watch from the chair
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I posted this here because I really like the detail in Queen's robotic design and Noelle's gorgeous snout.
>>530801965I believe it honestly, but I donโt think weโre getting any more party members unless chapter 5 ends up being fucking huge somehow.
>>530802350>since this thread is kriselle-themedIt is?
>>530802670my theory is that our actions have altered the prophecy.
the GIRL is now noelle.
she carries our soul and will fight the titan as the last survivor instead of susie.
One of my most disliked tropes is boy with crush on older girl. Always plays out terribly
>>530802771I think there's a chance we might get to play as some other characters for a boss fight or whatever but full-on party members are a no-go unless Kris gets replaced by Vessel or something
>>530802221I'm gonna clean my apartment and also this
>>530802339
>>530802886Kris and Dess...
>>530802350the fact that Noelle is THE only character without any sort of shipbait with Kris in the normal route means Toby intended for us to go though the weird route to see "Noelle's route"
>>530802886Well, Kris became a reclusive schizoid and Dess became a freaky Knight so it's literally playing out terribly.
Kris's cock belongs to sloppy Dess pussy
>>530803239Kris cock belongs to brotherly goat hole (and vice versa)
>>530802339>>530803026What kind of projects are you two working on?
>>530802409That's unfortunate, I hope it's not overtime
>every dark world is just an allegory for Kris's trauma
>Susie and Ralsei only exist to play therapist for Kris
Holy shit...
>>530803384>That's unfortunate, I hope it's not overtimeIt is unfortunately. Going to keep my spirits up with thoughts of my tv husband.
>>530803719Not true
The Second Sanctuary is an allegory for Susie's trauma of the people she trusts turning against her
>>530802791>It is?I guess it is now. I want to REEK like this doe!
>>530803117>thread ungays itself>still fighting over shipsman, can we be friends once?
>>530800837The problem with that is how toby would blend narrative and metanarrative. If (we) are the angel and the prophecy talks about us, do we have a canon personality outside of our choices?
This would make the red heart a character and not really us.
Idk it would feel strange after Gaster talks directly with us.
>>530800837doesn't the chapter 1 dialogue option when talking to sans "great to see you again" imply that we already went through undertale?
I LOVE TV I LOVE VOCALOID I LOVE TV I LOVE VOCALOID I LOVE TV I LOVE VOCALOID
I WILL NEVER ABONDON YOU AND YOUR DAUGHTER TENNA
Okay I think the damn FOMO is getting to me. I played the free demo and really liked it but wasnโt sure about bothering with the new chapters since I feel that the narrative is still in unsatisfying spot. I think Iโm worried about having this game taking up more of my time and mind because I donโt have much else going on for me ATM and have a hunch Ill get more fixated on it.
Sorry for the blabbering, just needed to get these thoughts out.
>>530802918I want a segment that's a series of fights where Kris teams up with a different character for each one, like the You're Not Alone bit from FF9
Kris
Susie
Ralsei
Noelle
Berdly
Catti
Jockington
Asriel
Dess
My heroes.
>>530804430I think 3 and 4 left the game off at a much better spot to wait for a continuation than 1 and 2 did, but the fear of getting fixated is a valid reason to keep away for now because I've been here for 10 years
>>530804558This but with the names in japanese.
>>530804558They are quite literally the most mentioned and represented lighteners in Deltarune.
since noelle is supposed to be this big player in the prophecy is there a reason for ralsei not giving a shit about her at all? or at least giving her the same amount of attention as every lightner that aren't kris and susie.
presumably everyone is named in the prophecy. ralsei knows who kris and susie are instantly and jockington is named. its "down to the letter" more or less, right?
you'd think some prophecy obsessed guy like ralsei would be all over noelle. in fact its pretty odd that hes not at all bewildered by susie tagging along from chapter two onwards. if susie is supposed to be the dragon that gets defeated in chapter one and thats it.
i still think the popular narrative around this is probably correct but these things strike me as odd
>>530804727Ralsei hates gays
>>530802818noelle is clearly the angel
>>530804727The Shadow Crystal showing a world where Susie is glaring at you and Noelle is whispering to your ear plus whatever is going on with Northernlight in chapter 2 makes me think that Ralsei either doesn't know as much as he thinks he does (mind formed to fit whatever the variables are instead of what they should be or something?) or he knows much more than we think he does (whatever he's talking about with Kris, who's working with the Knight but presumably not trying to destroy the world)
>>530804964>yet another level of self-hatredthat boy needs to see a therapist
>>530804972there is a lot of wonky bits about the prophecy.
i went over it a zillion times.
even translated it.
but the titulation of the angel is up in the air.
noelle does make a lot of sense due to her angelic appearance in the dark world.
what we also know is that a lof of the prophecy is missing, not just the last piece.
because everything is supposed to rhyme.
and at least half of it just doesn't.
so we can try to re-assemble piece of it in hopes that they would rhyme together or they are in the correct order but the pieces are totally missing in their entirety.
>>530805375The prophecy is out of order when we see it. And obviously we aren't seeing all of it. If you look at the order it's displayed in the testing rooms, the cage is mentioned last, as opposed to being the "first" hero
>the whole propechy is just another Toby Toblerone anagram bait
>"haha all the letters were out of order :^ )"
>>530802886Wendy from Gravity Falls gave you PTSD?
>>530805473glad we agree.
issue being the chronology of these events.
>THE KNIGHT WHICH MAKES>WITH BLACKENED KNIFE.>SHALL DUEL WITH HEROES>STRIFE BY STRIFE.this can literally describe a timespan from ch3's end to ch4 to some future event that actually concludes the fight.
unlike
>THE LORD OF SCREENS>CLEAVED RED BY BLADE.a much more concise thing we can conclude being tenna's would-be assassination by the end of ch3.
>>530805815Hardly anyone mentions the whole fact that Kris already changed the prophecy by slashing Toriel's tires, too. "The Queen's chariot cannot be stopped" and yet it was
>>530805663Rape them both, Kris.
>>530804727Ralsei isn't interested in the prophecy for the sake of the prophecy, he wants to save the world and have a happy ending. Noelle's presence is possibly counterproductive to one or both of those goals, if theories about her role in the prophecy and the future of the weird route turn out to be true.
>>530805663>*BRO, KRIS BUDDY WE EITHER NEED TO RUN OR YOU NEED TO LET ME PULP BOTH OF THESE PEOPLE INTO SPAGETTIE SAUCE!>*PLEASE KRIS JUST RUN OR KILL THEM BOTH PLEASE!
I estimate Kris's cock between 12 to 16 inches
The reason Dess got away with molesting Kris for so long was because Toriel was in on it.
>>530802818The girl is Noelle.
The prophecy is "LOVE finds its way to the girl"
The normal route is subverting the prophecy.
The weird route is making sure it happens.
Are (You) making Gaster proud? Have (You) let your power shine through and collected all the Shadow Crystals on multiple save files? Have (You) uncovered every secret and turned every stone in his DELTARUNE?
>>530805949oh fuck that is actually genius.
motherfucker, i glossed over the fact that toriel wears a crown in the dark world.
>chess theory is right>kingasgore and spadeking
>queenqueen and toriel
>bishopgerson... ?
>rooktenna
>pawn(You)
someday we might be able to complete the list.
>>530806197It's because it's not only morally ok, but morally obligatory for older girls and women to turn younger boys into men.
I estimate Kris' cock to be of the Rhode Island Red breed.
>>530805375>noelle does make a lot of sense due to her angelic appearance in the dark world.and her angel wings in the light world
Is there a point in collecting Chapter 4 egg if you missed all others?
>>530799623He knew everyone would know the prophecyโs climax is a canon event for susie ruining the surprise
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i am fucking coming
>>530806165Would Ralsei kill Noelle if he deemed it necessary?
>>530806364>He has red horns because he wanted to mimic Dess MY DICK
>>530805663The only good human is a dead human.
>>530806407The egg room itself is neat
>>530802740Asriel x Noelle OTP
>>530806280I think Iโve seen people say that the Titan could be rook equivalent as well?
>>530799782Sheโs only 5 chapters old you sik phucc
>>530806407YOUR PRINCE-KING'S WORDS
>You won't get through your teen years without at least one Egg.
>>530806218my interpretation is that LOVE finds its way to the girl, no matter what.
if THE GIRL is susie, what if she can still fall in love with her, maybe she falls in love with kris in some way, because you can tell how aloof she is to noelle's advances.
maybe LOVE is not what we make it to be.
maybe its not that kind of love.
maybe LOVE is but a moment where you know that everything will be alright, that you have friends and that you will never be alone no matter what.
but maybe... what if its not LOVE but LV?
maybe i'm thinking too deep here.
>>530806275Not sure if i made gaster proud of me. I edited my stats and cash to rush through chapters one and two when three and four came out looking for added and changed content than set them back to normal when i got to 3 and 4.
Would gaster be proud of save editing if it still means he gets his deltarune?
>>530806280Who is the Sword chess piece and the Flower chess piece?
>>530806460He'd probably prefer literally any other option, but if he thought it was the only choice, he'd instantly obliterate her like that statue.
>>530806572Shut up chud the japanese version uses romantic love and not pun lv maybe if you had media literacy you would understand this
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https://files.catbox.moe/ij4uew.mp4
>>530806573It's extremely easy to break stuff if you save-edit. Something completely innocuous might still result in bugs and glitches.
>>530805949>yeah, the character called the queen wasn't actually the queen, that was torielretard
>>530806573>FASCINATING.>PERHAPS>TESTING BEYOND THE LIMITS>OF WHAT'S USUALLY POSSIBLE>WILL LEAD TO>INTERESTING>RESULTS.>I UNDERSTAND>THAT TIME IS LIMITED.>YOU WISH TO SEE>MORE OF DELTARUNE.>ANY WAY YOU CAN>I AM FINE WITH.
>>530805949I thought that was referring to chapter 2's "Kris get the banana" scene where you can just drive through all the cars and it' can't be stopped. Queen's car never was stopped by any person. it just blew up, not stopped. no one stopped it.
So I'm still trying to do that whole "feed the AI every line of text" thing. And
I realize now how futile this is. The amount of text in this game is just too large without a curated list, and because there's no speaker ID associated with the strings, I can't attach a name to them in any intelligent capacity, so it'd just be raw text. And on top of that, the AI will spit out whatever name is repeated most in the dialogue anyway because that's just how it works.
It was(n't) fun going through everything and cleaning up the data, but ultimately this is pointless and I honestly knew that from the start
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>try to find video on knight battle with canon defeat
>all of the videos on youtube are of guys no hitting the entire battle and calling her the roaring fraud
>>530806719LOVE is when two people fight together at Dojo
>>530806528well: for a chess match you need a your playpieces and you must consider, what the enemy has, is what you have.
for every dark(ner) rook, you need a light rook.
the chess theory expands if you don't focus on the chess pieces themselves but that you know that each piece belongs to a side and that the other said has an equal amount of them by the start of the match.
who are the pawns? who are the rooks?
this makes the theory harder to follow.
maybe rouxls kaard is a rook? if you stop pronouncing his name in an anglo-franconian fashion, he is just "Rooksels".
>>530806817I'll i did was edit hp and cash. i didn't touch anything else.
>>530806165>Noelle's presence is possibly counterproductive to one or both of those goalsbut isn't susie implied to be a would be villain per gerson? despite this ralsei attempts to & (give me an ampersand!) does nudge her in the correct direction. + from there on out hes always praising susie esp for her kindness, probably because she wasn't supposed to be kind.
yet when hes around noelle he doesn't care and when you mention her to him hes not really moved in any direction.
maybe if susie has taken her place hes trying to just keep the status quo?
>>530806719The Japanese version says the girl will "learn the true meaning of love," which, while not using LOVE in English as the JP translation of Undertale did, is a pretty clear allusion to it. Japanese people know that ๆ is love in English anyway.
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Torielbros how are we doing right now?
>>530806985the fuck is he injecting
>>530806861Pretty sure the game does indeed have Speaker for each dialogue. Just mod the game to log it during playthrough or something.
>>530807054Toriel's pussy juice
>>530806943I will welcome him.
>>530806976actually sounds more ominous than the original english text.
>Level Of ViolencE
>>530806943Leave my nigga Ramb alone the Roulxs ones are much more fitting
>>530805949 (me)
>>530806280Take a look at
>>530410760 in the archive for my take on it
>>530807087looks like lean
>>530806943I kinda did shed a tear for him. It's understandable though he was forgotten. He's a power strip, usually those are plugged in once and forgotten about untill you need to plug something in. also people get kinda pissed if you just take and walk off with one so Susie was either not paying attention/cared to take it when getting tenna or the strip was still in use and it would be inconvenient for toriel to find out something she uses was unplugged.
>>530807116Does it actually use the same acronym for love that undertale used in japanese?
>>530806873You could just load your save up and die to the Knight yourself, it would probably be faster
>>530806951Still can result in stuff, like killing enemy so fast the game goes into invalid state, which persist if you save
Can someone please explain to me why people pretend to love Ramb? Is it a contrarian thing like with Papyrus?
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>>530807253Pretend? I love my socket buddy
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>>530807332in my mercedez benz
>>530806967>maybe if susie has taken her place hes trying to just keep the status quo?It's likely either this or that he thinks that Susie redeeming herself and becoming a hero instead of a villain could be enough to change the bad ending of the prophecy. He explicitly said he thought kindness could change it, after all.
>>530807191they would have to if they wanted to do a good job.
that's why only few countries make good translations.
>>530807253>brit>seems to care about youthat's more than enough for 99% of anons here
>>530807253No. Ramb simply wants Kris to be satisfied and happy knowing Tenna can't do that. Ramb enables us to take the ShadowMantle Route without the typical schizo trope of
>Aha! You fell for my trap! Now I shall use this opportunity to kill you!Ramb is genuine and has no ulterior motive. Ramb is genuinely nice.
>>530807419no retard I am asking a question about deltarune's script where it says "love finds its way to the girl"
There is a counter part of that line in japanese
Is it the same as in the japanese translation of undertale?
>>530807392This is the first time someone has brought up Susie in the prophecy in a way that actually makes sense
>>530806341Sheโs just a sick pervert
>>530807253Because of that Pippins who spit on his grave without any reason.
>>530807471* Mom, I am literally melting.
>>530806721Why is Maggie in my Soul? Get her out of there.
It's so easy to post anything to get (you)s here, look:
I think Gerson fucking sucks
>>530807191No, LOVE in Undertale is still LOVE in Japanese. The wordplay woud have been really hard to translate, so they left it as is since love is a common enough loan word for them anyway. The prophecy in Deltarune uses the Japanese word ๆ (meaning love, specifically true love or deeply felt love), but again, nips know that's equivalent to love in English so the double meaning isn't lost on them.
>>530807517motherfucker, listen to the words i say:
LOVE is integral in flowey's deception and the whole reveal by sans only makes sense if they are connected.
why wouldnt the japanese make up a word that through abstract thinking does the same?
even my fantranslated copy of undertale has a joke about it.
>>530804727I still subscribe to time loop theory and that Ralsei and/or Kris tried multiple times to have Noelle take that place in the prophecy and she let them down every single time, so eventually they started substituting in Susie who does a much better job. (You) don't know about it but it'd explain why Ralsei doesn't want Noelle to participate or to get close to Kris, and if Kris is also in the know, it'd explain (in part) why Kris gets so butthurt about you forcing her to be relevant in Wierd route.
>>530807690That being the case, and considering what the japanese text says, I'm now 200% sure LOVE stands for the UT meaning, not the real world meaning.
>>530807253I don't mind Ramb but I do not welcome him into team schizo.
While playing Deltarune my computer crashed and showed bluescreen but the SOUL was still visible on it in the bottom center.
What kind of Toby's meta bullshitery is this?
>>530807146thanks anon, even if you don't believe it, its engaging to talk to you just for the fun of it.
I fucking hate snails I will firegrave all snails
>>530807253It's just part of the trauma conga line for Kris.
>>530807885YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN
DO NOT RESIST
>>530807698The problem with this "time loop" theory is that it hinges on the idea that this whole mess is occurring outside of and beyond our interaction, which wouldn't make sense. As the player, we are supposed to have the final say. If they are just going to restart the world after we go through weird route anyway, then there's no point in keeping us around now. They'd have forced us back out and restarted anyway. Nor does that explain Kris' antagonism towards us, because by all accounts he should be thrilled to have something changing the way the story plays out in normal route.
>>530807885it's broken free, turn off your pc now
>>530807885sure thing, bro
>>530808014>Stupid shit vessel.
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>>530807686you are supposed to make your bait have a serious tone to it, some anons on here will genuinely forget it is bait if the bait in question appears like if the poster means it. posting sarcastic bait will not yield many (You)s because most anons only want to respond to genuine bait, even if both the serious and sarcastic bait posts are equally undeserving of getting replied to. people keep saying "don't reply to bait", but it is painfully obvious that the majority loves to reply to such.
>>530807958That's easy to explain though, this run is just the first one where (You) got added into the mix. Kris' antagonism is because we're the first real element outside of any control or prediction. It'd also explain Ralsei's "let's close our eyes" sections, in particular that he doesn't know when it's gonna work or not like how in Chapter 4 you can just straight up tell him to fuck off.
>>530807945What the FUCK did snails do to you?
>>530807690>>530807797I think LOVE in Deltarune has a different meaning from level of violence.
It seems to be more about forming a parasitic relationship and denyone someone else their free will to enforce your own.
Deltarune has way more focus of a focus on interpersonal connections and relationships. As opposed to Undertale which is about an individual's interactions with the world. But we don't know what the acronym LOVE stands for in this game yet.
>>530807925Though some people believe I am needlessly aggressive about it (I totally am and I know it), I'll do my best to entertain any theory that isn't "December, December, December" <3
Seriously. I'm sick of talking about her.
>>530807690>>530807797>but again, nips know that's equivalent to love in English so the double meaning isn't lost on them.That is a crazy cope that somehow japs would interpret a different word for love as being a reference to an english pun in another game. Even more so for people who played deltarune but not undertale, given that undertale at this point is a decade old
At best I could see it being some kind of metaphor with the soul representing love due to its heart shape, but the fact that it's different from undertale makes it extremely obvious to me that toby is going for something different this time.
>>530807693You don't understand the conversation that's happening dumbass
>>530807958Kris sold his SOUL to Chara in order to "reset" the world. Chara did so, then fucked off with Kris' SOUL. Kris by all accounts should have been dead after Chara's stunt, but he persisted through sheer determination until he stole the Red SOUL from Gaster.
>>530808231Anon you're literally responding to a post explaining how they transported the pun into japanese so they'd get it...
>>530808017I wanted to take photo but it reboot within ~5s.
It's not the first time I had BSOD on this PC recently, but I don't ever recall it ever showing some of the background. I was at the part where you go through vents and everything is dark so it's not really that weird only soul was visible. Still, very trippy effect. Reminded me of that moment where the secret game boost in chapter 3 and you see soul for a while before the world loads.
>>530807686Here man. A (you) for you it's coconut flavored though and artificial coconut tastes like straight Gaster ass.
>>530802221I'm making butter chicken
>>530808165This answers nothing. If Kris is in on this plan and chose to play the role of cage, why would he antagonize the entity that's supposedly going to help him with his goal? It's just stupid. There's no logical explanation to it. Ralsei teaching us about our projecting power also doesn't fit this mold if you consider what it is he's said to Kris ("and that's why, ok Kris?") while we aren't looking. It's not quite lining up.
>>530808191>>530808264I'M FEEDING YOU TO THE NEAREST FRENCH PERSON FUCK SNAILS RAAAHHHHHHH
>>530808338>LOVE in Undertale is still LOVE in Japanese>The prophecy in Deltarune uses the Japanese word ๆ (meaning love, specifically true love or deeply felt love)Holy fuck learn to read
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>>530808446Damn, i didn't know Kris was the actor for Suicidal Smuf? crazy small world we live in, too bad that role was a one episode deal.
>>530808305I am once again forced to post this image I made back in 2019
>>530805663Imagine if Andy and Leyley cried about the player like Kris.
>>530808413>If Kris is in on this plan and chose to play the role of cage, why would he antagonize the entity that's supposedly going to help him with his goal?I never said the Soul is there because of Kris?
And even if it was, Kris might have summoned the Soul just to help, suddenly found themselves possessed and with the Soul controlling the body, and freaked out and is now extremely wary of what we might decide to do.
Momdyne Kris should have dyed her hair red.
>>530808607Anon. Gaster literally was about to put Player's SOUL into a Vessel, is someone who facilitated the connection that even allows you to play the game. Pretending that he's uninvolved is retarded
>>530808127If you aren't here to take the bait, what the fuck ARE you here for?
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>>530808810i am here to goat post
>>530808528Do you think even the worst person can change?
That everybody can be a good person, if they just try?
>>530808893please go to conversion therapy
>>530808231>somehow japs would interpret a different word for love as being a reference to an english pun in another gameThe prophecy line is ๅจใฏๆใฎ็ใฎๆๅณใ็ฅใ "The girl will know the true meaning of love." It explicitly primes them for the idea that "love" means something other than the obvious meaning, and is arguably more overt about that the English line is.
>more so for people who played deltarune but not undertaleToby has repeatedly made it clear that Deltarune is for people who have played Undertale. With regards to Japan specifically, Undertale has widespread popularity there and most people who would play Deltarune have already played Undertale.
>>530808338the issue is that
>>530808231 is asking me about deltarune when i respond in undertale but why in the bloody fuck wouldn't take the carry-over?
lookitdis bitch making LOVE puns even a few thousand kilometers somewhere else in the world.
>>530808615Andy would use us as a second scapegoat to blame everything on so he can keep running from his own shittiness.
>>530808798To assume Gaster is orchestrating everything that is occurring is retarded, and to assume Chara is even an outside force in this game is even more so. This is not Undertale. The rules of this world are different as we have seen time and time again. The only time you can attribute "Gaster's" (assuming it's really him) influence to the state of the world is the fact that (you) can communicate with him. We can't even be certain the reasons we're in the world is due to him. It's entirely likely that we just happened to show up and he caught us at an opportune time.
>Gerson didn't recruit the Gueis
Your save will now be discarded
Reminder that the spamton fight took place in not-mayor's basement. It has the entry 27 noises for good reason, there's something deeper down.The knight was created with whatever the fuck kris found down there. The "X is piloting Y's corpse" people might not be far off.
>>530808504If it just said LOVE instead of ๆ, there would be zero ambiguity as to what it's referring to which would defeat the purpose of the line.
>>530806197She knew what they had was true love.
>>530808607This image is outdated, replace both of them with december.
>>530809185Toby put the noise there to show that this noise doesn't mean anything and it's just creepy, industrial audience.
I almost lost this picture because it got deleted before I could save it but I managed to find it again so I feel fate is telling me it's an important picture and I need to post it right now so here you go
>>530809338>audience*ambience
>>530806861i did what you were trying to do with o3 deep research & it was very very confident that it was dess
>>530809185so, dark worlds can just cross spaces in the light world?
>>530808978>The prophecy line is ๅจใฏๆใฎ็ใฎๆๅณใ็ฅใ "The girl will know the true meaning of love." It explicitly primes them for the idea that "love" means something other than the obvious meaning, and is arguably more overt about that the English line is.Again, I think if you're going down that route then toby would have used the same loan word as in undertale. The double link of synonym->acronym is just too clunky.
I think the alternative reading in English is definitely intentional, given the episodic release, but I also think it's more likely to result in a different ending than undertale.
The most plausible outcome is something like "love" meaning the soul rather than violence specifically.
You have to rely on all of the assumptions that:
1. He wants to preserve the pun
2. but also he doesn't want to make it obvious
3. but only in japanese, in english it's fine
4. And it will make enough sense to japanese people to treat both words as synonymous such that they will be okay with the word switch into acronym connection.
And maybe you're still right, but that's sketchy as hell when it would have been easy to just use the loan word instead and avoid the mess
>>530809191And then the pun would have actually made sense, instead of not working.
Or, and here me out here, maybe the pun isn't there?
>>530809000>but why in the bloody fuck wouldn't take the carry-over?BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE FUCKING WORD USED SO THE ACRONYM BREAKS
>>530809691occam's razor, bitch.
>>530809804>what's more likely, that he changed the word so he could draw a fucking cork board of synonmys and acronyms>or, the pun just doesn't carry over from undertale>hmmmmmmm
>>530809434And now I have it too. Thanks, anon!
https://youtu.be/1I2COQd31bQ
I wish I could watch a let's play channel with susie and ralsei as hosts
>>530809434Thanks, I like your important picture. I'll keep it safe for you.
>>530772735Hate it when fangames go into obvious out of character dialogue like this.
>>530809927>>530810041You're welcome. It's a long story but that picture also led to me getting spoiled on OFF which I haven't played yet but I wanted to play but now even when I do play it my experience has been ruined so I figure, better make it worth it.
>>530809881we have no proof so far, and if there was proof its going to be in future chapters, but actually won't because i don't think we will go to the church again to be revealed the pieces of the prophecy that we didn't get to see.
also: who gives a shit about japanese.
>There are people who actually think Chara is possessing Kris
I wonder what causes some to be so painfully and blatantly wrong.
>>530809691>toby would have used the same loan word as in undertale.But, again, if it just said ๅจใฏLOVEใฎ็ใฎๆๅณใ็ฅใ, there would be absolutely zero ambiguity as to whether it referred to LOVE in the Undertale sense. The ambiguity is clearly intentional.
>And then the pun would have actually made sense, instead of not working.It's not even a pun at that point though.
>gyatt gyatt gyatt
What did they mean by this?
Jevil
Spamton
Plant Waifu Schizo
Ramb
Knight/ERAM
Kris
All 6 schizos
>>530808978>>530809691Now that this came into discussion, I've seen parts of the Japanese fandom actually questioning the "ๆ" in the prophecy and actually associating it to the LOVE from Undertale.
fave why do you take every opportunity possible to flaunt your ass?
you got a problem or something?
>>530810230This but Dess is also they're and they're sizzoring while Kris's 16 inch dick is between them
Why is the child called crisp? Are they a salad?
>>530810230Is it apple flavored?
Is Deltarune an actual game or just an excuse for Toby to release a video game soundtrack album?
>I can do anything
>except stay relevant
>>530810647It's more of a videogame than undertale at least.
>>530810773believe in chaos
>>530810230man, i fucking hate how much i know things will never be alright.
Should I replay Chapter 2 without doing the Snowgrave route? I only did Snowgrave for Chapter 2 and I'm curious about the changes if you don't follow through. Still gonna do Snowgrave on my main save.
>>530810773He will stay relevant in my heart
>>530810908Yea, showgrave changes and shortens the chapter.
>>530810908The way Snowgrave plays out implies that you've already play the normal route so yes.
>>530810978Fair enough. I just wish the Snowgrave route in Chapter 2 was longer because I had fun hanging with an OP Noelle who slowly learned to be more assertive.
>>530810773Trust the plan. Jevil and Seam's remarriage will be plot-critical.
>>530810596They don't call them "applesauce" for nothing
>>530811058she wasn't really assertive.
the most assertive thing she did was "i'm going to go home" and saunter off.
you call a puppet assertive, not its puppeteer?
>I don't need therapy, I have my flowers
>And they don't cost $250 per hour
>>530811254mmmmmm plant waifu schizo boss
>>530811054Figured as much. I'll momentarily miss Snowgrave Noelle though.
>>530811221You teach her to be strong, and to strive to become stronger even though she is the player's puppet. It's beautiful...
>>530810183>But, again, if it just said ๅจใฏLOVEใฎ็ใฎๆๅณใ็ฅใ, there would be absolutely zero ambiguity as to whether it referred to LOVE in the Undertale senseAnd because it doesn't say that, there is zero ambiguity that it doesn't refer to LOVE in the undertale sense see:
>>530810384My reading is that the double meaning in english is intentional misdirection. Since the misdirection wasn't possible in japanese without compromising the meaning, it wasn't important enough to preserve so it was discarded.
>>530811058>with an OP Noelle who slowly learned to be more assertive.That's the one part that I always found funny about her character. She finally shows some degree of assertiveness only on the "genocide route" of deltarune, meanwhile we are on a countdown for ch5 and Noelle is still still a shy doe
>>530806656Flower is Asgore or a darkner based on something extremely important to him. Assuming sword isn't knight again, it's probably Carol and much less likely Rudy, due to the katanas in the Holiday house.
>>530811440*shy doe on the normal route
>>530809669The trick is to use a model that isn't trained on data from the last month. It will be polluted with all of the people posting their theories and won't provide an unbiased answer
>>530811440>>530811593In fact I prefer Snowgrave Noelle more. That's also because she kind of becomes some sort of twisted companion to the player, it's lovely.
>>530811448Also, the key is gotten right after the flower and the sword is technically optional for the exit. I think the key represents the last piece of the shelter code and the other two parts were the guitar and fire extinguisher. The fact that the sword room is optional might be a weird route thing or show that a confrontation with Carol might be considered optional. Going a bit schizo, the pure crystal might change that sword encounter.
I LOVE TV!!! I LOVE TENNA!!!!!!
>>530811404>it wasn't important enough to preserve so it was discarded.But it wasn't discarded. The Japanese line is phrased completely differently from the English line ("Love finds its way to the girl") in order to maintain the ambiguity that "love" means something other than romantic love without just making it obvious by using the English word.
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What will Rals be like in Chapter 7?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBQowWynD28
God what the actual fuck is this thing
>>530811914What he was always meant to be like. A Lamb to the slaughter.
>>530811325I think its a little more nuanced.
yeah she becomes very powerful, but for a duplicitous reason.
what she wants isn't POWER but COURAGE but confuses the two.
i think noelle now knows that she can move mountains with a snap of her fingers. (hooves?)
she has the power to do everything, stop anything in her way, but noelle wants to have the courage to tell susie how she feels.
this however, will not be.
it will never be enough.
she will escalate into ever more powerful forms but never be enough for her to confess.
she could kill susie where she stands, but she will never have the heart to tell her how she feels.
>>530812031She doesn't need Susie anyway, she merely needs to get stronger.
Elec/Holy schizo boss for chapter 6
>>530811723Love images like those.
>>530812192just let him go
>>530811938Your humble servant, who will follow you to the utmost.
>>530801453well, he is living with Mettaton now, so
>>530812414Not enough bloom
>>530812414Bro, I told you not to play that cartridge labelled HAUNTED DELTARUNE
>>530812414Kris' choices don't matter. MY choices do
>>530811938>>530812372Toby told us since Undertale. It's a demon buried in the code. The original lines for the "humble service" thing literally call it "Demon".
And now it's all over a secret side path all about FREEDOM. Not hard to put things together from there.
>>530812880Do you have this image in lower quality?
>the demon lines will be updated in the 10th anniversary update
>>530812880Wait a second. Susie doesn't have tits. She is flat as a board.
>>530812802>>530812372I truly wonder if IMG_FRIEND will be elaborated on or not in Chapter 5. I feel like Ch3-4 ended up being blueballs when it came to the larger picture of the story, but with the whole "field of pink and gold" maybe we'll finally see the more mysterious elements of the narrative come to light. Since Love & Money seems to be a strong motif regarding the colors, and Asgore lacking both, I'm crossing my fingers that we'll finally get some actual answers to chew on. I really do not look forward to waiting a year.
whenever i see that dialogue about Susie starting a band i just think of Susie and Kris as Prozzรคk (do you think thatโll remain a gag or will they actually start one)
>>530812880the flags are waving THE WRONG WAY
>>530813147Nah man you don't get it, there's a very strong wind blowing from their bac-
>Susie's hair (which is also offmodel)...or maybe the artist just genuienly sucks.
You wouldn't wanna lewd Flowey if he just was a she and had eyelashes, would you, anon?
Cause we may get that, but you wouldn't be that simple, right?
Krisโs real SOUL will have a brand new color and trait
>>530812880The love the shitty quality of the image, pls make it lower.
>>530806861 (me)
>>530809669Here's the list of one's I tried with. Each gives a wildly different answer and I think only one is even remotely correct.
https://rentry.co/o4c3ekm5
As I said, my dataset wasn't very ideal since the names of the speakers wasn't tied to the lines, and there's no simple way to associate them programmatically
>>530813290>You wouldn't wanna lewd Flowey if he just was a sheNah.
>and had eyelashesAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH MY DIIIIIIIIIIICK I'M CUMMING EVERYWHERE HELP I'M FUCKING DYING OF HORNINESS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
>>530812880Ralsei is playersexual
kris drew a dick n balls at the diner
>>530813391I love*
Sorry, i'm tired today.
>>530813478our fuckin teacher said
>>530813290I would lewd Flowey as is. In fact, I already have.
>>530812880Why is Ralsei wearing a shoe?
If a Dark Fountain springs inside your house, how fucked are you, guys?
>>530813290i prefer the OG theory.
>>530813549WHO'S BEEN DRAWING DICKS?
>>530813290I would straight up die of laughter if Deltarune ended up up having Flowey in it again.
>>530813609two shoes, even
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>>530812287I love this one
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>>530813290>ant-sized imagesorry, fixed. prefer this theory.
Fave does NOT believe in the Virgin Mary.
>>530813387Brown SOUL - Stubbornness
you will not be moved by anyone but yourself, moves sporadically, WASD controls the bullet patterns instead. Associated clothing: Antique Poncho.
>>530814193Constipation Soul...
>>530813970He looks very polite
If that little shit Lancer is considered part of the Fun Gang, Jevil and Spamton should be too. I won't hear otherwise.
>>530813290Bold of you to assume I need that much to lewd Flowey.
>>530806861I think trying to use AI for this is doomed but these past weeks I've been tagging character data for all the text, part programmatically and part manually. I've got chapter 1 and most of chapter 2 done, I could share what I have.
>>530814279>>530814415it was the only color left that didnโt feel really mary sue-ish
>>530814394Lancer can't be a member of the Lancer Fan Club, that's narcissistic
>>530814394If Jevil and Spamton are our friends after we defeat them no matter what, why don't they get their own rooms in the castle? Do they lose all their rights once they get put on permanent armor duty? Does Ralsei just assume they're happier as slaves?
kris's real dad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_R2LtgTxU8
>>530814660They don't deserve it
>>530813710love joel but jeez seeing him just talk over or blow past interesting theme-laden text and dialog drives me up the nut
Kris was the result of Varik x Poncho Human mpreg
Whatโs his endgame??
why is there an evil satan cat following us??
>>530814660They simply prefer the spacious pants hole
>>530814660the inventory pants hole must be comfortable enough for them not to complain
>>530814838itโs either that or watch Melpert who reads it but spends 90% of the steam tweaking settings or whatever
>>530814660Jevil's spent so long in the clink that he's happier just roaming around.
Spamton probably turned down the offer for a room because of his pride. He doesn't accept charity unless it's money.
The rape allegory took up all the air in ch4 weird route discussion, and fair enough. But i think it's under appreciated that the route introduced a new meta UI element to the game. In Noelle's room, the game takes advantage of you controlling the soul and also you selecting dialogue options with the soul. So that, when you pick "Proceed", you warp from the vent into Noelle's bedroom once the dialogue box leaves, since that's where the soul "is" when you pick that option.
A very, well, weird sequence.
>>530814874>mpregVarik is a hermaphrodite in the UTDR universe like all humans
>>530814458>https://youtu.be/o6t9d7lylbIdessimated.
>>530814660>Does Ralsei just assume they're happier as slaves?Unironically yes. Remember how he "comforted" Tenna before the Knight showed up? Ralsei projects his lack of self-worth onto every Darkner and assumes they're all as codependent on the Lightners as he is.
>>530814893What part of FREEDOM do you not understand?
>>530812414what did toby mean by this
>>530814893Chapter 5 villain.
When IMAGE_FRIEND was added to chapter 2 it was intended as a teaser for what was then going to be the next release chapters 3-5.
>>530815135It's an extension of Ralsei using the "what's Susie up to" mechanic in order to force the SOUL to watch a cutscene elsewhere.
>>530815351literally just hit.
>>530815378>>530815135It's also why Kris instructed Noelle never to speak of what happened. Not simply so we didn't know what Kris did, but because people talking to Kris and asking them questions is one of the times our influence is strongest.
>>530809686I mean yeah, all of them displace our heroes when they close. At bare minimum Dark worlds cause some sort of spacial anomaly in the Light world.
>>530815272>bad boy fuck you get in the rectangle
>>530812040Change Susie with Ralsei in this picture.
Just bought the patterned fabric for my itabag insert. I can't wait to be the most socially maldeveloped person in my friend group now!
>>530815272If you force yourself to not think of anything to say, then you can't say anything at all.
Problems with waifuing Darkners
1-They are illusions. They are the creations of Lightner brains projecting thoughts and emotions on inanimate objects in the void of light. It's sad to fall in love with something fake.
2-Darkners exist to serve and make Lightners happy. They view Lightners as gods, essentially. There is an inherent power imbalance between the two groups. Exploiting it is wrong.
3-Sexualizing a fucking TV is weird, bruv
>>530814660>slavesThey have more freedom staying in your pockets. They can literally jump out and do whatever whenever they want to.
>>530815504we moved from one closet to the other in ch1, the fields of hopes and reams was literally us phasing through the walls into some part of the foresty that surrounds the school?
according to this theory we phased into holiday's basement to fight spamton, which was already hacked into the holiday residence and is the reason she collects heart-shaped objects.
boy, do i wonder what those rooms inbetween rooms are, or where ch5 will take us.
I don't like bad endings I don't want the player to succeed on weird route
I was trying to animate but I got distracted and did this
>>530815786Lightners are creations of real people's brains projecting thoughts and emotions onto flashing pixels.
>>530815816>the fields of hopes and reams was literally us phasing through the walls into some part of the foresty that surrounds the school?No, we see what part of the classroom corresponds to the field area.
>>530814434I can say with certainty that AI will never be useful for something like this, but godspeed to you. I would help, but it would have to be on a different platform
So why does the Knight have Gaster's stigmata?
>>530816006the chess field, yeah, seams being there, the kaard kingdom, but not the forest itself.
>>530815786>itโs sad to fall in love with something fake>waifuingnandesuka?
Why are people mad at Toriel for calling Susie Snoozie?
>>530816197People interpreted it as Toriel misremembering Susie's name.
Personally, i think it's a misread. I think both of the "firm camps" get a little deranged, which is unfortunately a symptom of internet discussion.
>>530816197Because you snoozie you loozie
>>530815808Hot take but Toby is really squandering them by not giving them more special optional cutscenes and battle flavor text the way he gave Spamton in Tenna's fight. If Tenna could get Castle Town-specific cutscenes and a side quest despite his survival being completely dependent on player choice, there's no reason why Jevil and Spamton can't have at least one scene with Lancer/King/Seam or the Addisons.
traumatizing Noelle didnโt make me sad during Snowgrave but making Queen depressed fucking got me man
>>530816468Jevil is asleep. He said so himself. He will be asleep for 100 years. Spamton is just vibing. Still thinking about making that chat mod for chapter 3 despite the lore though
>>530815786I'd argue that the second point only really applies to Tenna and Ralsei because of their own fucked up self-esteem problems. Most of the Darkners we've met seem like pretty normal people who just want to live their lives by Tony Fox standards.
>>530816035The only thing that comes close to even approaching the subject of why there might be repeating elements in the Dark Worlds (Gaster's 'stigmata', Creepy Smiles and fucked up faces, Pink and Yellow) is this:
>A CRACKED CONCH, SURROUNDED BY WASHED UP GLASS.>NOT A PERSON SEEMED TO WANT IT.>LISTEN TO IT?>THE SOUND OF THE OCEAN...>A PITY, IT WAS JUST REPEATING ALL IT KNEW.
>>530816570This is why I have an edited save with everyone recruited despite going through snowgrave. Now everyone is happy
>>530816619Jevil isn't actually asleep, he has an action in Tenna's boss battle. He said he was going to sleep because he was "pacified" and "tired," but he's clearly just fucking around.
>>530811848cope/seethe
the choice of words means the acronym is unviable like I said.
The meaning is clearly ambiguous, but it can't be the same ambiguity as was in undertale
Explain to me why I should take FRIEND any more seriously than Starwalker
>>530816807That's not an action per Jevil himself. It's part of the "devil energy" ability from the tail. It increases your chaos. It's not Jevil himself doing the action like Spamton appearing to speak to tenna
>>530816723I would fuck this Flowey as long as he has a penis
How do monsters survive as a species when 9/10 of them are gay?
>>530816930"Joker's bet" sure sounds like it's Jevil
>>530816996The one straight couple fucks like mad and pops out like 12 children per mother.
Noelle please stop playing Oldschool Runescape
>we will never get another wacky schizo dialogue quirk pocket buddy secret boss
>>530816738So it might be like the collective unconsciousness? Interesting.
That implies like these are like base elements of human psyche projected into the dark world's illusions.
>>530817102But we never see a straight couple with more than 2 kids.
>>530804170Knowing what we know about Asriel in DR (nothing), he's probably already turned into a flower, or the memes about him being a hot pocket eating depressed bachelor are true.
>>530816016Asking the AI to please write a game theory won't work but it might be useful for more rudimentary analysis, asking it to list places where the guy talks about the thing
>>530816849You should in fact take him less seriously since Starwalker is an actual character and friend is just creepypasta bait
>>530817187They're the exceptions.
>>530816996They reproduce by collecting sexual fluids in buckets and creating children from the resulting genetic slurry, so gender doesn't matter
>>530817140Good. It makes the two good ones we have more special.
>>530817140trust the horny ch 5 death/scythe schizo plant girl theory
>>530817140chapter 5's will be extra wacky believe me
i still can't get what someone said on twitter about darkners basically being the gems from steven universe as middle aged gay men out of my head.
>>530817260>asriel is a child of the trough
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>>530817405>middle aged gay manhello me
chat, is it morally correct to cum on does?
Noelle, in the Chapter 4 Snowgrave ending, wants to talk to Kris.
What does she want to talk about?
>>530817405cant people just say 'that's tumblr' anymore
>>530810773he's still my favorite schizoboss, toby brought out the Super FX chip for him
>>530817510>>530817636>skirtsdo gay men really?
>>530817140>I want to milk the cow until it dies, toby
>>530817405I never watched SU. What does this mean?
>>530817636>>530817510Cute homos I aspire to become one some day
>>530816035Byproduct of getting mixed up in the in-between
>>530810773I feel so fucking bad for Jevilaggots, it's been a parade of nonstop humiliation for them since 2018.
>>530811071>Jevil and Seam will get remarried but Spamton and Tenna can't.devious, tobias
very devious.
>>530817668the communist chairman chara.
>>530817762basically the gems (alien race) are born with a job they're supposed to do and base all their self worth on it. they consider themselves automatons and don't really understand concepts like love or self worth unless taught it by gigachad humans.
i dont think it's a crazy comparison, Queen's giant robot form is clearly a riff on White Diamond (series final boss)
>>530817690The ultimate fantasy of all gay men is to fuck a woman that refers to herself as a man
>Not OPs, just an ideaA possible continuation of the brain-damage AU (
>>530792368)
>*Dark world>*Test Tenna mini-games(you) can use it as physical therapy to make better use of the body while also confessing to Susie about the depth of the situation. If all goes well than you could convince her to get Berdly/Noelle into the dark world. Kris may be dead but the body still has a life residing inside. I mean even in the green we see them nearly smile indicating greater motor control compared to the first part.
>Knight/Carol/Roaring stuffPerhaps they first put all of that on hold but when they see/hear that (you) are in the dark worlds again, maybe it gets put back but now under completely different context since they're bouncing off of (you) directly and not being filtered by Kris. Could also have dark world 'Kris" have a slightly altered design to reference his absence and (you)r presence. Another idea is that (you) can take on the fact Carol has pre-approved you coming in so you can talk with Noelle/Carol.
>New theory video dropped
>Author spends minutes of the video lecturing/berating fans about Kris' pronouns, despite it being unrelated to the video's topic
>Assumes that Kris is non-binary, despite it being both offensive (you can't assume someone's gender identity based solely on pronouns, especially "they") and non-canon
Why this fandom is like this?
>>530816750>Now everyone is happy
>>530817762The Gems are a race of alien with a culture based on objectification and servitude to the elite in their fucked up caste system. Because they're immortal sentient space rocks, they don't consider themselves "real" people the way humans do, because they were created to fulfill one specific purpose and anything that challenges their way of thinking emotionally obliterates them and sends them spiraling.
>>530817082It's almost like "joker's bet" is a chaos power that comes from wearing the tail.
If it were really Jevil, the effect wouldn't only be present when on Susie
>>530818269nta but exactly
I'm going insane and I can't stop humming the freedom motif
>>530818160No it's not?? Where are you getting that idea from?
>>530818216>hussie can't even come up with lore about himself that doesn't involve toby anymorethat's just sad man
I do not want to live in a world without cute deer wives
>>530818216Toby run away before he cums in your ass again!!! The fandom can't handle another noelle!!!!!
>>530818374"The Source of Kris' Determination" or something like that
Which Undertale/Deltarune character would misread Ganondorf as Gandalf?
>>530818495what are you going insane over?
>>530818424Did someone say
Chaos?
*surfs 10 realities at once*
>>530818651Lancer if he could read
>>530818604You mean this video being premiered right now?
https://youtu.be/DDDNo04rZTM
>>530818269Kris' happiness became irrelevant the moment he decided to work against us. The only solace I will offer him is killing Sans a second time.
>>530818239It's not just that Kris goes by they in the game, it's that the entire issue of Kris's gender has been politicized. By calling her a he you are revealing that you aren't fully invested in the woke cult and must be reconditioned and purged of your libertarian/conservative notions of stability.
>>530818579Watching UT/DR fill the vacuum Homestuck left after it crashed and burned after nearly a full decade of unstoppable popularity has certainly been an experience. Time really is a flat circle.
>>530818684I don't know, everything, if I knew, I wouldn't be going insane
>>530818239>despite it being both offensivethat's what gets me about this whole thing, THEY are assuming kris' gender just as much as we are only at least we're aware we're going against the grain here, those retards actually think they're doing something GOOD by making assumptions and declaring them canon
>>530818802cool well the dude's voice annoys me so I'm not watching it, I'll trust you on your word
>>530818531Giga Queen is totally based on White Diamond. It's not even hard to see if you look for a moment. It's cool that she is though because White Diamond is neat
>>530818495A while back I posted about my schizo night terror where I saw an off model Sans face a dark void with the text "SANS , A " and then a terrifying feeling like there was a malevolent presence around me that caused me to wake up whimpering in fear. Around the time i had been getting scam phone calls spoofed to local area code numbers multiple times a day.
>>530818239Deltatubers beyond music analysis/appreciation and TOP 40 THINGS YOU MISSED are whack and gay and their thwories are horrible and mine are based
I fuck with /utg/ so our theorists are based, too
>there are actual people out in the world who are still upset that every chapter doesn't have a crazy guy tucked away in a corner to fight, a main villain themed after a chess piece, and a guest lightner in the dark world who joins your party
>>530818908This but also the crazy guy has to use a specific motif or it's fucking garbage
>>530818239I finally have a de facto answer to this. They're obsessed with insisting Kris is non-binary based on the text in-game, so all you have to do is point out that Lancer specifically said "boys or girls" in chapter 1. Kris is explicitly male or female according to Lancer, so he/she can't be non-binary, and they're wrong for making such aggressive assumptions.
>>530800975The lost children... eahc flower here is for the seven lost children...
Jockington's going to take his glasses off and he will be have one yellow eye and one pink eye and this will never be elaborated on.
>>530809338Chronic case of trying to make the game boring as shit
Jevilbros, we're gonna get some BIG dividends next chapter, I feel it
Festival? Withiut the clown clowning around? Come on buddy
Spamtonfags sit DOWN
>>530818823iunno man, sounds like you are perfectly sane but just have a good taste in music.
>https://youtu.be/SZvM347m-0Y?list=RDSZvM347m-0Y&t=45nothing's bothering you but you got a tune stuck in your head.
i'd say you are far from my defeatist ass.
>>530819110Lancer just doesn't know what a non binary is. That means the fandom just needs to educate him so that he can "be better".
>>530819159Hotpants' name will be Mike and this will never be elaborated on
>>530818580>Kris autismo and whatever happened to Dess made Noelle and Kriss put a wall in their relationship Tragic. Maybe that's the appeal people see in those two?
https://lakendacoda.itch.io/underwheels
Can you get a pacifist run in this by only running over Sans?
>>530818239Because self-inserting onto Kris is only bad except when its my identity or something.
>>530818216Is really him?
>>530818495i've got lost girl stuck in my head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArtRuJiTYbI
chronic case of saddess
>>530819027Um dont you mean the FREEDOM leitmotif?!?! Burgerpants_smoke.gif
>>530819283You're not supposed to self insert into Kris at all. Chapter 4 was all about that. You're the SOUL, and Kris fucking hates you.
The droopy bits on the k ight's hand when it points? They're strings/cables
>>530819404Well tell that to the people declaring him non-binary and not unconfirmed. I just went with what I expected is their true logic.
If Susie was a dude, how would you feel about Krusie, Suselle and Ralsus?
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What do you guys think of Dessriel being one of the most popular ships now?
>>530819220Why does Toriel let him dress like this?
>>530819514The logic has changed a lot over the years, it used to be because "your choices don't matter", now it's because his family and the rest of the Light World NPCs call him a they therefore he must have adopted that as his identity.
>>530819626I can't wait for Dess to turn out to be adopted like Kris and all of this fanart is null and void
Toby thought endless stream of minigames would make for a fun experience but then panicked after he saw how people didn't like FF7 Rebirth and rushed to scrap content.
>>530819404It's forcible self-insert. Kris does not have to like it, I'll assimilate his/her life history into mine. You can even see this in letsplay YT videos, creators replace Kris with own avatars, kek.
>>530819567There is no feminine energy emitting from Susie, so nothing changes
>>530819567i'm fine with krusie in all its forms
>>530819779Why do you guys write weird fanfiction about the guy who made the game
Seems kind of unhealthy
>>530806721>Dark world flandersWhat would he even look like
>>530818882Thank you for reminding me to rock out to that banger today wtf was I thinking
You see, I just cant hate this game, yeah it's taking a decade, yeah there's a billion stuff to distract theorists into schizoism, but damn, damn the music and characters
>>530819626something about it annoys me, maybe it's all the gay gotes i've been forced to witness over the years
>>530808014Horrible implications.
>>530820046>Asriel getting ready to cut two pies
>>530818495tell us if you get your shadowcrystal, i want in
>>530819269>cattenheimer covers up half the road>and ALSO hides noelle who practically sprints into your carno i don't think i will
>>530819626>your opinion on Dessriel, Krusie etc. being popularI only like Kress.
why is weird route Noelle so hot?
Kris was a happy-go-lucky kid until Dess.....
>>530820046>>530819585Wtf who is this ralsei oc
>>530819626Not my preference because of the years of seeing Chara and Asriel college stuff.
Plus there's a part of me that wants one version of those dorks to be happy together since they're cursed with undeath in Undertale.
>>530818239Itโs weird to me because Frisk and Chara have always been โandrogynous and with an ambiguous gender identity that allows you to come up with your own interpretationโ but suddenly Kris, doing the same exact thing, is now actually non-binary no ifs or buts?
Even though the game itself just treats Krisโ gender like Friskโs/Charaโs was in Undertale?
>>530820262let me put the question around:
how do you feel about the normal route?
>>530820262Why is she so off-model in this image. Find better art of her at the least
>>530818774>>530818832Those people are legitimately crazy. Hollow Knight's MC is it/he, crazy fans insist on "they/them". Nine-Tailed Okitsune Tale's MC is he/she, crazy fans insist on "they/them". They themselves can't even respect pronouns, and they have a gall to lecture other people.
>>530819110kris is the or, duh
It's going to be a Final Fantasy VI style ending where the only thing that will change are the cutscenes you'll get in the end credits montage depending how many Shadow Crystals and eggs you collected.
>>530818495*bops in place and joins anon providing backup humming*
Btw this is what im doing at the /utg/ meetup
>>530820262Just look at her
Look close...
>>530819626Gonna be awkward when it comes out how emotionally manipulative she was
Ralsei is not a goat because he never randomly climbs things #FACT
idk why people can't accept that Toby is woke and put a non-binary character as the protagonist of his game. It's OK to like something even if you don't agree with the creators politics.
>>530819626I don't see that ship anywhere but here, but I don't go looking for art of those characters
I was gonna post about how we already saw Papyrus in game but it was a dream sorry guys
>>530820514>Noelle will become strongHow does brain-breaking her serve the purpose of making her strong?
>>530819714>True logicI'm focusing as to why it matters to Twitter that Kris is non-binary, not how they're defending the idea he is. I'm saying they want to self-insert Kris via making him non-binary and then arguing from that endpoint.
>"Its not self-insert"If they use or believe in "representation", yes it is. Not a bad thing until you try to police headcanons and proclaim your headcanon above all.
I was gonna post about how we already saw Dess in game but it was a hope sorry guys
>>530820625undisclosed gender =/= nonbinary
All undertale humans also have unknown gender
>>530819469you think its a robutt?
>>530820625> It's OK to like something even if you don't agree with the creators politics.what year are you living in you disingenuous fuck? this is a recipe to be doxxed for daring to like #problematic media, and i'm not even a chud
>>530820513>at the /utg/ meetupwhen are we meeting?
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>>530820895already did, no more meetups, you missed out
>>530820687The whole bit in chapter 2 is related to december and noelle's relationship.
>>530820625Susie does not ask Gerson's pronouns when she met him. Therefore the game is not woke.
>>530820625>idk why people can't accept that toby is [headcanon]Deltarune was in the early thought stages and had its main character long before "non-binary" was even a term for gender btw
Forcing an ideology onto the character by insisting he/she is "non-binary" is incredibly offensive btw
>>530820350>Frisk and Chara have always been โandrogynous and with an ambiguous gender identity that allows you to come up with your own interpretationโMany people have been calling them nonbinary since 2015 using very similar reasons as for Kris. It took a while for the current consensus to form though.
>>530820443>Hollow Knight's MC is it/he, crazy fans insist on "they/them".I don't remember if the knight or other vessels are ever "they" but they're certainly never "he". There are even internal notes about this in the game files.
>>530820350i think it's mainly due to a shift in gender politics becoming more important to people on the internet
something can't be 'indeterminate' anymore, it HAS to be given a label and it HAS to be shovelled down your throat as much as possible
>>530820820People still like FNAF despite Scott Cawthon's political views.
>>530820895You missed this year's meetup bro, hope you can catch the next one. It was wild, shit was like walking through a minefield but instead of landmines it was gay sex
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LITTLE HORNED BOY,
I WOULD
BE DELIGHTED
IF YOU
COULD GET ME
ANOTHER LIBATION.
TOO MUCH?
THERE IS
NO SUCH THING.
If this game triggers you so much, why are you even playing it?
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>>530821167at the meetup there was like a MILLION amount of sex happening, AT THE SAME TIME, every man got pregante and gave birth to the universe, true story
>>530820820It's strings were cut... or were they? It's really just a mystery
>>530820895When I lose weight so all the girls cream for me
*eats apple turnovers*
>>530821175He literally got doxxed and had his entire family threatened for donating to trump which is why he stepped away from the series
>>530821142The Knight is pretty silent, so we only know about how other characters refer to it:
- Hornet uses "it"
- Bretta uses "he"
>>530821350this but unironically
>>530821175yeah because he doesn't post on twitter anymore, so they can keep pretending he doesn't exist and isn't doing 100 times the damage to the causes they value than jk rowling has ever done. it's about the optics of who is loudest
>>530821394Deserved for sending a politician his money lmao what a retard
>>530821480Oh btw
Did everyone catch that those empty chests in queens basement had white stuff bursting out with that soul death animation
what if someone ran a truck into the /utg/ meetup while wearing an ashore mask for the bit
>>530821216>>530821350why do I always miss out on these things
>>530821351all those uses of the dummy theme have got to mean something
>>530819567>KrusieStill feels alright. Kris is gender ambiguous so it changes basically nothing. I don't know if there's any scene between them that could change meaningfully because of it. I think it'd get more female fans because of scary male bully that turns into a softie for Kris.
>SuselleI dislike it either way, their genders don't matter, it's a completely insipid ship with no real chemistry or pathos. I do bet it wouldn't be able to keep the few fans it's still got left at this point if Susie was a dude though.
>RalsusNah, it'd be worse. Masculine girl x feminine boy seems to be much of the appeal of that ship, specially in the way they end up teaching each other.
>>530821542This bait is way too obvious. Take it to xitter
>>530821496>ERAM is just some fucking passion fruit bumcum bubblegum flavored vape cloudi fucking knew it.
>In the chapter 4 Weird Route scene you unambiguously say "Me" when Noelle asks who's going to hear
>However "Noelle will become strong" still makes more sense as something an in-world character would do or say rather than something the Player would want to do or say since we still don't even know why we're doing Weird Route or most of the mechanics that allow for it
I want to believe Third Entity is dead
Yet...
>>530821468>- Bretta uses "he"Oh yeah, I forgot about that just now
But she's writing literal fan fiction and we know both from the White Lady and from the developers that vessels are genderless, she's just factually wrong in projecting her own fantasies
>>530821754>there will be actual cosplays of dess and asgore+truckkill me now
>>530821856(You) will understand why Noelle needs to be stronger soon, currently we're just doing this shit for the love of the game
>>530821132The term non-binary was coined in 1995 and the general concept is much older.
>idk why people can't accept that toby is [headcanon]Toby Fox is a millennial New England theatre kid who donated to BLM and has put many LGBT+ characters in his games. Do you think he's secretly based or something?
>>530821938The queen's chariot cannot be stopped. Asgore was driving toriel's van that night
>>530821728"empty white chests"?
no, i don't know anything about that, mind replicating some visual evidence to jog my memory?
>>530821938I'm going as Jevil
>>530822072Stop writing fanfiction about Toby Fox. It's weird. None of us know what he's like and that's because he intentionally doesn't want anyone to. You are projecting your views and beliefs onto him, just like you are with Kris.
>>530821894Also AFAIK Hollow Knight's (different character from The Knight) public persona is a male adopted son of the Pale King. Public does not know that HK is genderless. I might be wrong, tho, it's been a while.
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>>530821856You see "Noelle became stronger" after every battle in Chapter 2 and the Mantle Game reinforces the idea that "becoming stronger" is necessary
>>530815786You will not stop me from fucking the TV, email spam, internet advertisements, pop-up ads, computer viruses, computer, water, shadow people, etc
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>>530821786ralsei deltarune appeared in irl too btw, at the /utg/ meetup, you missed out severely. he forcefully recruited me to his castletown by repeatedly shoving his 12 incher down my throat and giving me some good milk directly into my stomach. i am now trapped in castletown as i write this message, send help, i think ralsei will want me to milk him again soon, send help.
>>530805375>noelle does make a lot of sense due to her angelic appearance in the dark world.Also Spamton and an Addison call Noelle "angel" so there's that
>>530820283Dessappeared? heh
I still don't understand what ERAM is. Is that even its name?
>>530822235I think that one's it/its in the public material too. "Through its sacrifice Hallownest lasts eternal"?
Will do a scan of the text when I get home
>>530822217>factual statements about what he's put into his game and public statements that he's made>"y-you're projecting!!"The first thing Toby says motivated making the Halloween Hack was representation for homosexuals
>>530821856You know, it kinda bothers me how people act as the Soul being the player when the Soul also does a fuckton of shit I find completely unexplicable or not acceptable and at best I just get to choose between it and another option that might not be what I want.
>>530822072realistically i doubt toby would want to be associated with the hot (and unlikely to get less hot) topic that is 'trans children'. he has carefully avoided saying anything one way or the other. i dont see why kris cant be a non binary if you want though since that's trendy now
>>530805949Idiot, it's referring to Queen's Car sections in chapter 2, it's literally the same fucking image, there's no ambiguity
>>530822217I'm probably more right wing than you are.
Post images with Holy element
what are these question marks even supposed to be
I just wanted to make a vidya character
>>530821819susie is now at a point where she actually cares about you.
she might not reciprocate noelle's feelings, but she actually seems to care about ralsei, even being mad at him for being so self-denying.
plus she cares so little about the festival that she seems more invested about spending time with him.
call me crazy but it seems like, there is no such thing as festival to her if he's not there.
so she will bring the festival to him (probably).
i like krusie, but ralsus? i don't mind it.
i hate to see tears flow.
>>530822572I'm not right-wing so that's a given
>>530822439People are just using it as a shorthand to refer to the Mantle in lieu of actually having a name directly told to us.
It's the name of the song that comes on before the Mantle fight.
But it's also MARE backwards so I think the real idea is you're meant to combine it with Knight for Knightmare because you want the Mantle for the Knight.
>>530822661What the fuck are you doing
>>530806843It is, anon is just retarded and took an obvious joke (like the Jockington Prophecy) too seriously
>>530822504>the Soul also does a fuckton of shit I find completely unexplicable or not acceptableYou control the choices you make
>>530822886Noelle's walking me through character creation
>>530822503I don't see what this has to do about anything. The yellow guy uses they/them, so they're explicitly ambiguous. Why does this matter to you so much?
>>530822572are you trying to win a stupid contest to win retarded prizes?
>>530822285I'm working on the reverse summoning ritual to get you out of there but I'm all out of cum so I can't finish the circle make sure to finish yours before the midnight and align it with the star of capricorn btw or this wont work
A reminder for Kris defenders.
Kris will betray his friends. He will break his bonds to become stronger. That's the only way he can fulfill his promise.
He is a shit.
>>530822965You need to post the full context so I can judge you.
>>530822978Using old quotes from him isn't indicative of who he is today. Toby has changed, unlike you.
>>530822989No. I think Toby is a libtard but he's a libtard who made a good videogame.
God damn why is this game actually difficult. Noelle and Alphys keep fucking me over, worst part is that I was REALLY close to Sans too this time. https://lakendacoda.itch.io/underwheels
I'm really digging this era of "Spamton is a coked up slut at every stage of his life" shipping art we're in.
Male Kris exists only for political grandstanding purposes
Female Kris is for pure reasons (cute)
>>530822830If it's the mantle, how did it assumedly separate from the Knight, separate from Seam and wind up alive in the Mantle game? Does Friend have anything to do with it?
>>530823257>>530823164I am a Christian, and I don't believe in abnormal gender-mumbo jumbo or betrayal!
it doesnt matter what kris is. i will rape them regardless
>>530823321I believe Kris is asian between asian twinks are the most fun to abuse
>>530823396That's wierd, Jesus did.
>>530823396Sorry chuddie, facts don't care about your feelings
>>530823206i don't think the insult quite lands the way you wish it to.
in the end, you bought his game and you will have this faggot preach to you how homos phobos will end the world and if you disagree your convictions matter so little until you buckle or agree with him.
either way: you will forfeit your purple lizard to the ho-ho-homosexual for the good ending or suffer like me in a tartarus of the game dev's poorly hidden fetish.
>>530823321This is a dumb argument. Kris's skin isn't yellow because you're supposed to imagine it actually being white or brown, it's yellow because they aren't white or brown. Literally the exact same as the pronoun shit
>>530823604My faith doesn't care about your facts.
do you think Kris is a patient person
>>530823321What am I supposed to think when the people who can tell Susie is a girl and Ralsei is a boy and/or have known Kris their whole life avoid using gendered pronouns and terms? Non-binary seems like the easiest option.
>>530823657>Draw Kris as brown and everything is fine>But call Kris he or she, and everybody loses their mindsMakes you think doesn't it?
>>530823657kris is jaundice race?
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>>530823657>Frisk is actually a racist asian caricature Truly brilliant....
>>530823545Stop slandering Dess
>>530823396wurt'n da hayel an' tarnation is wunnadem "non-bye-nannies?!"
I herd dem CAM-PEW-TOR science teachin' lady that them bye-nannies were sum whacky numb'rin' system with wuns an zeroes!
AHEE!
tha's the craziest thang i's ever heard! how'd you make a FIVE?!
>*cackles in hillbilly*
>>530823782Can you show me the people who get mad if you draw Kris with fair skin, or do they only exist in your head
I wish I had the ambition to make a game like deltarune but I'll never have the same size of audience so even if I did it won't matter the way I want it to. Not that I don't have the talent or capability to make decent stuff, I just lack the drive. I would make such cool gay characters and wouldn't have any of the weird gender politics because I'd tell the freaks to kill themselves for disagreeing with me
>>530823773or... kris could be a boy or a girl who uses they/them as pronouns? you know, something that's seen on twitter all the time?
seriously i don't know why this ends up always being "no he's a boy!" "no they're non-binary!" like the two can't intersect
>>530822681Ralsus is pretty kino with strong feelings from both sides for each other: Ralsei wanting to protect Susie from the prophecy and trying to comfort her whenever she was in problems or questioning herself, while Susie was doing the same, going extra lengths for the goat and been worried about Ralsei not able to go to the festival for half of the available chapters so far.
Krusie is okaysh, Suselle is too comedy coded to even take it seriously, but Susie and Ralsei gives me the same feelings I get from Kris and Noelle's backstory.
I wonder what Toby will end doing with Susie in the festival though. Susie was saying she would take Noelle to the festival but was mostly as a middle finger to Carol, meanwhile her mind is actually busy worried with Ralsei. Dunno if the plot will do something to the festival that will make Ralsei able to be in there and could theorically be the point where Susie will show which of the two holds more weight for her
>>530823952When was it said that people got mad at fair skin?
>>530823782you got me man, i'm actually that random person on Xitter that drew Kris as brown and you're totally exposing me on my hypocrisy here!
kris is a gestalt amoeba colony that reproduces through budding
>>530823985>a boy or a girl who uses they/them as pronounsi dont understand young people anymore, i really dont
>>530823985The game avoids using gendered pronouns AND terms, even when it would be easier to say boy or girl instead of person.
>>530824001ralsei's evil twin asriel
so how are the newfags dealing with one of many thread actors of this thread
>Bring up pronouns
>Thread melty
every time
>>530824137it's still an assumption made when other conclusions are also possible
what are our chances of december '25 release
>>530824001>>530824160Arslie be like "today I will only make ONE cake"
>>530823985This fake woke bit where you pretend that you totally respect Kris's pronouns but you can't "le assume their gender XD" is really embarrassing, don't insult our intelligence, just say you hate fags
>Chapter 5 bosses
Catti and Jockington, Asgore, Plant Schizo, Asriel, Seam
>Chapter 6 bosses
Berdly the Undying (weird route exclusive), Carol, Ramb, Noelle (normal route exclusive)
>>530815583Nice! I canโt wait to see your bag
>>530824325Minimal. Most likely we'll see chapter 5 in September on the anniversary
>>530823952not him, but i think if you said 'kris IS canonically white' you'd get some people losing their shit
>>530824265The assumption is much simpler than other conclusions, especially in a fictional story where Occam's razor most likely applies.
>>530822235*unsheathes needle*
I dont like people spoiling Mother
But I do not tolerate people spoiling Hollow Knight
>>530824370>fake wokewhat, and you're 'real woke'? probably not the place for you in that case
>>530824464Yes, because that would be a false statement, as they're depicted with yellow skin in-game
In the same way that calling them a boy or a girl is a false statement, when they're consistently referred to with they/them in-game
MY PRONOUNS ARE SCHIZO/BOSS
>>530824625Except when the game explicitly called them a "boy or girl"
>>530819265I thought his first name was Jimmy
>>530824520needles? like the 7 needles that hold the dark dragon in place?
>>530823274The only difficult part of it is the fucking bullshit where characters spawn in the middle of the road and you can't avoid them
If you get a lucky streak of chatacters who aren't the cat you'll win
>>530822643Wtf do ANY of the stats mean these faggots just sit in the cafe all day while Im out here wrestling with Kris autism and schizos blasting their freedom at me
>>530823985>>530824097You think that's bad? Imagine being an ESL who doesn't spend half of their time on social media reading posts about muh genders. The whole them/they thing to refer to 1 character feels like getting aneurysm, at times it even feels like reading stuff with bad grammar (but only makes sense if you are way too deep into gender discourse). Makes sense in a way since Kris is 2 entities in one, but most characters don't know this and just feels confusing.
Are Americans even aware of this issue?
>>530824706What gave you the idea his name was Jimmy? It would be funny if it was Mike because of the cat thing
Someone in /dum/ apparently called blue ears "nick" and I like that, so I've started calling them Nick and Mike
how many psyche locks does kris have
>>530824786chapter 6 gimmick trust me
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please tell me this is for a bit where burgerpants joins the party in the dark world and tries imitating kris's finger gun
>>530824787Scalie, Susie, scalie.
>>530819626Still the same
>>530824864he's on that kristoph 5 black locks grindset
>>530824520Anon, I don't think The Knight and Hollow Knight being different people is a twist. It's an initial premise.
I'll never forgive Toby for making me want to fuck mentally ill old men.
>>530824370I earnestly believe assuming someone who uses they/them is non-binary is retarded. Kris is ambiguous in many ways, right down to any expression of emotion from them being portrayed with a standing, stoic sprite while we're told by characters outside of them how they even said it. They actively hide information from us, not just the Shelter Code, but details of their own life, what they like, and it's not limited to us. Nobody knows Kris. The entire game is emphasising how nobody truly KNOWS Kris. If people are going to assert one true identity on them without first letting them say it outright, then it is worse than people who are doing it just to piss off people like you.
I fucking hate every single person in this argument and the lack of nuance surrounding it. I fucking despise every single fucking debate about these lame fucking topics being reduced to "Kris HAS to be this" or "Kris CAN NEVER be that" with no fucking wiggle room, no good faith arguments, no basic decency to assume you don't know fucking everything, NO GOD DAMN SELF AWARENESS TO BE FOUND ANYWHERE THE SECOND THIS RETARDED TOPIC STARTS UP! I'm sick of it, I'm sick of you, I'm sick of everyone else. Go fuck all of yourselves for assuming authorial intent, being hypocrits, being retarded, and most of all NEVER FUCKING LEARNING. You fucking cunts have NO FUCKING PATTERN RECOGNITION
tl;dr: https://youtu.be/erG5GmNWbv8
>>530817637>>530824181Piercing her heart and smashing her skull for everything
>>530824835there was at least one comment on that gendered kris mod from an ESL saying it made the game playable for them
if toby cared about the disabled his games would have difficulty settings and shit, but they don't
>>530824913His color scheme didn't change and he's just wearing a regular suit instead of a fantastical outfit, that's not inside a Dark World
>>530824858Jimmy Hotpants? the guy that sits at QCโs in DR and throws ice blocks into the CORE to cool it down in UT? him?
>>530824221*snowgraves thread*
Now it's frozen solid :^)
>Kris is male
>Susie is straight
>Noelle is going to hell for her crush on susie
Glad that's finally settled
>>530824554You're facetiously pretending that you accept the premise that people can be non-binary and go by pronouns that don't align with their sex so you can claim that your denial of Kris's identity is ACTUALLY more progressive because you imagine they could be a "boy" who exclusively uses they/them pronouns, somehow and everyone who calls them NB is ACTUALLY assuming their gender like a heckin' chud
Basically you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded, knock it off, nobody's falling for it
>>530824835It's less of an American issue and more of a non-english issue. English doesn't use gendered language much at all whereas any romantic language is almost entirely gendered. For us, it doesn't register because we've always used "they" for someone we don't know the gender of. It's just unfortunate that those freaks appropriated that for their own twisted interests.
>>530824835americans are acutely aware of this issue, which is why they keep trying to butcher other languages with shit like 'latinx'
their solution is not to cater to others, but instead to force others to cater to them even when it's completely stupid and involves trying to rewrite an entire language with random fucking 'x's everywhere
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>>530824068when scenes like this and the broken prophecy scene played, it slapped the shit-eating grin right out of my face.
i hope susie keeps on her promise and has fun with him.
i already know that we'll be alone with noelle in ch5 because she is way too excited to go to the festival with us.
susie will search for ralsei and will leave our party to have fun with him, because even she wants to see this dork happy.
asgore is in that dark world and will set fire to the vast garden in rage.
noelle will end all hostilities with ice magic, stop all fires.
the moment we close the fountain and step outside, it will begin to snow.
>the black fountain smoke will convince lightners that there was a fire instead of dark magic.
So does father alvin have long hair or is he wearing a headscarf?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvGMbjdkBJY
>>530824554To the anon who was making fun of this scene and Ralsei splort, I still chuckle at your post once in a while
>>530824068I think he'll make Susie choose Noelle. As much as I want Ralsus over Suselle, I can't see a way Toby could canonize it without also losing the fanbase that will view the Suselle moments as queerbait. Which is a shame, but on the bright side means Susie and Ralsei can continue having kino interactions and advancing the plot without it potentially being made worse by an attempt to rewrite their friendship into a romance.
>>530825124That's ice wolf, dummy. He doesn't even wear pants
Hotpants = Burger/pizzapants
>>530817690it's a utility kilt, mom
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>530824085>Gestaltwhy do people like this word so much.
it is such a non-descriptor.
>>530824703I'm sure you also honestly and consistently believe that Kris is a girl since Lancer pronounces them "cookie and wife," and are not just a dishonest shit-stirring faggot who came here because you got butthurt that a janny won't let you shitpost like this on /v/
>>530825121burgerpants still has to be a wagie even in the dark world
>>530825228>LatinxI know this is currently used just to troll spics, but I hate that there was a time when burgers were unironically using it as a good word for them. Funniest part: they can't pronounce that word without sounding like having a stroke
>>530825248exposed brain like those Isaac enemies
>>530825253if this was the end of the buildup and the goners were actually just punished potato enjoyers, men denied their crops that would be so funny i would strangle Toby
>>530812694I've seen enough AsrielxPapyrus in college stuff to know this might not be a dealbreaker for him
>>530825282No I think it's warranted
>>530799556I will inspect both regularly for their health.
>>530822643They're there to pad out the recruit screen and to be something that Toby can either later on or retroactively make plot relevant.
>>530825361>Ice Wolf can take a break to buy some pants now.>Ice Wolf thinking of changing their name to Jimmy Hotpants.fake fan
>>530825440Hey, more evidence of Kris being a girl, nice find. Thanks!
>>530825248headscarf, there's a cute little bow under his chin
>>530825325I feel Susie will end warming up enough to Noelle to the point of the story ending with a "we might start having a thing together", but considering the urgency Susie has at the end of chapter 4, I do believe she will focus much more on Ralsei than Noelle, at least for chapter 5
>>530825468Only the vocal minority. Don't lump the anti-american pronoun crowd in with the average american. They don't represent us no matter how much the media wants you to believe they do
>>530825253that image evokes a deep seething anger within me
>>530825596>See argument not made in response to youNo. Fucking kill yourself you disengenuous piece of shit, don't assume every single reply you get houses the same fucking contents.
>>530825643You're right, I am fake. Please grant me your mercy.
Pizzapants should be named Mike and it should never be elaborated on.
>>530825437isn't it like multiple shit being combined into a singular being or has the meaning of that word been fucked?
>>530825964no. *shoots you 23 times*
>>530825970dont let dipshits ruin a perfectly sexy word
>>530825212you know i forget sometimes there's people like you who push the idea of 'progressivism' then proceed to force things into roles anyway, who've somehow ended up going all the way to the other end of the horseshoe and prescribe pronouns to specific identities and accept no other possibilities, but then idiots like you show up even on fucking 4chan somehow and i end up being forcibly reminded that even my attempts to be progressive aren't progressive enough
so thanks for the reminder i guess, i'm sure you'll have an actual response that isn't just calling me 'fake' or pointing back to your own reply like it actually says anything other than yelling over a strawman you came up with in your head and attributed to me
Do Catti and Jockington fags still exist?
Kris is actually swamp thing
>>530826071Words like โgestaltโ make my loins shudder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eioABUXuII
>>530825253That's it I'm getting my spud gun
I am so fucking tired of the Kris gender discourse
>>530826136heโs the most important character, he prophesized the defeat of the Titan and is in the prophecy himself
>>530825474>the goner crew are just irish
>>530825474>There's is no Mike, there's is no Gaster, and there's is no Queen of England
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>>530826338It's fake as fuck, you can tell from a mile away it's the same gaggle of retards stuffing the threads with the same arguments every time whenever their bored.
>>530826359yeah cool thought so glad we had this 'discussion'
>>530826476I'm calling out people who are fake actually. See
>>530825212
>>530826136the Bulk and Skull of Deltarune
The REAL debate:
Correcting Kris or letting Kris correct (You)?
So what's up with magic in Deltarune? I know that the dark fountains are determination-based "science", but it is strongly hinted that female Holidays have straight-up ice magic, in the Light World. What's up with that? Why are they an exception, and why only ice magic?
>>530826570toriel is gonna be hungover as shit all festival and i'm all for it
>>530826641look at that fat fuck and his fluffy hair
>>530826136they still like that she's fatcat, but the news catti is snowgrave fodder at best has shaken them
>>530826104Nobody "identifies as a male" and exclusively uses "they/them" pronouns
If this hypothetical person you made up for your tortured argument existed, Kris still isn't them because they are exclusively referred to with gender-neutral terms in all contexts, not just what personal pronoun people use for them
Nobody gives a shit about splitting hairs with pronouns and identity, all that you're doing is giving cover to people who go out of their way to disregard Kris's identity and the plainly stated text of the game to "own the libs"
>>530826640correcting Kris (accidentally)
>>530826582Don't reply to me, I don't care.
>>530825207Based.
>>530825325Don't care, Suselle still has to die violently. I don't want to encourage it or participate in it.
>>530825437Kris-SOUL is a gestalt entity. We don't know where the SOUL ends and Kris starts.
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>>530826875I understand, but please understand I'm on your side, as shown here
>>530825212
>>530826570Hate Sans
Hate Asgore
Hate Kris
Hate Carol
Hate the Knight
I miss chapter 1
This thread is a disaster and I can't even tell why these people are arguing when they seem to be on the same side (both in favor of Kris being "non-binary"). Someone make the next thread already so we can get out of here
>>530826724The forbidden path began with ice magic
For the record, I only linked my own post one extra time to piss that guy off (seems like it worked)
>>530822643Recruitment is only the first step. Next you need to pamper them to truly earn their loyalty. Expect YOUTown side-quests, similar to Undertale's dating side-quests.
>>530826724>but it is strongly hinted that female Holidays have straight-up ice magic, in the Light World.no it isn't, stop freebasing while playing the game
>>530826804damn kris being all cute like that, little shit pisses me off then has the GALL to be cute
>>530827205why are they light world
>>530826724>but it is strongly hinted that female Holidays have straight-up ice magic, in the Light World.I don't recall any line implying this. Unlike Undertale, where magic is taken for granted by monsters, I don't think anyone has spoken of magic in the light world of Deltarune except as a fictional concept.
Noelle even glumly wished she had healing magic to help her dad, and it sounded much like anyone would in real life, not actually suggesting she could become a white mage.
does kris have the frisk slit asian eyes
>>530827265Honestly those should be unlocked by getting unique conversations in the cafe by pairing specific Darkners at the table.
*sips on dr pepper*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqNZcDXjc1U
What should we schizo about today
Ralsei? Spamton? Why is Ralsei pink, a schizo color? Why is [Spamton]?
Who knows...
*floats in thought*
(hard gif of demoman saying "SEE")
>>530827275>Room drops 5 degrees when Carol enters the room>Her hand is so cold it might as well be ice on Kris' shoulderthese are not natural occurences. it's magic, cope as you might
>>530801094>furry pr0n in china can land you in jail with risk of executionsurely this has to be fringe stuff like feral, right?
>>530826804those are his eyes
>>530827275That's why I said "hinted" and not "confirmed", Anon. In the Weird Route the whole room chills, you can see snowflake decorations rotating and character hair fluttering due to sudden chill wind indoors. You can argue it's an artistic choice, but literal interpretation is an equally possible variant.
>>530825970Gestalt is one of those words that can only be said by people like mine.
Gestalt is beautifully linked to the verb "gestalten" (to create), this word feels like you are trying to describe something so beyond your ability to perceive it.
Then we have words like Wesen, which describes a living thing whhich you can't quite pin down. is it human? is it animal? something else or something inbetween?
You could be full-blown godlike and speak of it as a creation and say Kreation or Schรถpfung. (Creation, Conception)
And if you are just some third party but know its a Schlpfung, then its a Geschรถpf.
Is it an ambiguous Tier? then its a Getier.
Is it human but not quite right? menschlich.
is it human but you know its not? menschenรคhnlich.
You'd call a goner a Gesalt, IMAGE_FRIEND and ERAM are Gestalten.
but kris? we can perceive him pretty well.
>>530827476he has red eyes idiot play the game
>>530827568what a way to go
>>530827476kris's eyes are open during the dark world falling animations, you can see a red pixel shining out from his hair shadow
alternatively, frisk is doing it intentionally because he also has red eyes and similarly tries to hide them
>>530822235>>530822446 (me)
The Little Fool refers to the Knight with "they":
>Aha! Another warrior finds their way to our fair Colosseum.These are internal notes:
>the hollow knights have no gender. Check for hims and hes. Is the Wyrm King gendered? probably. or is it that when the wyrm took king form it gained a gender?Hornet is the Gendered Child. She can be referred to as female.>To obscure the knight's gender in this instance, White Prince should probably be replaced with White Saviour.I could've sworn Bretta used "he" but she uses "they" in for example this instance and I can't find any "he"s except for Zote:
>She doesn't dare look, doesn't dare move, fearful the slightest action would break the spell. She knew the presence at her bed, knew the calm only they could bring. Her white saviour, now protector, standing tall beside, powerful, perfect...The fountain says this:
>Memorial to the Hollow Knight>In its Black Egg, far above.>Through its sacrifice Hallownest lasts eternal.I think the general pattern is "it" by people in the know who see the vessels as mindless constructs, "they" by others who just see them as weird people, never "he" or "she". Fandom likes to view them as people with minds and personalities because that's more fun for typical fandom activities and the game does suggest rather strongly that the attempt to keep them mindless failed. So "they" is very justifiable and "he" is a misreading. I'm personally still partial to "it".
>>530827514Try calling Toriel a whore, that's a good trick.
>>530827846so kris's eyes are red even when not being deliberately spookus? weird
>>530824913Even better: Light world battle
>>530826983Now we're getting somewhere, the SOUL is tangible and yet intangible thing with a conscience, with a will. so its sentient.
with sentience but neither animal nor human shape, it becomes a Gestalt.
it is a THING that is somehow endowed with the breath of life.
correct.
>>530827797his eyes glow red, sure. but we don't know their natural color. it would be kinda weird for an adopted child to have the same eye color as toriel
I believe in natural red eye Frisk
>>530827976The thing about DR is that anyone's eyes become red when determined. We see this with Susie when she opens the fountain
>>530826819I'm sad this artist didn't come back for the new chapters
"What if there were three Mikes and they were all fucking stupid"
- Some incredibly based fanfic writer, named Toby Fox
>>530827568people get arrested in china for making completely normal vanilla porn man, off my head there was a guy who did fuck all but vanilla genshin stuff and his ass got sent to the gulag
>>530828181Mike was a waste of time. All it led to was some retarded troll. I'd rather the whole Mike thing not be present at all.
Would you put December's (washed) hoof in your mouth?
Keep in mind she is giggling and calling you a slut as she presses her hoof at your face
>>530828050>kris wears colour contacts just to be edgy
>>530828293mad you got trolled?
> * It's because of the mayor, there... there...
> * There isn't any crime.
> * Makes me wonder if she even needs the police...
> * Or if they're just... g... getting in her way?
> * We're the infamous dog-burgulars, The Wet-Nose Bandits.
> * (We were getting ready to sneak into that big house over the holidays...)
> * When we were attacked from the shadows, by something MERCILESS!
> * (Fearing for our lives, we all ran right into Officer Undyne's warm, loving arms...)
> * And she suplexed us all into the snow with our tails hanging in the air.
> * (Now we're in jail, but at least we're alive...)
This suggests to me that Carol is unnaturally powerful, perhaps magically so. Though then again we see Undyne bench-pressing cars.
You could do a game theory about the presence of snow. I don't know if the implication is that this happened months ago or that there was unnatural snow when Carol did her thing.
>>530828293It's a Toby troll with a banger, I'll allow it
>>530828227that's fuckin' crazy. they really be keeping the gooners down over there
>>530828361Very. I don't appreciate being edged for 4 years like that.
>>530822886You can tell it's AI because it thinks ... Is the sexiest thing possible.
>>530828312No, but I would Toriel's huge toes
It would be funny if the form FRIEND took for the final boss fight was a cowboy. Not because I actually want that but to see so many people literally die of brain rot just from viewing it
>>530828069Based
One of those theories that are probably false but that I'd prefer to be true
>>530828517>toby gets so sick of the fanbase he subjects them to TOTAL WOODY DEATH via FRIENDi can believe it
Friskโs eyes are the attack bar (thereโs art of that somewhere)
>>530828293trolling schizo theoryfags is awesome and toby needs to put more moments like that in the game
I hope the culmination of the egg man ARG is a bunch of annoying dogs hatching from your eggs and nothing else
>>530828664frisk sees the world in 16:9 aspect ratio
>>530828460https://e621.net/posts?tags=switcher-roo
>>530828696Back to work, Toby
*whipcrack*
>>530823657The level of double think is off the charts with this one. You do know China isn't filled with bright yellow humans roaming around right?
>>530828517gratitous cowboy outfit is always kino
Wait, how many people actually think FRIEND is a final boss contender
It's still so weird to me how we still have "kris is actually soulless"/"we're a replacement" discussion when spamton explicitly says that no one has a soul like the one representing us when you meet him in the alleyway. I guess people who refuse to separate the games are just too mindbroken to realize the "soul" in deltarune isn't a literal thing like it is in undertale, but alas
>>530828227In Russia it's basically the same as piracy. It almost never happens, but sometimes authorities want to make an example out of people. It's usually an excuse, and the real reason is different (like being transgender or something).
When they're not after you specifically, they usually just threaten you to take down your content, and nothing happens to you if you do.
>>530828069But do you believe that Chara has brown eyes?
>>530828696If only he was as diligent in trolling the alphabet cult, as much as he does the theorists.
That's what really bugs me.
Kris has glowing red eyes because Toby thinks it's cool.
Kris covers his eyes with his hair because he thinks they're creepy.
I want to fuck Kris because I think his red eyes are hot.
>>530829039i believe what i see and the sprites are brown
I can't believe there's evidence for Kris being f*male... how am I supposed to enjoy krisriel now
>>530829106You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
red soul, red eyes. soulless, brown/black eyes. Eyes are windows to the soul.
>>530829024Spamton is so schizo he spawns like 20 theories I'm over it personally
So, will the neutral Route hold anything of value, or will it just be a neutered pacifist route that treats you as the devil for missing one recruit? Because all things considered, I don't want to recruit every enemy, not the way the current recruit system works, with how you lose your chance permanently for even attacking one enemy.
>>530827930I know what you are
>>530828776This is fucking Johnny Bravo tier. Why do people get off to this..
Ok but actually a soul mechanic with the concept of moving the bullets instead of the soul itself sounds amazing. That should be gray
>>530828972Plenty
A titan or titan army would be so boring unless they go FFX and you have to fight in sections
>>530829221Then I approve. That the red eyes are Frisk's own makes them special. Them both having red eyes is bad in my worldview.
It even gives Frisk a reason for keeping their eyes always shut. Perhaps they were mistreated for their "unnatural" eye color.
>>530829506the game wont end all the same?
>>530829582Johnny is conventionally attractive though?
>>530829591because the big adult website for manly men is still hopelessly addicted to poop jokes
>>530829363I'd be ashamed to be fed by those freaks. They ruin everything they touch. They took a character like Ralsei, and...you know what they did to him, fucking perverts.
>>530829710It all ends the same in that (you) stop playing
>>530828368The Knight is some sentinel of the Holidays, I'm assuming
>>530797926i wake. ill start taking reqs next thread probably
>>530829691being shunned by your hometown/parents/whatever would probably give you a reason to climb the suicide mountain, yes.
>>530829710I'm not too sure anymore. We're halfway through, and it feels like the same general ending will be reaches. Which is a shame. Undertale has a whole bunch in it's neutral route that actually makes it worth playing. Like, i dunno, actual danger and stakes, that are taken away when you know you can just spare everything at level 1.
post gotes with rectangular pupils
>>530829024>when spamton explicitly says that no one has a soul like the one representing usNo, he says he's never seen one like that before, because Kris is a Lightner
He's just as happy to take Susie and Ralsei's souls too when they show up before the NEO fight
>the "soul" in deltarune isn't a literal thing like it is in undertaleThe SOUL is a literal physical object you can push into things
The book on SOULs in the Librarby is the same as in Undertale
The Dark World can resurrect Gerson from the dead because his dust and his hammer contain his SOUL
>>530823293Coked up slut Addispam thinking no one can see the coke on him because he's already white (everyone can tell he's on coke by how he acts)...
>>530830009my feeling tells me that we can end the game by breaking the prophecy in both ways.
the dev and how the game communicates it, it feels like all games end the same and the moral is that you should enjoy the ride, not how it ends. (don't cry because its over, smile because it happened)
>logically speaking and knowing tobert i think that toby will make ONE VERY SPECIFIC good ending and all others end the world.
>>530829769>you know what they did to himToby knew exactly what he was doing
>>530812372Everytime someone draws friend with the orb tail and the pointed spike from the prophecy I die a little inside. It's so SO on the nose.
I'd be sad if the actual design ends up exactly the same. I want more vagueness and otherworldiness.
>>530830410I've been GOONING to Ralsei for a very long time but even I was shocked that Toby gave him uwu-speak dialogue. Not even I would do that
>>530829914Frisk is different from Chara. Chara climbed it for "unhappy" reason. Frisk did it for different reason.
>>530827567it's not magic, it's figurative. she's a spine-chilling scary bitch. monsters in the light world show no signs of using undertale/dark world magic, because if they could, rudy could just be healed with a little spell.
>>530827687that's clearly not noelle's doing though, it's the soul doing poltergeist shit as soon as (You) choose to say "Me", probably specifically to scare her into submission.
>>530830491I know the feeling
In their defense, wtf else can they do with what little info toby has given
>>530799403 (OP)>Oversaturated Ralsei plushescringe, where's the lightner merch wave
anyone got that sonic/santiago image but with the femboy ralsei as an impostor
>>530829886I think the knight might be Carol's katana, which might have Dess somehow imbued into it.
>>530830617The important part is that he did it because Susie liked it
>>530830410They're demented faggots. They took a non-sexual character, and ruined him for everyone. It's like taking Vivi, the Black Mage from Final Fantasy Seven, and doing the same, it's depraved.
>>530830741Will your post sound better or worse with context
>>530830623>Frisk did it for different reason.Bit of a maybe-maybe-not there situation. There's no proof it was a different reason at all. Asriel knows that Chara knew that "everyone knew the legend". So assuming that still held true a hundred years later, Frisk went to a place that they knew nobody comes back from.
Only Toby can say why.
Kris being nb, Kris meant to be ambiguous or humans being hermaphrodites in ut/dr are all valid interpretations.
>>530830617he should say "yiff yiff" next
>>530830729>NEVER EVER. because theyโre le real and important lore stuff and wahhhhhhh!!! *runs away*-Toby
>>530830939One of Toby fox's extremely unbased takes.
>>530830821>They took a non-sexual characterRiiiight....
>>530830835it calls the real Ralsei a good trustworthy boy and that thick thighed femboy one with the weird floating cubes at the end of his scarf that everyone draws for some reason a dangerous terrorist or something
>>530830939something something ODDTAXI
>>530830879>humans being hermaphrodites in ut/drnot this one
>>530828460>>530828776>Noelle immediately turning (You) into a Skyrim mod tier titty monster when given the chanceSounds canon and I don't like that
Google is run by a pack of feral nigger jews.
Refute me
>>530830939We already had videogame copies of Lightners. Chapter 2 features Dark World plushies of Lightners, that is a valid target for plushues, too.
>>530831264the japanese script of undertale
>>530831347In what way does it rule this out?
>>530831323you get blocky statues that look like two guys from minecraft fucking, take it or leave it.
>>530831305undertale?
>>530831305I've known that since 2012
>>530826338https://www.nexusmods.com/deltarune/mods/23?tab=posts
Anon you should use this mod
>>530830939what even does it mean
how deeply and profoundly will toby betray us
Sans will ride the final upgrade of the Thrash machine into Undertale and it will crash and burn in snowdin
>>530812372He's done nothing to help. I want weapons that can kill, I want a playable character whose interests align with my own.
>>530830821I meant to say Nine, not Seven.
>>530831064Right. He was trying to help, to be important.
>>530830332The ride's been tampered with already. From the world ending threats(coming directly from your player character) being ignored by the game's characters, to the antagonists having having full conversations with me right in front of my face without being able to engage them in battle.
>>530831506the machine in his shedโฆ
>>530830821i gotta side with the faggots here.
ralsei was initially cute and then he got feminized and uwu-fied.
i don't really blame them for claiming him as the rightful domain of homotopia, but i would prefer if they weren't such hyperfaggots.
like, come on.
tone it down.
>>530831262Watch ODDTAXI. I'm thinking there's a 5% chance that Toby steals one of its twists. It's a short anime series about animal people and a taxi driver
>>530831347Damn I can't believe how secondary I am. Toby kill me for I am sinner and didn't learn the heavenly moonrunes.
Thread is too close to being dead to post any serious theories so
*slllluuuuuuurrrrrrrrrpps*
Given Ralsei a list of important tasks so he feels useful and belonging but all the tasks are things like "sit on this recliner to test its long term comfort"
>>530828293"Mike is a red herring" is itself a red herring because fucking "Tenna always said 'Mike acted different' after that other guy left", which implies there was a real Mike that Tenna and Spamton probably knew who fucked off when those 2 split up.
Also Mike being just a troll makes no sense when it's hinted to be somewhat important two times in the Spamton Sweepstakes
Anyways my schizotheory is that this was all FRIEND shenanigans and Mike is one of his pseudonyms. FRIEND is the hand that controls its puppets from behind the scene via blasting electromagnetic radiation or something.
>>530831445Too late, I got the Modtool and did it myself a month ago.
>>530831623I'll link to this in the next thread and explain the twists.
>>530831380Toriel assist trophy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urRH5uxz5n4
Who's ready for the chapter 6 remix
>>530831623>trying to make my backlog even longerwhat does this have to do with merchandise
>>530831768That's nice, you could try to provide some feedback to the modder though
>>530831763I think there's something to one of the Mike candidates saying "maybe when we pretend to be Mike we become him"
FRIEND acting on the world via esoteric puppeteering magic
>>530831515that either means the end is either delayed or the ending conditions cannot be met.
>trust me, i know boolean math and logic gate scripting.
>>530830185So you're just going to conveniently gloss over how spamton was around Noelle when they would all play together in the past? Funny.
We know for a fact Ralsei doesn't have a soul, so to assume that's why he attacked them is also false.
Our entity, the "red soul" is an object. The soul all beings have is not. And claiming the soul is stored in the object with their dust is plain wrong, because if you want to continue applying undertale logic to it, the soul ceases to exist when a monster dies anyway.
Who is the worst kiddo? (You) or Noelle?
>>530831878He's not that schizo, it's fairly short and the twist might have deltarune implications
>backlog*slams odd taxi to the top of the list* we have good taste, trust
>>530831515Why is this anon so autistic about how he wants to play the game?
>>530832029sure, your series can date my eyes, but it has to defeat my 1000+ evil Kamen Rider episodes first.
...What If Ralsei really Is just Asriel's dust and someone else told the family he would be back from college soon with his phone? His dust could be being placed at every location.
>>530831768That version supports CH3 and CH4
>>530831989People love to disassociate when it doesnโt eff cut them directly
>>530832091I have very specific tastes. I'm just autistic.
What if Ralsei is a stool?
>>530830657No one argues that magic is a commonplace, Anon. But there's clearly some mystic shit goin' on. You can call it "holy miracle" if you don't want to see "magic" word, but something is there.
>butHealing magic does not exist. We are discussing ice bending here.
>>530832276Kris used to chat with him deep into the night until the internet went out. If he's dead then either there's a god-tier impersonator or he died very very recently
>>530831878I'll say them here, then. First twist is the main character was in a car crash with his parents who both died and from that moment on he hallucinates everyone including himself as animal people, this goes away at the end after he inadvertently recreates the trauma during a car chase. The second twist involves a murder of one of a trio of idols that a lot of the plot is based on. It's revealed that the girl brought in to replace her without anyone knowing did it, and nobody could link her to it except the main character who drove her to the acting studio that day. The ending of the main series has the murderer getting into the main character's cab for a ride and to possibly eliminate him as a witness. I think Toby would reveal that we're seeing Hometown not exactly as it is and having lightner Light World merch would spoil it, or that Kris killed the vessel and replaced them in the Dreemur family or prophecy.
>>530832380*effect them
This is what i get for being a mobilefag.
>>530832451It's obviously manifested of her umatched vril
>>530832276>can only come back to life in specifc dark worldshow the fuck would he even keep asriel's dust with him?
>>530831991Why does her foot look cut off in both these gifs?
>>530832507just give us the Susie plush, Bobby.
>>530832430Ralsei is Dess' and Asriel's stillborn child that was left in the supply closet of the school.
>>530832591woah, watch out we got badass over here.
keep smiling
*throws liquor bottle at ralsei*
watch ralsei end up being a shoe or some shit
>>530832409Play any bogstandard RPG like the final fantasy games instead then instead of constantly being a obnoxious crybaby about this one not catering to your whims, the whole point of Deltarune is that you and Kris are not the same people and are at odds
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>>530831978>spamton was around NoelleDess, but that's beside the point that Spamton hasn't encountered another Lightner in the Dark World until Kris shows up
>We know for a fact Ralsei doesn't have a soulNo we don't
>* KRIS!!! YOU HAVE [Friends]!?>* WHY DON'T YOU TELL THEM ABOUT MY [3 for One Specil]!>* SOMEONE LEFT [There] SOULS, [Lyeing Around......]>Our entity, the "red soul" is an object. The soul all beings have is not.There's no reason to assume that the material nature of Kris's SOUL is different than any other human SOUL like we see in Undertale, beyond the fact that we are possessing it and filling it with our light
>claiming the soul is stored in the object with their dust is plain wrong* (It's a book about Monster Funerals. Read it?)
* ... When monsters die, their dust will be spread over what they loved.
* An object that symbolizes their existence. That object will be buried...
* And in such a way, their soul be able to rest, WITHIN THAT OBJECT, and the earth.
* Of course, everyone knows that. That's why this is the introduction...
>asriel is actually le dead and ralsei is his ashes!!!
Coma theory-tier babble. Please use your brains
>>530832473>deep into the nightIf Kris started talking to Asriel only after It got dark I wonder
If only Kris truly understood I have not even shown HALF of my full power yet
>>530832802No. Every game I play must confirm to my interests and tastes in waifus and the plot must go exactly how I want and predict it.
>>530832923the baking approaches
YOUR BAKING TOO LONG IS BAKING TOO LONG
Ralsei is a copy of Undertale.
>>530830617>>530830410>>530830821>>530831621Ralsei was a repressed NEET who is slowly starting to open up, it's why he's acting more ... brave ... in the more recent chapters.
He spent literally his whole life alone in the castle town, waiting for you. No shit he's not going to go "uwu pawsie me daddy" right away. People take time to open up, especially those who have spent the recent years of their lives in isolation.
>>530832894Kris does understand.
That's why you gotta go into the cage.
>>530832805What's curious is that absolutely NO Darkner pay any mind to Ralsei, who is supposedly the prince of the Dark
Ralsei is either fake or super camouflaged which would explain his weird reactions to talking about his face
>>530833102there has to be context right
>>530833067Because if it is otherwise then it is wrong and I can never be the problem or cause of the conflict of interest.
Almost missed this thread I love my vessel very very much.
>>530832802Oh, I've got loads of those, actually. Chrono Trigger is pretty cool, that's a game I like a lot.
But don't tell me it makes sense to have Queen just walking up and...touching me, and I'm just supposed to sit and watch. It takes away any danger she could have possibly posed in my mind. When Mettaton did this, he was completely indestructible.
>>530832805You do realize that we often say "may their soul rest in peace" irl referring to the religious connotation of a soul, right? For a game heavily focused on religious themes, are you really taking this concept of every being having a physical soul object at face value? So the monster's soul can rest is no different than how we hope a real living person does. Furthermore, the game explains in a book prior to this that the soul isn't a known subject, and that in itself is a clear indication that this is entirely different from undertale
>Kris moves Quiz choice by himself
>Kris moves your character to prevent you from approaching Shelter in the "original" game
>Kris solves piano puzzle by himself
Why the fuck I'm even here, then? Kris, you can do things just fine, so just fucking do it by yourself. This is a legitimate question.
>>530833143Tbf assumedly from their pov ralseiโs kingdom is relatively new and itโs just starting out, they only have a single town after all.
>>530833143There is one instance in chapter 4. The Zapper talks about Ralsei serving him tea. It's one of the few times anyone really acknowledges him.
>>530831763>"Tenna always said 'Mike acted different' after that other guy left"i think the implication is that tenna himself acted different, and the microphone just reflected him. like a mirror made of glasss oooo symbolism
>>530833346You're their heart. You pump oxygen and all the other magic stuff you do is because of forces beyond their comprehension altering Kris's body.
>>530832802I liked chapter 1, you know. The bullshit had yet to show itself by then. I was convinced that the game would change from there, instead of being business as usual with chapters 2 and 3.
>>530833346That too. No way to describe how that bugs me. It makes my presence worthless. I'd rather have Kris be the vessel I was actually given, to cut down on the nonsense.
>>530818424>If it were really Jevil, the effect wouldn't only be present when on SusieWell, it's not. The effect happens even if the tail is equipped to Ralsei or Kris.
>>530822643Placeholders for secret stats like how Kris still has a placeholder on their statline (occasionally filled by a sleeping dog.)
>>530822503Tobyโs revision of history doesnโt change the fact he said faggot.
>>530823657Then whyโs it okay for people to draw Kris as black?
>>530833346Because he needs you to seal the fountains with your light and some other reason involving the conspiracy. Dumb ass
>>530834163Anon why do you wish to blaze through the game instead of actually enjoying the narrative
>>530837449It isn't. Kris is a they/them Simpson and you will like it.
>>530826104Hypocrite that you are, since you want to force Kris into a role yourself.
>>530837816if you can't read don't reply
>>530829149Madotsuki uses both male and female bathrooms so Yume Nikki is set in the UTDR universe where all humans are hermaphrodites
>>530824370>you have to assume that a character from a fantasy story where monsters and dinosaurs built the civilization and there is barely any humans present, subscribes to contemporary sexual ideologies and actively chooses wacky modern identity or you are homophobe!You are worse than tumbrl's shippers.
Kris
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Kris is male.
>>530799556Tenna's reproductive organ is his nose(this was stated). Spamton had a pussy(he lays eggs) which he lost in the [Burning Acid] incident.
>>530808567aww i got hard
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