Year of the Marci

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>>533632074 (OP)
everybody hates ma*ci

marci thread im in

>>533632074 (OP)
does dota 2 still have a decent player count in 2k25 and is it still full of tryhard sweats

>>533632253
fpbp

>>533632253
*Hoodwink

>>533632618
about the same as in the last 5-6 years

you know what rhymes with marci? bbc

>>533632253

>>533633172
>traced 3d models
laffin'

>>533632074 (OP)
Marci!

>>533636490

grim

lol at least crowd made some sound when xg stole aegis

>>533637334
>beating quinn with void spirit when the hero is dogshit
hilarious

meanwhile on reddit

>>533638419
not vs quinn. they already beat gg 2-0 earlier today.

>pick qop
>destroy mid
>win game
>type "ez mid"
>repeat
I finally figured out DOTA

>carry hoodwink again

>>533640648
it's dogshit. last time they picked it they lost with a 30k lead.

>>533639504
i never understood people who say ez at the end, particularly after a long strenuous game. weird thirdie behavior

classic ame throw

lol at the crowd yelling whenever betboom is smoked

>mid dies lvl 3 diving enemy tower
>pings support telescroll
playing mid is mental llness

>>533644369
it's a joke, retard.

chinks blow chunks when it comes to dota

>>533632074 (OP)
looks like Marci superiority led to some controversy

How do you win mid against this purple nigger?

>>533649997
By default, he's trash

>do below average in the game (but not that much, 5/8)
>didn't grief
>played utility, stunned in the right time, helped make plays
>get zero commends after we won
People in this game are something else.
Oh and one of the problem was that I didn't jump SF (magic, with euls) as a Storm because the backup wouldn't arrive in time ))))))))))))))))))))))

>>533649997
He's solely picked because Puck exists otherwise he's not good. Certianly not in the top 5 or even 10.

>>533641317
>>533640648
I understood it as a niche NP counter, but I guess Pure was the Hoodwink poster all along.

In a world where we're removing piercing and increase "can't be dispelled" Nullifier continues to exist solely to remove Ethereal and little else.

There needs to be a lot more that can be dispelled by Nullifier.

>>533650464
Now do this in a stack group and watch yourself get reported by the fags who want to blame you for making the game take longer

>>533651094
It dispels every save item and some save spells, what else would you want it to dispel

>>533651030
I think he just likes it and because they owned so hard game 1 they just picked something they wanted to play. Bad idea.

>>533651094
It works against force staff, euls, aeon disk too.

>>533651261
At least a party report only counts as 1.
My philosophy of reporting is that the only people that should be reported are the ones griefing and being toxic in chat and mic. I don't think people having a bad game should be reported and I guarantee I got a report this game because I didn't play to someone's liking and we were losing a bit.
At least my score bounces back to 12k since I carry most games but it's such an ass system. Since people in lower behaviour scores are worse in behaviour the system probably does it's job but I still hate it because it can be biased.

If I start picking Puck that I can't play well and want to learn for 50 games I guarantee my behaviour score would be like 8k because of reports.

>>533650937
isnt he bad against silence, how can he fuck pucj

>>533651463
He's picked it a few times recently, but every time it's been against pos 1 NP until this time.

Impressive comeback

>>533651659
Does it work on Satanic? Newfag.

The interviewer girl is cute.

is batrider worth learning for my offlane pub pool? he seems cool but 43% winrate is eeeeeh

Why are retards trying to push Hoodwink carry? she doesnt work as one, her bat is much too high.

>>533659330
hes not great but 80% of his pub winrate is just nubs not being able to play him

>>533651750
I've been working since last sept to get out from 3k. I got as high as 8.3k before troll reporting sent me back into the shadow realm.

The fags at valve will never fix their broken system.

>>533660256
no one is doing that but pure and it's not even good, the times they've won with it is because they've just owned in general

>>533660256
Half the time I play hood it turns into me just building core because I'm already doing damage and my team is trash, so I transition from utility squirrel into the nutbuster.

>>533651094
The item is disgustingly overpowered as it is, it should purge less effects, not more.

>>533660256
They are signalling to Valve that her physical build side needs buffs, it was killed when they removed the good facet, reworked her core item gleipnir, and also nerfed the physical builds talents in the same patch

>>533652753
imagine if dusa was this hot

>>533651094
>makes every defensive support item except lotus orb useless
>makes several heroes completely unpickable
>"duuuuhhh it shuold be baffed"
Kill yourself fucking retard.

>>533662636
They should reset the system once a year to give people another chance.

>>533667656
what? then no one would care

>>533664263
>>533666459
>>533651340

Does not dispel Shadowblade/Silver Edge or WW Cold Embrace, and it should be a source of Break/Purge so as to actually be useful against heroes that need nerfs (Ench with her R ignoring BKB is fucking retarded).

With a name like Nullifier it certainly doesn't do all that much against the shit you want to dispel/break.

>>533667656
Even if they just reset the system after every time they change/update it, it would have been at least fair. Clean slate with a new system.

Instead I've had the fake reports piled high ever since beta when you just spammed comms report to troll people into being muted forever.

>>533668630
Why do you want it to do everything, you should be thankful it dispels Glimmer as is considering it's already covered by True Sight

>>533632074 (OP)
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1mfvl29/why_is_everyone_crying_for_a_patch/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1mfvl29/why_is_everyone_crying_for_a_patch/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1mfvl29/why_is_everyone_crying_for_a_patch/

>>533632253
Everyone loves Marci as a public use toilet though

>>533671106
>giving a shit about the opinions of reddit
go back

>chink tournament
>XG and tidebound suddenly on top

>>533675741
what do you mean? tundra is in the grand final

>>533668630
>With a name like Nullifier it certainly doesn't do all that much against the shit you want to dispel/break.
what a retarded statement

>>533671106
>EternalAutist

Physical SF is fucking broken, faggot always comes back

>>533679926
>>533670409

Because there should be counterplay that isn't "hope you brought dust bro"

Until dust gets it's own slot invis shit will always be toxic based solely on the fact that you deny the enemy an item slot.

>>533684018
Did you just start playing the game this year or something?

>>533681794
yeah he farms a bit too fast and safe, just like sven

Lol so I can lose behavior score for calling niggas monkeys while people can purposely grief game's with no consequences

>>533691332
>report + ignore
But I guess monkeys like you need to chimp out

>>533692056
we wouldn't need reports if spics were quarantined in their own shithole server.

>>533692478
And I'm sure you're the exact type of player who thinks any of the other 9 players want to read garbage like that while trying to play a game.

>lose 40 min stomp
>head hurts
>queue turbo
>45 min game

>>533694534
>>queue turbo
Why would you ever do this to yourself?

Items shitters love to get when is not needed
>heart
>pipe
>butterfly

>>533632253
Fpbp

>Have never played hoodwink ever
>pick first time in ranked (it's ok low mmr player)
>is actually really fun and useful
conflicted feelings as a primal spammer.

>>533697726
I'm a believer that most people enjoy playing hoodwink desu

>>533697726
Hoodwink is one of the most fun heroes in the game, it's a shame she's kind of bad this patch

lol i guess people are now going to take this trash ass matchmaking seriously now since a pro/big streamer is now talking about how awful it is

>>533694071
I'm one of the many types of players that doesn't want my ears bleeding with screaming in the mic in spanish or portuguese and seeing the chat flooded with JAJAJAJAJAJAJA all game from a 0/10 retard from south america

>>533702114
So mute those players and report them if you think they're really annoying. You really shouldn't even turn voice on in a pub until the game has proven itself stable. You've got a whole game of Dota 2 to worry about but you're too worried on what, losing the game before its over by focusing on your teammates speaking Portuguese?

>>533702039
Absolutely 0 chance you're an immortal draft players. Arteezy and his ilk are reaping what they've sown. Immortal draft as it exists, only exists because of people like him bitching and moaning to Valve. Now they don't like it.

can you find the secret vg dota chat?

why is all the hoodwink porn gross furry futa shit

can't i just fuck a squirrel like a normal guy

>>533702484
This. Funny enough Arteezy is one of the main reasons high rank Dota is such a cesspit. He was a huge presence in the early days of Dota and was hard on the "I'M BORED, AFK." and other such stupid shit.

>>533702305
Yeah, and nothing ever happens when they feed, spam, and grief the game.

>>533702664
Very little of it is futa though

>>533702827
share cause i guess im looking in the wrong common areas

>>533703029
>like 600 pics of Hoodwink found
>less than 30 are futa
Where are you looking?

>>533703430
Nothing on gelbooru and only 400 ish on r34, am I just in the wrong zones?

>>533703617
e6

>>533702664
more like why does she have way too many human features in all her art
>boobs
>huge ass
>basically drawn as a human female but with a squirrel head and tail

Parasma is so disgusting on OD lol.|
I have perfected eyeballing autoattack + R treshold to kill a pos 1. Often they think they're jsut taking a poke attack but in reality Parasma is gonna amplify R and nuke 3/4 of their HP.
In late game this mistake costs 1 min death. I also built Shivas for first time, it's probably good as well.

>>533703861
okay half these are on r34 but

>>533704658
kinda yeah its like yeah its furry but can i also not get all the furry shit with it? the sfm/model stuff is kinda okay

>>533702664
sorry that proved too harmful

>>533705769
Sure a lot of them are on r34 too but the tagging is a lot better on e6, just disallow futa and whatever other shit you dislike

>you are the only constant
is a pretty good take on life itself

>pick wisp, my core is AM
>enemies pick legion and bara to counter me thinking they'd farm us
>get armor/magic resist facet, build armor
>they can't kill me easily unless they hard commit
>he starts duelling others in vain, they are met with 60 hp/sec and 20 armor or I just relocate to base
always feels great when you outplay your counterpicks

>>533713686
Did your core pick am after you picked wisp? He kind of griefed you

>/dead 2g/
>Zeus ult now!

>>533714089
He was lastpick, I picked 1st phase. We also had a qop, it was not fun trying to catch up to them.
At least the pos 3 was my nigga and picked underlord for the innate and we reverse spirir break charged on anyond daring to show up on the map or legion trying to duel people.

>>533714906
>He was lastpick
He picked AM into lc and bara? Was he trying to lose?

>>533713686
>this guy actually thinks io counters are lc and sb
omg the actual state...

>>533715305
It's an AM player, he doesn't think.

Buff Hoodwink

>calibrate 2.5k
>just hit 3.5k
>played muerta and SF every game with 70% wr on both

i have no idea what im going to do once these heroes are banned

How do I play Earth Spirit effectively? I mainly just get assists as him.

mason crushing it in battlecup

>>533726769
literally who?

drawfags?

sex with hoodwink

>>533727739
dead, buried and forgotten.

>>533722819
literally everyones spams heroes to climb mmr but we pretend it's only a thing in lol.

who should i play while coming up on dissociatives?

>>533733534
Arc warden

>>533733534
Kez

>People say bots don't exist

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/246170067/matches

and then there's accounts like this

>>533743984
He's just bad like most herald players

>>533744214
No, I've seen his games and he is 100% a bot. He moves with scripted / telegraphed motions and doesn't react properly.

>>533743984
no one has ever said that

>don't build nullifier
>lose
oops lol

How many games on average do you actually feel like *you* win? As in, you specifically made the difference.

>>533752031
Every game. I'm the only one that bothers to prioritize taking objectives over brawling.

Watching replays there's many times where my team is 3-5k nw over the enemy team and I don't realize that during the match and play like a scared bitch.

>>533754175
Try to make a habit of looking at everyone's items throughout the game.

I like how they still commend me after playing like this. Apparently just for the novelty of seeing such a thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3sktieTMag
unless you're an ugly turbomanlet, you must quit this game

>>533760951
>2k hours
probably quit cuz bad

>>533760951
Only pussy bitches stop playing competitive games

>lose 4v5 because techies
>the techies says LOOK MY DAMAGE

>>533763015
>>533760951
I quit comp games for like 6 months and was just bored, ended up spending 1000x more on games and just never played them beyond the first 2 hours outside of a few exceptions. Gaming is just boring against the CPU.

hope china wins this so they get at least one tournament this year

>>533766161
I hope china wins so the tournament looks rigged

>>533764768
Well? Did you look his damage?

What's the current meta?

>>533768550
Qop sf np in all roles

>>533768943
Surely there's more heroes that does shit.

>>533769738
No

>>533768460
There needs to be another column titled "damage that actually matters". Techies would have 10k DTAM and 50k random bomb damage.

>>533769881
So shaman or lion does nothing? If you have no sf qop np in your team you lost the game?

>>533770708
Shaman is alright but not amazing, there are better supports
Lion is literal dogshit
If the enemy has more sf qop np than you you most likely lost
The pub hierarchy is qop > sf > np > powergap > axe > db

Marci carry playing right NOW

>>533770908
Well damn qop is my fav hero. Why did she go so high up in stock?

>>533771549
She just deals too much damage

i hate this all pick picking order so much it's unreal
blindly pick and roll the dice, wins become super fucking random, you counter the other guy you win, he counters you you lose, very cool

>>533771549
infinite damage
infinite mobility
and now with the bondage faucet
infinite survivability

>>533772874
doesnt seem that random at all

>>533773015
>not random
>blind pick 2nd phase, enemy offlane picks pudge, my carry picks jugg
>suffer a loss as the pudge levels flesh heap, stand there and takes 0 damage from spin and right clicks him for 200dmg min 5
>be forced to camp 4 heroes on that lane or risk pudge taking over the game, now the enemy mid and carry farm for free
complete diceroll, free win simply because he accidentally picked a counter, it is always like this

>>533773221
nothing random about what you described there and if you need more security with your team mates then you have the power to queue with others you trust
this is a big (You) problem

>>533743984
>5'4", bald, and autistic
Well guess it's another 1000 hours in Herald queue.

sex with fluffy lina

>>533774421
This

Reminder that the upcoming event will include loli pugna

>>533773569
>duuuuh just befriend the FUTURE random you'll get assigned in your soloq game
you are beyond fucking retarded

>>533774895
and fox Lina

>>533773569
just won a 17 minute game because i picked beast master against an enemy team that had next to no aoe, i did not play any better than usual, i simply won because i picked lucky

>>533774965
try and make some friends anon

>>533775090
the enemy failed to provide an aoe damage dealer with their draft
that isnt luck, that is just people being dumb

What's your excuse

>>533775204
they couldn't have known, i drafted second, the carry did try to remedy it with shadow fien, but 1 hero is not enough

>>533775361
>shadow fiend open in last pick
How?

>>533772993
>infinite damage
Cool story

>>533775361
>they couldn't have known
what? they can see their own picks
they dont need to know whether the opposition has a zoo hero, they need to defend against the possibility with a well rounded draft

>>533775328
im not rich

>>533775795
>infinite recursion with aghs dagger

>>533776062
The scream doesn't apply dagger, there's no recursion

>>533776614
paizuri with qop

>ame lost again
Kek
Can he do anything right?

>>533777027
chinese matchfixing to let tidebound play finals

>play with friend
>get matched with retarded duos and trios who refuse to play normally
>every match is a coin toss to see which team is getting stomped 90% of the time being us
>friend finally has enough and drops the game
>things go back to normal instantly as soon as I am alone again
Did you ever manage to convince a friend to play this? Because I give up.
This is the third time that this has happened. Dota is a lonely road.

neta shapiro is so fucking shit

>>533778126
>shaphiro

>>533777359
All they had to do was not get slammed in semis.

>>533778060
Used to play on my alt account with my friend, I picked shit I wanted to practice and the games were fine as the mmr difference wasn't too bad.
Valve banned that account because smurfing triggers shitters so I can only play on my main which is about 6k mmr above my friend, so the games are always unbalanced shit.
Why are high mmr players so persecuted by Valve?

this is fixed

tundra trash

Questionable decisions by Tundra

Maybe Tidebound is just good? 3 ex Wings players (including coach), Planet is good, NTS has been a strong mid for years, Shiro is uneven but has excellent games. they just got better

>>533778465
we're both on 4k range, so that isn't a problem
maybe we are just that unlucky, i have no idea

>>533777359
tidebound have been consistently better than XG for a long time now.

>>533778809
Tundra has been very hit or miss ever since they lost dyracho too.

>>533778809
They're not bad but I'm surprised they're in finals, they haven't had good playoffs... I want to say ever?
XG is going the way of rtz though

>>533778809
These are their results.
They're not bad, they have beat Betboom, Spirit, Falcons for example. So they're good enough to sometimes beat top teams but so far it's been at most 1 or 2 good wins per tournament.

>>533776062
>aghs dagger
Worst qop ability in the world. Imagine the old aghs upgrade that lowered sonic wave cooldown and increased damage than this "poison dagger" upgrade.

>havent played in month
>queue up
>my carry is a guy i avoid on 5-10 different accounts all named by the same name
>dies once
>buyback and feed
Yeah i wonder why i didnt play

>>533779342
I think XG's perf this tournament is due to having two stand ins filling in the support roles. Ame still has moments where he shines but unless he gets in an european team I doubt he's ever going to make it to finals again

>>533779754
I think Tundra have dropped a few series to tidebound before too. they're probably peaking right now, like Spirit peaks around EWC/TI time
the honeypot tournament theory might be true

>>533780032
I don't believe you

>>533779924
I think people get it to farm. Doesn't it just one shot neutral camps?

>invoker
tundra is 0-3 with it this event

Only Crystallis insists with playing Abaddon core. It never works

>>533781586
Nightfall also

>>533782107
I don't know why they do it. He really seems like worse lifestealer

just gg out

>>533782189
It sometimes looks really good. Like you're just annoying and unkillable. But you need other heroes to do damage.

>giving bzm invoker
gg go next

wtf are they doing

>>533782354
see >>533780418

>>533780097
Im epstein

sucksa genuinely sucks

>chinks throw

>>533782808
>

>>533783601
it's abaddon carrying

>30:23 (7k advantage)

Damn they actually clawed it back

tidebound had like 10k lead 13 minutes in

Can't beat the zog

has crystallis even played a real carry?

>>533785015
EU carries only play gimmick potm heroes instead of learning to master morphling, TA and tb which is why CIS carries are lapping them

>0/16 marci still wins

>>533785615
Potm heroes?

>>533784156
marci invoker

>>533786739
fotm* flavor of the month

i remember someone called him megamind

toondra...

NTS always goes crazy on ember

can china throw again?

okay china won their first tournament of the season

chinks lol

>>533792169
yeah... in china... really makes you think...

we are so back

Trophy made out of plastic or something considering how light it looks

degeneracy

holy giantess

>>533792431
ACTUAL DEGEN

>gorgc says "we were crushing our lane"
>shows the 5 minutes graph right before he feeds out of control

>>533792706
Name of that woman?

someone explain why this nigger with no items does so much dmg

>gorgc is 0/5 next game

somehow its always someone elses fault he feeds out of control in lane
MY POS5

>gorgc could maybe win, team was feeling some hope
>decides to go try to solo the stargate and dies

when will gorgc get banned for being boosted

>>533797448
the fuck is stargate

>>533770958
she has an arcana? was it another of those fomo items i missed cause i was deployed overseas?

>>533797894
stargate

>>533798831
a stargate is vertical

>>533798918
it'll work in any direction

gorgc loses his lane as a dirge
and goes
"I'm worried about our late game"

how about you win ur fucking lane LOL vs two weak piece of shit heros

thoughts on only getting the base boots on core roles? I'm hitting my timing so much faster after I've started doing this, it's especially good if your 1st item is a farming item like bf for AM

We need him now more than ever

>wraith nigger takes the spectral blade talent so now he has radiance 10 min later than a norma l wk

>>533804574
>Teammate picks the correct facet
What are you complaining about?

>>533804743
why are you even replying
get a job

>>533760951
>2k

>>533804808
Why are you even replying?
Kill yourself

>>533804574
game dependent

i'm not taking skeletons vs sven or axe or someone who is going to get +200 gold from me pressing W and trying to engage

>>533806464
b-but skeletons are da meta... reported!

>>533806464
who cares if sven at lvl 10+ can farm you skellies once every 5 min
you're sacrificing your own farm speed and kill potential in lane

>>533764768
>techies gets reworked into a normal burst damage hero
>retards still impulsively blame them
It was never about "4v5", hating Techies is a meme for shitters.

>get told post match IDs showing where I get trolled
>You have been banned from posting in the Dota 2 steam community (This post identifies and accuses other Steam users of bad behavior (naming and shaming). This type of content is not allowed on the Steam Community.)

fuck you valve you fucking niggers

>>533811713
Nu"techies" is worthless garbage, the Real Techies was an amazing hero

>>533811798
>>get told post match IDs showing where I get trolled
In what context? Did you go to steam support to whine about being "trolled"?

I'm going to become a meepo player. I just got done demoing the shit out of him. I feel sorry for my Ancient teammates for the next 10-15 games. Anyone got some item build tips? Like specific deviations you should make against certain heroes? Right now I'm thinking atos vs the spirit brothers and blink vs stuff like QoP or AM. When is it good to skip/not skip aghs?

>>533813432
>atos
Just get blink and aghs, maybe a diffusal first

>5 game finals
When did that last happen?

Is Gorgc seething now because Topson has started to stream during his hours and is way more popular than him?

>>533812467
No, it was on the community hub, one of two places any tickets direct you to because Steam Support does not handle Dota 2 issues.

>lose another game spic nigger np tping to feed
>np starts the game with loud mic spam
>lose game because can't out push naga+arc
>im the only core
>im hoodwink
>they're paired spics and a rando sb who got carried

bro i swear if this game just had region lock we'd be peak gaming.

>>533818132
>doesn't play on strict solo
Retard alert

>>533818268
no strict solo in turbo faggot

though the option should be across all game modes

>>533818359
>turbofag
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>533818359
>complaining about a fucking TURBO match
kys faggot

>>533818359
>playing turbo
Why would you ever willingly do this to yourself?

>>533818132
>peak gaming
>nudota
>on turbo

Battlepass confluence..

>all chat mute
>team mute
>dicking around in a normal tubo match
>did thing wrong!?!?!?!?!
>mass reported and banned for 3 hours
Is this why no one white plays this game anymore? Just angry 3rd worlders and cholos?

I can just tell some people don't like babysitting on mic but if you don't want me to micro you when the game becomes 40+ minutes you should have been born with a higher IQ.

Also, I ruined enemy's 16 prediction streak.

what is this fucking pathetic excuse of a carry
like legit who buys these items

>>533821521
>>all chat mute
>>team mute
>act surprised when people report you
No one to blame but yourself

kill yourself you faggot but also yeah strict solo not being in unranked makes unranked unplayable

>>533822013
you're not good
people who talk are notoriously bad at the game

>>533822727
I recognize that dantte guy, not surprised to see him at that low mmr

>>533822727
his damage was fine
you died 10 times

>>533823348
guess who was mvp? i had to trilane against pa tusk wisp
this fucking weaver had all the space in the world and he has basically 2 items min 40
>>533823331
relax its 8.5k

>>533823595
>relax its 8.5k
Yes, like I said
Low mmr

>>533823640
you're not even 10k why are you talking

>>533822917
>WHY ARENT YOU TRYING HARDING IN THE MEME GAMEMODE SARRR?!?!?!
>LET ME SPAM PING YOU AND GIVE YOU UNWANTED ADVICE!!!
People like you seriously need to be liquidated immediately.

>>533823678
Almost there man

>>533823875
gratz you're officially in the trench

>>533822727
The only issue with the build is no shard

>>533824006
The games have never been easier or better, I'm actually finally free form the trench

>>533824057
1. you definitely buy mkb at some point against ta
2. weaver absolutely buys satanic at some point
3. he could probably have a butter or skadi over a disperser
weaver shits on almost any hero late game with 25 talent
unfortunately this guy wasn't 25 buy you can go watch any weaver enjoyer and you will know i'm right

>>533824245
yeah we'll see
do you snipe ephey or jenkins for free mmr?

I'm reinstalling again for the first time since 2016. My most played heroes were Venge, Invoker and Windrunner. What do I pick into my first match?

>>533824706
I don't snipe anyone, and I think I've only played against Jenkins once and never seen Ephey. I was in s*nderen's team once though, horrible

>>533822727
lol you died 10 times and you can make a case your item build is kinda sus

>>533824830
All three are good but there's been changes to them you should try out in the demo mode first

>>533823328
>hey guys
>pings stats (100hp)
>I am going to base for stats
>don't fight (a carry and support are sitting on the enemy highground wantig to fight)
>5 enemies are alive, by the way
>they die
>repeat this for the whole game
You know what's a pattern? My team has 10-15 deaths, I have 2-4 per game.
I also have the most kill participation (not to speak about kills overall since it can be dishonest).
If people have 3-10k games at my rank while I have 600 that speaks a lot.

>>533825081
see >>533823595
also we were down 15k, 80% of my deaths were them steam rolling us early

>>533825251
Here's the replay if you really have nothing better to do, but I am ready to back myself up.

Grubby

>>533822727
>wins game and still cries like a bitch
low immortal moment

>ogre doesn't get midas
>8/2 because its ogre
>never with team
>we lose several fights because his stupid ass is pushing other lanes or farming jungle
>"why are you fighting without your best player?"

>mfw this nigger ends the game with the least amount of gold in the game and thinks he's doing anything but trolling

void spirit is the most broke dick nigger hero ive ever seen

holy fuck i though kez was stupid cause hes overloaded, nothing on voidnigger the untouchable. literally 0 counter play and he can chain cc forever that you can't escape.

one day i hope i luck myself into higher mmr so i can be "that guy" in my server that everyone endlessly bitches and moans about. perhaps i will go full autist about it too like that guy who used to torture BSJ in pubs

>>533827365
He's dogshit though

Do things really get better at high behavior scores?
Currently at 6k been very slowly climbing up from my lowest at 2k and im getting pretty tired of people giving up and going down mid/afk, this shit happens every two games in either team, its just frustrating at this point

>>533827651
it gets progressively better then when you hit max score it drops again because you have to play with redditors

>>533827365
he's puck but bad

>>533827592
I see people complain about Hoodwink being evasive and op but this hero is absolutely retarded. Unstoppable blink that leaves him far as fuck and lmao stuns you with no counterplay against it because why would there be counterplay?

Can't even fucking bkb out of shit this nigger does.

>>533828596
>I see people complain about Hoodwink being evasive and op
Did you just wake up from a coma or something? Hoodwink has been shit for a year and even before that only shitters thought she was op

>>533828596
Pick disables
Buy items that counter him

Grubby gained 6.5k MMR by spamming hoodwink

>>533828596
Silence him
Root him
Stun him
Leash him

Why did Dota die?

>>533828596
every spirit brother (plus the breaker) gets fucked hard by atos, one of the cheapest items in the game

>>533829934
Void always gets a manta and will have BKB later, atos is useless against him.

>>533829776
Didn't he spam warlock and other braindead support heroes that end up contributing no matter what as his team carried him?

>>533830080
it slows him down early, sometimes thats all you need

>>533830234
Later on he played pos4 and was just shooving a lane 24/7 no matter what. He would die and then instantly TP and go back to shooving the lane when he respawned only to die again.
Then if he lost he blamed his team while he ignored them all game.

>>533829776
this guy looks like chad and stacy had an incest baby

>latam players play unironicly better at my rank
What the fuck is this and why is every english speaker a autistic retard on NA EAST.
>>533829902
matchmaking

>>533829902
Valve

What games do you play after a bad loss? For me it's factorio.

>>533832539
Intravenous or Word Play as of late

>>533832539
monster hunter but all depends was heavy into nba2k

>>533832539
Dota 2.

>>533832539
requeue pussy

>>533835118
I play for fun.

gonna lose another game cuz of retard carry

>>533836313
wow i lost
my 550 gpm sf at 46 min has 5 kills
unbelievable

>duo players both die 10 times each
>sniper and drow both do nothing and sniper builds no damage
>trying to win a 3v5 vs ogre vs(core) necro and a clinkz
>they constantly go out trying to hunt and fight solo
>die in 2/3v1 fights

>no action taken after game

seriously.

>>533837779
>>533836313
yeah it's a fucking classic

I honestly think the game wants me to lose because every game I play my sidelanes grief + feed (12k score btw))))))))))))) ) while I get like 20-40 kills on pos 2 and carry the entire weight on my shoulders.
No joke I think 18 out of 20 games we are in worse position by minute 10 on the side lanes.
I win them anyways but it's honestly getting boring. I hate Archon it's so dogshit.

>>533651094
are you a herald or a carry tranny

>>533702305
dude you are retarded

Is dota+ worth it?

>>533840861
whats the difference

>>533841587
depends how much you play dota, if daily I'd say yeah.

poor masao

>>533841587
Fuck no.
>le AI Guides
total dogshit
>Leveling up
many challenges remain broken using skills that dont exist anymore due to reworks
>Shards
all sets are dogshit and dota chest exclusive chest too.
>Battle cup free every weekend
should be fucking free also nobody fucking cares.
The legit ONLY usage of dota plus is to spam monkey sounds when south americans appear in your game, otherwise its not, it hardly has any purpose existing.

Spoiler: you can mod in Opendota guides into the game, from actual pros and real stats.

>>533841587
you buy it for the avoid list everything else is a mild annoyance

>>533843394
>you buy it for the avoid lis
>>533843274
These, also is playing only perfect score games (5) good? Does it make a difference?
>>533842345
Figured.

>my mid last picks zeus
>dies a billion times
>their mid last picks puck, has full inventory and 20 kills
wow epic i love being force 50'd

meanwhile on reddit

any tips on how to have impact as tusk?

i need to vent

>>533844646
her ears need to be about 150% longer and her breasts need to be 200% bigger

>>533845701
see this is why you have no drawfags because all you do is bitch and moan never actually complimenting others

Friendly reminder dota is in a pathetic sad state while this fat fuck buys a literal yacht manufacturer.

>>533846870
What do you want him to buy? Dota? are you retarded?

>>533846989
NTA but maybe spend 0.0000001% of his money to hire a dev or two to work on Dota.

>>533849335
Hiring more devs is not the answer. Same shit would happen if you hire 50 devs.

>>533849335
okay now we have skibidy toilet forknife battle passes

>>533849991
It does make a big difference if you have zero people working on the game.

>>533849991
lol ok retard.

>>533851259
>>533851238
>t. project managers

>>533849991
at least with more devs the game client might be less buggy

If I had a dollar for every time the steam overlay crashed my PC I could buy Valve.

Who the fuck decided this unstable piece of shit was a good idea?

>>533856195
>Who the fuck decided this unstable piece of shit was a good idea?
Valve mostly have Indian programmers now

>my team has 3000 matches played between all of us, with me at 2000
>enemy team has over 25000 matches played

what in the kentucky fried fuck is this, volvo.

>>533856456
There are low MMR players with more hours played than some T1 pros. It really just does not matter.

primal breast

>pick pa
>get support kotl
>kotl spams the wave down and I can't farm
>tell kotl to stop
>kotl spams and starts following me
>wards every camp
>steals whatever creep i'm fighting
>buys rapiers and feeds them

this nigger needs to be dragged out in the street and shot, but no matter how many reports get filed, his faggot ass isn't banned.

>>533861059
A cup with tiny areolas and a big nipple

>>533861061
this guy will never get banned but if you call him a nigger you will be muted

>>533856195
works fine on my machine

>>533861506
[Erotic Roaring]

Can we kill the nigger hero known as "Axe" already?

ran out of role tokens
now I get to turn my brain off and play offlane again
yippee

>>533836313
If you'd won it'd been because of the enemy dogshit carry

>>533856456
I have 1500 games and most of my matches are with archons with 4k+
Sometimes I see niggas with 10k

every single time i pick necro the enemy team is guaranteed to blind pick dazzle in the same phase. it drives me up the fucking wall

>>533867495
>picking a hero that gets hard countered by an item as well as a dozen heroes

>>533867495
I genuinely don't understand why they nerfed necro ult to no longer pierce bkb. it's fucking stupid. he's come down so hard from "lmao enjoy 3 minute respawn with no buyback."

>>533871791
because its was a literal "I win" button?

>>533873270
The hero was mediocre then, dogshit now
Bring back the old aghs

What steps do I have to take to play on a new account and not have it instantly smurf pooled or my main banned or whatever? A VPN is enough? Or would I need to spoof my HWID too? I currently play on Debian 12, would simply playing on Windows with a VPN be enough? Does playing on known VPN IPs trigger anything? Please reserve judgement for other posters!

>how do i smurf without smurfing

>new riko's at pixiv
>it's not dota related
it's so fucking over

>>533873834
im wondering this too

i mean, less about how to evade ban, just wondering how many games before i get my friend banned for queuing on an archon account when my main is immortal

im like 99% sure the matchmaking puts other smurfs on the enemy team btw. its some weird mix of ancients/divines on archon/legend accounts

>>533802989
>it's especially good if your 1st item is a farming item like bf for AM
I've tested exactly this multiple times and it doesn't make a difference. Bf then boots isn't faster than Boots then BF, except when you experience zero harassment in lane.

However I do often getting cornucopia, then boots, then the rest of BF.

>>533873270
it was a reliable stun even through bkb and it wasn't that long, either. and if bkb was up it did no damage.

plenty of other champs have absurd ults that pierce bkb and have way more game impact

>>533873834
Play like shit intentionally

>>533878546
I just want 10-20 games in a lower bracket so I'm not griefing my own teammates so hard while trying to learn Meepo. At first I didn't care but the games are kinda miserable when you're already playing shitty then your team gives up and starts intentionally throwing/griefing/breaking items/etc. At least if I played 2-3k mmr lower it would be the other team doing that shit.

>>533873834
all new pc lol vpn is not enough at all

>>533881894
So just play on my laptop with VPN?

>>533881953
yes that would be for the best

>>533881894
I also don't immediately believe this because people bypass hardware tracking anti-cheats in all sorts of games. Surely there's a way. The unique identifiers I can find so far on Linux are your MAC address, IP, your hostname, and something called a "Machine ID" which you can edit with the notepad. Do you know of some other way Valve can track me?

>>533882129
Steam checks your hardware ID

>>533882795
That doesn't seem to actually be a thing on Linux, from what I can tell. The closest would be the "Machine ID."

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/8401928333

>turbofag

say what you want but

I'm tired boss. My back hurts. I played so fucking hard with a dumpster abortion team.

>>533886685
Which one are you?

>>533887127
I was windrunner.

I was on 5 items most of the game because I had to keep dust available, and when we were against megas I just said fuck it and bought the first rapier. I almost managed to push them out again but I didn't have enough time to take T3 mid when they were respawning.

Finally won a game with Meepo bros. Got carried kinda hard but I didn't feed and helped in at least a few fights. Hopefully by the end of my 30 remaining role queue games I will no longer be griefing.

>>533888375
I should cash in on playing role queue while I still can talk... I know it won't last.

I do not care about your opinions if you're a retard that plays anything other than turbo. The game doesn't deserve to be treated as anything more than a quick dose of slop.

>>533829776
I spammed my fav hero and I cant get out of 2k
I feel very bad about myself

>>533890132
>webm
God I need this badly

Dota deserves better than Valve

>>533886685
>no bkb
kys 47.99% winrate unranked archon retard

>>533888375
>Got carried kinda hard but I didn't feed and helped in at least a few fights
Thats naturally when you are picking up a harder hero, especially a real micro hero. You don't go from complete shit to carrying your team, you go from "complete shit griefing that causes your team to lose" to simply "not preventing your teammates from winning".

Keep it up though. It's a great feeling having a hero like Meepo you can bust out in the right draft.

Nice mid retard

Why isn't Gorgc streaming at his normal hours anymore?

why do people who have no idea how to play invoker pick ivoker

>>533902562
because the only way to learn injoker is to ruin a few hundred games

>>533902952
not in my ranked games

>>533903041
yes in your ranked games :^)

>mid or carry gets caught and dies
>mid or carry gets caught and dies
>mid or carry gets caught and dies
>still no bkb
>lose game
good job niggers you wasted 40 min for nothing and you only got worse at the game

losing a game with a mithril hammer in your inventory after 40 minutes should be automatic LP

i am so fucking sick of winning my lane so hard every game only to find both my other lanes losing even harder so i now have to play 4v1 in my liane while they still die like niggers

>>533905453
White man's burden

like how do you even lose to a fucking pudge as ursa
any time he wants to cs you press w and do 400 dmg to him

here it fucking comes
im gonna lose 400 mmr getting matched with absolute nigger turds

>>533906276
south americans will find a way

>>533906460

why do people let sven, tb, luna, sf free farm side camps for 30 min? if i forced him out of lane at 3 min it's your job to go kill him more

>>533906468

wow imagine if i had this spell on my nigger offlaner

first pick carry btw

>>533907434
first pick offlane

support god

>>533908419
Give him 15 minutes he'll be on a godlike streak and you'll be at their t4s

>>533906276
you try and go on him at lvl 2 and he wins the lane from killing you

what happens if u buy aghs AFTER a retard alchs gave u aghs?

>>533910706
nothing apparently
and now my team is angry becaused i had a courier with aghs when this nigger gave it to me
unfortunate but its my fault ofc :-)

truly epic

>>533911768
also pretty epic my mid sf with lasting presence and 4 kill participation in 36 min

>>533881434
Play against bots if you want to practice meepo. Please don't ruin the experience for newfags even further

>>533856456
I have 650 games and I'm at 2700 MMR with almost 60% winrate.
At the end of the game if I'm annoyed I just call them all bots because they're at the same rank as I am with thousands of more matches, they shut up quickly. Of course, the only reason we even lost the game is because I picked a new hero on mid and didn't carry the entire game with 30 kills at the end, since I'm seemingly the only human constant in the past 100 games I played.

>>533906460
we did it bros!!!!

why do people say they nerfed bracer? the item looks unchanged

>>533914956
it had its stats doubled after minute 25

>>533914956
It used to give MR, then for a while the item got 2x stronger after a certain amount of time in game.

>>533897013
What would BKB have helped me in that game? I wasn't getting locked down. Link was putting in hella work all game cause I linked it just to cuck SB and it worked a treat. BKB wouldn't have stopped bane or pudge ult, and the issue was trying to ult spec before she popped manta so I could still murder her.

What would have fucking helped would have been that nigger alch not having half the GPM he should, and ogre to not be a pussy ass bitch and actually fight instead of just bitch around and throw random fireblasts from the backline.

Patch this week surely, there's not much longer until TI

>Furion, QoP, DB, Shaman in every fucking game
>3 Blademails on each team every fucking game
Patch when?

>lina loses mid to a leshrac
>my pos 3 pb overshoots his q every time
>my pos 5 axe has brown boots at 20 min, didn't max w, didn't go for urn
epic day

>>533921703
yeah no fucking wonder this guy didn't put any points in q hahaHAHGAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HOW ARE THESE PEOPLE OVER 8k MMR
WHAT IS GOING ON IN DOTA

>>533922545
satanic does this too by the way,

>>533923085
satanic is not a mid player u fucking nigger

k now i've got a qop that wont play for some reason
very fun

>>533924168
i love when people for some reason pick the meta item build but are so disconnected they can't understand why the facet
for some reason he's not playing the game and its quite obvious when you find out his iq is 50

>gorgc 2/6

every game

why would he pick a hero he claims is the "worst hero in dota" ?
just griefing?

>>533924908
ah its one of those guys!

>this thirdie commenting gorgc stream on here live
what the fuck happened to this place. who cares. go play the game yourself

Turns out gorestorm is the better naix facet, you guys were right. They should make it so you also drench the enemies in blood when you infest allies and opponents, to make the hero even more broken than it is

oh look its another one of those 300 gpm carries that take spectral blade

>>533929941
>taking the good facet is... LE BAD

>>533930387
>good facet
it does no fucking damage

>>533924908
Spoonfeed me, why blademail with this facet?

>>533931808
only if they bkb

>>533932602
there is no why
you don't with this facet
this guy's just incredibly stupid and plays 2 games a month and for some reason does it in my ranked games
he stopped playing before 10 min for absolutely no reason at all

Kill all smurfs.
Behead, rape, and disfigure all smurfs.
Genocide all smurfs.
Ban and delete all smurf accounts.
Destroy their family, their homes, their livelihood.
Chop of their penises, feed their balls to dogs, castrate, dismember and torture them to death.

>>533934959
But smurfing is a positive for the community?
Account buying and having someone else boost your account is the real problem, and against steam ToS unlike smurfing.

>>533935173
Kill all smurfs.
Behead, rape, and disfigure all smurfs.
Genocide all smurfs.
Ban and delete all smurf accounts.
Destroy their families, their homes, their livelihood.
Chop of their penises, feed their balls to dogs, castrate, dismember and torture them to death.
Shave off their nipples with cheese graters. Shear off their skin and bury their bleeding bodies in containers with killer bees. Cut off their tongue, hook their nose to rampanging bulls, tear off their limbs with wild horses. Pierce their eyes with heated iron forks. Doxx and accuse them of terrorism, racism, transphobia and rape. Throw them in a tank of hungry sharks. Fucking kill them all.

>>533935603
Why do you get so upset that someone is better than you?

>>533935698
Kill all smurfs.

>make alt account
>get banned on alt account and main account because shitters cry
>grief 300 games on main account to drop down to shitter mmr
>stomp shitters
>since it's the main account it's fine
>you're allowed to stomp shitters if you grief normal players first
Explain this

>>533935698
Kill yourself

>>533935173
account buying is a direct product of smurfing

>>533936581
People would still smurf if account buying was actually punished. Having an alt account to play with shitter friends or try out new heroes on is completely fine but for some reason it's punished unlike account buying and paying someone to boost your account.

Smurfing is one of the reasons there no new blood in dota. Not the main one but one of the contributing factors nonetheless. If you want to play with your shitter friends, queue unranked on your main account and if you want to try a new hero, once again just play unranked until you feel confident. Total smurf death

>>533937172
Shitters with 10k+ hours is the actual reason, new players don't want to be matched with subhumans that think they can insult someone for being new despite being 1k mmr after literal years in the game.

>>533937345
As I said, smurfing is not the main problem for new players but it's still a bad thing. Just paly on your main account, nigger

>>533937779
I'm forced to play on my main account, unfortunately that means I can't play with my friends as the unranked matchmaking shits itself if the mmr difference is too big. I had an alt account where I picked heroes I never play and heroes in unusual positions but that one got banned because shitters get upset when they're reminded that people better than them exist.
Valve doesn't want people to play with their shitter friends, which is another reason the game is dying. It's impossible to get your friends into this game as you can't play with them without the matchmaker punishing you.

>>533936869
>People would still smurf if account buying was actually punished.
account buying is punished all the same as smurfing
>Having an alt account to play with shitter friends or try out new heroes on is completely fine but for some reason it's punished unlike account buying and paying someone to boost your account.
its too easily abused, like it is now to generate accounts to buy

Funny how the Deadlock general is just as slow as the Dota 2 general.

Smurfs are not really a problem in my shitter rank (archon) I feel. From the 200 ranked games I have played (I came back after years) I feel there were maybe 3-5 sus players, usually mid that were just way too good at laning/spell casting, rotations, etc and their steam profiles were new and didn't have their data in opendota. Maybe there are more but don't tryhard at all unless needed but I doubt it.
Now Divine does look awful, for other reason, I have a friend there and it seems every games has someone who probably brought an account.

>>533652007
place aether remnant facing puck's phase shift and or euls, catches instantly
deceptively tanky from the free armor he gains from intrinsic edge, other stats to a lesser degree

What if you're just good at the game? Are the shitters that cry about smurfs going to report new players that are better than them? No wonder there's no fresh blood.
Total shitter death.

>>533942667
sure two people with zero dota2 experience may be a different levels of skill
but neither of these groups compare to someone with vast dota2 knowledge from years of experience like a smurf

>>533943569
Compared to the literal retards with thousands of hours that are still stuck in herald, yes, it's definitely possible for a brand new player to be better than them.

>>533943754
>it's definitely possible for a brand new player to be better than them.
Not to the point they completely dominate the game and end every match in 20 minutes like actual smurfs

jubei won

You should need to upload your government ID when playing this game and have your name and surname along with a photo posted on official servers.

why do all heroes need 8 abilities now?

>>533948715
league of legends

I don't mind valve taking their time to make sure we're getting quality content. I'd rather wait as opposed to rushed / half baked content.
BUT
there being literally 0 communication INFURIATES me. All you have to do is a blog post saying "were cooking, expect a patch/pass around x date"

Not only would it shut up all the whiny people asking for the pass every single week, but it would build hype.

I don't get it man, I think they actually like watching everybody squirm for the even every year

dear frog please gut ss and dazzle as soon as you can thanks much
-anon

>queue for 1:30 min
>cancel
>queue for 1:30 min
>cancel
>queue for 1:30 min
>cancel
They're trying to set me up with griefers.

>>533954067
They are trying to find a team that can carry you

Why do people insist on going to the enemy team's bounty as soon as the game starts and risk killing themselves for 40 gold (actually -10 gold if they smoked for it)? Is this a low MMR thing?

>65 minute queue
>some dumb spic fails to connect
permanent range ban when

>>533954275
Fighting early is based and the best way to start the game, stop being bad

>>533943754
It's possible to be better than literally retarded bottom 2% players but nobody is going to be beating divine players the same week they started playing.

>>533940884
wtf are wrong with these people's faces

>>533954771
They're slavs

>>533954275
would you rather sit spread on your own bounty while the enemy smokes as 5 on you? i always smoke my team as support and i wish more would do it
it sets up mid ward + jungle ward for bounty and rotations

>>533954275
>risk killing themselves for 40 gold
It's 400 gold, idiot

>>533954275
it's a risk but if you get a first kill it's great. life's about taking risks dotard

>retard on my team in unranked
>look at his dotabuff
>immortal

What do you do, when your 4 picks some meme fucking shit like Riki and offers nothing to do lane and I can't walk to creep without losing like 80% hp or dying? Leach exp only?

>>533955236
buying accounts is valid chud they earned that mmr more than you did

I don't get balanced even games when i win anymore. When I win the opposite team taps our early and it's a walk to their ancient. But when I lose, I have long tedious losses where a final grief by a teammate costs us our base. What causes this? I just wish I had long complicated games, but they end in a win

>>533955705
good news anon you're playing slightly above your skill level

China will win TI

>>533954216
Actually, unironically, true, I got carried this game.

Should I just start banning necro mid? I feel like its always people who dont play the lane picking him

>Oracle mid
This shit is so annoying.

>>533959241
i have an end in mind for u

>>533945432
>jubei won
What? The nigger virgin neet award?

Theres fresh sorapoi and this general is dead.
Don't make a new thread.

>>533962368
buy an ad

>>533960907
damn wish I was black so I could compete

Is playing offlaners from behind literally impossible if the enemy doesn't throw?

>>533966031
depends on your pick. if you're playing pos3 viper don't expect an easy comeback

>>533962368
post it nigga.

>>533969571
kill yourself

>>533966602
I played Axe. It was not easy to get good calls, and the ones I did nobody followed up on me.
The other game I was playing Centaur, it was even more difficult.

>>533957606
I kind of hope so, I have no team I'm really into this year and China winning would be good for the health of the game

>>533972334
You know I was gonna say fuck China but you're right, if they win one maybe more chink teams will care

My friend said Jungler is making a comeback that true? I like mechanics in Dota more than LoL but hate laning

>>533974148
No one except retards and griefers jungle

>>533974148
Jungling was de jure removed from the game because it's not fun to watch in esports.

>patch this week
Feels good

My dad said the patch is coming out on Wednesday

>>533974242
>>533975160
Dotanator jungle Enigma goes crazy thougheverbeit. You can try it. I think Veno is maybe okay still too but not as much impact.

>>533975615
Youtube videos are made by thirdies on smurf accounts. Anything works for them.

>>533976071
Dotanator is always playing on his main in 9k-10k mmr and you can very easily check this by using the opendota combos feature.

>>533976193
>9k-10k mmr
so deep in the mariana trench then

>>533976268
Better than everyone in this thread besides like 6 posters.

Shadow fiend is a fair and balaced hero

>>533976419
specially in safe lane with a babysitting support.
and specially against melee.

>>533972926
The problem is there's no new blood in China, their teams are full of old players. Chinese kids would rather play mobileslop. I'm rooting for Tidebound to win TI since that team is basically the old Wings.

>>533976349
I'm one of those :)
Also jungle is dogshit against any competent team, you cripple one of your lanes for no real benefit. It's better to have a farmed core and a leveled support than underleveled and underfarmed core and a jungler
Jungle veno from three patches or so ago was a literal grief pick, wow you got a farmed veno and a pos 3 with 0 farm what a great tradeoff

>>533976725
I don't think anyone is calling it the most optimal strategy.

>>533976828
it's not just suboptimal you tard it's literally griefing. if you refuse to learn to lane then just pick skywrath or something and mash buttons

>>533976997
Didn't look like griefing