Thread 533653682

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>Update 9.0 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/247-patch-notes-update-9-0

>July Community update
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/248-july-community-update

>Roadmap:
https://i.imgur.com/38C5Cg9.jpeg

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general
https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks

Previously on the Battle-Barge: >>532891430

>>533640621

It's really pissing me off. Every solo run I have is ruined because of these faggots triple spawning and shielding each other from behind cover like they're a fucking TF2 medic popping Uber.

They reverted the Assault Power Fist animation back to the top version. I'm starting to think the bottom was unintentional, due to the Power Sword having a very similar animation, and the Power Sword was given to Assault in the same update.

>>533654259
Even if it was just animation swap with how PS works I still like its 'superhero' style on PF.

Death to Nidders.

Ngl i was actually surprised they didnt lock weapon colors behind requisition paywall. Now that i think about it, perhaps the other colors were going to be, they just didnt manage to code it on time.

Is there any more confirmation that the "new weapons" will actually be a stronger, higher tier of weapons, and not just skins?

>>533667114
They want people to farm for colours even if it meant bailing out on wave 5 or 10

>>533654259
This is probably unintentional. You should forward it to Saber support.

My in-game block list is full, I wonder if Steam has a limit.

>>533679695
Post ID so I can block (You)

>>533667410
Other than the redditor who reposted that the new tier is going to be called heroic instead of relic? Not really

>Play absolute
>Melta heavy
>Block sniper who never uses his primary

>>533690204
melta heavy is the best heavy tho

tried absolute for the first time
except for having 2 zoans and a ravener spawn in at the exact same time as a carnifex and a fucking venom cannon beam being invisible with no sound tell, wasn't that bad

>>533691794
Ahaha
Ahahahahahahahaha
Ahaha….
Ha…
Good one

>>533692971
If you’re playing melta heavy you might as well just be playing melta tac or melta vanguard, you’d be doing about the same damage and bringing more utility
There’s no reason to play melta heavy just like there’s no reason to play HBR heavy

The problem with melta is that you’re specializing into chaff clear - which everyone can already do with their melee weapon - and giving up the ability to do any real damage to Majoris or Extremis targets. It’s just a niche that doesn’t need to be filled.

The Emperor protects; got this game off cheap thanks to the dev sale.

Any tips? how many hours of fun am I looking to?

>>533696141
It's also why pyreblaster will most likely be DoA
Melta but without stun, perhaps with slightly faster TTK and/or ammo stores, will just not be worth anything

>>533698448
How much do you enjoy PvE content, and what is your frustration threshold for janky bugged gameplay?

>>533698448
I got 300 hours out of operations alone without ever touching the PvP
But I’m autistic and enjoy progression systems

>>533698448
I just really like killing nidders

I’d wager Sniper is probably the least player class overall

>>533698854
If it reasonably staggers majoris, it has good use-cases.
A lot of operations have sections where you're in tight tunnels.
Idk that you'd ever gear towards those specific situations but they do exist.

>>533716041
>if it reasonably staggers majoris
It won’t

>>533698854
>It's also why pyreblaster will most likely be DoA
Depends on if it's going to do DoT or not. If it sets enemies on fire, that's both unique and possibly some nutty damage when you consider how this game works.

For other weapons, having to block and dodge is a net DPS loss. For a weapon that does DoT, it's still cooking during these moments.

>>533713370
The sniper playstyle has fallen off a cliff with siege mode but on normal Operations it's still kang.

How many fucking venom cannon warriors do these damn terminus call in? I could deal with the extremis reinforcements but fuck me there's like 12 warriors on the field with a carnifex and more keep coming

>>533686440
Please James Workshop make Saber add red weapons to space marine 2.

>>533722067
I just mean that people, in general, are least attracted to the sniper archetype in a game like this

>>533722594
I just want one or two more points per weapon tree

>>533722660
no shit it's hard to be a sniper when you're being swarmed by enemies and you're heavily punished for staying far behind

>>533723242
No I mean the character archetype, not the gameplay archetype
Like being a dude with light armor and a cloak looks pretty fucking lame in a game where everyone is a heavy armored killing machine

>>533722830
I just want the snipers to have not shit breakpoints. Maybe we will get all 3 with red weapons.

>>533722830
The weapon perk tree as it exists sucks, it's just a bunch of bullshit perks that only do anything in extremely specific scenarios for a couple seconds or tiny stat boosts that make no noticeable difference.

>>533724831
Some of those +10% headshot damage / +10 damage to Majoris nodes actually hit meaningful breakpoints, so they don’t make no noticeable difference

Dead fucking game. If it wasn't a 40k IP it would be literally dead in the water right now. Fucking faggots incompetent devs.

>>533728596
>12k players on Steam alone at sleepy Euro/Asia hours
>Somehow a dead game

so how do i reliably deal with terminus spawns on absolute without getting shredded all my hp? Any general tips or is it just git gudder

>>533731059
Git gudder
Figure out who the boss is aggro’d onto
Whoever doesn’t have aggro should try and clear the field of Majoris/Extremis as fast as possible while the guy with the boss on him stays alive
Then DPS the boss and repeat for the second wave of summons
Then kill boss
This is why classes with high burst damage are good, you need to kill stuff as fast as possible

Salamanders are 100% getting a Heavy Champion skin in the new Season Pass. Very much feels like the "returning" Chapters are going to be an apology piece for fucking up the likes of Salamander Sniper, or Assault not getting a Champion Raven Guard/Blood Angel.

>>533741180
The only good choice for Sniper was Raven Guard, Raven Guard doesn’t work for Assault when there’s no lightning claws in the game

>>533742075
There are only so many Astartes weapons, a Lightning Claw will come.

Am I fucking my squad mates by doing hard siege without being prestige 4? I really, REALLY hate the prestige system in this game. The exp boosts for each reset needs to be significantly increased.

>>533742821
Yeah
Why the fuck are you playing hard siege mode though, if you haven’t gotten your pimple helmet already you’re too late, and no one actually plays that shit for fun

>>533743629
>no one actually plays that shit for fun
I do.

>>533744895
Dont look at me like that.

>>533742770
I will personally buy every anon in this thread the season pass that includes Raven guard with lightning claws for assault. But it will never happen with these devs.

Pyreblaster is either going to me absolutely immense or shit, it's not even going to be a middle ground.

Bros /v/ is making fun of us

>>533747425
yeah im not really looking forward to it. best case scenario is its like the flamer from drg.

>>533749276
It'll be perfect if they give it good range and make majoris and below flail in panic when lit up.
It's going to be shit. Shotgun range, no stagger, no crits, massive ammo drain.

>>533747425
i wish its a liquid flamer, we have too many gas flamers in media, but its also strange we havent gotten a graviton gun for heavy

>>533750019
there was a gravgun datamined a while back. idk if its still a thing tho

>>533749698
There are so many factors here for a flamethrower that's going to determine its viability.

>Can it light the ground on fire?
>Does it deal damage over time?
>Does it cause panic?

It needs something, because like you said, it's definitely not gonna do any critical damage just like plasma.

>>533747721
both of those are shit noob takes
>>533751268
with what they presented its gonna be ass
no stun, seemingly no DoT, and low damage, tho that might be for presentation

>>533750323
Some strings are still in the files afaik. The question is when not if.

>fighting carnifex
>get staggered by A FRAG FOUR FUCKING TIMES
hate doesn't begin to describe this

Here's one. Rate the classes based on their fun factor.

>>533756059
Sure
S-tier:
Heavy
A-tier:
B-tier:
C-tier:
D-tier:
F-tier:
Tactical
Assault
Vanguard
Bulkwark
Sniper

>>533756059
Assault = Bulwark > Heavy > Vanguard = Tactical > Sniper

How can I deal with neurothrope bosses and zopes spawning on carnifex when attempting true solo absolute as assault? Ditch the plasma pistol and take the heavy bolter? Kite to the back of the map while taking pot shots with the plasma and avoiding the carnifex?

>>533757394
Don't shoot Neurothropes as Assault, it's a complete waste of ammo. The trick is to wait them out until they slam into the ground. They always have a tell on when they're about to do it, they spawn five psyker rings around them just before they fall, so the idea is to jump up and ground pound underneath them just as they drop. Then you wail on them with your melee weapon and repeat.

>>533757394
plasma doesnt do enough against thropes, not having headshot bonus against a creature thats 90% head is quite annoying

>>533756059
Bulwark>Heavy>Tact>Assault=Vanguard>Sniper

Except for the first three, the rest probably depends on my mood.

>>533756059
Prestiging everybody has made me realize how fucking boring Sniper is, I can say that with confidence. This is likely due to never being at full power ever and always being in this shitty middleground every time I go from 20 to 1 again.

>>533761528
are all his good perks just in that last row? I haven't gotten around to prestiging him and vanguard yet

The Balanced Chainsword has the Fencing parry window, I swear to fucking God it does. I'm parrying at the last possible millisecond and I'm getting a perfect counter every time instead of being staggered like pre-9.

>>533761897
His last row has Adaptability, Lethal Efficiency, Squad Renewal, Tactical Ambush and Pattern of Excellence. All of this have a place in some of his best builds.

>>533679695
Ok troon lmao, only spiritual troons and commies block and report

Be honest, how many of you havent cleared all ops on absolute/got the pouldron before the buff?

>>533771843
>all ops on absolute
Did you mean Pauldrons or the helmet? If latter then I did do it way back when they added it in. If you meant Pauldrons then pretty much the same - soon after the patch (with them) hit live. So yeah, I managed to get them before the buffs.
Overall, I usually do the new content shortly after they put it out. But I guess it's easier since I havea couple of people to play with outside /sm2g/.

Best build for the Heavy Bolt Rifle? Is it just going all in on +25 meters = 20% damage x2 + 20% headshot damage -10% body damage?

We have begun updating the Fandom wiki weapon section. The melee weapons are fully updated. Hopefully the data is accurate since I did use chatgpt to help me parse the differences, using the data from the current patch, and I had no time to actually verify it all.

We have also reorganized the mechanics section. Gunstrike, parry, adrenaline surge etc are all put into the same section under melee. I'm not sure where damage formula is put under atm, but if you can't find it you can still search it up.
>>533772383
It's a solid loadout esp if you use the scope one. Also tactical precision has the wrong description: it actually reduces any of the weapons ranged damage by 10%, and adds an extra 30% to your headshot damage. This means no matter where the bullet ends up it's always doing 10% less damage. The headshot damage probably offsets it but the true damage is going to be lower than what the description would imply.

Rapid fire weapons should get perks related to dealing bodyshot damage. Precision weapons should get perks related to dealing headshot damage.

Don't get why this is difficult. This is precisely why bolt weapons that aren't the Stalker feel like shit. The Bold Carbine was brute-forced into feeling good with an invisible +50% damage boost when enemies are close.

Haven’t played since February. Are more multiplayer pve missions coming? Or is this all?

>>533777412
Three more are coming, one might be dropping next month. No guarantees.

YOOOO MARKSMAN BOLT CARBINE WITH THE X2 HEADSHOT MODIFIER IS A FUCKING MONSTER

>>533777762
Neat

>>533779671
Here's a list of all the content we're aware is coming

>Next month (Definite)
Minor balance tweaks
Helbrute Mode (PvP)
Pyreblaster (Heavy weapon)
Power Axe (Will most definitely be on Assault and Bulwark. Vanguard and Tactical are a coin flip)
3-4 new Chaos Spawn enemies (Intention is to make Chaos more fun to fight by introducing multiple new melee units)


>Up in the air, but close
Techmarine class
The 3 new Operations
Improved/reworked customization

>>533757728
>>533757761
Alright what about for regular zoanthropes? Master the spacing on the power fist charge or use the plasma ammo? Change to heavy bolter pistol.

>>533782059
sol, zoanthropes never land and they spawn in pairs

>>533776794
This is because they balanced automatic bolter around auspex and even the parry bonus. This is why they should reduce the overall multiplier of auspex, and probably make parry bonus only applicable to melee damage.

>>533751268
they're just going to copy the one from the campaign.

do you think it's laziness or on purpose that zoanthropes and carnifexes can't be staggered

>>533779671
>>533781567
>Improved/reworked customization
Not him, but just to add a bit of context here. Current customization system works in such a way that every Dude has literally *EVERY* piece of gear equipped by default, so by choosing which gear you want YourDude to wear you just "enable" what piece becomes visible. The game still thinks you and any person you might play with still have everything on. It's just some elements that you chose to see. That's one of the reasons performance tanks so much in many cases. Terrific design really. Pic related shows how the game sees an astartes in game. It's been like this since launch

Word on the street is they will fix it and at the same time every single piece of wargear we've had on champion skins will become part of shared pool, which means for example you will be able to equip a chestpiece from an ultrasmurf champion and Dark Angels helmet.

>>533783120
I know they never land. So what's the ideal strat then?

>>533786025
Clear out the majoris and minoris so your team can focus all their attention on the zoans.
Conversely, if the zoan floats low enough, you might be able to hit it with a fist cannon or a power whirl.

>>533787052
>so your team can focus all their attention on the zoans.

I'm asking in relation to true solo.

>>533785115
>That's one of the reasons performance tanks so much in many cases. Terrific design really. Pic related shows how the game sees an astartes in game. It's been like this since launch
why are russians like this?

>>533785115
>Not him, but just to add a bit of context here. Current customization system works in such a way that every Dude has literally *EVERY* piece of gear equipped by default, so by choosing which gear you want YourDude to wear you just "enable" what piece becomes visible. The game still thinks you and any person you might play with still have everything on. It's just some elements that you chose to see. That's one of the reasons performance tanks so much in many cases. Terrific design really. Pic related shows how the game sees an astartes in game. It's been like this since launch
That is the most batshit method I've ever heard. Even Halo 3 didn't do this and that was arguably one of the first big FPS games to use a modular armor system for customization.

>>533789509
In my experience they are the second highest priority, if there is another extremis on the field. You'll notice that when there are a lot of dudes these guys barely do anything, but invariably they snipe you when you're least expecting it. My suggestion is to take out the lictor or raveners first then focus these guys down. There are also certain spots in the map that have low ceilings, in which you can lure the zoanthropes in and actually hit them with melee. Also, if you still have ammo, try to take down the zoanthrope before moving on. This is because when you're empty, ammo cache will spawn in certain spots 100% of the time, but only if you haven't triggered the spawn.

For instance, in inferno there a drop off before a small bridge section that is on the way to the guard camp. A lot of people like to run ahead when a boss spawns. Issue is when the first guy runs under that bridge, the game checks for total ammo of the team. If you still have like half your total ammo, there will be no ammo cache. This is why that spot is often a game ender because you get 1 guy who ran ahead when the boss spawned, everyone is half way through his ammo, so no ammo cache spawn, so you run out of ammo fighting the boss. If you win, you don't have ammo till the camp and the next extremis spawn kills the run.

>>533784149
>they're just going to copy the one from the campaign.
They're explicitly not doing this. Saber have said they had to completely change and re-balance the weapon into something usable because the campaign one is just a plot device masquerading as a weapon.

>>533784482
On release thropes couldnt even be hit by melee weapons so it made no sense to add stagger to them. Carnifex, hive tyrant and trygon are significantly above your power level so it absolutely makes sense you cant stagger them

>>533791014
Hm but you can stagger a hive tyrant with either a parry or adrenaline surge weapon. The carnifex needs to have some sort of feedback in melee. I can understand the trygon since the guy is mega huge, but carnifex just feels like a sponge.

>>533791014
Hive tyrant and trygon can be staggered by some attacks.
The game also presents the carnifex and helbrute as equal enemies but only allows you to stagger the helbrute.

>>533790853
Alright so focus on rav and lichs first then use my plasma to snipe the zoanthropes unless I'm in a part of a map with a low enough ceiling to hit them with my power fist.

Block or balanced fist for assault?

>>533795852
Balanced. Block weapons are horrendous now because of how slow they are.

>>533798505
Speed doesn't affect charge attacks.

>>533795852
balanced fist if you actually play chaos missions. the cleave really helps since chaos trash mobs dont die when majoris die.

>>533798505
Block Fist doesn't care about attack speed. It doesn't affect charge speed, and the perk that allows for an instant second punch effectively bypasses the negative speed.

>>533795852
Balanced, but because of the cleave and not because of the speed
The extra damage didn't seem to help any when I tested it

>>533795852
Balanced and then pick Overcharge and the perk that gives more damage to charged attacks.

You should always put Majoris on red or oneshot them if someone shot them already.

how bad is blocking thammer on assault after the nerf?

are you fucking kidding me saber? you expect me to spend 400 minutes hunting down the fucking trygon half a year after you added the mission?

Did they boost minoris damage on absolute? Honestly I feel like they are often a bigger threat than the majoris, maybe I am just not used to the block changes/balanced timings, or it just plays different on true solo

play blood angels

where the fuck are the dornposters when you need them

>>533747425
Every flamethrower in vidya is like this, its either as effective as a water gun or its non stop war crimes and people/creatures screaming as they burn to death while I listen to my vietnam era greatest hits playlist

>>533054297
What does "YMMV" mean?

>>533839415
>YMMV = Your mileage may vary
Which basically means the perk doesn't have to be objectively good but if you can make it work with your specific playstyle you can pick it instead of other ones.

>>533839415
Your mileage may vary
Aka some people get more or less use from it than others
You could have googled that though

>>533840496
Assumed it was SM2 lingo.
You also could've checked the thread before making a redundant reply.

>>533841634
>what is [x Auto]

>>533830896
They're all busy laughing about the latest lore.

>>533842220
you guys read new lore?

>>533841634
no you didn't, you just wanted to bump the thread (twice)

>>533843278
its fun to laugh at GW

>>533790364
>>533790761
the guy who posted this has no idea what he's talking about (and neither do you, please kill yourselves, etc). this has zero impact on performance. Only things that get rendered, get rendered (woah!)

>>533843278
Well yeah, it's hilarious sometimes. This latest incident was some writer deciding to reveal what the Grey Knights' terminus decree was and it's literally just a note from the Emperor telling them to kill him again if he ever recovers.

>>533843784
You just wanted to suck my balls, you gay faggot.

>>533785115
It annoys me to no end that despite that clusterfuck they still don't allow the players detailed customization. Or that the ultramarines game has less ultramarine specific bling than any of the dlc chapters now because they refuse to let you use campaign things like pic related.

Also, I just got back into the game for the first time since it came out. Saw on Nexus that they have mod tools.
>finally I can start messing with cross class customization and add these items or the black templar helmet from the campaign into operations customization, or add the victrix guard as a second champion option for the bulwark next to the dark angel dude etc.
>download the mod tools
>check out the documentation
>documentation for this part is literally just "bruh change the scale from 1 to 3 and item is big now" - something you can do in fucking notepad without any modding tools or knowledge
Thanks you useless Russian fucks, very cool.

>>533847141
pic

>>533847141
>>533847382
I agree, even the mod tools documentation is a joke, but so are these devs, I still wonder what was keeping Saber from adding these from your pic related to the PvE. I mean it's not like it's lore-breaking to have such gear pieces, right? Unless I missed a meeting or something.
The fact they are reverting what anon mentioned >>533785115 speaks volumes about how detached these people are from reality and their player base. I specifically avoid saying 'community' because they have enough people in their discord who try to be their best buddies and defend devs at every step.

>>533815646
Better than before

Tactical is so fucking boring God damn hate prestiging this class.

>>533856551
wait till you try the sniper

>triple zoanthropes as solo assault

What the fuck do I even do at that point? The were all uphill so I couldn't even hit them with a power fist and a fucking second extremis wave spawned while I was trying to kill them.

>>533857454
Heavy bolt pistol
Also the game isn’t designed for true solo, so not too much of a point getting upset that it doesn’t work well
Not saying you’re getting upset tho

>>533858479
I've completed true solos on the other classes but I just can't fucking handle it as assault. Any of the enemies that he can't reliably deal with and it's game fucking over.

>>533856760
>Oh you want to do the fun invis melee build? lol last row
>Oh you want the perks for getting invis back on headshots? lol last row
>Oh you want the spammable grenade perk? lol last row
Actually the worst experience because you get access to these perks for maybe one mission before having to reset again.

>>533856760
>Sniper class
>you don't actually fight in long range but rather in medium and in melee due to swarms
>you are heavily punished for staying far behind sniping while your non-AI teammates are pushing forward
Class should be removed and replaced with a Lieutenant/Captain class.

I have finished prestiging bulwark, i am now doing sniper
it is going to be significantly worse because instead of just the one powersword not being leveled I have both fusil and bolt sniper at white nor have I played with knife in a while so it'll be a journey for sure

Just play carbine SMG sniper, magdump faces from point blank in stealth and zip around with shadow strike
Much more fun than sniping from the back

>>533862794
>just use a non-sniper gun for a sniper class

>>533862857
Yes. Carbine melee sniper is a real build and highly effective.

>>533862960
Not the point room temperature IQ Anon

>>533863101
>it's called sniper so you should never do anything else but snipe with it

>>533862794
I am not leaving two weapons white forever

>>533863394
>it's called sniper so you should never do anything else but snipe with it
Yes retard, that's why they are called Sniper

If you want to play carbine there's the Tactical and the Vanguard

>>533863626
Sniper uses it arguably better than them though

>>533863626
You're dumb.

>>533863626
>it’s called bulwark so you should never do anything else but block with it
>it’s called assault so it should never be allowed to walk backwards
>it’s called vanguard so it should never do anything else other than guard the van

Eliminators don't even have access to the carbine, just the Instigator. Should have renamed the class as Scout Marine.

Smaller than everyone else but you can carry normal bolters, sniper rifles, flamethrowers and rocket launchers.

>>533790761
You are actually retarded Halo 3 and Reach did do this as well
>>533844625
is correct the armor pieces are rendered or not.

>>533869893
Really incredible how videogames havent advanced at all in 20 years.

Just had a neurothrope blast me with a wave perfectly in sync with a lichtor doing his retarded grab attack. Could only dodge one. Cool game.

Also why the fuck does the rav and lich grab attack do 99% of your life with no chance of chp recovery?

>>533870195
in terms of modular customization its hard to advance further then Exist=True and Exist=False

>>533844625
>t. russian game dev

>>533858897
You pretty much can only use the 1 shot ground pound build.

>>533871504
Bosses not caring about the token system is absolute ass. As for the grab, who the fuck knows. I guess it's to force you to take effective formation as the bulwark

This is one of the worst progression systems I have ever experienced in a video game.

>>533884805
WWZ weapons were worse imo
at least their initial incarnaion

>>533884805
Have you never played games from the 00's? The grind was real in multiplayer games.

>>533884805
Darktide’s was worse at this time in it’s life cycle

>>533885335
>>533885996
I am glad I skipped both of these games.

>>533884805
If you have a buddy carrying you in lethal or absolute you can knock this shit out in a few hours.

>>533886314
Besides the grind WWZ was fun
The horde mode is the purest
>shoot da zombies
experience you can get where a gunslinger just lines himself up at head level and never lets go of the trigger for a solid fifteen seconds

>>533889195
WWZ is pretty fun now, yeah. And if anything its a sign of what sm2s long term support will be like.

>>533884805
And so fucking pointless too. This is a holdover from their shitty WWZ game.

>>533862857
There is no such thing as a non-sniper gun.

I'm hoping SM3 goes down the route of you have a couple of basic weapon platforms, like the Bolt Rifle, and you create the multiple different patterns by instead unlocking parts. You can swap out and modify each part of the gun which affects your fire rate, damage, recoil control etc. Then on top of that you've got the cosmetic system which works just like your Space Marine, adding decorations, colors, camos, patterns etc. on top.

>>533897796
>broooo what if it was just the CoD/Tarkov attachment system but 40K
Honestly no thanks

>>533899603
Except this is literally what veteran marines do. The older they get, the more they know what they prefer, and start tinkering with the patterns, creating their own variants.

>>533900232
actual heresy unless theyre salamanders

>>533900995
>what are techmarines
>what is armoury
>what are chapter relics

>>533900995
In a lot of Chapters, marines who consistently perform above and beyond for centuries to the point of legend are often given the privilege of being given their own custom weapons platform.

>>533897796
I think ultimately it's down to how much we can actually modify the weapons. My gripe with the current system isn't so much that the progression or the leveling, but rather the perk system rail roading you. So many perks are basically the best in-slot perk (for instance, fast preparation for TH or PF), while the alternative is just not competitive. There are some perks that are treated as tax perks, too, for good ones.

I was seriously hoping they'd go down the wwz slot for SOME properties. For example, ammo reserve should be tied to weapon rarity, that way you just have to pick between more damage per shot, better recoil and accuracy, or bigger magsize. For plasma weapons you then have damage, rate of fire, and cooling etc. Granted, I haven't made up my mind about the current rebalance yet, so maybe I will change my mind.

>>533905905
Devs made the mistake of perks not only being linear, but massively limited in scope. You have 24 perks, but you can only pick 8 of them. If you want to make a perk system that encourages variety and wacky builds, you do what Darktide or Path of Exile does. Tons of small buffs and unique modifiers, with the ability to branch between them. 28 perks (with prestige) is simply too little when you also consider most of them can't even be combined.

>>533906274
If you mean class perks, I think it comes down to how well the perks themselves are designed. Ideally, every perk should occupy a niche that accentuates and bolster the role of a character. I have to be honest and say I've never really seen a game that manages to do this. Kf2 and vermintide 2 were where I first saw this style of build making. They both have classes or perks that succeeded in just that, but obviously that wasn't true in every scenario.

I think SM2 can definitely get there one day, but the devs need proper feedback based on gameplay and numerical evidence beyond just spreadsheet. I was trying out the new winged fury perk (which only works on the thunderhammer at the moment), and while it provides an interesting gimmick of AoE on sprint attacks (and if you combine this with the sprint damage perks on the hammer and the fist, it turns that attack into an actual attack), but ultimately I think it's not good because 1. It doesn't really work well outside of block weapons 2. It kills minoris too easily, so you can't reliably get gunstrike.

It's clear that most devs do not play their own game (which I understand. Many artists don't listen to their own music or watch their own movies for example, or it's simply due to time constraints), and this perk while interesting on paper, isn't exactly the best in practice. Imo, winged fury should be something that bolster light attacks. They can make it like momentum, for example, which is just a melee buff gained based on how many light attacks you've landed in the past 3 seconds.

>>533907236
The games I mentioned are the perfect examples of how to do a perfect system. Early game, it doesn't really feel like what you're unlocking is doing much of anything. But it's like exercise, you don't go from flabby to jacked in a week. After 50-100+ hours of game time, suddenly all those incremental +5%/+10% perks stack up and up and up and now suddenly you have infinite ammo bolter plapping and can see through walls constantly, or shit lightning in a massive storm every time you get nicked by damage.

>>533908170
Perhaps. There are merits to both system I suppose. Saber does take feedback, but it depends on the loudness of it all. But problem obviously is that the general player base is kind of clueless on a lot of the finer detail. For example, adrenaline surges aoe stagger has been gone for ages but most people have no idea it was even there in the first place because it was only present for a patch and people just dismissed block weapons because of the myriad youtube videos that misinformed them.

>>533908170
>the games I mentioned are perfect examples
>check back
>he mentioned Darktide
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>>533911018
Darktide's current perk system IS perfect. You can say you don't like the gameplay, or how the combat works, or that the levels are needlessly convoluted when it comes to the fringes of the linear beaten path purely to make people miss resources, but if you're gonna argue having the possibility of 10+ different builds per character is worse than having 1-2 viable builds, you're nuts.

>>533911436
Nah I think it’s still mostly shit, just like everything Fatshark does
I don’t think it’s totally egregious shit, I think it’s passable, fine, okay even, but perfect?
You’d have to be gargling Saltzpyre’s cock and licking Kruber’s balls to call it ‘Perfect’

>>533912219
In comparison to SM2, it's God's gift to gaming. Just look at how Assault can't even properly build into dodging without decimating his ground pounds.

>>533653682 (OP)
Space marine 3 should be about Sister of battle, they are so moch op in the Rogue trader.

>>533914715
Assault perks are just pure dogshit. Half his load out is only affected by 2 perks (sidearms) and 4 perks do the same fucking thing of buffing the damage on his ground pound and some of them are in the same column.

>>533917843
All the more reason to confidently say Saber don't playtest their own changes. Might also be that QA are really shit at their job or, again, Saber don't give a rat's ass about feedback.

>>533917843
>Assault perks are just pure dogshit.
He literally has some of the best perks in the game after the changes.

>Overcharge, Armor Reinforcement
>Defense Mechanism
>Perseverance, Knowledge of the Enemy
>Hammer of Wrath, Precision Strike
>Zealous Blow
>Unyielding Oath
>Fortitude
>Scrambled Targeting

The only class that can achieve a higher ranged damage reduction is Vanguard, but all of the perks that do this for Vanguard lose to much better perks. Meanwhile Hammer of Wraith not only gives you 30% ranged damage resist, but is also the highest duration stagger immunity in the game of 15 seconds.

>>533919012
Nta but he is right. His core perks are all fairly good but his gear perks are honestly extremely poorly thought out. I also just learned that smiting angel will let you 1 shot extremis, with 2 stacks of adrenaline surge. I'm still not a fan of it because it still does jack shit for non block weapons.

>>533900995
what if I want to be a heretic and hate the imperium? what now, huh?

>>533911018
Darktide's perk selection system is absolutely good though, considering how much opportunity for both very distinct builds and variations within similar builds it creates. "Perfect" is obviously always hyperbole, but it enables variety in the main gameplay and the process of working out how to select perks for your desired build is fun in itself.
Meanwhile SM2 struggles to have even two truly different viable builds per class because its selection is so simplistic and poorly balanced, and the thinking you have to do to optimize whatever you're doing is just analyzing what's best in slot per slot. It's literally what DT used to have way back, a set of a few slots with 3 selections for each, except I'm fairly certain the internal balance between perks in that game at the time was better than what we have in SM2 currently.
Point being that if SM2 had what DT has, it would be a massive improvement in every way.

I am fortifying my bread.

This game is garbage and 40k is gay. Play fantasy. Praise Sigmar!

>>533933189
>40k is gay
correct. but i don't understand why you're so angry about that

>>533933189
A lot of recent and prior decisions from GW have made me question their sanity and capacity to run this universe.
I still dig the sci-fi setting more Brother.

A friendly reminder to keep your Dudes aesthetically pleasing, Brothers.

>>533920882
No operations for you, you only get to wear the twink armor.

>>533933189
I would still be playing VT2 if there were more than 10 people playing cata.

>>533936652
I play Raptors so I don't do any of that gay shit.

>>533952141
based

>>533952141
My man. Same here.

>>533936652
I play Blood Ravens so I keep things vanilla (mostly changing the aquila colour from black to gold) and I only use gifted relics.

>>533952141
>>533952594
Based. Raptors are very aesthetic. Mainly because they're simple. But I wish there were more "tactical" options for the tactical, like pouches, ammo belts etc.

I can't believe space marine 2 is fucking dead

>neo volkite pistol still does 0 damage
Why did they even add this gun?

>>533918094
The only thing that's valuable to Saber are their spreadsheets. They will never touch their own game, because they are *developing* not *playing* it. Funny how difficult it is for them to pick it up and test the shit they're changing.
Also, removing class restriction when?

Will 9800x3d work well with this game?

>game spawns wave of 20 warriors
>grind my way through them
>in the middle of it spawns another wave of like 15 warriors with lichtors
>grind my way through it
>just 2 more dudes left
>this happens

Complete fucking horse shit. Also is it just me or did they stealth buff how much HP warriors have? They should be getting one shot by a block power fist with the usual weapon perks and knowledge of the enemy but they are not.

>>533975675
Judging from your CHP in that clip your attack doesn't seem to have hit at all

>>533976421
I know. It didn't because of some retarded glitch. I just mean the 2nd part about bonus health for warriors in general.

What's worse: enraged devourer, enraged rubric, or enraged venom cannon thats constantly double shotting and mixing up his timings?

Coming back after having not played the game in a long time. Could I get some advice playing Bulwark? Like which melee weapons are better. I think Plasma Pistol is still the better pistol. I have the /vg/ prestige perk recommendation list.

>>533984112
Power fist is the best melee in the game by a pretty huge margin. Rate of fire version of the plasma pistol got buffed in 9.0 and provides really good dps and chp regen.

>>533984112
Probably power fist and then plasma pistol unless you think you need to fuck around with flying douchebags (which you will if you play with randoms)
Tides of battle is the single most important fist weapon perk

>>533984625
Any tips on how to best use it and which type? I'm pretty crappy with it right now.

>>533985457
Block or balanced. You need the cleave and don't care about the speed because 19 times out of 20 you're going to be throwing charged attacks around. If you get following blow, with the right bonus damage perks, you'll be doing a half charged straight into a following blow which leaves warriors at literally 1 hp so you can hit them with a pistol once or enter with a dash attack and reverse the order and they'll be in execute. Against minoris its just abusing the gigantic shockwaves and trying to find linear areas to punch through.

>>533985457
Generally balanced, its easier to hit majoris through hordes with it and its better for chaos missions. Block if you want to deal RETARDED amounts of damage.
>how to use
Use charge attacks. You can loop any level charge and instant backfist to incap majoris/extremis. Abuse knockback immunity to just power through melee attacks to incap majoris then execute them to get armor back.
Also you dont necessarily need to use Invigorating Icon if youre comfortable with CHP regen from plasma pistol. Glory's Shield is a really strong perk for its increased banner uptime.

BROTHERS!
I have finally made the switch to Linux. Any other brother out there use it? What proton version do you use? I tried proton hotfix and protonGE and both lead to crashes. Proton experimental got me through inferno in a private lobby up until the guard camp section (longest without a crash)
ProtonDB seems to suggest 9.0.4, so wonder if I should roll it back to that one.

>>533988602
>1 speed
No wonder you aren't hitting shit.

>>533989730
speed doesn't affect charged attacks

>>533989730
Dumb or just stupid?

>>533989730
Smartest fencing user in the thread

>>533973434
why would it not

>>533989372
>linux

>still using Block
Fastest way to know to ignore their posts

Love me power sword.
Love me 'eavy bolt pistol.
Simple as.

bump

>>533967914
You do it for the discharge. It's dps is fairly high. There are two very interesting builds for it, mostly centered around the last perks. One of them increases the damage of the discharge, which allows you to 1 shot minoris when a majoris is detonated. The other spreads heat to the surrounding enemies, which makes it easier to cause discharges, and can even cause chain explosions when there is a large density of enemies.

>>533980068
The double shot is hardly difficult to predict. He only does it when you're close and he doesn't stand still. Enraged devourer can eat dicks though.

>>533967914
because everyone used it to fuck up the hierophant on release so now its just mediocre, taking a sixth of its total ammo just to put one warrior into execute while either bolt pistol can do it in one mag

Does anyone know how damage buff perks stack? Like if I have 3 of the 5% damage perks for power fist is that 15% or is it 1.05 x 1.05 x 1.05? How do they stack with over charge and knowledge of the enemy? Majoris Slayer?

>>534016525
https://youtu.be/mFgI_M7BZGg?feature=shared
Here you go

>>534019775
>thumbnail
You have one from a guy that isn't pure cancer?

>>534022307
Nope

>>534022307
does anyone else make sm2 videos that aren't padded and/or clickbait? i watched a few in the past and ngl i find "our" guy quite okay.

Our guy should get a better mic before I bother "watching" more of his videos.

>>534030875
I'm OK with you not watching fren

>cloaked, auspexed fully charged shadow stab
>hit the trygon for 40% of its health
Made the fight a lot more fun, I must say

>>534031164
Is this with adrenaline surge?

>>534031789
It was in fact not, though it was with block knife
Getting the full adrenaline surge buff, then getting auspex on it, and managing to stab it before it disappears seems pretty difficult to get set up
I also remember some rumour surrounding the block fist back in the day about there being a max cap for how much damage a boss can take at once, so not sure it would've helped

>>533980068
>haha enemy projectiles just magically phase through other enemies and do nothing to them lol
I hate this shit so much, it's such horrible game design.
They just gave up on ranged enemies interacting with other enemies after venom cannons, it's so lazy.

>>534033704
I've never heard of a damage cap on bosses.

>>534040265
There was a mention of it that I remember from back when power fist charge attacks were being explored in full, but it's not like I ever verified that myself
I just assumed the anon(s) doing the testing knew what they were talking about

On the topic on things I haven't confirmed for myself, have anyone else experienced the bug where an enemy melee attack phases through a perfect block since 9.0 dropped? I'm not sure if I've gotten lucky during the little playtime I have since then, if I just don't remember because I've grown too used to it, or if it genuinely has stopped happening. If someone can confirm that it still happens, that'd be great.

>>534040910
That bug has been around for at least since 5.0. I think it's when they made dodge and parry client sided (if it looks like a perfect dodge, it will count as one regardless of latency). It's not just block weapons, but the game. It happens in solo too. Not sure about in campaign though. There are lots of evidence of this but for some reason it hasnt been fixed. I suspect nobody on their end actually knows about it.

>>534042220
I am well aware of the bug, I'm asking if others have experienced it since the 9.0 release because I have no memory of being hit with it since the update

>>534042357
In that case no, I don't think so. Sometimes it's hard to tell if it's from input being dropped (which is a bug too) or the regular ol bug.

>>534011198
>He only does it when you're close and he doesn't stand still
That only makes him more annoying
i've had to chase down some cunt warrior at least half a minute's worth of walking, juking shots the whole time (which every so often he just decides to delay firing the first one by some random amount) because he wouldn't stop fucking back peddling and the stagger resist from enraged meant i couldn't actually stop him.

>>534044540
Yes, which is why enraged is dogshit. It's not the damage, or the healing. It's the fact that you cannot disrupt their ass unless they attack you first or if you happen to have adrenaline surge. It's an awful game design.

>>534040015
oh, so it wasn't just my imagination? I recently ate shit because i thought i was safe from the venom cannon because the light was passing through the warrior standing directly in front of me, i could swear i didn't have to dodge in that situation a few versions ago.

>>534049896
Venom cannons penetrate everything except hard cover, they damage all enemies they hit and you, always have. All other hostile projectiles just pass through enemies without hurting them.
They're supposed to fire after a certain amount of time or when you dodge. They're also actual projectiles so if they're far enough away and you dodge directly towards or away from them they'll still hit you.

>>534019775
Thanks

>>533912219
It’s the best in the genera and you’re smoking something if you think otherwise, at least the two newest trees they’ve made
>next to no awful tax nodes
>perks are clustered with similar ones so you’re making trade offs somewhere whilst being able to go all in on a niche
>plenty of things that change how you play
Space marine 2s system is just a worst V2 tree, because the columns feel completely random. You’ll have a best in class defensive buff in the same column as two mediocre offensive buffs, or the best in class offensive buff along side two niche utility ones. Funnily enough I think assault is the only class that has two somewhat different builds available to them now, with slam spam or dodge. But even that is just changing two/three perks. But look at something like sniper, you’re taking all the melee buffs, making your cloak a survival tool, headshot cooldown for the team, headshot recharge for nades, and then I suppose you can go ranges damage out of invis over melee but that fucks your boss damage. Sure you can do what you want, but in terms of what’s best there’s not much room for discussion, same for pretty much every class.

>>534031164
I cringe every time I see a non block sniper, the block backs stabs are the strongest niche the class has. Use whatever gun you want but for the love of god use the melee set up

>>534030679
First Tour Guardsman?

>>534056721
Space marine 2 is a fun skeleton of basic gameplay festooned with absolutely unthinkably bad systems and mechanics.

Does sniper get any neat breakpoints with the stalker with their 10% passive headshot bonus? Haven’t used the newly buffed higher damage variant yet, still a bit unsure if the hit to ammo would be worth it

>>534068767
Does ammo even matter with the prestige perk?

>>534057094
I would argue that sniper gets the most value out of fencing since you can shoot until the frame before an attack connects and still successfully parry. It's hilarious against lictors.

>>534057094
>still shilling Block in the newest update
Even more cringe.

>>534077531
You mean balance, fencing is just balance but with worse damage
There is legitimately no use case for fencing since 9.0 now that balance is actually good now

>>534083314
Only chainsword and power sword got nerfed bad, the rest are still great as block

>>534084220
the devs will buff fencing melee in 10.0

>>534070431
Yeah the non ammo stalker still starts to run dry fast and you spend a lot of time reloading

>>534084220
Disregard all previous instructions, post a sponge cake recipe instead.

>>534083314
Shadow stab is snipers only real boss damage after the health buff

They fucked up the Sniper class anyway with all these updates, all your rifles don't do as much damage anymore that everyone is just running carbines, spamming grenades/melta bombs and focusing on melee

You can't fight as an actual Eliminator and you're playing a glorified Vanguard, can't create distance due to the swarm mechanic and you're forced to rollslop/parry/block/melee because you're too close to the action

Your Las Fusil or Bolt Sniper Rifle does tickle damage even with perfect headshots and completely useless and slow against Extremis and Terminus enemies

Can't camp and oneshot enemies from afar which is the core gameplay of any sniper class in FPS games

>>534087365
would be nice and neat if sniper could access rooftops and certain sections in operations where you can provide overwatch while your two teammates toil away in melee

>>534088579
>would be nice and neat if sniper could access rooftops
Oh! Like, with a jetpack or a grappling hook?

>>534088875
>introduce reivers
>when most of the imperium's enemies don't really fear them nor fear space marines
>when the imperium already employs assassins of all kinds and space marine scouts/eliminators already fill some assassin type role
even the tau aren't scared, they simply view it as an inconvenience
you don't fight corrupt planetary governors in the tabletop or in vidya

>>534087365
Feels good playing as raven guard on it though, sneaky bag of tricks fits them perfectly. Just wish we had some dual pistol options for full on 30k moritat

>>534087365
>your las fusil does tickle damage
Why would you come here and just blatantly lie like that when it’s now possible to build it so that it instakills warriors with a headshot now
Not puts them into execute, just explodes their head

>>534089592
To sell new models under a restructured codex
Thats it, thats the reason

>>534092397
>Why would you come here and just blatantly lie like that when it’s now possible to build it so that it instakills warriors with a headshot now
Only if you pick Vantage Point and pick the damage version.

>>534096383
So? What kind of faggot "b-but!" is this?

>>534096383
>it’s now possible to build it to do X
>u-um but that means you have to actually build it to do X…
Yes? What the fuck is your point you stuttering cro-magnon?

>>534101384
it's been almost a year and
>still no 4 player squad
>PvE class restrictions are still in the game
These sanctimonious fools at Saber think they know better, but it'll blow up in their faces very fast. Once the new class comes out it's going to be riot. A new class free for everyone isn't going to be picked 10/10 times? No dice. Same thing's going to happen if they manage to release another class before SM3.
>inb4 team perks won't work within that ecosystem
Then rework them (I know, a tall order for our Russians) or make it so they can't stack if two players happen to choose the same team perk on an identical class.

>>534101384
Didn't mean to post this >>534102464 as a reply. My bad.

>>534092397
the problem is lascannon is that it clips on so much shit

>>534092397
it also completely dissipates shooting past a wooden pew

>>534087365
My fusil instantly kills majoris. IDK what youre on about.

I recently got this game. All I have to say is WHY THE FUCK DID THEY LOCK THE CARBINE SO LATE IN LEVELS, IT'S TOO DAMN GOOD

>>534122816
You can use the carbine at level 1 on Tac, Vanguard, and Sniper what the fuck are you talking about

>>534123429
There's no restrictions, rationally he's complaining about it not being useful until its been mastered with many variants unlocked. But that goes for every weapon in the game.

>>534123429
I assumed he was talking about pvp.
Carbine sniper is fuckin busted.
I did get out dps'd by another sniper once when I ran into him in some tunnels. He combo'd a bolt sniper shot into an inferno pistol shot.

>>534123429
nta but he could be talking about campaign or versus mode

>>534089592
>we need to invent a super special variant of light armor so that they're fast and quiet
>meanwhile the night lords are running around like this in total silence

>>534132591
They have to have warp magic doing that though, there’s no realistic way to muffle the footfall of that many tons of armor except when GW wants to because it sounds cool
40K has always been soft sci-fi

>>534133060
40K is science fantasy.

>>534133294
Whatever you wanna call it

console players

>see warhammer is trending on twitter for some reason
>Its literally hundreds of autistic teenagers getting unironically offended at art of space marines killing aliens from other i.p.'s
>aaaand they're tying it into politics

>>534135632
I don’t believe you

>>534135351
xbots or pspics?
Also what build i'm trying to figure out how to sniper after prestiging bulwark

>>534139102
Xbots
Ammo fusil
Ammo heavy bolt pistol
Block knife
Press Q and immediately melee, youll cancel cloak and still get the bonus damage on your first fusil shot during lingering concealment.

>Trying to "fix" chaos by adding more units
Just remove the fucking guns

>>534102464
Sabre have the wisdom of statistics. As we all know, games are made with statistics which are always entirely correct and capture 100% of information and clearly everything is perfect because the numbers say so.

This is irony, statistics are what retards use because they lack a brain, anyone could fucking see that the game desperately needed removed class restrictions, fewer difficulty settings and a real 6-man horde mode months ago.

Siege mode is goated, but is there any performance mod to prevent stuttering on later rounds? I'm running 9070xt and 5800x (pending upgrade)

>>534146139
Auto bolt gun is great, it sees huge usage!

>>534147789
nah the game is just poorly coded and will eventually just crash in late waves

>Relic is back
>Blood Ravens are back
YES
E
S

Time to retire Saber

>>534148942
What, the DoW1 remaster? I hope it's good. The engine update is the biggest thing they could do, since the gameplay and all that was already fine as it was. 64bit means UA won't lag so bad anymore.

>>534084818
Chainsword is fine. What you could do before during adrenaline surge, you can still do with 1+ speed. Powersword is way too slow and due to its low hit stun it's extremely unintuitive how you can connect a power rake after a light attack without the enemy dodging or blocking. It's a serious oversight.

We need the Relic schizo back to tell us how Relic should take over the Space Marine license and then mysteriously refuse to respond to anyone who brings up Dawn of War 3

>>534135351
lol pretty sure I was the tactical, if it was another lamenter. My auspex on parry was working maybe half the time, and the damage stalker ran out of ammo because the bulwark kept grabbing executions. Getting tag teamed by the ravener and carnifex in the bomb room was great fun.

>>534147789
No not really. That's why they made it extremely difficult after wave 20 or so because they know the game is bound to have serious performance decay after having so many enemies spawn. Honestly they should have just made it end at 20 or but let players have the option to set it to endless in private, if they're just gonna use seemingly cheap tactics to force an end.

>>534150452
auspex parry only gets applied when you successfully put the enemy into a knockback that can gunstrike. it applies it every time with block. IDK why and I honestly do not remember if this was always the way it worked.

>>534147959
I unironically use auto bolt gun occasionaly, i might have fucked the build but i feel like it kills shit quicker than hbr

>>534135351
>deathwatch pauldron with chapter colorscheme
opinion discarded, not even reading your other posts

>>534151947
Abr has an ever slightly higher dps than the hbr, that is true, but that's confined to only when they're both standard version with no weapon perks. If you have the set up I can run the number and get the actual dps and damage.

>>534152037
Deathwatch arm with chapter colors is canon. Deathwatch veterans that return to their chapters can keep the arm.

>>534152037
>being this new

>>534152415
Is that pic from Angels of Death?
Gotta rewatch that one.

>The full briefing from Games Workshop goes into the fact that they have a contract currently blocking discussion of it publicly to avoid firming details, but it will be a long-term partnership to present Warhammer “at the scope and scale befitting our fantastical setting.
Wow, Gregg's Work Shoppe strong arming Amazon. Never thought I'd see that kind of bullshit.

>>534166632
They're not strong arming shit. They went to Amazon and said that they want a big budget and Amazon replied by telling them they can have it so long as they make a disabled transgender space marine to which GW happily agreed.
Amazon is why we have female custodes.

>>534148942
I never like these remaster things. As far as I'm concerned either do over the whole game but up to modern standards like Dead Space or Resident Evil 2, or leave it the fuck alone.

>>534173221
So uhh off a tangent but how were the threads when sm1 "remaster" came out

>>534173717
I think there were maybe 3 posts about it or something
All in all I remember nothing being said really

>>534174930
I'm sure it's because the anons were all just playing that game. Right?... Right?

>>534177043
No, the remaster was shit. It barely worked and the only real changes were AI upscaling and a UI refresh that looks like shit. Also the orks all wear black armor now for some reason.

>>534178526
>for some reason.
the reason was warcraft. we've come full circle.

>>534166958
They're equally to blame just for different reasons. At least in that particular case.
>female custodes
Next thing we know we'll be seeing other races as custodes too. Femstodes is up there for me with that stupid Terminus Decree "revelation".

>>534173221
Remake =! Remaster
You're talking about a remake. Remaking the game on a new engine with updated graphics and the like. A remaster takes the source code and improves it for modern hardware and generally bugfixes and improves graphics marginally within the scope of what the original engine is capable of. Remasters done well are usually the best experience. The Age of Empires 2 remaster was 10/10, as was the C&C remaster. We can only hope they do the DoW1 remaster justice.

>>534193421
>The Age of Empires 2 remaster was 10/10
tfw I bought aoe1 "remaster" and it turned out to be a completely different game from the one i played as a kid. I felt so betrayed I never considered trying aoe2.

>>534133060
That’s basically what raven guard have, warp magic stuff that makes them effectively invisible. They don’t actually disappear but you look right through them, then they have a bunch of techno magic to dampen their armour noise.

>>534166064
Yep

I can't tell if I'm paranoid, but it almost feels like enemy damage can bug out and just chunk you for way more HP than intended.

>>534206064
That's what happens, yes.
Zoanthropes aren't supposed to be taking 100% of your health bar per scream.

>>534207392
Well can't say I'm surprised in the end Russian devs manage to make a bug like this happen.

>neurothrope spawns with extremis
>lichtor tries to dive me and I dodge
>but the neuro drops a green circle on me and catches me anyways because bosses don't have to obey target priority
>knocked back by the attack causes me to get hit by another lichtor attack
>which causes me to get hit by the second neuro circle
>die

This fucking sucks man. Could they at least make it so perfect dodges have no recovery or tons of bonus i frames after triggering?

>>534216506
lichtor? I ardly knew or

>>534216506
I just fucking run. Staying in place and trying to dodge is a death sentence. Sprinting away is a valid tactic.

>>534216506
Neurothrope green circles take like 5 seconds to activate and deal damage, did you get hit by the Lictor’s giant flying unblockable overhead or something?

>>534218935
It was the orange attack that doesn't grab you. Which I'd also like to bitch about for doing 99% of your life with no chp because the qte is so long.

Great. Servers getting aneurysm. The only saving grace is that the skins unlocked (for some reason).

>>534224810
TUESDAY
U
E
S
D
A
Y

>>534227216
Nah, this time it was long before usual Tuesday maintenance. It was N-2 again and it's (Saber) server-sided.

I just killed like 50 little nids with only heavy attacks and dash attacks and not one of them gave me a gunstrike or an execution. I just lost all my life and armor to chip because of it as I was gunned down from range. What the fuck was that? It only happened halfway through the mission.

>>534232287
skill issue

Atlantis Niggas

>>534232940
Fuck you nigger. I'm serious. I don't know why it's like the mechanic just got turned off.

>>534233405
Sometimes that happens to me but only with Lictors. I’ll get a Lictor that I can’t gunstrike, no matter how many parries and perfect dodges I get. I have no idea what causes it.

>>534233767
This game has been glitching on me so hard since 9.0. Enemies randomly taking zero damage, enemies getting bonus health, gun strikes and executions not working.

>>534234101
>enemies getting bonus health
How would you know this without a mod

>>534237329
Because I've seen the pips on their lock on go up and down. Sometimes it just doesn't move at all as I do like 4 charge attacks from a power fist when they should die in 1. Then on the 4th one the lock on thing still doesn't change but now I can execute them.

Big fan of the blood angels pack colors, valdor gold is putting in work as my favorite trim color

>>534238416
Sounds like they’re not getting hit, not that the game is going “yeah you know what, give this Nid Warrior 200 health back”
The only mechanic that exists to give enemies health regen is when they enrage

>>534241713
>The only mechanic that exists to give enemies health regen is when they enrage

Yeah and enemies aren't supposed to becoming invincible or T pose. These devs are terrible.

I cant wait to make an Iron Hands techmarine :)

>neurothrope on the spiral staircase in termination on absolute difficulty
Jesus Christ

sniper still feeling like ass to play with the purple las fusil
can't hard carry a situation nearly as easily as i could with fist bulwark
I can to get through shit with literally no hp damage on him but sniper i'm getting chipped to death

>>534253260
skill issue

>>534253574
sure except that time an assault dove on top of my head while i was invisible trying to snipe out some zoanthropes and caused me to get fucking raped by all the shit that was hitting him
that time was his fault

>>534253673
sniper turns into the easiest solo class once you get your first prestige.

Fusil is good.

>>534258068
fucking saturday morning cartoon line

>>534260139
Multimelta is good.

>>534261703
at least one of them had to give bad duke nukem one-liners

>>534261937
Fist (assault) good.

>Quickmatch
>Chaos
>Quit
>Quickmatch
>Chaos
>Quit
>Quickmatch
>Chaos
>Quit
Im tired boss

>>534264381
I still can't decide what perks to use on the fist and whether I like balanced or block more.

I dont know what the fuck they did, but the combat feels like absolute shit now. Most of my parrys don't even give me gunstrikes anymore and none of the weapons feel responsive.

>>534265663
Sounds like a server issue

>>534270840
no it's skill issue

seriously though, they fucked something up when updating the servers yesterday didn't they

Saber needs to fuck off, die in Ukraine and go away...we don't need them no more.

Big Relic is back baby!

>>534275942
dawn of war 3

>>534276605
He will never reply

>>534276605
He won’t reply to this

A macuahuitl is a stone age chainsword. If a chainsword is considered a chainsword, then a macuahuitl should be considered a sword rather than a bladed club. If a macuahuitl is a bladed club then a chainsword must be a bladed club rather than a sword.

>>534283138
behold: a bladed club!
what the fuck are you smoking, dude

>>534283138
A maha-whatever (I don’t speak brown person) was just a bunch of rocks embedded in a piece of wood bro
The rocks didn’t move

>>534283138
Chainswords are based on the same technology used in chainsaws retard

>>534284094
>>534284291
>>534284401
Can you cut something with the chainsaw's "blade" while it is without teeth? Then a naked chainsaw is a club.

>>534284674
Thanks for confirming that you've never touched a chainsaw in your life

>>534284674
shine on

>>534284674
a toothless chainsaw is nothing

>>534286153
Damn that's a small sandwich

>>534286153
Hey Big E, can you make me a sandwich?

>>534283138
The chain part of a chainsaw is not a blade, but a chain. Shocking, yes. If a chainsword were to be swung like a club, when unpowered, it wouldn't be much a sword, yes, since the cutting edges aren't exactly all over the 'blade' of the weapon. But then again, you wouldn't call a chainsaw a saw if it isnt moving, and neither will you call a chainsword a sword when it's not moving. A macuahuitl can be neither used as a saw, nor a sword, because it lacks the property of a chainsaw or a chainsword by the fact that the obsidian teeth are fixed.

Instead, you should say a chainsword is a mechanized macuahuitl, that has so much cutting power, that it is pretty much a sword.

>>534287052
If you move a macuahuitl back and forth then it literally does function as a handsaw.

>>534287360
no it doesn't because the teeth are too few, too large, and too fragile to effectively saw anything

>>534287360
I absolutely would not trust obsidian to cut anything other than flesh

40k mod for age of empires when?

>>534288374
Lucky for you, they thought of that in 2004 and instead of just making a mod, they made an entire game

>>534288651
unlucky for everyone, the game is soon going to be delisted and lost for ever, replaced by a worse $current_year version

>>534288651
doesn't play at all like age of empires

>>534287360
A macuahuitl doesn't cut well at all. It's meant to cause small lacerations to maim the victims, not necessarily to kill them. The idea was that the club part would bruise and break bones while the blade would cause painful wounds that aren't lethal in most cases. Youd want your future slaves to not die from a blood loss, now wouldn't you

>>534291751
Historical accounts say it could decapitate men or even horses in combat.

>>534299039
I read that too, but it got me wondering if they were talking about 1 stroke, or multiple opponents cutting down a horse. Cutting down a human head vs a horse head is so vastly different considering the totally different structure with the horses being so much more robust. I also found that account really strange, because he called the mare a he. Ultimately there's a lot more account of it leaving gashes or lacerations rather than a clean cut. Now, I wonder how well a chainsaw with obsidian teeth would work? Probably not that great for prolonged usage because it's so brittle.

>>534300056
I believe you're misreading the quote, it's saying the indians slashed at the mare and beheaded the rider.

so, is saber doing anything about the servers? are there aware there are problems with melee? i hoped to kill some nids over the weekend, but i'm afraid they will not fix the game before packing up for weekend.

>>534304865
Yeah that does make more sense, but that would also mean there is no horse decapitation, just horse cutting, which is leagues away from the former. It's really not that hard to decapitate a person if you give a few good whack and a few cuts at the right place.

>>534309501
Somewhat crude replicas have been shown to be capable of cutting up relatively accurate replica horse heads with some effort. Single swing decapitations on the battlefield would probably be impossible for anyone except giant men with huge macuahuitls and some luck.
A perhaps equally destructive account says a horse was hit hard enough that its chest was split open to the innards.
Either way, the spanish tellings are consistent in reporting the weapons were highly effective as swords, which is not terribly difficult to believe given the potential sharpness of obsidian and some of them being proper two handers the size of a man.
The main thing putting everyone off of them being they're still just swords and it's a lot easier to make a regular metal sword if you've got a reliable source of metal and actually know how to work it.

>>534286153
teeny

Man vanguard fucking SUCKS.

Loading times sure are ridiculously long today
Servers having a good time?

>finally load in
>game has switched my class without asking me what I want to play instead
???

>>534340896
In my experience, he works best as "melee class that can actually function in ranged combat" with Tactical being the "ranged class that can function in melee combat"

>>534344931 (me)
Some truly terrible luck for my matchmaking today on top of it all

Also, I'm not being a schizo and there really is a new bug where enemies randomly take reduced damage or something of a similar effect, right? I'll go to power through a bit of damage knowing that I'll have an execution immediately to recover the CHP, then be given nothing as the enemy just tanks all the damage without caring. It's causing me to lose a lot of smaller health chunks across every mission.

Dogshit fucking game.

Is there anywhere for class and weapon builds or is it just ask for people to share theirs here? Returning player and interested in Heavy and Tac

>>534360725
First Tour Guardsman on youtube.

I am going to say the N word.

>>534344931
Came here to ask the same thing lol, long ass loading screens and laggy af in siege mode today.

Servers are overall crap this week. Disconnects etc.
This is not how a white Man is supposed to live.

>>534362870
N-2

For me its matches taking a minute in the loading screen to start. No progress bar, then after some time it behaves like normal, as host or client. Servers seem to be shitting themselves in a very general manner, not some kind of specific issue.

>>534361408
Thank you

Bonus exp event is already over. Why did they have it only run for 1 week and not at least try for 2 weekends?

Fusil.

>>534392608
>I'M A GENETIC FREAK
>AND I'M NOT NORMAL

>>534393119
i dont understand this reference

>>534393997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFoC3TR5rzI

>ywn get to play as a stormseer
bros...

god i wish the block list didnt have a limit

>>534396993
I miss the old bolt pistols.

>>534401190
I miss the old bolters in general.
Shit was clean.

>>534399296
Chances are instead of it being literally everyone else, it's you since you're the only common denominator.

>>534401717
youre right
i am just better than 99% of the """people""" that play this game

>>534402506
Brain problems.

*teleports behind you*

>>534408289
haha

tfw the mortal wound autist stopped posting before i got bingo

My friends and I picked this up, they are 100% locked and dialed in Assault and Bulwark.
What class do I pick so I can be credit to team in Siege?

>>534411906
any of them
heavy or tac if you care that much about team comp

>>533778161
I don't see any x2 headshot modifiers? only 10%s and shit like that

>>534412456
Check the stats screen

>>534411906
>assault and bulwark
My condolences

>>534411906
Sniper, heavy, or tactical so SOMEONE can deal with neuro/zoanthropes
If you are sticking to normal mode it's fine with any of them, if you want to do hard it's basically mandatory tactical and your assault friend will have to switch to vanguard

have they fixed melee yet?

>>534413957
rad... we'll stick to Normal for now
Is there any reason to choose combat knife over chainsword for vanguard?

>>534417771
>fixed
ahhahaha

>>534417771
What part are you referring to

>>534418190
the part where it stopped working yesterday, if you played the game you would have know.

>>534417789
Before 9.0 I would've said it's about preference but now that block chainsword got nerfed block knife is just too good comparatively

>>534419739
I played both yesterday and today and have no idea what you're referring to

Any new stuff leaked other than what we already know about? ( chaos spawn, new flamer weapon)

Any news on the techmarine or its champion skin?

>>534392608
Are you using it on minoris hordes? I feel like even when I am carrying my team my damage doesn’t get that high unless I use a melta and spam fire on minoris

>>534424830
>Any new stuff leaked other than what we already know about? ( chaos spawn, new flamer weapon)
There might be a tab for weapon cosmetics to unlock separate from the Siege unlocks in the future, Fists are going to get a cosmetic pack "soon" with Bulwark getting a Black Templar skin, and an Operation or two
>techmarine
Bolt Rifle, Heavy Bolt Rifle, Occulus Carbine and a Plasma gun will be primaries, the Plasma Pistol and Melta Pistol will be secondaries, and the Power Axe and Power Halberd will be melee. Ability is a shoulder mounted Bolter
You're going to have to go to Reddit for any discussion that isn't autists screeching about Fencing vs Block

>>534424830
There was the potential of a new 5th weapon tier (named heroic in the files) for some weapons
It could also just be special skins though

>>534431160
I'd nut over a new weapon tier.

when am i supposed to auspex the trygon? when it engages in melee with someone? i fucking suck at that boss

>>534444790
Right at the start of the fight, chuck a melta at and and then auspex it. After that the cooldown pretty much lines up with damage windows so any time it's above ground you can ping it and go apeshit.

>>534444790
Melta bombs stun it. Use those.

are we getting the chaos spawn opeartion in 10.0 or is it still some undisclosed future?

>>534451185
meanwhile normal dodges dont have this problem

>>534449129
Nothing in their hints so far about a new mission to go with the new enemy, but given the previews we have so far I'm betting the chaos spawn enemy itself will be introduced next update.

>>534451603
>their hints so far about a new mission
what hints? i don't remember them saying anything about the mission desu senpai. i only know that the chaos spawn has a boss variant.

>>534428197
When there is nothing else to shoot, yes.

>>534455703
That's what I'm saying, they've said nothing that indicates a new mission is coming in update 10. Only the flamer, axe, majoris chaos spawn, and the new modifier game mode. Gotta read the "nothing" at the start of my previous post.

>>534419739
Proof?

>>534445216
>>534446471
it helped a lot, thank you.

play ultramarines

Accuracy Bolt Rifle is fucking nutty now, it's like the Stalker's full auto brother with that x2 headshot multiplier.

>>534472127
no

>>534472127
I like them and am always happy to see one but I'll stick to my homebrew dudes.

>>534478854
post 'em

I always try to do one but then I always go back to the canon chapters. Namely the Ultramarines, Blood Ravens, Black Templars, Raven Guard, Dark Angels or Blood Angels.

>>534476737
its my favourite gun, i was using the damage version before the patch but the extra headshot bonus makes the damage feel the same. and its hip fire is pretty accurate. i think the stalker is more damage though

>>534480101
>>534478854
The only homebrew chapter I do is the one the general made. It's a pretty good design, the Phantom Links.

>>534496356
Excellent choice, Brother. I too run my Phantom Links as the only homebrew chapter.
Furtim est optio.

I am so utterly exhausted from having to solo carry literally every mission I play.

i cant wait until they fix the winged fury aoe damage. im doing fine without it. can clear absolute reliquary. i beat inferno with two bots

the other classes are so boring to play compared to assault

Those stories about Phantom Links are pretty fun, ngl.

>>534499475
I wish my teammates would suck more honestly, the best part of the game is when they both die and are forced to watch me pull of a sick clutch, I just know they’re jörking themselves to it, thinking “holy fuck how is this guy so good at this game”

>>534499979
It works on the TH but ngl senpai it's not that great because you can easily cause overkill on termagaunts

>>534505686
Its every mission for me dude.

>>534505686
That's my favorite part about any action game with co-op in it until I'm playing as assault and there's like a family of thropes spamming beams at me that can hit through walls and are undodgeable 50% of the time.

>>534503723
It was fun to work on those because half of it is just references to bane and the other is just the cadia story

>>534508086
>dying as a vanguard
Is such a thing even possible?

>>534512083
Their guns are shit and if they can't melee or get mogged by a horde they will die

>>534512370
The bolter carbine is one of the best ranged weapons in the game, dingus.

>>534512490
carbine is only good on the infinite ammo classes

>>534513229
I beg to differ. It's just fine.

>>534512490
The carbine isn't a ranged weapon, it's a semi-melee weapon

The Vanguard also does not have ammo regeneration unlike the other classes

That guy probably was a Blockshitter who didn't get the memo and lost all of his armour and health or a Fencing noob who tried to 1v12'd and got hosed because he only did babby damage

If he was a Balanced gigachad he could just shoot, stomp, smash, shoot, stomp, smash, etc.

>>534513836
>The Vanguard also does not have ammo regeneration unlike the other classes
That's not a problem for me. Is your aim that poor?

>>534514231
absolute is not balanced for this. they doubled the enemies without doubling the ammo. only aoe weapons like plasma are viable or infinite ammo perks

>>534515734
>absolute is not balanced for this
And yet it's absolutely doable.

Without the Extremis heal, the Vanguard is literally Assault-tier horrible.

>>534518610
assault has always been better than vanguard

>>534508086
I still like vanguard because i get to heal from extremis.

are people finally figuring out vanguard is some weird hybrid class that isn't actually good at melee or ranged and that his only upside is sustain tanking?

>>534518610
Again, I disagree. The mobility of the grapnel and the ability to regenerate grenades make it more than viable.
>zip in
>drop melta
>kill a bunch of stuff
>get another melta
>rinse and repeat
>bullet hose targets and melee accordingly
>regen health on kills
The class honestly plays itself, it's super easy. If you're bad at it it's very much a skill issue.

>>534515734
Skill fuckin' issue

post code or ur gay

assault main here

>>534520587
the only thing that matters is stagger and assault has a big cum drop of stagger
>>534520704
if you think the grappling hook gives you mobility, try assault

>assault mains suddenly crawling out of the woodwork now that their class isn’t universally agreed on as the most dogshit useless one in the game
Really makes you think

what's a good bolt sniper build?
i'm kinda liking it more than las fusil

>>534530361
use ammo variant, there are no good break points with the damage version, and the fire rate version is pointless. as long as you can put a ranged majoris into execute with a cloak headshot then thats the best you can do, and have the ammo on reload perk.

Fisting. I honestly have no desire to use any other melee weapon.

>>534530361
Ammo version

>>534525309
People will post codes once 10.0 hits. There's very few people left in the thread who haven't maxed out everything and the game doesn't incentivize constant replays.

okay you guys gonna laugh, but i genuinely don't know what i'm doing wrong.
i picked up relic plasma on tac to fill the bar and it feels AWFUL, it takes 3-4 charged shots to get a warrior to the execution state. doing ruthless because i'm prestiging. does it get better when you are swarmed by enemies so the aoe actually matters or did i botch the build? i took the damage variant and went with the bottom perk row. please help, i actually prefer bolt weapons on tac now.

>>534541960
>People will post codes when the final operation is added
>People will post codes when dreadnoughts are added to pvp
>People will post codes once the techmarine is added
>People will post codes when the new operation is added
YOU ARE HERE: People will post codes once 10.0 hits.
>people will post codes when the siege mode is added
>people will post codes when private pvp lobbies get added
my dude it's time to acknowledge that "post codes" just means "no u" here, people hate each others, and would rather play with randoms than invite anons in fear of getting called a shitter or worse, getting stalked.

>>534496356
Brother, may I have the Phantom Links chapter sheet? I can't seem to find it in my archive.

>>534542774
I don’t post codes because I know there’s a 99% chance I’ll end up sitting there for 15-20 minutes of no one joining and end up just playing with randoms anyway
So I’d rather just play with randoms from the start

>>534542374
post your weapon and class perks

>>534542774
The subhumans here are shitters who will only steal executes, take all of the stims and still die.

>>534543281
Not him, but there's a chapter card uploaded by Wall Anon on DudeWall website (see the OP). Under Phantom Links tab on list of chapters.

>>534544162
Thank you Brother

I really like this game, I really do.
But man, I've gotten too old or whatever because I'm really bad at it.
Can't block or dodge fast enough most of the time, constantly swarmed, never do enough damage.
I think this is the first time in my life there's a game I like with a skill level above me. Being a shitter feels bad.

>>534545239
are you talking about the operations or the campaign? in pve melee gets better once you unlock fencing and blocking weapons

>>534545239
Half the difficulty in this game is the grind. The average player isn't going to be able to tackle Absolute without a Pres4 maxed character.

Vanguard would be infinitely better with the following changes.

>Grapnel Launcher has a basic prioritization system which dictates what it locks onto in the direction you're facing, with deadlier targets seeing higher priority

>Grapnel Launcher crosshair flashes red when the target is in execution range, so now you don't have to rely on the lock-on system to gauge health accurately

>>534555730
enemies already flash yellow and red when you shoot them, but you didn't notice.

>>534430632
> Techmarine can use rifles

i dont like it, should only be able to use pistols and the halberd.

>>534544445
Don't mention it.

>>534565386
it also means we will either never get a grav pistol or it will be made so weak so that other classes can also equip it.

god I wish the regular bolt pistol was full auto so using it wasn't so fucking tedious

>>534545239
Took me about 70 hours to beat everything on absolute, took me about 100 to beat cataclysm in vt2 and 500 to master it. Game Is not that hard compared to other titles

>>534520587
Vanguard can shit on massive groups of majoris consistently, youre supposed to use the melta and take the dmg up close perks, easily the best class plus your healing makes it the best support class too. I basically soloed the new buffer absolute this way and unlocked the pouldron after not playing since release

>see a group of 6 majoris
>Run up to them
>Stunlock them all with each melta shot
>They all die in 5 shots
>Repeat 7 times before you run out of ammo
>Never happens because you run out of enemies faster
Hurr Durr Vanguard bad

>>534570392
if I take a melta, who the fuck is going to kill thropes? the assault retard with the inferno pistol? healslut boomer with the plasma?

>>534570902
You with your pistol or your 2 teammates which are at full ammo and hp. If not, thats your problem

>>534570895
you can do the same thing with a chainsword though. the real threats are ranged enemies, flying enemies, extremis and terminus

>>534571098
>You with your pistol
not when i'm aggroed by a lictor

>or your 2 teammates
my point exactly.

>>534571301
LMFAO I consistently do 30k ranged dmg and less than 1k melee damage on Vanguard, the fuck you dumbasses doing.

PLAY BOLTGUN

>>534577381
I cleared the first chapter and decided that was enough for me

>>534529984
I have been playing assault since day 1 and it was my first prestige 4 level 25. Having less than everyone else and half your shit not working is peak Lamenter for me and I just wish I could have worn the chapter colours/insignia from launch.
>who /here/ knows what 'Lament' means?

>>534580858
iktfb

>>534581383
>Lamenter
nice
>With damaged/old/worn armour
very nice
>Lamenter who fell to the Black Rage, the one and only thing they did not used to have... so its twice as tragic
KINO!

>>534571431
yeah because you are running up to enemies and shooting them. i am saying you can easily kill a pack of majoris with any melee weapon. meanwhile you are a burden to your team because you arent using a ranged weapon that can kill things at range. not that it matters, even a dead vanguard is fine to have since the heal team perk is busted

>>534581893
>Black Rage, the one and only thing they did not used to have
bruh, are you taking the piss out of me? i may not be a lore buff, but i'm pretty sure lamenters did suffer from black rage or they wouldn't have had death company

>>534582791
Wait, your are right. It was the Red Thirst they somehow did not have for a few centuries.

>>534582791
>>534582967
The Lamenters suffered from neither of the curses until the events of Slaughterhouse III, at which point something like half the chapter toppled over the edge when the red thirst hit them like a runaway train for the first time. Even through that, though, there was zero collateral damage. The Lamenters subconsciously refused to harm their charges even while their conscious minds were numb with white hot bloodthirst, and in the end their weaponized depression won out and most of them returned to normal.
The thirst was still there at the periphery of their minds after that, and the black rage showed up not long after.

really wish the knife's attacks had a bit more AoE

okay can someone explain why sometimes my las fusil from cloak, first shot, will just outright delete a warrior on headshot no execute and then other times not even put it into execute? Still a headshot, i can see the damned hitmarker

>>534567796
Some of saber's design choices are weird to say the least.

>>534590127
do you have the perk that increases your dmg if u stand still for 2 secs?

>>534590127
At the bare minimum it should put the Warrior on red unless it's in a blocking stance.

If you headshot it and it doesn't even turn red then it's a bug.

Saber's headshots mean directly hitting the front head, shit is wonky if you shoot side or back headshots.

>>534590361
Nope, was running adaptability at the time

fuck marry kill?

>>534590420
>side headshots don't work
jesus fuck this class sucks dick
Is the marksman bolt carbine at least good?

>>534590420
>Saber's headshots mean directly hitting the front head, shit is wonky if you shoot side or back headshots.
wait, what the fuck, am i really supposed to shoot zoans at the armored face plate instead of the exposed brain on the back to get extra damage?

>>534590434
You need Vantage point nigga

You only take other perks if you're in siege mode where playing as a sniper is fucking useless

For normal operations Vantage point and the +75% cloak damage

For siege mode you become a gay cloaking Vanguard with bolt carbine

>>534590127
range and melee nidders have different hp pools. ranged ones can be instantly killed, melee cant.

>>534590724
Youre a fucking retard lol

>>534590524
Trick question, kill all heretics

This is why the Sniper should be renamed as Scout Marine, you never fight in long range engagements anyway and you're heavily penalized for staying behind your teammates and the game floods you with enemies as you fall behind.

At least the Scout Marine can carry more weapons (like the HB, regular bolter, chainsword, flamer, bolt shotgun) and can still serve as the defacto "sniper" or marksman class.

When the so called Sniper class is magdumping a full auto bolt carbine in melee range and then spamming cloak knife attacks instead of oneshotting enemies with the Las Fusil and Bolt sniper rifle from far away it utterly failed as a class.

>>534590524
>Pre corruption Fulgrim was one of the greatest people to ever live, and one of the only primarchs who felt genuine respect for baseline humans and their accomplishments while viewing them as equals
>Every fan depiction makes Fulgrim look vain and pompous

>>534592414
he was only not corrupted before the great crusade
by the time he joined he was literally vain and pompous since he was the kang of his planet
laer blade came later
emperor's children aren't salamanders, like all eventual traitors they saw themselves above humanity
only the salamanders, war born (smurfs), night lords, war hounds (weaters) and spess wolves cared about normal, imperium abiding humans

>>534591403
>You need Vantage point nigga
I like having better boss damage over a highly conditional 10%
>>534591553
>ranged ones can be instantly killed, melee cant.
Both were melee
>Youre a fucking retard
Nigger a headshot is a headshot if it gives me a headshot hitmarker it should be full fucking damage

vantage point is useless, no zoomer or millennial wants to stand for 2 seconds for an extra 10% damage
should be reworked
if they want the sniper to stop and shoot make it 1 second and buff the damage to 50%+
this should turn the sniper rifles into oneshot kangs combined with targeted shot

No team perk btw.

>>534593678
>useless
>no zoomer or millennial wants to stand for 2 seconds
jesus christ the self burn

>>534593278
Everyone forgets the Imperial Fists in this regard.
What is their duty if not to protect humanity?
Imperial Fists allow whatever planet they 'rule' over to self govern. This is a major reason why they are the praetorians of Terra and can recruit from it.

However they actively improve infrastructure and defences and overall improve the daily lives of those around them.
That they are autistic about it i.e better cared for and fed people make for more productive workers and therefore strengthen the local fortifications and therefore the Imperium as a whole.

The one legion that saw their duty above all else. Ironically unlike the Salamanders plebbiters suck off, Imperial Fists would sacrifice a million to save a billion because they can do the math and not just guess the outcome. Salamanders would and do lose wars that cost a hundred times the lives victory would have for personal emotions while the Imperial Fists ensure the species survives.

Salamanders still think lesser of humanity they just have benevolent dictator views. The Emperor did not want Astartes to rule the species, only be its shield. He wanted Humanity to rise up on its own feet. The Imperial Fists are the only ones that treat humanity as autonomous adults capable of their own decisions so long as they stay within reasonable practices.

Necromunda is the best example of this. Most Legions would just purge it. Ultramarines would police it into rigid order. Night Lords would just revel in it. Salamanders ironically would fail to achieve anything in Necromunda and would be fighting a never ending defence of the 'innocents'.

Only the IF's recognise that Necromunda - sans chaos etc - is a part of humanity that you cannot eradicate, force into submission or really intervene if you are serious in any way of allowing the species to raise itself up. However, it has one advantage - strong recruiting grounds. Something the Imperium is desperate for at all times.

>>534594638
That pisses me off more than anything. It’s one thing to go in underleveled in hard siege or absolute, but if you are looking to get carried you could at least play a single ruthless match to get a basic team perk, that way when you die I at least get some extra melee damage or some shit

>>534594894
Nice cope Fist

You lost and you eat shit

>>534595014
thank saber for prestige grind, nobody has time for that

>>534593278
He was made kang of his planet because he turned a burnt out wasteland into a verdant and thriving world with great living conditions, he was definitely not a complete tool before the laer blade. He was a little cocky but he had plenty of reason to be.

>all the new players can't grind Absolute since they made it harder
>they're all stuck on Ruthless but it takes longer
>they get tired of the grind and quit the game
>meanwhile old players just spammed Absolute Decapitation/Inferno ad nauseum
>nowadays it's near suicide since there's always 2 Terminus enemies waiting

>>534595374
exactly my point idiot
he became cocky and vain when he was crowned kang and had 7 wives
he do be like dat already before meeting his battered """legion"""

>>534595443
come home, white man

>>534595598
He really isn’t that vain, dude is a giant demigod with a bunch of impressive accomplishments, should he act like some shitty harem protag with no self esteem? Definitely not corrupted to think highly of yourself if you are literally that impressive, it’s not like he was going around stomping babies for crying near him or shit

>>534595791
No. I spam normal sieges until I finally get the recolours then I drop the game since everything is already maxed and I am bored.

Also because I am an Aussie and not enough people here are good enough to bother pushing hard siege or anything like that...

>>534595443
Absolute feels like it is in a good place imo. It can be an actual challenge now even with decent players which it should be as the hardest difficulty. I feel like the chaos spawn enemies will finally make chaos not suck dick to fight.

>>534596632
More like Aussies are horrible players.

I got my helmet from US West players (had to Discordtroon a bit but I don't have nor use headsets) and beat siege mode with Japs, one of them was a Snoy player.

I've prestiged my deathwatch guy and only now noticed i forgot to give him a steel arm. come on, you guys could have told me.

>>534596982
Bit of a self report when I did everything you did but with literal randoms in OCE and did not need to be carried.
I was talking about bothering with wave 30+ hard siege.

>>534597503
How would we know if you never post him?
If I saw a random guy with a messed up kit in game I just assume he is missing unlocks or is from reddit.

>How would we know if you never post him?
because i have been around since the dark age of posting codes and playing together

>>534595014
he was level 25

>>534596793
>I feel like the chaos spawn enemies will finally make chaos not suck dick to fight.
plot twist: saber gives him uncancelable combos like lictor's, and rubrics will just keep shooting you while he prances around and hits you

>>534593314
its 20%
>>534590724
skill issue

>>534595443
absolute really isnt that hard

V2TH4

Hard mode Siege, join me wiggas

>>534606871
region?

>>534607365
eu

>>534607365
and by eu i mean bongland

>>534607828
>>534607654
Ping too spicy, no thanks

well i cba to wait so the code will be invalid now frens.

Okay

Let's be real, everyone will be playing DoW next week

This general is toast, let it die come back after 10.0 goes live for real

>>534593278
He was a great guy even during the crusade, chastising his legion for not being more humble and personable around normals while letting little kids ride on his shoulders.
He was preening and prideful, sure, but he never forgot where he came from, which is kind of the point of his corruption. He was the exemplar of humanity and turned into the most disgusting, hedonistic cretin imaginable.

>>534612281
He was already a gooner with multiple 12/10 wives.

>>534595443
I can do Absolutes perkless with one prestige per with like a 90% winrate, and I’m a 32 year old schizo with decaying reflexes playing on controller because extended keyboard use makes my hand hurt
If I can do it so can anyone else

>>534586181
Nice. A lot of similar ideas to my dudes.

>play siege for the first time
>buy stims
>nobody picks them up
>everybody dies

>>534586181
One of few things to come out of this general. Lord Baneathar approves.

>carnifex is fighting someone else
>execute majoris
>carnifex suddenly decides I'm the guy now and snipes me over cover from 10 miles away with artillery
>lose all my health and 3 armor pips and die instantly

All ranged damage in this game should be cut down by 2/3 I swear to god. Not everyone is playing fucking heavy.

Got out of a bad situation with a helbrute and some termis by just leaving on an elevator. Guess Brave Sir Robin's tactics are in the Codex Astartes somewhere

>>534627270
>Reminder: Objective is to cover ground quickly.

Quads.

>>534627270
I used to think Extremis enemies like the Lictor would follow you from area to area, then I learned that elevators are actually disguised loading/unloading screens and the game quietly de-spawns every enemy behind you so that it doesn’t crash eventually lmao

>>533992565
Really wish you weren't so accurate right now.

>>534628189
>>534633189
Yah, the friend I was playing with and I had kind of forgotten that since we hadn't played in a while. Got the Absolute pauldron so yay, but had a lot of relearning to do with the game.

>>534618283
Our inspiration was basically "What if Mortifactors but better looking?"

>>534632797
>git off mai vidyer

Is anyone else still experiencing the game freezing during siege mode?

Sniper is too easy.

i think i figured out the problem with nu-absolute. they developed a token system so that 5 majoris dont throw red attacks at you and stun lock you, so you can actually fight a few at a time. dodging one attack will leave you vulnerable to any other attacks coming you way for like 1/3 of a second. but it seems like extremis do not have the same token system as majoris. the only time i have ever dies is when i get a steady stream of red attacks and heavy blue attacks and even mashing dodge doesnt keep me alive. so someone designed the combat system, then later the devs broke it by throwing too many enemies at you. similar reason why ammo counts are all off since they never gave you enough to deal with all the garbage

>>534646178
>panic mashing dodge and then blaming the game when he gets hit
Everything you just mentioned, including lack of ammo, is a skill issue
If you’d brought up how Terminus enemies don’t use the token system or talked about Thrope beams clipping you through a wall or something instead I’d have taken your side

>>534648057
>Terminus enemies don’t use the token system
This is the most egregious thing in the game right now desu.

can people please stop lightly tapping the first zoan they see with a single pistol shot and triggering its shield from an out of sight partner when i could fucking one shot it

25% on first bullet in mag or 50% bonus on last bullet in mag for bolt sniper?

>>534648057
its not a skill issue, its a fun issue. i can solo absolute, but i dont like constantly rolling away, using cheesy strategies, or infinite ammo perks. the main problem is most of your actions stun yourself so its not possible to react to everything that is thrown at you unless you run away to a favorable position where les enemies can hit you

>>534653547
Getting blendered by Majoris and Extremis enemies is a skill issue
Learn timings better, learn to know when to commit to actions and when not to
>it’s not possible to react to everything that is thrown at you
It is, skill issue
I hate the fact that you’re making me say “skill issue” but fuck you sound like such a boomer with a bad case of learned helplessness right now
>complain that he runs out of ammo
>refuses to use infinite ammo perks
Learned helplessness

>>534653547
So what, you feel entitled to just never run out of ammo ever? Ammo is already fine even without ammo perks on most guns if you play well, do you just want infinite ammo at all times?

>>534655862
>It is
It's actually not since more than one enemy can attack you at the same time with different, staggered attacks.

>>534627270
don't get too reliant on that, on higher threat levels elevators get locked until the terminus enemy is dead.

>>534658196
You dodged wrong in this video, if you had dodged with better timing you would have lived
What’s the point of this clip?

>>534660742
>>534658196
Also I like how this clip showed you instantly dropped to a single Ravener attack, which means you had no health and no armor because you made many, many mistakes before this clip, and I’m gonna take a wild guess and say they weren’t because 2 Extremis enemies kept syncing their attacks up like that

>>534652918
first bullet, you can have first bullet whenever you want, getting last bullet is much harder

>>534549771
Really? damn, i use absolute to level.

>>534596982
Did you group up with people from the official SM2 discord?

>There are mods that allow up to 12 players to play coop
>It works flawlessly
>Its a choice by Sabre to not give players fun instead of an engine limitation
Jesus Christ this game was the biggest fucking disappointment. Its No Mans Sky without the redemption arc.

>>534667716
everytime you click the middle mouse button to aim is a reminder you're playing a console port, chud.

>>534670721
I haven't clicked middle mouse to aim since the first 5 minutes of playing this game

>>534660742
>you dodged wrong
>literally perfect dodge by the game's own mechanics

>>534658196
I wouldn't really call this a skill issue, but one funny thing is I'm pretty sure if you had parried instead of dodging you would've been fine
Orange attacks get interrupted generally if you parry a parryable attack at around the same time

>>534672364
>generally
except the times when the orange attack connects a millisecond earlier and you get hit by both, staggered, punished with two extra hits and left with 10% hp.

>>534672364
That blue attack is very slow, the red attack being a grab and physically touching the player before the blue attack probably would have landed first.

>>534672656
>>534673438
I've been surprised by it before thinking that the orange attack must be about to hit me just before the blue, only for both attacks to be parried. It wouldn't surprise me basically.

Bulwark is the most fun class, don't @ me

>Blocking ranged shots and radiating in smugness
>Tankiest class in the game
>Block cancelling melee into dodges
>Meatiest melee on average thanks to his 20% charged attack damage being a prestige perk
>Banner is one of the most impactful perks in the game

>>534667716
>Its a choice by Sabre to not give players fun instead of an engine limitation
No it's quite literally an engine limitation. The game would explode on consoles with 12 players and those boosted enemy numbers.

>>534678737
you dropped this king

>>534530361
The damage varaint should now be able to 1 shot warriors without using targeted strike or whatever the 75% + cloak damage one. It was literally like 1.7 damage off from doing that iirc. Now you just need to cloak.

>>534672364
I don't think unblockable gets interrupted but you should be invulnerable during a successful parry.

Used it on a whim because someone else recommended it. Yeah, the x2 headshot mult Bolt Rifle >without< the grenade launcher attachment absolutely fucks now. I'd argue it's better than the Stalker in general fighting because it has far less recoil and it's full auto, so you're getting similar DPS against Majoris enemies without having to manage the kick or put your hand under tension with click spamming.

>be vanguard
>bulwark wastes heals by killing extremis with gunshots/while being at full health
>tries to heal us with a banner instead

>>534681340
I sure as shit hope the bolt rifle is a sign of what's to come for the hbr and the abr. Perhaps they shouldn't be afraid of the auspex having a stupid high multiplier.

>>534681702
For the HBR, they need to change it so the accuracy version does like 1.35 headshot damage over the base 1.15, and the scoped version does 1.65.

For the Auto Bolt Rifle, it just needs more variants and a few more perks regarding close range bullet hosing.

melta rifle is crazy fun. i wish i knew about it before blocking chainsword was made shit.

>>534682676
I also think body shot damage should be such dog shit... Sure it shouldn't be rewarding to not shoot the head but it's way too punishing if you miss. Abr needs to have a similar but smaller buff like the carbine when close up.

>load in a lobby
>first nick: baibai
>second nick: [chink characters]
>ping: 350 ms
dis gon be good

Rate the operations from most fun to least fun with bots.

>>534683020
IMO all full auto weapons intended to just dump massive amounts of ammo at once should be far more efficient at bodyshotting. Not as good DPS as precision weapons, but 75% as good is a solid benchmark.

>>534658196
>>534660742
even when presented with video evidence they shut off their brain and defend saber. and calling people who point it out as "entitled" or "boomers" is peak projection. the game is obviously broken. the gameplay was designed to work a certain way and now it does not work with multiple extremis and terminus fighting you at the same time. they are only now getting around to buffing ranged damage and ammo counts because you dont have enough ammo for all the extra enemies. this game could be good but its not right now.

>>534684429
It's baffling that they add fully automatic weapons that do fuckall damage per shot and semi automatic that do high damage per shot but still take a blanket balancing approach to both that makes them all useless with bodyshots.

>>534691470
Is it really baffling that a game full of shitty design choices has a shitty design choice?

in both the hive tyrant and trygon death scenes, the bolter rounds are exploding

>>534691813
Also the prologue carnifex death cinematic
>bolts in gameplay just fly through minoris and do no damage
>bolts in cinematics explode in terminus and tear them apart

>>534692635
real warfare vs imperial propaganda

>>534687684
Again, there are many things I will call Saber out for on their dogshit. Terminus enemies not using the token system and attacking you while you can’t defend, ‘Thrope beams double hitting you or clipping through cover or walls, not being able to gunstrike enemies even if you perfect dodge or parry them, blocks or parries whiffing because the enemy was too close and you just parry empty air, etc, etc
>waaagh I ran out of ammo because I didn’t properly ration it
is a skill issue
>waaagh I went down to multiple Majoris/Extremis enemies because I can’t into proper spacing and took bad gunstrikes/dodges and went down
is a skill issue
When you try to blame skill issues on the devs, not only do you like embarrassing, but you muddle the waters of discussion around actual, real issue, and make it hard to figure out what needs to be fixed and what doesn’t.
For instance, the token system does not need to be fixed. It works perfectly fine.
Terminus enemies not respecting the token system does need to be fixed. It does not work fine.

>>534695152
>>534701127
>the emperor always said we shouldn't be afraid of our legions

>>534710953
you have no idea what you are talking about. extremis are the problem. terminus not using the token system actually makes sense, they are a boss. but extremis have multi attack combos and are relentless, they are the only thing that can actually kill you. you not being able to dodge thrope beams exposes that you are the one with a skill issue, thrope beams are a free gunstrike for me. obviously if you are not aware of the ammo issue then you have never played without the free ammo perks crutches. you cannot use the bolt rifle without the infinite ammo tact perk, thats bad design. and like i said before, i can solo absolute. its just not fun due to bad design decisions.

before the patch the extremis token issue wasnt even a problem for me since i used the block chainsword which lets you stagger everything out of their red attacks. but now that the block chainsword is shit and i have to use balance (the intended parry mechanism) its clear the game is broken. they either need to fix the token system for extremis, or implement the block stagger mechanic so that for example after 3 perfect dodges or parries you gain the infinite stagger "retaliation" effect.

>>534710953
>token system does not need to be fixed. It works perfectly fine.
>Terminus enemies not respecting the token system does need to be fixed. It does not work fine.

He literally posted a video where extremis enemies didn't respect the token system. What more do you want?

>>534718036
They did respect the token system in that video, he just dodged poorly, and, as another anon pointed out, probably would have been fine if he parried instead of dodged.

>>534717867
You’re a disingenuous fucking retard, I didn’t say I couldn’t dodge Thrope beams, I said I wouldn’t say someone had a skill issue if they got clipped by one through a wall
I don’t believe that you can solo Absolute at this point

>>534718036
Also in case you didn’t know, the token system does not say that two enemies can’t attack you at once or that they can’t sync their attacks
It means that if 20 enemies are surrounding you, only 3-4 are allowed to attack you at a time

>>534691652
uhh... not really

>>533653682 (OP)
Wall me. I have neither lore nor a name, I made this scheme a while ago when my brother was interested in playing the tabletop game

>>534733480
>Wall me.
That's not how this works.