Thread 533144863

The Wheel has turned once again

Everybody Storming Edition

Dominions is a fantasy turn-based war game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.
The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 3400 units, 1100 spells and 400 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them. It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.
Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.

>Our pastebin (extremely outdated)
https://pastebin.com/wjbSA98Y

>Steamgroup
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

>Multiplayer guide
>Blitzserver (game hosting service)
https://blitzserver.net
(Dom 6)
https://beta.blitzserver.net/games
>Llamaserver:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1212948582

>Documentation
https://illwinter.com/dom6/docs.html

>Tools
>Mod inspector
https://larzm42.github.io/dom6inspector/
>Wiki
https://illwiki.com/
>Pretender calculator
https://zollqir.github.io/pretenders-dom6/
https://caleb-distributive.github.io/pretenders-dom6/ (website down?)
>Debug mod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3083231618
>Communion fatigue calculator (still dom5)
https://instacalc.com/53495
>Automatically prevent starts in all provinces with less than X connections (still dom5)
https://nixx.is-fantabulo.us/dom5ranmapnos/

>How do I change the fonts?
Replace guifont.ttf, guifont_fancy.ttf and guifont_texty.ttf in the game's 'data' folder (C:\Steam\steamapps\common\Dominions6\data)

>Fan art
https://thronebooru.booru.org

>Sloop’s Comfy Balance Mod
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zeDyK8Zb_p4lIJ0yp3a3ikMprRkmBCWvy31_4jBen3Q/edit?usp=sharing

Previous Turn of the Wheel
>>531817381

>>533144863 (OP)
oh just fuck off mate

>>533144863 (OP)
Only crime here is luck 1

>>533144863 (OP)
Can someone explain this

>>533146010
meme

Fish Mitre real

I know movespeed doesn't correlate 1:1 with the grid, but does precision?
ie; an enemy 15 tiles away from a mage that casts a spell with 15 prec total will 100% hit?

>https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/656#status
Forgot I hadn't joined yet

We are getting close
Just a few more for the most FENTFUL SUMMER OF LOVE

>>533149403
precision is doubled over 10
so 15 precision is actually 20
distances under your precision are hit with 100% accuracy (IIRC)
more than that and you start to have deviation

the shot leading sucks in dom5 and dom6 so in most cases even perfect precision isn't great (assuming there is a projectile)

Does Dominions 4 have the exact same soundtrack as Dominions 3 or was something deleted?

>>533151131
oh damn forgot about it being worth double over 10. So if a mage manages to have 18 prec (wind guide + eagle + 2xp), a pillar of fire theoretically has perfect accuracy at 25 range, and even at 50 should only deviate by ~1 tile?

Gas station started if any of you wandered into that game.

Diarrhea has spread among the militia.

>>533149403
>>533151131
>>533154582
Precision is not that good. Precision 15 (20 in calculations) would only be accurate out to 8 squares. Precision 18 (really 26) would be accurate out to 11.

>>533155493
>the militia has spread among the diarrhea

>>533157631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdd4rBlsj2o

>>533156850
man fuck using anything that isn't 100 prec then
was excited to bust out pillars of fire, but instead I think I'll still keep my f3+ guys just casting incinerate.

>>533149828
Bump, join up friendos.

Nactions for this feel?

>>533162986
ma ermor because i wish you were dead

>>533157631
kek

>>533154582
does it have the inaccurate tag?

>>533156850
>the amount of deviation is equal to range * 1.25 / precision
you understand that in quite a few cases this will round down to 0 right?

bro is out here posting the manual with the formulas and then screwing it up LMAO

>>533156850
weird, manual has a different formula than the wiki, which one is right?
Because just (Distance*1.25)/prec is way better than irandom_range(0,prec-1)+(Distance*1.25)/prec

Would the game be significantly different if everything involving precision was just perfectly accurate instead?

>>533175582
Yes, archers would be totally busted like in COE

looks like the trooncord dominions players make up for 99% of the dominions community

>>533177483
yeah.
sell your link for xrp bro

>>533177652
sorry but i am determined

>>533173578
That formula is Loggy verified. The manual is wrong/out of date.

>>533177483
still hodling

Why does it matter when archers can't lead for shit

Archers are neat but they rape my frontline half the time

>>533183998
How? Unless you're playing shit like frogs or monkeys

>>533184389
Idk longbowmen tend to deviate their shots and pen into my dudes giving them afflictions n shit. Though I like to do fire closest so maybe that's my faully

Is there a spell that fucks up horses that cavalry ride?

>>533188317
Anything thats large AOE and magic resist negates. Horses have shit magic resist.

>>533188317
there are anti-animu spells, most of them work because most animus have abysmal MR

>enemy suddenly shows up with auxillary army on my borders, bigger than even their main one
>"Oh fuck I might actually be dead"
>they move it onto my sieged fort I'm actively scrying for accurate numbers expecting its walls to get blown the fuck out instantly
>it's a tiny shitbaby army of just a few good units with multiple effigies of war

that son of a bitch got me good
he'll pay for this trickery

>>533188317
Charm animal

>>533202665
>dies to one arrow

>>533202769
That's why she stays underwater :)

>>533204718
>that's why she stays underw-ACK

>>533205557
Are these actually good?

>>533211053
No but they're cheap and can potentially fuck up some high armor units if they're massed

What do you do in this situation if you're the guy on the right?

https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/657#status
BLIIIIIITZ

>https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/657#status
one more for a blitz to launch

JOIN JOIN JOIN

Rus if you're in gasstation do your damn turn.

>>533212730
Stab them in the leg

Can someone redpill me on this weird ass map

>>533216774
balanced but kinda ugly, check out bankuo or nipponla, or the floating islands.need more comfy hand drawn maps like that. lucid's atlas kinda cool too.

>>533216774
KYS
how dare you question the generosity of mapfag?

>https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/656#status
geroge floyd fent game
still recruiting

one more min

>>533217706
that looks kind of good, you are gay

Dividing the game stages by turns.
Expansion phase:1-15
Early game: 15-30
Mid game: 30-60
Late game: 60-90
Please end the game: 90+
What do you think domgee

Rain of Jaguars

Ghosts do your fucking turn

>>533236421
wip

>>533248174
GATO SEXOOOOO

FENTMIN YOU GOT YOUR PLAYERS, NOW START GAME!!!!

>>533188317
solar brilliance
kills skellies and turns the horses blind!

Oh fuck can the fent game be restarted? I submitted the wrong tendie

>>533252464
started game BTW

>>533258275
post the one you submitted

>>533261425
It's the olm for agartha i fucked up and used the old one with wrong path and bless

>>533261425
It's fine if we don't redo it though it's just marginally harder for me mid to late

>>533262974
>>533263318
you have 30 minutes

I really want to kill myself now, fucking keep fucking dying in la expansion due to squads going around my blob of dudes and killing my commander

>>533273623
A skill issue I can identify with

>>533271167
k it's done

>>533275921
the map had to be regenned you fuckwad
I hope your start is much, much worse

>>533275921
Based

>>533273623
>larger blocks
>line formation
>use some chaff to protect the flanks

blitzmin I dont want to lose my turn to your shoddy servers ;_;

>do turn with 5 minutes left
>server instantly goes down
I sure hope it actually went through.

>>533283185
>just have more units bro

>>533287491
>he can't afford a handful of militia

I hate playing death scales because I always feel like I'm going to poorer the next turn.

>>533288397
I always pick growth 2 or 3 if able.

>>533273623
spit your dudes in two or three blocks and put them on the left edge on hold and attack with your Commander between them in 3x hold stay behind troops.
pd does not attack rear, they move to attack "something". if your army is in one block then they will only have two working targets to choose from your army and your Commander. if the pd has multiple blocks one is bound to roll your Commander as a their target and wrap around your line to hit him.
the further back your army is the more spaced out the pd is going to be then they hit your line allowing you to have local numerical superiority, this only works if your dudes have ~the same movement speed. but this also stops the 100+ pd armys from wraping around

>>533273623
hello anon, never krill yourselvf, think of all the bats and froggs youll sadden

>>533286976
Please roll back MAde_in_sweden, I cannot do my turn because server is down and I am amidst two wars.

>>533294647
will do when blitzserver is back

>>533294867
Thank you kind admin

>>533295171
>>533294867
>>533294647
no need to roll back, the server came back at the last second

>>533300556
Thank you

Summon Cock

Dust to dust

I did my crack turn and double turn, don't worry!

Will an intelligent unit trample his own units when attacking?

>>533331768
Yeah

Summon Ker

blitz?

>https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/658#status

Summon Bishop Fish

Here's the Nidbathed-chan!

>>533359168
Lewd

>>533359168
scars should be black, 0/10 jk she cute

>>533360023
She's bad at fighting :(

Gnight domg

>>533359168
>Bathed in the lifeblood of at least 7 of her closest friends

Jag dumpy

>>533355402
I think it could use some more undead.

I have been thinking about what I will give this guy once I make him a commander via Divine Name..Pretty sure I can give him Siege Golem bodyguards, and I want Mistform, Luck and Mossbody on him from other spellcasters, but his equipment leaves a lot of options open

>>533367189
Why him, do you have a plan?

>>533359168
I love this artist

>>533359168
Thank you anon!!!

>>533367189
Gate cleaver and extra arms for a second gate cleaver.

>>533367189
Just be like me and get lucky enough to have your normal Golems get extreme obesity

>>533372773
(Okay technically it was Heroic Toughness, not sure if that's better or worse for a Rock)

>expand very well
>decent scales
>income of ~4k
>6 lv2 forts and a few more on the way (cap not included)
What now? Talk to each neighbour and smash into the one not giving you face? Or just sit still research and do nothing?

>>533379651
mmm i dont know maybe take thrones and win the game?

>>533379651
Find thrones to snipe

>>533162986
LA Ulm

>>533366448
Would certainly dump into

>>533366448
how much PD to dump to defend against jag rush?

Reminder that binding diplo is for discordtrannies

>>533389043
Fax my brother, speak your shit!

Fuck you Man!

>>533367189
>item slots [slots]: head(crown only), 2 misc
you forgot to click the "advanced" button

>>533394618
>Knight of Avalon's on you
Nothing personnel, kid

What are the worthwhile national summons for MA Shinuyama? There's so many that I don't know what to try, and my gobbos are starting to get their asses kicked a little too often for my liking.

>>533404140
dai tengu for sure, breaks you into better air and gives access to flying troops
buffalos can be good for early tramplers

>>533248174
>>533366448

>>533404140
None of them are bad.

>>533404140
Mujina and kitsune break you into glamour.
Omukade may be less impressive in practice than on paper. Their 20 protection is good, but might not be good enough for a size 7, 13 MR unit with 9 defense and 16 combat speed causing them to zoom ahead alone, and their summoning-turn efficiency is poor.
Do Jorogumo have assassination or seduction skill in any of its forms? If not, it might be buggy, maybe ask Illwinter.
Okami look cool, not powerful, but you get many of them, and they have magic weapon bites.
Dai Oni may be a fun summon late, but wraith lords are good as well.

In a fight between Asphodel and Ermor who wins?

>>533418221
Jorogumo are seducers

>>533418237
Everyone else

>>533418221
>Omukade may be less impressive in practice than on paper. Their 20 protection is good, but might not be good enough for a size 7, 13 MR unit with 9 defense and 16 combat speed causing them to zoom ahead alone, and their summoning-turn efficiency is poor.
They are paying for the fear effect, which Illwinter puts a premium on.

>>533422830
Demon Knights are still GOAT

>>533418237
Asphodel easily

>>533433868
Why?

>>533436271
Asphodel can regen entire armies of vine people with a 4 priest

>>533437095
Holy shit!

>>533436271
Asphodel can hire mages so they can have a lot more then Ermor.

>>533421675
jorogumo are not seducers

Singleplayer shitter here, why does MA Pyrene feel so bad to play? Is it just that everything they have is a bit overpriced? Is it blood magic being not as strong as it used to? Is it just a skill issue?

>>533443713
They can fucking spawn mages with gems

>>533447737
Gems are harder to come by then gold. Ermor's weakness is that you depend on RNG for your sites to get the gems you need and even then that's a mage turn spent on summoning more mages. Being able to buy some mages early on to research and site search is a big advantage.

>>533446683
They have strong sacred cav, good nonsacred troops, rec anywhere flying A2's and they can recruit their best mage in any forest. Maybe it's not Pyrene that feels bad, but blood magic, which can't do anything useful or fun until level 6 or 7.

>>533449132
No I meant Asphodel can spawn mages with gems and they get more with each temple

Congrats to Muspel for winning the game. Fuck you Blitzmin and thank you for the funny death war.

>>533453875
Oh shit oh fuck I was wondering why this turn was taking a while. I didn't even notice.
I should have taken the vampire lords more seriously in hindsight. I sort of just ignored then and mopped up behind them with sauros every now and then, which was fine, until you (I presume you're sauro) stole my well of misery then I went balls deep trying to get it back and had that really stupid fumble where I lost all my wights.

I enjoyed the constant manifestation + ghost riders spam.

>>533457069
You can't keep the well anyways. I have Thaum9 and an S mage that can cast analysis for the exact amount of gems needed to steal the well back, and i have 400D gems stocked up and waiting.

>>533458339
>and i have 400D gems stocked up and waiting
I figured you were stockpiling with how few ghost riders and manifestations you were actually sending.
Did you actually get a chance to see how big the overcast was?

>>533458562
Not yet, was about to cast analysis this turn when i realized game is over

>>533458730
Oh, how many vampire lords did you have by the end there?
Was getting my third mind hunter online. Was hoping that'd take some of the pressure off but I imagine you would have just started kitting them with MR gear soon if you hadn't already.

>https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/659#status

late night blitz once more

>>533459616
I pump out 2 vamp lord each turn ever since the blood vortex. In total maybe 25-30, but half doesn't have gear, and i can afford to forge items for 2 a turn. And yep the moment you start the mind hunt i was forging pendant en masse. They already have 17 mr so i wasn't that worried, but 21 mr would be near impossible to kill without pen gear

>>533449618
That too.

Are the generic vampire units summons any good?

>>533460235
Yeah I already had them kitted with mr pen gear so I probably couldn't squeeze out much more.
Oh well. I was spamming dust warriors at that point, which I wish I'd done earlier. I waited 5 turns for a tart with FD before realising the monstrum I had sitting around already had FD. Those things have an absolutely insane stat block in my dominion when I take heat since its like heat 2 native so they end up with a 19att/20def stat block without buffs since my dominion ended up heat 4 a good portion of the year. Its insane.

>>533461242
I was going to play dust warrior too, that's why i had a deep well up for the E income. I also had a tart with the necessary path.

>>533461926
SCBM changes dust warriors to fire.

>>533461241
They fly and they're immortal but by the time you get them, meh. Before thrones existed (so that games went forever) it was a strat to summon hundreds of them.

>>533453875
thanks i write a aar tomorrow (today its 3am)
i wish i would have gotten involved in your deathwar, instead i had to deal with a new random player and ai armys every other turn
>>533461242
everything with with firepower becomes great once Eternal Pyre gets online, but dust walkers are really something special. at the end my army became 50/50 muspel Giants and dust walkers

Is the "v play domingos" game free to join?

>>533449420
Their strong sacred cav is nice, but have anyone tried to use the storm demon strat with MA Pyrene to its fullest? Spam storm demons, give the national item to their best mage, and have flying armies where their mages buff the storm demons with enlargement, strength and storm (storm power) for increased ranged lightning damage? That must be what Illwinter envisioned.

>>533446683
>Is it just a skill issue?
it's this, but you already said as much with your first two words
akerbeltz dodge the main blood nerf (to minimum blood level for full hunting efficiency) and you have the easiest storm demon summoner recruitment in the game, and to cover your blood eco development you have powerful sacred cav
it's top tier

>>533464952
Thanks anon!

>>533459806
When will this start?

Man can you fuck off

>>533366448
I'm curious, how much have you spent on domingos art over the years?

>>533492816
About 10 grand iirc, but I have a lot of passive income and already own property so it doesn't really bother me

>>533493072
Honestly not that much considering it's been nearly a decade.

>>533493072
Thank you for your service

Crannog Ys Underwater Blood Nation in the LA when…

>>533453875
>>533457069
i had a bog standard Fortitude, regen and schock resistance on a Monolith bless. i just added low light vision because i planned at the start to go for caves and then summon the four dwarves in the midgame with the possibility of adding the galegate in the lategame. i suffered the experience of that combo in the sparks disciples game and wanted to share that misery with some other players.
Sadly I had no caves close to me and i fucked um my pretender paths, while going from drain 2 to drain 1 i moved air from 4 to 2 denying me the dwarves until i empowered my pretender, but air gems there to important for such investments until lategame there the dwarves would hurt me more than the other players, while also making me the target of all the players.

>>533506835
Expansion as a giant nation is not all that hard, you recruit as many giants as you can and recruit a priest commander to lead them every other turn.
Sadly my expansion was rather slow because i had a coastal cap and from my four land provinces one had barbs, one lizards and one had something like 3 bloodhenge druids forcing me to leave my capring until i had a good number of giants.
After expansion was done and i had a good number of indi scouts ging i had a rather good idea of that was going on in my surroundings.
R´ley was fighting atlantis and was not interested in annoying me.
Ctis in my south west had heat 2 and would have been a great early war target but we had a realy awkward border that i did not want to fight trough, in addition ctis and hinnom there already fighting and i would rather fight ctis later than help hinnom win that war and then have to deal with him myself.
In my north was Tir na n´Og and my border with him was worse that my border with Ctis, i got a quick nap with him because i did not want to get elfed and then ignored him.
This only left my with lanks as my early war. He has had the best expansion and was already building multiple forts, but while he was investing his gold in in infrastructure and mages i did not even recruit mages in my cap all my gold was going into more giants. I simply rolled over him and got my first palisades by conquering his right after he build them. He went ai after i caped his cap, but that just moved the war into an annoying direction as the ai immediately bought all mercs it could buy and started raiding.
With Lanka dead i got some more neighbours, but while i would have wanted to also kill Kailasa and Mictlan because they had at that point in the game no answer to firegiant stepping on their cap i instead started to invest into my Research, to get to my answers to the Ubar i now bordered.
Ubar was grabbing all the provinces he could and was at that point by far the biggest on the map.

>>533506835
>Sadly I had no caves close to me
I wanted to get the hidden in caves skeletons but the only cave entrance on the map was on the other side of the planet from me in agartha's territory. Good morning I hate randommap.

>>533509585
I allied with T´ien Ch`i to force Ubar to fight on two fronts and hopefully split his raiding forces. T´ien Ch`i also recruited Oceania into the war and claimed to get Tir na n´Og and Marverni ropped in, but they never showed up. I also tried to get some more allies but i think fucked up and send my larpy messages to people that did not border Ubar confusing them instead of getting allies.
The war against ubar was not that exiting, i finally started recruiting muspel Jarls and kitting them. Spirit Masks are a cheap way to get Spirit Sight and some mr, frost brands i brought from T´ien Ch`i as i had no water mages but wgems and Weighless Tower Schilds and Boots of the messenger are always useful and i made tons of them.
btw: enchanted Salt is a scam i used all my egems to give all my muspel Jarls one and it did nothing, anything else in the misc slot would have been more useful. If somebody knows how to make them work please tell me because i have no clue.
In the war against Ubar i simply but my main stack onto his cap while raiding and counterraiding with my jarls. then i had to wait till i researched Ench 6 for Fay-eyed Warriors to storm his cap, because i feared he get all his raiding jins to kill my giants on his cap
But while i waited on ubars Cap T´ien Ch`i managed to get his armys blown up by said Jins because he send them simply in with just some random mages and no plan.
Meanwhile Oceania got ubars southern lands and gave reports on there Ubars pretender was.
In the end i got ubars cap and its surroundings, Oceania the south and T´ien Ch`i got ubars throne and 3 forts.
While this was going on sauromatia and Ctis stated their deathwar while killing Vanheim and caelum seemingly incidentally. Funnily Caelum ai survived between them because its two forts there sieged by eventindies. And the Throne of Bureaucracy and the Throne of the Sun also never got touched. I think both of them would have wanted these 5 fgems to spam more dust walkers.

>>533486026
it got canceled

>>533509585
>>533509585
well played. From what it reads, sounds like good strategy, diplomacy and execution. Early scouting sounds like it must have helped a lot in rather crucial decision making

what bless did lanka have?

>>533512796
yea all the caveentrances there oddly clustered, only my scouts got to enter some of them
>>533513423
the Hellheim, Maverni and Tir na n´Og trieangle never much of anything, Maverni did not even get the thrones that there in his territory and he had the Thrones of creation and abundance. Hellheim woke up once Oceania gone ai and starded slowly taking his land provinces. And Maverni conquered Tir na n´Og after he went ai, but he let me vulture like half of Tir na n´Og.
Oceania killed Yomi and Therados and then ether fell asleep or lost the will play. He went ai in a still decent position.
Meanwhile Rley killed atlantis and started skirmishing with Agatha, but as a whole he sat in his pond and did nothing.

I planed to join all the people doing nothing and started searching my land and slam Dreamstones, Owlquils and Skullmentors to get up to lightless lanterns as fast as possible to catch up in Research and get Eternal Pyre up. But while i was doing what Tir na n´Og, Mictlan and Kailasa gone ai and i vultured that i could from them. I even got Mictlans cap accelerating my blood eco i was trying to set up at the same time.
my Plan was to blitz Ctis once Eternal Pyre got heat up to atleast 4 and my candles with gift of healt there on one or two of his forts.
But everything changed then T´ien Ch`i brocke his nap with me.

So outside unholy weapons and soul slay communions, how are you supposed to kill fort regen giants in 6 anyway? False damage is trash.

>>533515452
i had two indi scout provinces and i recruited out of both continuously, if i had to rely on my national scouts i would have suffered.
No scout in the cap and a basic 40 stealth scout for 60 gold in non cap forts, what a joke

>>533515452
Giantbait
Shock and fire resistance Incarnate
and Regen Incarnate

>>533516323
warrior illusion spam

>>533516323
Doesn't false damage ignore regeneration and a bunch of other stuff? It just adds to a counter and when it reaches the max HP value you just die

>>533517453
The problem is it checks MR, as almost everything that regenerates or has blood vengeance has good MR.

How does raiding/pillaging works? I have a stealth army (Jotunheim wolf riders) inside an enemy province and my only options are 'Move', 'Attack Current Province' and 'Hide and Wait'. Pillage is only an option within my own lands.

>>533515961
why T´ien Ch`i decided to fight my i still dont quite get but i dont think he quite through of the consequences of attacking me, because after the nap ended e stardet raiding me but never send a serious siege army out.
this allowed me to gather my spread out vulturing giants and simply go from fort to fort slowly cracking them, he was a real fort spammer. At some point he realised he had lost and gone ai.
In addition to him oceania had gone ai and his ai attacked me, but just like T´ien Ch`i it just tried to raid me for a bit. But with this war i finally got a water province allowing me to summon a queen of water. This surprised me because i assumed with all the water nations someone should have picked up his water harem, instead i got it.
At this point i entered a clown dimension because Rus also attacked me pulled then back, but said to me that he indeed wants to fight me. just to then stall 6 times and then go also ai.
And while i was dealing with what i got a message from pyrene that he is bored, this was his reasoning to put a 1000 cavecows on one of my forts. he got that fort but i killed that "army" with good old living fire spam. Sadly i did not have the time to post that battle in thread. after i wiped out this he also gone ai.
At that point my turns had clown music playing because while my scouts watched a fun deathwar i had to deal with 4 ais screaming "random bulshit go" while cracking one or two forts a turn.
i also got like 150 gems and spend most of them on forging and rituals. I have 30+ amulets of antimagic and resilience and messager boots as a standart kit floating around on mages and jarls

>>533516323
that depents a lot, as some nations you are kinda screwd unless you pick a counter bless and other have guys with 2handers that simply kill them then they show up
unholy weapons is a great counterpick, but ctis killed hinnoms giants that had better attack density witch Serpent dancers and weights.
because of attack density you can also chop them up with with a sufficed amount of barbarians, cav or lizard slaves because every Muspel giant costs 140 gold and kills at best an unit a turn
skellespam or evos like frozenhart also work somewhat. and in the mid/lategame you can put +strength and ap weapons on your troops with 2hand weapons to just kill them
cursing them is also great because that an 5% chance to get a affliction on every damage
>>533519334
you can only pillage provinces that you own, for the raid command you have to be in your province and border a province of an other player, you then atack the other province and pillage it if you win, afterwards the troops return to you province.
consult illwiki and the Manual to read how it properly works

Anyone have advice for fighting Uruk as Phlegra? They've got 300-400 sized stacks of mostly heavy inf that overwhelm my helotes very quickly and then surround my giants. Would spamming the stone hurler cyclops work to thin out their numbers? Or do I just need to achieve a critical mass of gigantes?

>>533520417
once I have started conquering rus and tock the waterThrone in my cap with my water harem. I realised i only needed one more throne to win and theat rus had 2 right in front of me, i started summoning Bishop fish and forging flying Carpets.
afterwards i waited until all the fish there in position to claim the 6 thones in one turn and finishing the game.
I think no one quite realised how big i got just from fighting my 2,5 front war.

>>533516465
yeah that is definitely giant bait. Regeneration on palankashas doesn't help much if the muspel giant has a chance of killing a palankasha in one blow

>>533516323
depends on what you have in your bless and what kind of giant it is. If you're lanka, one option involves overcoming their regeneration. But that is easier said than done

if you have the bless in >>533516465, and you're up against muspel giants of >>533506835, then:
>storm demons are not amazing due to shock res and regeneration, unless you somehow mass enough of the storm demons and buff them
>imps are not amazing due to regeneration and fortitude, but not bad either
>demons die in melee, muspel giants have high health and protection and helmets and fire power and heat aura

could do blood sabbath stuff if you have the research for it, skelespam, battlefield enchantments, etc., and regeneration means probably not dying of sabbath fatigue. But you probably won't have the research if being rushed

could try diplomacy and scouting and do diplomancy if you start next to muspel

at the end of the day, regen + fire and shock resistance is as Muspel said giantbait, at least in the early game. Might be the case that you will have to accept that you either: run the risk of straight up losing if you start next to muspelheim; or plan and pick a different bless. Regeneration is great on lanka if lanka gets research due to blood sabbaths, but if you get rushed by muspelheim before then, it doesn't matter. It's fair to run such a risk, just be aware of it. Try to identify the biggest threats to your bless, and plan accordingly, or just accept them as risks

you mention other blesses, namely unholy weapons. Quickness is great for overcoming regeneration. Fear and dread could be used as asymmetrical counter, muspel giants have relatively low morale, but that requires your demons to survive long enough

very well played to Muspel, honestly, Muspel correctly identified the bless as giantbait, and skipped recruiting mages and went all in

.

>>533516773
if they're muspel giants, that probably won't work. Muspel giants have magic weapons and heat auras

>>533521389
some things i lernend in this round:
lore of legends exists i wasted quite a number of gems and blood slaves empowering that i did not need to waste
Vengful Water: is shit in 6 compared to 5, size 3 water eles cant even reliable kill scouts even with the hp boost from gift of heath and water aces does not even guaranty the size 7 eles. While a nerf was necessary this one moved Vengful Water from always cast to never cast
Eternal Pyre: on the other hand is now retarded, scales going up to 5 makes everything with firepower great, but you also get one or thwo mages a turn and they dont come naked but instread come with five or six fgems if its a 3f mage or with at lest wit 2 fgems 2egems and 2perls if its the 2f1e2s mage.
in the time i had it up i got 23 3f and 8 2f1e2s mage that are at lest 131 fgems nearly the amount of gems i put into it, while also giving me the earth astral crosspath that until then i only had on my pretender.
faery queen: them not being a3n3 anymore is annoying but instead you now get the earth nature crosspath giving them streng of gaia making them an even better N caster, while the Air Glamor can still cast wailing winds and some of the higher G spells making it more of a Siedegrade. You just have to watch their morale its still shit.
Blitzmin already said it but if you can cast the hidden in spells if you have the temp scales they are ridiculous.

>>533523624
i dont think i have all that much to say anymore.
Muspelheim is, i think, the definition of a getting a ball rolling nation.
you have to sacrifice everything you can, but as long as you can win you first war and secure your mid game you have a clear road to Victory.
your mages are expensive but have good paths and can forge reseachboosters in Air, Glamour and Death allowing you to force con 7 for flightless lanterns on the back of your giants fighting without magesupport.
And once you have them you can catch up on Research and start properly buffing your giants, shutting down many counters.
But you also have the magepaths to ignore your giants in the late game and commit to communion bullshit, i just never had to.

Overall they are in unsurprising in the same class as niefelheim in that if you want to dump your temp scales you better look first if one of the giants is not in the game to fuck you up and if you do dump your temp scales have something ready to deal with the giants coming to kill you.

>>533525260
that was all, thank you all wo played in this game it was fun and thank you all wo read my aar, sorry i am not that fast of a writer.
i wish the next time i am in such a long game i too get to fight a deathwar on the scale of the one i got to wath on the sideline.
seeing 5 ghost riders dropped on a army made my day and tartarians being actually used in combat is something that i havend seen in ages.

btw: has someone the link to zzz i will post it over there to

>>533526042
thank you, the aar was great, and well played and congrats on the victory

>>533516323
Fatigue play, false damage, and cold damage. Heat cloud doesn't do anything against illusions. You can drop the temp using rituals if you have good water and cast ice cloud. Pixies can spam elf shot which will get through the mr at some point and sleep the giant. Each illusory army is 20 illusions. Frozen heart. Simple things like diseases if you have N or D.

>>533526042
the throne game

>>533520708
Are you playing in singleplayer?

The only troops I'd use against Uruk are the ax guys, and archers if they're using the unhelmeted troops. Problem with the hurlers is they only have 2 ammo for 35 gold. Gigante warriors are not very good.

You can kill them with big fire/earth evocations. Magma eruption, falling fires, bane fires. Or you can buff and gear gigante and cyclopes commanders. Earthpower, ironskin, fire shield, temper flesh, phoenix pyre eventually. Or, you buff helotes with +strength earth spells and flaming arrows.

>>533527046
Wow they just let you win huh

>>533526702
>Heat cloud doesn't do anything against illusions.
is that because unit temperature auras can at most go to level 2, and level 3 is needed for clouds to deal damage?
how many fire evocations generate heat clouds, at what levels, and how does that interact with level one clouds from units near where the spells hit?

>>533526702
>>533527698
i guess unit heat aura by itself is useless against illusions, but add a single fire mage that casts the right fire evocations, and apart from any aoe damage of the spell itself, the heat clouds may get to level 3 due to the spell's heat, and begin dealing damage as well

>>533526042
i am retarded the link is on the Blitzservergame i posted the aar
a file limit of five and a character limit 20000 is convenient wo would have through

Is there any mod that fixes the stupid thing where every entrance to the underground spawns in the bottom left of the map?

>>533513423
>btw: enchanted Salt is a scam i used all my egems to give all my muspel Jarls one and it did nothing, anything else in the misc slot would have been more useful. If somebody knows how to make them work please tell me because i have no clue.
It's only good against the SC's and you need at least two of them throwing salt at him at the same time.

>>533527448
they there all busy in a fun deathwar or to far away and the once who tried to stop me died to Fire giants in heat5 and under Gift of health

>>533493072
Any interest in commissioning an oil painting?

>>533493072
Based patron of the arts

>>533530429
Nah i'd rather do it myself

AAAAAAA FUCK YOU MAN

Ulm do your turn in Crack

Pale Riders

Dead community, dead game, dead thread.

>>533566268
Then make something of yourself

>>533566268
Came back after 6 months break, seems like trooncords are kind of dying as well.

>>533578538
We still have a few games, just wait for the weekend

>>533578538
zemaitia...did not arrive...

>>533591179
Thursday

bump

>>533566639
I made something of myself and dominions is my respite from the something I have to be

>>533578538
Ripe time for anons to finish their dominions clones.

>>533611880
anons don't have the background of illwinter, even illwinter shouldn't have been able to make dominions

This will never be replicated and this is lightning in a bottle

>>533519623
I had to declare war on you because you were too powerful and leaving you be any longer would be gg. Though I had no clue what to do against regen fire giants since my main strategy relied on exploding meme ghosts. I tried to just turtle up, enchant walls and and hope someone else would come to my aid but everyone hated me after I cast Wrath of God lol. Which caused Oceania to rage quit who was my only other ally nearby. Then I just decided maybe foul vapors would work, nope, maybe holding the gates would work, nah he can fly. I tried mass raiding which worked okay but as soon as my castles got locked down it was hard to do anything.

I know you said use weapons of sharpness but that shit is hard to put on human sized dudes fighting 50+ giants.
I know you weren't actively mounting up dudes on my border and was probably thinking of going elsewhere but I felt that was the turning point in the game where there was a chance to stop you, even if it was a just a dice roll. gg well played though.

Though on the topic of Ubar I managed to kill a few in assassin battles and patrolling them out, but all the armies I sent were just meant to distract while I figured out what to do. I figured at least then it would divide up his forces a bit.

Pale Rider

>>533617156
>my main strategy relied on exploding meme ghosts

>>533617156
ea t'ien ch'i against regenerating fire giants, just have a million masters of the sword and spam evocations. And if you got alteration research, spam frozen heart with students of the way

Hahahaha fuck you Man!

>>533629291
How high was that pd anyways

>>533630115
Looks like 25.

>>533631028
25 troglodytes for just 25 pd? Troglodytes are expensive

>Curse of the Frog Prince doesn't work on monsterous toads

This is bullshit fix your game illwinter

>>533633290
I'll ask em

Do your turns in Crack

>>533631904
I'm mostly basing it on 19 + 2*6 Zotz Guards, which implies that each point adds a guard originally, but from 20 it also adds one more from Xibalban pd.

>>533645215
>>533645446
Sic semper freespawn

>>533645215
how many sohei conversions can you get with a consul through apostasy?

>>533617156
i completely forgot Wrath of God 12+drn just does not kill giants, it just killed some of my scouts.
Well i was building up to become the thread but instead of simply breaking the nap and making enemies by casting Wrath of God you should have focused on dispelling Eternal Pyre.
It gave me so much value and increased the stats of my giants so much that it did not matter that that Rank and File you brought. bringing it down and casting wolven winter on your forts the moment i begun sieging them would have removed the stat advantage of my giants. Also casting Baleful Star would have made my giants collect afflictions making them battle to battle weaker.
You had guys with with 22 damage glaves for 10 gold, them buffed with 4+Strengh and ap weapons with a commander with +Morale would have killed my giants at roughly equal gold losses,but you could spam them out of all your forts while i could only get 5 giants a turn. But this strat only works in cold 2 or lower.
You would probably lost some forts in the battles but with the losses i would take i would have to slow down or even stop to gather strength.
Yea my flying Jarls there quite good. your best bet was probably to just keep them busy with shitty troops because in the end they only kill one man a turn.
In the end it was a meme Bless forced to fight a giant hellbless. If your bless had Righeuus Wrath +something, Unholy weapons +something or was something like stats+Quickness then your warriors of the of the five seasons would have killed my giants on contact with their two attacks a turn.

Thanks for the Ubar detraction btw, while he was hunting your men he did not try to break his cap siege, until i got Fay-eyed Warriors up i gave it a 60/40 on all his invisible Jins killing my Firegiants.

>>533617156
>>533648537
i think wrath of god together with foul air could have worked if Muspel did not have gift of health up

i wonder if illwinter should add something like wrath of god having a probability of striking twice for size 6+ units, with a larger probability the larger the unit

is eternal pyre modded?

22 damage glaves are cool, but muspelheim can bring lots of damage aoe spells to the battlefield, and humans are fragile. Then again, t'ien ch'i has some access to small communions and elemental resistance buffs

the jarls can script fire shield and some of them can script soul vortex with a gem, and they can have aoe weapons, they often aren't bad against lots of units. T'ien ch'i can use its wide paths to easily forge eyecatchers, a cheeky master of the sword might be able to walk up and make a jarl very sad

i agree about the bless. Unholy weapons + quickness would be expensive but especially good and funny

>>533650186
>i wonder if illwinter should add something like wrath of god having a probability of striking twice for size 6+ units, with a larger probability the larger the unit
the lore being that lightning has greater probability of striking tall structures like trees. Though people may dislike lightning striking the same target twice

>>533650186
he means Foul Vapors not Foul Air. Foul Air with wrath of god would have been a declaration of war against everybody else while hurting me the least.
Fire shield does not do as much damage as you think it does, it is reduced by weaponlengh, armour and resistances, it is only realy useful against unarmoured skeletons and ghosts.
Unholy weapons + quickness id overkill, 2 attacks with 15 ap extra or 4 attacks with a bit more strength is already a blender. with one of them one should rather focus on getting the scales and candles necessary to produce a good amount of them.

I've been stuck in a NAP now for six turns . is this a glitch? They declared war on my disciples but somehow I'm stuck in a NAP nobody else seems bound by

>>533653341
posting solution in case aNYONE else gets this problem: the war went thru once the pretender incarnated. wtf

>>533652078
>he means Foul Vapors not Foul Air. Foul Air with wrath of god would have been a declaration of war against everybody else while hurting me the least.
i know he meant foul vapours, but foul air might have been painful on your giants, since they're capital units, if you didn't have gift of health. How does disease and regeneration interact in the most recent patch of dominions 6? I recall disease reducing how much regeneration heals as disease progresses, and that it was changed, either from dominions 5 to 6 or in a recent patch, but maybe i'm wrong

>Fire shield does not do as much damage as you think it does, it is reduced by weaponlengh, armour and resistances, it is only realy useful against unarmoured skeletons and ghosts.
that's true, but fire shield increases with path level, and jarls have 3-4, making it a bit more damaging, and its damage is armorpiercing. And with regeneration + fortitude, passive damage is great, for instance if the jarl is stunned or paralyzed. It's also great against animals from swarm, who have armornegating poison attacks

>Unholy weapons + quickness id overkill, 2 attacks with 15 ap extra or 4 attacks with a bit more strength is already a blender. with one of them one should rather focus on getting the scales and candles necessary to produce a good amount of them.
true, but against regeneration + fortitude giants, overkill meme is best meme. Just imagine a sole warrior of the five elements taking out a jarl in an epic battle. Real kino

Is dominions enhanced any good

>>533659349
It changes a lot but most of the balance decisions are pretty dubious, as is typically the case for large scale mods.

>>533657371
Foul air does work, and Sauro (me) would not care since i have multiple disease healers and a true healer up. But it requires the unit to be wounded in battle first before it gets diseased. Commanders are basically unaffected since they have pyre of carthasis

>>533660787
>But it requires the unit to be wounded in battle first before it gets diseased.
does damage from wrath of god not work to get the unit diseased?

>Commanders are basically unaffected since they have pyre of carthasis
i forgot about that, good point

Is Therodos any good?
Looks like they gave the nation a few powerful gimmicks and then nerfed the shit out of everything else.

>>533663167
they're pretty bad due to spiritform tag the ghosts are just unusable

>>533663167
yes but youll have to play it for 300 hours straight to "get it" like me

>>533648537
I didn't break the nap I cancelled it in a very coordinated and honorable fashion giving me 3 turns to lube up.

Winged monkeys

>>533663167
They're...okay.

>>533677318
Such a fun spell for being so impractical.

>>533680641
What does it do?

>>533684964
It's a remote assassination spell that spawns winged monkeys that do fatigue damage. If they're target is human sized or smaller, they get carried off to the summoner's province and have to fight whatever is there. Not too useful as it needs a astral nature crosspath and they won't target mages, but still fun.

>>533685969
Is the no attacking mages thing a new addition to the spell?
I don't know if it was that spell or maybe a different one with a similar effect, but in the first game I ever won I used it to pull this fucking guy into my capital, with the hopes of killing it out of friendly dominion so that it'd stop coming back and wrecking the shit out of me.
I didn't manage to permanently him and he remained a fucking pain in the ass until the end of the game, single handedly stopping me from taking the last 2-3 provinces Ulm had left for like 30 turns, but it was still a fun plan to concoct

>>533687294
burkhard nachtzehrer is such a badass

>>533695456
Just look at those 3 Ulmish provinces stuck in the middle of birdland. I sent him to fucking hell and he just went full Doom guy and came back.

>>533697418
Tips on Gaylum?

Are sleepers good thugs?

>>533700273
Probably worse than whatever your nation can recruit

>>533700273
In-army thug maybe. That javelin looks pretty good. Only tried it in battle once though.

Is there a way to set up a custom army versus another custom army to test shit?

>>533701883
Arena map.

Is there a hidden durability stat for shields?
i.e. a hide shield would break before a steel shield

>>533710304
I think it was any blow that does X damage more than the protection of the shield is, should be written somewhere in the manual.

>>533710304
Also worth mentioning that different types of damage contribute to breaking a shield differently. But ranged attacks can't break shiels at all (even boulders hurled by giants).

>>533712676
>But ranged attacks can't break shiels at all (even boulders hurled by giants).
they should change that, both ranged attacks and spells should be able to deal damage to shields when the shields block the damage. Aoe attacks that are physical, like gifts from heaven, should also damage shield and armor, and also weapons to be honest

>>533700273
Not really, they're more like a "I need a leader now" sorta thing if you do something like cast animal horde

>>533700273
the other posters are right. They aren't mages, and not that powerful physically. They are great leaders

150 leadership
100 magic leadership
50 undead leadership
inspirational

their gear and stats help them survive battles (stray arrows, spells, attack rear), weaker assassination attempts and some spells, and they have recuperation against disease

helmet of heroes, herald lance and horn of valor all increase their inspirational morale boost further

Do your turns frogs

>>533698627
Era?

Burden of Time

Is building forts in every other province good?

>>533744931
Depends, but if you have the cash then usually yes.

>>533719461
So more a thing for Pan?

>>533735617
Wither Bones

>tfw troops fight better without scripting
Am I a dum-dum?

>>533769626
Who are you trying to fight?

Do domes interact with eachother?
ie; if I cast dome of flaming death, and then dome of misdirection, do I run the risk of obliterating my own mage?

>>533776145
I remember vaguely something about only one dome per province, but it might have been a different game

>>533776145
Yeah

>>533523624
>Eternal Pyre: on the other hand is now retarded, scales going up to 5 makes everything with firepower great, but you also get one or thwo mages a turn and they dont come naked but instread come with five or six fgems if its a 3f mage or with at lest wit 2 fgems 2egems and 2perls if its the 2f1e2s mage.

Huh? I thought Eternal Pyre is just a gemgen that heats up the one prov it's cast in?

Holy shit I love this for MA Mari

>>533782448
Isn't it a bit vulnerable?

>>533784851
Looks okay as long as he doesn't attack barb provinces.
The bless looks great for knights and flagellants though.

>>533782448
Does Mari get a secret bonus for taking heat scales? I've seen it a couple times in game now.
Is it just to make their fire magic stronger in their dominion?

>>533785427
Nah but 1. celestial lion is cheaper and 2. fire res keeps you from getting fatigue maluses from heat

Banefire

>>533782448
Anon if you don't take unaging on your bless you won't get pass mid game when your witch hunters die off in droves when it gets slightly cold

>>533771509
It's not a question of who, but with whom. Specifically machakan spider knights behave much better unscripted.

>>533788786
You can mitigate this by gitting gud and finding a growth throne :)

IT'S BACK!!
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3539874770

>>533792859
qrd?

>>533794378
Hilarious bloatmod from Dom4/5

Curse Tablet

>>533792859
>cavalry buffed
fucking why

>>533798779
You mad rhodok boy?

>>533792859
>Albion - Indefinitely removed. May or may not return later.
fuck this faggot

>>533799239
Say that to my crossbow swadian scum

>>533799480
Wait why????

Should I make a new MA game or an EA game?

>>533804868
DE contains a lot of content from other modders. Albion creator probably trooned out and demanded it removed.

>>533792859
>harvest blade is a construction 5 item that costs 5N5B to make
>vine shield is exactly the same as vanilla
What did he mean by this?????

>>533808130
Ah lame

>>533792859
Okay cool, what era you guys want

>>533782448
Ethereal is way weaker than it seems like it should be.

I'd like to try an Unbearable Splendor/Blood Vengeance/Stygian Skin baphomet. Surprisingly cheap bless for mari, and good for knights, flags and wizards all at once.

>>533813797
Ethereal forces the enemy to have an actual decent mage counter or decent sacreds with magical weapons to counter that.

>>533792859
>fear is 1 death cheaper
>awe is 1 glamour cheaper
>crone is 40 points cheaper and gets D1G1
based

>>533814776
For the love of god not again

>>533815138
Don't worry, I have no intention of playing that build ever again. Scripting dozens of vanjarls every single turn is every bit as cancer as playing against it.

>>533792859
Hellenikeks… we lost….

>>533814580
I just haven't personally seen great results from it on sacred cav. It'd be a lot better if it was paired with something else, but it's very expensive and hard to stack with other blesses because of the cost of the two gumballs.

The solar weapons is at least wise because of all the undead summons that can shit on ethereals. Does it count as magic damage against illusions? Cuz those would be a problem for the horses.

>>533816140
Yeah, it applies as a separate stack even if you whiff with the main hit

>>533814580
>>533816140
The problem with ethereal cav is that it doesn't prevent harassment penalties from piling up, it just reduces final damage intake. Also it doesn't save you from weird stuff like on-hit debuffs or unholy weapons. It's okay on sidhe lords since they can give themselves attack prevention via shroud of bewilderment, and want an additional layer of defense against arrows due to no longer getting Air Shield, but eth is on average overpriced due to the double magic requirement in my opinion.

>>533816631
Yeah but it's helpful against shit like earthquake and random arrows against mages which I like. True it won't stop memes like foul vapors and the fact if doesn't work outside of dominion is annoying
Still, it's a very nice if costly utility bless since it's absolutely fantastic during expansion on a monster tendie

>>533819291
Its value does go up somewhat in ages with crossbows as well.

Does this game have sex

>>533826713
yeah

>>533826713
LA Pyrene and all the Pangeas
Asphodel does not though, but she is cute nonetheless and tries her best

>>533829419
GOAT

why is it always Man who holds up the turn

>>533836146
He's fighting Ulm apparently

Ghost Grips

>>533713715
>Attacker: DRN + (Size points in the square)/2 +2 if magic weapon
>Defender: DRN + (shield parry value x2) – (Fatigue / 20)
This is probably why you can't break shields with arrows.

>>533842818
But the logs differentiate between arrow hitting a shield, body or missing completely. So the roll for shield breaking is just missing for some obscure reason. (though it's obscure in the logs too - shield prot is substracted from damage so you can see lines with something like "-5 damage")

>>533843254
That's odd. Maybe it was changed some time between dom4 and dom6 and never updated. Kite shields used to be GOAT in LA because they just disappeared crossbow bolts.

>>533843413
I tested it thoroughly in 5th. Hide shields and bucklers are easily penetrated by arrows.

>>533844161
the piddly little 10 prot shields don't add too much, but when you start getting into Ulmish black kite shields with 23 prot, even their own xbows start bouncing off of them

>>533826713
it has succubi, and they can become pregnant, so... yes

>>533845540
Do crossbows matter in the MA compared to longbows or even shortbows?

YOU FUCKING STALED MAN

>>533846058
In the game I'm in they definitely do.
Playing as MA Machaka, so naturally my hoplites laugh at even longbow fire, but I rolled unlucky and started next to all three MA nations that have xbows. They spammed them and prevented me from pushing in, so I'd say yea, depending on nation, xbows can be a big difference to normal longbows.

>>533782340
that plus it dispels darkness in its province - but yeah, I have no idea what that person is talking about

I give up you win Agartha
Probably worst early game match up possible for LA Xibalba

hey is the touhou mod updated to 6 yet

>>533854013
Soon

>>533806479
I will play any era so long as it's vanilla.

>>533854532
Senpai no one's asking you if you're a teetotaler or not when it comes to a house party

>>533782340
It's second sun, he just mistook it for pyre

>>533854532
It's not gonna be vanilla

>>533854913
Maybe that made sense in your native third world tongue.

>>533826713
Population of provinces increase every turn

>>533854437
They told me that last year too

I've been told if I don't have 300RP by turn 20 then I should just AI.

>>533857290
A true /domg/ veteran knows who has won the game by turn 12. The most elite among us have been known to divine the outcome of a game by turn 2

Is death weapons ever worth it?

>>533858262
It's a diplo bless, it has the potential to make your neighbors think 'this guy took drath weps holy based', which you can use to your advantage if your a diplofag
If your autistic then no

>>533856448
He's saying that if someone says they'll host a party for the expressed purpose of drinking, saying that'll you'll be there if there's no alcohol just sounds rude

so if I storm a castle and move extra troops into the prov on the same turn, do they join the storming of the castle?

>>533806479
MA for me. I like to drink and also like to watch paint dry, as long as it is with you guys :-)

Why does Mictlan get couatl 1 level earlier than c'tis?

>>533859923
No

Man do your fucking turn in Cracked

Gnight domg

Shadow Blast

>>533829419
Very cute

>decide to try EA Abysia after getting my ass kicked on Lanka in SP because I heard it's easy
>Muspelheim is my neighbor
>They're the strongest nation
>well fuck
>Decide to attack Nieflheim instead
>Barely lose a siege on their fortress due to a reinforcing army
>Cast mind hunt on the province out of butthurt
>My pretender gets caught and turned feeble-minded
Can't catch a break today

I just killed 246 commanders with a single use of Flames from the Sky. Such is the late game when you're playing against several impossible-difficulty AIs

>>533875476
Mind Hunt is kind of a shit spell desu, even on the "this nation is good bc mindhunt" nations. Compare to remote assassination spells, which don't require research in two seperate schools, don't risk ruining the caster and actually have a good chance of killing mages.

>>533875476
Unless your nation has true healers or you know the enemy definitely have 0 astral mages you never ever mind hunt

I'm gay and retarded what is the best naction for me?

>>533792859
>Phaecia - Regained a mild amount of F magic.

>>533882670
Ermor?

>>533899592
Ulm

>>533875476
>>533889779
true, though sacred mages with recuperation meme bless can work as well. Or gift of health

>>533875476
>Lanka in SP
what bless?

>decide to try EA Abysia
what bless?

>Decide to attack Nieflheim instead
abysia has many high protection units, why attack a giant nation who has an easy time overcoming protection with its high strength units?
what neighbors did you have beyond muspelheim and niefelheim, and what blesses did the different war options have?

>mind hunt
how late in the game did you attack, and what happened before that?

>>533854532
I too am waiting for the vanilla game, anon...

>>533899592

if you're retarded, you'll probably lose either way, so if your goal is to be annoying:
look up a guide on how to play ma ermor and get an existing pretender build, and then try to get to cast burden of time
look up other guides that enables you to be annoying
play la r'lyeh

>>533902853
la rlyeh is too weak to be annoying

B(r)at

>>533905271
dominion spreading insanity is always annoying. And if they win the underwater bowl, they can probably get away with casting a variety of annoying globals

>>533901685
No. My rivals were Feminie and Caelum (LA) and they both had huge crowds of cheap mages (and generic human priests, in Caelum's case) clotting up every fortress. Caelum is the one I was flaming from the sky. I was also sending a horror to some fortress-free Caelian province every turn for a while in an attempt to sweep away some temples without breaking our NAP, and to free the provinces so I could quickly squat on them, but every single time, a horror-emptied province would have like twenty freshly arrived human priests in it before I could even make a move. Big groups of those priests were shuffling around on pilgrimages at all times, it seems.

Damn, mapgen feeling extra swampy today

>>533819291
>and the fact if doesn't work outside of dominion is annoying
Huh?

When's the sex update?

>>533913246
We already had it when LA Pyrene got added.

>>533913150
i'm guessing he means it doesn't work on the pretender outside dominion, but that it does work on regular units. It's a bit ambiguous

>Mage A found 3 Magic Sites in X
>Mage B found 3 Magic Sites in Y

>>533913397
We need more sex then, I want to micromanage bat and frog pregnancies
Especially the interspecies ones

>>533914143
make a mod

>>533913538
>Suddenly, a huge barbarian horde attacked and pillaged province X!
>Suddenly, a group of knights attacked and province Y!

>>533915383
My luck scaled would NEVER betray me like that (again)

(I got an unrest event though)

>>533905817
Cute

>>533915383
Still better than throne of Gaia events

Summon Draugr

>>533911157
At least you'll be able to find lots of gem sites. :^)

>>533902693
I, too! there are threes of us!

Best rock?

can ethereal or spirit form units be set on fire (burning status) by a heat cloud level 2? can other kinds of units be set on fire like that?

>>533934408
It depends

>>533934408
>>533938978
>Fire Attacks cause burning. The burn is applied before the Protection roll; there's a 4% chance per point, divided by 3 if it's a Fatigue attack. Fellows with 10 Fire Resistance or more, Spiritforms, and beings with a Chill Aura cannot be burned.

Not against spiritform units, it seems.

I'm guessing that heat clouds level 2 can indeed cause burning, at least if the temperature in the province is high enough.

Been away for a few months, what happened to Illfraud? Riga or LA Na'Ba was supposed to make it into the game like half a year ago.

>>533902385
On Lanka I had stygian flesh, strong blood, and enchanted blood IIRC. I got crushed by Helheim while fighting another war with Arco.

On Abysia I took death explosion (I thought it'd be funny and on theme), ethereal bless, and far caster. My only neighbors available to attack were Muspel and Niefel because I'd already taken out Tien Chi, so I figured going for the ones who weren't fire immune with magic weapnos would be the better call.

>>533885131
All the cool assassin spells are way higher on the tech tree unless you're Pyrene/Atlantis and none of them can kill SCs.

>>533944369
Kristofer has rectal cancer. Johan is burned out on making video games.

>>533951704
Source?

>>533952886
I saw it in a dream

>>533952886
My dad works for Illwinter

>>533955780
Your dad is swedish? Eww.

>>533948601
>On Lanka I had stygian flesh, strong blood, and enchanted blood IIRC.
unless going for asrapas, stygian flesh is honestly a bit of a waste on lanka. Invulnerability doesn't stack with natural protection, and the lankan demons have some natural protection already
why did you take strong blood? Demons are already immune to disease, and lanka has decent options against poison, and enchanted blood helps as well. For the sake of the sacreds that are not demonic?
the bless seems a bit on the weaker side for lanka, I'd have gone for something more expensive, even if only statboosts

>On Abysia I took death explosion (I thought it'd be funny and on theme), ethereal bless, and far caster. My only neighbors available to attack were Muspel and Niefel because I'd already taken out Tien Chi, so I figured going for the ones who weren't fire immune with magic weapnos would be the better call.
that makes sense, and yeah, i'd probably also have attacked niefelheim in that case. If you had air path on your pretender, maybe empowering for it, you could maybe have repeatedly cast breath of the desert on that fort, which might have helped before the siege
the only way to salvage your pretender may be to suicide it and recall it, i believe feeblemind always go away when recalled

>>533944369
They're fucking around with t and t

>MA C'tis description says they're lands of constantly raining and that causes them to turn into swamps
>Actual battles in C'tis dominion are in fact not remotely guaranteed to be raining
For balance I suppose

Any way to get reconstruction on a non-sacred, non-commander inanimate unit?

Man can you seriously fuck off, you're being dumb as shit

>>533967238
Black on black violence, you hate to see it

>>533957303
Yeah my blesses weren't that great - it was my first game trying a demonic/blood nation and I didn't really think about it too hard because I was just itching to jump into a game. Not sure if I can even suicide my pretender since it's one of those immobile ones but I've already written that game off. I'm pretty new and am just trying out random nations that sound cool honestly. I sometimes look up guides or nation overviews but then I just feel like I'm copying that specific strat

>>533966690
gift of reason plus sacred shroud :)

Maidenhood status: preserved.

>>533973073
Neither of you guys seem to have lost that much tho

>having fun crushing everything in sp with LA Ulm Black Templars blessed with Stygian Flesh and Enchanted Blood, 20 of them can take on like 200 independants and win
>run into actual enemy army with like three mages
>nearly entire fucking Templar group gets thundered to death
Lesson learned on mage support but how do I even counter that, take air on pretender for shock resistance? Blood and Death from what I could see don’t seem to have a “fuck lightning” spell.

>>533974158
>Stygian Flesh
>on armored knights
wut?

I just realised I’ve never seen anyone ever, literally ever, discuss Oceania unprompted. Only seen two pieces of fanart and no memes. Why is this and how could it be changed?

>>533974158
Blood Vengeance, duh

>>533974740
Maybe have an identity beyond 'Life underneath the waves corresponds in many ways to that on dry land'

>>533974838
Hey, aren't their sacreds still good tho?

>>533974697
Stygian flesh stacks with armor

Problem is it's not as good against players as it is against indies, and the ulmie found out.

>>533974746
I tried a stygian skin/blood vengeance test last night under the logic that it would mostly hit the mages. Problem is that mages have high MR and can resist it most of the time. I think you need some spammable trash sacreds to buff up your numbers and make it work.

>>533974158
You're Ulm, cast lighting resistance.with your Earth Guys

Also figure out how to econony so you have troops to absorb lighting strikes

new MA game
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>>533212730
die bravely for the afterlife your pretender god promised them (its the inferno)

>>533974740
its all the more notable given the popularity both amphibious waifus and dryads enjoy

>>533944369
the truth is they've emotionally moved on and are pissing around on their never-ever side-side project t&t

we suffer

Hello?

>>533984615
Mods?

>>533725119
Any era.

I don't understand them at all and I've never seen them played well.

I assume awake monstee is the way to go. Take big territory, fort it, ice it, build the heavy ice armor guys to protect the homeland while PD raiding with the lighter lancers

What do you do with the archers? Won't they just shoot your own guys? How do you handle a big army fight?
Just ignore the wingless shitters or buy them?
How do you set up for the big army fights?
Or avoid those, land on enemy forts by surprise, crack in one turn and storm?
National summons, yes or no? I don't know what you'd take on them besides Larger.
Mammoths, just fuzzy elephants and just as shitty?

>>533991869
It's because they aren't really notable or sexy out of sirens I guess

>>534006708
Mammoths are good but even then just Attacking rear with base troops is good for fighting indies
Wingless suck.
Great eagles and draconians for cracking forts

>>533971805
>Not sure if I can even suicide my pretender since it's one of those immobile ones but I've already written that game off. I'm pretty new and am just trying out random nations that sound cool honestly
that may be an issue in the game currently, unless illwinter fixed it somehow, there are discussion threads on the steam forums about if it is possible to heal those immobile inanimate pretenders. It was possible in dominions 5, but dominions 6 became stricter. Maybe illwinter should add a "prepare god rebirth" command for priests, similar to "call god", that kills the god, such that "call god" can be used

>I'm pretty new and am just trying out random nations that sound cool honestly
that's perfectly fine, and theory crafting is popular among many players, though a lot of players also have other approaches. The manual, https://larzm42.github.io/dom6inspector/ (remember to click _advanced_ and _show keys_), https://zollqir.github.io/pretenders-dom6/, the wiki, various AARs in text and video, youtubers, etc., are all sources you can get inspired by or use for researching and theorycrafting. There are also custom maps for more quickly test things. There are a few people that go so far that they use special tools to reverse engineer the game program to try to suss out the specific rules for one aspect or another of the game

>>534009150
Would be funny to have a nation whose mechanic is solely dedicated to the sacrifice of their god and rebirth. Sacrifice give you tons of gold and gems, and recalling is cheap, but of course you need a contingent of priest and elegist ready to call god again

>>534010536
That's Bethel Shem in the Hellenika mod isn't it? God shows up for like one turn and sacrifices itself to give you angels. So getting enough priests to call god constantly is the goal.

>>533974697
to expand on what the other poster wrote, stygian skin gives invulnerability, and invulnerability does not stack with natural protection, it counts instead as natural protection against non-magical damage if it is higher than the natural protection of the unit

protection from armor, however, does stack partially with natural protection/invulnerability, with diminishing returns. The formula is something like

(armorprot+natprot) - (armorprot*natprot)/40

with neither going above 40

so skin spell buffs and invulnerability tends to give the largest value increases on units with good armor that have little natural protection beforehand
https://www.reddit.com/r/IllwintersDominions/comments/1cnl9gv/protection_chart_for_natural_protection_and_armor/
though even a small increase in total protection can sometimes make a large difference

>>533974158
>take air on pretender for shock resistance?
another option is the earth bless that gives shock resistance, but that is incarnate and expensive. Shock resistance is popular on sacreds that have high protection and low health

>>533974740
they might be impossible to balance, since almost all their units can go on land

>>534006708
caelum has ridiculous mobility, both units and mages. Playing them well arguably involves utilizing that mobility to its fullest

thunder strike spam is another meme with caelum. There are battle videos of armies being annihilated within a few turns by thunder strike spamming caelum mages

i've mostly seen mammoths being sometimes used for expansion

for expansion or raiding or killing enemy mages and commanders, attack rear with cheap flying units is often popular

>>534006708
I can give you my impression from the latest EA game.
I went awake death weapons Dracolich thinking I'd expand and make my archers scary but diseasing my own units including Eagle King thugs ended up being a supremely stupid move. Don't do this.
A meme I tried was frontline of mistformed high prot and shock res guys set on guard commander to spam shockwaves on things getting closer to them. It works but it's also really risky. Lightning bolt/thunder strike spam should be much safer.
Another was mistformed quickened mammoths. It worked really well against elves until it didn't, and with that I mean they ended up routing and killed my mages and I went AI. But they did swing a battle for me previously against much better units than shitty birds so it's worth considering.

>>533974740
Underwater nations don't interact with the real nations as much so they're already starting on the bottom rung of interest. Then they're just Pan but wet, and they're 90% unchanged from EA to MA, so they just come out feeling like half-hearted placeholder content, which they likely were. If they had more unusual lifeforms pulled from medieval bestiaries and a broader cultural spread they could be cool. National monster summons, maybe terrain specific freespawn, bonuses to transformation spells or even a national variant. Maybe MA gets reworked to be more of a chaotic mix of monstrous refugees from other seas, throw in some Selkie spies, Fomorian elites, Theredosian academics, seafaring C'tisians, I dunno, just something so they aren't totally stagnant.

>>533967238
I'll agree to a truce. You weren't really the pushover I thought you were, and this wasn't the quick victory i thought it would be. Those templars are a bitch.

>>534011248
Bethel is also interesting in that their god has to be recalled twice, so you can't just get a Seraph+Virtue, or other bullshit every turn.

>>534015319
thunderstrike is shit.
its fine once you get it, but you have to research alt 5 for storm, conjuring 3 for storm power, and evo 4 for thunderstrike itself. Its a huge investment, whereas falling fires or falling frost is just evo 5 and maybe conj 3 for phoenix power or thaum/ blood 1 for communions.

>>534022256
Yeah, which is why I tried shockwave instead but it's both so finnicky to script and risky to execute that I'm not sure it's reliable enough as a substitute. The upside is you just need evo2 for the spell itself and alt4 for mistform to help your frontline hold.

>>534016595
but how would you fix the balancing issue? >>534012335

>>534022256
can't you just get evo 4 first, and then spend air gems to cast thunder strike as needed while you research the remaining targets?

i like the succ sounds dispossessed spirits make when they attack

>>533984615
I will join today if it remains vanilla

>>534025681
...and I rechecked it and it's no longer vanilla...

>>534024308
Balance is for pussies.

>>534022256
Thunder strike is hitscan and AN

>>534024541
yes, but if your going to be spending gems you might as well summon air elementals.

>>534032214
depends

The number of players has already doubled, join the new MA game NOW

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>>534016595
Cute!!

>>534022256
lmao

>>534022256
lmao

>>534035886
Will do

>>534025939
are the games that ban nations like ubar, only for pussies?

>>534041861
Why is only ubar that gets a bad rep

>>534041861
Yes. The game should be played as Illwinter intended.

>>534041861
Yes. If you don't like someone, you do a jihad like pankoman intended.

>>534043403
Ubar is pretty strong but at least they're cool and warring against them is never dull.

I'd like to ban Ermor and Lemuria forever. Not because they're strong but because fighting against them is extremely boring.

Can I stack 2 of the same misc boosters on one mage? For example 2 rings of wizardry.

>>534041861
the correct answer is it isn't banned but people don't choose it because it isn't the done thing

you don't want to be some sort of ubar-using reprobate, and this applies broadly to popkill and uw as well

>>534045968
for most types of boosters, no
a ring of wizardry stacks with a ring of sorcery, but 2x rings of wizardry do not stack
the dominions wiki may have more info

>>534047174
some games have banned ubar

>>534041861
Yes. Don't like to fight a nation, make a coalition against them.

>dance of ephemeral swords also affects all comslaves
Is this usable or is the spell trash?

>>534049534
yes, and they are not unreasonable, but banning ubar is a poor second best to people not picking ubar

>>534053095
All buffs effect com slaves

>>534053305
Why does Illfraud allow Ubar to continue getting away with it? Is it Saudi money?

>>534053558
illfraud doesn't care about dominions

>>534053694
Warmly waiting the traded taint

>>534053095
The spell itself is pretty ass because you need to beat defense and then beat MR and the opponent not be mindless for it to do anything at all.

>>533974740
just wait until Illwinter releases LA Oceania

>enemy running foul vapours + rigor mortis combo for each big fight
>need 9N gems every combat to not get instantly blown out because my mages only go up to N3
please sir, I'm so gem poor, I can't keep this up

>>534056973
Glamour has a ton of spells like that which makes me sad since I love the school thematically.
What am I gonna do? False Fireball that may not even hit and gives an MR check, vs just a straight up fireball that may miss, but if it hits it at least does damage.
On the upside, there's something deeply hilarious about casting twilight, bringing in a dozen g2 (now g3) mages and spamming false horror.

>>534060016
>>enemy running foul vapours + rigor mortis combo for each big fight
>>need 9N gems every combat to not get instantly blown out because my mages only go up to N3
>please sir, I'm so gem poor, I can't keep this up
your cornucopia sir?

>>534055065
They are working on a new version of their floor planner software, which it's no secret has always been the real moneymaker.

Skeletal Army

Any new content you guys working on?

>>534074559
I am working on three different nation mods but I keep getting distracted by arguments on the internet.

>>534074559
Spherical map generator.

I love being marignese.

>>534076660
Based

End of Culture

Bumping for Brats

Do your turn Man

new MA game
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>>534090940
Merc/Global settting?

>>534091702
You can look in the settings tab

>>534092375
I mean will you adjust it to the final number of players? Also will you use a custom map with custom indies?

Ulm do your Cracked Turn

Dead

>>534100936
I will adjust. I'm making a gen map but making custom starting points so nobody gets fucked and custom indies and sites on thrones.

Uttterdark

Who is the threat in VanilLA_Pudding?
Who is the threat in MAd_World?

>>534140465
All me

>>534067621
Has anyone found a use for skeletal army?
Protection against crossbows maybe? 25% doesn't seem worth the trouble. Its not going to be enough on its own, and anything else you do to mitigate crossbows is probably going to marginalize skeletal legion to the point you may as well not bother.
The rare sacreds with spears? Spears do so little damage and are usually on humans so no need. Fomorians have spears but I don't think 25% res is going to stop them from going full vlad tepes on you.

>>534142187
I thought it was 50%

>>534147071
Oh yeah I think you're right. I'm probably mixing up the pen modifier of pierce with the pen damage reduction of pen resist.

>>534142187
If it doesn't disease your army it would have seen more use, but as of now it's only usable on undead that's not full skelly. But that's all they need because they die the most to arrows and no shield

>>534074559
Was considering doing some goats.

>>534153153
go on....

>>534074559
it won't be long now...

>>534153153
Who's in the middle?

Life underneath the corresponds in many ways to that on dry land.

>>533874785
your some kind of sexy goat whore aren't you?

>>534079704
filthy pirate hooker

>>534164062
I dunno. An Arco girl maybe.

>>534165340
Underneath the what?

>>534153153
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6UqgjaBt4w&ab_channel=4nticake

any LA Agartha pros here who can give me a quick rundown on how to play this nation?
i like the theme

>>534171186
Make crossbows

>>534171186
Straightforward heavy infantry and mage support nation.

>>534171186
Recruit non stop Ktonian animators and get fat on resources

>>534171186
if you go for a bless, arcane command may be helpful to more easily lead your magic-being sacreds around
they have corpse stitchers, great for healing corporeal undead. May want to consider ensuring that you have the paths to summon tarts or wraith lords for the end game
twiceborn may be good
your mages have no nature magic paths, and a lot of your units have no poison resistance, may want to handle that somehow
plan and test expansion, and plan for how to avoid getting rushed and how to survive first war
shock damage is strong against blindfighters
blindfighters have lots of protection, but their attacks are weak
interesting national summons, some of them are sacred
alchemy is one way to get gold, can try diplomancy and trade to exploit alchemy further
their crossbows deal more damage than regular crossbows
many units have bad mapmove
getting well of misery would probably be good

>>534193618
poor access to astral magic for communions, and no air or nature magic, means that crossbows lose out on some of the missile fire buffs. But earth and fire missile buffs are still good

Is it better to spend resources and recruitment points both as much as possible (like buying a couple less cavalry and filling it with light infantry) or just to spam your "best" unit even if one or the other are not used fully?

>Muspelheim has cast eternal pyre
Lovely.

>mr.bones casts burden of time
>you get E.D
huh

>>534171186
LA Agartha is a very strong nation in an era filled with other very strong nations. I would identify your core national advantages and disadvantages as the following:

Advantages:
>Strong path variety and strength. You have access to f2, d2, e2, w2, and s1, which is pretty great for LA, and since you have d2 as a guaranteed for offcap mages, skeleton spam is trivial.
Recruit anywhere national sacred. Blindfighters are not an amazingly strong unit, but they are a strong core which can be easily given a lot of powerful blesses and make up the majority of your force. I'd recommend a strong rainbow and/or floating, which fixes most of the issues with the blindfighter chassis.
>Excellent, cost effective summons. Ktonian legion is a fairly cost effective spell made much more effective in Sloops, and allows you to recruit hordes of cheap undead in exhange for earth income. Theres even a national spell that buffs them. You also have access to Umbrals/Penumbrals, decent ethereal lifedrain units, and Tomb Oracles, a summonable holy 3 which gives you access to your bigger magic, is sacred, and can bless your blindfighter armies.
Strong potential for battlefield wipes. You have the death to spam rigor, and can also do a lot of work with Earthquake, in particular if you took floating on your blindfighters.
>Very cheap high damage crossbows. This is just overall good in LA.
A unique national endgame with Tartarians. Because almost all of your mages have corpse stitcher, you don't need to do anything in order to get "perfect" tartarians, provided you have access to either divine name or gift of reason.


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>>534193618
Storm flight?

>>534207770

Disadvantages:
>LA Agartha has a strong mage roster, but their best mages (Alchemists and Reanimators) are non sacred, meaning sacred resist blesses will struggle to keep your magecore alive once battlefield wipes roll out.
Outside of a bless, LA Agartha has difficulty surviving a lot of battlefield wipes.
>Godawful mobility, which is true of most humans but still quite punishing.
Extremely gem and income dependent. LA Agarthas units are not cheap, their best mages are again non sacred, and the spells they want to spam will run them a lot of gems. You want gemgens and Riches from Beneath badly.
>Lack of astral magic. While you have s1s, you are going to be behind other nations astrally. I'd recommend making golems by midgame to fix this.

Overall, there are several ways you could play them. I generally favor a rainbow bless, with a focus on making my blindfighters as resistant to battlefield evo as possible, and if sloops is enabled I will always be taking weightless on them, as it lets them ignore friendly earthquakes. Poison res is mandatory.
In the early game, expand with cave knights, and try to break into the surface ASAP as your units are better up there than against the nightmares that dwell beneath. Try to get Riches from Beneath if you can, as you need the income and resources quite badly.
Midgame armies will probably have to phase out many of your non sacred mages for sacred ones or twiceborned ones you aren't afraid to lose, and should be commanded by Tomb Oracles. Taking a god who can summon Relief casters in the midgame should be a priority so you can do that + rigor, and you need to go down conjuration, alteration, enchantment, and eventually construction, path wise. Spamming golems is a good choice for thugs, and that gets you astral as well.
Lategame, summon tarts, kit them with const 7 gear, and go hogwild.

>>534174207
>>534175152
>>534187910
>>534193618
>>534194494
>>534207770
>>534207989
thanks bros

>>534207989
>>LA Agartha has a strong mage roster, but their best mages (Alchemists and Reanimators) are non sacred, meaning sacred resist blesses will struggle to keep your magecore alive once battlefield wipes roll out.
dwarven hammers + shrouds?

>>534200197
sir i am not seeing how a doomstack of mushies is related to eternal pyre
can i have an explain?

>>534210610
might be a mod
>>534207938
you the op?

Is MA xibalba still weak as shit?

>>534210868
theres something to the thing since its the second time ive read mushies with eternal pyre
whats the tech

isnt muspelheim a massive meme since you have to microwave a province before you slam giants into it?
is that the meme? that you now have an oven on demand?

>>534207989
would sight vengeance be a funny meme on blindfighters? Even though it wouldn't help the mages, and the blindfighters would die to poison, evos and encumbrance?

>>534211936
could just fight in enemy dominion

>>534212894
>would sight vengeance be a funny meme on blindfighters?
Someone post the angel

>>534207989
>Overall, there are several ways you could play them. I generally favor a rainbow bless, with a focus on making my blindfighters as resistant to battlefield evo as possible, and if sloops is enabled I will always be taking weightless on them, as it lets them ignore friendly earthquakes. Poison res is mandatory.
>In the early game, expand with cave knights, and try to break into the surface ASAP as your units are better up there than against the nightmares that dwell beneath.
how do you survive a hellbless rush? Are cave knights really good enough for expansion?

>>534210353
Can work but pricey for a shitty d2 mage you want to spam the fuck out of.
>>534212894
Extremely funny.
>>534214102
Surviving a hellbless mostly comes down to being a cave nation and hoping one doesn't happen. There also aren't a ton of hellbless nations in LA. Cave knights are good for some expansions but cave indies are a nightmare. Generally blindfighters and cave knights do very well against surface indies, while crossbows do better vs stuff like cavemen or cynos.

Will we ever see an MA version of Fomoria?
Will we get another norse nation first?

>>534224095
How would that work?

New MA Game
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>30 provinces in year 1 with meme bless
Holy shit it actually worked in an MP game

W8ing warmly for a real steppe nation

okay, is there a counter to this horseshit?
they're just casting it on my stacks every turn as I push towards them (they have well of misery so all the gems in the world) and it's absolute bullshit that for 10 gems you can wipe out 5000g worth of units and mages with no counter

losing battles doesn't remotely phase me but this absolute horseshit is killing any enjoyment i had in this game
i'm truly about to ai out of frustration

>>534236257
It's an MR check bruh, your commanders and elite units shouldn't give a shit

>>534236257
Remote attacks and teleports is why the late game just turns into a turtle fest and praying the cataclysm horror throne-eating gacha goes your way

>>534236649
>he's a teleportlet

>>534236257
Gift of Health

Do orders issued on the same turn as going AI go through?
If I wanted to send another player that helped me earlier some items before going AI for example, would that go through if it's the same turn set to go AI?

>>534236257
At this point if they have well of misery you've already lost. But to counter plague just have disease healers or a few healing elixirs. You do have the N path and gems necessary right? Because soon ashen angel assassins and undead horseman armies will drop on you out of nowhere and you will understand pain

If I take over a nation as a popkill and someone retakes it 20 turns later is it still fucked from the popkill?

>>534246484
It has more to do if your dominion spread there than whoever owned the province, but generally yes the province turns into a desolate waste that nobody wants.

>>534233878
Teach me the ways.

>>534222671
the stupid thing is, sight vengeance ought to be strong against cavemen and cynos, they have poor mr. And decent against some hellblesses. Just too expensive, wrong paths, no evo or poison defenses

>>534222671
>Can work but pricey for a shitty d2 mage you want to spam the fuck out of.
forge of the ancients should make it cheaper, and should combine well with tarts, wraith lords and golems

>>534236649
I enjoy it. It feels like Real Life Fantasy Battles. Its like how WW1 devolved into artillery spam and WW2 was blitz attacks. Its just like real life.

>>533857669
>The most elite among us have been known to divine the outcome of a game by turn 2
If you can't guess who will win from the names of submitted pretenders alone, you have a long road ahead of you, junior.

>>534222671
how would an awake dracolich with enchanted blood and undying perform for expansion for la agartha? Cavemen would be able to damage it, and cynos might berserk against its fear

>>534269839
I don't think they really need an awake, especially because they are so reliant on having certain paths in the lategame. Blood could let them take poison res through Strong Blood though. You'd also want the dracolich to be capable of casting tartarian gate, which is pretty awful.

>>534269003
Yep. You just need to get forge of the ancients first.

STOP THE WHEEL

>>534035886
In as Ashod

I'm getting blown out by AI shinuyama in two games. I had two sieges that flopped. The first cause i sent linemen to try and clean out their archers and forgot to set my cavalry to attack rear and stalled out, the second because he had an aninimate pretender that i got down to a quarter health through its crazy high prot before running out of time and routing.

>>534284240
I should honestly just dom kill both of them. Its embaressing to lose to ai.

>>534273343
>I don't think they really need an awake, especially because they are so reliant on having certain paths in the lategame.
if the dracolich works against cave indies, it could help expansion, though it would require testing to see how good the dracolich really is against cave indies. Agartha is likely to start in caves, right? What happens if agartha starts far away from any entrance to the above? How do they expand? Kristoffer wrote that la agartha starts in caves if at all possible

>Blood could let them take poison res through Strong Blood though.
enchanted blood can kind of work as a poor man's poison resistance in some situations, and undying + enchanted blood is a good combination

>You'd also want the dracolich to be capable of casting tartarian gate, which is pretty awful.
it has a humanoid shape, capable of holding boosters, not as bad as it could be

>>534273343
>Yep. You just need to get forge of the ancients first.
which is not that bad, since agartha is an earth nation, and the discount on armors are primarily needed later on in the game

>>534284240
>>534284337
how many thugs did you have against the enemy pretender, that had
>no magic paths to avoid getting distracted by magic
>equipped with a bow or sling with enough ammunition for a good number of turns
>equipped with an armornegating weapon like eyecatcher or duskdagger
>equipped with winged shoes
>scripted to fire closest
spend all its ammo, then fly in and kill whatever is left

Jade lizards not having magical tattoos and 8 prot head protection is crazy how the fuck do you even make Sauro work if their sacred cav can get btfo by 7 gold milita archers. Not to mention 7 encumbrance so they can't even elf dodge before passing out and getting rekt by militia spear poking their eyes out.

>>534288519
I got a few horse archers to fire and keep distance from the front while I had my sacreds hold and attack rear in the back corner, seemed to work decently outside of the times my sacreds got stuck in enemy infantry

>>534288519
The lizard cav is only a bonus play if you have a blood tendie, which you already should, to get blood surge. You shouldn't be focusing on them to be your main force, rather and elite raiding party or commander snipers early. Your game plan is always a line of cataphracts in front, and a line of cav archers in the back, enveloping the enemy with sheer width of your line and attack rear. That shit just rapes commanders even with 5 bodyguards, with the exception of maybe giants, for which you have soothsayer soul slay com and skelespam and lance charge. When you have ench 5 it's just squads of 1-3 enaries running out raiding. End game is full blood economy to get vampires.
You can ask Kailasa in the earlier EA game where Muspel won the experience of having a line of lancers and horse archers with 0 mage support just rush towards your mages and completely decimate the army.

>>534290363
This can be a good strategy but sometimes the AI targets your commanders instead and they get got. Also attack rear sometimes targets the enemy commanders but also sometimes just smashes into the blob of infantry for some reason, I never figured out why that's the case except I assume when the infantry blob spawns they somehow spawn on the same square as commanders and get calculated as "rear".

>>534291757
Blood surge is good but I also thought about just doing 5x undying and enchanted blood then a stray arrow won't kill them at least.

>>534292326
It's only a 50/50 chance of hitting a mount with an arrow, and it's more of a chance to actually hit the head. Undying doesn't work well enough because as you said it, the lizards are squishy. It's not like the KoTC horses that has enough protection that they can survive chip damage. Better off focusing on what is good rather than just trying to fix an unfixable flaw.

>>534284240
What nation

>>534292812
One as MA Man and another as MA Tien-Chi

>>534292795
Ye you right on the unit part but you could give the manflayer/jade lizard commander a ton more longevity by simply giving them horse barding. Then the undying can actually present a certain value.

My problem with blood surge is that for me it's a "win more" bless but if the chassis dies so easily then it's not worth putting on, undying has a universal utility, if nothing else your sacred take a few more hits so something more useful can survive.

Whats your mage game with Nidavangir? Seems like their bread and butter mages are pretty much useless.. maybe water bracelets to cast falling frost..

>>534294391
Bread and butter mages? You mean the Apprentice guys or the Wolf/Bear clan ones?
The apprentice guys are sitesearcher/item crafters/lab temples builders.
Then when you have enough of those you make a few wolf clan and spam bear clan.

>>534294741
i mean the bear and wolf mages. what am i supposed to do with water 2 nature 1 / earth 1 nature 2?

>>534295208
Spam buffs?

>>534296365
like what? barkskin?

>>534296497
W2 is quickness. N2 is barkskin enlarge

>>534296497
Moss

>>534296497
gaia buffs

>>534295208
quickness (this one especially, you have a ton of troops that love quickness)
rain
group barkskin
blood poisoning
gem---earth power--->earth buffs
mace -->strength of gaia--->Howl, wooden warriors, regen

Just spam your easily massable troops and then buff them, whats not to like?

>>534301769
so what do you do with their crow mages?

>>534301895
what don't you do with them? they are stealthy magic phase moving dudes with all the fun paths, great for twiceborn

you don't really need advice for what to do with access to four paths, communions, sabbaths, magic phase movement, secondshape and stealth do you? Do you anon??????

Hey I accidently signed up with Ashod and Nvigger, please get rid of ashod

>>534304110
I'm just trying to make conversation.

>>534301895
Communions

>>534304294
Oops I got rid of both, rejoin as Nvigger

Ermor do your cracked turn

Hand of Death

>>534308409
Skeletal Body, your move.

>>534308623
Errr....Paths of the Dead outta here

>>534311276
Utterdark. Kiss my taint.

>>534311542
Dispel +50

>>534311791
9999 skeletons

Do luck scales affect disease change from C'tis swamps?

>>534313345
doubt it

>>534236257
>take down well of misery, ideally right after it goes up
>use higher MR troops
>use glamour items to hide where your army actually is so they target the wrong province
>split your army instead of walking as an easily nukeable doomstack
>use your own overpowered bullshit against them
>summon something that's disease resistant or disease healing
>teleport your army straight to where it needs to go
>build disease resistant thugs to wreck his land instead
>cast dome protection spells as you go to cover your advance
>throw in assassins to kill mages

>>534236257
Disease is a nothingburger

>>534322110
does it hinder regeneration directly or indirectly in the most recent patch of dom6?

>>534325454
directly, it actually sets the max hp to whatever lower value instead of just lowering 'current' hp.
>>534319018
I've learned my lesson already. Despite crushing it in every battles, we've hit turn 60 and I had no late game plan/counter to this stuff ready because I'm a new player and got knowledge checked.
The devs favorite paths are clearly Death and Astral. I didn't have Astral, and only weak Death, so I lost. Wont make this mistake again. because I'm not playing this shit ass game anymore
First 50 turns had me feeling this was GOTY every year, but in the last three I've gone full 180 and never want to touch it again.

um um um
how 2 deal with undead?

>>534330536
They already died once, can't be that hard to kill them again.

>>534330536
Priests up the wazoo

>>534326474
oh go cry home to mamma.

>>534330536
spec into the calcium deficiency school of magical arts.

how do invulnerability/resistance work with protection?

How in the 9 hells do you deal with R'lyeh dream assasinations?

>>534335719
don't fall asleep

>>534335582
Invulnerability works the same way as natural protection but doesn't stack with natural protection. It does stack with armor but had the same diminishing returns.

Resistance is applied after protection.

>>534326474
>I've learned my lesson already. Despite crushing it in every battles, we've hit turn 60 and I had no late game plan/counter
You don't need a late game plan if you win before late game.

>singleplayer Niefelheim
>16 gygjas recruited
>1 has nature magic
>N1
>0 nature sites discovered
>1 nature gem in my pool

STARTS TOMORROW
STARTS TOMORROW
https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/660#status
https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/660#status
If you have any ideas for interesting indie armies tell me.

>>534338620
Honestly, setting up some hilarious shit like banes with the standard thug gear (fear helmet, vine shield, frost brand) would be great traps

Am I overlooking something or is it basically fucking impossible to find your bardings after you put them on? They show up on neither the commander icons on the strategic map nor in the F1 screen.

>>534350325
Just don't put them on mounts willy nilly

>>534245104
Does disease healer even help when even if you cure the disease you're going to be left with a gorillion afflictions?

MAximum pain abysia are you okay with starting in a cave?

>>534338620
Make some of the funny dudes like the not-Fellowship like in CoE

>>534338620
Just a monolith, nothing else

>>534361482
How about 2 with max astral and 30 astral gems each

>>534326474
KEK
already filtered little chud?
don't let the door hit you on the way out faggot

>>534326474
>I've learned my lesson already. Despite crushing it in every battles, we've hit turn 60 and I had no late game plan/counter to this stuff ready because I'm a new player and got knowledge checked.
>First 50 turns had me feeling this was GOTY every year, but in the last three I've gone full 180 and never want to touch it again.
Welcome to Dominions, see you next game

I ran into something interesting, I have a whole group of bats that should not be able to be stealthed, but they are, and they cannot attack the province that they are hiding in, but they can search it for magic sites. In the meanwhile they can still move out of the area but I've just left them there for a few turns to see if anything else strange happens

>>534365271
It's a vast province, means you can't take it

>>534338620
Just make every third province that Lamia Queen event indie army

>>534365271
You can't scout or capture vast provinces. I don't know if Eyes of God can reveal what's in them though, probably not because I doubt the game has a way to display multiple factions inhabiting the same province.

>>534365538
>>534367059
Thank you for your insight into this matter

What's the point of having a skill that specifically dunks on astrallets? It just fucks up nations that only have 1 astral access.

>>534368447
S is one of the best low paths in the game because of communions, and magic duel is to compensate for that.

>>534368447
Because some wizard thought that up to dunk on astrallets and it caught on

>>534369086
Also body ethereal for astrallet thugs.

Does anything stop regeneration?

>>534371028
False Damage cannot be regenerated.

>>534326474
you can consider some lategame magic as similar to nuclear weapons in how much they change things
consider for instance the lost land ritual

>>534336191
>Resistance is applied after protection.
before or after?
https://illwiki.com/dom5/damage-type

dom5, though

>>534371028
Disease

>>534374147
No, disease only stops healing outside of combat
in fact, getting your diseased mages in a fight and applying regen to them is a way to keep them alive longer

>>534374671
it no longer functions like that, disease now sets your max hp, not just current hp
>>534372827
it's hard to justify a 6th level 10 gem thaum spell being as deadly as a 9th level 100 gem evo (and they don't even have to be on the coast).
are there any other spells like leprosy that just nuke half an army for so cheap?

>>534375161
Damn illfrauds changing game mechanics just to make me look stupid

>>534236257
stop playing humie nations

>>534375161
well

disease doesn't affect undead, demons and inanimates. Units that have recuperation and aren't old don't care. Units with 100% disease resistance like fay footmen don't care
pangaea for instance will just not care outside of indies and hamadryads

affliction resistance and regeneration?

sacreds or battle-saint-shrouded units with recuperation bless that are not old, will not care

sacreds with halfdead or strong blood bless effects will be affected much less often

disease doesn't generally kill instantly, giving the player time to cure the important commanders or move items and gems off them. Curing can be done with items, sites, with fire/nature/blood rituals, with some nation's commanders and with some indie mages. Twiceborn can be cast before death

there is an mr roll to resist it

it only affects the army, not the province population

gift of health makes it ignorable inside dominion

diseased units can still be used for some time before they die, for instance on a suicide mission

some nations are more vulnerable to disease than others, plan accordingly or adapt as you go

I GOT THE FUCKING PARROT YES

>>534387246
>nation's
that shoulf be nations'

>>534387246
>nation's
that should be nations'

I tried the Lanka strat in the OP like 5 times in SP and the Palankashas just take too much attrition

>>534390431
>Didn't go double Stormflight

>>534387293
I fucked up my move orders
it should have had air shield and regen on it too

very sad

I want to rejoin the glownode server someone help me

>>534387869
>nations'
that should be nactions'

Best I can do is 12 provinces by turn 12.

Morrigan harem

I sometimes fear crannog ys will never appear...

>>534207938
>>534391594
Little miss Lanka, are you still obsessed? You really need to seek help for your schizophrenic obsession, it isn't good for you.

best nation to goon to?

>>534400684
Abysia.

>>534399838
Have you bought the game yet or are you still handing out advice and making build guides based on wiki/inspector info and theorycrafting?

>>534393717
ask Amuys

>>534369086
Retarded illwonter illogic

because nations with spammable S1's should be able to just let nations like LA Man not play, to balance communions

If you need to punish mages for having S1 then do something like how fire mages get old faster for no good reason. Give horrormarks to them or something.

>>534404842
Little miss obsessed, you are still making assumptions. Why are you so obsessed? Did you forget to take your medication?
Imagine going for scales Lanka.

The Lanka stormflight boys are back in town!

>>534407373
>The Lanka stormflight boys are back in town!
Imagine being this obsessed. Have you taken your medication yet, little miss obsessed?

I haven't been in this thread for about a year but it's nice to know that the resident schizos are still going at it

>>534408778
Welcome back little miss obsessed

>>534409008
>Pants?
Shit.
>Demons?
Summoning.
>Little Miss?
Obsessed.

Yep, it's storming time

Redpill me on communions, I almost never use them.
How do you make sure your little guys don't get drained to death? Especially if they're just something like S1 and don't have any other path.

>>534338620
joined as pythium

>>534412086
stack as much reinvig as possible
don't use more communion masters than you need
and accept that comm slaves will die sometimes, especially in janky multi path (non-sacred) communions, like Arco mystics

>>534408778
>>534409008
>>534411258
Little miss obsessed, why do you keep trolling the thread with your obsession? Take your medication already.