Store link:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2378900/The_Coffin_of_Andy_and_Leyley/
# Guides (Major spoilers; avoid until having played through the game once):
>Routes & Subrouteshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3050501797
>Achievementshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3050231198
>Stars & Visionshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3459534675
>Complete Episode 2 Walkthroughhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3052417644
>Episode 3 Endings Guidehttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3148380245
# News:
>Announcement schedule rescheduled; no more monthly teasers due to spoilers. Future announcements will happen only as needed.https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2378900/view/523092648628585985
# Nemlei's previous games:
https://mega.nz/file/FSFXURYI#FhEp5w4qMv4w0A0mMfQ4YqLD5TJuve014_-eTNdIbSI
Previous thread:
>>531869292
Who works a harder job in SnS? Andrew or Ashley?
>>5321255583A is basically the Silent Hill crossover with how much abstract imagery there is
>>532126553An incestvania, eh?
That expression is really hot. Andrew is a lucky man to have his sister constantly doing cowgirl dryhumping him
>>532122291We already did that years back but neither of us likes alcohol so it's not the same divine incestuous-platonic ritualistic fun for us un4chanately.
>>532122871Realistically, Nemlei just wanted to add a man obsessed with woman trope somewhere and it's cool.
>>532123886Me because I have to see them in such despair and sorrow.
LOVE YOUR SISTER
FUCK YOUR SISTER
IMPREGNATE YOUR SISTER
RAISE BEAUTIFUL, HEALTHY, AND SUCCESSFUL NEPHSONS AND DAUGHTERNIECES
UPGRADE YOUR DNA
>>532129414>neither of us likes alcoholThe taste, or the drunkenness? I love being drunk, but the process of getting drunk involves drinking alcohol, which has consistently been a fucking miserable experience. Completely worth it, though.
>>532129672Personally I don't like the taste and I have never gotten drunk and it sounds like a horrible experience. I know they're Northern Euro, but I don't know how Andrew becomes an alcoholic in an hour or two in SnS like he's been waiting for this moment his whole life. Mind you I don't have much experience with alcohol, so my opinion is worthless.
>>532128539Andrew, Ashley gets to kill her "customers"
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Fuck the pain away, my bed is in ruins
Need you in my veins, don't know how you do it
Come and leave your mark
Vandalize my heart
>>532130636https://youtu.be/neexlOTmAxw?feature=shared
Nice song, saved. I wish I had someone to be miserable with so that we could fuck the pain away together.
>>532128278 (OP)Itโs kind of cursed to see them in brighter clothing. Though I suppose if Coffin wasnโt monochrome youโd see how colourful Ashley wears her clothes when she was younger.
>>532130046>Personally I don't like the tasteVery sane. Alcohol tastes horrible, but a good mixer like lemonade will hide most of the vodka taste.
>I have never gotten drunk and it sounds like a horrible experienceNah, it's euphoric, especially when you share it with a cutie (like your cousin). It feels like you're walking on the moon. You start finding jokes more funny. And you find yourself wanting, and indeed getting, really squeezy tight hugs. Also, one of the great things about being drunk is that you can make yourself immediately sober on command, and then just as quickly resume your euphoric state. Being drunk shouldn't make you feel sick unless you are staring directly at lightbulbs and putting your ear right up against a jet engine.
Go drinking with your cousin! Bars are very hospitable, though it is often cheaper and comfier to just daydrink at home.
They don't understand the things I tell my sister
Nigga heil Nemlei
I want to kiss Thiu and tell him that everything is gonna be alright
>tfw I slept 11 hours and missed 2 calls from my sister again
It's hard being a sleephead Thiucel in this fucked up Surgeonpilled jobcuck world
>>532131572>t. Alcoholdrew
I want to kiss Marion just because
So is that steam change gonna affect this game? They're going after incest.
>>532138503They put all this in motion specifically to target this game. Is frankly mindblowing.
>>532138503Trump signed an Executive Order banning this game
>>532138503This game killed my dog, and now im after it.
>>532128278 (OP)When will the next devlog be?
>>532139265I think September, 3B releases in December.
>>532138813>>532138718>>532138942You're being ironic but they already banned some niche games.
>>532140292>You're being ironicI'm not, check the news. Nemlei was on the Epstien list. The game is banned
>>532140292>You're being ironicWhat makes you think that? This game has appeared in the news a couple of times already (As far as I KNOW), and still haven't accommodated fully in the collective consciousness. There is still place for retaliation.
>>532141973He made his own island in episode 1.
>>532139265Two more weeks!
>>532141973The surgeon is an honest to god man of values that put his personal integrity over everything else in life. Of course not.
Likelihood of Burial needing an Episode 4B?
>>532142467A brother in the early 2000s would've called his sister gay for doing that.
Coffin is great because it partly scratches that itch in the part of the brain where the fascination of the morbid exists. I associate it with cold autumn nights, old, decaying Victorian cemeteries, abandoned buildings, and that place your mind goes when you end up on a rabbithole of high profile suicides, murders, etc and begin to ruminate on death, maybe even a little suicidal ideation of your own. You know how old cemeteries smell? I can't describe it, but it's something unique. I was never much of a horror game or film fan, but I love that sort of moody, atmospheric stuff that drives the imagination. I remember going for a walk on a moonlit night with heavy fog when I was about 14 and the blue shadows of the trees looming just beyond the veil as I walked unsettled me in a way I couldn't describe, and I wanted to immediately turn and go home, but yet it also compelled me to keep going even more. Coffin to me is like that, and I hope that when all is said and done, Nemlei releases her influences for a lot of the aesthetic and premise of the game because I demand more Coffincore.
https://youtu.be/BXqPNlng6uI
https://youtu.be/pnJM_jC7j_4
https://youtu.be/B3q4gMgKMCk
https://youtu.be/925Lqrfp0Xc
>>532143486It would need a 5B episode.
Reading this novel wherein I had to do a double take at the very subtle mention of Siblingcest. In this case, the sister is older and she initiated the act.
>>532147391>the sister is older and she initiated the acthttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/7ayDBOAH2HQ
>>532147391>sister is oldereww
>>532148373Jokes is on you. I like both.
>>532128939Excuse me for a moment but I'd like to point out how fucking fat her titties are.
>>532149607Haters will say smaller
>>532148373>neefags winIn what aspect? Every good piece of incestuous romance media features a younger sister, it's the default assumption. Why? Because little sisters are the platonic ideal of sisterhood, they're the default assumption.
>>532128278 (OP)Grok remove her robin hood ahh boots and let me see them feet
>>532150332>Every good piece of incestuous romance media features a younger sisterWrong. Coffin is the exception that proves the rule: little sister romance on the whole is "help me stepbro I'm stuck" in literary form. Meanwhile, Japan has produced countless slowburn oneekino.
>>532151321>WrongI'm correct. Let me turn it around on you: how does the sister being older alter the dynamic? If it doesn't, there is no purpose to her being older as menโstatisticallyโoverwhelmingly prefer younger women. When it does alter the dynamic, it puts her in a caretaker role or puts her in charge of the relationship, neither of which are appealing to men with testosterone, at that point you might as well read momshit. I'm always right.
Should a son be allowed to spank his mother if dad isnโt around to do it? It might sound weird but a major theme of this series is how out of control women get without proper discipline.
>>532151654>projection and andrew tate shitI could just as easily say that YOU might as well read daughtershit. Your fallacy is taking a (strawman) position to an extreme nobody insists it be taken to.
>>532151841>andrew tate shitOnce again, random redpill grifters mentioned unprompted. I don't know why retards like that live in your head rent-free, but I assume it's for the same reasons you can't actually refute my position. Her being older does not enhance the dynamic, hence why all of the good incestuous romance fiction is about younger sisters.
>>532152298>but I assume it's for the same reasons you can't actually refute my positionI did, but you refused to comment, so I'll lay it out again:
I could just as easily say that YOU might as well read daughtershit. Your fallacy is taking a (strawman) position to an extreme nobody insists it be taken to.
Hey guys, Peter Griffin here to explain! Anon is implying that he is obviously not going to suggest that you read father-daughter incest as the logical conclusion of your little sister smut journey. This is because whatever armchair psychology you intend to project onto him is simply irrelevant on account of what Anon is declaratively seeking out not being defined as parent-child incest. Likewise, attempts to make similar projections would be equally irrelevant if flipped around for your own position. The ultimate point being made is that sisterfucking exists in its own right without being tied to Freudian crap.
>completely ignored
I'm proud of you /klaj/
>>532153216You used an excessive amount of words to say very little. My position isn't a strawman, it's a logical extrapolation of literary shorthand. A sister being older does not enhance the sibling dynamic from a romantic perspective; similarly, if written in a way that's even semi-realistic it would not appreciably alter the dynamic because men are usually the ones in charge of the relationship, and when they aren't that relationship is usually hell on earth. If her being older does alter the dynamic in said piece of fiction, it literally always involves the sister acting more like a mother or being in charge of the relationship while also magically not losing respect for her counterpart for it. You trying to flip it around and say that younger sisters and older brothers might as well be daughter and father isn't remotely comparable, because the male default is preferring younger women. In literary shorthand, youth is correlated with naivety and deference to the elder, which is usually the authority figure. Conversely, that's also the male fantasy for a relationship.
My proof for all of this? Again, all of the good incestuous romance fiction is about little sisters. Your counter-argument to this is that there's supposedly tons of Japanese "literature" featuring older sisters that is somehow slowburn kino, but I'd argue that's likely not true because it's Japanese.
>>532153912>You fuck herWhat did she mean by this?
>>532154134Starting puberty with your sister already having a pair of tits is ideal.
It is extremely jarring that you cite the male imperative or whatever without seeing that the younger brother should, as a consequence of this imperative, remain in charge of the relationship on account of being a man. This mommyshit is irrelevant strawmanning, and your argument about "defaults" doesn't even take father-daughter off the table; under your rules, why should fucking your daughter be less of a default than fucking your younger sister?
>>532154171You have to know very good ball in order to understand Mrs Graves' very obvious accusation towards Andrew that he fucks his sister.
>>532151841you should read daughtershit since there is no greater love a man can have than that which is reserved for his own creation ala Pygmalion
>>532154171That whole hostage situation is now 10x funnier knowing how fucking horrible a parent Renee was
>>532154959Awesome fat tits become awesome manly pecs
I DEMAND BIG BOOTY ANDREW GETTING PEGGED!
>>532155614Mental illness
Did you catch any Amogi (plural of Amogus) in Episode 3A?
>>532155882There is a sus at the very start
>>532154730>without seeing that the younger brother should, as a consequence of this imperative, remain in charge of the relationship on account of being a manThat's the crux of my argument. In literature if you deviate from a default assumption there should be a purpose behind it, otherwise it's a distinction without a difference. "Literary shorthand" means that you are utilizing reader assumptions to fill in gaps so you don't have to explain literally everything in painstaking, excruciating detail. Take elves for instance, even after a lot of liberties have been taken with that concept everyone still has a baseline assumption on what an elf is, which obviates the need to explain a lot of things to the reader which would otherwise detract from the core purpose of that piece of media. Similarly, younger sisters deferring to their older brothers is just kind of a given, where older sisters (the key part being a sister, not some random hussy) typically have some degree of authority over their brothers in most modern households.
>your argument about "defaults" doesn't even take father-daughter off the tableIt does, because I was speaking of the default of romance, more specifically sibling romance. There's additional aspects of romance than simply age and deference to the man, but if I have to explain literally all of these aspects to you then you weren't worth talking to in the first place, either because you're arguing in bad faith or because you're entirely ignorant of the matter. As a thought exercise, imagine a knight storming a castle and slaying an evil dragon to save the princess, what kind of woman would be perfect for that scenario? That is the literary default.
>>532155173Ashley telling Renee to take her meds when she brings up ____ is extra funny. She knows only and solely because Ashley told her about it as a kid. I guess now she takes the oath seriously, or she's just fucking with her. Probably both.
>>532156341These rigid rules about how stories ought to be written is anti-art. The purpose of any given thing isn't defined by a pretentious French academic describing what he thinks other people's texts inherently do; the author of the given thing decides the purpose. If somebody wanted to bang his elder sister, writing a story inspired by that is not mandated to be a media literacy thing about actually having sex with one's mother. I can crumble your entire argument my inventing my own subversive elf race and there's nothing anyone can do to tell me they're not actually elves.
>>532157489>I can crumble your entire argument my inventing my own subversive elf race and there's nothing anyone can do to tell me they're not actually elvesThat's the thing, if it's subversive you are still constrained by the parameters of the thing you're subverting. If you were to subvert what it means to be an elf, you would have to demonstrate in what manner they deviate from the default assumption of an elf, which in and of itself means there is a sort of default assumption. Your desire for a featherless chicken to be comparable to man is not enough to make it so. You can write whatever you want, but there's a reason we don't have a lot of stories about the brave knight rescuing the thrice-divorced fat balding trans latinx from a dragon. Templates and tropes exist for a reason, and deviating from these templates should always serve a purpose. Ultimately if somebody is writing something they can, and in fact *should* write about the things they like and which interest them, otherwise they're just making a product. It just so happens that younger sisters are overwhelmingly preferred because of this.
>>532158280>you are still constrained by the parameters of the thing you're subvertingOne can also simply not give a shit. Textual rules only exist when the author and the audience mutually agree to enforce them, and the ontology of that which already exists is not automatically relevant to every author's imagination.
I honestly don't care about that stuff, isn't there supposed to be demons in this or something?
>>532158626>One can also simply not give a shitThe odds of something turning out poorly because of this increase exponentially with this attitude. Again, if you're subverting something you're constrained by what that thing is, otherwise it's not subversion and it bears no relation to that thing. To my point: most coffin fanfics.
>>532140346>Point of View>You're an inbred child who got in trouble for biting another kid at school again.
>>532159460>be younger brother>want to fuck older sister>find smut about fucking one's older sisterUse case for giving a fuck about your art doctrine?
>>532159807I see you've given up. Better luck next time.
>>532160000>QuadsFuck me. You win.
>>532141973But why would you go to that island?
>>532151215Ahh this ahh that
LOOK WHO CANT SAY ASS
>>532155173>That whole hostage situation is now 10x funnier knowing how fucking horrible a parent Renee was>knowing how fucking horrible a parent Renee wasDid you not play the game or did you need chapter 3 to spell it out that Renee was horrible? Cause I thought it was really obvious Miss Graves was terrible in chapter 2, considering she left her children to die and wanted to have a steak dinner after the fact.
Aw, fuck it, im going to spam images too.
Between Marion and Bunnie, who is the top?
>>532162316>between a girl and a gay bottom, who is the top?Nobody. Ship DOA.
>>532162316Marion, i believe
>>532161897At least you'd be spamming shit we haven't seen twelve-million fucking times. The other assclown literally just spends long periods of time wordlessly posting the same images for seemingly no purpose.
>>532162507God forbid someone post something during Euro hours
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>>532162507I think he got a kick out of that time when we hit the image limit a bit too soon and want to repeat it. What a faggot.
>>532162484Anon, i...
>>532162786>constantly flirts with Sylvester>seduces Marion to get himself out of prison>suggests Marion seduce Jack to stall him>tries Galiathos to get food and to let him out in case Marion failsBunnie is a hussy.
Nemlei is probably embarrassed of JiaC
>>532163602Bunnie also end up eloping with Galiathos in the calm ending. Speaking of him, which toy is Galiathos? He and his men are part of the same chess set that the king is part of? (Chess pieces: King, Knights, etc)
>>532164029Nemlei is probably embarrassed of Coffin as well.
Nemlei is incapable of embarrassment.
>>532164325JiaC is one of Nemlei's best along with Better Half and Coffin. She have to live with that.
>aunt overheard my sister asking me to go watch a movie with her and asked if she met any cute boys at her new job
>she said i'm the only cute boy she wants to date and gave me a hug
I might have to finally smooch her lips at the movie
>>532164073>He and his men are part of the same chess set that the king is part of? (Chess pieces: King, Knights, etc)I somehow never put together that The King was a chess piece. The crown is even a chess piece. It makes sense that Galiathos is a knight and his squad are probably pawns. He even says his family has always protected The King.
Would that mean at some point The King co-ruled with his sister, The Queen?
>>532164913Sisters are so nice. Unfortunately I can never read the word "aunt" without hearing Big Smoke say "I got some money from my aunt".
>>532165389>based on my aunt
>>532141973No, but he did.
>>532165606So THAT'S what it's based on?
>>532165237You have to be an honest heterosexual man to fully appreciate JiaC
>>532165987It's insane how badly faggots and women still misunderstand this.
>>532164029I mean she did take down the game from the steam for no reason
In this house Imoutos are superior! End of story!
>make a joke to my sister about us getting together
>she explicitly says it will never happen
/calg/... it's over. I'll never become Andrew... my delphic dream is dead
>>532167271What did your boyfriend think about this?
>>532167271You just need to get her drunk and play with her ass during a hug.
>>532167271Anon delphism is nothing but an illusion. If the siblings hadn't developed deep, unbreakable relationship since childhood like A&A it's basically impossible
>>532143486I'm leaning towards no honestly, I can't see Nemlei wanting to keep working on this game for another 2-3 years.
>>532128278 (OP)For a second the highlights in Andrew's hair made me think Ashley was pissing on him in the OP pic.
>>532169273Remember that the entire game is already writen, and everything that the team is doing now is just putting the paper on a finished craft. Is not like it's being extended or altered as they go. Burial having two episodes depends in how well the engine can handle it.
>>532164575JiaC was the first I played after Coffin and I immediately concluded it's the most dogshit game Nemlei ever made. Even AIWABB was better and it wasn't even as long as the lamely written femboy fujo romance that is JiaC.
>>532165237It does really. I love Nemlei and it may not be to my taste in the first place but it's such amateur work.
>>532167965Absolute sisterlessness reeks from this post. Just trust the plan bro.
>>532167271Did you actually get shut down or are you reading too much into banter?
>>532169721nta but Decay could've been significantly shorter and fit into one episode if nems didn't include a bunch of dead end meaningless route
>>532171756>I immediately concluded it's the most dogshit game Nemlei ever made.Even more than Candy Scabs or Divilethion? Care to elaborate a bit? It was the idea?
>>532171756Nemlei's worst games are better than most people's best.
>>532171903She outright said it would never happen. It's over
>>532171756>Absolute sisterlessnessNo U
>>532172397Vvhhhh CK2 fags? Why does Renee have the lover's cloud around her portrait???
>>532128939His mom probably routinly made the same expressions as Ashley. Probably killed his erection on multiple occasions.
>>532177085Just steal her panties and have a sniff n jerk.
>>532179743Because hags are cute and lovable
>>532171756This post is pure cope
>>532173205Yes even after I played them all I thought it was the worst. I would still put Divilethion as the second worst, but at least its writing and delivery was good to some extent and it seemed like the only problem was that it was rushed by Wagemlei of the time, which is understandable. Candy Scabs is a short little story and doesn't take itself that seriously in the first place, it's a cute Halloween VN. And before anyone says it, no, I don't dislike JiaC because I hate gayslop. I liked Better Half a lot. I still think No Good Racemixxer is better but it was intriguing for me despite not being a fan of fujo work.
>>532181446Cope about what nigga? That I didn't like it? You can go enjoy it but I think it's dogshit, and that's fine and normal because it's one of her first.
FACT: all the conflicts in the story would be instantly resolved if Ashley actually listened to Andrew
FACT: Ashley is the worse sibling
FACT: Andrew is too nice to Ashley, she doesn't deserve him
Andrew apologists GET OUT
>Andrew... It's kinda your fault.
Reminder that Ashley cannot refute this
>>532183321Julia is trash
>>532182531>FACT: all the conflicts in the story would be instantly resolved if Ashley actually listened to Andrew But if she listened to Andrew back in episode 1 instead they would have died
>>532185680friend you realize that the person who wrote that did it to make people upset.
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>>532185920Sounds credible, but i feel inclined to believe that some ideas comes from a place of good faith but lesser understanding, at least at first.
Already page 6. Do i bake?
>>532187563are you retarded?
>>532187563Yeah, go ahead dude, give them hell
>>532187563go bake me some oat cookies, bitch
>>532186294anyone that's played through the whole of the game and seriously engaged with the characters put forth would never come to those conclusions
their lesser understanding couldn't exist within good faith because not engaging with the game is a sign of bad faith
if they're here and wasting other people's time with their half baked ideas they should be laughed out
Cannibalism is gross and Andrew should know better than to allow Ashley to partake in it.
>>532190191She does try to kill her for cooking the campers
>>532190278>SheTrandrew...
Better half ost and setting are so good bros, best atmosphere of all Nemlei games
https://youtu.be/UyESQLUdjUM
>>532191240I played Better Half recently, and the menu theme "Steady Enjoyment" get a nostalgic feeling out of me every time. What a nice little tale.
>>532190191She needs to do it more to fully develop her demon powers as a tar soul. Ashley was being completely literal when she said eating people makes her feel more powerful. The fact that it isn't allowed to happen in Shots and Such (Andrew puts his foot down and says no) is noteworthy.
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>>532193865??? would never stoop so low as to do something as menial as putting a straw in Ashley's drink. And it's not associated with many grasping hands like demon Ashley is.
>>532193865>>532194396I think that's a red herring and Ashley's "power" is more indicative of her level of self loathing and other mental problems stemming from such. And Andrew stopping her from eating more is a sign of him barely controlling her bad habit through disdain, like the end of chapter 2 where he's not impressed.
In a more literal sense it's not that act itself, but the mindset she has while doing it.
>>532195760>Mental illness is indicative of powerSeriously guys, what did Nemlei mean by this?
Ashley not Nina died in the crate and it's all just a dream
>>532197153She's a millennial.
>>532191240There's something about Better Half that's just its own. Like, the rest of Nemlei games either take place on some magical Wonderland, or in a "Nightmare Before Christmas" kind of world. Meanwhile, BH is this low bar metropolis, with renegade wizardry, accompanied with hip hop beats and a ice gray cool colors city lights. This entire urbanistic style ambientation around an story about depression made the experience feels so cozy and sweet in contrast.
>>532195760I interpret her cannibalising people is supposed to be symbolic to her throwing her humanity away, of which is part of what needs to be done in order to become a demon entity.
And in the story the trinket has become this vicious cycle of demanding more sacrfices for its power that it becomes arguably better to just throw it away.
It's just one of those days
You come home and see your 10/10 sister like pic related. What you doin?
>>532200215she already threw away any semblance of humanity away when she was a kid
she was totally chill with murdering Nina and even reiterates that she's glad she did it as an adult
Her killing and eating the people who have wronged her since her birth is more human than her doubling down on the most vile thing she's done
Also, the first time she engaged in cannibalism it was entirely justified and was the sole reason she even survived
>>532201402neither of my sisters are a 10/10
if I had a 10/10 sister then I'd have a fundamentally different life path so to determine what I would do would require understanding the kind of person I'd be in that scenario and that'd be way too detached from my current self to ever reasonably come to a sufficient determination on the matter
>>532201752Entities are cooler.
>>532201402Say hi and go upstairs to my room. The nicer my sister is with me, the more I realize that I don't know how to actually be a brother. It was easier when she hated me
Why Nemlei likes UP so much?
https://x.com/xia_side/status/1947431920469742063/photo/1
>>532201402Hahah you guys are weirdos
>>532201429Sure but the story does look to portray the continuation of using the trinket as this vicious cycle. They get into the mess in chapter 3 of having to retreat to the entity's dimension because they wanted to recharge it, and they have to recharge it because they used it. And in Shots and Such, Andrew questions the point of murdering their parents and sees it as just pointlessly appeasing Ashley and her never ending disatisfaction and doubt in him. And the little hints like Andrew burning the trinket and Ashley being a demon in a vision seem to hint the trinket maybe the problem.
Sure they were justified to eat the cultist corpse in the apartment, but eating their parents' corpses seems like just petty revenge. And she just tries to cook the campers corpses despite Andrew telling her that it's not a good idea.
Maybe throwing her humanity isn't the right term I'm looking for. Maybe it's supposed to represent gluttony. Of where at first she was starving and understandably ate from a corpse, but then she overindulges and eats the corpse of her parents for questionable reasons. And gluttony and overindulging would parallel with what the other aspects of her character does like how she insists to keep using the trinket for its powers and how she was starved for love and attention as a kid but tries to overindulge and exhaust Andrew as her only source of it.
Idk I'm just throwing shit that comes to my mind.
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>>532199679This right here is why Nemlei is such a fucking hack for debunking the Nemleiverse. Better Half is so much cooler if one imagines that its unsophisticated witchcraft underground came as a result of Andrew and Ashley's antics in the 2000's. Incidents like swathes of police simultaneously entering a comatose state would obviously be censored by the press, but smart cookies would still hear about it through the grapevine and do their research. From street murmurs and the underworld would a trinket science scene eventually emerge, with people like Lua being one of many hoping to profit off the highly illegal occult.
>>532203698I agree with your points but I definitely think you were wrong on the humanity part. I appreciate the clarification.
>>532204579>trinket scienceSo, like trinknology?
Is Episode 1 /calg/ back?
>>532208145Episode 1 /calg/ was way slower. Hell, Episode 2 /calg/ was way slower.
>>532201402Tickle her feet
>>532201931My little sister is autistic and really likes the Incredibles. Is your sister autistic, anon?
>>532211394>The IncrediblesIt's a good movie tho
>>532211394Your sister is incredible :)
>>532212768She really is, anon.
>>532130046Anon you better be getting drunk with her!
Do you think Julia will find out the truth in Burial?
>>532130046Idk man I took to heroin like a fish takes to water. Never got addicted to it though. Stopped chasing the dragon after a year and never had withdrawal. Never done it since either. Do look back on it fondly though.
>>532214663>Idk man I took to heroin like a fish takes to water. Never got addicted to it though
>>532215140Having willpower is a thing anon.
>>532215852My brother tried meth once and thought to himself "Wait a minute, I just had a hit, and I already want another one? Nah, this is the sort of thing that will fuck up my life". In that moment he instantly became sober and walked out of the traphouse.
>>532128539Ashley. At least Andrew isn't forced to work for a literal demon and steal souls for money
>>532215852>>532216825>doing drugsPsychos
Anyone else unable to upload images?
>>532200463How many kids would Andrew and Ashley want by the end of the game realistically?
>>532216825>In that moment he instantly became sober and walked out of the traphouse."And then everyone clapped."
Man, these people took my food from me
Then I robbed my mom's account
I got so much anger in me, got no way to take it out
Think I'm stuck you don't even
You don't even fucking know
Yes, I love incest, I like a ponytail on my bitch
The shit that I do with my sister
They telling me "Drew, don't do that"
How niggas can't see me in public?
I'm wearing a loose collar tag
With all of the money and sales
We still can't get new devlogs
With all of the money and sales
We still don't get Episode 4
Niggas see my visions
But don't see how I be feeling
So I became a delphic
Yeah, bitch, I'm the siscon
Nigga heil Nemlei
Nigga heil Nemlei
They don't understand the things I tell my sister
Nigga heil Nemlei
They don't understand the things I tell my sister
All my niggas delphic nigga heil Nemlei
Nigga heil Nemlei
Nigga heil Nemlei
All my niggas delphic nigga heil Nemlei
>>532218256I think the site died for a sec
>>532219509SSL handhsake kept failing when I tried to get captcha
>>532220758Yeah, that was the servers dying
>>532222531>Anon bought a 4chan pass
Stick
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Stick.
>>532222531Why the hell does she look so damn huggable to me? She's such a bitch, but yet I still want to embrace her. Am I cracked or something?
>>532222798I do have a job! That's why I won't give any money to Hiroshimoot. I had to earn that money, I'm not going to spend it on janny's salary when posting here is free.
>>532223372This small piece of wood killed Nina
Editfag post the deblurred version NOW
>>532222798I understand people not wanting to subsidize the absolutely abhorrent mismanagement of the site.
>>532218780Shit like this is why god isnโt answering our prayers.
>>532153216Exactly. I love my little sister and I want to make a baby with her when she gets older but I wouldnโt feel any romantic or sexual attraction to that child.
>>532213970If Julia ever becomes plot relevant enough to find out anything about their crimes, she would be dead.
Nemlei was just too lazy to do another ending of Shots and Such when Andrew kills Julia in Carl's apartment
>>532218780Nigga heil Nemlei!
>>532225902Is this shit gonna upload now?
If I get another cat I'm naming it Nemmies.
Nemlei needs to make more rape scenes
>>532230217You cannot imagine how much I wanted to name our current one after H.P. Lovecraft's cat.
>>532228863>>532230834How about "Cigarette"?
>>532231248No, she named it "Shadow" of all things. A black cat named Shadow? Really?
>>532232043Not even after the hedgehog, which would be cute autism-core, but just "Shadow" as in... well, a shadow. It's cringe, bussin't, and downright lame.
>>532201402SSNNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFF
>>532232715Feet don't smell nice
>do not reupload my art
bitch shut the fuck up, don't put it on the internet then
>>532234970You should be taste-testing your sister's tongue. For health reasons, of course.
>>532222798>>532223443I also wanted to buy a pass until I realized that fake moot doesn't want my money, he wants fake crypto monkey jpgs instead of money. It's not worth the hassle.
>>532128278 (OP)>The year of our Lord 2025>There still exist people who claim incest is only optional and marginal part of the gameAnd of course those faggots just had to invoke 'media literacy'
>>532234970Whenever I see that somebody has a bluesky, I automatically dismiss all their opinions. Imagine being such a faggot that you not only used twitter, but created a twitter purity spiral.
Anyone else here dgaf about the incest but just find andrew and ashley cute together?
>>532235356Incest won't be optional ever once I seize power.
>>532235356We HAVE to downplay the incest otherwise Visa & Mastercard are gonna send their death squad after Nemlei and her brotherhusband.
>>532235638Why did you do this to her :(
>>532235356Did you play Burial? "Never." is a 50-50 option for Ashley when she isn't afraid that Andrew will hurt her and she doesn't feel like she has to put out. It's such a definitive answer to his question, if she would've answered 'Uh, I don't think so...' it would've let the door open for incest in the friendship route but no. She made it definitive.
>>532235693Ashley doesn't care for much about seggs, yes. However still that doesn't stop Andrew from being, well, Andrew.
I didn't mean they will have seggs in every route, but incestuous tension is still an inseparable part that comprises their strange dynamic whichever route they follow
>>532236196Once Andrew discovers masturbation he'll get over it, alternatively he might cope if Ashley becomes secure enough to not feel threatened or even comment on him hooking up with random floozies.
>>532235693ALL roads lead to incest
Someone post the illusion of choice image
Ashley takes it up the ass
>>532238080A good little sister will let her shitpipe get cored out at least once in the pursuit of pleasing her brotherhusband.
>>532230595Need more Ashley raping Andrew
>>532239790Women can't rape men.
>>532240842Andrew may act like a woman but he is still a man
>>532241132What? It's true.
>>532240842what is the definition of rape
>>532241692Being unwilling and overpowered, something a woman can never do to a man. Even if he says he doesn't want it if he gets hard he wants it.
>>532241692Something about institutional power dynamics
>>532241801An inebriated man who is additionally pumped with viagra would be weak enough that a woman could overpower him, and hard regardless of whether he wants it.
>>532241959Why the viagra? He'd get hard anyway unless he has ED.
>>532227329>>532225902Made the lenses lighter
>>532242069So you're saying it's impossible for a man to refuse sex?
>>532242475From a woman? Yes. Although I've seen soft bottoms in gay porn, they were probably just tying to be useful by pleasing their man. Bitch brain behavior.
>>532242624You are a retard.
>>532242751Notice how you didn't call me wrong?
>>532242624>I've seen gay pornwhy
>>532242856You were unable to extrapolate the implied rejection of your statement's correctness, due to the fact you are a retard. I shall thus make it doubly clear: You are wrong, and a retard.
>>532242923I don't think that's what happened, I think you had an emotional reaction and lashed out without knowing why.
>>532242894Because he is a self-hating homosexual merely posturing as the spitting image of traditional male virility to wash away his sins.
>>532242894Why not?
>>532243071I'm a bisexual faggot.
>>532243151As anon said, self-hating homosexual
Men are way too gross to fuck, sorry guys
>>532241692Whatever definition i need in the courtroom at the moment.
>>532243253I just don't get along with most faggots because of their politics and flamboyancy, they're an embarrassment to be seen with in public. They're okay for a hookup though but nothing serious.
>>532243482Thank you Saul
>>532243672>i'm a based trad alpha male unlike the woke gay left.>anyway brb i'm going to have gay sex with strangersIt's always great to see the youth embracing conservative values.
>>532243919There's nothing I want to conserve about the current world, I'm a pic related kind of guy.
>>532244275No, you're a pic related kinda guy.
>>532244358You're not baiting me into a selfie. Stop.
>>532244358I don't care about whatever psy op you guys get into, i still want to kiss Thiu and embrace him in my arms.
>>532242624>Implying there has never been an unfuckable women This guy is fat
>>532246538I thought the exact same thing. Most women nowadays look and act like The Void from Candy Scabs.
>>532211394Nemlei is autistic
realistically what are andrew's kinks?
>>532235689She just fell in a cherry pie and covered her face of cake, is no big deal
>>532248739Ashley acting meek and passive
>>532167271She went for the sane route.
>>532251301>boiling some pasta>hard againSir doth protest too much.
Have you guys had success getting pussy by pretending to be the brother of bpd bitches?
Don't be mean to sisters.
Hug sisters.
>>532188170he doesn't look like that
Ashley's fun and she sucks
Some say Ashley is far left
Others say she is far right
The truth is that she is far ting (in my mouth)
Sisters be like: Onii-chan, you're my only friend!
Whatever, bitch, just lift those arms up
>>532234970Not only am I going to repost this, I am going to tell people that I made it
>>532265854I didn't knew that posting bestiality was allowed in this general. Figures.
>>532267120It's only bestiality if it's sexual
>>532267261I can see your intentions of wanting to drill this dirty pig clean, "anonymous"
>>532261784BUILT for horsecock
>>532261958make sure to edit out the signature
>>532267387It's a free country. I can drill all the piggies I want
>>532267583The similarities between sisters and cats are uncanny. In fact, I'm starting to think sisters ARE cats.
Do you guys actually do stuff like watch TV with your siblings, or is that just a Coffin thing?
>>532274070We do pic related in the living room. Doom scrolling.
>>532274070When we lived together we would hang out like that all the time. Now we just text and occasionally meet up to do stuff.
>>532234556Yes. Why ask retarded questions?
>>532235693sns proves that Ashley has a functioning sex drive and is capable of wanting sex if her barriers are broken down enough
you're seriously delusional if you think a single line would preclude her from ever having sex with her soulmate either way
everyone says never until it happens
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>>532235693>>532236196>>532236543In a world with only Andrew and Ashley there is always sex.
Word of god:
>>532276442So? It's not happening if Andrew doesn't make a move first and he's less likely than ever to do it in the never route, even SnSdrew as a drunk degenerate bum crawling on the floor had it in him to push Ashley away. He either gets off on denying himself like some sort of masochist or it's indeed pathological like he said in Decaying Along.
>>532276442SnS proves that Ashley craves cock, and everything she has to do is just go outside and fuck some cultist in the demon sex rave and everything will be alright
Ashley (not Leyley) will love her inbred kids.
>>532278481It's pathological. Absolutely insane how A&A are the sole Nemlian protagonists where most of their dismays are caused by their own stupidity and mentally ill behavior.
>>532279559Is your fault Bugley (No Beeley)... Don't fuck with my inbred stickleys dad, not you....
Average being in love with your sister experience
What is the objectively best ship of the Nemiverse?
>>532285845Ew, Andrew's a cutter?
>>532285926Is this Vivian and Thiu? I honestly prefer the romance between the Thius themselves.
Anyway, the higher romance for me has to be Marion and Jack.
>You shred away all my weakness, you're my equal.>Still, my heart. Have it Marion.
Imagine this... Ashley... but a mushroom...
https://x.com/LewisqR20473/status/1947353914992451844
>>532289238Equally shroomy Andrew
>>532285926Andrew and Ashley.
>>532286550I liked MarionxSylvester better desu
>>532278259This was quite clearly shown in the elope flashback, her childish view of sex meant she was only interested in it if she could be Andrew's one and only (and vice-versa).
Since he already had sex with Julia, she's completely disillusioned with it, to the point where it's only a tool of control for her, which at its extreme led to SnS.
This makes me wonder though, in burial she has far more trust in Andrew, but the sane route is where it seems she has the most trust, since she doesn't even need to put sex on the table to control him, as opposed to the questionable route, where she still has that idea.
I imagine this is where the conflict will be in the questionable route.
Even so, it's hard to imagine Ashley refusing Andrew if it came to it, so it sounds uncharacteristic for her to say "never", specially after seeing the dream, maybe that's what the sane route will explore?
She still needs to grow up either way, enjoying sex isn't the taboo she thinks it is, and she did seem to be enjoying it in the dream.
>>532281354>>532292470Why do you post these thumbnails every thread?
>>532291543"Never" is the answer Andrew wants her to give. Her saying that doesn't mean he stops wanting it, or that she doesn't want it. We also know Andrew (correctly or not) thinks she's trying to manipulate him when she comes on to him, be it as a teenager, in Questionable Burial (caging the Green rabbit,) or in Decay. It's only in Cliffhanger where she's honest with him and wins some trust that he's willing to be romantic with her. Sane Burial could be the same.
>>532274070It depends. We'll watch tv together or just lay on the couch on our phones, or rather she's on her phone and I just sort of relax and enjoy her company. I think we play vidya more often than marathoning shows now since television sucks.
>>532294219Naruhodo. I'm only asking because I'm alone with my sister for a few days and idk if hanging out together like Andrew and Ashley does is a normal thing or if it'd be weird for me to ask
>>532286131Ashley cuts him
>>532294774Follow the golden rule: don't think too hard about shit. Most interactions that are weird is because the person approaches it with the mentality of a robot following a script. Ironically, the only way to stop being perceived as weird (negative) is to stop caring about what is and is not weird for the most part. Obviously a bit of moderation is key, don't go to the grocery store in a fursuit or some shit like that, but if you're worried about if somebody will think you're weird for asking to hang out with them then you're overthinking shit.
>>532291175>make baby>purposely don't allow yourself to get attached until the age of 2-3>meanwhile check for signs of retardation>if yes offer soul>if ??? doesn't want the soul, blender>make another baby
>>532298140>Elaborate.Have you guys had successful vaginal intercourse by pretending to be the brother of bpd bitches?
>>532292704Fair enough, though it has to be said, her complex with sex still is very latent in every scenario so far.
As hinted in SnS, Andrew solving his own issues with LU's therapy session is the first step to solving Ashley's, so Chapter 4A should be about that.
>as a teenagerThat one seemed to me as the only time she was being genuine and not manipulative with him.
>>532299978>That one seemed to me as the only time she was being genuine and not manipulative with him.Which is also why it was insanely hot.
>>532299337How might pretending to be the brother of a BPD bitch aid in getting pussy?
Brothers should be chained
Are you guys excited for the devlog on August 1?
>>532294774It's weird if you think it's weird. It's no big deal if you think it's no big deal. Choose.
>>532286520I like the idea that Thiu is a tokufag
>>532292685The same reason why he dump all his image folder every single thread.
>Who knows.
>>532295330>>532306589I failed you guys. We got in the pool together and her and I talked a bit but I got too nervous and shut down. I hardly said anything to her. Dealing with her was so much easier before I started playing this game because she hated me and I could ignore her. Now, I get it in my head that I'm literally Andrew and I try talking to her but she talks back and I don't know what to do
>>532308338>We got in the pool togetherIs she hot
>>532308338why do you think you're Andrew
>>532308803The game literally says so
>>532308338>Now, I get it in my head that I'm literally Andrew and I try talking to her but she talks back and I don't know what to doAnon, you won't get the memo for any other user in this thread, so i will cut it down for you. You actually know what to do, but you're pretending and warming up to the moment you decide that you will do exactly that. This world and your life is all in your mind.
>>532309084Real answer please
>>532308596I guess, yeah
>>532309093I am NOT having sex with my sister. She is a girl and girls deeply intimidate me
>>532310776>I am NOT having sex with my sister. She is a girl and girls deeply intimidate meThen have it that way then, no big deal. See how simple it is?
>>532305286Two more weeks!
>>532310776>I am NOT having sex with my sisterNo no, you're not having sex with your sister *yet*
>>532312612Her arm reach just fine across the distance between her and Andrew on the first panel. I don't know what was so hard about just editing the render enough to got the image right, they even bothered with the background, and the bed, and shit.
>>532312612>tfw this is all it would've taken for everything to be okay
>>532314024It should be doug in the hologram, considering that him and her died for her mistakes.
I'm starting to think Nemlei based Doug's design off of me.
Stay out of /wtg/ you niggers
>>532310776>She is a girl and girls deeply intimidate meThat's fixable. You probably shouldn't try to your sister though.
>>532317124Brothers not cuddling their cute sisters is directly contributing to the collective hand-wringing of countless coin aerodynamics enthusiasts.
>>532318797On the contrary, it is people destroying their healthy family bonds by unnatural imposition of eros upon them that pleases the metal disk smoothing enthusiast.
>>532319590How can eros destroy family bonds when it is necessary to create families?
>>532319590>cuddles>erosCuddling doesn't have to be sexual, and child-rape-blackmail-ring enjoyers want people so paralyzed by fear of appearing such that they don't form such close relationships.
>>532319682Blood relations don't have the same type of relationship as family by marriage
>>532319986This
>>532317124 was the post you disagreed with.
>>532321140>Blood relations don't have the same type of relationship as family by marriageThat's just dodging the question. Why does romantic and/or erotic love inherently ruin a familial relationship when it's foundational for almost all other relationships?
>>532319590There is zero reason not to fuck your family. If you already believe that your bond is eternal then there should be nothing stopping you or them.
>>532321620You are like a man asking why your horse can't run on gasoline like your car does. That's not what it's for. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree that a sexual dimension to a parent-child relationship is inappropriate even in adulthood, why is that a problem but between siblings it's fine?
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>>532321620People nowadays are scared shitless of true intimacy and think that sex is this forbidden act of rebellion and that sexuality is confined to fucking instead of the beauty of expression that can nourish the human experience when embraced. The reason why Nemlei stories are so nice is because in despite of whatever bizarre context these stories happen, the characters come together from a place of love. If anyone want to have meaningful bonds to other people of close kin, it's important to stop being afraid about the beauty of nature.
>>532323203>That's not what it's forAsserting absurdities without justifying them might work on /pol/, but /calg/ is an intellectual thread. You cannot justify your claim beyond "i read it somewhere and assumed it was true"
>>532323203you can arbitrarily designate what is or isn't right but that doesn't change reality
a horse can't run on gasoline but any relationship can endure and even benefit from sex
there's nothing wrong with adding sex to a parent-child relationship either
>>532323402You haven't justified your claim that it's fine either, you just assume for no clear reason that your position is the default I have to disprove when if anything it's the opposite.
>>532323678>nonceOpinion discarded.
>>532325508this is 4chan lol
you can discard my opinion and I can discard yours
nobody here should take you seriously if you don't approve of fucking children
this is a loli/shota website
>>532325508Right here
>>532319590, you claim that eros destroys healthy family bonds.
But whatever, man, I know you can't actually back this up with reason. If you could, you would've rather than trying to desperately dodge the question or assign responsibility to others. You probably read online that outbreeding is based and tradpilled while incest was Jewish and you've been drinking that Kool-Aid ever since.
Unless you're going to make a reasoned case, you are a faggot.
>>532326035>coming onto your sister won't wreck your relationship with her! Prove that it will!Whatever dude. And you call me dishonest.
Floozin' hard or hardly floozin'?
>>532326035Seriously. Thereโs a reason why Ashley is the protagonist and not JEWlia (just typing that filthy brother stealing hussyโs name makes me sick)
>>532328063More like "hard pass".
Ashley has bpd and is a psychopath
Andrew is a narcissist and sociopath
Renee is a narcissist
Douglas is a spineless loser
>>532329218ashley is textbook narcissist she doesn't care about anyone but herself even the care she shows toward andrew is mostly just centered around his capacity to serve as her Andy
>>532128278 (OP)I can't believe BITCHley just tried to kick him in the face...
>>532331302This. But at this point, is not about what the common sense wants, but about the fact that Ashley is everything Andrew wants, even against his better judgement. Also, Ashley is not that bad, she serves and does the best for what she knows and for what she have left, and Andrew would gladly take that and even less just to have her.
>>532314628*Doug
*he and she
Nice try, nonwhite-kun, but sadly that's incorrect.
>>532332323>but sadly that's incorrectHow so?
>>532333830NTA but the trick is to remove the other people and see if the pronouns still make sense. Him died for her mistakes? I think not, HE died for her mistakes
>>532323402Why tripfaggotry?
>>532335636It's an /sp/ thing I forgot to remove. Please ignore it
>>532312612And in the third panel she starts slowly lowering Andy's head towards her crotch...
>>532336310WRONG! And so Anon started slowly lowering his head into the gallows so he can fucking die!
>>532319986Exactly. I tried to explain that to my parents recently. They think itโs weird that a grown man cuddles with his 14 year old sister like guys relax I was interested in her way before she turned 14
Being Andrew is too hard. I'm going to be Andy. Is there any reason I shouldn't just do whatever my sister says? It's way easier than arguing
>>532339962You don't get to fuck your sister in that route.
>>532341125I won't get to in any
There are only two tragedies in life: not getting what you wantโand getting it.
>>532344238Thanks for the wisdom 3 question marks
Things that would never work but it's nice
>>532344238Fuck off ???, I'm not buying.
>>532346736He's right. My sister used to hate me, and I considered that a tragedy. Now she doesn't hate me and I miss when she used to.
>>532346934Don't worry, your brain just hasn't caught up to the fact sisters are cute yet.
>>532347780It's not that I'm annoyed or anything, it's just that I don't know how to interact with her anymore. My sister used to hate me, genuinely hate me. She said as much and it wasn't a tsundere thing, she really didn't like me. Well, a few days ago my parents left us waiting in a coffee shop and my sister bought some girly drink full of sugar. Naturally, as her brother, I asked for a sip; and she, as my little sister, said no. So, I told her that if I could have just one sip, I wouldn't talk to her for the rest of the day. I said that genuinely expecting she'd pounce on the offer. Instead, she said "why do you think I'd want that?"
It's a small thing, but that's basically been how we interact these days. Yesterday, I was watching a movie and she came and sat next to me even though there were many other seats available. I just don't get it. I don't know how to interact with her anymore. It's not necessarily that I want her to hate me, it's just that I know what to do when she does. It's familiar
Sorry, this is really rambley. The truth is, I've been wanting to talk about it for a while, but always felt bad about bringing it up. It's just that I've spent so long in these threads trying to get her to like me, and I did it just because it was a Coffin thing, if that make sense. Now, she doesn't hate me; and I realize that the only thing worse that not getting what I want is getting it.
>>532348243It was a bit memey but I stand by what I said. You also make it sound like she suddenly started being a lot nicer to you which means she's making an effort to improve your relationship just like you did. It's perfectly understandable to feel a bit off balance but you'll get used to the idea of being friends with your sister soon if you let yourself.
I wouldn't expect an apology though, she is still a woman after all.
>>532332118>Ashley is not that badDid you play the game? She's only not that bad if you're willing to isolate yourself and become antisocial for her.
>>532348243New things are always uncomfortable. That's a rule of life. Try talking to her, normally and organically when the circumstances allow. It can be about anything, really. Acclimatise with baby steps. She's not just your sister, she's your friend. And friends take time to find their stride together. If you're struggling to get used to having her around, then tell her that and be honest that there are times you want to push her away because it's easier than getting used to being on good terms with her. If you want her to help you overcome that, then ask her to. Even if over the phone, you have to communicate.
>>532351353You're very much correct. People would rather wallow in familiar misery than gamble on pursuing better, I would argue probably due to some subconscious fear it will make things worse for them. People will sit and grow mold in conditions they can tolerate, because they're acclimated to that level of shittiness. One must strive to become more delphic, to love cute sisters as easily as one breathes.
>>532348243>"why do you think I'd want that?"All this means is that you talking to her isn't a big enough problem to where she has to bribe you to shut up, that doesn't mean she likes you though.
>>532309084I don't why but this made me kind of realize something: perhaps concerningly as a straight male, I relate to Ashley the most out of anyone in this game. I at one point in my youth was universally despised by my peers for being loud, weird, and annoying. And felt as if literally everyone in my life had failed me without actually giving me a chance. It also took my awhile to realize my parents were the crux of the problem. Unlike her, I didn't really take solace in another family member since none of them were close to my grade level and didn't go to the same schools. All things considered, I mellowed out eventually and turned into a functioning (albeit broken) member of society.
>>532354406TL;DR I'm sorry that happened to you or I'm happy for you. Whatever. Now stop blogging.
>>532354406Would act like Ashley if you had a hot older sister that looked out for you?
>>532344238??? gud boy dindu nuffin
>>532361947We should fix the grammar on some of these.
>>532234970
>>532354406A lot of words to just simply say that you need a good dicking. Nothing wrong with that tho.
>>532356045I already do
I want a YOUNGER sister
>>532362050Mild chinglish in art has soul.
AU pink eyes Andrew is 10x douchier and more manipulative than regular Andrew.
>>532348243>sister is friendly>this is a problemThe fuck's your problem?
>>532364424Greedy Tar Soul...
>>532366243Larping as Andrew for this general amusement is a hell of a drug
>>532366353Pretty sure some of us are just that autistic.
>>532366247How is that greedy
How am i supposed to fuck an older sister of 15 years. She was married before i even hit puberty. Now a little sister i could bully and cherish. You see the problem here
There is nothing hotter than grabbing a lady from there
>>532366442>15 yearsOkay that's extreme kek and I thought my age gap with my sister was huge
>>532366740You can see the emotional and physical strain she puts on him in his eyes
>>532331302I guess thatโs true, I just see bpd as more prominent in her. All the Graves are pretty narcissistic except Douglas
>>532354406I get it. Coffin makes me wish I was a woman but I can't bring that up here because I don't mean that in a tranny or AGP way. I'm just jealous of them
>>532367169Nonsense! That's just a black eye. Which he got by hitting his face somewhere or something, hell if I keep track of them.
>>532362453It's a great quote, it's from Oscar Wilde. It's about how hard people are to please and how self-contradictory we can be. Often, people don't really know what they want. They may have a vague fuzzy idea, but the real thing rarely matches up to the ideal. Life is all about making compromises, nobody ever gets exactly what they thought they would. So, not getting what you want is a tragedy because you're being denied, but it's nice because you have that goal and that idea of what you want. However, getting what you want is also a tragedy because it's so often disappointing.
You're not Andrew enough if you don't get it
>>532350361>>532351353Thanks anons. I'm just not used to having friends, I guess
>>532352815She used to jump at any chance for me to leave her alone.
>>532366243Anon, I have unironically been pretending to be Andrew for years, mostly for the enjoyment of /calg/. I've been doing things for her purely because I thought it was "A /calg/ thing to do", if that makes sense. Her actually warming up to me was ostensibly the goal, but I wasn't actually expecting it
>>532371254You're jealous because you are a failure of a man that wants to be passive in life and coddled by everyone, unfortunately there's no such thing as unconditional love for men and that's not a big deal either because people are very loving. This day and age showing the slightest interest in someone will endear them to you.
>>532371865>She used to jump at any chance for me to leave her alone. Ah, she must've felt guilty for treating her family that way.
>>532371983>You're jealous because you are a failure of a man that wants to be passive in life and coddled by everyone, unfortunately there's no such thing as unconditional love for menBasically, yeah. Being a woman seems like it'd be so easy, whereas being a man is doing a bunch of difficult and annoying shit all the time "because you have to, okay". So excuse me if I don't exactly warm to the idea. If I had the option of dressing up cute and looking pretty and having sex all day, I'd take it. Being a man fucking sucks
But this is threatening to become dangerously off-topic, which is why I try not to bring it up. So I'll leave it here
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>>532371647>Life is all about making compromises, nobody ever gets exactly what they thought they would. So, not getting what you want is a tragedy because you're being denied, but it's nice because you have that goal and that idea of what you want. However, getting what you want is also a tragedy because it's so often disappointing.Self defeatism pessimistic loser cope. Only people who never get shit done say crap like this.
>You're not Andrew enough if you don't get itThanks god.
>>532372920>Self defeatism pessimistic loser cope. Only people who never get shit done say crap like this.Anon, it's a term coined by a Victorian playwright. What did you expect? Oscar Wilde is actually one of the most famous Gothic writers of all time, which makes his work quintessentially Coffin
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>>532373384>Anon, it's a term coined by a Victorian playwright. What did you expect? Nothing at all, it just fucking sucks. Nemleian tales are all about characters fulfilling ideals, even in the mist of tragedies and sadness. It doesn't fit at all because everything they desire comes from pure love, and what you do in love is everlasting. That doomer cope can be true for some, but it's such a bottom of the barrel level of truth that it may be as well be a lie at this point.
>>532373963>Nemleian tales are all about characters fulfilling ideals, even in the mist of tragedies and sadnessNonsense, SnS is the perfect embodiment of what Wilde was talking about. All Andrew has ever wanted was to get over his Nina guilt, escape prosecution, and have Ashley all to himself. For 22 years he suffered the tragedy of not getting it. Then, at the end, his greatest tragedy suffered was getting it. He has everything he wants, but none of it is right. He escapes his guilt (of all things) by becoming a drunk, he escapes the law by living in a slum, and has the wrong Ashley.
It's Wildean, Kafkaesque, Shakespearean cinema, etc.
>>532372891If you were a woman, then you would complain about your shortcomings and lacks as a girl then. All these notions comes from your own conclusion inside of insufficiency and lack of resolve, and it's blinding you from seeing the truth and embracing your opportunities to grow. Get a grip.
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>>532374857>Nonsense, SnS is the perfect embodiment of what Wilde was talking about.I don't see the contradiction between what i stated and this assessment, because that ending is not fulfillment at all. If you feel miserable, and KNOW that this is not your ideal, then where is the "nonsense"? Andrew hurt Ashley, didn't make love properly, throw his life away, put up with existing instead of living, none of them grew, none of them accepted who they were; in shorter words, it was not ideal. That's like showing me the "Kings End" or "Full Timer" JiaC endings and telling me "See? See? I told you, missery is A FACT". He has everything he wants but none of it is right? Then he doesn't have it, because that's not it. Is as simple as that, but alas, we see what we want to see, until we have enough and decide to see the truth, and go for something greater.
What are you to fags actually on about. This is a game for fucking your sister and killing your parents. Quit making up themes and talking about dead poetry writers like some middle school girl
>>532375756>This is a game for fucking your sister and killing your parents.Based secondary outsider
>>532375471You said " It doesn't fit at all because everything they desire comes from pure love", but it does fit perfectly. I'm not sure how else to lay it out other than what I showed. SnS is like an exercise in what Wilde was talking about. And I never said "misery is a fact", I'm sure some endings will be less miserable than others. But it's true that the only ending we have so far is a miserable one.
>He has everything he wants but none of it is right? Then he doesn't have it, because that's not it.That's... the POINT. That's what Wilde was talking about! People work so hard to get what they want, but when they get it they realize they don't actually want it. What they wanted in their minds and what they worked so hard to get end up being different things, but they only realize that after having it.
Don't Andrew and Leyley kind of have different ideals of each other? From Andrew's perspective he desires Ashley and hates Leyley. He wants an Ashley that sees him as an equal and doesn't betray his trust. And if we're to assume Ashley's proposal to elope with him in the flashback represents her ideal with Andrew, it kind of aligns with his and doesn't really contradict.
However we do know that a sticking point of the game is how the protagonists adopt alternative personas that represent the uglier flaws of them. It's literally the title of the game. Of how Leyley is constantly testing her brother and will never be satistified, or how she only wants Andy.
So how would this interact with how Wilde sees tragedy.
>>532376289>That's... the POINT. That's what Wilde was talking about! People work so hard to get what they want, but when they get it they realize they don't actually want it. What they wanted in their minds and what they worked so hard to get end up being different things, but they only realize that after having it.The thing is that the quote you posted implies a "Against the wall and the sword" situation where having unfulfilled ideals is a reason for sadness, but that fulfillment is also intrinsically tragic?. This is why i think this quote in particular (I never read Wilde) is a cope, from the point of view of someone that never ever tried achievement for himself, and as i said:
>People see what they want to see.The way i see it, is this: When you fulfill what you want, and accomplish what you set out to do, you enjoy yourself on that spot until you're ready for more, and move to the next. Life becomes an endless adventure! Excitement, things to learn, to discover, opportunities to grow. You see a vast range of things in this beautiful world, and what it seemed like an overwhelming burden, is actually an atlas of dreams, where you unite dream and day. This is why i mean that people that don't even set forth towards the new eden, thinking that the earth is flat (That your dreams are destined to bring you sorrow) say platitudes like this to shelter themselves from the endless possibilities. At the end of the day, it all comes down to choice, and if that is your conclusion, well... That's yours, have it.
>Those who restrain their desires, do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained. He who desires, but acts not, breeds pestilence. (William Blake)
>>532376834Andy and Leyley are their regressive sides, their pathologies that undermine and endanger their most important bonds, the whole thing is these ideals are extremely harmful, but neither they don't know how to overcome them.
Ashley is making more progress in Cliffhanger, but Nemlei hasn't really shown us an answer for Andrew yet(which I assume is because Decay is Andrew centric, I imagine Burial will be the opposite, where it's Andrew making side-gress, and whether it comes out as good or bad will be up to Ashley's choices who's spining her wheels).
>>532376834>So how would this interact with how Wilde sees tragedy.It'd reinforce how avoiding tragedy is impossible. Andrew and Ashley both suffer by not getting what they want, but both cannot get what they want at the same time. Each wants the other's happiness, but each siblings idea of how the other must act for their personal happiness conflicts with the other siblings idea of how they should act for their own happiness, if that makes sense.
>>532377106>When you fulfill what you want, and accomplish what you set out to do, you enjoy yourself on that spot until you're ready for more, and move to the next. Life becomes an endless adventure!Wilde would probably say that you never truly accomplish what you set out to do. However, you also just have a happier disposition that him. Wilde was a playwright, a Victorian, and Irish. He's like Schopenhauer. Pessimism is a theme of gothic literature (and being British)
>>532376834>Don't Andrew and Leyley kind of have different ideals of each other?If they were honest about themselves, they would realize that they could only move forward is they accept who they are instead of circumventing around it, and being blinded by the past. After giving some thought, Decay and Burial reveal that most of their dismay is self affliction: Either Andrew refusing to move on (doubting), or Ashley refusing to move on (not accepting the coming of age), causing all sort of trouble for their own idiocity. Probably later on, on Cliffhanger, Andrew will have the final word, and we may see him with the same carefree disposition that we see in Burial, but this time, laid in his own resolve, maturing and moving on. Overall, i think their ideals get along nicely; is their own lack of conviction that is holding them back, because their inner strains are mutually exclusive.
>>532373963NTA, but SnS and Splat! embody that Wilde quote very well. To never come to love one another due to (inter)personal failings is tragic, but coming to love one another as in the aforementioned endings and overall story branch is just as, if not more tragic because while they get what they want, it comes at a price. Splat! is poetic in that they achieve this only by total capitulation of themselves as individuals to become one in soul and action, figuratively and literally, expressed and driven exlcusively by hurtling out the window with total, unquestioning trust and compassion in and for one another. The anon above put it better than I could and I don't want to spend ten more minutes typing.
>>532377106It is not that fulfilment is intrinsically tragic, it's that fulfilment gives way to more desires, or comes with a sacrifice such as, but not limited to fundamental personal change, with which, your goals and desires also will (and in this case would scuttle the other protagonist's own desire, as the Ashley whom Andrew fell for and craves would literally no longer exist, and vice versa). The tragedy in that is self-evident. See your own sentence about enjoyment of the moment and constant adventure, you're almost there, but I fear your demonstrable ESLness (and dare I say, wogness) is hindering your ability to properly engage with the Wilde quote and comprehend what the other anon is presenting.
I can't play this game nor discuss it. It reminds me too much of my mother.
Andrew behaves like my mother.
>>532380445>tfw anon agrees with you
>>532364989>herro, Andru.
>>532381252Ming Dynasty pussy got me acting unwise
Leyley sings a song
https://files.catbox.moe/9fw370.mp4
>>532381798I can think of two Chinese siblings that are Coffin coded.
>>532380445>See your own sentence about enjoyment of the moment and constant adventure, you're almost there, but I fear your demonstrable ESLness (and dare I say, wogness) is hindering your ability to properly engage with the Wilde quote and comprehend what the other anon is presenting.I think it mostly comes down to philosophical differences between us, as well as the truth beyond conventional knowledge. I threat life as a dream, not as a nightmare, and as the other anon pointed out, Wilde was a Gothic author, and Gothic fiction is founded in the sense of hopelessness, personal darkness, and fears embodied in all kind of supernatural beings that represents themes as such. Lack, limitation, obstruction, and bondage, your identity sense is laid on your shadows, and makes you come across all kind of conclusions about life that confirms exactly those aspects, but darkness is nothing on its own, it's only the absence of light, is not the complete truth. See how we appreciate the same story, but we come to different conclusions about it. Something partial is not the full essence of it, and if there is something missing, where's the full picture? This is how i feel about those endings, and i feel reassured when Nemlei remarks that there is something that could be better at that point, but that such route is not quite there yet, which mean the ideal is not realized just yet. Is a consistent theme across Nemlei works to reach a dream, and the only thing that the characters needed to leave behind is the false notion that you need a world affirming you, when all that you need to do is to decide, because there is not world separated from your own mind.
>>532381912It's just.... so..... so peak...................
>>532382079>I treat life as a dream, not as a nightmareI SEE MY DREAMS UNFOLD, NIGHTMARES COME TRUE
IT WAS TIME TO MARRY THE GAME AND I SAID "YEAH, I DO"
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>>532380445There also worth mentioning that the core aspect of the original quote is this part right here:
>because while they get what they want, it comes at a price.This is an illusory conflict, because as i laid out, if there is something missing, you're did not get it! This is not seeing the full picture: Would you see just one line in your checkbook to conclude your finances? Also there is no reason why coming across that point in time should be a reason of discouragement. There was an anon who suggested that even after S&S, eventually the failed marriage stage play will bore them out, and would eventually do better off screen, even if they never grew, and never matured, they can salvage what they can, but anons were already pre-disposed to "the worst that could happen, it happens". Take your worst nightmare and multiply it tenfold, now take your greatest dream and do it as well, they are part of the same substance of reality. Trust the plan, there is not a single Nemlei game that doesn't give the protagonist what they wanted in full, an ideal best of their own in some form or another, where the things they let go were all along the very same things that were holding them back, and nothing of value was lost, you only do what you love.
>>532382998NTA but the saying predates Wilde, he just popularized it
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2019/08/11/two-tragedies/
> I congratulate you, my dear fellow. In this world there are only two tragedies. One is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it. The last is much the worst, the last is a real tragedy! . . .However, what's survived the test of time is just the two sentences
>>532379974Decay actually shows Ashley doesn't really have problems with growing up, it's just that it has to make sense for her, she's fine dropping the childish adventures in favor of marriage if she understands it's what Andrew wants, she only clings onto it because she's working under flase belief he was happy back then.
I think Ashley's problem comes down to her inability to show vulnerability.
She's been conditioned to adopt the Leyley persona, the foolhardy version of herself with no visible cracks in the armor that anyone could take advantage of, and she becomes worse the more she's hurt.
This makes her emotionally unavailable in the ways that Andrew needs from her, she can't acknolwedge her faults and misdeeds in how they hurt him, even though the guilt gnaws at her.
She hates herself for it but she can't open up, at least not so far.
For Andrew, it's his lack of faith in Ashley from her betrayals that lead to him being unable to trust her, and he feels like opening up to her again is just letting her tear apart more of him in the proccess, as she already has.
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>>532383543Partial truths, such a pessimism vindication of life in the absence of the full picture, is something part of any point across time and space, and in every culture that existed, exist and will exist, no matter the time or the place. Those ideas are laid out by individuals, and if convenient, adopted by the collective, and its mostly motivated by feelings, but our feelings are not facts, because the truth is that which does not change, and you are in a world that is in constant change. There's all sort of possibilities and experiences that in one way or the other, will only confirm what you already know and decided regarding life (Half full, half empty vase of water). But the best part of the truth, is that you don't have to believe in anything, you can just know the facts, know that (You) are the single common factor of every experience and every idea, and that being aware of it, having faint notions and ideas, even the act of sympathy, requires your imagination, and then accepting what you imagine as a fact, and so what you say your world is, that it becomes. This knowledge have an organizing power in your life so wonderful, that you can't help it and see love in everything, and suddenly, you realize everything that's possible. You don't even have to do anything, just be who you are.
>"To see a World in a Grain of Sand, And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand, And Eternity in an hour."
>>532384214You're right, those are the times she's nostalgic about and are also special to her because she thinks Andrew felt the same. Her latest happy memory was at Renee's new house so it's not like she hated the present.
>>532382079>I threat life as a dream, not as a nightmareIt's not about how you treat life, it's about how life is treated and presented within the game itself. There will likely be an ending (or multiple) where the outlook is positive, but it will not do such a 180 as you suggest with your above posts, nor is there any indication of a positive change in overture throughout the game as stands.
>Something partial is not the full essence of itThen for Andrew and Ashley, this will be impossible. For either of them to reach total fulfilment in this sense, as other anon has again pointed out and as presented throughout the game until this point, it will be simultaneously impossible for the other to do so. Their ideal outcomes totally contradict one another and are built upon falsehoods, facades, and lies. To compromise is it introduce tragedy, as they may get what they want (each other), but not in the form they initially envisioned (as they must fundamentally change to do so). Your logic is circular, you have given no supporting evidence aside from games removed entirely from Coffin. Please invest in better critical thinking skills, duolingo (free!) and a dictionary, my dearest ESL-kun. Your claims of cope have turned into your own.
>when all that you need to do is to decideThat is not true fulfilment in the sense that you have been speaking of, and again, fits what Wilde wrote to the letter.
>>532382998>you're did not get it!Then how does one achieve that without fundamentally changing either themselves or their objective? They cannot, because again, their objectives totally contradict one another. They can, and will change, the cliffhanger, the Andy/Andrew and Burial/Decay splits each demonstrate this process to varying degrees. As above, they may indeed find happiness and fulfilment in the future, but it will not and can not be as envisaged, and will require them to change, for better or for worse. See you next thread.
>>532385854>Please invest in better critical thinking skillsI prefer to leave you at this. Feel free to think about it or not, it's just the same, and it's not my work to sell you my worldview, i'm alright with being a "fool", maybe there's is fulfillment for others in being a fatalistic intellectual and seeing in shades of grey, but its not for me.
W-Wow, Anondrew, you sure know a lot about Wilde. You're really smart
>>532388334Dont encourage this behavior. He is mentally unwell and should have his internet taken awake so he can be more like whatever fantasy is in his head
>>532386549>my worldviewThen don't try to impress your personal worldview upon a game that has already very clearly violated it. Personally I don't think that true fulfilment is impossible, but in regards to Coffin (which is not real life), the core story beats, our antiheroes' behaviour, their decisions (at points of divergence), current endings, and their changes to these points, directly contradict the true fulfilment as you postulate to be infinitely possible. My personal perspective on life, happiness, and wants are not the same as those artists present in their works.
>>532382427I really did marry this game..
Pour up (Flooz), head shot (Flooz)
Sit down (Flooz), stand up (Flooz)
Pass out (Flooz), wake up (Flooz)
Faded (Flooz), faded (Flooz)
>>532354406I'm a guy but Ashley is one of the few female characters who is literally me (the others being Samus Aran and Iwakura Lain).
>>532397412>He's still hereTake me back to pre-Episode 3 /calg/ anon..
https://files.catbox.moe/w5gzoi.mp4
>>532374857what he wants is marriage with Ashley but instead he gets marriage with Leyley
he didn't get what he wanted objectively and that's why he hates his life
you're retarded
>>532371647life is about making compromises if you're life's bitch
>>532399330>That's... the POINT. That's what Wilde was talking about! People work so hard to get what they want, but when they get it they realize they don't actually want it. What they wanted in their minds and what they worked so hard to get end up being different things, but they only realize that after having it.
>watch Amagami
>imouto is only given one episode
>is still best girl my a country mile
>they even give her the titledrop
Little sisters cannot be stopped
>>532399947Andrew didn't work to marry Leyley. He settled for marriage with Leyley after he came to believe that it was his only option.
Throughout the whole of the shoot route Andrew is coming to terms with his understanding that he will never get what he wants. He either rejects this by killing himself or embraces it and decides to enjoy what shit life he does have.
Andrew didn't work hard to marry Leyley before realizing that he wanted Ashley. There was no revelation after their marriage where he realized that this isn't what he wanted. The quote is completely inapplicable because his situation fundamentally lacks that realization.
>>532397412silence faganon
>>532397412You need a certain type of female brain to be literally Ashley.
Imagine having THESE older sisters.
https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1753294830955112.webm
>>532404284Here
https://files.catbox.moe/q5jina.webm
>>532404375should be raped and hanged
>>532401789>Andrew didn't work to marry LeyleyAll Andrew has ever wanted was to have Ashley to himself. He works so goddamn hard to get what he wants, but only when he gets it does he realize it's not what he wants at all. Andrew wanted to monopolize Ashley, it's what he worked towards. But he failed to realize that his attempts to monopolize Ashley encouraged Leyley.
You keep saying "it's not what Andrew actually wanted" without realizing that the tragedy of getting what you want is that you don't actually want it. It's Nemleian
Ashley WILL unconsciously truma dump on her kids.
If she sees her daughter with many colorful hair pins she'll tell her to take them off or else everyone will think shes loud and annoying and stupid.
>>532406119That's not trauma dumping, that's just traumatizing your imaginative daughter. There goes another art prodigy!
>>532399330>doesnโt want LeyLeySome men are simply fools, anon
>>532405309>to have Ashley to himself.He wanted Ashley. He got Leyley. He wanted an apple, he got an orange, and he knew all the while that he was getting an orange. You don't understand the quote.
>>532409506You can get Leyley by becoming a parent, no need to infantilize your partner.
>>532409830Differentiating Ashley and Leyley is a useful characterization device, but Ashley Graves is Ashley Graves
Why isn't there a mod about andrew brutally torturing ashley
>>532410219yeah but if you don't understand the distinction then your words are semantically correct but wrong spiritually which is the whole point of the fucking quote
andrew wanted an equal and he got a scared shy little bitch
that's a fact
>>532410565Andrew worked all his life to have Ashley, but once his efforts bore fruit, he realized that all his efforts ended up getting him something similar but not quite right
That's the point
>>532410490Because he isn't sadistic and doesn't want to hurt Ashley.
>>532411156>he isn't sadisticTell that to the camper kid
>>532411212He finished the kid quickly.
>>532411212i will, cus he's alive
>>532411212Not only was it optional, the game does not prompt you to kill him.
All these words just to say the obvious: Ashley isn't worth having.
>>532411469>Ashley isn't worth havingprotected sex with
>>532410704it got him something fundamentally different
this realization happened before the events of this story even began
the story is just him coping with it
>>532411212It was in self defense
>>532411854>it got him something fundamentally differentLeyley is not fundamentally different from Ashley, they are literally the same person. Leyley is the worst parts of Ashley, but she's still Ashley. I genuinely think the Leyley/Ashley dichotomy is leading some of you to think they're wholly separate personas like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
If you can't understand that the tragedy of getting what you want is that it's NOT actually what you want, then there's no saving you. The whole reason it's a tragedy is because it's what you THINK you want until you've gotten close enough to it to realize you don't want it after all. Otherwise, how is getting what you want a tragedy? Do you even gothic bro? I bet you're going to say some shit like "the tragedy of getting what you want is that you'll have nothing to do" but that's retarded
>>532411469Unfortunately that's what he gets for finding sneaky ways to feed his addiction instead of quitting cold turkey.
>oh it's just a dream there are no consequences>oh it's just a little peeping while she showers, what she doesn't know can't hurt her>oh it's just getting my gf to look more like her in the bedroom no biggieAndrew always fed his intrusive thoughts until they became an obsession.
>>532412537This whole Leyley and Ashley distinction is part of a massive schizo scheme. Andrew fucked up and should kill himself.
>>532412821I'm starting to feel like those early Christian theologians writing about the nature between God the Father and God the Son
If Ashley had never been born, Andrew would be alright. It's bullshit that he couldn't get along with someone, he say melodramatic shit like this all the time and doesn't mean more than a half of it. Grandpa was right, he should have been a Lawyer or a Detective, being obsessed with a woman that makes you worse is just not a good idea, hell, its not even fun.
>>532413352There is some truth to that, a big part of why Andrew can no longer connect with people is due to Ashley traumatizing him with the Nina thing, it impeded his ability to be intimiate with people.
He mya not have been as in love with anyone or exceptionally fulfilled, but he probably would've had a decent life.
>>532412821Play the game or find better bait
>>532414318It's a joke, anon
>>532414318>Play the gameNever
>>532412821>Andrew fucked up and should kill himselfAgreed. Fuck Andrew.
>>532412537you're focused on what exists in actuality and not what exists in the mind of Andrew and how it relates to his desires
Andrew believes in a separation of Ashley and Leyley and it's this perspective that colors how he copes with his circumstances
He wanted an apple, he got an orange, now he has to cope with it.
>If you can't understand that the tragedy of getting what you want is that it's NOT actually what you wantApples and oranges. Realize this.
>>532415669>Andrew believes in a separation of Ashley and LeyleyI want you to cite Andrew saying that Ashley and Leyley are totally separate people. As far apart as apples and oranges.
>>532416164Andy and Leyley, and Leyley and Andy. Andy and Leyley. Leyley and Andy. Andy's Leyley. Leyley's Andy. Andrew and Leyley. Andrew and Leyley and Andy and Leyley and Andy. Andrew and....Leyley. Always Leyley. Andrew and Leyley and never Ashley.
>>532416302^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
also the fact that he only starts referring to her as leyley in sns and never any other instance
>>532416302>>532416420THAT'S your evidence that Andrew considers Leyley a fundamentally different person from Ashley? It's weak a best and a huge stretch at worst
>>532416567How about Episode 1? When Andrew gets kooky after killing the warden and starts calling her Leyley unprompted.
Eat watermelons with your sister
Andrew's a shitbag and I hate him. To be a yumejoshi is to be blind and retarded.
>>532417018Nobody is denying that there's a difference between Ashley and Leyley, you're the one claiming that Andrew considers them fundamentally different people
>starts calling her Leyley unprompted.Would this not suggest that he knows Ashley and Leyley the same person? If Andrew gets worked up and starts calling her Leyley, it would mean that when he moves from one to the other depends entirely on how he feels. How else can you spin it?
>>532417493andrew is a shitbag and I wanna fuck him in his shithole
>>532414376Sorry I was mad at something
>>532417561Leyley is Andrew's scapegoat and his self-imposed reason for why everything in his life is shit. And it's also a persona that Andrew has indirectly encouraged in his sister.
>>532418032I will never forgive you. You will have to live with that.
>>532418513Anon should live with the joys of friendship! Won't you make amends with him?
>>532418110>Leyley is Andrew's scapegoat and his self-imposed reason for why everything in his life is shit.That's not relevant to the point
>And it's also a persona that Andrew has indirectly encouraged in his sister.So he knows they aren't fundamentally different people. It's not like she has split personality disorder or something. Leyley is just a way to describe how Ashley behaves when she's at her worst. When she's being obsessive and paranoid and impulsive, she's being Leyley. And when she's understanding and loving and decisive, she's Ashley. These are convenient terms we use as shorthand, but there is NO evidence to suggest that Andrew considers these two different personalities or people or whatever you want to call it
>>532418867>Leyley is just a way to describe how Ashley behaves when she's at her worstWrong. Leyley is fundamentally unlike Ashley. Leyley presents itself when Ashley retreats in fear of rejection or abandonment. Leyley comes out to play when Ashley believes she isn't good enough; so, Ashley locks up and the learnt mask Andrew cultivated (Leyley) takes her place.
>>532419574This is so schizo. Ashley is the joker.
>>532419574>Leyley comes out to play when Ashley believes she isn't good enough; so, Ashley locks up and the learnt mask Andrew cultivated (Leyley) takes her place.Leyley isn't some joker mask Ashley puts on, play the game. You're just making shit up
I'm completely right about SnS being a perfect example of Wilde
Who has that picture of ashley sitting at a computer and andrew standing behind her telling her to type "Sneed"
>>532419574I'm not even the guy you're arguing with, but you're confusing a heuristic tool with a distinct entity. Leyley is not a discrete being, it's a label attached to a specific subset of undesirable personality traits that comprise the entirety of Ashley's persona, these traits rise to the surface when as a reaction to external stimuli, it's not a binary toggle between two mentally divided beings like some sort of dumb split personality.
>>532420268Thats the one. Thank you
Is not your fault Leyley (not Ashley)...you will love your inbred stickleys... just, easy on the carrots..
>>532420008you're right even doe it's not like wilde at all
Grandpa graves was a freemason
>>532420307This. The nicknames are just a narrative device used as shorthand to let us know how each sibling feels about the other in that moment. It's a convenience. It's not like Andrew doesn't want to be called Andy because he thinks it'll make his alter ego come out. He doesn't want it because it's a sign that Ashley isn't going to listen and be cooperative. Andy is just a term for the parts of Andrew that he hates. Leyley is just a term for the parts of Ashley that Andrew hates.
This is unironically homoousian vs homoiousian tier
>>532420646There is something extremely intriguing about the pose in this sprite. I love it when sisters are smug.
>>532421201Grandpa Graves was Waffen SS
>>532421261>It's not like Andrew doesn't want to be called Andy because he thinks it'll make his alter ego come out. It's funny to think that some players see the graves as some sort of family of psychotic schizos.
I thought LeyLey was just a more childish version of Ashley but theyโre more or less the same. Not that Ashley has two personalities. She is crazy and likely has some personality disorder by not dissociative identity disorder
>>532422857The only mental illness that Ashley have is being a woman
I'm surrpised this is disputed, but basically:
Andy and Leyley are facets of Andrew and Ashley they both externally recognize.
During Decay, Andrew explicitly muses on how he hates Leyley and prefers Ashley, and Ashley explicitly mentions preferring Andy to Andrew.
What this distinction means largely differs per characters opinions:
Ashley refuses to acknowledge there is Leyley and Ashley, but she does it when she's at her worst, whereas Andrew compartmentalizes himself and attributes part of him he doesn't like into Andy, while Ashley does the same, however she thinks the good parts of him is Andy.
Story itself, I think separates Andrew and Ashley into Andy and Leyley by grouping up their positive personality aspects vs negative.
Andy and Leyley are the story's antagonists, while Andrew and Ashley are its protagonists.
Andy and Leyley are essentially the facets of their personality which are representative of their immaturity, their regression, and general toxicity which endangers their relationship, and they're further represented, non-literally, by the demons.
??? stands for Leyley to the point you can see her talking to ??? as Ashley self monologuing with her evil version, and LU caters to Andy specifically, his feeling of being wronged and seeking a parental figure.
>>532422483Not that kind.
Oscar Wilde never existed, his works were ghostwritten by intelligence agencies
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Pretty sister saying erotic and sexo things into your ear..
https://files.catbox.moe/b692o1.mp4
>>532423565What happened here
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>Family value pack
>>532433719I'm not in the mood right now, fuck off
>>532433797You're never in the mood anymore
>>532433719clearly not
but someone can
>>532432395>>532432607He had to cut the tension and that's the best he could come up with on the spot, please understand
I think Andrew and Ashley should've hugged their mom more. That definitely would've melted her icy black heart.
>>532439519>if you were cuter as a kid maybe your mom would have loved youLeyley...
>>532423607And narcissism, BPD, and sociopathy.
>nta btw
>>532441567You are clearly not a Nemlei faithful.
Why is Nem's trying to convince young men to fall in love with mentally ill women?
>>532442445Are there any others?
I cheated myself
Like I knew I would
I told you I was trouble
You know that I'm no good
>>532429685Retard over half this thread was some retard schizoing about oscar wild
>>532442445I fell in love with men
>>532444379Go fuck yourself
>>532444379Is it gay to want to imboygnate Marion?
>>532445418I want to make love to Marion, i want to be the man he deserves.
>>532444567Noelle youโre a man fucker too
>>532442445To be fair itโs the reverse in NGN. Yule is a narcissist and exhibits sociopathic traits, Noelle is fairly normal.
>>532423623โFancy your sister, ya git?โ
โOy itโs andy the limey sister snogger!โ
>>532447875kek'd but why the fuck would they say limey
>>532448120It was my personal hatred of the br*t*sh coming out in my writing.
Reach out a hand to touch your face
You're slowly disappearing from my view
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