#1039 Called Roze Edition

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hardstuck plat 3 with maliss edition

Just replaced Imperm with Veiler in my Chimera deck
This deck really doesn't want handtraps that can't be fused
I should have noticed sooner

>>531173162
Maliss is only going to get worse from here in terms of meta. This is peak Maliss power level. Next months we get Ryzeal. And when Maliss gets @Ignister, we'll likely also see Mitsurugi.

Pic rel is full power Maliss WITH Apollousa and @Ignister.

>>531173630
>Next months we get Ryzeal
The current Maliss that we have with March Hare Apo and Link Decoder shits on Ryzeal
We won't get the rest of the deck in your pic until at least 6 months

>>531173813
Lmao. No it doesn't. Ryzeal will also get its full set of toys to play with like Ryu-ge and Maliss did.

Link Decoder and Apo were also in the OCG and Ryzeal performed better there too. Stop living in your fantasy land based off of TCG speculation when you have the OCG as evidence to look at.

>>531173273 (OP)
Thanks for the thread
The Current section needs to be updated though

>>531173970
>Ryzeal will also get its full set of toys to play with like Ryu-ge and Maliss did.
Maliss still doesn't have @ignister support

>>531174007
And Ryzeal will get Mitsurugi when Maliss gets @ignister.

Ryzeal Mitsurugi is far and away much stronger than 100% Maliss.

>>531174108
>TCGshit

>>531173970
>Ryzeal will also get its full set of toys
Which is just Star Ryzeal and nothing else.

>>531174108
>And Ryzeal will get Mitsurugi when Maliss gets @ignister.
So you're saying Ryzeal selection pack gonna be Ryzeal + Mitsurugi + @ignister
Which makes the hypothetical pack the literal best pack to pull because it got absolute zero useless URs

Can't have that mate

>>531174264
Are you retarded?

Next Month Ryzeal
September @ignister + Mitsu

Mitsu comes to the OCG with the World Premier Pack which comes out every year at the end of September. Master Duel tends to get TCG archetypes before OCG as a preview to OCG players. So guess when we're most likely to get Mitsu?

>>531174423
Then that won't be full-power Ryzeal vs full-power Maliss

>>531174423
>Next Month Ryzeal
kek

>>531174478
>Last month Ryu-ge
>This month Maliss
>Next month Ryzeal
Why not?

>>531174467
The moment Ryzeal drops it overshadows Maliss. It's the strongest of the three Crossover Breakers Themes. Look at OCG data.

In August it'll overshadow it. And in September when it gets Mitsu it will VASTLY overshadow it. Look at TCG data.

>>531173630
This format actually looks so fun to play

>>531174665
>The moment Ryzeal drops it overshadows Maliss.
>Look at TCG data.
That was Ryzeal vs Hareless Maliss

>>531173630
>maliss 4th best deck in the game
>ryzeal nowhere to be seen
downplayer sisters how do we explain this one...?

>>531174665
>Look at TCG data.
Whoda though deck that pays LP to make play gonna get screwed in paper where you literally just need to slowplay to win against opponent with lower LP than you

>>531174759
Wrong
https://roadoftheking.com/ocg-2025-01-metagame-report-7-8/

This is Maliss with March Hare and no hits vs. Ryzeal that already took a hit.

>>531174861
Ryzeal got butchered cause it was dominating. And that was without Mitsu. Meanwhile Maliss got no hits.

>Comparing MD with BO3 format where everyone can side Lancea

>>531175017
>OCG
>no hits
Gold Sarc and Allure got hit at that time

>>531175017
>"look at muh tcg data!"
>link ocg
what did he mean by this

>>531175280
>Gold Sarc and Allure got hit at that time
After having their restrictions lessened to shill Malice.

>We still have TROONZEAL downplayers
>All the data and tournaments results are LITERALLY against their agenda of Ryzeal being worse than Malice
>They still fucking refuse to admit it’s the best deck just like trannies refuse to admit they will never be women
And then people wonder why I call Ryzeal players trannies.

>>531175454
you can't say ryzeal is good while in the same breath claiming that lancea is broken

>>531175447
that's in TCG

>>531175540
Lancea is a floodgate that shuts down Malice on the spot if it resolves. It is by definition broken. Also floodgates should be banned but I forget you’re all Joshua Nigger Schmidt viewers here so you’re gonna justify floodgates if it’s against a deck you don’t like.
Have fun getting Dwellered every game by Ryzeal once it’s out btw lol.

>>531175280
>>531175325
>>531175447
Ok anon. See you in.... 3 weeks when Ryzeal comes out, lmao.

>>531175454
>All the data and tournaments results are LITERALLY against their agenda of Ryzeal being worse than Malice
The same data that said Millennium engine is pure garbage

>>531175678
Millenium is the one exception because time wasting troonery isn’t viable in MD. That’s why we also don’t ban Lacrima and such like they did in TCG because people are playing the clock there.
Nice try thoughbeit.

>>531175663
I'm just gonna bring my good ol' trusty thank you very much

>>531175878
Based and winter cherry pilled.
I hope most people will run it just to dab on Ryzeal like they’re doing right now with Lancea against malice.

>>531175782
And I wonder which deck pays LP and thus should be neutered when playing against the clock

>>531175975
Malice has ways to recover LP woven into their engine, which Millenium doesn’t. I know it sounds similar like that but it’s really not.

>>531176081
>Malice has ways to recover LP woven into their engine
Yeah, they can recover 2k LP after they use 3x900+3x300 every turn

>>531175454
Statistically Dragontail is a better deck than Maliss but in practice that deck doesn't feel as busted as Maliss
Same with Ryzeal

>>531176393
Dragontail is fun to play with and against its not just combo FTK trash

>>531176393
That’s feelscrafting. I know Malice feels overwhelming but it’s just not as good as those. It’s not just about ceiling.
However I can’t wait for Dragontail because it’s gonna be really fun for Fusion decks. Same as the DM support.

>>531175540
Yes I can. Watch me.

>>531175878
>>531175946
So, what will you be targeting with that? Deadnader? Dweller? Or Goblin King?

>>531176393
>that deck doesn't feel as busted a
>FEEL
Facts don't care about your feelings.

>>531176393
Dracotail feels like a deck for furries. I don't like it.

>actually likes Malice and want to make it my main deck
>have to wait for Ryzeal to release for metaplayers to hop onto new big thing so ladder stops putting every Malice hate techs in their decks
Sad...

>>531180095
Stop it.
This thread is going to try and gaslight you into believing Lancea is fair.

I hope people already stop maining Lancea by the time we get the new Orcust support

>spent all my gems on meta Maliss bullshit
>found it boring and went back to my ninja deck

4 in a row against mypiss into Master V
>im salty because after 7k gems I am still 8 urs short of Maliss deck

>>531177851
I can live one turn without using my GY
Ryzeal can't live without having deadnamer

>>531183308
>memento
I will only sympathize if you show me your deck and there isn't pair a dice smasher there.

>>531184196
i-it doesn't come up that often(didn't come up once in that maliss streak)

>goes first
>Sets 2 passes
>Activates Droplet on my Rabbit like an idiot thinking that's gonna do anything rather than saving it for a more important choke point.
>I Sarc Dormouse for Rabbit, Link into Splash mage
>He holds response, and just sits there for 300 seconds because he raged I extended past his wasted negate
So this is the kind of person that's always bitching about Maliss in these threads. Soulburner, I know you're in here.Just scoop with some dignity bro.

I love BE Primite lads

sex with lara

>DDD top

That's unexpected.

>>531188175
>maliss
>choke point

>>531189895
You really should stop watching Yugitubbers.

>>531173630
Isn't it crazy that Fiendsmith got powercrept already?
>But they were hit in the OCG
Doesn't matter, none of the top 4 deck would use Fiendsmith anyway

>>531190689
Not that anon but there's literally no good spot to imperm except the normal summon.
Saving Imperm for Ransom is retarded because they can just make S:P/Lizardose to banish it and go full combo, you only get rid of their Apo

Has any other playerbase got fucked harder than Brandedfags? MD released mats, uncrafteable alt cards and other shit and then made the deck unplayable by releasing Maliss, kek

>>531192971
Branded has been meta for over like 3 years now and it's fine into Maliss

>Load into game
>Get soft locked with this on the screen
Ominous

>>531190689
show me the maliss chokepoint off one negate

>>531192971
The anti maliss techs just hurt Branded too but it's not too bad

>>531192971
Branded has recieved a literal endless stream of busted support since it released and is still getting more
No Brandednigger gets to complain about being hard done to

>>531192775
Using it on Rabbit is THE worst point to use your Droplet. And he had Droplet, not imperm. Also, you can use Droplet on Splash Mage or Ransom, those are better points than imperm. Plus, he had some other interaction since he got priority after I summoned Splash Mage.

>>531193775
Dormouse Normal Summon//Activate Effect
Red Ransom search Field
Ghost Belle on March Hare

I can think of others, but those are likely to stop them on a bad hand, and will severely limit their options on most hands, meaning a second hand-traps will most certainly stop them completely
>But why can't I stop them with one hand trap.
Because it's 2025 and decks haven't been designed to be stopped by a single Handtrap since POTE, asking for that is irrational at this point.

>>531192971
I literally haven’t lost a single game into Malice playing branded.
Either you’re retarded or a branded player pretending the deck is shit, I know not which.
The only issue we’ve got is Lancea cucking your Albion line and turning off cards like Golden Swordsoul, Branded Sword etc etc… but the deck is so layered it hardly ever matters.
Branded literally has never been bad and it’s arguably one of the best deck this season yet again.

>>531194582
>why can’t I stop it with one hand trap
You can. It’s called floodgates and people happily defend them.

>>531194729
>I literally haven’t lost a single game into Malice playing branded.
come on stop lying. with their end board and how many cards they draw and impulse and white binder disrupting your graveyard it's very hard to play into them. you stop them before it like everyone else. it's not like snake eyes where branded could so often break the field and win.

>>531194582
If he ONLY had Droplet then there's no difference between using droplet on rabbit or splash mage, both force you to have an extender anyway
Also negating Ransom search effect does nothing because Ransom + Decoder into S:P banish Ransom in the GY is combo anyway

>>531195128
You can break the Malice board on branded, and the GY disruption? Tears did that as well and you still win against it (at least the current form).
Obviously people won’t always win their game and I’m bound to lose at some point, it’s inevitable.
But all of you need to fucking stop pretending Branded is some sort of helpless deck into Malice. Without feeling the need to run Lancea either btw, other decks being carried by that floodgate.
So fucking tired of Branded down players.

>>531195108
no shit people are playing floodgates to prevent ftks how is that surprising?

I simply topdeck lightning storm and droplet

>>531195719
They’re little bitches with double standards carried by their floodgates. That’s all it is.
Cope and seethe and dilate all you want btw. All floodgates should be banned.

>>531195952
its not double standards at all
I think every single person who plays lancea would be happy to see it banned as long as maliss was significantly nerfed, same as every other dumb fuck floodgate and FTK

you cant call for killing shifter while tear was at full power, you cant call for killing droll while SHS is at full power and you cant call for killing lancea while maliss is at full power
none of these decks should exist in the first place

>>531195378
>You can break the Malice board on branded
and then lose to the follow up and the 8 cards in hand, if you didn't get maxx c'd. their followup will be better than yours. I didn't say Branded is helpless but it is hurt by the popular cards right now. golden sarc? chain lancea. called by for the branded fusion? chain impulse. mirrorjade's banish isn't so good into them. anyway the deck is still very playable but I'm curious how you are doing it without the floodgate. because without albion recycling lancea I would be losing way more often

>>531195262
You don't do Decoder off of Rabbit normal Summon opener.

>>531173630
>Maliss 4th most represented deck
So is this suppose to be bad or something? Being a top 5 deck in a pretty varied meta sounds good to me

>>531196246
>But Maliss is tier 0!! It should be NERFED
Fucking delusional, lmao.

>no thrusts
>baldrake AND druiswurm
>fucking masquerade
>2 super poly
>1 quem
>1 mirrorjade
>proskenion
that's gonna be a kekw from me mate

>>531196479
Haven’t had trouble with this list and as you see, no Lancea.
Only thing I change is the ED because sometimes I feel like I need 2 Granguignol and also Proskenion.
Is it the best list? Maybe not. It works and that’s what matters.

>>531197270
There's still 0 reason to imperm/droplet on Ransom over the normal summon rabbit except you're now putting March Hare in the GY and giving them Ransom on the field which if sent to the GY make any topdeck Bystial or March Hare insane

>>531197391
It's no.4 at MAX power. Yet this thread is pretending the deck is massively overpowered and needs to be radically nerfed. See >>531196246

He's saying you can't touch Lancea while the Maliss menace exists.

>>531197408
are you the same guy complaining that you couldn't get above a 10% wr with maliss kek?
enjoy seething about it I guess but Lancea will never be hit

>>531197609
You're dumb. Lmao.

You imperm/droplet Ransom and you severely limit their options on follow up. Especially since he had more interaction. Using it on the normal summon accomplishes nothing at all, you want to stop them from getting to White Binder, which btw, is another good negate.

Ghost Belle on GWC or a negate on Binder reset GWC will fuck Maliss hard.

White Binder is the centerpiece and strongest card in the deck, not Red Ransom. So your goal when hitting Ransom is to stop them from getting to Binder (which needs three bodies) by counting how many monsters they revived through banish.

>>531197782
honestly if Maliss is the 4th best desk with support that isn't even in the game yet, that just makes me a little terrified at what the other three are doing that make it better then that

>>531198079
I'm the guy who used math to back up the guy correctly complaining about a shitty floodgate. Maliss has a guaranteed loss of 23% with Lancea at 3. That's a mathematical fact.

>>531197573
okay thanks for the list

>>531198202
Ryzeal and Mitsurugi are also better, but the latter got butchered by the Banlist.

So if Ryzeal were at full power, Maliss would be the 5th best. Also Orcust is also very good too. So people pretending Maliss is some untouchable Tier 0 deck like Tears are fucking idiots.

>>531198312
if a deck has a guaranteed loss of 23% and its still the best deck in the game that should really tell you how absolutely bullshit it is when its allowed to play

what type of dumbass archtype name is voiceless voice

>>531197573
>>531198425
NTA, but running 3x Lancea on a 60 card deck is also a bad call as you're severely limiting your odds of drawing it when you need it, which is likely why you're struggling too.

Like the other guy said, Lancea is a crutch for bad players.

>>531198591
silenforc my beloved...

>>531198493
I'm not the person arguing that, but I have a lot of trouble with Maliss as is personally, so seeing that it's not even close to the best with stuff we don't have in competition terrifies me

>>531198425
It’s not a foolproof list. Remember if you start losing to some matchups you might want to change a few things.
If you REALLY need Lancea, add it in and remove maybe foolish and what not. You can also just run 1 Cartesia but under no circumstances do I recommend less than 2 Quem. She’s your best card in the fucking deck.
As for the ED feel free to remove LADD if you wanna, it’s pretty greedy but it can win you games on the spot. Think of it like Typhon.

>>531198661
That's not what crutch means

sex with Sky Striker Aces

>>531198550
>its still the best deck in the game
It's not really though. It's true power is hard to measure as it's brand new and people are adapting to it. Tons of decks are able to play into it just fine, and we're seeing its tournament results steadily drop from when it first came out. It's just massively overrepresented because it's extremely popular. If over 70% of tourney entrants are playing Maliss, but the top cut only sees 45% then what does that say?

Not to mention latest results dropped it down to 25% of the top cut.

Compare that to the over 50% it had when it came out.

What does that tell you about the deck's actual power?

You can jerk off to the art without downplaying the deck jesus fucking christ anons

>>531198859
I think you need to learn to read between the lines.

Lancea is a crutch bad players play to net free wins off the current most popular deck.

Putting it into a 60 card deck makes the card worse because now you have three bricks you're less likely to draw when you need it. Rather than opening it 33% of the time, you now open it like 20% of the time.

You don't need Lancea to win, that deck space better serves you with more useful cards.

Stop relying on the shitty silver bullet crutch and build a stronger well rounded deck with a higher power ceiling and more flexibility.

Capiche?

malis is kinda fucking disgusting i love playing 12 cards in my opponents turn

>>531198168
>Using it on the normal summon accomplishes nothing at all
Using it on any normal forces your opponent to have an extender, there's no other better imperm or droplet target because as I said, negating Ransom accomplishes the same thing except now they have March Hare in the GY and Ransom on the field, which is harder to out than whatever they normal summoned. Also make any top deck Hare/Bystial even more cracked.
>negate on Binder reset GWC will fuck Maliss hard
lol negating White Binder's reset does fuck all because March Hare is already an extra copy of GWC
>So your goal when hitting Ransom is to stop them from getting to Binder
And the easiest way to do that is to just negate whatever they normal summoned. Negating both the normal and the Ransom both force you to have an extender, except if you negate ransom you have to make sure you can out the 2300 body or any handtrap into S:P/Lizardose is gonna fuck you up.

>>531199376
I don't care about your retarded takes on the deck I'm just saying that's not what the word crutch means

>>531199491
Ok, well you keep on negating my normal summon and rage quitting when it does nothing then.

>>531199671
Yeah and PLEASE negate my Ransom instead I'm begging you.

>>531199636
You're a fucking imbecile that needs to take reading lessons.

>maliss players trying to convince us all that playing Lancea is bad actually
do you honestly think im gonna fall for that?

>>531199752
Not getting access to Field Spell or Mirror is much worse than having to use Binder to search out GWC instead of using Rabbit.

>>531199935
If you're running 60 card Branded it's a bad idea.

It's fine in a 40 card deck with lots of room for HTs, which is why Tempai is seeing a resurgence.

Why is this general so fast today? Did all the /v/ rejects decide to post here as well?

>>531200054
Field spell access does not matter if you open Dormouse, and if you open Rabbit you always grab MTP for Hare and go for the splash mage line, in which case there's an argument to negate the splash mage over the Rabbit but there's absolutely 0 reason to negate the fucking Ransom effect instead

>>531175454
>claims robots are tranny bait
You're such a faggot that it defies explanation.

>Thread STILL melting down over Maliss

>>531180173
It is fair. It only fucks over 4 specific decks and all of them deserve total death.

I like trains

>>531201141
Ghoti did nothing wrong

>>531201325
Can't interact with it otherwise and it nukes my field, multiple times. Nah, total fish death.

>>531200642
Detonator kills itself to dodge stuff.
That’s tranny behaviour.
I don’t make the rules, that’s how it works. Memento is hypertranny deck since everything is about killing yourdelf.
Using LP to activate effect is emo. And so on and so forth.

>TRANNYTRANNYTRANNYTRANNYTRANNY
can /v/ fuck off already?

>>531203153
Go home ben robinson

>hard stuck in master 3
>literally win one lose one
>go first
>win
>go second
>lose

>>531203000
>Using LP to activate effect is emo.
you better not be talking shit about my Dinomorphia, the only one allowed to change my LP is me, no one else gets that privilege

>>531203000
>the monsters are foolishing themselves like troons xddd
by your dumb logic any person using an archetype with a tribute mechanic, including Maliss with their traps (haha get it? tr-) or just using zombies including fucking Ash Blossom is a tranny.
/v/ broke your brain, there is only one real fag deck

>>531206816
Malice is banishing. That’s not destroying.
>/v/ broke your mind
I think you should tell that to the actual shounen nigger shitting up every thread and calling everything tranny instead but somehow you are not there when he’s shitposting. Funny how that works.
Also stop posting that disgusting creature.
>>531206165
I’m sorry anon, but Kentrengina is emo. Hurting herself makes her feel good.

>>531208116
You think it's just one person eh?

>>531208116
you know what I don't care if she's emo, she's my emo dammit, we'll get new support someday! she can be as emo as she wants

>>531173273 (OP)
we already had a sex thread not too long ago.
that OP image makes us look like degenerates in the catalog.

Why is Konami still 4kidsing their card art

>>531212128
so they can sell the "lost" arts to you later

Can someone recommend a good deck that is simple to use and would instead allow me to focus on countering other decks and learn the game?

bonus points if it has anime girls or cool guys with armor

>>531212927
Labrynth

>win the last 4 duels in a row from handtraps and not my deck itself
feels good man

>>531212927
Ninjas
>spoiler
I guess Mitsu is cute

>>531208703
NTA but yes.
All it take to stop this are IDs.

>>531210219
>that OP image makes us look like degenerates in the catalog
fair but compared to whom exactly?

is Trickstar playable? I don't need it to be meta or whatever but I love the vibes and the gameplan

>>531214921
xivg

>>531215040
they unbanned reincarnation so, yeah sure, follow your dreams. just make sure you win the coinflip.

>sprightard opponent summoned the monster negate instead of the spell negate
ohohohoho
another free victory for me

>>531212927
Most backrow heavy control decks that isn't just pure stun maybe what youre looking for. They tend to be flexible with interchangable tech cards and rewards match up knowledge. Consistency is sometimes the issue with these decks besides going second, but that does sometimes teaches you to work with the tools that you have.

Lab, Paleo, Lair of Darkness (with or without Bystials), phantasm spiral and traptrix are ones that come to mind for backrow control decks that are not just pure counter trap heavy decks like dinomorphia or counter faries. Counter traps are fine but they are in the same vein as omni negates in terms level of interaction.

As the other anon mention, Ninjas are another good control deck thay requires 3 structure decks a few UR to upgrade to a standard build.

>mankos can equip the spell negate equip in response to branded to negate branded fusion even under branded loss
what the fuck is this bullshit

>>531215754
>>531213154
>>531213516
thanks will try Ninjas then build Labrynth.

>>531173273 (OP)
Ray is so lucky, but so is Roze

>>531215965
You now understand Branded Loss is a worthless UR

>>531215965
Yeah cause the equip's effect is conditional, not activated.

>>531215965
Not that anon but i don't understand either. How could the ring negate when branded lost protects from negation?

>>531217716
It only protects negation effects that say "negate the activation". It's the same reason as to why Ash Blossom will still work on Branded Fusion

>>531215040
>>531215540
Even better if the opp maxxc's you. just search reincarnation in front of their fucking faces and have droll, lycoris and/or called by ready to fuck them up

>>531217942
That's dumb, why couldn't branded lost protect from any kind of negation instead of just "''activation"" negation?

>>531214227
Nah, ID's were gay and retarded

>>531212927
True draco is cheap and easy to play

>>531219081
>t. tranny spammer

>>531200523
150 posts in 9 hours is considered fast in these parts?

>>531200523
we're too dead to reject perverts, HIMfags, /v/tards, Duel Chink troons, Flush fags, and Cross Dress (cross duel) sissies.

You can't stop me from getting my gems brother.

>>531212927
Sky Striker, maybe? It's a blind 2nd deck so you have to learn where to handtrap meta decks or how to break meta boards (it can be built either handtrap-heavy or boardbreaker-heavy) and it stars a cute anime girl who fights with cool mecha armor. Right now it's only rogue tier, but it has upcoming support that will make it meta again in like half a year or so. Or if you want to win now, you can combine the Sky Striker spells with Tenpai Dragon monsters for a really good boardbreaker-focused blind 2nd deck.

I also agree with the other recommendations of Labrynth.

>>531221947
wait there is a mahjong daisangen deck? that sounds cool

Another 1k gems brothers, that make 5k invested in SS... not very good...

>>531222574
You will not learn Yu-Gi-Oh while playing Tenpai. Also they are gutted in MD

This deck is way too stressful every game is a race against the timer holy fuck and you’re free styling your combo with all these plays so you have to think what you’re going to do between interruptions bugs are hard

>>531222574
It's considered cancer for a reason.
I personally only play Sky Striker pure.

>>531222928
Any change brothers ? I might just craft the rest, I wanna try my luck building Ryzeal and start saving gems, my Gundam soul would hate if I didn't pull a bit of it.

Thanks for the help.

>>531223015
Why wouldn’t you just deck them out you opened elder cannahawk that’s a gazillion summons under 3 maxx c

>>531222574
Tenpai Dragons are the best blind 2nd deck in the game right now, even after multiple banlist hits. You can play them either pure with a bunch of handtraps or (as I mentioned above) mixed with boardbreakers and Sky Striker spells. Sadly, there's no pack for them right now (selection pack expired, no secret pack yet) so building the deck would require a lot of UR material to craft the cards.

>>531212927
you can throw together a pretty cheap Lab deck without much issue

No one plays mill decks anymore huh

got an account with 15k and have never played ygo before, what is a good deck to start learning the ropes?

>>531223173
Remove 1 Lightning Storm, add 2 (maybe even 3) Evenly Matched.
Remove 1 Triple Tactics (your choice of which one), add 1 Hornet Drones.
Remove Eagle Booster, most of the time it's a brick.
Remove Dharc and Accesscode, they serve no purpose.
You may want to consider 1 Pot of Avarice for long game and situationally Area Zero which can be used as a removal when combined with Widow Anchor for when SP and Zeke are already used up.

>>531224213
Almost every deck benefits from their shit being sent to the GY, and even Runick, the deck that mills by banishing instead, now has to deal with Maliss benefitting from their shit being banished. The only way a mill deck could ever work in modern Yu-Gi-Oh is if they printed cards that milled by banishing face-down, and that sounds toxic as fuck and probably shouldn't exist.

>>531224213
What Kashtira does is basically a more effective version of milling, I wouldn't want lots of different archtypes being able to do what it does either

>>531224834
>Remove 1 Lightning Storm, add 2 (maybe even 3) Evenly Matched.
ok
>Remove 1 Triple Tactics (your choice of which one), add 1 Hornet Drones.
That would make 2 hornet drones, isn't that too much ? Almost nobody play it at 2, and its 42% at 1.
>Remove Eagle Booster, most of the time it's a brick.
ok
>Remove Dharc and Accesscode, they serve no purpose.
idk about this, i find it very useful, especially now since maliss is everywhere and we don't have zero yet. I'll look into it.
>You may want to consider 1 Pot of Avarice for long game and situationally Area Zero which can be used as a removal when combined with Widow Anchor for when SP and Zeke are already used up.
I hate pot of avarice, that shit ban face down, whats the use ? Ok for Area zero, will look into it too.

Thanks brother.

>>531225962
>That would make 2 hornet drones, isn't that too much ? Almost nobody play it at 2, and its 42% at 1.
Because you only run 2 Raye and you want 3 spells in your GY ASAP.
>I hate pot of avarice, that shit ban face down
Wrong card, you're thinking of Pot of Desire.

>>531226868
I see thanks. More like that then ? I removed Upstart Goblin, I never liked it, is it really necessary ?

I like non linear combo decks like WF or Unchained. Is maliss more of a follow spreadsheet combo deck or make your own combos kinda thing?

>>531224780
should probably just wait for ryzeal, it should be next month MAYBE the month after if Konami are being jews

>>531228146
>non linear combo decks
>WF or Unchained

>>531220220
IT'SSSSS ONEEEE PERSONNNNNN!!!!!

>>531223690
>Lab
>cheap
I'll be real with you anon, I don't agree with you

stop maindecking lancea and let me play black souls in cyberspace in peace

>>531228504
but I don't want to wait

>>531228674
It's really not that bad, the deck core might have a few more UR than the REALLY budget decks
>1x Lovely
>1-2x Lady
>3x Big Welcome
>1-2x Welcome
But all those cards are all in the same secret pack, there's no extra deck to eat up even more of your crafting points and Lab is one of the only decks in the game that can happily skip the Maxx C tax
And there are tons of strong budget traps to throw in to fill in the gaps. Most other archetypes can't just make 2/3rds of their decklist N/R on a whim

>>531222928
why don't you wait until the new support is out and the secret pack is updated? you might even get the alt art back

So what're we running in the under5 event? Im only 2 years into this game and I dont know shit about cards printed before adamancipators. Im assuming there's probably an older, outdated engine that can spit out 3s or 5s or something. is Bagooska banned?

>>531230084
>>531228674
different anon, I can see both your sides, I have a budget lab deck and a crazy mill engine lab deck thats got more URs than Rs. I think its functional without the big name fillers, but the amount of options viable in the current meta are expensive. 3 Daruma/Transaction

>>531228542
I dont how to explain it, but I prefer combo decks where u can just figure out stuff on the fly and try to adapt instead of having to watch some youtube combo videos. Less about 1 card combos more about adapting to whatever gets handtrapped

>>531230330
i actually have no fucking clue. i thought about playing madolche or something. or just rank 4 spam in general i guess

>>531230330
this feels like an Xyz or Link themed thing and I don't really have a deck of either of those types so I guess it's just loaners for me

>>531230330
The first thing I thought of was sprights. The problem, for them and a bunch of others too, is that links and XYZs aren't legal.

>>531228146
it's a spreadsheet deck that has an above-average number of branching options to play through disruption
however you'll still be taking 5 minutes to resolve your uninterrupted dormouse combos a bunch so if that's a dealbreaker look for something else

>>531231478
>links and Xyzs aren't legal
I don't know about Links but 2 of the Loaners are Xyz decks, so

>>531229596
>>531224780
Right now I'd probably recommend Centur-ion or Millennium as the easiest new player decks
I'd love to say Blue-Eyes because the whole deck feels tailor-made for new players but Konami made it expensive and most of the cards are craft-only so it's much harder to build

>>531230330
Goblins are almost fully legal outside of your level 6 access. So it's basically pre-support Goblins which were... fine I guess
2/3 loaners are XYZ so that works to my advantage

>>531228146
>>531230862
Isn't this just all combo decks now? Even the big combo decks lately aren't linear at all, they're all built with the assumption of getting handtrapped and having to extend past it

>>531231726
Yeah sorry I meant just links. That alone still kills spright though

whats the best package i can run in maliss so i dont autolose to lancea
>just scoop lol
no fuck you there has to be something better than linguriboh pass

>>531231761
The real issue with Goblins is the event is that Armor Fortress+Dark Knight Lancer are banned. That's far worse than losing Gone Wild. You really want accedss to Full Armored Xyz so you can make use of all the bodies you can summon on their turn with Clatter Sploder.

>>531232789
fiendslop or mathmech

>>531232932
Yeah it's gonna be scuffed but it does seem like outside of the loaners nobody really has figured out what they're gonna play so it should be a reasonably low power event
Gabonga, Gossip Shadow and Exagard should be enough to see me through

>under 5 event tomorrow
>no idea what I want to play
Are sprights like playable at all without links? I have no fucking clue what to play

all this talk about the under 5 event has reminded me I've never played an Xyz dedicated deck before, and now I'm getting curious about it, I'm somewhere between Purrely and Sharks since all their cards are rollable, I could go for something cheaper but it's the one playstyle I honestly know nothing about and honestly Galaxy seems like a trap with all the Tachyon stuff needing to be crafted now

>>531233589
there is a sharks loaner lil bro

>>531232789
a small mathmech package if you already play terahertz maybe? like 3 circulars, 1 sigma, 1 diameter and 1 superfactorial
or the usual fiendshit so you can apo/caesar + fiendshit in paradise in GY pass, I've played against it a couple times
honestly just take the L and move on

>>531233589
Sharks are a lot of fun but it's pretty damn expensive thanks to the non-generic ED+Seventh cards being so important.
>>531233657
Using Big Jaws as an extender in a rank 4 deck does not make it a Shark deck.

>>531230201
I'm done anyway, I crafted what was missing, costed me 300 UR dust. Also 5k gems but at least its done. I'll get more familiar with the deck so i'm ready when Zero and Lemnis Gate are out. At first glance, the first few duel showed me its incredibly "top deckish", I really need a good hand since I'm letting my opponent so much freedom. I've lost against complete scrub, Sad.

>>531234183
>has sharks cards
>not a shark deck

>>531224213
I love my tear shaddoll fiendsmith deck, it's kinda bricky but resolving grass feels amazing

>>531234445
Yes, you've figured it out.

>>531230330
loaner. My exodia, red dragon, dragonmaid and maliss deck are all banned, fuck me. My account is too young to build anything.

>>531230330
might just make a suship deck of my own since it has no URs, either that or I'll play spright, maybe lunalight XYZ spam

>>531234446
>I love my [bullshit archetype] [totally soulful archetype uwu] [bullshit archetype] deck when I use [bullshit card]

>>531234894
Why are you getting so mad that he likes his deck?

>>531230330
Update on my post, I have brought together the least consistent rank 3/4 pile using galaxy-photon and goblin bikers. The wincon is blind going second, spamming hand traps and then summoning Utopia for double or nothing win, or Big Gobonga for game.
I dont have to win, I just have to hit my opponent enough times to demoralize them, then pretend I have a winning combo and make them quit thinking they already lost. Mind games.

>>531233364
shadolls
winda is lvl 5

>look at combo guide
>it's 10 steps but looks simple
>still going "huh" at learning it
do i just like practice in solo duels so i won't need to worry about getting cucked by the timer

>>531235008
bro your terrortop+takatomborg+etele+psychic wheeleder+psychic tracker????

>>531236458
download an emulator like Edopro, you can practice any starter hand you want, it's way more efficient than playing Solo Duels

>>531236458
I do it in EDOpro instead just because the animations/load times are way faster and you can customize your hand in test games

>>531233364
Assembled Nightingale OTK

>>531236876
Hey man, I just put the cards in the bag and run it, its gonna work, trust me, I can see the future and I always know my opponent's hand, AND I always draw the out.
Jokes aside Im actually focusing on the Utopia wincon and using the goblins as going second power cards against opponents playing Xyz since its likely to be common in the event

>>531236458
I'd suggest finding one or two basic combos, practicing them in solo mode until you can do them without thinking much, and then take it from there. Learning a simple combo helps memorize what your cards do and how to get the most out of the way they interact with each other, but you're not going to learn the deck as a whole until you are forced to play out all the weird hands and discover the other options available thanks to getting hand trapped and whatever.
It's a process that gets much easier as you get more used to the game in general and learn more decks.

>>531237528
Goblins' anti-xyz capabilities are hugely overstated. Generally an xyz monster will be a once per turn with 2 materials on it and you're only going to steal one material from it before it gets the opportunity to fire off its effect with the other material. At best all you can expect is that they extend a bit easier vs xyz boards. It's still strong going first vs Xyz/synchro/link decks though since they're really good at spamming monster removal.
obviously their detaching matters far more vs Ryzeal though

>>531230330
Madolche looks good, you're only missing the link 3

>>531231761
>Right now I'd probably recommend Centur-ion or Millennium as the easiest new player decks
Is there a guide/tutorial I can follow? how to get the cards for it

>>531173014
how did this happen, if supposedly bystial fiendsmith is a bad matchup vs maliss?

>going second
>opponent forces me to go first
>kinda bricked, but put up a board, pass on darkfluid
>opp pauses for 60 seconds
>suddenly has santa claws, immediately starts comboing

>going second
>opponent has 3 starters and I only have 2 interruptions
>it's fucking hero so it's a nigger board I have to deal with
>also has ash as soon as I can play anything

>going second, again!
>got droll, hit opponent with it
>they have called by

yeah man this game totally isn't fucking gay as hell sometimes

I don't know what makes Blue Eyes players such scummy retards.

>>531244702
>Nooo you can't main deck cards that counter my tier 0 slop!!!

>>531243291
Bad match up doesn't mean it'll literally always lose

>>531245012
>I LOVE PLAYING STUN IT HURTS MY BRAIN TO PLAY A NORMAL GAME

>>531245285
He's not playing a stun deck but he does have stun cards that specifically target the current tier 0 deck. Which is good and valid.

>>531244702
>could be playing chaos hunter instead
Lancea is their only out to Malice if they go second. They just made their going-first turn WAY worse for no reason.

>>531245285
Says the guy who wants to set up his unstoppable turn 1 board

>>531245624
He is mindbroken and running conflicting cards and gave up on competing by adding Skill Drain. It's not valid it's pathetic
>>531245961
I don't play Malice but I do play Bystials. The two copies btw

>played for maybe 10 mins on Steam years ago
>now can't link my main account played on my phone to my steam account
FUCK

alright I've been planning out decks for a while since I'm still pretty new and I've mostly figured out my future focuses unless they drop some new structure that's appealing I'd instantly go for a Six Sam structure
so far I've only gotten CDA, TD, DM, Ninja, Maids, Zombies and Dinomorphia, also got a Blackwings down there
how fucked am I for the foreseeable future

>>531246408
I don't understand what you're asking
If you've got Dinomorphia built you're fine its consistently very strong

PFFFTHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>531246247
Skill Drain has always been a thing in Blue Eyes, it just got less popular with the support.
Its one of their big back ups because most decks can't compete with the big 3k vanillas without monster effects and if they had Tyrant out already its immune.

>>531243160
>how to get the cards for it
>masterduelmeta.com/secret-packs
Find the Secret Pack that has what you want and craft an SR from it to unlock the pack

>run self ftk deck
>opponent hand traps my shit

Who's you're floodgatefu?

For me, it's Kairyu Shin

>Mimighoul is actually super easy and has only the most simple of combos
Oh thank fuck. I know what I'm playing tonight
>>531250790
Pic related. He's seen me through basically every single fusion event since MD started

>>531250790
>level 5
ooh is this available for the u5 event?

>>531247142
Oh how, how are you liking that deck? I've been trying it, fucking up plays left and right, not really sure what my goal is when playing. Seems really cool though.

>>531251439
Doesn't seem to be. Only thing you'd be missing for an Umi deck it seems is Whale and Fisherman.

>>531245012
Maliss isn't Tier 0

>>531245624
Maliss isn't Tier 0

>>531251708
>>531251887
Cope and mald, autist.

>>531250790
any engine I could use with it to make at least one stealth kragen or abyss dweller?

>Opponent goes first
>Spends 5 minutes building their board
>Scoops the second he sees I'm playing Eldlich
A win is a win I suppose.

>>531251476
I like it a lot it's fun
>I've been trying it, fucking up plays left and right, not really sure what my goal is when playing
I play it as a go second deck. My goal is
>resolve reasoning
>get access to a way to start the fusion summons
>do a search with Mu Rcielago if needed or remove a card with Eerysichthon
>get into Saint Azamina into Moa Regina and start popping
>summon Silvia or Eerysichthon on the opponent's turn for a negate or a removal

Here is the deck anyway it's for the event

>>531252493
Fish Sonar and Dark Reef can summon Normal/effect monsters level 6 and below. Maybe the Terrorking cards too, since Legendary Ocean is gonna fuck you up if you try to use level 4s.

To be fair, what the fuck is that board he made? How did he screw up that badly?

>>531252093
Stop getting your opinions from mouthbreathing sycophants on YouTube.

>>531253591
How come every single idiot on YouTube is calling this a Tier 0 deck?

>>531253937
Why don't you tell us, in your own words, what Malice does that none of the other top decks do as well, besides instantly losing to 1 hand trap?

>>531253524
Meant for >>531252727

>>531254295
His exact words:
>Maliss is the strongest deck to come to Master Duel aside from Tearlaments.

>>531249112
What would it be for centur-ion/millennium? which one has the most babes in it? sorry for being such a newfag

>>531253937
it made you post a screenshot now didn't it

>>531254481
NTA, but I wouldn't recommend Centurion as a deck for anyone new to the game.

I think Chimera is a better beginner deck, has a cute DMG clone, easy to learn, relatively cheap, and extremely flexible to upgrade. You can build it pure first, then get Fiendsmith Engine, then get Azamina cards, and literally every time new Illusion support is printed, it's an upgrade.

>>531254436
With reading comprehension like that it's no wonder you're struggling

>>531254756
this is an insane take centurion is really easy and chimera is absurdly complex

>>531254481
millennium doesnt have a pack yet
centur-ions pack is "True Awakening of the Oathbound Knights"

>>531252938
That's the thing, I have yet to be able to resolve reasoning. The one time I drew it, it got ash'd. I don't think I had much to bait the ash, so yeah.

And people keep nontargeting my saint azamina, it makes me sad. Doesn't seem like there's any way to protect her from destruction. Raigeki has been killing me.

>>531254756
>but I wouldn't recommend Centurion as a deck for anyone new to the game.
>I think Chimera is a better beginner deck
Anon, what the fuck.

>>531255240
Do you play Thrust? Reasoning isn't once per turn.
>Doesn't seem like there's any way to protect her from destruction. Raigeki has been killing me.
summon Silvia. End on Diabellze and destroy the set card. If you resolve reasoning you will have more options for follow up so just add Thrust.

>>531255726
Nah, don't have thrust. It's on my to-craft list, but I've been hoping it and a few other staples will get reprinted in one of those quarterly "meta" packs. I keep forgetting about silvia too. Anyway, I'll practice more, it's fun even as a shitter.

>>531252938
>Moa Regina
I REFUSE to spend the 30 UR for this. Or at least not until Ryzeal comes out since I know I'm going to have to craft a shit load of rank 4 generics + 7th

>>531250790
I love how she's just powerful enough to alter the way your opponent play but not enough to absolutely kill them

>>531256330
>I love how she's just powerful enough to alter the way your opponent play but not enough to absolutely kill them
Why would you love that she's limp wristed and shitty?

>>531254295
Being able to play through all other handtraps.

>>531256450
Because I actually like playing yugioh.

>>531256779
Cuck.

>>531255919
yeah you really need thrust. I only got the third copy recently myself, good luck
>>531256294
Moa Regina is worth it desu I love that abomination

>>531218793
it is but card text is overly literal. Lawyer-ass fucking game

Thanks, can't wait to play it when S:P gets banned haha...

>>531256849
NTA but how does liking the game we're all here to talk about make one a cuck?

>>531256849
I like controlling more than straight stunning. No need to be so hostile lol

>>531252093
Wow! Malice de-throned Tear 0?!

>>531254436
Malice loses to Lava golem + red reboot. Not quite the same as Tear which was still winning through shifter. The gap between the 2 is unreal and I'd say FTK's and full hand rip decks are way stronger than Malice.

>>531257242
Unicorn is still good in events since SP is banned a lot (like this current one) and when you don't have anything else to put in your extra deck since a spin is always strong.

>had the Spellbook structure for a while, used it occasionally
>"hey wait, I don't remember rolling this Fortune Lady Synchro"
>didn't even realize Fortune Lady had modern cards
>and the Synchro isn't actually that bad
...I'm getting bad thoughts, I need to test this on my sim

>>531257921
>Lava golem + red reboot
March Hare hand eff, response?

>>531258142
No response, nothing happened.

>>531257921
>Lava golem
kek, bro thinks malice's end board is actually the two monsters they end the turn with

>>531255674
>>531254969
Imo, pure Chimera is extremely simple. Normal Summon Mirror Knight > Summon Berfomet > Get Chimera Fusion + Beast > Fuse into Chimera > Berfomet resummon Mirror Knight for next turn, Gazelle gets Illusion monster for Follow up > Reset Chimera Fusion, and on their turn fuse into Guardian Chimera.

It's an extremely simple line and you can slowly learn the intricacies of the deck as you upgrade it. It'll also have way more legs than Centurion synchroslop.

Also just an aside, but every newbie should get told to build Sky Striker within their first 3 decks, as it's the deck that will teach people to play well.

>>531258264
Okay, banish White Binder, White Binder special itself on summon effect target Ransom + Rabbit + Crypter in GY
Crypter banish your card, Rabbit set MTP to banish another card

>>531258513
Oh no.... Two Banishes.....

>>531258667
Oh don't forget that I drew 3 cards last turn and another card this turn with White Binder :)

>>531258462
>Also just an aside, but every newbie should get told to build Sky Striker within their first 3 decks, as it's the deck that will teach people to play well.
Is there even a budget version of sky striker? So many URs.

>>531258952
Oh no!!! They drew CARDS!!! Oh the humanity!!! Tier 0 deck! They DRAW CARDS!! Can you BELIEVE it?

>>531259256
There's budget options for a lot of the board breakers but not really. You're looking at about 8ish URs for the main core regardless.

>>531259257
Yea idk, why would I not worry about them and their high chance of drawing more disruption

sex with little knight

this card is impossible to deal with

>>531260413
just ash blossom bro

>draw a whole 6 (SIX) cards as part of their usual combo if left unchecked
now I understand why everyone and their mother packs handtraps instead of second engine in case of lancea

>>531260413
otk or die

>>531260720
But no it's fair and lancea should be banned :)!!!

Ban Stellarknight Constellar Diamond

>>531260413
I OFFER MILLENNIUM SHIELD AND TRUE DRACO APOCALYPSE AS TRIBUTE TO SUMMON MASTER PEACE THE DRACOSLAYING KING
apocalypse pop etoile and master peace chain to pop etoile

>>531258462
>>531254969
Still no clue where to start what to look for

Both Maliss and Lancea should be hit
Saying Lancea shouldn't be hit because of Maliss is like defending Shifter because Tear existed
Or defending Maxx C because meta decks exist

>>531261528
Do you mean a Chimera deck list?

>>531261948
you're only seething this much because you're using maliss
and you didn't follow the splash mage into terrahertz line

>>531262216
>Floodgates are fine if they benefit ME!
retard

>>531259257
Not him but if you think drawing 4 cards IN ADDITION to their entire board isn't completely broken in modern yugioh then you're out of your fucking mind

>>531262315
unironically, yes

>>531262319
In a format with 5 Maxx C's, really? This is your argument?

I am so fucking done with cheaters

>>531262216
To get Splash Mage you need at least 2 cyberse monsters which is only possible by hard-drawing March Hare + another Maliss in hand
And I would rather go for Ransom set Mirror against Lancea

>>531262538
who cares about 5 maxx c when you have 15 pot of greed

>>531262035
Deck list and maybe some tutorial on how to start picking up the game

>>531262715
You said 4 cards, not 30 cards.

>>531212927
Stun, consider lab as well if you're doing HRT.

>>531262538
Are you fucking retarded? Maxx C and the Charmies are non-engine cards that you have to hard draw, what the fuck does that have to do with Maliss drawing four cards with its engine alone while also setting up their entire board.
Also Maliss drawing more cards increases their chances to see Maxx C so I don't know what the fuck your point is.

>>531262850
it's current year
the pot of greed is hopt d'oh

>>531261476
based true draco chad

>>531262683
tsk tsk tsk

>>531257921
Cook player here. No they don't, they take 1k damage and then banish your golem.

>>531196479
so close

>>531261948
How many decks does Lancea affect?
Ok, how many does shifter affect?

>>531264115
my pet deck floowandereeze dies to lancea

I disagree that Maliss is tier 0. No fucking way it's a tier zero deck when statistically you are bound to lose 20% of your entire games.
Also, tournaments both with side deck and without side deck showed that it's reasonably possible to beat Maliss even if you don't load silver bullets in your deck.
It's not even as outrageous as V.F.D or Rhongo. Imagine Tearlaments.
I do agree that it's tier 1 though.
Wait until Ryzeal releases, unless it's pre-hit (besides bonfire) then you faggots will have a grim reminder of what is a tier 0 deck.

>>531230330
Anyone got a good traptrix deck for the under5 event? thibking glow up bulb and naturia beast would go well to auto win and just farm gemmies

>>531262683
Maliss also can't get to Splash Mage without Banishing. Lancea completely ends Maliss's turn.

>>531262761
For Chimera, just start with the archetype.

You want 2 Berfomets, three of everything else in the Archetype.

So 3 Mirror Knight
3 Coactcyl
3 Gazelle
3 Chimera Fusion

I also recommend 1 copy of Sinful Spoils of Slumber. It's a Good discard for Apprentice and will reset itself if you control an illusion monster.

For the ED
run 2 of the Chimera UR
2 Berfomets fusion SR
1 of the big Chimera boss Monster SR
2 Guardian Chimera
1 Reveler the Destroyer SR

Also, 3 Nightmare Apprentice
And any Illusion Boss Monster of your Choice. Nightmare Magician is solid, mist people go for Diabelze. You can run both. I run both.

As an additional engine, the Frightfur Engine is cheap and good for beginning.
That's 2 Edge Imp Chain
2 Polymerization
3 Frightfur Patchwork

The rest, just common Hand Traps
2 Maxx C
3 Ash
2 Called by the Grave

Super Poly is also good if you can craft it, but it's UR and you need 3.

You can begin there. The deck is fairly easy to learn in this state. Just do this line here >>531258462

Pic rel is a deck list I found online, just change some cards to what I told you or what you can afford.

You won't win every duel, but the goal is to learn the game. Once you get the hang of it, you can start upgrading this deck by adding other engines, which also makes the deck more complex.

It you wanna find the secret pack for the deck, use your SR dust to craft any SR in the deck like Gazelle. I'm archetype, I think Chimera only needs like 4 UR
+ the 2 Guardian Chimera. I forget if they're in the pack or not, but they might be. Which puts you at 6 UR. Use your UR dust to craft the Hand Traps.

Also, idk if Apprentice is in the pack, but she's staple for any Illusion deck.

You'll also likely need to craft the Illusion Boss Monster, likely Diabelze.

>>531264115
My pet deck Orcust dies to both

>>531262683
>which is only possible by hard-drawing March Hare + another Maliss in hand
>>531264352
>Maliss also can't get to Splash Mage without Banishing

>>531264115
How many decks can play Lancea?
How many decks can play Shifter?

>>531264735
I'm not playing the Alice in Wonderland deck to play soulless Cyberse slop. I'd be playing Mathmech if I wanted to do that.

>>531264115
My Invoked Shaddoll pile dies to Lancea.
Can't Fusion Summon. Can't use Shaddoll Schism. Can't use Bystials or Branded Regained.

>>531264352
>Maliss also can't get to Splash Mage without Banishing
Only if your opponent shotguns the Lancea. If they use it in main phase you can just chain your hare to Lancea

>>531264775
The answer remains the same to my questions, just inversed. Shifter should be banned, not just limited to 1, because it affects COUNTLESS fucking decks in the game, whereas lancea just wipes out maybe 6 tranny decks that deserve to get fucked in the ass as hard as possible, constantly.

>>531264352
Maliss blends with Salamangreat. Double the starters and better traps.

...
Why are cyberse monsters so xenophobic?

>>531264989
>Implying decks that die to Shifter don't deserve to get fucked in the ass too

>>531264906
That's great. I hope your deck gets rendered unplayable with one of the strongest floodgates in the game.

>>531264115
>How many decks does Lancea affect?
More than you're willing to admit.

It gatekeeps EVERY banish deck.
>Maliss
>Swordsoul Tenyi
>Branded
>Bystials
>Kashtira
>Crystron
>Orcust
>Ghoti
>Floo

I'm sure there are others, but that's all I got off the top of my head. I some guys compiling Tier lists based off the new pack, and the fact that Lancea is commonly played totally gatekeeps like 3 new decks, outside of hurting Maliss.

>>531265149
Correct. The majority > The minority.

>>531264930
Which most people do if they see you running Maliss Sleeves.

>>531265016
That's lame though, I hate the aesthetic of most Cyberse stuff. I don't wanna run most of it, and I dislike how linear the combo lines are. I like playing Maliss pure and I don't even run the Terrahertz line either. It's more fun.

I just want to say (You) all are mentally retarded.

>>531265225
Stop, I can only get so erect

>>531265225
>>Kashtira
>>Crystron
>>Orcust
>>Ghoti
>>Maliss
>>Swordsoul Tenyi (AKA the Protos deck)
>>Orcust
kek, good

>>531265117
They wanted to make type matter again, realized their mistake, and shat out illusion afterwards.

Ritual Beasts and Lancea status?

>>531265225
Chaos as well.
Even Dark Magician gets fucked by it. Especially the new support, lmao.

>>531265583
Awesome! I hope lancea keeps forcing HRT down your throat.

>>531265583
Unplayable thanks to Lancea.

>go to ranked to do dailies and some point for the season pass
>opponent wins coin flip and goes first to combo off
>opening hand is a brick, so i just someone something to crash into opponents beatstick and pass
>my board is empty and opponent has game and is still comboing off
>Fuck this guy, I would've just surrendered because myself but I going to stall with the ghost ogre prompt I have til the clock runs

>>531264906
...but you use schism on your opponent's turn?

>>531265225
>Maliss
>Swordsoul Tenyi
>Branded
>Bystials
>Kashtira
>Crystron
>Orcust
>Ghoti
>Floowandereeze
>Chaos
>Ritual Breast
>Dark Magician
>Thunder Dragons

I'm sure we can make this list bigger.

>>531265225
>Maliss
>Swordsoul Tenyi
>Branded
>Bystials
>Kashtira
>Crystron
>Orcust
>Ghoti
>Floo
can we somehow bump Lancea to 6

does anyone have some of that japanese art of lancea killing malice

>>531265889
I forgot to mention shifter in my post.
Now?

>>531265963
Only if you allow yourself to get raped by a pack of angry niggers.

Reasons why lancea won't get touched:
1. Ryzeal is coming
2. Maxx-C is even more of a blow-out card and it's only semi-limited
3. It only fucks nigger decks

>Check everyone's decklist
>All have Lancea in it
I think I'm just gonna play Mermail and farm free wins

>>531265976
lancea fucking malice?

Considering the type of deck it hits, Lancea deserves to be at 9
We need Mulcharmy Lancea and Lan"C"ea

>>531265225
Trashtira doesn't really need to banish during its turn to set up unless it's going second. Bystials are fine playing during ither turn.

>>531266228
maybe

It brings me great pleasure to know you suffer because Lancea kills your nigger decks and will never get hit.

>>531266301
Are you retarded? Lmao, yes it does.

Riddle me this:
Why is Maxx "C" legal in the same format where Mulcharmy monsters are also legal?

>>531266419
everyone asks this and there is no answer

>>531266416
It doesn't on a good hand.

>>531266301
The one card Unicorn combo doesn't work because you need Riseheart to be level 7
It only works if you have Unicorn + Fenrir or Birth

>>531266419
Ban both.

>>531266419
Keeping combonigger in check

>>531266234
>D.D. Lancea
>Ghost Javelin and Summer Stabbing
>Droll & Spear
>Dominus Pike
>Infinite Imspearmalance

I like playing Maliss because it's a deck that I can just turn my brain off and use Impulse-chan pump and fry and leak my brain cells out without worry.
No way I'm playing Labrynth or Yubel.

when does malice get its ignister support again

>>531260413
loses to imperm

>>531267504
just play the circular package

imagine if chessy cat banished from the deck haha...
we are living in a blessed timeline.

>>531266419
They do different things.

>>531266419
because konami are too cowardly to ban mulch

impregnating roze

You have Chessy and Dormouse in hand
Which one do you normal summon?

If you think the roach is good for the game or even a "necessary evil" you have shit for brains.
Fuck roach, let people run a bunch of floodgates in their decks.
Then players will also naturally start running more spell/trap removal.

>>531268168
Roach is good for the game because it's good going second.
S/T floodgates are garbage going second.

>>531268041
Dormouse since it doesn't get hit by Ash.

>>531268236
Roach is also good going first.

>>531268378
And floodgates are only good going first.

if ryzeal doesn't release at full power maliss will have a higher proportion of tournament showings after its release than it will now

>>531268494
>ryzeal doesn't release at full power
What exactly is "full power" ryzeal? They only got star ryzeal.

>>531268630
If they don't forward release Mitsurugi it's DoA.

>>531268670
OCG doesn't even have Mitsurugi yet and Ryzeal still destroyed Maliss

>>531267563
it's always untargetable thanks to another card on the field

I can't seem to win consistently with "better" decks, but goblin bikers are always carrying me. I guess people are just much less familiar with how to play against it?

>>531268819
Piss for brains.

>>531268670
I was under the impression "ryzeal" mitsurugi was just to turbo out king of feral imps. It's not really ryzeal.

>>531266523
Yes it does. Main combo uses Riseheart which needs to Banish to become Lv.7 and trigger ShangriLa so it can XYZ into Ariseheart.

It can't do that under Lancea.

The extenders, Tear and Scareclaw need to Banish to summon themselves, also shut off by Lancea.

The only way you bypass this is if you open the three card combo of Birth + Unicorn + Ogre, and hope you don't get Ashed/Impermed as well, and you STILL don't end on a full board, you can either make Shangri-la OR Ariseheart, not both, and that opening hand is extremely unlikely, like less than 3%.

Lancea completely fucks Kashtira. You fire it off when Unicorn is Special Summoned, and they don't even get the Unicorn effect either, and their turn is effectively over. The best they can do now is make Shangri-la or just summon Fenrir and pray.

>>531271159
See
>>531175017
Retard

>>531271750
Not him but you only need Unicorn + Birth
Unicorn -> Theosis -> Fenrir -> Ogre -> Birth -> normal Ogre -> Ariseheart

>>531271882
That just means it's popular in japan. You're a big deal out of mediocre deck.

>>531272720
You're a retard, lmao.

>>531272219
That's still a less than 7% probability, your opponent has higher odds of drawing any disruption + Lancea.

And the odds you opened this hand WHEN your opponent opened Lancea are 2.26%

Not to mention the entire line gets completely fucked by:
Imperm
Veiler
Ash
Droll
Impulse
Purge

And if all goes well, you end on JUST Ariseheart, which is an extremely weak board.

It dies to any disruption.
It gets completely shut off by Imperm/Droplet, it's easily stolen off of Tactics since the banish triggers automatically.

>>531273825
I didn't say anything about the probability, I was just saying you don't need 3 cards combo, just 2 cards combo.
Also you forgot the field spell.

>>531274059
The entire point is disproving the ridiculous nothing that Lancea does not completely fuck Kashtira when it does.

Next I'm waiting for that stupid nigger to come back with the completely predictable reply of
>Well Trashtira is a faggots deck anyway which deserves to get completely fucked by this overpowered floodgate anyway!!

The goalposts are suddenly moving from
>Lancea only hurt Maliss
To admitting that Lancea is actually hurting at least 6 decks in the current meta:
>Maliss
>Kashtira
>Crystron
>Orcust
>Branded
>Swordsoul Tenyi

and I'm no Memento player, but I'm sure it fucks them too.

>>531273825
Trahstira is a faggot deck that deserves to get fucked by a niche hand trap and you forgot the probability of drawing field spell + birth or theosis along side unicorn + theosis since you can search birth if you have theosis in hand and vice versa. You also have 3 counters to Lancea in your deck in called by and crossout so it's not even that bad if it hits your deck.

>>531275046
and also the field spell + theosis*

>>531274582
Swordsoul can still play under it, just not ideally. All of those other decks are gay faggot shit or retarded so it's perfectly acceptable to bend them over with Lancea.

>>531275180
>>531275046
That still does nothing to change the odds, the fact that it's a 2 card combo you HAVE to open under Lancea means it's sub 5% and assume you're not also getting blasted in the face by Ash/Imperm which completely end your turn.

>>531275252
Swordsoul can't summon Protoss under Lancea which is the only thing it really has going for. Tenyi stuff means easier and more consent access to Protoss and maybe even Necrovalley, which are what make it competitive again. With Lancea in the format, all that goes completely out the window and they end on Chixiao + Baronne pass, except half their deck is made of useless bricks thanks to Lancea so they HAVE to open Moye or the search spell. Which also dies to imperm/ash.

>gimmick event
>ocg players bring stun
predictable

>>531275454
It does change the odds because there's more potential card combinations. The probability of the opponent drawing both ash and lancea is only about 9%

>>531275747
It's Lancea + ANY disruption.
Ash, Veiler, Imperm, Droll, Impulse, Purge, etc... ALL end your turn. Even Ghost Ogre. So it's not 9% it's more like 25% which is significantly higher than the odds of the Kashtira player opening their 2 card combo under Lancea, JUST to end onna weak board with a single monster that's easy to remove.

>>531275710
Sure, and then the godlike Swordsoul player just shotgun's lancea on the trans-lice player's turn. GG. It's over.

>>531276006
Are you even following the conversation here?

Swordsoul loses to Lancea this format you idiot.

Swordsoul would be way more competitive this format if it weren't for Lancea as it would be able to easily set up Protoss AND Necrovalley in addition to Chixiao, Baronne, and Blackout, plus Tenyi Dark in grave for Bounce. Which would make it a very strong deck against everything in the meta right now. But that completely goes out the window because every braindead retard was convinced faggot YouTubers into main decking 3 Lancea to stop "tier 0 Maliss."

>>531275950
Xis, those hand traps kill most decks that came out before 2024, but Imperm and veiler are becoming rarer because they don't do much to Malpiss or Blue Eyes

how can a HERO be EVIL

>>531276335
Imperm/Veiler on Dormouse stops Maliss retard-kun.

>>531276327
>Necrovalley
And yet Lancea is the problem

>>531276613
Yes

>>531276327
>Necrovalley
Deserved to be shitted on by Lancea

>>531276467
Not with an extender in hand or GWC. People are running fewer targeting in favor or board breakers like super poly

>>531276327
If Maliss doesn't exist and Swordsoul ends up actually mattering, people would also bring Lancea dumbass

>>531276698
>GWC
With what target in grave, retard?

Give me the line.
Normal Summon Dormouse, activate effect.
Opponent: Imperm.
What do you do now?
Set GWC? It can't be activated, nothing to revive.
Link off Dormouse, Activate GWC? You can't, you need to Banish a Maliss monster you control for cost.

>>531276819
EXACTLY.
Thus proving, Lancea is the problem. Put it to 1 like Shifter. Floodgates are cancer.

>>531276967
Use one of your 9+ extenders. Set up GWC and a card in the gy before committing to your normal Doormouse. If you're relying on normal Doormouse then you have a shit hand

>>531277104
Nah, it's a card recommended by shitty yugituber and therefore can't be in any way shape or form good.

>>531277130
No no no, bring those goalposts back.

You said GWC.
Dormouse + GWC does what exactly?
Taking your fucking words at face value:
>Not with an extender in hand or GWC.
>OR
What can GWC do, you dishonest faggot?

>>531276327
>You're not allowed to floodgate!
>ONLY I'M ALLOWED TO FLOODGATE!

>>531275712
one of the rare events I cant fault them, it's garbage
you either are one of those soibois playing muh ebin rank 3 gobbos and have something to play or it's stun/loaners

>>531265819
My favorite deck is Weather Painters and you literally can't play the game if lancea resolves

>>531277335
The other two traps let you dodge without requirement. GWC can allow you to dodge with any of your other lines that let your get shit in your gy without worrying about imperm. You are spazzing out in order to create scenario where Malpiss is weak to imperm when it only happens with a terrible hand

>>531277514
Weather Painters doesn't even play the game most of the time even if Lancea doesn't resolves

>>531277536
You said GWC.

So walk me through it.
I set GWC, Normal Dormouse. Opponent Imperms Dormouse
Now what do I do?

>But if you do all these other lines to make GWC live!!

Which leave you vulnerable to Nibiru. Normal Dormouse banish Hare is the ONLY combo that gets you Apollousa before you can get Nibbed. It's the line people are going to go for every time they open Dormouse.

You imperm Dormouse, now they NEED and extender, and can't go for the Apollousa line anymore, which means you can Nib them after they used all their Maliss Banish Summon effects, which is around the time White Binder drops.

If they didn't open an extender (unlikely), then their turn ends with nothing.

I have no idea how to play any of those loaners and any of those cards. what the fuck is this event

>>531277984
You scoop because you bricked or are bad at deck building or are just bad. Likely all of the above

>>531277514
>my tier 20 deck got hit in the crossfire by people using good cards
A tale as old as time and totally unavoidable.

>>531265954
>>531277514
>Maliss
>Swordsoul Tenyi
>Branded
>Bystials
>Kashtira
>Crystron
>Orcust
>Ghoti
>Floowandereeze
>Chaos
>Ritual Breast
>Dark Magician
>Thunder Dragons
>Weather Painters
Oh nyo we hit the tier 9 deck

>>531278228
But you said GWC is a way to dodge Imperm. What happened?

Were you wrong about that?

Why are retarded Malice players trying to pretend that Swordsoul matters as a deck and that's why this card that JUST HAPPENS TO MOSTLY BEAT THEM should be banned? What faggots.

>>531278358
With the setup that you probably have. You're imagining a scenario where you start by normal summoning Doormouse

>>531278385
my floodgate is a fair card!! I need it!!
I've been seeing this tale since Eldlich was meta.

>>531278478
God, you're such a fucking loser. You're playing THE BEST DECK THAT'S BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER DECK IN THE GAME BY SEVERAL LEVELS. YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, YOU STUPID FUCKING FAGGOT.

>>531278446
Do you even play the game? Normal Summon Dormouse is the strongest combo, and the one you most commonly see on the ladder.

Why can't you just stop being a faggot for once and admit you were wrong? The more you double down on this the further you dig your hole and make yourself look like a retard that knows nothing about the deck you're constantly bitching about.

>>531278287
trying to play zombies on tear release was hell

>>531278385
BIRD LIVES MATTER, YOU CHUD
WE CAN'T LEAVE A CARD THAT KILLS FLOO LIKE THAT LEGAL

>Malpisster is shitting pissing xerself for nearly an hour now
These nicknames become fun when they become emblematic of the player

>>531278598
>THAT'S BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER DECK IN THE GAME BY SEVERAL LEVELS.
Prove it, because all evidence points to the contrary. >>531199084

>>531278718
The really pathetic thing is that he's done this multiple times in the past and he gets told the same bullshit every time.

I don't want to play fucking water trash. Why is that the only thing viable. Why would you think up an event like this

>>531278771
It got more representation in the tops therefore it is better

>>531278771
>some cherry picked tournament matters
God you're fucking GAY

>>531278771
twice the tops, twice as good

>>531278649
Oh no you have to end on 2 fewer negates because of imperm. And no it's better to start with gold sarc or the field spell if you have it and then banishing white rabbit.

will we get additional missions for the events? if so I hope that the link/fusion one will still be around, I really don't want to play more of that under 5 dross than I need to

>>531278287
>>531278320
It's fine I will just play my second favorite deck
cyber dragons, i'm sure infinity pass still really strong

>>531278915
>>531278921
>>531279021
It got less than 1/4 of what it got when it came out. It's funny watching the goalposts move. Pretty much everyone is turning against the narrative from faggot YouTubers calling this a Tier 0 deck.

I don't think I can make it through this event

>>531278771
>Malpiss got all the top spots even with Lancea supporting the weaker decks and allowing them to compete
That supports that Lancea SHOULDN'T be banned if anything, you dumb retard. It's the only reason any deck at all can compete with it

>>531279476
Who cares what tier it is
It IS still the better deck

>>531279021
This is with everyone main decking Lancea btw
Mapiss downplayers are fucking retarded

>>531279476
>It's funny watching the goalposts move
>literally no one talking about tear 0
>suddenly BUT HAVE YOU SEEN THE TOURNEY RESULTS
>IT IS IN NO WAY SHAPE AND FORM TEAR 0 YOU DUMBASS!!1111

Should I craft 3 drolls? I just started and only have 150 SR tokens.

>>531279641
And how do you explain it going from 50% top cut to 25% 10 days later?

>>531279893
finish your main deck first
otherwise feel free, you gonna drown in SR dust soon enough anyway

>>531279619
I just need 5 more wins and I have all my gems

>>531279927
>22% chance of opponent opening Lancea while you have no counter
>Maliss drops by 25%
Coincidance? I think not.

>>531279927
It's too small of a sample size to be statistically relevant. What is relevant is all the top players saying it's by far the best deck and it being heads and shoulders above everything else out in every other tournament.

>>531280073
But everyone was playing 3 Lancea since day 1.

>>531279927
top cut doesn't matter
that's unofficial totally not illegal tourney anyway using different ruleset
what matters is representation in master rank

>>531280197
Are you saying top players are unbiased?

>>531280337
Show me the data for Master Rank. Do you have it?

>>531280423
>Show me the data for Master Rank.

>>531280479
Those are user submitted deck profiles. Are you retarded? Where's the data?

>>531280423
>Are you saying top players are unbiased?
are you saying top players are immune to luckshitting

>>531280423
>Are you saying top players are unbiased?
Yes. At least compared to your dumb ass. They will 100% play the best decks and be straight up about what is the best deck. I promise you this deck will be on every team of the world finals this year and you're a fucking moron if you think otherwise

>>531280558
it's as valid as your user submitted tourney results

>>531280608
I think the opinions of "top players" are completely irrelevant. You're the one trying to justify listening to mouthbreathing YouTubers for your opinions.

>>531280675
It's even more valid actually because the dumb bitch only posted one tournament.

>>531280739
and you're the one using your locals tourney to support your argument

>>531280675
Is it?

Your list only proves that a brand new extremely hyped deck got a lot of deck profiles uploaded to the website. I fail to see how this is master rank performance data.

>>531280739
>Literal world champion's opinions on the game they're LITERALLY GOING TO BE PLAYING AT WORLD'S AT THIS YEAR don't matter
God you're stupid.

>>531280886
It's not just deck profiles
It's deck profiles that reach Master 1

>>531280851
>Local
I just pulled the latest weekly tourney results off of MDM. You can track the results yourself and see the downward trend for Maliss.

>>531280931
Do you mean the same guy that said "Runick was fair and healthy for the game," really?

>>531281029
>latest weekly tourney results off of MDM
that's even less than locals holy shit

I would have expected this shitty card to be R at most

>>531280986
That's also false. You have no way to verify that deck profile was used to get to Master 1 rank.

And against all it proves is that a popular brand new deck understandably got a lot of deck profiles, it's zero qualitative and quantifiable evidence for the actual competitive performance of the deck. What sort of ridiculous take is this? Trying to pass this off as evidence or data of anything.

>>531281132
Lots of old cards got randomly UR taxed for no reason honestly

>>531281029
>Do you mean the same guy that said "Runick was fair and healthy for the game," really?
No, I mean LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE YOU DUMB FUCK.

>>531281064
Worked just fine for you when you when you were having a melty over Tearlaments.

You got any evidence of the deck being Tier 0? Go on, I'll wait.

>>531281269
>You have no way to verify that deck profile was used to get to Master 1 rank.
The verification method literally listed there
And if you discredit that, then you also discredit literally everything else on that website

>>531281390
>talking about whether deck is better
>suddenly bring up tear 0
nice moving the goalpost

>>531281357
Every single one what? You dumb fuck.

Also, you know Ryzeal comes out next month, right? Right before Worlds.

>>531281412
Right were? Show me the verification method. What is it?

How is this evidence of a deck's competitive performance?

>then you also discredit literally everything else on that website
Sure, we can do that.

Now show me credible evidence of the deck being Tier 0.

>>531281542
>you know Ryzeal comes out next month, right?

>uhhh actually Malice has never gotten to master and is a silver deck only!
God this guy is such a disingenuous worm
>>531281542
We literally have no idea when Ryzeal is dropping, you dumb fuck. And it doesn't matter, the deck is STILL GOING TO WORLD BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST DECK

>>531281484
But you said it was vastly better.

Can you prove it?

>>531281542
>Sure, we can do that.
Nice, so now we're back to no credible at all from your side too
>Now show me credible evidence of the deck being Tier 0.
Devil's Proof

>>531281649
twice the tops
twice the power

>>531281649
>results don't count outside of this ONE tournament
>number of times it's being played by high level players doesn't count
>the actual fucking word of the best players in the world don't count
>so uhh prove it but you can't actually use any evidence :)
You're such a faggot.

>>531281605
Ryu-ge came out last month. Why wouldn't it?

>>531281635
>uhhh actually Malice has never gotten to master and is a silver deck only!
When did I say that? Can you link the post where I said that? Show me. This looks like a strawman argument.

>IT'S THE BEST DECK
It won't be with Ryzeal in the format.

>>531281761
>It won't be with Ryzeal in the format.
There's no Ryzeal in the format

>>531281674
I mean, you're the one making the claim that the deck is vastly stronger than evidence in the format.

>>531281734
That's not how it works.

>>531281745
Ok, then show me your evidence. You and your faggot YouTubers keep saying this deck is tier 0 and vastly stronger than anything else in the format. Can you prove it?

>>531281879
>That's not how it works.
i'm sorry but that's how it is

>>531281798
There will be
Comes out August 10th :^)

>>531281879
>you're the one making the claim that the deck is vastly stronger than evidence in the format.
Not me, you're the one making the claim that it is not when it's Devil's Proof

>>531281983
Prove it.

Surely you have some definition or statistical evidence that backs your claim, right?

>>531282060
I never claimed Maliss was tier 0, and your faggot e-celebs did.

>>531282120
>Prove it.
>Surely you have some definition or statistical evidence that backs your claim, right?
twice the tops, twice the power

>>531282120
>I never claimed Maliss was tier 0, and your faggot e-celebs did.
This chain ain't even talking about tier 0, mate, that's you moving the goalpost

>>531282178
You got a source for that?

Prove to me that's how it works. Because I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. And I took AP Statistics in High School.

>>531282258
>You got a source for that?
the one that you linked to prove that maliss is not tier 0, whatever that even means
twice the tops
twice the power

I think the worst part is that the faggot knows that Lancea is the only reason any deck can compete with his shitty deck but he still wants it banned because he hates not instantly winning.

>>531282231
The claim is about people saying Maliss is vastly stronger than anything else in the first so Lancea is justified.

I'm asking for proof of that claim as all evidence points to contrary. I posted what I have to back up my claim, I'm waiting for the other side to post anything remotely credible.

All I get is
>Nuh-uh YouTube man said this!!
And deck profile listings on MDM.

What proof does anyone have to back up the claim Maliss is, and I quote:
>Vastly stronger than every other deck in the format.

Ok. Show me. Where's the evidence for this claim?

>>531282449
>I'm asking for proof of that claim as all evidence points to contrary. I posted what I have to back up my claim, I'm waiting for the other side to post anything remotely credible.
Except you yourself discredit your own evidence and thus it's Devil's Proof.

Fissure, Necrovalley and Macro Cosmos etc. are okay because they can be removed.
But Lancea and Shifter are unhealthy because if you didn't open your few cards that counter them, you are fucked.
Fear of decks being unstoppable? Just hit them! Limit/Semi-Limit all the names! And then ban Lancea and Shifter.
You have less power and less gas, but at least you don't have to fear having to end your turn because there's almost nothing you can do.
It will make the game even healthier because some archetypes and decks will have to run alternative cards, increasing variance and diversity.

>>531282356
>Lancea is the only reason any deck can compete
Can you prove that?

>>531282328
Right, so it's not Tier 0 we agree on that then.
>twice the tops
>twice the power
That's not how that works, your buddy even disagrees with you. >>531280197

Can you provide proof contrary to that to back up that statement?

Done with the event
Played Madolche at the start and played the last few games with Mimighoul

>>531282629
meanwhile, ya boi chilling

>>531282627
I'm willing to concede on the evidence because untapped.gg will updated eventually and give us hard numbers.

However, you're all still boldly claiming the deck is vastly stronger without anything to back that up.

>>531282675
>Right, so it's not Tier 0 we agree on that then.
you're literally the only one that bring tier 0 to this discussion
>That's not how that works, your buddy even disagrees with you.
except you did
therefore it is how it works

>>531282789
And you're still downplaying Maliss without anything to back that up.

Just hit both Maliss and Lancea.
It's not one or the other. I don't want my only way to beat Maliss to be a random 3-of that you have to draw.

>>531282893
If you can beg for hits like that, can I appeal for Droll hits first

>>531282629
Most decks rely on the GY to climb into the monsters that can potentially remove those cards if they're not running dedicated backrow removal which is usually reserved for the side deck in bof 3. Lancea's counters are cards that are general purpose and useful more often than not.

>>531282893
Neither will be hit anytime soon. Malpisser is just being a salty cuck

>>531282727
Droll is necessary though.

>>531283054
Kill all decks that makes Droll necessary.

>>531282794
I brought up what? The results were shown as contrast to the results from the same tournament a week prior to show the downward trend. You completely ignored than and made the idiotic assumption
>Twice the tops twice the power
When the general trend is showing a rapid decline in the performance of the deck the longer it's in the format.

Your statement not only has no scientific basis, it also runs completely contrary to what I was showing when I presented the image. So, can you provide in info as to how you're coming to your ridiculous assumptions? Or are you going to admit you're resorting to saying baseless stupid shit because you have no solid argument to land on and are angry that the little data we DO have is disagreeing with the fantasy you made up in your head because some guy with a camera told you to.

woah a fucking beach chair

>>531283086
Kill roach and fuwalos then.

>>531283054
Most modern decks don't give a fuck about Droll and it's basically just extra copies of Ash against Maxx C

>>531283115
trend is literal soothsaying
what matters is the power right now
twice the tops
twice the power

>>531283172
No
Kill all decks that makes roach and fuwalos necessary first

>>531283263
Accepted.
But Konami is retarded so it won't.

can't wait for k9vs meta

>>531283470
K9VS and Dracotail are both fun to play

>>531283185
See? It's easy to accept the existence of floodgate if it doesn't affect you

>0/7 in coin flips against gooks

Easy event, easy life.
Super gay of them not to drop the extra missions tonight but whatever, my other event deck is better anyways.

>>531283197
But that's literally not how that works, as results in tops also heavily depend on the overall amount of representation.


If a tournament has 10 Maliss players and only 4 make top cut, that means 40% of the players won. And if of those players, 1 played DDD and that one player made top cut, that means DDD had a 100% success rate.

What does that tell us about the overall power level of the decks relative to their format?

Absolutely nothing because we don't have any matchup data and the sample pool is too small. This is also why Tier 0, for example, only counts with consistent representation.

If a Tier 0 deck needs 66% top cut to be measured as such, than what does a Tier 1 deck with only 25% representation get?

How is that difference in powered accounted for when the Tier 1 deck sees 41% less top cut representation than a tier 0 deck?

Do you see how your metric tracks?

What IS twice the power exactly? Tracked but what. And if you're gonna measure power by top cut results, then the language "twice" is dishonest as twice is much weaker than how a lot of other decks tend to perform in Yu-Gi-Oh.

Just a few months ago Snake-Eyes saw nearly 50% top cut, and far more representation than the next best deck. So it tracked stronger than Maliss. Yet here you are claiming Maliss is far stronger than it, but the results don't track.

>>531284014
I like how you're clinging to tier 0 because your ass knows it's by far the best deck in the format.

Anyways this is downplaying on the tier of teartards, so good job being delusional.

>>531284110
I used tier 0 as an example, please learn to read.

If Tier 0 is ranked at 66% top cut, then what does that tell use about the power level of a deck with only 25% top cut?

>>531278653
Tear niggers were like "IIIIII fill up your grave and decide what you get to keep"

>>531284179
You're not convincing anyone of your delusional takes.

>mimighoul chingchong
>mimighoul nipnong
>mimighoul chingchong
>mimighoul nipnong
and they always have the right ratio of handtraps to starters
awful, awful shill event

>>531284351
Math is the most logical form of reasoning. Arguing against math is arguing against logic. And arguing against logic is what trannies do.

>>531284573
God could you be any more of a faggot?

>>531284697
Better than being a tranny. Stop arguing against logic.

Anyways how is the event treating you guys?

>>531285232
0-8

>>531285395
Yikes

>>531283470
>>531283596
I hear about dracotail, and also lunalight, but is there anything on the near horizon that's also fun?

>>531284014
>as results in tops also heavily depend on the overall amount of representation.
nice, glad we can agree that tier based on tops means nothing more than popularity contest

>Yet here you are claiming Maliss is far stronger than it, but the results don't track.
no one saying anything about that
old snake-eyes is dead and thus was never in this discussion at all

>>531286634
>glad we can agree that tier based on tops means nothing more than popularity contest
Logic like this is stupid. Yes sometimes stronger decks get found out years down when people revisit a format but otherwise you have literally nothing to base strength on and that's just stupid.

>>531287058
finally, something we can all agree on

>>531285980
personally I'm looking forward to the Odion set, really cool set of cards

>>531288124
You're an idiot.

One thing I don't understand is, when Maliss came out, everyone was raising a big stink about it "not being prehit" or "coming without Ryzeal"

But, if you look at the OCG, Maliss is barely even touched.

And Konami was clearly never going to release Ryzeal alongside Maliss, idk where that assumption came from.

What we're people expecting exactly? I'm confused.

>>531289045
i agree, you're an idiot.

>>531289870
We didn't get Ryzeal alongside it so it became the undisputed best deck. The best we got was Crystron since it was rogue during Maliss and Ryzeal meta. Crystron dies just as hard to Lancea and their banishing gimmick benefits Maliss so there's little point using that over Maliss

>>531288534
>same chinkywinky playing that cringy lazy pacifis shitdeck 3 times in a row
deddo geimu

>>531289870
It's a combination of anti-waifu brigade that doesn't want to accept that a waifu deck can be anywhere near meta, and butthurt Maliss player that downplays their own deck while at the same time tried to argue that something that cockblocks their deck specifically (that is not the best deck (important)) deserves all the hit.

>>531290481
But why would people assume we'd get both side by side? MD has never done that, it makes no sense from a profit standpoint, and we got Ryu-ge separate laying down the pattern.

>>531291723
They didn't. They complained about what would happen.

>>531293642
What would happen if what?

Jesus christ, it's nothing but the most degenerate stun...

>>531283054
>is supposed to keep the meta in check
>meta decks play well under it
>fucks rogue decks
hmm

>>531298793
Nah they purposefully made meta decks play well under it to counter Maxx Three

classic handtraps like ash or imperm dont do shit to strong modern decks, so you either pray that skipping turn with droll/fuwa/lancea works or you eat shit because you basically handlooped yourself
also seeing more cards with effect "WELL I ACHTUALLY DONT SEARCH THIS CARD, BUT SET IT ON MY FIELD" is so fucking hilarious, konami know what they are doing

How come untapped doesn't show Maliss?

Is their data collection a few weeks behind or what?

>>531301971
or activate it directly from the deck to bypass S/T activation negation altogether in addition to the usual ash cuckery

>>531302064
No wait, I just checked under decks and they have tons of lists in their database, even by rank. How come it's not tiered?

>try materiactor loaner
>excavate
>add 1
>xyz
>detach
>ss
>search
>excavate
>attach
>add to hand
>excavate
>add to hand
>detach
>attach
>add to hand
>activate materiactor
>xyz
>attach
>detach
>attach
>add to hand
they do be doing a lot, huh
but if you look closely, they barely got any disruption after all that

holy kek I've won against so much bullshit with colchica in grave and ramming foxglove witch

>>531302463
They do all of that to fish for hand traps. You really want the normal monster in the gy. They work well with Primite too since they can use the trap as discard fodder and set up a 0 attack monster in the gy to non target steal a monster. The primite quickplay is a starter if you draw it with the field spell. The deck is liable to timing out with all the attaching and detaching it does though. I've almost timed out a few times because my phone's screen isn't that big and I have a difficult time clicking the right card

>>531173273 (OP)
Under 5 festival? More like Cimoooooooo festival.

>>531139340
>he thinks he's gonna have a battle phase
LMAO

NEGATE

NEGATE

NEGATE

>>531306780
Uh oh, stinky!

>>531306780
i think i will

>>531306780
but birb all attack directly

>>531250790
>Banned in every event
>Dies to imperm
>UR

garbage

>>531264352
brother stop reommending chimera to a new player wtf is wrong with you

>>531301971
Ash is used to blank Maxx C or Fuwa so you auto-lose less games.
Imperm is tough to negate since trap negates are pretty rare. If your opponent ends on two guys that negate stuff you can just blank one of their cards for free essentially. Means if there is a deliberate chokepoint in your combo, or if your board is too tall after they set up (I.e. a 4 summon Appo) it helps you out a lot.

Neither are deliberate turn enders.

>>531285232
Materiactor was my main deck already, so I just swapped out the armored package for a draco future package.

>Maliss now pivot into Quillbolt if they got Lancea'd
The fuck

>>531311405
wat

here's your suship support bro

>>531290584
If it's not the best deck then what is? The fuck. It's 100% the best deck in the game right now

>>531311507
Sprind or whatever send Quillbolt to grave and then proceed to use it as infinite material
Shits busted

>>531311939
post a combo or something because I have no idea what you're talking about

As a new player with only 2 months under my belt, I find this under 5 event fucking GARBAGE. Holy shit, its not fun playing a deck you never used, and loaner are mostly garbage anyway. I have no resources to build something. No wonder they're generous with gems on this shit, only veteran play.

>>531311901
Nuh-uh, it's not tier 0 therefore it's not the best deck in the game.

>>531313005
I've been having fun with the Materiactor loaner
Prolly will build it once I got enough dust to craft 3 UR because I'm broke af rn

>>531313005
This isn't really a good event regardless but it's a good example of why you should still build rogue decks on the side

>>531313331
That guy is so stupid I swear.

>>531313523
What do you do with the loaner?
My plan is to basically try to end on this every turn.
I'm not really "familiar" with the deck so I don't know if I'm missing something.

>>531311901
Can you read?
When did anyone ever say it wasnt the best deck?

>>531314457
The Maliss player

>>531313005
you can build pacifis field spell deck its bunch normal/rare craft materials, even better if u have primite stuff but its not required, back it up with cheap traps and it should get the job done

>>531314252
I just excavate and attach as much shit as I can from top of the deck and then retrieve whichever seems good kek
So my endboard is usually just the insect xyz + a live UR Materiactor Xyz, but with some handtrap attached

I'm liking this under 5 event so far.
Really no bullshit to deal with unlike the Fusion/Links festival.

>>531314867
https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/master-v/june-2025/phantasm-spiral/cattivonio/QD82h

Something like that ? What do I replace Dominus and pirmite stuff with ?

What I learn from these events is that link is a cancer

>>531315528
using my sharks deck :]

>>531314550
Where?

>>531315638
primite cards are really helpful but if u dont have them then try to fill deck with cards dogmatika punishment if you have ntss if not then cheap traps like mirror force,torrential,lost wind,extrav for draws, maybe raigeki/darkhole+feather duster for sack factor. Its not amazing but people usually have low willpower in these kind of festivals, u dont need amazing deck to steal some wins

>>531307481
Umm...how did you fit that into a Lyrilusc deck?

>>531285232
Finished in one day, including the title, with a loaner just like the Fusion/Link festival, then fucked off.

Do we know anything about next pack? I dont know if I should save gems

>>531313005
>and loaner are mostly garbage anyway
You're just a noob. One of the loaners in these events is always good enough to be a decent match against even constructed decks.

>>531309779
Mind posting? I'd like to try materiactor, sounds interesting with the armored package. Used armored with sharks but probably not to the full potential besides setting up that rank 7 to steal stuff.

>>531317697
no and the leaker has been kidnapped and is currently locked in Konami's dungeon
its either gonna be ryzeal immediately following maliss OR they're not gonna drop ryzeal until maliss is out of the shop
no way of knowing so just hold

>>531314867
I ran into only 1 of those players at the event(already finished it). Just used the loaner and negated their shit 4 times then they rage quit, lmao.

>>531315638
Three of this.

>>531313523
That one seems to be the least played out of the 3 loaners.

>>531317757
That's my point, dumb bitch, learn to read.

>>531313005
remember that true draco always got your back mate
the friends of all broke new players

just prolly not this list specifically kek, i'm just throwing whatever i have because my usual set of floodgate like monarch erupt and grave of super organism ain't working in u5
prolly you're better off adding pot and apophis instead of you're finished and droll, but i can't be arsed crafting those currently

>>531318186
You called the loaners garbage. >>531313005

>>531318340
>stygian is legal

What the fuck man.

>>531318097
censored name

>>531318031
>activate ULTIMATE SLAYER
>naturia bitch instantly scoops
wight KINGS stay winning

>>531318419
learn to read, dumb bitch. Words are meant to be read together, not cut out.

>>531318340
thanks brother, do you have any way to give the name or something ? I cant recogonize any of them. Just started the game.

>>531318575
domain also legal fwiw

>>531319108
all legal true draco cards x3 except x2 disciples
stygian dirge x3
fiendish chain x2, phantom knight fog blade x3
droll & lock x2, raigeki x1, triple tactics talent x1, droplet x2, solemn warning x2 (can be substituted with whatever disruption you have on hand)
unending nightmare x1, demise of the land x1, you're finished x2 (flex spot, fill with whatever)

>>531319108
>calls someone else dum when I was pointing out the exact thing you said in your post.
Retard.

>>531320228
excellent, thanks, changed solemn for ash blossom. What about the extra deck ?

>>531321354
>What about the extra deck ?
that's the beauty of it
true draco ain't using no extra deck

...wait, shit, i forgot to add x3 anchamoufrite
just replace something with it, prolly drop x2 you're finished and a fog blade

>>531322194
thanks brother, i'll learn it. Hopefully it can carry my ass in future event as well. That would be a good investment, I just want the gems.

khaos starsource dragon is kind of good

>>531173273 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3h4sePPX2Y

i cant believe i managed to unbrick this hand, im pretty sure i wouldve lost had i not imperm their kagari

yeah I'm convinced that cards like super poly, droplet, and ultimate slayer shouldn't exist
we can't promote interactions then have cards that say "HURR YOU CAN'T INTERACT WITH ME WHEN I ACTIVATE THIS"
if you could respond they'd be far more balanced

>>531327352
>I should be allowed to negate cards that break my unbreakable board
Nah.
Kill yourself.

>>531327352
Super Poly is okay in my book.
But they fucked up when they started making fusion monsters that require only generic materials.
Specific monster name + generic material? Monster type + monster type/attribute? Those are okay.
2 monsters with the same Type and Attribute, but different names? 2 monsters with the same Attribute but different Types? Those are not okay.
So either they ban those, or make an errata that forced you to use at least 1 monster from your hand or field as material.

>>531327352
>>531328041
>going -2 to remove 2 monsters vs player who went first and probably drew like 3-4 cards through his combo is le unbalanced

>>531328041
>from your hand
Super Poly only works with monsters on the field.

If you use one of your own, you're going minus 3 to remove one of theirs.

If you use both you mostly break even, and are punishing them for using boss monsters vulnerable to super poly instead of playing around it. Especially since you don't often put up anything useful. Garura for example is harder to get out than Mud Dragon which means it's specifically punishing particular set ups, which is also done to help how they design certain archetypes. Usually they factor in what weaknesses they want a deck to have when designing it, so they know if they want to make something vulnerable to Garura for example, if they want to make the going second player go + 1 off Super Poly in order to balance things out. Especially since Super Poly is not searchable.

The card is perfectly fine, and easy to play around. If you lose to it, it's your fault.

>>531328634
>>531328742
One thing does not necessarily ignores the other.
If I could, I would also neuter combo enablers too, but alas we live in a shit timeline.

>>531328042
cute bunny

>>531328809
It's a good thing you're not in charge of the game. I bet you believe the TCG bans cards for balance too and that their Banlist is better, right?

>>531328042
She looks like an RPG Maker H-Game Heroine.

>>531329296
No, I believe TCG bans to sell product.

>>531328809
The problem is that you and the other guy have this false preconception of what interaction is.

MtG and Yu-Gi-Oh, because they have a lot of instant speed interruptions seem to have fooled a lot of players into falsely believing that all interaction has to be instant-speed and often some sort of interruption that stops your opponent from doing whatever they are doing.

As someone who also often players Pokemon and Duel Masters, I can tell you, interaction is a lot more than just have a quick effect that negates, or banishes/destroys something to stop the other players, and often times, the fact that things HAVE to be instant speed often limits play option to just setting up a stack/chain of effects and having those resolve, when in fact, if you say "this cannot be responded to" it often opens up more design options for what designers can do as a follow up to that.

One very easy example of this is "what happens if you Super Poly a Tearlaments monster" the player on the recieving end HAS a follow up.

But consider effects that trigger with "if this card was removed" or "if this card is in your GY" etc.... you want to design stuff this way, and you also want ro design cards in ways that start to drift away from monster spam and instead have layers of interaction.

It's ok to have instant speed disruption and counter disruption, but also want cards that cannot be responded to so players are forced to think more strategically as well and look toward other options available.

And that's the direction in which Yu-Gi-Oh is moving. A lot of condensed engines, cards with 3 effects, often GY triggers, a lit of instant speed cards, but also powerful cards that cannot be reacted to to help break the board open, while also presenting multiple layers of interaction between Hand, Field, Backrow, and GY/Banish.

Like, you're wanting to go toward this older slower style of game from like 3 years ago when we moved onto Yu-Gi-Oh 4.0 since Snake Eye's, arguably Tearlaments

>maxx c is at 2
>yet 80% of my opponents draw it
I think the game hates me

>>531328634
>>going -2
>-1 copy of superpoly
>-1 discard
>removes two bodies from your opponent's field
>+1 body on your field
>if that body is garura you draw +1 card too
please learn to count anon

>>531330427
>If
If the opponent summoned Garura, you're being rightfully punished for not playing around that option.

>>531330535
Which is retarded because Garura/Mudragon exclusively punish decks that have type/attribute locks when ALL of the top decks from the past few years are top because they have 0 locks at all and can end on any random generic shit under the sun

It's funny to me that Verte is banned in TCG and OCG, yet has been free the entire time in MD, and it's not an issue at all, even with Dragoon and DPE fully unlimited.

I remember people freaking out about the possibility of Dragoon being free in MD, often arguing he couldn't come back if Verte was legal. And look at how that went. It's a total non-issue.

Makes me wonder how many other cards that are banned that people argue couldn't come off actually can come off and it wouldn't matter. I'm sure there are many.

>>531331017
>when ALL of the top decks from the past few years are top because they have 0 locks at all and can end on any random generic shit under the sun
Wasn't this thread arguing for days that Maliss is the top deck?
Isn't that deck comprised of Dark Cyberse monsters and is extremely vulnerable to Super Poly?

I'm pretty sure the same holds true for all the other meta decks. I'm fairly certain all the top decks are vulnerable to Super Poly, and this is by design.

>>531330427
playing super poly fusion targets in extra deck is opportunity cost too, most of meta slop has no space for that shit either, usually its fusion decks that do it because they have some other additional targets

>>531331108
das right
sneedlefiber must be freed, just lock up the stupid plane instead or errata it so it cant be used for link summons

>>531331108
bring Delicious Memory back up to 3! Purrely would not suddenly become meta, I'd just be able to run Epurrely Happiness again and not feel bad about it

>>531331482
Yep, and Fusion Decks also don't often do Links and have a hard time making the most of that Muddragon. So the "extra body" can often be more of a nuisance than otherwise, with the occasional situational benefit of it's effect being helpful protection. I think the only deck that makes the most of Muddragon as an extra body is Chimera since they can run Fiendsmith.

But like you said, a lot of Fusion decks also Fusion Lock.

Even Tears can't often do much with Mud Dragon, and Super Poly also isn't a good card for that deck since it's a mill deck.

Blue Eyes is a scummy deck for retarded people

>>531331987
I'd say I hate it got turned into syncrospam combo-slop, but I honestly don't know what the deck strat was before that.

>>531332110
>highest calling being ending on 2 mid synchro monsters = synchrospam combo slop

i can't believe people play this for money

>>531332341
White cards are always Syncrospam comboslop unless the archetype has SOUL in its name.

>>531332642
I can't believe people pay money to play this.

>>531332642
Yugioh will join the big boy club someday
Trust the plan

>>531332642
What money? YGO is notorious for having no prize pool

>>531333307
YGO requires too much reading
It will never be big

>>531316798
Read the thread

>activate branded fusion, which I just added to my hand, have call by in hand
>no ash
>set called by and end turn
>end of the turn, albion search
>ash'd
I believe in the cheating rumors. I believe.

>>531334256
>people played around me?! Must be cheating...

>>531334256
>He toggled off? He must be cheating!

>internet working fine all throughout the day and week
>about to gain the upper hand
>connection error
I believe in the cheating rumors. I believe.

>>531334194
I read it. It's not there. Show me.

>>531267563
>>531261476
Okay so you've never faced this deck before I get it

>>531334256
Branded Fusion is Ash bait, of course.
But it doesn't means your opponent needs to activate Ash in response to Branded Fusion.

>>531260413
I fucking WISH that were true
This is the worst Melodious meta we've had the deck is worthless into non-target banishes and Impulse being everywhere

Ban Silverrokket Dragon
It's just Unicorn with 3 E Teles

>>531334256
kek. that is very strange. i'd probably think he knew my hand as well

>>531337418
...why?
If you are going to ban a card that doesn't special summon itself for free, and only activates when an effect that TARGETS it, then banish everything from Kashtira.
Dragon Link hasn't been relevant since what?

why are gimmick puppet players allowed to win coinflips?

>>531338736
Gimmick puppet is more honest about what it wants to do than decks that set up ftk boards. Very based deck for euthanizing games.

>>531338736
>>531339209
Hmmm yes, very honest.
Tenpai, despite also being a honest deck, was heavily limited.
Why puppets have this preferential treatment?