Thread 532463351

What True Warriors Strive For Edition!

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LAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>532085486

>>532463351 (OP)
>Forgot to remove [Embed]
It's over. I'm retarded...

>>532463351 (OP)
It's funny how that's literally how the good guys think. They all love their peace.
>>532463584
Shame on your bloodline for 100 generations.

>>532463698
>They all love their peace.
Reminds me when I was playing BT2 months ago, I noticed a lot of the opening narrations started with.
>Everyone was enjoying peace
>However

>>532463971
>However
Where's that 'GET OUT OF MY HEAD' Kengan meme when you need it?

Goku need new moves. Also more focus on his mimicry.
At this point he only has Kamehameha, even IT gets ignored.

>>532464168
I only have this one.

I also played replayed BT2 after I learned of Kengan Omega, and the narrator does say "However" after he talks about peace, every time...

>>532465339
>Hassad Soon
That killed me, he got the timing right.

Glind women are for Big Ningen Cock

>>532465953
We know, Goku.
>>532465796
I wonder if DB ever had a 'timing' moment.

>>532465953
cute fluffy hair the fuck is a glind

>>532466589
>the fuck is a glind
The species's name.

>>532467546
like glinda the good witch?

How would you fix Blue's design?

I miss posting on saiyanisland

>>532468565
>I miss posting on saiyanisland
I remember that site. It then become Narutoisland and started shilling hard for casinos and slot machines.

>>532468565
What's that?
>>532468043
Could be since Buu is named after Cinderella.

>>532469598
Old site to keep up with DB news that wasn't a shifty YouTuber

>>532468420
I would not have it exist in the first place, I think that'd be most people's reply

>>532481007
Blue fulfills It's purpose perfectly, making the vanilla Super Saiyan design that everyone likes back into the strongest for. Battle of Gods tried to do this at the end withouth the recolor but it only made people angry and confused because you can't just change a form's power level without a visual indicator.

>>532468420
It's perfectly fine really and SSJB Kaioken looks awesome.

Is this AI?

>>532483109
Definitely looks like it

>>532483109
Either AI or extremely specific fetish.

>>532467020
>somehow Salagir's Super Saiyan Zero is reasonably better than Jijii's Ultimate Super Saiyan lol
There is a large gap between how salagir and Jiji handle things. The frog likes his explanations and whatever. Jiji just likes hype moments. He'll drop a new transformation and not explain it.
USS(J) gets a small explanation but almost zero buildup. Something something controlling all of the4 emotions is your explanation. Does it branch off from SS1 or 4 or 5? Who knows!
I think it'd be cool if it was real and Caulifla got it or some shit. Give it a less ugly color.

>>532487981
USS (or as they call it "Normal Super Saiyan" or something like that) looks great because it's based on Ultra Instinct Sign which was perfect
It has good foundations as a concept
But literally ZERO skill as a writer

This is the crux of the issue with the frogs

>>532488938
>it's based on Ultra Instinct Sign
I thought subhuman frog man claimed it wasn't and it was his original idea or some shit. Was it changed? Wasn't it something something Gohan's ultimate form?
Mind you I have not read multiverse yet

>>532489995
Froggie can say whatever he wants but UI inspirations are obvious. Yes I know it's also close to Gohan "Mystic" but I'm no fool it's still UI fuck you frogman

>>532487981
I don't understand how people make these legitimate attempts to continue an actual dragon ball storyline but cannot understand how to deliver it. Like, did they not read the manga or even watch the anime? The entirety of namek and androids/cell give you a perfect template to copy on how to set up and introduce a transformation power up yet they just fuck it up. Is the ego that desperate to pretend its actually original when directly using someone else's setting and characters in the first place?

>>532491238
>The entirety of namek and androids/cell give you a perfect template to copy on how to set up and introduce a transformation power up yet they just fuck it up
idk how many SS1s and SS2 Gohans can you do before it gets stale?
>Is the ego that desperate to pretend its actually original when directly using someone else's setting and characters in the first place?
Huh good point.
Even Dragon Ball itself can't repeat it. The only transformation not in the original manga that has any buildup not in the immediate arc where it's obtained is MUI.

>>532492245
UI was great because it was written like a sports manga in a way, the entire arc was about pushing your limits and so Goku kept pushing himself to unlock it. That's different from gay "Wow! Cell 2.0 killed Pan! Time to go Super Saiyan 8, please play Tamashi vs Tamashi in the background!"

>>532491238
i think time and spread made it so different people started liking different things about the series. It's undeniable how much some deep down go "dragon ball is all about people screaming and getting new hair styles", especially if they like DBZ more than og db. I haven't read that manga but reading anon's posts feels like it's how i used to make my own "based on DB" stories, basically fights that are just excuses for characters to transform and go "super mega ball of destruction ball!!" (needless to say i never actually wrote or draw anything about it, just random thoughts as i pictured those stories in my head though i eventually did came up with a design very close to granolah, main difference is mine was blue instead of Granolah's aquamarine. But also, my donut steel was just fusion fodder)

The tragedy of shitty 0/10 DB fanworks like AF and Multiverse isn't just how they focused on stupid Super Saiyan 9 fighting Super Ultra Freezer but how they also ditched the humans.

You want to make a good DB fanwork? Make it comedy/SOL.

>>532493715
I liked UI for more than that. I liked how MUI was thought up in advanced. The concept was first dropped in the RoF movie. The concept is introduced in episode 5 of the Super Anime.
MUI has a big feeling of "everything was leading up to this very moment". The exact same feeling is felt with SS1 on Namek and SS2 in the Cell Games with the Super Saiyan prophecy (introduced right before Nappan and Bejita land on Earth) and Gohan's rage (introduced in the Raditz fight) respectively,.
>>532494125
>i think time and spread made it so different people started liking different things about the series. It's undeniable how much some deep down go "dragon ball is all about people screaming and getting new hair styles", especially if they like DBZ more than og db.
I've read the original manga from chapter 1-519. I think DB is about fighting but not to the extreme parody levels you're describing. It's more about overcoming perilous odds through sheer determination rather than screaming and random fighting.
>>532494352
>Make it comedy/SOL.
I've thought about this but would anyone actually read a SOL fanwork with original characters and OCs mixed in? Probs not. No one actually really wants this.
I do have a decent concept I am toying around with involving Pan, Bra, Eschallotte (Bejita's second daughter), and Goki (a more spiritual girl and aloof girl. Goku's daughter, born right after the defeat of Buu). No one besides a handful of people would read my scribbles especially if they're that boring. SoL is already a shit genre.
>they also ditched the humans.
The humans were ditched for good reason. They were used for enough time and got explored enough. Toriyama made the right call to ditch them in favor of Gohan-Bejita-Piccolo. Super made the mistake of not shifting the lion's share attention from Gohan-Bejita-Piccolo in favor of new guys.

>>532495094
>but not to the extreme parody levels you're describing.
this is why i said "some" people do that, you know the retards that eventually write or ask for those kind of fan works
then again i think retards is a strong word, nothing wrong with feeling like "that's a cool design", sometimes you don't need more than that. Again it's bad if that's actually your take on the whole series but still

>>532494125
>though i eventually did came up with a design very close to granolah, main difference is mine was blue instead of Granolah's aquamarine. But also, my donut steel was just fusion fodder)
Sounds funny. Have a sketch or at least a design concept written down? Any lore? I have not read the granola arc yet but he looks cool and I like the idea of a "Cerealian".

>>532494125
>needless to say i never actually wrote or draw anything about it, just random thoughts as i pictured those stories in my head
I mean that's just it. Its one thing to play around with random thoughts but the amount of time and effort and communal input you're investing to actually make these long ass, drawn series and still do the same plot thoughts an eleven year old would make on the playground without any extra effort to make it work just baffles me.

>>532495094
>MUI has a big feeling of "everything was leading up to this very moment".
That is true, but generally speaking stepping down from ULTRA SUPER POWER back to pur martial arts skills was very welcome

>>532495094
>I've thought about this but would anyone actually read a SOL fanwork with original characters and OCs mixed in? Probs not. No one actually really wants this.
I'd have loved DBS if it was a comedy DB anime with some light fighting here and there

>>532496904
>the "pur martial arts skills" in question

>>532495094
>The humans were ditched for good reason. They were used for enough time and got explored enough
Not really, they could have been great in the Cell arc. The Cell arc actually has some serious writing issues and cast downgrade. I don't think the way Toriyama ultimately did it was too bad, for instance the Buu arc was more about Buu, comedy, Mr Satan and lots of things going on at the same time (Gotenks was also a highlight) but if we got the proper version of the Cell arc it would have involved everyone playing a part and achieving some stuff. Same way Krillin and Dende played a big part on Namek.

>>532497165
Obviously it went back to getting the bigger numbers at some point but the rationale behind UI was to push yourself, put yourself through extreme circumstances and awaken something in you, something born of technique and inner peace.

>>532495689
i don't have it but just imagine granolah with his hair tied up like pic related and in this color (in hex) #496fa0. Same red eye thing with a similar goggle eye patch thing (except mine also showed the red eye underneath), also his skin is also (light) bluish. And yeah no lore, just random design things i threw together, random alien guy. I think he had like super regeneration something but was otherwise kinda weak (in dragon ball terms at least), but that would prove useful for the bad guy of the week in some way (i can't remember how)

>>532496373
i guess but still thinking about it the thought of making it work properly is also something that stopped me from ever actually having a pen graze the paper, i can't completely blame them for just shooting whatever, at least that's doing something

>>532497191
Toriyama's got a really tacky taste in color schemes.

>>532497191
The humans shouldn't have even been in the Cell arc period. When Piccolo said "if you think you can't beat Freeza, fuck off" they should have just not come. It was very clear from Saiyan arc onwards this is an alien series now.
A "proper version" of the Cell Arc involves them not showing up after confirming they're useless against mecha freeza. Pic rel is the Android/Cell Arc cast in canon. No, tenshinhan holding off Cell for 4 minutes does not make him important enough to come along. He lost against a fucking door that Bejita manhandled.

>>532497651
To add, cast condensing is a very good thing. IT avoids the Naruto/JJK issue of having to divide screen time with characters that frankly aren't as interesting as others. This mentality of 'everyone that used to be relevant should be perpetually relevant" just bogs down pacing. It also makes the story as a whole less entertaining. Characters who have already had character arcs being there doing nothing to help the story makes the whole thing slower. Toriyama was a genius, his successors should have learned a thing or two.

>>532497651
>>532498069
>It was very clear from Saiyan arc onwards this is an alien series now
And yet Krillin played a crucial part in both Saiyan and Namek arcs.
>i-it would have been good if they didn't show up at all!!
Retarded opinion. You're just asserting over and over "powerlevels would dictate that so they shouldn't even show their faces or have any dialogue" like 1) fighting is the only thing that matters and 2) powerlevels as you perceive them the way they were written in this arc are absolute and cannot be written any other way.
It would have been perfectly possible to make everyone competitive enough to get some hits in and achieve some stuff. Even if Toriyama didn't do that I'm glad he let them appear, talk, show their faces and do what they had to do even if they didn't advance the heroes goals. Hell, it's not like anyone achieved anything of value, even Trunks jobbed this entire arc.

The point is that this stupid "Humans should have been taken out of the world and it's just like that, trust me bro" dogma is ridiculous, the story could have been written in many ways. It's not a HUGE issue that the humans didn't do anything in this arc (although it's still an issue imo), it's an issue that nobody other than Goku and Gohan did jackshit because the entire arc was centered around beating X and Y, so you can't really have "smaller wins" for the heroes, it's either "you beat the final boss" or "you lost".

>>532498178
And yes, if we're speaking "cast condensing", Buu did it very well -unlike Cell. But it's not because of powerlevels or something similarly stupid. It's because Buu was about a bunch of gags and some parody, so Toriyama focused on the funnies, on Fat Buu, on Gotenks, on Mr Satan, and had the best interactions he could think of. That's not so much what happened in Cell.

>>532498178
>you can't really have "smaller wins"
Naruto does this and the arcs last for an eternity because of it. Your opinion is midwit tier.

>>532498487
>Naruto does this
It doesn't
>and the arcs last for an eternity because of it
They don't, they're fairly fast outside of shitty flashbacks

You know what pulled "smaller wins"? Or rather, "twists that impacted the plot down the line"? Dragon Ball, on Namek. It was great.

What would they add to the arc besides slowing it down? You're pretty much just arguing for greater Yamcha and Tenshinhan involvement right? The only thing this would do is slow down the arc as a whole.
Piccolo was needed to complete his arc by fusing with Kami. Bejita was getting development to his redemption. Trunks the new guy getting his own development. Gohan was getting his climax to this.
What the fuck would Yamcha a washed up practically redundant character who finished his arc by getting with Bulma and Tenshinhan who finished his redemption arc by DKP do by this point? It was good writing to keep them from being in there. It's either they add nothing besides being a peanut gallery or they slow down the arc and add yet another thing in the already meandering clusterfuck the Cell arc is.

>>532499108
Stop looking at it merely from a dumb """redemption""" or wank

It's about good writing (like Namek having different objectives and twists and feeling like you progress) and diversity (by having a wide cast with different personalities and interesting quirks). All of the "necessary development" you brought up could have been added to any of the human characters. Hell, Krillin got enough of it, although he was butchered by becoming a coward in it

It's about quality. Cell kinda messed up. I don't care about Krillin or Yamcha doing something in Buu because Buu was actually achieving something

>>532499543
So you're arguing for more meandering in an arc already criticized for going on for too long with too many distractions before the main threat actually arrives?

>>532499909
I'm arguing for a better written arc that isn't a stupid ping pong game of powerups

>>532483109
nion's armor doesn't even connect properly

Is it too late to get into Dokkan?

>>532510483
>getting into a gacha
anon... it's always been too late.

>>532467020
That is actually worse. Christ.

>>532510483
just watch the super animations on a youtube video will save you money time and be more fun

>>532510483
As someone who's been playing basically since launch, it's not worth it. You can legit just watch the animations on youtube and you'll get the best part of the experience. Same goes for legends and really any other gacha game.

>>532491238
I don't either. Sometimes I think about rewriting DBS so the tone matches Toonami DBZ a bit better, but it really throws me when people get so ambitious that they're writing several OC's at a time and adding two new Saiyan forms every arc. I've said it before, but I sincerely believe SDBH has some of the best post-DBS OC transformations because they had to play it safe and color inside the lines. They couldn't jump out the window and totally redesign hairstyles, or get too ambitious with new colors, or start mix & matching defining features (i.e. SSJ3's size, SSJ3's lack of eyebrows, the Ultra Instinct/Mystic hair shader, tails, red eyes, SSJ3 pupils, two-tone hair, etcetera).

Just as an adjacent thought, one of the biggest like... cognitive dissonance moments I experience when watching DBZ and DBS, is that in DBZ they're saying shit like GOSH and DARN IT ALL while they're bleeding half to death and blasting bloody holes through each other–but in DBS they're saying DAMN IT and BASTARD despite having cleaned up all the blood and relegating battle damage to torn clothes and some scuffing. Strange.

>>532518412
Somehow I forgot to cite SSJ4/Majin eyeliner as a defining form feature despite it being featured 4 times in the attached image. lol

1/11

>>532521696
>no Zangya
I sleep.

>>532521696
2/11

>>532518412
>but it really throws me when people get so ambitious that they're writing several OC's at a time and adding two new Saiyan forms every arc. I've said it before, but I sincerely believe SDBH has some of the best post-DBS OC transformations because they had to play it safe and color inside the lines. They couldn't jump out the window and totally redesign hairstyles, or get too ambitious with new colors, or start mix & matching defining features (i.e. SSJ3's size, SSJ3's lack of eyebrows, the Ultra Instinct/Mystic hair shader, tails, red eyes, SSJ3 pupils, two-tone hair, etcetera).
OCs > transformation slop. If I were to ever write something I would severely limit myself in the transformation department. I think even modern Dragon ball got too carried away with it. I would go for simplistic designs too because they're easier to draw.
>rewriting DBS
So many people (myself included) want to do this but idk if it'll ever happened. If anything I think it'd be better as a collaborative project. Imagiine a community project that weaves together Daima, DBS, and GT while fixing their "issues"along the way. One idea I've had is putting an alternate S17 arc in the middle of Super.
I do understand there would be a lot of conflicting visions.
>two-tone hair,
Minor pet peeve but I think two tone eyes and hair look absolutely terrible.

>>532521957
3/11

>>532521882
kek that is always a valid reaction to seeing Bojack.

>>532518412
You forget about how bad early Z dub Censorship was. Blood was removed, injuries were covered up, big bright flashes accompanied actual physical contact, etc. It only got added back in later, and even then the dialogue was still heavily toned down and censored.

Super on the other hand aired earlier than Z and had to deal with more Censorship in Japan due to changing laws in the 20 or so years since Z aired later in the afternoon. Dialogue though remained the same, so when it got dubbed it kept in some of the more foul language.

>>532510483
there is nothing to play in dokkan, like that anon said, just watch the cool animations on youtube and be done with it, in another world i could have recomended legends but that one has the horrible fate of being a pvp gacha so its like 3 times scummier than the average gacha

>>532522434
4/11

>>532522669
5/11

>>532522897
6/11

>>532522897
failing the "don't kill pan for an easy powerup" challenge again i see

>>532523159
7/11

>>532523427
thats all she is good for, no one cares of her as a character besides coom

wtf this is heroes? I've only read up to hearts so far.

>>532523454
>>532523159
Wow this is lame
Just replace him with Zangya

>>532523454
8/11

>no one cares of her as a character besides coom
Literally Zangya and most female characters desu

>>532523810
9/11

>>532523682
yeah! i was looking for a Goku Black panel and stumbled onto this brief interaction between Gohan and Bojack that i found interesting. i kinda wanna read the rest now, too, cause this scene wasn't in the promo anime.

>>532523889
this is true for ALL female characters in all media, even when they ask for good female characters what they are asking is for a male in female body. female characters are and will always be a failed concept

>>532523889
Great design is all you need.

>>532524058
10/11

i love that Gohan immediately goes for the Level 3 Super here. no buffer, no hit confirm, just RAW Level 3 from neutral. lol

>>532524069
Undeniable trvkesplosion.
Magical girls are the one counterexample I can think of. They're their own thing.
Proven immediately correct >>532524104 here.
>>532524058
>i kinda wanna read the rest now, too, cause this scene wasn't in the promo anime
It's very different from the anime. The anime really butchered the manga. The art is pretty good too.

>>532524281
11/11

>>532523427
...or did he...?

>>532523889
>Literally Zangya
True!

>>532523731
18 would have jobbed to her if she was part of that movie

>>532524495
12/11

>>532524058
>i kinda wanna read the rest now, too, cause this scene wasn't in the promo anime.
While Gohan fought Bojack in the game, I think the whole "Bojack lies about killing Pan" only happened in the manga. Bojack fight was among the many, many fillers to pad out the game (Which includes one where CC 17 fights Super 17, and one where Whis and Beerus fight random mooks).

>>532524889
13/11

>>532524478
i'm definitely gonna keep that in mind. thanks anon!

>>532524986
that's pretty cool. i'll have to see if i can find a video of CC 17 vs Super 17 to see if there's any noteworthy banter between the two of them.

>Fucking Funko is making the first SSJ4 Goku Dragon Fist figure

Man, Bandai is letting a lot of money on the table for no good reason

>>532525248
>i'll have to see if i can find a video of CC 17 vs Super 17 to see if there's any noteworthy banter between the two of them.
The only real banter was Super 17 being jealous of CC 17 having a family:

Narrator: On the other side, around the same time… Android 17 & the others are protecting the Mock Hyperbolic Time Chamber for the sudden assault.

Super 17: I don't understand... you're the me of the past, right? How can you fight like this?

Android 17: I don't understand what you're talking about. And I don't remember doing anything to incur your grudge.

Super 17: It's not that I have any grudge against you, your existence as you live your life so carefree is simply unpleasant!

Android 18: 17! Are you okay?

Super 17: …

Android 17: He doesn't seem to want to attack you.

Android 18: What do you mean?

Super 17: Oh, this again... I won't repeat the same thing. This will change something.

(Puts on the Time Breaker mask to become the Masked Android.)

Super 17 (Masked Android): Come on, I won't depend on you anymore! I'll absorb you all & become the "real me!"

(Battle Begins Vs. Super 17 [Masked Android].)

(After Battle)

Android 17: It’s over.

Super 17 (Masked Android): …

(His mask is off.)

Super 17: Yeah... it seems... tell Son Goku... The mask draws out the maximum power, but at the same time, the excess energy becomes a weakness. I don't know if the masked man is the same, but... it might help something.

Android 17: Okay. I’ll tell him later.

Super 17: …Hey, you... do you have a family do you?

Android 17: ?...Yes.


Super 17: …Heh, that's funny.

>>532523662
Yes yes, girls also have cooties and that scares you

>>532494352
Multiverse has the humans verse though and while it doesn't get enough focus that's just because most artists haven't watched OG
But the two specials about the 21st Tenkaichi without Goku were legitimately great and replicated the early Toriyama atmosphere really well

>>532527513
I wouldn't go as far as calling them great.
They are light-hearted, which is a stark contrast with the usual scifi trash DBM does. But they are still written by webcomic "artists" who are genuinely unable to tell a story outside of that retarded framework.

Pic not related but awful. Completely awful.

>>532527871
Lol. Talk about heavy handed """comedy""".

>>532498069
>To add, cast condensing is a very good thing.
...which Toriyama didn't do.

>>532527871
>Self aware comedy
Kill the french. Nuke france. Decapitate all french citizens. Wipe the french "culture" off of the face of the Earth. Deport the quebecois.

>>532528047
Fuck them

>>532528086
Yes, it gets worse btw

Also nothing really happens both times when Bojack fights Gohan in the game, it's just random fights:

First fight:

"Bojack: …It's been a long while, aren't you going to use that golden hair form?

Gohan: You’re… Bojack! This is the current me!

Bojack: Hehehe... I'm so happy to fight you again!!

(Bojack transforms)

Bojack (Full Power): Now, Son Gohan! Fight me!!"

Second fight:

"Bojack (Transformed): I’ve found you! Son Goku!!

Salsa: Damn it! At this time!

Super 17: …

Android 17: It seems we don't have time to train.

Gohan: Father! Vegeta! Hurry up & get in there!

We’ll hold them here!

Goku: I’m counting on you guys!

(Battle Begins Vs Bojack [transformed].)

(After Battle)

Gohan: What do you guys want?! Is your objective to claim this empty universe?!

Bojack (transformed): Ha… ha… The revival of the Hera clan, the domination of a new universe... My ambitions are endless. But I... before that, I had to fight you once more & win! I don't care about anything else! This time I'll defeat you... no matter what!!

(Gohan defeated Bojack)

Gohan: ...

Bojack (Full Power): … Hah… you’re strong."

So it makes sense the promo anime cut it off. The manga added emotional weight to the fight by having Bojack change personality because of his obsession with defeating Gohan, and lying about killing Pan to piss him off and draw out his power. The manga adds moments like these or changes context around fights a lot, on top of occasionally doing its own thing.

An example of changing context. Shota Fu in the manga is completely overwhelmed by SS4LB Gogeta. In the anime he defeats both SS4LB Gogeta and SSBE Gogeta with one attack. In the game it's suggested he fought them long enough for both fusions to end (Though Vegeta says they were close to winning).

IIRC Xeno Pan having a crush on Hit was exclusive to the manga.

>>532528086
to be fair, thats what modern writers do, its all self aware shit

>>532524478
>The art is pretty good too
From what I remember reading (the early stuff, to be fair), it was alright but not great. I remember the story having some of that same breakneck pacing from the anime as well, very little downtime for character interactions and constant fighting.
Hope I'm wrong about this

>>532527871
>LOOK GUYS LOOK
>WE KNOW IT'S WRONG AND BAD AND ICKY
>BUT WE HAVE TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE STORY!!!
>DON'T WORRY THOUGH WE SAID IT'S BAD IN THE STORY TOO
>PLEASE BE NICE TO US OKAY????
this is as bad as whenever tfs'd bring it up to do the same shit

>>532528143
And the cherry on top. Hon hon hon!

See why French hood weebs are more respectable than French geek weebs?

>>532528257
Yeah the Dark Demon Realm arc goes so fast and the dialogue is so sparse you have no idea what's going on. During the prison planet arc its better.

>>532498487
>>532498623
Naruto only does this for some characters that are popular/liked by Kishimoto

>>532528180
Was supposed to reply to >>532524058

>>532499108
Counter-point: if more characters were involved we could've gotten an actual tournament with more than two and a half fights.

>>532528774
God damn it, I'm doing horribly half baked posts today... But pic related was also supposed to be a reply to >>532527871

>>532528774
This chapter was so fucking bad. The moment she pulls the plug on Gohan talking to his father was legitimately the shittiest thing ever written in a Dragon Ball setting.

>>532527871
>>532528047
>>532528143
>>532528279
>>532528774
Roshi being a horndog and getting punished for it is a thing that happens in the manga, but this misses the timing of it as a gag. Roshi doesn't think with his dick 24/7, he is able to show restraint. The gag part comes with proper build-up and payoff.

>>532529250
Imo you're missing an important point, Roshi being a horndog is cartoonish and endearing, it should never be looked at with "realistic" lenses.

>>532529250
that's not really it, the point is that the politics of it isn't thrown on your face as if you were braindead, it's played for laughs and you're supposed to make your own "this guy is a pervert" take yourself

>>532528941
It's incredible Baba only showed up to be a bitch.

>>532529250
In the manga he's treated as a pest for it and only time he was "rewarded" for being a pervert was right after putting out the fire in Ox King's mountain. Even then his reward had him being pafu pafu'd by Oolong, not Bulma (Not that he learned of it).

Either way he's treated as a cartoonish jackass for it, DBM went for "What if everyone reacted with... Le realism?".

DBM would never dare to make that joke lol. I think they have some brainrotten feminists in the staff actually.

>>532529762
>I think they have some brainrotten feminists in the staff actually.
Salagir himself. Bra's treatment is the typical "Strong female who does everything bad and is rewarded for it".

>>532529415
It's not even "realistic" though. It's like Salad Gear spams the "gag" like Roshi has more Grey Matter in his little head than his actual head, which misunderstands the character and the act simultaneously. It comes off like an alien attempting to replicate things it heard.

>>532530005
Disgusting

>>532530005
doesn't help Asura indulges him, you can bet your ass GogetaJr clashed heads with him when he was starting to show his colors, meanwhile Asura is too much of a coomer to care of writting

>>532530005
Said reward being able to (somehow) control her SS2, and putting down her (retconned) asshole dad.

>>532529415
The specials don't look at it through a realistic lens, it's still light-hearted fun at the end, just on a subject matter that you don't like. Also you're talking about the same specials that showed uncensored boobs on-panel so it's not a puritan thing at all.

This fucking design.

>>532530259
the whole thing makes no sense, why didnt MBra just one shot her (she didnt cuz it would mean Vegeta18 would be against his OC WE CANT HAVE THAT), why does the other BRA EVEN CARE to defend her later?

>>532530173
That's probably why GogetaJr ran. Good for him desu

Interesting how the strongest human from the humans universe is Videl, and she's also the only one who achieves anything while also being the most OC DONUT STEEL COOLEST SHIT

>>532529602
The point is if Salad Gear were writing the "gag" it would then switch to Roshi trying to get puff-puff with every chick in Ox King's village. It's not trying to apply "realism" to the gag, it's trying to draw out a consequence against a Roshi more Flanderized that TFS fans would meme about.

>>532530351
>puritan
:^)

We can take shots at less obviously bad stuff.

How about Uub sneakily going to ask the Buu that ate all of this friends (from another universe) to teach him? Surely that's not OOC :^)

>>532531103
It's not because that would require DBM Uub to have a "character" to begin with.

>>532530351
>The specials don't look at it through a realistic lens
They absolutely do you retard. That's literally the entire point of these panels. It's as explicit as it can ever get here.

>>532530823
Fuck off, Videl barely did anything. She killed one Cell jr. and forfeited against Cold mid-fight. Humans verse Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha had extended fighting sequences.

>>532531103
>>532531218
My expectations have been subverted, bravo salad gear

>>532531234
Videl had extended fights, triggered most of the plot of U9 by freeing the Kaioshin, had the most success and defeated a SS2 level Cell Jr while all of her human peers are stuck below Freeza level (Krillin, Tenshinhan) or around mid Android level (Yamcha)

She absolutely got the most love out of them all for literally no reason. She also got a shitton of focus in the recent AWFUL Gast chapter.

OWWWWWWWW THE EDGE

>>532531057
So?
It's a no-brainer that regular evil Saiyans would engage in rape and that Pan would get angry at that. You might as well just say that framing rape as negative at all is puritan.

This is starting to sound like an excuse to seethe over "women" and "politics" and not the more simple explanation that Salagir is a shit writer who thinks with his dick.

Did anyone think this had any value?

>>532531638
NTA but writing this page at all shows a remarkable lack of understanding of what they're writing. This is the upper bound of """rape""" in Dragon Ball. It shouldn't be anything more than this.

>>532531743
Don't worry we don't need to talk politics to shit on DBM. We did multiple times, we're still doing that in this thread. "Politics" being in a Dragon Ball work, in some shape or form, is a fault, it doesn't need to get more specific than this.

>>532528728
i mean, off the top of my head, they let everybody get their shit off during the Chunin Exams, and a bunch of Genin got their shit off during the Sasuke Retrieval Arc fighting the Sound Four. Kakashi and Zabuza fought hard, and Itachi and Kisame mixed it up with Kakashi and Kurenai. Sarutobi fought Orochimaru and incomplete Edo Tensei versions of the first and second Hokage. Rock Lee and Gaara have an awesome fight with Kimmimaro. Sakura's basically the main character for half the Sasori arc. Sasuke defeats Orochimaru and Deidara. Asuma and his squad had a whole little mini arc when he died. Pain no diffs Orochimaru in a brief scuffle. Jiraiya and Kakashi get to fight Pain. Sasuke fights Killer Bee and the Raikage. Might Guy beat the dog shit outta Kisame. Konan had a moment in the sun against Tobi that was so spectacular Tobi had to rewrite reality to survive it. Sasuke and Danzo. Kakashi and Obito have a whole thing. there are a lot of important or quasi-important battles in Naruto that he's not present for at all.

>>532530005
>Words words words naruto talk no jutsu
I aint readin allat nigga. im here to see fights. I wanna see the big cocky boss bitch get beat so hard she spits up blood and has a mental breakdown like cell and freeza did. Enemies should have schadenfreude then they should get their teeth kicked in so the audience gains satisfaction
Fuck you I could do this better. Id get her getting beat so hard she becomes a housewife

>>532532146
You... want to turn Frieza into a housewife? Are you Yamcha?

>>532531229
It's just an obvious joke that doesn't amount to anything in the story. It's not like the specials are about Roshi learning the error of his ways and repenting or something.

>>532532109
You probably watched the anime, because tons of these guys really didn't get much more than one or two chapters to do anything. Like 2/3 of the Konoha 11 did nothing.

It's true that Naruto has some sideplots with side characters doing some fighting and cool stuff but it doesn't really work with a "crew gets there, everyone gets to fight, MC fights main boss" structure, it's more like a "sometimes, the arc will go somewhere else and some random side character gets a good fight"

>>532531421
That sounds cool. Finally Videl does something.

>>532532275
It doesn't matter that it's a joke. The joke is taking "Roshi is a pervert" realistically and putting him in more realistic situations where girls react to him like they would in real life.

It's COMPLETELY outside of the Dragon Ball realm. This isn't what you're supposed to do when writing Dragon Ball especially early era.

>>532532448
No it's pretty cringeworthy and bad. The design is tryhard, the Z sword is tryhard, she gets pushed everywhere while the other humans fight for some breadcrumb of screentime. She definitely had A LOT more screentime and feats than Tenshinhan which is completely ridiculous. DBM is garbage, the best it can hope for is some decent scenes or concepts while still being awful overall.

>>532532575
that panel is offensive, glad toriyama is dead, i write better anyways -salad gear

>>532532326
>You probably watched the anime
well, yeah, Naruto started airing on TV way before i started reading ahead. i was still a teenager when they started playing trailers on Toonami. i don't think i started reading the manga till after the 4-Tails Naruto vs Orochimaru event.

>>532532271
If Freeza was a woman I'd say yes nigga. Female villains need to be beaten down into submission and become submissive housewives.

>>532532846
Bingo. Nothing wrong with it, actually unlike Dragon Ball I think the Naruto anime covered a lot of the manga shortcomings.

>>532532750
Hon hon! Glad we've progressed past these disgusting perverted jokes.

>>532531760
To laugh at how bad the art is.

>>532532146
Well guess what, she doesn't lose. In fact she wins so hard she destroys everyone and then wins again by overcoming the majin. And then wins even harder by having everyone defend her against Vegeto and unlocking SSJ2 as a reward for this.

Did you like it? :^)

>>532533048
>Glad we've progressed past these disgusting perverted jokes.
We sure did! :^)

>>532532932
"If Frieza was a woman" nigga you gay and just mask it. Tranny ass logic. You got yo tits removed too?

Let it be known I wont call DBM "pozzed" trash, just trash. DBM turned me into a feminist when I saw the way they treated Bulma by having this retarded Gary Stu mog her at every turn like she's a dumb kid.

>>532533681
i wont lie i liked Pollos hermanos Gohan

>>532533681
>Nooooo we need the context! The diplomacy the war, both sides! I don't care that we just landed on a destroyed Earth and got attacked by killer robots, maybe you're lying!

>>532533778
I had nothing against it, it was stupid but light-hearted stupid, which this dogshit story badly needs

>>532533896
Forced Videl representation? Check
Superior MAN putting the f*moid in her place with his vastly superior skills and intellect? Check

>>532532932
>*in my Omni-Man voice*
are you sure?

>ftm trannies in this thread
Explains a lot, no one seethes over women more than "former" women

Something else about DB, especially DBZ? It is a pure kung fu power fantasy plus schadenfreude. So much other shonenshit tries its damnedest to avoid becoming overpowered and staying balanced. DB never did. Very second arc of the manga had Roshi blowing up the goddamn moon. DB's always been "we need to get stronger, so we get stronger" without any magic system balancing, and then fags get angry at this like most shonen doesn't already do that, and they also get angry that DB is more popular than their FOTM "balanced magic system" shonenshit because tards like us just want to see the musclemen blow up more shit
Also something else you could note is that it's a very "cathartic" sense of fighting.
Everyone says 'I wish strategy and tactics and adventure came back.' Then it did in Daima and everyone except Kanz troons hates it.
Everyone loves the beat downs instead.
That's what makes DBZ so visceral: some full of himself piece of shit comes along and beats everyone up and mocks then for it. You feel fucking hopeless like there's no way to win.
Then the hero comes in and starts taking them down, and he starts losing it and melting down. There's nothing more viscerally satisfying than breaking and bringing down some arrogant shitsack. A lot of other shows don't do that. They make the fights way more even and more something to do with "power of friendship"

>>532534028
By the way, this is future Bulma, the one that builds time machines and struggles to keep hope alive. The one that lost all of her friends.

>>532534174
I agree with the overall point but you're pushing it a bit too far. Vegeta was a very tactical fight. Tactics aren't bad, it's just that we need the hotblooded struggle no matter what. We need the testosterone, the power fantasy, more than anything else we need THE COOL SHIT happening onscreen it doesn't necessarily have to be all fighting but it needs to be cool and inspired and beautiful.

>>532534071
If Freeza looked like this then I'd support her getting beat the fuck down and becoming Yamcha's hot alien housewife. That would be cool
>>532534441
>We need the testosterone, the power fantasy, more than anything else we need THE COOL SHIT happening onscreen it doesn't necessarily have to be all fighting but it needs to be cool and inspired and beautiful.
Fuck yeah someone gets me.
I think out of every fight in the series, that one was the most exhausting and manly. Literally every single resource possible was used and everyone was so beaten they couldn't walk. Foreheads covered in blood. Fucking look at Gohan. He's absolutely soaked. Everyone was so exhausted and kept fighting. It's just fucking cool man. Why can't anything other than the ToP recreate this? Imagine if RoF had a 10 minute session of base Bejita and Base Freeza fucking pummeling each other while they can barely stand.

>>532535261
You nailed it anon.

Even pic related. It's mostly just Krililn jumping in and getting owned but even the way he gets fucked up is cool. He doesn't look lame getting kicked like that, he looks like he really tried and went the distance. Everyone looks awesome in this fight.

>>532535609
Pic related is just peak drama
this means so much more than all the whiny speeches and monologues you could write

>>532535752
And look at this. Just look at the level of emotion, tension, fear, aggression, everyone is fighting for their lives here, what can you call this other than a masterpiece?

Sounding more and more like you're gonna say something faggy about Goku

>>532495094
>The humans were ditched for good reason. They were used for enough time and got explored enough.
Finally someone said it.
>Super made the mistake of not shifting the lion's share attention from Gohan-Bejita-Piccolo in favor of new guys.
That's also a mistake Daima did.

>>532497165
The entire point of martial arts is to move and punch better to move and punch fast and harder.

>>532498487
>Naruto does this
No, it doesn't, that's One Piece.

Is the problem with anime games it’s overreliance on PvP?

>>532536296
The great philosopher, YuliCHADan once said
>"All great fistfights to the death are homoerotic, and the Devastators are deeply homoerotic to start with— the 80s glam rock BDSM style, the big sweaty muscles, the men obsessed with each other, often thinking obsessively about one another while half naked and declaring that they need one another for absolution, wrestling and grappling each others' muscly and sweaty bodies in struggles of dominance and strength. To that end, Yulaan actually ruins it by being female. She still does all the things that defines these sorts of stories— ripping off her shirt and grapple fighting sweaty and bloody muscle-bound men, bearing her own muscular body in the process. But the muscle worship and admiration of the male form is interrupted by her. In a world where females are scarce, where you can go months without seeing a woman or nonhuman female even while traveling extensively, where Devastator combat philosophy dictates powerful men must thrust themselves deep into the annals of bloody danger and risk and hold manly grudges against one another, where there are many shirtless fistfights between two men who passionately scream each other's name, where you're infinitely more likely to come across a girly rentboy than a maiden and the closest thing to a female warrior you'll get is an effeminate crossdressing eunuch. There's too much sausage, too much manhood, and the only girl on the entire planet presents a feint."

>>532518412
>Sometimes I think about rewriting DBS so the tone matches Toonami DBZ a bit better,
Shittiest taste in every universe.

>>532537402
I ain't reading all dat
You a gay

>>532537507
I like women just not when they're fighting.

>>532537745
i dont care bulma is a slut i wanna fuck her hard

>>532528774
>Being an old pervert is more evil than saving humanity is good
What a shit manga.

>>532537745
I don't believe you, you are too quick to justify gay lust over Goku

The problem with modern Dragon Ball and DB fanfictions:
There is no sense of catharsis
No schadenfreude
No comeuppance
No "arrogant shitsack humbled by the guy he underestimated"
Dragonball OWNED that shit. From Taopaipai all the way to Jiren, the series was usually really good at having an antagonist with hubris thinking he's better than everyone else, then proves he IS better than everyone else, and talks endless shit, until someone puts him in his place and he gets angry and flustered like a bitch
That sort of violent humiliation is part of the reason DBZ was so badass. There was no better feeling than watching that little pipsqueak no one believed in but always had glimpses of extreme power suddenly put Perfect Cell down in two hits when even Goku couldn't do more than wear out a holding-back Cell.
Can you imagine something like Gohan 2-hit humiliating Cell in Naruto, One Piece, or Jujutsu Kaisen?

>>532524058
>And with this my training's become useless
This isn't Dragon Ball.

>>532524683
Nice

>>532537910
>gay lust over Goku
He has a nice body. There's a difference between manly admiration and being gay. Maybe you need to weight lift to understand this.

i miss the original vegeta, up to the namek saga he was ready to cheat and bluff his way, but from android saga he became just goku but saltier, he was the better rival since goku is all about training he was all about shortcuts

Caulifla did a number on you fags huh?

>>532528086
Hey, we didn't do that in Wakfu, it's an americanized webcomic guys thing.

>>532538365
You type like a woman

>>532529762
>I think they have some brainrotten feminists in the staff actually.
Salagir is one, he had a meltdown about 'if you're not a feminist, you're an asshole'.

>>532538423
If Super was as bloody as Z and Caulifla (and Kefla) got beaten up to hell and back that would have been cool. She was cocky and needed knocking down a peg.
>You now remember Bojack killed Zangya so they wouldn't have to animate Gohan beating on a woman

>>532530051
That's the thing though, those guys want to be realistic but are completely detached from said reality.
It's like the 'rational' retards.

>>532530553
Of course they shoehorn their quotas with the most disgusting designs.
>>532530351
You're retarded

>>532530051
>It comes off like an alien attempting to replicate things it heard.
i think it's just autism, look at this >>532531103 and that dialogue, it literally reads like sonichu. Like either something is lost in translation or these poeple are just autistic, which i mean it makes sense given this whole fan work is not something someone sane would do to begin with but still

>>532539076
>'if you're not a feminist, you're an asshole'.
Send this shit

>>532531743
It's all three, fuck politics, fuck women and fuck shitty fanmanga.

>>532531743
worse, salad gear is a writer who hates dragon ball and Goku, multiverse is what happens when a Reddit mod writes dragon ball

>>532532275
Jokes have to be good

>>532534081
This is making more and more sense now. No wonder DBM keeps being spammed here, it's an easy target to push the attempt to seem "macho" in comparison while still demanding attention.

>>532532575
Roshi's reaction is priceless here

>>532532748
>the Z sword is tryhard
Especially since the Z sword's whole joke was that it was glorified weight training and everyone had completely misunderstood it's purpose as a sealing device for the Elder Kaioshin.

>>532533681
>Let it be known I wont call DBM "pozzed" trash,
I will.
>>532533896
It's so diplomatic to just talk down to one side and accuse them of lying.

>>532534174
>without any magic system balancing
It has a system, that system just allow for growth like 99% of them out there.

>>532532748
You can keep seething, I'll keep enjoying this Videl.

>>532534174
>everyone
Relentlessly gangbang you whenever you have one of your schizo moment seething about it.
Daima was a massive success and has sky high ratings literally everywhere, get over it.

>>532535261
>>532535609
>Two retarded homos telling each others 'exaaactly!'.
>>532539642
It was during a livestream, don't know if the video is still around. Lots of people in France made fun of him for it.

Friendly reminder that DB broke the record for most money in a single fiscal year recently.

>>532542145
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP THATS ONE PIECE RECORD -bandai

>>532542316
Bandai loves Dragon Ball, it's Shueisha who'd be seething.

>>532542393
yeah i got them mixed up, my bad

no daima dlc trailer for sparking is killing me

>>532542760
I doubt we'll get it before a while, the DLC is still pretty far off

>>532537857
>left to right
Yeah..... "manga" lol

>>532539076
Lol, what a sperg. I don't even care what you think about wage gap or whatever (even if you're probably wrong about it) but letting this drip into your work is just poor taste

>>532539574
Stilted pacing
No sense of writing/telling a story
Limited amount of pages
Obsession with 4th wall

All this adds up to this shitty sense of dialogues that have to be both rushed and infodumps. Very artificial

>Sony got shares of Bandait to 'boost anime games and IP'
Welp, it's over.

>>532540778
Please do. I can see some of the appeal. It's a maxxed out Videl who unleashed all of her potential (honestly way more than she has) and has all of the superficial "cool" shit, bike, camo pants, Z sword, Kaioken.... Yes there is stuff to like, that's not the issue, the issue is that if you are a bit aware of authorial sensibilities you can just feel the gears turning and the reasons behind this forced amalgamation of "cool shit!!". It just feels wrong when you notice all of this

>>532538092
>or Jujutsu Kaisen?
Sukuna certainly needed that humiliation... Gege made him this fight autist who's too powerful to deal with, and the fight needed endless "howevers" from Yuta's retarded plan for them to stand a chance. He barely seethes when dying, and Uraume in the end is like "ahkshually, you only won because you had one of Sukuna's fingers!".

You can send a message to Reecome today!: https://x.com/DB_official_jp/status/1948216636718395735

>>532539076
>'if you're not a feminist, you're an asshole'.

RIP our favorite Budokai Tenkaichi Participant.

Cell gave me a vore fetish. Why did this happen?

>>532547136
its the legs flailing

I'm so glad they changed the two orange tones thing back

DBZ

>>532545514
don't remind me of JJK, what a waste of an ending, i hope they never let gege write anything ever again

>>532538092
Arguably that need to humiliate made Ichigo vs. Aizen into a meme in Bleach instead of a satisfying final duel everyone wanted. It just doesn't always work. But about other examples, One Piece had Doflamingo utterly humiliated by Gear 4 Luffy until he ran out of steam (but it's basically like Goku vs. Jiren). Saturn was dunked on at almost every step since Kuma appeared including by Bonney which would be the Gohan equivalent, he always came back since "immortality lmao" but in the end he got killed by his boss in the most pathetic death scene to date. In Naruto, Sasuke vs. Killer B was one humbling everyone cheered back then, the catharsis was real (and even when he finally won it turned out he lost). The Hidan fight was also all about humiliation.

DB really need to dial back the 'Tired / running out of stamina' thing, it's getting overused.

>>532552705
Gege was held back by his editors I'm sure. By Culling Games we got too many empty fights and boring autism, and it got even worse by the Sukuna fight. The constant binding vows Sukuna pulled were Gege's "However".

>>532555427
I wonder if Toriyama had characters with bad stamina because of his own age. While stamina was a thing they worried about in the manga, it wasn't this bad.

>>532534174
Daima did what you're describing in the dull drawn-out final fight. GT did that all the time too. Neither of them could pull it off.

>>532558337
>dull
The only dull part was that the finish was just a normal kamehameha, the rest was cool.
I prefer 1 v 1 myself but you can't tell me they didn't have great teamwork, especially Duu.

>>532558173
its actually the reverse, gege was restrained by his editors, if you read his original script it was terrible, it was only when he became popular got rid of his original stricter editor he backpedal the plot to get the culling games in motion which was rejected in his og draft

>>532558173
>I wonder if Toriyama had characters with bad stamina because of his own age.
That would make sense, it was pretty clear his own age influenced some stuff in DB when it came back, such as the characters not aging as much, the time between arcs being much shorter, the characters being much more actively friends and hanging out together etc.
Would make sense that changes in Toriyama's own life influenced those changes.

>>532558680
Or it could all have just been an in-joke / cry for help from the animators, given how strained they were by Super's production schedule.

Any cool channel that plays Fusion World? I wanna learn the game but I keep losing.

>>532538378
Vegeta always had too much pride to be a proper scumbag, Turles seems better at this.

Suupaa Bejiita 3

>>532560410
It's Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta or Ultra Vegeta 1, get it right.

Takashi Matsuyama (Toriyama's second editor) and Toyotaro have performed Fusion.

>>532560682
They fucked it up, they must now both commit Seppuku at Toriyama's grave to atone.

>>532558516
>its actually the reverse, gege was restrained by his editors
I meant his worst habits were held back by editors initially, but by Culling Games he could do what he wants.

>if you read his original script it was terrible
I have read it, and a bunch of things from it were added in later chapters.

>Sukuna always had an interest in Megumi for no reason, even before learning of Mahogara
>Original version had Sukuna be in Megumi's body
>By Culling Games Sukuna is in Megumi's body

>Hajime was one of the characters in the original version
>Added in Culling Games

>The story was going to start with the Culling Games
>Culling Games itself happened after Shibuya

IIRC by the time Culling Games started, the original editor left?

>>532558680
Yeah, it was discussed here that the way Goku acts fatherly towards Gohan was Toriyama thinking about Sasuke, and Goku misunderstanding Gohan and thinking he likes fighting is not an unusual father and son misunderstanding. It wouldn't be surprising if the stamina, and all of those things you listed, were Toriyama changing things up because of his life circumstances.

>such as the characters not aging as much
This one in particular is a big deal for me, since Toriyama worked hard to allow Goku to age. Even during the first time skip, Goku was taller than before, but not that much taller, likely because of Torishima. At some point however, he regretted making everyone so old in EoZ... This can even explain why Bulma is more obsessed with looking younger than before (She showed frustration over saiyans staying in their prime for longer, but words like she never used the dragon balls for it).

>>532561489
>IIRC by the time Culling Games started, the original editor left?
yep i dont have the specific timeframe on when the old editor got replaced, but you can see how Gege went back to re implement all the plot points that got rejected into the main plot and is where the plot takes a nose dive, funny how he liked Yuji less and less and tried to make Yuta more and more important considering Yuta was the original MC but got rejected cuz he was too boring

>>532561489
>but words like she never used the dragon balls for it).
To be fair, it's not the only reason she does this, her other rational 'Bad guys can't use them if they're on cooldown' is pretty smart and logical given that they now know an active threat can show up at any time even from another universe or timeline.
It could also be related to Toriyama noticing the growing obsession looking younger without looking like you got surgery done.

>>532561489
>Goku was taller than before, but not that much taller, likely because of Torishima.
IIRC, Toriyama said it was because drawing fights with stubby limbs was more complicated.

>>532542145
>>532542316
>>532542393
>>532542539
The funny thing is, Oda has no problem seeing Dragon Ball succeed. He loves Dragon Ball.

>>532562136
>funny how he liked Yuji less and less and tried to make Yuta more and more important considering Yuta was the original MC but got rejected cuz he was too boring
I find his Yuta favoritism funny. After the whole "We have to become monsters to win!", Yutajo's entire contribution when fighting Sukuna was to prevent Sukuna from using his domain on Yuji, after that he fell down and didn't contribute anymore.

Gege's sidelining of Yuji was weird, he was among the better characters Gege wrote, but seemed to not really like him...

>>532562282
Thing is, her excuse "makes sense" but is half assed, when Dende tells that to Piccolo, Piccolo's reaction to it is confusion, and at the end of Super Hero, he says that with Hedo working under Bulma, she won't need to use the dragon balls to look young anymore, so only Dende was naive enough to fall for what she was saying.

>>532562439
Yes, Toriyama said he detested the way he had to stretch limbs during fights, so he wanted Goku to grow up to stop stretching them. This also explains why Chiaotzu never fought after Krillin, to the point he was defeated offscreen by Taopaipai.

>>532563857
Oda probably had to be physically held back from volunteering to draw the DBS Manga.

>>532563857
I've always been a believer in that rumor that it was because of retarded investors thinking Shueisha was 'mismanaging' One Piece since it stopped making more money than DB.
Partly because I'm one of the guys who came up with the idea.

>>532564032
>Oda and Toyotaro occasionally having lunch together talking about ideas for the Super manga
>Oda still insists Toyo give all the women bigger tits

>>532564369
I don't think Oda is allowed near Toyotaro. Probably because Oda would try to wear his skin to take his place.

First thing the next DB show should start with is a training arc where Goku and the cast do some body cultivation type shit and get rid of the boring weaknesses like not breathing in space.
That weakness brings nothing interesting to the table and just limit the cool background and visuals we could have during fights and it get ignored half the time anyway.
I still wish we got to see that Gogeta vs Broly fight on the sun.

>>532564471
>reason why dragon ball ip issues never settle is because whenever they settle Oda comes and bids higher to get the dragon ball ip putting everything into a mess for months

>>532564471
>>532564790
Oda would more likely be the one demanding they get things settled already, honestly.

>>532564790
>Whenever they have a meeting to settle, Oda sneaks in with a fake mustach and try to trick the Toriyama family into giving him the IP and declare him Toriyama's son.
>He keep being foiled by Toriyama's cat in a way that interrupt the meeting, forcing everyone to reschedule

>>532542393
And Toei.

Would the Xenoverse 3 protag even stand a chance?

>>532560612
>Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta
Actually Vegeta calls his Super Saiyan state "Super Vegeta" just skipping the "saiyan", so Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta should indeed be Super Vegeta 3
>inb4 no that's grade 2
No, it's the same name. The first use of "Super Vegeta" was literally during Vegeta's first battle in SS form, before grade 2 even existed. It's also the same logic used for Super Saiyan Vegetto

>>532565920
>so Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta should indeed be Super Vegeta 3
No, because Goku says Super Saiyan 3 in that scene and then Vegeta say it wasn't Super Saiyan 3 but Ultra Vegeta 1.
He didn't say 'It wasn't Super Vegeta 3!'

>>532566243
>it's one of the retards too autistic to understand a mere gag
Discarded

>>532558337
There are many things about Gomah that just make him bad.
1. He constantly grows stronger and constantly regens all battle. He never got even the least bit tired which ruins the satisfaction. He acts sort of smug but never eats his own fucking words. No one in that fight ever got tired. The heroes had so many back up options too. Unlike with Cell, Freeza, and Vegeta the heroes hadn't exhausted every option. They weren't even tired by the time the fight ended.
2. He had zero interaction with the main characters before the battle.
3. His personality was shit and non existant
4. He wasn't cocky like what I was describing
5. He didn't have a mental break like I'm talking about with Cell and Freeza.
6. His defeat was treated as a fucking gag. He wasn't humiliated and he has a fucking post credits scene where ge's playying video games/.
7. The fight itself wasn't violent enoguh
8. The defeat of Gomah isn't a "satisfying beatdown". He gets defeated like a Mario enemy.
9. His design is so ugly it's hard to take him seriously.
Jiren worked as a good thematic and "what if" foil to Go
ku. Seeing him be cocky then falter under the might of MUI was intensely satisfying. Him being defeated by teamwork and proving the theme of the ToP is true was very good.
Omega Shenron worked well as a "culmination of all sins" and Goku defeating them. Him getting fucked over by SS4 Gogeta is an absolute classic.
Even Pure Buu worked a bit better than Gomah because of the sheer desperation of the final battle.
Compared to guys like Cell, Freeza, Taopaipai, Demon King Piccolo, Bejita, ect. It's night and fucking day. Gomah is the worst "final boss" of any Dragon Ball series to date. Possibly one of the all time worst bosses I've seen.
>GT did that all the time too
Only Baby did and his meltdown is one of the best in DB. His pride is fucking shattered and he runs away like a little bitch. He melts down so fucking hard he becomes a raging animal. Too bad GT was was cut short.

>>532567528
>Fuck up the names, which ruins the joke because Ultra Vegeta 1 IS the Super Vegeta equivalent
>Blames others
Seethe more

>>532568056
>factually proves me right
Ultra Vegeta 1 isn't a thing, autist.

>>532568050
>Go
>ku
Be honest: Did you ask AI to write this for you?

>>532568196
>Ultra Vegeta 1 isn't a thing
Neither is Super Vegeta by that logic. Vegeta disagrees.

>>532568207
Lol no it was just a formatting error. I had to rewrite parts of it several times. GO check it in an ai checker or whatever

>>532568196
Being dunked on doesn't prove you right tho

>>532568353
>keeps being too autistic to understand jokes
"Super Vegeta" is how Vegeta calls himself when using Super Saiyan. "Ultra Vegeta 1" is a gag where Vegeta tries to deny having Super Saiyan 3 because he was using his (also a gag) famous "Super Saiyan bargain sale" phrase when he himself also learned a new one recently.

>>532569206
>You don't understand the joke!
>The joke is literally that Ultra Vegeta 1 is like Super Vegeta
Your shitty fanname isn't a thing, cry about it.

>>532569206
Ultra Vegeta 1 is in the anime
Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta is in the anime and every video game.
Super Vegeta 3 is nowhere.
Simple as.

>>532569437
>>532569504
>lalalalala
Let me guess, you thought XV2 was wrong when they announced "Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta" instead of "Ultra Vegeta 1" like the pathetic autist you are huh? So sad, to be unable to understand a silly DB joke

>>532570190
He won't look so smug when I'm done with him

>>532569675
>Let me guess random bullshit to cope
Notice how it wasn't Super Vegeta 3?

You niggas got autism nigga

>>532522669
The training being worthless is kinda shit but this attitude is excellent dragon ball to me
>I just spent long years training specifically to fuck your day up you cannot go down this easy, i refuse to accept it. I'd rather die than than take a half-cocked fight.

>>532565115
>The cat chasing Oda

>>532525248
>Bojack was a Dragon Ball Hero all along
bros...

>>532572478
If Vegeta ever got to fight and defeat Goku back in Cell saga (Or just around the time he was a bigger asshole), I can see him reacting exactly like this if it was an easy win.

The training, and Bojack's overall character, are an interesting addition the manga did. In the game and anime he was just handed this power and was doing generic Z movie villain things (So ironically he was more in-character in those).

Did you guys have a nice festival?

>>532577215
It was neat but I don't participate in multiplayer stuff much.

I heard Spike is working on a Shonen Jump Smash Bros clone

>>532578768
Didn't they already make one back in the day?
I hope the story mode isn't trash again

>>532578768
if Bandai Namco and Shonen Jump won't just make the fucking check out to ArcSys, they can keep it. i'm cool on another mid, licensed, platform fighter.

Goku and Shin are going somewhere!

>>532580223
I wish Nahare got his own fight.

>>532581124
>Glorio and Panzy fight the Special Commando
>Nahare fights Degesu
Would have been for the best IMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YgEw5_JxoI
But /dbg/ told me Breakers was dead
Also fuck it, they really uploaded news for every single Dragon Ball game this week except SZ. Hope for tomorrow

>>532584769
>But /dbg/ told me Breakers was dead
I didn't, I said nothing would happen.

>>532584769
>my boy King Piccolo is never making it in

>>532584769
>Cell Jrs
>Buuhan
>Paragus and Z Broly
Honestly interesting

>>532584769
that's a pretty cool EoS update.

i was going to say Broly is kind of a gip since Super Broly is already in and they could just flip his assets, but then i remembered the whole game is a Xenoverse asset flip and lol'd.

>>532584769
As soon as pic related happened I started laughing. I have MAD Broly brainrot... I even thought Z Paragus' voice was weird since I'm so used to the old one.

>>532585127
He would be really fitting for it, question is how they would make him young...

>>532569206
Super Vegeta is grade 2 specifically.

>>532589010
>start at Level 2, Tambourine
>gather enough energy or die, level up to old King Piccolo for Level 3
>Level 4 (young King Piccolo) can only be attained by wishing for it with the dragon balls; King Piccolo swallows dragon balls when he collects them so they can't be dropped when he's melee'd

damn tuffle brat

>>532589010
>Breakers survived long enough to let Broly give you a rock bath
Maybe it hasn't been a complete waate

>>532590398
>waate

>>532590054
*Neo Machine Mutant Tuffle Brat
That is as much a Tuffle as Android 21 is a human.

I forgot I ran into a frieza ranger last week, really cool design

>>532591067
Sometimes I want to rebuy Xenoverse 2 on PC because I had it on PS3 and the pirate version has no online so I can't participate in /dbg/ shenanigans.
But then I look at how many DLCs there are and how expensive it all gets together and give up.

>>532591294
feels very p2w nowadays with all the skills you need and like 90% of the game is mission without it, shouldn't be legal but this was in 2016...

>>532591679
Save editors are there for that

Interesting stuff.

Nothing tells you that someone isn't worth listening to faster than learning they hate Roshi.

>>532594419
Some guy got mad at en bulma's VA in another game heh

>>532594873
nobody likes Rial.
daima was an opportunity to bring back Vollmer like they did with Nadolny.

>>532589035
Nope.

>>532593043
There are so many reasons to tune out Salad Gear, him not liking Roshi is just one among a multitude

>>532593043
it means they never watched the Kid Goku sagas.

>>532594873
Good, nobody likes dub shitters.
>>532597353
I wasn't even talking about him, I meant in general

Gekishin reached 500K.

Fridges are the best girls: https://exhentai.org/g/3453578/13d6b15bb6/

>>532599282
that's just wrong

>>532599282
That's just right

You know Goku is starved because even Kakarot had to give him Janken for every single version of him in that game.
And even had to give Daima Goku the genkidama despite him never using it in Daima.

>>532564032
Nah, it isn't how he thinks. He's a very proud person, to the point the first thing he says to his assisstants is "don't give me any ideas" because One Piece is supposed to be his very own manga. He wouldn't just take over another man's work unless as a short collaboration.

>>532603284
Starved for moves I meant.

>>532603284
>>532603438
That's a difference between games and anime/manga. Goku doesn't need 5 million special moves in the latter since it's primarily a hth combat series, and it lives and dies on combos, feints, choreography in general. But it's too complicated for games to give you this sort of freedom.

>>532603757
I dunno, I think you see the limit of Goku's move set for the anime too when the finish against Gomah was just a kamehameha again.

Apparently, Lionsgate made a Naruto live action movie and it's even worse than DB Evolution so they just...didn't release the movie at all after every single test audience told them it was the worst thing ever.

>>532604794
Nah, it was a supremely awesome scene. If you want to complain, complain about Vegeta since he's the one that tends to come up with new named attacks for transformations, so it would be in his style to defeat Tamagami 2 with Atomic Annihilation or Chaos Cannon. Goku's doing fine with good ol' Kamehameha, he doesn't need another functionally the same attack.

>>532537429
in my defense, what i mean by that is basically summed up by this image. i know it's an agenda edit, but despite not being literally accurate i feel it conveys the subtle shift in tone i would apply.

>>532605240
Vegeta's fights are lame, I don't care about him.
>Nah, it was a supremely awesome scene.
Not really, the only cool part was piercing the demon realm, outside of that it was a straight downgrade from the earlier Kamehameha Goku had ALREADY done against Gomah like twice.
>he doesn't need another functionally the same attack.
Instead he need a new attack, we can't keep going if we're at the stage where Goku use a Kamehameha like 5 times per fight. He's gonna turn into Naruto at this rate or worse, Ichigo.

>>532605724
Even Naruto games aren't so desperate they have to give Shippuden Naruto the Uzumaki Rendan.

>>532605724
>Vegeta's fights are lame, I don't care about him.
But they're what you advocate for.
>Not really, the only cool part was piercing the demon realm
And that's what everyone remembers. Shit was glorious.
>Instead he need a new attack, we can't keep going if we're at the stage where Goku use a Kamehameha like 5 times per fight. He's gonna turn into Naruto at this rate or worse, Ichigo.
That's the problem with lack of choreographers creativity, not lack of attacks. Goku's supposed to be primarily about hth, Vegeta is more of a brute force spammer. Kamehameha's should be rare, and mostly part of larger combos. If you want Goku to have a next move, it should be something that adds a degree of freedom and maneuverability, not another big flashy finisher.

>>532606206
>But they're what you advocate for.
No, they aren't, Vegeta does nothing but bulldoze his opponent, he doesn't even use his named techniques more than once outside the galick gun and final flash.
>And that's what everyone remembers
Yeah, cause the rest was just like any other random kamehameha, that's the point.
>That's the problem with lack of choreographers creativity,
If you have more attacks, you can vary the choreography more, simple as.

>>532606206
People only remembering the last 10% of your big final move of the story is bad actually.

Goku should have pierced the demon realm with a dragon fist, it even seemed to be building up toward that and the transition to a kamehameha was awkward as hell.

>>532579669
I'm bored of mid Arcsys clones though. Instead of making it 1v1 they make it 4v4 garbage.

I don't want a fighter at all, be it arena or 2D, give me RPGs, Musous, Tactical RPGs, ANYTHING other than another arena fighter with 50 billion characters.

>>532608535
Who would the mooks for a DB musou be aside from frieza force?

>>532608719
Saibamen, Cell Jrs, RR soldiers, RR robots, Capsule Corp Robots, Machine Mutants, Machine Mutant Cultists, Pirate Robots, Hitler's Soldiers, Mini Buus.
Lots of options really.

>>532608719
>>532608904
Also Paragus's soldiers, Cooler's robot soldiers and Metal Coolers.

>>532606636
>Yeah, cause the rest was just like any other random kamehameha, that's the point.
So what? It was still awesome. Most people finish that scdne satisfed if they're not hung up on "b-but muh kamehameha again".
>If you have more attacks, you can vary the choreography more, simple as.
Not really, Kamehameha is pretty versatole historically, another attack wouldn't necessarily add anything that's not fluff. IT was a big gamechanger in how Goku fights, another new technique would have to be something like this. God Bind was actually a pretty nice addition.

>>532610513
>IT was a big gamechanger in how Goku fights
He hasn't actually used it in a fight in years.

>>532608535
>>532608904
>>532609449
my man! i think people also forget that the premise of the DB FighterZ story mode included Android 21 directing a bunch of clones of the cast to cause chaos and divide/delay their efforts to stop her.

>>532610587
He used it in his fight with Gas and used it to get away from Broly and Moro, I don't recall him ever using it against Jiren but he did use it against Goku black in the anime

>>532611274
I'd imagine they'd keep the straight up clones as officers rather than mobs to be fair.

>>532605129
Source?

>>532612441
A random tweet that linked an article I didn't read.

>>532612431
oh yeah, for sure. except the Earthlings, of course. lol

>>532605250
It's more accurate than you say sadly lol

>>532615563
>the Nosferatu music joke is real
LOL
https://twitter.com/db_clip/status/1948444456858141015?t=CkigwUJFg7hZpz0Rk5sSJg&s=19

>>532605129
last i heard that naruto movie was still in pre-production, there's nothing to show to anyone at that stage

>>532541490
Whats gay about what we were talking about?
>>532590054
>The only female Tsufurian of importance
>Locked to Heroes obscurity
It's sad
>>532590875
I count Android 18 and 21 as humans. Their kids are humans.

>>532595465
Vollmer and Manica Rial sound almost the same. I think I like monica a bit more sadly. Especially when Bulma isn't a kid anymore it sounds better.

Holy shit he's so fuckin COOL

>>532623239
You are deaf

>>532630543
I want to play as him.

>he's a 50 year old virgin
Just like Broly kek
>>532631630
Yeah he'd be fun. Imagine him having homing ki blast or some shit.

>>532616681
cringe as fuck, fraudcouner didn't even compose 10 tracks and his fanboys praised a fake remix of Cell's Theme for all these years lmao

Yamcha and Ten Shin Han were the closest thing to actual martials artists in DB.

The rest were just superhuman fighters.

>>532642234
You take away the ki control and everyone is just an above average martial arts fighter

>>532632327
Toyotaro can't draw

>>532616681
the same music plays when perfect cell powers up, absolutely clownish

the sumitomo score from dbs is so much better than kikuchi that it isnt funny

>>532649234
>Gas doing that one Toyotaro pose

>>532651297
The NotZangya is doing the other Toyo pose

>>532616681
This is awesome. Way more memorable and atmospheric than Faulconer's generic buttrock.

Back to specials

>>532656527
Hopefully that means people will stop shitting these threads up with DBM for the next few months

>>532656527
Mulitverse keks LMAOOO

>>532656527
How am I not fucking surprised

>>532656527
>IT'S ANOTHER GAST SPECIAL

>>532656527
I really hope this cliffhanger finally causes a riot.
Also, do these retards seriously not even have a word filter for their site? lmao

>>532657346
They're anti-censorship? Based

He's trolling lol. Salagir knows what hes doing. They know bad attention is still attention. Their ratings fell off after majin bra because thatshit was ass so theyre trolling now
>>532657479
Nah theyre pro censorship. That comment is probs already deleted

>>532657479
Pretty sure they edit posts with swears and they're eventually going to delete that post and the user.
They also banned that guy posting proof of one of their guest artists tracing.

>>532657656
>They also banned that guy posting proof of one of their guest artists tracing.

>>532657656
>that guy
Not just any guy
The one and only El CHADbot! The CHADgian!

>>532657656
>>532657824
Unfortunately I only have these two.

>>532657324
And Gast is so boring so his specials are always the worst to read.

At least you get 4 pages for week...
when a normal mangaka can do at minimum 8.

>>532658107
>And Gast is so boring so his specials are always the worst to read.
Don't worry! You'll see plenty of that OC who's way smarter than Bulma instead!

>>532658107
he's so boring they had to both try and bounce him off the actual dragon ball cast AND give him a sidekick
only to make the sidekick so obnoxiously "OH MY SCIENCE" that he made it WORSE
i mean jesus christ the tournament's DONE now, they can go back to making specials for other universes if they want there's no excuse that he's 'more relevant' anymore

drawing this nigga in the meme armor and gloves IN BED getting FREAKY is fucking CRAZY. do we think he's wearing his boots in his bedroom, too? LOL

>>532656527
wait wasnt the chapter super short aswell?

>>532658016
The first 3 on that gif are pretty spot on, but the bottom right has a bit too many differences to be a straight up trace.

>>532658395
>they can go back to making specials for other universes if they want
Another Bojack special you say?

>>532658853
15 pages. Making it into the shortest non-special main chapter.

>>532659323
>15 pages
holy fuck salad gear is insane. the cliffhanger isnt even good

>>532656527
>Another Gast special
So the last 9 chapters are:

>Future Gohan special
>Elder Supreme Kai's dream while he powers up Raditz
>Gast fighting XXI
>Gast vs Androids special
>Gast losing to XXI
>Gast vs Androids special
>Elder Supreme Kai and XXI gathering allies
>Goku getting punked
>Gast vs Androids special

Salad Gear is obsessed with Androids and Gast lately...

>>532661445 (me)
KEK. Just realized, Za Warudo's chapter also counts towards the Androids obsession, as only the androids could move while time was stopped, and that chapter happens right before the Future Gohan special!

>>532658884
True. Was thinking the head shape was changed but then I realized the hair is different as well.

>>532630543
The steampunk Dragon Quest look is really cool

>>532668086
i had the misfortune of attending a con with a lot of Steampunk folk, and lemme tell you, they have very corny energy. it has permanently affected my perception of Steampunk as an aesthetic. lol

if i rewrote the Goku Black arc, i would probably blend Heroes Black with main continuity Black, and have him double cross Zamasu instead of fusing. that, or i would have their Fused form retain more of Goku's features instead of going full greenskin, then combine that with the battle damaged Fused Zamasu look we never got in the anime. i find Zamasu losing his mind a little as Goku Black to be much more compelling than the regular story where they just glaze the fuck out of each other till they fuse.

if i kept the greenskin Fused Zamasu, i would have to change the color scheme of his Kai outfit, cause i don't think it looks good with his skin tone. Zamasu's original Kai outfit was more befitting a green man.

>>532608535
People always say they're sick of arena fighters, but the problem isn't just the oversaturation. It's also the fact that Bandai just doesn't put any effort into anything. You get an RPG or a Musou and chances are it'll be just as half assed as the arena fighters are, only now a big chunk of the playerbase is alienated and it flops and they never do it again because Bandai convinces themselves it's the product's fault and not their bullshit.

Look at Breakers.

>>532680252
Breakers is an exceptionally bad example. it may be the lowest effort, lowest budget, Dragon Ball game of all time. i wouldn't use it as an example of a standard or average Dragon Ball game or even a standard licensed anime game.

like even outside Dragon Ball, i think Breakers and that JJK arena fighter from last year are the worst licensed games Bandai have ever published.

>>532657656
>>532657824
>>532658016
I don't know if it was the same artist but the splash page with Tao Pai Pai from the universe where a bunch of Saiyan kids come to Earth was blatantly traced from one of his original poses

>>532681375
not to samefag, but that JJK Clash of Clans game is RIDICULOUSLY bad. it straight up looks like Xenoverse 1, but with all the CaC and Parallel Quest stuff ripped out, so it's JUST the Story Mode and VS mode. it's unbelievable.

>>532670886
>and have him double cross Zamasu instead of fusing.
Boring. Selfcest is half of his/their appeal

>>532681743
that's an interesting bit of feedback. perhaps i could still play into that by having Black express remorse over the double-cross toward Zamasu and to try and make amends just before they die.

>>532681906
That could work tying into Zamasu realizing his zealous hatred of mortals failed him as he was willing to even get rid of a version of himself fused with a mortal's body.

>>532463351 (OP)
Is there a Dragon ball game that lets me play as my own OC character in the DB universe? Or, alternatively, play as a minor character throughout the events of DBZ? Can I play a reformed Mercenary Tao and kill vegeta?

>>532584769
>3 Raiders in one Season
Damn, this does kinda feel like they're just emptying the clip before EoS. I can't imagine another reason they would suddenly be so generous and bountiful with new Raiders.

>>532682643
xenoverse 2

>>532682643
>Is there a Dragon ball game that lets me play as my own OC character in the DB universe?
Xenoverse?

>>532682643
>Is there a Dragon ball game that lets me play as my own OC character in the DB universe?
As others said, Xenoverse 2
>Or, alternatively, play as a minor character throughout the events of DBZ? Can I play a reformed Mercenary Tao and kill vegeta?
Not exactly, but the closest things to that would be
1) Get into the Budokai Tenkaichi 3 scene and main Tao
2) Style your Xenoverse OC to be sorta like that, but you're not literally playing through the events of DBZ there, you're time traveling to specific parts of it from the distant future

>>532682173
that would be part of the idea. though it would be more Black making the mistakes because living in Goku's body is starting to fuck with how he perceives things and makes decisions. till he's willing to discard and forsake even another Zamasu with their original body. he would still be super prideful and arrogant about being a Kai, but residing in such a powerful body would cause his pride and arrogance to mutate and latch onto his assumed persona.

that was why i got fucking chills watching SDBH when Black was getting thwomped by Ultra Instinct and shrugged it off because, "if Son Goku can reach such heights, then i too can attain this power, because i am also SON GOKU!"
that was the moment i went, "aww man! he's fucking lost it!" lol

i have another idea related to Fusion. i'd like to play around with Black forcing Zamasu to fuse with him. partially because i think it would be a very striking and different to see Black doing his regular arms spread, smirking, welcoming the Fusion stance–but to then see Zamasu reaching out toward the viewer, with a panicked expression on his face, as he's forcibly dragged toward Black. kinda like Garlic Jr being dragged toward the Dead Zone.

the biggest con there is that i am actually a pretty big fan of their typical smug, selfcest-coded Fusion animation, so i would be at risk of changing something good just for the sake of subverted expectations.

Salad Gear seems like the kind of guy that would either claim his OC Waifu Bra would never show interest in a guy just to keep her "pure" for him, or go out of his way to push for as much smutty art as possible because he's so horny for her he can't help it. Maybe the latter given Asura's art, probably a massive stash of it for their eyes only.

>>532656527
>They are 'Namekians are black' retards too
My god

>>532690403
>OC Waifu Bra would never show interest in a guy just to keep her "pure" for him
Its like those trash anime where the girls act like whores and dress like sluts yet claim theyre virgins. Its a fantasy
>massive stash of it for their eyes only.
This shit will get leaked one day and itll be funny

>>532655934
Based and true

Son Bra was raped in the sweltering summer of 2019 by her own family. Cucklagir jerked off in the corner

>>532670886
Sounds less interesting than what we got and having a battle damaged Zamasu is dumb, it kill the entire point that he's immortal until he literally start melting alive.

>>532691015
>Incest rape
Based

Vegetto forced Son Bitchra to let Goten cum inside her as reparations for killing him

>>532690707
>>532690403
wasn't here official art of her necking with Uub?

>>532690403
The latter.

>>532692467
Fan art, but it's hosted on the website.

>>532692909
That's the main universe Bra tho

>>532693027
Main universe Bra is on the background shocked at what she's seeing, you can tell by the hair.

Plus, Vegetto's Bra is the one who wears yoga shorts.

>>532692909
God I wish that were me

>>532664837
Disgusting

Don't make a fucking manga, fan or not, if you don't want to draw the fucking manga

>>532661445
>Future Gohan special
Easily the worst chapter of DBM and possibly the worst Dragon Ball related content EVER. Only upside: Roshi on a bike. The rest is absolute garbage
>Elder Supreme Kai's dream while he powers up Raditz
Another garbage chapter with garbage "self aware" 4th wall writing. It had decent art, but was easily one of the worst and most pointless chapter of DBM.
>Gast fighting XXI
Good enough
>Gast vs Androids special
Retarded, had some of the worst characters too
>Gast losing to XXI
Meh, it's okay.
>Gast vs Androids special
Shit, see above
>Elder Supreme Kai and XXI gathering allies
Retarded writing again, turned Vegeto into a mouthbreathing retard
>Goku getting punked
Lol. Lmao even
>Gast vs Androids special
Probably not going to be good either. At least the cover is nice

DBM isn't looking good lately

>>532694878
It never looked good

>>532690403
Why do you care what someone else thinks about his OC waifu or does with her? You would make some degenerate /d/ shit with your waifu if you could.

>>532695226
Hi Salad Gear

>>532694878
>Easily the worst chapter of DBM and possibly the worst Dragon Ball related content EVER
I don't think it's even the worst chapter about Future Gohan.

>>532693535
...You wish you were a Puu in the Luu or a bitchy Mary Sue?

>>532696323
No, fuck you
The chapter you posted was retarded and bad but it didn't have Baba (forma de retarded French fanservice) hanging up the phone on Gohan as he talks to his dead father, saying Roshi is going to hell for being a pervert, and having Gohan consider suicide lol

>>532696658
None of these are really things deserving the title of
>worst Dragon Ball related content EVER

>>532696323
>>532696658
Trying to argue which is worse is like trying to argue which kind of shit is worse to me. Both are insultingly bad.

>>532696959
True! In the end, it's all frog excrement.

>>532696853
This is ABSOLUTELY the worst Dragon Ball related content ever. This single page takes the cake >>532529602

>>532696959
One is dumb and makes no sense but doesn't hurt the characters too much. The other is an insult to Dragon Ball, honestly.

>>532697169
>To help people escape? It doesn't matter, they always catch them in the end. I amuse them, nothing more. And...
Jesus Christ. Sparking Zero's characterization of Future Gohan is more depressed but is nowhere near this cynical.

>>532697464
Humiliation ritual goes on

It's not just in their dogshit "novel" with 18 Vegeta CBT and SS2 Gohan losing to the Androids after they kill Videl, they had to bring back Vegeta for this lol

>>532697464
Gohan doesn't react like that to cruelty and injustice, he gets angry, he gets outraged, he doesn't become jaded.

>>532697869
Even in death they have to Vegeta wank. The future timeline's entire thing is that they didn't stand a chance and 17 and 18 didn't even get a scratch, thus their complete disregard for Gohan and Trunks.

>>532698047
Nobody becomes like that in the face of horrors in Dragon Ball because Dragon Ball is an optimistic work

>>532690403
Hey actually come to think of it, does that Tuffle thing end up with the common Quest problem of plot getting derailed for waifus, especially yuri waifufagging? I heard that the QM is a lesbo, but don't know if that lessens or worsens the issue.

>>532698568
>Hey actually come to think of it, does that Tuffle thing end up with the common Quest problem of plot getting derailed for waifus, especially yuri waifufagging? I heard that the QM is a lesbo, but don't know if that lessens or worsens the issue.
I've been reading it, and she mentioned in a comment that she would be fine with making Mapple date women, but it would be up to the other players. In the end Mapple became Goku's wife though.

I don't think the story is getting derailed by waifus, since it has this, autistic passion for Toriyama overall, so it's about the many worlds he created, but with DB as the main focus, and Mapple is just the character who drives this plot along.

>>532695226
>You would make some degenerate /d/ shit with your waifu if you could.
Any lewd I make of my OCs is going public. Except if it's incest. That stays a secret. Especially deranged incest.

>>532698568
Nah most players ended up pretty solidly on avoiding that. Maple specifically is straight and most players that cared went for hooking her up with Goku, the only dissenting voice being the local Quest Schizo, with his latest attempt to get her to cheat on Goku being with a robot bird lady OC from Universe 3 (dude even wrote some fanfic shit about that too, among his other fetish fics).

Of the kids, Izzy (Acer's daughter) has shown attraction to Tapion but players didn't rush into that. The Gohan of the Quest has a few girls he's gotten some moments with (got flustered over Yurin and got kinda close to a ghost girl) but the primary one is Bulma and Yamcha's daughter Pantea. Peppa, Gohan's twin sister, is the only one that actually got into a proper relationship, with Cocoa Amaguri.

>>532698934
>Mapple became Goku's wife
Instead of chichi? Or harem type shit?

>>532700175
Instead of. Chichi hooked up with Maple's twin brother Acer.

>>532700362
what did the poor dude do to deserve that horrible fate

>>532700483
He wanted it, Acer developed a crush on Chichi pretty early on.

>>532700175
>Instead of chichi?
Yeah. Goku's first adventure with Bulma was based on Path to Power, so he never met Chichi during it, thus, no marriage promise. They did train together under Roshi but I don't think they shared a single line of dialogue (Though I don't think characters talk that much among each other... IIRC they mostly talk with Mapple).

A prediction Baba could've made about Goku had him teaming up with a redhead, which I think was supposed to imply that woman was his girlfriend or wife, and while Mapple was a redhead, she was just one possibility. During the 21st tournament, Suno showed up to cheer on Goku just to leave her as a possibility to end up with him later.

>Or harem type shit?
Never considered.

>>532698934
>>532700060
Good to hear it avoided that common Quest pitfall then.

>I don't think the story is getting derailed by waifus, since it has this, autistic passion for Toriyama overall, so it's about the many worlds he created, but with DB as the main focus, and Mapple is just the character who drives this plot along.
Better to have autistic enthusiasm than trying to "outsmart" Dragon Ball like a certain frog.

>the only dissenting voice being the local Quest Schizo, with his latest attempt to get her to cheat on Goku being with a robot bird lady OC from Universe 3 (dude even wrote some fanfic shit about that too, among his other fetish fics).
I am probably going to regret this, but I think I need more context. What in the fuck?

>>532700060
>the only dissenting voice being the local Quest Schizo, with his latest attempt to get her to cheat on Goku being with a robot bird lady OC from Universe 3 (dude even wrote some fanfic shit about that too, among his other fetish fics).
Is that the Schizo who was proud of developing many personalities, who also had a fetish for being stepped on by Oozarus?

>>532701406
>Better to have autistic enthusiasm than trying to "outsmart" Dragon Ball like a certain frog.
Yeah. When the characters ended up in the pirate cave while searching for the dragon balls, they checked out the computers and learned of King Piccolo, as pirates had a database, and any King Piccolo sightings were to avoid him at all costs. That was a neat connection to make between two unrelated things organically.

The closest thing to "outsmarting" the setting did is the amount of powers Mapple (and to a lesser extent, Acer) got from training, as she got a bunch of powers which even includes undoing curses, which she used to undo king Gurume's blood rubies curse. Also getting practically spider-sense, both from training with Baba. It is a little silly, but the story is doing more of an, attempt at using the weird powers DB has and giving it to a character powerful enough to still make use of them. Not anything like Salagir. Kato giving weird powers to her OCs is still showing a passion for Dragon Ball. Salagir does so in a childish attempt to make his OCs better than the lame DB characters.

>>532701103
Funny thing is, Suno does end up with a different Saiyan later on.

>>532701406
>What in the fuck?
So the same Schizo that has autistic fits over outfit colors and last names and keeps bringing up his fetishes and genuinely unhinged headcanons, latched on to the idea of Maple hooking up with an OC character from Universe 3 (she and her whole planet got displaced to Universe 7 through spacetime shenanigans, it's a whole different complicated thing), literally trying to force a vote for the kids to tell her that they would be okay with such a thing and getting upset when no one else went along with his idea (like usual).

>>532702652
>Funny thing is, Suno does end up with a different Saiyan later on.
Interesting. Vegeta? Tarble? Raditz or Nappa if either of them weren't killed and stayed on Earth?

>>532702406
>Is that the Schizo who was proud of developing many personalities, who also had a fetish for being stepped on by Oozarus?
One and the same, yeah.

>>532702958
Raditz. He actually tried hard to keep it a secret for a time because he gets annoyed by Maple's eagerness to play matchmaker with people, and didn't want her butting into it.

>>532700038
>Except if it's incest. That stays a secret. Especially deranged incest.
That needs to be public the most. Share the gold.
>>532700175
>Or harem type shit?
Would have been based
>>532700060
>with his latest attempt to get her to cheat on Goku being with a robot bird lady OC from Universe 3 (dude even wrote some fanfic shit about that too, among his other fetish fics).
What's up with retards and wanting to cuck Goku?

>>532704017
People like that think it marks some kind of superiority over someone with such recognizability and reputation for strength. Goku will always be a famous benchmark for power and respect, and so not just beating him but cucking him "proves" that they are better than him in their minds. Just look at the kind of obnoxious shit SuperItachi or Paragon or whatever his name is now would pull.

>>532704653
>Just look at the kind of obnoxious shit SuperItachi or Paragon or whatever his name is now would pull.
To be fair, in his case he's clearly trolling for views and it's working. He went from a few hundred views to multiple thousands.

>Tuffle Quest
>Two bright beams of blue collide, but Goku's quickly overpowers the other person's. He seems to be engulfed by the blast, but you notice that Goku made sure he wouldn't hurt the man. He stands there, panting. "Heh heh... y-you've certainly grown strong, Goku. S-stronger than I ever thought you would. As is, you clearly surpass me now. I'm so proud of you, my boy."
>"Huh? What do you mean by that?" he scratches his head, tail wagging. "Do I know you from somewhere, mister?"
>"But you'll need to get stronger for the trials ahead. Certain people will be far, far stronger than you are. And others will have special... techniques. Like so: Hoooooooo..." the man tells the monkey boy. Suddenly his Power Level seems to skyrocket. A reddish, blazing aura surrounds his body. "KAIO-KEN!"
Grandpa Gohan is so forgotten and sidelined that I never considered Kato would give that to him.

It's too bad the battles are so short, it would be more surprising if that came out after a longer fight.

>>532709286
Giving everyone the Kaioken is one of the worst and most boring tendency of DB fanstuff.

>>532696326
whomever puts me in a position to manhandle her arse and tonguepunch her tonsils

>>532710108
Agreed, but given the weird powers Mapple and Acer got, and that Chiaotzu will eventually learn how to stop time, I think Tuffle Quest won't go the "Kaioken for everyone" route.

Characters will have to rescue this Princess Misa, but I thought she was Suno... I know Toei really wanted to get it on with a redhead but her, Pansy and Misa might as well be sisters!

>>532709286
That's a shockingly early moment to introduce it, but interesting.

>>532710108
I have to disagree. Other characters getting to use it can make for fun moments if it's treated like an actual technique, like it's supposed to be.

>>532710809
>That's a shockingly early moment to introduce it, but interesting.
Yeah, I just wish the fight was longer for it's introduction to be more shocking. Goku vs Granda Gohan was barely a paragraph worth of content (What I sent is most of it), so the fight quickly reaches that point, then Kaioken.

Grandpa Gohan used his hours on Earth to teach everyone the basics of it, but they aren't mastering it. Maybe this is where that "Kaioken but only focused on speed" comes from, with characters coming up with what they know. Either way, hope it's not spread like candy...

>>532710602
A good handful of others learn it but some try to use it in more creative ways, like Tien combining it with multiform. There's also that No Ego Zone thing that Krillin got in that one filler episode of Super getting accessed by some other characters and fleshed out more as a unique powerup. Biggest departure from the kinds of typical powerups is probably Izzy's Mahou Shoujo (like the Kamikaze Fireballs) and later Mahou Knight (an entirely original Magic Mecha kind of thing) forms, based more in drawing out latent Magic potential than typical "normal" power boosting.

>>532710809
>Other characters getting to use it can make for fun moments if it's treated like an actual technique,
Nah, it's always shit when rare techniques you can only get from one guy who's supposed to be hard to reach end up used by everyone and their grandma.
Especially when Goku's mastery of the Kaioken and ability to actually use the Genkidama, a technique even King Kai couldn't use himself in practice is supposed to be unique.
It's like when Vegeta learned IT, it's lame.
What's next? Goku use the Final Flash?

>>532711704
>Maybe this is where that "Kaioken but only focused on speed" comes from
If I remember correctly it comes up after the King Piccolo fight, actually. Adaptation of one of the filler classic DB episodes I think.

Is this game any good?

>>532711713
>There's also that No Ego Zone thing that Krillin got in that one filler episode of Super getting accessed by some other characters and fleshed out more as a unique powerup.
That's lame, in the anime, the no ego zone was a thing unique to Krillin that was the culmination of his unique life experiences and overcoming his suffering and failures.
Giving it to other people is just turning it into another Super Saiyan Bargain Sale.

>>532691041
perhaps, but that's just the ideas i have for Black & Zamasu. it doesn't really convey the change in tone, addition of a little blood, or the characterization i'd wanna write for Trunks and his future so the arc doesn't end on such a flat note. and so he doesn't just disappear from the story altogether on the next page. i think when it all comes together it would at least be comperable to the original story. sadly i cannot draw so at best it would be a long-ass text fanfiction nobody would read, unless i learn to draw. lol

>>532712228
Yes, it's pretty fun.

>>532712160
>Nah, it's always shit when rare techniques you can only get from one guy who's supposed to be hard to reach end up used by everyone and their grandma.
I know what you're trying to get at but like, this is the dictionary definition of what happened with the Kamehameha, Solar Flare, etc.

>>532712228
very underrated.
don't bother with the Krillin story mode, though.

>>532712416
>sadly i cannot draw so at best it would be a long-ass text fanfiction nobody would read, unless i learn to draw. lol
I do read DB fanfiction and word of advice: Writing a fanmanga is very different from writing a fanfiction.
>i think when it all comes together it would at least be comperable to the original story.
I like that mindset, I can't stand people who are convinced they are 'improving' the original.

>>532712537
at least with the kamehameha, you can justify it as a turtle school thing.

>>532712160
according to King Kai, the other Z Fighters were able to acclimate to his training faster than Goku was. if they don't have kaioken there should be a good reason for it. My guess is they were already using it but even with it were hopelessly outmatched (it was obsolete as early as Namek remember).

>>532712537
I'm not saying DB never does it, I'm just saying extending that tendency to even the few moves DB purposefully left out of the 'Public Move Pool' is just a lame thing to do.
It's like the Super Saiyan Bargain Sale, we already got one in canon, what's the point of having such a bargain sale for every form too?

>>532712537
Solar Flare is probably an even funnier case because even fucking Future Trunks learns that from Future Gohan, and I am pretty sure neither of them would know who the Crane Hermit is in the first place.
I think three or four different people steal the Destructo Disk too.

>>532712781
>if they don't have kaioken there should be a good reason for it.
The reason is that Goku's the best at martial art and learning techniques out of all of them.
People forget that what set Goku apart from the humans all the way until he went Super Saiyan wasn't anything inherent to his physique or species, it was his ability to learn, copy AND improve upon what he learned.
That's why he could use Kaioken times 4 against Vegeta, which King Kai thought impossible and then basically invented times 10 and times 20.
Everyone would need a second trip to King Kai to learn it in a way that make sense.

>>532713050
>I think three or four different people steal the Destructo Disk too.
It depends on if Freeza's Death Saucers was just one of his move or if he specifically got it from Krillin.
>>532713090
Legit the only case where I could see a Z fighter learn a technique as well or better than Goku is Chaozu with IT, since it's clearly more of a mystical / ESP type move.

>>532712861
NTA but if it's in the context of a group of people playing a game like a Quest rather than a single person writing a story I can guess it's a result of the players going "the more help we get early on the better, share the wealth."
Super Saiyan Bargain Sale type stuff is just a net benefit hard to ignore.

>>532712781
>at least with the kamehameha, you can justify it as a turtle school thing.
Which Roshi rather explicitly didn't teach them. Goku learned on his own after seeing it, Krillin learned it because he felt he could do it because Goku could, and Yamcha learned it offscreen. The first time anyone taught the Kamehameha was when Goku taught it to Gohan.

>>532712781
It's possible Kaio didn't teach it to them. He at least didn't teach them Genki Dama.

Tien also talked about learning Kaio's tricks to come up with his own moves, but that went nowhere unfortunately...

>>532713235
>Legit the only case where I could see a Z fighter learn a technique as well or better than Goku is Chaozu with IT, since it's clearly more of a mystical / ESP type move.
Reminds me of the way Granola used it where he could teleport other people without touching them, that could be a way for Chaozu to use it.

>>532712701
>Writing a fanmanga is very different from writing a fanfiction
you know, i have started to pick up on that, if for no other reason than because we discuss "paneling" here from time to time, and that's made me more conscious how like... shot composition and clarity of action. and i appreciate that you like my mindset.

>>532713090
again, King Kai said they learned faster than Goku did.

>>532713546
Don't forget Tien doing it just to show off. Or kid/GT Trunks having it too (because he's friends with Goten I guess?). Then there's Buu copying it, Uub and Pan (learning it from Goku?), hell even Videl and Chichi and for some fucking reason Bardock can do it in the games.

>>532713846
>Videl and Chichi and for some fucking reason Bardock can do it in the games.
Wait seriously? When did that happen?

>>532713835
No, they adapted to gravity and how to move within it faster, it has nothing to do with learning the actual moves.
>>532713653
It's not just that, in manga you won't write dialogues the same way you would in a novel and there's also stuff like description, the characters's feeling and their thoughts. It's all very different between pure text and a visual medium.

>>532713653
>and that's made me more conscious how like... shot composition and clarity of action.
DB's paneling has so many unwritten things that make them work that you may not catch all of them. Just the way panels flow in action scenes is something I never caught on until it was pointed out here...

>>532713846
Chichi kinda makes sense because her dad trained with Roshi and you could maybe stretch that Roshi was her teacher too and taught her later on. Videl though should have masenko if anything.

>>532713459
>NTA but if it's in the context of a group of people playing a game like a Quest rather than a single person writing a story
Good point, it's not really the same context.

>>532713994
>>532714163
Chichi and Videl both can use it as a custom move in Super Dragon Ball Z (the arcade fighter), and Videl can use it in XV2 as one of her custom skills. Bardock does it in Shin Budokai Another Road and also as one of his custom skills available in XV2. If I recall correctly Krillin and Yamcha also use Kaioken in XV1 and 2 and Krillin gets it and the Spirit Bomb in Supersonic Warriors.

>>532714486
Actually Krillin and Yamcha still don't have Kaioken presets in XV2, but you're right they did have that in XV1.

>>532714739
Huh, I thought they added that back in with the partner customization. Well my bad, I haven't used them in literal years.

>>532714486
Krillin didn't even train with King Kai, how would he have ever learnt it?

>>532714853
Goku could have taught him.

>>532714853
If I recall correctly Goku taught him those skills in Supersonic Warriors. Beats me for XV1, but it exists.
Also now I know why I got confused, the move and audio data for Krillin and Yamcha still is in XV2 (alongside Power Pole and some other odd skills). There's like a half dozen originals in Fusions that have it too.

>>532713846
Yeah Kamehameha is the one technique a large portion of the cast knows how to do. I feel Toriyama realized that made Goku less unique so in Z, whatever technique Goku learned became exclusive to him.

>>532714853
Same way he learned Kamehameha maybe.

The Kakarot DLC add so many cool stuff to Daima, like Goku's nyoibo becoming bigger, not just longer.

>>532715551
If I'm being entirely honest I think the Hirudegarn movie and later GT having the Dragon Fist end up be his signature move fits a lot better as something uniquely Goku's, it's got a lot more visual style and comes across as him paying homage to Shenron with it, and it's something he really made on his own.

>>532716042
Still so fucking stupid that Salagir doesn't think Goku deserves it. Stupid ass frog.

>>532716042
It's also basically an upgraded Oozaru punch that he used against Piccolo Daimao, which itself could count as a Janken upgrade, which is technically Goku's first named technique.
That and Goku desperately need a hand to hand supermove / ultimate.
Also technically, the move Goku used against Glorio in Kakarot to clash with his thunder spell seems to be an upgraded Janken, it's not named but it looks like the ingame Rock Janken.

>>532716160
Not just 'doesn't deserve it' but 'isn't cool enough for it'.
Also I've seen someone try to cope and tell me it was a joke.
Meanwhile Goku really did never use the Ryuken in 17 years of DBM.

Okay so let's say Goku learn a new move in the next movie or show and it's added to his regular move pool so it won't be a one off like God Bind.
What should that move be?

>Tuffle Quest
>"Oh how cute. These are the ones you think can defeat Shura, Melee?" the voice asks in the darkness in an almost flirtatious tone.
>The female demon glares hatefully behind you. "Enough of your games, Towa. Show yourself."
I shouldn't be surprised at Towa showing up when the characters are getting involved with the demon realm, but I have this bad habit of expecting such things to show up only around Z... At this rate there'll be a completely logical situation for Beerus to show up early on, and I'll be surprised at it.

>>532716160
>>532716405
>Only my jobber fusion who gets manhandled by a Namekian much cooler and more powerful than Piccolo is cool enough to use Dragon Fist!

>>532716585
Personally I'd like to see some kind of redirection move paired up with Ultra Instinct. Something that captures and/or reflects an attack, maybe like a non-sealing version of the Mafuba or something? Just like, something that can throw a big beam or blast right back at a foe.

>>532716676
Beerus? Nah, lazy cat is sleeping. Whis on vacation, playing tourist on a random planet? Sure.

>>532716585
Tough to say. It shouldn't be another beam type move since Kamehameha already has it covered (Most of Vegeta's new moves being beam types is lame).

Would probably better be a melee move, since Goku is more of a physical fighter, but then, how to make it stand out as a technique? Even the Oozaru punch he used to kill King Piccolo is just "punch harder". Dragon Fist is a weird, ki technique that I have no idea how it works too (Does he transform into a dragon? If so did he fly around the city when he used on Eis?). Goku is just, too complete of a fighter to come up with a fancy new technique that makes sense with his style...

>>532526569
damn. that's actually cool as hell. i miss Heroes.

>>532717808
Same. Same...

>>532716585
they should start using God Bind, the Tony Hawk Kamehameha, and the Super Instant Transmission Kamehameha Goku used against Aeos in Heroes to speed blitz her future sight more. Goku struggling to hold someone with God Bind while Vegeta charged a huge Final Flash during the ToP would've been sick.

they should just start taking shit from the gacha and Heroes, too.

>>532717471
Not a bad idea, I guess a portal trick would be too basic for that?
Maybe he could dance around the attack while slowly sealing in a jar on his belt or maybe one of his body part and then he can surprise release it later?
Or maybe that one move I saw in a fan animation where Goku kinda split / cancel an enemy beam with a hand gesture?
>>532717662
Yeah, I agree it probably should be a melee move.
Maybe it could be one of those combo supermoves that have a special effect / only work if you land the full combo? Like in Hokuto no Ken or the Hyugas in Naruto or the Heart Palm in Kill Bill?

>>532718072
>they should start using God Bind, the Tony Hawk Kamehameha, and the Super Instant Transmission Kamehameha Goku used against Aeos in Heroes to speed blitz her future sight more.
Do you mean basically combining all those moves into one? Also how was the Super Shunkan Ido Kamehameha different from the normal Instant Kamehameha?

>>532717662
>Goku is just, too complete of a fighter to come up with a fancy new technique that makes sense with his style...
I've seen people say Goku was lacking in grappling, maybe something related to that?

>>532717907
lot of cuties.. I think I'll take not-Homura

>>532718627
in general dbz tends to shy away from grappling and groundwork.

>>532718942
I mean, make sense, grappling is useless against a dude who lift way more than your body weight AND can fly.

>>532718224
>Also how was the Super Shunkan Ido Kamehameha different from the normal Instant Kamehameha?
He teleported so many times, so fast, Aeos couldn't keep up even with her future sight, using the teleportation to disorient her, which's different from Instant Kamehameha as that one is a surprise.

>>532719173
That's similar to the IT spam he did against Beerus.
Goku progressively used IT less and less in battle since BOG for some reason.

>>532719252
>Goku progressively used IT less and less in battle since BOG for some reason.
I get the feeling Black used it more than he did...

Did Goku use IT at all during ToP? Even when he was almost knocked out, Freeza kicked him back into the arena, when Goku could've just teleported...

>>532702652
Jesus Christ, I was ready for some bullshit but that's asinine.

>>532700060
Also I was so caught off guard I missed these entirely.
>but the primary one is Bulma and Yamcha's daughter Pantea.
That's a surprise. Amusing name pun. How did that happen though? Is she cute?
>Peppa, Gohan's twin sister, is the only one that actually got into a proper relationship, with Cocoa Amaguri.
Who is that? Name sounds familiar.

>>532719443
>Did Goku use IT at all during ToP?
Not sure. The problem is that it's sometime hard to tell an after-image / blitz moment and a IT moment.

>>532702652
>literally trying to force a vote for the kids to tell her that they would be okay with such a thing and getting upset when no one else went along with his idea (like usual).
Wait, he wanted the kids to be like 'We'd be fine with you cucking dad'? The fuck?

>>532718224
oh no no no, not all at once, that was meant to be a list of three different techniques. lol

What in the hell happened to this comic
I've never seen quality fall so quickly and the quality for multiverse was pretty low already

>>532720285
This is what the retards in charge of it consider 'the good stuff'.
>>532720208
Ah okay.

>>532720285
you expected a decent fancomic, expectations subverted ribbit ribbit

>>532719032
it ends up looking lame, too. they deliberately worked some grappling into Super Hero with Gohan's fight against Gamma 1, and it's so small-scale versus how fights usually go in DBZ where characters are getting punched through mountains and flying faster that a jet fighter.

>>532719530
>That's a surprise. Amusing name pun. How did that happen though?
A mostly player-driven effort to help them stay together, basically. Born around the same time Videl was, and the two grew up as childhood friends.
>Is she cute?
Picture CT's Lucca as a slightly bigger nerd, but with a dash more fight autism.

>Who is that? Name sounds familiar.
The chick from the Saiyaman filler in Super, the one that looks like Hilda from Pokemon.

>>532719961
Not in those exact words but basically yes. He wanted them in-character to go out and try to help Maple cheat on Goku with a robot bird lady. Literally the day they met, too.

>>532720447
Gohan's inazuma drop was fun, it's more of a ninja move than wrestling tho.

>>532720763
>He wanted them in-character to go out and try to help Maple cheat on Goku with a robot bird lady. Literally the day they met, too.
...Why? How? I'm so confused.

You go girl...

>>532720447
The grappling was treated as comedic too, since Gohan was doing it while talking with Piccolo.

>>532720916
>How?
Sometimes an option is added to write something in, maybe the guy tried a cucking route when that one showed up.

>>532720763
>Picture CT's Lucca as a slightly bigger nerd, but with a dash more fight autism
Oh so not just cute but besgirl. Based.
>The chick from the Saiyaman filler in Super, the one that looks like Hilda from Pokemon.
Oh shit her. I remember her.
>He wanted them in-character to go out and try to help Maple cheat on Goku with a robot bird lady. Literally the day they met, too.
What the actual fuck?

God this is so hot
Can someone mod me in a Xenoverse 2 Son Bra and Majin Bra but make Majin Bra nude and constantly at 1 health and she can't move and Son Bra can shout insults at her? Thanks

>>532721150
my dick belongs right there, in between them

>>532721150
That scene was DBM's best/worst moment. >>532530005 having such a massive ESL speech is the the funniest...

>>532721615
Uub...

>>532721231
>Sometimes an option is added to write something in,
I know, I'm just saying how do you even reach such a conclusion and wanting that to happen?

If Salagir was a good writer after Majin Bra she would've been sent back to her universe

>>532721806
If Salagir was a good writer the tournament would have ended right there. Arguably earlier given the number of times someone attacked the audience.

Neat Kakarot lore
>>532721806
>>532721927
If Salagir wasn't retarded, the characters would have an actual reason to keep the tournament going after the first rampage.

>>532721806
IF he was a better writer we would have seen her at least ATTEMPTING to break free OR Bra leaning fully into being evil, but he wanted to have his cake and eat it, hell you can even have her split jobhan in half just have her stop before she is about to kill Gohan trying to resist and Gohan encouraging her to not give up and when it seems like she won her hand moves on her own as babidi manipulated her body when she thought she was on the clear and thats when everyone returns and buu kills babidi leaving her with the huge M in her face

>>532722229
Is Kakarot a good game? I like the side stuff in it but I played the demo and wasn't too hot on the combat

>>532722229
If Salagir wasn't retarded, he wouldn't make a tournament where killing is allowed.

I know they have multiple sets of dragon balls, but it's insane to allow killing, and originally they would only resurrect everyone at the end of the tournament, but Gohan asked the Kaioshins to resurrect everyone earlier.

There are so many wrong things with the tournament that it's impossible to take it seriously...

>>532720916
>>532721231
>>532721354
>>532721719
All right, full context. Towa and Dabura plotted up a scheme to keep everyone out of their hair for a while, sending multiple characters to different timelines knowing we'd prioritize looking for them over interfering with their schemes. Only partially worked, but did end up with Goku being one of the people that got sent away.

While prepping for that and trying to make peace with the Machine Mutants after causing the destruction of M2/General Rildo, we come across a displaced planet from Universe 3 and end up helping the local inhabitants; the planet is entirely OC stuff but heavily inspired by Transformers (but also like, Zoids, Getter Robo, Gobots, and some other stuff), tying it back to Dragon Ball proper with the enemies of the whole thing using Destron Energy (the same kind of stuff as Raichi's Destron Gas but in a purer form). One of the leaders of good guy faction is this giant robot lady that turns into a bird (pic related), she and Maple ended up on friendly terms, and that was enough for the Schizo to decide Maple should forget about rescuing Goku entirely and hook up with her. And that also the kids were okay with this and would support it. And also write up yet more fapfics about this new pairing.

Why? I honestly don't fucking know. I try not to comprehend the broken logic his mind works on because he has actual Schizophrenic arguments with himself and his alts.

>>532721719
Maybe a more extreme version of "I can improve this story", only this guy is so delusional he either doesn't realize how massively out of character that is for everyone, or doesn't care because he thinks his version is so good that OOC is acceptable.

>>532722987
Or he just want to force his fetish on everyone, 'magical realm' style.
>>532722505
I liked it. If that helps, the combat gets better as you fight stronger bosses and unlock skills in the talent tree, the DLCs also improved upon the combat too.
You'll have fun if you like going around exploring the map and talking to random NPC for neat little lore.

>>532722595
>If Salagir wasn't retarded, he wouldn't make a tournament where killing is allowed.
Yeah, from the start that part made no sense since the Vargas were clearly non-violent good guys, the only way that would have made sense is if they were pseudo-Vulcans, who are completely neutral and just want to observe the tournament.

>>532722948
>and that was enough for the Schizo to decide Maple should forget about rescuing Goku entirely and hook up with her.
That just make it so much worse.
>Only partially worked, but did end up with Goku being one of the people that got sent away.
I hope Goku won't have just been twiddling his thumbs once he finally get found.

>>532723510
And even in that case, it makes no sense the Kaioshins would allow killing, because while the Vargas have the technology, the Kaioshins are the ones running the show. But this is the same tournament where Kaioshins allowed two Majin Buus to participate... The same Kaioshins who are extreme enough to kill babies because they could be a threat someday.

>>532722948
Okay first, that's an interesting way to go about trying to mesh in a crossover with a non-Dragon Ball series without straying too much from Dragon Ball.

Second, holy fucking shit. This dude sounds insufferable.

>>532723947
>he same Kaioshins who are extreme enough to kill babies because they could be a threat someday.
Wait, WHAT?!