Flamin' Hot Edition

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>Latest News/Updates:

Vermintide 2:
Steam Hotfix 6.6.4 - 30th of June
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/steam-hotfix-6-6-4-30th-of-june/110130

Darktide:
Free Update: Battle for Tertium - Out Now! (Patch Notes)
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/free-update-battle-for-tertium-out-now-patch-notes/109117
Hotfix #72 (1.8.4) - Patch Notes
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-72-1-8-4-patch-notes/110661

>Acknowledged but not really discussed
Ready Or Not
Starship Troopers Extermination
Aliens: Fireteam Elite
Killing Floor 2
Barotrauma
Left4Dead 2
SCP: 5K
GTFO
No More Room in Hell 2
Helldivers 2
Space Marine 2
Remnant 2
Payday 3
Back4Blood
Deep Rock Galactic
Earth Defense Force 6
WWZ
The Outlast Trials
The Forever Winter
FBC: Firebreak
and others

>Future games
Killing Floor 3 - 24 jul
Den Of Wolves - TBA
DarkSwarm - TBA
Blight: Survival - TBA
Jump Ship - TBA Demo Out

Build planners:
Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/
Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/
Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

>charmingly old school
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUiT0fAExKU

Cadia?
More like CACAdia!

FAH CADYA!!!!!

>>531654446
Based and Cadiapilled.

>>531654636
I see this and picture Creed as Garfield in my head.

Weapon pack?

Lorefags? What novel did this exquisite exchange between the two Primarchs known as The Lion and Guilliman take place in?
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RjS1nlXy1O4&pp=ygUScm9ib3V0ZSBzbW9rZSBzZXNo

What's his fucking problem?

post your stats

>>531655965
>+8 -7
wat

>>531655727
I propose we all ignore this post.

>>531655824
He joined the Nurgleites and got in on that hardcore depression instead of just being a fuck pig for Slaanesh.

>>531656115
he's scored eight goals this game and yet he's been on the field for 15 against, so his net score is -7

>>531655727
Kek’d. It’s pretty in line with how condescending he is

>>531656115
I think it's that mod that tracks how many games you've won and lost with a particular person

>>531654048 (OP)
I can fix her

>>531658239
>>531655965
wow i installed it and all the numbers are red?? why are there so many shitters holding me back how do i escape this hell

Why the fuck does the helbore have like a 2 second draw animation when the plasma gun does as much damage and has 100 cleave? is the bayonet that good that it needs a bunch of retarded drawbacks? Also is the arbites the new standard for class balance, it feels like it outshines every class in every job.

>>531658663
it used to be worse lol

no the bayonet's good but the short dodge distance and inability to push leave helbore as a fun gimmick that can't really cope with gameplay above auric

>>531658663
Seems so
Ogryns and arbiteses are almost equal in strength and have similar talent trees

>>531655727
everyone knows fulgrim had the best puffs

>>531658876
The bayonet however used tobe better as it was affected by your melee weapon blessings such as brutal momentum

>>531658663
that and the helbore sights are the reason i hate it so much, it's a cool weapon but fuck is that frustrating

>>531658593
the database needs to be built first you lying crusher

>>531659101
also feels like it used to be like 30% faster

>>531659191
It probably was

YOU'RE LAUGHING
THERE IS 0 HYPE FOR KILLING FLOOR 3 RELEASE
AND YOU'RE LAUGHING

>>531659876
What? Really?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

>>531659876
every time someone brings up KF3 i remember its actually coming out

KF3 stalker is not going to be day one in the game?

>>531659876
I'm hyped for all the shitposts

>>531659876
There's a Killing floor 3?

>>531660535
>3 kill floors
>no killing walls
>no killing roof
Wtf are these devs doing?

>>531660535
Can't wait for Killing 4loor in 2028

guys, were you aware that this update was copaganda?

>>531661468
>Atoma Man Killed In Arbites Raid
>the atoma man in question

What class do you hate running into the most playing with Pugs in DT? Any standout retard-magnets? What are the most annoying things you have to deal with from other players?

>>531662793
>What are the most annoying things you have to deal with from other players?
Shitter arbites wasting 20% ammo killing a horde of poxies then spamming I NEED AMMO while ignoring the ammo bag I pinged outside their FOV (they have no object permanence)
Psykers that do nothing but hug the floor all game
I actually kind of like rushing knife zealots because they artificially trigger a lot more spawns which is fun, and also frequently rage quit when they inevitably go down 100m from the team

>>531662793
as a vet into other vets

>>531662793
Most are fine. 90% of barrel teamkills are retards spamming the trauma staff on psykers though.

>>531659876
Such a pretty game too!

>>531663134
i bet it runs like a dream

>>531662739
What happens to chaos niggas that make them look like this

Post your best Killing Floor 3 pun.

>>531659876
killing floor 3 will save payday 3

>>531662989
>rushing knife zealots
My brother runs that whenever he plays with me, and it just seems instinctive for them to separate from the group zooming ahead until something inevitably claps/catches them

>>531664242
>it just seems instinctive for them to separate from the group zooming ahead
That might just be a general shitter instinct, and knife on an already fast class just happens to enable it particularly well. I run knife to go fast and check corners/crates, then regroup with the team, but shitters don't know what that is.

>>531664218
and who will save darktide

So this is it… We're trapped in Darktide forever?

>>531662793
Absolutely based horse poster
>>531663615
They unleashed the beast

>>531664479
darktide isn't worth saving

>>531658663
Bayonet's pretty solid, and because it's supposed to be, I assume a 40k Equivalent to a WWI Bolt action rifle (Since Krieg is planet "The Western Front")

I still wish there was a proper Longlas with a scope for proper sniping.

>monstrosity spawns
>everything is fine
>someone triggers a daemonhost
>things get a little hectic but everything is fine
>make a single mistake and get trapped
>instantly wipe
why

>>531665739
You fucked up.

>>531665792
>co-op game
>nobody co-operates

>>531664479
it doesnt need saving

Why you didn't dodge that net anon? everything was going fine...

>>531662793
>People with more than Three wounds
>Anyone that goes invisible or has a knife
>Psykers who don't know how to deal with Peril
>Zealots with more than three wounds that keep diving packs of walkers and doing down

Most annoying is me pinging resources and no one even trying to come for 'em. They could have red ammo and low health and I'm pinging medicae and stims and ammo and they just keep moving like "nigga I'm gonna stay here and cover you, just grab some useful crap".

Like the fast stim I kinda get, not everyone is impressed, but any other stim should be just a quick grab.

Also people that get fussy because I'm picking a fight with a Daemonhost...as a Ogryn...with a machine gun...having just pressed his F....and injecting himself with a speed/combat stim to chunk 'em even harder...

>>531662793
People who double dip the ammo box.
People who dip the ammo bow when their ammo count is still white

>>531666057
just use your shout/book and pick me up friendo

>>531662989
>Psykers that do nothing but hug the floor all game

But my beloved said he dropped a contact lens and I have to find it!

>>531666281
Anon...

>>531666369
>beloved
Some of that dialogue is amazing desu. No beloved! That's not a good dog! It made me chuckle ngl

So the paid DLC class, one of the 4 big updates this year is half-broken and they said they'll release a hotfix in a month?

Everyone talks Ratlings. If they added them, what skill trees could they have? I mean the Sniper one is a given but what else COULD you do with a Ratling?

>>531666936
Correct.

>>531667042
>COULD you do with a Ratling?
I may have an idea.

>>531667197
>draw a little (inbred) girl
>give her huge tits
I hate this artist.

>>531667042
shooting stealth
quick gettaway to shooting
ankle biter maxxing?

>>531667379
I hate how he did Orks. Great art work, but come on, I like my silly hooligans. Extended teeth on an orc is just stupid.

>>531667379
Its a ratling

>>531667379
You're the problem.

>>531664432
He's not a bad player. But he is a bad team-player. It was the same thing when we played VT.

I don't think his favorite character will surprise you. I think it's the way that most modern shooters play that fucks with peoples game-sense the moment it's not all about you and your personal performance

>>531667197
would 100% and sober

>>531666475
just use your 80% reduced damage for 10 seconds aura and let the doggo take care of the rest :)

>>531667981
>the doggo
anon..................

>>531668052
you have regenerating electro mines thingies, use them!!!! I need to be picked up fast!!!!

>>531665935
how BAD was tide at launch?

>>531667482
>short veteran

>>531668271
JUST DODGE THE FUCKING NET

Lore question: Are there any American voices in 40k? It can't all be either British or vaguely European.

>>531668381
>trapper walks into point blank
>no audio cue
>no time to react
>just instantly netted

>>531668284
atrocious
>>531668381
*heavy voice*
No

>>531668457
Mazosi

Arbies unironically ruined Darktide. The concept of an all-rounder makes sense considering the established classes all have their niches, however the obvious powercreep demonstrates how little Fatshark plays or cares about their own game that they thought that this class that does literally everything all the time with no downside was going to be a good addition. They're tanky, they destroy shit in melee, their unique ranged options can focus on cleave or sniping, they can choose to be more supportive or more frontline for their career abilities and blitzes and even have sub-choices in these roles regarding their default NPC companion (which is more useful than 95% of all human teammates until it isn't.) There is never a time when every optimized team isn't 4 Ogryns/Arbites, of whatever mix.

>>531668572
That's just vague Afro-Caribbean though. Like what if there were a band of Orks that talked like backwater hicks?

>>531668457
GW released a short video where ratlings were talking with an appalachian hillbilly accent

>>531668801
Now I really want Ratlings.

>>531668801
>>531668892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDMioOzckeA

>>531668457
obviously catachans

>pathfinder hate kf3
it's ogre

>>531669450
they could be aussies

>>531669450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioyLptGWKaw

ny1 wan pley havoc gaeimu???

>>531668993
>>531669778

>TFW No wholesome Ratling to cheer the strike team up
>TFW no Sylvester Stallone Catachan that everyone barely understands.

>>531670192
instead we get a french, 2 slavs and a jeet

>>531666506
Yes. He’s the best Psyker personality for a reason
>>531667042
>Everyone talks Ratlings
Like 3 people do this. Everyone else accepts they’re probably never happening and if they are it’s going to be Votann.
>>531667379
Nah it’s fine.

>>531670191
I would but I have to play castle crashers with friends
what's your fatshark code and I'll add you latorz

>>531668457
>It can't all be either British or vaguely European.
Why not? It’s a fictional sci fi universe. It can be assumed that there are various accents throughout the Imperium and it is confirmed that they’ve come across them before in novels where people can barely understand one another but I don’t see why an American one is a given

>>531671289
No I mean the characters in game. THey sometimes bring up Ratlings.

>>531668676
It’s just African. There’s nothing Caribbean about it.
t. Caribbean person and liver
>>531670738
>2 slavs
The female authoritarian and… who?

>>531671620
the ogryn one

>>531671620
I see what you mean. It's just you know that "TV Caribbean voice" when they WANT a Caribbean but can't actually get one?

Or like how there's normal Scottish and "BBC Scottish"?

>out of memory after 2 hours
anon was right, those mods are no good

>>531667523
>I like my silly hooligans
They’re only silly from their own perspective. To a human perspective they’re absolutely terrifying, which is what he usually portrays. That said yeah I don’t like the weird gorilla teeth either.

>>531671660
Ahh right.
>>531671751
Ehhh I guess I could hear it like that yeah. A lot of her stuff feels exaggerated in general, I wonder if it’s her real accent.

>auric maelstrom
>Warren 6-19 (destroy the stimms), scab spam
>one guy instantly alt+F4s upon dying, bot ends up playing better than him
>LOOGER asks for ammo, but his lack of object permanence renders him unaware of the ammo crate I just put down despite pinging it for 10 seconds straight
>question marks in chat after I tell him to get back here
>both teammates' lack of object permanence also renders them incapable of walking back 10m to the medkit I put down after they inevitably eat shit
>scanning puzzle finished (all me, obviously), off to the stimms
>decide to press on to avoid getting caught in the sniper/gunner gallery
>my retards aren't even up the stairs by the time I've destroyed all the tanks (wtf?)
>whatever, heal up, press on, do the hacking
>they somehow get caught up with a weakened beast of nurgle, struggle to kill it, zealot dies to it
>by the time I finish hacking and destroy the big aids tank, the ogryn still isn't past the medicae
>the mission only ends what must've been 2 minutes early because the ogryn graciously died so I could extract
White text

>>531672281
>I wonder if it’s her real accent.
no she's fully american and they made her do it. She's like a theatre kid and they gave her that role and made her talk in ooga booga african lol. She is a single mom now btw

female prfessional vet is also a niggress

>>531672678
in all honesty
dropped medkits should be markable too, like ammo crates.

>>531668468
It's been dogs getting me lately.
>hear like one bark and no more for like 30s
>then I hear the pounce growl as the thing's already dragging me to the ground to give me the knot
t-thanks, Fatshark-sama

Focus target! Talent question on veteran
lets say i focus target at 1 stack but dont kill the target until i reach 5 stacks. Does the damage and other talents then scale to the 5 stacks or is the 1 stack "snapshotted" so there i no benefit anymore?

>>531672875
Thank you for your honesty

>>531673273
Glad that libtard bitch is banned because he'd always act smug and retarded about dogs being bugged
>watch dog run up to me
>get ready to push and dodge
>dog teleports on to of me with the sound playing too late
Hate those fucking things

I've talked about how much I like Adamant Will before, for allowing me to do objectives relatively unmolested thanks to the stun immunity, and arbitrator's stupid amounts of toughness regen letting me shrug most things off.
After some testing, Arbites Vigilant is actually kind of incredible (with BTL and dog). I thought that dropping my stacks would be annoying, but between being able to gain multiple stacks of Forceful in a single swing, and the dog also generating stacks, I tend to get back to full within the 3 second grace period on Adamant Will.
I'd love to also take Targets Acquired (the attack speed and cleave), but I unfortunately didn't have much more room in my build, and it was either this, or the +25% strength. The +25% strength seems to have it beat, out of all the testing I've done. I could theoretically afford it by dropping some nodes I don't strictly need, but I want them, and the 10% attack speed don't make a world of difference compared to Rebreather or Man and Cyber-Mastiff both letting me do objectives without giving a fuck.

>>531673895
You need to mark the target again to apply the 5 stacks

>>531673925

>>531674290
this is kinda sad. I dont know if i want to take that talent anymore

>>531674471
I've stopped looking at Focus Target! as a damage amp (which is good, and you can just hold onto it when a monstrosity spawns then piss on it for max stacks), and more as a source of toughness and stamina, especially for Deadshot builds. Target Down! is a pretty big burst of defensive stats for fucking everyone, and I wouldn't underestimate it.

>>531659876
>laughing
I am entirely apathetic, just like I was when KF2 came out.

>>531674267
I knew that forceful would be the meta keystone from the very start. Anything that makes you more like an ogryn is better

>>531674936
I exclusively value it for the stun immunity, though the toughness regen and +25% strength are obviously quite nice. If the average player's IQ were greater than 70, allowing my pubtards to actually pay attention to objectives, I wouldn't put any value on it.
I still think Execution Order is better overall, but fagshart broke it and said it would remain broken for at least another 2 weeks, and I'm not going to be using a literally non-functioning talent.

>>531674168
People who claim special sounds haven't pretty much always been fucky at times (but especially fucked lately) or that they haven't had other issues over the years are people who don't play the game.

>>531675119
Classic fatshark moment
>>531675205
I think it's the histg giga spawns drowning out the special sounds

>>531675205
>are people who don't play the game.
Or they only play malice, where no more than five specials are on the map at the same time, so there's nothing to pollute audio cues.

>>531671961
I mean they should be threatening, that's fine. But way that guy does it is like someone that REALLY loves Greenskin rape.

>>531675332
Yeah it's always by far the worst there, and I do think that's part of the issue, but it seems to happen periodically in normal HI games as well. Though I guess audio overrides could happen there as well if the director decides it's blowout time.

>>531675356
Good point

>>531672875
yeah that always bugs me. Gotta do a normal marker and stand by it and hope "ape copies ape" happens.

>>531675729
Ammo crates have a marker, and turning more than 90 degrees is still a foreign concept to the average retard, so no matter how hard you ping it, if it's not directly within their view cone, they will not acknowledge it exists. The same goes for big ammo bags in a corner.

>>531674267
AV is something we've agreed was powerful with hastened BTL cooldown since like day 1. Pretty sure BTL itself generates stacks, but I could be misremembering that. Haven't touched my Arby much in the last week or so.
>I'd love to also take Targets Acquired (the attack speed and cleave), but I unfortunately didn't have much more room in my build
Find a source of additive damage and drop it. Attack speed is essentially multiplicative power/strength, and AV gives you strength that would make up for any lost damage and then some. I'd personally drop Adamant Will for the Targets Acquired, but I get that it's a nice thing to have. I ran TWBS for a good while back when the game came out. Just make sure you don't end up crutching on it like I was with TWBS and gunner fire.

>>531674654
the thing is, i only have 1 point left maybe you can help me out
usually i would just take the 5% crit but im kinda in doubt. The build is simple, i mow down everything with the fast firing infantry gun version

>>531675616
>but it seems to happen periodically in normal HI games as well
It's most likely to happen when several gunners are firing at the same time along with the special spawns

>>531675970
>Find a source of additive damage and drop it.
I already dropped all sources of additive damage in favor of minmaxing for survivability and general stability. The marked points are the only ones left that I could consider ditching, but BTL upgrades offer both defense and uptime for AV, while all the other nodes trivializes doing objectives.
I could theoretically ditch Razor-Jaw Augment since it's doing a lot less since the most recent fix, but it's still netting me an average of ~70k damage per game for a single point, so I still think it's worth the investment.
A slightly more damage focused setup would likely be "better", but much more of a chore to carry with. I'm not exactly hurting for damage either way.

>>531676676
Those 2 subnodes for BTL are pretty much mandatory. The power spikes from them are huge.

NO FREAKING WAY!!!

>>531676167
If you're not going top right for the reload node, you should absolutely go down the center for the massive damage resist and regen from Confirmed Kill.
If you need to free up a point, always drop Field Improv first. I know how much it hurts to do, but it's usually the best course of action.
Running the melee crit node has some implications about what weapon you're using, so I assume you're not willing to ditch it, which is fine.
Rending AND monster damage aren't strictly necessary to take both. I assume you took rending for a good reason (knife bleed or something), so consider ditching Bring it Down! if you need to free up points.

It ultimately depends on your choice of weapons. If you're running some infernus lasgun and a bleed knife, you should be able to rape monsters without even trying all that hard, just crit them until they bleed and burn and keep both DoTs at max stacks.

>>531676676
>Concussive
Depending on the weapon you're using, this won't do much at all for you. Both Arbites weapons stagger everything shy of bosses just fine without it.
>Dog passive regen
I'd drop that for sure. You already have a ton of toughness regen. You shouldn't need more. I personally hate having to be within a certain range of the dog for that node. If you're getting pushed back, then you might be frequently dipping outside of its range as it pounces stuff. That's mostly a worst-case though. It's not a bad talent, just the worst among a lot of insanely strong ones. Imposing Force might be worth grabbing over this, but damage reduction is multiplicative, so keep that in mind.
>Rebreather
There's no need for this outside of gas missions, which, if you're quickplaying while they're on the board, is fair enough.
>BTL nodes
You really want those with Arbites Vigilant. Don't drop them.

>>531676876
>Those 2 subnodes for BTL are pretty much mandatory.
Only with Arbites Vigilant. 20 seconds (shortened slightly by curio CDR) is short as fuck, especially when you have shock mines for when things get so bad you'd want to be spamming it.

>play ogryn
>entire team refuses to shoot gunners

>>531678342
HAHAHAHAHAHA YOU POSTED IT AGAIN HAHAJAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAHADFSDXFSVF

>>531677545
If you don't see the value in 5 seconds removed then you probably just don't play the game much. Runs are saved because of 5 seconds. By itself that's 25% more ult uptime, which gives you +25% damage for 6 seconds, and every use can restore toughness and stamina back to full. With all your CDR available minus Malocator, it regularly goes down to around a 11 second cooldown.

>>531678659
I have almost 2.3k hours in the game and i don't give a shit about those 5 seconds

>>531677545
>>Concussive
With the shield maul, it makes a difference for cleaving through mixed hordes, and TTK on ogryns, and it's not exactly minor. I do think it's massively overrated, but every time I've dropped it, the build felt less effective.
>>Dog passive regen
Is definitely the worst node in the posted build, but it's a large portion of what lets me do objectives unmolested. I agree that it's bad for all of the reasons you've listed, but the dog tends to stick close to you when doing hacking puzzles. Its AI is less retarded than one might think.
Explicitly BECAUSE I took it for objectives, I would never consider taking Imposing Force over it.
>>Rebreather
Agreed, obviously extremely situational and fluctuating between S-tier and borderline useless, but there's another reason I take it even when not quickplaying: Micro managing builds is fucking annoying and I'm lazy, so I'd rather just chuck it in and keep it, while acknowledging that I'm a little bit less than optimal.

>>531678659
>If you don't see the value in 5 seconds removed then you probably just don't play the game much. Runs are saved because of 5 seconds.
Congratulations on missing the point of what I said, smugfag retard.

>especially when you have shock mines for when things get so bad you'd want to be spamming it.
If you waste all your mines on stupid shit without saving any for when things get really hairy, you're the retard. The 18s CD or whatever it is is plenty all the way to Havoc 40. You have two other sources of extremely good CC on Arbites that you can also run (i.e. mines and shield+maul), but you shouldn't need both in Aurics. In Aurics, you'll rarely feel like you're even missing out by having the long CD and frag nades with any melee weapon. You don't need to stack CC for aurics. You can always back off for a couple seconds before re-engaging. If you haven't by now learned how and when to give ground, then I don't know what to tell you.
> By itself that's 25% more ult uptime, which gives you +25% damage for 6 seconds
That 25% damage is additive and isn't going to make a huge difference with most builds on Arbites. You get so much inbuilt damage on the class, that the 25% damage from BTL is unironically negligible on many builds.
>every use can restore toughness and stamina back to full
On a class with like 7 different talents that give incredible toughness regen almost constantly, I really don't care.

Why does the penance woman keep wanting to touch me

>>531672701
Ah. That explains a lot then.
>She is a single mom now btw
No surprises there.
>>531672873
Grim.

>>531679271
Build OP here, and not the guy insisting that Targeted Brutality is mandatory, but I agree that it's extremely good, specifically because you got it wrong
>That 25% damage is additive and isn't going to make a huge difference with most builds
You also get the +25% strength from Arbites Vigilant (which >>531676676 uses), and the cdr nodes achieve nearly 100% uptime, and strength is a very, very powerful stat.

>>531679490
Catholicism is weird like that.

Did a Saint dribble a bit of wine on his shirt once? It's now the holiest of all relics kept in the Vatican's depths.

>>531675401
Well, he is Korean. They’re very big on that kind of thing for some reason

>>531679213
>With the shield maul, it makes a difference for cleaving through mixed hordes
Ah, I was focused mostly on single-target when I was testing. I'll have to go look into that.
>Is definitely the worst node in the posted build, but it's a large portion of what lets me do objectives unmolested
You can usually find a lull in the action to do objectives, even with the mouthbreathingest of retards, but it can take time, and if you want to circumvent that, I can understand that.
>Micro managing builds is fucking annoying and I'm lazy
Kek. Say no more. I only do it for Havoc. Can't be fucked to dick around with that shit in Aurics, and I have had a few quick plays where I wasn't paying attention and ended up in the gas chamber without my mask.

>>531679573
No, I didn't get it wrong. I specifically mentioned that the CDR is only mandatory WITH Arbites Vigilant. I know AV gives strength, but the 6s buff gives damage (and impact, but you have enough already, especially with Forceful).

>>531679271
You don't play the game.

>>531680051
Projection/10

>>531677030
Right path is just too good i feel. You get the ability to gen toughness via bleeds, ranged and grenade bleeds which is cool and ontop you get 5% more otughness gen for melee. Middle is good if you are a good player but in some rounds i get like 20 special kills which is nothing hence why i want to compensate with target down because it doesnt matter who does the killing for the 20 toughness to kick in. But yeah, dropping the medipack it is then, really hurts but its either that or demo team and i feel like demo team is the bigger bang for the buck. cheers

>use BTL to reposition
>lose all of my DR and toughness regen because of arbites vigilant
Thanks

>>531679671
its not that weird they just did the whole relic thing to sell them and also make people take pilgrimages to see them, which is basically the precursor of modern tourism and was very lucrative for any city or town that managed to find or invent an interesting relic

>>531679690
>I was focused mostly on single-target when I was testing. I'll have to go look into that.
I'd have to go back and do more focused testing to come to a scientific conclusion, but when I spawned flak ragers and gunners and counted the amount of swings needed to kill them, Concussive took at least a couple fewer swings. I'd assume part of that is setting up the rending blessing with cleave even after running out of damage budget, when the first swing wouldn't stagger for whatever reason.
I don't remember my testing method, and I'm not going back to test it now, but I believe Concussive also has the +10% attack speed beat for single target on crushers. This is obviously ignoring the cleave, which is good, and I would place much more value on in h40 than the fucking dog regen, but I'd also be a lot more likely to run lone wolf with mines, even if dog HAS been useful. Mines are just better.

>>531680165
You forgot
>dog pounces a thing
>gain like 5 stacks before I can swing my weapon even a single time, gaining another 3 stacks

>>531680165
Throw a grenade, shoot enemies, melee enemies, literally just push them even.

>>531680165
>all of my toughness regent
You don't take any of the top nodes? Don't be ridiculous. Arbites has a ton of toughness sources, and you'll get the stacks back in a couple attacks anyway.

>>531680156
>Middle is good if you are a good player but in some rounds i get like 20 special kills which is nothing hence why i want to compensate with target down
kek
Good on you for recognizing your weaknesses and building accordingly, I guess? I vaguely agree with your reasoning, but I still think you should try to pull a point from somewhere and take the 33% toughness resist in the center, it's fucking massive.

>>531680241
I know, the weirdness is more like what the relic specifically is. Sure it can be something you would expect like

>The Skull of a Martyr
>The Burial Shroud of Christ
>The supposed "Heart and Blood" of Christ during a communion in the 1000s
>A supposed piece of the "True Cross"

But again sometimes it's

>A drop of some blood

and from there I made the joke.

>>531679213
nta but dog regen, just like any other regen, is great
I'm trying to cope with my EO withdrawal and tinkering with builds that use no EO or castigator's stance, and this is what I've arrived at
I even fit dog bleed in at the last moment but honestly can't tell if it does anything, it doubles bleed damage on bosses if your dog hits first but not sure if it's worth it
No cleave because rashad
Previous iteration had no dog bleed but Hammer of Judgement, honestly I'll probably revert because rashad feels bad with no extra attack speed
Don't know if I want to skip concussive, it would be a no-brainer if I used a bolter for bosses, but I really want to use a bolt pistol so this time I want to keep the ability to generate toughness from melee hits when fighting bosses

>>531680293
Yeah, I'm messing with it right now, but I don't know. The first heavy on the Mk VI (which I prefer) staggers two Scab Ragers regardless, and I don't see the concussive debuff appearing on anything extra. Maybe with cleave talent bonuses up and hitting 3+, Concussive makes a difference, but it's too much of a hassle for me to bother testing. Not saying there isn't a potential benefit in mixed hordes, but I am beyond the point of caring for my own purposes. Could also be that you're using the II or whatever the other maul+shield variant is, and that's why I'm not seeing a difference.

>>531680596
>it doubles bleed damage on bosses if your dog hits first but not sure if it's worth it
It is. I nuked a beast of nurgle earlier, by sending my dog at it, then shooting 2 puncture rounds and immediately following up with AV/BTL. It just fucking melted.
Try running Power DI and check your bleed damage on non-monstrosities. Chances are, puncture won't do a meaningful amount of damage to anything else, especially chaff, which the dog does surprising amounts of bleed to. Certainly enough to warrant the 1 point if you're already bringing dog.

I'd recommend you take Canine Morale, always. You already have the two damage buffs for the dog, it WILL just kill everything it pounces, short of an ogryn, and likely more often than every 5 seconds. Don't forget that the buff is team-wide, and 20% TDR and 2% toughness/sec are both pretty fucking huge. If I had to choose between either, I'd always take Canine Morale over Imposing Force. Otherwise just take both.

>Don't know if I want to skip concussive
Concussive + Force of Will just combos too nicely, so I wouldn't drop it. Don't forget that Forceful also demands "staggering hits", which Concussive also helps with.

>>531680596
I wasn't saying dog regen is bad, just that it's overkill, and the conditionality of it makes it much less desirable to me. It's a good node, for sure, and I'd love to have something like that on my Zealot (or to just see EWEW not be complete fucking garbage again. How they nerfed that from 5% to 2.5% but gave Arbites not one, but TWO 5%/s toughness nodes is as mindboggling as it is infuriating).

>>531680447
Alright, ill try out the toughness node first and drop the 5 crit chance which also hurts but whatever. i have good damage and ammo management as it is. Thanks for the tipp

>>531681338
>just that it's overkill
nah on the contrary, it only gets good when you stack multiple 5% nodes that result in 15% at least

>>531681625
lmao

>>531681270
You seem to know what you're on about. What build do you use? Ive been taking Havok L's all day as Arborist

>>531681625
>>531681672
NTA but it's true. With the way that toughness works, you want to be at 100% all of the time, because any less than that makes your health vulnerable to melee chip. With enough toughness heal over time, you can tank through chaff hitting you in the back while doing an objective, or shrug off many more rager hits than you would otherwise be able to.
You could also be out in the open, under shooter/gunner fire, and have no melee enemies to steal toughness from (the ogryn problem), but your toughness over time is still going for another 4 seconds so you're fine.

I understand and agree with the logic that such scenarios are kinda shit and you shouldn't find yourself in them in the first place, but it's not like the regen stops working when you're playing optimally either.

>>531682183
I'm >>531676676 and I don't consider myself an authority on havoc 40 arbites, both because I don't think I've played enough of it there, and because I only accept them into my 40s as filler. And I've seen all sorts of meme builds do really well, including ranged focus builds with fucking combat shotguns and impact nades.
I'd want to run Nuncio with EO, but fagshart killed EO and the lazy swiggers aren't fixing it for another 2-6 weeks, so that's dead.

I'd run a very similar build with Lone Wolf, where the other points go should be obvious. Shield maul for melee. I normally use puncture bolt pistol in aurics, but a large part of that is abusing stacking the dog's bleed, and the move speed. With Lone Wolf, and in havoc, I'd probably use the rending shotgun to speed up boss kills, since someone else will definitely have burn and/or bleed handled. Else it's boltgun built purely for boss nuking.

>>531682189
You can avoid such scenarios but you can't avoid fighting a boss and then all the toughness you can get back counts

>>531681270
>Certainly enough to warrant the 1 point if you're already bringing dog.
it's 1 point + 1 point tax
the problem is that you need to have your dog inflict the bleed, if you have an ogryn or someone shoots a bolt pistol at it before the dog inflicts bleed, the setup is ruined
plus there are still plenty arbys who haven't got over dog bleed and will still do the same thing, doesn't matter if you're the only arby in the team though
overall it's not that much damage and is too complex to set up to be worth playing around, would be nice if it was free damage but it's not, it's taxing on your tree and it requires you to play in a specific way when you could just magdump a bolter for a much better effect (which your teammates will still do and make your dog bleed completely non-functional)
The idea is nice but the execution on fatshark side is terrible, they don't know how their own game works so they couldn't make it work like soulblaze and venting shriek (which already does exactly what swedes want dog bleed to do but actually works)
>Concussive
arbites has fuckhuge hidden impact bonus and rashad already staggers everything except bosses, it really ONLY relevant when you fight bosses, and it will only work if you land weakspot hits
it would be busted but most of the time it doesn't do anything because arbys stats are way too overtuned

>>531682189
>you want to be at 100% all of the time, because any less than that makes your health vulnerable to melee chip
Arbites has an insane amount of toughness regen. You don't need to take all the talents for it or hit some 15%/s mark to sustain yourself. You get by exceptionally well without taking all of its best toughness nodes, and if you try to tell me otherwise, I'm not going to believe that you've played any other class besides Arbites in Aurics/Havoc. Any argument to the contrary is retarded or in such hyper-specificity (like trying to force objectives instead of using CC or waiting a short while for a better moment) that it's silly to act like those nodes are anything but preference choices rather than needs. Yes, it's a nice node to have. No, you do not need it when you have so many other, better options that already give you an insane amount of toughness. If you seriously think Up Close + Force of Will + Walk it Off (+ Canine Morale + Will of the Lex/EO) isn't enough, you should consider playing a bit more conservatively.

>You could also be out in the open, under shooter/gunner fire, and have no melee enemies to steal toughness from
You can sprint slide out of every scenario like that barring several Reapers stunraping your asshole into oblivion, in which case a bit more toughness won't help you, only the stun immunity from Forceful would.

>5 silent specials in a single non-STG Auric
Love getting dogged more in these past couple weeks than I did in the last six fucking months. Is it snowing in Sweden yet?

Is it just me or are the Poxwalkers in Havoc a lot more tentacly?

>>531684770
We've always been this way, anon. You're imagining things

>>531684770
*confused tentacle noises*

>>531684529
I agree with most of your points, and don't have that much more to add. Going all the way into all of the toughness over time talents is pretty meme, but I wish all the retard piggers I get in my pubs would do that instead of whatever fucking ammo waste garbage they play. Maybe they would at least survive a horde if they built top heavy.
Shield Plates is disappointing and Target Neutralized is difficult to find space for, so I wouldn't go all the way myself, either.
>consider playing a bit more conservatively.
I would point out that, depending on player skill (and mostly lack thereof), defensive investment can translate indirectly into damage potential because now they're not forced into cover, or going down.
>You can sprint slide out of every scenario
I can and do, but someone has to shoot that sniper killing my retards, and they're pretty fucking hard to get at 50+ meters while sliding around, not that it's impossible like that one anon implied the other week.

>>531498479
This was a good analysis of KF3. Thank you. But damn.

>you don't need all the defensive passives take damage!
>plays shield

Can't believe KF3 looks like this at max settings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7aGTnP3ZI0

>>531686012
>unfitting music for a video game
>music also going incredibly fucking hard while there's only 3 enemies on screen
>those janky character animations
>square crosshair for square shotgun shells fired from a square barrel with square spread
>not a single doah being bosh'd open
I have had absolutely zero investment or interest in Killing Floor past the first installment, but what the fuck went wrong? The shitty, tongue-in-cheek voice acting was like 80% of the charm of the first title and still makes me laugh to this day. This just seems soulless as fuck.
I obviously can't judge the gameplay since I assume this guy is playing on journalist difficulty just to show off the graphics.

>>531685180
>but I wish all the retard piggers I get in my pubs would do that instead of whatever fucking ammo waste garbage they play. Maybe they would at least survive a horde if they built top heavy.
kek. True. I notice lots of shotgun-only Arbites in my games now too
>I would point out that, depending on player skill (and mostly lack thereof), defensive investment can translate indirectly into damage potential because now they're not forced into cover, or going down.
You're right, but it also reinforces bad habits, so it's a double-edged sword. It's something to be pointed out in the future, for sure. Generally though, if someone can't make it through a difficulty without playing one of the most robust classes in the game and going all-in on defensive talents, they need to just go down a difficulty and practice more. It becomes less of a build discussion at that point, at least imhotbqhwyfamalamadingdong.
>I can and do, but someone has to shoot that sniper killing my retards, and they're pretty fucking hard to get at 50+ meters while sliding around, not that it's impossible like that one anon implied the other week.
Of course. That sniper'll be there for eons otherwise. But it'll pen your toughness even if you're at 100%, so you shouldn't be trying to trade with it either way. You don't need to shoot something mid-slide, although you often might if you're gap closing towards that target. You can start ADSing, and then if the prompt comes before you've lined it up and fired, you dodge slide and either shoot while sliding or as soon as you stand up. The sniper's cooldown post-shot gives you plenty of time to hit it once you come out of your slide. You even have time to swap back to melee, push stuff around you and dodge away from it again, pull your gun back out, and shoot the sniper.

>>531686703
>I want drugs, NOW!

>>531687350
sir, your banter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfwwTjr9_5M

>>531686012
Am I going nuts, or does it not look much better than KF2 despite probably running at least 5x worse?

>>531686703
I didn't even keep watching after he powered up the bass cannon. Fucking hero shooter shit

>>531687725
I miss when the banter was calling people wankers and calling the stalkers exhibitionist bitches. Why do people continually think modern political commentary makes for good writing in video games?

>>531687852
>5x worse
KF2 runs like a charm on a 750ti.
KF3 stutters on a 4080

>>531687725
That's some fucking life changing cringe.

>>531687852
That's the norm. Industry standard is requiring a 9800x3d and a 4090 so you can run a game at medium, 1080p upscaled to hopefully hit 45fps.

>>531688272
Ah. The MH Wilds experience.

>>531687725
The writers should be turned into Zeds

>go up stairs
>Fight two lieutenants and chaos spawn(weakened)
>Take elevator
>Instantly two daemonhost rituals and 2 Beasts of Nurgle
>Only havoc 22
Mmmmm

>>531659876
>ring ring
>hello?
>build good floor pls
>ok but kill floor many times
>Floor is Kill 3
>but who was phone??
It's really unfortunate how things like this can happen so fast

>>531689009
Nurgle's in a good mood.

I honestly can't tell if running Martyrdom is even worth it on the Eviscerator. Doesn't seem to affect my breakpoints that much, and I can get a consistent attack speed boost by spamming FOTF with BP+Shred. Though I guess I'd get even more with Martyr and could swap stuns for knives to run crit CDR. Still doesn't seem all that worth it

>>531689440
Give more information about your build

>>531689440
>Eviscerator
There's your problem. Relic blade completely replaced the fucking thing, and FotF rev exploits aren't enough to salvage how much of a piece of shit the weapon is.

My veteran is named USVetsDieForIsrael but I'm bored of the joke now. Any suggestions?

>>531689009
>two lieutenants
that's the twins, they're guaranteed every mission
i'm like 50% sure that lower havocs can glitch out and be just as hard as havoc 40

>>531690213
How can you be a vet if you died for israel?
Fucking retard lmfao

>>531689009
havoc 21-25 is the hardest difficulty in the game

>>531689009
That can happen a lot if you progress too quickly. On top of random spawns, there are also set spawn points that will trigger in a radius (which is easier to just say set spawn point the moment you walk past a line on the map,) from what I've noticed.
Fatshark in their infinite fucking wisdom decided to make this radius phase through walls, so some maps are hilariously fucked compared to others, chasm station being the worst offender with that one section where you go into the little outpost and have to drop down to reach the bridge and start a servo skull scan to unlock the elevator.
Before that drop, theres a spawn point for the hexbound DH.
Location of the cultists are overlapping with the map space behind it, and walking into that room guarantees three to four boss spawns, no matter the intensity.
It can happen quite a lot, but it's exceedingly obvious on some maps with hexbound.

>>531690584
Real. That's where the havoc shitters gather. People that don't know what dumpstats are, lack knowledge of the game's workings and meta and have won by few carries.

>>531668284
Crashed & disconnected all the time, long load times that can still crash, low FPS, very demanding on mid lvl systems. Difficulty was impossible after damnation for an average group, constant enemies that took a while to kill and in bigger numbers than today. iirc map rotation made you wait longer, like every 2 hours? Very basic skill tree with nothing to choose from, psyker only had long ass brain burst and vent, definitely the worst class at that time. Have 4 vets and you are good. Lower amount of crafting materials along with shitty loot drops and item system made you grind for a chance of an upgrade. Some upgrade systems weren't in the game yet, there was "to be done" on multiple buttons. No cosmetics for a while and all of them were remixes with basic recolors. Way less achivos to do, only the class related challenges and no reward track for them besides an odd cosmetic or two.
Overall it was annoying to play and clearly not finished. Microtransaction shop was in day one, mb even in beta and in contrast with a sorry state of the rest of the game felt like an intentional insult.

>>531672678
Yeah, I've noticed a big up tick in genuine retards playing the game and it is not fun.

>>531668284
very fun and balanced

>>531688131
>>531689009
I love this goober please post more

>>531668284
>>531690786
What made it even worse was the fact they delayed it by like two years and it STILL came out that undercooked. Cyberpunk really bad devs smelling their own shit thinking they could all get away with that. Thankfully it seems to have mostly stopped.

>>531654048 (OP)
>SCP: 5K
I know the answer is probably no hut has anyone played this? Is it any good? I know SCP is a sad shadow of its former self but I still have fond memories of it

>>531689657
It's a build I use for multiple weapons. Anything Martyr with heavy attacks is what I use this with, so Chaxe and RB (if I run it with Martyr) get more use out of Vicious Offering than Evi does now that I use the Mk XV, but I can't really be fucked to make Evi its own little build again at the moment. I don't like not having stuns with chain weapons (but Eviscerator especially) since stuns really help the chain weapons make up for how difficult to use safely and effectively they can be when lots of armor is on screen.
I honestly think a BP Evi build works about the same for less risk.
>inb4 just use throwing knives for IOD
I have before. I've been trying this one out for a bit. I might go back to keeping a second Martyr build purely for the Eviscerator.

>>531689881
I know it did, but if I only use the best stuff, I'll get bored. You don't need the best stuff for Aurics anyway.
>how much of a piece of shit the weapon is
It's aggressively okay most of the time, but it is a bit of a piece of shit when it matters, yeah.

>>531690754
Modifiers get easier the farther you go
I don't know why swedes made this convoluted system but evidently it doesn't work as intended
Also 21-25 has the highest number of bosses from all brackets, it gets very noticeably easier on 26 when you exit that hellish bracket. Why? Nobody knows.
There's a reason why so many players get stuck in 21-25 while shitters still get carried to 40 without any issues. And why shitters who come to ((help)) noobs and do their havoc penance easily fold to 21-25 hordes.

>>531668284
the swedes went on vacation and forgot to disable the global hunting grounds modifier for like 2 months so that should speak for how much they cared for the game

>>531691550
I've played a couple hours of it. One of my friends thought it was a piece of shit. One thought it was okay. I thought it was okay too, but it's pretty barebones and rough around the edges. The gameplay doesn't have much depth to it, but the shooting is pretty satisfying. I didn't look at any of the lore pickups we grabbed since I didn't wanna hold the group up, so I can't comment on those. If you don't wanna take the risk during the sale, let it develop more and look back in on it in 6-12 months.

I was just thinking about trying to get them back on that 15-20 minutes before your post too kek

>>531691631

>Eviscerator
I think I saw a video in my Youtube recommended for some dude's Havoc 40 Eviscerator build lmao. How hard is he trolling?

>>531692065
Wow it's almost exactly what I talked about. It's like you didn't read my post at all. Amazing.
>MP
Why the fuck would I run this when I'm standing in fire to lower my HP at the first barrel? That talent does very little since the whole point of a Martyr build is to get hit as little as possible.

>>531692209
>It's like you didn't read my post at all.
Correct
>Why the fuck would I run this when I'm standing in fire to lower my HP at the first barrel?
I guess i misremembered how it works. Take the CDR on crit then

>>531692339
>Correct
Fuck off then

>>531691778
>pic
that can't be real, wtf

>>531692365
Do what i tell you, bitch

>>531692507
No, you missed the point entirely. I wasn't asking for a Martyr build, and I knew what build you were going to mindlessly post. I know how to build Zealot and what the cost benefit of my choices are. I was asking whether anyone had bothered really testing Martyr vs non-Martyr breakpoints on the Eviscerator because Martyr doesn't feel like it performs any better than BP with the weapon.

>>531692665
Martyecels keep claiming that martyr is very important for eviscerator breakpoints. Let us see if they come crawling out of their holes so they can enlighten us all

>>531692905
I would like to see it. I know you get a rev heavy + non-rev heavy kill on Crushers with full (or 5?) Martyr stacks which is nice. I'll need to dick around with it tomorrow at some point, but simply playing multiple Auric games with both builds makes me feel like I'm doing pretty similar damage

What is the epitome of 'FUCK MONSTERS' as a loadout, the fastest way to kill monstrocities and bosses.
Is it the branx pickaxe with unyielding?

>>531693083
The eviscerator is fun for sweeping through poxwalkers, but it just feels like shit when ogryns, arbites, relic blades and the rashad exists

>>531691778
This is the ONE SINGLE CASE of a modifier being harder in lower havocs you fucking shitter. Everything else gets appropriately scaled. You are just looking for excuses.

>>531692395
Visible modifiers get easier and hidden modifiers get harder. It balances out (in swede head, in reality this convoluted mess creates too much room for random)

Bros, I don't know what's going on. I used to never get overheaded, but I feel like it's been happening every day or every other day lately. Are the Crusher nesting dolls worse than ever or something?
I did forget to block while dodging earlier though and got staggered into an overhead like a clown.

>>531693162
The branx pickaxe (don't bother with thrust) is about equal to a charge zealot with a thunder hammer or eviscerator or an arbites with an arbites maul

I THINK the fastest monster killing melee option besides martyr, thunder hammer stealth zealot memes is the rashad arbites

>>531693262
While you are looking for easy modifiers on cherrypicked maps
Btw watching right now how chocob entire team almost folded to a single pogryn
These shitters wouldn't clear havoc 21-25 where 3-4 bosses per room is the norm

>>531693162
There's a lot. I bet that the best one for Ogryn would be Point Blank Barrage (this ability sucks, don't use it) + Burst Limiter Override + Rumbler with Adhesive Charge and Shattering Impact.

>>531693559
Oh and Branx with Thrust would be the best for Captains because the giga burst damage would go over their damage cap by a significant margin. The Club is the best at destroying the shield itself thoughever.

>>531693651
>The Club is the best at destroying the shield itself thoughever.
Yeah. In fact, all club weapons are good against voidshields

>>531693782
What's even the criteria for good damage to shields? I thought it was strikedown attacks but evidently that's not the case. Do they count as flak or something?

>>531694350
>Do they count as flak or something?
They count as voidshields. Certain weapons just have extra voidshield damage that you can't see in game
>mk 3 club voidshield break time
About 8 seconds
>branx time
About 15 seconds

What's the best hoard clear combo with the Mk1a Shock Maul?
>Light1 > Heavy2?
Heavy2 kind of sucks.
>Light1 > Block?

>>531694532
I noticed that weapons that have good flak penetration on light attacks deal more damage to shields with heavy attacks, but if they have the same penetration with light and heavies, then light attacks work just fine
I wonder if there's correlation between voidshield and flak penetration

>>531694697
>weapons that have bad flak penetration on light attacks deal more damage to shields with heavy attacks
fix

>>531694697
No. Combat axes and pickaxes have great flak damage but shitty voidshield damage. It's fast hitting clubs that are best

>>531694672
Light 1 heavy 2

>>531693162
I like recon laser splurging on things, it's funny

>>531693162
tanner says you can one shot a boss with shroud knife

>>531668613
I find it more tragic that arbites brought a whole new carried playerbase and auric is now filled with ego-inflated cunts so the only thing left is the shitty Havoc board

>>531694350
Shields are damage-gated, so they value attack speed over actual damage and club is the fastest iirc

Just killed a plague ogryn in 10 seconds with a rashad meme build

>>531668613
The real sad part is that even if they didn't release Arbitussy they would have fucked shit up the same way with some other release.
Devs don't seem care enough about making the best version of the game. They are just doing their job creating content needed for the moment and then slapping it on.
If they were true fans working on dream 40k project they would be trying their best to inject wild creative aspects of the settings and flooded cosmetic store with the coolest high quality shit.

>>531697035
Yeah, it's honestly probably the reason why we are only getting 4 updates year and 2 of them have been majorly nothingburgers when you exclude the arbites. But not like the arbites is perfect, it's so OP as a class that it makes everything piss easy.

Addition of havoc and then balancing shit around it has genuinely ruined the game honestly. And it's just going to turn into more of a shitshow.

When did they change shields to be able to block sniper shots? I remember a lot of ogryns trying to block snipers back in the day and eating shit

>>531297326
>>531297429
>>531297853
>>531406318
>>531406456
>>531406580
Kind of late but thanks a million for the detailed answers guys. But I have to ask/say, maybe it’s just because I’m more receptive to Fantasy stuff in general than Sci-Fi, but Warhammer Fantasy’s lore strikes me as very endearing and somewhat more interesting than 40k’s. Why did they pull the plug on this anyway? Realizing just how small a view into the world of Fantasy Vermintide is is kind of disappointing but I don’t think anyone short of a full on triple A company could faithfully bring this world to life in its totality, or at least not in something that isn’t an RTS, so I kind of understand it I guess.

watching havoc 40 sissies fold to twins is kinda funny
they are so vocal when they shit on hardstuckies

>>531698325
pull the plugs because it didn't sell well and after the trial spanking they changed every names into trademarkeable shits. Also turning grimdark into world of warcraft. Total War Warhammer also helps showing each race quirk

>>531697761
Long ago

>>531697761
arbites update probably?
I remember you had to use special guard on ogryn to block sniper shots, now I didn't try it on ogryn but arbites blocks them just fine

hmm havoc 40 sissies folding to a single captain is even funnier

>>531697761
Arbites update. I remember playtesters in the chat mentioning it.

>russian ogryn
>cant build a club
>keeps going back to chase specials instead of going into maglock
>starts cursing us out in russian
>other player curses him back in russian
>tries but fails to kick him because of 3rd player
>leaves after we leave him to die after he gets downed

>>531699842
Long before that

>>531654048 (OP)
returning Dorktide player
what the fuck are these masteries, do you still need to engage with shop gacha to minmax dump stats and blessings?
do I still need run forward at mach 10 with pubbies at higher difficulties like my life depends on it?

>>531697761
Ogryn shields could pretty much always tank sniper shots.
The ogryn wouldn't take any damage from it but the shot would go through him, so if you stood right behind him you would take full damage from it.
It's weird.

>>531700174
>Aurics are doomed and full of shitters
>Arbites and ogryn are OP and their players uppity
>Speedrunning is still a thing with evryone running past resources like the mission was a sonic level

And now.3 decade vacation as temperature went down 1 whole celsius (pls there was an ice cube on the ground)

>>531699859
That club is just fine.
It's not meta but you don't have to run meta shit all the time.

>>531700174
mast is the weapon XP: kill or sacrifice enough to reach max Mast. Mastery allows you to equip a higher blessing or perk on your weapon (or the same you just crafted). The only RNG left is the stat distribution, you want the dumb stat "potential" at 60 for the rest to be 80. Do you have plenty of materials? you could craft a shit ton of greens of the same family then sacrifice to have the weapon crafting mast at max to be able to craft a maxed weapon

>>531700174
New crafting system, you don't need to buy 50 billion weapons to upgrade and pray for the blessing combination you need anymore, masteries allow you to select the blessings and traits you want without having to gamble. No restrictions on how many blessings or traits you can change either.
Now the only thing you need to minmax are the base stats, so dumpstat at 60%. Blessings and perks no longer brick a weapon.
Yes, darktide is still a mobility based game. The only time that changes is in havoc mode where the game ramps up the difficulty and hp pools until you are forced to stick to eachother like glue.

>>531700174
>do you still need to engage with shop gacha to minmax dump stats
yes but it's much easier to do, you pick a bunch of weapons from brunt, favorite the one with 60 max in your dump stat of choice, upgrade the rest to green and sacrifice for mastery
then upgrade your favorite, chances are you will get one before you max the mastery
also come check brunt's store from time to time to pick up random weapons with 60 in dump stat for future meme builds
>blessings
you can apply any at max mastery
you need like 15 in mastery to unlock 2x level 4 meta blessings and 400 power cap
>do I still need run forward at mach 10 with pubbies at higher difficulties like my life depends on it?
non-havoc yes, havoc the opposite
in baby difficulty lobbies (everything up to and including auric maelstrom) everyone is speedrunning
in havocs if you see a shitter speedrun that game is lost

>>531698325
It wasn’t selling enough, at least not by the standards of 40k stuff, hence why they hurriedly nuked the entire setting and then replaced it with Fantasy: 40k Edition because apparently it not being over the top enough was part of the problem in that equation, or something

>>531700174
Game's in the best state it's ever been. It's good enough but definitely can improve. Don't listen to doomers.

>>531700385
>Sweden has fallen, road is covered in 2 cm layer of snow
>>531700424
I scrapped some of the junk stuff I had on me, barely got any XP out of it, I might charge some of the weapons though
>>531700541
haven't seen any knife zealots so far, my hellbore is a bit too slow for these matches
also
>Auric
is this the new weaves?
>>531700541
thanks for the tip
>>531700717
I was playing Havoc funnily enough with 3 arbies, it was all rush-rush

>>531701151
you use mods? Use this https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/395.

You need to sacrifice greens of the same type like chainsword for chainsword family

>>531701151
It's like that until you start to get to havoc 20 or so, that's when things start to slow down ideally.
20-30 is the awkward zone, the game's not quite as punishing enough to make the average pubbie take the hint that they should slow down, but not so easy that you can solo carry like you could everywhere else, leading people to still rush like normal. Going too fast in 25-30 is going to spawn more bosses than the average group can handle, and quickly turn situations into shit.

>>531701151
>I was playing Havoc funnily enough with 3 arbies, it was all rush-rush
well you can ignore hordes with all the stagger arbites get, but you would fold to bosses if they spawned
likely meta cherrypicked map, or high havoc where bosses don't spawn, or both

>>531698325
Why Fantasy never took off until Total War is big and convoluted topic, I think 1d6chan wiki has some speculation on it.
Fantasy and 40k approach grimdark themes differently. WH Fantasy is still a high fantasy with heroes and villains, respects its roots and subject matter, while having crazy nonsense power metal album setting. Humor is sincere and cheeky, many characters, especially villains, are very cartoony. Human empire is medieval shithole, but they genuinely want to live there. It's like Brothers Grimm writing Lord of the Rings.
40k is a parody, satire yet characters never acknowledge this and play it straight. The funny comes from everyone talking about Emprah and stuff very srsly all the time, while millions die every second in inhumane conditions. It's much more a macabre dark comedy. irl fans talking about how much they agree with Imperium and wanna be guardsmen also adds to humor.
You can see this in Vermintide vs Darktide. One has funny rats eating ppl, dwarf songs, elves being assholes for no reason, saltzpyre ranting about sigmar etc. In other you are prisoners fighting until you die, being a mage makes you insane, everyone plainly doesn't like you and grounded characters being incredibly cynical and snarky all the time.

>>531701315
anything below 21 is not havoc, it's heresy with less ammo

>>531700841
>Game's in the best state it's ever been.
And the "best state that it has ever been in" doesn't mean "good".
Yeah the game used to be 10kgs of dogshit, but it's only 9kgs dogshit now. Regardless, it's still dogshit.

The balance is fucked all the way to hell and fatshark refuses to fix it and just keeps making it worse. Arbites and ogryn are the perfect example, both were intentionally made and balanced with havoc in mind because fatshark is retarded, stubborn and moronic and insists on trying to make havoc a thing, even though 99.99% of the playerbase gives zero fucks about it.

Spamming elites and specialists is not making the game more difficult, it's just making the game into more fucking retarded by every update. Spamming elites and specialists like horde mobs ir fucking retarded when most of the OP talents trigger off of elite and specialist kills. It's the most retarded way of doing balancing.

I'm on my Havoc journey and got to 20 so far, just browsing 40 lobbies and by god the class levels these autismos have is crazy.

>>531701498
I like Havoc. Maybe this game's just not your cup of tea. Try something else

ok so after crafting the meta gear... what am I to do next, exactly? Am I supposed to just replay the same missions over and over again with the exact same gear ad nuseam? Am I just too sentient for this game?

>531703798
WEE OO WEE OO
NEED ATTENTION ALERT
NEED ATTENTION ALERT

How many times can one man say the same thing over and over again

531703798
Nice try (no)

>>531703984
>man
ai more likely

Ok guys help me out here. I've boughted the game and installed it. What am I supposed to do now, play it? Like why would I do that if I can go earn big $$$ selling nft monkeys while driving my Ferrari Diablos. I seriously don't get the appeal of playing videogames when you can be doing anything else.
I feel like I'm missing something obvious here. Or maybe I'm just a really smart and handsome guy lol!

>>531704295
you forgot to insult the USA, not convincing

>>531704295
un pt'it kebab chef?

>>531704295
You just fucking destroyed that retard

ready or not bros how are we feeling rn?

>>531705024
not ready

>>531705024
Kind of want to reinstall

>>531705024
Wanna play it, but none of my bros are up and I'm scared it'll force match make me with console players. Also lack of CP and naked people at the crime scenes breaks my immersion.

>retarded comparison
>redditor normalfags cream their pants over it

just report this retard for trolling

>>531695675
but that's the best part. The new wave of retards keeps the game alive.

>report
and so the normalfag reveals his true form

>>531706982
I can't imagine how sad and uneventful does someone's life has to be for them to start ritual-trolling a semi-dead general.

>>531693468
>rashad arbites
Uhhh post build?

>>531707736
just get all the damage nodes, put headtaker and bromentum on your axe and go to town

who wan 2 havc gaem??

>>531708116
at work rn, i can only shit and post

>>531708116
my mmo mouse is double clicking again aaaaa
they don't sell these anymore, I need a tech priest now!!1
wait I know, I'm gonna pour vodka on it

>>531708116
friend code? i have a 40 hab dreyko with final toll and rituals if you want

>>531708116
4:30 am, good luck frend

>4:30 am

>>531709176
sure is nice owning this entire hemisphere
didn't you get banned for posting this exact image like not even the other day

>>531709439
no, I got banned for a post bashing on muttnigeria without a picture attached

>>531709176
i'm actually a twig, it's way too hot in the desert to be fat. Am burger tho

It's a real pain to play on the EU server because you have to deal with those fucking Slavs who are probably the most retarded players in the world. They have no sense of teamplay, questionable skills, refuse any criticism, and end up ruining the game for everyone. Creating a Russian/Slavic server would definitely be the best news in the history of gaming.

>>531709176
>insulting americans again
Uh oh Pajeet, you want the jannies to spank you a THIRD time?

why is "mister" banned?

>>531712717
it's not

What are your thoughts on my build?
:3c

delete veteran, dogshit redundant class
arbiter does everything better

>>531712884
pretty good

>>531712884

>>531712509
Pls no, I get it but my internet goes through russia and will be considered part of that region. Quickplay is already cucking me out of playing with eurofags all the time

>>531712884
You forgot to take shock mines and get rid of your dog.

It's a real pain to play on the EU server because you have to deal with those fucking Westcucks who are probably the most retarded players in the world. They have no sense of teamplay, questionable skills, refuse any criticism, and end up ruining the game for everyone. Creating a Western EU/liberal jew sucking server would definitely be the best news in the history of gaming.

We will get genestealer cult as a faction at the same time when they release these weapons, since aberrants and abominants use power sledgehammers as weapons.
>source?
My ass.

>>531713849
Blender Default Cube what happened to you bro...

>>531713818
>>531712509
In my experience the only difference between russian, yuro, and burger players is that burgers use more voice chat.

>>531712509
League learned this lesson the hard way, EU was unplayable until they split it into EU west and EU east

>>531712884
remove dog bleed and dog bleed tax
put them in voltaic mandibles and cleave on push

So is Sigmar = God Emprah of 40k, y or n?

>>531716586
He is one of the lost Primarchs.

>>531716586
they've got the same story of being a special boy who united mankind, but sigmar was the chosen of his god and then elevated to godhood, emprah was just Built Different

I love hoarding an ammo box when there's a trigger happy retard on the team and watching them squirm in chat because they don't know how to melee.

I hate when I play ammo aura vet, giving free ammo to all my teammates, only to have them hoard all the ammo boxes when they're still at 95% capacity. Maybe they have a problem with the fact that I spend most of my time shooting at priority targets, idk. But it's really fucking annoying.

>>531713686
Where are you from? my dad is janitor at Fartshart I'll tell him to make an exception for you

me on refinery delta - always 4 bosses in one room after elevator
twitch streamer on refinery delta - zero bosses
how?
havoc 40 really looks like babymode

>>531716863
Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall off the ship on a planet like that? No! He orchestrated it! Tzeentch! He defecated through an Eye of Terror!
>>531717578
Huh ok, I was under the impression Sigmar also leveled up enough to become a god

Is it normal to go down three times and die twice as a vetsissy in snoric?

>>531718203
Tide game goes very hard
love from Kazakhstan
I hate women so much it's unreal

>>531718937
no
veteran folds to havoc bursters but there's nothing that should kill vet easily in snorics

>>531719105
Very nice!

>>531718934
End Times (ugh) said it was Tzeench who bound him to the winds of heaven because beyond your comprehension

>>531719105
>the holy land

I kneel

>>531693162
power sword on veteran can two shot max health crushers with its special
downside is, you are locked into the special activation animation 90 percent of the playtime if you want to deal ANY damage at all

>>531722171
Power sword seems lackluster for boss damage though, especially on havoc.

>>531722251
ive red the question and instantly forgot it, my bad, ignore my suggestion

Major FBC Firebreak update announced for late September
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2272540/view/536607976683733002
Seems to me it might make the game worth a purchase maybe. 40 dollars for this little content is still too much.
tl;dw
- Reworking the current gun upgrade system and replacing it with modding
- Improvements to accessibility
- 1 (one) new mission lol
- Minor mission RNG variations like Darktide modifiers?

>>531722557
do the guns still sound like shit? is the game less than one kebab?

>>531719465
oy vey

>>531722557
one update ain't gonna fix it. Might check back in a year or so if they keep trying

>>531724287
The fact they're trying instead of immediately dumpstering the project like every other company does now is honestly insane to me. Are they actually making profit? Are they betting on a NMS-like revival?

>>531722557
> -Reworking the current gun upgrade system and replacing it with modding
I want to read this in darktide patch notes so badly

>>531671620
>>531671660
>The female authoritarian and… who?
One of the female Psykers as well.

>>531724440
if they dumpster this it's a signal to customer their next product might also suffer the same fate should the execs deem it a failure

>don't even bother with the looted gear, just craft the meta shit
>the gameplay boils down to replaying the exact same missions with the exact same gear and talents
is the entire playerbase american or something? this looks like a goycattle slop, not a video game

>>531724440
I feel like everyone is trying to NMSify their failures these days.

Trying the Karsolas and I did not know that it had unique light and heavy attacks after the push attack. I tried the Branx for several matches before and the slow speed makes that weapon feel like a job, even with all the attack speed talents, it's just too hard to stack and maintain them because my teammates usually kill the enemies before my swings connects, no joke.

>play darktide
>getting constantly berated and ordered around by w*men commanders
uninstalled this reddit simulator

>Games Workshop insists on Astra Militarum
>ogrin says Imperial Guard because it's easier
ok that is a pretty funny jab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5naWwh1aRQ

>>531725190
Examples? To me it seems the opposite. Concord gave up in less than 2 weeks. Steel Hunters is also sunsetting. I'm sure there are others but I can't remember at all ironically

>>531725301
Pretty sure you can initiate the same combo with special attack, try it, push attack wastes your stamina which is bad for bossing

>>531725753
I was thinking Darktide and Cyberpunk. But maybe i'm living in the past. KF3 seems to be trying to fix itself, but that's gonna take a while.

>>531724440
They probably have a money buffer and developers seem to carry some weight in project choices. Plus we don't know how expensive the game was, mb they had a lot of assets to reuse, art as well as code. They did work on a multiplayer shooter for China recently and Control has a bunch of unused shit almost guaranteed. Some projects are used as training ground for younger devs too.

>>531726424
no noticeable change in the delay they took so no

>Want to play co-op with my friends
>All of them are fat fucking pigs that can't go one second without stuffing their fucking faces and speaking with food in their mouths
>Can't stand it for more than an hour

Why the fuck are people so disgusting and inconsiderate. I am like one bad day away from calling them all fat pigs on voice. When the fuck did it get normalized to eat while gaming? Why the fuck can I hear their spit encrusted lips separating whenever they are about to open their disgusting gullet for another bite? Why the fuck is it considered an Arcane art of the highest order to adjust your fucking microphone settings? I am beyond livid right now. I wish I could ignore those sounds but they make me wanna throw them all under a bus or something

They are delightful people in the real world. But put in front of a Microphone and they turn into animals with no sense of decency... My Misophonia is driving me up the fucking wall. It makes it so hard to play co-op games or MMO's

>>531726513
The map lighting changes is pretty noticeable. It looks like they're trying, but the problem is that KF3 is fucked on a fundamental level. They're just wasting effort on it.

>>531726681
I got a group who kept vapping and let me tell you it's also hell, like chewing on plastic. Just turn their mic down to a minimum

>>531726715
no wants the class system they have yet they persist

Ideas for future weapons packs?
>Zealot
Some kind of sword and board
Arco Flails
>Vet
Some kind of heavy bolter
Melta gun
Power fist
>Ogryn
Brass knuckles
Autocannon
>Psyker
Lol idk

>>531726872
>Brass knuckles
Possible.
>Autocannon
Heavy stubebrs.

This made my clitty shake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHev30GZpyU

>>531726681
let me guess, brownmerimutt?

>>531726872

>>531726872
melta and hotlas for vet
A NEW FUCKING STAFF FOR PSYKER JUST COPY PASTE SOME SHIT FROM RATCLICK ALREADY FUCK

staff primary fires should also be redesigned to all be unique, the ball is retarded

>>531726872
LMG
Hellgun
Melta gun
Melta bomb
Plasma pistol
Power fist
Power axe
Power claw
Power sword + shield
2h Chain axe
New staff

>>531727023
>darktide lacks yt presence so much we all get the same reccomendation videos
is darktide dead, on life support or just no popular?

>>531727027
Danish actually. So it's even worse taking our social norms into consideration
>>531726832
Sounds horrible. I generally dislike turning people down to the point where I can barely hear them. At that point I usually just leave

>>531726872
>Zealot
Sword and gun combo duh
Flail
>Veterinarian
Plasma pistol
Hellgun
Grenade Launcher
>Ogryn
Storm bolter
Any hammer at all
Gauntlet and Slab Shield
>Arbites
Also their own Grenade Launcher

>>531727574
>Danish
Imagine being so fat you identify as a pastry.

>>531726681
Did you tell them to mute?

>>531727261
we don't have enough tiktok shills like helldivers had

>>531727685
>Arbites
I honestly forgot about them lol.
They feel pretty feature complete desu.
Maybe a new revolver type, an actual six shooter.
It's so weird this game has such a sexy revolver reload animation, someone on that team loves firearms

>>531727261
that's just how the algorithm works

>>531727867
Several times. I have told them how it affects me. And I have also called them out on how disgusting they sound many times. I get that I am being quite aggressive about it, but I literally can't help it. But I am the only one that get's affected by it, so they would rather just act like I am being overly sensitive ( I most likely am) But I doesn't change the fact they they are being disgusting fucks

>>531728047
They have grenade launchers in their arsenal. I just want that.

>>531728202
that's obnoxious. Only one thing left to do

>>531728325
reminds me, I should get some chelseas

>>531728219
Vet and Arby's get grenade launchers

Arby's get specialty grenades.

>>531728202
you tell them to turn on push to talk, you fucking zoomer

>>531726681
Everyone got used to constantly being on calls, yet in the comfort of their house. So there is no pressure to behave like you are at a social place or with guests. Everyone farts, sharts, eats, smokes, does chores etc.
I've stopped playing with a bunch of people because it feels like I'm their own netflix or streamer. Them constantly getting distracted while I get to wait. 1 hour sessions turned into whole evening ones, because everyone is fucking around. People with kids are even worse, my static raiding group broke up since fags try to combine kid time with game time.

>>531727023
You are pretty good

>>531726681
Why do people even bother with voice group chats? All it takes is one nonretarded person to call the shots

One time I was on with a guy who would not shut the fuck up but it was amusing because he sounded just like 24 from the Venture Bros.

>>531728536
What makes you think they would comply? It's arguably much easier to just mute when you eat. We are alle 30+ so having manners should be normal at this point.

>>531728621
Sounds horrible anon. Everyone in this group is childless, so that's not even a problem. They just turn into animals when they are at home, just like you said.

Still I don't get this at all. I spend like 30Minutes adjusting my Microphone the second I got a new one. It's to the point where I can actually eat without it being picked up, but I still mute just in case.

>1 hour sessions turned into whole evening ones, because everyone is fucking around

Fuck That's also terrible. Reminds me that I once waited an hour for someone to finish their turn playing CIV, but they where actually just watching netflix on the side and forgot that he was playing with me and two other friends.

>>531727574
I value my serenity more than seeing people, if they are so fucking inconsiderate they eat on the mic it's not a big loss

>couch coop and overall coop games are my favourite genre
>have no group of friends to play with
>too autistic to make one

>>531668381
>See trapper looking not directly at me
>Hear the net noise
>Net comes out from the side of the web gun
I should have listened to my ears, but my eyes told me I would be alright. Never again.

>>531727864

>>531729154
I've had some people do this too, where they just space out while watching youtube. My solution has been to just leave when they do.
Either we're focused on having a conversation / playing a game, or there's no point in being on call. I'm not interested in being someone's background noise.
In your case I would leave the call and say "call me when you're done eating and want to play".

>>531727864

>>531730248
I forgot all about those stupid fucking helmets.
What a letdown.

>>531728536
>>531729154
you don't tell them to turn on push to talk, you force it on. I have a push to talk channel specifically for one friend who can't understand how annoying he is with this shit.

>>531730248
do people actually wear their beta cuck helmets?

>>531730475
I wear it on my ogryn, B for best ogryn

>>531673273
>>531668468
>>531668381
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/268

>>531729757
I tend to do the same myself actually. It just get's dicey whenever they have to stuff their face while we are playing, or when we are about to play. Tbh I should just have an actual talk with them next time we meet in person, or force them all to spend a few minutes just trying to adjust their fucking microphones

I have no idea how these new hacking mini games work

>>531730683
>

>>531730683
Yeah you know what, I'm going to install this again and set it to only highlight trappers in 10m or something until fagshart fixes the audio channels (never ever).

>>531731417
>Tree with the green circles
WASD to select a circle and then left click, if red, select another node. If white, click again and it will pull up another list of circles, repeat this three times.
>defuse train bombs
WASD to keep your circle in the middle as it constantly tries to drag itself out, try to keep it as close to the center as possible

Best weapon combo to complete terminus warrent skill pennys?

>>531731417
>₢ ₣ ₤ ₥ ₦ ₧ ₨ ₪ ₫ € ₭ ₮ ₯ ℀ ℁ C ℄ ℅ puzzle
click when the glowing box is above the glowing symbol. It's just timing.
>hab dreyko tree puzzle
use WASD and look for a WHITE circle, and click it
>train mission puzzle
use WSAD to keep the ball in the center

>>531726681
>noooo spiders are kinda scary
>nooo eating sounds are a little offputting
>....I HAVE ARACHNOPHOBIA AND MISOPHONIA!
No you're just a pussy who gives something totally normal a name so you can pretend it affects you more than others and thats why everyone needs to bend over backwards for you

>>531732678
>>531732889
thanks bros

>>531732889
>use WASD and look for a WHITE circle, and click it
also you can just click all circles until success, you aren't punished for clicking red circles
and idk if it's placebo but I noticed that next stage white circle is often on the opposite side from previous white circle relative to the center of the display (circular symmetry, kinda)

>>531726681
>Never use mic
>Don't need/make any friends in darktide
>Play from time to time some aurics with a shitposter friend from discord (he's danish too)
I only join vc if I really have to, like when I was raiding in wow. And everyone else that I know can't be arsed with darktide.

>>531730475
B on da helmet stands for my name

>>531731417
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/369
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/252

>>531727956
not that it matters anyway, i still find matches in under 5 seconds
>>531728056
yeah i just find it funny that there is so few content creators for the game

>>531732889
What's WASD?

>>531730475
It's to notify other that my Loose cannon vet is special.

>>531733854
ZSQD mon ami

>>531733854
>What's WASD?

>>531730475
I rarely see people using it.
But I do use the memento mori helmet on my ogryn, it's one of the few good helmets for ogryns.

>>531732889
>use WASD and look for a WHITE circle, and click it
Wait, there's supposed to be a white circle?
I just fucking randomly go through them with WASD and click on them until I finish the puzzle.

I do main ogryn mostly, so I guess this is accurate gameplay.

>>531733854
ESDF

>>531734416
it's the most efficient method without cheats so you're doing it right

>>531734416
lol. Clicking every single one also works, but in my experience it makes it take longer.
Also if you get canceled midway by a mutant or something, the positions will remain the same. So memorizing the correct circles can help if you have to restart the puzzle.

>>531734020
bon bon

>maelstrom
>someone aggros a daemonhost
>look over
>it's the ogryn, who did it on purpose
>oh okay, no worries
>zealot instantly disconnects before the daemonhost can even finish its aggro screech
>it was a legitimate panic/rage quit and he is replaced seconds after
What the fuck?

>>531734941
maybe the zelot panicked because he was going for the ASS title and expected the worst

>me unga
>team bunga
white text

>>531735378
sorry to hear that

>>531654048 (OP)
>>531733868
I wish we had some good titties in this game.

>>531735378
this is true
it happened
I was there
I saw it

>>531735378
that greentext had no component that would be
>me unga
you hypersensitive sperg

>>531735532
but then who was phone?

what does unga mean anyway
i imagine bunga means bad but does unga also mean bad?

>>531736480
>me good
>team bad

In Darktide, by lore are we(squad of 4 auric level) strong enough to take 1 chaos space marine or a small group of eldar warriors?
I just want to know the power level here.

>>531736480
unga bunga me gorilla make sounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aXOUvlyYDI&t=518s

>>531736604
1 ogryn is canonically enough to take on a space marine period

>>531736604
honestly i feel like our powerlevel is lorebreaking by how many beasts of nurgle, plague ogryns, and spawns of chaos we can exterminate in 25 minutes. Without power armor.

>>531736604
Power levels are notoriously all over the place in this IP.
I don't think either of your proposals would be too out of line though.

>>531732818
Combat Axe with Brutal Momentum and Shotgun. To maximize your kills per stack as you cleave through poxwalkers.

>4 penal battalion conscripts can take out demons just fine
>ONE (1) plague marine is considered "too much" for them

>>531732818
I did my melee stacks and ranged kills with the autopistol, set up for maniacs and unarmored. Worked surprisingly well because it has a ton of ammo, can be fired while sprinting, and easily kills trash (as wasteful as that may be) for the penance. Just make sure your melee can kill armor and bosses, and probably bring dog bleed to further help with bosses.

>>531738119
500 space marine can easily capture the whole planet. To be fair, power levels are very writer dependent.

>>531738119
Beast of Nurgle aren't really full blown daemons.
Although honestly I don't think a plague bearer would be too out of line as a boss either

Actually the rejects are just literally whos while the Arbites are trained specialists so it makes sense that they are overpowered :)

The anti crafting jeet is farming yous like crazy on /v/ it's so funny

>>531736604
A psyker and an ogryn could 100% beat a spess muhreen but yeah like that other anon said power levels are super inconsistent. The PCs of the game are literal supermen cutting down hordes of deadly shit,.

>>531738991
I was having sex with my girlfriend while he was spamming boards with a bad joke. Good on him I guess, heh...

>>531732818
>>531738246
I had MANY cases where ranged kills did not register

>>531739108
obvious lie since I've had sex with her too in that time. And it took a good while to find her pussy in all those folds of fat, not to mention actually trying to penetrate them

>check my old characters' ranged weapons
>carapace damage on nearly all of them
wow i was retarded

>>531739787
>was

>increased stagger on weakspot hit by 90%
>25% impact on hit for 3.5s stacking 5 times
how am I supposed to know which one is better?

>>531740318
>how am I supposed to know which one is better?
Simple reasoning skills and 3rd grade math
>does your weapon attack often enough to stack up?
>do you hit weakspots regularly?

>>531740318
if you don't feel like thinking to doing math, just try them both in the psychanium and pick whatever works best 4 u

Is there any reason to go into the middle or right side of the Zealot's talent tree instead of sticking to the left? (for the keystone I mean)

>>531741515
No.
Right side is only useful if you are using zealot stealth build.
And the middle path is useless.

>>531741825
>Right side is only useful if you are using zealot stealth build.
interesting. Why?

>>531741515
All the keystones are viables are viable, if that's what you mean. But 99% of zealot builds will go middle left to get Until Death.

>another auric histg mission with nobody joining
DEAD MATCHMAKING
FIX IIIIIIIIIIIT

I played ogryn and guess what my teammates did

>>531742315
wich server?

>>531742434
EU

>>531741515
Double up on Cooldown reduction to spam your skill even more, get both crit cooldown and cooldown on backstab.

>>531742432
YON BARREL

>>531742474
I can play one game

its funny that arbitrator gets 25% damage resistance for 5 seconds on elite/specialist kill but ogryn only gets 10%

>>531708116
I missed you brother. I hope you find your havok geimu soon and keep posting

Check /v/, the "normalfag crafting system" guy is posting in the darktide threads there too. He's actually mentally ill and not just a low effort troll

>>531743085
Keep us updated.

>>531743187
what's the point of this post?

>>531740961
stagger and impact are not the same thing

>>531742973
this is at least the second time he posts that and he never linked a lobby

>>531743272
noone cares, you are just as mentally ill for creaming yourself over that guy

>>531743085
I didn't go on /v/ for 6 years now you'll not trick me.

>>531743329
>creaming yourself
Huh? Why are you so overly defensive about the resident lolcow being made fun of?
No... it couldn't be...

>>531742315
Just start the mission and suddenly the lobby is filled during the loading screen. Happens to 9/10 of aurics that I queue for.

>>531743325
Because no one wanted to play
I really wish darktide strike teams were like vt2 lobbies, or even hd2 lobbies where you could just hop into an anons lobby
Inviting anons from thread can be miserable because you have to watch the fucking strike team invite accept like a hawk, the window to accept is so pitifully small.

>>531742713
quickplay works, but if i select a specific mission the game sometimes forgets to connect my lobby with quickplay so nobody joins

>>531743428
No. I stood at the landing pad at the start of hab dreyko for 15 minutes. That's the problem.
It never happens with quickplay. It only happens when I cherry pick the mission. Something is wrong.

>>531726872
>Take a look at any list of premodern weapons like https://www.medievalwarfare.info/weapons.htm
>Then multiply it by making Mundane, Force, Power, Chain and Shock (at least) versions of each
>And then further multiply all of them by making it 1h, dual, 2h and 1h and shield versions
>Then add 2-3 weapon marks of each
>Also made up bizarre scifi/fantasy bullshit too

>>531743416
you are unironically more retarded than he is. He is autistic and gets some sort of enjoyment out of it (I guess, why else would he do it?), meanwhile you tell us to check another thread where he is because your are obsessed with him for no reason.

>>531743708
I also never quick play and works on my machine. You must be shadow banned, stop using coomer trapper mods.

>>531743682
???

>>531743682
what are your hours

>>531743790
Have you ever tried posting a fatshart friend code, anons have to add you ingame, and then request to join strike team. They can't just pop in, as far as I'm aware.

>>531743769
>haven't stated any opinion whatsoever, just making fun of him for being autistic
>you are unironically more retarded than he is.
You're making it very obvious you know that

>>531736604
Not really. Nothing we’ve really shown is beyond the scope of say, a particularly noteworthy named character. That isn’t to say we aren’t impressive, we’re certainly above say, an average guardsman, but a lot of it comes down to game mechanics that enable that for us. That’s not to say it’s impossible that we won’t do or fight either of those things, we could very well be propelled to that level if GW deems it fit, it’s just not something I would bet on going on current stuff alone.
>>531736873
>>531739037
Ogryns can beat Space Marines if they’re stupid/cocky enough to let it get into close range. A smart Marine that knows what they’re capable of will gun it down from a distance easily enough and not take the chance by continuing to move with their superior speed/reflexes. That said if it’s a strong enough Psyker yeah they could win too but ours are pretty average at best as well.
>>531736908
>>531738119
As has been stated before, daemons (of which there are none yet in DT, only daemonic beasts) and Chaos associated units in general do not operate on a set level of power, BoNs, Daemonhosts, Plague Orgyns, etc. can all be really weak or really strong depending on a number of circumstances that are in place when they’re brought into being. The same can’t really be said for CSMs, who generally do operate on a a roughly comparable scale to each other with some differences like abilities granted by their respective patron deities.

>>531743940
Ok but if you're not gonna bother to even reply to the people saying they want to play then why bother posting? Gay nigga

>>531726872
Ogryn should get heavy bolter and slabshield with a power maul.
Also I want an ogryn sized chainsword, they are mentioned in the fluff minorly.
They are basically boarding-saws, so giant chainsaws/buzzsaws that are used to cut through armored doors and bulkheads on imperial navy ships during boarding actions.

>>531743789
no mods either. It works sometimes. But this never happened before the arbites update. Now it happens regularly. I have 2000 hours so I can tell from experience that something is different.

I really want to like the Spearhead Boltgun but it's such a pain reloading this thing. Also disappointed that headshots don't kill Bulwarks, Crushers, and Ragers easily.

>>531743963
is everyone in this thread retarded? we are here to discuss the game, not an autistic e-celeb. Go to that thread, talk to your obsession and stay there. Stop giving him attention for the love of god

>>531744304
I guarantee that it is because of the campaign missions.
Those genuinely should've been relagated to another tab entirely just like how the orthus offensive used to be.

>>531725326
welcome to modern gaming bud
>>531725359
i don’t get it
>>531726681
you shouldn’t be playing mmos in the first place so let this be a lesson to you
>>531733587
>wow
gay

>>531744318
Veteran can make the reload super fast. Complete non-issue.
Arbi can make it tolerable.
Zealot suffers.

>>531744382
>we are here to discuss the game,
Why do you think I clicked a darktide thread on /v/
god you're fucking retarded lmao try not making it so obvious

>>531743682
>>531743790
>>531743940
Requesting to join a strike team doesn't even give you a minute time. If the host doesn't accept you within 15 seconds or so, the request expires, so you literally can't go afk during.
Inviting someone to join has a slightly longer window (I think around a minute?) but that assumes you host and invite others, which has obvious problems if you're already in a party of 2.
You don't need to friend anyone, you just need the friend code. However, you can unfortunately never automatically join a strike team, someone always has to confirm, and because it's such a short window, be actively at their computer.

There IS a mod that lets you auto accept invites
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/96
but you obviously have to micro manage and turn it on/off each time you're hosting a lobby, otherwise you get some filthy low level turd worlders inviting you hoping for a carry or some shit. Works best with psych ward and sitting in the main menu, instead of the mourningstar, so retards don't join your games.

>>531744318
It's bearable on Veteran because of reasonable access to reload and swap speed talents
It's bearable on Zealot because of the quickswap blades exploit
It's bearable on Arbites because you can either have a dog chase down enemies for you instead of shooting them, or play slowly and hold you ground until there is space to swap. Also a decent and accessible 20% reload talent.

>>531744497
>Veteran can make the reload super fast. Complete non-issue.
How?

>>531704295
AI bot post DNI
>>531712509
This but Chinese too

>>531744318
Veteran hits crusher 2-shot breakpoints with aimed crits, you just need to build into surgical blessing and deadshot talent with a decent amount of damage in your build. Marksman's focus makes it trivial, but then you have to run MF and I understand disliking it.

>>531744687
Top left and top right have reload speed nodes. This obviously means making some concessions to your build, but you can definitely afford both and still have a competent build.

>>531744543
alright, you are as retarded as that RNG nigger. no more (You)s for you. Now that I think about it you probably are him and are trying to bring more attention to yourself. Your life is honestly sad dude

>>531744687
55% reload speed in pic related
65% if you're willing to sacrifice a perk

>>531744109
OH
I didn't even notice that third fucking reply to the initial post. Now I feel bad

>>531744838
>no more (You)s for you
Good. If you keep talking about this you'll become the one who feeds the feeder.

The Mk IV Helbore can 3-shot H40 Crushers. I just thought that was cool. Pretty fast kills too with Weight of Fire.
>>531744961
That's me and I'm still salty about it

>>531745175
it should one shot them imo

>>531724447
Huh? Which? Im pretty sure its just an indian, French and Brit

>>531716586
Sigmar is something different. He was reincarnated during the End Times and has since become an actual god.
>>531719105
>>531723165
Based

>>531745319
I'm willing to bet that with Exestance and further retarded specialization it probably can
It'd be more reasonable to get it to 2-shot without sacrificing VoC, I'll try that later

>>531745175
Helbore is weirdly competent in h40, as are piss vision and marksman's focus, but it's really hard to pull off on a meta level because
>nobody will invite you
>you need a bodyguard, but nobody will play bodyguard for you
A good off-meta vet is a huge asset to a good team, but it's just so rare that anyone is even allowed to play it. Also most teams suck.

>>531745175
cute

>>531745559
What the fuck

>>531726872
All of those look/sound good just give us something at this point

>>531745559
>bb
cheater!

>>531745516
You can just do a regular good VoC + focus target build with Helbore and succeed. It's been a really reliable weapon since the buff. I went through a whole game on H40 Refinery Delta without having to pick up a single ammo bag, I never had less than 600 ammo. You can imagine what that level of ammo economy can do for your team. No one else ran out either
>>531745559
Not H40 doesn't count

>>531745559
Revolver can already one-tap crushers under more normal circumstances than psyker memes, but it's still wildly impractical and inconsistent, and I'm not even sure it hits any relevant breakpoints in havoc.

>>531727261
>>531733701
the latter
poor launch and then like 2~ years to be put into an acceptable state really did it in

>>531744453
>i don’t get it
Games Workshop, owner of the Warhammer, always wanted to trademark the IP and names from the game. Imperial Guard was too generic to license, also made people think of bad things like imperialism, especially since it's an British company and "Warhammer is for everyone". So they renamed it into Astra Militarum.
Oldfags are forever annoyed at GW for their jewish ways and new name sounds gay anyway. So the joke is that no matter how much devs want official name to be Astra Militarum everyone will forever and always say Imperial Guard.
Seeing official game character struggling to say new name and going "ah screw it, IG" is intentional funny, I think

>>531745960
I like the name Astra Militarum
I like the name Imperial Guard
I believe man and fish can coexist peacefully

>>531728536
zoomer derangement going strong as always

Presented without comment.

>>531745842
>You can just do a regular good VoC + focus target build with Helbore and succeed.
I'm a little skeptical about it, because I feel like I'd rather have a bolt pistol krak spammer, or boltgun boss melter for reliability purposes, than borderline infinite ammo. Maybe that's just me, because I don't really struggle with ammo in h40. I guess it opens up slightly different team compositions?

What blessings do you run on your helbore?

New pigslop when?

>>531741515
yes
middle gives you melee attack speed and damage, and you trade hp for toughness damage resist, it's one of the way to make meme weapons viable (the other being to switch to arbites)
right side gives you insane cd reduction on backstabs but has dogshit keystone

>>531729757
Based. I do this too.
>>531730475
I’ve yet to see a single person wearing them yet so probably not.
>>531733868
We really need a Lee lookalike female character/model already…

>>531746264
Sure, but it's fun to hate things in fun ways sometimes

>>531746264
B-but this is 4chan. We're *supposed* to have no nuance!

>>531746292
...a martyrdom zealot who is making the most of his keystone? What's wrong

>>531741931
Because he cannot into push dodge behind poxies and doesn't know about ogryn taunt

>>531739108
>>531739517
Neither of these happened

>>531728621
kill all gamer dads stop playing video games you fucking faggot go raise your kids

>>531746314
surgical and weight of fire
mk4 also does really good boss damage, not enough to compete with dedicated boss melter builds, but for its versatility it's very impressive and you'll get the credit for boss kills a lot

>>531746474
This was at the start of the mission
On Heresy
and soon as he went down he just left and never came back.

>>531746784
you are obvsiously omitting how he was netted and none of you retards reacted so he decided it would be faster to find a better lobby

>>531744318
Yeah the reload is fucking painful but it provides way too much firepower for my Zealot so I have to bite the bullet and bare with it.
>>531745960
Oh. That is kinda funny. I wasn’t aware they were making some kind of active push to replace IG with Militarum, I always figured it was just a cool Latin alternative like Astartes rather than something they prefer now

>>531746784
Probably made up cope because you thought it was somehow a telling image on its own when it's how martyrdom SHOULD be played

>hmm this gun is interesting
>craft the perfect meta variant for basically free
>play 2 missions
>get bored
shouldnt the devs care about the player retention? this crafting system makes the game extremely boring

>traps your teammate causing them to freak out and leave the mission

>>531746992
>>531747108

I see a guy with 7 wounds, I'm gonna dab on the guy. Plus getting netted and leaving asap isn't an excuse, you can lay there and wait like a minute while we deal with the wave and try to get to you.

>>531747309
somebody get this poor anon a bigger image

>>531746682
If you had a child yourself, you would understand. It really changes you as a person. You don't grow up and become a real man until you had one, let me tell you.
pause the game pls. brb in 30 min, my wife asked me look after the baby while she goes to buy us food

>>531747431
>I see a guy with 7 wounds, I'm gonna dab on the guy.
Why though? It's how you play martyrdom

>>531747546
watch a movie and fuck off

>>531747576
Well gee I'm sorry if that isn't immediately obvious when the common meme is "if the guy has more than 3 wounds, he's a shitter".

>>531747431
you're ignorant but also this is based and true, martyrdom is gay and its users should suffer

>>531747817
did you just buy the game? baka

>>531747817
well 7 wounds just so happens to be the exact number of wounds martyrdommaxxers use, please understand

>>531747817
If you have obviously never played zealot why try to ridicule one for playing in a way you don't understand?
>gee I'm sorry
You're joking but you should actually feel bad that you're trying to backseat people about shit you don't know anything about. If you don't understand soemthing it's not them doing something wrong if you're obviously so new you haven't heard of Martyrdom yet, retarded default assumption

>>531654407
One day FartShart will actually notice this shit.
Then never fix it regardless.

>>531747828
>>531747963
>>531747975
>>531748006

I think I accidentally struck a chord with anons that play Martyr builds.

Still ok, 7 wounds = someone's doing a Martyr build. Anything else I should know about how that build works? I assume it's the classic

>The lower your health, the more unga you can bunga?

>>531747546
So true. Sorry i went down guys had to go drop my kids to school i know it took me an hour but im back now.... Guys??

>>531748242
No you just displayed you're clueless and trying to ridicule other people for doing something you don't understand. It's a really bad thing to be proud and/or arrogant about.
Since you insist on smugposting now, how about this? Stay on fucking heresy and learn how the game works you retarded shitter

>>531748434
Sure I'll admit my ignorance and a bit of smugness. But I'm coming down so I can understand. I apologize.

I can't decide whether I hate the retard mongoloid rusher or the retarded troglodyte always falling behind the most

>>531748662
The Rusher. At least the guy falling behind is finding resources for everyone.

>>531748789
That's a good point. But there is also something uniquely annoying about it. It's incredible how someone just seems to be permanently falling behind even in a straight corridor.

The rusher is probably the worse person though, there is something super egotistical about the mindset that makes people play like that, and being bad at the game at the same time

>>531748995
I hear ya and I'm guilty of falling behind. But I'm a simple man. I see a yellow box, I wanna open it. Stims, ammo, maybe get lucky and find a delicious ammo box!

The Rusher just asks for trouble barreling on, then rage quitting the moment they get netted for not paying attention, or even looking behind to see if he's at least in in throwing distance of his team.

Hell it's sucks when you accidentally rush ahead, or see something you really want, but then someone goes down, or there's a horde and you see everyone's dealing with it behind, and you just swallow your pride and run back to join and help 'em, or save someone who just went down.

But that's because I'm a good team player.

>>531748662
Slowpokes are worse.
>The retard falling behind is expecting to get carried.
He will continue to drag down the team, and worse yet, anchor it into a slow grind if there's at least 1 retard going back to revive or free him when he inevitably goes down or gets knotted/netted, extending mission time by at least another +5 minutes. Any resources that you might gain from the retard scouring every last corner of the map, are lost to the additional time it takes to complete the mission. Just blitzing through a mission and checking corners when opportune will net you more resources in the long run.
>The retard rushing ahead is overconfident in his own ability to carry.
He will inevitably eat shit and die, then ragequit. The worst that can happen is a bunch of freshly aggroed enemies now backtracking to come for you after the retard uses stealth and/or dies, but a competent player with a competent build should be able to deal with this.

>>531726872
I always wanted a Chainhammer. It's such an endearingly stupid idea, very fitting for 40k. I don't think they were ever canonically shown off visually, only in writing, and most fans portray them just as fat chainaxes but I always imagined it's like one of those tunneling vehicles but miniaturized and on a stick, so you can woodchipper people on the go.

>>531748662
Ok, but which one are you, Anon?
Are you rushing or are you dragging?

>>531746784
>This was at the start of the mission
Yes, you find a fire barrel or bomber fire and stand in it to max your bonuses and start fucking shit up. You can go down only a few wounds or all the way depending on what breakpoints your weapon needs to hit or how fast you want your attack speed to be.
>and soon as he went down he just left and never came back.
That's pretty common regardless of build. I don't get the rage/shame quits.

>>531747431
>I see a guy with 7 wounds, I'm gonna dab on the guy.
You talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded

>>531749443
Carrying. Fuck you.

>>531748242
>>The lower your health, the more unga you can bunga?
Kinda. It's not specifically hp based, it's wound based. Wounds cut your hp into smaller pieces. More wounds missing = doing more damage.

>>531748662
The rusher is a problem that takes care of itself. Either he's good enough to keep going or he's bad and eats shit and then he's away from the equation
The anchor will
>keep your teammates occupied
>block you from going through elevators when it's clearly time to move on
>drain the teams resources by compelling them to kill steady trickles of poxwalkers at the source for no reason
>does not actually help clear any of the shooters and elites ahead of the team, unlike the rusher (unless it's a legit speedrun tranny)

However, it's easier to get mad at the rusher if you can't handle the game as a group of 3, or if you're split even further because there's also a legitimate retard behind you not moving on

>>531748662
Person slowing down is likely a new player who hasn't quite figured out moving while horde clearing, or sliding backwards so I can't be too mad over someone like that unless they insist on holding up an elevator for nothing.
Dude rushing ahead is almost always some faggot that is trying to copy da pro playerz without understanding what he's really doing, and gets himself killed. Good players that can keep themselves alive are always welcome but those aren't nearly as common. Just don't fucking die or get dogged

>>531751815
You can't tell if the person behind engaging a pack of ragers that you triggered by moving forward or looking for poxies in dead ends if you can't see it. And if you can't see it you're a faggot that runs ahead without looking back.

>>531749443
I'm stuck in the middle with you

>I get a decent amount of special kills but get overwhelmed easily by bigger mob blobs.
>Team just stands there fighting against 2-3 enemies while i get netted bombed and ganged.
>somehow they survive, game calms down they continue to fight 2-3 enemies and some specials
>Ragequit the game

Am I really such a huge shitter just because i cant handle everything and get delt aggro shitcard way more often than i like to admit? How do i counteract it?

>>531752036
stop shit pant n gettin mad at vidya

>Covers a guy as he goes back for healing
>The second he is healed he zooms off
>Some faggot mob times it's hit for the second you heal yourself

At the very least cover my back too faggot. I hate players who don't cover each other. Like when you are in a big fight exploding the faggot horde infront, and some pissant allows the pox to stroll up and hit you from behind.. I could play better but I am still learning, but faggots that don't help cover each other are the fucking worst

>>531751815
>Person slowing down is likely a new player who hasn't quite figured out
that they don't belong in a difficulty that requires constantly being hand held through a map they're so unfamiliar with that they get lost, with such a crippling lack of awareness that they don't respond to ammo pings and run past medicae while on the last wound.

I will get mad. Bring back bullying, bring back gatekeeping, instead of all this "tee hee games are for everyone!" jewery. I'm sick and tired of getting complete retards in my games. I play co-op games for co-operation, yet I'm forced to fucking singleplayer or play daycare sitter when playing this game.

>>531744816
>Marksman's focus makes it trivial, but then you have to run MF and I understand disliking it.
What ability do you even run with MF? I keep dying from standing still and aiming.

>>531752036
If you get easily overwhelmed just do what all shitters do and use a knife. You can sprint slide away from pretty much all tough fights. Your slower teammates will have to stand and bang with the crusher waves while you easily slide away and re-enter the fight once your team has all the aggro on them.

>>531752126
impossible when the game ragebaits me 5/8 times/rounds. Its like im a walking target. My only issue is that knife is slow at killing mobs, Specials are no problem whatsoever and i even getting gud at dealing with ranged. I always have the feeling that my team is absolutely shit but then when i die first as always they get the aggro and seem to do just fine? I dont get it. I dont feel like any of them is doing more than surviving solo at no point i feel like they have my back or can cover my weaknesses . just 3 other isolated dudes hoping they dont get aggro and doing the bare minimum. it infuriates me in l4d2 they would eat shit so fucking hard for playing like that but in darktide only the good performing ones eat shit constantly

>>531752665
yeah it seems to be my bad for actually standing there and ighting against the hoards. Ill just run away from now own and probably get the stealth skill with deaggro just to grieve those fuckers.

>>531748662
What is happening in this gif

>>531752652
>What ability do you even run with MF?
Just a regular shout build. Stacks when standing still or creeping, with optional stamina restore to fuel Deadshot.
>I keep dying from standing still and aiming.
Yes, that is normal and expected. It's why you only bring such a build when you expect to have a dedicated bodyguard. Get your havoc 40 psyker to stick close and support zealot to hold your hand and dump chorus when you're threatened, pay him back by invalidating every ranged enemy before they even get a shot off.

It's not a conventional play style and doesn't really work with conventional teams, and because most players are retarded metaslaves that can't adapt to any deviation, it won't usually work. I don't think MF is even particularly playable in maelstroms because you're basically solo most of the time anyway.

>>531749442
In all my years of Warring my Hammer ive never heard of these being a thing where are they mentioned?

>>531752992
It's the final showdown

I just had a game with a shout veteran on damnation that didn't even use the skill once

>>531749443
>>531749793
Is this movie any good

>>531753428
It's cathartic, but staffed by actors, not musicians, so if you play any of the depicted instruments you will probably cringe.
I enjoyed it.

>>531752568
>bring back gatekeeping
A million times this. Everything goes wrong when we don't have it.

>>531753428
Yes, it's tight, has many memorable scenes and performances, llus gets you hooked to get into music.
If you are a srs musicians, you'll be annoyed at inconsistencies and over the top depiction of music study.

>>531753428
Jazz is gay

>>531752036
Just take it on the shoulder and move on. Everyone get's downed in coop games. That's just gonna happen.

>>531654048 (OP)
>ogryn who half-roleplays telling you to stay tf with the team when you go down inside his hitbox
>some chick blasting shitty rap music into mic w/ dog barking in background. uses mic to talk a grand total of two times
Based on a true story. Pick one to serve the emperor with. I disliked both but dog-mic told the ogryn he was lame for saying that so then I had a favorite

What's a good build for Executioner's Stance Vet? I know it's not the meta for the class, but I really like popping specific targets at range and hosing down Elite/Specialist groups with the damage increase and Marksman's Focus keystone Finesse boost.

I'm using Shock Maul with the Agripinna Autogun but it really falls off on Auric. Damnation seems to do just fine. Or am I being overly ambitious trying to get some juice out of that kind of build at Auric?

>>531752761
if you're getting overwhelmed by mob blobs you need to work on your fundies. Use your stamina more and weave pushes and push attacks into your horde clear more, to control the crowd with stagger and also so you can stand still to recover your dodges. Knife isn't even that bad into crowds but consider using a weapon that preforms better with (and is less of a mobility crutch).

>>531754129
yeah i know but i hate it when its not my fault or at least until i know what was my fault. I took the stealth thing for now since my personal survival is more important than supporting the team. Played a round entirely selfish, like every other player and had full health nearly the entire thing through. What gives i thought this is a coop game

>>531756774
true, normally i use the nades in a big blob but its oftentimes not enough and then again, if i have to manage up to 20 enemies on my own while my team does jackshit something went horribly wrong hence why im taking stealth now and redirecting the aggro to ogryns useless zealots with no book useless veterans who hog all ammo or arbiters which are cool but highly selfish. ANother weapon is not an option atm because i can deal with everything else just fine

>>531747309
>>531747495

>>531756678
exe stance wants a weapon like the bolter or helbore, semi auto weapons with high single target dmg that can have breakpoints pushed by the ranged dmg bonuses. I like going WS with no keystone nodes on those builds and making some concessions with grenade regen (only grabbing demo team and not stockpile) so i am comfortable in melee. But if you're realy confident in your melee skills and you aren't dumb enough to be baited into playing like an idiot with Marksman's Focus, then that keystone can be pretty good too.

>>531756678
I recommend the bolter, good for one shot sniping. Can magdump any problem in a pinch And the stagger lets you keep it out longer before needing to put it away to melee.

Other good options,
the vraks mkV infantry autogun. High rate of fire and dps, quick to pullout and reload. Executioner Stance makes it laser accurate for easy headshot drilling even at long range.
The plasma gun for wallhacking.

>>531757062
if you need stealth to get you through dealing with 20 enemies on knife then you need to stop playing like a retard and learn how to actually do melee combat without getting hit every horde. Push and Dodge.

>>531757297
>>531757560

I see, should I do anything to mitigate the longer reload time of the Bolter or should I accept that I won't be chaining clips and time extensions in Marksman's Focus? I'll test the Bolter and the Vraks based on your recommendations.

What about melee weapons? Is there any flexibility or is it just Duelling Sword or Power Sword? The Shock Maul is decent but the swing speed is really rough in big hordes.

>>531758170
I like taking lognshot and volley adept on the bolter for the reload speed. Brings the reload down to ~3s so you can keep chaining Exe Stance if you're quick to shoot your next target. Just make sure you tap the reload button after your last shot, the delay for the auto reload will kill the chain even with the reload speed.

For melee you can use the Shovel or Heavy Sword if you want a weapon that won't play the game for you. I like the mk1 shovel and mk9 heavy sword for vet.

>>531757213
trappers don't look like that

>>531758170
>What about melee weapons?
With a bolter covering armour removal. You can use pretty much anything in melee. I like the Devil's Claw. excellent horde clear, and the parry will let you safely dismantle rager packs, plus parry tank plague ogryns and chaos spawn (daemonhosts too if you're really good)

for general use, axe, shovel, and knife are also fair game and will cover you in auric.

>the mk2 jump pack marines don't even get chainswords in the kit
>you only get chainaxes
>but if you want to you can combine the mk6 arms with the mk2 kit ;)
Jesus, they aren't even hiding the scumminess anymore.

>>531757583
look at the pro played who can perfectly play indoors while getting targeted by every single crusher. you know some situations are not entirely your control especially if it happens over and over again the whole round while the actual selfish classes like arb and ogryn stay there fighting like 2 or 5 normals? Im not saying im some pro player big dick but some things are clearly the fault of sub saharan iq retards who can step 5 meters towards me and help me clear the horde

>>531759323
if you need to be babysat against 20 poxwalkers maybe you should stay near the ogryns and arbites that aren't falling over and are having to carry you

>>531759845
what class you play hotshot
carry you if anything because you retards cant focus anything ranged the reason why you go far enough is because im babysitting YOU. Now do something useful for once and protect the actual classes worth their salt instead of camping behind a shield like a cuck

>>531760182
>help am i really a huge shitter just because i can't handle [20 poxwalkers] without stealth??
>actually im babysitting YOU

I play zealot and vet dumbass, and i don't need help to handle specials, elites, or 20 poxwalkers.

>>531753189
That's so cool where is this from :O

>>531758676
>>531758876

I must be an idiot, I just tested the Bolter and, yes, I can reload and have a solid 2-3s to pick the chain back up on Exe Stance. So the Bolter is indeed a solid choice, I'll use that more. I'm gonna give the Vraks a test now.

I'm glad the Shovel is viable, I like it for the flavour and the swing patterns aren't too awkward. Should I be using Stagger blessings? The consensus I've gleaned from content creators (I use them for a rough appraisal, I don't take them as Gospel) is that Stagger is the big hot thing now that Arbitrator has the aura to buff up damage against Staggered targets?

I did 6 h40s today and in every single one the psyker blew himself up in the first encounter when there was no pressure on him
Did someone make a funny haha meme about gatekeeping true survivor or something?

Here's an idea for a set of story missions. a three part return to the Tancred Bastion that's been turned into a Nurgle ship with the big climax being blowing it up.

I'll take my payment in weed Mr. Fat Shark.

>>531762518
shovel usually runs uncanny and decimator/skullcrusher, it staggers plenty as is.

I def recommend the shovel a lot tho, with uncanny it's got reasonable TTKs into armor on its lights without instakilling them and preventing you from ever having to learn to dodge and kite groups of maulers/crushers. It's one of the better weapons to get good at the fundamentals with. Switching between heavy spam for horde stagger and light spam for faster horde TTK keeps my brain engaged by constantly evaluating when it's best to do either, it's pretty fun. Wish zealot got the weapon.

>>531763168
>Wish zealot got the weapon.
You mean arbites

>>531762891
this is why you should reject all psyker players. it also filters shitters who only join PFs with bubble.

>>531763303
giving the shovel to arbites would be an insult to the shovel

>>531762950
>havoc 80

>>531761249
enjoy the aggro of half of the map then shieldcuck, lets see good your solo skills are

Anons I need your help, I've been thinking about getting darktide for a long time. I've watched a video recently and... it says that you can just easily craft whatever weapon you want without much investment. But what's the point of playing this game then? I don't think a game focused on slaying hordes of shitty mobs can retain players without some sort of grind. Is this game some sort of american goycattle bait or am I just missing something?

>>531762950
>in weed
Die slaaneshi worshipping drug addict *excavates your skull with a bolter round*

>>531691914
Alright thanks for the response, I figured it was something like that, most of the games in the list seem to be in roughly the same category for some reason

>>531764039
*fucks your mom*

>>531763168
Yeah I enjoy the Shovel a lot too, the Special Shove is great if you ever get snagged by a silent Rager. The Vraks is great too, this testing has been fruitful.

Thank you for your help, anons.

>>531763958
>What's the point of the game without a constant external motivation grind??
It's called "Enjoying the Gameplay." The combat actually has depth and has lots of room for improvement and personal mastery once you get off the baby tutorial difficulties.

>>531764351
what depth? 360 aoe push and constant dashes trivialize the combat

>>531654048 (OP)
>FEEL THE HEAT OF NURGLE'S BRAAPS!

For everyone complaining about how OP arbites is, I sure seem to be hard carrying a lot of them on my YOLO who gives a fuck psyker build these days.

>>531764725
it's simply malice shitters going above their usual difficulty

>>531764538
yeah that's the game's biggest flaw, there's too much shit that lets you turn off all the fun parts of the gameplay and the devs are too scared of the retarted playerbase to nerf any of it. I especially hate CDR and being able to dash or shout 10 times a minute

>>531763573
It would be the only way to fully realize its potential

>ogryns and arbitters getting uppity and smug again
you bottomfeeders wouldnt survive auric if you actually had to play the game instead of just leeching and providing zero utility or worth to the group but being the "tanky" class. but hey at least you were the last ones to die right?

>>531764351
there's no need to reply to him, this is probably the 50th time he's posted that exact sentence in 24 hours

>>531765020
if by "realize it's potential" you mean "ruin all the fun things about it" then sure

>>531764725
Arbites is just really easy to use but not really stronger than ogryn.

>>531765232
>pushes the third mutant off you that you didn't dodge because you're retarded
>stuns 6 ragers about to rape you because you have zero awareness
>dogs every trapper before they get to fire
>also shoots every sniper that you don't even so much as look at despite being pinged for 10+ seconds
>kills every monstrosity in 12 seconds flat
>stunlocks entire carapace blobs long enough for even your pitiful random blessing level 400 weapons with a shitbuild to kill them

>>531765232
>nyooo, my class needs to be peed on to liiiiive and yours doesn't-ACK
you're a precious lil' guy

>>531765620
arbites is stronger than ogryn without the rumbler imo (but they're both fucking braindead OP)

>>531764936
>>531765620
Yeah I have 60/60 penances on it. I know it's strong but holy fuck are people bad.
When the paper psyker is consistently the last to go down, you're doing it wrong.

>>531765642
>>531765664
>i swear im good at the game guys! Im not playing the mobile game equivalent of classes! Be greatful!
*stealthes*
work faster ogrynarb cucks, dont forget the two snipers at the opposite of the map once you finished

>>531766237
>*stealthes*
*pat pat*
good job, hacking puzzle cuck

>>531766237
the stealthcuck is still posting lmao

Speaking of stealth, saw a stealth veteran today with over 1300 levels to his name.
He was complete dogshit and spent half the map dead then had us wait several minutes at the end elevator because he was at the other end of the finale portion and couldn't get to us..

>>531766356
>>531766610
>>531766441
>nooo you have to take the shout! you have to support da team!
Ill watch you get netted and fart in your face, maybe throw a smokegrenade on your coprse for good measure dogfuckers. i take 5 psykers and 2 zealots over your asses anyt time of the day

>>531767118
lol you're not taking anything other than this L because you're not joining my havocs, hardstuckie.

>>531766610
Stealth is surprisingly good when the player knows what they're doing, but most need the piss crutch unfortunately.

>>531767118
I don't play arbites but a stealth vet in this day and age is a sad fucking thing.

>>531767317
>surprisingly good
For doing puzzles and reviving shitters perhaps. Not that you get to use that when you spend half the map downed or captured.
And yeah, I've played with stealth on both vet and zealot. They're not fun though, just meh whatever.

>stealth bad because... umm... it just is, ok?

>>531767494
Stealth singlehandedly solves everything that makes Clandestium Gloriana a nightmare of a map with pubbies. It is good.

>>531767317
enjoy not having ammo then, shieldboy
>>531767320
playing with randoms does that

So first he was sperging about the crusher, then rng, then dog and now stealth.

redpill me on stealth, how do i use it to its full effect in pugs on vet?

>>531768090
If you need it in pugs to clutch, don't play the game.

>>531768029
wrong, at least follow the lore
first it was mobs than mobs with crushers, than arbs and orgs getting uppity, than mental breakdown, now build questions

>>531763958
I wouldn't say that's entirely correct. Original players all had huge build ups of resources which they can now use to acquire optimal items. Originally the barrier to getting optimal items was literally visiting the store over and over again until it had what you wanted.
As a new player you would have to play quite a bit just to gather the resources to max out a few weapons.

>>531768151
too late now im 300 hours deep into it, might as well give some tricks as to how to get better with it.

>>531768272
Crusher as in the weapon. He said that crusher is better than the arbites shock mauls. You clearly weren't here yet.

>>531768090
>Vet
You don't

>>531768531
>crusher is better than the arbites shock mauls
Well that certainly is an opinion.

>>531768516
play without it or piss toughness until you get better at the game, then switch back to stealth: you are now better with stealth

>>531768537
why not, its either that or shout. im not supporting my team because i rarely get supported. now i want to stealth around. whats the issue

>>531766020
All classes are braindead in this game.
It's just m1+w all the way through all maps.

>>531768461
>Originally the barrier to getting optimal items was literally visiting the store over and over again
now you just roll the base to get the optimal stats
>As a new player you would have to play quite a bit just to gather the resources to max out a few weapons
that's only true because of the power level, as you get more levels and the power level of the weapons increases it takes you less resources to max them out. Literally a few high difficulty quick play matches and you can get yourself a meta weapon

>>531769112
i want to understand what makes stealth good and how to use it to its fullest potential. like for example using shout when reviving someone or before a pox bomber or when in fire fields etc. Whats the optimal way to use stealth

>>531769370
>that's only true because of the power level, as you get more levels and the power level of the weapons increases it takes you less resources to max them out.
With some bad RNG it can take several hundred thousand gold to get a 60% mobility item. It's hard to even gauge how much of an investment all the other upgrades require because I've got a huge pool of resources that I won't run out of upgrading the two new weapons they add every other year.

>>531769569
>several hundred thousand
Not like people don't have millions and millions of dockets or anything.

>>531769569
yeah but usually you get it quite quickly, you can also sell the bad rolls to get some money back

>>531768090
It has a couple of quirks, but the TL;DR is that you use it to guarantee objectives that would otherwise be annoying or dangerous because your retards will never, ever help you do them. Also pick up any yellow stimms you find and hold on to them.

>the build
Veteran is really frail without Iron Will active, so you need some way of regaining toughness. Confirmed Kill on its own is not enough. You want to path into Catch a Breath (even though skipping ammo aura would be cheaper) for some passive regen, and likely into Focus Target! for Target Down! to give you even more toughness. You do NOT want to have to use stealth to refill your toughness, even though you will sometimes be forced to.
Always take the +1 ability charge.
The other nodes aren't bad either, especially the damage reduction, but I'd primarily consider the -90% aggro specifically for doing objectives. But none of them are necessary.
Bring a melee weapon that can clear hordes really fucking well. You can't bail yourself out with shout, so something like the power sword is really nice here. BECAUSE you can't really buy yourself much breathing room, I'd avoid the bolter. You're a sitting duck when your stealth is on cd, and likely can't afford the reload nodes anyway.

>picrel
Out of the presented builds, I prefer the left one because it offers more utility. Grenades can buy you some breathing room, Catch a Breath offers more toughness overall and thus more safety, and Reciprocity + Deadshot make the recon las pretty absurd. Power sword for horde clear and armor, recon las (brown for Deadshot and cleave, but all three have their dis/advantages) for shooting things dead. Dumdum Infernus obviously because killing bosses is important when your tards will wipe if you don't delete them in 10 seconds.

I'm not sure about other weapons. I already like recon las the most, and the skill tree builds into it pretty naturally. I'd definitely avoid boltgun, and as a ranged build, bolt pistol has ammo issues.

>>531769825
follow a comment chain you retard

>>531769932
Also some notes about running this in havoc:
"Don't", because shout is generally better, and your teammates will help, or themselves, do objectives. I'd only consider it in Clandestium.
Not taking Demolition Team amounts to griefing. It will need to make concessions to take that skill.
If running kraks, bolt pistol suddenly has a lot more value for increasing its aoe. You'll be more of a utility role and grenade bitch however.

This is intended to be a purely auric build first and foremost. Stealth isn't useless in havoc, but the things it's good at shouldn't be needed with a decent team.

>>531769932
>>531770168
thanks for the breakdown. IM also leaning more towards the left build because of the toughness regen when not targeted by melee so ill give it a spin first. Also, a few questions. Why arent you taking the trait that gives 10 percent more cirt chance for melee weapons? Can i also skip the middle purple node and take the top right 2 nodes for weapon swap and 5% toughness regen on kill instead? Why is grenade regen on kill griefing? I though only i regen them or does the entire team has a chance to regen?
SO besides objectives, do i use stealth for example when reviving a teammate? what are my stealth triggers so to say

>>531771292
>Why arent you taking the trait that gives 10 percent more cirt chance for melee weapons?
Power sword just fucking kills things dead. You mostly want to use charged lights with it, but while III has a better push attack, I prefer VI for its perfectly horizontal heavies making for easier mixed horde clear. I don't think the difference between them is particularly big. Either way, the power sword doesn't get that much out of crits, and the build is extremely tight on points. Feel free to try and shuffle some points around if you want to use a different weapon setup entirely, but if you can't clear mixed armored hordes fast with your melee, you need a ranged weapon that can, so it's a different build entirely.
>Can i also skip the middle purple node
Focus Target! and Target Down! is for toughness and stamina recovery, to be used with Deadshot and a lasgun. It is core to this build in particular. You'll run a different weapon setup without it.
Out for Blood might be a genuinely good pickup instead, especially if you're using the blue recon las to horde clear trash with, meaning you don't take Deadshot and thus don't need the stamina.
>Why is grenade regen on kill griefing?
NOT taking it is griefing in havoc. There are so many elites and specialists, you'll be swimming in grenades. It's a must pick in havoc. I don't throw enough grenades in auric for it to be important there.
>I though only i regen them or does the entire team has a chance to regen?
Only you. The team support this build provides is Focus Target!'s left node applying to everyone, and ammo aura if you decide to run it. If you don't run ammo aura for some reason, try the green recon las for ammo efficiency. Not cleaving kinda sucks tho.
>what are my stealth triggers
Objectives, revives, "oh shit I need to get out of here", dropping below 50% toughness while under fire, diving into a bad position to grab a pickup. It's pretty intuitive, just play it for a bit and try to use it sparingly.

>>531771292
stealth doesn't have that much complicated utility to have like, specific situations you use it for. Use it when you need toughness, for objectives and revives, and when you need to reposition. It supresses enemies in a big radius so you can use it to dive gunners too if you want.

>>531772193
Also when running the power sword, remember that Power Cycler and Sunder are the only blessings on it, and literally everything else is useless trash. Cycler is necessary to make it usable, Sunder lets it cleave through carapace.
It's an extremely clunky weapon, but you do get used to it. It makes up for how horribly slow it is, by being extremely strong and unexpectedly versatile. Just make sure you run a stamina curio and maybe 1x block efficiency, because you will need to block with it, and activating your special also counts as blocking for a short time.

>>531772193
>>531772358
okay thank you ill try to keep everything youve said in mind concerning stealth. Concerning the build itself, i know its focused around recon las but since im playing infantry autogun (the one you can aim i forget the names of them) i think ill have to shuffle a few points around. I have to think about deadshot. Ive been running it without any stamina regen for a week now so im not quite sure if i really do need focus target. Anyway, thanks for the breakdown ill have to experiment
>>531772684
as much as i wanted to avoid running power sword, knife just isnt curring it for horde cleave despite performing really well otherwise. I hit like 2-3 enemies at a time with it which is difficult (?). I love the knife tho, my favorite weapon so far next to arbiters shock mace thing

>>531773460
Knife is great, but without shout, you'll have to get used to tossing frag grenades for horde clear, and requiring a ranged weapon (not lasgun) to help deal with mixed hordes.
The presented build already paths down to Focus Target! so you can easily pick up the rending on the way, and probably fit in the melee crit and, if you drop Deadshot and Shock Trooper anyway, possibly even brittleness. But I'm not a huge fan of any of the autoguns. If I want to shoot armor, I'll play a dedicated bolter build, or just concede and use plasma instead.

>>531764565
They didn’t say that
>>531764270
No you

>>531774383
It is what my brain autocorrects it to though.

>>531774075
i havent tried dropping deadshot yet, might be worth testing it out. So knife kinda shoehorns me into the aoe grenades and the left build it seems. decisions decisions. Im not even aware what the difference is between the auto guns and the las weapons. So far i can only deduct that they have somewhat better armor pen but that might be an observation error.

>havoc 40
>team is bad, I'm good
>wipe
>next party
>team is good, I'm bad
>wipe
>next party
>team is good, I'm good
>wipe to some bullshit 10meters from the finish line
not enjoying this bros

>unga
>bunga
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>u
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>>531775363
>Im not even aware what the difference is
Recon las specifically is extremely good. None of the autoguns stand out in any particular way, except maybe gun psyker, but that's kind of a meme build anyway.

Between the auto guns and the las weapons
Lasguns with access to dumdum rape bosses really fast, because fire is good against them. Unyielding is the best perk for this reason. After that, it's crit or maniacs depending on what you need in your build.
Lasguns are terrible against armor unless you build heavily into brittleness/rending, which I don't think is worth it when you can just use a melee weapon to take care of those problems. You can shoot every ranged enemy dead, and all the armored ones just come into your blender. If you can't deal with armored hordes with a power sword, you just need to practice more.
On veteran, lasguns have obscene ammo efficiency because you can easily exceed 50% crit rate and just barely consume any ammo. This means you can just hold down your trigger into hordes and pretend you're playing CoD zombies, only rarely using melee, assuming there isn't some abundance of armor.

Autoguns don't have that ammo efficiency, have massive amounts of recoil, and don't delete bosses no matter your build. That's a huge number of tradeoffs just for the ability to shoot armor decently well. They're generally "okay" at best, and basically griefing in havoc for their terrible ammo economy.

>Join game
>three people running stealth-skills
>Job before the first set-piece

Lmao what a bunch of fucking faggots haha. They all went down in no time, so I just decided to offer myself to the trapper and get it over with

>>531775420
>havoc 40
>team is good
>at the very first drop down the game sends twins, a captain, a beast of nurgle, and a plague ogryn
>after we've sufficiently backed ourselves into a corner, it sends flamers and flame bombers
>you can tell someone that this is bullshit and bad game design, and their response will be "dooood shoulda brung chorus zealot ;))))"

>>531777229
>play hardest mode that demands you play the meta
>don't play the meta
>not skilled enough to succeed without meta builds
>act surprised when you don't succeed