(Requisition) Points don't matter Edition

>Update 8.1 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/236-patch-notes-8-1

>Update 8.0 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/230-patch-notes-8-0

>May community update:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/214-may-community-update

>Roadmap:
https://i.imgur.com/38C5Cg9.jpeg

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general
https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://rentry.org/dudewallsm2g

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks

Previously on the Battle-Barge: >>530394531

>Hello fellow Loyalists.
>What? The-these?
>They are my war tro-battle honours.

>>530982008
Why are you so obsessed with melta bombs? When did this become a thing?
I don’t think anyone ever said Absolute was some epic display of skill, my argument is that it’s the only real fun mode left because it’s the only difficulty you can possibly fail on anymore.

>>530983634
>I don’t think anyone ever said Absolute was some epic display of skill
When you say
>other generals would shit on you for an equivalent opinion
you are implying that because either
>the games they play have their hardest difficulties actually require large amounts of skill instead of a not shit build and roll spamming
or
>those generals are full of retards who are high off their own farts

>>530983852
You don’t need to rollslop on Absolute, that’s a Hard Siege only thing
And Absolute does require a good bit of skill, I never said it didn’t, what I’m saying is that it’s not some epic flex like solo Havoc 40 on Darktide or something
The guy I replied to was saying that Absolute is actually just people rolling around dropping melta bombs everywhere, which just isn’t true
Most randoms haven’t clued into how OP Tac’s new team perk is yet

>>530982726
ya dude we saw you post this last time heres a (You).

>>530990608
People who make/post 40k related "memes" ran out of content a decade ago just look at how long Angry Marines and Dawn of War voice lines were used everywhere

Is it safe to assume we won't get any updates beyond community posts at least until September?

>>530995762
Yep

>>530995762
It sounded like they were planning a balance update in the interim. No new content, but it has a higher chance of leaving the game in a less buggy and more balanced state than a big content update. Then after that we'll get the axe and stuff in the big content update at the end of spring.

>>530995762
10.0 is september. 9.0 is slated before then (no new content).

How will fencing users cope when all the block bugs get fixed and it becomes just objectively better than fencing

Holy shit is weapon levelling tied to number of kills because my stalker bolt rifle gets fuck all XP while my bolt carbine is going lightning fast

>>530998814
No it’s literally just tied to the XP you earned for playing
You don’t even actually have to use the gun at all during the mission

>>530998439
By the time Block gets fixed everyone will have moved on from playing this game

Good luck winning the special Olympics

>>530995762
They literally postponed content. It's hilarious but true. So nothing groundbreaking in terms of new cosmetics etc., because there won't be any. Gamebreaking stuff though, sure. More bugs are a given with these devs.
As >>530997642 said, we still have to endure until after spring to get new stuff.
>small indie studio

>>530999047
I’m calling my dad who works at Saber to fix block right now

>>530999579
I'm calling my dad who works at Games Workshop to tell Saber to make block even less functional

I still have not leveled the inferno pistol or the burst fire carbine.

Just nuke this general and move on, restart when they put a real major update and not just a patch or jewing players for cosmetics.

Any other SM2 content can go to /v/.

>>530999953
Just roll it into the coop "You can talk about every 4 man PVE video game so long as it's Darktide" general or shunt it to /vm/ if you aren't a coward

>>530996679
>>530997642
>>530997686
>>530999504 (lmaoing at that "postponed" section)
Damn, I've been out of the loop for a while. That's a darn shame. I was hoping we'd get some armor pieces in-between. How come they didn't plan this stuff out ahead of time? It sure seems like they're laying the tracks as the train is speeding behind them. Even Siege mode seems a bit tacked looking at the number of bugs and issues it's got going.

Not to mention there have been at least a bunch of helmets and other cosmetics posted around here before for some community events and those are also nowhere to be found. I'd like my phobos helmet, thank you. They should know that all sorts of happenings boost their MAU numbers, so not throwing people bone this way just seems odd. I don't know whose more out of touch at this point, devs, managers, CMs or the publisher?

I'm still amazed that someone at Saber thought it'd be a brilliant idea to attach all cosmetics on a model and have the game visually "remove" them outside the ones we pick. What's funnier is that someone else looked at it and left it there.
True professionals.

>>531001886
At least now we have a definitive reason for the game's performance getting worse and worse every patch.

>>531002109
>>531001886
It's not stupid if it works
No one said it has to work well

>>531008206
slav hands typed this post

I can get my gf to play Helldivers
I can get her to play Rimworld
I can get her to play League
But I can’t get her to try Space Marine 2…

>>531009949
It's a game women will never understand

>>531009949
There are no female astartes.

>>531009949
Space Marines are too manly for females, even the gaymer types

All Astartes are men

>>531009949
She's waiting for the custodes game.

>>531009949
How did you get her to play Helldivers then?

>>531009949
this reads more like you convinced her play league and she no longer trusts your taste in games

>>531011627
Unironically through the Guard Dog stratagem
She thought it was cute and that and the fact she could play a female was enough to get her to try it
She refuses to play without the guard dog though

>>531011991
Is your gf white by any chance

>>531012605
No she’s Filipino

To hearken back to the last thread, as a guy that plays both games I think Darktide is harder, Absolute is way more doable than auric damnation. Shit, compared to hard siege mode absolute missions feel like a cakewalk now.

>>531013441
I am sorry, but you seem confused. Who asked?

>>531013660
I did
>>531013441
Yeah on Auric Damnation even if everyone takes super meta shit like shout Vet and Chorus zealot it’s still super fast paced
On Absolute if we’ve got a plasma cannon heavy and a perked-up plasma rifle tac I can basically start zoning out outside of Terminus waves

>random steals all the executions
>hoards the stims and don't even use them
I fucking hate console niggers so much

>>531015267
I do this and I'm on PC

Every man for himself, sucks that you're too slow

You're not my friend and I'm just paired with you for the match, as long as you don't die and slow me down I'll do anything that benefits only me

>>531015394
You're a nigger and a reddit spacer

>>531015394
I prefer it when my teammates die actually
Because then they’re forced to sit and watch me pull off a sick clutch

>playing siege mode for the first time
>save up 2 grand to summon a dreadnought
>nothing happens
did I get scammed?

>>531018060
I think it only shows up for terminus enemies
It's kinda shit, you shouldn't be using it anyway
Save it for wave 15, unlock the shit helmet, and never touch siege again

>>531018060
You need to buy all 1500 points and summon it manually

>>531018060
You pay the money then summon it with a separate button

>>530999953
>Any other SM2 content can go to /v/.
No thank you. /v/ space marine threads have been consistently shit since beforela launch. They are either filled with /tg/ castaways that just want to bitch about old /tg/ drama, darktide/roguetrader anons that co-opt the thread to talk about their games, autistic discord raiders, or eldar/tau porn degenerates.

>>531009949
certain statistics show that women overwhelmingly refuse to play male characters where men often play either

>tried to play some hard mode siege
>too tired from being at work since 4am on a fucking Sunday
>whiff all my parries and go down round 4
> just alt f4

maybe next weekend...

>>531026693
I’m sorry were you actually trying to play hard siege mode for fun? Why?

>>531015394
>walks by you when youre downed.
KEK lamo even

>>530997642
>a balance update in the interim. No new content, but it has a higher chance of leaving the game in a less buggy and more balanced state
more nerfs and more bugs? i can't fucking wait.

>>531035535
What have they actually ever nerfed outside of the Tactical GL spam? And then he got regular grenade spam to replace that anyways.

>>531037514
they nerfed that bulwark parry perk and his banner

>>531037514
are you new? they have nerfed melta rifles, melta bombs, kraks, healbanners, plasma pistols, melta pistols, blocking weapons (twice). and i probably forgot something.

>>531038347
The only thing they have buffed at all were bolt weapons because of how worthless they were.

>>530981836 (OP)
To Brothers who are interested in doing a 12-man siege lobby, here's the new poll to find the best date/time for everybody or most of us:

https://strawpoll.com/xVg71J9o6yr

For those who weren't in the know, there's already been one vote with regards to a day of the 'event' and it was nailed down to Saturdays.

>>531038347
Oh yeah, I forgot all that. To be fair, they also buffed:
All bolt weapons many times (still not enough)
Many perks including full reworks to where MOST are in a good spot now
Regular banners
Nerfed many enemies including spore mines, Neurothropes having less AOE puddles
Buffed how armor works (minoris used to destroy 1 armor per attack)
and probably other stuff I forgot

>>531038750
>3 participants
>no code posted yesterday

>>531038750
installing mods is a fucking pain in the ass wish only needed 1 person to commit and other people can join

>>531039172
Agreed, but modders did work with devs for a while on making modding easier and it paid off, now it's just dropping files in mods folder.
The only hassle is backing up your save because vanilla and modded game use different progression path.
But you can still use mod loader for both of these save yourself trouble.

I just went through an entire Reliquary on Ruthless and not a single person joined
I tried quickplay after that and no one
Is this game just fucking dead
>captcha
What the FUCK

>>531044127
>Reliquary
>not a single person joined
idk man, i'd be grateful, i've had enough runs where the final area was basically pvp where the other guy and I had to outrun a team "mate" who kept pressing random buttons

also next time instead of captcha post a fucking code

>>531045770
>post a code to sit there for 45 minutes until some euro with 600 ping joins
Nah I’m way more spooked by that captcha instead

>>531018930
>I think it only shows up for terminus enemies
maybe consider shutting the fuck up when someone asks a question and you have no clue will you

>>531046134
oh it's the sea subhuman again. have you tried being white?

>>531046273
Bitch I’m American
I’m not waiting for some 600 ping euro to join my game

>>531047779
try living in a first world country

>>531047903
Yeah let me get the American government right on that one chief

>>531038750
I like the idea Brother. You should bump up it every now and then so it doesn't get lost in the thread. Don't get discouraged if some Anons get tense about it. Some people don't like others showing even a modicum of initiative. Anyway, you have my vote too.

I am fortifying this thread.

>twelve player lobby poll
>three players can't agree on time

>>531038750
I would, but it means I need to make a trannymods account and I'm not doing that.

>>530995762
they said they will focus on weapon balance next. its not like that would take much dev work tweaking numbers, i think we will get an update in the next month

>>531046273
>implying SEAnogs play 40k

>>531067840
it's more likely than you think

>>531068048
I played with all of the codeposters here, never encountered somewhere in Asia though I've played with Asian randoms since they had non-English usernames.

The closest ones were Aussies and Kiwis.

SEAniggers are openly despised in multiplayer games, at least those that they do actually play.

I like to play with people from all over the world.

>almost finished all missions on absolute
kinos for this feel?

>>531078364
You truly beat Absolute unlike the early players here.

>>531061875
everybody is afraid to even post codes here

>>531079223
that's because they'll be exposed
fencingshitters will be exposed
blockshitters will be exposed
boltershitters will be exposed
meltastompers will be exposed

>>531078716

>>531079697
No seriously.

>early Absolute
3 Extremis at any time, any area
at least 1 Terminus spawn
a few more Majoris spam

>Absolute now
Multiple Extremis in every area, for Chaos maps you can get 3 Sorcerers reviving multiple Rubric Marines
2 Terminus spawns at the same time or one after the other
more Majoris spam, if Tyranids they all call for multiple reinforcements forcing Tacticals to take the specific no reinforcement auspex perk

>>531079223
I have ttv in my name so no one will play with me.

>>531067352
>weapon balancing
I don't trust them with that. Hell, they can barely make cosmetics work much lass adjust numbers on weapons. Bolter weapons need buffs, maybe with the exception of Carbine and Stalker, but even 400% buff across the board means nothing. Funny thing though, because even by TT/"lore" standards a typical bolter should be able to bring down a Warrior with one mag effortlessly. I realize balancing shared weapon pool between different modes - operations and siege - ain't easy but you need to test this stuff in game to understand how shitty some guns are and that makes them unusable in most cases. If only they played their own game....

Of course "lore accuracy" only matters to Saber when it's convenient. God forbid CSM gear in PvE (though I don't care much about that desu), but it's A-OK to slap Salamanders paint on Sniper and call it a day.
>inb4 "he already had a cape, lol, you don't like poor sniper"
This just goes to show they like to cut corners in all departments.

>>531061875
>Brother achieved Nirvana so quickly he missed increased activity in lobby poll

>>531078716
Man I beat absolute the week it came out with the proximity thing where you had to stay close to one another to even get your armor to regenerate. I still wish they had that. It forced players to coordinate.

>>531080821
>maybe with the exception of Carbine and Stalker
honestly stalker still doesn't feel good aside from the one job of fucking up zoanthropes
i understand with a purple I'm not getting the full experience but i doubt the extra +2 damage is going to make a world's difference between taking nearly a full magazine of headshots just to kill one warrior

>>531082094
>squad cohesion
It was an interesting modifier for sure. I wish this was a toggle option if only to make things different from time to time.
>>531080821
If half a magazine on a purple bolter mag could wipe a single Majoris, I'd be fine with that. Make it a baseline and try to scale everything above and below that accordingly. It's a huge simplification of the system but if something works it's not stupid.

>spawns
>shoots 100 spores from 200km away
>skitters at mach 5 through you and your entire team
>does not give a fuck about any weapon damage except for the highest dps ones
>spores appear and detonate precisely at the right time to combo you down with the aid of other enemies
>skitters away at light speed just in time for the tyranid warrior to hit you before you leave the stagger animation
>spore detonates immediately after, killing you
>refuses to elaborate
>skitters away at a cruising speed of mach 5
Best enemy

>>531084123
Fuck forgot image, it skittered away to fucking venezuela and i had to go recover it

>>531084345
I love it when they skitter away, but they are really slow so you can run up to them and still knock you back.

Balancing guns and melee is a delicate act. Make bolters good and you'll have to unlock the cap on the number of warriors allowed to move in on you, which then makes melee more dangerous.

let bolters switch out between munitions with a reload, one good for AoE, one for armor pen and weak spots, and then some meme option like a DoT

SM3 should feature pic related and Tau

Fuck melee

>>531086474
If they were smart, they'd follow through with the Necron stuff that was in the second half of the campaign

>>531085971
>regular bolts
>kraken rounds
>hellfire rounds
>inferno rounds
>something like seeker or witchseeker bolts

>>531087419
>If they were smart,
Anon...

>>531087803
Let me enjoy my copium in peace

>>531087419
Where's that chart with units for different factions made back in december?

I only get to play seige mode once or twice a week, because of the fucking ENORMOUS time investment it demands, and for two weeks in a row now I've been disconnected at around wave 20 after carrying morons are < level 10.

Is this normal or am I just getting extremely unlucky?

>>531088067
It seems fairly unstable, siege DCs me often too, best is to play with someone who is on your steam friend list so you can join/rejoin them at any point.

>>531080821
the main problem with weapon balance is the heavy plasma and even tact's plasma. they need to be reworked. being able to put 8 warriors that are chilling together into execute with one shot is now the gold standard. they are balancing the enemies around this power. so now every weapon is trash in comparison. they keep throwing more and more enemies but it doesnt matter since the plasma is aoe, meanwhile bolters and weapons you actually have to aim for the head get weaker and weaker. They should cap plasma damage to spread, so if you charge shot one warrior it deals the full 300 damage, but if you charge shot three warriors its 100 damage each

>>531087753
Bolters already doing fuckall damage per shot but penetrating multiple targets makes them perform like kraken bolts.
Regular bolts are supposed to explode in the first target they hit and do a lot of damage.

I think one of the dumbest customization situations is the absolute state of weapons. Why don't they just use the same paint system as marines?

>>531084345

>>531089021
What bolters need to do
>Stagger
On demand stagger is half the reason plasma is so good
>Have same value head and body shot damage
Because of the exploding thing
>Recoil control
Because spacemarines should be able to handle the recoil since they're huge and using power armor

>>531076686
one race, human race

>>531080821
>mfw replaying DoW2 on primarch and I see this nigga posted itt

>>531085971
Kinda weird that the variants for bolters aren't just different ammo types, like penetrators, air burst, or hellfire(acid DoT).

>>531093364
>tfw you must be new here because he's a regular avatarfag

>>531093590
I dont read every single thread, autist

>>531084345
Why do these fellas achieve subsonic speeds, again? Aren't they siege units?

>>531093875
>newfags don't read every post in the general since they last logged off
zoomers are irredeemable, I will go on as usual

>>531082094
>inferno, forking road where the geneseed may spawn
>carnifex
>kill carnifex fast because (oldGL)tactical, heavy, bulwark
>1min execute animation
>chink 1 & 2 thin boy this was easy, absolute aint nothing
>chink 1 goes up
>chink 2 goes down
>they both die alone
>i finnish execute animation
>LAST MAN STANDING
>no way to generate armor
truly a great system

>>531094348
>autistic balding millenial
damn must suck being you, cancerous retard

>>531094459
when you take a shower in a few years and suddenly find a suspicious amount of hair in your hand after shampooing, remember this post

>>531094685
I wont. My dad is 70 years old and still has a full head of hair. So did both of my grandfathers when they died at 80/90. Post your achievements btw, malding cancerous millenial faggot

>me and two randoms spending 3 minutes trying to use grenades and the heavies plasma gun to hit the random gaunt stuck out of bounds
Harder than fighting the triple carnifex

Yes yes, brother against brother, cousin against cousin. The chaos gods truly reward us for our loyalty to causing strife

>>531094801
the microplastics will humble you

>>531094801
>some different game
>44%
? you seem upset there bucko

>>531095323
>still seething
>still no achievements
>>531095332
only trannies 100% games, tranny detected

>>531095417
shut the fuck up, i'm already done talking to you, it's another people making fun of you

>>531095527
>still mad
>still responding
>still bald
LOL youre almost 40 and still getting your jim jams this rustled by anonymous zoomerGODS lmao

>>531080821
>God forbid CSM gear in PvE (though I don't care much about that desu), but it's A-OK to slap Salamanders paint on Sniper and call it a day.
What's the first class that comes to your mind when you think Salamanders? It's a logical question. To this day it baffles me why these retards completely disregarded heavy when they added that champion skin.

>>531095664
he is correct though, you are getting singled out by multiple people because you are indeed a colossal faggot

>>531082718
>If half a magazine on a purple bolter mag could wipe a single Majoris
headshots or bodyshots? because part of the problem is that it feels like they balanced around hitting 100% headshots with bolt weapons and then made fucked enemies or hitboxes that are not possible to do that with

>>531095837
honestly tactical with a flamer
or heavy with a heavy flamer

>>531095837
Heavy already has a champion skin via the 100 dollar version of the game. Of course, it's Ultramarines so you don't really see people use it

>>531095895
>samefag
lmao stay bald

>>531096465
If bald is your only insult, it betrays that you yourself are getting well into Norwood 3

>>531092485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5zi3NjuLxs

>>531095837
my boy straban is way too autistic to be a salamander except as a joke
Valius or Quartus are the first choices in terms of personality and none of them really have fire guns

>>531096891
>cope
>seethe
ok baldo

>>531097232
Valius can rock a meltagun, quartus can now use the thunder hammer which is also a salamander weapon. That said I don’t think personality is really a factor given how Quartus is nothing like a dark angel

>everyone flexing their muscles
>noone posts a code

>>531101382
i spent 14 hours doing siege mode, maybe later

>MUH CHEEVOS
>posts dow2 cheeves as if they matter in this general
>doesnt post sm1 let the heavens bleed

>>531101382
playing with 4chan is for retards, I avoid you scum on principle

>>531103382
jesus how shitty you must be to get blacklisted by anons

>>531103993
>random schizo projection

>>531104080
>waits for someone to reply just to instantly say something
you must be a fun person

>>531104213
youre the autistic retard assuming things randomly, I bet you suck dicks in real life and are a transexual mexican. Huh how does that feel, you brown tranny

>>531104334
>wuh uhh buh guhhh wahh wahh
lmao at you crying in a game general

>>531104334
When's your transition?

>>531104461
this is why I avoid you subhumans whenever I can and it just serves as further proof you are all immature gay racist retards

>>531104645
anything else you want to say?

>>531103382
>being this mad
lol
lmao

>>531104753
>>531104792
I make over 100k euro a year and my 18yo gf is lying on the bed right next to my PC watching anime. I avoid 4chan retards whenever I can. Got it, you inferior mongrel?

>>531104898
>Euro mad
hello pajeet

>>531104972
>amerimutt
lmao hows your foreskin, Jamal? Oh right, it was cut off at birth. Good goy

>no reply
LMAO he must really must his millions of nerve endings, probably went to shart his pants in the mart to get more lube so he can jerk off to tranny porn tonight. What a pathetic subhuman existence

>>531095910
>headshots or bodyshots?
I'd say bodyshots. Because as you pointed out they centered dealing damage around headshots so it'd be turning the game on its head. But unless they add some effect stats (i.e. explosion on hit with extra damage) I don't see how bolter weapons can get any meaningful uplift, beyond obvious massive baseline buff.
>>531089007
That's what I was going for. Someone either purposely picked plasma guns to build the gameplay around or this was by chance, but as it stands now it's not very viable to not use them in favor of let's say HBR because you don't want to gimp yourself with the latter.
Devs, not even QA team, really need to start running different builds to see for themselves to what extent these issues reach.

Space Marine?

is the game actually dead? theres no one playing absolute ops

>>531105737
It's by chance. Plasma fires slow because it has to charge, but the game treats everything that has to charge like a heavy attack and heavy attacks cause stagger.
Plasma is good by accident because the devs are lazy.

>>531105765
too.

Even for as little as double damage I would give up all enemy penetration on my bolters.

>>531105737
Get rid of penetration and add mini explosions when the bullet hits target. It can have some 1-3 meter AoE. The guns need to deal at least 4 times the damage they are doing now, plasma-based ones though. Or lower enemies health. But we all know boys and girls at Saber would hate for players to have fun playing their game.

>>531107584
it feels like its in a good place when you have 15% ranged damage team buff plus the low hp head shot buff.

>>531108186
If I need to get 100% headshots to kill things in a timely manner it will never feel good.
If it takes more than two shots at most to the body of a gaunt it will never feel good.

>>531108186
i think adding stagger is a good idea. heavy bolter feels pretty good vs 1 majors, but when you have a pack of 4 standing around and you know you could have killed all of them lobbing one blue ball, it feels bad. if enemies you hit at least could not hit you back since they are being pumped full of explosive rounds then it would give some utility. especially to weapons like the auto bolt rifle, being able to apply stagger and sacrificing damage precision would make it an interesting option

>>531104898
>I DRIVE A BENTLEY AND MY BARELY LEGAL GF IS SUCKING MY 25 EUROMETER COCK AND I'M 40 BUT NOT BALD AT ALL AND AND
lol okay bud lmao

>>531108658
Of all the bolters that should have a damage through block perk heavy bolter should really be one of them.

>>531108186
Headshots are the limiting factor here. I mean if the gun is required to hit a specific box to do its job then it's going to suffer when you stack a couple of majoris together. Maybe stagger with some AoE on hit.

>>531078364
I actually thought I’d finish my Absolutes and then drop back down to Ruthless or something, but then everything felt boring after that so I just play only Absolutes now
Feels good

im off the grenade vending machine perk. 15% ranged damage is too good

>>531114386
MELTA

BOMB

>>531114627
i dont even want to play with melta bomb cheesers

>>531114386
Does the 15% reach any plasma rifle charged shot breakpoints?

>>531108186
Keep in mind those ranged majoris take 50% more ranged damage

>>531082094
no it wasnt, was the worst fucking thing ever when you tried to execute for armor but get 0 cause of your retarded team mates dying too far away

>>531116505
Fuck you I liked it you filthy casual.

im torn on heavy bolter heavy. i really want to use the damage version since the +12% dmg is awesome. but heavy bolter is really the only weapons where you have to lay into the left click and the accuracy penalty is so bad. but with the play style yo udo lay off to let the weapon cool anyways

and how about his team perk. 25% ranged damage resist is a strong stat boost. but bond of brother hood feels like its almost as strong has banner heal although there are some runs where no one goes down and its a waste. more ammo is really good too, even a lowly assault would appreciate more ammo on his plasma pistol

>>531118160
accuracy variant and damage resist is what i always go

>>531117620
fuck you fucker

>>531118160
Does the ammo one still not work with pistols only classes?

>Still had frags, one of them bounced badly
>Know I'm going to get clipped by it
>Watch in slow motion as my teammate drops a melta between me and the grenade
>Get staggered by the grenade long enough for the melta to kill me
I had the gene seed, too.

>>531087954
This the one you might be talking about. So I guess here you are, Brother.

>>531119856
>necron warrior on the same tier as hormagaunts and gretchin
just feels wrong man

>>531120170
It's an image made by someone who has absolutely no idea how awful the 40k galaxy is. They just have this game and wikis as their only frame of reference and think "oh, a gauss warrior is basic infantry for the necrons, so they must be equivalent to gaunts."

>>531120170
Nta, but canoptek swarms or scarabs would work to some extent as minoris. That's why Necrons definitely won't make it into SM3. I don't think there's a reasonable way out with that faction.

>>531120925
>>531121284
Just make them a faction with only Majoris units and no minoris
Minoris enemies are not in any way a part of the core gameplay and removing them would change basically nothing

>>531120170
>>531120925
what could you pick as something to fight against if necrons were in the next game? honest question.
t. Necron lorelet

>>531121636
Majoris only
Basic Necron warriors as melee/ranged Majoris
Flayed ones or Wraiths as melee Majoris
Immortals as ranged Majoris
Pariahs, Tomb Spider, Destroyers as Extremis
Tomb Sentinel or Triarch Stalker as Terminus

>>531122260
Also I forgot to add:
Fuck NuCrons

>>531121636
You pretty much don't because the entire point of necrons is that their most basic infantry unit can still shoot the shit out of enemy tanks and heavy infantry. The only small unit they have are ripper swarm tier and then there's nothing until warriors. All of their 'middling' stuff can still shut down tactical squads like they're nothing.
They have no unit below majoris because they're not a fodder faction like tomb kings were, they're a faction of t-1000s
The classification system really only works for nids (who made it), chaos, orks, and mixed imperials, nobody else is about having such defined tiers of increasing power and rarity of
>fodder->mainline->elites->leaders and vehicles
because nobody else features such numbers

>>531121636
The necrons as a faction don't work within this game's minoris/majoris enemy framework. Their basic infantry is behaviorally on par with rubrics, but more durable and they carry weapons that are much more powerful; they are hellfuck nightmares to fight and the only things stopping them from wiping out the rest of the galaxy are a combination of civil conflict and infighting, most of them still being asleep, and a desire to keep the fleshies around because they want to bodyjack them and become organic again.

>>531122971
>>531123065
Having them be Majoris+ only still works because this game isn’t very respectful of the lore and powerscaling in the first place
A basic Tyranid Warrior is about a 1-1 match for a line Space Marine, which we are, yet we kill a hundred or so of them per mission, not to mention stuff like Lictors, which are supposed to be able to pick off a squad of Marines one by one, yet I put them in the dumpster in a single block adrenaline surge combo
I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to fight Crons

>>531119856
>T'au
>Avatar of Khaine as Boss
I mean come on...

>>531119856
>Eldar
>Avatar of Khaine as Boss
I mean come on...

>>531124349
No shit the named protagonists in non-canon difficulties seem like gods, that still doesn't make it entertaining to fight a faction that's all hitscan or extra tanky versions of rubricae at a bare minimum. Chaos is already shitty to fight because the game is designed around 70%+ of your enemies being melee and synaptic feedback incentivizing taking on the big dudes first by killing the swarm around them much quicker, we don't need Chaos 2 eletric boogaloo this time with even more invulnerability

>>531124697
He is jobber supreme

Never underestimate the power level of a named space marine.

>>531124872
Just make Necrons warriors prefer melee attacks with their glaives and only fire when approaching to melee, boom they’re a more melee-heavy faction like Nids
You don’t need a synaptic shock mechanic if there’s no minoris on the field
Chaos’ biggest problem is that their main Majoris unit is primarily a ranged combatant, hopefully adding Spawn will go a way’s towards fix that

lethal is where its at. hard siege is gay and so are absolute ops

>>531120925
Have you considered that they can be necron minoris(because they'd make up most of the enemy groups) and still be as strong as other factions majoris?

>>531128314
lethal feels very good without being horse shit

>>531124697
We literally kill a hierophant.
More like the avatar of jobbing anyway, he isn't even close to being the most extreme enemy on that chart.
>>531120925
>They just have this game and wikis as their only frame of reference
Well we could go by tabletop and see necron warriors have one wound, worse toughness and an equal armor save. Translate that directly to this game and you'd get an enemy that at best has one third the health of a tyranid warrior.
They just have a chance to get back up when you kill them.

>>531128314
How do you play lethal without falling asleep
>1 Extremis spawns at a time
Oh wow oh my gooooo… I’m gonna… I’m gonna… gonna take a nap, w-wake me when it’s dead…

>>531131973
use bolter weapons

>>531131973
>>1 Extremis
i get 3 extremis at a time on lethal, sounds like your problem

>>531131973
absolute doesn't even always spawn 3. it's more often 1 or 2.

>>531118160
Does the sniper team accuracy bonuses help it enough?

>>531124349
A Warrior can be a match in physical attributes but its silly to say they are a proper equal, because then marines just wouldn't be able to do anything to help in a Nid invasion. There has to be that 1v100 advantage in skill (and guns) or else they cannot make a difference. Campaign and ops are the best of the 2nd while the generic marines are the ones getting picked off by lictors off screen.

>>531138819
Anon, there's a reason the tyranids are pushing further and further into the galaxy and are now directly threatening Terra both in the form of hive fleets being active in the Segmentum Solar and a genestealer cult being active inside the imperial palace.
Lorewise, the nids are raping everyone sideways and at Baal, something like 60 chapters were eradicated outright.

>>531138819
They can't stop a nid invasion without massive loss
the entirety of sm2 is just a splinter fleet and they have to completely abandon kadaku inside of 4 days even after pulling off impossibly heroic feats

>>531140086
The reason is numbers.

>>531140832
I didn't say stop, I said make a difference. The chapter system heavily kneecaps their deployable numbers so for the sake of the universe making any sense each marine has to be more effective than a warrior or there is no point in even deploying them over writing everything off as a loss and going straight to bombardment.

>>531144743
>each marine has to be more effective than a warrior or there is no point in even deploying them over writing everything off as a loss
No, they just have to be deployed as a an airborne unit designed to specifically snipe key synapse nodes in near suicide runs until they run out of marines or useful bombs and then they crash a battle barge into something.
Its fine for a splinter fleet when they're still receiving guard support but genuinely for a full hive fleet there isn't an actual point to deploying shit instead of just sniping hive ships unless they can pull a titus with that defense cannon

>>531144743
The reason isn't just numbers. Nid claws go through terminator armor like hot knives through butter and their ranged weaponry doesn't fire plasma or acid or anything like that, it fires worms that burrow into their victims and beeline it to the spinal cord which they then use as a highway straight to the brain. Space marine physiology does not help against this.
Space marines are not the galaxy's ultimate warriors, they're mankind's attempt to reach the bare minimum performance specs needed to run the game called galactic war. Warriors are equal to space marines if you're looking at specs on paper, but the warrior has the advantage of being able to get battle data from an external perspective in real time via the eyes of any other tyranid in the area plus greater resilience in the face of physical trauma.

>>531146483
Do tyranids have the ability to grow stronger like named Marines do? Whether from experience or gear.

>>531146483
Only some nid claws go through terminator armor and those tend to get gunned down by assault cannons.

10 bullets a second > 1 bottom-tussled beetle

>>531140086
>something like 60 chapters were eradicated outright.
Okay, so how many Tyranid warriors were participating in the fight versus 60k marines?

>>531146887
Ol one eye comes to mind

>>531146887
Extremis and up do like Old One Eye or Deathleaper or Doom of Malan'tai. Hive mind will even find these specialized mutations and replicate them every so often despite having the typical army mentality of hating elite, specialized units.

>>531146887
Most tyranids do not have an independent mind, so they cannot gain experience individually. The local extension of the hive mind can gain experience, meaning the tyranids under its control will fight according to its direction and learnings, more like the limbs of a person than individual people.
There are rare tyranid creatures that are given unusually high degrees of potential independence and intelligence that can allow them to attain something akin to experience until the end of an invasion. Namely prime warriors and hive tyrants.
The swarmlord is about as close as you can get to a true individual in the tyranid army. It is a consciousness attached to an unusually strong hive tyrant, he learns and approaches enemies differently based on his past experiences with them. Instead of being completely consumed by the hive at the end of an invasion, it is only his body that is disintegrated, his mind being transferred to a newly formed swarmlord body wherever the hive mind deems his presence necessary in the galaxy.
Aside from that, non-synapse creatures cut off from the will of the hive mind will revert to a primitive animalistic intelligence, obsessed with self perservation against all, even other tyranids.

>>531148848
>meanwhile in game: killing a lictor results in a synaptic shock
>for fucking spore mines

>>531149436
love it when theyre on top of you and you lose half your hp

>>531149870
Holy shit how can the Tyranids combat moves like that

>>531149436
10th ed gives Lictors synapse instead of pheromone trail
Which, i mean, half makes sense since their primary objective is recon and intelligence, devouring brains so they can relate troop positions and mission plans instead of fucking make them on their own but is also dumb since they're completely solitary hunters.

this game is so cool despite its flaws

>>531149870
>and people complained about DoW3 animations being unrealistic

>>531151586
Glad you learned how to dodge zoanthrope beams today
Proud of you bb

Every once in a while I start breaking into habits I picked up while playing Deathwing, like moving in formation so I can only just barely poke my gun around the right side of the person ahead of me.
I haven't played Deathwing in 2 years.

>>531121636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9V0bOB8sXQ
this is how necron fights works, its not pleasant, all necron weapon dissemble molecules

>>531155296
Yeah and if a devourer cannon from a warrior direct impacts a space marine it’s supposed to burrow through their armor into their brain
Instead you just lose some armor or health

>>531156576
one is a projectile weapon on an uncommon enemy the other is a hitscan beam on the most common enemy combatant you'd see out of them

>>531156576
devourers are shit against armor, ap 0, if you want to kill space marines, you need venom cannons or deathspitters

lads... come back to /coopg/... we belong together...

>>531147412
>he thinks the nids give a single fuck about their own casualty numbers
lol
lmao

>>531157092
Are you saying that if you were playing Space Marine 3 and saw a gauss beam impact your dude and not instantly die you’d be upset

>>531158362
it should do as much damage as a venom cannon, though the venom cannon is lacking currently compared to what it should be

>>531158362
i'm saying playing a level that's just hundreds of necron warriors to fill out their ranks would be stupidly unfun
either i'm getting plinked to death from every angle turning it into a poorly designed cover shooter or i'm spamming dodgerolls every single second because its getting treated like a venom cannon/long las and both are terrible fucking options

>>531158192
So chaos gods ever fuck with the leviathan? It's one giant juicy mind and they love those right? Or do nids have massive psychic resistance?

>>531159042
Nids actively cancel out the warp where they're at. It drives psykers more insane by plaguing them with terrible visions of a great devouring maw. Chaos especially gets fucked because they don't properly fuel at least 2 of the 4, up to all 4 depending on interpretation.

>>531147412
let me put it this way, leviathan was winning, until deus ex warp fuckery, abaddon had tore a hole in realty from the the eye of terror all to the maelstrom, and introduced a new challenger to the war daemons, which upset the balanced and caused the tyranids to lose
>>531159042
yes and no, the shadow in the warp is extremely powerful in blocking out daemons, tyranids and daemons dont really interact with each because theres nothing to gain from doing so

>>531121284
Oh, i have an idea. Add multiple variants of those canoptek scarabs, make them huge and make them skitter around like the biovores do. For good measure strap a cannon to their back that shoots gauss mines or some shit

>>531158192
You missed the point in a truly spectacular fashion.

60 chapters died at Baal. I checked
>lexicanum
for a quick number confirmation and it says that 29,000 marines participated in the battle, as it is the norm for most chapters to be under strength. These are the initial defenders not counting the Indomitus Crusade.

Given the above information, the implication is that a full invasion fleet deployed only around 29,000 Tyranid warriors in total, or less given that there are more dangerous bioforms in the mix. If Tyranid Warriors are to be consider an exact equal of an Astartes, how can they be so incompetent as to be unable to even finish off every last Blud Angle and successor before they could escape? If Warriors were the exact equal of a Marine and they could throw 100s of thousands of them at a problem, how did Baal keep standing for so long? The mortal Imperial defenders can be discounted from the equation because the Nids have fodder troops too, more than an equivalent number.

>>531160647
And have it sometimes shoot yellow gauss mines that explode near you and take like half your health with some kind of acid cloud that has a hitbox that doesn’t match the visuals and you can’t really see

>>531147412
Idk about that but I remember from the book one wave consisted of several hundred carnifexes, you do the math

>>531160993
no need to be salty anon. you do know that the spores don't target you if you melee the vore, do you

>>531161391
>defending the biovore
Some typa shit I never thought I’d fuckin see on this general

>>531161542
do you, anon?
DO YOU MELEE THE VORE
I'M ASKING IF YOU CAN DODGE ONE ATTACK AND PARRY THE SECOND ONE

>>531161391
>don't target you if you melee the vore
bullfuckingshit they don't

>>531161863
>*if the biovore is engaged in melee with you
okay, how about that mr akshually

>>531162068
Even then i don't believe it but that barely matters because half the time it'll just decide to skitter a fucking mile in 8 seconds so you're now just surrounded by spore mines and god only knows what else

>>531160890
Fluff marines are stronger than warriors.

>>531162526
Yes that's the point. Game Marines are closer to fluff, which is what they are supposed to be. The numbers and statistics of war just wouldn't make sense otherwise. A solid thunder hammer hit should one shot every majoris that isn't actively blocking, a straight bolt shot through an eye would result in death, but we can't have any of that because Saber would need to send aggressive unlocked swarms of dozens of warriors to pose a threat and the game would break down not unlike Darktide's high level Havocs. Maybe literally since they can't even get something as simple as cosmetics right so what would a few dozen majoris do stability?

>>531164414
>Maybe literally since they can't even get something as simple as cosmetics right so what would a few dozen majoris do stability?
but we're already getting a few dozen majoris in the horde mode? and yeah, they absolutely break the game around the wave 20, but still, saber showed it's technically possible, even on, allah forgive me for uttering the word, consoles

>>531164703
Unlocked from the token / slot system and dozens per player is what I meant. Realistically to some extent there would still be attacking slots if for no other reason than to stop them from all clipping through each other in a silly fashion.

>>531164703
The game breaks so hard around wave 40 that the enemies lose all animations and move around T-posing

>>531168135
for some reason raveners do that much earlier

dead general

>>531078716
lethal helmet joke aside, it would have actually been pretty cool if saber had given out some cosmetic item for beating the "new" absolute. it's not like they are not sitting on a bunch of hats in case they need to bump engagement numbers via pros.

>>531178282
>lethal helmet joke aside
whats the joke

>>531178282
>beat normal 5
deathwatch arms (the other side) and hands
>beat normal 10
deathwatch powerpack for each class
>beat normal 15
deathwatch legs (both sides)
>beat normal 20
deathwatch helmet (including the hooded version)
>beat normal 25
deathwatch chest
>beat hard 5
deathwatch pauldron, chapter symbol side
>beat hard 10
mk2 armour
>beat hard 15
mk6 helmet with laurels
>beat hard 20
mk3 armour
>beat hard 25
mk10 helmet with laurels
>beat new absolute once
mk5 armour
>beat 3 different new absolute maps once
mk4 armour
>beat 5 different new absolute maps once
mk6 armour
>beat all new absolute maps once
mk7 armour
>win 3 pvp matches
mk1 armour
>win a pvp match (up to 18 times, will get a different one for each victory)
unlock special pre-heresy pauldrons for each of the 18 legions

>>531178919
the joke was when the lethal was first introduced it was much more difficult; to the point many people were literally unable to complete all missions and get the helmet. saber then made lethal significantly easier in subsequent patches, which made mouthbreathers on reddit kvetch people who beat the "new" lethal don't deserve the helmet. >>531078716 is jokingly pointing out we're now in a reverse situation and people who beat absolute earlier don't really deserve the tyranid pauldron

>>531179478
See this Saber, it ain't that hard. We still don't have the entire DW armor so kudos for including it Brother.
But realistically, they won't let us roll in anything pre-heresy. GW would lose their marbles if that were to happen, plus I doubt it would slip past their vetting committee.

>>531179901
As for that pre-heresy part, I forgot to add I know we got studded pads and that god-awful helmet, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for anything beyond these.

>>531179901
gays workshop approved mk10 bonded studded helmet
i know that primaris muhreens are as large as thunder warriors but exceptions and slight retcons can be made in the name of customization

>>531179901
I want all of the Mark 7's and 6's.

>>531149870
impressive

I hope the health system in SM3 will be less desperate. Scrounging around for a crumb of medicae feels lame.

>/sm2g/: oh man, health system in SM2 is soo desperate
>also /sm2g/: NOO I WILL NOT PLAY ONE OF TWO HEALER BUILDS

>>531186345
>Scrounging around for a crumb of medicae feels lame.
I play vanguard and literally never used a medkit on absolute.

>>531186345
Hopefully everything will be different in SM3 starting from the dogshit combat system based on parry fishing against sponge enemies

now Ill just wait for some retard to defend it and mention block while hes at it

>>531186345
>ever needing healing
lmao

>>531189824
does being good enough to never take damage make the health system good?

>>531188418
Let's hear your million dollar idea, how should the gameplay work?

>>531189872
>he cant regen all his health instantly after getting hit
lol, lmao even

>>531190170
that's really beside the point

>>531189872
Yes.

>>531188418
The system definitely has issues scaling in difficulty
Ultimately most of the difficulty is just reacting to enemy moves by pressing one of two buttons, plus a bit of basic positioning and amplified by applying different kinds of pressure on top of that. The only ways to make the baseline more difficult is to either introduce more and more enemy moves to memorize (only remains difficult for a limited time, so not a great return on effort) or increasing the reaction difficulty (but reaction time is so hard to improve that it becomes meta to find a way of bypassing the challenge with cheese instead).
It'd need more ways for the player to affect the fight to have ways of actually growing. I imagine how much more interesting the system would feel if the player was always in control of character movement, even during other animations. Moving while gunstriking, changing the directions you move during melee attacks, and getting to roll whichever way you'd like when knocked around. That would actually open up new gameplay options in some way.
Unfortunately that'd also require a bit more competence from the dev team to implement. Tragic.
That said block DOES make it a little bit more interesting at least

>>531189872
no, dont reply to retards

>>531188418
Agreed, I just hate how darktide of all games actually makes me feel strong and cool like a space marine, even when you got big mixed hordes and lot of elites you can always outplay and always be on the offensive unless it's something like havoc 40

fighting in sm2 feels miserable for the most part, I just (very rarely) play to look at my and other people dressed up marines at this point

also bolter in dt feels and sound like an actual bolter unlike sm2 peashooters

Theoretical: Reduce the amount of ammo for all weapons but increase their damage in proportion. Most weapons have a smaller mag size but a few might not need adjustment, total ammo is still reduced in general. Default bolt pistol has a tiny magazine, 12 rounds are reduced down to 6, but now it deals double the damage. Fire rate is unchanged.

>>531193834
If you halven the mag size, I'll need you to triple the damage

>>531194159
It might be an idea to consider but increase that damage buff from triple to quintuple.

>>531192756
You are fighting high power threats, space marines are powerful not because they are the most physically powerful, an ogryn can easily outmuscle a space marine, they are powerful because on top of enhanced strength they have superhuman reflexes, speed, concentration, extreme battle tactics and strategy training and the skills to apply it, this has been well translated into the game, you play well, you basically unbeatable, you play like shit and you will die like a retard.

>>531194512
that's too close to lore accurate, cant have that

>>531194851
space marines losing arm wrestling or hammer curls competitions to an ogryn doesnt really matter at all with anything discussed, they are supposed to be war machines capable of withstanding tremendous amounts of punishment and deal it back in kind, you dont get that feel at all in this game.

>>531195341
the point is somewhat mute when you start to mention that you are fighting other space marines /space bugs that are the nigh perfect lifeform.
nid warriors are hq/elite units, on the tabletop they are stronger then basic marines

>>531195341
The punishment they can withstand is proportional to their skill, plenty of marines died to a single hormagaunt in lore.

>>531194851
Going by the stats a bolter should be at least as dangerous to a warrior as his devourer is to you.
Either both should do no damage or warriors should also die to like a half mag to the body.

>>531197932
thats more of a gameplay thing, they were nerfed after 7e where they had ap5, so anyone with 5+ would not get a save

Block this, parry that.
I just want an assault shotgun to shove down some dumb hivebeasts throat and turn them into salsa. This is a game where our protagonist starts out as Deathwatch and we don't even get the Deathwatch shotguns.

>>531206830
shotgun for the scout would be awesome

>>531197932
>muh stats
Tabletop comparisons where numbers are in the low single digits can not be taken at face value.

>>531206830
>Deathwatch responding to a 'minor' Tyranid incursion with a virus bomb
>only send one team instead of two
>everyone carrying bolters, one guy doesn't and only carries a power axe (that won't be in the game until 1.5 years in)
>no one carrying a heavy bolter or an adjacent heavy support weapon
>no one with a jump pack
>no one carrying flame/melta weapons, not even a regular pyreblaster or melta rifle
>no one carrying plasma weapons
>Titus isn't even rocking a combibolter, even an underslung grenade launcher
Titus = bolter with grenade launcher, bolt pistol, chainsword
Ulfar = bolt carbine, bolt pistol, power axe
Dark Angels guy = power sword, storm shield, plasma pistol
Black Templars guy = 2H power sword, heavy bolt pistol
Kelstros = melta rifle, inferno pistol, combat knife

Then for team 2 throw in an Imperial Fists with a heavy bolter, a Raven Guard with a las fusil, a White Scar with a jump pack and dual lightning fists, a Salamanders with a pyreblaster and and an Iron Hands with a plasma incinerator and extra bolter servo arm

>>531209420
autism, cringe

>>531209420
autism, based

>>531209420
but they were never expected to succeed. it was a suicide mission.

>>531197641
the punishment they can withstand is innate, they are all equipped with ceramite, 300 bullshit organs that let them clot blood in seconds and knit bones in hours, lighting reflexes and endless training

then according to the story a writer needs to narrate, they can die to 1 guardsmen or 1000 of them. but in a game where you're supposed to be the mary sue, Id say being stronger than an unnamed intercessor on the tabletop is kind of a give

>>531208701
Devourers great armor piercing weapons by any description, they should not be killing you in a couple bursts.

>>531212724
are not great armor piercing weapons*

>>531211351
>never expected to succeed
>send 3 marines anyway
was Leandros involved in the decision making of this mission by any chance?

lethal or absolute?

>>531227313
depends on whether or not i have a mood for carrying people.

holy sigmar
one
two
three
four
...
head pop

and it has infinite ammo

>>531228687
Las fusil does it in 1 and has infinite ammo as well.

>>531229593
>fusil has infinite ammo
lmao as if

>>531229593
charging up a las shot takes about 3 stalker shots. im also playing tact

>>531227313
Lethal if you want to chill
Absolute if you want to dial in a bit but have more fun
But there’s a good chance you’ll find more shitters in lethal so you’ll have to lock in anyway

>>531230237
Every sniper primary has infinite ammo with one (1) (single) (いち) prestige perk

>>531238028
the amount you get back on las fusil is small and minoris are not present for long vs nids since they just collapse. las fusil is always at danger of running dry vs bosses.

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>>531239738
You don't use the fusil for bosses. You're a grown man. Pull out your block knife.

what does heavy do vs 6 melee warriors? is plasma pistol mandatory?

>>531247873
parry and gunstrike
or the perk with stagger resist and just do your best trying to facetank them with a heavy bolter

>>531243046
Based.
Nice work Brother.
Appreciate it.

>>531247873
step on them between parries/dodges and gunstrikes

>>531247873
Parry and gunstrike, then charge a plasma cannot shot and dump it at their feet and put them all into execute
Or if you have heavy bolter with the extra contested HP regen perk just brace and keep firing, they won’t be able to do enough damage to kill you and you’ll just instantly regen all your lost HP

>>531248024
>>531248912
>>531250547
you will not be able to parry/gunstrike or do any melee attacks. even if you have the stagger immunity perk there are attacks that dont work like the blue leap attack. looks like you just have to plasma and rollslop

>>530960360
To be fair that's what every game does with modular customization you parent it to the bone and set a true false option to the object to choose to render it or not. The bad pratice in terms of development choice is to have all these objects set to true and have them render while being place out of sight under the map and duplicating as needed to meet the players options. This is also why its probably difficult to implement customizable npc marines because they probably operate off a instance mesh which makes render time better but can have uniuqe colors this probably how overhaul mods work to turn the battle barge into all imperial fist or all whatever specific chapter as the NPC marines are literally the same model being instanced all over the map.

>>531250780
>you will not be able to parry/gunstrike
Against… against six melee warriors? That have a token system where only 2-3 can attack you at a single time?
Anon, do you actually play the game?

>>531250780
Is someone grabbing your hand and holding it to physically prevent you from parrying lmao

>>531251279
when you parry one warrior and go for a gunstrike or stomp, another warrior will leap on you. not to mention all the ranged fire will widdle you down. the game is designed around roll slopping away, you cant fight anything with the heavy, you would need a block weapon

>>531247873
Shoot and stomp
Stomp
Shoot
Stomp
Stomp
Smash
Shoot
Stomp

>>531211351
Astartes double down on suicide missions to ensure their success if anything. They would 100% throw full strength squad at least instead of 3 jobbers and a titus, if not a whole platoon. If its not crashing a battle barge into something then the sacrifice is not yet too great

>>531252368
Actually balanced weapons have a really big stagger box (4.5) meters so if you stagger one they should all be staggered.

>>531252368
>how do I fight 6 warriors
“Easy you just parry and gunstrike”
>but I can’t parry and gunstrike
“sure you can you just press the parry button and do the gunstrike”
>but I can’t do it every time I try I get knocked out of it
“Okay well just make sure you’re positioned well and don’t take unsafe gunstrikes”
>but that’s impossible I get hit every time every gunstrike is unsafe

You have learned helplessness, and even if you’re baiting about all this, I want you to know what I fucking hate you

>>531257252
post your webm

>>531252368
Sounds like you're really bad at positioning. Pull back behind your teammates and let them take the brunt of the melee while you shoot into them.

>>531257528
No. You are right, no one has even beaten a hard difficulty in this game without using the plasma cannon and rolling around. You will continue to play like this, you will fail and die, and will decide this game sucks and then you will uninstall it, leave here, and never return. Begone with you.

>>531258737
Heavy bolter is easy as fuck. It's arguably the best weapon for it IMO. I use the one with the highest venting speed so you just unload into everything for like 30 non-stop seconds.

>>531258737
>You are right, no one has even beaten a hard difficulty in this game without using the plasma cannon and rolling around.
so true. if you showed game footage of hard seige mode, i guarantee 98% of players would haven ever have bought this game. the melta bomb cheese is so awful.

>>531259442
>siege
Dead game mode that no one plays anymore

>>531259823
you brought it up

>>531259823
Hard is dead, looks like everyone got their gay helmets already
Normal is where it's at

>>531260006
When he said “hard difficulty” he probably just meant lethal and absolute
No one really bothers considering a game mode where the enemies break down and start T-posing in any serious discussion

I love how hard assault filters redditors. I love knowing that I am better at this game than they are because I can play the assault class well. I love confirming that my IQ is exceptionally higher than the average redditor by playing the assault class well in space marine 2.

>>531261113
I think the argument is that you could easily take all the skill you have and do much better and have more impact on another class

>>531261113
ive seen assaults "play well" and it looks so miserable. just gooning a majoris every 60 seconds with groundpound hammer then rolling around. bots deal almost no damage so i guess its better than nothing, but would prefer ANY of the other classes as a teammate

>grinding prestiges
>get teamed with two literal mouth breathers
>one of them leaves and never comes back
>the other one may as well be a bot
>carry that shit on my back all the way to the end
>get stunlock cucked and lose the geneseed
>bot is actually usefull and revives me so we can finish
I don't think i've seen a coop game with such a consistent amount of retards playing it. Dude would just fold against anything coming his way.

>>531264697
Sorry that was me I was drunk as shit

How do the grenade bolter works since the nerf? It is a viable pick or pure meme?

Ulfar: #1 Jobber, talks big then stands still in front of a warrior to commit sudoku. I bet his complaints over the vox was with gaunts the entire time.
Darius: Had a bolt pistol, could have tried to bait gunstrikes to survive. Where's your melee weapon, man?
Kelstros: May or may not have died to Rippers. If he actually died on a one-on-one to the worms, it's either a sad tale about confined spaces and swarming enemies, or a job story.
Beren: Failed at the job of rolling away with the bomb, and we know the bomb isn't a heavy item because Titus stuffs it into his ass and has no problem running around. Had to fight with one hand, perhaps excusable.

>>531266931
Shoot a lot, buy ammo packs instead of full boxes so that you can refill grenades I guess. The primary nerf was for how you get ammo for it.

>>531266931
Useless now

The damage and ammo recovery was ubernerfed

>>531268070
>>531271180
Does emperor's vengeance straight up not work for grenade launcher anymore, or does it still at least give you one nade ? I cannot test it right now and googling just leads to faggots contradicting each others. But yeah, it looks grim either way. Oh well.

>>531267338
Could rippers even chew through the black carapace to hurt the marine inside?

>>531275059
The carapace isn't a solid mass with full body coverage. Even if it was they probably could, its not a hard armor.

>>531271523
1 nade every 30 second

Played siege mode for the first time yday on normal and is it really 5x5 waves?
It takes easily over an hour, how doable are the later stages?
on wave 15 we already had to shred extremis after extremis and 3 terminus each.
How cucked do i get on XP for losing?
When do I use the dread?

>>531282046
You get cucked on XP just for playing siege, in the time it takes to get to level 15 on siege you could have earned 3X that amount running ops

>>531282046
it easily takes over 2 hours and your XP per minute is pretty bad even if you win, let alone if you lose
>dread
optimally you don't because valtus will get stuck in some corner somewhere chasing after a target he can't hit and wasting 1500 points but if you do buy him you don't press the button to spawn him until bosses actually spawn in since he only lasts like 3 minutes. once you see the healthbars on round 15 then you'd run back to the terminal to activate him and hope he's in a central enough location to at least clear all the majoris if not burst through the hellbrutes. playing optimally is to buy the bot marines, usually heavy, so they can take some aggro and sometimes do some decent damage

>>531282134
>>531283705
Is the shit XP payoff intentional or one of their usual lack of playtesting?
I was very busy when prestige came out so i have some catchup to do, but i cant combine that with the actually interesting mode, its kind of a bummer.

>>531284964
they actively nerfed it from the PTR for some reason
sabre just fucking hates people being able to play the game without obnoxious grinding

>>531284964
Just play normal siege if you want fun. Exp just play the game normally

>>531284964
Siege is interesting for the first like 4-5 times then it’s just a boring slog because the enemy waves have the exact same composition every single time
And there’s nothing like a Hive Tyrant fight or Trygon or Biotitan to break up the monotony

>>531252368
don't feel bad anon, you've been jumped on by a bunch of fencing retards who don't play heavy, including the "slot system" idiot who doesn't play above average. yes, you are cooked. yes, plasma helps a bit. yes, there's no shame in rollsloping behind another player. you just have to accept heavy is not equal in terms of melee to other classes.

>>531289423
nigger i mained heavy to prestige 4 before even touching other classes you fucking stomp, parry, and gunstrike
and yeah, sometimes you eat a heavy hit but most of the time you're supposed to back dodge and then get the gunstrike or keep parrying until all of their animations are gone and gunstrike while hipfiring whatever gun you have equipped every possible moment between parries
Heavy has an easier time dealing with getting mobbed by warriors than any melee i've played so far because stomp is disgusting for making space and is much quicker than anything like thunder hammer or power fist

Why would I use anything but the carbine on tactical?

>>531289423
Slot system is real. Except for terminus. Extremis also breaks the rule all the time since they can't stop their attacks mid combo.

>>531289423
I have a prestige 4 heavy and I play on hard siege and absolute you retard. It's a complete skill issue on his end.

then it wouldn't be hard to post a webm of you guys fighting 6 warriors at once

>>531290361
headclicking is fun: >>531228687
staggering enemies is fun: >>531089723
also not pictured: gauntclicking is fun (HBR)

I made this Red Scorpion Lieutenant.
Does it look good?

Also why does it seem like every person i run into on a console?

>>531291840
You don't let yourself get engaged in the first place you idiot. I said that earlier. You're shit at placement. Use grenades for stunning to clear distance. Retreat and aim for the heads, run between executions and use the increased melee damage buffs for stomps for when you can't back up anymore. Use your teammates as cover and fire into them. If you're the one leading a charge you're a fucking retard. Throw down a melta bomb or something, you sound fucking worthless if you just give up the second you get surrounded.

How do I deal with minigun terminators as sniper if I'm using carbine? Just plink away with my pistol?

>>531297865
close to melee

>>531298152
I tried doing that but I don't have the perks for buffing melee damage so I just ate shit after my cloak broke. It was the part of Vox where it's the GIANT fucking room with no cover.

Do I just accept the loss because I'm not leveled enough or should I bring the stalker for chaos missions instead and level carbine somewhere else?

>>531297865
I just stand in front of them and shoot them in the face as they do the same to me.
Big part of Carbine Sniper is the infinite Krak/Melta spam, but that's on level 25.

>>531298315
Their tracking is delayed and slow. If you roll sideways they will lag behind long enough for you to shoot some shots into their face, then repeat once he catches up.

>>531299462
Really? Every time I try rolling the minigun or rockets I just eat shit because they won't miss.

GIFTS! FOR THE GIFT GOD!

>>531303720
>black aquilla
based. fuck dow 2 fags.

>>531303984
it was golden in the first game too, troon

>>531304250
It depended on the unit

>>531247080
that goalpost got nice legs and they are walking

>>531265053
i can´t understand why people play games when they are drunk

>>531297865
>walk up to them
>press Q
>become invincible for 2seconds
>brrrr

As far as content updates go 8.0 is really a lackluster. Siege was fine for the first 10 tries until I unlocked that helmet. Besides that it gives us 3 colors for each gun. We don't even get to choose the color out of the ones we have available for armor.
One of the main selling points is getting to make your own Space Marine, which implies a whole breadth of options and cosmetics.
What I don't understand is why not release more stuff regularly in form events (they did that before) or fill a cosmetics pack to the brim with different pieces and gear elements so that it can last month or two before they release another? How lazy one team can be?

>>531311019
>What I don't understand is why not release more stuff regularly in form events (they did that before) or fill a cosmetics pack to the brim with different pieces and gear elements so that it can last month or two before they release another? How lazy one team can be?
we actually got an answer last thread - they cannot because of tech debt. if they add too much armor pieces the performance will tank. they are currently struggling with the paperdoll system rewrite, which was alluded by them talking about being able to equip separate champion skin parts, which would be infeasible unless they changed the code.

>>531311741
picrel

>>531308572
i just want to relax after wageslaving.

>>531314843
dont do it with alcohol. the high is one of the worst and it makes you stupid, ugly and fat.

>absolute lobby
>2 guys die
>disconnect
>2 guys connect
>die
>disconnect
>the russian starts talking through a mic in some subhuman language
lmao what a horrid experience

>>531316935
if drinking alcohol was wrong, it wouldn't have been chosen as our Lord as the substance of the sacrament of Eucharist. Christ is king.

>>531311019
I really dislike siege because it's unsustainable, the game mechanics weren't built to handle all those extremis at once and it shows.
Maybe it would be better if they greatly increased the in-siege currency you get so you can spam reinforcements, but still...

>>531317339
jesus fucking christ, I joined another absolute lobby, host tactical left within the first 5 minutes, then I spent atleast 15 minutes playing alone with bots, then two retards joined, bulwark and another tactical, the tactical died again like a fuckwit and the bulwark died 3 times during the entire run. Luckily some dumbass sniper joined too but he went down too, leaving me to clutch the entire fucking mission by myself multiple times. Thank god I found that relic and used it to revive myself at full hp because I got downed next to an execute target. Havent used a single fucking medkit during the entire mission. Emperor protects. 4 more missions to go to get my ugly pauldron

>>531319319
Called communion you papist.

>>531311741
>struggling
Well at least we know they can do it because doing it the right way around has been proven industry standard for decades. They'll get there eventually, and then after that it should be smoother sailing.

>>531329718
>They'll get there eventually, and then after that it should be smoother sailing.
I'm deluding myself that it'll be done by 9.0, but realistically by the time this one hits live they will only have started working on reverting whatever fuckery a modeller introduced before the game launched. There's so much untapped potential for a phenomenal customization in SM2 it hurts seeing such a bare bones system, that could've been made by an indie company operating from a garage. Still, I agree with the sentiment. We'll see it remade. I just hope it'll be backed up with a ton of addons we can use.

I'm a new player and I just prestiged my Sniper and took Versatile Precision.

Yay. I'm inclined not to believe this CM, at least about the event being XP only. Maybe it's just a smokescreen to keep people from getting 'hyped' about the new helmet, though I don't know why it would be.
Considering all the stuff that recently surfaced here about that cosmetics system I guess they might intentionally hold back on new gear.

>>531334109
yes, and?

>>531334109
that's great news, keep us posted

>>531334685
>another XP event....
Great. How about they increase baseline XP for completing operations and, uh, I dunno.... SIEGE mode?

>>531332239
It would be nice to get something new for the wardrobe, but pinning one more piece on the model sounds like adding a brick on top of an already wobbly structure.

https://x.com/i/status/1945148873116143620

>>531338158
Hiring quotas were a mistake.....

I fucking hate women and whatever the fuck this is >>531334685

>>531339408
that's surprisingly a woman

>>531339609
she can fuck off with her gay pink female space marine right off

>>531339829
she just likes dogs very much.

>>531339971
I hate liberal subhumans that work in game dev for allowing this to happen so much, you can just tell they are pathetic thirsty simps no woman respects and thats why they kneel so hard for all this faggy female bullshit, just tell the bitch no, she will respect you (if youre handsome (they are ugly out of shape soibois))

>>531339971
well, she is french after all.

>>531339971
She's the bitch that'd ban you off the forum if you remotely suggest that they don't exist on the forums and proceed to let fishing bots run rampage there for 2 weeks. Focus interactive is a cancer upon this game.

you guys seem upset

Does anybody actually use those melee perks on the sniper?

>>531346609
yes

Is this a fallen?

>its another episode of a guy with a russian name joins and just dies constantly
fucking untermenschen lmao

>>531334685
About time they announced new event
>it's an XP boos
Can they do anything right? By God, what have we done to have the game fall under such horrid management....

I just want the bolters to feel good but I think they never will.

>>531353080
Russians/slavs in general are miserable people who can only make things that make you feel miserable. Thats all they know. You can put gold in their hands, and just like Space Marine 2, at best they'll give you something that is ALMOST really good, but never what you actually want.
Just have a look at Tarkov currently. Nikita, this fucking retard, he's shitting on his own player base, and honestly i cannot even blame him because those retards just keep eating it.
t. Alpha player who stopped playing before it went mainstream. I understood that the game would NEVER be what he sold us. Fucking kike faggot.

>>531353080
Is that supposed to be a clip of bolters feeling good? Each basic Ork boy eats like 5-10 rounds with no stagger or feedback before he just magically explodes, as if each bolt round was lodging into his body and then they all detonate once they reach a certain number like a Halo needler. That doesn’t look good at all.

>>531359683
Somehow still better than what we got in SM2 tho

>>531349589
no, it isn't. the fallen use white bathrobes.

>>531345272
>pretty marines are the designated OC fag faction to contrast the angry marines who are the retard part of marines turned up to 11 and the reasonable marines are the competent operator chapter sorely missing in 40k.
>They are, in effect, a 3 point diagram that when combined is the very essence of SPHESS MEHREENS!
>Pretty Marines are actually, when depicted as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU-VKtVXyak&list=RDmU-VKtVXyak&start_radio=1 angst and tragedy kino that puts the Raven Guard, Night Lords, Blood Angels and World Eaters to shame.

Not sure how I feel about this but I think they fit the setting more than angry marines AND reasonable marines now. Not just a joke addition.
Pink and purple armour still looks terrible and Emperor's Children NEVER looked good though.

I don't know what's worse. The fact that having bots is more damaging than having no one, or how so many players still manage to be even less capable than the bots.

>playing siege
>get to wave 25
>in the middle of mowing down nids
>game suddenly closes on its own
Fantastic coding Saber! I had lots of fun.

>>531359683
>ork boyz are roughly SM-sized enemies that take like five bolts to kill so a couple bolts doesn't feel horrible
>unlike gaunts which take just as many shots but are the size of guardsmen and jump around every time you hit them
>hipfire can actually hit ork-sized targets at medium range
>unlike hipfire in SM2 which struggles to let you hit a carnifex at point blank range
>reload speeds are reasonable for a superhuman warrior that has used a bolter for a hundred years
>unlike SM2 reload speeds which are absolutely glacial and feel like you've never used a bolter before
>enemies die in a satisfying and mechanically useful explosion of gore
>enemies in SM2 sort of just fall over half the time
>nobs are rare and have health suiting their size and ork hordes struggle to close to melee without some
>tyranid warriors constantly spawn in groups of at least 3, can block bullets and are gigantic bullet sponges with more health than nobs
>enemy bullets sort of just plink off of you most of the time unless you're standing out in the open in front of a million shootas
>a single devourer in SM2 will kill you in two bursts while your bolter struggles to kill one ranged warrior with a single mag
Also the stupid fucking pointless RPM ramp on the heavy bolter, what is this shit.

>join decap right before the boss
>two guys already there
>we fight one massive wave and specials
>everything goes fine, no one steals executions or goes down
>I get kicked right after

I don't understand.

>waiting out the down timer does not use your guardian relic
>you just die and lose all your stuff
why is saber like this

is there wany set up that allows bolt sniper to one shot a melee majoris? i even tried the 20% damage when you dont move perk

>>531372602
No.

>join game
>mfw

>>531371203
Sorry my buddy wanted to join us

>>531372925
He was talking about geneseed
Gotta carry that genetically enhanced semen buddy

FUCK

>>531375665
get chewsday'd lmao

>>531375897
:(

>>531373815
So, you're telling me the bolt sniper isn't garbage?

>>531376869
they fixes the reload on cloak perk to work with the ammo on reload weapon perks. and ammo sniper gets 3 bullets back with each side arm kill when you have the prestige perk

Why did those fucking russians think it was a good idea to reset your perk for this prestige bullshit ? I'm pretty sure the community was against it too. Like, it is supposed to be fun, having you fucking class stripped from almost everything that makes it fun and be back to being a basic bitch? What the fuck is wrong with them, its a fucking coop game.

>>531379910
Prestige systems always reset your levels you dingus.

>>531380784
>it was always like this bro'
Not an argument.

>>531373815
i switched to lingering cloak. it is a little bit buggy with the bolt sniper, if you cloak and shoot then sometimes the cloak wont wear off and it will drain the battery. but its awesome with the instigator. a 3 shot burst in the head gives your your grenade back, and it deals about as much damage as the stalker it feels like

>>531378657
Did they also fix its reload on finisher perk so it works with ammo refund?

>>531382131
are you talking about the tact perk? i didnt try that. i dont think the free ammo perk it competes with is negotiable anyways. heavy bolt rifle has a reload on skill use that doesnt work with heavy shield though

>>531382383
No, the weapon itself had a perk that reloaded it after a finisher. Maybe they removed/reworked it by now. I came back after not playing since Lethal was added and I am only playing Bulwark and Assault for now, so not sure what was changed in there.

>>531380923
Yes it is, even going back to Call of Duty 4 if you prestiged your account you would lose all your weapons and skins and would have to unlock them all over again. Why does SM2 have to be any different? Why does it have to cater specifically to you being a filthy casual?

>>531380923
It made me realize that Absolutes with no perks at level 1 are very possible and that all you really need is gold weapons
So it’s pretty cool for that

>>531386415
Yeah I prestiged all my classes in absolute, too. Guy needs to git gud.

>hive tyrant has a stagger animation
>helbrute has a stagger animation
>carnifex does not
???

>>531386415
>>531387414
Point to me where i said i was annoyed because it was too hard, retards. Its just shitty and annoying. There's literally NO REASON for this, besides annoying the player. This isn't a fucking PvP mode. But you do look like faggots, sucking each others cocks like that, so no shit you like taking it up the ass from russian devs.
I guess there's a reason this fucking general is dead.

i like sniper a lot. feels like fly on the wall, helping your sqadmates

>>531390041
Brother, your block knife?

>>531390526
there is no way block knife deals more damage than clicking the tyrant's head, especially when the tyrant isnt attacking you half the time for your block stacks

>>531390041
i hate that rolling through an enemy is the most optimal way to dodge a freight train charging at you

>>531388748
I was just saying I liked how it made me a better play by forcing me to learn how to play without perks
Don’t get your panties in a twist bro

>>531365956
>pointless rpm ramp on heavy bolter
Yeah man let me just go in and out of heavy stance with max fire rate and roll slop.

>>531372602
You can't. It's literally 2 damage off from a 1 shot, with the highest damage set up possible. It's just cucked so hard.

>>531390041

>>531392269
worked for the first game

>>531392269
You maintain your fire rate if you heavy stance and fire between dodges so why does it matter?

>>531391915
Meant to answer the other cunt. Your comment actually makes sense. But i still don't think its worth the hassle.

>>531361168
Reasonable Marines literally are canon though.

chaos is such an after thought fuck chaos and fuck chaos maps

>>531397921
>nids get satisfying mechanic that stuns/makes the fodder die if you kill a majoris
>chaos gets jack shit like that and they're all fucking unsatisfying as fuck to fight
grim

>>531401229
they could have easily made the gors get their head blown up when a chaos space marine dies. even if the y add orks, gretchen could run away when an ork boy dies or seomthing

>>531397921
Sorcerer dies

Rubrics disperse

After killing half of the Tzaangors they disappear

>lets just make a faction where you cannot ignore the minoris behave like the faction where you're supposed to ignore the minoris
Dumb idea. Drop it.

>>531402278
>faction where you cannot ignore the minoris
This is the dumb idea you shithead

>>531401391
>kill chaos marine
>cultists stop shooting and flee the combat zone
>gors get staggered
Sounds miles better than what we have already

>want to play assault
>get bulwark & vanguard with a melta teammates
>leave

>>531392858
The first game also significantly lowers your turn speed after turning a certain amount of degree. And it has a set up time for heavy stance. In effect both games have the same amount of time before you can fire at max speed. And you cant walk at all while in heavy stance.
>>531393401
No you don't. The ramp up is such a minor gripe anyway: It literally takes 1 second for it to get to 600rpm from 300. If you can just roll slop and shoot at max speed for a split second the lack of mobility you usually get with the heavy bolter would be completely nullified.

Am I the only one who wants SM3 to be mostly Tyranids again. They're a good video game antagonist, the same cannot be said for every tabletop faction.

>>531414460
>Am I the only one who wants SM3 to be mostly Tyranids again.
No
half the factions only work for a cover shooter formula or will just be rage inducing to fight in a melee heavy system
>orks
>nids
>combined imperials
>combined chaos
are the only factions that have army lists that make a satisfying enemy roster unless they invent a whole new race to serve as tau auxiliaries or give them some kind of retarded melee drone that doesn't fit them at all.

>>531406417
>The ramp up is such a minor gripe anyway
it's yet another pointless negative gunplay balance point that makes the guns feel worse
>If you can just roll slop and shoot at max speed for a split second the lack of mobility you usually get with the heavy bolter would be completely nullified
heavy stance is an awkward stance change that you're not allowed to roll out of for whatever reason and you move so slowly in heavy stance that you might as well be immobile
heavy bolters don't fire faster the longer you fire them, there is no reason they should be doing this, it's just retarded

>>531418520
You literally just let go of the stance button for 0.1 seconds and then press roll buddy, it’s not awkward once you do it more than 2-3 times

>>531420051
>it’s not awkward
yes it is, you can parry out of it
saber are just lazy retards and you're sucking their dick just to be a contrarian

>tyranids
Balanced enemy with something for everyone, leans melee
>orks
Balanced but easily breaks into melee, they attack more frequently the more of them you krump, watch for suicidal units
>chaos
Polarized depending on subfaction, corns are the most melee centric of all factions
>necrons
Ranged and typically only uses melee when engaged first, "minoris" ripper equivalent with scarabs
>tau
Ranged and folds in melee when kroot fail to screen, but maps designed to force players to win at their game (class abilities help close distance)
>eldar deldar
Balanced and designed to play keep away, meta strategy is to avoid letting players get executes and makes them chase for it

SM3 should start with a major Ork WAAAGH and Tyranid invasion heralded by Genestealers at the same time.

Then the Eldar intervene and attack Titus and frens.

Chaos shows up (Word Bearers mostly but Undivided) and cause more havoc to the system.

Eldar starts a ritual that removes the planet's seal, revealing that their ancestors put Necrons in stasis and wards during the War in Heaven. The Farseer sacrifices herself and becomes an Avatar of Khaine.

Necrons wake up and fuck shit up, they also have C'tan shard.

Final boss is the Word Bearers Chaos lord killing himself to bring Lorgar and more Chaos into the system. Titus almost gets killed until Girlyman arrives. Girlyman, Titus and frens fight against Lorgar and a portal overflowing with Chaos and daemons.

Ultramarineswinlol, Lorgar retreats and the Grey Knights close the portal.

For his actions Titus gets promoted back to 2nd company captain, Captain Scotland becomes a Victrix Guard for Girlyman.

In addition to Gadriel and Chairon, Titus gets Straban and Leandros as his 2 extra teammates.

>>531422751
>taking a vanguard captain to go play bulwark

>>531420632
You literally just let go out of the stance button for 0.1 seconds and then press the parry button
Yeah it fucked me up too for all of 3 missions and then I got used to it, there’s no delay between dropping stance and parrying, it’s not awkward
Trust me, you’ll get used to it
If there was some sort of enforced delay between dropping stance and parrying I’d be complaining too, but there’s not

>>531424028
>let go out of the stance button for 0.1 seconds
I use toggle, that's the default, I'm not going to hold my middle mouse button down for something that is more convenient as a toggle
>and then press the parry button
you can parry out of heavy stance, you can't dodge out of it
>Trust me, you’ll get used to it
I have played space marine 2 for hundreds of hours, I'm used to it, it's awkward

>>531422751
Lorgar can't leave the warp because Corax is trying to spawn camp him outside of the keep he's locked himself in.

>>531424380
>toggle stance
Why would you… never mind
I can definitely see it being super awkward if you use uh… toggle aim… in a shooter…
Sorry I just didn’t know there was anyone alive that did that anymore

>>531425383
>Why would you
because its fucking middle mouse click for a gun i'm going to be shooting for 10+ seconds at a time why the fuck would you want to hold that?

>>531425493
Alright real talk. I play controller, but is that what you have to press to aim on PC? Middle mouse button? Or are aim and stance on separate buttons?

>>531425682
same button
left click is shoot, right click is melee, middle mouse click is aim, spacebar is dodge, Q is ability, G is grenade, C is parry, F is stims, X is for lock on, shift is sprint

>>531425682
nta, yes, it's the fucking middle button. super awkward to keep pressed for longer period of time, so i use toggle mode too

>>531425821
>middle mouse button to aim
>in a 3rd person shooter
Clearly you are an ascended god beyond my comprehension, that is an absolutely fucking wild control scheme, I would have changed that shit immediately if I were using M+KB
I fucking kneel, your understands are beyond the comprehension of my mere mortal mind

>>531425821
>>531425893
But yeah on controller aim/stance is just hold LT, so you just let go of LT and press A to dodge, which doesn’t feel awkward at all

>>531425923
Melee is more relevant than shooting for every part of the game except heavy (and even then), keeping it bound to the more relevant button is more important. Side buttons can be just as awkward to hold down so they don't really help and sacrificing anything on the keyboard is just as bad since dodging is also more important and i'm not going to fuck up my brain by having sprint on something not shift.
Its the default settings and its dumb but its easier to get used to for the majority of the game where chainswording shit with some some head spraying is optimal. Toggle is also the default setting iirc since holding it just to pop off some bolt pistol rounds over pressing, aiming, and pressing again is similarly annoying.
If it were any other FPS/TPS then aiming goes on right click but melee is simply more crucial to focus on so it gets the bigger, less unwieldy button.

>>531425923
It doesn't matter what configuration it is, toggle aim is standard for PC here because it's too inconvenient to hold. I have side buttons so it's not so bad for me but I'm still going to use toggle.

It is simply the game's fault that there is an inconsistency with how the controls work. Heavy stance is the only state in the game that you must exit manually before you can roll.

No wonder I watch so many people hipfiring and refusing to sight in lmao
Having to click middle mouse to sight in is WILD

The second I saw middle mouse button show up for aiming in the turorial I rebound it.
LeftCTRL is a great button for aiming, you'll never need to press aim and sprint so it doesn't get in the way of using leftshift. I also rebound parry to an extra mouse button, because C is a really awkward spot for a button you need to be ready to use at any time.
The PC default control scheme is garbage, it needs to be rebound for a passable experience. Don't torture yourself by keeping middle mouse for aiming.

>>531430454
thats why I only play melta vanguard, started playing plasma tactical and most of my shots go fucking sideways because I forget to zoom in

>>531405273
glad you left, useless cocksucker

>>531432601
joke's on him, vanguard+bulwark is probably the best combo for an assault

>>531432832
for him, for us its like dragging a useless retard along, I have assault prestige 4, I know my shit, its a meme class

>>531432989
so do i, and i don't play assault in absolute because i suck, but everytime i do a bulwark or vanguard and get this composition the operation is a cakewalk

>>531426554
Shift for dodge to match Darktide, holding dodge while moving forwards doubles as the sprint command.
Ctrl as immediate sprint.
Spacebar for blocking because it requires more timing precision.

>>531432306
I changed parry to shift. Sprint is always my Alt key. Use key is always F. Ability is Q, since I can't double bind for some dumbass reason the execution is still E, otherwise that would be stims. Changed aim to a thumb button on my mouse.
>>531433361
Spacebar is always jump. In this case that makes it dodge. The way I play my games, shift is prone/walk, CTRL is crouch, space is jump, alt is sprint, F is use key, and Q and E are either lean or ability keys, depending on what kind of game it is. Always. Been that way since Call of Duty United Offensive had had it set that way in 2003 or 4.

>>531433905
And this game has no jump outside of a class ability. Thus spacebar becomes an open slot for me.

>>531433361
>Shift for dodge to match Darktide
Still spacebar for me on vermintide
also side mouse button and doubletap
If i could dual bind stuff i would but i'm not going to fuck up the current muscle memory i have without a fallback

>>531243046
I'd like to update my Raptor#6: https://files.catbox.moe/r7rxb2.png
At your convenience Brother Dudeius. And thank you for your service.

>>531437958
Received.

>>531437958
>inquisition insignia
can I wear those on my smurf and remain lore accurate

Hot damn, the number of bugs in this game is astounding. These bozos release half baked content that belongs in pre-alfa version of a game. What the fuck are Nikita and Dima doing over at Saber? They should be working 24/7 and releasing actual hotfixes each week.

Siege has NPCs getting stuck in invisible walls, even though it was supposedly fixed, most weapons are outright useless due to low damage not to mention stats that are meaningless numbers instead of concrete info like distance, damage numbers etc. Disconnects, CTDs, errors.. the list goes on. I mean wtf.
Plus the whacky paper doll cosmetic system.... that shit is a commentary in and of itself. And why the hell are Saber getting praised by bunch of monkeys over at their discord echo-chamber? CMs aren't helping because those primadonnas that keep perpetuating the situation.

I'd say I hope heads will roll for letting these problems persist for as long they have, but I know this won't happen. A brother can cope though. The only thing that could maybe rattle their cage are negative reviews Helldivers 2-style. At least Arrowhead (mostly) got their shit together.
Thanks for reading my blog Brothers, but after another disconnect and game crash this week I had to vent.

>>531451640
>but after another disconnect and game crash this week I had to vent.
you now understand why they have been trying to avoid increasing the number of enemies on screen, chaos cosmetics in pve, or adding a six player mode for so long

>>531452012
Oh, I was aware of all these problems and how they hamper improvement of SM2, but this time it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
However crashes occur randomly, even before higher waves (10-15) kick in, so it's not always tied to the number of nids/chaos on screen afaik. It happens very seldom, but that's what I noticed anyway. This must be in part their spaghetti code at work, because I can't imagine it's entirely server related issue. Seeing as >6-man lobbies are a thing thanks to mods (I can't attest to their stability myself though) it's possible that both netcode and infrastructure are to blame.

But they were making this game at some point, how come they lack common sense and logic to plan things like that ahead. I get they didn't expect SM2 to be such a massive hit that it was at launch and a bit later, but the point stands.

>>531451640
>>531452845
While I believe it has happened to you. It literally works on my machine and does not and I have 600 hours in the game with every class maxed.
However I am in Aus and infrastructure might have something to do with it.

>>531453163
does not crash or disconnect*

I cant even find a lobby today, the game is so shit it just keeps disconnecting me.

>>531453526
just

>>531453687
its apparently not just me, this thread is 4 hours old

>>531453163
nta, but I had relatively smooth experience for the longest time and I also got CTDs and the game disconnected at random times, very recently. it's probably what anon said about their netcode being shit. fucking Saber I swear.

>>531453903
post

well the game is broken, rip

>>531453903
>Disconnections are 'often' the user's fault
I can't with this guy

can I get one game without a retarded assault nigger that goes down within the first five minutes please

another assault nigger...

Servers are down for me. Guess I'm forced to take a break.

>>531454686
its some terminally online millenial freak, I just pity niggers like that these days

>Havent seen a Dark Angel in weeks
>Decide I want to wear some green
>Set up my 4th set of armour for DA
>First siege group with 2 randoms is full Dark Angels...

Someone is spying on me...

Does no one in here play pvp?

>>531459013
I tried it once. Didnt like it.

melta tactical or plasma tactical? I guess vs bosses plasma is better but fuck melta just fucks shit up plus I can use it on vanguard too

>>531459013
i played the shit out of it when the game first released. i think its solid but i guess its just not appealing enough for everyone.

>>531459013
It's alright, but if I want to play a PVP shooter I'll play Rising Storm 2 or something else. This game is better in operations and siege mode. I like killing nids. PVP is really bare bones. The gameplay itself is fine. It the maps and game modes leave a lot to be desired.

>>531464578
I think it needs a game mode with a greater sense of scale. A pure 6v6 in a franchise known for massive battles feels a bit off. A mode gives both sides guardsmen/cultists and maybe juggernauts would probably be good.

>>531461069
Plasma tactical just shreds everything. Melta feels like shit against anything that isn't fodder.

>get matched with two snoys
>one of them keep dying, like, as soon as he spawns back in he dies
>can't kick him because they're grouped up
>have to carry this faggot who eat all the stims and throw grenade on my in the middle of fights
My blood is boiling

>>531469303
codes, motherfucker. do you post them

>>531473571
I'm not an absolute chad yet, i just came back to the game

>>531474049
there nothing wrong with posting ruthless or lethal, do you think everyone here is prestige iv level 25?

>>531474049
all the absolute players have left and are done playing
they have the helmet already
they've unlocked all the heraldry and weapon colours

>>531477383
>all the absolute players have left and are done playing
no? i've been here since september.

>>531474525
>>531477383
Well i'll try dropping a code next time then.

>speedrunners don't know they can't outrun a terminus enemy
is this 2024 again?

>>531425038
It's been implied since 8th edition that he's actively running around Nihilus.

>>531483035
>speedrunners
>people literally be like "i need to grind faster so i can be done with it"
zoomer retards, i'm here to kill things, not run like a bitch

>>531474525
I come from /hdg/ and there's never a game that isn't max difficulty unless its sc grinding, so i expected the same here. But i guess HD2 is overall easier and less punishing.

>>531488618
It is because they value their effort based on the arbitrary rewards associated with it. Speed running SM2 gives more xp per hour and unlocks everything quicker.

>Is it dogshit to play like that?
Yes
>Do they understand this?
Yes.
However the need to pad out their unlocks/achievements as soon as possible and move on to the next thing is ingrained in them since they were small children.
The retarded "hustle and grind" culture that has been co-opted from blacks who are talking about being career criminals is all they know.

So ironically they are trying to 'game' the system within whatever game they are playing and never actually 'play' the game.
Why do you think they are all depressed? They cannot even enjoy their non work related hobbies.

>>531489451
I unironically cheated all max weapons and unlocked all the customization at release, and i've been happy to play the game just because its fun.

>>531489451
>Speed running SM2 gives more xp per hour and unlocks everything quicker.
that's debatable. if i didn't kill every majoris they left behind and the thrope, their run would end there. after i disconnected they most likely lost because they didn't understand they were supposed to defend the train.

>>531477383
No I still play Absolutes
I just don’t post codes

>game is fucking broken again
fucking piece of shit i swear to god

>>531494436
fuck russian subhumans

>>531494436
I've been out of the loop for two days. What's going on this time? God-mode Terminus spawns inside battle-barge and slashes all NPCs? Leandros speaking Japanese in your vox and spouting accusations of heresy all the time? Bolters firing back at our Dudes? Knowing Saber all three are viable possibilities.

>>531422751
First SM3 should have netcode allowing us to have large scale battles both in campaign and PvE ops.
Also, get all the people from Saber that nailed the aesthetics in 2 and have them work with a more competent team of devs then the ones we are forced to stick with. Maybe Relic, but I don't how much better they'd do nowadays.

>>531506892
Just disconnecting. These faggots are just incompetent.

>>531506892
All of that sounds way too fun
No, you'll have to live with the game slowly declining, every update introducing just a few bugs that just make the gameplay suck a bit more, without actually ruining it so much that saber has to fix them. Every gameplay feature you like to use, slowly buried under a mountain of inconvenience and accidental nerfs, introduced so gradually that you simple learn to live with them until you stop playing altogether because the fun no longer outweighs the trouble of getting through a game.

>helldivers 2 new update
>fixed 3 bugs, broke half the game
>space marine 2 update
>barely anything and its half broken too, under delivering as usual
>darktide update
>half the skill tree of the new character doesn't work
So, only a minority of game devs still take pride in their work and actually care about the patch they drop on live, huh.

>>531519709
only a minority of game devs are european heterosexual men these days, you do the math, brown gay liberal retard

you know chaos actually kinda works in campaign where there's cover literally everywhere and terminators are seeded spawns in specific spots
still less fun than nids

>>531524616
chaos is less annoying than nids and easier to fight too, youre just garbage at the game.

Man the AI is beyond useless, what the fuck.

>>531524987
Chaos is also boring as fuck to fight.

>>531524987
>chaos is less annoying than nids and easier to fight too
lmao no

>>531525990
>giant flying goats that do the retarded 360 degree radius green shockwave
>biovores
>whip niggers
yeah, nigger. canonically nids are more annoying / dangerous aswell.

>>531526839
>>giant flying goats that do the retarded 360 degree radius green shockwave
fun boss monster
>biovore
infrequent spawn
>whips
Fun to fight
Sounds like you have a case of the git guds instead if you think neurothropes and whip warriors are the bad parts of nids, let alone worse than constant rubricae in every corner of an open room

>>531526839
Sounds like you're the shitter to me.

Yeah i'm sure it was really necessary for that vegetation to have a hitbox that also 100% block a sniper shot.

How do you deal with the whip attack pattern? Are you supposed to quickly double parry the 2nd and 3rd hit in the combo? Or is it meant to be timed for a single input?

>>531538329
Parrying the second hit staggers them and gives you a gunstrike.

>>531540296
Am I just remembering every encounter wrong or does that not work? Like you need to parry all 3 to get a stagger?

>>531540556
you can parry the 2nd or 3rd swings to stagger them
don't even have to parry the first one, you can step into range after it and still get the stagger

>>531486301
Really? I haven't read a codex in earnest since 5th edition. I'm mostly a secondary with BL books and video games these days. Back in the day I had a 1000 point ork army. My mekboy could substitute a walker as an infantry unit so I had lots of deff dreads and killa kans. No idea where all my stuff is these days, I think I left them at a friend's house.

>>531542197
GW is slowly bringing all the primarchs back, which honestly kills most of the remaining mystique that the setting had, but we've gotten cool moments from it.
Expect Lorgar fully back with a model and everything within the next couple editions.

>>531524616
You also get an ability that full heals through chip damage and can pack S tier weapons in every slot.

>>531546905
Honestly the fact that it drowns you in stims is more relevant than the damage buff+heal over time once every six minutes or something

>>531546905
>S tier weapons in every slot
Does that even matter when they're all whites and perkless?
Actually, how does hp scaling for campaign work, those missions might be more fun in coop than the actual operations

>>531519709
I kinda wish for a wave of negative reviews. Nowadays it seems like the only thing that maybe could give modern devs the right kick in the nuts and force them to actually work on fixing problems.

>>531562686
it's a one year old 40k game. everyone who was unsure either bought it or did not. everyone who will want to buy it will regardless of reviews.

>find match in quick play
>if i don't step into the launch area in literally 2 seconds in kicks me back to my own battle barge

>>531546905
>S
>TIER
>BALANCED
>CHAINSWORD

>>531565062
hey, there's also the balanced thunder hammer

>>531418520
Skill fucking issue. Rebind your mouse 3 to something else and don't bother toggle aiming. You have an entire keyboard and you chose to keep the default control scheme and bitch about how awkward it is. You know what I did? I rebound my keys and instead of whining about inane shit like the ramp up and heavy stance I just circumvented that BS.

>>531528969
>no u
great argument, subhuman, Im better than you in video games and in real life. learn to dodge the terminator rockets lmfao

>>531574603
Actually, what is the trick to dodging rockets

>>531574603
In campaign you don't need to because massive cover pieces are consistently everywhere terminators are spawned

>>531575506
>>531575519
ok shitters lmao

>>531575643
are you a bot? Who do you think you're responding to?

>>531527720
>worse than constant rubricae in every corner of an open room
>get told I dont see a problem with this
>youre somehow good and I am bad
you used the retard phrase git gut too, what more proof of your retardation do you need, subhuman

>>531575718
to some retarded jeet that cant dodge de rockets saaar bloody basterd chaos bitch

>>531575506
don't press dodge when you see the orange circle
don't press dodge when the terminator is firing
press dodge now
don't press dodge when the missles are falling down on you

>>531575740
Yes, you are bad because the point is that they're ANNOYING
the game isn't hard yet somehow you think nids, the far easier and better designed faction, are hard while ignoring that rubricae spam are essentially the same thing as a biovore except they're constant during every chaos mission instead of maybe once or twice

>>531581779
I think chaos is easier than nids. post your absolute pouldron. Shitter

what the fuck
why is it always aussie time

>>531574591
Does rebinding the key remove the ramp? No? Then shut the fuck up.

>>531582942
For future rage bait, try replacing
>your absolute pauldron
with
>your studded helmet
as difficulty standards have been updated

Is there some unannounced maintenance going on? The servers seem to be shitting the bed and connecting online.

>>531587668
turn off crossplay, and dont use quick match, that one is kinda iffy

>>531451640
>see tyranid warrior is about to attack me
>i parry at the right time
>attack goes through anyway and hits me as if i didn’t press anything
>spore hidden in the wall detonates, finishing me off (no sound and no visual warning, this one seems to happen very consistently)
Exquisite zigger jank ngl, imagine playing siege to the best of your ability and this shit happens on wave 14

>>531587494
siege is easy compared to ops you stupid cunt

>>531588083
Now that's a good one, use that more.

>>531588376
youre retarded and thats a good thing

>>531587668
yeah, seems so, error 140

>>531588580
Derivative.

>>531587486
No but it removes your excuse to bitch about a non issue. You gonna bitch more?

i think they fixed it, managed to get a lobby second time in a row

>>531590056
Stop bitching.

chaos sucks and should not be in SM3 it should be trannynids and orks only

>>531591571
Wouldn't it be better if SM3 featured a new race?

>>531594127
coomers, coomers everywhere.

>>531595063
I need SM3 to feature necrons so I can JERK OFF and CUM in my PANTS

>>531595516
sorry, I thought you're the guy who jacks off to tau and eldar

>>531594127
no because the eldar are gay as fuck and the necrons would be boring, SM3 should be bigger in scoop for ops so they're not just the same old maps.

i genuinely don't know what to choose
extra ammo
>implying i don't have enough ammo
extra healing
>implying i should be using medkits for healing
extra health
>implying i can trust saber that 15% extra health means 15% extra health
ability regen
>implying i'm going to run around at 25% health to scan things more frequently instead of grabbing a fucking ammo box

>>531599569
Most prestige perks are fucking garbage that could have been included by default and not make much of a difference.

>>531599569
Tac is busted already, what more do you want

>>531599569
>sit at a sliver of health for a marginal and usually niche stat boost
I fucking hate how much saber does this stupid shit.

>>531602142
its for when you take damage like a retard on absolute which happens fucking lot. Im literally the last one alive in every other run and every little bit helps with the clutch.

I'm really enjoying bulwark

What the fuck is going on with the servers, it's since yesterday that it fails to find games and it just stuck trying to select a map.

>>531616417
disable crossplay fixed it for me

>>531620754
Yeah did that and it's working now

>>531451640
>Plus the whacky paper doll cosmetic system....
I can't wrap my head around how such a glaring mistake of a design got past someone with a sense of sight. Indie games ain't THAT bad and even if, well they are indie games.

>>531451640
>At least Arrowhead (mostly) got their shit together.
Nah man they're getting sloppy again. Releasing patches that add more bugs than they fix and subpar content thats only good a month or two later when they actually fix it because people shit on them.
All those devs are lazy faggots who take no pride in their work.

>try to join game
>stuck on loading screen
Ebin, simply ebin. Is every single studio using jeets to code their shit now? What the fuck is happening

5N4BH
I'm grinding my bulwark. Either ruthless or lethal.

>>531629906
Dead thread, dead game. Cancelled.

>>531629906
>ruthless
lmao

>>531636784
You're the reason why faggots come to higher difficulties and have to be carried, let people play the difficulty they enjoy/feel confident with, retard. Are you 14 or something?

>>531637869
lol shitter is mad, cry harder hahaha

>>531637909
You sound underage as fuck.

>>531638050
>haha ur a kid lol
ok unc enjoy your retirement home soon lmaoooo

>>531638338
And brown too, damn.

>>531638537
seethe jeet

>>531599569
do you find spare power useful?

>>531639065
Jeets are brown too, fucktard.

>>531599569
any of the first 3 are great and i don't understand how you could choose anything else tac has (besides the headshot booster) over them
40% more HP is a lot of fucking HP, fortitude is better overall since you get more effective damage reduction to work with too, and bonus ammo reserve can allow for some sillier weapon builds

>>531628742
Huh, I didn't realize it was that bad with HD2. You'd think they learned their lesson. Still, Saber have yet to cross the rubicon of negative (rightful) reviews and opinions.

Another tease and probably a nothing burger. On the off chance it's actually something, what do you think it could be?

>execute stealer got me killed

is battle focus (mark on tac parry) still bugged where it only does the basic mark?

>>531655828
>bugged

It's a stealth nerf. But yes.

>>531639754
ok saar calm down

>>531654083
The old VHS style dating tells me it's Jurassic Park.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UinsNBOTNyU
They put out a trailer and it's been radio silence ever since. The trailer is just clapbait cranked to 11, but a Jurassic Park horror entry has been something people have wanted for a long time.

>>531655828
>>531656913
what did they change?

servers are unplayable. piece of shit

>>531662441
iirc with the siege patch it only gives you the basic mark that it like 30% damage or something, it used to apply your buffed auspex so it was much stronger,

After playing a stupid amount of carbine on sniper and going back to the las, i’d almost forgot how insane the las is. Carbine is silly strong but I think the las is still better, minus lictors anyway.

>>531664989
Honestly seems like a pretty fair nerf, auspex parry made tac the best melee class by far in terms of damage output

servers are still borked?

>>531667195
yes i gave up

>>531667195
Yeah still fucky for me

I WANT TO PLAY WITH RANDOMS BUT IT WONT CONNECT
popping nidders heads isnt the same with bots

>>531582942
I too feel like I enjoy fighting gayoss more at this point.
I like killing traitor guardsmen by just walking through them.
Chaos still have those sneaky bullshit snipers with inconsistent shot charge speeds that can delete all your hp instantly, but you can one shot them with anything instead of them being damage sponges.
They only have one terminus type that spams aoes like a neuothrope, but it's way less annoying to deal with than neurothropes cause they only aoe once at a time. They don't have a beam attack with a bullshit hitbox that goes through cover either.
Terminators and lesser sorcerers run away way less than lictors and ravenors. Biovores feel like a "fuck you" from the devs with how they're so fucking tanky but can skitter around at mach speeds and shit spore mines everywhere.
Disk Tzangors are a little annoying, but they're pretty squishy and feel great to execute.
And yeah, no spore mines is a big plus. The little ghost heads that sorcerers spawn are an effective equivalent that distract and area deny without being able to suckerpunch you for half your fuckin health bar.

Btw, nidder lovers: annoying =/= skill issue

>>531582942
>>531677215
assault is okay if you do not play the melee classes

>>531677549
i meant chaos is okay*
the only chaos enemy that is fun to fight is the helbrute

>>531677215
Chaos are easier than nids right now i’d say, purely because of boivore spam and the spore mines that come with them on top of the carnifex being fucking annoying if it decides to spam charge while you’re fighting a lot already. But nids are still more fun because chaos just do not have enough going on in melee. Hellbrute is easily the best designed boss though, only annoying part of it is the plasma trail being clipped under ground most of the time.

is it intentional that carnifexes cannot staggered by any means
was it intentional that parrying carnifexes and helbrutes didn't give you a gunstrike for months

>>531679471
They didn’t give gunstrikes a launch and for a very long time after that, then they changed it to give you one but also buffed their hp I believe. A block with with two charges inflicts a brief stagger on them

>>531677549
Why are you only hipfiring? You're painting around him like a looney tunes character.

>>531680268
better mobility. this was before the bolt pistol accuracy patch so this play style is even better

>>531680268
Because he's a complete shitter.

>>531680268
30 shots were fired and 6 were misses

>>531680918
Shots barely matter unless they're headshots.

>>531681663
you dont know anything. all that matters is putting an enemy into execute and keeping yourself safe

If anyone is interested in the CRPG for Rogue Trader, we just started a general:

>>>/vg/rtg/

>>531686689
Haven't played a CRPG before, but I'm interested

>>531677215
Chaos majoris just isn't fun to fight
Boneswords and especially whips are great to fight in melee even if they're a bit basic, give me those any day over rubrics
As for extremis, while zoanthrops can be BS occasionally and biovores are dull as a brick to fight, and melee termies are incredibly fun, raveners and lictors more than make up for it while you get to avoid fighting ranged terminators. That's a tradeoff I'd take any day.

You know what I find funniest though? That people are expressing their favourite faction to fight in terms of what enemies they get to avoid from the other almost entirely. Nothing says "well designed enemy roster" like players having good reasons to avoid entire factions just because certain enemies kill their enjoyment of the game on their own.

>wave 10 of siege mode
>no armor but full life
>suddenly get one shot

What the fuck was that? Some bug?

>>531697306
Depends, was it nids wave?

>>531697480
Yes.

>>531697306
Did you get zoan/neurothrope'd? There is a bug where their beam will deal insane damage on occasion. I've heard it has to do with having hyper armour (the same applies to the trygon's burrow attack), basically you don't get knocked back so you get hit by the attack multiple times. I can't confirm the truth of that though.

>>531629906
I'm sorry anon, I went to sleep early yesterday and missed your post.

>>531698108
I don't know what hit me. We were fighting carnifexes, I jet packed dodged through them, started charging my attack then I just fucking died. No sniper no nothing.

>>531695385
Their everything sucks. Yeah, roadkilling renegades is kinda fun but in no way makes up for how annoying they are to deal with if you don't gib them all on spawn, how much ammo they drain from guns you actually want to bring or health they attrit. Termagaunts at least have the decency to not spawn in huge numbers when they do spread out.
Long las can be one shot yeah but they also hide behind everything and blend into the dark as fuck environments of chaos maps so you're having to spend time out in the open taking potshots from everything else just to get a shot at them. They're at least as annoying as venom cannons since, as much as cannon warriors kite like motherfuckers, you are still rewarded the synapse feedback for diving for them.
Gor herds aren't awful but they're less fun than gaunts to deal with (and at one point saber thought shields being fucking invincible was a balanced decision so fuck them for that still)
Rubricae are rubricae, everyone already knows how shitty their constant teleportation and maps devoid of cover are to deal with.
Discgors are absolute cancer that are annoying both to shoot and fucking melee. Their only upside is having snappy executes.
And 2 of the 3 extremis are a bitch and a half to try to engage at all while zoans are at least giant floating punching bags.
Chaos only becomes a fun faction to fight when you're playing heavy or tac who can blown them the fuck away with superior ranged firepower which is antithetical to the entire game where guns are just meant to soften shit up on the approach before the melee begins.

>>531677215
Hotshot lasguns that can cause a whole marine to somersault from the impact. I think we could try making our las fusils out of that technology instead.

>>531695385
And people want to fight tau and necrons, which would be the worst aspects of Chaos enemies. Ranged shooty enemies, and for the necrons, super tanky ranged shooty enemies that can get back up, and for the tau, flying fast ranged shooty enemies that can throw tzaangor tier melee chaff at you and can dome you with plasma bolts from across the map. Who thinks fighting any of those would be fun in SM2's gameplay loop? It would turn the game into a cover shooter.

I hope the Fists pack includes some cool new armor pieces, the helmet on the champion skin was a real miss to me (giant underbite helmet?).

>>531700286
>And people want to fight tau and necrons
Those people are stupid. Neither even works with the minoris-majoris-extremis system unless GW lets them make up entirely new units and no way they're rebuilding from scratch if they've already started working on 3.

>>531700926
Eh, I don't like them either but they can easily provide those enemies:
>Minoris: various drones and scarab swarms for necrons, drones and fire warriors for the tau
>Majoris: flayed ones and warriors for the necrons, kroots and smaller battlesuits for tau
>Extremis: wraiths and destroyers for the necrons, bigger suite and kroot dinos for the tau
Both factions have the problem of being mostly shooty (which can be offset by them being more fragile than chaos) but could offer unique mechanics of being supported by their drones like a minoris gun and shield drones linking up with a tau suit or fire warrior team and stuff like that.

>>531701334
>various drones and scarab swarms for necrons
There are no small drones for necrons besides scarabs and the only time a swarm is ever encountered is the rippers which would not make any sense to try and chainsword
>drones and fire warriors
You really want to play aim trainer taking potshots at gun drones zipping around? You want to have dozens of guys armed with s5 railguns? You either have shit that doesn't work in a melee system to fight or is so far beyond the threat value that minoris should present that they can not be used if saber values the game being playable.
It isn't just that they're more shoot focused, its that they're also better than thousand son's shooting while either being faster or tougher AND don't have any melee cannon fodder stand in. You could make a new unit for them to work that (which would need GW to not be shit) but taking any current unit is trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

Is it impossible to play assault in hard siege without someone running vanguard or bulwark to keep your health up? The farthest I got was with a vanguard but then we all crashed.

>>531699572
I don't even think long-las and disc goats are that bad. The former can be easily dealt with just by listening for their gun charge sound almost every time and doging at any time during it, and discs only get really bad when you are already overpressured by other units.
But neither are particularly big on fun, they just avoid being unfun for me. The chaos joykill for me is all in the dull potshot game that rubrics play being the main type of gameplay. Delete bolter rubrics and ranged terminators and add that one chaos spawn enemy and chaos would be great for me. But that has about the same odds of happening as them deleting the turret mode off the biovore.

>>531702690
Forgot
and i say this knowing that kroot carnivores are techinically shittier in the melee than tzaangors by default, but tau don't treat kroot the same way chaos treats their fodder, they're meant to be stealth ambushers instead of bullet dumps.

>>531702757
>Is it impossible to play assault in hard siege[...]?
>Is it impossible to play [...] hard siege without someone running vanguard[...]?
The answer to both is theoretically no, not impossible, but unless you're really very good you shouldn't do either. It goes slightly more for playing as assault because getting into the wrong situation can leave you genuinely helpless very easily while no vanguard heal just means you're infinitely more punished for mistakes.

>>531702690
Necrons have other drones (for example the ones added in Kill Team). And like I said I don't like them but they're doable in the system.

>>531703681
>Necrons have other drones (for example the ones added in Kill Team)
What are they?
>And like I said I don't like them but they're doable in the system.
Apologies if it comes off like i'm trying to shit on you, I just hate the very idea unless they turn it into gears of war instead of what they have now and we all know saber is not going to put any effort into changing the systems or map design.

>>531703870
Can't remember the names since I didn't play my Necron friend in a while but they have mostly support functions. Also a medium sized scarab.

>>531704630
i vaguely remembered they couldn't attack at all in 9th edition, but it seems now they do. still i think they would be funnier to fight as an occasional support buffing other necrons rather than cannon fodder

>>531666631
Many retards don't understand this, but you're completely right. Even with just 50% it's a ridiculous amount of free (0 dollars), no risk, directly multiplier to your damage. And you can get up to what 125% more damage? Literally doubling your damage and allowing a class to everything. Tactical is just so ridiculously op right now.

>>531679706
You cannot stagger the carnifex or neurothrope in any way.

>>531677549
>>531680618
absolute shitter gameplay

>>531686689
>>531694821
what the fuck are you niggers doing? rogue trader is almost the only discussed game in crpg general, fucking NEWFAG CANCER kys

>>531709456
what the fuck do you mean, he didn't make any mistake, other than not zooming in

>>531713714
He has no idea what he wants to do and it gives the rubricae all the time in the world to put him on the back foot. He engages in melee then immediately starts holding his S key while hitting some body shots instead of continuing to force staggers.

>>531714163
Post webm

>>531677549
You know what really gets me about this clip? That the fire blast still hits the player. After dodging and being wholly outside the area, it explodes and still hits. It shouldn't need to be a perfectly timed dodge if you're outside the AoE when it hits.

>>531714163
>he's playing safe and using pistol shots to fill time instead of spamming attack into red circle blast to the face like they like to do immediately after teleporting

>>531717648
It's teleporting because he keeps backing off and shooting, switching the AI back into ranged combat mode.

>>531713714
he is playing the class like a total inefficient retard, thats a huge mistake, shitter

>>531722904
you're welcome to post webms of a "correct" assault play. i'll not be holding my breath though.

>>531725617
thin your paints

>>531714163
you will die if you shoulder bash a fire rubricae because you will not be able to dodge out of the circle in time

>>531714163
also you cant stagger enraged enemies. at difficulties higher than ruthless enemies will glow like in the webm

>>531726565
>at difficulties higher than ruthless enemies will glow like in the webm
AAAAAAAAAAY

>>531725617
lols were lold
an odd choice of red for bravens tho

>>531723584
>play like shit
>seethe on 4chan when called out
lmao nigger

There does seem to be some consistency to the odd behavior of the servers recently. I will be able to play for about 1 to 2 games successfully but the next will either fail to join or cut out midway through. I can even attempt to rejoin the match by going to the same mission but it will always fail to connect. Only option is to exit and come back another time.

>>531732918
dont quickplay and turn off crossplay, problem fixed

The HT oneshotted me with his charge

>>531735308
what does HT mean

>>531735923
Hive Tyrant?

>>531734045
Crossplay is off and I'm targeting a specific mission. Problem is not solved.

>>531700286
I don't know, maybe some diversity in enemies would do the game some good. Not that I have any expectations they'll add any new factions in SM2. But for the next one they should definitely go for someone other than T'sons if they have to bring chaos again, maybe Khorne's boys. Also Necrons wouldn't feel so out of place with that Tomb World we discover in the campaign, it all depends on the implementation.

>>531748298
Necrons would be just more of T'sons sans their vomit inducing teleports. Personally I'd like to see orks make come back in the next one.
Hell, make a few factions because why not.

How’s the bolt sniper now? I absolutely hated levelling it up but that was ages ago and i’m a little bored of the las, and I already use the stalker and carbine a lot on tac.

>>531735308
It happened to me the other night when I was helping some friends power level, I had the fucking gene seed as well. 90% HP to dead in one hit

Fists, BTs, Hands and Blood Ravens cosmetic DLC incoming