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>Are mystery dungeon games allowed in this thread?
Generally yes, most mystery dungeon games(Shiren the Wanderer, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Etrian Mystery Dungeon, etc.) can be considered roguelikes too
>Is Elin/Elona allowed?
Yes, they are roguelikes
>Is Dwarf Fortress allowed?
If it's adventure mode, yes, that could be considered a roguelike, the same can't be said about its other modes though
>FAQ
https://l.idrix.fr/J7sOv
>What to Play
https://l.idrix.fr/eYNOh
>Individual Game Pastas
https://l.idrix.fr/wXd8t
>Roguelike Archive (Collection of pretty much every free roguelike there is)
https://archive.org/details/ArchiveRL.7z
>/rlg/'s "official" Cataclysm: DDA fork
https://github.com/cataclysmbnteam/Cataclysm-BN/releases


>News
28 June 2025 - Shadow of the Wyrm v1.8.4 released - https://www.shadowofthewyrm.org/downloads.html
26 June 2025 - Gloamvault b21 released - https://store.steampowered.com/app/3460840/Gloamvault/
22 June 2025 - Steam Sky 11.0.2 released - https://thindil.itch.io/steam-sky/devlog/971350/version-1102-arrived
20 June 2025 - Overworld v2.5 released - https://redasteroidgames.com/overworld/
19 June 2025 - NLarn 0.7.7 released - https://nlarn.github.io/news/2025/06/19/release-0.7.7
18 June 2025 - Tangaria "Deeptown Era" released - https://tangaria.com/news/deeptown-era/
9 June 2025 - Coop Catacombs 1.6 released - https://aikoncwd.itch.io/coop-catacombs

>/rlg/'s shared DCSS online account
User: rlgrobin
Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua)

Roguelike Servers
https://angband.live/ (Angband and variants)

where are the rogues

Generate me a roguelike player

Give me a rougelike simulator

Since we know that the cap for effects for Path of Achra is 1mill, my challenge to you is to find the most broken way to use that.
Let's see your 1mill stack builds and victories.

>>533631792
What's the appeal of path of asscrack compared to other roguelikes?

>>533632871
It's quick.
You either win or die, your run isn't going to last more than a couple of hours.

isn't it fascinating that the first thing women do when creating a virtual avatar for people to ogle at is giving themselves giant tits that bounce every time they breathe

>>533636483
big bouncing tits are fascinating, yes.

Nobody asked you.

>>533637085
Did i say you could talk, bitch?

Quiet.

Any of you gents want to share your community layout for DCSS on the deck? Last time I checked, there wasn't one
Strangely there were a couple for Infra Arcana, but none for DCSS or Angband

>>533647108
I don't even understand your question, do you mean Steam Deck or something else? DCSS doesn't come with a good layout on it?

>>533649471
Yeah, for the steam deck. Community layouts are custom control schemes that you can share with everyone. DCSS only has a keyboard layout, but I figured someone already mapped it to the deck

>>533631792
I refuse to use Master Repulsion. It's just not ethical.

>>533663868
That's fine, fine another 1mill stack build.

>>533664352
That's the only one I would know how to do. Any effect that stacks up on hit is going to kill the enemy long before you get enough stacks. And shit like stand still for poise is going to take hours to hit one million.

>>533664556
You'll think of something.

>>533616284 (OP)
Damn I wasn't around to make the new thread.

>>533671804
You failed us

I played another "smash my own minions" build. I get charge on summon, damage on summon, and damage on minion death.

I also cleared every race, class, and deity with these being the last ones I needed.

>>533672094
good. Expect it more often.

Another run where the prestige class did nothing. No matter what I can't see a world where the mirrors it spawns does anything noteworthy. Since they spawn on standstill you can't make enough of them to do any meaningful damage; also they are limited to a range of 4 from the player making them even worse.
Otherwise it's a "aggressively stand still" build. Since Agara trigger stand still effects on prayers and Crystalform also trigger on prayer it steadily scales my damage. Crow Visage did Crow Visage things.
Even then I feel like I won mostly because I never got screwed by mapgen. Got a really favourable map against the final boss where I slowed him down to a crawl causing him to be too busy killing mirrors to be able to reach me. Didn't even see him once.

Big weapon damage with Eris.

>>533616284 (OP)
Anyone have a good music playlist?

About to play Elin
Should I watch a "things I knew before playing elin" type of tutorial video or no?

>>533725430
Just go in blind and ask around if you're confused

>>533608881
Who are you quoting from?

And what are they talking about.

>>533730602
Reddit and a nobody e-"celeb".

was this just bad rng or what? combat in this game seems completely unforgiving

Roguelikes used to be good

>>533739031
Rogue was good and that's it

>>533743071
that wasn't a roguelike.

>>533743071
*Rogue Survivor was good and that's it

roguelikes are better than ever

Best stats I've ever gotten on a melee character

CDDA....

>>533731741
What's the bad rng hre?
you're supposed to switch movement mode so you Just don't get hit bro, just gotta be careful in long corridors with bad cover

I bought Quasimorph today, really like the game. The combat keeps me on my toes. One thing though, is this the sort of game where you have to rely on crafting? I ask because trading seems like it is absolute dog water, or is that just because I am trading on mars? I would much rather trade decent items that I have no use for and receive materials in bulk than have to lug around 20kg worth of powder through a mission in order to craft my own ammo. Am I missing something here?

That was kind of fun.

>>533731741
if you were sneaking you'd see all the red behind the door and act more prudently.

>>533746512
What about Beneath Apple Manor?

RIP buddy, F

titan quest 2 roguelike?

My follower guy won't move through this door in the newest BN experimental, I really don't want to make a shithub account

>>533776580
As much as I appreciate the BNs fork, I refuse to update it since they decided to up a cap on skills. Fuck knows who thought that was a good idea.

>>533777745
>I refuse to update it
I basically had no choice since I started playing it with a version that had the bug where my mounted roof turrets were blocked by the interior of my car and I couldn't shoot through metal bars and chickenwire fences.

Also if you open a window side by side with another locked window they won't move through it either until you open the locked one.

>>533731741
>didn't sneak
>opened door with 0 AP remaining

BN really is so good though, invading a mansion feels just like it did in Intravenous

>>533760273
Kevin would like this

>>533782942
Is that the coomer?

>>533725430
I wanted to go in blind, but im a boomer dad that doesn't have time for "figure it out on your own" type games.

With that being said... I am now divorced and childless, almost entirely from this game.
Watching a few "getting started" vids won't spoil anything, it just accelerates the autism.

Hey it works

>>533805368
How does this work? Are your skin familiars carrying or is it mostly the undead killing things?

How can I stop my addiction of random DCSS characters that die ~D:6 ?

this is how I feel right now.

>>533730690
But where. Malcolm talk is apparently banned in dcss since this post from March.

https://old.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/1jicb5f/my_brief_argument_with_malcolm_rose_and_what_i/
> I fail to see how anyone can bring up WLM with no explanation whatsoever and expect to not be called out for racism.

>Given the recent posts and comments on this sub that promote his content or defend his behavior, from now on we're not allowing posts that link to his content or discuss him in general. Do not advocate for him. Do not request to unban him. Doing any of these may result being banned yourself.

go peddle your crypto scams somewhere else marge

>>533803381
Stop beating around your bush, based phoneposter, you know exactly who that is.

>>533831737
he sounds like a pretty cool guy to me

>>533824417
around d6, you may come across maurice, or a two headed ogur. These are extreme threats, for different reasons. Blorkula the orkula can also be a major concern, if his undeath renders him resistant to your attack method.

While it is clear that blork is far weaker than a two headed ogur which is far weaker than maurice, all of them are sufficient reasons to simply leave. You've got 3 staircases into d6 from above, and 3 between d7 and d6. Use them all.

Specifically, if a deadly threat is loitering near 2 out of 3 of your staircases into d6, it is now time to use your 3rd staircase into d6 specifically to find a staircase into d7 as fast as possible.

Blorkula is generally overpowered quite easily, and a small amount of extra exp should do the trick, or you may find a correct weapon on d7. Remember that he is capable of haste and ranged attacks, meaning that you can't wait until your health drops before running.

If you find an ogur, or a two headed ogur, either of them can easily strike you down in single combat. You may get away with fighting a normal ogur 70% of the time, but that's still too likely to kill you. If you've got an investment in any kind of ranged weaponry, you can likely just clear out most of the floor and then lead the ogur in a circle while chipping them. Particularly, poison or poison darts work well for this. Wands are an option, if you have some. The point is to not let them near you in the first place, so that you can just retreat upstairs if needed and try again. That works on both kind of ogur. If you're pure melee, simply skip these until you've got more power in some manner. You may even want to save two-headers for after you clear lair.

Maurice is also weak to poisoning, in that you can fully poison him and then leave. He doesn't have that much hp. The main issue is his invisibility, combined with plenty of ranged tools which he may or may not have.

>>533838362
Ranged, invisable, blinking, and swiftness means that retreat after losing hp isn't really viable, just like with blorcula.

The main issue with d:6 is that it's transitional. You're still weak enough that a swarm of gnolls can end you. Even a lucky ork wizzard can do you in, if confusion hits and they have a poison dagger. You think you're stronger than them, because you are, but you're still not ready to wander into a swarm of them, or take them for granted.

Anything strong is slightly above your paygrade, and out-of-depth is now an extra half-measure more powerful than they should be. You're moments away from outgrowing them, but you're not there yet.

The perfect example is the acid dragon. If you see it, you're at its mercy. There's almost nothing you can do. It's faster than you. It's not that strong, but it has its special attack. If it hits you with acid, even if it doesn't corrode you, it may outright kill squishy characters. Probably, if you can just punch it a few times, it will likely go down, but that requires that you reach it, and that it just doesn't choose to spit at you.
Unless you're a summoner, there doesn't seem to be a true safe way to handle this jerk, and you probably don't have spare invis pots.
But, if you have resist corrosion, or acid dragon scales, then they are nothing.

That's what it comes down to. You're on D:6. You still haven't quite gotten strong, and your pockets aren't yet full of options. Your build is just barely online, probably. If you have to simply retreat or skip a floor, then do it. If you really can't retreat, then maybe you'll have to waste a might potion on a stupid acid dragon in order to get his scales so that you can wear them for the next one.

>>533824364
It's the Scorch carrying. Undead applying the Scorch with hitting via Burning Ooze and dying via Necromancer. The remaining part of the build is to make sure you have enough bodies. and prayers to make sure everything works.

>>533782942
>BN
you can't mean Bright Nights do you?

>>533842738
I absolutely mean Bright Nights, I love this game. Why don't you?

>>533587806
>The classic definition of a "streak" in Crawl requires you to never repeat a species or background as any previous win in the streak
>I've been playing Crawl since 2009. This is the definition that existed back then, long predating me. This definition exists precisely because a zillion consecutive MiFi wins isn't particularly impressive, difficult, or interesting for any experienced player. There's a reason that the top streakers bother to make the game harder for themselves by mixing up their combos.

> you're producing a circular argument here - you say a streak is mixed combos, and you can tell because that's what top streakers do - but someone is only a top streaker to you if they play mixed combos!

Which one is it, rlg

Bros I think I might have found the cure to my bad sleep
It's alcohol
And before you ask I swore off alcohol my entire life because my dad used to get drunk and beat my mom
Thanks for reading my blog
Roguelike

>>533852405
I'm sorry to hear that, you should play Cataclysm: Bright Nights though.

>>533852297
I didn't read all of that, can you summarize what the problem is in a few lines?

was playing tlg island prison start, smashed a speaker and got copper wires, and found out that it only accepts copper wires in one of the two places it accepts regular wires for rudimentary lockpicks. I fucking hate dda recipes dude.

>>533856920
these are the kinds of things you bring up as a bug because they make no sense

>>533856920
https://github.com/Cataclysm-TLG/Cataclysm-TLG/blob/118313df14c3468faf4c56cfb124b33c620eed3d/data/json/recipes/tools/tool.json#L295

Before 2021 it required both to be steel wires.

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/51485

>>533852405
That's how you become an alcoholic, you retard

>>533873701
At this point I'd rather be an alcoholic than whatever that is robbing me of sleep every night. Day long headache, feeling of throwing up, mood swings every hour and inability to concentrate while working on anything (not even video games).
Anyway, happy international roguelike day.

>>533873701
That's kind of like finding a person who uses alcohol to cope with physical constant pain and calling them a retard.
In both cases, the danger is real and there are generally better options, if you can get them.

>>533872209
did all wires have lockpicking quality when they designed the island prison challenge start

>>533856920
Are there no chain link fences dividing the island up?

>>533874269
Also trying to self medicate myself into a responsible bedtime as we speak.

>>533874991
Yes, in the example the person is a retard as well. I was drinking 12 beers a night for years, and that started as helping get sleep after using adderall. That guy also has a family history of boozers
>>533874269
It's a rabbithole you don't want to go down

I want to clarify that it's actually melatonin + a small amount of alcohol (just apple cider). Individually they don't work, but I've had success for 2 days now. I want to see how long I keep this up.

>>533824417
Spend your things. You probably died without zapping your wands, drinking buff potions or reading scrolls.

>>533875407
You can clearly see in the PR that all hairpins had lock picking quality removed.

>>533884808
wow very smart! is that the question i asked?

>>533824417
take more than 0.01 seconds to decide your next game action you filthy fucking tab holder

>>533852405
>skip drinking for fun and go straight to drinking just to function
alcoholism speedrun

>>533760113
Ignore trading, use everything you get to craft better gear. If you don't like it, don't play the game.

>>533760113
With scavenging+recycler you can just mulch the steady flow of junk and no more issues with most raw material.

>>533760113
There's also a mod that turns the game's gear loot into ARPG style loot with rarities and random mods.

oppa roguelike style

I was out of the loop with the general and now i see there's another Cata fork?
How is it compared to CataBN? It drew my interest since it removed kevin's cringe faction

>>533884920
The implication is that no, wire alone never had that quality.

>>533874269
Can you get 1 hr - 2 hrs of exercise daily?
Do you do a job where you're just staring at a screen all day or sitting most of the day?
Are you eating lots?
Do you drink coffee to cope with the poor sleep?
All of these things were effecting me. Alcohol also helps me sleep really good lol but I limit myself to 2 nights a week, and also the next day I feel "less intelligent"

>>533925138
From what I gather, it removed a focus on NPC faction interactions but added even more tedium
It's also run by some troon e-celeb who threatened to brick all mods if someone ported stats through skills/kills

>>533935092
>it removed a focus on NPC faction interactions but added even more tedium
Is that so?
Damn, i actually liked interacting with NPCs. Without the bullshit kevin faction, of course
Guess it's still better to stick to BN then?

>>533938110
I think it was just the exodii that were removed, putting cbms back into the world
Idk, whenever I play Cata I usually just play DDA experimental

>>533925138
>How is it compared to CataBN
TLG is essentially just DDA when compared to BN but with a worse "vision/future/philosophy".
The lead dev only forked because even Kevin of all people blocked that devs attempt add more tedium and remove what little fun there is in DDA. Currently though its alright since it adds some difficulty back to the game, but will forever be DDA at its core since the dev agrees with modern DDA on a fundamental level.

>>533925138
you're better off looking into it yourself because the retards in here will just give you a negative spin

>>533942560
Or you could just, you know, say why you like it if you feel others are being unfair about it

>>533943616
I have no emotional investment in the conversation but you are writing in the tone of a bitchy woman. /rlg/ is not for people like you. leave.

>>533943616
That's not going to happen.

>>533852297
I definitely think less of the pure MiFi or GnIE streaks. Still impressive, but switching it up is probably almost an order of magnitude harder still

>>533939149
>TLG is essentially just DDA when compared to BN but with a worse "vision/future/philosophy".
How is it worse?
>because even Kevin of all people blocked that devs attempt add more tedium and remove what little fun there is in DDA
Kevin being the one to not add tedium and other retarded stuff into the game? I find it hard to believe
>>533938543
I see i see
>>533942560
I just wanted some information before putting in hours into the fork then realizing the fork is shit
I will try it i suppose

girlfailurelikes

>>533912016
>>533912109
Thanks

>>533939149
Wormgirl might be a silly tedium lover but she does actually play games and works hard and codes competently, so she could never do as bad a job as the current DDA development. You might not like the game, but it will work and be balanced in some way.

I'm 100% black and I haven't played rogue like in 6 months after I got rid of my keyboard with numpad
And you niggers still jerkoff cataclysm ad infinitum
Im actually playing REAL games instead of some dogshit asciislop with bump combat made for templeos
Blackest gorilla niggers I've ever seen

>>533972471
ok

>>533972471
In Cataclysm you can set the option to use Ctrl and Shift keys to move diagonally so you can still play it right now without a numpad.

bn players really think any change that makes the game more challenging is “tedium”
babies

>>533933648
I have a daily brainfog that causes all the symptoms I mentioned. I can't feel less intelligent because that's what I am on everyday - literally unable to think because simply waking up causes painful headaches that last an entire day.
Also I wrote in another post that it's not like I'm drinking myself drunk, I just have a single apple cider and it made all the difference. All headache gone. 3 days now.

>>533982062
I just find dda's dragon hoard building unengaging

>>533758760
>>533767565
>>533780714
yeah i didnt learn about sneaking until an hour after i made that post, guess im a dumbass

>>533982062
I don't think about your boring games at all.

Death to roguelikes

>>533971358
Does Kevin not play?

Erk plays with his son I think. He wants to add hot seat mode to switch off playing an NPC in his game.

I respect that to keep projects coherent they need an asshole BDFL like Linus Torvalds but Christ what is it with Kevin just declaring his conclusions as fact.

He literally only had 5 words in his explanation:

>The meme is not okay.

for reverting the benadryl hat man meme.

>>534004169
hes so lame

Beat cycle 32 with a Windblade. Diskos is really good because it's a shield with 2 range and a built in counter attack.

tome4 rogue failing stealth check
https://youtu.be/JiZLAcGyAcs?t=317

is this a roguelike? https://djrozwell.bandcamp.com/album/none-of-this-is-real

>>534004169
He simply does not like drugs or drug ""culture"".

>>533985628
Just use the sexbot head, I believe it always senses enemies regardless of mode.

Wake up

I like Frog until dlvl 40 or so, it's a great game to that point. But after you kill Smaug it becomes too aimless imo

*30

The odds of that happening are microscopical.

And obviously, I put on the shirt by accident instead of the ring.

Good laugh.

And vengeance will rain down from heaven on all the anons who did not pray for my soul.

Catlike roguelikes?

>>534045709
dcss

>>534003770
other games

>>533944294
Is /rlg/ instead for troon eceleb simps like you who are too cowardly to describe the merits of things?

>>534051275
you're not even talking to the same person

>>534007681
Nice work anon!

>>534022232
i just started playing, only like 2 hours into the game. i have just the basic starting items for the most part

im going to crack my head open
why is there no way to farm scrap aside from waiting for a factory or random trash to spawn
my entire progression is being halted by god damn scrap

>>533731741
Need to ask you, what game is this? Never seen this one before and I'm not exactly a new one.

>>534074789
quasimorph. its pretty neat

First two stairsways are full of shit, but at least this third one is safe :^)

ohh now i can actually carry stuff

>>534075814
I'll give it a pirate

>>534090143
already gone

>>534052102
I can see your IP, retard

>>534092571
well retard if you could see my ip you would know im not the one that called you a bitchy woman lmao

>>534090143
It becomes pretty common loot eventually and some megacorps have it in their reward pools.

Good night, /rplg/

Some youtube video about Elin being promoted by the algorithm just got millions of views. A few threads ago I argued elin/Elona are obscure games. Boy do I look stupid now.

>>534113346
You mean sseth? Pretty sure he did an elona vid too and it's his kind of meme games so it's hardly unexpected

>>534113346
Only a little bit though.

>>534113346
Thank god I also only get proven wrong anonymously.

>>534113346
Elin is Japanese cdda.

>>534119453
hmm maybe im interested

>>534075814
not a roguelike

are there any open-world fantasy roguelikes worth playing besides df and qud?

>>533616284 (OP)
There's something interesting when you feel satisfaction at dying over and over on the first floor of the first Elin dungeon for hours until like 3-4 AM, something akin to an epiphany... I think I had enough gacha/gacha-like games, day in and day out of just FOMO, trying to go up on an escalator going down, it's just really... draining, those games feel like a second job where you pay your employer.

it's crazy how often kevin posts in the tlg discord

>>534130248
kevin wants the "girl" worm in his mouth

>>534130395
seriously though, multiple times a day

>DDA adds enemy grabbing mechanics where enemies can make you drop your weapon
>DDA doesn’t add any mechanics to counter this like how IRL knights would have sword knots to prevent this exact scenario, or just taping a weapon to your hand would work
Realism only matters when its to hurt the player, reminds me of when they made cooking oil super rare for being too “OP” despite being much more common IRL than “transbinary stockings”.

>>534135370
stop playing dda and start playing a fork

im about to get back into elin. what is the suggested exp multiplier i should use for a smooth experience that isnt too broken? I was going to go 2x, but im worried i might burn out again on how slow it might be

Good morning

Last roguelike before I roguelike myself

>>534168216
wow! which roguelike does this text come from?

>>534141596
Lulwy sex

>>534139515
What is the less insane fork? Where do i get it?

>>533616284 (OP)
how do you save scum in cdda?
I realized I'm not willing to play this game without a save file.

>>534174240
is there a mod that just lets you save like a normal game without having to crash your game to reload?

>>534174889
You can just quicksave without closing your game and copy and paste the game folder somewhere else. I wouldn't bother trying to save a few hundred megabytes of space by picking out only the save files and possibly screwing something up.

>>534174889
I thought I knew the meaning of the word retard until you waltzed in and singlehandedly gave everyone a complete and utter new description for it.

>>534174240
you can save whenever you want
but to reload a save you have to quit

Burgerlikes

>>534179095
roguelikes for this setting?

>>534179095
oh good, now women are gonna want to fuck clown men just as men wanna fuck clown girls.

>>534179095
Would unironically work. Not enough material for a full scale game but a coffee break style fast food themed roguelike would be entirely possible.
>menu items are potions
>collect happy meal toys(runes)
>ball pit branch, tubes branch, burgerland branch, drivethru branch
Can go either full cartoon, full mascot horror, or full xiaxia cultivation depending on your preferences.

I'm making the first dating roguelike simulator.

:)

pls rate.

>>534183526
add ntr

>>534183526
Just make an H agame

>>534183526
You realize these games live or die based on the quality of the art, right?

>>534186586
I will use AI as placeholder.

>>534186645
>as placeholder
Pfft yeah ok

>>533616284 (OP)
Is Streets of Rogue a roguelike?

>>534190491
no

Maybe I should use pixel art instead of AI.

I need some advice, how would I code a system similar to rimworld or Dwarf fortress npc dynamic system?

>>534194537
Unironically try using AI for stuff like this

yeah bro just vibe code the thing dw
(fucking retard)

I'm trying Elin out and it's not just clicking for me. I'm trying to play just a bog-standard wizard. Is magic supposed to be this underwhelming? I'm fine with magic being shitty cantrips I get from waving around a lvl1 broomstick but then becoming lvl99 armageddon nukes once I've become autistic enough, but my current magic has been very unsatisfactory
>go to sleep, for 3-4 days, hope I learn enough spells for a dungeon from dreams
>go to dungeon, use them up, maybe use a few rods along the way
>repeat
like it's so frustrating running out of spells, it's like my chuck-e-cheese tokens ran out and now I'm relegated to my base until I sleep enough. Do I really need to buy additional spellbooks?

>>534196561
also: I understand it's a sandbox game and sandbox games are to some degree random, but combat feels so meaningless. In the same dungeon, if I turn a corner, it's a 50% chance whether it's a shitty jobber mob I can easily deal with or if it's a demigod rat which rapes me in .1 seconds. I'm fine with the game punishing me for venturing into an area too hard for me, but these 0 buildup or warning "fuck you" kills are so annoying, it's like I'm being punished for an error I didn't know I committed.

>>534125963
idc no one asked notaroguelike fuck off back to your gacha general

bros...

>>534204056
will I fall and drown in the lava if I get petrified here?

>>534204258
I didn't. easiest lair 5 of my life.

>>534204881
werewolve form on a troll is pretty fun. You are hypermobile once you get going with your jump and get free stabs with it

>>534206803
bonus: sonnja deleted with jump stab

>>534203305
Elin is a roguelike though

>>534207005
You could just blast her with your wands. She has no willpower and a distortion weapon so I wouldn't fuck around, but you do you, man.

>>534197370
elin wants you to engage with its out of combat systems, especially at the start. Getting the first level spell dreaming perk and letting those stockpile while you farm+cook up your preferred attribute/potentials should get you going. The higher your spellcasting attribute the faster its spells will level, and spell levels are the easiest way to get early damage. Ice arrow should be better than almost anything else a beginner would have, and it helps if you get your flexible starting domains to also have arrow spells. Also succubus is easy mode.

rogue bump

>>534210976
No it is not.

>>534210976
Nope. NARL

DCSS has to be the most frustrating game to watch the devs muddle around with. I'm tired of Achra after 250 hours, and I'm getting tempted to go back and try trunk version DCSS with the retarded Zot changes and shitty shapeshifters. I hate the changelog in trunk lately but it's like the old versions don't have the UI upgrades so I don't like them as much anymore either.

how cute

>>534234385
Instead of working on the game's most glaring issue (pan/hell/tomb), they add a bunch of goofy shit like necromancy ego on armor or fortress crab talisman. This is all because of decentralized game design and weak-willed leadership.

>>534245286
Fortress crab seems completely unusable. To me.
Is it?

-poison seems to means it isn't usable in lair, or in dungeon. If you see a fast poison enemy, you would basically already be dead.
Acid-breath seems good, but -24 hp when you have 80 or so is a lot.
Is the idea that you only ever pull that form out to use against specific uniques when you have prep time? Or is it just shit

>>534245286
the alternative to unpaid hobbyists doing whatever catches their fancy is not a crack team of (still unpaid) experts

Good night, /rlg/

>Playing TOME
>Finally got to level 25 in my breath wyrmic build
>Try play around to see what prodigy is really the best
>Can't, i have to commit to my choice blind or save scum
>Choose save scum
>Fuck it up somehow
>Now i have a dogshit prodigy
>Hours of playing like a bitch to not die wasted
I fucking hate this game
I FUCKING HATE THIS GAME!!!

>>534246391
It's hard to decide what's best because the best options are also quite unfun
For example best for most character (including Wyrmic) is Cauterize because it prevents you from one shot (or dying in general). You'll need to put a Shielding rune on auto cast and wait like 5 minutes to get the spell casting requirement.
I don't get Cauterize because I am often too lazy to do it. The close alternative is Ethereal Armor which gives 25% absolute resistance and is all around better until you get one shotted.
For Breath Wyrmic you can go I can carry the World since it is like the only real way to scale your breathe damage. Or you can be minmaxing and just take Flexible Combat like all the melees and abuse Wyrmic multi hitting attacks.

>>534246891
Im just venting, anon, don't worry about it
I think i want to play another roguelike for now, im burned out of TOME
Any recommendations? The only thing i played so far was TOME and Elona (can't run Elin for some reason)

>>534249393
You could try the orc campaign, it's shorter so you can get back the lvl 25 in say 2-3h instead of 8
I don't think there's anything that quite capture the tome4 feeling for me, I'd play older ARPGs like Diablo 2 when I don't feel like it. Other than that.
Only other roguelike I actually completed was Rift Wizard 1, which was fast but not very deep.

Now I can mix the autismo of roguelikes and dwarve fortress with the autismo of having a harem VN.

>>533587806
Another win.

I've been playing with early game shapeshifting. This has cost me a number of good runs. It seems like I'm considerably weaker this way. However, if one can use full-meld shapeshifting forms in order to consistently survive, then finding a single talisman would be all you need. Less hoping for good armor and weapons would mean a higher % of runs which get what they need
So it seems worth it in the long run.

I left my defensive skills at 12, and as a result I was using death form partway through crypt. This meant that abyss abuse was viable. With full shapeshift skill, I had enough max hp to withstand a few dispel undead in the necromancy hell. Without that, you can occupationally just die in a few turns.

Tomb3 intantly force-teleported me. I landed in the side room, so that was lucky. There isn't much of a threat in there to start with. From here, it was very safe to just toss javalins out of the northern door. Datura bennu did work for me again., this time clearing out the main chamber before I had ever seen it.

Don't underestimate 4 brimstone fiends. If you see that shit, you make sure you're standing next to a damnation-vulnerable monster immediately.

The defensive stats are great. I don't think I've had enough resistances to afford ring of the hare before.

>>534250970
pic rel

Is eraMegaten a roguelike?

>>534252117
Roguelite, similar to mystery dungeon or blobber games.

>Optimized get_units_in_los and can_cast, two very frequently called methods, for significant performance improvements on long-range enemy actions.
The new RW2 dev is working overtime lately.

pls tell me where to go from here.

>>534253357
Money and ways to earn + spend it
Time, calendar, and a day-night system

bros, I just made an incel stalker simulator.

wtf.

I should delete this.

>>534249393
play some Demon

Does this bitch ever fucking go to sleep?

>>534273567
Throw alcohol at her

Throw alcohol at me

>>534196561
If you progress the quests there's eventually a guy that you can give spellbooks to so he can write copies of it and sell it regularly. Hire bookstore clerks/magic shopkeepers at base.

Im trying DoomRL for the first time, is there a way to change the font color? Right now its a dark red on top of a black screen and i can't read shit

>>534212452
anon was bloodthirsty irl too

>>534260756
Is there sex

>>534307039
yes.

this nigga also posts on /fgg/
>>534215717
I guess it's understandable because that general has 0 video game content and is exclusively for gooning

>>534307982
I like fighting games, so is one of the generals I use.

>>534191315
Why not?

>>534190491
how many big missions did you guys finish?

why is rlg full of annoying zoomers all of a sudden

>>534324008
4chan belongs to high-schoolers and those currently failing out of college

>>534324008
unc thinks we don't know about 4chan :wilted_flower:
yakub ksi nazi logan paul white pharoah 'toks sent me here

I'm writing basically a daily routine of 16 anime deres, and have a diferent weekly routine if she's normal, angry, depressed or introverted and if she's a loli, preteen, teen, young adult, adult, mature female.

This will be great fun.

>>534324719
huh

>>534307673
Where is it?

>>534325526
Still working on it.

It's haaaapeniiiiing
2 15's in a row.

This was the goal I set for myself, and that means I'm free to play other characters now. I'm going to keep going until I lose this streak.

I spent the game up until elf 3 using a brandless +3 flail, and then I used a +0 evening star of holy wrath up until crypt 3. At that point, I finally got my okawaru gift, a +4 eveningstar of protection. That's where I finally spent my enchant scrolls.

I finished with 22 armor/dodging/shields skills. That's partially because abyss teleported me away from some javelins I used, twice. I invested a little bit in transolocations so that I could use apportation in an emergency due to the low ammo count. That wasn't actually useful, this time. When you're invisible, you can seriously just walk into the side room and nothing will bother you.

This strongly implies you don't need defense to do tomb, particularly if you have evocable invis. The main thing stopping me from doing tomb before hell and pan is ammo count. Once you've got 22 stealth/throwing/fighting, you still need enough of both special darts, javs, and boomarangs to keep the enemy at a distance. That, and it just seems like more of a risk compared to hell.

>>534327651
Game dropped me 3 floors and gave me a Bailey.
Knew it would kill me, still had to try.
That was quick.

>>534250970
>>534251158
>>534327651
Why did you censor your name d2r123 ?

>>534331898
Indulgence of the premise of the website, namingfag.

>>534324812
No one gives a fuck pajeet

>>534324812
I care, Raj. Ganbatte!

elin is kinda shit
the dungeons are dull, very samey
towns look impressive at first glance but then you realise that you cant actually interact with any of these npcs in any meaningful way, its just skyrim style radiant quests that you pick up from a board then deliver
story cringe as fuck

>>534340340
It's grindslop.
The game makes me think of a single player MMORPG.
But to be fair the skinnerbox design does rope you in if you're not careful.

>>534340892
ya the problem is there is nothing to grind for

>>534343368
the goddess tears system seemed really, really dumb when i played, but I haven't seen a few updates. I'll come back when the story is finished and by then hopefully everything will feel more fleshed out.

The online DCSS client fucking sucks compared to the offline one. Literally the only reason people use it is so they can be parasocial and brag about their scores in a fucking 2D dungeon crawler with a few dozen pixels per enemy.

>>534351230
If there were more pixels, would that make it more worth bragging about?

>>534357228
Any weapon can death ray via scroll.

>>534351230
webtiles is fun because you can glimpse into the abyss of retards that will end every single fight with either 50 "No target in view!" messages scrolling by or a death.

>>534250970
Congrats. MuMo next? If I can make a recommendation: Transmuters. I'm currently trying to figure them out myself and they seem fun, but also kind of hard. Definitely not all forms are useful, and good analysis doesn't really exist online afaict.
>When you're invisible, you can seriously just walk into the side room and nothing will bother you. This strongly implies you don't need defense to do tomb, particularly if you have evocable invis.
Stealth is definitely it's own kind of defensive stat, but you still need to stabilize first. I can't imagine forgoing defenses in favour of stealth will boost winrate.

Good night, /rlg/

>>534366959
Draconian transmuter, my original love, actually.

Or, shapeshifter, I guess. This seems... these seem way weaker. I'm starting to suspect that unarmed combat is doing all of the work, and that my investments in shapeshifting aren't actually doing anything.

What is more able to kill an ork warlord, do you think? An iceform drake, or a normal draconian which spent that exp on more dodge/fighting/unarmed?

>>534367745
based.
>I'm starting to suspect that unarmed combat is doing all of the work
Same, it is definitely hard to get working. I'm >>534207005 (werewolf troll) and can now pretty confidently say that the form is weaker on trolls than no form at all, because the missing AC on trolls really makes a difference.
Serpent form (snake) seemed really good and ahead of the powercurve in lair branches. More HP and better defences than troll meant I could easily fight hydras in swamp.
It especially synergized with hybridization. Jumping to enemies with vhi's really helped, blink got me out of some bad situation, and ozos is almost mandatory.
>What is more able to kill an ork warlord, do you think? An iceform drake, or a normal draconian which spent that exp on more dodge/fighting/unarmed?
I definitely think the normal draconian, in my run ice form was very underwhelming. (especially in orc, were lack of mr gets you paralized so not even EV works). It might work for lair, though.
But remember that ice/fire form give wizardry effect for their respective schools, so in a way this makes the shapeshifting more experience-efficient. I want to investigate this.
Maw seems good early, an aux attack that heals you.
Fortress form gives you an acid cloud, I think this might actually be stronger than baseline fighter too in defeated heavy enemies.

>>534357228
>12 mana a turn to do what the gauntlet can do for free
>and you have to stand way out on the map perpendicular to waves
The orb is okay, but mostly for the poison attack moreso than anything else.

>>534245780
It's good for Nagas in theory. Your rPois will cancel out the -rPois; you lose innate AC and tail but you also lose the deformed mutation, and your speed very slightly impoves.

Other than that, it's probably meant to be used on heavy armor melee chars that randomly stumble on it, or shapeshifters that also found a really good heavy armor. The -rpois is theoritically manageable with flux baubles and lignification outside of the poison S-branches.

>>534379969
it's lets you skip training shields. Does it remove encumbrance too? If yes, I could see how to utilize it

>>534379969
Depressing that the best case scenario for shapeshifting forms is usually "if the downsides don't hurt your species much, and if we ignore the opportunity cost and squint, it'll look usable for a few floors."

>>534388487
It's decent at making a caster useful in melee, or giving a melee character some casting boosts. And it in theory allows you to pump one skill and use a bunch of varied forms tailored to the situation.
That is if it didn't basically mandate massive dumps into shapeshifting and unarmed, require training a bunch of secondary skills to actually do anything, and invalidate all your equipment fucking over 99% of all possible characters and locking the remaining dedicated shapeshifters into a ghetto of playing roulette hoping they get lucky with item drops they can actually use.
This is a problem with a lot of the recent changes, it seems like every ability/skill/item is tied to a specific playstyle and doesn't mesh or synergize with anything else.
One more thing in the pile of crystal plate armor as a mage and the necornomicon as literally anything but a pure necromancer.

>>534388487
>>534379969
Could it be good on Gnoll or Djinni, use the forms to narrow your focus instead of broadening it, you won't get the endgame forms as a Gnoll but you automatically make any of them work depending on the situation.
Gargoyles are also kinda interesting since they can stack the AC and ignore the poison vulnerability.

>>534358498
>he takes death ray scroll over energy pot
baka
>>534376445
>mana
>issue
maybe if your build sucks. teleport + blink + portal stones = i have global map presence
>30 poison on 3x3
nah, if you want poison there's rose and hand crossbow. druid staff if you have a propagation fetish

>>534324375
I'm failing up in college

yeek fighting high elf brawler

>>534388487
Shapeshifters are all suffering for the sins of death form. Death form is a hall pass for a large part of endgame and has minimal downsides. You're basically unlocking another equipment slot by getting your shapeshifting to 26.

>>534413297
Back in the day, I used to take figthing-skill-exclusive characters up to S branches. If you're only using fighting, then you have a use for all of those tasty weapons you've been ignoring, and you can dump your enchant weapon scrolls into a quickblade if you find one. If you find a really good artifact weapon, you can use it no matter what kind of weapon it is, meaning you have 4 times the chance of finding an early-game winning weapon.

I did this because there was a high probability I wouldn't find blade hands or dragon form before lower lair, which would basically doom a dedicated shapeshifter. Beastly appendages would also still do work for me.

I consider that transmutation was stronger than shapeshifting in the early game.

I think you're supposed to use your complete lack of armor encumbrance in order to easily afford all the low-level utility spells, but if training only fighting is superior, there's some kind of problem with that.

I was thinking about how the undead hell has units that punish the living through torment and the undead through dispell.

Suddenly I realized what statue form exists for.
No matter how slow you are, there isn't a unit in that whole hell which can do anything to a nonliving warrior.
Maybe I'll figure out the problem with that reasoning later.

Was having an excellent run. God was namelex xob through a faded alter, since god choice doesn't really matter for a shapeshifter.
He was shoving cards into my pockets faster than I could use them.

I was using maw talisman, focusing on physical skills mostly. Any time anything difficult came up, I could just spam destruction, or summoning if things looked really bad.

I found an ice portal. I figured I could switch to the ice form and it would be good.
Killed everything without issue.

Opened a door to a caustic shrike simulacrum. Was at 5 hp before I even realized this was a problem. Being an ice yak with rC++ did not protect me.

Lessons:
1. namelex is fucking baller
2. ice yak even under ideal conditions does not solve the one problem which ice yak appears to be designed to solve.

I'll still use the form, since cold vulnerability on draconians is really bad, but the yak can't be depended on for anything damage-wise.

>>533760113
Not sure if anyone else have this issue, but these things something happen even with the default gun and having scout of hades passives maxed out
>bullet disappears while trying to shoot a target that is two tiles away
>bullet opens a time-space riff ignoring the mob 3 to 4 tiles away and hits the mob that's 6 tiles away and beyond
It even happens while shooting saw discs, not even bouncing.

Lesser beckoning vs orb spider = comedy

>>534433332
nemelex makes the other gods look like absentee parents

>>534445997
Perfect for /rlg/ since they are 100% black

>>534445997
I haven't played him since they turned him from evo to invo and I doubt that, IIRC during that change they removed lots of good cards

>>534455692
While they may have removed lots of good cards, that would also mean they decreased the variance, which means it is easier to determine when pulling a card is a good move.

For instance, the only card in the deck of escape which creates distance between you and your opponent is the one haste/slow card. It's effects are not actually aimed at letting you escape currently, which means no more desperately pulling escape cards and hoping to get teleported away.

Imagine if the only card in the whole deck of escape was the wall-creating card. You would know exactly when to use it, and it would be super powerful as a result.

Variance (down) = consistency (up)

>>534445997
He kind of takes over your run though. You have to cast his cards all the time because you get so many of them, and that means you're gonna want 15+ levels of Invocations too. He's a good god for sure but I don't like picking him.

>Loot Pharmacy in DDA
>Enough of every kind of medicine to completely eliminate the need to look for more ever again
>Loot Pharmacy with the No Hope mod
>"4x Melatonin tablets" is the most there is from every fully intact, locked and untouched pharmacy
There really is no middle ground, DDA gives too much loot while No Hope leads to comical situations where zombies are more reliable for looting than stores.

uppity

>>534470191
>There really is no middle ground
You could put some kind of money-sink, like a merchant that sells unobtainable "+1" items or enchanted items to give equipment additional effects
Or maybe you could give them to some NPC to finance an expedition for them and get some kind of return if they succeed, like some quest or unique location
IDK, i don't even play DDA, does it even have NPCs or is it like Project Zomboid?

So I kinda ended up with a goofy character and think I played myself into a corner.
This troll took ponderous hat early from Gastronok and I went into Chei after finding Meph cloud too. Together with freezing cloud and a D:1 +9 halbert and archmage+wiz ring I managed to get him to D:15.
Problem is, there are no obviously good spells to go to next and I'm not sure how long frozen vapours will be able to carry this.
Is this the point were I just powerlevel unarmed combat and shield or do you see any good progression from here?

>>534327651
8 years to go from 3 runes to 15
2 months of trying to get consistent with MiFi
2 days to get a shapeshifter win

It's almost annoying how few losses it took.

Cheibriados got to full piety and +15 allstats rocked everything. I had the hermet's amulet, as you can see, so I didn't need to invest in invo. Two or three times, I had to dump piety into Slouch in order to damage a big swarm I couldn't otherwise handle. Early game, the cheep cheibriados spell that slows surrounding enemies helped out. I think it might become useless late game, but I don't know, because I stopped using it.

Lesser beckoning is amazing. It pulls summoners to you, and any kind of ranged unit. Even for melee units, this lets you pull enemies into doorways where they will block other enemies. Obviously, it helps cheibri more than most players.

Maw does damage, which is good, but the healing it gives you on kill helped considerably in longer fights.

Water form turned out to be useless, which was weird. Draconians get natural AC which they lose if they use water form, but they keep that AC in maw form.

I'm not sure how one is supposed to use serpent form. Seemed kind of ass, but someone here complemented it earlier.

Dragon form was inferior to maw form for awhile. For just a moment, in zot, it was doing so much damage that the loss of strength and resistances and evasion was worth it. Being able to simply punch an orb of fire a few times and kill it is pretty good.

Storm form hit harder than it needed to and felt cool, but ultimatly everything is worse than a well equipped vampire form, or death form. There was a narrow window where it was useful, and then it went in my back pocket and was never seen again.

Pay no mind to wyrmbane or the alchemist's hat, I got them after clearing tomb, so I just carried them out without using them

48 ev, once I had stats and skill, meant that even strong enemies had like 10% chance to hit.
Damage was ultimately the main defense stat.

>>534490407
Shapeshifter start is still ass. You're better off taking a different class and training Shapeshifting when you find a good talisman.

>>534490407
The issue is that shapeshifting doesn't come with anything you can use when you know you're weaker than the enemy. You've got a few potions, but those aren't a repeatable resource.

Good runs happened when I had a god who would account for that. Namelex let me call out hard fights before they started. Cheibriados simply killed the fight for me when I was in too deep. Oskauwa gave me a free kill on the hardest enemy if I could live long enough, and a waveclear if the fight kept going even longer.

When I was playing MiFi with okawaru, I think I was doing the same thing. The basic prayer is cheep, and +5 allskills is significant enough to turn any questionable fight into a reliable win, with very little hp lost.

So that's probably what it comes down to. My characters felt weak because I wasn't buffing them with 5 skill all the time. Makes sense.

This implies that the actual classes in DCSS aren't your damage sources, but your gods.

finally got around to playing new version of quasimorph
liking the new changes, but the new voicelines and death sounds feel so out of place and are taking me out of it
is there someway to disable them (even if it's all of them)

Can you talk about CDDA here? What about CoQ?

>>534493825
what do you think anon

>>534493825
Qud is cool but I have no desire to play it again after a few hundred hours. Dunno if the devs are ever going to add new items/mutations/cybernetics either, or if they just want to cash in at this point.

>>534494321
did you see the update on steam? they announced theyre working on expansions

>>534494698
That's cool. They have a lot of room to expand the game, and even though there are a ton of items every character just ends up using Issachar Rifle -> quest Carbine -> whatever your end game build is. They really need some more content in there to mix it up.

>>534493825
>What about CoQ?
Its getting a switch release, feels very bizarre for a roguelike to be on any console. Then again people play CDDA on mobile.

Good night, /rlg/

>>534493947
Random Dutch office lady vs Sidney Sweeny

I wish DCSS had modules that you could choose from instead of it being the same adventure every time.

Hold still

Holy shit, is hoarding assault rifles that can go full auto the new meta in quasimorph? because how the fuck else are you meant to use to deal with the mobs zerg-rushing you? specially the female ones who get three actions per turn

>>534493825
I got tired of CoQ promptly after the stable release. It offers the worst of both rogue-like and open-world RPG. The setting is great, but the procgen is ass. For a game that has been developed since 2007 I found it pretty shallow.

Funnily I started to get more into CDDA recently, and although they're completely different games but I can't help drawing comparison between it and CoQ now that it has been brought up.

Still clueless about surviving the first night (got surprised and killed by migos several times) but I'm really enjoying CDDA right now, thanks to the scenarios and random character builder.

>stealth roguelikes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH8ynu0jRvY

>>534536657
Why do females get three actions per turn

random town generation
has as much detail as you are willing to implement in it
Not limited to town, but this is what I started with. Might lead to something big, might not.

I created an ice elementalist yeti for absolute zero, since Bloatcrawl is on .25 that spells exists in it. But even after finishing elf, vault, desolation, caravan and whatever else I don't have it, I have every single fucking lvl 9 spell except that, fuck Veh too for offering fire storn, shatter and ignition
Now I'm on Zot 2 with OOF in front of me, I don't think I can kill this with Ozo's Refri or Freezing Cloud like I did with everything else, I haven't trained any other spell school either
What's the correct play here? Abyss diving to find the spell book?

>>534552050
Iirc they get an extra action and extra evasion at the expense of having less HP and being more frail in general, but it doesn't means shit when you're being blasted with a shotgun or a high accuracy weapon and you don't have high dodge% plus scouts of hades (+40% dodge passive)
They can easily induce a nasty loop where you get stunlocked to death

>>534562170
skip the oof's themselves until it starts being hard to navigate. Just staircasep peek, but don't fullclear zot 2. Finish zots 3 and 4. Push 5 until you find ooF's in it and then abandon zot.

Order of floors in general, according to difficulty, according to me

D:12, Lair5, Ork2, D:15, (2 lair rune branches), vaults 4, slime 5 (skip the boss if you can't kill it)
Decide which rune you can best get (valut/slime/abyss) and get it if you can. If you can't, don't.
Elf 3, Depths 4, zot 5 (you'll probably have to only partially push zot)
Crypt 3
Crypt is a strange one where your specific preparation can make it super easy or still difficult even at this point. The items in crypt 3 are good, and it's not actually that spooky of a floor. Just remember that you can get tormented, if living. If absolutely desperate, a small investment in necromancy can clear this with like 1 int.
Don't enter tomb unless you're willing to get teleported into the middle of 3 old ass mummies with more nearby, or you have tele-.
Valut:5 is almost always easy at this point, as is slime boss, so you've just gained access to all the easy loot rooms in the game.

So, assuming that' you've done Cyrpt3, Valut 5, Elf3, Slimeboss, hell1, and as much zot as possable, all that is left is the parts of the game where you may not be able to retreat.

>the rest of this doesn't have a true difficulty order, but instead increasing degrees of randomness which represents unmitigable risk. There's nothing "hard" about getting teleported next to a pan lord and his goons without prep time by chance.

You should be able to handle 1 hell better than the others. If you can't, don't. If you can, then take your exp and use it to do each hell in turn. The nice thing about the hells is that you get to decide if you're going to stay in them, unlike the rest.

>>534569253
In Abyss, you risk malmutation, and can't retreat properly in an emergency, but it is technically easier than anything else, even before entering the hells. After finishing hells, it should be nearly safe for you. You could have done this before depths, but really shouldn't most of the time.

Entering pan is a risk because you may find a rune which you may not have the money to purchase, but that doesn't matter for you. You're also going to be malmutated a lot. However, since any character should have most of their damage, you can technically finish anything at this point if you do it right.

Some characters, I think, can finish tomb 3 before vault 5, if you know exactly what you are doing. I haven't proven this. For normal purposes, this is the last branch in the game.

And once you've finished a 15 rune run, you should be able to handle OOFs even if you just have to punch them with your fist.

>>534569253
Why is it that when I read about DCSS I'm left feeling like its a super linier game pretending otherwise?

>>534552050
>>534568534
Oh yeah, forgot to say, the average range of sight is larger that a room's length, if you shoot an enemy beyond that, the game lets you know you're dealing 1 damage
Might as well focus on meta builds that lets you tank, there's one character you already have at the beginning which ignores infections and roughly around mars there's no danger of quasimorphs spawning so you could easily go full cannibal to not starve and grind for reputation to upgrade rewards and farm better gear.

>>534571762
bout as linear as any other rl, innit? the overall shape is always the same and you just adapt your build and micro to what shows up and spawns, or you end up gimped like anon after hard forcing something that never showed up.

>>534537003
>sexually satisfied
inaccurate

>>534562170
However, all you actually want to do is kill about 7 OOf's in a run.

99-200 hp,
20ev
20ac
inf will
rC+

Bolt of fire (3d40) (max 120) peircing pure fire damage. Deleted by freezing cloud.
Fireball: tile-targeted explosion (ignores ev) same damage as bolt.
Malmute(needs LoF)

Freezing cloud does (2d16)/2 + 5 cold, or 6-21 cold, which is reduced to 3-10.5, and then hits 20AC. It's good as a defensive measure against bolts, and that's it.

Sculpt simulacra on an orb guardian or gold dragon is probably good, but the orbs can probably oneshot multiple of them, so that's 6 mp just to buy you one turn.

Ozekebu's is max 4d30 for 7mp, so 4-120, or 2-60 through rc+. Assuming you are bodyblocking the OOF somehow, that's 1-24 or 1-42. Against 20ac, that's average 2 damage at minimum, which is insufficient, particularly since you probably don't have 100% spellpower yet. Assuming that you get full damage from ozek, that's average 30 damage hitting 10 damage reduction, and so it should die in 10 casts with 200 hp. That's doable with a potion of brilliance per Orb, but the perfect scenario is difficult to create.

Hailstorm is 3d20, with half of that being physical, and you probably DO have nearly 100% spellpower on this one. It costs 3 mp. Through rC+, it does 3-60 > 2.25-45 damage. Through 20ac, that's average 22.5 damage - 10 reduction = 12.5 damage, so that's 200/12.5 = 16 casts, which is actually doable if you can just get the orb to stand 1 space away from you or 16 turns.

Ramparts: I don't know how extra wall tiles stack, but it does 12 damage that ignores ac and armor. That's 6 per turn, or 3 through rc+. Assuming that each wall doesn't stack, that's 67 turns to kill an orb, or 17 if you can hit it with 4 wall tiles. There is no mention of spell duration on the wiki.

>>534578027

So, every ice spell
freeze: not helpful
ensorcelled: not helpful
ramparts: 6 damage, potentially 6* valid tiles. so that's either 6 or 24 damage per turn, lets say. That's 33 or 9 turns of the orb standing next to the walls.
hailstorm: 16 turns at a short distance
armor: bit of a waste of time but why not start with one
icebeast: with rc+++, it would still die if you cast an ice spell on it. Capable of body blocking, but it would also stop you from using ozo's fridge.
cloud: insufficient damage. Blocking bolts is cool.
metabolic: orb immune. May help if you force an orb guardian to bodyblock for you, though the orb of fire would just swap places with it.
simulacrum: It's extra damage, and I think immune to ice, but would die instantly and takes too much setup time.
ozocubus fridge: 10 turns and deletes any allies which aren't cold immune.

Final note, ramarts didn't end when you moved in .25, but I don't know when it does end. So, lets assume ramparts deals only 6 average per turn.

You've got rF+++, because you need it. Orb does 24 damage spells to you at 80% reduction. You've probably got some ac, but not that much. You probably have a magic regen amulet someplace, so you've got like 1 mana per 4 turns or something I don't know. I'm going to assume you've got a wand of digging, or that a good location exists someplace on this floor. Summon butterflies is a level 1 spell. Even just from spellcasting and int, you can probably hit the spellpower cap. Assuming you use a hallway, this is 8 enemies the orb has to kill to reach you. Fire bolt potentially does that instantly, but fire ball only kills 3 at most, and melee kills 1 per attack. It should take the enemy more than 4 turns on average to kill the butterflies. I wanted to argue that this could work with ramparts, and maybe it could, but it also lets you get in an occasional hailstorm when everything ends up in just the right spaces, and then still retreat past your hallway butterflies.

>>534578170


SO

1. Dig a triangle into the walls
2. Summon butterflies while retreating
3. Occasionally place a frozen ramparts where you've got enough extra space that you won't get hit for it
4. move past the ramparts and summon again so that you've got cover
5. attempt to keep the orb on the ice tiles, but don't blow too much mp on it
6. very rarely, hit the orb with hailstorm when it doesn't cost you any butterflies or leave you unprotected
7. your caster evasion and rf+ should defend against the bolts of fire, which are the only thing that should be hitting you.
8. when your enemy is beaten down enough, when you're ready, cast ozo's fridge on repeat until dead
9. with like 4 mp left, you should still be able to retreat in case shit goes wrong, so do this near a staircase

note: this will not work on any other version of the game, only ver .25. Make sure you have room to spawn enough butterflies

What actually IS your regen with an mp regen amulet, by the way?

>>534500824
Now play nethack on it

dead general

>>534605751
/rlg/ is a roguelike, constant death is expected

>>534605751
Bright Nights keeps withholding shit I need to make good screenshots, it's hard out here

I'm hooked on the new gacha Rogue-Lite; anyone else playing it? Its on Steam? Its a copypaste visual from Overwatch but its just Rogue-lite; it's called Terminull Brigade

>>534611623
no

>>534611623
Must everything be made into gacha to survive in this capitalist hellhole? You can't just make a good game without putting gamble boxes in it?

*force crash rlg*

Thank you, Zesus for disabling this ""feature"" of the game.

>>534624875
... what, do you not want to be protected?

few elin questions
played for about 20hrs now and restarted a few times
i kinda get the game but few things im wondering

the god stuff, am i meant to just carry around offererings to my god in the hope that i run into their shrine, or is there a way to make a shrine at home?
combat is kinda boring, its basically just autoplay until you die then grind more so you can autoplay? what does lvling up strategy actually do?

Any CDDA player minds telling me wtf is going on with CDDA? From what I'm reading they removed cool stuff and caused a splitter fork called last generation??

>>534638665
TLG wants to add more realism autism, so they also removed some unrealistic autism (tranny socks everywhere), also the CDDA lead Kevin is in their discord every day anyways so it's basically a nothingburger

>>534640283
Do you think its better, which one do you use?

>>534625715
I do want to be protected from the garbage ass malmutate spam, that is why I am thanking Him.

>>534627401
For shrines you have to find a shrine of luck, it's the lightest shrine of them all at 40lbs, you can pick it up and take it home. Once it's home you can convert it by offering an appropriate item to the god you wish to worship, so ores for earth and whatnot, but doing this has a chance of getting divine punishment for a short bit. Just wait out the divine punishment if you fail and do it again, if you try to rush it and fail twice while you are debuffed then you will instantly die to smite damage.
>What does strategy even do
The strategy skill effects your max damage (cannot exceed your natural max roll) while doing auto combat, you can also change your strategy type under your character sheet. Fighter will only melee, tank will taunt. Archer will only used ranged when possible and try to back up every so often, predator will use everything. Try to be careful using disabled or casting strategy until you have a really high amount of spells or else your strategy will try to autocast sound bolts or earthquakes on yeeks.
>is there ever a reason to do this
Autocombat has a really good chance to avoid a fatal blow, and will eat some stamina to leave you at 0 hp assuming you aren't instagibbed past your stamina which you can either teleport away or drink a potion. good for seeing how strong an enemy is if you aren't sure you can take them.

>>534624875
Is that DF adventure mode?

>>534640682
TLG is more fun on the basis that its harder overall with stuff like basic zombie evolutions showing up day 1 rather than 1-2 weeks later. In DDA a bayonet or meat cleaver are easy to find and are the best weapons until end game crafts, while TLG rebalanced weapons so that it isn't just USMC bayonet the entire time.
TLG > DDA

>>534640682
I would personally use TLG between the two as of this moment, I played them both for hours recently but the split was also very recent. TLG intends to split much further.

>>534640840
Also the 0 hp only applies to the attack that the enemy does, it wont save you when there are multiple enemies around since they will just slap you before the turn ends. Only gauge strength on strong enemies when they are alone.

>>534640864
dcss

>>534641327
>>534641360
Thank you, TLG it is then

First time playing CoQ and I walked into a clam and was teleported to a city inhabited by giant frogs and saw picrel in a saloon.

>>534651413
spongebob reference

>>533616284 (OP)
What's the latest and greatest roguelike? Cataclysm bores me now.

>>534651413
I played 90 hours but the last time I played CoQ was 7 years ago, for good reason.

>>534640840
thankyou
also so
theres no way to forge better weapons yet?
like the best i can make is stone shit then i just need to do dungeons/hit up merchants for better?

>>533616284 (OP)
can I help you
not to hurt
anymore?

>>534660313
elin

>>534669061
Alright, going to play it

Colossal pain in the ass.
Anroth is just an rng crapshoot where you just hope you get a good weapon and shield early enough to actually use.

Spider goodness.

Shit, did elin patch the copper scrap to bone tech

>>534682001
Okay nevermind, I was crafting the wrong thing. Copper nails still yield bones

>>534682726
>disassemble copper
>get bone
huh

>>534683005
The hammer breaks the game in hilarious ways. The most popular realization coming from ways to look for infinite fishing bait.
The more game breaking stuff includes disassembling flowers to get "raw food" leaves. Which you can make arrows out of to get edible arrows. You compost the arrows to get fertilizer, then disassemble the fertilizer to get infinite corpses. Lots of them being harmful stats that you can turn into bait but also a good number of corpses with +str stats that you can cook for food that doesn't spoil since it's made out of soil. Very good for feeding your villagers or stockpiling on your companions so you dont have to remember to feed them so often. Although this was nerfed pretty significantly in the more recent patches, it's still pretty notable.
The hammer is also able to transmutate materials into completely unintended crafting materials if you're autistic enough to find out what does what.

I don't know if anyone still plays Crawl anymore but does anyone know how Tension affects % success rates of accuracy or hexes or whatever? I had a 31% chance to paralyse with a wand against a "lethal" threat enemy and it failed 10 times in a row. I know it's anecdotal but it feels like in tough situations your success rate is much worse than it is normally and I was wondering if the game is intentionally "lying" about things.

>>534561207
Cool

>>534686760
just skimming the code, the only things that use that use get_tension() are: singing sword, briagh challenge timing, chei and trog wraths, warden door locking in vaults, and xom

I've had my best splat yet on a MuNe of Kiku and I finally figured out what my problem with Necormancy is.
It's just not fun, like at all. It's slow, and tedious, and risky, and requires large amounts of preperation to make work.
And for what? To get assraped by situations where any other character with even half the skills put into their main abilities doesn't even notice as they instantly kill everything.
Like I'm getting chased down and killed by things other mages blast in a single hit and martials can tab through, and at a record 1/10th the usual speed.
Am I missing something here?

which mutation line should i try next
spider or chiropteran

Is there a way to reliably burn large amount of corpses on CDDA? Its very useful when you are raiding dangerous places and the stamina/time you have is limited.

Even just making a fire pit with wood as fuel takes too much time to set up, roughly 20 minutes for 5 planks, that time and the stamina cost is not worth it.

>>534706189
setting fire to maltasses should be enough to get a good fire going, no?
might have to disassemble it first

>>534707018
Do you mean mattresses? I will try it out.

>>534707018
It worked on a miner corpse pile of about eight, thanks.

>>534676112
>hope you get a good weapon and shield early enough to actually use
Instead of buffing your weapon you can just use Anroth to get 120 willpower at the start of the game. Eresh 3rd prayer can clear enough stages to get a ton of early stats when you allocate the prestige class.

>>534669061
fuck, it's not for gog

wanna nipple

Anyone got that gif/webm of the asians arguing over CDDA and CBN?

I'm a dumb nigger btw

>>534696406
spider

>>534692864
Love it when you don't get dispel undead at 3* and the run is over.

>>534720524
no you're not

>>534692864
nigromancers get what they deserve

>>534720524
niggers are white now

how does the cycle stuff work in path of achra?

>Got baited into trying the korean DCSS fork (kimchi)
>Wu jian lunge doesn't work with the Hydra species
Fucking why?

>>534732621
Every cycle adds more stats to the monster. It basically builds on their strengths, like tanky monsters get tank stats and speedy monsters get speed+damage stats. You level up faster with every cycle too.

The most dangerous part is that status effects are applied in larger stacks on higher cycles. Instead of getting 5 stacks of Scorch put on you, you'll get 50 stacks of Scorch and repeatedly burn to death until your willpower purges it, or you'll get 50 stacks of Freeze and be reduced to your minimum speed.

>>534734854
Wjc code is fucky. They probably have to specifically code in that compatibility.

Live

We can do this all day /rlg/

yeah, it's not like you have anything better to do with your life.

>>534776502
I do. I'm working on my ragulike.

Might've, might've. You never know unless you try mind you.

The constant summoning just takes my fun out of Frog

>>534801219
What chink show/movie is this? This is some Three Kingdoms shit?

>>534801938
>[frog's gameplay] just takes my fun out of Frog
crazy

Three kingdoms Roguelikes?

>>534809918
Best I can do is Three Kingdoms mod for Total War Medieval 2

All of you are old enough to have a family and children by now.

>>534810574
yeah, but i'm a loser so what now smart guy?

>>534804529
It's the 2010 Three Kingdoms.

>>534810574
maybe next run

>read any morgue file
>12+ skill points in evocations
>player evoked a single time past level 6
I love the evo tax.

>>534810574
rlg is my family!

>>533631792
Literally the same build as you

>>534824823
I hereby disown you.

>>534824782
Takes more button presses to evoke items, and DCSS is already too long if you tab through it.

>>533633236
That is cool. I might try it now. My crack is infra arcana and door in the woods, sometimes aliensrl/doomrl.

>>533852405
Smoke weed everyday but medicinally dood

>>533972471
Lolol I do believe you are 100% black.

>>533616284 (OP)
I really don't understand the point of Oni. Their whole description focuses on their racial ability... which is getting a free cleaving attack when drinking health potions or potions of curing. Wow. Amazing. Because everyone knows there's SO many times throughout a playthrough where getting a cleaving attack from drinking a potion (of heal/cure) will make a huge difference.

It isn't even that it's a bad passive, just it's nothing nearly significant enough that I feel like it justifies an entire race or being the defining point of a race. I mean just consider how underwhelming that feels when compared to Demonspawn, Felid, Octopode, Djini, Naga, Draconian, Spriggan, Poltergeist, Mummy, Coglin, Gnoll, Deep Elf, etc. Basically every other race in the game has some attribute or ability that sharply defines how you'll interact with the dungeon and shapes your playthrough. Then we have Oni, which has the grand ability of... attacking enemies when driking potions. This realistically amounts to maybe 30 or so turns throughout the entire game where you get an attack that you otherwise wouldn't have. The attack might still miss, or be blocked, or do no damage.

>>533972471
Did you know most roguelikes you can use vi keys? No numpad required

>>534853049
The point of Oni is massive health pool, +3 invo apt and buffed Mahkleb. New destruction has a flat health cost and no piety.

>>534853049
Throwing large rocks is a more relevant species ability than attacking when you drink a potion.

>>534810574
Yes and I want them to experience some rougelikes (the wife and children) and I need them to play test the rougelikes I make while I make them.

Good night, /rlg/

>>534872883
good night my melatonin enriched friend

Odds - kms
Evens - play roguelike
Prime - try again

>>534885246
unlucky

dcss 0.24
in what cases do i get less exp per kill?
half exp when summon gets a kill?
half exp when you kill something out of field of view (fufilment prism kills)?
do i get exp using elyvion's 'heal other' when an animal just wanders around and gets itself kill? is it half exp when the humanoid exits the level?
do i get exp if i confuse a monster and then he attacks a monster and gets himself killed?
do i get exp if i drop a bomb on a level (fuliment prism) and then take stairs out of the level?

im looking for tips on squeezing out the most exp i can per dungeon level. is there somewhere on the wiki or reddit that i can read up on this topic? thank you, sirs.

Is coffee good for you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-kryug_X2Y

>>534890360
There is a wiki but no one is going to update a wiki just for the specific version you're playing. Summons in old versions do steal exp, but other than that you never really have to worry about exp penalties in the corner cases.

Lads in cdda TLG how do you survive long term? I saw the changelog of the fork and it says that it nerfed food spawns immenesly, but I remember surviving for a long ass time in old cdda by scavenging like a plague and moving from one city to another, forever finding "Fresh" food.

> Played Elin
>20+ years old little girl
Explain this shit

>>534921793
He doesn't know about the 27 years old little girl (male)

>>534921793
All life died on the planet and then a mushroom God that was floating through space landed there, recreating life based only on its rather poor and incomplete understanding. As a result it thought things like little girls, adults, etc were different things. Basically you have to treat little girls as an entirely separate race essentially. It didn't know that people age and change so they're born as a littlr kid or a full grown adult and remain that way their entire lives. This is also why everything lays eggs and why otherwise impossible combinations are able to breed.

Playing quasimorph's latest build in normal and every mission within the first hour of playing is devolving into
>get jumped by 30-50 mobs within the first fucking hour
>if you don't have a rifle or a shotgun then you're fucked
>if you have then you're missing ammo
>if you're not missing ammo then you're missing food and you're about to starve to death
>if you're not missing either then RNG just fucked you up as you get shot in the stomach, preventing you from eating, not only that, only insta-healing will fix it yes you can spend 20+ healing items and the wound will still remain unhealed
>have to cheese the game with soldier+class combo that gives 100% dodge rate

>>534929916
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KfwiK3f8ck

some more examples of the town generator I worked on
the arrow-looking room at the bottom is the exit, which always spawns

>go into 25 different nefias with a steel shovel, a big tent and hammock and proceed to dig out every single last fucking brick stone floor possible
>haul out over 4,000 bricks
>Still no fucking brick stone floor recipe learned
I am about to lose it.

>>534948491
can you learn the recipe by breaking them with a hammer?

https://ylvapedia.wiki/wiki/Elin:Items

>If you destroy the target item with a hammer, pickaxe, shovel, etc., and the difference between the the recipe level and skill level is no lower than 5, you may get the recipe.

>If the corresponding recipe has already been learned, an unlearned recipe in the same category can be learned at random.

>If you get a recipe for the floor, you will also get a recipe for the corresponding platform.

>>534935360
very nice anon, ya dun good

thats not a rocket

>>534931291
Specific wounds now need specific items to heal them. Broken bones, fractures, and contusions need splints, plastics or something that holds the limb in place. Bleeding, and deep wounds need bandages and rags.
It's predominantly bloat but it was an indirect nerf to tunnel rats being able to heal indefinitely for no cost. However on the upside, medikits and first aids now stack AND have multiple charges, so you can pump out an unreal amount of medikits and use them 5 times per slot, with a stack of 3 ( i think is the default cap) you have 15 charges of heal and stabilize all wounds per single slot.
First thing you should do on a new run is go on some low difficulty missions against melee factions and harvest as much human flesh/meat as you can so by the time you run your next mission, it will be spoiled, letting you stockpile on good healing.

anyone here played slash'em extended?
it seems like a shitpost but i like the amount of freedom it gives you to create weird ass characters

>>534959327
>First thing you should do on a new run is go on some low difficulty missions against melee factions and harvest as much human flesh/meat as you can so by the time you run your next mission, it will be spoiled, letting you stockpile on good healing.
new to quasimorph, how do i make healing items out of spoiled human flesh?

>>534961657
>>534963239
what's the matter guys? you can tell me

>>534965468
How do you feel about stiletto heels and scat mr not the am(ale)y

>>534965886
i've literally never played this before and know almost nothing about it
what's the scoop anon

there any negative effects of this occuring? seems like these psychos just kill everyone dangerous and make the mission easier

>>534853049
>Felid
didn't they get rid of their Pounce ability like 5 years ago?

I miss the amy

>>534960759
Spoiled meat is one of the three items required to craft medkits in your ship conveyor belt you access by pressing I while at the ship to pull up the inventory. The three key items you want to hoard a fuckton first thing are rags and plastic, both of which are gained from disassembling clothing, and the aforementioned meat.
Craft bandages, then craft splints, and antibiotics with your stockpiled resources, and all three of those will allow you to pump out medikits.

>>534973224
At this point the entire Felid gimmick is that you're weak as shit but you get extra lives, and you get an extra life at level 1. So Felid and Troll are the "best" races just because you don't insta game over to a level 1 gnoll pack.

>>534973575
who?

man this general is so dead

>>534974642
thanks, ill grab some. thatll save a few slots in inventory too

Been trying to figure out exactly how much good "fighting" is doing in terms of max hp.

There's a formula on the wiki, but the results it gives me do not perfectly match the numbers I'm getting in game. Since the math can't be trusted, probably due to mid-step integer rounding, the only way to know for sure is to test it in-game.

So I'm running an octapode of fighting, exclusively, and desperately trying to get it to level 27 fighting so that I can fill out this table I've made with max hp data. So far, my best is skill-level 23 at XL 14. I'm starting as an air mage.

>>534999753
this sort of number lookup stuff is the legitimate use of wiz mode

>>535004439
I could download the game and download wizmode, or I could get a fighting-only squid down to snake 3. Which one do you think will teach me more about the game?

>>535004739
But you only want to know a value for one number: the max HP at x levels. So just cheating to get there is faster and gets you the info sooner. Of course it's harder without doing that and doing it the normal way will teach you more in general about the game. But why would you see any value in struggling to get there when you aren't doing it for a genuine challenge?

>>535004739
probably the former because you can get the data in a few mins and spend the rest of the time playing real builds

wake the fuck up rlg

I wish BN stopped being contrarian fags and implemented nested containers already.

Shadowed: the Demon Castle of Ooe is going to come out into 1.0 this weekend! If you like IA, games with lots of build choices like Maj'Eyal, medieval japan, cool stealth, and interesting levels and enemies, check it out. Definitely not the dev btw.

>>535011771
>I wish BN was more like DDA
then go play DDA for your jerrycans stuffed with magazines and frozen water, retard

imagine playing cata without containers lmao
cavemen

>>534662585
Elin encourages you to dungeon dive for better gear. But if you want to make specific gear out of a specific material.... oh boy, you have to enter into the realms of hammer disassembly alchemy

you turn things into different things (for example, metal logs, raw food grass, or dark matter stones) by messing with crafting + hammer disassembly of a specific crafted item that will result to a byproduct carrying the same material. It's absurd but this is how you get eventually acquire dark matter tools / equipment

bn is back to adding cool updates which is great but trying to keep track of it and tlg will make my brain drip out my nose

>>535016236
and tlg is just starting to move on from balancing to adding content

>>535016236
>>535016491
>Meanwhile DDA is struggling to get 0.I into testing release phase over some UI issues
grim.

>>535016747
DDA is in clowntown

Roguelikes with this premise?

>>535017173
you can probably do that in slex

>>534973575
happens only to people who never met him.

What an absolute meme of a run. Crow Visage + Astrohunting causing me to blink around the entire screen killing everything in a single stand still. Originally intended to beat final boss by stacking Scorch, but turns out it wasn't needed because Aim stacking so much Mark it scaled my damage so fast I killed him in one turn.
Still feels like I only won because I was never forced to go against enemies with some kind of retaliation.

>>535044784
I hate how that kind of build ends up in random spots if you don't statcheck the whole level. Sometimes you can just randomly die.

New RLs doko?

>>534853049
It's just ogre with horns and the gimmick ability. The only large choices you have is it and the troll so it's troll but without the wild specialization so you can be a mage or fighter or hybrid or whatever

>>534931291
grenades and molotovs my dude

>>534972487
it ramps up the q meter but yeah It's generally a plus. There's just too few events in beta so you can get it twice in the same mission which is awkward.

>>535026543
should i play slex

>>535062991
you should have sex

>>535068993
it's funny because slex is one letter away from sex

>>535069364
And you can only play ONE of them in your life, choose wisely.

>>535080352
well i've already had sex many times so i think it's time to consider playing slex

>install slex.exe
>console window pops up for a split second
Chat, am I cooked?

>>535086982
Anon warned you. You got flagged as a sex haver and it's too late now.

>https://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Sapher/morgue-Sapher-20250209-121921.txt
>22-25
>0 attacks
>a dozen offensive spells, abilities, and consumables combined.
Somebody please explain.

its out(in early access)
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3126530/Jupiter_Hell_Classic/

>>535089090
>escaped with 15 runes and orb
>+0 war ax (heavy)
Ah, a man after my own heart.

>Magic: 58/67 at the moment of escape
>highest def stat is SH
SH isn't forceable. You don't get probable tower shields with an ego until vaults 5. As such, this isn't the primary method of survival for the whole game.
If magic didn't have time to regenerate, that means the player wasn't passive enough to wait around after a kill, was in a rush, valued movment.

Checking, they read a lot of blink scrolls on the way up, on account of having a lot of blink scrolls. They had a lot of scrolls because they did a zig. They also got their shield in pan. They used passwall and shatter and translocations to simply avoid problems.

They did tomb after vaults, and then zig after tomb, before doing pan or hell. They probably used their ability to break walls in order to avoid the full force which tomb can hit you with. They had an investment in fire magic, which helps a lot with tomb 3. With all the scarabs deleted by fire, it should be possable to use passage of glorbula to escape tomb 3, but I don't know. Doing tomb/zig before hell implies they knew what they were doing.

>used arbalist 484 times
Not sure what you want me to explain. They used physical attacks a bunch of times, just not often as a main weapon, other than this. Their spells were built around creating distance between them and the enemy and then chipping away.

They really loved their gravitamborine.

>>535014016
You don't have to backport DDA implementation you know. Just something similar so your inventory size isn't some magical hammerspace that adds together two fanny packs and drop leg pouch to fit a baseball bat.

>>535093019
>Not sure what you want me to explain. They used physical attacks a bunch of times
There weren't that many words in my post man, how did you miss half of them?

Anyway, the notes cleared up why he needed so few game actions to go from 22-25.

>>535015565
Huh I remember being able to make stone derived ingots or was it the other way around, that chart tells me it's not possible.

>>535028663
I know hes a faggot but it was still nice to see him post progress on his autismo simulator every now and then

>>535095308
Disregard me I'm an idiot, you make a tool from ingot and hammer it to get a stone of starting ingot material.

>>535095104
22 - 25 what?

I'm still somehow missing words in your post.
It is a mystery how such a thing could be happening.

>Jupiter Hell Classic launches
>Looks like it's just DoomRL with JH skin currently with the goal to expand it and add new shit over early access
>I care less about JH skin than I do DoomRL skin
>I'm still waiting for more updates to regular JH
For someone who isn't opposed to paying for ragu I am feeling like skipping JHC

>>535096027
personally I think jupiter hell looks ugly so I was eagerly awaiting classic

>>535094958
How about no.

>>535050442
Once you've got a few hours under your belt you learn what enemies to avoid for your current build, e.g. if you're a frail summoner you want to avoid enemies that use the Zap skill since it chains between units.
Though no matter what there are two sections where you don't have a choice in the matter. Pic related where my build to sack summons went against these fucks who hit me for 30k damage with 100% accuracy which bypasses 90% of armour and block.

Ok who knows how exactly murcury arrow works?
It does poison, but the interesting bit is that it inflict weakness that doesn't check rPoi. Is it just an MR check? An HD check? What? Is it based on spell power, or flat like mephetic?

>>535099682
I've gotten trolled by Orchid Wretches plenty of times. Any melee build gets bullied hard on open maps, even if you resist the astral damage.

>>535096027
Bethesda should just pay the guy and actually make doomrl the game it was supposed to be instead of acting like faggots

>>535106105
I don't disagree in the slightest. Especially since they're willing to cough up a few bucks for those Nightdive remasters. Would likely mean he'd have to pull the free copy of DoomRL since I doubt Bethesda would want that left up for free if they made it official, but I'd still be happy for the guy to get a bag of money and his game listed in official Doom canon

>>535096027
they added the drl skin to the jhc workshop if that does anything for you
i just bought it because i want more drl updates

>>535096027
>>535107007
One big difference between DRL and JHC so far is level/branch structure, DRL special level are inserted between levels like vaults, JHC special branches are alternatives that replace normal levels.

>>535107565
There's also new enemies, since they aren't bound to the doom enemy set in this version. Pr perhaps it's "there will be new enemies in later updates.", haven't checee.

>>535106707
I think it was such a dumb business move to threaten that guy instead of making money with a game that already had a fanbase. Do they hate thinking outside of the box to make money? Does every Doom game have to be generic shit? Roguelikes also had a boom years ago and they just shit all over making money from this, it's crazy to me.

>>535060956

>>535012064

>>535107007
>>535107565
>>535118986
Alright alright, maybe I'll pick it up. Even though I'm salty since I've been waiting for those updates to JH he's had on his roadmap for years I guess I've played and enjoyed enough DRL I shouldn't be precious over $11. Especially since god knows when Darkgod's going to give us THE FUCKING DINOSAURS. Considering that $5 Rift Wizard too, thought it might be bundled but at this point I've got doubts

>>535107565
Huh, interesting

whats the best nethack variant?

THIS GODDAMN PORNOGRAPHIC RIFT WIZARD BOX ART IN STEAM YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A DRAGON LICKING A WIZARD'S HAT LIKE THAT THAT'S HOW YOU GET THE CREDIT CARDS AFTER YOU

>>535129549
Alright I was bitching too much about losing the Doom theme, the JH sprites are very well done and I'm enjoying it a lot. Even if I wish he'd knock out those last few things on his roadmap for regular JH I'm glad he'll be working on this for a while since as always the combat's great

>>535121795
Looks cool but it's not free

>>535015565
Is this for real? You actually do some material conversion shit with a hammer?

>Current DDA experimental spawns zombies deers constantly
>Slightly older experimental had frequent spider nests to the point driving was annoying due to them crowding roads
>Even older experimental had colossal slugs everywhere, including in towns
is it a dev thats trolling or is it just that those worlds had a strange bias

Even though I'm enjoying this I have to say I'm having a fucking mental breakdown because he's using terms from both DRL and JH and they'll be in JHC and different from both of the other games but just similar enough that I lose my sanity. Like I just went down the rabbit hole on army of darkness in JHC having multiple tiers and largely functioning like it does in JH instead of DRL except it boosts shotguns and chainsaws, and then I had a meltdown because I thought it covered rocket launchers in DRL but no, that was how it was in JH

So far all the branches have felt like JH branches too, and JH branches play well but so many of the DRL branches were so goddamn flavorful and JH never had anything like that. Hopefully DRL branches still exist and I've just been unlucky, or hopefully he brings back some more goofy themed branches. Considering how much he patched JH and how much it improved over EA and post launch I expect this will probably get the bajesus tweaked out of it but right now I'm definitely missing more of those themed DRL maps. Having the bruiser brothers was a treat after no wall or arena or anything. But then again maybe he's ditching those since they were guaranteed item locations and he's trying to make it so you can't always count on a branch giving you access to something? I don't know. I should just go shoot more demons instead of typing this

>>535147915
Why are you still playing DDA?

would you guys recommend the Shiren the Wanderer games? Ive only played a bit of pokemon mystery dungeon but i thought it was pretty easy. There is one on steam and i thought id give it a try.

>>534975415
This is why I play delver, don't have to worry about getting ganked by D:1 bullshit.

>>535157152
If you like mystery dungeon games, I don't see why not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XpDyJrQk-4
roguelike

/rlg/, I haven't played CDDA since years and I am on TLG now, and I come to you with a couple of questions:

The nail bat says that it can be holstered into a belt with the proper clip. The fuck is that?
Left the shelter and went to the nearest car where after some looting found a nice, working car. Brought it back to the shelter to read and rest and while doing so, some zambies kept showing up, which I believe are the same as the ones I killed. Do they actually follow you THAT far now?

>>535175421
new prompt : stop talking about CDDA, start new conversation about real roguelikes

>Wandering around a house looking for a forge and doors to small forges
>Walk near the stairs in a nook
>Boldog comes up the stairs
>Engulfed and trapped by his pack on spawn
>He rolls a nat 20 for his accuracy bonus
>Swings for 89% of his max double crit damage
>Explodes me for my max health in a single blow
>Had just found a damage boosted longsword and battle-axe on the previous floor
>A light and heavy gondolin weapon and a meme doriath great spear so I'm set for most of the game even with weaker combat skills
>Just wanted to smith triple boosted artifact gear as a bad meme and be happy
As soon as you do smiths, archers, thieves or other unstable builds over a diesel hitdudes build it's like the stairs know their new mission in life is to fuck your vulnerable ass.

>>535130549
There isn't one. Play any of the vanilla bugfixes with minimal changes like Nethack 4.
Dynahack, UnNethack, and Fourk for content+bugfix mods with emphasis on try out Dynahack.
Slash'em extended if you're looking for more and don't care if it's a clown fiesta
Play on the public server or the post-grifter return of vanilla if you care.

Since you're in the area you may as well see if you like Brogue, Brogue CE, Pixel Dungeon, any of the millions of Pixel Dungeon forks.
Sil and Sil-Q
Tome4, Frogcomposband, Elona+, and that active Elona+ fork if those games are more your speed

Do villagers in elin leave you if they dislike you enough? I think I'm missing a snow putit from my roster because it kept getting killed 24/7

>>535181948
lmao2con

I've embarrassed myself again today
It's okay, when I make mistakes I learn something every time

>>535181948
Don't get surrounded.
Should've raged in that situation.

>>535099969
If the github repo is still public you can search for when it was added then just look at the checks to know if it's HD, MR, etc.. Stopped caring about that hot mess ages ago.

>>534692864
Decades of nerfs went hard. The gutting combined with the checks on most of the spells left over was just oof.

>>535186639
No that was the funny part. The stair is under boldog's tile and boldog and the other orc uniques generate with a pack. Normally that's cool fine whatever they spawn and fuck about the floor. The problem was I was on the adjacent tile to the stairs and in that nook there wasn't enough open floor for the pack of orc warriors to spawn. So one moment I'm in an empty house checking the nook for a door to a small forge, the next turn I'm engulfed by the freshly spawned boldog and 11 orc warriors.
I was trying to save rage turns by swapping on my better shield and gondolin axe so I could rage whirlwind a hole to escape through with the instakills and gondolin fear overwhelming their boosted pack morale.
Boldog's the meme build killer since he has high damage sides for this phase of the game so it only takes a nat 20 like he got to chunk the player. You can't just hide behind heavy armor and low evasion with a gondolin weapon for free up XP for other skills like you can for orc champions. Since he got flanking bonuses from the warriors that spawned behind me and I was down 1 con from smithing the warmth cloak it was so over. Hit nat 20 accuracy roll and hitting for exact max hp despite my heavy armor was hilarious.

>>535154794
Switching to BN is like asking a current day person to live innawoods. I'm sure some people are fine with that but it's not for me.

>>535189994
What about TLG? Isn't it the new hip thing to play?

>>535175421
>The nail bat says that it can be holstered into a belt with the proper clip. The fuck is that?
Probably like a MOLLE strap or just a tool belt
>Do they actually follow you THAT far now?
Maybe, it could be a wandering horde if you have em enabled or they followed your scent trail since maybe TLG re-enabled normal zombies to smell you or they could just be normal zombies in the area that were just chilling and came over.

>>535183391
probably stick with dynahack and slex for now, i wish slex had nicer ui
also brogue is too simple for me, i like frog and mean to play more, and i don't like that sil is tied down to the middle-earth setting

>>535206628
Gameplay-wise Sil and Sil-Q's the best we got so keep them in your back pocket for when you're looking for a break.

>>535208296
what's so great about sil's gameplay?

>>535211381
It's got good granularity with a ton of viable options that affect how you play.
Flanking brawlers dancing around the room racking up evasive bonuses and numerous attacks of opportunity
Berserkers charging in and crushing enemies with a massive blow and whirlwind attacks striking everyone in range and hitting again when it kills something
Polearm users planting their weapon for a bonus attack against approaching enemies, knocking the enemy back, and repeating in a controlled retreat zoning and whittling down the enemies
Subtlety users forgoing protection to blast enemies down with a flurry of crit slashes
Assassins sneaking through rooms, executing the weak and abusing cruel blow's confusion to disorient and gnaw the stronger enemies to death
Singers leveraging utility to leverage the enemy's weaknesses or bolster their own offense, regeneration, or protection. Even silencing shouts, finding hidden doors and clearing traps.
Elbereth archers ccing enemies and fleeing when they can't manage, archer smiths augmenting, a journeyman simply opening with a flurry of arrows then fighting in melee, versus a pure archer putting it all on the peak shot.
Diving thieves siphoning up the loot and escaping and pacifists being sick freaks
The broad spectrum of smiths from all-in snowballing smiths, double-boosted armor smiths securing their early game, to dabblers making the most of regen and horns or the consistency of guaranteed resists and saves.
And many many more

>>535211381
>>535218028
Stat/xp investment being across 4 stats, 8 skills, and a crapton of abilities from each skill tree creates a lot of headroom for distinct gameplay experiences especially pushed to their extremes.
The combat system works on dice with a trend for lighter weapons having less dice but higher sides like 1d12 and heavier weapons having more dice but lower sides like 3d7 and often accuracy penalties. A weapon can gain 1 side of damage per 1.0lb of weapon weight. 0.5lb So a with momentum. A crit adds an additional die of damage per level of crit so 3d7>4d7>5d7 and so on. Each level of crit starts out at rolling 7+weapon weight over the enemy's evasion roll. Later on through subtlety one-handing 1-h weapons like a 1.0lb sharpness shortsword it's only 4+weapon weight letting builds quickly rack up 7+ crits to turn a 1d11 damage into an 8d11 damage roll. Meanwhile enemies have some good spread that deepens as the game goes on. Evasive enemies, highly armored enemies, trolls and their huge regenerating HP sacks. It's something you really notice when you first start encountering the tanky kemenraukos. You get some nudges to adjust your approaches instead of just locking tab.

>>535183391
>Pixel Dungeon, any of the millions of Pixel Dungeon forks
i think shattered is the most popular one now right? i play shattered its very fun

>>535211381
>>535218202
The stealth system is decent letting you avoid bad matchups and out of depth monsters. For example, around 500' deep giants and whispering shadows show up. Giants hit super hard and have a lot of hp so they can be risky to subpar combat investment but they're also blind as fuck so a mild stealth investment will let you juke them. Whispering shadows are breeders that are also blind as fuck, with stealth you wont turn rooms and vaults into a darkened hellscape. On the other hand Wargs, spies, and so on are relatively perceptive so if you neglect stealth and stomp around in heavy armor you can end up drawing nearby patrols onto yourself. In addition, unwary enemies only roll with half their evasion score and sleepers have their evasion set to -5 for a huge reward. Especially for stealthy builds.
Like another neat thing you can do is find or make a horn of thunder which applies a short -2 skills debuff to the enemies that fail a willpower roll against your willpower. It makes a huge ass racket but at the same time provides a massive pseudo-xp bonus from depressing the enemy's skill levels and making them more manageable to kill. Reaching crit breakpoints, helping heavy weapons hit consistently to chew it to death, drive them off with elbereth or a horn of terror so you can sprint and vanish from an OOD/unique fight and so on.
The willpower system gives you more to work with for enemies. On one hand you might try to fight 11 orcs, trolls and cat warriors straight up but due to their low will you can use debilitating effects and consumables to even the fight out.

>>535211381
>>535218424
The morale system lets you use light against light fearing monsters, slaying weapons, Elbereth, and other fear inducing items to dictate the flow of battle if you invested, made, or found the stuff for it. Even just knowing you can unnerve a pack by carefully selecting who to explode with decisive blows to break the pack's morale so you can pick them off. It gives you more tactical depth to respond to unexpected bad situations. Other monsters are unintelligent so you can split up a pack accordingly then trap them behind doors to make it more manageable.
Light level in general gives some interesting situations. A number of enemies generate an unnatural darkness or darken the existing light in the room. And since enemies you can't see get to roll against only half of your evasion and accuracy it's a pretty brutal penalty that raises the strategic choice to avoid them, go around them, misdirect and lose them somewhere else on the floor, prepare your equipment/build for them and so on. God bless the double OOD shadow spider jumpscare.
XP is given both on sight and kill and decays per instance so you're not as punished for builds that aren't poor combat or specialized builds that can't tackle everything you see on first contact

>>535218414
Yeah. Glad it's held on all these years

>>535211381
>>535218602
Because of the turncount clock you have a pool of expected xp to work with and within that, the enemy's statlines are fairly in tune so peak performance doesn't look the same for every enemy and doesn't apply to every enemy. As you get better at some stuff you're going to fall behind elsewhere and need to work with that. Since floors also aren't static that means you can go as fast as you want, rewarding your risk with stronger loot sooner on instead of grabbing ass on the shallow depths getting vanilla junk equipment. Vaults in particular are pretty neat by often having good equipment at the price of being filled with traps and enemies often 2-4 floors deeper than the floor you're on. It supplies a really engaging back and forth to scout it for worthwhile look and overcome a challenging enemy or steal the loot and barely escape alive To leverage strategic considerations like being able to split them up with doors or combining your high stealth and vanish ability with their low willpower to draw them out of the vault and scatter them so you can fight them in easier numbers. You can even be a sicko that largely avoids the higher risk of the vaults to enjoy the lower risk regular floor contents

What makes sil and sil-q so engaging is there's that direct *bandlike correlation for the player being able to boost their rewards at great calculated risk. To be thrown up against great challenges and overcome them with what you've built and what you have on hand again and again in a myriad of different ways as you hurtle into vault after vault not as tablord the effortless conqueror but as an everyman who is very much at risk of getting curb stomped if they aren't careful. The game's XP is tight enough that you feel a strong bond between the strategic choices you made and not just how you can face the myriad of tough challenges you'll encounter but how the choices you made also hurt you elsewhere.

nice essay
thanks for the thorough answer though

ive played sil a bit because i was interested in the fact that stealth was a viable build, but i can not get passed like floor 5. I always end up getting surrounded and die. Any tips?

>>533616284 (OP)
It'sjust me or infra arcana has a bug where when you press space after a forced interrupt the game makes additional tick and enemies can hit you for extra turn?

>Check Steam forums for JHC
>Others are confused as to what the fuck he's even doing since they also went into it expecting DRL with a JH skin and he's saying "Um... I think of it as an entirely new game though"
>In one thread he even says he'd rather be working on JH but he's broke and needs money and he thought this would sell better than JH DLC
>Only 40 reviews of JHC so far
Uh oh

I play only gnoll because I can't be bothered to manually assign skill priorities

>>535231504
Some people play all their games on easy mode, so you're in good company.

>>534367745
>I'm starting to suspect that unarmed combat is doing all of the work, and that my investments in shapeshifting aren't actually doing anything.
Really seems to be the case.
Ran a normal ass human with unarmed combat a run ago, it already mutilates everything you can get your hands on. So even if shapeshifting didn't cost you item slots, it's just not solving any problems versus other skills.
Also starting to question the purpose of weapons if you just want to do a melee fightan build.

>>534367745
>>534366959
You eventually got AC-walled. you'd notice it if you just did a pure MiMo of Okawaru back in the day. Also why the better races like Trolls and shit that had better UC could hang on longer than if you did a meme HOMo starting to flounder in vaults without slaying gear. Especially if it used a shield. Transmutations were weird in that you were just trying to get blade hands castable and not need to eat a whole ration per cast. Once you could, it fixed UC's AC issue and you were off to the races.
I loosely recall the devil's team started malding about blade hands so things are probably in a pretty bad shape. Even if you did find an analysis, it's probably long outdated from all the mangling that's been done. Even stuff like leaning on spider form's ev at times until you got blade hands up for the death yaks in Lair is probably ruined.

Pour one out for all the Naga Transmuters of Chei from back in the day. It was truly a way to live.

>>535227927
Hold my beer, so there's a lot of stealthy bullshit and let's begin by asking what the fuck even is (((stealth))) and why you're getting surrounded.

When you first approach the floor you want to establish a loop of open doors for pillar dancing and sprint loops to use vanish on asap instead of say, just going straight left or straight down or wobbling all over the map like a drunk. Then as you explore you want to get another one that isn't immediately by the stairs cause yes, they will spawn at the stairs at the worst time and trap you.

If you're a funny joker you can start the game by immediately getting 6 stealth, assassination, opportunist (bonus attack when enemies step away from you), 3 melee, and 2 evasion. It's somewhat stable for the most part and pretty much back-doors the outcome of the end of early-floors transition of the following build. The caveat being you can get warg'd if your floor drops and monster generation is bad/no doriath pre-warg'd before you stabilize the build from the cost of lunging for opportunist early. You also have to decide on if and when you'll get smithing for a horn of terror and elbereth for trolls. After though you're drastically stronger than the generic melee start.

>>535227927
>>535239837
Alternatively you can play the stock start of 5-6 melee/evasion, work your way up to 8-10 melee/evasion, then pick up opportunist and begin transitioning into a stealth based stabber. A utility optimization of this is starting out with 5 smithing for jeweler, effective 8 smithing skill, and smithing a regen amulet, sustenance ring or w/e, and a horn of terror. Then picking up the willpower tree's channeling's +5 bonus to allow you to run to a stairwell then use the horn of terror to scare them up the stairs. In conjunction with a minor investment in elbereth later you can fear the horn immune trolls up the stairs. This dents your peak combat power a modest bit but is made up for by floor drops and remaining mindful that you're not as diesel as you could be in exchange for being able to disengage from bad fights.
Others may skip opportunist's key extra attack to get more melee and possibly perception's focus attack to gain additional accuracy for crits.
Others like a stealth archer are avoiding enemies they can't kill and sniping the ones they can. sometimes outrunning and using vanish to fix a botched job. Others using elbereth, slumber/majesty, and horn of terror or lorien to sleep. One highly unstable build combined making two +2 accuracy rings for your archer then working towards a grace/smithing kit to make accuracy or damage boosted boosted artifact armors and rings provided it gets enough slaying weapons, boosted/double-boosted floor gear to survive and 3/4-use forges/staves of revelation to do something with it. Since grace backwashed into smithing/Aule and song for elbereth/will for horn to rubberband enemies long enough to shoot them down or to scare them off the floor. Until eventually you had a potently strong stealth archer that'd chunk enemies, machinegun them, put them to sleep, move back and repeat with that juicy sleeping penalty setting their evasion to -5 and the funny artifact arrow gigacrit

>>535239996
>>535227927
From the standpoint of an avoidant stealth "diver", everyone reached the same conclusion you did. You eventually bump into fucking birds, fucking wargs, or get vibe checked by the high perception monsters that start screaming bloody murder. You can't have your cake of combat skills and abilities and eat the stealth and escape/utility abilities cake too. Even when you try and you do, eventually an outlier vibe checks you or there was such cosmic luck blessing it the run's drops and spawns that it may never happen again. A combat focus like previously leverages the huge initial damage of a focus attack assassination stab into opportunist second attack to drop the enemy's morale enough that they flee if they aren't dead, will flee in a couple hits if they aren't afraid, and if they still wont, you just use ?Terror, sing Elbereth or stop fighting undead and horrors jesus. Since a diver isn't doing a combat focus they would try all sorts of combinations of stats and starting skill/ability allocations but everyone ended up at the same destination. At least 4 dex, buy disguise and exchange places on character gen. What this did was even if you did get pincered in a hall, you could exchange places your way through even if you got beat on pretty hard. As the game progressed you would develop evasion to live, buy dodging, sprint, and leap to help with escapes.and perception's keen senses and listen to help notice fast monsters with your ears, not your face.

>>535239996
>>535227927
Eye for detail also helped with the doors and your low xp pool since being trapped isn't the time to look for secret doors. Now you can try picking up archery and sniping frail things, leverage slaying weapons, heavy weapons, and swapping armor on/off to cherrypick killable enemies for some xp here and there, you can try running all over the floor for more loot and on-sight xp but others simply dived down as fast as they found a stair or chasm. Nothing was really wrong, it's just an exchange of benefits and costs that makes you better at some stuff and worse at others.
They'd dive deep, scum 900'-950', Find a sharpness weapon, pile up consumables and slumber staves, pump will and channeling then go sleep morgoth once they hit the turncount limit. Sometimes you got Angrist and enough slumber staves sometimes you didn't. Plenty of diver speedrun luckshitters on the ladder to mald about.
Overall divers weren't bad but you had a crunch between getting Listen so you don't get corridor raped by fast enemies but enemies are noticing your low stealth with every desperate scramble to the next stair/chasm and the high cost of exchange places then listen on a character getting only a drip-feed of xp who still needs evasion to survive said exchange places. Especially before the expensive lore master.
Doriath lights up if a web trap is within like, 3 tiles? Keep one handy so you don't get pranked since your low str makes it hard to get out and your halved evasion means it's going to rape you when it walks into you and you didn't have lorien/slumber to put it to sleep in that 1 turn.
As a side note for trap damage, chasms deal 24, stair collapse/horn deal 12, pits deal 8, spiked pit deal 28, dart trap 15, poison chest traps/potion deal up to 40

>>535240303
>>535227927
But, there is another path... One many would consider, Unnatural...
Feanor 1/3/4/6 3 melee/evasion, 7 smithing Jeweler. Channeling shortly after up to you. Smith Horn of Blasting, +0 blessed realm (reduce the special bonus in the smithing menu), horn of terror. Your goal is to roam around cherrypicker killing things by throwing weapons, using your bow, swapping on better armor then taking it off after, and generally scraping some xp with minimal to zero damage taken. You gotta remember you have to stay above 13 hp or you can kill yourself. Once you run out of options, just shaft yourself by firing the horn of blasting '>'. This lets you scrape more xp than just immediately shafting yourself straight down. Not that you can't but the pre-600' floors are pretty gone from min-depth by the time you get good gear from the basement and come back up. On the other hand, you're wasting turns on small amounts of xp that only push a couple skill/ability benchmarks and the gear is trash opposed to deeper drops. There's no wrong choices, only happy rergets.
Special note, it's up to you if you want 950's better loot versus the risk of being unable to shaft if you fuck up. Especially before you can reliably sleep max will enemies.
As you go deeper, Get stealth disguise keen senses listen lore mastery with the occasional willpower to keep up. You don't need to guzzle lembas for the drained grace at the start just eat one and each time you get hungry just know the lower your will and drained grace is you might need to blasting multiple times. You have to treat it as unreliable and shaft early not after your face is axed off The reason Listen is done early is because of how the PDF details stealth mechanics. Distance is essentially pseudo-stealth for the point of detection so it's better to get the fuck out of the way than it is to have a crap ton of stealth or sprint and still get run over by a werewolf or vampire in the dark

>>535240583
>>535227927
Pivot to elbereth and lorien. Get gear on 900-950' then go back up for kill xp then head back down. If you get Lorien in the endgame transition you can hoover up 900-950 then build out into stabbing or flaming arrows later. Bear in mind at the throne room you need middling melee or you're ngmi cutting out the sils without sharpness/narsil/etc. Esp for 2/3 sils. Up to your placebo belief if you believe in snapping a different weapon on the second sil onwards then swapping back to Angrist/sharpness.
You can make all sorts of arguments for picking up archery>flaming arrows early and going ham on xp. Getting assassination and stabbing a lot of frail shit along the way. Melee's cross-investment for sil stabbing versus archery's halved evasion penalty letting it function better at lower investment, and so on. Elbereth>Lorien archery works well. Elbereth>Lorien stabbing works well. Pure thief build works well with a stronger sleep and lower detection rates. It's hard to really find where the line on killing skills and making back enough xp from that falls
For the throne room walk around putting everything to sleep, find the traps and not with your face. Unlock doors, spend the time revealing the secret doors ahead of time for when you need to dip. Doesn't hurt to check the chests for sharpness but at this point you either don't need them or it's unlikely they'll save you. As a funny fact, lorien the enemy to sleep, if you exchange places and your stealth is enough that it can't detect you it'll stay unwary then go back to sleep next time lorien rolls to sleep it. Also works on walking into webs but please don't 1str is death. Personally the chance of it walking into you isn't worth the risk but you do you if you're blocked off. Speaking of exchange places, you'll want to pick it up at some point. It depends on how much risk you want to mitigate versus Listen+Lorien getting strong enough to keep you safe.

>>535004739
Yeeeessssssss

It took so fucking much out of me to just accept that some creatures don't need to be killed, even after you're two levels past them. I simply did not fight an 8 headed hydra, even now. I am OUT of healing pots, and seem to have never found might or berserk or invis, and I'm out of tp and blink and fear.

I guess I finish the run now like everything's normal?

Got more data to get.

>>535239530
Naga Shapeshifters get actively punished by the protean talisman. It's probably among the worst of the recommended starts because you're making the early game even harder on a race that dies early game.

>>535238081
The point of weapons is that you can get buffs on them. A +0 dagger of poison kills almost everything up to D11, and most of lair. Where that doesn't work, there negative, electric, and holy. With investment, a mid-teir weapon beats unarmed until like lvl 16 or something, particularly if the weapon hits mindelay quickly.

At endgame, unarmed is king, mostly, but you can't get rF, rC, str+6 on a fist. Slots matter, and you're sacrificing one.

>>535241246
You're approximately 0% to get that unicorn randart with good base and brand and enchant level AND resists AND relevant stats.
The modal experience is some 2nd tier base that was enchanted from gray. And in that world, a +20 fist of speed with 100% droprate ain't looking too bad.

>>535240770
grats, that's pretty sick

>>534935360
CQC roguelike when?

>>535245918
Right, but you're much more likely to get a +0 venom.
After that, you're much more likely to get a +5 freeze/ect on a weapon you've trained.
Somewhere between lair and vaults you're likely to get an ok ego on a reasonable weapon, so you can dump your enchant weapon scrolls on that and have a +10 demon whip of draining.

This makes you way stronger in the early and mid game, which is good.

However, you can still just use a +10 demon whip while training unarmed, and drop the whip when you fist is good enough.
And the +0 dagger doesn't actually need skill investment.

So overall you're not taking that large a handycap by investing in unarmed, and you're not dependent on as much RNG. It's just that +10 is really good for a minute.

>>535260931
>This makes you way strong in the early and mid game
Yeah, but it's not really true. Skimming my char, I walked into sbranches on 22 uc, and punching up the numbers in wiz mode it was about 64 per decaaut.

Now, to compare this to the totally reliable, never fails decision to pick up the strongest base in the game with full enchants and a brand on a char fresh out of orc: With the same investment but into maces, a +9 demon whip of draining is ~72 per decaaut, and if you stopped at mindelay then literally the best weapon in the game is doing less than my fist was.

>>535260874
What's CQC

>>535270162
Close quarters cuckoldry, it's when a chair isn't sufficient and the cuck is getting right up ins the business. Presumably anon thought those rooms looked insufficient for his needs and was crying out into the void about how his demands for gaming are going unheard

>>535239837
thanks anon! im have to read threw a bunch of times i think im to new to the game to really implement a lot of what you are saying

>>535270162
the fighting style invented by metal gear solid

avatar the last airbender like

>>535268236
fired up a fresh char to recheck my theory wank against a real early game.
D:10 finished and the best* weapon offering looks like a gray partisan, and prior to that it was a +3 mace. It's not looking too good for the metal stick swinging crowd.
Versus 14 UC which is 17 damage, ~.75 delay, +6 to-hit, and a 25% chance to offhand punch for 12. Which is it better than lightly enchanted and branded 2nd rate bases, and a hell of a lot better than what I had to choose from. So, just better at all stages of the game unless you roll up something very nice very early.

* the actual best is the stack of 2 dozen darts

>>535287983
Daggers are really just for wizards who don't bother putting any points into any melee skill at all. Then after earlygame you just treat your weapon as a jewelry slot and hold anything that gives a decent bonus like a stave or an artifact with resistances. And for everyone else there's polearms(your fists can't attack over the head of summons) and axes (you fists can't do 600% damage when surrounded)
I agree basically all other melee weapons don't have a purpose, like who's using sword out here seriously?

And I have to assume shapeshifter is now some weird forced hybrid class like everything else is nowadays and you're supposed to basically be a monk/generalist mage who swaps forms to cast.

>>535287983
I read this sort of thing occasionally and I'm not the best player in the world but I can win consistently, I simply can't imagine walking into an s branch with 22 in a offence skill to be optimal. And no shield either. It just feels like the opportunity cost is way too high, like going immediately for firestorm. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything I don't look at the underlying numbers very often but it feels like you'd have to give away way too much dodging/armor and support magic. Just seems counterintuitive to the advice that's usually given. Obviously maxed UC through extended is a different thing.

>>535290874
>the opportunity cost is way too high, like going immediately for firestorm.
My runs of DEFE tell me this is surprisingly a great idea. Don't need hitpoints or armor skills if everything dies the turn it enters the screen. Tough runs are decided by whether you pick up enough rF since literally 9/10 deaths will just be blowing yourself up by accident.

Has anyone played Void Terrarium? I liked the music and arsthetic of the demo but it doesn't seem like it requires any real strategy or tactics. Do more mechanics get introduced later?

>>535291953
I just hate the period from when you can cast the spells you can win the game with which is like lair:1 with early vehumet and when your level 9 spell becomes castable where you're missing out on loads of stealth and hp and stuff.

>>535276481
>>535276481
Chargen: Finarfin* 1/3/4/6 3 melee/evasion, 7 smithing Jeweler.
Carefully fight and avoid your way to the guaranteed 50' forge. Your progression here is basically armor based you have to be extra careful while trying to find body armor and auxes as well as not getting 2+ orc soldier packs on top of each other with bad rolls.It's up to you if you want to add more melee skill to reduce the gambling. Just bear in mind you're looking at 9,500 xp from stair xp and <6,800 xp from item id. You're trying to get everything going within that pool
Smith Horn of Blasting, +0 blessed realm (reduce the special bonus in the smithing menu), horn of terror. Eat one lembas to recover 1 grace and repeat when hungry. Hopefully you find grace pots first but whatever.

Run around floors for loot and on-sight xp until you get detected and can't escape then use the horn of blasting firing > to shaft yourself. You need at least 13 hp to avoid death and it's unreliable early on while your will is low and grace is drained. Enemies like to path between stairs so once you find some of the others you can swerve a bit away from them to reduce new spawn encounters. You can fight a bit situationally like battle-axing a serpent or abusing slaying weapons and some swapped on armor.
In general read the PDF it details most of the mechanics for stuff like stealth and skill checks. Remember you can 'l'ook at enemies to see if there's loot under them. It'll happen with thorn monsters rarely for example.
XP-allocation wise you want to get channeling and some will, 3 stealth and disguise then start raising perception for listen. You really need listen for werewolves and vampires in corridors. Eventually lore mastery helps with getting xp from items you can't steal and freeing up space.

>>535276481
>>535294831
After the forge and through the midgame you can't really die unless you get greedy over trash that is nothing compared to what you'll get later. Once you stop playing stupid games with wargs while grace drained and low will you'll manage.
In the 800's or so you're going to have a vulnerable spot where you're still low on xp. You're going to use listen and lurk near stairs to ?terror or elbereth perceptive or fast enemies up the stairs. save up XP and get song of Lorien and a crap ton of song+song/grace equips to put enemies to sleep. Once you can put most enemies to sleep you're just sleeping and stealing while running away or shafting from high will enemies. I'll stress again, hold onto and watch a doriath weapon in your inventory. Webs will fuck your face and deeper depths have harder to detect traps. It can pay to search a couple times each step in vaults since there are traps there you just haven't detected them yet.
Go as fast as you feel comfortable, 950' has the best loot but you can't shaft escape anymore, you can't escape from the very quick darting horrors and their high willpower and high perception is really rough if you haven't gotten lorien, stabbing, or archery together. There's also vampire lords who are fast and have high willpower as well as ururaukos, gwathraukos, and various uniques that will demand low 20's effective song to very rarely sleep them.
As you accrue xp and gear you'll get strong enough to decide if you want to keep looping the bottom of the dungeon to gamble for extra strong rare gear or if you'll go back up the dungeon to chase kill xp instead of equipment. Again there's no wrong choices it's just utilizing what you've strengthened and minding what became weaker as a consequence.

>>535294921
>>535276481
As you accrue xp and gear you'll get strong enough to decide if you want to keep looping the bottom of the dungeon to gamble for extra strong rare gear or if you'll go back up the dungeon to chase kill xp instead of equipment. Again there's no wrong choices it's just utilizing what you've strengthened and minding what became weaker as a consequence.
For the throne room the targets are 28 stealth and 30+ song with equips and pots if you're going to lorien the throne room, steal the sil and run. Less works but the lower it is the smaller the chance and the further you have to run while buttchugging !quickness and shit waking up to block you and possibly hitting you on exchange places. When your weapon breaks there's a chance that shards will smack morgoth and wake him up so be ready to have to run while resisting his slow+lock door song until you put him back to sleep which again is a stealth+song check since you have to both put him to unwary then sleep without being detected.
The ascent is even more of a snore than usual. Just sing silence, swap to lorien when you need to keep something out of the way and blasting yourself if you get trapped. You either got enough grace that your song regen is high enough or you can swap to regen during dead periods to refill. The stupid exit dog can be slept so just pot up and sprint out.

In general sil gameplay,
Throw throwing weapons then later use your bow. Even at 0 skill it still adds a tiny bit of survival chance that adds up. Later when you get concentration it builds conc stacks which is valuable for dangerous enemies.
Some unintelligent monsters like spiders wont chase outside of LoS. You can use this on stuff like spider hatchlings by getting poisoned then stepping around a corner to disengage so you can quaff id slow poison without dying.

>>535293241
At lair you can get a few points in everything else for cheap, even a pure caster with max apts is paying through the nose for every level of casting skills by then, you can like quadruple your health just completing lair alone if you switch skill training for a bit.
Armor is iffy for high level spells, shields less so but still an issue if you go too big, but dodging and fighting are free real estate and you should definitely pick them up.
Picking up a steam dragon scales or troll skin and a buckler and like 4 skill levels makes you ridiculously tankier for like no investment.

>stealth
Every level is maxxing out the noise bar and fighting the entire floor from the stairs for me typically.

>>535295015
>>535276481
You can throw weapons at thorns and use a bow, even a shortbow to kill or at least wound them if you're shit at combat. If you throw anything even a filthy rag to place an item under them first your ammo will pile up where you can recover it instead of being trapped under them.
When you're exiting a corridor into a room you can sometimes get a free attack as the enemy pack will try to flank you by you can just move diagonally after the attack to prevent the flanker from attacking. Above your 75% hp a pack wont charge into your corridor letting you weaken them with throwing/archery or heal up after a minor hit. It also lets you loop a charge attack by waiting until they're 1 tile away, stepping up and hitting them, stepping back and repeating until you kill them all off. Non-warg intelligent monsters will try to open a door you close and if there's two of them the other will step on the door letting you force a 1v1.
ctrl+dir lets you attack without moving in case you're confused near a chasm. It will still close then bash a door or attempt to disarm a trap though. and if you fail to disarm the trap it will move you onto it and trigger it. Like a false floor...
special note, if you have a mattock near quartz or belegost near any wall you will dig the wall, it will give the enemies and attack of opportunity, and you will turbo die.
Gaurin in inventory works like a digger normally.
Tunneling rings are NOT cumulative. You can't forge a <+2> and a <+1> then go tear granite up.
If you're planning forging shit, the red ability req disappears once you get artistry/enchantment/artifice so toggle it off in the abilities menu.
Melting mithril does NOT consume forge charges
If you're trying to use-id a terror helm you need to take 10+ damage which is a bit of a pain.
Turncount limit is 28,500 turns after which any stair will yeet you to the boss room

>>535295101
>>535276481
The crown has an average of 0 evasion, 38, 63, 75 prot and a max of 60, 100, 120 prot for each of the sils. so it's a bit rough even with pots w/o sharpness
3-sil curse makes you roll twice on every check and take the lower of the two.
PDF has the skill checks to spot and disarm traps/secret doors
Grotesques can be knocked back with at least 5 strength. Knockback is twice attacker str plus 2 if 2-handing vs twice defender con. incl/rapid atk or charge?
Enemy flanking penalty is added to the enemy accuracy in the combat window. +2/ea for furthest side, +1/ea for flanking
You can maneuver to pin enemy archers in a corridor corner or stand in an L from a corridor entrance to bait the archer to it then move towards the wall to move them into the room then you can close to them to pin them against the wall and kill. For the easterling unique you just have to deal with his evasive loop getting one attack out of every like 4-5 turns. Cat archers you're stuck with stealth stabbing, throwing, archery, and debuff songs/staves to either drive them off the floor at a stairwell or putting the annoying shits to sleep thanks to their low willpower.
The artifact arrow Dailir isn't consumed by flaming arrow so you can gamer. Crafted artifact arrows don't stack so rip.
Effective voice: 4: 41, 5: 49, 6: 59, 7: 71 8: 85 9: 103 10: 123 13: 213
Diff +7 +10 +12 +14 +18
Con: 0 - 20 1 - 24 2 - 28 3 - 34, 4 - 41, 5 - 49 6 - 59 7 - 71 8 - 85 9 - 103 10 - 123 11 - 148 12 - 178 13 - 213
Diff +4 +4 +6 +7 +8 +10 +12 +14 +18 +20 +25 +30 +35
Bane: 1-2 2-4 3-8 4-16 5-32 6-64 7-128 8-256
Momentum doesn't apply to bows, only melee and thrown weapons.
Thrown throwing weapons are immediately picked up by thieves
Power does affect thrown weapons
Focus attack does not work on the crown
Focus attack DOES work on polearm mastery

>>535295191
>>535276481
Exchange places does not cause an attack in the throne room but you do need enough stealth to avoid alert rather than unwary.
Assassin does NOT work on the second Two-Wep
Assassin does NOT apply to throwing attacks
Assassin does NOT give bonuses to rapid attack second hit
Assassin does NOT give bonuses to charge attack. They are separate manual special attacks
Assassination attack and charge attack conflict. Have to leave stealth mode the turn you attack to still charge. It's just 5 acc less anyway.
SINGING LOWERS YOUR STEALTH FOR ASSASSINATION AND ALL PURPOSES REALLY. SING AND LOOK AT CHAR INFO
Singing silence reduces Morgoth's song strength by half your song score but this isn't really relevant in most situations since killdudes are probably amped up on pots and sharpness+slaying and stealth are desperately trying to put everything back to sleep.
Charge does NOT give bonuses to opportunist or activate rapid/two-wep/whirlwind/etc. attacks
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~Use IDing a _Majesty WILL wake up the dragons~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Staff Max Charges from channeling
2-8 or 4-8: Secrets, Imprisonment, Freedom, Light, Revelations, Foes, Slumber, Majesty
2-4: Sanctity, Understanding, treasures, self-knowledge, warding, earthquakes, recharge
2-12 or 6-12: Summoning, Entrapment.
Staff of Freedom CAN reveal secret doors so cozy up to where you think it is.
Song of Freedom has a lesser effect.
Don't toss sanctity or at least be aware Melkor, Calris, etc. are cursed and will bully you. Orc captains/Othrod Caaan disarm you but it's not something to rely on.
Don't wield-id a special item until it glows or you'll trap yourself in a fury weapon. that +10 bonus to enemy perception makes it too easy for enemies to find and dogpile you. It's really rough for non-regen heavy armor builds and even those waste too many turns fighting them for literally nothing with their subpar offense.

>>535295272
>>535276481
Song of Lorien: Enemy Will +5, +1 per tile distance, 1 voice/turn, 4 noise
Their will is already adjusted for the +5 so you're just adding the distance. You're both rolling opposing 1d10 bonus rolls, then you have to significantly beat its will to reduce its alertness while also beating its perception roll with your stealth roll to not increase its alertness. You can occasionally snipe ururaukos low hp if you need to get a couple to start bane if you're getting killy.
16 will Ringrauko
17 will Kemenrauko
18 Will: Young cold-drake
19 will: Ancient Spider, Vampire Lord Ururauko, Darting horror megarape
20 Will: young fire-drake, GwathraukoUnrelenting horror
21 Will: Hithrauko
22 Will: Great cold-drake 23 Will: Great fire-drake

14 Will: Gilim, Nan 16 Will: Duruin
18 will: Belegwath, Drauglin 19 Will: Shelob
20 Will: Turkano, Scatha 21 Will: Vallach, Thuringwethil
22 will: Ungoliant, Smaug
23 will: Lungorthin 24 will: Ancalagon, Gostir
25 will: Morgoth, Gothmog 26 will: Gorthaur, Glaurung

>>535290874
Eh, this isn't exactly a suicide punchman build, you know.
The vibecheck D:10 one was/is XL 11 with 14 UC, 7 fighting, 5 throw & stealth, 3 evo, 2 dodge. And no shield is just the life of a non-fighter start so the offhand punch is still in play.
The prev was XL17, 22 UC, 18 fighting, 10 invo nemelex, 7 dodge & armor, 5 evo, 3 shield, 2 throw. And that was the level the game finally deigned to offer me a shield so I had just shut off UC to start training it.

You know, this has been the most on topic thread I've seen for a while.
Good going guys.
If only Gearhead got so much engagement.

>>535276481
>>535295272
>Charge does NOT give bonuses to opportunist or activate rapid/two-wep/whirlwind/etc. attacks
Worded this weird. You just don't get the charge bonus to opportunist or the extra attacks of rapid/two-wep.Whirlwind blocks charge/rapid/two-wep/assassination.. Focus attack bonuses don't carry over to the extra rapid-attack/two-wep attack. It'll make you schzio cause on the display your dice and acc are already lowered for rapid attack but it's using your higher normal attack for the whirlwind. In any case if you don't want to dig around the forums press ctrl-a to activate wizard mode. The password is gondolin. These are the commands for trying shit to make sure stuff works before blowing 10k xp. A lot of the bonus attacks and special attacks are weird and you'll forget which gets which under what conditions. Especially if you only get them for win more-ing the throne room hopped up on potions and 40+ song of slaying where you don't really notice things.
c - create a specific object
d - detect doors, stairs, objects, and creatures
f - close wizard mode and forget everything
g - Makes a random item
i - identify an item
j - Jump to floor
k - self-knowledge
m - magic map
o - edit an object
p - phase door
s - summon monster
t - random teleport
u - detect foes
v - Spawns a good/excellent object
w - Magic map and illuminate floor
x - Gives xp
ctrl+w - wizard mode on

" = print spoilers

>>535295272
>Assassin does NOT apply to throwing attacks
Play NWNS.

>>535300715
>>535276481
And so you don't want to kill yourself, hit esc to open the menu, c for options, a for interface options, then toggle dismiss more, y/n prompts with any key to yes. You have to do this for each new save file to save the pref.
You can also toggle forgo bonus attacks on non-alert enemies off. Most of the time you want it on but if you don't care about aggroing it'll give you extra attacks from zone of control, opportunist, etc. on unaware and sleeping enemies. I always leave it off since it's safer just putting it out there.

>>535303416
>>535276481
Another funny stealth trick is that sleeping dragons aren't super perceptive plus you get a lot of message warnings as it gets close to waking up then becoming alert. So while you might not have a lot of stealth in heavy armor, but with modest stealth, disguise, and taking your heavy armor off to reduce your stealth penalties you can successfully steal items from small dragon hoards and even part of Glaurung's great hoard as long as you get out of sight once they start waking up then return later to steal ore. You can end up getting consumables or a number of exceptional items.
It will kill you if they wake up and you do it on fire dragons w/o double rF+ and even then the slash can gut you. The cold drakes can confuse or entrance you pretty hard without good will and clarity+free action before clawing your helpless face off. And there's also wandering enemies running up from behind and screaming or trapping you. But sometimes you can just strip, slide in, grab an atrifact or something and slide out alive instead of a 0 stealth heavy chud having to fight and die trying to get something great from an early dragon.

>Freshly arrived at 900' so the stealth, per, and song aren't super solid yet
>Moving around too fast and don't notice I stepped on an alarm trap
>Open the door
>Great fire-drake fire breath charcoals me for 52 overkilling me instantly
Whoops, haven't done that in a while.

>>535147915
>Why are you playing on experimental if you don't want game breaking bugs
>Yes it could be fixed if a single lead dev bothered to play the game with the change on for an hour or two
>Or tested any important interactions/gameplay loops
>Just play stable if you don't want your game to implode and become unplayable
>Nobody's giving feedback on this generally reviled experimental change so it won't be fixed for literal months, if ever, and will be added to the next stable

Absolutely decimated my will to play DDA for the future. the removals were also a reason, especially given how eager they seemed to be to remove literal weeks of work someone did because it didn't fit their fucking stupid new vision for the game.
The fact that the experimental was so violently broken yet were expected to be played told me everything about how poorly managed this project was and would continue to be until this retarded project is finally shot dead.
The dogshit management got me to finally pick up Bright nights despite lacking some of the stuff i loved about DDA. I haven't looked back since.

>>535276481
Why did you do that
do you see what you have done

fool!

I understand

is rogue any good?

no, play brogue instead

>>535313523
no pockets no play

>>535295036
based qazlal worshipper

>Latest and greatest CDDA feature is that smartphones now have a high chance to be 'locked' requiring either a factory reset or a HackPro
>Factory resetting completely discharges the phone for some reason
>Meanwhile, the Militia lodge is completely devoid of content despite being allowed to spawn. Hub01 has 5 quests and then theres nothing more to them, Hub02 hasn't even begun to be developed. Exodii are boring as ever, with anything cool for them planned still stuck in dev hell. New labs are completely dogshit boring compared to old ones, with very little prospect for any other interesting endgame areas.
0.I is coming out soon, but its still fundamentally the same game as 0.H and 0.G. No new gameplay or content has been added other than more tedium.

Returned to Shattered PD after some time, why is the game full of barrels like an FPS now?

>>535338178
Open sores btw. Now play a real roguelike.

Won my first character as a marine, halfway through with a technician now. Feels like JHC might be the supreme champion at some point after he works on it more but currently it's just faster paced MUCH easier DRL-themed JH. Liked I bitched about a little earlier it feels like the worst of both worlds for side branches currently, they're basically the JH branches except JHC's items aren't as deep as JH so it's not even like you're hoping to find a medstation or something. Assuming he keeps working on it though it could be excellent

>>535349463
At this point it feels like such a crapshoot expecting devs to stick to their projects. RW1 dev ditched that game to work on RW2 then ditched that game and let someone else take it over (thank fuck for the new guy). Achra dev pushed out a few good updates and then went to work on his new project. DCSS got tossed to team LGBT which is (begrudgingly enough) probably better than no dev. Roguelikes just don't make enough money to keep devs around for long.

>>535352609
He's broke nigga he's broke! >>535230469
Become his sugar daddy and you can get the hopes and dreams you craved.

>I don't look at the underlying numbers very often but it feels like you'd have to give away way too much dodging/armor
You're not losing much, they're pretty weak early on.
11 armor is a 0.5x bonus to your base ac.
Dodging is about 0.5 EV per with 14 dex and medium enc.
Shields is about 0.5 SH per with buckler/kite shields too.
So in middlin early game gear, 11 skill is about the same as the equivalent defense jewellery(prot and evasion rings, reflection amulet). Meanwhile there are big dick investments like the same sp gets 18 Fighting for like 50% max hp, +9 to-hit, and +30% damage.

And for other comparisons, 11 evo or throw is doubling your wand or jav damage and giving you 3 poison stacks from darts, 11 stealth makes it hard to even intentionally body pull mobs, and 11 invo lets you ask kami-sama to win fights for you.

>>535357071
meant for >>535290874

>>535230469
His first mistake was making a roguelike called Jupiter Hell Classic. It sounds like it would be a shitty cash-in without much new content. Dude really has no clue how marketing works.

aaaaargh the roguelikes

Today I died to a hobgoblin in one shot in Achra. I'm not going to dignify it with a screenshot.

>>535379642
When's that nerd going to put his next game into EA anyway? It looked/sounded like it's basically going to be a Conquest of Elysium knockoff which I'm a-ok with given how fun Achra is

>>535382928
He posts updates on Reddit but it really doesn't look that close to completion so probably not till next year.

>>535383943
Aw, bummer. Looking forward to it though

>>535338178
Meanwhile Bright Nights just added flying to bird mutants and a flying bionic. Its embarrassing at this point.

>>535338178
it's because people, primarily kevin, are autistically restrictive about what does and doesn't make sense so nothing exciting gets added
TLG doesn't have that issue so it's nice to finally have an alternative, i hope wormgirl doesnt get burned out

Does feeding followers the same type of food in elin have any consequence besides having my map spammed with "ugh, this again?" or "always this dish..."
I'm feeding them ultra statted meat roasts that I can mass produce using soil meat and +30 cabocchi bonito flakes, but I wonder if that has any drawbacks since they're always complaining now

First game JHC. I am learning to shoot the barrels instead of standing next to them.

>>535403423
There's a successor to DRL? Damn how did I never hear about this, I loved that game to death

Just a couple more statues...

>>535403738
There's been one for years dude, IIRC the developer started working on it after having to change DoomRL's name to DRL

>>535390946
If someone adds a mod that uncaps skills again, I'll actually update and play it.

>>534841141
>door in the woods
Nta but ive seen this game before. Any fun? Dont spoil please

>>534993024
Not the only this is happening to on this site. Wonder what changed. Even sone of the roguelikes themselves are just meh now. Oh wow its still be updated this many years in? Oh wow its primarily stat changes like its MOBA? Boring!
>dcss
Constant changes by a team that wants to suck the fun out
>the magic cloud is outside of your sight because it blocks its own view, *dissipates faster just because the cloud itself obscured another part of itself 1 tile ahead*
Or
>cdda
Felt like another MOBA attempt where it seemed like a lot of changes were just item balancing. Not to mention the same issue as DCSS with fun removal. Also that money grab attempt. Way to kill the game. Who wants to work on that game when those guys profitted off it. You wanna do it for free? You wanna see them push your own forks updates into theirs just to see them profit off it? It's disincentivizing to see that. Felt like nothing more than a cash grab. Ironic how some of the fanboys would get butthurt when others attempted to do the same.
>tome
I dont think the game has changed significantly desu
>URW
Another live service style game where the updates are just tiny changes.

A lot of this is based off the general vibe I got about these games so it might not even be entirely true if at all to how its gone but I sure haven't had much interest in playing these games anymore. It's like they refuse to let go.

>>535391904
Did CDDA get splintered? Is the tyranny of Kevin finally over? Dude looks like a real redd*t soiboy.

What are all the different branches?

>>533782942
>that NPC
KEK! Which mod is this

>>533925138
>it removed kevin's cringe faction
Sauce. I haven't played in a long time

>>535352609
Yeah no surprise, look at that anon >>535140061. So many entitled roguelike gamers who want such games free. The level of content and balance in the most popular roguelikes probably takes years to achieve. Who would want to spend all their free time making such a game just for some anon to scoff at the notion of paying $10 only to see said person drop $100 on triple A game microtransactions?

Roguelikes about alcoholism?

>>535418028
You have Dirty Diapers Ahead, Tranny Like Grifter and Baby Nights.

>>535398756
Is the repo public so you can look it up? Does it have an uncompiled source you can look through?

>>535418028
No, TLG is even more psychotic than kevin. There is no salvation to be found.
bright nights has been trying to make a non-shit dda. Get in there and help them if you care.

>>535391904
>CDDA isn't comfy anymore with all the tedium
>TLG promises to remove the tedium, but reduces food to the point where it's not comfy anymore

I just wanna modify vehicles and make comfy mobile bases. What should I play?

>>535426335
How long ago was the multi-engine graping? 9 years? 10 years now?

>>535426335
BNs.
You'll have to deal with some (imo) poor choices but they also have a lot of good stuff going on.

>>535420325
Roguelikes are made to be free

Me when I roguelike

>>535428330
What sort of poor choices?

>>535428654
There's a Mega Man live action film?

>>535428707
Putting a hard cap on skills.

>>535430005
is it in a defines json so you can just type in 80 or something and you're good to go?