female protagonist edition
>RAIDOU Remastered: The Mystery of the Soulless Army Released on Steam and Switch 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Xyh3SciAM [Open]

>Raidou Remastered World Spotlight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIr3mDfEAlo [Open]

>VV has a demo now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Br8Pt11f0 [Open]

>SMT VV patch 1.0.3 is out. includes 6 new navigators, one new quest and demon

>Atlus 2025 Aspirations Tease Upcoming Announcement from Shin Megami Tensei Team, New Experience from Persona Team:
https://personacentral.com/atlus-2025-aspirations-tease/

>Giten Megami Tensei's partial translation patch for PC-98
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7343/

>Vengeance OST scans
https://imgur.com/a/smtvv-ost-liner-notes-cNN28YJ

>Shin Megami Tensei The Board Game Kickstarter
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smtboardgame/shin-megami-tensei-board-game

>Megaten Fusion Tools [For real fusion autists!]
https://aqiu384.github.io/megaten-fusion-tool/home

>Archive of 3DS Texture Packs
https://reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/1b6v86u/3ds_games_hd_texture_packs_are_gone/

>Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 soundtracks are now available on digital streaming services

>Old neocities site containing info and useful links (no longer updated)
https://smtgen.neocities.org/#original-post

>SMT TTRPG Campaign PDF:
https://files.catbox.moe/rdqfh3.pdf

>20XX rereleased on April 24th for the Nintendo Switch. Steam on May 8th
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3652460/GMODE_20XX/

>真 /smtg/ plays is underway. we're playing smt 1.

Last cycle:>>531315602

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>>531820240 (OP)
真 /smtg/ plays anchor post.
do any characters stand out to you in smt 1?

page:
>https://rentry.org/shin-smtg-plays
poll about deciding future games:
>https://strawpoll.com/w4nWWX2YdnA
smt 1 mc poll:
>https://strawpoll.com/eJnvVNb51nv
what route are you going for?:
>https://strawpoll.com/PKglejq3oZp

>>531820784
cool bonus scenes worth checking out in smt 1:
Spoilers!
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUPMPneP4A&pp=ygUVc210IDEgdmlzaW9uYXJ5IGl0ZW1z

>>531820240 (OP)
Tokyo has fallen, BILLIONS must die

He totally listen to Death in June and KMFDM, doesn’t he?

>>531821073
This is the closest we got to SMT 1 maniax

>>531821164
he probably listens to anything heavy metal

Another round of exploration begins after Pazuzu tells us to meet him in Shinjuku to throw down and I naturally decide to investigate everywhere else instead.
Notable occurrences:
>Our old pal Lucifer is found in some forgotten corner of the subway system. He seems to have chilled out since we last saw him.
>we killed an optional boss that I am quite certain we weren't meant to kill yet. Our reward is an NPC saying "bro you weren't supposed to kill Tiamat yet, come back when the story says you're supposed to come here. asshole."
>We de-petrify Atlas, who swears loyalty to us in gratitude. His Magnetite cost is so laughably low especially for a level 25 demon that he's effectively a permanent party member until he gets fused.
>We discover the secret lair of a mad scientist. We have an amusingly awkward conversation where he gloats about trying to create a weapon of mass destruction before he realizes he just tried to kill a man who can summon demons on top of him so he pivots awkwardly to offering to create anti-petrification items for us.
>We bully the shit out of the Ueno cult, which turns out to be led by the lamest demon lord of all time. Fucking Lord Leonard. Dude might as well have been named Baron Bob or some shit. We shoved a boot so far up his ass he started coughing up shoestrings and we snatch another pillar from his broken form.
>After getting a tip from one of... ugh, "Lord Leonard's" former followers we head back to the old apartment building where I lost my arm to go find a lady who gives us the Wind Seal. We also have round 2 with the stone face that chomped me. With the blessing of the Omnissiah and my putrid flesh reborn as reliable solid steel we humiliate the primitive trap and secure one more pillar.
Finally after all of this I pay a visit to Pazuzu only to find out that this silly bitch, this absolute quivering pussy, called me out then locked all their doors and windows when I came a-knocking.

>>531820784
smt really embodies how you can't make everyone happy.
with things like the 2 counts making several others suffer just to make alice happy, the mc deciding between his 2 friends or just staying neutral, chaos hero wavering and setting the mc free in respect to their friendship, law hero waiting to see if the mc will join him (also applies to chaos hero), etc.

you can't make everyone happy. sooner or later you will have to choose between someone. but what also makes it sad is often that the people fighting and dying for their ideology die for no reason. they are all fighting for a temporary era. and just going by smt 2, which follows smt 1's neutral route, even the mc's era of balance where people get to choose what they want doesn't really last. or maybe that's the point. balance is weak and just leads to future struggles.

i guess the question is "is all this destruction worth it?"
but also, you don't have a choice. you have to pick something that will destroy someone or something else and there's no going back.

>>531821073
This was drawn by Kaneko??

>>531824947
If you're a chaosfag yeah. It is an idealogy in the game about "living in the moment." I feel like alot of SMT games do make the permanent choice thing well.

have you ever ragequit a smt game

>>531826845
a fan colored it but yes, it's from the el salem novel

>>531827759
there's also a point of there being a "cycle" in smt games and everyone will end up fighting for their ideology and ending the current era for their new one.
well, actually i don't remember if the older games have the "cycle" but 3 and 4 make a point of there being a cycle.

it's mandatory for anyone unfamiliar with that novel to see this

>>531829985
criminally underrated Kaneko art

>>531790851 #
>i'm probably lame for this but i always get sad when the partner characters "change" and leave to pursue their ideology.
Frankly there is no way the developers of the original game(s) weren't aware of this. The scenes where they decide to leave are always written in such a way that hints at at minimum disappointment and that's without going into the sadness of their deaths.
And it feels like a genuine parallel to real when friendships fall off or end due to ideological differences.

The fandom has built this "le kil youre friends xD" meme for the billionth trite and forced nuPersona comparison but it really sucks to kill your friends in SMT1. Both Chaos Hero and Law Hero also feel genuinely like they could have changed their their minds had things gone differently. Chaos Hero was a victim of circumstances getting strung along by a thot and Law Hero was basically brainwashed into believing he was the Messiah.

>>531830634
>And it feels like a genuine parallel to real when friendships fall off or end due to ideological differences.
yeah, i feel you. as well as just people antagonizing others in general for differing political beliefs.

>it really sucks to kill your friends in SMT1. Both Chaos Hero and Law Hero also feel genuinely like they could have changed their their minds had things gone differently. Chaos Hero was a victim of circumstances getting strung along by a thot and Law Hero was basically brainwashed into believing he was the Messiah.
i hate having to pick between them or stay neutral.
i hate what both the forces of law and chaos have done to them to change them or push them further into an extremist mindset.
i usually do neutral to give the middle finger to both of those forces who just had to screw everything up.

>>531830634
Good post, I'm feeling the same way.

raiCHAD beating demicuck

>>531830634
yeah, it's meant to be somewhat melancholy, unfortunate yet unavoidable. it being turned into a joke or something you look forward to in each game completely misses the intent. apocalypse's portrayal of it is why that game feels like smt as written by people who don't understand smt.

That fangame guy switched to 3d models:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/1m3iimy/what_if_smt_iv_were_in_3d_instead_of_sprites/

>>531821073
watching the visionary item scenes:
it does seem like chaos hero just hated the principle of hiding behind others for strength because that's what ozawa did.
>they attack me when they're together but they wouldn't do it if they were alone
ozawa attacks chaos hero by using his men. and he hides behind takeminekata when you confront him after the nukes drop.

there's other things like the steven report character profiles that make it seem like chaos hero didn't like anyone at school nor in his neighborhood and generally disliked things that restricted him, like school.
it also mentions that he hung around ozawa to escape all those stupid things that restricted him.
but ozawa eventually started asking for money and when chaos hero refused, ozawa and his men beat him.

so i kinda get the feeling that chaos hero probably wouldn't like relying on others to gain freedom again because of how ozawa tried to use him in return for giving him freedom from all those stupid things/people he hated.
but that's just using the steven report. i'm not sure it's actually canon but it is where the names kazuya, yuuji, takeshi, and yuka come from.
but the gba visionary scenes make it seem more like ozawa beat chaos hero because he spoke his mind or something.

>>531829374
probably like 10 years ago. smt4 minotaur fight lol.

>>531829374
Demon Summoner in SMT1, actually
I ended up losing that save file and I don't have the patience to restart

I wish I weren't so busy cuz I wanna play Raidou and indulge into fusion autism all day

>>531844104
Interesting.

Was the Raidou remaster a flop? It has less than a thousand reviews on steam.

>>531864614
HUUUGE flop. sold less than 10 copies, and only the r/megaten redditors here actually shill it.

>>531864614
>Was the Raidou remaster a flop?
Yes. It still the same outdated boring game with butchered artstyle. I'm glad it flopped.

r/flopdou is here

>>531864614
everybody here stopped posting about it after 2 weeks. it flopped really bad.

>>531864614
>>531864885
>>531865006
>>531865392
Go back to your flopdoucord

>>531864614

>>531865006
>>531865392
That's a shame, I was thinking of giving it a try, too bad Atlus put no effort into it.

>>531827759
>>531829748
the
whites
were
right

Kissies to Raido.

>>531869159
Yeah, it's a cash grab attempt to scam #atlusfaithful fans, but even they didn't buy the game.

okay i love smt1 but i really hate how strict it is in pathing. you can't do shit out of order and it's kinda annoying since the game doesn't give you much direction to actually do shit.

is this still an issue in SMT2?

>>531870009
please fucking delete this

I want to fuck Amane

I want PM Koshimizu to fill my holes

I missed the launch. What is opinion on Raidou?

>>531864614
It sold around 60k physical sales in Japan across all platforms according to the Famitsu weekly charts, with most of the sales being for Nintendo Switch. We don't know anything about how many digital copies it sold and what the sales were like overseas. I'd guess that it's doing okay, not great and not terrible. You could try it out when its on sale, they overhauled the gameplay to make it actually fun to play compared to how janky the original PS2 title was. It's a good introduction to Raidou for newcomers and normies that don't like games that are too old.

>>531872575
Reception has been quite negative, to say the least. The new lighting completely strips away the moody, atmospheric tone that gave the original games their soul, everything looks flat and overexposed, as if they tossed out the art direction in favor of generic brightness. The UI somehow manages to look worse than the PS2 version, with lifeless fonts and uninspired menus that feel more like a mobile game than a modern remaster. To make matters worse, they even censored certain elements like the imperial flag, watering down historical and thematic context without explanation. And for all that, they’re charging $50 which is an absurd price for what is essentially a bare-minimum port with a fresh coat of mediocrity. It’s a slap in the face to longtime fans, especially those who were excited to finally see Raidou get some love once more. Flopdu is what it's generally being called here these days.

>>531873215
>The new lighting completely
So basically Persona 4 situation?
>To make matters worse, they even censored certain elements like the imperial flag, watering down historical and thematic context without explanation
Yeah, this is tiresome.
I heard that they made gameplay actually better..

>>531873903
imo the worst is removing the SMT 1 references and replacing it with covid

>>531870320
It's actually worse. The only improvement on that front is that you can pay a fortune teller to point you in the right direction.

>>531874243
>replacing it with covid
It's not even a meme?

>>531875320
atlus is obsessed with cars and the coof

do any of you guys still wear masks?

>>531876195
>still

Killed Gotou, I should really know what I am fusing because none of my demons had buffs besides the accuracy raising one

>>531876313
you're part of the problem. old people died because of you.

>>531872575
Better gameplay, some script changes that most people dislike.
Biggest contentious point are the visuals, most people in this general dislike the new art direction but from what I've seen, nips are a lot less vocal about it.

>>531876426
Based

>>531876568
>Better gameplay
It's "better" but still miles worse than gameplay of any modern action game. Only Atlus can sell shit like this.

>>531846473
There's also an interview I can't find which expounds a bit on the characters, which also says Chaos Hero and Ozawa's conflict arose from Chaos Hero's independence being at odds with Ozawa's desire for control.

One thing there that isn't in the visionary items is that Law Hero is basically not human anymore, the angels magically stripped him of his empathy and desire for companionship, which is why he comes across so much worse than Chaos Hero in the latter half of the game.

>>531877926
They should've outsourced the combat like was done in Automata.

>>531877926
It's not an action game, it's an action RPG.
And what do you say about the people telling to play the original game which has even worse gameplay by several magnitude?

what
I was just exploring a prison.

>>531880376
Beat his ass, he kept spamming Hapilma for some reason and rarely attacked.
No weapon drop however.
Gained 7 levels in the process lmao

>>531872575
It calls itself a remaster but in many ways it feels more like a remake. The tonal shift is not just "le worse graphics xD" (which imo are good except for demon models, which are all over the place), in general the feeling of the story and world is closer to Raidou 2's so it feels weirder, sillier and more upbeat. They changed SMT1 references in the Arakana Corridor to a message about "masks and uncertain future" which to me feels like a shoved in SMTV reference due to the west not really getting SMT1 + Yamai loves his multiverse shit. Honestly I think I can safely say that in the Remaster, there are multiple implications that this version of Raidou 1's events is a separate version from the original game's and that Remastered leads to the future where SMTV will happen.

It could have easily been the best version of the game had they sticked closer to the original (just with more demons, some new subquests and the revamped battle system), but as it stands it feels more like remake that recontextualizes the game and makes it closer to the rest of the Raidou media series.
I like it and I'd rather play it over the original; however, after finally letting it sit for a bit I can confirm the very first thought I had about it, which is that if you *really* want to play all of Raidou *you have* to start with Raidou 1. Raidou Remastered is its own thing.

>>531864614
More people played SH2 and that game had a hate campaign around it.

>>531864614
don't play it fren.

>>531882432
Can you really call it a hate campaign when most people didn't want it?

>>531829985
if gotou is mishima why isn't he gay

>>531829985
GIWTWM

>>531884924
Which one

>>531829985
Was there sex in the first games?

>>531870320
Personally I found 2 much easier to get through, I only needed to use a walkthrough twice I think.

I saw the photo of some guy with funny moustache wearing crown. Who exactly is he?

>>531885186
Crowley fights you out of sexual frustration because Lucifer forbade him from holding a demon orgy.

Is Digital Devil Saga 3 still not translated?

I read a discussion about character depth and story building through mainline arguing that Vengeance is the only game that attempted to do both and did it mostly right. Not perfect but it shows that mainline can finally tell a proper story.
>every character has an arc (even a small one) and comes to a conclusion
>every character as a backstory, hobbies, likes and dislikes as shown on their character design or in the demon haunt and they all play a part in the narrative
>and while the world building is light, it's sufficient in explaining the main story

He also said the only other game with characters that come as close is DDS 1 and 2.
Of course this lead to people screaming about Devil Survivor and SMTIV and most people trying to say Walter, Johnathan, and Isabeau have a ton of depth and giving out a ton of headcanon as to why they believe that.

Why are items so expensive in SMT1...
I grinded for money when I reached Ginza and now that I'm at Ikebukuro, I need to grind for money again...

>>531892118
>3
nani?

>>531896740
Meant Digital Devil Story. Sorry.

Digital Devil Saga 3
Directed by Ishida

Ronde 2
Directed by Takashi Iizuka
Main Writer Ian Flynn

sniffing Thor-sama!!!!

>>531899967
Even MORE nocturne References!!!

Admiring Thor-sama's nerfed ass... and noticing he actually has bigger tits now...

>>531901675
thor paizuri...

I hate gay people

>>531901914
... that's my fetish...

His waist is less snatched but he still manages to have his sex appeal~~!!!
Thor-sama suki!!

>>531902136
Merkabah...

>>531901372
>>531901675
>>531902706
Shut the fuck up Avery

>>531899967
>Asuka: Heh... one more god rejected. This truly is the cycle of Samsara.

>>531901372
>>531901675
>>531902706
Dago

Do you think Law Hero and Chaos Hero were friends or they just tolerated each other because of MC?

>>531906184
secret lovers

>>531906184
Judging by the dialogue I got the impression they were friends who disagreed and fought at times.

does smt even have any good hentai

>>531864614
It flopped harder than SH2. It's Raidover.

Aren't you and your little clique bored of trying to convince people that Raidou sold poorly when it clearly did just fine and is generally agreed to be a pretty decent remaster of a game that was already kind of bad?

>accidentally used my only demon recruiting a shitmon
>can't kill Law Hero's GF
fuck i guess i'll just watch a video to see what happens when you kill her

>>531909734
>when it clearly did just fine
ok i'm not even the schizo, but that's literally just flat out wrong. it did not sell well at all...
>game that was already kind of bad
holy tourist the original game was fine. r/megaten is right around the corner and down the street. shoo.

>>531910138
>only video on youtube has the dumbass enable end cards covering what happens
wow amazing

>>531909734
>decent remaster of a game that was already kind of bad?
The original Raidou was not a bad game.

>>531910445
>>531910940
Is this bait? The gameplay in the original fucking sucked.

>battles in towns for no reason with an ungodly encounter rate
>only one demon at a time
>input lag with clunky controls
>having to buy ammo in a series that never had ammo management and hasn't had it since because ammo management is shit
>that Mishaguji boss fight

They knew it was bad so they fixed most of what they could in Raidou 2, which is a way better Raidou experience.

>>531911824
just say you're a zoomer that can't handle ps2 games and move on with your life.

>>531911824
>Is this bait?
Yes it is. It's hard but not impossible to have genuine Raidou discussion in this general, you sadly have to get lucky to find people who actually played the games (including the remaster or not) despite them acting like they're the biggest fans of Raidou 1. There even was a massive poseur who said they censored Belphegor's toilet when in fact they simply gave him his Raidou 2 medieval latrine. Most of these fags just browse twitter and post the same screencaps over and over until you like it. Only one or two posters in total since the game's release had actual, genuine criticism of it that wasn't parroting the shit you see in every thread ad nauseatum. The Flopdoucord could easily pirate the Remaster, see it for themselves and bring new criticism to light but all they do is parrot and meme.

How many people in this general actually PLAY games instead of coasting on vibes only, wikis and videos? I would love to know. There are actually a bunch of posters who post progress and have actual game knowledge but I doubt it's any of these fags.
If anyone is reading this post and actually plays MegaTen games: thank you for not being a massive faggot poseur who thinks he is cool for playing teh edgy kill youre friends games.

>>531911824
>having to buy ammo in a series that never had ammo management and hasn't had it since because ammo management is shit
If had ammo management you zoomer tourist, kill yourself for not actually playing the games

>>531913438
what even is this schizo ass post? apparently if you happen to like raidou 1, you've actually never played the game nor any other megaten games either? this sounds oddly super specific like you're deflecting your own personal feelings onto others or some shit. for someone that's calling others "posers" i can guarantee you i've most likely played more of the 90s games than you have.

>>531913873
Says the zoomer lol. I love when If... gets brought up in these arguments because you trolls actually know jack shit about it, plus you bitch and moan when anything that isn't lewding the girls gets brought up.
Also it's one game out of how many?

>>531914531
Woah retard, cool it with the projection! I've beaten both reiko and akiras route, when you say people know jack shit about it are you just talking about yourself?

>>531914529
>apparently if you happen to like raidou 1, you've actually never played the game nor any other megaten games either?
Not what I said. You're either a clueless newfag or you're in on some shit if you didn't notice how many consecutive posts get made anytime somebody posts DID RAIDOU REMASTER FLOP???, cause otherwise nobody posts or cares about Raidou in general.

would transitioning have saved Raidou?

>>531914754
>when you say people know jack shit about it are you just talking about yourself?
No, I'm talking about playing the game over the course of a few weeks last year, trying to talk about it in this general and basically getting no replies unless I got lucky that someone else who played it was browsing.
Also, anyone who played If... knows that ammo management sucks shit and was a terrible attempt at nerfing guns. You're only defending it to refute that anon's points.

>>531915683
Ammo management doesn't suck, you just have low IQ. Irvine is my favourite character in FF8 and he has the same shit
Likewise, I enjoy raidou using elemental ammo more than raidou just being a mage with spells himself in the remaster
You're going to have to accept this earth shattering revelation that not everyone who likes mechanics you don't is le epic freaking poseur, broaden your horizons and accept the concept of taste differing per individual.
And for the record, I really don't like IF that much at all, but ammo management isn't on my list of things I dislike about it.

>>531914885
>cause otherwise nobody posts or cares about Raidou in general.
thank you for outing yourself as a complete tourist that probably started browsing this general post 2016 election. people have been posting about raidou here in the general since the beginning of dawn. obviously it's not gonna be talked about here 24/7, but that's just the nature of it being a spinoff series. to say nobody here cares and never posts about raidou is just a straight up lie though. YOU can get the fuck out here and go back to your little subreddit.

I started playing SMTVV recently and I'm not lying when I say I think it might have the most interesting story out of all of the mainline games. Also IV sucked and I had to force myself to finish it. Apocalypse was good, though.
Also to contribute to the current shitflinging, Raidou 1 is better than the sequel in every single way. It's top 5 megaten. Most of the series is shit.

>>531917094
Agreed, and Maniax ruined Nocturne.

Raidou lost and got raped by Donkey Kong

>no, you can't POSSIBLY like (old game) you're just POSING
You realise this is just as circlejerky as "I hate (new game) because its new" right
Its the opposite autistic alignment on mirroring ends of the spectrum but its the same tier of all or nothing retardation that doesn't accept any greater context or nuance

>>531916281
Ammo management does suck in If... and that's all I meant by that.
Not even gonna argue with the rest of your posts because you're baiting and clearly posing as an oldfag. If you were a regular you'd have shown up sooner to defend Raidou 1 any time someone brought it up in these months. Also I thought it'd be obvious that if I say "nobody cares about Raidou" it's hyperbole because Raidoufags posted in this very thread.

>>531918979
And I have no problem with ammo managment in if, no amount of pissing and wailing and screaming that everybody else is a baiting poser will make your personal issue with it an uncontestable axiom.
And I HAVE been defending the quality of raidou 1 as of late, I've literally been bringing up the parts of it I like over the remaster.

>>531918921
Let my ESL ass try to explain what I mean by that since you are arguing in good faith:
There are genuine Raidoufags who like and enjoyed Raidou 1 on PS2 and I am one of them. I *played* it and I enjoyed it despite its warts and all. I would never argue that people that play games are lying or posing as fans.
HOWEVER it sure is fucking weird that these supposed Raidou fans always come out of the woodwork whenever someone posts "How did the Remaster go?, then 4 or 5 samey replies that get posted every thread show up in a very short span of time.
Am I also gonna pretend they're fans of the original PS2 games when they out themselves like that time with Belphegor's toilet?
There also have been genuine Raidoufags who hated the Remaster after trying it and who backed up good arguments against it compared to the original. None of the Flopdou memers do that, they just made it almost impossible to discuss Raidou because they want to "kill the general".

>>531908189
good yaoi doujins yes

>>531908189
Having to wait until august before artist can start on the ten page futsuo mom doujin and have had a road block on other artists who stopped doing comic pages because comiket is around the corner. Have a few amane commissions on the way though, and there are a couple of doujins that are pretty quality. There’s even a majin tensei/smt2 doujin but that’s from the early 2000’s

>>531915683
>>531918979
ps1 version's easy mode makes ammo infinite if you ever wanna try that if you play if... again.

you can't really be too mad at people for not playing if... either since it's a kusoge because of sloth mainly.

>>531878105
sounds interesting. i'll keep an eye out for it.
but you can generally tell how the characters change and become different people the deeper they fall into their alignment.
and even if you choose their alignment they usually die anyway. no matter what, they're just gone.

>>531885186
i know for a fact if... has sex.
someone else told me there was sex in the other snes games a long time ago, at least in smt 2 but i never verified it and i haven't seen anything online for it like if... has.
there are things like crowley being horny as someone else mentioned.

>>531922918
Don’t forget giten

>>531906184
friends

>>531923118
yeah, giten too.
sorry, my mind just jumped to the snes era games

i wasn't really bothered by if...'s limited ammo that much though personally.
guns start falling off at sloth, then you can get a better gun in envy so they're sorta ok again until greed.
but mostly i used them to charm enemies.
and once i get the sword from the old guy in envy/greed, i don't rely on guns much anymore.

i don't remember how good they were for akira's route. i should really replay his route.

>>531823964
Shortly after leaving Shinjuku we run into one of Baal's lieutenants Mammon who gives us a single one of Baal's claws and tells us that it will break the barrier to Pazuzu's back door entrance in the subways. He also says that if we present the head of Baal's most hated rival that he will allow us passage into his territory.
We get into Pazuzu's lair to discover that it's protected by an endless army of loyal drug junkies not unlike the impregnable Citadel of Los Angeles.
Harvest makes another appearance looking a bit more purple than before, he sics Orthrus on us who we OHKO before he skedaddles like a coward. Pazoozles gets curb stomped and we procure yet another pillar before securing his head.
We present our trophy to Mammon who promptly betrays us and also gets mopped for his troubles. The door now unguarded we poke our heads into Baal's desert and grab another pillar from the local priest who we bested in a test of strength. Later we reach a road block, as Baal has understandably closed the only intact bridge leading to his castle and I'm missing the seal required to use an alternate route.
Heading back to the mainland I begin my search for the Earth Seal, unintentionally getting yet another pillar by winning the arena tournament before actually finding the Earth Seal by beating up some chump who was pissy his demon got rocked my my Rakshasa at incredible high speeds during the tourney of power.
Before heading back to Dream Island I check up on the Ginza subways after a bar patron in Shinjuku mentioned there was a small earthquake there and-
uh oh.

if you think about it ringo is basically the grok anime girl in universe

>>531864614
go slop go flop, as they say

>>531903458
This is a real quote from Ronde, by the way

>>531923441
giten deez balls in ur mouth lmao

What is the straightest SMT? I'm afraid I can only play straight games.

>>531917094
Raidou 1's story is superior to 2 but the gameplay in 2 is much better than 1.

>>531926939
jack bros

I want to fill Yuzuru's holes

>>531926939
strange journey

>>531927681
I won't let you take advantage of my precious brother, you damn Prime Minister...

>>531926939
MT1-2, SMT 1-3, If.., SJ, 4 neutral

I will only play Megami Tensei games with confirmed homos

>>531929043

>>531929043

>>531929043
>anon gets to play the best game in the series exclusively
Lucky

>>531929162
They put me in the game...

>>531875320
There are still some SMT1/2 references, even new ones, but they did replace some old lines with references to the real world's 2010s and 2020s.

>>531929369
>real world's 2010s
There are non-real world ones though. Like the strange first female prime minister in the 70s thing which never happened in Japanese history.

im still convinced the coof reference is actually a SMTV reference

>>531821073
lol at chaos hero being okay with someone joining him because they're a girl even though he makes such a big point of wanting to be alone.

>>531929760
The "disease" spreading in Tokyo and people fearing it would have to be a Vengeance reference specifically, and Yamai wasn't even involved with that. He's only credited for the original concept of V. There are many other elements that would have been valid for all routes of V they could have chosen for that line if that were their intention.

>>531820240 (OP)
I dont think

>>531930791
...

>>531930791
you're in the right place

excuse the fuzzy screencap, my capture card isn't the nicest ever but is there any reason I should keep Cerberus around or can I fuse him into Nyarly here? I've just finished the gauntlet of the 3 elders and fake YHVH

>>531820784
it sticks out to me how the forces of law and chaos use people's biggest desires to manipulate them. or rather, it's easy for people to become radicalized when their biggest desires are promised to them.

all law hero wanted to do was help people and it's fitting that's how he dies. he saves you from count black but he has to sacrifice himself to do so. then he later gets revived and manipulated into thinking he's a messiah. and it is straight up manipulation with how the forces of law dangle the thing he wanted most right in front him, they promise that he'll be able to save people.

it's also ironic how in becoming a messiah, law hero just ends up as a sacrifice, and he even says that before he dies in the neutral route, which is also a callback to the dream sequence at the beginning where the hooded figure says "this is the man who was sacrificed to god."

it's the same for the chaos hero, he just wanted power so people would stop messing with him for no reason. the thing he wanted was dangled in front of him by the forces of chaos so he falls further into that ideology.

and it's fitting how his lust for power kills him in the chaos route with a powerful ring or something. the neutral route has him make a callback to the dream sequence at the beginning by saying he was having a good dream.

>>531935239
I wonder if in the end Chaos Hero's good dream was hanging out with his friends like he ends up doing in the first two dream sequences.
Fucks me up thinking about it.

>>531935849
He had an incubus sitting on him so it was probably a demon sex dream.

>>531936937
bro.........

>>531932740
You won't be able to get a new Cerberus until Abbadon I think but you don't need him for anything.

I was pretty disappointed there was no extra dialogue with Madam there if you have him with you.

>>531929494
It's talking about Thatcher.

>>531937474
lame, time to fuse then. thanks

>>531935849
>>531936937
i think the "incubus" was lilith.
the dream sequence was a foggy premonition of the future. it's lilith because she manipulated him and in the end, he never escaped the restrictions others placed on him. except maybe when he died ironically.

interesting idea about his dream being traveling with his friends.
it makes sense. i think he did genuinely enjoy traveling with you and law hero. he was just too autistic and abused to really admit it though

alright ginza and police station are really pissing me off i guess im stopping here.
not even that it's hard, it's just the demon selection at this stage fucking sucks and the resource management is starting to get REALLY painful (aka annoying)

>>531937752
Why would we be jumping countries?

Raidou prevented Thor-sama from launching the nukes in SMT1 through the sheer power of love d e s u

>>531943557
Wish I were Thor...

>>531940827
the akarana corridor always had references to world events
the 1960s reference was the vietnam war

do demons have semen or do they cum magnetite

>>531944218
Depends on the individual demon's lore I guess

>>531944218
There's only one way to find out

>>531944856
best demon to test with?

>>531945986
Shiva

>>531944856
Mara obviously.

>>531882562
I wanted it

i like how law hero's messiah form resembles a western catholic outfit. and how chaos hero's demon form resembles traditional japanese armor.
it fits with chaos representing japanese nationalism and law representing western influence and takeover to some extent.

>>531954995
a bit odd since I'm pretty sure protestants had much more impact/interaction with japan than catholics

>>531955840
I mean it's not like Zoroastrians had a significant influence on Japan, either. The Japanese are capable of learning what mitres look like without hundreds of years of Catholicism.

I got a couple words to say, for all you strong and silent types

Who don't talk to the Lilims they want to love, though it means your life

I'll say this, next time you get stuck and the words won't come

"Your eyes are blue as the coals that burn
In your black corsage"

>>531955840
Their first contact with Christians was with Catholics in the Warring States era. After the country closed doors they were mostly eliminated though, and then when it opened itself again most of the contact was from protestants.

According to the wiki page, about 35% of the Christians in Japan currently are Catholic, while Protestants are 60% but split in various groups (out of just 1 or 1,5% of the overall population of Japan), although Catholicism is still bigger than any single protestant Church.

>>531924397
I totally forgot that I had the code to enter a locked down building in an earlier city so I put besieging Baal's castle off for a bit to go investigate. Upon entry we discover haywire security electronics and a lone terminal with an updated copy of Devil Buster. I quickly discover that the goodest of boys is trapped within the demonic code and free him, I also slay the demon responsible for the haywire security who was also hiding within the game.
That settled, we begin the attack on Baal's castle and run into Harvest who came to his senses but then insisted that he could totally solo Baal when he couldn't even last one turn against us. He then makes a big brain play and sics his entire demon cohort on us while he challenges the demon king alone.
The game essentially describes the tom and jerry sound effects of Harvest getting his shit pushed in before we enter and I stifle a chuckle as he reconsiders his life choices.
Baal proves to be surprisingly challenging, killing all of our demons before finally going down. He turns into a frog for some reason, I decide to spare him and am pleasantly surprised by the option to keep him as a pet.
After all of that we finally return to that one place we got turned away from earlier, sidestepping Tiamat's rotting carcass as we enter ground zero and plant the pillars.
I spent an embarrassing amount of time wandering around Japan trying to figure out what to do next before coming to the realization that the hell portal statues were a hint rather than an actual secret, and enter hell via the pillar using the same technique.

SMT about the 30 Year's War
YHVH vs... another YHVH (but he looks different)

>>531873215
I read somewhere that some of the exclusive demons are just reused touched up PS2 era models, is this true?

>>531821073
Love seeing art of MCs with their summoned demons

Are the high prices in the beginning of SMT a meme? I feel like I'm going to get cheaper prices later and I should wait or am I mistaken?

>>531964458
wdym?

Yeah the Navy Admiral bit really just does not make any sense at all with the story changes. The setup is completely identical to the original game but no explanation is offered for why the navy cares about this cursed deity at all and you just get slotted back into normal story as soon as the bit is over

>>531971535
I mean it costs 12000 or more to buy a gun and I don't know if I should bother. I'm close to that amount though just from walking around and recruiting demons to test out fusing things together.

>>531973224
I just took Law Hero's, he a magic guy anyway

>>531974180
Oh, that's not a bad idea actually.

>>531935849
>"m" at the end of the name
>that size and resolution
I'm sorry anon, but you probably saved a resized, low-quality version of that pic.

>>531940273
Ginza is when you need to stop autoing random battle.
Police station is easy is you buy new gun at Ginza, most ennemies there are weak to them.

>>531964458
No and it's only going to get worse.
The zombie soliders you fight before a certain boss can drop the MP5 gun but the droprate is low.
I still recommend doing it because guns essentially carry your ass early on, just don't forget to buy ammo.
Also don't farm for money too much at the beginning for story reasons.

>>531961306
Maybe Jubokko? But frankly I don't think so because if they simply souped up their original PS2 models a lot of demons would look better than they actually do now.
Every demon looks like it has higher polygonal but it's their art direction, modelling and texturing that's inferior.
I'm not sure how it works at Atlus but I theorize that, since at least Nocturne, 3D modellers have been using a drawn reference sheet that they trace over on something like Blender. This is why you get models that look identical at glance but then they're actually pretty different upon closer inspection.
I think some animations are also recycled but then again I could be wrong because I certainly don't remember Alp moving so much. I would love to get actual footage from emulators some day this summer but I have no idea what are the best free programs for it.

The real demons that stand out in a bad way are Doimons. They are much higher poly than everyone else and they have a different artstyle that doesn't match other human-looking demons and characters on top of it.

Thus saith the Lord.

>>531881058
>They changed SMT1 references in the Arakana Corridor to a message about "masks and uncertain future" which to me feels like a shoved in SMTV reference
isn't this more due to there being some shit that Raidou leads to the Persona timeline(s)

Raidou is gay.
Hazama is gay.
Thor is gay.

>>531981009
Raidou leads to multiple timelines, including the Devil Summoner and Persona one, but the Remastered adds references to SMTVV, like Koshimizu's flyers in Ginza or a quest that lets you fuse Hayataro (which seems oddly specific compared to just having him in the roster with no fanfare like Mermaid) which seems to imply it can also lead to SMTVV's future.
The masks reference in Arakana could either be related to Corona or to SMTVV.

gouto

RONDé is...

What the fuck is wrong with the mu shuwuu navigator
Did they code this one wrong or something, the navs in general already make an annoying amount of noise but this one talks without exaggeration, 3x more than all the others, even amanozako
Holy shit
Is this what the modern megatan fan wants, the demons cooing in their ear LITERALLY every 3 seconds? I encourage you to test out this nav to prove that I'm not exaggerating when I say she makes an annoying noise every 3 seconds, its absurd

>>531987438
My only guess is that lolifags want to be pestered constantly

>>531978540
>I'm not sure how it works at Atlus but I theorize that, since at least Nocturne, 3D modellers have been using a drawn reference sheet that they trace over on something like Blender. This is why you get models that look identical at glance but then they're actually pretty different upon closer inspection.
iirc theyre working off the animation skeletons of the old models from Noct. to the MMO game so I think if they were to up the poly count and give them HD textures and just make them work with the already existing anims. I actually don't know what they're doing though.

>>531881058
>which imo are good except for demon models, which are all over the place
Yeah in the OG version were touched up in the texture dept. to make them fit the time period, with Beez and Arahabaki being the most notable pic related

>>531922814
I should make a LORA and slop this character for personal use and then maybe try to play Devil Survivor.

>>531990886
>iirc theyre working off the animation skeletons of the old models from Noct. to the MMO game so I think if they were to up the poly count and give them HD textures and just make them work with the already existing anims.
You'd think so, and I imagine that could definitely be the case for models that look nicer and more in line with the originals like Oshichi or Oboroguruma, but some models look way too different in terms of proportions... and these do use the same animation skeletons though which is part of why they look so janky.

>>531990886
What’s a LORA

Ringo is my girlfriend.

>>532000803
Who?

>>531977447
nah i can still auto just gotta smart auto aka fuck the ninja bitches holy fuck you stupid cunts

>>531820784
i finished smt 1 on neutral.
player – kerberos

>>531820784
also, lmao.
he's a demon?

>>531820784
and saves around the cathedral, if that anon even wants them.
i used duckstation on my phone.
https://files.catbox.moe/y2d7mu.mcd

>>531820784
sorry, i think that might've been an older "memory card."
anyway, saves around the cathedral, if that anon even wants them.
i used duckstation on my phone.
https://files.catbox.moe/f9ylfg.mcd

>>531973224
only upgrade your gun when you see a multi hitting gun

does she know?

>>532000803

>>532005329
repulsive art for a repulsive character

Raidou 3 will NEVER HAPPEN after the disaster that has been Flopdou.

>insult r*ngo
>he shows up
rent free

>>532007301
Not everyone that hates on Raidou is your boyfriend.

>>532007165
After what Yamai said nobody wants a Raidou 3 set in Current Year

>>532007459
r*ngo is never gonna fuck you little bro

Kissies to Raido and Raido only

>>532007580
Good, I'd rather have Yumi instead

Ringobros, why are we such a laughing stock?

Raidousissies, why did they like our remaster?

>>531957627
Just be yourself and say you love her, worked for me.
"Lilim" is already the plural form.

>>532007523
I know he was probably just spitballing ideas off the cuff but I'd hate to think he was being serious

>>532007765
hehe raido cute

giwtwm

>>532012104
>I know he was probably just spitballing ideas off the cuff but I'd hate to think he was being serious
I got the impression he was 100% serious because a modern setting has more mass appeal than Taisho 1931.
It could be not shit but I don't trust them. Plus I love stories set in the early 21st century, it's part of why I got into Raidou, so for the love of FUCK just... just send Raidou to Paris or London or something if Taisho 193X Tokyo is so problematic now. We need more MegaTen set in the west anyway.

Raidou is gay.

Ringo is trans.

Asuka is epic.

I'm worried my pace is slow compared to other anons. But I think SMT 1 is a short game anyways.

>>532014460
You ever just think how the Hero and the Heroine faced against a giant naked guy who then was like "I am nuking Tokyo in the name of YHVH, bye"
Kinda scary if you think about it.

Also it reminds me how, for some reason, a lot of early Norse designs for SMT were naked guys in capes. I don't get it where this nakedness comes from, culturally, but at least it gave them a different visual than the usual Viking LARP outfits done everywhere (or worse, Mahvel).

>>531885186
Unironically yes, Megami Tensei 2 for example, Giten Megami Tensei, the books etc. Atlus was at the cutting edge of adult JRPGs, but now I feel like they are becoming more and more pussified.

SMT V had a lot of restraint, and zero gore, DQ feels more like edgy (though DQ always did also have a dark aspect) these days. Not like a game needs gore to be dark, but I feel SMT is edging towards pic-related

>>531820240 (OP)
Chaos hero fused with Kamikaze soldier, who is also human, its two humans fusing together to create a demon?

>>532015438
I feel like V had a shit story so it feels pussified. I might be misremembering but didn't Tao and Yoko have gore when they got killed the qadistu? I would say 4A started it but you have the whole kill your friends route, your 2 nobody hunters die, and Nanashi "dies"
>>532014893
I guess it's to have more fun desgins? Would be boring if Law was all clothed angels and gods with a few animals

SMT fans used to call persona gay and now we're just /smtgbt/

>>531917094
You don't care about story at all if you think Apocalypse is any good

im cooming
alice sex

Are downloading a ROM or buying a physical copy the only ways to play the PS1 version of SMT 1 nowadays? I'm fine playing eng or jp, just can't find it on any service.

>>532017764
Atlus hates their old games, so yes

Can any of the anons playing SMT 1 give me some tips? I'm stuck in Ginza getting killed by demon prostitutes and Purskis.

What's the consensus on SMTVV nowadays? I thought the story went from a 2 to a 3 but I was called frightful things when I said that shortly after release

>>532016008
V has plenty of gore and death. It's the schizo. The school is filled with blood, so is the train station. Multiple people are stabbed in the chest.

>GET TO IKEBUKURO
>everything costs skyrocket
oh my fucking god not again. these asshole demons give like 0 MACCA
is there really no other way then to keep telling these assholes to give me macca? then again I can just continue the story...

>>532019449
NTA but please stop lying. The only moments SMT V has gore is when Sahori stabs a few characters with Lahmu's tentacle or Lilith randomly stabbing Tao & Sahori. But even then there's no blood and organs since this game target audience is teenagers.

>>532018570
Fuse stronger demons and buy better equipment, that always helps.
If you can't recruit demons , raise your intelligence and luck. I think magic also helps with negotiations but I am unsure.

>>532021704
There has always been blood in the game. This is your last reply. Go spam Alice pics, I can filter those easily instead of seeing your brain dead lies.

SMT has gore but it's extremely tamed because of the Japanese rating system, here's an example, Japanese versions of resident evil censor extreme depictions of gore to the point Japanese fans sometimes buy the overseas versions, the Japanese rating system is also the reason mortal kombat is banned in Japan.

>>532022097
>There has always been blood in the game.
There's no blood. Anything that might resemble blood in the game is canonically magatsuhi, which Atlus uses to prevent SMT V from having a CERO D rating since every previous SMTs had CERO age rankings from A to C.

>>532019984
Humans enemies give more macca, if that helps.

>>532018570
Have you done sword fusion at all? You might be able to get a Hino by now, though I didn't bother until Ueno. I don't think you can buy a Salamander yet, so fuse the cheaper spirits to get it.

Also nerve bullets start to fall off around this point, but you can get charm bullets which will remain good into endgame at Ikebukuro.

If all else fails, don't be afraid to run or use estoma, if you really need the resources you can always grind later.

>>532019984
put on an album and grind at 2x speed :)

>>532024086
Adding to this post:
>SMT 1 CERO rating is B
>SMT 2 CERO rating is B
>SMT 3 CERO rating is B
>SMT IV CERO rating is C
>SMT IVA CERO rating is C
>SMT V CERO rating is C
>SMT V CERO rating is C
SMT has always been a franchise for children and teenagers, not adults despite tackling mature subjects from time to time

>>532025203
do nintendo consoles have Z rated games?

>>532024086
>>532025203
Is this why there's a shitty bullying subplot in the game?

>>532025203
I'm pretty sure nudity is literally the only reason it gets Ms in America, SMT is way too tame to warrant it for any other reason.

I'm sure the red stains all over the train station and school were looked at by the rating board as "oh this is just magatsuhi, not blood".
Stop replying to yourself, Avery. No one cares about this made up controversy but you.

>>532025545
It does. But they usually don't sell well since many stores in Japan refuse to have CERO Z rated games in their inventory or keep them behind the counter to prevent underage children from purchasing the game. It's why many companies in Japan tries to avoid that rating.

>>532026198
The conversation is about why SMT can't have Extreme depictions of gore dude, the train station scene is still tamed, people tuning into red particle effects when they die isn't extreme.

the heckin rated M for mature?????????

>>532025002
but how do I do this since i still have to manual talk blah blah fuck me in the asshole no GRR fuck you alright go attack me anyways hi my name is sal from impractical jokers, laugh laugh laugh oh youre mad again sighhhhh holy fuck just give me MONEY you bitch
>>532024747
where to grind human enemies?

ohh nyooo the blood splatter...

>>532026198
bringing up the esrb is pointless since western culture sees things differently and atlus west loves throwing in slurs and swears into the localization to make the games look "mature"

>>532018570
Recruit a Purski and use his Binding Cry extra skill, it literally carried me until Ikebukuro where I had to fuse him away because he was becoming too slow, inaccurate and fragile.
For the Purski encounter, I recommendjust talking to them since you'll have one in your party too, they even have a chance of gifting you a Vajra which you can sell for 3-4k macca.

people who are playing smt1 during our general play.

FUCK THE CATHEDRAL or FUCK YAMA? which did you pick

>>531926939
Megaten was a straight franchise before SMTIV.

>>532019984
>>532014460

Okay so as someone who has played smt on PS1 to completion and just enjoys that version of the game a lot, here's some advice since specifically the PS1 version if very poorly documented:

Basically the only stats that matter are agility, first and foremost, since you'll be missing your attacks constantly without it and vitality so your MC doesn't die.

The best strategy in SMT 1 and 2 are guns, they're so ridiculous when combined with status inducing bullets that it's not even funny, if you focus on agility, you always go first, your bullets always hit, and they're very likely to stun all of the enemy demons before they even get to attack, at which point you don't even need demons.

If you understand how to exploit this, SMT 1 is an absolute joke in terms of difficulty, I didn't die once during my playthrough.

It's also worth noting that you can steal from shops in SMT 1 and do so to earn infinite money, I've only seen this mentioned on one other place on the internet so I'll explain it quickly, when purchasing an item from a store, the shopkeeper will ask you how many you want, if you press down and circle at roughly the same time, it will say you're buying 0x of an item but it will still play the dialogue as if you're buying it for full price, you can then equip it straight away, but in reality you have paid 0 since the game thinks you bought none of that item.

You can immediately sell the item you stole to the shopkeeper for money to fund your trips to the healers.

Use this information how you will, I only ever fused or used demons as effectively punching bags during boss fights while i autobattled and occasionally had the heroine use a healing spell if necessary but to be honest I would have much rather had her just use a gun on her turns instead.

If you never summon demons, your magnetite will never be an issue and if you steal form shops the cost for summoning demons will never be an issue either.

>>532028804
>where to grind human enemies?
At that point in the game? Go back to Shinagawa.
>>532031035
Chose to kill Yama for the extra xp, then grinded money while grinding for chaos alignment points at the same time so I could go back to Neutral.

>>532031409
>that exploit
you know what
no i don't even consider it cheating since I'll be here for 3-4 hours talking to demons and it's not like my characters are getting stronger.

>>532031409
>it actually work
Thanks, I really don't enjoy mindless grinding for money while knowing that I already have everything else ready for Beelzebub.

>>532031409
Oh also the reason I say strength or power or whatever they call it in this game isn't really important is that guns have solid damage with no stat investment and until you start the sword fusion chain that gets you hinokagutsuchi swords aren't that good unless you're against enemies that resist guns, I'm gonna be honest I have no fucking clue how resistances and shit work in smt 1 all i noticed was that sometimes my gun did very little damage when my sword did more despite the number suggesting otherwise overall pretty easy game if you understand it mechanically and how to exploit it

also tip for inevitable for people who get softlocked in smt 1 when a party member dies and you're in constant debt like a fucking wagie because your minimum wage earnings from killing demons just about pay for your healing, so you cannot for the life of you afford to revive dead party members, buy embryonic essences or whatever they're called you find them in junk shops they're overwhelmingly cheaper than going to a healer and having them revive your dead party members

keep in mind there is, an albeit very small chance of it failing and sending your char from the dying to dead state which unironically costs 10x more cause the devs where smoking crack that day I guess, and can genuinely softlock you, so save before attempting to revive party members if you don't want that to happen to you and you don't want to use the infinite macca glitch I described earlier

with all that in mind smt 1 should be a cakewalk, the cathedral's difficulty is pretty much a meme especially on neutral you just need to know how to get to the heart of the cathedral and from there you can get to the basement and the upper cathedral which are the only ones that matter since thats how you get your ending.

>>532031925
you're welcome please spread the word of this exploit it pisses me off that nobody talks about this, I had to dig it up from a random speedrunners stream

>>532031409
I know exactly what place on the Internet told you about the shopkeeper trick and you're incredibly autistic for going there.

>>532033679
I enjoy playing old jrpgs on real hardware to the point where I've modded my PS1 and have a dedicated PC for burning fan translations onto discs so I can do so

you bet im fucking autistic

>>532031409
>If you never summon demons, your magnetite will never be an issue
I barely use them because of the MAG cost and I still run into issues because recruitement/negociations are expensive and I need to fuel my fusion autism...
I won't grind to lvl 99 though, grinding is a core and I've been doinbg mostly that.
I wish you posted that "trick" earlier.

>>532033903
There is basically no point in grinding anyway as I said, you can hit stat caps well before 99, I hit 999 health for MC before the end of my run on neutral route, and I didn't need to grind at all, in fact being under levelled means you gain more xp due to how xp is calculated

Combined with how zio along with status bullets can stun even bosses if you act first, and low level runs become pretty easy actually, especially with the best equipment and armor to ensure you dont die and enough healing items to keep you going

>>532034170
>Combined with how zio along with status bullets can stun even bosses
Yeah, I noticed that, most attack spells are useless outside of zio/bufu.
I also see that buffs were already broken since Tarukaja + Rakunda destroy all bosses and you only need to do normal attcks.

>>532032374
Also you can stunlock over half the bosses with Zionga, but that's probably been mentioned in on of the previous threads.

If someone doesn't want to use the exploit, something the main English guide doesn't mention is that a collector in Shinjuku will buy your yen at 1/10 ratio (which is basically 1/1 if you look at sale prices for the same items in 199X and 20XX). It can prevent you from getting softlocked in Shibuya.

>>532034724
Just be careful with tarukaja, with hinokagutsuchi and high strength you can genuinely go over the damage cap of 255 and overflow back to 1 I believe, I know for a fact that happens in the SNES version but I can't be certain it also happens on PS1.

Although if we're talking strategies in early SMT, yeah buffs are as strong as ever, most bosses by late game SMT 1 and SMT 2 can be autobattled assuming you've built the MC correctly, once everyone gets around to SMT 2 after this, I'd recommend once again, going just for a gun build and dumping points into agility and vitality again.

>>532031409
>easy infinite money glitch
Well, it's not like I didn't save scum big and low in MT2 and walk around with infinite money to buy all the equipment I wanted

>>532034989
>a collector in Shinjuku will buy your yen at 1/10 ratio
Ah yes, I actually found him by accident while exploring, he's in one of the (former) bar in Shinjuku.

>>532031409
>It's also worth noting that you can steal from shops in SMT 1 and do so to earn infinite money, I've only seen this mentioned on one other place on the internet so I'll explain it quickly, when purchasing an item from a store, the shopkeeper will ask you how many you want, if you press down and circle at roughly the same time, it will say you're buying 0x of an item but it will still play the dialogue as if you're buying it for full price, you can then equip it straight away, but in reality you have paid 0 since the game thinks you bought none of that item.
wtf this is incredible to know. I'm gonna limit myself to just buying a new gun with it probably but that's so nice to know

>>532035285
again its shocking how despite how old these games are and how many people have at least tried to play them, I'm once again stunned at how little information there is on basic stuff, the average person has to scrape old GameFAQs guides, wikis and youtube videos to find some of this information, either that, or learn moon runes

>>532034724
Does SMT1 have the buff overflow bug SMT2 does? I didn't actually buff much in 1 because it's so much more cheesable than 2.

>>532035579
I have seen the overflow bug happen with hinokagutsuchi in SMT 1 for the SFC, I cannot confirm if it's in PS1 though

Mildly unrelated but not really but is there anyone else here that watches Game Center CX regularly and is infinitely bugged by the fact they have never done a SMT episode? They've covered all the snes games on their through the decades recaps (even last bible) so the games are on their radar. How has it been 20 years and they still haven't played it? Is Atlus not giving them permission?

>>532036898
>is there anyone else here that watches Game Center CX regularly and is infinitely bugged by the fact they have never done a SMT episode?

I've always been surprised there hasn't been an SMT episode considering it's perfectly in the time period usually covered in GCCX.

>>532037107
I want to fuck mirai

>didn't fuse cerberus
>"meet him on the bridge"
>"oh i came to my senses, alright see you"
uhhhhhhhhh BRO WHERES MY FUCKING DOG DID THEY KILL MY FUCKING DOG WHERES MY FUCKING DOG AHHHHH

>>532038398
he's off to transition to a female human

>cerberus is attached to madam because she was kazuya's girlfriend
>madam's chains represent her chastity

SMT1 Hero (henceforth referred to as "Cave Cuck") died a virgin.

>>532037107
I know they've held off on certain games because it's been hell to apply for permission to show certain games. If that's the case with SMT, I don't know why.

how am I only now realizing that the map theme is the puzzle boy theme

>>532042083
you mean the theme that copied persona 5?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcWq3zR21K8

>>532042083
They ripped of the Law theme from Nocturne, too.

>Like many things introduced with VV to the gameplay and the new quests
>Absolutely hate the cast and plot

>>532043375
>Law theme
>from Nocturne
huh?

>>532043474
The plot and characters were the worst thing about V and they're still the worst thing about VV. Bravo Atlus.

>>532043720
That's the joke. The Puzzle Boy theme is an homage to Kichijoji, he worded it the other way around.

flopdu

Finally done with Raidou Remaster. Well, besides having to do Cycle 2 stuff, anyways. I really like the game despite some of the scuffs it has, it's overall pretty good. Really makes me wonder how long we have to wait for the sequel's remaster which is basically guaranteed at this point, but also I wonder how long it'll take for them to officially release the rest of the manga in English, or if they want to release the rest of it at all. Releasing it through emails in a PDF or whatever they're doing is just weird, man.

>>532047264
flopdo flopdo

>>532043474
Same issue with Apocalypse. Atlus has gotten a lot better at gameplay at the expense of writing and visuals.

>>532047264
Congrats!
I hope to finish it soon myself. I am interested in going for NG+ this time around.
What are the perks of NG+ in terms of registered demons? Do you get to keep your old ones?

Post your deepest darkest SMT confessions

>>532048697
I boughted V and VV full price and regret it.

>>532048697
I refuse to play the older games but still post about them as if I have. I just watched Marsh play them lol

>>532048697
I think Chaos Hero is husbando material, the most purest "I can fix him" I ever felt in my life

>>532048697
i’m a personafag that only played V, but still frequent this general and echo what people say about all the games i haven’t played.

>>532049394
But why? Like what do you get out of it?

>>532048697
I only played about 2 hours of SMT 2 then dropped it.

>>532048697
I had the most fun playing DeSu

>>532050334
idk. i think it’s just funny seeing people argue over things i have no clue i’m posting about. i like to watch the world burn like the joker.

Did the magatsuhi skill talismans not transfer over to new game+ in the original vanilla release
I just read that they didn't and they only changed it so they did in vengeance
That's hilarious
Do all those quests again every single run you little errand piggy

>>532051229
thank you for giving us an insight into your sick and twisted mind

>>532047264
Mermaid... ToT

>>532048629
You only keep your compendium, demon unlocks and your customers "levels" at Konnoya and Shin Sekai.
You also unlock the Detective Legend difficulty, which is ironically still easier and less tedious than the OG game on normal.

>>532051126
Every SMT game I've played without cheats... except for DeSu, I just took one look at all the shit with skill cracking and since my R4 already had cheats on.... I gave in and just taught my main character that one late game almighty skill and sped through it, something dance? I loved the story though amazing, one of my favourite in the SMT sphere, something about watching people actually react to the world ending is so much more engaging.

>>532033679
And where would that be?

>>532014460
don't worry about it. just have fun

>>532015981
yep. trust his plan.
my chaos hero fused with a nekomata

>>532017764
they used to be on psn back in the ps3 days but i'm pretty sure it shut down.

>>532018570
for tougher encounters i'd usually set a demon to use tarukaja and have my people use multi hitting guns with nerve/charm/stun bullets, depending on the point in the game. plus any demons to use multi hitting skills if i had them.
and i'd just autobattle unless someone needed healed.

>>532028804
i would usually do:
>[threaten]
>[say my name] when available
>[have them join] or [give money[
if saying my name didn't tend to work on that particular demon i'd try "being friendly" instead.

>>532031035
i was already chaos aligned at that point so yama was fine with me. i shifted to neutral later on though.

>>532053057
I really only outed myself, because the glitch only mentioned on TVTropes was actually that the PS1 version lets you equip bullets as armor, which makes you invincible.

>>532048697
I'm not actually aroused by any of the female demons.

>>532048697
I love the alignment autism, and so long the cast isn't IVA, I get the same vibes as the anons gushing about the Law/Chaos Hero about other alignment reps, Yamato, Dahn, Isabeau, Jonathan/Walter, etc. I never fell into the raw edgelord "mwahaha I kill my friends" hole (IVA wasn't my first game thankfully), instead see it as a stand-off as two dreams for a better tomorrow must clash. The /smtg/ plays posts have gotten me interested in looking at SMT1/2 (probably VX because I'm curious what's involved in a Lilith route, and for SMT2 I'm curious how hard a game can jerk my alignment off). Kind of waiting to pass a bit of a slump though, gameplay sounds rough (does int/Magic reduce MAG costs for demons at least? Also grinding in main story progression sounds pain, though maybe not an issue as I tend to explore a lot, I met Lilith at level 61 if wanting VV as a reference), and laziness as I don't have the emulators for it while eying another old RPG (Daggerfall). Also have an issue of going really hard into SMT and I'm trying to not burnout again. Guess how many times I completed SMTVV in a month and which two games I only completed once. Played most PS2/3DS games alongside SMTV and VV, no Persona.

you can duplicate items in if... by making use of a glitch that involves filing your inventory with stacks of 99 bullets.
you can overpower your character this way with incenses. you can even duplicate the hi no kagutsuchi.

and you can manipulate the rng to give you a good guardian, you can use this to get the special full moon guardians.
but it does involve knowing what seed your game generated and how certain actions affect it.

>>532056849
what about male demons?

That was fun! It was my first time playing SMT1.
it kinda dwindles right near the end huh. I didn't really explore the cathedral but what's with it having so much empty space? Is it more on the other routes?

>>532058125
The qualifier in this instance was "demon", not "female".

>>532058272

>>532057721
vx does sound interesting to me too.
but i might check out the sega cd or pc engine version next for the different art direction which seems interesting.
pc engine is apparently where the demonic form of pascal comes from if you don't fuse him into a cerberus and it has animated cutscenes apparently.

glad this play event has ignited at least a little interest in some of these games.

i feel about feeling sad about losing any of the alignment reps.
i really do get sad like every time.

and for playing the old games, i don't think anyone would judge you if you make use of glitches/exploits to make them easier/quicker.
they are rough.
but do take your time getting through your slump.

>>532058272
The layout doesn't change, and you still have to reach the top and bottom on all routes, you just don't fight half the bosses on Law or Chaos. There's more of an incentive to explore though because the alignment-locked weapons are good.

>>532058947
I tried exploring a little bit near the encampments but I couldn't find anything. Is it just dead space? I was hoping for some neutral exclusive demons when Law and Chaos get stuff but I didn't get shit! that's disappointing. Wonder if there's anything else I missed.

>>532059224
you can get masakado's armor somehow but i never bothered with it.
once i get to the end i tend to just rush it.

Does SMT2 have any cheese? Macca grinding is stupid!

>>532059224
That's the Beelzebub boss fight but you have to unlock it by triggering the dialogue with Louis Cypher before the Chaos Hero fight.
The Masakado katana is on another island and his pieces of armor are where the 4 Devas were.

I get it's probably build up for SMT 2 but what the fuck is Lucifer's problem in SMT 1 lmao he doesn't do fucking shit except "NUH UH YOU CANT BEAT ASURA WITHOUT THIS SUPER SPECIAL ITEM (trap)" then peaces out. the fuck?

>>532048697
I don't like dungeons, I like SMT in spite of them.

>>532059949
oh already got those but I was expecting there was going to be some other side quests

>>532060024
he's pretty much a behind the scenes guy fighting for a world of chaos.
he has more scenes in the gba with the visionary items.

>>532060257
I thought he's more of a 'wants best for humanity' type guy and when I'm over here fighting for humanity he's just like "fuck you bitch". Eh maybe I'm just used to later renditions of him

>>532058445
answer my question

>>532057721
SMT2 isn't actually super pro-chaos, the translator was. In truth it probably has the most balanced alignments of any SMT game. None of the options are perfect but picking any of them is still reasonable.

PC Engine version looks pretty cool. Does anyone know if there's a subbed version of the cutscenes?

>>532059387
You can kind of cheese YHVH with Necroma.
Holy Wrath is also really good on any aligned boss.
In general a lot of the cheese from SMT1 got fixed but guns are still OP for most random encounters.

>>532060556
he's always been a chaos guy.
smt 3 maniax might make him seem more pro humanity since he wanted to stop the unending cycles.
what's kinda interesting in that regard is how humans used to live along demons and those demons were the old gods before they were kicked out of the hierarchy and branded demons instead by the law god.
so him being more pro humanity makes sense. since he's fighting for chaos, he's fighting for the old ways back.

in smt 1 if you watch the visionary scenes it's explained more how he was working with lilith.
he's the one who told her to join chaos hero since the mc wasn't falling for her charms.
she reluctantly goes along with it. and chaos hero actuality does fall for her charms.

and i actually find it kinda odd how she's supposed to be trying to get the mc on the side of chaos but she doesn't do anything ingame that actually shows it.
you see her from time to time but it doesn't seem like she's trying to charm you.

SMT1 is pretty raw, are there any other JRPGs or other media that's under my radar that has that grounded devilman like take? It's so hard to describe but it feels melancholic if that's the feeling. Even the neutral ending is a hollow victory considering Tokyo got nuked twice.

>>532061483
i looked more into it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qAhvhXE0udM&pp=ygUj55yf5aWz56We6Lui55SfIHBjIGVuZ2luZSBjdXRzY2VuZXM%3D

it seems more like still images being panned over.
i didn't watch them all but there wasn't any dialogue during these sequences.
there is actually some voiced dialogue for some parts like the dream sequence where you name your characters

>>532062273
I'm an idiot I meant the Mega CD version, although this is also pretty cool.

Why do Demi-fiend and Metatron do the nazi salute in their animations in Nocturne? Is Atlus fascism?

Is SMT IF really that ASS cheeks to play? What's so bad about it?

>>532061649
Maybe it's just scripturally-accurate for Lilith to be a tsundere.

>Watching SMT1 visionary stuff
>LAW FAG HELP ME
what the fuck i wasn't expecting this from this guy.

>>532063223
Only the world of Sloth because it's a braindead grind. The rest is very fun if you like first person dungeon crawlers.

I wonder how Law Hero would convert to LAW if he didn't die and resurrect lobotomized. It's a little unfair because Chaos Hero was born with his conviction of wanting to be strong. Law was just forced into it. Man who'd even pick Law in SMT1? Law is the reason most of the shit happens.

>>532062458
oh sorry. no, it's okay.
i couldn't find them subbed but here's a quick link for anyone interested.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qtkINeeGilY&pp=ygUh55yf5aWz56We6Lui55SfIHNlZ2EgY2QgY3V0c2NlbmVz

>>532063223
it's mainly world of sloth which is easy to get through on an emulator.
it also has the usual teleport maze bs.

>>532063982
What's so bad about it? iirc you have to wait for moon cycles and on an emulator, isn't it not that bad?

>>532063295
she does also say something about how she couldn't go through with messing with the mc so maybe that is why.

>>532064074
some guy put some translations below. it is kinda neat how depending on your alignment you get different MC reaction to the flood.

>>532063987
the pc engine scene showing him being lobotomized is kinda disturbing too. holy shit.
i mean it's simple graphically. but still.

>>532063987
>who'd even pick Law in SMT1?
Law in SMT1 still has virtuous aspects, such as caring for others and wanting to protect those you love and those who are weaker than you. It also champions cooperation, teamwork, diplomacy and peace.
I would say that, despite YHVH and his jewish tricks, Law in SMT1 is still painted with more nuance than later games that just make it about being a lobotomized religious extremist instead of being something akin of a Paladin.

>rebalanced SMT VX
alright, i don't even know the background of this and this is so fucking niche lol. I mean I guess worse comes to worse if it really pisses me off, extract, change MCs damage to like 99999999 and recompile

>>532064836
Meh that's just neutral. Law is all honkey dorey until YHVH steps on a lego block and THEN nukes the world again.

>>532064137
Yea it's not that bad it's just long and tedious even with Unicorn and speed up on emulator. It's simply a bore to go through more than actually hard, especially if you wanna read all of the NPCs' dialogues (and you don't wanna miss out on the guy who curses and you hear the game go BEEP!)

>>532064868
have fun, anon!
please post about your progress.

>>532065007
>Meh that's just neutral.
Nah in SMT 1 that's not the case.
Neutral still has more freedom of choice over Law and it's far less duty-bound. In SMT1, Neutral is a genuine balance between Chaos and Law instead of being its own weird fence sitting thing, so it can have both the qualities and flaws of the two alignments.

>>532063987
the gba goes into it more by showing law hero reading the bible and talking about helping people.
he wanted to be someone who helps people like the messiah.
both partners were essentially radicalized by having their deepest desires dangled in front of them.

>>532058671
>I get sad about losing the alignment reps
To me I see a happy and sad part of it, usually the reps are separating because they're finding their own reason to see this Hell through and try not to have it repeat again. When dealing with such high stakes, it's bound that wishes will clash (Musubi and Tao CoV multiverse notwithstanding), either one must be sacrificed or both be compromised for a potential third path. In SMT I see it as expected but also to be respected, my blade doesn't swing in hatred (1), can hate the vision but not the person.
>1
Nozomi (IVA) as my one exception, fuck her every hole with cacti for all eternity. The one great scene in IVA is how you can show humanity while in Anarchy route during the egg fight, was oddly touching despite "mixed bag" being the most positive reception to some characters (especially Toki/Gaston's lines).
>Glitches
Main issue is that for SMT I like the demons and want to focus on making them work (even when I am phys build). Though my exploration angle might alleviate this as the high encounter sounds like a way for me to snowball the stockpile/over-leveling (surely won't bring problems). But the oldest RPG I've played is FF7 so who knows. Just don't wanna cheese by being a CoD protag without cool gu.. Maybe spare some Dex for the Spas-12. Still, I wanna let demon autism flow (I am intimately familiar with the Nocturne menu shuffle).
>slump
Thanks, mostly a fucked sleep schedule/summer heat wave I think being the culprit. Though playing VV 3.8 runs in a month might have something to do with it too (kind of got my mod working but the jank is really turning me off from going further).

>>532060556
My take is that Lucifer is a "wants best for humanity", just generally his perspective is that unfettered freedom + demon coexistence is what he thinks is best for all.

>>532060668
Got that from what about it here, think it was Aeon Genesis that jerks Chaos off? I'm just curious how far it goes.

>>532064836
retard, YHVH and His kingdom represent the ultimate goal of Law, it's not some accident that it turns out that way. they talk nice at first and of course many individuals have good intentions, but when they actually get in control it'll always turn out that way. there's a reason there's never good Law endings
this applies to a lesser extent to Chaos too of course, they just don't hide it as much up front.

>>532065756
>Nozomi snitches on you to the hunter's association
what the fuck? this is the one time im kinda like what the fuck during an SMT game. you're downright lucky that they didn't shotgun your head off as soon as you walked into their den. why in the ever loving FUCK would she snitch on you. there's like NO fucking reason to do it AT that instance either.
ngl Isabeau too was kinda a bitch, I remember being friendly to her but she does tend to look at you with a snide eye to her. If you were a dick though she's outright like "Yeah when I first saw you, I never liked you." is hilarious. Asahi is the only good girl but she needs more screentime.

>>532065756
if you're higher leveled than the demons you encounter you can alleviate the encounter rate with estoma.
it's pretty much mandatory to use estoma if you don't want backtracking to be a pain.

i like hearing your thoughts on the alignment reps.
i do still respect them too even if i might disagree with them and even hate how they changed.
they were still my friends.

>>532065756
iirc aeon added dialogue about lucifer being against yhvh because he wanted to commit genocide.

>>532066110
i always took law as being the route that recreates heaven.
it fits that it's a western take on the afterlife too.
but only the select chosen are allowed in heaven, those who give themselves fully to the law god.
but it is a paradise for those who do so.

>>532066110
In case it wasn't clear (and it seems it isn't since you jumped the gun and called me a retard), I wasn't talking about Law as a whole or its ultimate goal of building the Thousand Years Kingdom for YHVH's ego, I simply singled out its positive qualities to explain why would someone in-universe pick it as an alignment in SMT1.

>>532062131
old fallout games maybe?
i only played nu fallout games though.
i think the illusion of gaia and terranigma feel melancholy too.

>>532067496
I called you a retard because of the "despite YHVH" part, as if He's the cause of Law's problems rather than the result. the good aspects it looks to have are no different than Zayin in 2 seeming like a good virtuous guy then going full retard when he gets the power to actually do something as Satan. there is no good or nuanced version of Law, the fact that it always ends poorly regardless of how virtuous some of its adherents are (or pretend to be) should make that clear.

>>532066110
Then why do you kill YHVH in SMT2? Rejecting an unjust Law is perfectly Lawful.

>>531873215
>Flopdu is what it's generally being called here these days
i dont know why people who try to push narratives come up with these dogshit portmanteaus. no-one's calling it fucking "Flopdu".

>>532066764
That's Zayin, not Lucifer (which is a weird line because technically it was Zayin who committed genocide on the orders of YHVH) , but yeah also making Lucifer seem like an altruistic guy, opposing YHVH on the grounds that he's oppressive despite his goal being equally oppressive.

>>532068271
I mean, the Law ending of SMT I itself isn't particularly bad. The main problem there is sticking with Law after the Law aligned Thor nuked Japan.

>>532068851
yeah not so terrible if you didn't get nuked or drowned I guess...

Anything more in line like SMT IVA? I actually love this game and it would've been PEAK if it had better writing. I do like the shifts between the serious SMT writing and then goofy ass friendship but I wish it wasn't as schizophrenic sometimes. IVA cast shouldn't be that big imo....

>>532068701
alright, sorry.

>>532068851
it does seem like the law characters are the ones always starting things.
but it's mentioned they did so because japan was using demons.
it's a very lawfag thing to kill off any number of people if they threaten they current order of things. like they did with the flood too.

you get a taste of what all the alignments bring when you explore tokyo too.
in a chaos world, people like ozawa would be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they have the power to do so.
that does make chaos hero becoming a chaos extremist kinda odd and ironic to me.

>>532069408
probably the closest is nusona or devil survivor.

>SMT2 doesn't have any other english patch except for AG.
What time does the SMT1 general playthrough end? I don't want to force anything but maybe we should start having directed questions during checkpoints in the game to bring up some discussion points. Maybe something like a set of 3 topics every general or day or something.

>>532069408
Closest thing is probably Devil Survivor, I guess? In the sense that it's story focused with a plotline close to mainline SMT. Although the gameplay is fairly different since it's a SRPG.

>>532069842
>>532069825
Considering that DeSu2 is one of my favorite SMT games too, I'm definitely putting that on the replay backlog. How tf do people even hate DeSu2?

>>532069838
i was gonna put up a poll asking how long the event should last after the current one about how voting should work ends.
no one's even voting on that one though which leads me to believe it doesn't matter much to anons here one way or another.
or i worded it weirdly.

likely it'll be 2-3 weeks for the smt 1 event though.

i was doing a poll of the day but they didn't get much traction.
i have a general question about the characters in the anchor post too.
but i can try doing more if you want.

>>532070203
I appreciate you hosting! I wouldn't have played SMT1 without something forcing me too. I don't really understand the poll tbqh which is why I didn't answer it haha. We should get an official end date and try to continue from there.

>>532031409
>when purchasing an item from a store, the shopkeeper will ask you how many you want, if you press down and circle at roughly the same time, it will say you're buying 0x of an item but it will still play the dialogue as if you're buying it for full price, you can then equip it straight away
So this only works on equipment, right? And you can only use this trick on items you can afford I assume? Otherwise you're told you don't have enough and are kicked out of the screen.

>>532070374
i see. sorry.
i did word it oddly then.
glad you're enjoying the event!

for ranked voting:
>https://strawpoll.com/PbZqbLlXByN
here's an example.
it would allow for greater compromising i think since people get to rank each game based on how much they want to play them.
i used an all or nothing, "pick 1 game that you want to play for your 1 vote" system for the first vote that decided on what game we play.

>>532070885
I guess. I don't see the difference. We're going to play number 1 anyways! I'd rather we don't see who votes since it'll have that bias.

>>532068284
It's just one guy trying to pretend to be several people trying to make the game look like it sucks. Most of us are aware of this and ignore him accordingly.

>>532066187
Honestly, that's not even what got me to have Nozomi as the one vidya character I loathe, though looking the scene back it might just be personal autism. I took her lines before you entered the reactor room where she looks at the pile of bodies as spitting on the soul of SMT to me. "War does nothing" as if she wasn't waist deep in blood before that point. As if every human, angel, and demon weren't there for the same fucking reason she was, a better tomorrow. On my first playthrough, it broke me and I took up on Lucifer's offer before reloading and finishing the bonds route out of jaded cynicism to get it over with. I also wasn't accepting the controlled opposition angle IVA tries to go for with Lucifer. I get the idea, still think its ew. Happy I have bad habits and did a 2nd playthrough to see pay more attention to Dagda. While playing I recall kind of running with the scene, not really questioning the call-out (probably on the idea of "better to rip the band-aid off now?").
>Only good girl
Couldn't really remember anything of Isabeau in IVA while Asahi was apathy and comedy. Was hilarious Mr.Wastes Press Turns is talking about dead weight while Asahi's breaking the early/mid game asunder with infinite healing. And that instead of a dog treat she could use a dictionary. What do you mean Hallelujah, who can summon demons, can't hurt us? You think he doesn't have a stock? Do you know what a spy is? Toki was my favorite of the humans, low bar and alignment-bias, but I found her having the most lines that made me smile and I'm sympathetic to her clingy nature.

>>532066764
>because he wanted to commit genocide
So the translators just had YHVH be in character? insert bad laugh track

>Playing through SMT2 after SMT1 PS1
this was a mistake, holy hell this is so jank. the turning animation is making me a little sick what the fuck

>>532070885
probably would be good to do ranked voting desu, it gives more of a chance to the less popular games

>>532071881
i was going to make it so you can only see votes after you vote.
or make it so you can't see votes until the poll ends.
i was also curious about what people here would prefer.

yes, we will play the game voted on most.
but with ranked voting, the game most commonly ranked high will win.
you might put the winning game at the bottom or middle in your preferences but if a lot of other people rank it highly it will win.

or you might pick a game no one is really voting on as your top choice but since you can rank the games based on the order of what you want to play most your entire preference for each game is taken into account.
it's like instead of only being able to pick your number 1 game you can say what your exact preference for each listed game is.
so a game that commonly comes in second or third could technically win if it ranks consistently higher than other game.

with the first voting system it was more all or nothing.
you only got to say what game you wanted to play most.

>>532072406
>So the translators just had YHVH be in character?
No, they added a line about Satan turning against YHVH because God committed the sin of genocide (referencing the killing of everyone who isn't in the arc at the end).

Which is really bizarre in the context of SMT2 since Satan himself performed the act and Aleph just stood around without doing anything to stop it.

Although I guess without that line Satan's reasons for turning against YHVH and that final battle happening at all become really vague which is probably why they made it up.

yes yes smt2 has a botched translation i dont see anyone else HERE translating smt2.

Raidou sucks.

>>532072987
actually that works better, I'm all for that. anyone disagree?

>>532072406
my first post about smt 2 was wrong.
i switched up the characters. the other anon has it right.
sorry.

>>532068271
When did I say there is a good version of Law though? All I am saying is that in SMT1 (and SMT 1 only) there are positive aspects in its philosophy and that the game presents Law's people with more nuance than in later games like IV. Partly this is also due to Tokyo 20XX being a shit world where people do what they can to survive: notice how most kid NPCs in it are Law aligned; where can the weak turn to if not to Law? It makes perfect sense that they'd pick the faction that promises them protection and a community they can rely on; it also helps that most Law NPCs in SMT1 act like normal simpletons instead of religious zealots.
I also think that Chaos is too shown with more nuance in SMT1 than in later games, actually putting emphasis on its positive aspects like learning to live by yourself instead of depending on others but without completely rejecting those you love (like Chaos Hero helping the protagonist escape from jail).

Frankly, the writers beat you on the head over and over about how the alignments have both good and bad sides to them *as philosophies* and that one must strive to find balance in life instead of becoming a radicalized in one way or another, otherwise they wouldn't have made the game like it is.

My point was never about Law nuking Tokyo or Law making SMT2 exist. My intention was to point out how SMT1 shows that Law as a philosophy can have positive qualities and said qualities are the reason why in-game NPCs choose it; the faction itself is also written with far more nuance than shit like Merkabah.

>>532073904
I think the overall scenario of law IV isn't too bad, the actual problem is Markabah being basically written like a parody.

Same thing happens with law in base V although to an even greater extent I feel like. The ending has less negative points than ever for a law ending, but they couldn't help but portray Dazai post-development as super evil in spite of his actual actions being in line with the other alignment representatives in V.

Then he's actually villainous in Vengeance alongside Abdiel. Although technically you do have one throw away line suggesting they might have been brainwashed by Mastema. Either way, now you have the super good law ending with Tao.

>>531959389
Hell is naturally hellish.
Cheap enemies abound and I might as well just fucking reset if I encounter a dullahan or succubus and don't escape first turn because lol level drain which I now then and forever forever consider a dog shit artificial time wasting mechanic that drags down any game that uses it.
I stumble upon various orbs of power as I explore hell, and kill Asmodeus after another brutal boss fight that took multiple attempts.
Making it to the next plane of hell we come across Belial who gets he ass kicked with incredible ease, especially compared to the previous two fights. He was rendered completely powerless despite his heal spam simply by overwhelming application of Unga followed by Bunga.
Our next step is to loot the shit out of the now lordless castle and see what we can find before moving on.

>>532073904
I can agree about it getting flanderized to be 90% raving zealots later on with mostly only primary characters having any nuance, but that I see as a flaw of worldbuilding rather than something about Law as a philosophy, and if it's even a flaw I'm not sure since getting people to be like that would be useful for its purposes. the meek being pulled in by it could easily be read as sinister and taking advantage of their misfortune as well as how you see it, similarly to how people disagree on the social value of the early Catholic church or modern Christians.

either way, YHVH's actions are the ultimate realization of Law's eventual ideals. it's the mask dropping, not a case of it going too far because of some bad actor. it makes little sense to me to separate the good aspects of Law from the bad when talking about it as a philosophy, because the cooperation is backed with the expectation that you will be eradicated if you disobey and the diplomacy is backed by nukes. it feels to me like saying a serial killer being a gentle loving father to his kids kind of balances his life out.

Yuzu probably smelled awful

What happened to SMT1 Heroine? Is she Madam?

I see her everywhere...

>>532079025
i thought she reincarnated as beth

>>532080882
no that's hijiri

>>532079025
No, but they both fucked the same guy. People say she reincarnated as Beth but I've never seen a source for that.

>>531820784
https://strawpoll.com/XmZRQvqN6gd

this is also a test for ranked voting.
if you heavily disagree with ranked voting being used, let me know.

>>532076490
there is a game where being level drained can be useful but i don't wanna go off topic

>>532081775
i meant 11:59 pm for the end dates. sorry.
basically, the event would end right before the next day starts. in est time as well.

>>532084218
>est time

>>532090362
???

>Gotou such a moron, he's pissing his time away looking for the heroine by abducting girls at random with the same name which couldn't be more retarded
>american and japanese soldiers are just pissing their time away in bar right next to each other when they're supposed to be fighting
>everyone just being killed indiscriminately by demons while said soldiers drink at the bar
>people either sitting around like nothing is happening or complaining they can't go home while demons are just killing people around them
>Thorman and the soldiers claiming they are trying to stop the demons, yet the soldiers don't even do anything
>apparently they are at a stalemate just pissing their time away some more at a check point
>this is supposed to be some kind of a revolution lead by Gotou I'm supposed to take seriously

I know I get yelled at saying it, but the beginning of this game is just such a tonal mess. Everyone is just so fucking stupid and I can't take any of them seriously. Replaying it years later hasn't changed my mind.

>>532093548
i don't think there's anything wrong with there being rest areas like bars for the off duty soldiers but it IS weird for them to be next to each other since they're opposing factions.

gotou's revolution was serious enough to garner retaliation via nukes.
and demons have overrun tokyo which was implied to be gotou's doing.

>>532095689
It was serious purely because of the demons all over the place. He did really nothing else. He was barely doing much of anything on his own. No one could stop him because of man power and firepower. And everyone was apparently too stupid to download the summoning program besides you.

>>532096396
>And everyone was apparently too stupid to download the summoning program besides you.
anyone got that image of the smt 1 protag's computer filled with a bunch of adware because he downloads anything and everything?

>He did really nothing else. He was barely doing much of anything on his own. No one could stop him because of man power and firepower.
i was under the impression he was issuing orders to his men and demons to do his bidding.
i don't personally think there's anything wrong with that from a story standpoint.

>>532096975
He told his men to sit around at check points and several just sat at a bar. You'd think maybe that meant he was relying on demons entirely and didn't care what his men were doing but his heroine hunt kind of proves how stupid he was. She was only found because Yuriko was watching the MC's movements and when he walked into the same room she was in she just showed up and grabbed her. An utter waste of resources treated like a massive road block to his plans when it really wasn't because the MC was bound to meet the heroine eventually.

>>531820240 (OP)
Why does everyone look like they have a mustache?

Raidou is homosexual.

>>532098423
which Raidou

>>532090362
>>532093338

>>532100101
not this dream again...

>>532100101

bros, is it gay to fuck your self from another dimension? or is it just onanism?

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/82908728
best megaten hentai doujin

>>532048697
I feel a huge wave of sadness every time I see art of Hikawa or Yuko.

>>532063987
>Chaos Hero was born with his conviction of wanting to be strong
Nope, he likes freedom but quickly understand that strength is necessary for it.
His desire for freedom then warp into a desire for power and nothing else, by the time he join Yama, he doesn't even remember why he wanted to become strong, he just want to become stronger for the sake of it.

>>532096396
>And everyone was apparently too stupid to download the summoning program besides you.
Anon, you're setting up yourself to download dolphin porn.
>>532096975
>anyone got that image of the smt 1 protag's computer filled with a bunch of adware because he downloads anything and everything?
I don't have it but even in-game, Steven acknowledge that people may think it is a scam, pic related.

>>532063223
Just read about it and play vicariously

flopdou

>>532103519
>mara x arioch
holy based

>>532107065
something kinda funny is that in the gba visionary scenes, you can see him denounce working for someone else because he values freedom and then agreeing to it for the sake of power in the same scene.
yama promises him more power in the form of troops and in return he has to agree to take on orders from yama.
freedom and power do seem to be at odds with each other. working with others clearly gives someone more power. but also less freedom
and you really can see how chaos hero changes when he starts to value power itself over anything else, especially in that scene.
he agrees to a deal that gives him less freedom in exchange for power.

and i do also think he does genuinely enjoy companionship even though he essentially tries to denounce it when he leaves the mc and law hero and travel by himself.
he gives into lilith's charms and gets manipulated by her too and i think it's because he could never truly commit to the lifestyle of complete freedom he wanted.
because deep down, he still had that human part of him that desired a social connection of some kind. and for that particular instance, it was female connection he wanted.

>>532107439
i know there's someone ingame who says they deleted it too because they thought it was a scam

>>532108949
does p5x really have an if... reference?
i downloaded it a while ago and did the opening where the mc dreams about joker or something but then i heard they were being greedy with the worldwide release.
i didn't play after hearing about that.

>>532097330
>>532093548
To be fair Gotou is based on Yukio Mishima who genuinely was that stupid.

>>532063295
Lilith isn't in the Bible

>>532058445
>dodged the question

>>532048697
Persona 1 is the best Persona game. The rot began with 2.

>>532048697
i like nusona games and metaphor.

>Kaya’s haircut
someone at atlus has a pixie cut or bob style fetish

>>532112943
It's most definitely Doi.

>>532100696

>Gozu-Tennoh's musical theme is titled "Masura" (マスラ) in the Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne Original Soundtrack. It follows the naming scheme of the rest of Reasons which suggests that it would be Gozu-Tennoh's Reason of creation, should he not be crushed by Hikawa and forced to relinquish his strength unto Chiaki who has already conceived her own Reason. Nonetheless the term "Masura" never appears in the actual game script.
>"Masura" (益荒) is an archaic term for "strength," "bravery," and "masculinity."
https://youtu.be/EsLHFWLcDxA?si=m6Gub8LL1sVCuf2A
I just think it's neat :)

most art of chaos hero has him carrying his sword in a way that makes it more convenient to unsheath it with his left hand.
left handedness had a stigma attached to it for samurai because it meant they could be sneaky and get around certain etiquette in place meant to instill peacefulness at certain times.
basically, samurai would rest their sword at the right side to make it harder to unsheath it which meant the other person/people wouldn't have to worry about them suddenly attacking them.
but being left handed throws that rule out the window.

but there is an exception to chaos hero's art in that regard and it's his ps1 demon form render.
which means being left handed might not have been important to his design or perhaps never even considered.
but i still find it fitting since chaos hero wanted freedom and if he was left handed it gives him another reason to want that since it goes against the norm of what was accepted.
it's such a small thing but it does make his design feel more unruly.

>>532096975
There's no way he doesn't have Bonzibuddy on his arm terminal.

>>532120680
or he is right handed and he's carrying his sword that way to show he won't attack but that only really makes sense when he approaches the mc to talk to him.
it doesn't make sense for his battle sprite to show him carrying his sword that way if he's right handed.

>>532111482
I thought religious texts like the Talmud were still considered "scripture". I stand corrected.

>>532112943
>someone at atlus has good taste

i can always appreciate when the gameplay reflects the story or characters' personalities.
things like law hero learning healing skills because he wants to help others:
cool.
chaos hero learning estoma because it keeps those weaker than him away:
cool.

but why tf does chaos hero have a charm skill when you fight him as a boss?
did he hang around lilith too much?
did he inherit it from fusing with a sexy cat lady?
or is it meant to be some kind of persuasion skill he picked up after going chaos and just generally hanging around people/demons that try use dark persuasion to get others on their side?

>>532120763
steven probably uninstalled it for him though : )

>>532122449
Makes sense. Clearly he used it on this thread.

>>532122980
we're a chaosfag general

>>532080882
>>532081637
doesn't it make more sense if she's madam? i mean she has his cerberus and she would around the same age

>>532123127
>tfw Dark Lawfag

Does SMT SFC give anyone else motion sickness? My body fucking sucks.

I'll post it when I get home from wageslaving in like 20 minutes but "Beth is the reincarnated SMT1 heroine" is straight from the horses mouth in a passage in kaneko works, it's not a random claim. He says that's why the heroes statue in the colliseum begins to cry after her death
I do think it probably would have made more sense for madam's role to have been taken by the original heroine though

>>532126745
.....but why the fuck is she a whore then? like what the fuck she fucks SMT1 hero AND then moves to SMT2 hero????? what the harry potter

People told me I look like him.

best rom for SMT2? There's like four different fixes... Is the one that auto spawns the fiends the best one?

>>532124591
good thing you're not a dark lawCHAD

>>532127246
pics or gtfo

>>532127437
orden's patch i think. i don't know anything about the fiend one.

>>532126419
smt 1? play the ps1 port then.

>>532127246
People tell me I look like legion

>>532127783
SMT2

>>532127893
unironically use mtl on the ps1 port then.
the snes translation is already botched.

This is specifically from kaneko works III, for anybody who feels like verifying the information themselves.

>>532128087
that's nice and all

why the fuck is she a hoe

>>532128180
why is hiroko?

>>532128307
chill out man that's yo mom

>>532128180
>>532128386
jack frost...

Law Heroines have the biggest body counts, FACT!!

>>532128504
amanefag...

>>532127246
his demon form is where it's at

>>532127571
Might delete later...

>>532128895
It's pretty cool that's the kind of design it would be nice to have in SMT V instead of Nahobino

It's so hard to rank Atlus games. There's so many enhanced ports and it's not like they change anything THAT much but it's kinda like "oh I like this more from OG and this more from the enhanced port" and it's just like is it really fair to put one way above the other because it plays better? I mean it essentially is the same game kinda. I mean do you just put the enhanced port/remake and leave the original? What if you only played one or the other and can't compare. THIS SHIT IS SO CONFUSING

>>531820240 (OP)
i look just like this

As a Chaos Hero enjoyer I am glad that posters itt can see his appeal as a character.

Funny factoid: his spiky hair in his half-demon form is apparently inspired by Goky's SSJ hair.

Is it just me or does the MT2 world seem kinda "Mad Max"-esque?

>>532129756
chud face.

>>532129126
<--- I look just like this

>>532129778
I have that impression too. Funny thing is, I got to know SMT because I searched for post-apocalyptic RPGs since I wanted more games like Fallout 1 and 2. Playing MT2 was such and enjoyable experience then.

>>532129778
That is the whole appeal. It's great.

>>532129943
Hey, Tony How's it going?

>>532130117
Ha ha, I am a smuggler from the sicilian mafia! By the way what is a sicilian mafia?

>>532129114
nah, i just rank it as one game but i'll say what version i think is best or something.
but with things like smt 1, there are so many ports all with unique content...

>>532129756
it's only natural, this is a chaosfag general.
plus we love dorks here. just look at the all the dazai posting we used to have.

>>532093548
I think the soldiers are supposed to be doing some fighting, you just don't see it because the game's presentation limits what it can show. Like you see some soldiers holding blockades and presumably demons would be attacking those at least.

Although, yeah, the bar stuff is odd.

>>532130683
>full power Isabeau
Kek

>>532130683
I wanna make a new chart sometime, anyone has a funny character sugestion?

>>532131317
Antônio.

>>532129756
and how did you come to appreciate chaos hero?

>>532131317
put the minotaur above walter in the power ranking

/smtg/ chaos
/pg/ neutral
/eog/ law
/meta/ the white

>>532130664
like the thing is look at Catherine and P3. Catherine is much worse pacing for the re-release and P3 FES/P3P/P3R are significantly different than each other.

>>532131804
never played catherine.
best for p3 is fes with party control

I still don't understand why Nocturne Lucy killed V's The Creator god. Was he just hopping from universe to universe, killing random Lawful incarnations of The Great Will?

>>532107439
>Anon, you're setting up yourself to download dolphin porn.
The city was in complete lock down, people are dying, and everything is going to hell. At that point you do a double take and download the demon summoning program you are sent because you have reason to believe it's not a lie.

>>532131317
Dazai (Sucker )
Dazai (Awakened)

>>532132140
by then it was already too late.
most people couldn't even go back home.

>>532132041
No, he clearly just brought into YHVH propaganda that his will is the Great Will, clearly regarding both as the same in Nocturne, and thought beating YHVH would demolish the Great Will only to realize he had it all wrong afterwards. See also Yoko's ending in VV where the ending acts like erasing the throne would have affects spreading in other worlds too, but then the post-ending Satan quest reveals that's wrong.

>>532132140
>>532132338
Yeah, this is the early 90s, most people won't have a portable computer with them.

>>532131942
P3R has some cool moments too. P3P has FeMC where you can't get elsewhere that adds a bit more flavor. Shit's hard. I can put all 3 but then it ruins my autism when I'm ranking shit like DeSu1 vs DeSu1 Overclocked.

>>532132338
>by then it was already too late.
Plenty of people were stuck at home too. Just doing nothing. I find it extremely unbelievable that near to no one downloaded it and used it by the time you're walking around Shinjuku. There wasn't much time left but there was enough.

>>532132679
that's also assuming most people even had computers to begin with.
or if people are stuck in their homes, they might not even know about all the demons.

>>532132839
>they don't have windows
>they don't have TVs

>>532129756
I do think he's very relatable to the average 4chan user.

>>532132661
i'd still just rank it as one game.
just go over the differences if you want but p3 is still p3.

>>532132901
what if steven's email got sent to the spam folder?

>>532132140
>>532132901
Most people don't know about demons, it's also why the fucking shopping mall near your house still function normally, people are more worried about Gouto taking over or the american soldiers than demons only a minority have seen.

>>532132919
what makes you think that? just how he's kinda anti social and looks like a nerd?

>>532133245
i'm arguing with him too but how does the mall even function normally when demons are running around outside? there are demon encounters out the ass outside.
... how does that old guy right outside your house stay safe?
smt 1 really is kinda weird in some ways like that

>>532133282
>want to speak up freely
>got beat up for it
The anti-social part is also a big bonus.
Main difference is that he tried to get stronger like a shonen hero but still got beat up for it because of Ozawa while the average 4chan user would rather speak their minds in anonymous places like here.

>>532129756

>>532133635
so you're saying the average 4chan user could use a hug?

>>532133712
>>532129756

>>532133540
I would say the bars with soldiers have an excuse but everything else doesn't. Unless the resistance is doing something but by the time the heroine is captured they move their forces around completely looking for her. All of these dependencies you can kind of excuse by the fact that they couldn't really show you the full scope of the situation due to console limitations but certain things I think were just lazy, like soldiers from apposing factions sitting at bars right next to each other and the excuse that 99% of all civilians were away from home or couldn't put 2+2 together reading an email and seeing what was happening outside. Tokyo has a huge population, too huge to make this believable.

>>532132654
so the retard went to some random universe and sucker punched it's god?

>>532129756
>>532133712
>>532134124

>>532110487
Yeah, one of the clubs has a book for sale.

Who wants to bet that the SMT If... Reference in P5X is purely a localization thing?

>>532134018
Yes.
Waifufagging and escapism are huge here for a reason.

SMT if what?

>>532134267
Well, not a random universe. His entire army and the Demi-Fiend (confirmed to have played a crucial role in killing God with extra dialogue they added in the last update) were prepared specifically to take down this YHVH.

>>532134375
neat

>>532134461
wouldn't surprise me.
do chinese people even like if...?
if it was originally a japanese game i'd believe they were real.

>>532134531
Why this particular universe? Did their own universe not have a YHVH? Was kagatsuhi their YHVH?

>>532134252
if people were deleting steven's emails because they thought they were scams they might not have them anymore either.
if they permanently deleted them anyway.
but yeah, certain things were just lazy.

>>532131317
Novio humano-kun (Lilimbro)

>>532134803
Becuase he was convinced it was tied to the Great Will and could effect large changes in the structure of the universe by taking him down.

when new gaem

>>532101739

>>532136670
Never, enjoy endless rereleases and remasters.

>>532124240
She has Cerberus because she was Hero,'s girlfriend/wife/whatever. When he got assassinated Cerberus went back to Madam. She also looks nothing like Heroine.

if V's The Creator was able to halt The Conception, what happened to Nocturne's YHVH-equivalent?

Did Raidou Remake got the models Ripped already?
There are a few i want to see

>>532137447
kaneko same face + people can change hairstyles and color

>>532136257
Why is V's universe so special in that regard? Or rather, why would he think it was that special? Surely Lucy isn't retarded, right?

>>532137586
>yaoifag
dios mios why does this series have a ton of them

>>532128307
How is Hiroko a ho? That's like calling the Virgin Mary a ho.

>>532137447
>she was Hero,'s girlfriend/wife/whatever
Why would Hero have a girlfriend/wife that WASN'T the Heroine? They are literally destined to be together
>>532137586
I can't imagine any non-gay reason you'd want these, the demons are censored to shit

>>532137893
nigga have you SEEN Hiroko??

>>532136159

>>532138493
based

>>532137940
I mean, Yuriko said that too.
>>532138106
Post-apocalyptic fashion is slutty, doesn't mean she is.

>>532134461
>>532137495
Pay up 1 life stone

>>532138860
>I mean, Yuriko said that too
Damn, Hero is a player

man I want an SMT fighting game. is that ASW new secret project?

I'm very very late to that smt1 argument, but an element you guys aren't considering when talking about the soilders and gotous factions doing nothing is the encounters. You're acting as if the npcs in the bars are the only guys from those factions as if the vast majority of units from both aren't the suicide units and soldiers you do find actively fighting in the infested fields. The guys in the bars are likely the reserves taking breaks from fighting
>>532135115
>>532137495
This is another "innocent sin online" retardation where they treat an event that canonically happened in universe as fiction
Weird shit

How many different Lucifers are there in the mainline canon?
>SMT 1/2 (David Bowie)
>Nocturne/V (Retarded Groomer)
>SJ (Chaos Mommy)
>IV/IVA (based and Waltuh-pilled)
Who are the non-mainline Lucifers? Are they cool?

>>532139348
Persona 5X is an alternate universe anyway. It's not even the actual Persona 5 universe.

>go to another universe thinking it's the one that'll grant you a victory against the Great Will
>it doesn't
>learn your efforts were ultimately pointless
>leave your army behind in the mess you made
>go into maximum cope, gaslight yourself into believing you finally know what's going on
>come up with a dumbass plan that basically amounts to a pity victory in the grand scheme of everything
Sigh... it's all so tiresome.

>>532141196
>come up with a dumbass plan that basically amounts to a pity victory in the grand scheme of everything
>even that isn't guaranteed to work
Trooncifer btfo'd

>>532132654
>See also Yoko's ending in VV where the ending acts like erasing the throne would have affects spreading in other worlds too
Mistranslation. In Japanese it says it's only your universe getting ejected.

>>532139906
Same with P1/P2 and P3/P4

>>532137716
>Why is V's universe so special in that regard?
Because it's probably the only one with the knowledge dynamic. Lucifer invaded that world and tempted humanity to consume knowledge because he saw the potential in it.
Goko pretty much explains it all in his quest.

>>532144802
Who?

>>532146089
you know, the guy

Why didn't The Spookies simply eat Snappy?

>>532146683
Why didn't Tomoko not be a stupid bitch?

>>532137586
i also want to see the new Angel Model

/smtg/ plays EraMegaten

>>532146089
You people act like Kagutsuchi 2.0 needs as much screen time and exposition as the main cast. Why?

>>532131461
>and how did you come to appreciate chaos hero?
I played the game and his character struck me. I am not someone who cares much about SMT alignments, in fact I think in a lot of games they're there just for fanservice and I also generally tend to prefer Law as a faction (I find it more interesting than agreeable before someone jumps at me with a knife for saying this).
However, even if I am opposite to him in many ways I found him relatable because I also was a bullied kid... and while the Law Hero was a good buddy, the Chaos Hero felt like a true friend who always speaks his mind. When he left it sucked but all consequent meetings hurt more because I could see he was still there despite his hypocrisy (he became like Oozawa in the end and even Oozawa told him so) and the fact that he wouldn't be mad at me most of the time due to my neutral alignment felt like a sliver of hope.
But in the end he just dies a depressing death and there is nothing you can do about it. His last message to you also feels like a gut punch because until the end he still sees you as a friend.
Law Hero also has a sad end but the fact he realizes he has been played like a damn fiddle makes it far less heart wrenching, plus his relationship with his gf was very important-- meanwhile Chaos Hero basically had only the Hero and the Law Hero, he died alone but with no regrets and that really struck me.

I CAN FIX HIM!!!!!!!!

>>532153523
what you mean by "you people"?!

>>532148751
I just recently rediscovered some screenshots that Genesis posted here of his broship with Dante
Those were good times for /smtg/
Better times

>>532035065
>>532035579
Can confirm that the overflow bug doesn't happen in the PS1 version.

>>532154684
>DFC ToT
lmao, is that your name? wtf

>>532154297
Anyone that says "Who?" when you post Goko.

>>532155123
I'll stop asking when ATLUS finally gives us a boss fight with him.

>>532156124
That is the only legitimate complaint about his character. If you fought Kagutsuchi, you should have been able to fight him too. Pacifist shit is boring and being such a higher being that he can't bring himself to fight you doesn't elevate his character at all.

It’s not ai but the art style throws me for a loop for a sec. Cool Amane art though

>>532157807
AIslop tracer

>>532158564
>ai tracing
Boooooo. Now I don’t feel as bad not liking the style

>>532160849
Don't listen to Avery.

>desu2 doesn't have much good hentai
an actual crime against humanity

>>532164951
You will enjoy the ugly bastard x io doujins and like it

>>532164951
yasuda is dogshit

>be a good guy
>get the shittiest endings
why is SMT like this? I hate how neutral doesn't really feel natural (ha) at all, you have to act like a fucking hypocrite and that sucks.

Actually now that I think about it, DeSu doesn't feel that bad since you're mostly "agreeing" with the person rather than the ideal and I think that kinda works well.

>Smartest guy in the group
>Guys! Let's not send these demons back and use demons as weapons and tools, why are we getting rid of them?!
what the fuck

Demon women were made for BHC

>>532166758
Suffer, fencesitter!

>>532167763
but suffering is being a good boy. being a nice guy and sparring people suddenly makes you okay with committing genocide for GOD!
alright. damn okay maybe law is a bit hypocrite too.

>>532167763
True neutral in V was not a fencesitter ideology at all. You're still screwed by it.

>>532168035
To unlock true neutral you have to do all the side quests that show demons aren't that bad and demons and humans can be friends
I'm still confused by this

>>531820240 (OP)
I mean with law and chaos you need to read in between the lines, the law ending of SMT 2 is extreme but at the same time the most manifestation of law. You eliminate evil completely, everyone, demon and human, reincarnates into their perfected forms in Eden as the purified people chosen for Eden repopulate it. It is a perfect paradise, and it represents true unity with the Great Will/God as the idea of an external God is destroyed, allowing God/the Great Will and the Will of Law to manifest itself through the people*. It is ironic that the fullest manifestation of law is an anarchy, as everyone is the embodiment of Law, the people of Eden are one with the logos as it manifests through them - they have become Christ

True Demon Ending in SMT 3 is extreme, but the most perfected form of Chaos, because it allows for true creativity and freedom of creativity at the cost of everyone thing else


*Philip K. Dick’s Valis should be mandatory reading for SMT 2 law’s end

Is Dazai the only devil summoner in mainline SMT to have a "sucks your dick and you die demon" on his team?

>>532133712
>>532134124
>>532134273
What is this 90s phenotype called?

>>532169018
protochud

>>532169130
"The Nerd"

Finished SMT1 and while I'm waiting for the next /smt/ plays (It still better be 4 I swear to fucking yhvh). Any good supplementary watches? I was thinking of watching Mad Max tonight but what else is there that's similar feeling to SMT? Some anon on here recommended me On The Beach quite a while back and it was a pretty good read but now want something still actiony. Yes I've seen Devilman. (who hasn't in this day and age)

>>532169390
That being said I know a lot of japanese are actual fucking scam artists and plagurize a BUNCH of western shit but what even are the inspos to SMT? Sometimes it feels like the opposite where fucking SMT Strange Journey gets a real life movie rip off.

TTW has the largest body count out of all the Heroines!

>>532169390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL6wzxo-cJU&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD

>>532169849
huh

>>532014427
Good post

>>532013932
Bad post

>>532169849
Literally lucifer

Totally trustworthy advice.

>>532171130
last dialogue of the game from him
why was he such a bitch

Someone draw Lilim wearing a shirt that says I heart BHC

>>532171401
Maybe later, pretty tired right now.

God I want to fuck amane. I want her to perform a clothed paizuri with her robes

>>532172117
Soulless doll

okay you posted a lot of amane art and i know your comissioning sex pics of her but where are they???

>>532172835
They’re still being made broski. Will take some time

>>532171130
Epstein's Island confirmed?

Low test, you should have paid for commission work of that disgusting sweathog yuzu

>>532176440
What, can't do it yourself? You're not a poorfag and/or an artlet, are you?

>>532176440
Nah

>>532169390
A Boy and His Dog (Blood the dog is here)

Beel destroyed.

>>532182274
Asura actually lasted longer than Beel

>>532183007
I wonder with Ahura Mazda will ever appear in another game. His angels Sroasha and Armarti cucking him for YHVH would be interesting

Triple fusion is a massive pain in the ass and most of the combinations on the usual fusion calculator are actually wrong.
I wanted to fuse at least one Tyrant before finishing the game, I'm not sure if it was worth the effort considering how easy the game already is.

>>532185504
Yeah I noticed that too. I had to try like 8 of the listed combination in the SMT2 fusion calculator to get Astaroth,

>>532185504
>>532186018
So what races are exclusive to triple fusion? I'm still pretty early in the game but it would be nice to know

>>532186373
Hard locked to Triple fusion:
Tyrant, Vile, Seraph
Technically fusable through normal fusion but are either easier to get through triple fusion or require a triple fusion as component:
Deity.

To all those who completed SMT1 in our /smtg/ plays. Is this your first time playing it?

>>532186373
>>532186980
Also you do the entire game without ever fusing a Tyrant, the lowest level one is Dagon at 74 and you can finish the game before reaching that level.

>>532186980
>>532187167
All right thanks, seems like I'll only use Vile and diety demons
>>532187161
I played SNES once, now trying expert PS1

>>532168259
Probably because that didn't happen.
>doing all the fairy village quests because all the students are trapped there, aka: helping the demons so they can continue helping the students
>you have to stop Khonsu, and side with Miyazu, not him, to finish the quest correctly after sparing Khonsu twice
>you kill Shiva because he's competition and could fuck up your world after remaking it

Inevitably, doing this quests makes you as selfless and noble as possible. Which is how strong a character the MC has to be to make a self sacrifice that mainly only hurts him. Demons and gods exist outside your world and can never die. But Aogami is a special case. You'll be making it as if he never existed.

>>532153853
i'd say law hero was a true friend too. he dies to save you.
chaos hero realizes lilith was playing him in the chaos route at least.
and i do like him fairly well too but i've already talked about him a lot.
something else that kinda strikes me is how law hero says his one regret was not being able to save his gf if you don't do that sidequest.

sorry to hear you were bullied. i was too and it's no fun. it can mess people up.

i like to think after they all died and reincarnated, their reincarnations found each other again.
it's a big point of megaten and the smt 1 heroine says everyone who died will reincarnate.

what makes law more interesting for you?

>>532188424
>i'd say law hero was a true friend too. he dies to save you.
I wouldn't say that's because he's a friend. Just a nice guy that wants to help anyone. He did put his girlfriend before everyone else though. Chaos hero was a prick from beginning to end to just about everyone.

>>532188967
>Just a nice guy that wants to help anyone.
true but he still felt like a true friend to me.

>Chaos hero was a prick from beginning to end to just about everyone.
would you say his friendship sticks out more because he's anti social?
you're more special because you're one of the few he genuinely appreciated?

>>532189309
He appreciated strength more than anything. And he was just mentally ill. Probably one of the worst chaos reps in the series. He was so utterly self loathing and had no plans for the bigger picture. If anything he was aimless. He was hoping his strength would guide him. In fact I'm pretty sure that's why he says he died with no regrets basically because he at least tasted the strength he coveted for such a long time.

>>532189732
he loses his goal (freedom) in the pursuit of power. he forgets about what he originally wanted the deeper he falls into the chaos faction.
i think that's why he seems aimless.

Demonfu

will we ever have /smtg/ play Persona 4 Arena Ultimax. It would be a fun time haha

>>532187323
>now trying expert PS1
I've been told expert mode actually is the exact same difficulty on the SNES. The so-called normal mode is actually an easy mode that was added.

>>532190104

>>532191289
Technically not an easy mode since the stats of enemies doesn't change.
The only things it change are the encounter rate and the XP gain.

anyone know in retroarch how to change the aspect ratio but just for that game? my god the snes text and graphics is JARRING blown up, this game was not meant to be this huge.
>>532192001
O_o
man now i wish i played on normal instead

>>532192957
You can press F to switch to windowed mode and resize that.

>>532193156
ugh lame.

Anyone know any good SMTtubers? I've just noticed most of them seem so nitpicky and whiny.

>>532172117
Man, I'm still disappointed possessed Amane basically just existed for promo material and you only briefly see that design in game for the inner world stage. I was really hoping there was a path where she stuck like that for a while at least.

>>532195776
Honestly you could’ve done a lot with Mind Amane. Hell, with remiel possessing Amane at times, you could have had Jezebel possess her in the chaos route for the fun of it.

>>532192001
I've heard it also nerfs some status effects, but ironically nerfs them for you as well which makes them less exploitable

>>532157807
>>532160849
>artist who regularly posts sketches and wips
>"their style gives me the ick, must be AI!!!"
come on

>>532195078
I posted daily demon SMT shorts for like a week straight, a year or so ago. Then I got bored and abandoned the project.

>>532195078
Strain42 does some cool videos on demon lore

>>532132140
i came back to add that there were others with the dsp.
ozawa literally finds a device with the dsp on it which is elaborated on in the gba version. that's how he can order demons around in the future.
you can find other devil summoners in the future too and fight them.
none of them really did anything important storywise however. that's why you don't see many of them because most of them just fuck around and do their own thing.

the dsp has survived in some way from steven's emails if people in the future are using it besides the mc.

I was thinking about it and I think SMT could work in a death game like gimmick. Either something like Gantz or where everyone is dead and they have to climb a tower and the first one to the tower gets resurrected. Only to learn halfway through the world actually did end and blah blah going to the top of the tower is like the throne and he who sits on it gets to recreate the world or some shit. So something like a mix of SMT III and IV.

A friendly conversation I had with a demon during my playthrough.

>>532195078
i mostly just like marsh. everyone else has to inject their "ironic" youtuber humor into the videos.
i liked nenilein too but she hasn't uploaded anything in years and she was a persona person.
she could sound kinda pretentious at times too.

>>532201049
Reminds me of the cut manga Lives, which is battle royale mixed with DDS and a dash of devilman

>>532076490
As we explore the newly for-sale castle we stumble upon Izanami's force ghost who explains that unlike last time the demons were smart enough to just kill her outright instead of just imprisoning her. A tip from one of the local demon civvies suggests that I can revive her using a macguffin from our next stop, Moloch's temple.
We rescue some demon kids who were slated for ritualistic sacrifice, get the revival macguffin, and fight Moloch who is the same as Belial except a giant pain in the ass because his defense is significantly better making his heal spam actually a problem. On the bright side I discovered by accident that having Ifrit on the back line completely nullifies target-all fire skills because it always starts from slot 6, meaning every time he cast maragidyne was a free turn.
After crawling back to town we get a key from the thankful father of the rescued kids then backtrack to revive Izanami who gives us a cloak that nullifies all damage tiles. Would have been real useful back when I was hiking through a giant turtle's stomach acid to get one of the pillars.
We unlock the tower not far from the temple town and quickly come across yet another demon lord by the name of Bephelgor who goes down pretty quickly and gives us a completely busted upgrade to my serpent sword multiplying my personal unga bunga output by more than 6 times.
Next stop is the mountains of fear where the fly men live, where I learn that Lucifer is running the show again and Beelzebub has the last orb of power needed before I can go confront him.
Making my way though the mountains and navigating what may or may not have been a very annoying graphical glitch I end up in his lair and easily beat his maze with the power of Mappara.
Prepared for the showdown with tricky lou's last surviving general we barge into his sanctum and... He asks very nicely for us to give him our pet frog and let him fuse with the other demon lord who also very much wanted to kill us.

huh.

>>532201224
I like Marsh but sometimes he's a bit normie in his videos. I feel like there's some cool discussion in the games he's not bringing it up but he kinda side sweeps it.

Ngl, SMT is kind of hard carried by it's art direction and style over it's substance. I can't think of a single SMT game where the actually meat of the game is the best part about it.

>>532201479
Oh, can't believe I forgot. Before we went to the mountains a demonic Mr. Steal Your Girl payed a visit and stole Dildonix, then immediately got deleted with our new weapon's overwhelming might.

>>532080646
whomst

>>532201642
Sounds to me like you just don't like rpgs.

>>532192957
change the aspect ratio for the core and only use that core for that particular game

>>532201483
yeah but at least he just acts like a normal person instead of using a fake youtube personality.

I know I’m supposed to go to Tae to talk to her but I’m enjoying spending time with Kaya walking around the city

>>532202447
They prepared unique lines for each area of the city, so they clearly thought about the player doing that.

>>532202292
can't do it on bsnes

>>531831690
play the friendship route and punch that laozi fucker in the face

>>532134461
https://x.com/hihohihodance/status/1947165432500343226
i know people already posted otherwise but it's in the japanese version too

>>532166758
bumping this, how do you actually do alignment where it's not just "don't kill" OH YOU'RE A RELIGIOUS NUT NOW or "kill" OH GREAT NOW YOU'RE AN ANARCHIST NOW. Do it like SMT IVA?

I was enjoying my day out with Kaya and something went a bit sideways

>>532202447
>be on a date with kaya
>compliment her on her new hair style
>out of nowhere she starts asking questions like "what would you do if you were forced into an endless ideological war with no clear winner because of your ancestors?" or "would you be willing to destroy the past to save the future?"
bros im getting mixed signals, do you think i'll get a second date or not

>>532204514
Say that you think the future is doomed and you’ll reach second base

>demon slots increase from 450 to 900
>this guy will be working on adding life-long demons to this game
How many demons are there in all of Megaten? Is it possible to add them all? The guy literally creates his own 3D models.
https://gamebanana.com/mods/528162

>>532204514
>>532204864
I thought it was real weird when we were sharing a soda and she started asking if the only people I could trust were demons

>>532204954
he recently started using AI 3D models lmao

>>532204268
I think Devil Survivor had the right idea with tying the routes to characters rather than making the routes eat up the characters in order to be "pure". The route should represent the character you're siding with, rather than make a big leap and change that character once you're in their route.

>>532205402
>atsuro
how is he the smart one in your group? his ending is absolutely fucking retarded

>>532205441
Well, he's the smart tech guy and that's basically the ending where technology is playing a big role. Although I do agree it's weird.

>To get into the route you have to uncover this government conspiracy to kill everyone with a super microwave weapon.

>In the route itself, you give the government tech to control demons.

>>532017764
If you're potentially talking about the Apple Store version you might have heard about, that was a port Atlus did that I believe was originally made on ancient phone hardware from hell. Then the app store requested an update and Atlus didn't want to update the code, so they just let it ride. II think the last time I checked, it was still there, but you had to like turn off a shit ton of security features on the Apple Store to even see it, and even then it still won't let you install on newer OS.

>>532104606
why

>>532203563
i found an option for it in
>core options
>video
>preferred aspect ratio

Went thought the diamond realm. Having 2nd doubts about expert because the encounter rate is absurd
>>532201642
If you don't like 4a gameplay idk what to tell you

wow the YHVH fight in SMT2 sucks ass if you don't have a Sukukaja demon. I'm out here whiffing most of my attacks, and for some reason his Dekaja doesn't work sometimes so it says it disperses my buffs, so I rebuff attack only for it to reduce what hits I AM landing into single digit territory because of the tarukaja bug in SMT2 SNES. and then on top of it all this fucker has nearly 10K HP on Lucifer.

>>532208803
The biggest problem is how easy he is desu, it's a bit of an anticlimax

OK, TONY

>>532209148
yeah they've conflated length with difficulty it looks like

>>532204250
but is it in the chinese version?

>>532201479
The worst that could happen is that I have to reload and retrace my steps so I let him have his frog, and he becomes actually Baal instead of just Bael or Beel. Pushing their way into my entourage they insist I bring him to his lord Lucifer.
Having no idea what I've just done or where this is going I just shrug my shoulders and play along, but not before using the third save slot juuuuust in case.
We head over to the remote tower where Izanami uses her power to dump us over at Lucifer's castle for the final confrontation.
His castle proves to be surprisingly easy, especially now that I can pretty easily stomp most mobs without demons despite being fairly certain I'm under leveled.
I reach Lucifer and he tells me a story about how his God exterminated all the other gods, sundering the most powerful ones into various parts and labeling them as "Demons." Baal was one of the first to suffer this fate. Those humans who stood with the old gods were also slaughtered by The One True God hoping to snuff the other gods out entirely in both life and memory.
Lucifer wraps up his speech with an offer for us to join his ranks that we may smite God together.
He makes a pretty convincing argument, but on the other hand he's the fucking devil.
wat do?

and that's SMT2 Law route finished. gotta say now that I've played both, SMT1 > 2 easy. SMT2 has a cool concept and more interesting setting and plot events, especially towards the end but the music is worse, the final boss sucks mechanically, visually and thematically it's cooler than any of the SMT1 final bosses, the pillar and body part quest sucks, and I liked the Alignment Reps from 1 more.

>>532209480
according to >>532137495 yes

>>532210374
I'm conflicted on the two of them personally, I think 1's settings and themes are superior but 2's are still good and the plot is a lot more fun imo. 1's alignment reps are better but the other supporting characters are better in 2.

>>532212290
p5x is actually kinda based then.
shame they decided to get greedier with the worldwide release.

>>532212290
P5X is such a shit game but, this is a fun easter egg. I have to admit.

>>532212585

>>531820784
how are you enjoying smt 1?
are you glad you participated?
whats your favorite part/aspect of smt 1?

>>532213271
i had fun with it. glad i joined in.
i really like the dream sequences and the part where someone tells you your money is useless.
i like the artstyle and the surrealism of some events and that it feels raw and puts you into tough situations.

>>532212719
me on the left

>>532212547
I'm not even sure 2 has alignment reps. Like is Zayin even a "Law rep" when he's an incomplete Satan?

>>532215370
I think Zayin/Satan is the Law rep and Lucifer is the Chaos rep, but it has been a while since I played it...