Spoils of War - Edition

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>Official site
https://warthunder.com/

>Fan created content
https://live.warthunder.com/

>Wiki with info on tech trees, weapon systems and game mechanics
https://wiki.warthunder.com/Main_Page

>Tech trees with foldered vehicles
https://static.warthunder.com/upload/files/widgets/trees_en.html

>Old forums archive:
https://pastebin.com/EyMhsLAJ

>Guides to Air and Ground battles + MEC
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=742852313
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hgHbWlSjefFhCqOUeGpoKQntdQDPG32X7XQo9EqDF00
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/438251-strategic-tips-for-ground-battle-maps-36-maps-90-videos-as-of-28august2020

>Guides on missiles, radars, radar warning receivers
https://youtu.be/Weghk_2DpfA
https://youtu.be/_tQ6JzPWEFU
https://youtu.be/DOGazUgUdsQ
https://youtu.be/wAtTS8xSYEc

>Guides on how to evade missiles and survive top tier:
https://youtu.be/AsmGiyODPuM
https://youtu.be/vUJJ94NwH_g
https://youtu.be/NbKcAdLoWDk

>Guided weapons statistics
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SsOpw9LAKOs0V5FBnv1VqAlu3OssmX7DJaaVAUREw78

>What tanks have thermals and their generations
https://thunderview.net/thermals/

>Win rates, player stats, etc
https://statshark.net/

>Someone sending you runes?
https://translate.yandex.com/ocr

>Dank Bants
https://files.catbox.moe/iufhcc.txt

Reminder: finders keepers

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxexsRp59xM

Ground tree when

>>533549801
retarded chang

Finland should be a standalone nation.

>>533551383
true

i have never once seen a single good post with a slop archive pic attached to it

>>533551520
kek

>>533551523
Very good discussion about War Thunder. Thank you

>>533551523
truke
crush gachaniggers in a trash compactor

>>533549801
based
>>533551523
double based

what did anton mean by this

>>533553408
russian bia...

>>533549652 (OP)
someone buy me rafale or eurofighter

when T-14 come out everyone will scream Russian Bias again

>>533553902
not their fault every other country stopped making tanks

Should of aim better.

>>533553408
>autoloader takes up half of the turret
At that point you should just use a human loader, fire rate isn't extremely important for a tank anyways.

>>533554662
>human loader
>with those ergos
retarded take

>>533554662
Fire rate isn't why Soviet tanks use autoloaders, it's a key part of the general design philosophy that called for a small profile yet strong frontal armor. Getting rid of the 4th crew member and building the tank around the carousel autoloader makes it significantly smaller and lighter overall.

pozzia is THE most handheld, least skilled nation in war thunder

>lighter
yet they somehow have dogshit traction and can't go the same places a leo 2 can

>>533555529
doesn't seem so

i4w

>>533556435
Hard skip, it's very very dogshit.

>>533556481
wow
that is not what I wanted to hear

>>533556187
#1 japan
#2 italy
#3 sweden
i was not expecting that

>>533556435
Boring shit

>>533556187
So the reality is the exact opposite of that one pic with the nig3 mutt going "YOU ARE HANDHELD" vs everyone else huh?

>>533556187
They are actually just that bad. Months of braindead kh38 spamming has atrophied their brains so thoroughly they no longer have the ability to play the game normally.

>>533556435
absolute horrendous turnrate with absolute horrendous missiles

>>533556717
>>533557006
surely there's something positive to be said about it

>>533557042
There really isn't. The good Rank VI American planes are the F8U-2 (gigahandheld) and AV-8C (gets worse the better your opponent is at the game but has some very strong early game presence).

>>533556638
>>533556826
I mean... it's quite LITERALLY this picrel we are looking at
>>533556953
my favourite headcanon is that the IRIS-T actually managed to counter the overwhemingly oppression of the Kh-38. I mean, the numbers are there... is just that correlation isn't always causation.
But still the IRIS-T stats are crazy, literally double the effectiveness of the PANTSIR.

>>533557198
oh so the ones I have to spend the next week grinding out are the only good ones D:
jdimsa

>>533557042
well if you get your nose up at the right time (rare), your 20mm is pretty nice to use against jets in its br

>>533557042
it was very broken when it was introduced 7 (seven) years ago

>>533557042
>>533557198
Yeah the F8U-2 is retardedly strong. Don't sleep on the F104A\F104C tho, you are almost literally untouchable if you play them right

>mudsuckers barely above 45%, 2% below mutts
>not even in the top 3 in the air
>60% WR for Soyuz

>>533557287
You'll want to have the Naval fighter tree researched anyway so it shouldn't be a detour to a line you wouldn't have touched otherwise or anything. The attacker line is whatever, the AV-8B is very funny but if there's a line you shout skip, it's that one now that the Hornets didn't end up in it.

>>533557263
>my favourite headcanon is that the IRIS-T actually managed to counter the overwhemingly oppression of the Kh-38
IRIS-T does nothing to the airfield KH-38 cruise missile spammers but it absolutely butchers 10 IQ CASgroids who cannot fathom the concept of flying defensively. Which is like 90% of pilots in ground RB, hence the sudden winrate spike on 12.0 germutts.

>turn off engine
>use batteries to move through the map silently
extreme chinese kino when?

>>533558068
so chinks discovered Future Weapons tv show 20 years later?

>>533558068
>>use batteries to move through the map silently
that would make people mald

The US is never getting its kino prototypes

>>533558068
>>533558609
>>533558638
This was inevitable, China has the EV advantage

>>533557458
Too bad you can only kill enemies when they are afk tho

>>533558952
why even live

ez

>>533558068
top speed?

>>533560606
Speculated to be 120km/h both forwards and reverse because it doesn't have a transmission

gimme your expectations for next patch
>realistic
>cope
>god i really hope they wont

>>533560860
would be op as fuck

Someone get the raid out, we got a bug infestation

>>533560921
Anti-radar missiles practically guaranteed, mudsuckers got uppity with almost being able to match casGODS via the iris-t and must be put back in the place.

>ariete gets dm53 at 11.7

>533561492
>*shoot an iris at your missile*
>*shoot an iris at you*
simple ass

Tell me, /wtg/, how do we fix the problem where faster aircraft runs away from slower aircraft and doesn't fight

>>533561635
either headon him or nosedive into the ground to deny kill

>>533561635
>the problem
what problem?

>>533561635

>>533561936
>>533562052
I want to end the game and win

>>533561630
>*shoot an iris at your missile*
thankfully the snail keeps things balanced, iris-t has like 10-20% accuracy against missiles in-game )))))))

>>533561307
>specurated to haveuh ten trirrionty birrion km/h forward backward up anduh down

>>533556638
The TKX and Type 10 are the best MBTs in the game

Looks like Chinese Gods are causing a little bit of seethe

>>533561635
It's a strategy and also the main reason why the Do 335 is any good in air RB.

>>533297015

>>533560921
>Stalingrad
>KGV
>umpteenth sloppy pasta subtree they abandon the minute the patch goes live

>shoot british tank in the side
>explodey
>shoot american tank in the side
>explodey
>shoot german tank in the side
>explodey
>shoot russian tank in the side
>nothing happeney
??

>>533562584
>run away from enemis until they get bored and rtb
Germany would have won ww2 with this strategy

>>533562772
diesel

alright /wtg/ what's your favorite
>tank
>plane
>helicopter
shitps need not apply

>>533549652 (OP)

>>533563402
WZ1000(E) LCT
J-10A
Z-10ME

>>533562772
this whole game is power fantasy copium to try and forget all the footage of t-80/90 turrets rocketing into the stratosphere

>>533563402
>begleitpanzer
>I don't fly pl*nes
>Tiger UHT

>>533563628
Just like every Challenger 2 so far.

>>533563581
>wz1000
why not the vt-4?

>>533563402
>challie mk.2
>10.3 harrier
>bong hind

>>533564135
WZ1000 has a 14.5mm machine gun that you can use to nigger people out and destroy their barrels

i am stumped at notching
>go sideways perfectly
>chaff
>pull up or down to change direction for iog
>missile still will pull in and rape my ass
i do what you need to do and it works like 3/15 times

>>533563402
MTCA
Mk.100 Sea Hawk (actually prefer the Mk.50 but im not paying for a plane i already own)
Mogador

>>533564446
You don't notch and go cold, that's your problem

>>533564446
notch and make a wide circle anon
really depends on the type of missile shot at you and distance too, if it's a MICA within 16km, you're probably just dead

>>533564592
i never said i go cold
i said i change direction to stay out of IOG
as in, go up or down, not toward or away

>>533564696
I know, you chaff and notch but don't go cold

luv nippon
luv T-2

>>533564836
going cold should be optional unless they changed how notching works later on stealthily
but i guess i'll just do that then
gay nigger game changing how shit works whenever it feels like

>>533565165
what br are we talking about anon and what's being shot at you, distance, height, etc
it matters greatly

>>533565402
we are talking amraams, i used to be able to notch them just like sparrows, sideways, chaff, go up or down
we are talking really anywhere above i would say 1km but have some freak moments below 1km

>>533563402
Type 10
AH-64DJP
Mitsubishi F-2

>slop
>slop
>slop

>>533565572
if someone is holding datalink on you and you're just notching and not going cold, you are going to die 90% of the time, it also really matters how far they shot at you from and what their height relative to you is, if they're within 20km and have an altitude of ~5km on you and you're not immediately going cold you're also probably going to die. also if you aren't multipathing that doesn't help either

malding

>>533554662
It's been consistently shown in the ukraine war that autoloaders have been a significant advantage during tank combat when under fire, especially the T-80's faster autoloader on the ukranian side during engagements with t72s and t90s.

>>533565921
alright noted, things have changed more than i could adapt to and understand it seems

>>533565165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f_W6ygS9es
You might not be notching the right angle, you need to notch the missile seeker not the enemy plane.

>>533566154
i was notching for the missile seeker
but the other anon was telling me its the plane holding for data link possibly
anyways i will watch this
try and see what happens
and cry here again if it doesnt work

>>533566332
could be any number of things, generally if I notice a planes radar is pointed at me I assume they are trying to hold datalink and fire something back at them just to see if I can break their lock, also flying at 1km even at notch may as well be flying straight at them against most missiles, if you're going to fly low fly multipath height

>>533553408
you tell me
https://files.catbox.moe/9jf3bo.mp4

>>533566154
>>533566332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d8wpXF30xA
this is also a good resource

>>533566651
working as intended))

>>533563628
i genuinely wish they were as OP as you guys said so my russian GRB MBT experience wasn't so miserable

>>533567160
Hold W and shoot Abrams in the turret ring what's so hard about that?

>>533567270
it's more leos than anything that are the problem, really. Abrams are great, luckily the players generally suck.

Abrams' turret ring weakpoint gets largely nullified by realistic gunsights.

>>533566738
>fox 3 gameplay takes no ski-

>>533567431
leos are xbox hueg, with the turret ring model you shoot them anywhere and they either die or get neutered

>>533562437
leo2a7v m1a2 and strv-122 apparently don't exist to you

>>533568815
it's not that it doesn't, it's just an entirely different skillset from energy fighting

>>533553408
spall liner/10

I am unhappy with the EBR

God morgon -i mean Guten morgen fellow Tiger 2 (P)

>>533570849
you should be unhappy with your brain desuyo

>>533567431
just aim for the LFP and they get crippled/die

kek
it's mind boggling how they don't notice i'm not one of them

>>533570849
Good fucking job anon.
Gaijin will see this and send it to 5.7 now.

>default holiday needful is 3k score now
What was the issue with 3x70% activity?

Which am I buying boys?

>>533573892
sex.........

>>533573923
type-69

>>533562437
Why would strictly worse Leclercs be the best MBTs in the game?

>>533573923
type 69 is a t55a with better engine, better gun handling, additional armor to fight off heatfs niggers and laser rangefinder at the same br

>>533573923
69

how long till the bong/murican triple vehicle packs go on same?

>>533579776
Maybe for VE day next year

>>533579776
last 2 patches are exempt from sales, so end of december at the earliest
unless they do what they did last year and have a 3 patch rule for the christmas sale

>>533572845
what's the strat?
do you just drive into enemy territory and blend in between them?

>>533580367
i just drive to the middle of the map and face my team

>>533557263
>But still the IRIS-T stats are crazy, literally double the effectiveness of the PANTSIR.
Meanwhile the new Japan SAM is sitting at a negative KD lmao

>f18 barely heavier than f16 with two engines
>can barely hold mach at sea level
why

>>533581810
this thing is so buggy it will just put you on reload cooldown for no reason and the reload takes like 10 business days

Is missile quality more important than the potential to dog fight on late game fighters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eRFinhHQlg
You will watch this two hour documentary about the Starfighter, and then play F-104 in game.

>>533582627
>Manchester
hell yeah
>premium
fuck off

>>533582627
strv-123 is not even in fucking service.....

>>533582627
>another premium leopard 2
yeah i believe it

>>533582992
Strv 123B is already in Sweden

>>533582627
>F-106
don't give me hope

>>533582627
stingray would be fun

>>533582627
>austro-hungarian battleship for germany
>austro-hungarian battleship for italy
hmmm

>>533582627
>challenger marksmen
so another marksmen but with missiles?

>>533565989
except ukrainian t80 never engaged a t72/t90 or lost every engagement, t80s are rare in ukrainian service

>>533583251
>12 x 12in guns

its gonna suck, but it might be better than what the germans have at the moment

>>533582627
>USS Virginia (BB-13)
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK ARE THOSE TURRETS

>>533582627
too kino for snore blunder

>>533583606
if it's anything like the real Tegetthoffs it's going to explode violently the moment someone looks at it wrong

>>533582627
>yatagan
??? as in t-84 yatagan?

>>533583751
predread era was an interesting time

>>533583153
wrong

>>533584318
It is in Sweden. Strv 123B is 2A8

>>533583560
>x tank has never engaged y tank or has lost ever engagement
ok retard

>>533584452
no it's not you vantablack gorillanigger

>>533584592
Sweden as country in the real world you cocksucker. I bet you can suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

>>533582627
>swigpigs get 3x the previous best tank in the game + the new best tank in the game
gluttons

>>533584691
nice job moving the goalposts you cocksucking faggot, go back to shoving rocks up your ass

>>533584043
copestal barge that makes Marne look like a time travelling marvel of modernity

>>533584834
Whatever you say negroe ass eater

>malaysian hawk not in the bong tree
calling fake and gay

>>533584013
sums up my time playing naval pretty well

>>533582627
>seeadler

What did they mean by this

Also j350 will be good (i hope)

>>533582627
>swiggers get the best leopards in the game and are about to get the best leopard in the world
not gluttons BTW
swemalia suffers btw

every time a swede kills me, i pay mossad to send 10 more browns into sweden

>>533585019
>Also j350 will be good (i hope)
Austrian Drakens did not get chaff, flares, RWR or missiles until 1992
this specifically says 1988
you're getting abyssmal dogshit

>>533584043
Framée class, stupid.
>>>/x/

>>533585307
>9Js in 1992
holy fucking shit my sides

>>533585425
>shi(t)p(is)s

>>533585425
that is actually sad

>>533585019
Nah nigga you're getting a guns only j35

>>533585479
Welcome to the german air tree

>>533583153
it's literally not, fucking KILL YOURSELF NIGGER

>>533586181
Yes it is

when

>>533582627
>>533506715
grim ass update if true

>>533586297
fucking die already

>>533586434
It is in Sweden

>>533575986
>4s autoloader
>better power to weight ratio
>faster reverse
>type 10 round is just a slightly worse m829A2
>gen 3 thermals
>controllable suspension
>non-coax .50 cal

>>533586853
also better armor

>>533586853
Why can't france make a good tank? It's been 30 years now since the Leclerc and it's barely better than the Type 90, let alone the Type 10
Very humiliating to think that the nation that invented the modern day tank got beaten by a nation that couldn't even make a tank 70 years ago

I love my fat wife so much

>>533587818
>tfw still stuck at 9.7 arb
m-maybe in December I'll be able to enjoy her too anon ;_;

>>533587818
her belly doesn't have enough flanker parts in it

>>533587804
Type 90 and Type 10 were designed by General Electric

Man who run behind car get exhausted
Man who run in front of car get tired

>>533589670
thanks dad

>climb to 10,000 meters
>lock some targets 30-50 km away
>shoot off all my spamraams
>turn around and start launching chaff
>either die to a missile that just wouldn't notch or get off me or return to base to rearm and miss the rest of the match or maybe pick of a straggler or die as I'm taking off
is this the top tier experience?

Why did the Japs not put slats on their F-4's????

>>533592231
They were too expensive.

>>533583751
This was in regards to a class a few years older with a similar arrangement, but the USN hadn’t really figured out what the fuck it was doing yet and wouldn’t for about another decade give or take

>>533582627
>To62 (premium)
>Laziest shittiest premium possible
I call real

There is literally nothing in this game more satisfying than launching a Spike LR at some Ka50 sat on a ridge 8km away and just waiting for the chat spergout coming in 2 minutes.

>>533582627
>A6M1
will be at 3.7 calling it now

>>533582627
>samp-t for italy
>4th (fourth) 35mm oerlikon for britain
seems pretty much confirmed real

>>533582627
modernslop overdose

>>533594953
>XP-46
what the fuck is that? some kind of proto P-47?

>>533582627
>t-45 Goshawk
>Hawk-66
>Hawk T-1a
>Hawk 108
>Hawk-51
Seriously what could Anton fucking possibly mean by this?

Is there a way to turn of this card from appearing when you die? im tired of seeing some fucking female avatar faggot everytime i die

should i play air realistic battles or simulation battles? simulation battles interest me the most but i feel like a toddler with my mouse and keyboard

>It's another episode of dropping a bomb directly on top of a krokniggermobile and their tracks and barrel conveniently eat the explosion that realistically would turn the crew to paste if the entire tank somehow survived being blown to bits
It's hilariously obvious how over performing slavshit armor is in this game. In any other tech tree if a bomb of any size lands directly onto or next to a vehicle it's a guaranteed death, but in slavshit they always get away with blatant bullshit survivability. When I play the krokmobiles I never worry about being bombed because 99% of the time it shrugs off everything outside of the massive meme bombs, but if I'm in anything else anymore I just J out cause I already know I'm dead anyways unless I'm in a tiger which have similar levels of volumetric fuckery armor the slavs get but just a bit worse.

>>533597701
nvm i tried to queue for sim but they seem dead

>>533598350
in the events and tournaments screen under air sim battles click the room list button on the bottom left to see available lobbies and join directly

>>533595609
tuah

>>533573923
I have the relatively rare china No.545 T-62. It's really good in It's br and downtiers. You sometimes get uptiers facing t72 m1s, but I find these t72s easy to deal with. I grind all the way to the ZtZ99A and Tor m1.

>>533595184
it looks like the missing link between the p40 and the p51

>>533598574
oh i see thank you

>>533598992
I remember the shitstorm when it was added. Imagine losing a war and a tank to chinks.

I have more fun with the T-80 Line than the T-72 line desu.

maybe im not good enough for air battles

I like Ground Air Battles. A mix of Sim and ARB with dumb CAS being target practice.

i hate my stupid fat whale wife

What's the point of Top Tier Helis? They get down by Plane Chads and more advanced SPAA like the IRIS T or CLAWS.

>>533582627
>no magister
>no T-4
ANTOOOOOOON

>>533600814
>Sprengbombe

>>533600846
Trolling other hovercucks if you can survive spaa missile spam and manage to sneak behind their helipads

>>533582627
>Aermacchi MB-339
KINO
They were just flying above my head literally 10 minutes ago
Imagine if they really give it the magic 2

>>533582627
>Ka-52 Katran
With or without the Kh-35U cruise missles? What do you think? 260km range btw

is there a working list of carrier landing capable aircraft?

i had to learn the hard way the landing hook on the f-5e is just for show :(

>>533607524
But anon, it does work

>>533608389
maybe i did the approach from the wrong end of the ship because i made two passes on the deck at what should have been a low enough speed without completely stalling out for a recovery and i'm pretty sure that usually works in this game

dunno, can't get one to spawn in on test drive to practice because its not a naval aircraft either

>>533609052
Yeah probably something like that. I was searching for an aircraft carrier in the game as well to be 100% sure but it seems i cannot find one. But i found proof
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/yxwbw5/quirk_of_the_f5e

Am I being stupid by trying to learn this game with full controls with mouse and keyboard?

>>533610749
I tried but the best i managed was airfield-bombing in the F-4 phantom when the rocket gave you 3k mission score i one pass. Never bothered again, but there were some anons here that mastered it and it's possible

>>533610749
In AB/RB? Yes, anything besides mouse aim is a gigantic disadvantage. In SB? No, unlike DCS and the like, this game is fully playable without a HOTAS. https://github.com/ShartygeeAnon/WarThunderControlSchemes/blob/main/Controls_Sim.blk is a good starting point if you don't want to figure out a bunch of pretty obscure stuff the hard way.

>>533610935
I see, i've been trying it a bit in RB but I'm having a hard time which is understandable and it's also probably the worst place to learn it, I am stubborn though

>>533610978
My issue with mouse aim in RB was that I'm more use to the inverted up and down and for the life of me could not find the setting to change that that, my intention was to play sim battles but maybe I was a bit too ambitious for that, especially when I'm not deep in the tech tree

>>533611543
Nevermind I'm an idiot I found the invert setting

in it?

will you redeem?

so the hornet is shit at turnfighting without immediately bleeding all your speed in one turn right, do you just go straight vertical instead? no clue what I should be doing desu

>>533612049
goddamn thanks anon i almost forgot today starts the second week. Yeah i'll redeem, this time camos aren't utterly shit (The F-14 one kinda is)
Picrel is today right?

>>533611762
getting raped because of what you wear

The last leak from the ONLY reliable leaker is from June 6th btw

>>533613336
honestly the leak we just had is very very credible

>>533614313
Why? Because it has the trooncord layout and random vehicles?

Okay, I did a simulation battle and I see why I'm better off learning here, wish me luck

>>533614548
Lots of copypasta and similiar vehicles (T-45, Hawk T.1, BAe Hawk 108, BAe Hawk 66 2x MB-339, BAe Hawk 51)
Some top tier copypaste slop for both ground (M1A2 SEPV2, strv123) and air (J-10B, MiG-21-2000, IAI Nammer)
Arguably powercreeping IFV (Marder2, BMPT-72.
The promised AA for italy (SAMP-T, strange that france doesn't get it tho)
A couple of HE donkey guns nobody cares about but will be fun (Palmaria 155, Chatillon 155). The evergreen interesting (if premium) or worthless (if not premium) sub-tree vehicles, the couple of token helicopters and the always present uninteresting shi(t)ps.

If this is not real, whoever made this up really made his homework because this is the literal standard gaijin update for the last 5 years.

give me CBUs NOW anton

>>533615364
>>533614548
Oh and we must not forget the literal smoking gun, the premium prototype object (TO-62) for the unlimited wallet warrior deluxe 8.3\8.7 USSR lineup

>>533587818

>>533615771
holy shit

>>533616496
i don't condone these kind of pictures, me posting these is just a perfomative act to support the OP of this (>>533587818)

lolIQ
there is event on come on

>>533615578
>>533615364
I would be extremely mad if the best draken variant ends up in the fucking german tech tree.

I mean sure I have the entire german air tree researched so getting it is no biggie but I want it for sweden because they need better stuff to make their air tree more appealing to research and play.

F-4N phantom II as a squadron vehicle makes me scratch my head though.

>>533551383
FPBP

>end the match with a nuke in 7:46
>88% activity
I really need to see A*ton getting executed in public

We're going to 90% winrate with this one nippons.
The point and click tank is soon ours

>>533619497
Germany has a history of receiving the best version of something when it's first introduced, like the MiG-23 when it was released, the MiG-29, or more recently, the newly released F/A-18C. So this wouldn't be the first time.

As for the F-4N, I understand where you're coming from. The US, Italy, Israel, and France are basically the only tech trees still missing a dedicated "fighter" squadron vehicle. Considering how many F-4 variants exist, it's very likely that one of them will eventually be added as a squadron or event vehicle for the US.

Honestly, I thought a variant of the F-14 would be added as a squadron vehicle before anything else for the US to match the Su-33. I guess I was off by one number, assuming the leaks are real, of course.

>>533582627
>F-4N
>F-4B (read: F-4C) but with F-4S slats and HMD
Fucking why? It's such a hilariously terrible vehicle it's not even funny, I'm not even sure it gets countermeasures since all the info I could find is limited to the slats, HMD, smokeless engines (same thrust and everything as on the F-4B, just with a filter) and shit that isn't relevant to the game.

>>533620656
Probably you hit the nail on the head. One of the worse if not the worse F-4 variants is released... as a totally skippable event vehicle.
I honestly am a fan of "worthless" vehicles released as squadron vehicles, not cluttering the TT and not being total commercial failures as premium vehicles\packs

>>533621295
But it's apparently a squadron vehicle. Whereas terrible event vehicles have the massive upside of making their event easily skippable, terrible squadron vehicles kinda don't HAVE an upside - they're just a waste of time, effort and that nation's vehicle type/class/BR permutation.

>>533582627
>Marder 2
for what fucking purpose

>>533621724
50mm autocannon

>>533621724
I don't even know where they would put it in the tree at this point.

>>533606062
It's an anti-ship missile so it would be useless just like the tornado's kormoran.

>Ka-52K turns out to be a squadron vehicle
>gets the LDIRCM magical force field
>IRIS-T becomes extinct in lobbies with Russia on the opposing side
))))))))))

Rocket pods working as makeshift flares is a fucking lie

>>533623846
What rockets are you using? The smaller ones aren't super consistent from rear aspect if you only fire a few at a time. You want either huge rockets (Zunis, S-13s, etc) or burst of smaller ones (Hydras, S-5s, S-8s), or "flare" from front aspect if it's AIM-9Ls/R-60Ms on undertiered attackers you're having trouble with.

>>533624089
This is the F105D so the FFAR mighty mouse. I got told to use them against 20G missiles that get slung at me from every other angle but even if i pre-empt it firing them every second they don't help.

>Spitfire intercepting German V-1 flying bomb over the channel, July 1944, colorized

>>533623303
I believe LDIRCM is currently capped to two simultaneous targets. Spam three consecutive missiles and it should do the trick.
Also Z-10ME-PAK when? It's seen combat the first day it arrived from China.

>>533606062
Sure when I get agm114l

>>533625794
deal
i play everything so the more toys the happier i am

>>533624798
>I believe LDIRCM is currently capped to two simultaneous targets
Nope, gaijin said something about eventually modelling the number of laser emitters, but right now you can dump entire 8 missile salvo into the chink copter and all of them will just magically nope away from it.

>>533624798
>believe LDIRCM is currently capped to two simultaneous targets
It's not

>>533625794
mmW radar is next to useless against cluttered environments like in GRB

>leo 2 can aim behind its back in real life
>leo 2 can't aim behind its back in snore blunder

>>533626645
>>leo 2 can aim behind its back in real life
Only with the stab turned off.

https://youtu.be/tvbaHgSgya4
The game is full of stupid bugs and misalignments that take 5 minutes to fix and the devs simply throw them under the rug for years

>>533557263
I'll let you in on a little secret: the chart mutt is holding is matches played, not win rates. I chose to use it over the other because the colors were better for the joke.

>>533573923
type 69 is really good. not oppressively good because you have to index your rounds but having everything that it has at 8,3 right now makes it very good. play it at 8,7 with the z11wa since you will be in 8,7 every game anyway

https://youtu.be/Nd9yv4RuSXc
Bofors BONUS my beloved
Also Archer when?

>unironic NAFOshill channel
go the fuck bac/k/

procure an advertisement

Fine fine I'll post something else so your ass won't dilate too much
https://youtu.be/BEySsjywR9M

>so your ass won't dilate
>says the NAFOtroon
lole?

>>533627405
Are you the OP? What a legend, saved that shit more than one year ago

>>533628086
>>533628304
I'm genuinely curious how this top attack round would work in the game

>>533628450
It would work like ass because russians haven't invented it. Look at BILL, used effectively in combat but is total garbage in the game.

It's garbage in the game because it's garbage in real life too

>>533629049

Wrong. BILL can cut through a T-72 and derivatives from top to bottom but in snore blunder it gets stopped by the roof mg

proof your shitty missile even penetrated?

>>533629240
it was real in xer mind

Here

>>533629240

>>533629339
qrd on the chicken?

>>533629325
that's quite the chunk of armor. well done swigger.

>>533628304
>take cover behind hill
>swigger artillery truck instagibs me anyways
either 12.0 or never

>>533620583
I would have accepted an F-16 as a squadron vehicle. At least then it would have been similar to other squadron vehicles like the Thai F-5, and the chinese JF.

>>533628304
So technically you could spam these over the general direction of the enemy and collect free kills like you would do if the brimstones weren't gimped? Sounds busted as fuck. Would more artillery vehicles in the game get this round or is it sven unobtainium?

>>533630627
I think only the most modern NATO artillery would get it.

>>533628354
there's an older version of the image that doesn't have the chink and jew in it because at the time they weren't part of the game

>crapan's only hope for a good top tier jet gone

>>533631559
The F-2A has been removed from the game? Wild.

>>533623303
>equipment works as intended
>this upsets the muttoid

>>533631559
>historically neutral country stops selling weapons to countries at war
that's unheard of, never happened before

>>533606062
your picrel is not katran. regardless, we won't see anything as serious as kh-35 because it is not what gaijin wants. we could have had kh-25 on ka-50s and 52s like 5 years ago and we still do not have them, so what do you think?

>>533631559
Bro, your
>Indonesian Rafale
>Indonesian KF-21
>Indonesian Kaan
>Singaporean F15SG
>Malay F-18D
>Malay Su-30MKM
?

>>533632412
and let's not forget about anti radiation missiles as well

>>533632585
Hold your horses you glutton. One (1) tree, one (1) subtree.

>>533632974
tell that to swiggers

>>533632585
>indonesia rafale
God please let it come out for japan soon. We need a 2nd rafale nation, and japan needs so more incentive for grinding it out.

It's wild to think that we will surely have shit like the F-22A and the T-50 before next year ends.
We sure came a long way

>>533632974
But shitaly has like 7 nations in it that's not fair

premium pre-production Rafale when?

It's Saturday /wtg/

I'm new, what nation should I pick for Air RB?

>>533634926
Mutts and Soviets above all else.

>>533634926
japan

>>533634926
try multiple
do you have anything grinded out at all?

>>533634982
>>533634997
Thanks.
>>533635070
No, just some American biplane.

>>533634926
Any of the big nig three.

Amerimutts and russniggers have the best variety and very easie to pick up and handle planes. Amerimutt teams however suck total dogshit. Russniggers have a seesaw level of balancing for their top tier shit, but generally get by thanks to favoritism.

Germonkeys also have very solid spread of well performing planes, but the atrocious level of incompetence and retardation the averate nazi plane player demonstrates makes grinding them abysmal. They have some phenonenal top tier shit at the moment though.

Smaller nations have smaller trees to grind but can be very challenging to handle.

>>533635703
>big nig three
shitaly, france, sweden?

>>533635703
Oh, thank you. What about China? It looks like it has planes from every country.

>>533634926
If you are interested in jet start with USA.
USA has the most handheld jets, but the team are literally retarded.
USSR has *some* uberhandeld planes that nobody can touch but overall the jets are less noob-friendly

>>533635703
>mutts
>very easy to pick up and handle planes
early on yeah and some shit (especially prems) are OP. The rest is mostly fast and undertiered which means new players have zero clue how to actually use them and get curbstomped by turnfighters.
Sovgroids are easily the best pick, far above mutts for starter nation. If anon is not too stupid and thinks about what he's doing for 10 seconds then yeah he can think about jumping onto mutt fighters.

>>533636608
>It looks like it has planes from every country.
This line of thinking is a trap. If you grind USSR and US as you absolutely should, all that copypaste instantly turns into completely worthless bloat that you already have access to, which is why Germany is a terrible nation to grind. You don't grind China because it has planes from other nations, you grind it because nowadays it's the only big, consistent producer of indigenous airframes not found anywhere else besides the aforementioned big two. But it's still only worth grinding after you've completed USSR and US as they just offer so, so much more.

T90m2 (arena aps, updated reverse speed, better survivability) when?

off topic
low quality
bot post

>>533637261
On-topic. High quality. Organic post.

>>533606062
Hmmm hopefully we'll see hermes soon
>Spikes but with vikhr speed and ataka damage

>>533636918
Okay, thank you anon =)

>>533637261
Last time i posted about the Arena-APS defeating a javelin (with video and opposing propaganda media stating the same) the chimpout lasted for a whole day. Just because i want it in war thunder and don't care about loser irl fandoms

>>533637261
>posting russian reddit
go back

>>533637550
That's Russian kikebook albeit, Russian r*ddit is Pikabu.

what blew up this time?

Porkovsk

>>533631559
But japan has the best 13.7 with the F-15J and F-2A
And soon the best jet in the game uncontested with thr F-35J

>>533631559
>What is F-2B
>What is Su-27 Squadron
>What is F-35

>F-35anything in snore blunder
>best anything
lol

>>533631559
why would anyone buy gripen after this?
imagine if you are some african tribe warlord looking for new multirole fighter, even if american refused to sell you any im sure russian or chink would be willing to sell some planes to you
do you want a risk of your provider ditching you when shit actually hit the fans?
do they get refund at least?
but desu there is no reason to get gripen to begin with when they already have f-16
is there any kind of mission that gripen can do but f-16 cant?
if not why dont they just get newer f-16 or upgrade their old f-16?

>>533638463
I prefer the grippy to the F-15J.

>>533638595
Because real world is not War Thunder.

>>533638524
>Only plane that will be able to multi lock, multi track and multi launch
>Best

>>533638516
If the F-2A isn't "good' (you didn't mention it therefore I have to assume you don't consider it good, even though it is), what makes you think the F-2A but fat (F-2B) would be better?

>>533638808
>>Only plane that will be able to multi lock, multi track and multi launch
Any plane with AESA can do that by the definition of AESA, Gaijin were just too lazy to model it on the Rafale, F-2A and Kfir C.10.

>>533638842
HDM

>>533638991
A small QoL upgrade (HMD is only actually crucial if you have HOBS missiles) won't make up for the massive FM downgrade. Also why would the twin-seat trainer variant get it but not the single-seat fighter?

>>533639156
Because Gaijin is stupid. I wouldn't be surprised if they only give the F2B the HDM.
If Gaijin doesn't choose to be retarded the peak of the missile dogfighter will be the F2A Kai or what ever they will call it by just giving it HDM. Nothing short of the Berkut will match it in dogfighting and the only missile better than the AAM-3 will be the ASRAAM.

>>533636608
Ching chink air tree is a complete trap. They have a few solid planes from other nations but for the most part they get absolute shit thats behind everyone else in technical aspects. Like the 10.7 F-104 starfighter that doesn't get flares at a battle rating where you face all aspect missiles. Your best planes outside of 12.7 and upwards are unironically the two premiums. A-5C is solid for base bombing and J-7D is a curbstomper with its 4x magic 1 equivalent missiles. Its a pay to not suffer nation.

>>533638595
You want Gripen over F-16 or F-15 because it's a brand new airframe that doesn't have the nightmarish maintenance requirements of old airframes. I remind you F-16 is fifty (five zero) (50) years old and costs 250 million to get them through their intended lifespan.
Policy is to not sell to countries at active war unless it's self defense and I'm sure Thais knew that when they signed the contract.

>>533639648
>Your best planes outside of 12.7 and upwards are unironically the two premiums.
Your J-7E?

>>533639705
but what if you called it special military operation training?

>>533638842
F-2A should be 13.0

>>533639943
Holy glutton.

I just want Oplot

>>533639713
It gets shafted pretty hard as more and more 11.0-12.0 planes with aim 9ms and magic 2s get added by gaijins retarded balancing. Also the complete lack of radar missiles on it, and while its got a heavy hitting 30mm gun its only has 60 rounds, which requires extreme trigger control and accuracy to not waste completely on a single kill.

It definitely used to be phenomenal, but after it got uptiered its just average.

>>533640607
>the best pre-F-16A dogfighter with 4 of the best rear-aspect missiles sin the game le bad
Shitter take, all you just described can be played around. What CAN'T be played around for the enemies is its gigauberhandheld FM. All they can do is run because engaging you once you notch/multipath/flare thier missiles is suicide.

>>533640919
that would be the mig23ml

>>533641095
ML's post-nerf FM is liquid diarrhea, the only MiG-23 that has a workable FM nowadays is the MLD.

If pre-flaring is a thing, is pre-chaffing as well?

>>533641158
you're just bad at the game

>>533641309
A pair of R-24Rs is literally all it has going for it. It has a dogshit FM, dogshit RWR, dogshit IR missiles and a clunky gimped radar (the automatic mode switching should have a manual override). I'm only worried about them at the start of the match, after they've expended their SARHs they're free kills.

I'm so glad that BF6 is shaping up to be great and I won't have to care about this shitty Russian scam game for years to come.

>>>>>>>>>>>>HP
>gen 5 jets flying at biplane speeds over a 1x1 km shoebox of a map
lolmao

>>533639713
j-7e pay too much in BR for its FM
even if it has the best FM in the entire match you are still in a BR where all-aspect are common
a 21bis can kill 4 people in a headon, die and respawn into next match by the time you finish your first dogfight kill

>>533641509
>be bad

>battlefield 6 nails the cv90's engine sound
>snore blunder uses a vacuum cleaner sound

>>533643181
I cant believe they get the 9050 first wtf fuck you gaijin

>>533637459
hopefully not, but check this out: hermes is closely tied to klevok-d2. its a planned hypersonic missile.

>>533641663
tanks look really satisfying in their mobility, and so do helis. I just can't stand the heli 'ffar' being the same piss poor semiauto salvo from BF4(/2042?) and not a true aoe rocket spam. Jets don't look as impressive but nobody plays them anyway...
This'll be a nice distraction from WT when it drops

>>533643181
Brother your sound mods?

chink or jew?

>>533643181
They got the CV9050 first too *nton can go suck a fat dick

>>533643907
Jew if you love the patton tank and merkavas. Or if you like french and american planes.

Chink if you want russian and american vehicles. Even at top tier they're mainly reskinned versions of other nations stuff, with the occasional actual improvement.

>>533643653
>Jets don't look as impressive but nobody plays them anyway...
Holy cope, the reason Squad is shit is precisely because it doesn't have jets. A combined arms game is simply not complete without fixed wing air assets.

>>533641663
it loos like ass

>>533643907
chinks atleast have some unique gameplay and good lineups
israel is just copy-paste of bland MBTs + Merkavas at the top, you just fall asleep grinding the tree

>>533645328
Most of the Chink stuff is just bodykits.

>>533644767
I wanna agree with you but in reality I don't think anybody gaf. Jets in BF4 were just a mechanism for players to revenge suicide ram their #1 opp's tank or ifv and then return to their gunfight

>>533645563
And even just being bodykits they offer something unique
>T-72's with reverse speed
>T-55's with NATO guns
>fat fuck BMP-3
>gokart lights with dogshit gun handling, but good ammo
>autoloaded 120mm at 9.0
>T-62 but with ATGMs on top
Israel is literally just
>M48
>M60
>Centurion
>T-62
and the exact versions you played in other trees already

>scouted target destroyed
>no intelligence award
the fuck is this shit

>>533646447
if they got hit 30s before your scout, you don't get the intelligence

>>533645854
By that same metric israels m60s offer something unique with the ERA armor variants, the Hydra rocket pod variant, and access to higher battle rating APFSDS on their 9.3/ 10.0 versions.

But for the most part israel is most fun with just the 6.0-6.3 lineup of m-51 x3 and the two m109 howitzers. The m51 especially is ridiculously fun due to it getting a br 8.0 french HEAT shell to lolpen everything it can face.

>>533645854
Jewish Centurions and Pattons are just straight up upgrades, with ERA, darts, lrf, thermals.

>>533632585
>indonesian
dutch(french) tree
>singaporean
chinese tree
>malay
british tree

>every documentary always praise centurion to dead
>they are all dogshit in warclubber
why?
or is it because bong bias in english speaking war documentary?

>>533647236
it's a good wt vehicle, thoughever

>>533647236
I mean they aren't wrong per se, just a little slow on the dirt

>>533647236
most positive qualities of military equipment dont translate into gameplay, but when they do, it puts them in a higher category which negates the fact that they're better than their contemporaries

>>533640919
Great missiles, certainly. Being limited to rear aspect, and super vulnerable to flares kinda dampens their luster. And as I said, having just 60 rounds in its gun is crippling for a dogfighter.

>>533632412
>explosive cords on the canopy
how does a helicopter ejection seat works?

>>533649598
the russian twin rotors famously have explosive charges in the blade stems to eject the blades just before the crew ejects

>>533649598
The same way. Just the rotor blades are ejected away as well.

>>533649863
>>533649940
oooh

>>533649598