Thread 532891430

Three (Wise) Men Edition

>Update 8.1 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/236-patch-notes-8-1

>Update 8.0 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/230-patch-notes-8-0

>June community update:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/229-june-community-update

>Roadmap:
https://i.imgur.com/38C5Cg9.jpeg

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general
https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks

Previously on the Battle-Barge: >>531832645

15% melee damage or restoring health on terminus/extremis finishers for vanguard?

>>532891984
do you have brain damage

>>532894195
unnecessarily hostile AND doesn't answer the question
try again

>>532891984
>>532894856
These are the perks you're talking about

>>532894856
If you need that question answered, you're too stupid to understand the answer.

>>532895092
Well the funny thing is I know who has brain damage here
Here is the question in a better format for acoustic children
A)
>Melee Champion
>Team Perk
>All Squad Members deal 15% more Melee Damage
or
B)
>Unmatched Zeal
>Team Perk
>Melee Finishers of Extremis or Terminus enemies restores health by 30%
Which of these are better to take, is the question.
NOT
Adrenaline rush, which is a signature skill for majoris enemies and is a class perk which is in a completely different column.
All you people seem to do is throw out the first insult you can and not even bother attempting to answer. You can't pretend to be smug and superior and above something when you start out swinging with not even having basic reading comprehension.

>>532891984
Ruthless and lower you should take ability charge on majoris+ execution. Lethal+ and siege you should take heal on extremis+ execute. The melee boost is not horrible but it is considerably less useful.

>>532894856
its not hostile, thats a you problem
and youll get answer when you answer the question because the answer is dependent on your answer

I wonder what in the world can they put in the upcoming community update that won't be dust in the wind? If it isn't new BP, an announcement of series of events with gear rewards and a robust explanation what is it that they're focusing, then it'll further serve as proof they really don't give a rat's ass about this game.
Not that they did from the beginning.

>>532895896
Probably a community event with the phobos helmet(It looks pretty great ngl) some balancing updates, hopefully some siege mode patches to solve the enemy stuck outside of bounds glitch. They will probably show off details on a new mission and the versus mode, hopefully details on the new class. Maybe also what chapter packs are coming next. I think it will be the templar champion and the imperial fists chapter pack

>>532894195
50% or so players (someone pls post current steam chievo stats) have never completed a ruthless op and have no idea how skills fit in absolute meta

>>532896953
>Probably a community event
Fucking niggers locking shit behind """"events"""" i'm sick of that fomo shit.

>>532891984
Vanguard is so spoiled for good team perk choice that the 15% melee damage boost that would be a good contender for must-take on some other classes pales in comparison to the spamming boost of cooldown reduction and the utter brokenness that is extremis heals on lethal and above

>>532899046
>50% or so
Right now it's only about 20% who actually went and finished an op on ruthless.

>>532895896
Last update did mention "more will be revealed in july and august" about new content so there might be a hint of new battle pass, but let's not forget they still have "postponed" stuff to deliver from the first one.
>>532896953
Yeah, the Phobos helmet looks good and I want it for my Raptors, but I almost expect them to do a 180 on that helmet and they'll put out Mk VIII with the aquila instead. It's completely baseless what I'm posting but we'll be very lucky if they even consider adding a reward at all.

>>532899046
Those are also irrelevant stats, it's not active players, it's overall players, 90% aren't even playing the game anymore, we can reasonably know that any active player for a couple of weeks or more has done absolute missions.

siege mode was a disaster and the thread is on life support

>>532911667
Imagine, if they didn't waste time on siege mode we could've had at least 3 more operations.

>>532900365
wait, there's a new helmet leaked?

>>532906462
Ok so this *is* brain da.mge

>>532912202
Having gotten the pimple helmet on hard and grinded the weapon skins I wanted in normal
I wish I could go back and bitch slap myself and everyone who wanted siege mode, I would much, MUCH rather just have even two new operations than siege mode which is just so boring at this point

>>532914123
>pimple helmet
This was a waste of dev resources to make if I ever saw one.
>I wish I could go back and bitch slap myself and everyone who wanted siege mode
I get where you're coming from but it would've amounted to nothing. Saber would've still have released a subpar mode and there's next to nothing we could've done. I mean look at the amount of complaints their mediocre customization system has done and it took them only 6 months or more to realize that and start working on a "solution".
Also, why they didn't just take the Exterminatus mode from the first game and build upon is beyond me, but maybe I'm looking for some common sense among this krokodil-smoking dev team.

Desu since we have been spread so thin and most people itt arent even playing the game anymore it would be useful to create an infographic or pastebin with a basic faq for new players. Otherwise we'll keep having newpeople writing shit like
>neurothrope is glitched, i kept shooting him with lascan while it was at 1% hp and it wouldnt die
Like yesterday, or people asking about vangaurd team perks. Inb4 it will never take off because people will end up arguing about fencing v blocking again

>>532915638
A dude was putting together a graphic of recommended prestige perks, but he got like halfway and I haven’t seen him since

i watched a steam reply of me playing the other night while piss drunk and its pretty funny, i look like a normy. it takes me a good 3 seconds to aim an auspex and i kept forgetting i had no ammo

how long would it take to grind the color weapon skins off seige?

>>532927928
just play normal 1-5 then quit and restart
no point playing higher levels since it'll take longer
most optimal path is tactical, either bulwark/assault, heavy then sniper
tactical alone will net you most guns, thanks to thunderhammer being on bulwark you can play either and assault isn't punishing in normal 1-5 so you can use either
only heavy and sniper have specific guns that only they can access

When's the balance update?

ive tried playing healbot bulwark but seems like my allies dont know how to click their contested hp back

>>532915638
Not a bad idea.
>>532919771
Yeah, I was, I didn't abandon the chart. I just haven't gotten around to doing the board for Assault. It's still a WIP but if anyone wants to chip in on what should be the right set of perks for the class then let me know. You can even add some synergies or notes that I'll put for context or something of that kind.
After that more details can be ironed out.

>>532944928
as an assault main i would say unyielding oath and adrenaline boost are mandatory. i also use fortitude and practiced aim. i could see how someone might want to use duelist. scrambled targeting is okay, i used it before unyielding oath was patched in. i dont think commendation is good

apo larp bulwark is so based. purple chainsword deals so much damage with the damage on block perk fix

idk if dealing 300 aoe damage on a bock is over powered, every single engagement is awesome

>>532957307
>it’s the quick punch guy again

>>532957842
quick punch is awesome

play space marine 2

>>532965487
I think you’re actually the only one still playing

>>532965487
The fundamental issues with the game that saber refuse to fix put me off too much to play regularly, my friends haven't even played the game at all for months.
I've done everything worth doing, I'll pop back in for a little whenever new content drops.

I am fortifying this thread.

>>532958206
>plants a flag
>pushes enemies outside the area of effect
i do this a lot too ;_;

>>532988268
forgot picrel

>open game first day after getting back from vacation
>queue up
>no party found
>have to cancel the search twice because it wanted me to play against chaos
>get into game
>immediately get hit with a bug that costs me half my health bar (perfect dodge not registering)
>quit in frustration
They really fumbled this game at this point

>>533000102
What else is there? I still don't like dark tide because the levels are boring copy pasted and have been forever. They openly lied to players too about how fast we would get content. I've played vermintide to death. Same with payday. I don't care for helldivers.

>>532944928
Nice that you're back Brother. I'd say that for Assault these are the best picks imo:

>Unyielding oath - YMMV; you generally don't became invulnerable right as you jump into the air
>Adrenaline Boost - mandatory first pick
>Duellist - YMMV; it's a good pick but only if you really want to increase your parry window
>Fortitude - recommended/mandatory; increasing your overall health will obviously increase your eHP so in total you are more resistant to damage
>Scrambled targeting - recommended; especially for siege mode where you're constantly surrounded by minoris or enemies in general
>Practiced aim - recommended; obviously for ranged damage
>Commendation - not recommended; pointless and needs to be reworked into a completely different perk

>>533003257
I mean
If darktide is not it because it has too few missions and the content hasn't been delivered as fast as it was once said to be, then SM2 is really not the game to solve that issue. At least DT has had a few years to resolve the issues it had at the start by now, SM2 is not even on pace to match that.

>>533004058
I like the gameplay of sm2 more. When I played dark tide I just wish I was playing vermin.

>>533004272
using melee all the time in darktide gets old

>>532945583
>>533003459
Ok, thanks Brothers. I'll update the chart accordingly and post it today.

>>533000102
Connectivity is an issue, but mostly when you've got crossplay turned on. Their biggest sin is the way they limited personalizing our Dudes. I can get the whole "identity" bullshit they are selling, but come one, most of cosmetics could easily be shared between classes. And that's before we even talk about adding more gear.

Outside of that you're pretty spot on when it comes to bugs, because every time they introduce a new patch I shudder to think how many new ones it's going to bring.

I don't even know why they bother with PSTs anymore because not only does it (pointlessly) extend the time between every update but any feedback they might get is lost in the ether. Some of it might be patched in but the majority won't.

>>533024616
The reason they do PTS is so that by the time an update hits live, people will already have played everything in it and looked over everything from every angle. That way, when an update finally makes it to live, all the hype will be drained from the most dedicated players! Wait...

>>533024616
>>533028021
The PTS is to buoy MAUs during stretches between content releases.

>>532944928
>>533015971
Alright, here's updated chart. There's much room for extra annotations and if there's something requiring change in terms of already existing recommendations then go ahead and let me know.

Big if true, Brothers.

>>533040182
>assault buffs: perk that boosts running attack damage increased to +45%
>increased vanguard healing to 45% to keep balance intact
>no fixes for block weapons, but to compensate for the bugs they're unable to fix they're giving block users a 50% passive damage resistance
>balanced power sword variants: -5% damage
>three unusable perks for tactical, sniper, and bulwark replaced with insane metabreaking new ones (they have the default tactical class icon as their icon because the guy making perk icons is still bedridden)
>biovore health increased by 35%
>zoanthrope beam damage increased
>neurothrope health increased by 150% to make it more challenging (they ran out of ideas for how to do that besides making the fight last longer)
>not listed in patch notes: tons of bugs, including one that makes gun strikes deal 10% of the damage they're supposed to

>>533040182
No PTS? I'm almost impressed.
Then again, they might still do a 180 and put it up there.

>>533040182
Also I'm fairly certain what she's referring to is actually that there will be a community update tomorrow that will specify the date when 9.0 releases
Not that 9.0 will release tomorrow

>>533041945
>>assault buffs
Haha, implying. I can imagine them deciding armor on gunstrike is too strong in threat average, replacing it with armor on jetpack dodge (because for some reason noone is using it), and giving it to heavy instead (to encourage melee heavy builds)

Ssssh...he's sleeping

>>532982376
Very good brother.

>>532965487
I burnt myself out so I'm playing other gaem. Siege was fun, wish it had a bit more arena variety though

>>533039675
Updated version. My bad for littering the thread but there were some typos, a few rewrites and a couple of adjustments to the visual side of things.

>>533045552
Well, if this is going to be actual update then we're about 12 hours away from finding out. But it would be very out of place for Saber to release a supposedly "big" balance patch without any notice.

should i use the free armor every 30 seconds bulwark team perk? or keep the -50% decay white hp perk. i use heal flag seems like the decay is more useful

>>533055975
I'd say stick with your gimmick if it works well for you

>>533051548
We've got just the man for the job.

>>533055975
There’s good arguments for both
3 armor every 30 seconds across the team is pretty strong, but it doesn’t “save” the armor if that makes sense, it just checks every 30 seconds, and if you have full armor, no dice
So if you’re in a fight with no armor for 25 seconds, then get a couple executions and get to full armor, then at exactly 30 seconds you have full armor you get nothing from it, even if you take a hit and lose all that armor at 30.1 seconds
Whereas the -50% saves a lot of health over the course of a game, cuz usually when you take a big hit and lose a lot of HP you get locked in a knockback animation, so by the you’re able to start shooting to get back contested HP it’s usually already started draining, so that extra time helps a lot there
I don’t know if there’s any real way to figure out which is better mathematically

>>533040182
>29th - a community event
>30th - a community update
If this gal, who's often on a power trip, is to be trusted then the event *would* coincide with release of 9.0. Anyway, it'll be clear in a few hours.

>>533054297
This is coming along nicely. There should be more infographs similar to this one. Everybody likes infographs.

I am once again asking for your bulwark and vanguard fashions. These fuckers have the worst customization in the game.

even chapter master gets better post release support than this game

>>533081267
The key to fashion in this game is to keep it as minimalistic as possible and mostly just use the default armor pieces with a clean-looking exception here and there

Fisting.

A full yellow squad.

Stalker bolt rifle is nice. Really wish bolt sniper was better.

>>533097996
White helmet on Fists look so fucking stupid, I don’t what the fuck GW was thinking
Fists look the best if you drop the white and change all the red to black
And change the stupid blue eyes to red

>>533098563
Yeah I agree. Fists going codex compliant was a mistake (Dorn knew this).

>>533098563
To add on to this they also totally break the rule of 3rds, or the 60-30-10 rule or whatever you wanna call it
Yellow, red, white, black, and blue is too fucking much and clashes too much
Fists should be 60% yellow (dominant color) 30% black (secondary color) and 10% red (accent color)

>>533098563
just use the legion pattern then

>>533098174
augh

>>532944928
Commendation is trash
Scrambled targeting is meh
Practiced aim, duelist, fortitude, adrenaline boost are all great
Unyielding oath can be good but only for ground pounding builds since most of the time you don't want to be sitting there airborne.

>>533101935
I do, but I hate the amount of Fisters I see with white helmets

>>533055975
free armor every 30second is better against melee damage but worse against ranged attrition
The contested is most useful for when your slow ass is standing back up after a knockdown but armor can sometimes stop all that damage entirely because any amount of armor prevents all melee damage
its mostly personal preference or how much your teammates already have armor restoration

>>533081267
Keep it (mostly) simple. And keep pic related in mind.

>>533111350
Autism. Do whatever you want. I intentionally make garish annoying fuckers in ultramarine getup with all the high-tier equipment because it looks stupid and over the top.

>>533114245
Well if you know it looks stupid and over the top, that’s on you
At least you’re not trying to claim otherwise

>>533115771
>stupid and over the top
nta, but this is war fuckin hammer. in the grim darkness of the 41st millenium there is only dark grimness.

Gee, I wonder how they went about those perks.

>>533116949
mfw sister hylia is shitposting with us itt >>533050661

>>533081267
obligatory

Update in 13 minutes lads.

>>533081267
>>533117664
this is what I normally sport though. the only non-standard pieces are the rogue trader pauldron and the leg piece with a skull decal

>>533081267
Bare bones Mk 6 looking armor looks the best on vanguard. I rock Sons of Malice.

>>533118479
I also play Marines Malevolent because I'm a blistering asshole.

Patch notes are up:

https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/247-patch-notes-update-9-0

>>533118696
At least they added nice graphic this time.

>>533118828
lmao

>>533118696
>buff a lot of ranged weapons
>except the ones that need it most get the smallest buffs while the already great ones get sizable buffs
>"Note: The AoE is not working properly on this perk. This will be fixed in the next patch"
jesus h christ

>We are adjusting Datavault UI and internal unlock logic to make it expandable in the future, so adding new entries to it would not affect already given out rewards.
how do you even fuck something that simple up

>>533119107
>add aoe to the perk
>but the aoe doesn't work
>we'll fix it, pinky promise
send help, i'm dying

>>533118696
>Updated "Winged fury"
>doesn't work yet
Why not leave it out for the next patch then? Still, they did buff lot of shit so we'll see how this will work in practice.

Lmao, saber addressed assault haters:
>git gud.
>- Dmitry Grigorenko, Game Director.

>>533119928
so basically they work so frantically they have lost control over what features are and are not in the release. The intern changed the perk, the qa noticed it was buggy, the intern didn't manage to fix it on time, but they forgot to roll it back either and they only noticed when they were writing the patch notes.

>>533118696
>Fixed several issues Power Sword stance changing during certain animations
>The behavior should be very close to pre patch 8.
>However, we can't match them 1:1 because some of its behavior was only working because of a bug that we have to fix and because of the cool new little functionality that will be introduced in the next patch.
Interesting what "little functionality he's talking about", but good Lord, why some good features in this game have to be a result of bugs?
I mean kudos to them for trying to revert it, but come on... I get that a modder might struggle but they're the ones making the game, it should be piss easy to replicate.

>>533118696
>fencing weapons are the fastest with lowest damage
>block slowest with highest damage
>balanced is actually between the two stat wise
Seems interesting. I hate slow melee weapons though, so I might give up on block.

>>533121205
this is just how they initially envisioned weapon balance before adding unique mechanics to blocking weapons. i don't understand why they bring this back, blocking playstyle is hard enough, it doesn't need to be penalized further by making weapons slower.

>>533121205
>>533121547
I have a personal philosophy to game balance, as someone who has spent too much time modding / tweaking existing mods. Every 1 boon should always be counteracted by exactly 1 malus at a time. If you try to rebalance things in one shot with multiple variables all at once, you are most likely to screw things up and make everyone unhappy.

>>533118696
>potentially more rewards from ordeals
I wish they were setting it up as a go-to in-game reward system for events.
>>533121205
That's a pretty reasonable distinction. At least balance won't be as much of a unwanted child as it has been so far and fencing/block will have their niche.

>datavault entry for the trygon
how did it take this long

>>533121205
I really hope this doesn't absolutely ruin block's feeling.
Also
>block is now slow when it is the one weapon type that really wants fast attacks to fit more into their adrenaline window
>fencing is entirely designed as a wet noodle parry button with no damage
>balanced is still the middle child that no one wants to actually use
Balanced should've been made into a mid damage but high speed weapon type instead

>>533120003
And yet they made it so assault can have slower CHP drain without needing a bulwark babysitter, which should really help its survivability

>>533124806
I can already tell you that a 1 speed chainsword feels like shit to use.

>balance has been given absolutely wild cleave stats across every weapon
huh

>>533125501
would be pretty funny if they only changed the meaningless numbers displayed in the ui and forgot to modify the actual weapons code

I guess that answers we're not getting any meaningful rewards this time.
I'd like to get my helmets Saber. Thank you very much.

>>533125978
They most certainly did not, the block chainsword is pretty rough for speed now. Haven't tested the rest of the weapons except balance chainsword yet though.

On the other hand, it has an insane damage stat and ground pound damage is now no longer as dependent on weapon type
So, with just the precision strike perk (and knowledge of the enemy, not sure if that has an impact), you can do this shit
Unfortunately I always liked the dodge leaning assault so this doesn't really do much for me personally, but for those that like to goomba stomp that has never been more powerful

>>533125501
>1 speed
>1 cleave
What the fuck
At least balanced gets a better way to deal with getting swarmed by minoris now i guess assuming their weapon even has an animation to hit that many

This is a dark day for block knife enjoyers, the fencing knife was always dog shit because it’s speed was so low you couldn’t maintain a combo while changing the direction of your attacks, the most important thing for keeping minoris off of you and the main pain point of the knife. Does the increased damage even hit any break points? I guess it’s going to hit bosses harder with shadow stab now but damn the speed is disgusting.

fucking xp? that's it?

>>533118696
Lol there's even less reason to use block now

Blocktrannies taking a big L

>>533125501
what's cleave for?

>>533130126
how many dudes you can hit per swing and deal damage to

>>533128423
Knife is actually fine from initial testing. Speed 4 is still usable, and the extra cleave should be pretty big against tzaangors.
Chainsword feels a lot worse on the other hand, and I dread how the power sword will feel now.

Everyone will use Balance now, based Straban forcing everyone to fall in line.

OK hear me out.

Block weapons are actually better now, because the base damage increase significantly decreased the ttk.

>>533130849
>slow
No

>>533131142
Yes and I'll edit some clips together to show you that they still fuck.

>QM keeps putting me with a pair of french idiots doing inferno no matter what
>the pair have somehow concluded that I'm the bad one and are continuously kicking me whenever the game forces me back into their squad
People really have stopped playing at this point huh

>>533131229
Keep coping

Feel free to die on the Block hill because no one will

>>533130294
Is it fast enough to change directions between the wide slashes?

>>533131142
mfw i only used blockhammer anyway so i don't care about the speed or the ground pound adjustment

>>533131616
The hammers heavy feels very good now. Light is still trash but it was never gonna be good without heavy stun.
>>533131535
Wdym?

>>533131767
The fencing knife used to be too slow to light heavy light (quick slash into the two wide cleaving slashing) while changing the direction of the attacks, like cleaving left then cleaving to the right, it’s slow speed would cause the combo to drop during the direction change. Can the “new” block knife change direction mid combo or is it too slow?

>>533130849
It'll depend on the weapon
Block knife gained extra cleave instead of more damage from the speed loss so single target TTK reduced, but it still feels basically the same
Chainsword meanwhile is all up to if it has any new break points, otherwise it'll be a lot less powerful
Same with power sword, the reduction to speed 1 is going to be a big hit even if the damage stat has jumped all the way to 17
Fist and hammer are probably just better right? I don't think heavy attack charge time is increased by the speed stat so they effectively just got damage buffs, they'll smash one-shots even harder now

>>533131535
I noticed no new jank when trying it so far, still feels the same to control but just a tiny tad slower.

>>533131374
Block weapons are back down to 3 bugs affecting them, if the speed loss is made up for by the increased damage then the type is going to be more powerful now than it has been since 8.0.

Fencing have the lowest damage means you'll be kicked out of games in Absolute and Hard siege mode since you won't be killing anything in melee with like 10-12 damage and zero cleave.

>>533132103
*will* be kicked? you haven't been kicking fencing noobs for 2 updates? lmao poser!

>>533132103
>fake headcanon fantasies to cope about Block getting the shaft
Sad

This is very good now.

Block's value will be determined entirely by how well it can one shot majoris still and balanced can only be good if the mega cleave can legitimately make up for not being able to reliably parry minoris surrounding them
Fencing will still be the reliable gunstriker dude but now way more annoying to play otherwise as just swinging your weapon normally is probably not even worth it half the time as it hits a random gaunt instead of the warrior

>>533132636
Never seen Fencing players kicked but I've been in a couple of Hard siege mode games where Block users were votekicked out before Wave 5.

This time however the lowest damage and no cleave means Fencing players will get kicked since they're not killing shit with those weapons.

Block is slow but still has the highest damage. Everyone else will fall into Balance.

>>533132636
Are you one of the kids who rage quit after I refuse your 9th vote kick on the third guy? There are two of you autists who Seem to play 24 hours a day. Can you also stop dying please. Thanks, my block list is full.

People who use Fencing don't play melee anyway, they're the ones with low melee scores because they just execute spam and use the full animation invulnerability

>>533133154
>what is a meme

5 seconds reading through this general on any given day and you can understand why this game has a dead player count. Extremely autistic ragepig purists ruin every game they touch. 40K fans are among the absolute worst. I get it, games are your life. It's all you have. I'm sorry for that but it's not my problem.

Went into siege normal mode to test the new assault with block chainsword, since I'm more likely to be doing that difficulty in siege than hard
You can nuke half a wave as it spawns, instantly killing majoris enemies, and get your jump charge back
Plus chainsword light swings kill tzaangors in one hit there

>>533132990
>Fencing players will get kicked since they're not killing shit with those weapons
Bulwark will still pop shock grenades everywhere
Still very annoying that the dude who blocks with a giant shield is actually best with the non block weapon

>>533133765
Nah, if they don't switch to Balanced weapons they too will get kicked since they already do the least damage out of all the classes.

Using Block is still retarded but Fencing is a far worse option now.

Has the block bug causing blocking not to apply the debuff to the enemy been fixed?

>>533134543
It has, see patch notes
So block weapons compared to 8.0 have basically just seen a massive improvement

New skins might be really good, but that's just going off of names in descriptions.
Also that Xenophase blade.

>>533131959
https://youtu.be/uH1YpMCrZ0k?feature=shared

>>533134829
what does heroic mean? new champion skin?

>>533134829
>xenophase blade for my bulwark
Fuck yeah

Reminder that you can't kick anybody out of a party without your friend voting along with you, so all of these posts are roleplaying since nobody here has a friend.

>>533135462
It's just the name of a skin, like 'Survivor's Helmet' etc. I don't think these are going to be tied to any champion skin.
They'll be unlockable either through ordeals points or some conditional task as it was the case for that helmet I mentioned.

>>533134829
>combi bolter
What did they mean by this
Specifically a skin for the grenade launcher bolt rifle? Combi weapons aren't in the game currently.

>>533136049
The GL bolter is a combibolter variant

Needs a melta, plasma and flamer version though

>>533134152
>Balanced
>get surrounded by eighty hormagaunts
>permanently staggered out of the parry

Balanced Power Fist having 12+ cleave seems worth trying out a bit. Cleave caps were very noticeable on the artificer block one when you threw a charged up thrust into a big clump of dudes in Siege.

>>533137264
Yeah. Cleave is very powerful to have on the powerfist

Block will and was always a fucking meme. Nothing beat a gunstrike.

>>533137264
Fencing power fist also has enough strength now to reach the same breakpoints as the old block one. But that would mean taking overcharge on a fencing weapon instead of armor on gunstrike so what's the point?

Yeah jesus christ. Balance weapons seem the way to go unless new block damage is enough to meet some important breakpoint. But balance all seem to have gotten their cleave and speed more than doubled while also buffing the shit out of their damage.

>>533143565
Yes >>533135210

>>533143689
>>533143689
I'm sure they do great in 1v1's like they did before. But nearly all block weapons have had their group dps kneecapped. Where as balanced have been buffed to high hell and some fencing are straight better than before like fencing power sword.

>>533144250
I think the only one that has worse cleave is the powerfist.

>>533134829
>05
>heroic
It kinda looks like it that is going to be a new level of weapons that they will introduce. Right now we have 4: Standard, Master-Crafted, Artificer, Relic. So the 5th could be called 'Heroic'.

>>533145181
Power fist lost cleave, power sword lost cleave unless you were using the purple block one in which case it's the same, chainsword and thunder hammer are the same and the knife actually traded some speed for cleave.

But balance weapons just have so much fucking cleave and speed now. Speed is whatever on power fist I think it helps with chaining to the instant back fist for dealing with groups but the cleave makes it way more reliable at actually hitting the majoris I'm aiming for in a group.

>>533126786
I'm able to one shot warriors with balanced power fist and precision and no finisher buff. Uncharged ground pound. I really think it's the way to go now.

>>533145630
Yeah. The powerfist relic cleave was actually something I liked, but it was very niche.

>>533143689
So one issue I had during testing with power sword and chainsword was that they were so slow that I had to interrupt my attacks way too soon in order to block damage. In theory, the damage is huge, but in practice you're hardly going to have the time and space to get the attacks out when fighting against groups. Only applies for those two though, the other three weapons are basically unaffected (which is good, because I REALLY like knife).

>>533146837
Now if the explosion wasn't bugged it wouldn't be a big issue, but the weapons themselves will still do increased stagger so don't be afraid of just swinging. At this point I'm starting to feel they don't want to admit that the block explosion was ever a feature.

Holy FUCK
ahahahahahaha

>>533149312
Yeah it's cool and all but will it help me reach new breakpoints?

>>533149518
Maybe on bulwark. Going to test it right now. The reduced cleave might be a problem tho.

So do the Assault perks make him better?

>>533149675
Oh yeah. I was gonna ask someone if balanced can hit the one shot breakpoint on bulwark with less perks. But block should totally hit it now. Guess it's another shitty patch for assault that actually buffs bulwark. Again.

>>533149994
Maybe but retribution should have been reworked not removed. The biggest change is ground pound damage being normalized. Best change so far.

Also, block chainsword on extremis. That terminator didn't stand a chance.
https://youtu.be/lpdk_kdooPU?feature=shared

>>533150245
bulwark boomers can't stop winning

>>533145548
It's going to be a red-coded tier. Mark my words. The real question is what could they possibly do for each weapon in that ultimate tier?

>We heard your feedback regarding the Assault class being too weak and we agree, but to a point. The amount of effort it takes to play it right doesn't outweigh the benefits, which shouldn't be the case. However, the Assault class can one shot most of the enemies on hardest difficulty, it is already very strong against Tyranids, yet against Chaos it struggles a lot. So we think that the problem isn't in the Assault kit itself, it's the Chaos army composition and that will be changed soon.

Do the devs even play their own game? A fully charged ground pound does not "one shot" most enemies, not even warriors are one shotted by it so what the fuck are they even smoking.

>>533152826
1 more mastery point, thatll fix the weapons.

>>533134829
>xenophase blade
I AM GOING TO CUM

>>533152874
They did say they're adding more changes to him next patch. But the biggest change so far is ground pound damage being normalized. Too bad all the ground pound damage perks with exception to precision strike are still garbagio

Also ground pound can absolutely 1 shot every enemy, esp now that parry bonus actually work now.

>>533152874
There are builds that at least claim to be able to do it, I haven't played them because dodge build is much cooler but it should be possible.
The funnier part is that this means that a conditional one-shot on a small group every 40 seconds is considered very strong by them, when you then have bulwark's 5 second cooldown parry and tactical doing auspex shenanigans on basic melee actions.

Old assault one shot setup lets block powerfist level 2 charge then instant back fist to put warriors into execute range. Balanced can't. So that's pretty good. Although I am pretty digging the ability to one shot with balanced while still having massive cleave and actual parries.

>>533150245
Reporting back from >>533149675
Bulwark can now one shot majoris without any buffs with block power fist. I'll try balanced in a bit, I want to see is block knife on sniper is agony now.

>>533153161
Yeah by using block and getting the two charges. What if you're running balanced or fencing?

>>533154106
you could do it even before the block big changes, but only with block thunder hammer

>>533154106
So there was actually an old breakpoint that allowed you to 1 shot warriors with the fencing hammer. It was removed because tyrannid slayer was removed. Now that they have higher base damage it is possible that we have a new breakpoint now. Still needs testing

>>533154106
Balanced power fist can put warriors into execute with precision ground pound.

You can level 2 charge and instant backfist with balanced against rubrics but not warriors. Balanced level 2 charge will also one shot enlightened tznaggers

>>533154307
It's a conditional one shot and they make it sound like every single ground pound with any weapon is one shotting anything. They're also making it sound like assault is really good somehow when every other class is much better than him. Name a single thing that assault does better than any other class and the answer would be nothing.

>>533155220
he's the fastest boi

>>533155717
Vanguard with the right perks has more mobility AND gets both armor sections back on top of a large invulnerability window whenever he uses his grapple.
Assault just gets charge back depending on how many kills he gets per use. Someone lobbed a grenade and killed most of the gaunts? 30% charge refund.

>>533155220
It's as much as a conditional one shot as any. It's just factual that he has the ability to 1 shot majoris and even extremis. Doesn't really mean the rest of his class is good.

bolt sniper is still terrible

>>533156358
Tell that to sabre, they think assault is fine because he can one shot enemies.

Is there some new fucking glitch with assault's jet pack? I got knocked back by a helbrute then when I got up I tried three times to take to the skies while my character is walking forward and just does nothing.

Yeah OK balanced thunderhammer can 1 shot warriors now with diligence /pride and duty. Hurray

Why shouldn't the slow weapon have the most cleave? Block and Balance should swap that stat if they want to go down this route.

>>533156752
They aren't done with his perk changes though and since they actually normalized ground pound damage and make HoW apply on any jetpack usage I think they're aware of the many of his problems now.

I swear Tzeentch is the one handling the updates and he's just fucking with Assault players now.

>>533158864
Lol why did they even change the perk description when it isn't functional? Also I've heard it only works with the thunderhammer because it's a bulwark perk, but I haven't tested it yet.

>>533155116
So you can level 2 instant back fist with balanced to kill rubrics, you need block to do it against warriors. Balanced does the combo a few frames faster. Both of them can one shot majoris with precision ground pound.

The speed stat is still pretty whatever for powerfist. So it's whether or not you want better crowd control with balanced with its faster combo charge attacks and higher cleave or better 1v1 from block with it's ability to kill warriors faster and probably hit some one shot breakpoints on extremis that balanced can't. Like I know old block fist was pretty close to one shotting thropes before I'm 100% sure it can do it now but I don't have the training arena mod set up to check.

>>533159032
most likely due to this >>533120312

>>533159209
Seems like they need to work on their communication then. The quality of their past few patches suggest they have a structural problem as well as a manpower one.

THIS PATCH SUCKS

>>533159970
7/10 no ABR buffs, adrenaline surge explosion fix, and melee chp fix.

>>533159970
meh, it's not that bad. It'd be a stretch to say they are slowly learning, but it's a step in the right direction in some way.

What is cool is the sneak peek into tomorrow's community update (not that we didn't know about it already)

>>533160187
Why did they not buff the heavy bolt rifle at all either? It's fucking garbage.

>>533152826
max stats
max mastery
bright pink fluorescent paint

>Speed reduced to such a retarded degree that Block and Fencing are now worthless in terms of actual melee combat
90% bonus damage on Block doesn't fucking mean anything when Balanced can swing five times in the same attack window, what the fuck.

>>533158565
No, they're basically done with the changes to assault. They don't think it's bad, just bad against chaos, and chaos is being changed later (I assume it's the chaos spawn that's coming from the leaks). So yeah, they think the class is basically equivalent of all the other classes.

>>533161753
>So yeah, they think the class is basically equivalent of all the other classes.
lol

So, is balanced king now ?

>>533163275
Yeah, it's not even close. Disregarding it having barely negligible losses in speed compared to fencing, and barely being -2 beneath block, the cleave stat being pumped to +10 across the board means all your AOE attacks now just nuke everything around you. None of this shit where your Power Fist gets cockblocked when targeting the Thousand Sun behind a horde of Tzaangors, you just punch through and liquify everything.

Oh no, have they ruined the game again?

>>533163275
I think it definitely has a place now. Block power fist got some new breakpoints which help it against nids but it didn't really need help against nids already. Balanced can hit its old breakpoints and more now.

I’ve been saying this game needs this shit since day fucking 1
From learned hitstun stagger resistance was necessary back in DS3
But I guess better late than never

>>533152874
If the devs actually played their game, bots would've received a look at at the very least, or downright rework 5 updates ago

>>533152874
>Do the devs even play their own game?
Clearly not

So why did it take them this long to add the siege and trygon achievements? Really don't understand that these weren't there when the map and mode was added

>>533163275
Made Block obsolete, only contrarians will use it now
Fencing's damage is too low to bother with in higher difficulty

They will never make Block a little faster or give Fencing some damage back since it'll negate all of their updates

>>533168008
power fist and thunder hammer are still best as block
and i am finding block knife to be usable still
block chain sword and power sword are completely unusable tho

>>533169385
>power fist and thunder hammer are still best as block
not with the cleave changes they're not. 10+ cleave is broken on any form of AOE melee. you can decimate entire hordes with a single punch of a power fist, the block version can't do this. balanced was also buffed to the old break points of block.

>>533161910
Stop laughing, they're serious

chainsword = balance
knife = balance
fist = block, you're going to charge anyway and don't need speed
sword = fencing unironically
thunderhammer = block, same with fist
fencing players should move to balance
charged melee should always use block since you don't need speed and you don't need cleave
fencing power sword is still the best for bulwark but for assault fuck no, use balance chainsword
everything else is cope

>>533172496
muh shadow stab damage tho

Good to see the lictor quicktime bug is back

>no cleave
>no speed
>will get raped by a couple dozen Minoris shitters and a dozen Majoris all bearing down on them
Block BTFO

All heavy bolters should get accuracy 4 while the Accuracy based heavy bolter gets 6 instead.

>>533172749
There used to be a lictor quicktime bug? t. day one player

>>533173718
Giving the HB more accuracy is useless, if every GB gets 4 accuracy then the accuracy version is redundant even if it has 9-10 accuracy.

>>533172496
>charged melee should always use block since [...] you don't need cleave
What did he mean by that?

>>533174425
Then how would you change it?

Heroic sounds like a new weapon tier, GLbros we're back

>>533134829
>xenophase blade
>muh dick
Damn, these Russkies sure know how to tease their playerbase. I hope they go hard on some ancient xeno tech skins for all weapons. Deathwatch style.

>>533176713
I fucking hope so dude. s

>you now need 3-4 gunstrikes to put a Majoris on red with Fencing
LMAO

>>533176713
seems like it
why is it tier and not rarity tho

>>533180664
>tier not rarity
uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Is there any other reference to tier and not rarity?

>>533180846
I don't think so, maybe saber just forgor their own terminology (very likely)

>>533181106
Profound.

>>533134829
It also looks like we will be getting a new game mode - Stratagem Mode, with customizable 'conditions'.
Supposedly we will be getting another unlock tree with skins for these Heroic-tier weapons which we'll be able get using yet another currency called 'Accolades'.

marksman carbine and regular bolt rifle are amazing now. the ammo marksman variant is a lot, but i think the damage is better

>>533181756
>mutators
Cool. Hope we get to pick and choose them and theyre not random.

>>533182080
you WILL take that +500% majoris HP increase for a whole week and you WILL like it

>>533181897
Damage is almost always better imo. The stalker bolt rifle with 2.3 headshot modifier is straight up busted.

>>533098563
I love it, white goes great with yellow. Considering switching my company to green or black, but for now I'm staying with the 1st for more white.

I do use red eyes tho, goes better with the white.

>>533118696
I appreciate the bolt rifle buff, but now the auto bolt has the lowest ammo cap out of the ammo bolter variants.

i dont know what to play now that they ruined block chainsword. seems like the brainless ground pound a majoris every 30 seconds is the intended way to play. then your alternative is to play the dumb jetpack dodge and shoot build. melee combat is ass without the block buff, but now all the block weapons are unbearably slow

>fucking faggot who can barely play the game picks the geneseed
I'm fucking sick of those niggers

>>533184409
Use the balanced fist.

>>533182963
white does not look good with yellow, you dont want analogous colors

how the fuck do people get to p4 without realising you can clear wounds when you overheal on kits

Mods' meltdown in their discord chamber after hearing some critical opinions on the game is just gold.

>>533158864
the description in game says 30 second cooldown

>Block is DOA
KEK BASED

Blockniggers get the rope

Is it just me or did they go and tweak the bots to be even dumber this patch? I keep turning around and seeing them roll spamming in a corner somewhere when enemies are anywhere near them

>>533189785
Fencing got shot out back too bro, it does 0 damage now
balancedGODS run the game now, just as they always secretly have

>>533188884
Looks good to me, although I might change the trim color.

I wish Salamanders and Dark Angels used white helmets for their vets.

>>533190395
S T R A B A N is the real way the game was meant to be played

>>533191076
White and yellow are just not complementary colors, it will never look good
Pale yellow and white can look warm and inviting in a home, like a living room, but that is not something you want on a bio-engineered killing machine

>>533189314
you can't say that and not post it

>>533191603
Just said it looks good to me, so... never say never?

I particularly like how they look when you get covered in gore after an execution.

if one were to just read the community discussion around this game, you'd think it was a sword-fighting Souls-clone and not a third-person shooter. Reminder that the guy who sipmly shoots everything in the fucking face is going to do 3-4x more damage than the sperg who is obsessing over swing timers and his precious little combos.

>>533193543
This. Gun characters are the damage dealers, bulwark is there to stand in front of you to bait some of the horde and assault can clear hordes with a proper slam or ranged fist build.

>>533192461
that means you have bad taste and are objectively stupid when it comes to design

>>533193543
This is true, I don't really use melee with my vanguard and stick to the bolter carbine and do damage out the wazoo point blank. Shooting and melta bombs. Zipping around blowing shit up.

>>533193543
wish devs would finally add gunstrike damage into end screen so it retards like you finally shut up

>>533194827
If they were to add it, it'd go in the Ranged category or it'd get its own category, so that would not exactly do anything to make melee look better.

>>533194827
how many gun strikes does it take to kill a majoris?

>>533194827
>gets a gunstrike off a perfect dodge from 10 ft away
What now meleetard

Even with the extra exp, siege still seems crappy for leveling up a class

>>533193543
Apparently there is nothing left to talk about except fencing vs. block, with slight variations on the same posts. It creates the warped perception that the optimal way to play is somehow to duel everything to death one at a time. Ironically, they are obsessed with optimizing suboptimal behavior. They want to narrow down precisely the best way to melee, when melee itself is, generally speaking, supposed to be the backup playstyle (except for the two melee classes).

They are debating, essentially, what is the best type of knife to bring to a gunfight.

>>533194331
Sure, whatever you say.

>>533196123
my powerfist can hit from that range, still melee

>>533196346
>the backup playstyle
>(except for the two melee classes)
you are a goober. the infinite ammo perks are mandatory. you obviously are not intended to roll around from every enemy

>>533189314
>>533191932
It's gonna be really making long story short but here it is:
>smaller youtuber guy has an account on Saber discord
>he goes on to talk about how Saber takes their precious time to release content and how buggy the state of released patches is (i.e. Winged Fury working but not working)
>bunch of regulars go into the offensive"leave the multi-million company" mode
>they claiming "devs need time to polish said content" and suggest that he should make a game himself in order to express critical opinions
>some time after the youtuber mentions how SM1 had Chaos invasion and suggests the first one had more soul and content
>"but it was different GW then", "well I never played the first one but I love SM2 for the gameplay and graphics"
>some back and forth on why graphics =/= gameplay
>a mod starts to chew the guy claiming he's "negative motherfucker" for saying the above
>after piling on some more on the youtuber and with him returning some of the shitflinging people cry to the mods calling him rude
>mods ban the guy
>a 'heated' discussion ensues on how much dickriding the community there is doing and mods go on the defensive saying that people sometimes indeed "get overzealous" but it's their right
>meanwhile the youtuber streams the whole shitshow in the chat after getting the ban taking a piss at the state of this discord server

I mean he's a smaller channel but I can't say he doesn't make some good points about content being drip fed or how PTS are used to prolong the time between each release (9.0 not included in this I guess). I personally don't like the amount of sycophants out there but just this once it was worth it. And it was a sight to behold when discussion deteriorated to the point where mods were inches away from banning people left and right only for them to finally give up. No worries though I'm sure it's all back to normal!

>>533197294
lmao I think I know the youtuber you're talking about, also yeah that discord is a massive circlejerk

>>533197294
Eh, a lot of those twat-waffles are desperately seeking attention and monetization while not realizing just how niche this shit is. Way too many modders want to actually work in the gaming industry but are too insufferable to work with.

>>533197294
>mfw I saw this shit unfold live
Seeing this shit get set on fire was glorious.

I really wish the Dark Angels chestpiece included the cloth for everybody. I get that they want to maintain the class silhouettes and give each one an exclusive gear slot, but it's impossible to portray a Deathwing DA unless it's a Bulwark. And Caliban Green cloth is still the wrong color, several patches later.

I was out of the loop for a while. When did the Dude Wall get an upgrade? Did we hire somebody or something?

>>533196346
The only discussion left is balance and block now, fencing is out of the picture because of its low damage
Block is only good for power fist and thunder hammer cuz it can one-shot with charge attacks
Balance for everything else
Fencing is for if you just want baby-mode parries cuz you’re not good enough for balance I guess

>>533202440
block knife is still the best. block is still mandatory for assault since it works so well with ground pound.

>>533202440
Nah, Block is useless

Cope all you want, Balanced is where it's at now

>>533203626
>>533203778
block is still the only tool that lets you cut through enemies. with balanced will you get backed up into corners farming gunstrikes just like fencers did before the patch

>>533204013
You know you don't have to do gunstrikes, right? You can just keep swinging.

>>533204013
It has -2 speed from the fencing version and -2 damage from the block version and can cleave through multiple enemies

It basically is the block version without the gay explosions

>new balanced fist dash attack now pastes minoris instead of knocking them down for a gunstrike
I mean, it's fucking demolishing these gaunts but i feel that one is going to suck in some situations

>fenceshitters trying to pretend they were on the side of balancedGODS all along
We don’t want you, we don’t need you
If you didn’t use balanced before the patch you’re not allowed to use it now, fuck off back to your easy mode parry

>>533206147
Go away you shitposting schizo.

>>533204953
you'll die if you dont play defensively and you can only gunstrike enemies that attack you. with block you can take your stacks and direct the damage anywhere. the playstyle is way different

>>533205080
i dont mean cleave. im talking about when you are surrounded by 6 bonesword warriors

>>533206460
>you'll die if you dont play defensively
Or you use your gun AND melee weapon together instead of getting hung up on only using one at a time. You have an entire suite of weaponry at your disposal, use it.

>Every single block webm posted here involves someone trying to bait attacks
>But other weapons are defensive

>>533195523
Depends on which side arm and what type.

>>533202440
Block chainsword and power sword still fucks though. The speed being atrocious is completely offset by the ridiculous breakpoint changes.

>>533206967
>every single fencing webm-
Oh right, no one posts fencing clips here because they’re too embarrassed lol

>>533180664
>>533181756
I wonder how many more years its going to take for them to add this

>muh damage
>muh breakpoints
Keep coping Blockshitters

>>533207413
Genuinely what does fencing have if not damage or breakpoints
Ease of use?

Definitely going to have to play around with the perks of balanced weapons to for minoris stomping but shit is fun right now, genuinely feels like i can wade into a horde and start dicing/pulping them instead of having to constantly make space in order to not eat shit and die

>>533206634
they are immune to ranged damage you goof

>>533204013
>12 Cleave
>Damage buffed to pre-9 Block tier
>Faster speed than Block usually by 6-8 points
>Somehow can't fuck clusters of enemies
>Somehow isn't THE KING of fucking clusters of enemies now

>>533209932
>>Somehow isn't THE KING of fucking clusters of enemies now
Depends on the weapon
Shit like fist is mega strong at creaming hordes of gaunts, ironically something like the chainsword feels somewhat worse though it might be build reliant.

Fisting.

>>533201207
Og dude wall resigned. A polack stepped in and does it for free.

>>533209932
how does all that damage and cleave help vs enemies that are immune to damage and are in your face and you are in danger of getting a stream of red attacks? you are totally missing my point and have probably never used a block weapon because you do not know what its like to have infinite STAGGER on your melee weapon for 2 seconds and what you can do with that.

being forced to play balanced after the patch, its really not that bad. i guess im just good at the game. the bolt weapons i use are better now, except sniper that is the same. i found one new break point with the damage sniper, with the 20% damage when you stand still AND the 10% head shot damage team perk then when you clock you will pop the head of ranged majoris instead of just putting them in execute

>another fucking lobby where the dude started a queue then goes afk or is playing dress up sim
STOP WASTING MY TIME YOU FAGGOTS

>>533215192
I want to make fun of you but that shit is infuriating.

i cant wait to try out the winged fury perk next patch. the armor on gunstrike is good but im so good at the game i dont use it much

since when do raveners leave acid trails?

>>533215902
Gunstrike Assault is obsolete along with jetpack dodge shittery

It's all ground pound spam now and Winged Fury dash attacks

The IQ of these players do not seem to be going up.

>>533216049
i definately wouldnt use it on chainsword. a double damage attack that deals 0.5x damage is shit

>>533216610
But they equalized ground pound damage across all melee weapons anon

Also, you're a shit if you take the -50% slower contested health perk over 7 kills for a free Melta bomb

On bulwark should i give up the 15% ranged resist and extra light slash for the bonus majoris and minoris damage? It feels like that's the correct play but i like the extra light slash

>>533218026
Balance PS is shit for Bulwark, Fencing is still best.

>>533218152
i reject that, there will be some build where each gigantic swing can one shot a minoris and then i can switch shock fields out for armor on non execute gunstrikes (not that i even get a gunstrike on a majoris that isn't an execute with intimidating aura)

Lukewarm take: It is fine for there to be super slow Block weapons as long as there are more variants of every weapon with medium-speed Block weapons too. If they want to be spreadsheet developers then diversifying this way allows for a chance they will hit upon something gold by accident and then the playerbase will find it.

Hot take: Block weapons as-is should be allowed to counter all unblockables, meaning all melee orange indicators will now turn blue. Obviously ranged attacks remain the same.

>>533216889
assault is a walking melta bomb
he doesnt need more damage he needs a way to not die

>>533216816
im talking about the sprint attack damage.

>>533216889
you are shit if you are melta bomb cheesing

>>533218848
Block weapons being so slow means that rev-cancel block chainsword is basically mandatory now, it was barely faster than light-light-shoulder bash before but now it’s noticeable faster to do rev cancel-shoulder bash

>veteran white helmets don't go well with certain colors!
>the important guys stand out too much!

What’s the best shade of red for Blood Angels now? I’m torn between Blood Angels Red, Angron Red, Wazdakka Red.

>>533220883
I go with Angron Red, Mephiston is too shiny for me. They are the same color but Angron has the flat matte material finish.

>>533220730
It’s funny how we a civilization figured out around 100 years ago that putting bright distinctive colors or shapes on your command units is a bad idea
modern day officers even trade their shiny officer pins for matte black ones when in a combat theater

>>533210628
Fisting. Block is still king.

>>533220730
Anon its nothing about standing out too much its about looking gauche and tacky
Even the posh medieval coat of arms and clothing still generally had the good sense to stick to color theory when they could

>>533222610
Damn bro you did almost as much damage as I do with a fencing power sword.

instigator is awesome
marksman carbine is awesome
and bolt sniper is awesome

>>533223125
>marksman carbine is awesome
no

>>533223480
>Using a shitty chatbot to argue color theory in regards to 8 foot tall walking weapons platforms who only care about immediate readability in combat

>>533224009
on sniper it is. idk if you are trying to use it on some other gay class

>>533224392
So what’s your source then that white and yellow actually look good together besides “uh it looks fine to me”

>>533222281
Sensible tacticool aesthetics are the exact opposite of 40k's art design. They are not soldiers, they are knights. Most Astartes would outright reject the idea of trying to conceal themselves or employing camouflage. The colors and heraldry all have some kind of in-universe quasi-religious significance, and are part of placating the suit's machine spirit.

The Raptors are the chapter for people who like realistic soldier aesthetics on a space marine. They don't wear ornate decorations, they use camo, have a lot of pouches and shit all over their gear, etc.

>>533224917
That argument I’m fine with
I’m totally okay with the “yeah they know painting a bright color on a command unit is a bad idea but they do it anyway cuz it looks cool”
I’m just saying that picking WHITE and YELLOW is a particular bad color combination and that Fists should use a different color

>>533224657
It's not about looking good you metrosexual retard, it's about readability.
White helm for a codex chapter tells everyone in all 360 degrees that the guy they're looking at knows his shit.

>>533225151
I don't like the Fists color scheme either but it's one of those things that's far too late to change now. I'm fine with bold yellow armor, somebody has to have it it's a primary color, but GW should have made black their secondary color. Not ketchup red, but the 90s were a wild time.

>>533225245
So I’m gonna completely level with you
Unlike you, I was actually in the infantry for 5 years, and never once in my fucking entire career, in any field op or training exercise or anything, did I need to look around at people’s helmets to try and find out where the fuck my squad leader or LT was at
You have a radio, you’re usually in some sort of set defense or formation where you should know how everyone is positioned, and if all else fails you can just go “hey where the fuck is the LT” to the nearest dickbag
Modern battlefield units haven’t used or needed visually identifiable command gear for 100 fucking years because 1: it’s a bad idea because when the enemy figures out “white helmet means officer” they tend to target that guy first, and 2: only civilians think that shit is necessary or beneficial, which is what you are
It’s in 40K solely because it looks cool and it gives you a cool way to paint your dudes

>>533222281
You don't deserve to command if you aren't the best of the best, that includes your survivability skills, NPC outta the way, the MC is here.

>>533224917
>they are knights
And knights still knew how to look stylish when they weren't openly flaunting their wealth
Also i disagree, they're every professional soldier from the phalanx spearman all the way to the modern green beret. The crusading knight takes the lead but they're all important. Besides, the helmet differences showing rank and specialties is fine but even if they were medieval knight chapterhouses each one would have a different standard, what is white helmets for the blue ultramarines could easily be sky blue, violet, or green helmets for the yellow fists.

>>533226558
>gets lascannon’d in the head by a mekboy from across the battlefield
Betta’ luck next time ‘umie

>>533226804
The Codex Astartes stipulates white helmets for veterans, that's why. Pre-Heresy, everybody did whatever they wanted for heraldry and everybody's markings meant something different, there was very little uniformity between the legions. Imperial Fists used mostly black. After the Codex Astartes, the meaning of these colors became standardized. So even though red and white helmets don't look particularly cool with yellow armor, that's what the Fists use, since they are a very strict Codex-compliant chapter. In fact, they are probably the most strict about it, other than the Ultramarines. The Ultramarines do look good with red and white helmets, since they wrote the Codex, and fuck everybody else.

>>533226085
*paints my helmet white*

The Fists willingly look like dork dumbasses to prove how much they respect following the rules. Which is a very Fists way of doing business.

>>533226085
40k rides the 19th century idea of every army needs to be visually distinct to keep track of what's going on, they still have banner carriers, and most Imperial forces rock parade colors 24/7.

>>533227628
>Codex Astartes
Oh well if fucking gorillaman says its how you should do it then everyone should
never mind that rowboat guillermo has blue marines that makes white aesthetic
dumb nerds trying to gatekeep other chapters from being stylish with their stupid rules

>>533228898
I agree, but that guy was saying that it’s still an important concept on a modern battlefield, and it’s not

>>533227628
>So even though red and white helmets don't look particularly cool with yellow armor
Dude red is literally a contrast color of yellow. Hot rod red and yellow is a classic color combination.

>>533229313
It's true that robo girlyman is doing fashion crimes against the other chapters with his bitchy passive-aggressive rules about dress up. He knows exactly what he's doing by forcing some chapters to look like idiots. But the Fists ultimately agree to be as compliant as they are, other chapters told Girlyman to fuck off and continued to play dress up however they wanted. I think GW should have made the Fists also do that, but instead they wrote the Fists as absolutely loving the Codex Astartes and slavishly following it.

>>533229745
Which is why I still just dress my Fists like this

>>533215902
It works on the thunderhammer atm

>>533230390
Why don't we have this armour again?

>>533231073
games workshop doesnt sell this mini

>>533230390
Nothing wrong with that, it's a kino color scheme. I like the Champion tactical skin because they had enough sense to make its secondary accent color black.

>>533231073
Because SM2 is a vehicle for selling Primaris minis, first and foremost. If you were to ask a GW exec the game's purpose, that's the answer they'd give you. The fanbase has had to hound Saber to get old Astartes gear, we're lucky we got the Mk. 8 helmet.

>>533231338
>>533231378
I just want the Istvan 5 armour

>>533231378
The suits should probably realize angry face grilles just sell better.

>>533231073
Because it was used ten thousand years ago and most of it was blown the fuck up during the Heresy.

>>533231493
>The suits should probably realize angry face grilles just sell better.
I'm quite partial to beakies and the scowling mk 7's. Very distinct.

>>533231493
I don't know what GW's doing and I don't think they do either
is their employees owning slaves a frequently encountered problem for them?

>>533232995
They have shops in Asia. It's still really prominent out that way.

>>533227083
Warboss/nob would kill that mek for depriving him of a possibly good fight.
If you just assume every decision in the context of 90% of combat being orks or ramshackle rebellions every astartes decision makes sense.

>>533233298
>trust us, nobody hates slavery more than us
>we're sure you all know how strong our moral compass and passion for our games are

>>533234391
I'm not saying they don't do wage slavery but they don't want people actually owning others on paper. It makes them look bad.

>>533234456
Nta but
>my slavery is better than yours because I have no documents to prove they're slaves
Kind of based

>>533234514
>rest assured, we will never be held legally accountable for owning slaves
>because legally they are not slaves
>and if you wish to contradict that truth or are a fan trying to make a work related to our IPs you can expect a robust legal response

>>533220883
Angron Red is the closest IMO to all of the best models I've seen in my life. A rich, classy looking red that's not overwhelming and not cheaply glossy.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, Assault is good now. 50% slower cHP degen on himself, and his 25% ranged damage reduction now working on dodges, finally sent him over the edge of not feeling like fucking paper.

>>533237931
Yes but the first one of those is competing with infinite melta bombs which is hard to give up and the other gives up on one shotting majoris from range which I do really like. It would just be better to go bulwark again who now has access to one shots unconditionally with power fist.

the best class perks should be frontloaded
but obviously that would require saber know which perks are the best and why

>>533237931
>>533238107
How slow does Assault's contested health go down now when he has a Bulwark with him?

>>533228898
banner carriers are for morale, they carry those out of honor; and honor makes you do a lot of "dumb" things, like putting nails in your skull, or drinking blood, or putting your fist in a taser
>>533231338
what the fuck are you going on about, retard? theyre literally legally required to produce and sell anything they print else theyll lose their copyright or trademark
>>533231073
because its kinda shitty, its only really good if your combat doctrine is to eat shit from the front

>>533242161
We need this for PvP

Fists and Warriors going at it
Wolves and Snus going at it
Smurfs and Bearers going at it

>>533232995
Well they are from the UK so it's reasonable to assume an immigrant might occupy their home so they get in front of the issue beforehand.
I'm more baffled by their change of logo. Another soulles design.

>>533243775
Advertising students go into stupid amounts of debt just to be taught how to follow current trends and turn left into right

>>533243775
>>533243904
>a million dollars for a pepsi logo.pdf

>>533244080
>tfw can't upload the pdf anymore

just let me stim these fucking goons running around on a mortal wound ignoring health kits holy shit

>>533244468
Heavy bolt rifle so forgotten people forgot to complain about it.

>>533244468
>>533244579
I'm levelling bulwark right now so i'm trying out all the melee changes and maybe humoring the regular bolt pistol
what's wrong with them?

the block chainsword is genuinely slow enough that I'd call it unusable at high difficulty
the block knife is actually pretty good

>>533244675
auto bolters base stats are kind of mid which isn't a problem really but it only has a few variants so it doesn't power up like the rest due to lack of perks which makes it arguably the worst automatic weapon in the game overall at gold.

occulus was "ok" before but they just gave it's main competition pretty big buffs (mainly ammo capacity) that it can't compete with

>>533246238
i forgot to add my main problem is they didn't buff them at all really while many meta options got buffed this patch, making them even worse comparatively.

>>533246238
Yeah it’s weird cuz Auto Bolt was pretty much the worst gun in the game and then they buffed every other gun but it
Which just tells you that most people don’t even read and use whatever looks cool and that’s why auto bolter usage still looks good on their automated stats

>>533247802
It really depends on how they are interpreting their stats. They could be interpreting it in a stupid way. What if they are looking at the percentage of successful missions of ABR (and HBR) users, except all those guys still using them are just the bored high skill players looking for a challenge? What if they forget to look at the total numbers, to do the dumb thing and not consider the usage rate of that weapon versus the rest?

>>533248189
I think the auto bolt rifle is the default weapon for tactical, which is the default class
Soooooo

>>533248426
I am giving them the basic courtesy of assuming they are taking into account more than just Difficulty 1.

>>533248801
They do name absolute as the cited source of data, so that is probably correct
That does also mean that they're definitely looking at what the high level players are doing and I mean
I'm one of the people that plays absolute and I am one of the people that uses the ABR there just because it's more engaging
They're going to have a stat bias unless they also take into account actual performance of the players using each weapon, otherwise clearly heavy without its primary is a perfectly balanced class

https://youtu.be/fz1lfhsr5jw?feature=shared

What do you think? Is it as bad as you think? Are people overreacting, or are they right?

>disconnected after an hour of hard siege
>no reconnect to last lobby function
>fucking saber
>maybe I can direct connect through their steam profiles
>private profiles
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU HIDING FROM YOU STUPID CUNTS
I FUCKING HATE THIS GAME
I HATE THESE PEOPLE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

so obvious to me that an easy fix would be to raise the base ammo as rarity goes up for all weapons. The choice gets more limited as you progress in rarity since the buffs just stack. by the time you hit gold the ammo option is usually the only one worth considering since it's so much more.

Are there any important breakpoints block fist hits on assault now? Can balanced be made to one shot warriors on bulwark without anything but overcharge?

Man, Gee Dubs did a real number with Terminus Decree. It is such a bullshit.

>>533254505
I thought it was implied in The End and the Death that it was Pho's anti-space marine biological weapon?

>>533256110
Yeah, that's what I thought too. The updated Grey Knights' Codex tells a slightly different tale, though. The way I see it, it should've been left ambiguous or implied to be that ultimate weapon to destroy Astartes/Primarchs.
Somebody was high if they thought pic related was the right idea.

>>533256746
>Grey Knights thinking they can take on Custodes when their track record against non daemon threats is abysmal at best

>>533257375
what if its a psyop to get rid of the grey knights

>>533256746
>if the emperor does literally anything other than sit on his chair the grey knights are supposed to beat him up and put him back on the chair
>this is the true reason they were made in the first place
>the thousand grey knights are expected to go through all the custodes in the imperial palace if it happens
>instructions are "just do it lol"

>>533257962
also
>the emperor told them to do this

>>533256746
I'm almost expecting an asspull from GW to make this stick:
>"It was Big E's 10D chess akshually"
>"GKs are operating at 10% of their power"
Begs the question who the fuck issued the Terminus Decree to begin with? Malcador? Emps in a drunken stupor? Tzeentch slipped it in? I'm fine with Grey Knights, but if the Emperor is the one behind this "brilliant" idea then he really was retarded and implies Malcador was the brains of the entire operation. jfc... what a shitshow.

>>533251061
Chainsword: full throttle cancel can 1 cycle warriors and rubrics, when you're running knowledge or attrition. Pretty sure you'd need overcharge though.
Hammer: with or without knowledge you will be able to 1 shot warriors and rubricae with 2 stacks of AS, and 1 charge of aftershock, when they're parried. With knowledge and overcharge the first hit will kill em.
Powersword: it's really tricky with this one since the instant block on enemies is cucking its true combo, but you can sprint attack, and double heavy to finish them off.

As for balanced on bulwark a fully charged one might be able to do the trick, but you won't be able to utilize the parry bonus for that 50% damage

>>533258350
>who the fuck issued the Terminus Decree to begin with
Says it "details the emperor's final command", so it must have been the emperor.

>>533221405
>>533236964
Angron it is then. Thank you, brothers.

>>533258350
>"GKs are operating at 10% of their power"
You might be onto something since their geneseed comes from the Emperor himself.

>>533258642
I'm gonna nitpick this and say this could've been written down as "the Emperor's final command". A seal from the golden throne was slapped on it and woosh we have a legit final order from the Man. It didn't have to be Him. So many things went down in the final days that's it's up for grabs.
Now, I don't claim this is how it happened but there's been enough contradicting and muddy plot points in 40k up until this point that this excerpt might as well be treated as a footnote. Someone will change it in the next edition or the one after.

>>532891430 (OP)
40k anons, if a marine can eat flesh and gain all the memories from it, has one ever tried eating tyranid flesh to see what the hive mind was up to?

>>533262628
pretty much all the weird shit space marines can do besides being big scary gorilla men the writers forget about and maybe mention once every ten years in a single sentence in a black library novel

>Load launch screen
>Select mission
>Mission found....joining lobby
>Join lobby
>Host immediately leaves
>Game loads the exact same room I was in

WHY DOES THIS PIECE OF SHIT GAME DO THIS? WHY DOES IT LOAD THE SAME FUCKING ROOM AGAIN?!?!


AHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM GOING INSANE

I HATE NIGGERS

>>533262628
they would only get information from the flesh, not the psychic field
>>533262967
theres literally a legion of space marines who go schizo because of that organ

>>533258772
>They're made from Big E's flesh and blood
>The last time they fought tyranids, which was by accident because they thought they could pull a sneaky quick one, they got mauled worse than a baby locked in a closet with a pitbull
>They only survived because they got bailed out by the daemon they were there to kill
Honestly that's entirely on brand. They inherited his retardation and ego.

>>533256746
>>533257962
The banana bois know about the Terminus Decree as well and will allow the GKs to just do it.

Community update for July, Brothers:

https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/248-july-community-update).

>>533275937
Pyre cannon confirmed. Too bad it's a heavy weapon. Chaos spawn looks very impressive. If what we have in the game now is any indication, it will make chaos more enjoyable (or more hellish).

They heard about block weapons being too slow. I sure hope they don't nerf the damage though. I'm just starting to like the new break points.

>>533275937
>Black Templar Champion will be the first Champion of the Year 2 Season Pass (coming with Patch 10.0). It will be associated with the Bulwark class.
Nice.
>There will be brand new Chapters, as well as returning Chapters
As expected, but probably they'll focus on Successors.

Brother Retardus Maximus here. How do I do picrel?

>>533276583
its the forward dash with the jump pack, where you just tap it instead of hold

>Feel like playing siege mode on hard
>Make game/join game, doesnt matter
>Doing good
>Get to wave 10
>Everyone leaves

I AM SO FUCKING NIGGER TIRED OF PEOPLE LEAVING AFTER 5-10 WAVES

>>533275937
>NEW GAME MODE AND MODIFIERS
>Finally, a new variation will be added to PvE to bring replayability to the game. Some of you might remember when the 4.0 update brought a modifier that forced team members to stay close to each other to get their shield back. Following your feedback, we decided to remove this feature to rework it and bring it back later, integrated in a new game mode, along with new gameplay modifiers each week.
>This new game mode will come with Patch 10.0 (the specific modifier mentioned above will be implemented later, though).
>New free cosmetics and exotic weapons will also be granted for the completion of this new challenge.
About time they added a mode with modifiers, hopefully it will make the operations more interesting to go through. And the Heroic tier that was leaked yesterday is going to be accessible only through this mode, it looks like. I wish they worked faster on these things.

>>533277225
People are apparently still experiencing disconnects as early as wave 8
I can't blame people for wanting to cash out their rewards while they still can instead of risking getting nothing by continuing to play

>>533277419
It's been like this since this mode has been introduced

>>533277603
Yeah, I think they mentioned fixes for it but apparently those didn't work
But basically, it's both a heavy time investment to go much further than wave 10 and a big risk of losing all of it, so it's more the fault of the devs for not fixing the crashes and not making joining existing lobbies a thing

>>533277225
Everyone got their studded helmet via early coordination and not with randoms.

If you're just doing it for the sake of doing it you're fucked.

>>533278081
pointless fucking mode then, they shouldnt have let you choose to quit, if your faggot ass doesnt wanna do more than 10 waves just play operations

>>533279186
Hard siege mode is 1.5 hours for wave 15 and 2~ hours for wave 25 assuming you get there.

Just spam wave 15 run and if someone says no then just bail, people are mostly farming colours these days.

>>533279186
>Some of you might remember when the 4.0 update brought a modifier that forced team members to stay close to each other to get their shield back. Following your feedback, we decided to remove this feature to rework it and bring it back later, integrated in a new game mode, along with new gameplay modifiers each week.
DoA gamemode lol

>>533279186
Too much time that needs to invested into playing hard siege. And the mode itself isn't really designed to have any breathing room to compensate for how long we need to play.
Besides, I got my crappy studded helmet and now I just play around in normal whenever I feel like it. Much better to grind for weapon colors this way. Btw, did we get any leaks on new ones?

>>533275937
>This new game mode will come with Patch 10.0 (the specific modifier mentioned above will be implemented later, though). New free cosmetics and exotic weapons will also be granted for the completion of this new challenge. Stay tuned, we’ll reveal more on that later.
I am shocked the heroic weapons are coming next patch.

>New Majoris enemy
>Chaos Spawn
Also finally a proper melee majoris chaos enemy to fight.
Damn though those guys are bosses in DT. So Astartes really are a big step up in power level compared to rejects. I bet Tyranid warriors would be classed as a boss enemy for rejects too.

>second season pass is a separate purchase
Fuckers.

>>533283767
>UGH HARD MODE SIEGE IS TOO LONG, ITS NOT BALANCED
>STILL PLAYS IT BUT DITCHES AT WAVE 10
then fuck off retard, dont play it

>>533284676
Don't take the power scaling too seriously. DT rejects can 1v1 demon hosts.

>>533284676
Chaos spawns come in many sizes in the lore.

>>533275937
>Returning chapters in season 2 pass
BLOOD RAVENS

>>533256746
Oh wow that's obscenely gay. I remember reading it in the grey knights codex when they finally got plastic models, and it was laid out like a kill switch but obviously a bit nebulous, but holy fuck that sucks. Modern gw truly is soulless, perpetual slop

>>533277259
Weekly challenges? They better give more than crummy requisition points or currency in general. Cosmetics are the name of the game Saber.

I feel retarded as fuck but i keep getting cucked with balanced weapons because i fumble my perfect parries. Like when there's multiple fuckers on you, i just can't do it fast enough, or something is already on me so it cucks me.
Am i missing something or i'm just bad ?

Block knife feels okay, big damage on invis shadow stabs which is important for snipers boss damage. Chainsword also feels okay but is unusable now if you do anything but rev tech into shoulder bash, big burst damage but you no longer shit mix trash for free like you could with the purple block one. Fist got a straight buff for some reason, haven’t used power sword or hammer yet but power sword always felt better on fencing to me because it had pretty conmpetive stats and the tow classes that can use it got something out of fencing.

Poor IH players, still not mention of a cosmetics pack for them

>>533223125
Wait, lingering concealment no longer drains your metre for the duration?

>>533297413
Correct. That was a bug.

>>533297413
As >>533297635 said, that was a bug in 7.0 that was fixed in 8.0. Remember, if something nerfs your playstyle but isn't mentioned in the patch notes, chances are its a bug. The entire behaviour of the power sword was apparently fucking built on bugs.

>>533297635
>>533297925
Well shit, I swapped off of it for the knock back resist after the nerf/bug since I hated not having control over how much invis I have available. I’ll be swapping back to it tonight then. I will say, i’ve gotten even better at sniper by not using it but man i’ve missed it. Does it still kick you out of invis while charging your shadow stab the way it used to? As in you can only get a level on shadow stab off and not a level 2? I have been enjoying the potential of just ruining a boss with a good back stab

>>533275516
The wording implies the custodes would try to stop them so is it wrong or lying?

>>533298475
It's just modern GW or black slop writer retardness, they probably didn't even remember that it existed before and just wrote up a bunch of shit like the failed writers they are.
Ignore it like all the post 2010 lore.

>>533256746
I see the Gay Knights are living up to their namesake.

>>533256746
yeah, that's not what the terminus decree is
>gw said it
so?

>>533256746
This is just author mental block derp

The TD is a deus ex machina super virus created by a mad scientist as old as the Emprah

It'll fuck over Spess Mehreens both loyalist and traitor alike along with Custodes, Grey Knights and Primarchs

>dc on wave 9 ending
nice, very nice! :)

>>533256746
What the actual fuck? Are they retarded? Fucking hell, nuke gw from the orbit right now. I hope to God this a very convincing fake.

Hello friends, fisting.

MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE

>>533256746
>mrw I see such crap
It's another author going on a fantasy spree, eh? I thought James Workshop is mostly keeping them on a leash, especially the ones writing codices.

>>533275937
>No mention of customization rework
They are taking their sweet time with this. One would think that in a game that relies heavily on creating a *unique* looking avatar such feature would be pushed into the pipeline asap.

>>533316407
Saber can't even fix something as simple as tactical's prestige shoulder pads with that abysmal skull. It's a moment of work for a skilled modeller, then again it's probably the same guy who put those skulls there in the first place, hehe.

>>533316407
There are so many things that need to be fixed asap for this game that no matter which they do first it's going to feel like they're leaving something behind
And with the apparent mess that apparently is the armour system I'm not surprised they're starting by trying to do the weapon balancing first

>>533317869
I concur. But at the same time I get the impression they don't know which way to go with these changes. Weapon balance? Sure that was needed, but it's nothing that cannot be done with a patch between major ones, I mean as sort of 'hotfix'.
On the other there's argument to be made that a lot of performance issues come from badly designed "paper doll" system that handles all so that should also be prioritized.
Like you said there's a lot to fix and perhaps their own management skills are to blame, but this is just my observation. Nothing more

>HELBRUTE ONSLAUGHT
>PvP mode
>Both teams are Chaos
>PvP's cosmetic progression is exclusively for loyalist chapters

Oh boy really looking forward to the matches comprised entirely of the same six non-customizable models.

So, it seems that Vortex Beast will be a Terminus enemy and it'll be a part of objective for the 'Relay' operation.

>>533326162
about fucking time chaos got a real terminus boss

>>533284676
Chaos spawn technically come in all shapes and sizes but yeah, some kind of regular daemon would be better

>Black Templar champion skin
Will instantly become associated with the worst players and is going to be the official community signifier for a fucking retard. "Just had to leave a game with a BT champion..." is going to be a common post.

>>533295804
There is a start up and yes you can be frame trapped if you fumble your first. That is one of the reasons why many don't like balanced.

>>533296161
I wouldn't call the fist a straight buff. Lost a lot of cleave, despite the damage buff. It used to have a fat cleave such that you can make proper use of ground shake.

It only took a year but assault is finally good. Easily A tier now.

>>533275937
Spawns are the worst boss enemies in Darktide, hopefully they're not as annoying here.

>>533338542
Build?

>>533339757
You can maybe swap adrenaline boost with practiced aim.

>>533338542
It's not A tier with those stupid team perks. Also I still see no point of using smiting angel. Deligence and pride and duty are still redundant. And the signatures are still doodoo.

>>533338867
https://youtu.be/JlODnLtOXww?feature=shared
This was a while ago but they seemed fun.

regular bolt pistol worth bringing over heavy ever and if so what build?

>>533341673
No. Regular bolt pistol has no reason to exist.

>>533338867
theyre literally the easiest boss to deal with, the worse it can do is throw you in a bad direction, otherwise you can block and dodge everything

>>533341673
It’s niche is having lots of ammo to head shot trash with and it was never a very good niche, with the ammo buff to the inferno pistol it doesn’t even really have that niche anymore. They should rework it to be a mini carbine to heavy bolt pistols mini stalker.

>>533341932
Pogryn is the easiest since you can rat ogre dance it to death. Spawns will always be on you so it can make a bad situation worse, burgle is either the easiest if you have room or the worst if you’re stuck in tight with it.

>>533342316
no because you can block everything from the spawn, ogryn is one of the more lethal ones just because it has knockbacks which can throw you off ledges

>>533326162
Better be a regular boss too, chaos need another one.

for like 10+ years chaos spawn in every warhammer game have been the same model in different sizes, they never do something cool with them

>>533342540
It’s got one knock back on the charge that it only does if you’re 20 meters away and it’s not in combat, I find them the easiest to beat to death in clutch situations. Can honestly just ignore them if need be. Chaos spawns got a big fat ass and a fast overhead, if you’re speeding around clutching for the team and two spawns spawn in the situation gets pretty fucked. Would rather fight to pogryns than one spawn. None of the bosses are actually dangerous it’s just the space they take away from you leading to other enemies getting a chance to fuck you over, since you can’t outrun a spawn they’re instantly the worst to deal with in most situations. They’ve also got an annoying little head, fucking hate getting ready to blast it off the face of the earth with a bolter in an h40 and it shakes it’s stupid little head as you go full auto.

>>533343004
ogryn has two, its charge and stomp, you can block the charge, you cant block the stomp

>>533341673
yes, it deals the same damage as heavy bolt pistol and can be fired accurately from the hp and has tons of ammo and is way more efficient at headshotting minoris. heavy bolt pistol is pretty pointless. the only sidegrade pistol i would consider is the plasma since ranged stagger is so strong.

>>533330664
Well, anytime i see a fag rocking BT colors (50% of players?) i just prepare myself to carry the biggest shitter i've ever met.

>>533338867
It isn't the same kind of spawn and it's classified as a Majoris only. It will just be a melee-centric enemy to reduce the amount of Rubrics on the field. Perhaps the biggest difference it could have versus Warriors is being balanced as having more HP and greater threat individually in exchange for fewer of them on the field. That will definitely fill a missing link in the Chaos roster since the next melee enemy up is a sword Terminator.

Modifiers hopes and dreams:
All melee enemies.
All ranged enemies.
>helbrutes with dual guns or dual melee

Minoris mayhem, more and stronger minoris appear.
>tyranid minors are no longer affected by majoris death, more aggressive melee tokens even while majoris are attacking
>chaos minors dumps traitor guardsmen everywhere and some of them have heavy weapons like missile launchers and plasma guns

Rush hour timer, must move to next area within time limit or fail.

Mass deployment, NPC marines appear in each area but enemies are 2x strength or 2x numbers (they should just fix their stupid memory problem with not garbage collecting inside a single area).
>Can be combined with Rush Hour
>Instead of marines it's guardsmen instead, they can also have specialist weapons

Ammo scarcity, less ammo boxes on ground and in crates, more medkits and other equipment spawns.
Ammo abundance, less everything spawns except drowning you in ammo.

Biovores

>>533346328
ahem
tzeentchian twins

Instant kick for people who throw frag grenades at a carnifex.

I will not step foot into their stupid fucking stay-together game mode. It was a terrible idea last year, it's a terrible idea now. And guaranteed the cosmetic will be another generic piece of Primaris armor with studs on it or something just as boring and ugly.

>>533346695
i was throwing it at you

>>533343361
>same as hbp
Not at all. HBP has an innate 50% headshot bonus, whereas the BP is 15%. I don't have the new variation change by heart yet but the damage version should be a very good option. Also, gunstrike is 25% stronger now. From the Fandom wiki, the BP had only 27.3 on a standard variant for gunstrike, whereas the plasma and hbp are 36.4 and 39. The buff elevates the BP to 34.125, which is very much a much needed change. This in addition to the increased damage for the damage version might just being it's gunstrike damage to be practically the same as the others.

>>533346328
How about
>execution gives hp but no medkit
>execution gives lots of hp but no more iframe
>increased minoris spawn
>increased majoris spawn
>no random ammo drop outside of guaranteed boxes
>+100% ability recharge speed
>friendly fire
>doubled grenade capacity
>only ravener/lictor/zoanthrope etc for extremis spawn
>both chaos and tyranid can spawn
There's a ton they can do to make the game cancer and/or fun.

>>533348225
bolt pistol has 1.65% on execute. side arms dont do enough damage in general to warrant you standing there shooting with it. its faster to jog into melee combat with bulwark or assault or use your primary ranged weapon. thats where regular bolt pistol compliments you so you have mobility and can weave in damage during combat. the only situation heavy bolt pistol might be better is if you are forced to stand there and shoot a thrope, but you'd probably run out of ammo anyways. i dont think gunstrikes are a good source of damage so the buff doesnt really matter, sure it can be a decent chunk of ranged damage but you also stun yourself while you watch the animation so have to consider the damage you are losing while you are gunstriking

>>533348693
Hypnotic Training Scenario:
Missions play out the same but its themed as a training exercise and all enemies are Ultramarine NPCs with similar abilities to PvE players.

ridiculously common that console players will be prestige 4 and still not know what a mortal wound is

>>533348894
The patch mentioned increasing bolt pistol gunstrikes by +25%. What I want to know is where that puts it against the other pistols.

Assault is really incredible now. Also I feel like they stealth nerfed tactical this patch.

>>533349413
console players aren't sentient

>>533349490
I don't feel all that different. Chaos still sucks and I'm still one shotting majors. Best part of the patch to me is being able to level 2 charge into instant backfist to kill them faster now.

>>533351753
Yeah youre probably right. I might be retarded.

>>533349480 see >>533348225
The old values are found here. https://spacemarine2.fandom.com/wiki/Gun-Strike

>>533352419
That's a lot of dead guys for a chaos mission

I wish assault had the knife so that he had a good block weapon.

>>533346328
Something involving gargoyles and screamers

>>533353295
Pretty much every patch they change the spawn rates without knowing. Ive noticed chaos missions are more dense and the sporemine apocalypse is back.

>>533081267
>bulwark
>worst fashion
tastelet

the power fist is just a meltagun

>queue game - high ping
>try again - high ping
>try again - dude refusing to switch duplicate class
>try again - tabbed out so now the game is lagging
yea im done.

The invulnerability on the ground pound is possibly the biggest change Assault got. I can now demolish Lesser Sorcerers without worrying about their stupid fucking shields. It actually makes Assault one of the best classes to deal with them.

>>533358176
Show me your bulwark then, if its so great.

Assault's Column 2 - Row 2 perk was so shit I don't even remember what it was before the change to a pocket Bulwark, that's how much I never used it (0).

>>533275937
>utterly worthless chapter themed cosmetics again instead of actually different chapter agnostic armor marks
Garbage again. Customization system will remain useless

>>533361152
it annoys me to no end that i can't just put a lightning bolt on top of the iron pattern helm and have to choose between it or the story of my bulwark being on loan to the mantis warriors from the scars

>>533361152
I don't think Saber will release metrics on which Chapters are the most used/most popular.

>>533361152
They have a many chapters to choose from but it's less of problem which one they'll go with for the season pass, but rather how much they will focus on making actual gear pieces instead of just adding decals and colors. I agree on the customization though, it's in dire need of a rework.

>>533362128
How would they even know? Chapters that aren't already in-game would just be "custom slot #1" on any data they collect.

>>533363536
>How would they even know
Use AI to filter common colour schemes and extrapolate from the main chapter symbols used.

i.e a dark green with the DA logo will always be a Dork Angel, same thing with the many reds a BA or a BR would use

>>533363718
>Use AI to filter common colour schemes and extrapolate from the main chapter symbols used.
Are you retarded? How would they figure out how to put that bullshit in-game?

>>533363718
Why in the absolute ever living fuck would they spend dev time and resources on that

>>533289581
Popularity metrics are for sure going to determine which Chapters come back for S2. But there are only three that come to my mind as "fore sure" picks.

>Dark Angels (more because of the Champion skin)
>Deathwatch
>Scythes of the Emperor

All three are really common in pubs.

>Devs fuck around with additional stats like headshot modifiers
>Don't give the scoped HBR a headshot damage buff

>>533363718
wouldnt it be easier to scan the code for the items used in a set

>>533367147
Default set items would be easy enough to collect statistics on but MOST people will eventually start making custom sets, especially as a new player is leveling up and unlocking items piecemeal. If they use a different color because they think it looks more accurate there goes your accurate data collection.

>>533367886
yeah, but each item has a code so the game knows which item or color is being used to know what its suppose to display and i saying couldnt you collect those values

>>533368295
Someone's using a green primary color for his virtual toy soldier man. Is he playing as a Salamander or Alpha Legion?

>>533368409
well for one, they literally have a color for alpha legion
two, you just do piece meal data sets, like this logo is being used with these colors and so on, and then you get person to look at what people are doing, are they making clowns or putting thought behind their design

>>533368691
>and then you get person to look at millions of mydudes

>>533368409
>Is he playing as a Salamander or Alpha Legion?
Both have decals, do they not?

Official "actually plays the game" Siege tier list

>S
Bulwark, Heavy

>A
Tactical, Assault

>B
Vanguard

>C
Sniper

>>533363129
Where the fuck did you find this image? There's so much wrong with it.

>>533363718
saar you scan the color saar

>>533375923
I got it from here, when it was posted back in April. What's wrong with it? Space Wolves missing the remaining successors?
Not trying to stir anything, Brother. I'm honestly asking.

>>533380875
Not him, but that infograph has mixed up some successors - like Raptors coming from White Scars (kek). It's the little things. Though you're right about successors of Space awoogas.

>Announced future plans
>its fuck all spread over a fucking year
Helldivers has added like fifty new weapons in the same time frame with higher quality gameplay. If you can't do live service, dont do it this is embarrassing.

>>533380875
>Raptors listed as White Scars
>Absolvers not listed as Blood Angels
>Multiple chapters listed twice with at least one listing having incorrect colors and heraldry such as Angels Penitent and Avenging Sons
>A bunch of homebrews no one except the guy who made the image has ever heard of
That's just what I remember from seeing the image this morning. I'm taking a shit at work right now and the image is super blurry on my phone.

>Just moved the meta from one non-choice to a new non-choice
Holy fucking shit just delete fencing and block already.

>>533152874
>Do the devs even play their own game?
Of course fucking not. They 100% rely on their statistics to tell them what is true and not because they lack a single ounce of actual understanding on video games.

>>533372825
let me fix that for you
S: Bulwark, Heavy, Tact
don't even mention the rest its garbage.

>>533249372
This looks fucking awful

>>533372825
wowie someone with a brain

>>533372825
Define what you mean by "actually plays the game"
Because wouldn't assault be above bulwark on that list because assault really has to engage with the full melee system while bulwark mainly has to parry?

I'm starting to think adding option to choose any class for an operation/siege without restrictions will come very late into the SM2's lifecycle if at all. Though the only thing that might be a problem would be overlapping team perks and interactions between characters (which are so important to Saber). The former could be easily solved by having a mechanic in place that only 3 perks can be active at a time, so there wouldn't be any OP comps. The latter is a non-issue but I can see how devs would make a fuss about it.
>inb4 what if 3 bulwarks encounter zoanthrope or a neurothrope
That'd be on players to take the risk. But the idea of picking the same class is neat and when they introduce Techmarine I can only imagine the shitshow we'll have with everybody and their grandma picking the class.

>>533401684
Bulwark is the most unkillable class in the game to the point any failure on him is a pure skill issue. +30% base health + Conviction + Scrambled Targeting + Steel Within + Armor Reinforcement = Comical levels of damage reduction even against the final stretch of Hard waves.

Bulwark's banner revive is pretty much the only way to bring anybody back past Hard Wave 20, and Bulwark gets perpetual banners on Chaos waves thanks to farming Terminator hails of bullets thanks to the Masterful Defense prestige perk.

Intimidating Aura is still the best raw damage perk in the game to the point Bulwark can still comfortably use the Fencing Power Sword for the safe protection window and not notice the drop in cleave. This allows him to safely and repeatedly nuke crowds and dangerous enemies every 5 seconds without really needing to swing back.

Focused Restoration (Armor regen every 30 seconds) is broken in Siege due to the length of the mode. It mathematically works out to roughly 90+ free armor pips per individual, and armor is a must because it can save you from a lot of instant OHKO melee hits in the later waves thanks to how scaling melee damage can't punch through armor. A smack from a Carnifex regardless of which wave you're on, whether it's 5 or 25, is one armor pip.

Everything Bulwark does within Siege is retarded strong.

>>533372825
The Heavy doesn't play siege mode

They shoot for a bit, get ganked and then get rekt because Balance is a shit melee option

I rather throw babby punches with Fencing or attack slow with Block than deal with Balance's garbage timing

>>533401684
>>533406352
utterly fucking brainless

>>533406352
>Damage reduction akin to Bulwark-lite thanks to Restoration + Fortitude + Conviction
>Plus Encompassing Aegis for that sweet -25% damage taken from ranged attacks for the whole team
>Two of the best weapons in the game
>Iron Halo protection and AOE wave mog because of Offensive Capability
Skill issue if you struggle with Heavy

>>533372825
vantage point needs to be reworked from 2 seconds to just 1 second in order for sniper builds to be viable in siege mode
or just remove vantage point and buff the other cloak shoot perk from 75% to 100%
as for the new perk i don't know, give it a natural rate of fire perk that benefits all of its weapons

>RUX4J
Siege Hard Mode

>>533404029
Yeah but if we're talking big contributions it makes no sense to put vanguard in B tier considering his insane damage output and powerful self-sustaining abilities, not to mention his team perk. I guess he's riskier than bulwark, easier to make a mistake and lose on him, but he's an easy S tier on the power level tier list.
So the original poster must've meant something else by "actually plays the game"

>>533410902
Vanguard has little to no AOE
Vanguard has piss poor ammo economy
Vanguard's single target ranged damage is mogged by Heavy, Sniper and Tactical

The only thing Vanguard really provides is health on Extremis kills, or if your team is really good, 15% ability charge back on executes which is pretty damn good in Siege. In terms of actually dealing with the hordes, he's not very good. Which is why Assault jumped up a lot between the melee damage and damage reduction buffs.

Brothers. Fist.

>>533372825
Does this mean Saber knows how Assault works?

>>533401959
>choose any class for an operation/siege without restrictions
I get why this would kinda impede their 'class identity' thing for operations but why the hell it shouldn't be allowed for siege mode where it's the best place to go crazy like that.

>>533410202
>hard
>siege
Why

Even with the exp boost, siege seems crappy for leveling up

>>533249372
wow how nice of those warriors to just crowd around and attack one at a time

>>533413165
He does lack the ammo regen, true
But with zipline build he can spam out AoE damage and just stay invulnerable for most of a fight
I personally find that playstyle awfully boring, but the one time I did it in hard siege I got good numbers and I don't even know if the grapple 33% finisher and bonus AoE damage is included in that

>>533413165
Melta rifle is AOE

>>533249372
This too much of a controlled environment. And I'm sorry but block is not it.
It's either fencing or at worst balanced going forward.

>>533425929
Considering how they handled the dressup system, i wouldnt be surprised if they made each class a global variable, and the unused ones are marked with a is_disabled flag or something

Also, imagine banter between three strabans

>>533428898
.....
.....
.....
Fortify?
Defend?
Siege?
.....
.....
.....

>playing siege hard
>teammates are an assault and a vanguard with heal on extremis execute
>go down at some point but put two terminators in an execution state thanks to my shock grenade
>assault comes in and picks me up, nice
>he then swings his fist and finishes off those two terminators, wasting those heals
Why are they like this.

>>533429361
Yes.

>>533429592
Even when buffed, Assaults are useless.

>>533429683
I didn't say he was weak.

>give an illusion of choice by making 3 melee playstyles but only one is actually viable
>notice noone is playing the other two
>make one of the other choices viable
>notice noone is playing the third one
>introduce bugs to the second playstyle
>remake the system so that only one playstyle is viable again
Why is saber like this again?

>>533404029
bulwark is the girlfriend class

>>533434354
Not true, my gf plays sniper

balanced is fun, feels like a genuine challenge and is rewarding. block is a crutch in hind sight

>>533256746
It's coming.

>unlock heavy melta in pvp
>oh cool, a heavy shotgun
>it takes 2-3 shots to kill somebody
>doesn't even seem to stun
>also my game seems to skip a few frames every time I fire it so people are teleporting around?
What's the point of it then.

is overcharge a wasted perk now if you are using hammer or fist since they hit so hard you don't need them? seems like knowledge and strategic strike are still good since they help jump jet attacks

>>533438432
Honestly, I wouldn't put it past GW to make an asspull of that magnitude.
Why can't anyone with a bit of common sense just buy them out?

>>533439280
Overcharge is still needed for balance to one shot both faction majors. It also allows a new combo breakpoint where you can just charge it to the first flash then instant back fist to put majors in execute. Balance can do it against chaos but only block can do it against nids.

Although I find it's a weird spot because you still need it for balance and for block what are you gonna do, take armor on gunstrikes? On a weapon you can't parry with? So unless you want to become a dodge god I'd still take overcharge.

>>533428898
>Atmospheric conditions are sub-optimal this day
>Yes
>Agreed

>>533439378
It fascinates me to watch franchise after franchise hard pivot to exclusively cater to people who have never and will never engage with their product just because they're spooked by the waste of bandwidth that is social media noise.

>>533441771
They were chasing that sweet USAID, blackrock and EU money.

>>533439610
thanks, are you running overcharge + knowledge for all this or just OC?

>>533438432
The fans would revolt if they bring Big E back only for them to kill him again to be put back to the Throne.

>>533439006
>also my game seems to skip a few frames every time I fire it so people are teleporting around?
your internets and the servers are dogshit

Any ideas what will Saber in their infinite wisdom put in the next season pass?
My money's on more postponed content and a Tactical Raven Guard Champion, personally

>>533443025
I didn't remember to test without knowledge. I think you lose the usual one shot breakpoint on balanced but Block should be good to go.

I'm fairly certain the Grey Knights even daring to touch the Big E would cause a second Horus Heresy. It'd be kinda like that ominous feeling of someone watching you, you'd just know in your gut something has cosmically changed, and that would definitely lead to multiple Chapters sleuthing and some coming upon Terra.

Emperor fucking preserve me
they were dead a solid third of the mission and still hoovered up most of the stims

>>533459251
>Tactical
>7k ranged damage
>4 deaths, basically 8
Should have kicked him

>>533459251
I dont let bad players take pickups.

>>533459426
There's only so much time i have between dodging the second biovore or sixth zoanthrope to even consider it
And the assault was worse because he melta bombed himself at least 3 times
>>533459564
I can't afford to beeline for the medkits when i'm stuck dealing with a lictor and ravener, they slip by while i'm not looking then get torn to shreds by a single whip warrior and some gaunts

No matter what happens, GW will never have the Emperor has just another character in the universe running around doing battles for the Imperium. That will never happen, there will never be a TT model, he will never be a person who walks and talks, and he will never come back like Jesus to shepard humanity into a new age. 40k must stay 40k, locked in perpetual conflict where nothing ever really happens, and the Emperor will either stay on the chair or become some kind of stupid Force Ghost.

Every hard siege lobby has unleveled retards in it.

>>533459794
Emperor 50k: Age of Neoth

>>533425929
>>533401959
>Allowing fun
Sabre decided that the thing missing from Space Marines was a leveling up system and classes, and from that point everything was fucked.

>>533372825
Here is the actual tier list

Space Marine 1 > Space Marine 2

>>533431924
I don't blame Sabre, I blame the players who keep praising SM2 for fucking up 40k.

I need builds with self-sustains (ammo in particular, but health too), what are yours?

Going to list the options I know of, but I'm skipping the perk that gives you a mag at 30% health and most multi kill perks since I need some more consistent stuff (in my opinion).

Class options:
>tactical: one mag of any primary weapon on executing a majoris every 30 seconds, equipment charge every 60 seconds
>assault: double tap gun strike for two armor segments
>vanguard: health on executions of majoris, extremis and terminus enemies, with prestige can restore armor with his grapple kick
>bulwark: armor every 60 seconds, heal banner
>sniper: heal on demand with the cloak, las-fusil can refund ammo with multikills, with prestige can recover primary ammo with secondary kills
>heavy: multi-melta refund on mutli-kills (which is more doable with the blast),

Weapon options:
>stalker bolt rifle: half a mag if all hit on reload
>melta rifle: same as tactical but only one shot
>multi-melta: can recover small amount of ammo on majoris kills
>instigator: same as stalker

So unless I'm missing something you get no self-sustain on secondaries, meaning that:
>tactical with a stalker or a melta gun has the best ammo self sustain if he can keep setting up executions and easiest equipment sustain, but no health self-sustain
>assault can get some extra armor on a parry but no ammo or health sustain
>vanguard gets the best execution based health self-sustain, and with both melta and instigator he gets some ammo sustain, plus armor with a prestige perk
>bulwark gets the best heal on demand but with a cooldown, plus even better armor sustain than assault
>sniper can heal on demand with a cooldown like the bulwark and as long as he can space his secondary kills on minoris he won't run out of ammo for the primary, especially if he also uses the instigator or stalker
>heavy has probably the worst self-sustain with multi-kills and majoris kills on the multi-melta

Did I miss any perks of note?

Did they nerf siege mode rewards?

I did my normal wave 1-5 and only got 1 bolt pistol skin instead of maybe 3-4 skins

fencing fist is literally hokuto no ken/jjba except you don't kill anything but minoris

>>533463329
Heavy and Bulwark have free ammo on Extremis executes with no cooldown. On Lethal and Absolute, and Siege Mode, there are enough Extremis enemies spawning all the time that those classes rarely run out of ammo.

Vanguard has probably the worst ammo conservation of any class. Most of their weapons are high ROF automatics which chew through rounds and they don't have any ammo regen mechanics. They are the most likely to run out of ammo in a Siege run, but their health regen and melee is really good so it balances out.

For Assault do you take the 50% slower contested health or the 7 kills for a free Melta bomb perk?

>>533465464
I'm a 20% pistol damage gamer til the end of time. I don't care about grenade spam, and I don't get hit so often that I need to talent around it. 20% from that perk and another 15% from the prestige perk, and Assault's plasma pistol hits really really hard. Furthermore, all grenade regen perks are diminished if you are playing with a Tactical who has the equipment team perk, which makes the rest of them redundant.

>>533465260
Vanguard with an instigator has some ammo self-sustain, he's just not as good at it as sniper and tactical.

>>533465707
Gunstrike is so lame when I could just keep punching without a care in the world.

It is generally a terrible idea to put defensive and offensive talents in the same row/tier, and this is a lesson many MMOs and RPGs have had to painfully learn over decades. Saber ofc doesn't give a shit and just shoves shit wherever because they don't think about these sorts of things.

>>533463329
In Absolute there are ammo boxes everywhere
In siege mode x5 ammo boxes only cost 30 points
Even if you're an ammo guzzler like a carbine Vanguard that shit is nothing as long as your teammates do their skill challenges and everyone does side missions
Most players are just farming wave 1-10 for cosmetics

>don't want to quick play because chaos missions
>don't want to siege because fighting chaos every other five waves
this sucks

>>533466948
the warm embrace of specific queuing only Tyranid ops