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>Are mystery dungeon games allowed in this thread?
Generally yes, most mystery dungeon games(Shiren the Wanderer, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Etrian Mystery Dungeon, etc.) can be considered roguelikes too
>Is Elin/Elona allowed?
Yes, they are roguelikes
>Is Dwarf Fortress allowed?
If it's adventure mode, yes, that could be considered a roguelike, the same can't be said about its other modes though
>FAQ
https://l.idrix.fr/J7sOv
>What to Play
https://l.idrix.fr/eYNOh
>Individual Game Pastas
https://l.idrix.fr/wXd8t
>Roguelike Archive (Collection of pretty much every free roguelike there is)
https://archive.org/details/ArchiveRL.7z
>/rlg/'s "official" Cataclysm: DDA fork
https://github.com/cataclysmbnteam/Cataclysm-BN/releases


>News
28 June 2025 - Shadow of the Wyrm v1.8.4 released - https://www.shadowofthewyrm.org/downloads.html
26 June 2025 - Gloamvault b21 released - https://store.steampowered.com/app/3460840/Gloamvault/
22 June 2025 - Steam Sky 11.0.2 released - https://thindil.itch.io/steam-sky/devlog/971350/version-1102-arrived
20 June 2025 - Overworld v2.5 released - https://redasteroidgames.com/overworld/
19 June 2025 - NLarn 0.7.7 released - https://nlarn.github.io/news/2025/06/19/release-0.7.7
18 June 2025 - Tangaria "Deeptown Era" released - https://tangaria.com/news/deeptown-era/
9 June 2025 - Coop Catacombs 1.6 released - https://aikoncwd.itch.io/coop-catacombs

>/rlg/'s shared DCSS online account
User: rlgrobin
Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua)

Roguelike Servers
https://angband.live/ (Angband and variants)

>playing CDDA for the first time in years
>stumble upon a compound with an unknown flag
>it's an agender flag (?)
>compound is a full on marijuana grow op
>pretty funny
>new run
>kill a group of nearby zombies because I'm a lumberchad
>three of them are wearing different kinds of sexuality pride socks
Is there any way to tone this down? I really don't give a shit about the occasional sexuality flag but it's pretty excessive how pervasive they've been in my first few runs

>most mystery dungeon games can be considered roguelikes
>most
Is there a real time mystery dungeon out there or something?

>>530814112
Cataclysm DDA's based on a mental ill person's perception of reality where commercialized identity politics are being actively promoted by individuals all over the country instead of by a handful of urbanites that make it their life mission to kiss billionaire boot, so no.

are we still arguing about Cataclysm
>>530814112
play a fork that isn't DDA???

pray for my soul arelgee

>>530814872
I don't think there's any argument to be had that DDA is propagandist to an annoying degree, is there?

>>530814872
How's the last generation? I've only ever played DDA
>>530814851
It's just stupid, man. Like, a few sexuality flags here and there is whatever. But don't make this SS13. Realism isn't everyone wearing bisexuality socks and flying agender flags

>>530815565
fuck if I know I stopped playing DDA years ago

>>530815649
Last generation is a new fork, if that's what you're speaking to

>>530816606
no I mean I stopped playing DDA a few years back and since I've come back I've only played BN, which is exactly what I wanted so it's fine

>>530815565
Like every fork of DDA this late it lacks either the intention or the balls to cut back on the garbage, and TLG in particular is devved by a troon.

>>530816694
What does BN offer over DDA? I usually only see vague things like, it adds back in the "fun" or is like old DDA. I've never tried it
>>530819635
I don't care if a troon devs it. The roguelike fan and dev base has a hugely disproportionate amount of troons compared to other genres

>remembering that one time in highschool when one of the girls in my group said that she used to stealthly masturbate in the busy underground because it gave her a thrill but stopped herself just shy of admitting it publicly in front of everyone...
in catacylsm the next generation

>>530820021
>things that definitely happened

>>530819635
Kevin spent more than a decade weeding any form of critical thinking out of the dev community. Night_Pranik was the last person involved with DDA who wasn't a braindead bootlicker. There will be no useful forks of DDA going forward for that very reason, just cult splinters that broke off over discord drama because some troon's bloat PR didn't get merged.

>>530819971
Pretty much everything DDA does but in half the key presses, and the pride bullshit is offloaded into a mod.

This weekend either I work on my roguelike or I roguelike myself

>>530819971
>The roguelike fan and dev base has a hugely disproportionate amount of troons compared to other genres
What a (((coincidence))) that in the last several years the only successful roguelikes have been slavic or japanese.

>>530821901
Caves of qud was developed by americans

>last thread was so bad mods went back and deleted all 800 posts in it
grim
>>529272463

What happened to the last thread? why did all posts got deleted?

not a single post was about actual roguelikes

to continue from yesterday: is the dwarf berserker a boring class to play in TOME?

that's the only one ive tried so far

>>530827980
I don't think it's boring just because you don't have to read several paragraphs in the description of every skill. Although it's not the easiest class to beat the game with in my opinion, your plan A is "activate immortality for 5 turns and bump things" and if that does not work plan B is starting a new character. Also there is another class that has the same immortality button and is better at bumping things so there's that.

>>530825384
Qud is like 20 years old.

>>530829705
I mean, it just went 1.0 to wide praise. What are successful recent roguelikes then

>>530819971
>What does BN offer over DDA?
BN is like cataclysm from 5-10 years ago but with updates. It plays very differently, the most notable thing being all the wacky strategies and weapons that were in the game at that time are still included. It's definitely worth a look but I have been playing TLG and enjoying it recently. If you want something that isn't as dramatically different from DDA like BN is then TLG is more like that.

>>530826751
I dunno, I thought that was weird too, never saw it before. I assumed it was some kind of 4chanx issue on my end.

>>530830554
1.0 on a 20 year old game with a ~10 year EA phase is practically a formality. Also, perfect scores from PC gamer and Eurogamer only amounts to this much? What a shame, what a shame.

>>530831224
The core gameplay loop is almost identical in both games from what I've seen, DDA just has a dogshit UI and really stupid mechanics like holding tab for too long making your character's lungs explode and important looting QOL features being rendered borderline unusable because of pockets.

>>530831224
what start are you playing?

>>530832023
>untitled.png

>has cat girls that you can milk
>doesn't have cat girls you can milk
>doesn't have cat girls you can milk

>>530832325
>The core gameplay loop is almost identical in both games from what I've seen
yeah that's basically true, what I meant was more the way you approach gameplay is very different. The controls and basic concepts are very similar.
>>530832492
I always do prison because I like using prisons as bases. I was lucky in my current game where my spawn was a prison-lab too. You need to start with pretty high devices skill or lockpicking to make it tolerable though, so you can pick the doors to get out.

>>530830554
Stoneshart, Soulash 2 when you account for the fact it's by one literalwho pole and not an entire studio that's involved with a weird pedo sex cult.

>>530832492
Prison is practically free points and free killer drive. Oh right, I should mention that BN has Killer Drive.

>>530832626
>be japanese
>make good video games
Shrimple as that.

>>530832023
Oh, quasimorph. That game is great. When are they going 1.0?
As for Elin, is there enough content to justify a purchase? I've been curious about it

>>530820186
Yes. It was quite weird, but to be fair we went out to watch nymphomania part 1 (in the refugee center)

>>530831489
Must've been a janny that got butthurt

Hunting with a dog is so much fun, holy shit.

>>530827980
I'd recommend, no matter what you start playing as, to make it your primary goal to go for unlocks, it will give you the ability to play much more interesting characters, and are a much shorter term goal than beating that entire monster of a game. Here's the unlock conditions list, and one with reduced spoilers
https://te4.org/wiki/Unlockables
https://te4.org/wiki/Unlockables_(Reduced_Spoilers)

>>530834153
No janny is going to bother deleting all posts, it was most likely a bug, not the first time it happened

>>530827980
Melee's usually less boring than ranged in TOME but I don't recall dwarf being all that interesting.

>trying to trick myself into enjoying Enter the Gungeon
>7h 3rd floor only
Bros...I expected this to be like a Nuclear Throne+Isaak+RoR with unique characters and cool items but so far it feels awful. Same characters, damage sponges, shit weapons, shit rewards for clearing rooms (no rewards), shit items (more like no items at all), no keys, no ammo. And all this with bullet hell cancer. It's so unrewarding and frustrating to play. Is this one of those games where you need to endure and clear it at least once to unlock all game changing fun stuff and mechanics?

>>530841773
>Is this one of those games where you need to endure and clear it at least once to unlock all game changing fun stuff and mechanics?
We call these notaroguelike here

I'm getting a bad gateway error on the OP pastebins.
Am I missing something?

>>530841773
The only thing that's really a direct upgrade in EtG are the secret characters, who they never bothered balancing, so I consider using them cheating, otherwise no, the game is just really hard.

>>530826751
I don't know but when I checked before going to sleep there were two people arguing for hours that singlehandedly pushed us like 100 posts past the bump limit

>>530845109
It's probably the hipster pastebin site going offline. I can't even remember when that version of the OP was made so this may be a good chance to make another if it doesn't come back pm

>>530847157
likely it was about DCSS or CDDA, those game really need their own generals, all other talk here gets drowned out by arguments concerning one of those two games.

Ok I'm going to Dreadfell next, which people say is really hard, so any tips?

>>530848645
A DCSS thread has been tried before but people just come here anyway. And the gachashit has overrun this board to the point that neither thread would survive if discussion was split

>>530841773
Not a roguelike but I will say you should be playing that game with cheat engine on 1.5x or 2x speed because the pacing is total dogshit.

>>530848832
Fuck on my way to dreadfell (like 3 tiles away) the godfeaster event happened. I'm minimum level for it, level 30. Do I accept or reject it?

>>530851464
I never do it because it's full of enemies that disable all your sustains

>>530848832
Make sure you have track (body armors and lanterns sold is shops sometimes have it) and use it often. Some cuck tunneling on the last level to prepare for the master can help if you're not against that sort of thing.

>>530852058
Since writhing one doesn't need a lot of generic points, when leveling awhile ago I swapped to a bunch of cunning gear only when doing the levelup, and wound up putting 3 points in track, which gives you a decent radius even when you have very low cunning. and I brought a pickaxe, because someone earlier mentioned the tunneling strategy when I was about to fight Urkis. I brought some darkness resist gear in my backpack in case it was necessary, but it was just a guess, I'm not sure if I need it.

what's an ezmode ranged weapon combo (that's not minotaur)? I want to pew pew

>>530865820
Spriggan. You can't play them completely mindlessly because they have very low HP but they also move so fast you can reliably kite enemies and walk away from most fights

Bright nights kinda sucks

got an itch to play a roguelike now but like usual i'm indecisive about which one I wanna play. torn between ToME, Elin and coop catacombs

>>530871369
I've been on a crazy ToME streak recently, been playing it basically nonstop. Don't have Elin yet, and haven't even heard of Catacombs.

in RoR2 is Aurelionite's blessing supposed to melt your PC if you are playing engineer or was it a weird item combo that made enemies drop a gorillion treasures per second?

I maxed out my Strength and Magic on Writhing One, what stats do I level now? I feel like it should be constitution, because I feel a bit squishy once my damage shields from shed skin and shatter afflictions are gone (at 691 max health atm), maybe some dex because I still miss things occasionally, Online guides say cunning is important but I already have a good track and I'm critting a lot already. And obviously willpower won't do much except improve my mental save so I shouldn't do that.

>>530873032
I never got too into tome but I've had fun the handful of times I did play it. Elin is cool and gets updated fairly frequently but I haven't played in a while so i'm behind on what's new. coop catacombs is in the OP, it's a roguelike dungeon crawler with some pseudo multiplayer elements like dark souls style messages from other players and the ghosts of players who died haunting the floor the you're on

Mental health is a no-brainer dump stat for any self-respecting rogueliker.

>>530874165
We don't get to decide out own dump stats, god decides them, and for me he decided charisma.

>Barely sapient cow man goes on demon fueled rampage fueled by god
This has sure been an interesting run.

the DDA fags argued for like 100 posts but didn't bother making a new thread and now jannies nuked all the post in the previous thread including a few screenshots I was looking at

>>530870319
yes

>>530887070
Why did they remove statdeath, again?

>>530831224
tlg has a solid direction, definitely more invested in it than dda at this point

>>530890104
No clue. Apparently it just slows you now.

The only thing I can figure is that it was easy for some characters to just straight die with no way to recover? But I rarely ever had that happen.

Fire staff and an un-upgraded Fireball is all I need. I'm not sure that I like the direction of making early game items absurdly powerful in this game.

https://youtu.be/-13LUfagQhY?si=7IJA2eUmFAesOR7B

>>530827980
Wyrmic is a decent melee class, you start with the fungus skill tree so your defense is pumping max hp and out-healing damage done to you
There are dragon breath skills but they are a trap. Wyrmic's main draw is melee skills that hit in an AoE, and while hitting multiple enemies isn't the most useful thing in ToME you can hit things without wasting turns walking up to them

>>530873829
All characters want cunning lategame because all characters want to crit
Accuracy you can get from gloves, juggernaut gloves are the other kind to look out for, or just scan everything you get for accuracy bonuses, it's usually near the top

>>530892274
Staves are the only real case I can think of where one item is a gigantic power spike. The rest are pretty moderated in their power levels. Summoner shoes are good too I guess but they don't scale all that well.

These boss levels are dumb. Thanks for wasting my time with this shit. No I don't want to get ass raped by a 99 range mega troubler and the beast king of inferno who shits out ultra durable spawner fiends with 14 range.

Pope is having a good time. He can only take 700 damage per turn but my dogs all have to finish their attack animations anyway so it takes 20 seconds to render each turn that passes.

is hyperrogue the ugliest roguelike

>>530902915
contra 3 be like

>>530902915
that looks disgusting

>>530814112
>CDDA devs
>make all civilian gun spawns compliant with restrictive Massachusetts gun laws
>remove autodocs from everything but labs (Rubrik is honorary autodoc)
>make half of all zombies kitted out in gay merch
All in the name of realism, lmao.
>just play BN
Despite the flaws and annoying development decisions, DDA has too much I like that BN doesn't.

>>530902915
Who signed off on that abomination?

>>530899067
I've been in a coma for seven years, what roguelike is this?

>>530909534
rift wizard 2 (it requires a locked version of windows to play)

>>530909572
looks a bit like Powder, with the fullbright overblown colors. it definitely has 'a' look.

>>530908719
How about The Last Generation branch? I haven't played it personally yet, but most of the changes I saw seem alright.

>>530909803
Those are all particle effects, its a lot less confusing when you see it when a million particle effects aren't going off.

I remember when I tried to go for a single spell with Spikeball factory and every turn took like 5s lag to finish and came with a billion sound effects mixed into one platter of ear rape. That was quite the experience.

>>530911097
I dunno, only came back to the game within the last week after being away from it for like half a year. TLG seemed like a pretty recent fork, not sure how different they are at the moment.

>>530912234
Seems like they wanted to do more classic CDDA with it being a near future thing and adding back the robots and CBMs while removing the Exodii.

>>530911852
RW2 has a lot of spells like that, which aren't exactly bad but are a major pain in the ass to play with.

>>530902915
it's a tie between hyperrogue and ToME

>>530913536
Might have to check it out and see if I can jam MoM or bombastic perks into it

>Kevin trying to figure out which feature to remove to make the game more realistic

>>530902915
Hyperrogue looks fucked on purpose.
Tome4 straight up just looks like that because the dev thinks that's good.

>>530833839
A shame OWH2 won't be as good

>>530938354
As long as it's by smoking wolf and not spike chunsoft I think it will work out well.

Best mods for CDDA? Looks like Blaze doesn't work with the latest experimental

>>530939883
Arcana

>>530911097
I'm playing it right now and it's pretty good. They made huge balance changes to almost all of the relevant meta armors, even changing the layers of some of them. They increased encumbrance across the board too, I'm trying to figure out the most efficient setup. Looks like maybe chainmail + boiled leather.

>>530941932
It also allows you to throw enemies, and makes certain mutations into actual body parts (like hooves which replace your feet and prevent you from wearing shoes)

>>530948842
>It also allows you to throw enemies,
I tried that, but you must need crazy strength or something because I could barely do it with 11 strength. maybe it isn't working right yet or maybe they intend for it to be an end game mutant thing when you have a million str.

>>530834793
post more of this game please

>>530949627
Depends on what you’re trying to throw

>>530950512
it was just a random zombie.

TLG does have debug its just out of the way in the keybinds. Slightly annoying but not as bad as I thought.

Just entered the level, no chance this escort lives

>>530961816

>>530962136
nvm I did it

>>530950649
After playing it for a while I have some complaints with it. I don't know if they want it this way or if it's just a consequence of the version they forked from, but that annoying thing where you can't cross vehicle tiles if they have a certain amount of volume in them is still in this version. It was annoying enough to be removed from even DDA, so hopefully they get rid of it in TLG too.

Also they nerfed armor hard in more ways than one. There are basically zero good 100% coverage armors in TLG, there are barely 100% coverage armors in general. On top of that they increased the encumbrance on almost every piece of armor by a lot while reducing the armor value they have at the same time. You are way, way more vulnerable in melee in TLG. And on top of THAT they made acid absolutely brutal, it corrodes your armor now and quickly. Fighting with a single acid zombie will chip all your exterior armor, to the point where you will need to be stopping to repair your gear even more than you have to in current DDA which is beyond annoying.

The weapon balance is also questionable, maybe it's intentional on their part, but it seems to me that they cut out all of the hardened/tempered etc. forms of weapons without adjusting the stats of the basic forms of those weapons, so like a random machete you find is just as good or better than a medieval sword that requires extensive crafting capability. And it seems like once again combat knives/bayonets are effectively the best weapons because of that.

Captcha related, kinda seems like they want you too shoot everything as it stands. Except they also cut ammo availability by like -90% vs DDA lol.

>>530965986
motorcycle reach attacks and archery still goated?

I'm retarded, what do i change to make allies display health bars instead of numbers?

>>530969820
I haven't personally tried motorcycles yet but I don't see any reason why they would be different, vehicles work the same and reach attacks work the same. They changed archery to be more like it was in older DDA, they got rid of the 10x crit multiplier and increased the base damage instead. So it's probably generally better, but still way inferior to guns unless you are trying to be silent.

>>530969820
>>530970429
They also changed a lot about the bows themselves, they remade all of them into new weapons, with the most notable difference being they have much higher strength requirements, so to use the highest power bows you are basically required to have archer's form proficiencies unless you somehow happen to have 18 strength.

>>530965986
There's more emphasis on you needing to go mutant or cyborg to survive

>>530970429
motorbike archery seems like it would be a risk and resource free way to build up your ammo reserves

>>530965986
You VILL kite everyzing in ze Kiteclysm

>No Numpad Movement
>Move with arrow keys
>No prompt on traps
>Start moving with mouse since character than paths araound traps
>Character paths into a teleporter to sub-dungeon with high level enemies
>Die
>Also animations that slow the game
>Unclear stats
>No Rest until healed
>No Rest for X turns
>No "go to stairs"
>No "Examine"
>Walls are hiding loot/enemies/traps from you

Now I appreciate QoL features in other games, why they designed it like that ? I feel like i fight mostly with tedious features. It feels like a roguelike made by someone who never played other roguelikes.

>>530982691
Art is a gigantic development bottleneck so a game that uses custom, copyrighted art assets usually is announcing that it has dickall for content. Even Qud is an example of this. Big ass biomes with 3 enemy types in them.

>>530841773
It might be misleading to compare Gungeon to the games you mentioned, as it is much slower and demands different skills. Generally, if you want to avoid getting hit, you need to carefully read enemy attack patterns, move around them, and position yourself correctly. Dodge Roll is a powerful tool but also a double-edged sword. If you use it on instinct, you might dodge one projectile only to find yourself immobile and vulnerable to another. Counterintuitively, it should be used sparingly.

Movement is your primary defense, and the game is slow enough to allow you to avoid about 95% of attacks by relying on it. For the remaining 5%, you use Dodge Roll, and the blank acts as your “oh-shit” button for when you make a mistake. Once you stick to this strategy and learn enemy attack patterns, the game becomes much easier. You can even clear the entire game with the basic loadout.

The unlocks you acquire along the way can be very powerful, and some loadouts can feel like a guaranteed win, but by the time you unlock them, you should be winning mostly through skill.

>>530983821
I've played QuD and it has entirely different problems QoL is not one of them.

>>530982691
>It feels like a roguelike made by someone who never played other roguelikes
yeah, a lot of these games are literally just that

>>530985462
The problem I described was content density, not QoL.

>>530986282
DDA is a roguelike made by someone who never played any roguelikes (and considers it a good thing).

>>530986517
idk zones are just varied enough for you to get a few levels and move to the higher level one when enemies become easy enough. Monotony comes in when you start to farm the zone.

>>530982691
The most annoying thing about Dredmor (other than needing to mash spacebar to heal if you want to conserve food, the other stuff you mentioned never bothered me) is how summoning skills work. There is a summoning limit, but the skill doesn't tell you. And do you know what happens when you reach that limit? It still doesn't tell you, and it doesn't even prevent you from summoning more, but the first summon that you go over that limit with will DELETE all of your other summons from existence.

>>530983821
Dredmor may have some jank and poor QOL, but it is not lacking in content. Other games with full art like ToME also have a shitton of content. What are you talking about?

>oh boy, recycler unit CBM! i bet this is good!
>install it, suddenly my weariness increases 5x as fast and it takes a full 18 hours to get back to fresh from moderate weariness
this is absolutely retarded, how does a more efficient metabolism make a guy tire easier, it should do the opposite since you're losing less calories, they are literally being recycled

hey, new Dosh
https://youtu.be/FT6XfaHgyh0
it's explicitly about notaroguelikes this time


I get the feeling he might be one of us

>>530989661
they probably didn't update it when they updated the fatigue system

>>530990562
it's probably working as intended since apparently everyone has called the recycler unit shit for years now and it hasn't been changed
maybe there's some json variable I can screw with to fix this, low metabolism shouldn't be this punishing

It's dangerous to go alone, /rlg/. Take this.
what do you take

>>530993642
d/f/k/l/n
(I have no idea what parts is)

>>530989431
TOME, DCSS (which used some RPGM sprites at some point IIRC), and DDA all have well over a decade of development behind them and are all pretty ugly (or artistically paralyzed in the case of DDA after SDG's departure). Dredmor has less than 100 creatures in its bestiary, whereas I'm pretty sure Nethack has over 200. Who the fuck even knows how many any given Angband fork has. Sprite based games are by far the most popular nowadays, but it's noticeable how many of them just have less stuff, especially the newer releases.

>>530990425
shut up dosh

>>530994001
Looks like parts means they are part of set. I ended up taking the amulet I thought about the AV ring but I feel like it's easier to get good rings vs. good amulets

>>530993642
Most of these are weapons and probably won't work with your character. None of them work with mine.
The amulet is just faith with a resistance, and so won't be selected often, unless it fits perfectly into your build.
The robe is a robe and the helm doesn't work with horns, so I won't be taking them.

That leaves a(cloak) k(gauntlets) o,l,d(rings)

The cloak is 1 resist and some change, which is passable if you don't have anything better. Unfortunately, a scarf of resistance is better.
The gauntlets boast 2 resists and 2enchant, which is respectable. Good gauntlets are also rarer than good rings. If rPois/rElec aren't already covered, this is a good choice.

{rCoor +stats} is just a slightly better corrosion ring, which means this gets picked sometimes if nothing else is useful for you and you don't have a better source of rCorr.

+8AC/+8EV are great, but require you to lose a ring slot for them. 8 ev can push you up into the nearly-unhittable EVs, so it is very tempting if you think you can actually reach high EV. 8 AC is, generally, better than 8 ev, but building so that you can have the strongest late game character isn't a bad idea. But, again, you have to have your resistances covered by your other gear to really use these.

In most cases, k, the guantlets.

>>530989661
I had a similar problem with the metabolic interchange one, I figured you would eat food to gain power, but it apparently consumes your body weight instead, so I somehow went from somewhat overweight to critically underweight in like 2 days of using bionic power. Then I had to choke down pork belly for 20k calories daily for almost a week to get back to normal.

>>530996516
Nice breakdown. I think the sword of power could be a pretty solid weapon choice if you're long blades/dex, considering kimchi uses the gigachad OG version that scales up to +27 vs. the nu-dcss retcon cringe version.

>>530993642
If I'm lacking resists for a specific branch, the rF+ rN+++ helmet. If I need neither of those, the cloak. If I'm an octopode or cat the ring of robustness. None of those weapons are really good enough for endgame anyway so they'd only be worth it if you have a shit weapon, except maybe the staff of battle if that's the unrand I'm thinking about. If you somehow haven't found a decent amulet before the acquire scroll, Faith can be worth it because gods in Crawl are so busted and faith lets you use god abilities much more freely

Obsidian axe is almost never worth it even IF you find it on an axes character because the downside is so horrible. Robe of vines can be funny but is never optimal since it's just an item to let you LARP being a vine stalker with no armor.

>>530939883
I personally like Bombastic Perks and Mind over Matter.

>>531000893
is mind over matter the psychic powers mod

>>531001181
Yeah. Tosses in some psychic enemies too.

>>530814112
>playing dda
It's a complicated mess. It doesn't even have a launcher. You have to do complicated compiling shit to even get the game to run. Nobody is doing all that. They just wanna play it like every other roguelike in existence. Who wants a fucking CS degree just to play a damn game. Stick to the classics that just work.

>>530994193
ToME and DCSS have nice tilesets though. I don't mind them. The DCSS rc glyphs are just fucking ugly as sin too. I tried to play it in ascii and just couldn't. I don't know what it is, but it's an eyesore. Usually I feel that way about tilesets but those two that are kinda focused around tiles to begin with at least have them looking nice.

>>530965986
>Fighting with a single acid zombie will chip all your exterior armor, to the point where you will need to be stopping to repair your gear even more than you have to in current DDA which is beyond annoying.
Also what is the deal with so many crafted armors being un-repairable? Survivor masks and boiled leather armor are made out of something called "treated leather", whatever that means, and it's a completely unobtainable material meaning those armors can't be repaired. That alone makes the survivor firemask the best gas mask, because it can be repaired with nomex arbitrarily.
Why go out of your way to add these bizarre material classes seemingly for the sole reason of making desirable armors impossible to repair? This isn't a TLG specific thing either it's inherited from DDA if that wasn't obvious already.

>>531004107
are you positive it can't actually be repaired, i don't remember that being a thing

So, in Dis, in DCSS, there was a floor which was a single open room full of living weapons. I was dropped into it through a trap, involuntarily. I managed to escape, but that doesn't quite solve the problem.

Stair dancing on floor 6 of a hell is incredibly time expensive, since you have to keep curing your draining using the abyss. However, I am patient, and was willing to try.

I re-entered that floor of hell about 3 times, at which point the staircase was completely surrounded by highly enchanted living polearms and at least one enemy capable of pushing me off the stairs. On entering the floor, my health immediately dropped to 10% and I was removed from the staircase.

Now, I had plenty of ac and ev and sh. I had almost full resistances. I was using crystal armor and had willpower. Defensively, I was about as good as one can get. What was the correct way to handle this floor? How does one counter a mandatory staircase with way way too much damage aimed at it?

>>531005794
They say "this item cannot be repaired" on the tooltip, unless that's wrong then yeah. Some other things have that too, not just crafted stuff. Like riot armor can't be repaired because it's make of yet another exclusive material for some reason.

>>531003652
>It doesn't even have a launcher
>not using the catapult launcher
Lmao

>>531005868
>Stair dancing on floor 6 of a hell is incredibly time expensive, since you have to keep curing your draining using the abyss. However, I am patient, and was willing to try.
This is a very good reason not to stair dance. Did you have no blink/tele scrolls? Sometimes you just have to YOLO it if everything in LoS is likely to kill you within a few turns. This is also a funny way to do vaults but not really an optimal one

>>530994193
tome's art comes from 1 artist who sells it to other projects like Low Magic Age, it's not exactly art created by the creator for their own project
Tome just happens to be the most well known project that uses the art pack

>>531011895
You can actually use some of the assets as a tileset for Angband and maybe Nethack IIRC which is a good way to trip yourself up. Kinda looks like doodoo though. I briefly enjoyed the one mod that changed it for JRPG style graphics but that one's really worse than the normal one if you look at it too closely.

what do you MEAN you need survival 5 to make a stone knife in dda?

>>530990425
I wish Teleglitch was turn based. It would have been real kino with that art style and grid based movement.

>>531012480
I don't know how you are even supposed to train survival. the crafting skills in general just work like ass.

>>530993245
yeah is increasing your metabolism still one of the strongest buffs you can give yourself?

>>530993642
sword of power is pretty cracked iirc
what's the staff of battle do?
what the hell does the Golem gauntlets do lmao
the helmet of Duty is a great randart, and Othrim is a good randart source of rCorr if you don't have that anywhere else

if I needed a cloak and/or rC, choose a
maybe one of the unrands if they're good and I'm feeling spicy

>>531012596
yeah

>>531011541
The correct answer was
"Living weapons can't Sinv"
and I am mildly mad.

I have been playing on the understanding that they did not have eyes and so INV didn't do anything to them. I am still unsure if they can be blinded.

This still leaves the question of what one should do when the only staircase is surrounded by enemies with reach and Sinv, but that's more rare.

Lastly, I did use the teleport, but I used it AFTER getting instantly brought to 10% hp, at which point you can't really stand your ground anymore. Should have read the scroll, waited a turn, and then gone downstairs, I think, since I knew what was waiting for me and that they were all awake and mad.

It feels like ages since ive touched Elin, whats some of the more notorious content thats been added?

>>531014806
ages? It's been EA since november, that's like a week ago in roguelike dev time
I haven't touched it because I want to wait for 1.0

>>530969889
Does this NPC have Self Aware?

>>531012480
Can't think of an example off the top of my head and not at my computer to look, but there's quite a few things in CDDAs crafting that unlock way after they would have been useful. It's probably another victim of "realism".

>>531018773
you can use hammering one and scrap metal to make a spike that you make into a knife with no skills at all but you need a soft hammering tool and survival five to make a sharp rock into a stone knife.

which one

>>531018773
The realism thing is so asinine anyway, realistically you aren't making 90% of the fabrication recipes in the game without machine tools. They for some reason lock a bunch of recipes behind having an angle grinder, but allow you to craft an angle grinder from basically nothing other than a "grinder blade". Which first of all doesn't even exist IRL in a form that would be useful at all for metalworking, and second they arbitrarily make crafting a "grinder blade" take like 3 days just so it isn't completely trivial to cobble together a literal angle grinder from scrap metal and random pieces of plastic with nothing but hand tools. As if you could create an electric motor, a gearbox, ball bearings and a housing to hold it all in with an anvil and some hand files.

>>531019645
Another good one is the flatjaw tongs, because apparently it's impossible to do any steel forging unless you have specifically flatjaw tongs, can't use any old pliers or similar tools, has to be tongs. And to compensate for this limitation they let you craft flatjaw tongs without an anvil by casting, making them literally the only recipe that you will ever need casting tools for.

>>531019586
damn that's juicy

When it comes to unarmed "weapons" in CDDA, like impact and brass knuckles, are the damage values shown in the inventory for the item related to slapping a fucker while wielding it or what it does for your damage while worn? Does the answer also apply to other clothing, like footwear for kicking?

>>531028665
I have wondered that myself, I think that is the number for when it's wielded. I'm not sure there is a way to see your unarmed damage with unarmed weapons equipped.

>>531029136
I wish I could find where unarmed damage is determined within the git.

>>531014324
you can read tele before going down the stairs and sometimes you can teleport as soon as you go down -- unless that got nerfed too

depending on the room, try blinking away?

>>531019586
i'd go with the ring. that much rc and rf is hard to pass up

Where should I build my hoarder outpost/NPC dungeon in CDDA?

STOP TALKING ABOUT ROGUELIKES!!!!!

How find gf?

>>531049447
In your pimped out RV
>>531051072
In his pimped out RV

>>531062590
I think I'm going to make my RV horse-powered. Any idea if horses that are tied up to a harness will sink or be eaten by fish if I turn my horse RV into a boat too?

I would eat ass for Tome map revamp. It would be perfect if instead of same quests and same locations you had like pool of 20 random dungeons mixed in. Or if part 2 was remixed into part 2 because no one likes it anyway.

>>531070461
No clue but that sounds awesome. Keep us informed on how it goes

Mind over matter vs Arcana?

Ok Prodigy 2 Time for my Writhing One. I got Arcane Might for my first one, and now I'm thinking of taking either PES or Ethereal Form.

>>531017284
I don't remember him having it but it doesn't really matter anymore after he ran off to fight a bunch of gangrenous crawlers.

>>530993245
a low metabolism irl makes you tired as fuck all the time
start eating your peaty salads boy

>>531092715
Or maybe Arcane Amplification Drone? If Lash Out and Tendrils Eruption triggers it.

>>531028665
in BN I think it gets added to your basic unarmed damage
in DDA I'm not sure, I don't play DDA

>>531030131
BN just tells you on your character screen next to your unarmed skill

>>531087920
Never tried Arcana, but I like MoM because it's rather low impact. Adds psychic powers and some psychic ferals/animals, but doesn't turn the game into a full blown fantasy adventure of wizards and goblins.

>>531051072
I have a gf now.

>>530813782 (OP)
In CDDA i heard there was a hidden room in the LMOE shelter but I can't find it. Was it removed?

>>531139368
It's usually hidden behind a door that looks identical to the metal wall, and sometimes is also behind furniture that you have to move to get to. Every LMOE I have ever found had one so they are probably always present.

Have to be careful though because some of them are trapped.

>>531139531
how do you tell or open them?

>>531139728
You just need to go around the place pushing on every wall like it's doom. Sometimes you can tell by where the obvious empty maps spots are since the inside of the shelters are square iirc,

>>531139927
I found it.
Bunch of .357 sig ammo with no gun for it.. wierd.

>>531140591
i thought there were supposed to be hundreds of rounds in here, there is like 9 buckshot, a pistol with mag, and a rifle with ~50 rounds.

Better than nothing i guess. Was almost as dissapointed when i opened up the locked door on the hunting lodge and found no guns.

>>531140726
You don't find hundreds of rounds at a time anywhere except military places or gun stores. The big ammo drops are the military places though.

Occasionally random zombies will have bugout bags with a few hundred rounds of pistol ammo but it's rare.

>>531129551
I'm so sorry to hear that.

>>531140726
>when i opened up the locked door on the hunting lodge
Not gonna lie, it took me a minute to realize what door/room you were talking about. I've always gone in through the windows lol. Not great for ammo, but pretty good for arrows and assorted outdoorsy supplies.

Pray for my soul arelgee

>>531143607
it has its pros.

miss her

>>531162616
that show was insanely overrated

>>531162710
'CAUSE I REALLY WANNA STAY AT YOUR HOOOOOOUSE

I can never get enough sleep
I hate living
I hate my existence
I legit think dying is better
In a roguelike of course
Bought RW2 and hasn't even turned it on. I have lost all motivation to do anything.

>>531165723
Unironically thought you were pretending to be my CDDA character for a moment
tfw stuck in shitty job, but no energy or motivation to put towards certifications or other career-improving things

>>531162616
If he'd just boned Rebecca they both might have lived.

>>531162616
Never watched that gay anime shit, but that guy sounds based as fuck

>>531168975
Always weird seeing edits of that RE4 meme still pop up all these years later

Getting a wierd error when the game crashes it dumps the map file, so you lose all your notes, and then it tries to re-generate some locations so you get twice a many mines, light industry as you're meant to have. Like OK.

>>531075141
I was mostly memeing, but I spun up a world to test my shit. Turns out you don't even need different engines for water travel, harnessed horses will do just fine slowly galloping across the waves. My big problem in the past when it came to horses and wagons, is that the horses tended to somehow unharness themselves if I walked away. Ideally I'd surround them in quarterpanels or boards with an access door, but that adds a lot of extra bulk.

>>531169460
What's it like still being an edgy emo in 2025?

Sooo what's the best version of DCSS to play these days, official is shit right?

>>531183923
While official is shit, the core of the game remains essentially unchanged.

I miss food and its interaction with int and chaibriados and amulet of gourmand and regen.
I miss being able to simply retreat or reposition without attacks of opportunity killing me. I miss using summon butterflies to make up for attacks of opportunity.
I miss transmutations, though I may come around once I've really tried shapeshifting.
I look with some suspicion at the changes to hell.

But the core of the game is the same as it ever was. Simply have a way to retreat, always. When you think to yourself "I can probably stick around to get an extra kill in", don't. When an enemy needs a certain resistance, don't fight them when you don't have that resistance or way more than enough skill points.

So, just play current. If your autism isn't happy with that, then it's you who must be satisfied.

>>531183923
kimchicrawl

>>531165723
Your whole ass life is a rogue fucking like.

What gives with the xedra mercenary ghost?
Do they just infinitely respawn? I swear I killed like 20 of them to no effect, tried to run, but then they started spawning on every floor of the lab.

I hate hidden mechanics. Yes they can be cool, but they also ruin the game. New players will run into one after another and just throw the game in the trash.

>>531187940
Real life isn't turn-based.

>>531165723
he just like me fr

>>531184693
amulet of acrobat sort of mitigates the attacks of opportunity, but i think the mechanic is still shit and not necessary

at the same time, it seems easier earlier on to get scrolls of branding / acquirement, and there appears to be a much a higher chance to get evasion / protection / slaying rings

>>531186974
hasn't been updated in a while

How would you code a procedural storytelling games?

Like Dwarf fortress but it generates a VN instead?

>>531193249
Randomized rape

>>531193249
No idea, I mean, TECHNICALLY it could be done, like you said it could be a very heavily rework DF Legends mode, but it seems pretty hard to do.

>>531193720
>>531194000
I want to make a game that is literally a harem isekai rape kinetic novel.

But I want the player be able to pick 5 girls to rape from a list of 256 possible girls, and then have each girl be the MC of her own rape story with 30 chapters.

The issue is that I need to make a procedural system for this.

Is there a way to code such system?

>>531194084
>7680 chapters of rape
The system doesn't matter if you can't manually make enough building blocks for this.

>>531194413
there will be a master skeleton template story from harem animes, and I think the most realistic way is to make types of lego story events that each girl has and can generate if she's picked with another specific family type.

>>531194084
Aren't there those autistic ERA Touhou games that do exactly that? Maybe look there for inspiration

Roguelikes...

>when you're getting back from drag queen story hour but the apocalypse hits

>>531198247
what percentage of troons are there contributing to this game anyway, the amount of fag shit you come across is truly egregious even if the game were set in san francisco.

It's also annoying how they apparently have to have cooking recipes from every culture on earth probably because it would be a heckin racism to not include them, meanwhile the crafting menu for food is so ungodly bloated that it's impossible to navigate.

>>531198247
>lets add in a ton of gay shit
>how about an installer so we dont need to compile it all. like other roguelike games?
>nah. more trans socks and flags
DDA is dead.

>>531200815
>what percentage of troons are there contributing to this game anyway
In certain corners of the internet, games like DDA or Dwarf Fortress are mostly known as things trans women play. Autism reaches through all political boundaries and beliefs

That said I think there's a very obvious argument towards not having a bunch of zombies wearing pride merch in your procedurally generated game precisely because of shit like >>531198247

>>531165723
I want you to know that I am only replying to this post because I found a reaction image and I want to post it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKPzKm3JdD8

>>531211023
do you like furry gnolls? kobolds?

That was fun.
I guess now I've done the 32nd cycle I've technically won the game.

https://youtu.be/FT6XfaHgyh0

splat

>>531198247
>>530814112
>fallen world
>surrounded by faggot shit
Do people not understand the underlying message of what made the worlds fall so far in media like CDDA and Cyberpunk? I EXPECT to see faggot shit everywhere in a dystopian and post-apocalyptic setting.

>>531234057
if you think that's the underlying message then you've never spoken to the devs

>>531203806
desu whatever installer they made would probably be worse than the 3rd party launchers already out there.

>Playing Achra
>SECONDS away from beating the King of Many Colours
>The game fucking crashes
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

I just unlocked Doomed, it was a long and hard-fought battle. The ai was better at using all my character's abilities than I was.

>>531234057
That's just as gay. I don't want to see homo good/homo bad. I just want to play my autism zombie survival sim

>>531238271
Get rogueliked

Just want to double check: Did the devs add something so unarmed combat works with ashenzari? I have a strong troll that found death form and fugue and want to iterate on the pro strats of that anon from last time who learned magic on a Minotaur

>>531245592
Shapeshifting in general benefits from unarmed, but I'm pretty sure that weapons work with death form just fine. Even if they don't,you're only losing out on one slot.

Anyway I don't know if ash had a rebalance, why don you find out and tell us?

>>531247607
>>531245592
>only one slot
of already only a small pool. Trolls can't wear boots or gloves

>>531248289
>Ashenzari likes it when you curse your equipment. Curses are offered periodically during exploration (approximately one curse per ordinary Dungeon floor fully explored, if you have no curses pending).

>Piety is entirely dependent on how many equipment slots you have bound. For an unmutated human, each cursed item will provide 17 piety. The usual 15 piety gained by worship is negated (so having 1 cursed item is 17 piety, not 17 + 15). Slot limiting effects, such as two-handed weapons, species-specific equipment restrictions, Ru's Sacrifice Hand, or Lear's hauberk are taken into consideration, and give proportionally more piety per curse. Cursed items that are melded due to transformations still contribute to your piety, but do not provide their associated skill boosts.

snarc snark snRk

>Caves of Qud
>get some gear and levels
>unconsciously obliterating everything in my path
>get 360noscoped by something in the shadows and die without warning
I like Qud, but why must it always be this way?

>>531212581
Grats.

Live ... arelgee

>>531252929
Recoilers and force fields are too strong, so the only way to make threatening late game enemies is for them to cut off limbs, permanently debilitate your character, or instakill you.

>>531252929
>thinks he won and gets lax
>man wtf why did i die?
You got soft and relaxed.

Is Alistair's Intoxication good for shoals 4? Can enemies that normally swim still drown if confused? I'm in a bazaar in shoals 4 that has it and there's a swarm of enemies right outside the portal, trying to decide between this or hoarfrost cannon

>>531273850
Around Qud, tighten your glutes

>>531278271
Drowning doesn't seem to be a mechanic at all, that I can find.
There's a note mentioning it in version 0.17. Might have been removed?
Either way, confusing enemies and then running away isn't bad, still.

>Start a melee character
>Increase STR on first level up
>It increases extremely little, meaning STR cap is 18/70
Always the same shit

Give me your energy arelgee I need it to make a ragulike

>>531284465
... pasta themed, procedurally generated, hard as nails, hours long, exceedingly complex, zero permanent progression, video game?

>>531285116
>hard as nails
people in this thread play the most casual fucking games ever

>>531285209
Mario cart vs dwarf fortress adventure mode

How is Dwarf Fortress adventure mode these days anyways?

sayonara

>>531184693
What a niggerish reply
You are 100% black

I have finally come up with another roguelike idea
Given my health I will probably die before I can make one, dooming a future generation of roguelikers

Lolcow roguelike when?

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/79572
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/68886
Lol these conversations

>>530950587
Try throwing a baby zombie

>>531012596
Yoooo
What a good idea.

>>531193249
Have you tried airogue? Its an attempt at that and the nation really wants to twist your arm into a generic happy go lucky whatever bland normie continual happy ever after bullshit. Its like pulling teeth telling it I cut a lady in half or used my mind to destroy a school or that I have a condition where lazers shoot out of my eyes every 3 minutes. Or that I am a wildly successful villain...
But when I get my way it makes me sheepishly smile more than I ever expected it too. From the glitched names it gives my "companions". Lolol I had this companion once who I got the game convinced they couldn't speak in any form other than "meep?" or "MEEEP" lol they were a paraplegic strapped to an android to get around. Y'know it's funny, my character could read minds but I never once checked to see what meep dude was saying. We traveled around for a long playthrough.

Oh shit I got side tracked I was supposed to mention citrous expedition and ftl because they are also generative story feels a lot.

>>531191682
Books also spawn at a way higher rate. I still remember when they were an extremely rare drop and outside of sif muna or even with sif muna actually you still were straight gambling on finding any 1 spell/spellbook.

Now just by normal exploring my library runs multiple pages. Such a thing was unheard of back in the day

>>531193249
The guy making Ultima Ratio Regum is a good one to look into. He reminds me somewhat of Tarn Adams in how he's been grinding away at a very ambitious procgen project for a very long time. I think since 2011. Surely he would have some insights by now

I'm considering what level of randomization is "good enough" for my roguelike.
Currently there is a minimal narrative (you're supposed to get from A to B to C) and there's a high degree of handmade content mixed in (internally there are additional steps to ensure the handmade stuff are "shuffled" randomly). So I'm thinking everything between A to B and everything between B to C should have high level of randomness. I'm talking from what kind of dungeon is generated, how many of them (and the sizes), monster inside them, forks in the road.
I think this should be random enough, it's not meant to be an "open world" or anything. The main worry I have is that after one play through, you could get a hang of the stages of the game (A, B and C) and maybe their general direction (since narratively, their relative positions are quite persistent - say you're trying to go from A the outside of a castle to B the inside). I can ensure that the inbetween areas are randomized enough that you can't easily tell how far away from each major checkpoint, but there's this worry that partitioning the progression this way shrinks the game and reduces the randomness.
Anyway, just give any thought or give me a random (You) for no reason.

>>531310253
this is insanely cringe

https://decrypt.co/330097/artificial-gooning-intelligence-elon-musk-xai-waifu-companions-grok

>>531310253
TLG removes all of that shit btw, just keeps the flags with a significantly lower spawn rate

>>531323092
>keeps the flags
conservatives in 2040.png

Kind of surprised with the current pretty good AI tools we haven't seen anyone try to bring back DCSS's old content yet

>other forks don't have all the gay shit
>doesn't have the mods I like
Guess I'm gay now

>>531273850
Relaxing has nothing to do with it, you can literally die instantly with no warning.
>walk around a corner
>snapjaw for some insane reason has a level 3 high explosive grenade and chucks it at you
>die before your turn starts so it doesn't even get rendered on the screen and you have to read the message log to know it happened
And it's totally random too. Like I had that happen ONCE out of dozens of playthroughs. I have never before nor after seen a snapjaw with a grenade, it was just the one assassin hired by the devs to grief me.

>>531310253
>pride pins
>Should these have dsitribution weights assigned to them? I imagine some would be a bit harder to find in the wild than others (especially in %current_year%+1 given the %current_year% political climate)
>No. I'd much rather have people in this climate recognize they're being seen and heard.
So I guess I'll probably be banned if I ask on the discord about lowering the spawn rate of pride stockings

>>531323317
?

>>531310253
>>531324459
Anyone else get actually kind of mad seeing the discussion from 2023?
>bro don't give the kid's sexualities
>they're just supporting human rights for the gays!
>okay, but it's weird that parents push political opinions on their kids
>lmao it's not a political opinion whether or not gays exist, but also yes the kids are wearing merch to support the rights of gays
Bro made a completely overblown strawman and then proceeded to prove his opponent's actual point in the same post. What the fuck man

>>531323317
The TLG dev is a tranny

>>531326610
yes and she had the sense to remove it
because it was fucking idiotic and borderline parody seeing that stuff on like 50% of dead zombies

>>531327545
Don't forget it's in like half of all closets and wardrobes too

>>531328827
I don't think I've found any yet in closets and wardrobes. They're primarily on zombies, at least from what I've seen

>>531310253
>The Zombies wear so often pride clothing (usually stockings), that I feel bad when I bash them. Guess it ends up as a form of remembrance of the ill-fate that affects us all.
Is the spanish roguelike community as gay and retarded as the english one? It's all so tiresome.

>>531234057
giga cope
I don't hate gay people in fact I'm a faggot
but, why do rainbow flags and gay sexo need to be plastered all over a zombie survival game?
these people treat gay buttsex like its god or something
just shut up about it already fuck

>>531333236
>these people treat gay buttsex like its god or something
I mean, getting prostate milked by a chick is pretty fucking amazing

>>531326610
No she's a real woman actually

>>531200815
The real problem is they need to completely redesign the crafting menu and arguably the entire UI. It's become so absolutely oversaturated with information and the original design does not work with so much bloat.

Just compare pic rel with how the menu looks now

>>531335808
Dunno, I didn't really feel much the last couple times I had that done to me.

>>531336296
Use "/" in the crafting menu
I like bloat

is there a mod for CDDA that removes the stupid zombies like headless horrors, zombie predators, shocker zombies, flesh raptors and a ton of other power creep zombies designed soley because a guy years ago just wanted to kill players?

lol

>>531338064
theres a mod thats just classic zombies

>>531335808
getting fucked by a dude is much hotter than being fucked by some poor woman with a piece of plastic strapped onto her crotch
maybe you like it, but she doesn't
and not even in a masochistic sort of way, just in a "im fucking bored but ill do this I guess since he wants it" sort of way
a guy has a real cock, and you're having real sex
strapon fetishists are cringe, if you're gonna be gay just go all the way
anyways, I've never worn gay socks

>/rlg/ - roguelike general

>>531338860
Women can enjoy giving anal you, literally, ignorant faggot.
My ex would ravage my ass and be so wet afterwards when I fucked that she actually squelched. She was so aroused that she could simply sit on dildos twice the size and girth of her average one.

No one asked, by the way.

>>531338950
This conversation adheres to the Berlin interpretation

>>531339846
>Berlin
nobody talked abut scat yet so not really

>>531336296
that screencap isn't even that old, the game was already ludicrously bloated by that point too.

>>531339582
women pretend to enjoy a lot of things for their partners
they dont enjoy giving anal, not really
99% chance of your gf being a fat nerd if she liked that
nobody asked about all your bullshit either bud

any point to getting into v50 versions of dorf fort and dealing with the shitty new interface?

>>531335981
Sure, a real woman born with an unfortunate genetic condition that caused her to develop a cock and balls.

>>531341867
just go ass to ass

>>531345150
I think it actually is a real woman shockingly, she posted an IRL video on her youtube channel where she didn't show her face but her body did not look particularly troonlike.

>>531341867
>trust me bro I fuck men I know everything about women

>>531345886
>she didn't show her face but her body did not look particularly troonlike
lol

>>531347175
you should check out the video and see what you think, I would be interested to learn how accurate my troondar is. it wasn't obviously male with broad shoulders and everything so I dunno.

What are some systems in CDDA that aren't apparent but significantly improve the game when you find out about it

>>531347868
the ultimate example of this is zones, trivializes looting to such an insane degree it's unreal.

>>531347642
link it

>>531347981
I've never bothered learning what it does, assuming it was for moving and sorting your stash. But you can use it to search through a house for loot you want? That'd be great for saving time but feels like it'd remove one of the most fun parts of the game

>>531345886
I saw that video (unless there's more than one) and she was extremely careful not to show even the slightest peek of her face. I don't think it was very convincing.
>>531348518
Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuK7y8SG6eY
Look at 2:03 where she reaches for the knife, she's basically craning her neck backwards.

>>531348795
>assuming it was for moving and sorting your stash
It is, but you can also move and sort all the items in a house instead of manually searching through every room. It won't let you open safes or sealed crates, but it's helpful.

>>531350137
There's no universe where a woman doesn't show her face ... I mean they even tried to make a religion around women not showing their face or their husband explodes and it doesn't even work most of the time.

>>531350137
i literally could not care less if she is trans, but convincing yourself she is not trans simply because her body passes to you is just retarded

>>531350137
>breaking bad mug
>liking worms
>those hands
>that figure
That's likely a real woman. Just ugly. Mainly going by voice and them not being as flashy or showy as a tranny. Trannies have to show off. It's part of their pathology. They demand to get that attention they so desperately crave.

>>531355030
I mean don't get me wrong, there's nothing in that video that definitively proves she has a dick. She passes. But with her voice, and interests, there's enough circumstantial evidence for me.
>>531356819
>Mainly going by voice
Really? Because her voice sounds very trans to me. Thin, with little range, since she's artificially limiting her range by pitching it as high as she can.

>>531356819
You don't understand man ... a woman does not see herself as ugly. She will show her face and if she streams she will dedicate 1/3 of the space on the stream to her face.
Trannies are ultimately men and they think like men. They will think like "what if my audience want to see <things that belong to this hobby>". The utilitarian camera angle you see there is a man thing.

There is a tranny on the tome4 discord (the mod) that does exactly this. Lots of showing off on the hand and such but way too self aware to show face. You can have the fattest woman alive stream and she will show her face. She wants you to know that she's a woman and is part of the hobby, that's the woman mindset. A man can never do this, playing pretend.

blud has never heard of vtubers frfr
she does skits showing face in the signalis video anyway

who the fuck cares

>>531358014
vtubers make sense for those who are self conscious about their IRL identity (very normal in certain cultures), but you don't get it. You think women hide their face because they think they are ugly - this is why you're a man. Women don't think they are ugly. If they show up on camera they will make it a focus to show themselves first. This is why there's that meme about Picture (man) vs Picture (woman).
Even female vtubers will hog up more space on their screen for their model compared to the male ones. Why? Because reserving space for the content is a utilitarian mindset. It's a man thing.

>>531358014
I haven't watched the Signalis video since I'm still telling myself I might play Signalis.

>>531358367
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wHyeyi6wR4qq/
this is the world we live in... these are the trannies we're given

>>531358367
>he doesn't have trannies living in his head rent free 24/7
Why are you even here?

>>531358367
it affects the future of catlaclysm, it's roguelike

>>531350137
I can tell in under 5 minutes that this woman is transgender based on her behavior alone lmao. I am quite proud of my ability to sus out Jews and trannies, I'm like a bloodhound. Of course, I am not antisemitic or transphobic I merely do it for the sport of it. In fact, I am JEWISH myself and possess quite an affinity for transgender women. Too bad none of them like their cocks sucked, and therefore the point is moot. =(

>>531310253
Jesus fucking Christ.
>>531333051
Pretty sure he's taking the piss.

>>531347868
Zones were already mentioned, but understanding the clothing coverage and encumbrance system was a game changer. I went longer than I would like to admit wearing lots of gear that happened to overlap, and imagine my surprise when I stumbled upon the armor sorting menu.

But yeah, zones are pretty great when trying to perform any sort of repetitive interaction. Why spend 10+ minutes manually searching every dead soldier zombie at a bunker for ammo, guns, sealed MREs, ID cards, and grenades when I can quickly toss the bodies in a pile and filter out the good shit in a fraction of the time?

>>531370194
Why are Asian faces so weird looking?

>>531324202
qud difficulty is fake because the balance of power is skewed too far in the player's end
you are meant to totally break it and abuse every mechanic to win and if you don't you'll be miserable
if you don't like that just don't bother playing
didn't see that snapjaw with a grenade? should have used clairvoyance
didn't want to die? should have used precog

>>531356819
the fairly narrow shoulders and wider hips says to me it is a legit woman.

>>531348795
It's by far the fastest and easiest way to sort items of any kind. It makes looting so trivial that it easily more than doubles the speed of the game once you learn how to use it since so much of your time spent in the game is on looting and inventory management, even with zones.

The thing that makes it truly broken however is that it effectively teleports items. If you set an unsorted item zone on top of a stack of items and then a default zone where you want the items to go, when you run the sort items action all of the shit gets teleported to the destination tile. That means it isn't only a convenience thing even though it is the biggest QoL feature in the game, it's literally a gameplay advantage because it saves you absurd amounts of in game time moving shit around. It takes so long to drag shit or to load and unload it into containers or carts that you can spend weeks of time in a run just moving your crap from your vehicle to your base and vice versa. All of that is eliminated with zones, you can even move shit across z-levels with them.

>>531374628
Nah that's boring, really the whole game is poorly designed.
My most successful run ever was finding a shield generator bracelet and a radio-cell blueprint, instantly being immune to basically everything. I walked all the way through the main quest ignoring all the enemies and never got hit once even in the final dungeon.
There's no strategy at all to "turn on god mode and become permanently unkillable". There's no resources to expend, and since you can get instakilled by letting yourself get hit you're always at 100% health anyway. Energy weapons don't even have ammo, not that it matters when every enemy drops giant piles of grenades.

Bit of variety to see it it worked, crystalform is honestly pretty great.

Arelgee I had some good sleep today

>>531400337
Must be nice

>>531234057
>what made the worlds fall so far in media like CDDA
the blob

>>531406026
>implying the blob doesn't make you gay

Anyone have death knight tips for Achra? On cycle 22, I've done all the Purity achievements and have wins on most cultures/classes/gods so I figured I do all the Prestige Classes in order, and I'm already stuck but the Death Knight bonuses aren't very cohesive. Not sure how to do insane armour stacking while also getting in lots of adjacent death damage while also getting astralhunting so I can actually get adjacent to enemies without losing my poise.

pearl dragon scales
opinions

>>531415275
all dragon scale mail is good
what's the statline on PDA again

>>531417614
Base armor 10
Encumberance 111
max ench 10
rN+

>>531417682
right, it's good and heavy

really good if you're a minotaur

>>531417682
*encumbrance 11

>>531407556
Take Skeleton and leave items in your bag, you will get armor automatically. Take Necrokinesis, Technique, and Pugilism. Your armor is flat damage added to every Necrokinesis so you don't need willpower, just pump strength and dex. Every Technique level gives you another attack, and every Pugilism level gives you another free hit on every attack. So with 3 levels of Technique and 10 levels of Pugilism, you hit 30 times and activate Necrokinesis 30 times. You can still use an off hand with Pugilism btw.

Don't worry about the poise stuff. You'll have poise sometimes from the class but it shouldn't stop you from moving forward.

Was gifted Elin for my brithday (it was on my wishlist). Do I have to do home making stuff at all? Seemed to be pretty integral from what I've heard since it went EA

Who the fuck approved this "burnt building" shit in CDDA experimental? On paper it's not necessarily a bad idea to replace building PoIs with a crumbling burnt husk, but god damn this shit needed testing.
>multi tile buildings can have chunks of them burnt to a crisp while the rest is (relatively) pristine
>only replaces 1 z-level of a building, leading to apartment towers supported by burnt twigs or subway entrances having no top or middle layer, effectively removing that route in/out of the underground because no more stairs
>replaces all floor tiles with the burnt floor shit, including stuff like the dirt and water of parks/ponds and the asphalt of gas stations where there shouldn't have been a floor to burn
Obvious issues like this should have been fixed before being merged. Having buildings randomly load in with fires inside was cleaner than this shit, even if it tended to burn down half the town while you looted your first building

>>531338438
>>531341867
Not that I should even bring this conversation back up. But I knew a girl who really seemed to like pegging men. Like a lot. She wouldn't stop bringing it up all the time. Like even at really stupid times. I can't think any reason someone would keep talking about such a thing unless they like doing it. It was actually annoying how much she talked about how she pegs men. She went into detail how much she liked doing it. Not even sure what causes such derangement but I'm sure she's a dreamgirl for some anon out there.

how to win frogcomposband easily? yellow mage? what race?

>>531406272
Since everyone is infected, does that mean that you are also gay?

>>531420117
it's not finished yet

How can I inscribe stuff in FCB? I want to stop my item with random teleportation from activating.

How do I proceed? I cleared 2 S runes. I have nothing to deal with a Crystal Guardian that is waiting for me at the stairs of Vaults: 1 and there's also deadly enemies waiting right at Depths: 1.

Not sure if I should just go to elf to try and get more exp or even Slime. Everything else I already cleared.

>>531427062
will:inf
AV:20
Ev:zero
hp:40-80

Alright, so moves which can be evaded are good here, since they are likely to hit and are likely to be balanced around their accuracy.

>crysatlizing shot
>melee
>sInv
seems it doesn't have smite-targeting, meaning that summoned friendly units can block it.

>brainless
it doesn't avoid water/clouds or move in order to allow other enemies to reach you. It's large, so water doesn't help you here. Deep water, however, may block them. They aren't giant, but they also don't breath.

Scrolls of summoning/butterfly can block the golem, particularly in a hallway but potentially just in a doorway. Horefrost cannonade may do the same.

Eringya's is cool, and the physical component of it may do damage, but isn't really good here. It doesn't take advantage of the zero EV, and may do nothing once reduced by 30% and then applied to the AC.

Yara's is promising, if you have a reasonable chaos-weapon anywhere in your game which you can pick up. You would still need to have summonings, or depend on blink to make some distance. The damage is nice, but this strategy is pretty dangerous and may take multiple attempts.

Irradiate does basically the same damage, but not at range, and without the chance that chaos might just solve the fight for you

The cannons may distract the enemy for you, particularly if they engage first, but I don't think that they can do much on their own. Plus, they will die.

Do you have acrobatics available anywhere? The golem is using a ranged move, meaning that you can probably escape just by walking away. There also are no elemental concerns, meaning you can switch out your whole outfit for dex/ev/ac and ignore everything else.

>>531428781
Alright, so I think you can literally just walk this thing all the way to shoals and then snipe it. Even if you don't have any ranged spells or ranged skill, it can't follow you into deep water so you can just chip it to death, so long as you have a reasonable defensive armor/accessory setup. Particularly, a shield with reflect, a scarf of Repulsion, an amulet of acrobat, and evasion rings.

If a chaos sling/handgun exists, that's gg. If it turns out he can walk through deep water, and you don't think you can kill him at that point, simply leave him there and go back to vaults where there are squishy meat-targets that aren't immune to everything you have.

>>531429349
Also, consider grabbing a spell specifically for situations like this.

>>531428781
>acrobatics available
Yes. I have an amulet of acrobatics I've worn the entire playthrough
>>531429349
You're a genius anon! Thank you so much that is one hell of an idea and i never would've thought of it. Walk him over to Shoals and then kill it. Or just leave him there I guess is also an option. I don't think I'd have any reasons to return so not like I'd be worried of encountering him later once I left.

I agree, I need to figure out a longterm solution for these sorts of enemies. I skilled a bit into fighting which worked for ghost moths etc, but this guy's too beefy and I'm pretty sure in a 1v1 melee fight I'd get murdered very fast.

Yaras didn't work against him like I'd hoped. The cannons apply a debuff which I could then explode. But I only have it at 30% power and kept getting rather pathetic rolls. His HP never even went below 3/4ths when I tried this and he was rapidly closing the distance.

>>531434851
>I don't think I'd have any reasons to return so not like I'd be worried of encountering him later once I left.
Your arena here is valuable. You may need it for the next crystal golem.

Also, looks like fulmanat would solve the issue on its own, basically. I'm sure like iron shot or something would be better for some builds, but this uses alchemy and gives you cover sometimes.


t.same anon on all 4 posts

>>531419765
Tried using skeleton before and botched it, I'll give it another shot. I actually used the same hit maximising combo of pugilism + extra attack generator (think I used stand ground though) for astral/martial class. Didn't think to try it again and just ignore the Poise stacks.

Hello?

>>531454169
Pipe down

>>531454169
FUCK
YOU

condenservane into acid cloud may do some work against crystal guardian.

(2d16)/2 + 5 = average 21 damage per turn plus corrosion. ac 20 = average 10 reduction, so it dies in probably 6 turns of standing in an acid cloud.

Don't know really how evocations level affects chances of getting an acid cloud.
forgot to talk about this earlier

>>531424760
Z, you could have checked ? for this
>>531421715
Out of the characters I played I felt monster race Balrog was the easiest, monster race specifically, not the regular Balrog

>>531455169
>(2d16)/2 + 5
2d16 = 2 to 32 /2 = 1 to 16 +5 = 6 to 21, or average 13.5 per turn. I'm not sure if armor actually applies, but probably.

Acid on a monster gives -8ac and that's it, also. Still, landing this effect would make the other options much more effective, other than yara's.

>>531420304
it’s experimental
have they ever given a fuck about breaking the game?

>>531347981
>>531378779
Holy fuck. I finally messed with sorting and set my zones for each cargo space and it is a godsend

>gamerant
Dumb nerds. I use the India Times for all my uma related info.

>>531466294
Wrong thread nigga

CDDA devs are power hungry faggots but the game is GOOD

>>531475406
I'm retarded, is this japenese text on the back or korean? Looks like japanese or chinese

>>531476401
That's Japanese, it has hiragana

>>531473594
Wrong. People wouldn't acre about them being such insane freaks if the game was good. Japanese devs are always crazy neurotic autists but they make good games so people like them anyway.

>>531428781
if you have an artifact / randart with clarity and rcold and rcorr, then go with slime for a few levels

>>531427062
can also read a teleport scroll 1-3 turns before you go down in either vaults or depths and then tele out of there. maybe read a fog scroll in the meantime

>>531480920
I think it's a great game, however, weebkun

I mostly finished all the generic engine stuff for my roguelike, but now I don't feel like making the game

>>531480920
>japanese = good

>>531473594
when did you start playing CDDA?

>>531486812
~2021
My comment was largely about the devs trying right now to split the CDDA subreddit so they can have a hugbox on reddit devoid of criticism and microaggressions. I don't get why they just don't stay in faggotcord

man grushnak is way too tanky

>>531491082

>>531491314
ok retreating, resting, and giving it another go was definitely the right move

>>531490941
>reddit less cucked than discord
oh look a post from earth 2

>>531491727
And apparently if you kill him with a talent instead of talking to Aeryn after you talk to that talent, funny bug.

>>531491927
We're talking about CDDA here. How do you imagine the dev team runs their discord?

>>531492419
I can hazard a guess that its hellish, but acting like the CDDA reddit would be any less fucked is hilarious.

>>531490941
are you talking about that mod comment? he was talking about something that happened in the past, not about something currently happening
the DDA devs just have a lot of shitty ideas and are not open to criticism, in fact they are often actively hostile towards criticism
they're going to end up killing their own fork at this rate

>>531493063
Not sure which mod comment you're referring to.
The "drama" seems like
>devs unhappy with criticism on subreddit and mods not doing enough about "harassment"
(Not sure how true that is)
>dev tries to be a mod on subreddit, is denied
>devs come out of the woodwork to post on a long dead CDDA subreddit in hopes of people moving over and having total control

boss makes a dollar, i make a dime, thats why i ascend on company time

>least jewish dcss merchant

>>531476401
yeah it turns out the whore is Japanese, she was recently murdered by a fan in Tokyo

Fucking hate summoning builds in Achra. If a weapon build gets fucked or wins it does so quickly. Summoning builds take a bajillion hours, meaning every loss is a much bigger waste of time.

>>531510049
Inflation is so fucking bad even roguelikes are feeling it.

Is there a dark souls roguelike out there?

>>531542243
Dark Souls is a roguelike.

>CDDA
>go to the gun show
>expect greater diversity than the gun stores
>it's 90% 10/22's and 9mm pistols, no ammo or magazines anywhere, and maybe two semi-auto AKs
I miss seeing actually interesting guns there, like MP40s and shit. Why even bother having neat guns when only military AR slop is feasible because everything else (outside of modern pistols) is unobtainium?

>>531548995
the last thing the game needs is more bloat, cutting all the random guns you can't ever find ammo for anyway was a good thing. They should consolidate the guns even more imo.

>>531542243
There's one called Lost Flame that tries very hard to be dark souls like

>>531549228
The main thing that annoys me is that the guns exist, but aren't possible to actually use. Like maybe I want to use one of the mag-fed shotguns or a full auto 10/22, but without magazines it just won't work. They're not even doing it because of bloat, but because "lmao realism".

>>531550734
that's why I said they should cut even more gun shit. They should cut all of the AR variants except the basic AR-15 and M4, no one gives a fuck about the gun autism of whatever contributor decided to include 5 other variants with identical stats. They should get rid of the retarded ass upper swapping thing on ARs too since its gameplay value is negligible while confusing people who aren't familiar with guns and more importantly, STILL prevents you from installing them as mounted vehicle weapons. They should cut half the handguns in the game, there should be at most 2-3 different models for each caliber and they should cut every handgun caliber that isn't 9/40/45. I could come up with a bunch more but there's no point typing it out here.

Blocking

Blocking does nothing.

Specifically, blocking does nothing against "penetrating attacks", "undodgeable attacks" and "willpower checks"
That sounds pretty straight forward, but there is an exception for "orb of destruction", which can be blocked. Does that mean that things which roll and impact you can't be blocked? The bolder beadle, for instance, can its special attack be blocked? According to the wiki, it can, but it can also be evaded. Why, then, did my "shield of the gong" not block the rat fucker???

Lets find out!
"piercing-value" is
if melee: 1d(15 + to_hit/2)
if Ranged attack: 1d(1.3×to_hit)

To_hit is based on HD and the "fighter" flag. To_hit = 18 + HD * modifier. Modifier is 1.5 for regular and 2.5 for "fighter" enemies.

The range of HD is 0 to 30, generally. 30 is occupied only by orbs of fire and the big unique hydra boss. 27 is just old litch. 25 is a single pan lord. 23 is just tentacled monstrosities. 22 actually has a few different monsters. Draconian are 16 or 14, depending. Bolder beetle is only 12. 8 contains some mid game enemies. 5 is considered tough in the early game. 3 is extremely-early uniques and bees.

30HD > 63 to-hit > 1d(46.5) melee, 1d(81.9) ranged
22HD > 51 to-hit > 1d(41.5) m, 66.3 r
16HD > 42 to-hit > 1d(36) m, 54.6 r
16HD > 58 to-hit in Dispater's case, because he has the fighter tag, so 44m, 75.4 r
12HD > 36 to-hit > 1d 33 m, 46.8 r
8HD > 30 to-hit > 1d 30 m, 39 r
5HD > 25.5 to-hit > 1d 27.75 m, 33..15 r
3HD > 22.5 to-hit > 1d 26.25 m, 29.25 r
So that's a range of piercing-values encountered during the game.

A players blocking-value is 2d(4×SH)/6 - 1
My character, currently, has a SH of 6 with a buckler, or 10 with a kiteshield. That's 2d(24)/6-1, or 2d(40)/6-1.
That's Buckler range -.6666 to 7, and kite -.6666 to 12.333 shield value

continued

>>531551187
>and they should cut every handgun caliber that isn't 9/40/45
I sure hope you're not intentionally saying they should remove all revolvers.

I generally agree with you about the AR's and pistols, fuck that shit, but in reality they should rework the entire gun list to abuse classes and that variant system in the code way more than they do. A brief look at the json they have on the git shows a LOT of repetitive code when it comes to the guns. With better inheritance, they could make shit much more lean. Sure it would be somewhat harder for normies to browse the repo and understand what they're looking at, but dear god we don't need the same list of stanag mag ids retyped for every fucking gun that uses them when it could be made into an "ar_magwell" object.

I am a gun autist myself, but ARs are boring and I appreciate the inclusion of non-military and old guns. Cut down the repetition in the code to make future work/maintenance more manageable, actually let the cooler shit spawn, and condense the calibers. They have lots of cool shit that uses normal calibers, but nobody but gun autists knows the difference between .357 Magnum and .357 SIG or .38 Special and .38 Super.

/'tism rant over

>>531551410
So, against enemies in melee

3HD : blocked if 1d22.5 - shieldValue <= 0, 12% buckler, 24% kite
5hD : 1d25.5 - shieldValue <= 0, 11%buckler 21% kite
8HD : 1d30 - shiledValue <= 0, about 9.2% for buckler and 18% for kite
12HD: 1d36 - sV <=0, 7.6% B, 15% K
16HD : 1d42 - sV <=0, 6.5% B, 12.9% K
22HD : 1d51 - sV <=0, 5.4% B, 10.6% K
16HDF : 1d58 - sV <=0, 4.7% B, 9.3% K
30HD : 1d63 - sV <=0, 4.4% B, 8.6% K

Meaning, an SH value of around 6 or 10 increases your average effective hp by a pitiful amount, but continues to be comparably effective no matter how deep in the game you get. The basically means that twohanded weapons may be much better than I previously believed in terms of damage-before-death. Why, then, do you feel so much more tanky with a shield?
Will run more tests when I'm deeper in the game.

>>531553852
>I appreciate the inclusion of non-military and old guns.
that's great and all, but I hope you can recognize that this appreciation is the exact kind of appreciation certain users have for the inclusion of 30 different varieties of tranny socks.
I am a gun autist too, and I don't appreciate the inclusion of tons of gun autism at all because I play video games to play video games not to masturbate over my obscure gun knowledge, and having a million different guns whose differences are so marginal that you will probably never encounter a scenario where they would matter in gameplay makes the game worse.
Weapon bloat is annoying on multiple levels, particularly in a game as detailed at cataclysm where you also need compatible magazines and ammunition. Item bloat in general is a plague on the game, but adding tons of item bloat to gameplay critical items like guns is completely asinine and serves nobody except the handful of people who will smile one time after seeing a thing they know in the game and then not care about it ever again.
If it were up to me, they would have the generic gun thing just be the default and ideally make it even more generic. Change all the various glocks and sigs and whatever into simply 'pistol'. Change all the ARs and 416s etc into 'assault rifle'. If you really want more than that, just add a blub of flavor text or something.

>>531553921
Blocking is multiplicative with evasion and AC in it's end result. If you have very high chance to dodge and very high damage reduction, adding in even a little chance to block significantly changes the damage you take.
Like with 50% evasion and 50% reduction, equivalent to a 4x health modifier on average, a 25% block chance makes that a 5x modifier instead, adding an entire extra bar's worth of virtual HP.

That's not even getting into shields having built in AC, effectively being an entire extra piece of armor you don't normally get, and then the enchantments on that shield...
It's a big difference when you add everything together, even if it looks small by itself.

>>531554708
I think the sweet spot is just generic items with varied flavortext names and descriptions. So you have all rifles just be "rifle" but have various different kinds of rifle that differ only aesthetically but all work the same. At most maybe add a simple numeric tier system, like pistol, pistol +1, etc... and have your autism being about assigning which gun gets what tier.

Also the entire crafting system could be fixed with, may god forgive me for suggesting this, OOP inheritance. Collect all the billion items into a few vase classes and restructure the crafting recipes around those classes. This is already partway done with containers anyway, just extend it to everything.

>>531555115
>I think the sweet spot is just generic items with varied flavortext names and descriptions.
yes 110%. this should be done for nearly everything in the game, food, clothes, everything.

It's particularly egregious in the case of food, where there are a trillion varieties of the same basic dish but with possible ingredient variants so large that the don't even resemble the damn food they are supposed to be, e.g. a spaghetti bolognese that you can apparently make with ramen noodles, bologna and ketchup. I'd like to know who on earth would consider that to be spaghetti bolognese lmao. It should just be "pasta", "pasta with meat" etc.

>>531547050
Lost Flame is dark souls inspired. It has combat rolls, stamina, large bosses with telegraphed attacks, and being able to come back to life at bonfires.

>>531554708
>and having a million different guns whose differences are so marginal
Generally I agree with you, however it's nice when they have weird shit like the CP-33. A million 9mm pistols with 10-15 round magazines is gratuitous, however a default 33-round handgun (trading out firepower for quantity, because .22lr) is an interesting and notable difference.
>>531555115
Flavortext and descriptions go a long way, they're already doing that to a degree with the variant system. But reducing guns to a small/medium/large pistol/rifle/smg system would imo make looting really bland and boring. Just because two guns use the same caliber doesn't mean there aren't appreciable differences between them.
>pistol +1
This +X shit should never be applied to guns in games outside of magical influences. What would it even represent? Caliber? Mag size?
>OOP inheritance
I genuinely wonder why this isn't used more in the code.
>>531555485
The food is pretty ridiculous, lol. We ain't playing Masterchef here lol

>>531554708
>Item bloat in general is a plague on the game,
it's crazy the kind of shit you find included as actual items. Loot a house and you will find dozens and dozens of random objects that serve no gameplay purpose at all like chopsticks and canopeners and whatever else. most of them you can't even disassemble for bullshit materials like scrap metal, what the fuck is the point in including them in the game??

I expect at this point for someone to specifically add bellybutton lint and dust particles as things to show up in the looting menu uselessly too.

>>531556241
Makes looting interesting desu. Yes it's useless bullshit, but part of looting is sorting out the good shit from the useless stuff.

But yeah, most everything should be able to be disassembled

>>531556234
>Just because two guns use the same caliber doesn't mean there aren't appreciable differences between them.
It pretty much does mean that for the purposes of gameplay, and even IRL in many many cases too frankly. What exactly is the earth shattering difference between all of the various 5.56 military rifles used today other than ergonomic shit that would be annoying or pointless to attempt implementing in the game or reliability in various conditions that also would just be annoying for gameplay. The differences are too subtle to matter at all for the purposes of a game.
>This +X shit should never be applied to guns in games outside of magical influences. What would it even represent? Caliber? Mag size?
you could do that simply to signify a better gun of the same caliber, e.g. a glock 21 = .45 pistol and a Mk23 = .45 pistol +1.

>>531555485
>a spaghetti bolognese that you can apparently make with ramen noodles, bologna and ketchup. I'd like to know who on earth would consider that to be spaghetti bolognese lmao. It should just be "pasta", "pasta with meat" etc.
Look, it's a bad situation, please just let me at least pretend to have something nice

I still don't understand the impulse to add mother fucking DUST to the game this late into it's development like dust isn't going to cause months if not years worth of bug fixing on it's own for very little return on investment.

CDDA devs are just taunting us with the fact that they will NEVER make the game playable for the average non-autist. We will play test the more st tedious shit imaginable for Kevin, Erk and all those balding little asocial fucks if we want to continue playing the fun little apocalypse survival rogue like for an eternity at this point.

>>531556474
>but part of looting is sorting out the good shit from the useless stuff.
yeah the bad part lmao. The thought of spending >50% of gameplay staring at looting screens and doing mind numbing inventory management is the thing that stops me from playing the game most of the time, like when you don't replay a game you liked in the past because it has one really shitty slog of a level.

>>531556234
Just make gun mods in explicit tiers.
+1 means it has every +1 mod, +2 is every +2 mod, etc...

>>531557103
>I still don't understand the impulse to add mother fucking DUST to the game
what do you mean they actually did that? I was just joking when I mentioned that.

>>531557103
bro just play TLG or BN

>>531557024
The caliber line wasn't defending the gorillion AR rifles. I specifically gave an example of a gun in game that has significant differences from the rest of the guns in it's class/caliber group if everything was reduced to ".22lr pistol".
>>531557164
I for one, like the looting. I wouldn't play CDDA if it didn't appeal to my loot goblin ways.
>>531557385
So for example a gun that has a larger mag would be a Pistol with a +1 mag mod, but not a Pistol +1? I have mixed feelings on this...
>>531557481
yeah, breaking shit adds duct overlays to the ground/walls around it. It's dumb as fuck and has no purpose afaik

>>531557712
>Because one feature displeases me, I will play the version that cuts out many features I do like
The real answer is to simplify the core game, and split everything else into mods. Sure there would be a gorillion mods, but you could have the "default" set of mods and still tailor the game exactly how you want it. Don't like Fungal enemies, don't use the fungal mod. Want gay shit, use the gay mod. Want more gun variety, use the expanded guns mod.

>>531557481
A screenshot from the subreddit about 12 days ago. Yes, all of those % are dust particulates and its the ugliest shit imaginable. I think the experimental build has changed the dust icon to something a little less of an eyesore but holy fucking shit.

>>531557731
I wasn't just talking about AR rifles either, I mean every 5.56 military rifle used by whatever military today. Are there differences? sure there are IRL but even then the differences are subtle, technical and usually in reference to a parameter that is critical to real life combat like reliability or weight that can't be applied meaningfully to a game.
As for the CP-33 example you gave, what exactly is so unique about it in terms of gameplay? It has a higher magazine capacity? That certainly matters for gameplay but you can also just find higher capacity mags for common guns like a 33rd glock mag. The difference between a CP-33 and a glock with a 33rd mag is pretty apparent IRL since the glock mag sticks a mile out of the gun, but how would you apply that meaningfully to the game? make the .22 gun be 2 inches shorter so it can fit in some arbitrary kind of holster?

>>531557164
it's really not that bad, the pocket whiners are just prima donnas
>>531558073
what is missing from TLG that you're going to miss? it even has some features that DDA doesn't have

>>531558283
>it's really not that bad, the pocket whiners are just prima donnas
pockets aren't even my issue aside from the few notable offenders like sugar and salt and other shit like that that takes an eternity to remove from its pocket. The thing I don't like is how I have to hit page down literally like 30 times because the loot menu includes countless multitudes of different colored t-shirts, pants, earrings with different fucking gemstones even and then all of those each with their own levels of durability damage increasing the amount of entries on the list 5x over from how bad it would already be.

>>531558283
My least favorite part of TLG is the dev, she's a raging Femcel who is trying to persue both a YouTube career and being the primary TLG dev with the help of trucker speed or some sort of amphetamine.

She went on a rant about the various types of Ritalin-likes and their side effects in her Discord a while back and went onto suspicious detail about how one could theoretically take them with seemingly little adverse affects. I don't expect TLG to stay regularly updated for very long, but it could be fun for a while.

>>531558530
The obvious solution here is to destroy everything that isn't in stirling condition so that it doesn't weigh down the reality bubble.

Purge the unclean, the firmament cannot contain both the worthy and unworthy without a dire cosr.

>>531558604
>My least favorite part of TLG is the dev
ok who cares

the alternative is kevin and co so lmao

>>531558530
This would also be solved with some simple OOP.
Just have one class: shirts, and then tack on a bunch of descriptions and modifiers for all the different types you want. Then the entire category collapses down into one thing, call it "assorted shirts" or hell "assorted clothing", give the option to open it up and look for specific shit in there to take out, but just list it as one stack.

>>531557731
The solution is to take all the unique features that make guns distinct and just make them mods on a generic base. Then you can have all your tism guns, and also all kinds of fudd frankenstein abominations, which would be both realistic AND convenient. Make ammo generic and have ammo mods too for the full spectrum of tism without 90% of the hassle.
Don't even have pistols and rifles, just have "guns". A rifle is just a gun with an extended barrel, precision sights, and high capacity magazine loaded with high power ammo.
An smg is just a full auto pistol with a stock and extended mag, etc...

Make the tiers into different types of weapons and you can fit all ranged weapons into a single class. Bows are tier 1(wood) then you get tier 2(metal) tier 3(hi tech) tier three(experimental) tier 4(alien) etc...
So your tier zero "gun" is made of leather and shoots stone "bullets", then you get into a wooden gun that shoots wooden bullets, etc... Just add in custom descriptions and it'll basically be the same as now but with a 90% reduction in the size of the codebase.

>>531560014
>Just have one class: shirts, and then tack on a bunch of descriptions and modifiers for all the different types you want.
You are describing exactly what I have wanted for a long time.

>>531560014
>Don't even have pistols and rifles, just have "guns". A rifle is just a gun with an extended barrel, precision sights, and high capacity magazine loaded with high power ammo.
>An smg is just a full auto pistol with a stock and extended mag, etc...
that's basically how the cars work when you think about it.

>>531560014
>>531560078
This would also let you do shit like wearing pants as a jacket, using socks as gloves, turning boots into a hat, etc...
Just make all clothing generic and impose the (doesn't fit) penalty for anything you haven't altered to fit into the right slot.

It's not just simpler and easier, it's funnier AND more realistic too! The insane hobo crafter is defacto the most realistic possible survivor type. Making all items generic and just differentiating by material allows for lots of creativity like making boat sails out of jeans and turning bicycles into plumbing parts.

>>531560427
Yeah it's a simple idea and already used in many places haphazardly, but somehow not anywhere it would be a huge help. Makes sense as a hodge podge codebase of mostly non technical contributers throwing random shit together with no system.
Can you imagine if cars used the recipe system and were all thousands of distinct unique items instead of modules?
>I can't replace the engine in my dodge because all the available parts are nissan only!
>excuse me, but leather seats are NOT standard in the corolla camry, you have to use vinyl wraps to construct them!

>>531560686
>Just make all clothing generic and impose the (doesn't fit) penalty for anything you haven't altered to fit into the right slot.
That's another one that annoys the shit out of me too, how there's XL and XS variants for every piece of crafted armor. literally WHY? First of all, why would a piece of equipment you are CRAFTING FOR YOURSELF ever be anything other than your size? Why can't we just assume that you would make it to fit the person you are crafting it for? And if even that isn't an acceptable solution, why not just use the already existing poor fit tag instead of inventing 2 brand new ones that only ever apply in the first place to the player and only in late game scenarios where you are mutating extensively?

>>531561320
>First of all, why would a piece of equipment you are CRAFTING FOR YOURSELF ever be anything other than your size?
Could be making it for a companion or forcing your slav-I mean companions to make it

>>531562730
It doesn't make sense even in that scenario, why would you or your companion not make it to fit the person that will be wearing it?

imo they should just remove the entire notion of being XL or XS sized, what purpose does it serve? It's just difficulty by way of tedium in the oversized case by preventing you from using vehicles and shit, and it just some generic stat differential for being small, and both of these traits only exist in the case of specific mutation trees that almost nobody ever chooses in the first place largely because the size penalties are so annoying. You can have bear or cattle like traits without having to literally weigh a ton or be 10 feet tall.

I want to savescum this life

>>531560014
>90% reduction in the size of the codebase
Where? Building a more elaborate system that allows more variation means you need LONGER json definitions for all the guns rather than shorter.

Assuming there are Frog/Pos players here, what's the point of Lich race? It seems like their thing is starting off weak and then becoming strong very late game and they really start weak but I'm not seeing what makes their late game strong enough to tolerate the start
It looks like a regular chaos high mage is just better

>>531577257
My brother in christ, have you even looked at the github? At least when it comes to guns, the devs seem to be allergic to OOP concepts. Just a quick look at the gloves json tells me that clothing files are managed the same way. So many shared code snippets that could be abstracted away instead of being copy-pasted many times.

I found that diamond coating machine in CDDA. So far I've been stabbing things with cheap spears and switching to unarmed (Toad Kung Fu with brass knuckles) once something gets within range. Should I coat a fancier spear, find/make some tiger claws, or go all out with a zweihander (or other big reach weapon)?

>>531556241
It's flavor. Makes the world feel more lived in

My roguelike will be cataclysm but good.

>>531585114
Make a dead fork, king. Sounds like you have a lot of ideas

>>531585834
first idea: zombies that fly

>>531587242
CDDA already has that

>>531587242
>what are flesh raptors

>>531587337
>>531587351
second idea: zombies that listen to kpop

>>531587351
Second idea

Zombie Vietnam, welcome to the Zungle

>>531587969
>tree zombies
>dungeons are intricate claustrophobic tunnels full of death traps

>>531587734
The zombies in CDDA are already gay
>>531587969
This is something I can get behind. New England as a setting gets old after a while.

>>531587969
>>531588023
>the challenge scenarios where something is following you has the Predator hunting you down

>>531587969
Ok I'll let you cook on this one. Phoning kevin now

>enters helicopter
>It Aint Me starts playing

>>531420117
You have to manual farm if you want superfoods but there's actually a lot of things that can be automated if you don't mind the lack of superfood.

>>531554730

despite what anon has posted, i dont ever see any melee characters on webtiles without a shield. it's rare to see a melee char just rocking a two-handed weapon unless it's a formicid following recent changes to armor class / GDR and evasion. in previous versions, it was a lot more viable to use a two-hander and just rely on your AC or EV -- but no more.

and that makes sense because you get your ass handed to you if you don't have shield in pretty much all phases of the game.

this also applies to enemes that use a shield, e.g tengus, gnoll sergeants, or angel/daevas -- they're hard as hell to take down with normal melee or ranged attacks

>>531556241
have you ever played another open world rpg in your life

>>531583237
cata feels less lived in than rogue survivor
you can put a million useless items in a game but it wont make the game feel alive
a realistic simulation would make the world feel alive
rogue survivor did this better than cata
but too bad its developer just left while it was still in alpha
whenever a roguelike loses its original developer and continues development for years and years it always devolves into this autism slop
you fools know nothing about anything
poor bastards

>>531600036
> loses its original developer and continues development for years and years it always devolves into this autism slop

i think the problem is community driven updates.
you need a strong central developer to make a good game.
if you let the community contribute you run into autism acceleration.

>>531600349
Community contributions are fine, with a strong dev, because then you'll have someone to tell the ideologs to fuck off.

>>531600349
too bad you got kevin the autistic manchild
desu most good roguelike developers just leave roguelikes for a genre that will actually result in something more than a horde of autists and troons playing their game and not even having the capacity to appreciate them for it
only a few people who really love this autistic genre are producing anything real for it
its overwhelmed by troons and unfun sperglords and the like

>>531602906
>unfun sperglords
some of you

>>531602906
How do I make a roguelike

>>531603570
you don't, not because of lack of ability but because of lack of will
id sincerely like to see you prove me wrong

Real asa question, but why isn't DCSS discussion nearly as toxic as CDDA? I thought both were community developed games that people have devoted years of their time, is it because the devs of DCSS keep their mouths shut or is it something about the Zombie theme of CDDA that attracts the pedantic retards?

>>531604627
You're likely right. I just don't know the first step though. I have zero coding experience but would love to make and autistism game about cryptids in Appalachia

>>531607538
It's because the direction cataclysm took, i.e. justifying and designing everything from the basis of supposed realism instead of gameplay.
They went that route because it's easy to say X functions like Y IRL so we will make it Y too because justifying changes on whether it will make the game better is largely subjective, and inevitably result in autism blood feuds with the deranged tranny developers melting down at each other because their pet contribution got nerfed or removed. It's all a consequence of having no central authoritative voice for the project like some anon mentioned earlier, without that you end up with a free for all with every neurodivergent lunatic out there pushing to include their gross fetish barely disguised as a game mechanic or item.

>>531610362
>with every neurodivergent lunatic out there pushing to include their gross fetish barely disguised as a game mechanic or item
wtf are you even talking about lmao

>>531610362
>>531610557
>wtf are you even talking about lmao

>deranged tranny developers melting down at each other because their pet contribution got nerfed or removed.
look no further for an example than the condom debacle a while back. some guy removes all the dozens of varieties of condom because it's probably not necessary to specify the exact color, texture and flavor of every random condom you happen to find, cue a tranny lunatic melting down on github about his so very important contribution of condom variety being removed and then having it reinstated just to appease his hissy fit.

Same goes for many things in the game, why there's a million mutation trees with many of them overlapping tremendously, because furry freaks want to RP as specifically a cat mutant, they can't get off to being a generic beast creature. Same for why there's all flavors of tranny socks etc.

>>531607538
DCSS is a completed game, CDDA is an autism simulator.
Even before all the autism changes and deletions, DCSS was finished and feature complete. They've changed a lot of stuff but never made it unplayable.
Meanwhile in CDDA no one knows what the fuck is going on, people just add random bullshit ontop of the pile of other bullshit and there's no structure or direction or anything.
Like why do you play crawl? To get runes and the orb and win.
Why do you play cata? To fuck around and look at things.

>>531610884
so exactly one example
mutations are the funnest way to play the game you retard
how are they redundant when the categories all have unique traits and also work as an avenue to a specific group of mutations while preserving some randomness, its better than picking specific mutations and it enables roleplaying

>>531610884
I'm surprised there aren't dildos.
>>531611142
Bretty gud answer. CDDA is about doing ambitious shit and setting your own goals, though, within the bloat

>>531612485
>how are they redundant when the categories all have unique traits
unique traits being what exactly? one gives you +3 dex instead of +3 strength? The general playstyle of so many trees is near identical, beast, wolf and cat are basically the same tree with minor differences but everyone knows exactly why they are distinct entries I'm sure. Same goes for bear and cattle, both play very similar. Apparently there was a need to specifically include a distinct tree for both mouse AND rat, because you know they are so very different animals. Then add rabbit to those since it's also very similar.

Literally the only reason these hyper specific trees exist is to appease some furry fetishist out there, don't even pretend otherwise. They could and should condense the mutation trees to less than half their current number to improve the gameplay or mutating, but they won't do that because then how will their dear contributors be able to jerk off to their pixel graphics roguelike game??

Anyone use bombastic perks for CDDA?

>>531613606
if you had played mouse or rat you would know they play completely differently so you dont know what the fuck youre talking about anyway

>>531614114
The one that's similar to mouse is rabbit, you're right that rat plays more like a generic beast mutant similar to cat/wolf/beast, but then why fucking include it at all? Just cut one of them and make the remaining one actually different. I can't help but notice you didn't have anything to say about the other examples I gave, probably because you can't argue with what I said lmao.

I would be money that you are a furfag yourself t b h since you are taking such issue with what I'm saying lol.

>>531614592
no im not a furry, im just a mutation enjoyer, because they change the way you play the game
which is fun
you just have furries and trannies living in your head rent-free

>>531612598
>I'm surprised there aren't dildos.
I think someone actually did try to remove the vibrator item because having the ability to masturbate in your zombie game is kind of bizarre, but of course he was shouted down by the usual suspects.

>>531614898
I enjoy mutation too, what I don't enjoy is how the mutation system is hopelessly bloated with too few interesting mutations spread out across way too many mutation trees. They should condense the mutations the same way they should condense the guns and clothing and every other bloated aspect of the game.

15 years and they still continuously talk about a game that stopped being even decent 8 years ago.

Arelgee, I have become too enlightened with ideas. There are more ideas than years of my lifespan, I cannot turn them all into roguelikes. Perhaps this is the cue for me to stop working on my ragulike.

>>531581647
Yes, there's only one item class. A rifle is, at its core, an item that shoots bullets, whereas a glove is an item that you wear on your hand. The system is not ideal. But, you're nor really explaining how you would fix it.

>>531582381
Do you know any martial arts besides toad kung fu? A diamond-coated zweihander would be hardcore, but ideally you woulnd't have to use brawling with it.

>>531582381
If you are playing a recent version of the game then definitely don't do it to any kind of sword, the fault system they added to melee weapons means that your sword will inevitably become irreparably broken at some point. The best weapons imo because of that is the battle axe.

>>531609808
You start by picking an engine/language that goes with that engine. Important part is to pick one and not be too picky. Roguebasin, roguelike subreddit, blogs/articles online, grid sage games, chatgpt are some good places to look for articles. Don't be too much of a purist just focus on getting something done don't nitpick the details b/c that will kill your development. Good luck anon.

>mfw grinding for feanor's boots for so long without ever finding them that the game stopped being fun and became almost forgotten . . .

>mfw elf ranger with draconic scale mail and an axe of fury +40/+40 with insanely high number of attacks per round plus so much aggro it literally calls every last monster from across the entire floor even teleporting fungi or whatever it has been so long since my last descent into the dungeons of angband v3.14xfrog-knows.420b

I think the problem with CDDA is that the developers are random autists who add shit than abandon it for the most part, but that 20% of the developers are Über-first class Alpha autists who are insanely bad at fostering a community.

Like really unemployable sweaty neckbeards with less social skills than one would expect given their devotion to rogue-likes, ans that that small elite circle of Giga-rejects rub literally everybody else tne wrong way that just brings more drama than there needs to be.

I'm not a contributor (thank fucking god I clocked the insane stench of poor social skills in the Discord before I made any decisions about putting in the effort) but thats just what I've read about the situation.

>>531623618
its pretty fucking sad reading the commits from the low on the totem pole contributors who flinch like abused puppies when talking to the main clique

>>531626501
Let's get some examples

>>531627207
Should we just start name-dropping people?

Okay

>Chaos Volt was treated pretty poorly over the last couple ot years and had the work they put in on CDDA downplayed because of a disagreement they had with the direction of the game early on.
>Pryanik got booted for a translation error being intentionally misread as them using slurs. There was no attempt by Dear Leader to work out what happened, why and how to move forward in a constructive way. Just a resounding "We're done" and a quick boot off of the development team despite it being clear that they have gad a stirling record of cooperating with the rest of the dev team up until the point they made a complaint.
>The entire drama around Worm Girls contributions being reversed by one of the inner without any sort is what lead to her making her own fork where her contributions couldn't just be wrenched out without a second thought.

Should I think of more times that the main clique of CDDAs dev team making people lower on the metaphorical totem pole feel unwelcome, because I just thought of those examples off of the top of my head, and two of the three examples have happened within the past 12 months alone in a 10+ year dev cycle.

I'm willing to bet there have been dozens of people who have been rubbed the wrong way by the inner clique over the years.

>>531637946
I was more looking for these commit convos, because they're pretty funny to read, but I appreciate the history. I didn't know who tf wormgirl was until TLG

>>531637946
>The entire drama around Worm Girls contributions being reversed by one of the inner without any sort
what was the deal with this anyway, when I started playing the game again a few months ago I was looking up info on recent changes and found a reddit thread where a supposed dev was sperging out hard over whatever happened with her, including outright insulting her over whatever her additions were and how shitty and sloppy they supposedly were.

>>531607538
Because DCSS just has annoying fags who focus too hard on "le balance". In DCSS I have a goal. I have a constant push to keep moving forward to get the orb. Whether by hunger or the Zot clock. Each area is clearly themed and defined. I can look at a random screenshot and get a good idea of where a person is and what level they need to be at. And I can play the actual game easily.

In CDDA you need to compile it. Already rooting out a vast swathe of people who like the pick up and play nature of roguelikes. There's also nothing to do. No goal. Just go around hoarding shit until you get too OP and then you'll just be bored with little incentive to bother moving on. There's no real win or loss condition beyond "don't die". Half the time I'm just walking around wondering what to do. It's too open world.

>>531643663
Did CDDA stop offering binaries at some point?

what a bullshit entrance vault.
I think rampaging towards the top-left lich is the play. It will put me out of LOS of the hellions on one dispell undead demon. Then I run away with gells gravitamborine.
Alternatively I could try dueling the dispelling demons, but there's a real chance that they do some serious damage to me.

>>531645580
alternatively I could duel a weak enemy, read tele and kill him. Even transforming to storm in the arena and quaffing some portions could work

>>531643663
I just went to the github releases page, downloaded, extracted, and ran a version of the game from 2 hours ago. What do you mean you have to compile it?

>You have finished your manual of throwing and skillfully throw it away
>>531645580
there was a chokepoint south east. The silence was spotty there, so I could buff up, but lichs could cast to with 27% paralyse chance.
dodgy situtation but if you get lucky on lich hex rolls and not many dispell undead casts, its survivable

>>531645580
teleport trap after I cleared almost all besides the dangerous part, so naturally the only enemies left to teleport me to is this pan lord in his comfy vault lmao. He has some scary spells too, Glaciate with 10d14. He has rF++ (more than me), so immo would probably be bad
I am half tempted to just ninja the rune with blink and tele out

>>531643663
>Parroting the legitimate criticism and then undermining it by blatantly lying
You might as well just type
>Im a CDDA dev and I don't have a legitimate way of addressing your criticism so im going to pretend to be retarded while criticising the game so the entire group looks retarded, HURR DURR
for how blatant your misdirection is.

>>531652157
I'm not a dev at all since code to me may as well be Chinese. What exactly did I lie about? That's my experience with the games. I have to use an external launcher to even play the fucking thing and half the time I'm wandering around with nothing to do. There isn't a clear goal like in most roguelikes. Other roguelikes are very easy to pick up and play. CDDA is not.

>>531590247
Do I need a guide if I'm not super autisming it up in base building? I just wanted to go exploring and shit. I don't really have the drive to deal with more tedium. Maybe I'll just wait on booting up Elin

>>531617245
I have a few untrained manuals back at my base. Pretty sure Montante is the only one I have that is an armed style.
>>531617497
I am playing the latest experimental. Would something like a halbard still be feasible? I would very much like to still have reach. Maybe a bayonet to slap on an "oh shit" gun (I think mounted bayonets had reach)?

>>531627207
it was just something I saw when i was searching random terms on github and reading through comments on interesting pull requests that were usually rejected. people frequently typing like they were walking on eggshells imo.

>>531654921
>I am playing the latest experimental. Would something like a halbard still be feasible?
just check hitchhikers to see if whatever weapon you want can get the cracked or broken blade fault. If it can then it will eventually break beyond repair and that means every weapon with that possibility is not viable.

>>531654921
>Maybe a bayonet to slap on an "oh shit" gun (I think mounted bayonets had reach)?
I wouldn't be surprised if it's impossible to mount a diamond bayonet on a gun or if it is that it would revert to a basic bayonet when you removed it.
In fact iirc you can't do the diamond coating thing on a weapon unless it's primarily cut damage, it's been forever since I found or used one of those things so I'm not sure but I remember that being a thing.
I assumed they removed them from the game it's been so long lmao.

>>531652917
Just get enough of the handy auto features like auto deposit earnings in bank and auto pay tax bill so you can just come back whenever you need your crafting benches.

>>531657370
Auto features? I haven't booted it up yet. Are those unlocks or something?

>>531593630
Continuing from earlier

Just switched my shield while having an enemy revealed around a corner and saw the % chance to hit me change, meaning that dodge and shield are both accounted for in that statistic. The game rolls both "dodge" and "block" into an enemy's displayed "chance to hit you."

That means you can see, easily, the exact difference which block is making.

I AM SUPREME

What is the lore behind this game anyway? Why are all the girls in frilly dresses killing each other in a dungeon anyway?

>>531671740
The touhous will do literally anything necessary to facilitate a given fangame, from punching and blasting each other to becoming pokemon. It's in the spirit of them arbitrarily living in a world that works by shmup rules in the original lore.

I've been playing TLG for a while now, but I don't think it's quite what I want yet. Most of the changes are good I think, but I'm gonna wait on it for a while to see where it goes.

>>531676042
one thing im excited for is the mutant faction tlg is adding with a wolf man, raptor man, spider girl, and slime girl
apparently kevin doesnt want a mutant faction because "it doesnt make sense"

>>531677413
>furryshit
Dropped.

>>531677413
I'm more interested in seeing how their basic game balance turns out. It looks to me like they are trying to make combat significantly more dangerous and I'm not sure I'm on board with that.

>child zombie
>aromantic stockings

>>531678310
it doesnt really seem like the current plan is to keep making things significantly tougher if you read recent changelogs

>>531680243
I dunno they said they want to drastically cut armor and did, and they are blanket increasing encumbrance by a lot. Even t-shirts and basic pants have encumbrance now, and they are reducing storage volume on clothing forcing you to take on even more encumbrance for bags and whatnot. They nerfed dodging too and indirectly nerfed melee damage by cutting all of the high damaging melee weapons. All of this combined means combat is drastically more dangerous than it was.

>>531553921
Against a rat, that's 1HD no-fighter melee
Chance to hit me through my 18 ev and 11 SH is 14%
Chance to hit me through my 18 ev and 16 SH is 9%, with an amulet of reflection.
This implies that adding 5 SH has brought up our effective HP by x1.5

Lets see if that makes any sense.
blocking-value is 2d(4×SH)/6 - 1 -> 2d(44 or 64)/6-1
rat to-hit is 18+1.5*hd = 19.5

rat "piercing-value" is melee: 1d(15 + to_hit/2) = 1d(15 + 9.75) = 1d(24.75)
For blocking:
1HD : 1d24.75 - sV <= 0, 23% or 38.2% with the amulet applied

For evasion,
If 1d(to-hit) >= 2d((2 * (target EV)) - 1)/2, then the attack hits.
That's 1d(19.5) >= 2d(35)/2, which should be 79% of the time you dodge, which is about right.

21% chance to hit through ev, times 77% or 62% chance to hit through block, should be 16.94% or 13.64% chance to hit you.
The number is lower than that.

This means the calculations regarding how good SH should be and the calculations for the display of how likely the enemy is to hit are giving different results.
For all I know, the calculation for when you actually get hit is different in yet another way. Otherwise, I would just collect data by standing next to enemy after-images and shifting around my equipment, but now I don't know what to trust.

Where's the fuckup?

How 2 play possessor in frogcomposband

Any cool games where I can play as a skeleton and do skeleton things?

>>531690134
Path or Achra

>>531680069
>aromatic child stockings
SNIFFFF

>>531691783
I wouldn't put it past the devs to add a sniff reaction to clothes.

#releasethekevinfiles

Ring of (rCorr AC+4 dex+5 Slay-6 stlth+)
Physical character
is this a bad ring?

>>531695371
Seems like a ring of (rCorr AC +4 dex +5 Slay +6 stlth+) to me.

>>531696529
well, it's not
better recheck

>>531690134
You can be a skeleton or Lich in Frog, necro skeleton is what I'm planning for my next character actually

>>531671740
Probably a reason similar to why they're killing each other above the ground in the Zun games.

Roguelikes on curing sleep inertia?

>>530908719
>remove autodocs from everything but labs
is that true? I've still been checking for autodoc basements this whole time

>>531700047
yes, and I'm pretty sure they plan to remove them from even labs. iirc they only show up in old labs which they are planning to remove entirely at some point. they want you to install bionics through faction npcs.

Apparently gun stores in DDA were giving 100x the loot they were intended to give due to someone forgetting to undo some debug setting, so that argument about ammo availability in the last thread is more relevant.

I guess now there is no location left in the game to get huge stacks of ammo other than outposts and bunkers. and I guess the bases and aircraft carrier but lol who ever finds those. I've never seen a carrier once myself.

>>531698684
What is frog? The OPs "what to play" doesn't want to work for me

>>531700170
>removing old labs
Oh god no. NuLabs are cancer with virtually nothing useful in them.
>tfw clearing the entire main floor of a NuLab without finding a CBM or Mutagen treasure room
Literally not worth the effort, especially when zombies can bust open the leech root hives and suddenly an entire wing of the lab is leech root territory because you didn't search that area first.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3601130/Touhou_Crawl/

well I tried for like an hour but I died early every time because I can't tell how strong things are and the cranes are punching me for 20 damage per turn

>>531654921
montante is cracked
zweihander or longsword is the way to go here

>>531702338
FrogComposband, the guy just one above your post was talking about it

>>531695371
You take -6 corrosion at the start of the fight so you corrode a bight slower during the rest of combat
of course it also really buffs your defenses, so when you really overtrained offense, this could be ok to use. But you would be better off to level your skills more equally in the first place due to the rising cost

>>531704405
How does it hold up in BNs? and how does it compare to Medieval swordsmanship? MS is fucking broken if you build for it.

>>531350137
One word in and it's painfully obvious that that's a man. lol

>>531691783
Listen, wife’s going out tonight. I’m gonna have the guys over, we’re gonna watch the fish on the big screen. I’m gonna grill up some brats, I got a microbrew chilling in my wet bar, and I was gonna warm up some ziti. Why don’t you come by if you got some triple fried pizza dough, or some kinda frozen meatballs, or whatever it is you can warm it up in my microwave, or warm it up back at home bring it over piping hot, but if you wanna bring over a vegetable medley, a crudités. Figure out how much lunch meat you can spare, maybe bring over a pound and a half, maybe two pounds of black forest ham, maybe a dijon mustard spread, any kind of dessert, maybe a german chocolate cake or something like that. I’d tell you what would make you a big hit with the dudes is get some key lime pie, al la mode, I’m talking about ice cream on the side. and you have got to have a bite of my homemade ziti, I’m just gonna warm her up, she’s been in the freeze. You know what I love are them hot mozzarella sticks, cube them up, put them in some marinara sauce, you have them on standby. Sure you can’t go wrong with some sour cream and onion, so long as you bring ridged chips.

>>531680069
>Child zombie
>MAP flag

what did they mean by this

>>531721326
what flag

>>531725194
Pedo pride world wide

>>531725506
embarrassing.

>>531725194
MAP means Minor Attracted Person, it's quite literally a pedo flag.

Best rag I got from that quest so far

>>531721326
>tfw genuinely unsure whether that flag is in the game or not

>>531726653
Ah, the new republican flag.
>>531729429
You're genuinely retarded then.

Maybe two or so years ago one of you brilliant faggots shared their text colors for CDDA that emulated Qud's style.
If you haven't died of AIDs, can you share it again?
Or do any of you guys have a nice color setup? I might fool around with chatgpt later trying to emulate Qud's color scheme

>>531732208
Qud’s palette is on the wiki faggot

>>531735649
Haha yeah I see that now