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XV2 Daima DLC just dropped.
Shallot DLC released for Sparking! ZERO
DRAGON BALL Z: KAKAROT -DAIMA- Adventure Through the Demon Realm Part 1 Launch Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPfh7-8Bdlc
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>Useful links:rentry.org/dft79
XV2 news:
>Future Saga 3 DLC on the way, release date TBA>Upcoming character: SS3 Vegeta>Festival of Universes 3 ended, both Universe 6 and 11 won twice between 4 platforms.SDBH News/Resources:
>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24>SDBH Database: www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/>Deck Autism: rentry.org/sdbhdecklistDBSDV news:
>SDV3 leaked: More Frieza saga, SS3 Goku (Mini-Daima), and Gomah as notable GDRs and Giants returning as an Action Skill>You can have a team of up to 8 characters (7 cards and an avatar)>3 card types: Impact, Rush, and Boost>CAA/TAA have been renamed as Action Skills>If you collect all 7 dragon balls in-game and summon Shenron, you'll pull an guaranteed Super Rare card>Avatars can also be Namekians or Fridges>Avatars can also equip accessories and level up a skill tree>If you max out your SDBH avatar's level and transfer them over to Superdivers, you can unlock default SDBH avatar skins for your Superdivers avatar>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21
DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefile
If you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.
Kakarot:
>Daima DLC Part 1 will release on July 17th 2025>Daima DLC Part 2 will release in early 2026DB The Breakers:
>Season 8 launched with Golden Frieza Raider>Ultra Instinct Goku transphere>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry herehttp://xenoverse.booru.org/
Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)
Thank you
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>>533809714 (OP)God I hate that Toyotaro cover
>>533809954Gohan is female-coded so this works better than female Goku.
>>533809714 (OP)The most beautiful and environmentally friendly thread on the board rn
>>533809954FemGohan ryona...
>>533809887Same. It looks like some shit out of Kakumei
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>>533803224>I don't like the insistence on sadala but I understand people really wanted a sadala arc and I'm the minority.I think anyone who wanted a Sadala arc felt monkey pawned...
>>533805314God I love King Piccolo vs Goku... Toriyama nailed this "David vs Goliath" kind of battle.
>>533810689>I think anyone who wanted a Sadala arc felt monkey pawned...Yeah, I thought a Sadala arc would be cool but this was a disaster.
>>533810689Piccolo Daimao was so fucking tall.
Speaking of David vs Goliath, here's an underrated moment.
>>533810797Cool how? I used to be in the same boat until I realized how boring U6 is in reality.
>>533810689Did they? What did people expect?
>>533810969>Cool how?Seeing a new planet is always fun and I thought there could be fun stuff done with the King.
> I used to be in the same boat until I realized how boring U6 is in reality.U6 is fun, the saiyans are pretty unique, the metal men could be funny to visit and Hit's whole assassin gig has interesting implications.
>>533811303Since we've already seen most of what these guys can do, the only way to make this arc interesting is to have it be a training type deal involving people not in the ToP
>>533810969A U6 arc is only boring if the writer doesn't know how to make something interesting out of it. It's entirely a problem of failing to capitalize on anything.
>>533811535That goes without saying. Obviously if you can make something as lame sounding as Death Note into something entertaining you can make anything entertaining.
>>533811483Nah, fuck training, just have them explore the planet and meeting people, make it a chill arc.
You can even use it to lore drop about the Saiyans and U6 in general.
Vegeta would SO play a Kashtira deck.
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Version with audio so you can hear me canceling the jump HP into air taunt: files.catbox.moe/1witdc.webm
I wish we could've seen more of Goku interacting with randoms
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>>533834727>>533818229>>533810625Post something new nigga. Get new material
>>533824456Always wanted to play as Chiaotzu in the Budokai games as a kid.
>>533824456Still mad this never got a PC port, or an arcade dump.
>>533835809>or an arcade dumpI'll go to Japan myself and find an abandoned cabinet if I have to.
>Make saiyan character
>Extremely limited in hairstyles because flat hair for super saiyan transformations is ass
This fucking sucks, if breakers could do it abit in a half assed way why can't xenoverse?
>>533820216>FighterZ is dead>If we ever get another fighting game it won't look as good as this OR FighterZ despite being a next-gen game in the mid 2020s charging $60-$70I hate the state modern anime games are in.
>>533837408Xenoverse doesn't even have potara
>>533838106How is that Hunter X Hunter game doing? I remember putting it off because it looked like a mobile game and the combat didn't seem interesting. Is it good enough to get on sale?
https://youtu.be/kqT9c6i3nRE
>>533835171Is this what you want?
>>533838461It's doing worse than Sparking Shit sadly enough
>>533837408we definitely need more options!
>>533838823you like hairy pits huh
>>533839461Is this even a question? Seripa would rape her.
>>533838598Get new genderswaped niggas. Show me one I havent seen before
>>533839227>>533838823Ai SHART. Does this girl have a name?
>>533837408I really hate the way they treated the Saiyans.
>no tails>Hair doesn't spike up for Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan Blue>stays the same during SS2>reused Goku hair for SS3>have future Super Saiyan for some odd reason but not ascended super saiyan>SSG doesn't get skinnier >hair is all stiff like a lego hair piece >aura is ugly>face models are also ugly and make expressions look badI liked the SSBE transformation animation but that's it.
>>533838729Is it the fans' fault or is it a bad game?
>>533840068But should you?
>>533839982Something more exotic
>>533840414I'll ask Yamcha
>>533840510Fine, here you go.
>>533840649She solos Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Jujutsu Kaisen, Demon Slayer, Fire Force, Fairy Tale, and Solo Levelling.
>>533840649This makes me feel weird...
>>533809714 (OP)Dragon Ball the Breakers 2 be like:
>Can you hear me? It's Trunks!>I sent a super DUPER time machine, as well as a crate of Super supplies!
>>533839982Synthetic Man...
>>533840649I think if Tao looked like this a lot of people would have developed a mommydom fetish.
How would you fix Dragon Ball Legends?
>>533863112>More PVE content >More original side stories like Young Nappa>game original characters and events>Make F2Ps be for tertiary characters who either have like one tiny attack and nothing else like Degusu, or are for special events like Farmer with a Shotgun and the other april fools characters>Bring Legends Roads back, basically F2Ps but they have enough content to make movesets for>More characters with original animations, not just Vegito>Giant character raid mode
I'm still thinking about how that Chinese Dragon Ball game is the last DB game to start off from early Dragon Ball (and the first one in a long time) but it died before it could even reach the Buu arc.
>>533838598Post more Gohan-chan
>>533869058>afrobullIs this futa?
i am new to xv2 and wondering what stats spread i should use for my female human. is there a base template or smth? i dont mind testing stuff out myself if there is a respec option
There it is, peak cinema.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7GeMEEuS5U
>>533837408I think xenoverse 3 should have unique hairstyles for saiyans and unique hairs for humans with no mixing of the two. Saiyan could have like 6 different spiky hair styles that all get even spikier when transformed to cut dev time (not like anybody every used more than 3 hair styles on saiyans in xv2 anyway)
>>533877149Female humans tend to be Ki Blast Super specialists (only Female Saiyans outpace them in that regard), doubling down on that lets you do some pretty significant damage. They also have some decent combo strings so it's not a bad idea to invest in basic attack, plus like male humans they get some bonus damage at full Ki and have passive Ki regen. You can reset stats via Shenron if you need to switch things up. Do note that their unique Awakening is Power Pole Pro, which changes your combo strings and movement options. It's actually a very usable skill but it takes a lot of effort to really get good at, and the benefits it gives might not sound as appealing as Potential Unleashed or Beast.
>>533880629thank you so much fwen i love u!!
*mwah*
>>533888865Easily. By channeling my hatred of Goku into a single post.
>>533889210You can't hate Goku, it's forbidden!
>>533890082That makes me hate him more! My hate increases tenfold!
I did some science.
Without any passives, it takes 108frames to increase your D-Change Gauge by 1%. From 0% to 100%, just idle without any cooldown drinks or anything, it takes exactly 3 minutes to fully regain your D-Change (108x100/60=180seconds).
"I'm a Bit Stronger Than You" at +20 will speed up your D-Change cooldown by 50% while panicked (when you're really close to the Raider, enough for that panicked speed boost running animation. the heartbeat isn't enough), which knocks it down a percentage every 54frames. You'll be getting D-Change percentage just under every second instead of almost two seconds.
I'm actually not sure about that "Under Certain Amount" threshold. Without that, you could get D-Change from 0 to 100 in 1minute 30seconds, but that threshold is going to make it slow again at some point.
>>533892804Is the gap actually noticeable or not?
>>533893684Seems pretty decent to me. Imagine you're Lv2 during the STM phase. You wait 45seconds in panic to get to 50% with "I'm a Bit Stronger Than You" and then drink a cooldown drink for the other 50% and have D-Change ready. Without that, you'd be waiting around an extra 45 seconds for the same effect.
I should fix my sleep schedule...
with no festival going on I can put xenoverse 2 up for a while I wonder how long til we see a trailer for future saga 3, imagine if that's it for this year? we get absolutely nothing for the next 6 months
>>533900219shit, it's 5 AM, I really need to sleep now.
>>533904085Just cum, you'll be tried in no time
>*sob* they criticized my waifu....... they called her le cheater.....
>9 MORE MONTHS OF MAJIN BRA! THAT'LL TEACH YOU
>remove bra's bra
>power explodes like broly
Bra got raped by Vegetta, Trunks, Goten, and Gohan after the tournament ended. Brutal asphyxiation ryona rape
>>533920078Salagir would masturbate to this.
>>533920214One day I'll be able to draw. One day...
>>533893684It is if your broke ass doesn't have better d change skills
>>533842851That's not fat buu
>>533842851She's so adorable
Can he beat Goku at mahjong?
>>533930306Goku would just eat his pieces while he isn't looking.
>>533922282cute 62 year old man
>>533922282>Bra wants to pull his tail
>>533930306Well yeah Goku's a idiort
Goku making son bra fall in love with his OPTIMISM, to the displeasure of salad gear
>>533937731Bra doesn't deserve anything nice. Women like that only respect guys more abusive than them.
Hypothetically, Pan and Bra (and others if you want) get a series. What the fuck would it be about?
>>533940215isekai harem, (You) are the protagonist
Super Divers got a manga apparently.
>>533940215>What the fuck would it be about?Nothing, it'd just be an inferior version of Goku's story.
Only character you could genuinely make a spin off without it literally be 'It'd be better with Goku' is Hit because you'd basically be making 'Cobra in Dragon Ball'.
Goku if he had Gine's hair.
Do you think Bandai and Shueisha regret killing Heroes?
>>533936935Who wouldn't?
>>533941658Girlku...
>>533941658Raditz had Gine's hair
>>533810625thought someone was pounding her from behind
>>533949927Adorable, who made that?
>>533952218me
I draw most of my own art
>>533940569Cringe. Should be Goku. He's better than (You).
Oh boy I can't wait to play Breakers and-
>failed to connect to room members x6
>>533954552Oh boy, I can't wait to play Breakers and-
>super transphere teams with raider
>>533940215>What the fuck would it be about?Goku getting turned into a kid and traveling with them as they tease him over his child-like appearance and behavior!
>/dbs/ Thread lasted 2 days
>all of topic shit got deleted
Damn did all the annoying people get banned? I might actually go back to them now that they're good again
>>533919539>Babidi's rampage lasted for two years>Two Broly chapters right after it ends
>>533957704The schizos are getting banned hard but they're also being very strict with what's classified as offtopic. Stay safe because they're very casual about handing out 3 day bans.
>>533957704>againthere was never a first time
>>5339659612017-2022 was good
>>533893684I haven't noticed it. It feels like craving earth's delights. Like a poverty D-change skill.
Kakarot DLC released
Sparking zero DLC released
Breakers end of service update released
Xenoverse 2 festival of universe 4 concluded
Will VJUMP have anything dragonball related this month? feels like even Legends doesn't have anything going on right now will it just be more of that pokemon unite like game?
>>533991875>Sparking zero DLC releasedNo it didn't
>S1 Breakers
>Haha Nimbus is so shit can you imagine anybody using this
>S9 Breakers
>omg Nimbus is so busted Survivor needs a nerf NOW
>Tuffle Quest
>Kami uses the Pendulum Room to send Maple and Goku sort of back in time so he can can get used to Oozaru form
>After a fight with King Vegeta (Which Goku briefly achieved False Super Saiyan) they're sent back
>Kami is scolded for hours by someone else
>"Also... who exactly is Kami talking to? King Kai? ...someone even higher?"
>Trip thinks for a moment. "...does Tuffle mythology have a sort of... deity of Time?"
Kato has a talent for making connections between unrelated things. Chronoa being pissed over the Pendulum Room being used is a completely natural event, yet I didn't think of connecting the two even while being aware the Pendulum Room is connected and Chronoa is part of the story. These "Oh! Of course!" moments are Tuffle Quest at its best.
I also appreciate Towa being dumbed down. While omnidisciplinary scientists are common place in DB, they're unrelated to each other, but since this story is about connecting events and characters, a slightly dumber Towa taking her time to create Mira, and needing Gero's help for it, does make everyone involved stand out.
>>534001113>>Kami uses the Pendulum Room to send Maple and Goku sort of back in time so he can can get used to Oozaru form>>After a fight with King Vegeta (Which Goku briefly achieved False Super Saiyan) they're sent back>>Kami is scolded for hours by someone elseNo wonder Boss might be pissed, that's something Fu would try to make happen internationally.
>I also appreciate Towa being dumbed down. While omnidisciplinary scientists are common place in DB, they're unrelated to each other, but since this story is about connecting events and characters, a slightly dumber Towa taking her time to create Mira, and needing Gero's help for it, does make everyone involved stand out.That's smart. Keeps things from being too centralized and having Gero help with Mira makes sense. Makes me wonder if 17 and 18 and Cell will get supercharged with Demon Realm bullshit though.
>>534003579>No wonder Boss might be pissed, that's something Fu would try to make happen internationally. And from what she says later, another timeline was created because of the time travel (I was under the assumption it was a self correcting time travel), she's allowing the timeline to exist but she was pissed another was created at all and demanded Kami to seal the Pendulum Room.
>Keeps things from being too centralized and having Gero help with Mira makes sense.Yeah, and it's not like Towa is ignorant in creating Mira, as it's written in one of Gero's documents that she helped him with the creation of other androids, Towa just isn't doing it all alone.
>Makes me wonder if 17 and 18 and Cell will get supercharged with Demon Realm bullshit though.It was mentioned they don't become androids here, though 17 and 18 are around, they're Krillin's disciples. Cell will be completely shocked about this timeline. I'm not sure if he'll remain Imperfect the whole time or if he'll evolve in some other way. A document Maple found does allude to 13/14/15 having designs, so they'll probably become one of the main threats from Androids Saga, but unless they're changed to biological androids over mechanical, Cell can't absorb them.
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>>533860681there's no dick, though
>>533940215>Pan and Bulla are both 13~>Pan, in the throes of puberty and a a mutt identity crisis, decides she wants to become more like a "real saiyan" and goes to Vegeta to ask for him to teach and train her in the ways of saiyanhood>Bulla become boilingly jealous that Her Daddy is spending more time with Pan than with her, and so goes off to get Goku's attention to try and get under Vegeta's skin; Goku will only pay attention to her if she's willing to train with him>both men come to find a new sense of fulfillment having protégés to train and empart their knowledge on, and both girls come to enjoy the positive male role models they have found>meanwhile, the 32nd WMAT is coming up, so both Pan and Bulla decide to compete to prove who developed a better relationship with their mentor (and to claw back attention from their father/grandfather)
>>534004924Probably hard to just snap it back into place after you have a Goku going FSSJ. And it's interesting to hear, wonder if Cell goes after them anyway only to get very confused by them not being Androids.
>>534005996>Probably hard to just snap it back into place after you have a Goku going FSSJ.Much like in Slug's movie, it was temporary. Maybe Goku will do it again, but it's more likely he'll just achieve super saiyan instead of false super saiyan again. I do know he'll get it before saiyan saga, question is when. Piccolo would be an obvious choice as far as major villains go, but from what a skimmed over from the chapter descriptions, Piccolo will not be the last arc from OG era, so he won't necessarily be the one who'll cause Goku to transform.
>wonder if Cell goes after them anyway only to get very confused by them not being Androids.He likely will, but might tell something is off because he can sense their ki. He could still try to just absorb them like he absorbs any other person, but even if he were to succeed, he wouldn't become as strong.
>>534007752 (Me)
God damn it... Meant for
>>534006646
>>534001113>Kato has a talent for making connections between unrelated things. Chronoa being pissed over the Pendulum Room being used is a completely natural event, yet I didn't think of connecting the two even while being aware the Pendulum Room is connected and Chronoa is part of the story. These "Oh! Of course!" moments are Tuffle Quest at its best.If there's one thing that really kept me coming back to the Quest, it's probably that. The lady very clearly has an autistic love for Dragon Ball content and I say that in as positive a way as possible. She will make some fun connections between things, and not just as a "lore" connection but often as something actually relevant to the story's plot. For example, later on in the Kai section we have Tapion's sword being revealed as a weapon made by the Kais that his world's Kami used against Hirudegarn, capable of channeling energy from its surroundings like the Spirit Bomb and giving him the power needed to do enough damage to actually get Hirudegarn weak enough to seal (in other words, the Sword of Hope). In the final fight against Hirudegarn, we manage to use it as Izzy with that effect, amplified even further, to put Hirudegarn down for good.
>>534003579>>534004924>>534006646We do get a fight against 13, 14, and 15, but it's not quite the "main" Android threat. Lapis and Lazuli never end up getting turned into 17 and 18, but Gero still develops a 17, 18, and even 19, just with very different bases. Pic related is one of them. Future Cell has a terrible time, but our Gero gets a more creative idea on his development for Cell.
>>534007752>I do know he'll get it before saiyan saga, question is when. Piccolo would be an obvious choice as far as major villains go, but from what a skimmed over from the chapter descriptions, Piccolo will not be the last arc from OG era, so he won't necessarily be the one who'll cause Goku to transform.That's very interesting. I did hear that characters got stronger much quicker but it's still interesting.
>He likely will, but might tell something is off because he can sense their ki. He could still try to just absorb them like he absorbs any other person, but even if he were to succeed, he wouldn't become as strong.kek, Cell ends up in the wrong timeline and thinks he got ripped off. Maybe Boss let that happen purely to ensure Cell didn't get Perfect again.
>>534009159>For example, later on in the Kai section we have Tapion's sword being revealed as a weapon made by the Kais that his world's Kami used against Hirudegarn, capable of channeling energy from its surroundings like the Spirit Bomb and giving him the power needed to do enough damage to actually get Hirudegarn weak enough to seal (in other words, the Sword of Hope). In the final fight against Hirudegarn, we manage to use it as Izzy with that effect, amplified even further, to put Hirudegarn down for good.Okay I actually like that. The idea is a fine enough way to explain the Trunks bullshit but actually making it relevant and a thing players can do is just good QMing.
>Gero still develops a 17, 18, and even 19, just with very different bases. Pic related is one of them.Absolutely superb taste. Nico a cute.
>>534010210>Nico a cute.Damn right.
>>534009159>If there's one thing that really kept me coming back to the Quest, it's probably that.Same. Writing has improved over time, but it's those connections that keep things interesting and unpredictable.
>in other words, the Sword of HopeThat works way better than what DBS did...
>>534010210>That's very interesting. I did hear that characters got stronger much quicker but it's still interesting.Yeah, Goku as of chapter 36 has a power level of 12500, and that's before Piccolo is dealt with, and he has Kaioken to boot. I'm fully expecting him to become stronger than Vegeta without Kaioken before Piccolo is dealt with. I think everyone else has a power level of around 3000 at worst.
Everyone still goes their separate ways when training, but they train better this time around. Maple sometimes drops in to get trade moves (Something I don't care for. A few moves would be fine, but currently she has almost every named move from OG, including Kikoho...).
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(Evil 21/no bulge on either character)
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(Good 21/no bulge on either character)
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and (Good 21 again, but with a bulge for Darkness Towa)
>>534011649>Yeah, Goku as of chapter 36 has a power level of 12500, and that's before Piccolo is dealt with, and he has Kaioken to boot. I'm fully expecting him to become stronger than Vegeta without Kaioken before Piccolo is dealt withDamn, that's a massive jump up. But I'll take it over the kinds of Vegetafagging many other fanfic writers can't seem to help but default to.
>I think everyone else has a power level of around 3000 at worst.I guess that's reasonable. Most of the Z-fighters could get up to Raditz level or higher in the year before the Saiyans arrived, if it's a more gradual increase to that from a slightly higher base then it makes a good amount of sense.
>>534011649We as players did really end up making Maple quite a bit of a move sponge, and while it did end up helping some others share stuff and come up with new things, a lot of it ended up with her having like a dozen different techniques to pull from. It was toned down quite a bit with the kids, with each of them developing pretty differently. Peppa ends up coming up with a lot of original techniques (a Ki Drill ending up her signature move), Gohan has a healthy mix of shared and adapted skills (alongside swordplay and some Kai-derived arts), while Izzy has a plethora of Magic-boosted techniques she develops or learns on her own (amplified all the more because of her Mahou Shoujo transformation, another thing she pieces together on her own).
>>534014157>Damn, that's a massive jump up. But I'll take it over the kinds of Vegetafagging many other fanfic writers can't seem to help but default to.It does help that characters tend to adventure together. For example, the Korin training? Most characters were involved, and Korin himself was warned of upcoming threats and it's implied he trained with Kami , so he was stronger than usual too (IIRC a power level of 800), which helped everyone else improve.
>I guess that's reasonable. Most of the Z-fighters could get up to Raditz level or higher in the year before the Saiyans arrived, if it's a more gradual increase to that from a slightly higher base then it makes a good amount of sense.Yeah it's reasonable enough.
>>534014565>We as players did really end up making Maple quite a bit of a move spongeShe was tailor made to become a move sponge too. The first chapters established her whole "Equivalent exchange" philosophy, for her to learn, and teach, and while the players chose the moves, Kato was giving the options to begin with.
>It was toned down quite a bit with the kids, with each of them developing pretty differently.It's sounding like the mistakes she made with Maple/Acer are corrected with the kids. Hopefully none of them end up being another Acer.
>Gohan has a healthy mix of shared and adapted skills (alongside swordplay and some Kai-derived arts)Chrono Trigger reference I'd guess. I'd also guess Acer trained him, but so far he hasn't used a sword yet...
>Tuffle Quest
>Goku, Tien, Maple and Acer are searching for the Sacred Crown
>Said crown attracts lightning to teach whoever wears it to dodge ("As quiet as the sky, quicker than lightning")
>Characters who manage to dodge the multiple lightning get a new aura, all about increasing speed
>This is where the "Raioken" mentioned before comes from
Here I thought Raioken would be just the characters learning Kaioken, and "reverse engineering it" to only keep the speed increase... This is more creative and uses an element from DB filler, but I'm not sure about how it was obtained. The whole point of "As quiet as the sky, quicker than lightning" is for a warrior to have that as a natural state... I think it would make more sense if the characters sensed something while using the crown, and trained until they came up with Raioken. The way it was done is like a video game's unlockable power up that you get from completing a challenge...
Funny Ultra Instinct has a similar issue kek.
>>534021304A couple of our players became kinda obsessed with that crown and and the Raioken, and tried to take damn near everyone they could over to it so they'd unlock it. I recall Kato even poking a bit of fun at it at one point with a little omake about there being a damn line up to the crown. There is a bit more that gets done with it out of actual training and experimentation later on though.
>>534022528So this is Tuffle Quest's equivalent of "Kaioken for everyone"...
>>534022689I think at least one of them started plotting out a whole damn training course for powerups to gain and people to learn from, like it was something halfway between a Mall McDojo and six step program you'd see on an infomercial. Thankfully never got all that far.
>>534023879Wasn't that a thing in Online's backstory, with Satan selling some martial arts program tapes that people got mad at him over when it didn't work?
>>534024210Not only it didn't work but it was fake bullshit make using special effects.
Pan salvaged the system by revamping it into the Pan Fighting Network, a cross between a Dojo and a peer to peer fighting game (you connect and basically have a virtual battle with someone from the network, you actually fight with your body and martial art tho, just in virtual form, like digital image training).
>>534023879>one of them started plotting out a whole damn training course for powerups to gain and people to learn from, like it was something halfway between a Mall McDojo and six step program you'd see on an infomercial.It's really annoying when people forget the actual work it take to get stronger, learn or develop a new move and all that stuff in DB.
They think it's as easy as just deciding to do it.
>>534023879>like it was something halfway between a Mall McDojo and six step program you'd see on an infomercial."Hello! Maple Mahogany here with Raioken! This martial arts technique makes you as fast as lightning, guaranteed! All you do is wear this sacred crown, concentrate, and DODGE! But I'm not done yet! Call right now, and I'll Equivalent Exchange a Kamehameha!"
>>534024643Bulma helped set up that peer to peer fighting thing too. It's kinda like how the Dragon Ball Heroes arcade machines worked in Victory Mission if I remember correctly.
>>534024847Babidi could have legit just opened a business like that when you think about it.
Which is exactly what the couple selling Third Eyes did.
>>534024932Pretty much, I always assumed the idea for the Heroes Arcade came from the Pan Fighting Network.
>>534024643Oh yeah, I remember that now. Honestly not a bad idea, but funny how it makes Pan basically the most important martial artist on the planet.
>>534025081I mean it make sense, Gohan revolutionized the world with his book on a theoretical level and then Pan solidified that revolution in practice, making it a part of actual day to day life, Shaolin Soccer style.
Which make even more sense given that she's basically Girl Goku so actually making getting good fights easier is a perfect role for her.
>>534024951Neva too could probably do that kind of shit.
I hope devs use Neva as a blueprint for Dragon Clan / Mage Type Nameks going forward.
>>534024761There's probably a lingering preconception of things being "easy" to learn from the whole thing about Videl learning to access her Ki with Gohan, frequently ignoring how she's already atypically strong and well trained for a "baseline" human or whatever you want to classify it as.
>>534024847KEK
>>534024951Still love that joke. More Third Eyes being something that could be found between the medibugs and truckstop dickpills at that one specific store is such a classic Toriyama bit.
Never owned a 3DS so I don't know how streetpass works, but if I buy 2 cheap 3DSs would that allow me to still to free fusion? Or is the service dead?
>>534025506It's also funny how it make a silly amount of sense because you see something basically saying it's gonna make you exponentially stronger the longer you wear and basically cancel any damage you take? At an actually pretty reasonable price for something randomly found in a neighborhood candy shop? Of course you're gonna assume it's some kind of joke item or scam and of course the one dude who did buy it and use it to become the King is never gonna tell anyone it really does work or where he got it from.
>>534024761>It's really annoying when people forget the actual work it take to get stronger, learn or develop a new move and all that stuff in DB.It doesn't help that DB only really shows prodigies. Goku learned Kamehameha after seeing it once and improved it on offscreen, Yamcha learned it offscreen, Krillin learned it because Yamcha did, any technique the other characters copied or learned was done offscreen too... We only have lines indicating some technique wasn't easy to learn but that doesn't always happen (IIRC Goku mentions IT was difficult to learn, but I'm not sure there's anything else).
>>534024951>Babidi could have legit just opened a business like that when you think about it.I'm surprised DB never did an infomercial like that now that I think of it... Well, aside from the DBO Satan one, but I don't think we get to see it.
>Which is exactly what the couple selling Third Eyes did.It's nuts a shop in the middle of nowhere had so many good items, even aside from Third Eye. Given that Glorio afforded a bunch, they might not even be that expensive too...
>>534025235>Which make even more sense given that she's basically Girl Goku so actually making getting good fights easier is a perfect role for her.I'd say her being more of a teacher differs her quite a bit from Goku. Goku only ever taught Gohan in a time of need, but otherwise he trains on his own. Pan going out of her way to teach other people (Even if to fix Satan's screwup) shows a different kind of talent and personality from Goku's.
>>534025709>and of course the one dude who did buy it and use it to become the King is never gonna tell anyone it really does work or where he got it from.I'm not sure Abura got it from the shop, otherwise why wouldn't he get the other two? Though maybe Toriyama didn't think that hard about this detail and just wanted Daima to end with an unpredictable punchline.
>>534025506>frequently ignoring how she's already atypically strong and well trained for a "baseline" human or whatever you want to classify it as.Girl was already known to take down entire groups of armed criminals in broad daylight with just her fist in a head-on fight, she was basically a stronger, faster mix of Batman and Daredevil already who'd been practicing martial arts since birth (and while Satan is a joke and probably didn't have a complete training, he WAS from a legit dojo with a legit master that Tao Pai Pai killed so the basics he imparted on her are legit).
So of course she learned a pure ki and knowledge based move rather easily while coached by literally the strongest guy in the universe at the time.
Good luck doing the same with Yamcha's Neo Wolf Fang Fist, that he spent 3 years in a forest nonstop to develop, while on your own.
>>534024932>>534025075Oh shit that actually makes a lot of sense. Never really thought about that before.
>>534025235Honestly even if it's in service to making an MMO world set in Dragon Ball, a lot of the backstory to Online still feels very fitting for how Dragon Ball.
>>534025945>It doesn't help that DB only really shows prodigies.Sure but even those prodigies took years to learn a bunch of stuff, like Goku took around 6 months to learn the Kaioken (and like an additional bunch of months to actually master it), Yamcha took 3 years to improve his Fufuken, Piccolo took 4 years to make teh Makankosappo, Krillin took at least a year to make the Kienzan etc.
https://youtu.be/9IuREWqhaLc?t=216
You don't get moments like this with any other raider.
>you play with buu's feelings!
>>534025945>I'm not sure Abura got it from the shop,I was talking about the Good Demon King. I assume it came from him and he had a funny goofy reaction when he realized it really worked after buying it on a whim and decided to pretend he made it when an underling asked.
>It's nuts a shop in the middle of nowhere had so many good items, even aside from Third Eye. Given that Glorio afforded a bunch, they might not even be that expensive too...I think it's pretty much the joke, since the Demon Realm is based on old school JRPGs, you always have those shops toward the end of the game in the middle of nowhere that have all the strongest OP items in the game and often even weapons stronger than the legendary shit you got in the mid-game by completing quests.
It also fit with one of Toriyama's mindset, being that there could really be Old Qigong Masters just chilling on a mountain somewhere not even trying to hide and nobody would even know because people just aren't curious enough to pay attention and notice while also having a tendency to just dismiss anything that doesn't fit their narrow view of life / Anything outside their everyday reality.
>>534025945>>534025975>>534026115Honestly something like Xenoverse probably doesn't help either. You pick up skills and grow in power at a frankly absurd rate in the games. Even XV1 has you go from "struggling against Raditz" to "beating the shit out of Gold Frieza" over the course of the game. The CaC being able to get so strong so quickly might have a bit of an effect on certain people with an already loose idea on progression in the series.
>>534026003>a lot of the backstory to Online still feels very fitting for how Dragon Ball.A lot of it came from Toriyama apparently.
>>534026246>Care enough to give super saiyan styles for all forms except for BeastI don't understand why they singled that out, it's clearly a super saiyan form, it's not like it's any different from LSS and SSR just because it doesn't have Super Saiyan in the name.
>>534026471That's something I always disliked with Xenoverse, how you just drop moves like loot at the end of a RPG battle and then just equip them into a mish-mash of other characters's move sets.
Xenoverse 2 made it a bit better with the mentors but they quickly dropped the concept, that was already barebone, and just went back to looting random moves off PQs.
Would have been infinitely better to have a skill tree / fighting style system alongside moves learned by progressing the plot or as actual plot points during real side quests.
Which again XV2 kinda dipped their toes into with the whole Time Distorsion questlines where you unlock your race's awakening but again dropped quickly and it was really shallow.
>>534026246>Care enough to give super saiyan styles for all forms except for BeastI don't understand why they singled that out, it's clearly a super saiyan form, it's not like it's any different from LSS and SSR just because it doesn't have Super Saiyan in the name.
I miss heroes you know those avatars would have Beast and Daima super saiyan 4 by now
>>534026115The only one of those we somewhat see the character learning is Goku and the Kaioken, and even then, six months is not that long to learn it. Yamcha, Krillin and Piccolo, I don't know about Yamcha, but the other two didn't mention how long they needed to create a new technique. It could've been years, months, or even weeks...
>>534026405>It also fit with one of Toriyama's mindset, being that there could really be Old Qigong Masters just chilling on a mountain somewhere not even trying to hide and nobody would even know because people just aren't curious enough to pay attention and notice while also having a tendency to just dismiss anything that doesn't fit their narrow view of life / Anything outside their everyday reality.While not a master, that was basically Yajirobe. This guy who's stronger than Tien was just getting fat in some forest... Even Roshi also fits this since he lives in a small island by himself, and was one of the strongest characters in the world.
>>534026532>A lot of it came from Toriyama apparently.I've heard the Korean version reads like it was translated from Japanese, so that fits...
>>534026873>six months is not that long to learn itIt's a lot when you remember Goku can normally learn technique instantly by seeing them once, including a move that took 50 years to make.
What take Goku 6 months to learn would take anyone else a lifetime to learn.
>you will never get martial arts lessons from Pan
>you will never get to see her skin with a light sprinkle of sweat on it while she makes you practice your forms with her
>you will never get pinned down by her and feel her body pressed against yours
Bros...
>>534027107Why even live? Also XV3 better add romances.
A reminder that the Pan that started up the Fighting Network was like, in her mid teens.
>>534027156>Also XV3 better add romances.Will we get to kiss Goku?
>>534027397Why do we not have Xenoverse 3 yet then?!
>>534026642>>534026742We have Gohan Blanco in Breakers
>>534026895I'm sure the guy is really upset, but it happens to us all.
>>534027286so cute I could die
Can someone tell dimps that adding more hairstyles will sell more xenoverse 2 content? They can't be that hard to make can they? it's been a decade, I'm tired of looking at the same 20 hairstyles even in breakers where the hair actually moves a little bit
females especially need longer hair because the yamcha haircut is really popular on them, how about something like Chi-Chi's ponytail from here fighting days or Android 21's?
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>>534025626Pretty sure that works
>>534029778It's really strange they've never done that
The engine perfectly supports it too
Even Elden Ring got hairstyles added to it post release, you know, the game where a lot of people are going to be wearing helmets
Cell Re-Rework:
Level 1: Imperfect Cell (no more larva form)
Level 2: Semi-perfect Cell
During Levels 1 and 2, Androids 17 and 18 roam the map, they're hostile to both Survivors and Cell. Cell must defeat them to evolve.
Level 3: Perfect Cell
Level 4: Super Perfect Cell with Cell Juniors
SSJ2 Teen Gohan super transphere appears
>>534037031Pretty interesting.
>>534005996Not bad. It's basic but solid.
>>534025975In Dragon Ball, inventing something is way harder than copying someone. This is proven time and time again.
>>534025945Tenshinhan copies the Kamehameha just to spit on how piss easy it is to preform. Buu can copy from just a glance but he's magic or whatever.
>>534026873Kaioken is learned 100% off panel. The spirit bomb is on panel.
>>534039994>chest on PanFake and Gay.
>>534027286Fucking ugly DYKE
>>534039994Awaken my masters?
>>534029778I played Xenoverse for a bit and the long Yamcha hair just speaks to you when making a female saiyan. It was very limiting. When I get my pc back I'll have to mod the game or somethin
Since tuffle quest gets talked about a lot in here, does anyone still follow Saiyan Conquerer quest? I dropped it years ago because the crossover elements got a bit too heavy but its interesting to see that its still going
>what a beautiful duwang
i started kakumei cause you fags posted about it and i liked the art, i also don't like its edginess but again i like the art so i'm going with it but man somehow the writing is even worse than what little i know of multiverse. Is it a translation issue, given they're both french (afaik)?
A while back someone uploaded a sketch for an alt design of an older pan. I rendered it because I really liked the hairstyle.
>>534048956>PerflatBased.
>>534048956That's just Gine's hairstyle when it should be Chichi's
>>534056796Counterpoind: Videl and Gohan both had spikey hair
>>534057235Videl's was originally laid down though before cutting it
>>534037031>no more larva form>not even a self-destruct before SP formsoulless
>>534037031>SSJ2 Teen Gohan super transphere appearsYeah just what we need more Oolongs rushing to throw the match
>>534037031>During Levels 1 and 2, Androids 17 and 18 roam the map, they're hostile to both Survivors and Cell. Cell must defeat them to evolve.>Androids are fighting Cell>Survivors jump in to try and save them>Androids just end up attacking the Survivors trying to help them and they get absorbed anywayI mean, it's a cool idea in CONCEPT but execution is another matter.
>>533892804I dug a bit more into this. The "below a certain amount" is actually just 50%; You can get from zero to 50% fifty-percent faster. Under best case scenario, being within 100m of the Raider for 45seconds, you'll get from 0% to 50% in 45seconds. After that, it'll take 1minute 30seconds to get from 50% to 100%
>>534057872>>534059051It's up to the devs to iron out the details.
>>534058585Oolongs hide on the outskirts of the map waiting to SOS the ETM.
>>534059051>>534059937me. I was just thinking a little bit more. Maybe 17 and 18 will prioritize fighting Cell if both Cell and Survivors are in proximity. Add a grace period as well so if Cell decides to use Area Destruction then 17/18 won't immediately turn on the Survivors. I think the idea of 17 and 18 being dangerous to everybody really spices things up.
I ship Miniku with Panzy...
>>534061363goku deserves better than Chi chi
>>534061453I will gladly take Chi-Chi off his hands
>>534061363Goten and Panzy
>>534061938I don't really care about Goten...
>>534048775>somehow the writing is even worse than what little i know of multiverseExplain. Because it's a TALL order
>Everyone wants Goten to pick up training again. But sorry, I'm not 13 anymore and the DBZ that was about training is long gone for me. I'm trying to stay faithful to the DB spirit but I also remember Goten, Gohan and others never really cared for training and I wont use any excuse to get them to care for it.
>Besides, "training" to solve a problem, that's what 20 year old shonen do, and I'm trying to go further than this
This explains a lot.
>>534068679>Besides, "training" to solve a problem, that's what 20 year old shonen do, and I'm trying to go further than thisi bet salad gear thinks JJK is the pinacle of writing
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Salad Gear:
>Just imagine.
>Toriyama stops DB after Cell. The end.
>Then a year later, a fan write saga Buu.
>Saiyaman, candies, dance fusion...
>You'll all kill him
>And fanbase all be like: "Meh, SSJ3? COME ON! You're streching it so much! Liek, even longer hair? You SUCK! Why the fuck thepiccolo eyebrow? "
And yet... The Buu arc got pretty solid reception during its run, didn't it? Or am I wrong there?
>>534068679This angers me more than it should. Assuming it's real.
>>534069543>Salad Gear:>>Just imagine.>>Toriyama stops DB after Cell. The end.>>Then a year later, a fan write saga Buu.>>Saiyaman, candies, dance fusion...>>You'll all kill him>>And fanbase all be like: "Meh, SSJ3? COME ON! You're streching it so much! Liek, even longer hair? You SUCK! Why the fuck thepiccolo eyebrow? "Ok unironically I 100% believe this to be the case. Imagine if you wrote a fanfic in a world where the 23rd trenkaichi budokai was where the series ended. Revealing Goku is an alien would get you made fun of.
Same shit with the androids.
Same shit with the Buu arc. It literally starts off with a SoL highs chool arc (for 6 chapters before it gets dropped). SS3 reads like a fanfic. If Toriyama didn't write it it'd be torn to hell.
SHITlagir is still retarded for different reasons tho. My fav is the rusty androids thing.
>>534068679When was this? Send a link or screenshot.
>>534046665I didn't even know that was still going.
>>534048956Very cute!
>>534069953if the manga ended at Frieza people would SEETHE at a fanfic where some teenagers are suddenly stronger than Goku, even more Vegeta going SS since the manga at the time implied Goku IS the legend the one every 1000 years, people would mock the android saga if it was written the same but as a fanfic
>>534069778It is. Straight out of the Discord.
Have some more
>Most DBM specials are "a context" then "a fight". Doing both in a short number of pages is very hard (also why several times it's 2 chapters). Personnaly, i've read enough shonens and don't care about the fight (yes... me a DBZ writter) so i make the fight short. And sometimes i let the cartoonist decide the fight, in which case it's 3 times longer ;p>What we can call the "DB part" and "DBZ part" are 2 different stories and tones and everything. We can even make the cut at the moment Taopaipai arrives.>IMO, (i've wrote this several times), vegeta becomes "good" and turns away from hell destiny ONLY when he monologs while Goku SSJ3 fights "little/original" Buu. He finaly says Goku is number 1. He turns from hartred against his enemy kakarott , to respect toward his rival Goku. (for this reason, in dbm i make vegeta use the name goku instead of kakarot). From that moment, Vegeta learns he fights against himself, not others. He won't be corrupted anymore. He won't help Cell become perfect anymore. He won't commit bad acts for bad reasons anymore. He conquered himself, which is very important in japanese philosophy. After this Porunga don't consider him a "bad person".
>>534061363Based and canon.
>>534068679'Going beyond it' is a bold way to say 'Make up a bunch of garbage and technicality borefest where you have no clue how strong is anyone and what they can do or not'.
>>534069543Everything Dragon Ball got a great reception during it's run.
>>534069953What a handful of retards online would complain about don't make salagir less retarded.
>>534069953>>534070236Obviously fanfiction writers don't get the same amount of leeway as the original author when trying to push for new interpretations and ideas. But even then, if the "fanfic writer" was drawing on the same level as Toriyama, he'd get praised eventually.
Kakumei is a good example of that. It's clearly not Dragon Ball, but it's well drawn and has some interesting ideas so it gets some praise. Meanwhile DBM art just kinda sucks.
>>534070236Fuck off, salagir.
>>534070270>>Most DBM specials are "a context" then "a fight".Except said 'context' is separated by months from the fight so it's retarded.
>>534070542>A fan write a mix of OG DB magic and DBZThe fans would literally suck that guy's dick nonstop for the next 20 years, just like they did to the DB AF guys, he's just coping because people shit all over his trash.
>>534070270>i've read enough shonens and don't care about the fight (yes... me a DBZ writter) so i make the fight shortwhat is his problem? The fights are the entire point
>>534070270>He's genuinely too retarded to understand the term 'Final Atonement'My fucking god.
>>534070827He thinks he's too smart for that I guess. Classic case of 'I like it for DEEPER reasons than you'.
>>534070827He thinks he's writing the new Gunnm / Battle Angel Alita.
If you read it you'd see where a lot of his flaws as a writer come.
>power wanking (the SF one, not the martial arts "wow he's so strong!" one)>Bra lite MC (except good)>SFHe tried to translate all of this into Dragon Ball because it had the Freeza arc for aliens and some tech with Gero, but it obviously failed.
>>534070827the point is he doesn't LIKE dragon ball, he only writes fanfic for it because its popular and its the only way for him to get ANY audience
>>534070542>buu saga written by salad gear >Gohan is ruthless >Babidi is Scientist instead cuz OH MY SCIENCE>Goku is the reason Majin bu Hatches because FUCK YOU GOKU he just WANTS A LAST FIGHT WITH vegeta cuz thats what he is >Fusion happens but its Goku's side the reason they job
>>534070236100%. Everything from Future Trunks appearing and one shotting Freeza to everyone getting Super Saiyan off panel would cause people everywhere to trash your fanfic.
>>534070785>just like they did to the DB AF guysthat's a good point actually, people love AF despite it going full "okay here's super saiyan 7, it's EVIL super saiyan 3"
>>534071102Battle Angel Alita and Gunm had focus on their fights when they actually happened tho, they didn't get them out of the way like he's saying.
>>534069543only retards have this kind of reasoning, and it's always how every shitpost about anything is structured:
><thing> is stupid cause it has x, y and z!! it's bad and i hate it!!!><thing> is cool cause it has x, y and z!! it's good and i love it!!!!the point is the how, not the what and not even the why. It's how the whole fantasy, scifi and whatever else came to be: people, creatures and events clearly out of this world but they make us go "that's cool". Just think about any media that fits this bill that's also bad, it's always bad cause the how being mismanaged brings down even the coolest what and why. It's like telling a joke, it's how you say it that actually makes it funny, that carries most of the punch
>>534071652They did because it was a manga and had an actual professional mangaka at the helm
Meanwhile Salagir is "a writer" with none of that sense and he's hiring mediocre artists
>Kakumei is a good example of that. It's clearly not Dragon Ball, but it's well drawn and has some interesting ideas so it gets some praise
I guess presentation is really important
>>534071884then we have One with one punch man, you need a good writer or a good artist to make a manga/comic and keep it off ground, Salad gear is neither
>>534071884Dragon Ball was literally 80% presentation.
Presentation is what gave everything gravitas, weight, tension, power... Scenes like Gohan reflecting the Genkidama at Vegeta or Goku sacrificing himself to the Makankosappo live rent free in my head because of the top notch presentation.
>>534071807So presentation and cool factor > logic? Got it
Fanmangawriterinthemakingbro btw
>>534072082The cover page I just posted isn't even a "main" page but it has so many things going for it. Just one glance and you can see all of the gears falling together, the personality of each character, the dramatic buildup. It has a sense of "narrative flow" I guess.
Toriyama is so talented matching him is an unreasonable ambition
>>534072610Matching him is out of the question but I think you should still strive to follow the core ideas behind his art direction
>>534072091it's all relative of course, but generally ye. The point is that you want to tell a story about something that sounds retarded but then presentation makes it interesting and captivating. Think of any pop culture thing, even DB itself: None of it makes actual sense in our actual pov, we just take some things for granted and then there's suspension of disbelief, and then comes in presentation making you accept the boy with a tail than then becomes a giant ape and then his hair spike up and change color (or hell, even that Goku's hair are like they are in the first place). That's also why some people just never like some movies or comics or whatever else, they just can't accept whatever nonsensical thing serves as the basis of the thing and in turn can never like it.
That said it's a balance, even the coolest looking/written thing will be a hard sell if it's about idk people preparing to fight and then aggressively shitting their pants for 20 pages
>>534048775>Is it a translation issue, given they're both french (afaik)?Translation issue only explains bad dialogue, but not entire plot points...
>>534068679>Besides, "training" to solve a problem, that's what 20 year old shonen do, and I'm trying to go further than thisSalagir's definition of "going further than this"
>Asspull new techniques>Be born stronger lmao>Gains from offscreen trainingVery creative Salagir.
>>534070236Trunks being the second super saiyan, one shotting Freeza, and revealing his parents are Vegeta and Bulma is the most fanfiction moment in all of DB ngl.
>>534072610There's the saying "Don't be the next X, be the next you" for a reason. Toriyama has a lot of things he's great at (Paneling, subtle themes, improvising, catharsis, brief interactions that establish dynamics), and some things he struggles with (Obvious retcons, barebones romance, talking so much about martial arts but most times what wins is being stronger than your enemies). It's just not possible to emulate him, and even Toriyama himself struggled to re-do some of those same things years later. The best way to go is to make your own take, while trying to understand DB (And for that you'd need to understand Wuxia too), otherwise it's going to be a disaster.
>>534072018And in OPM's case, good art can only go so far. Few people care about the manga nowadays because Murata is a hack, it's all flash, no substance.
>>534046665I remember at least one anon talking about it alongside the Tuffle one. Still personally not sure what all the crossovers are even there for, it sounds like a kitchen sink of a setting with Dragon Ball stretched over it (Halo, Isekai Quartet, Star Wars, Jojo? A bit much). I guess I can't complain too harshly over such a thing if it's done in a "smash action figures together" kind of way, still not really a thing for me though. Does at least sound more "genuine" than Salad Gear's nonsense, not trying to make it grander that it actually is.
>>534072082>Dragon Ball was literally 80% presentation.All of fiction is presentation, it's all about how you convey the idea, events and concepts.
>>534072091You need logic to present something well, it's a whole.
>>534075887I never cared about OPM, the joke got stale quickly for me and the entire 'OMG it owns those dumb shonens so bad!' fanbase soured me on it. It's like Death Note, the 'I outsmarted your outsmarting' alongside the 'Take that, dumb animes!' fanbase was unbearable.
>>534074958>Very creative Salagir.Don't forget 'Lol, just loophole abuse'.
>>534077932>Don't forget 'Lol, just loophole abuse'.Salagir must be in love with Jujutsu Kaisen...
There's magic being stronger than everything too.
>>534061363You still do? Oh anon, I thought you would have learned.
>>534078769That's not me but I'm with him, I'll never give up!
>>534079216You will only continue to humiliate yourself. But if that is what you want, very well. Struggle. Struggle and remember your overconfidence, what it led to.
Hyper DBZ added Arcade endings if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8qlIduQaaE
I think it's quite telling Kakumei had Goku be kidnapped and literally chained down for almost the entire story and nobody complained, unlike DBM's treatment of Goku.
>>534080907it at least shows they respect his strength enough that he has to be locked away and prevented from doing anything as he'd be a thorn in their side if he was free
meanwhile DBM'll have him get one shot in his final match and its fanbase will just go "well yeah of course he'd lose, how could he ever win against the cool epic OC?"
>>534077535Some fiction relies more or less on that, Dragon Ball absolutely requires Toriyama at the helm to be good
>>534080907Even that has people complaining, but what mitigates this are characters thinking this is a massive problem, and they're shown to miss him.
In DBM, Goku is around, but ignored. During the buildup for the final matches, Bra thinks he'll outright lose, and so does Elder Supreme Kai. Fact the tournament's finals humiliated Goku to wank Salagir's "smarter than you!" OC only proved them right.
>>534079810I didn't know Babidi was a playable character...
>Super Buu doesn't wish for anything but turns Shenron into candyKek.
>>534080907If you complain about that you might as well complain about every single DBZ arc where the same shit happens.
>>534084967>>534085227The Goku Black one is pretty funny too.
>>534085323Black pulls a Piccolo Daimao and kils Shenron too.
>>534079810The vegito one was hilarious
>>534082146>and its fanbase will just go "well yeah of course he'd lose, how could he ever win against the cool epic OC?"That's the worst part. How do you fuck up so much that the readers have no expectation of fucking GOKU of all people?
>>534086940They ban anyone who thinks otherwise on the spot leaving a circlejerk full of yesmen. Anyways
DB Heroes females
Chronoa
Aeos
Towa
Putine
Robelu
Kamin
Lagss
Vidro
Note
Forte
Viola
Akina
Saria
Wairu
Aurora
Nico
Leggings
Is this all of them? There are a lot.
>>534086527cute videl, i hope they make her a full character in the future
>>534086940>How do you fuck up so much that the readers have no expectation of fucking GOKU of all people?DBM's fanbase prides itself in its writing being more "realistic", so Goku wouldn't win in a "real" fight.
>>534087082Goku is cuter here
>>534087220Which is doubly retarded because if you actually look at all the shit Goku has done 'realistically', he should have just insta-copied the time stop and hit the OC back with it.
The only reason Goku hasn't been copying every single bad guy's kit is because it would make for a shit plot but 'realistically', that's something he has in his backpocket.
>>534087082>>534087357They should make a baby, it would be the cutest that way.
>>534087065You forgot Shun Shun and Haru Haru, but I can't blame you for that because DBH forgot about them too...
The only thing that'd justify how long they're taking with this Sparking Zero DLC is if we're getting some new maps and a story.
>>534088671I wonder how well the models and the attacks will look. I was pleasantly surprised with Panzy's and SS Mini Goku was alright.
I'm more scared they'll muck up Ultra Vegeta's ultimate and both 4ku's ultimate and his transformation.
>>534087447>The only reason Goku hasn't been copying every single bad guy's kit is because it would make for a shit plotAnd Goku can't have nice things. Vegeta copied Instant Transmission and Vegetto's ki sword, and Uub copied Bra's clone. During Gast's fight with XXI, he tries to teleport when surrounded by XXI's farts, but (for some reason) it doesn't work, but he copied Instant Transmission too. So every other talented fighter gets to copy a technique, but not Goku, the guy who copied techniques more than anyone else...
>but 'realistically', that's something he has in his backpocket.It's obvious DBM is only "realistic" if it favors Salagir's pets. XXI vs Gast could have ended as fast as Goku vs XXI, but Gast is one of Salagir's pets so XXI doesn't fight "realistically" for the fight to last longer.
>>534089169>and his transformation.for the transformation literally all they have to do is start at pic related, have Goku take his shirt off and then copy from there.
If you ask me though, I think the intro animation should start at the "one more bonus" part and then they'd provide a sped up version. Although that would mean they'd either have to cut all the intro dialogue for him out or make the entire thing much longer.
>>534089624Whoops forgot my gif
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>hide my balls out of sight while i go steal frieza's
>see this
last time i'm ever pinging them, these greedy little sluts can't stay away from them
>>534079810Goku Black saying "Ally to good, nightmare to you" in this game is just perfect.
Even if it's just a trace, it still took me several hours to work on this piece...
I couldn't figure out who to replace Tien when so I went with Jiren as a joke...
>>534094086Nice job regardless
>>534078769>>534079798to be honest, I need more Goku Black reaction images to edit them..
It's crazy how it's always Krillin who comes up with the most broken moves. There's the Kiezan and it's multiple variants, which is a one hit kill against any peer and the Taiyoken times 100, which is basically a flawless instant stun with no counter.
>>534085323The fact Super Buu turned into Fat Buu from eating him too.
>>534094978do this with goku black
>>534097014Is there someone out there obsessively making commissions of this Cooler absorbed 21?
I wonder what Aeos-senpai is up to these days
You know if they're going to put the game on dormancy, they could at least work on matchmaking so that it actually, you know, works instead of failing to connect with room members constantly.
>Tuffle Quest
>That calms you down a little. "What EXACTLY is this stupid plan of yours? And how did they make things like you in the first place?"
>With... an odd sort of pride, the creature starts off, "We are an improvement on the formula responsible for the creation of creatures known as 'Saibamen.' Evolved, with better reflexes, higher intelligence, and greater fighting capacity. The downside to our creation is that we require... time, to fully mature. Dr. Kochin has 1800 of us at various stages of development." You relax your telekinesis juuust a bit, but stay on guard. "...the plan is to turn Dr. Wheelo into the Perfect Lifeform. Perfect in body and mind, with the will of Wheelo guiding it. Dr. Gero has been a great help to us, though he has his own plans. And Dr. Towa... I guess you could say she is most responsible for beings like myself."
On today's episode of Tuffle Quest pulling an "Oh! Of course!"... Wheelo would want to have his brain put in a Cell-like body... It's good it has so many moments like this, it means there is a point for those villains to be recruited besides "We need powerful grunts".
>>534101879this image would work better to make Eleven (DQXI) Hero edit... and I'm tempted to do it, but I've started to sketching something else...
unrelated to /dbg/ or /dqg/, a skech of Syura from 100% OJ
>>534109535Wheelo seemed to be a purely mechanical type of guy and Cell wasn't even a concept back then tho.
Cell isn't even a real Gero work since it's his computer who did most of the work autonomously.
>>534110229Didn't he want to pit his brain in the body of the World's Strongest?
after being a consoletard xv2 player for years seeing some of the mods posted in the threads (shit like the better transformation hairs and more stages for transforming) recently has got me wanting to get the pc version but thinking of re-grinding all the characters and PQs and everything else again has me hesitating
>>534111130You can cheat engine that shit and there's hack tools
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>>534110229>Wheelo seemed to be a purely mechanical type of guyHe wanted to put his brain in Goku's body, this despite his robot body already being much stronger than Goku's. Originally his plan was for his brain to be put in Roshi's body, who's probably more than 100x weaker than his robot body. It's not explained why, but Wheel does prefer having a biological body.
>Cell wasn't even a concept back then tho.It's why I said "Cell-like", it's too early for Cell as a concept to exist, and he still would take years to develop even if it did, but Wheelo is trying to make a body that is "Perfect in mind and body", which does call attention to Cell, and they're trying to kidnap the strongest fighters and smartest scientists, so Wheelo, with Gero's and Towa's help, isn't just creating a Cell, but is trying something.
>Cell isn't even a real Gero work since it's his computer who did most of the work autonomously.Gero is still the one who came up with the concept for the computer to work with, he only stopped because Cell just would take years to grow.
>>534110820>>534111960That's kinda the point, he need someone's body, the fact he can't just grow his own and his mechanical body was so strong (and his assistant being fully mechanical) seem to show he was a robot dude rather than a biological dude like Gero.
>>534112205Weren't the not-Saibamen biomechanical?
>>534112708I assumed they were robots too, is it ever said one way or another?
>>534113017I checked it, they are literally called "Biomen"
That doesn't sound like pure machines to me
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>>534112205Sure his expertise is mechanical, but this time he's working with Gero and Towa, so it's not a stretch he would, with their help, create something biological to put his brain in.
>>534112708>>534113017>>534113285The movie doesn't show it, but in the Japanese dub they have a stoic tone of voice with a filter that is typically used on robots. Their eyes and mouth look mechanical too. So despite the name, they might be mechanical. Or they have mechanical parts.
>>534113997I guess they're cyborgs then?
>>534113997Make sense if he's working with Gero then, that's actually what I was worried about since making Wheelo also deal in the biological would kinda step on Gero's toes. If they're teaming up, it actually make perfect sense.
>>534115581Okay yeah this one looks like she's chewed rug
>>534046665>>534070143>>534076878It's still chugging along as it has for a while, crossover shenanigans and all. It's in its ToP arc now actually, after having gotten done with a big mess of a Baby and Zamasu teamup arc.
>>534068679>i'm trying to go further than not only the very conventions of the genre i'm writing for but the very foundation of the work i'm writing fanfiction of>i'm very cleverhe needs to kill himself nobody ever accomplished anything important in dragonball without training, without pouring their heart and soul into it
>>534115581This one looks less like a dyke and more like a bitch who needs a good beating and a good home
>>534116979>nobody ever accomplished anything important in dragonball without training,Technically, Freeza blew up Planet Vegeta and that was important.
Also it's even more insulting when you realize what he means by 'further'.
>>534117317Seriously, what does he even mean by 'further'? Training isn't something you can go 'further' than, either it's a part of the story or it isn't.
So he just removed a part of DB as far as I can see.
modern Dragon Ball is lacking physical damage.
>>534117860Yeah, the fact they never get beyond the 'slightly scratched up with some dirt marks' look is probably we get hit with 'Oh no, I ran out of stamina, I'm KO now!' so much since they really can't show accumulated damage properly.
>>534118163Huh which one?
>>534117178she needs a good tender hug and kiss from a man
>>534118395Monkey tail
Every single one
>>534118838That man being Goku
>>534117860Needs more ryona
>>534117465He means his writing goes BEYOND old, outdated and primitive shonen writing. He thinks he's a master storyteller for turning Dragon Ball into a DND campaign.
>>534119174Every tail
Even the front tails
>>534113997In some shots of the movie, and pic related, their hands and feet look mechanical. This on top of the eyes and their voices, does mean they're at least cyborgs.
I compared their voices to 19, and while 19 doesn't have a filter that is used on robots, he does speak in a stoic tone too.
>>534114731Yeah. Doing that would make him a Gero ripoff, and if anything Gero is ripping him off... Tuffle Quest likes to connect concepts and characters and develop the story because of them. Towa is slightly dumbed down and needs help to create Mira, so it's not far fetched for her to get Gero's help for it. Wheelo is part of their team too, and World's Strongest is happening before even the 23rd tournament, but now instead of putting his brain in a body, he's kidnapping people to create a body that is the "perfect" warrior in mind and body. This not only makes an organic change of plans for Wheelo's objectives, it also paves the way for a different Cell.
>>534117465>Seriously, what does he even mean by 'further'? Training isn't something you can go 'further' than, either it's a part of the story or it isn't.What Salagir means by going further is "Have godlike magic to asspull what you need"
>>534117317>technically, an evil villain cheated his way to cheap power and used it to bring about mass amounts of sufferingHow deep into midwittery is he that he wouldn't be able to see this because I doubt anyone here is in that sweetspot of retardation.
>>534120657To be fair, you need a really high IQ to understand DBM...
>>534118838Nah women dont respond to that pussy shit. Especially not Saiyan women. Saiyans respect strength and courage above all else. This post says it best
>>534119064>>534117860Does this girl have a name? You keep posting AI slop of her. Her hair makes me think of Bardock x Celipa.
>>534116769My main problem with saiyan conquerer is the treatment of the time patrol. SC does the classic fanfic thing of "actually the good guys are the bad guys and the bad guys are the good guys" Chronoa was actually evil the entire time and trunks is just stupid dumb and incompetent whereas towa (and literally fucking mechikaboola) are good actually. The saiyans and their best friends literally frieza and cooler are made morally superior to the time patrol, it's insane
>>534122463also Yoda teaches the main character how to use the force after genociding the wookies on kashyyk because planetary kamis have to be impartial or something idk
>>534122463>SC does the classic fanfic thing of "actually the good guys are the bad guys and the bad guys are the good guys"I didn't know fanfics did that, saiyans aside (Seen one or two where they're not that bad, but enslaved by Freeza).
>Chronoa was actually evil the entire timeWhy? If you want an evil time god, use Demigra. Even Aeos can be acceptable depending on how you do it.
>trunks is just stupid dumb and incompetentThat's accurate to Xeno Trunks...
>whereas towa (and literally fucking mechikaboola) are good actually.This is a shitpost right?
>The saiyans and their best friends literally frieza and cooler are made morally superior to the time patrol, it's insaneSounds like Time Patrol and Time Breakers switched roles and little else.
>>534122636>also Yoda teaches the main character how to use the force after genociding the wookies on kashyyk because planetary kamis have to be impartial or something idkSo it IS a shitpost...
>>534122921no i'm not shitposting, this is all taken fairly seriously. Chronoa actually imprisoned aeos and took the time nest and is using the time patrol to take over the whole of time or something, it's dumb. Iirc the premise of the quest starts with them chosing towa because the destruction of planet vegeta was caused by towa time breaking, and the time patrol would need to put it back. Instead of making it so that the main character works with the villians, the author bent over backward to make chronoa the villian instead.
I think the real thing that gets me is the Frieza wank, he's straight up the godfather to the MC's children after his paranoia was entirely quelled after he bodied the super saiyan version of the MC and is always stronger than than the MC and always his boss. There's also other weird crossover elements like the MC's son goes to the konosuba world and convinces megumin to give up on explosion magic
>>534123370>the Frieza wank, he's straight up the godfather to the MC's children after his paranoia was entirely quelled after he bodied the super saiyan version of the MC and is always stronger than than the MC and always his bossThat's lame.
>the MC's son goes to the konosuba world and convinces megumin to give up on explosion magicThat's annoyingly lame.
>>534123370>no i'm not shitpostingOh sorry! I meant the quest itself is a shitpost.
>Chronoa actually imprisoned aeos and took the time nest and is using the time patrol to take over the whole of time or something, it's dumb.This is literally Demigra...
>I think the real thing that gets me is the Frieza wank, he's straight up the godfather to the MC's children after his paranoia was entirely quelled after he bodied the super saiyan version of the MC and is always stronger than than the MC and always his boss.That sounds eerily similar to Vegetafagging. How is Vegeta in this?
>There's also other weird crossover elements like the MC's son goes to the konosuba world and convinces megumin to give up on explosion magic>"Megumin, stop being a fun character!"
>>534123963vegeta's basically irrelavent because this quest starts before the destruction of planet vegeta, so people like goku and vegeta are just kids.
Another funny thing I remembered is that all the crossover characters have their powers inflated to be competitive with dragonball characters. This leads to things like Xenomorphs and Sangheli having powerlevels in the tens of hundreds of millions. Which is just really, really funny. I think The Arbiter from halo had a power comparable to final form frieza
looking through the info pastebin I am also reminded that the main character also has a stand
Which DB games are good for OG DB and Z content? I dont like anything after Z
>>534125259>I think The Arbiter from halo had a power comparable to final form friezaI get the idea of inflating powerlevels just so certain crossover characters aren't one-shot but that's just silly.
>>534125259>Another funny thing I remembered is that all the crossover characters have their powers inflated to be competitive with dragonball characters. This leads to things like Xenomorphs and Sangheli having powerlevels in the tens of hundreds of millions. Which is just really, really funny. I think The Arbiter from halo had a power comparable to final form friezaIIRC Halo's Covenant was also said to be a threat to Freeza's army right?
>>534125576>looking through the info pastebin I am also reminded that the main character also has a standI'm more surprised it's just one.
>>534125695I don't think most crossovers simply work with dragonball at all. Like sure I can buy someone like superman tangling with saiyans but making it so sheev or the arbiter tangles with dragonball powerlevels makes things get really silly really fast
Oh yeah, since none of the saiyans in that quest were pure of heart for obvious reasons, they just changed the entire lore of it and made it faith based instead because the quest is weirdly allergic to the idea of there ever being consequences to saiyans commiting genocide
>>534102763>commissionsit is just artists liking to draw her.
>>534126351>the quest is weirdly allergic to the idea of there ever being consequences to saiyans commiting genocideFrom what you said, I expected saiyans to have been good all along and they were secretly conquering only evil planets.
>>534126716nah they genocide a ton of innocent people(like the wookies), but they're weak so no one cares lol
>But what about the monkey attack on the Wookies?
>>534122204saiyan courtship is opposite of human courtship. the females are dominant, and expect the men to be submissive. saiyan females DEPLORE the aggression and dominance of saiyan males, just like human females hate weedy effeminate human males. Which means that human male x saiyan female is the optimum pairing.
So BT3 with mods is still the best DB experience?
>>534129968yep, its kinda sad no one has made a compiled version
>Tuffle Quest
>Maple bitched out Towa by asking if Towa is into her, then says Towa wouldn't make even make it into Maple's own top 10 women
>Towa leaves
>Acer teases Maple over it
>You briefly consider slapping him... but then decide that there's a better way. You give it a moment's thought. "I'll give you a top 10... but only if you give me YOUR top 10 boys. I see the way you look at... Yajirobe." You stick your tongue out.
>Acer gives you an uncomfortable look, but... "...Yamcha probably tops it. He's my best friend, and if I were a girl or I liked guys, I'd probably go for him. Y-you know, if he and Bulma weren't a thing."
>...shit. Though... "I guess I could see that."
>Krillin seems to be laughing in the distance, then gets Lapis and Lazuli to help the Capsule Corp. personnel back to their vehicle, Jaco giving you both a wave as he carries some bits from the Saibaman with him. Acer continues once they're out of earshot. "...Krillin, Tien, Lapis, Goku, Baragon, Chiaotzu, Lapis, uh..." He scratches his head. "...maybe Oolong, and... I guess Jaco. If I had to pick 10." He is... oddly proud he managed to get all that. "Your turn, sis."
>Damn it... "...well, you have good taste, brobro. Chi-chi would probably be my first pick. Both Launches would be high up there, Bulma too. Um... Trip, Tights, m-maybe Chuu Lee, Lazuli, Melee, Miss Mai, and... m-maybe Bulma's mom?"
>"Is that 10 or 11?" Acer responds with a smirk. "Counting both Launches as one?"
>"Point is, Towa's not up there." you say with emphasis.
It took 39 chapters, but Maple and Acer finally had a siblings moment that isn't teasing each other over crushes. Repeatedly...
>>534109535Honestly even if the more notable beats of the Wheelo stuff weren't that much different from the movie, there still felt like just enough to make it interesting. Funnily not only does the stuff hinting at Cell get paid off later on with Gero, it even gets picked up by someone like Baby even later on.
>>534122463Yeah SCQ kinda bends over backward to make things "the fault" of the Time Patrol with its especially weird take on Chronoa that makes notable villains seem "better" by comparison. Not really something I can say I'm a fan of, especially when combined with the usual casual planetary genocide yet with many Saiyans still feeling like they're given the personality and temperament of the Earth-raised ones.
>>534125259Honestly I feel like Tuffle Quest does its "crossover" stuff considerably better than SCQ. More often it's not it's still something primarily "rooted" in Dragon Ball lore and/or "mechanics" or the like. Much like how Arale showed up at the Tournament, or how because Godzilla is in Slump stuff, he'll show up too, and that gets extrapolated into "Godzilla learns the Kamehameha from Roshi". Or when it's not already part of Dragon Ball or associated stuff, Kato will make something a bit more original that's based on another thing and give it a Dragon Ball twist. Like a displaced U3 planet that's heavily inspired by Cybertron but still is clearly something from U3, or a rogue Machine Mutant that takes cues Trazyn the Infinite but with a more "Dragon Ball" feel (his "collection" is predominantly rare, prized fighters, because skilled warriors are valuable). SCQ just kinda shoves whatever it likes in there and doesn't really try to do much to work in the wonky differences in power scale beyond things just being pushed up to Dragon Ball levels.
>>534130089I'm still glad the roll to slap her got a nat 20. Towa had it coming. Still has it coming, honestly.
I really hate these raging blast 2 mods for Sparking Zero. Since FighterZ's release, it seems like Bamco finally realized a more "anime accurate" aesthetic is the way to go for the games, and even if most of them only applied it to their models, it was still better than that plastic soulless shit we had gotten before. If this mod keeps getting pushed it'll give them the wrong idea.
>>534133080I was honestly disappointed the movies events were so similar... I didn't expect Wheelo to be in a proto Cell's body or anything, but for something like it to exist, and be heavily flawed, but we got nothing...
At least, Maple got bad rolls when fighting Piccolo, that does one hell of a job to build him up as a threat, specially compared to King Piccolo who was relatively easy to take down.
>>534133080>I'm still glad the roll to slap her got a nat 20. Towa had it coming. Still has it coming, honestly.I was thinking that slap would only happen at the Z portion, though it makes sense Towa wouldn't block it given how flustered she was. The scene was a little cringe but the slap was cathartic given all she did was so far show up, act smug because her plans are working, and leave... Much like a Greg Weisman villain...
>>534130089>but Maple and Acer finally had a siblings moment that isn't teasing each other over crushesI find more and more often nowadays that people are incapable of depicting relationships that aren't romantic or adversarial in nature, either doing them poorly (the 30 second hollywood back and forth doesn't cut it in written word) or not having them at all.
Are there any out of the ordinary skills you use in Breakers?
>>534136141I usually keep a melee super on my Level 1 transphere because it means I can still melee stun the raider even if I'm underleveled, hopefully buying my team time to hit them with a proper super that will do real damage.
>>534133080>especially when combined with the usual casual planetary genocide yet with many Saiyans still feeling like they're given the personality and temperament of the Earth-raised ones.A lot of people seem to default to other U7 Saiyans either being like Goku or Vegeta because they're the (pureblooded) ones seen the most, so fanfic writers will base whatever traits their OCs have on them. That and many other non-Earth pureblood Saiyans are pretty one-note thugs and villains and few writers can really make that interesting.
>Kato will make something a bit more original that's based on another thing and give it a Dragon Ball twist.Probably the best way to go about that. Doesn't have the messiness of trying to adjust the "power scaling" or whatever or severely bullshit up reasons why they're not one-shot by Yamcha holding back severely.
>a rogue Machine Mutant that takes cues Trazyn the Infinite but with a more "Dragon Ball" feel (his "collection" is predominantly rare, prized fighters, because skilled warriors are valuable).That sounds entertaining.
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>>534135169>I find more and more often nowadays that people are incapable of depicting relationships that aren't romantic or adversarial in nature, either doing them poorly (the 30 second hollywood back and forth doesn't cut it in written word) or not having them at all.Yeah. Sometimes if the relationship is there, it's painfully generic too... I feel this happens because the writers are copying a copy of a copy. Plus having less life experiences to add some more flavor to it.
Stories being written to be long runners affects this too. Writers putting emphasis on pointless lore over character interactions...
Pic related is a cute interaction from OG. Goku and Krillin just casually talking about whether or not Roshi will tech them, showing they got used to each other's presence (Since Krillin used to be annoyed with Goku), and to the training itself.
In Kato's case she does an okay job currently, but for the most part it's nothing memorable. It doesn't help everyone else mostly interacts with Maple but not with each other. It got better after a while, but it still doesn't feel like they're a big group of friends, and are more like acquaintances who just happen to hang out with Maple. Krillin is one of the most screwed over character in that regard when compared to OG, since he almost doesn't interact with Goku, is never in Maple's team whenever there is some adventure, and him surviving King Piccolo's arc was pointless since he wasn't part of the plot anyway. The only thing he has going are tournament matches and training non-androids 17 and 18, and so far they're not doing anything either. Bulma also mostly exists to help build something or minor relationship drama with Yamcha, but lacks her comedic moments, making her come across as a scientist extra with some arrogance.
>>534136639I did that a lot during the past few seasons, another cool thing you can do is extend your Flash of Rage dash by using a dash-super, but I think melee super attacks have fallen off for a bunch of reasons.
-Many Raiders have had their health nerfed and a bunch of beams got small damage buffs, this makes the idea of killing the Raider more viable and appealing.
-They've standardized beam supers so (almost) any two beams will break their stagger gauge. So you can still knock them off of the STM even if you're a lower level.
-Rebellion Spear got nerfed, it may be a superfluous nerf, but just reading that it was nerfed was enough to make me try new things and I've been really happy with running only beams as of late.
Bamco's earnings. It seems like all these years of Shueisha and Toei sabotaging Dragon Ball for One Piece finally paid off for them.
>>534138674>still outpaces One Piece overallGood job dumbasses
>>534138674You blame Shueisha and Toei, I blame the video games. Dokkan and Legends, our Gachas we get the most revenue from, won't stop milking the same shit over and over. They've barely touched Daima.
Xenoverse is taking forever with its DLC and the story's has absolutely stagnated
We gotta wait until mid 2025 for the interesting part of Kakarot's Daima DLC
Sparking Zero...lol
Breakers is dying
And most importantly THEY KILLED HEROES
I replayed 2 of the custom scenarios I made when I was actively playing SZ and I had a blast just re-reading the shit I made. I completely suck at playing, but still it made me chuckle...
>>534138872It's hilarious.
>>534138878The video games can only do so much when there's no content left to adapt. And as far as Super goes, so much of it was half assed that the game developers actively have to go above and beyond, especially if they want to use it for celebrations.
Vegito Blue for ex. is carried by the video games, his Final Kamehameha in the anime is so mid that going forward the vidyas just copied FighterZ's version.
>>534138674so why does Shueisha want One shart to outdone db?
>>534139052I'm sorry what? The anime Final Kamehameha is "mid" to you?
>>534139297i know its ai, but anon posts it so much so it must be his oc even if its just gine with fasha's hair, so i wanna know the name
>>534139297Yes, I know it is an AI generated monkey OC. I am asking if it has a name.
>>534138674Knowing Shueisha and Bandai, they've convinced themselves that they aren't the problem and Dragon Ball is, so prepare for the games to be getting bogged down while the budget gets siphoned over to treasure cruise and whatever shitty gachaslop One Piss has.
>>534138574I put "Seripa" in the prompt, but the "Female Saiyans" LORA I'm using is trained on her, Gine, Caulifla, and Kale, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're all being mixed together since it isn't a specialized LORA for just one character.
>>534140027Is Seripa that game where all the Shounen MCs are genderbent?
>>534139052>Vegito Blue for ex. is carried by the video games, his Final Kamehameha in the anime is so mid that going forward the vidyas just copied FighterZ's version.He's just like SS4 Gogeta...
>>534140790Exactly. That Dokkan thing that released the other week is the best he's ever looked. It should have been the Heroes anime's job to fix that given all the time they shoved him in there. But the only well-animated part of the show was Goku's fight with Hearts, and the rest of the show (despite the fact that it's short as hell and the game its for makes the company a lot of money) is filler animation tier.
>>534140790See now THIS is mid. The Final Kamehameha looked a dozen times better.
>>534113997I get Toei rehashes villians for the movies (Wheelo even quotes Vegeta), but did they really have to make the basic Movie 2 mooks just Saibaimen but with a coat of paint?
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so how would it be to have a saiyan wife?
>>534142540very rough snu-snu
>>534142540She's force you to train so you're stronger than her to fuck her harder.
>>534144529>She's force you to train so you're stronger than her to fuck her harder.A perfect wife
>>534134240Why the fuck did the Artificial Humans do this to Yamcha?
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>>534134240Why the fuck did the Artificial Humans do this to Yamcha?
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>>534140790This is kino. You don't need a fancy animation for an attack that won't finish up the opponent anyway.
It looks dumb and you're dumb for pretending otherwise.
>>534142540Lots of cuddling and soft tail pulling
>>534142540she views your meek submission to her strength as a form of flirting
because humans are so much less aggressive than male saiyans, from her perspective she would view you acting like a normal man to her as utterly shameless and indecent PDA. of course, they find it irresistible
>>534157513The Cell arc really dropped the ball there huh
If we didn't speedrun our way to Cell's 2nd form, and arguably to Gero's lab, there could have been more twists and turns involving the entire cast like these cover pages imply
one single word change, seripa to gine
>>534119227If that's progress, I'd rather stay a caveman.
>He thinks he's a master storyteller for turning Dragon Ball into a DND campaign.A bad DND campaign at that because any DM worth their salt would veto that shit immediately.
>>534120476>What Salagir means by going further is "Have godlike magic to asspull what you need"Which is ironically the most basic form of writing rather than actually going further anything.
>>534122463>(and literally fucking mechikaboola)Isn't Mechi's thing that he was evil even for a fucking Dark Demon God and betrayed and killed literally everyone on his own side just to eat their powers?
>>534122636Bruh, what? Wookies have been some of the most steadfast allies of the jedi, Yoda would have nothing to do with people who killed them.
>>534123370>like the MC's son goes to the konosuba world and convinces megumin to give up on explosion magicThis is the worst thing I've ever heard in my life.
>>534125259>This leads to things like Xenomorphs and Sangheli having powerlevels in the tens of hundreds of millions.That's retarded, Freeza's guys already didn't even break in the millions, why powercreep the Saiyan side if you're gonna level scale everyone? Also Xenomorphs's whole thing is their numbers and specialized units, not their individual strength.
>>534125576Is it at least a fun one?
>>534126071If you like Korean MMO grind, sure.
>>534126205At least with Star Wars you can squint and take some of the 'highest end' bullshit from the Extended Universe like them gulping all life on a planet instantly like a reverse genkidama or technically force moving a blackhole.
Halo on the other end just has nothing unless they just start no-scoping with their superweapons just to kill individual grunts.
>>534126854Logically, if the saiyans were force sensitive, a genocide like that at point blank should fuck them all over and turn them into force-wounds.
>>534130382Based
>>534133080Godzilla make extra sense when you remember Gamera is in DB and knows Roshi.
>>534126205>I don't think most crossovers simply work with dragonball at allUsual way to make them work is for the other characters from the other side of the crossover to learn and harness ki.
>>534138674One Piece has only beat DB in any category of the 10 last fiscal year twice. Both times coincided with the fiscal year covering a period with 0 DB content.
Gundam on the other hand is a worthy rival.
>>534138986They were pretty good, you did a good job, anon.
>>534164705You can even have them steal/absorb it to expedite the process
>>534166323You're right. That could work in a heavy sci fi world. Cloning works too, according to Bio Broly, a blood sample is more than enough.
>>534142540She would act tough but she would expect you to fight back and stand up to it.
>>534128660>saiyan courtship is opposite of human courtshipNot exactly. The only information we have is Saiyan males desire strong mates.
>saiyan females DEPLORE the aggression and dominance of saiyan malesNonsensical headcanon that makes little sense for a warrior race.
>Which means that human male x saiyan female is the optimum pairing.Femdom self insert cope.
>>534167332>that makes little sense for a warrior raceit makes some sense
not much but the idea of a saiyan woman picks a partner who was a great conqueror but has thusly got it all out of his system so he can help raise kids wouldn't be that absurd
its not like he needs to be stomping ayys right in front of her to prove that he's a man anymore
>>534164450It turns out I had remembered incorrectly, Yoda didnt teach them the force he just taught them jedi martial arts (which MC adapted to fists because lol) still wacky though. Also I'm pretty sure the genocide of the wookies was because the saiyans needed a new home planet because planet vegeta was kinda shitty so they just took it from the wookies
As a final haha funny, the MC just kind of got legendary super saiyan after rolling a nat 100 one time, broly is around too its just that he's also a lssj
When the entire survivor team has Nimbus, that's the gayest shit. Please nerf that shit.
>>534170325We're buffing it
>>534080907what the other anons said, but also pic related. Multiverse very much could never cause salagir simply believes Goku isn't "cool", by his own admission
>>534170325what's with the final bout aura
>>534170998Its funny that salagir thinks vegeta is the coolest guy, despite the fact that when vegeta's zenkai powerup wasn't shit to final form frieza he literally just cried and immediately gave up, do vegetafags just block that out of their memory? Is the entire cope of that fanbase is "well he could have beaten goku in saiyan saga and could have beaten semi perfect too"
>>534170749I'm a pleb using Bulma Bike since I don't have Nimbus and it's barely an alternative. I get fucked by terrain, I get fucked going into water (since there's often no way to jump out of it), and I certainly can't fly around effortlessly dodging raider ki blasts.
>>534173858We're nerfing that
>>534169854Sounds dumb.
>>534171428They think it's an injustice he doesn't 'le dominate' everyone.
>>534176412I would be so defeated
>>534177930Gen her getting punched in the gut while spitting out blood
Gameplay and AI wise, BT3, Budokai 3 or FighterZ?
>>534182592Budokai Tenkaichi 3 for both. In my opinion.
>>534180450getting two characters to do what you want is incredibly difficult for me. I'm trying though
>>534134240i can only presume yamcha tried to flirt with 18 and that's why he got the limb by limb treatment
>Random Trunksfagging out of nowhere
What the fuck is this.
>>534187028Trunks is utterly irrelevant too in that manga.
>>534187028essentially replacing trunks with his future self just so he can do nothing anyway is pretty hilarious
>Me doing the Japanese strat of dropping off items at Location X so they can be used during the STM phase
>Manage to find a Super Soda and two regular Sodas to drop off there
>Nigger ass team takes the sodas when only two keys are planted
The Japanese are a better people.
>>534187028>randomly shitting on GotenCome on lol
>>534187028Could have just made up an excuse to bring in Future Trunks instead of making Present Trunks the exact same as his alternate future self...
>>534188525Making him wear the exact same outfit is so lazy and stupid
>>534187859>Using a strat made for high IQ high trust people with low IQ low trust peopleAnon just figured out why they changed the matchmaking due to the Japanese players hating the international players.
>>534188656If you're seeing unsavory people in real life, they're probably populating our games.
>>534189574As if these times weren't dark enough...
It makes me laugh that you idiots think dragon ball is some well though out coherent story when it's just a bunch of retards screaming loudly and this gives them x9000 power up. Salagir's stories aren't any more stupid than official stuff Toriyama wrote. Rule of cool was all that ever mattered.
>>534189832Reddit is that way.
>>534189832>well though out coherent storyNot really...
>just a bunch of retards screaming loudly and this gives them x9000 power upThat's also wrong.
>Salagir's stories aren't any more stupid than official stuff Toriyama wroteThey actually are, in many ways. First, from an objective standpoint, DBM has so much more stupid shit than Dragon Ball ever did. Second, DBM actually tries to pretend to be serious and well thought. Dragon Ball goes "oh well, guess Vegeto is too strong so now he's the strongest candy in the world!!" while DBM has to pretend this makes sense within a logical power framework. Toei can write "and then Goku's Kamehameha threw Cooler into the sun!" but Salagir has to pretend this fits his shitty astronomy calculations and how the sun is way stronger than the Z fighter's Ki blasts and so on.
Not sure why I answered (You)r shitty bait but hey.
>>534190334>>well though out coherent story>Not really...Dragon Ball is well thought out and coherent, it just wasn't pre-planned in advance, the coherence and fluidity of the events come from Toriyama writing the plot as he went, making the sequence of events and how they connected to each others natural.
That's something you can quite literally only accomplish with talent and why writing advice generally warn you against all of it.
>>534190585You put it in better words than I did, yes. Toriyama is surprisingly consistent despite not planning things in advance, most modern shonen are full of plotholes compared to DB.
>>534190334>Toei can write "and then Goku's Kamehameha threw Cooler into the sun!"Even Toei said the sun didn't actually do shit to Cooler in the end, that's why he could could come back after the Gete Star found his damaged body.
Soon... in barely two days I'll be going to a con...
>>534190693>most modern shonen are full of plotholes compared to DB.That's because that's what happens when you plan a story ahead but aren't actually 200% committed to it and sticking to it.
You can't suddenly change stuff to fit with the whims of your readers, editors or even yourself due to the much more rigid structure you built through your planning.
Meanwhile Toriyama could do it because he was literally flowing like water. The problem with that method being that if you're not fucking cracked, you just drown trying.
>>534190963Hope you have fun, anon!
>>534164826Gundam is a series that actually can keep drawing in new fans with every new series while keeping older ones happy with content related to previous ones. It's got both the legacy and the kind of natural growth to actually go toe-to-toe with Dragon Ball year after year.
>>534191635I still say I want Amuro to have a fight with Goku using a Capsule Corp-custom Gundam.
>>534191845Would Goku ask why he sounds like Yamcha though?
>>534191971Probably since he did that with Yajirobe and Krillin.
Babidi can do that in Hyper DBZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wWy3SHjWS4
>>534138132>but it still doesn't feel like they're a big group of friends, and are more like acquaintances who just happen to hang outTo be entirely fair, that can be a problem in actual Dragon Ball too, especially the manga. Like for as close as some of them supposedly get they tend to rarely actually associate with one another outside of emergencies or the occasional reunion. Tien especially rarely actually even spends time with anyone outside of filler content beyond Chiaotzu, and Chiaotzu himself might as well be a cryptid by the end of the series. There's also the now-retconned "five years since we last met" at the end of the manga. If there's one thing I do unambiguously appreciate about the revival era it's that there are more moments of characters actually just interacting casually, even more than the Toei filler content gave them. It's not always perfect but the effort is there and I do like that.
>>534170325>Literally a shit skill since S1>NOOOOOOOO STOP MOVING ABOVE A SNAIL'S PACE AND LET ME CAMPRaiderniggers are insufferable retards that killed this game
>>534193932I really appreciate that Super made sure to include the fact that Chichi and 18 just hang out and go shopping together. They are basically sister in laws if you think about it.
>>534194807Yeah, stuff like that is nice.
Remember when 18 stole one of Chi-Chi's outfits from her closet
>>534195318I only remember a FunsexyDB thing where that happens.
>>534195318and no one ever draws chi-chi with that outfit either
>>534195318It's a weird outfit for Chichi to have, but funny
>>534195647This is a real shame
>>534193932On one hand they do timeskips where they don't see each other like nothing at all, but then when you see them onscreen again they all chill together completely fine so I always chalk it up to a "Dragon Ball social rules are different and less serious than our own" thing.
>>534197259Eh that's more headcanon than anything concrete. Plus Bulma wouldn't really be as miffed about no contact for five years if that were the case. Again, the revival era showing them interacting more casually is something I prefer.
>>534198176Not so much headcanon when you see stuff like pic related
>hey, let's see each other in 3 years>huh>ok
>>534197259>>534198176DB works by cultivation rules where basic training requires you to sit on your ass in some cave in chunks of 10 years.
They aren't called 'hermits' for nothing.
>>534198507>oh hey I have a son nowIt's just casual. I like it
>>534198507That kinda feels like them just accepting Goku as slightly weird, but point. Still, my preference is more with the revival era showing more characters interacting casually. I guess that kinda started with Neko Majin Z, with Goku still living with his family and Uub just moving in with them.
>>534198651I wouldn't go that far, basic training in Dragon Ball goes by a lot quicker. The closest thing I can say compares to that is the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, and even that is a bit of a cheat with a year inside being a day outside.
>>534159259Have them all lined up as if they're going to do something.
>KrillinDoesn't attack the Androids, carries a remote, destroys it, then gets kicked in the head by Perfect Cell.
>YamchaWithout even fighting back, he gets a hole in his chest by one of the weakest Androids, then carries Goku home.
>TenshinhanGets choked unconscious by 17, almost kills himself a second time, I guess? Then admits it's pointless for him to use the RoSAT because he can never catch up to Cell.
>ChaozuDoesn't even show up despite being shown training hard like the rest (and is shown on the fucking Warriors Gathering spread page
>>534157513), for a retarded reason. (Tenshinhan says he doesn't think Chaozu'll be able to keep up [as if he didn't job badly and do virtually nothing himself], but for some reason, Bulma can show up near all the commotion and even bring her literal infant; just an extremely last-minute excuse from Toriyama, who admitted he hated drawing small stature fighters with stubby limbs)
>PiccoloBeats Gero without any trouble, which makes Gero look like a waste of time despite how menacing he looked when he first appeared, then gets two-shotted by 17. Merges with Kami, which doesn't do much for him, because he didn't accomplish his goal of defeating a single Android, and he gets one-shotted by Imperfect Cell.
>VegetaLooks cool when defeating 19, looks bad from losing to 18, doesn't get his rematch, toys around with Cell and lets him transform, jobs pathetically, then jobs pathetically again to Super Perfect...BUT gets to contribute as a mosquito-tier distraction, so that Gohan can unleash his full power.
>TrunksLooks cool by killing Freeza and Cold, becomes whiny around Vegeta, jobs worse than Vegeta against 18 somehow, looks slow and pathetic against Perfect Cell, then gets killed by Super Perfect Cell.
>Goku Does nothing for almost the entire Arc, trains Gohan, forfeits against Cell, then dies.
>GohanDoes absolutely nothing before RoSAT.
Everyone sucked.
>>534199364It's Roshi's suggestion though.
I agree with you, I would prefer some wacky SOL comedy hijinks going offscreen instead of empty timeskips. I wish more of the cast met at Kamehouse and such
>>534200410Tenshinhan did good but due to how the arc was written it ended up being pointless for the endgame
Piccolo.... had cool moments but same issue as above. He definitely needed one impactful moment on the resolution somewhere to make things good. At least he was well written as a character in this arc.
Vegeta is at his worst in this arc, he's fairly active I guess...
Goku did well, he had the best fight, we see him train Gohan a lot and inspire hope in everyone. It's solid.
Gohan had the entire climax for himself, it's cool.
Trunks is a huge waste. The damage control is showing him kill the androids and Cell in his timeline, but sadly he didn't do anything before that.
Krillin is the one that annoys me the most because he used to punch above his weight class instead of doing whatever the fuck he was doing in this arc.
>>534163908>Isn't Mechi's thing that he was evil even for a fucking Dark Demon God and betrayed and killed literally everyone on his own side just to eat their powers?Yes.
>>534200834I love Mechi's look honestly.
>>534200834Heroes really leaned into the tribal tattoo trope fanart and fanfics liked to use back in the day huh?
>>534193932Thing is, in the original manga they're more like a distant group of of friends, and they story treats them as such. Tuffle Quest has characters living together for a few months, traveling and training together more often, and they don't feel close to each other, they're close to Maple.
>>534201951Fair enough. Seems like a similar enough issue still. Though maybe that's my own preference for characters getting more moments of downtime together.
>>534193932That's something one grows to understand as he ages, I think. Everyone's doing their own thing, and you don't even notice years passed since you last saw each other. But it doesn't mean you don't care about them.
I wish I could fuck Pan (Super Hero)
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lets say you could marry any dragon ball girl, who is the best girl to marry and why?
>>534217309Good 21. I will not elaborate why.
>>534217309Bulma, she's rich and low maintenance.
>>534167332every named saiyan male has been shown instinctively submitting to his wife
>>534218670We have to consider that DB is a Toriyama work so female Saiyans by default are CODED to go fully submissive once they find a mate, im sorry but it tracks for every female written by toriyama, they'll probably be a mix of super videl with 18 push for you to train while being always the homemaker
>>534219024Based knower. They will become housewives
>>534217309Pan (adult)
>whyi feel like i could make her happy, plus i like her parents and her grandparents (our fuarking hero Mr Satan)
>>534217626>low maintenancei was about to say she isn't, but on the other hand i feel most anons are balding manlets with a temper so i guess you're right
>>534221103If she's fine with Vegeta who's AT BEST a house decoration 99% of the time, I'd say she's low maintenance.
>>534221103>marry bulma>rich as fuck >likes autistic manlets>if anon has a small dick she can easily get the dragon balls and modify anon to be to her pleasure >you get to hang around goku>will keep herself perpetually young for your pleasure>only flaw is that can be a huge slut if left unnatended for too long is bulma the (semi) perfect waifu?
>>534221536>>534221560you're forgetting you're not Vegeta, aka the coolest guy ever
no joke though, push come to shove she knows she can count on him to at least fight people, like even if he died against the androids i'm sure he at least lasted more than (You) could have
>>534221891>she knows she can count on him to at least fight people,She doesn't, she counts on Goku for that.
>>534203408I'm not saying it's a bad thing for stories to have more downtime where characters hang out, it's a difference between what a story says and what it shows. DB doesn't claim characters are all that close to each other, so they tend to live their own lives separately and only meet each once every few years. Tuffle Quest puts emphasis on them training together more often, and a bunch of stories where Goku traveled alone, they often have Maple, Goku and others tagging along, but despite this, it's written more like everyone is friends with Maple but acquaintances with the rest (There are exceptions like Yamcha and Acer being friends though, but they're few, and even then we don't see much of them).
>>534221560>>likes autistic manletsThe most unrealistic thing in Dragon Ball is that Vegeta isn't obsessed with trains.
>Trunks, son of anon and Bulma
>>534217626>low maintenance.It depends on when you marry her. She was definitely high maintenance back in OG, but in Z she's not even upset when Vegeta didn't care about saving her...
>>534223168>but in Z she's not even upset when Vegeta didn't care about saving her...To be fair, they weren't together back then, he wasn't even living at her house anymore.
>She was definitely high maintenance back in OGTrue but she chilled fast with Yamcha.
>>534223168I think that's more that Bulma doesn't care about Vegeta. She basically said Trunks was the result of a casual fling, she isn't shown to have any emotional attachment to Vegeta until the Buu saga.
>>534221560>only flaw is that can be a huge slut if left unnatended for too longNo joke, I'm convinced Toriyama would have had 0 qualms about having Bulma fuck someone other than Vegeta.
>>534223168Looking at this page makes it obvious why the Androids arc was accepted despite weaker writing.
Toriyama is just so good at conveying drama and twists. The characters show a lot of emotion, you really get into the scene just by glancing at the panels alone.
>>534224169>Toriyama is just so good at conveying drama and twists. While there is a massive plot hole with the androids (Trunks directly name dropped 19 and 20 in the manga), Toriyama when retconning it was smart enough to throw in twists. 19 and 20 aren't the androids, so Gero goes back to his lab to get the real androids, but when they get there, 17 and 18 unleash a third android not even Trunks knows about, and Gero is terrified of, to escalate things further than before.
>>534224938>While there is a massive plot hole with the androids (Trunks directly name dropped 19 and 20 in the manga)That was changed in reprints of the manga and later releases of it.
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>>534187028>Trunksfagging>Shits on Goten>Both are uselessCaptivating...
>>534228334Gohan just really wish he was an only child.
>>534224938Calling it a massive plothole when you have typos of similar level is kinda weird. It's really a small plot hole, just pretend he said a different number it's no big deal. If you want a "massive plot hole" look at the Monster Carrot chapter which has to be disregarded entirely if you want the story to keep cohesion. Or "why didn't the fallen warriors help Gohan and Trunks in the bad future", a question to which fans failed to find a single satisfying answer after more than 30 years.
>>534229007>Or "why didn't the fallen warriors help Gohan and Trunks in the bad future",Killing Kami removed the ROSAT and they couldn't go to New Namek because 17 and 18 would shoot down any spaceship, like they almost shot down the time machine?
>at the Monster Carrot chapter which has to be disregarded entirely if you want the story to keep cohesionI honestly don't see the issue outside of them breathing just fine on the moon, which is less of a plothole and just a funny reference to a japanese myth.
>>534229693>Killing Kami removed the ROSAT and they couldn't go to New Namek because 17 and 18 would shoot down any spaceship, like they almost shot down the time machine?Nah none of that works since there were tons of ways to handle that, they can literally just ask Kaio to contact the Namekians
it's just "the bad future" don't think too much about it
>>534229845>they can literally just ask Kaio to contact the NamekiansTrue, that one is kind of a silver bullet to everything that went wrong in Trunks's timeline.
Hell, they could have just had the Namekians bring back everyone, then teleport all the surviving humans on Namek to hos them while Goku and co train up to beat 17 and 18 who are stuck on Earth.
>>534229007>It's really a small plot hole, just pretend he said a different number it's no big dealCome on anon... I admit I exaggerated by calling it a massive plot hole, but it's still one nonetheless to name the next opponents, then have the same character not recognize them and mention different numbers.
>Or "why didn't the fallen warriors help Gohan and Trunks in the bad future", a question to which fans failed to find a single satisfying answer after more than 30 years.Yeah, that one is impossible to have a satisfying answer.
>Kaio could contact Namekians at any time>Or Goku could contact Gohan for training tips, even tell him about Hyperbolic Time Chamber if it was still usable>Or Goku could use his 24 hours to deal with the androids
>>534230361Salad Gear trying to write chapters to "explain it" was probably the worst thing he ever did as a writer
Completely retarded
>>534230361>>Or Goku could use his 24 hours to deal with the androidsTo be fair, that Goku was shit tier compared to 17 and 18 due to not going through the 3 years of preparation after Trunks's warning.
By the time Trunks was a teenager tho, he should have easily trained up in Heaven enough to just fodderize them on seconds.
>>534230361>but it's still one nonetheless to name the next opponents, then have the same character not recognize them and mention different numbers.It is, but it's very small.
>>534230463Please stop making everything about your favorite fanfic, you guys shit out half the thread with it at times.
>>534230981He's right tho, that was retarded
>>534231146My point isn't if it's retarded or not, I neither know nor care, my point is that it's so tangentially related to the thread you guys should just move somewhere else with it.
>>534231394Your point is also retarded, you won't ever control what other anons talk about and whining won't change it beyond just derailing the thread.
>>534231770You guys are the ones derailing the thread because you keep talking about a literal shitty fanfic in a thread where it is off-topic. You're also either a hypocrite of a retard, since if you believed what you said, you wouldn't reply to me in the first place.
>>534187028I find it weird to make Trunks the stronger between them as adults. Goten is shown training during EoZ. Trunks has the whole capsule corp shit to take care of while Goten is set up to be a bum.
Technically Goten and Trunks would either be in school by EoZ or have just graduated a month ago. The Tenkaichi Budokai takes place in early May. Goten isn't an academic type at all. He's perfectly set up to be a battle junkie and girl chaser. Apparently in DB After he is going to college which I doubt he would do.
They never play into present trunks being different from his future self. They always have to make him identical to his alt self. Present Trunks should be an arrogant snot. He was raised by the richest family on the planet and second strongest guy. Everything would be extraordinarily easy for him. He has super human strength and wealth. More things should play into that.
>>534188004>Shitting on Goten to make someone else look impressiveGiving him the Yamcha treatment is cruel. I think Gohan should be shit on if anyone. Gohan is the resident not training always out of shape guy.
>>534187351>>534187257I was surprise by how out of nowhere it came. It served no real purpose. Two chapters later both Goten and Trunks get instantly one shotted
I wonder if people forget Goten has better potential than Gohan because of modern Dragon Ball shafting Goten.
>>534231991>No u>More derailing>0 Dragon Ball talkHave fun with your tantrum, buddy.
>>534230981I guess we did bring this turd up a bit too often, hateposting is easy to fall into. It's fine to discuss fanfiction but maybe a bit less often...
Anyway I finished DB After in 2 days. Apparently Gotenks is gonna be relevant? And Gohan suddenly gaining his ultimate form (and power beyond it) was funny. Goku suddenly talking about alternate timelines and Bardock appearing for 1 panel were dropped plotlines. Apparently Bardock was supposed to do the Piccolo thing where he concentrates power but that was axed.
>>534232085And just like Yamcha, it doesn't make anyone look impressive because neither Goten nor Yamcha were impressive in the first place.
>I wonder if people forget Goten has better potential than Gohan because of modern Dragon Ball shafting Goten.Most people just consider that unrealized potential is worthless.
Just look at the 'Potential Man' meme.
>>534232106See
>>534231991>>534232232Definitely. It's both off-topic and repetitive as fuck.
>>534232294>Apparently Gotenks is gonna be relevant?As far as I know, it's still just Goku and Piccolo fighting.
>>534230463The one with Baba being a bitch for no reason?
>>534232346At least Gohan gets to be relevant because of his potential.
>just like Yamcha, it doesn't make anyone look impressive because neither Goten nor Yamcha were impressive in the first place.Goten was very impressive at one point.
...30 years ago during the beginning of the Buu Arc kek.
>>534232232to be fair, it's not like we have a lot to discuss about in the main series. Fanfic is kind of all we have left. I do agree that hateposting is easy to fall into, though, and I probably shouldn't have shitposted about saiyan conquerer either, it just kind of added more vitriol that we didn't need
>>534232452>Dragon Ball is off topic, unlike my tantrum!Derail the thread harder while shitting your pants, you're really teaching everyone a lesson here.
>>534232501The latest few chapters directly state Goten and Trunks are going to use the time chamber and relearn fusion. Also Goten got a major rage boost which was cool (ignore the fact the author had Goten getting one be a bad thing because it told Kakkarot where he was hiding).
>>534232452It's on topic, at least tangentially. But too much is too much, I can concur with that even if I'm the one who brought it up.
>>534232524That's also true, fanfiction is a valid subject. I just think I already hateposted about that retarded androids chapter, so I'll avoid repeating myself.
>>534232501>The one with Baba being a bitch for no reason?Yes. Crazy stuff honestly. The reason I brought it up a second time is because of how extreme this part was, I'm still flabbergasted this was released as it was honestly.
>>534232524>it just kind of added more vitriol that we didn't needPussiest shit ever said on this thread, holy shit.
>>534232704Is it just because After update like once a year or Goku and Piccolo have been fighting forever?
>>534232779Honestly the worst part of it was Baba moralizing Roshi over being a pervert and saying he was going to hell IMO.
What kind of faggot do you need to be to write that?
>>534232823I dunno man I just think it's easy to fall into a cycle of preaching to the choir and dunking on really easy targets, even if I agree that salagir should never touch dragonball again I would like to hear more about dragonball fanfiction people actually like.
I remember being into Paradise Lost for a while before dropping it because I just couldn't get the MC to click for me. It was a pretty great and fun story so far but her insistence of simping for the frieza force after freiza blew her head off before being revived just felt kind of annoying
>>534230463>What about Baba?>She told Gohan to fuck off>What about Buu?>Gohan prevented him from being summoned>What about Kaio?>Nobody should interfere with the world of the livingSalad Gear is very talented at coming up with explanations that are unsatisfactory, and even worse than not having answers...
>>534230571>To be fair, that Goku was shit tier compared to 17 and 18 due to not going through the 3 years of preparation after Trunks's warning.Yeah, I didn't mean he could handle them right away, but at some point, he should have become strong enough to deal with the androids.
I used to headcanon that Goku dying of a natural death caused him to be reincarnated, but that wouldn't explain why everyone else didn't ask Kaio for help...
Androids as a threat worked initially because they were the strongest opponents yet, we didn't know how strong Gohan could become, and whether or not Kaio could find new Namek, but once Cell became part of the plot, was capable of surpassing them, Hyperbolic Time Chamber was introduced, and Kaio was perfectly capable of finding new Namek... The future timeline just can't logically exist the way it does without everyone in Other World suddenly not caring.
>>534233069Then say you don't want to do it anymore because it got boring, who cares if it's vitriolic or not? This isn't the carebear thread.
>>534232667See
>>534231991>>534232524This argument hardly holds up in that you keep digging out the same plotpoints from ages ago. I never even read the comic itself and I've still grown to recognize the same arguments "muh baba refuses to help, muh son bra mary sue muh goku shafted for vegeta" over an over and over. You're not really discussing new things. I mean, I believe you that fanfic is shit, but come on.
One day I will be drawing fanfics. It'll be glorious seeing this place's reactions and how they tear me apart.
>>534233180will there be a saiyan girl with a pullable tail
>>534232986>Honestly the worst part of it was Baba moralizing Roshi over being a pervert and saying he was going to hell IMO.>What kind of faggot do you need to be to write that?Very valid but to understand how bad this is you need to perform one or two mental steps, to understand that it's trying to interpret Dragon Ball through "realistic" lenses and turning what was obviously comedic into serious stuff against the will of the author.
On the other hand, Baba shitting on a fucking kid who lost his dad and friends then actually taunting them as she leaves the place is... wow. That's the shit that makes me want to slap the writer in the face, that's how much of a ragebait this scene is, it's so bad.
>>534233085>>What about Kaio?>>Nobody should interfere with the world of the livingWhich is the worst one because we saw Kaio do exactly that several times.
>I used to headcanon that Goku dying of a natural death caused him to be reincarnated, but that wouldn't explain why everyone else didn't ask Kaio for help...Even that headcanon doesn't hold up all that much because earning your place in Heaven means no reincarnation, you basically escaped Samsara already. Reincarnation is for those who don't make the cut and people in hell mostly.
>>534233231Several
Rn I got Ceripa and Romaine while there are several half breeds.
>>534233242I just don't understand how baba died at all, girl survived the human extinction wave but jobs to the androids?
>>534233163We haven't gotten a crumb of a new story since Daima, nothing we're gonna talk is gonna be new regardless.
If we listen to you, the only valid thing to do would be to disband the general entirely until something new comes out.
>>534233163This. I haven't read multishart either but you guys talk about the same shit over and over. Talk about something new instead of picking on something easy. Learn to draw and provide content.
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>>534233387Don't question the writer that goes BEYOND old crusty shonen from 20 years ago ;)
>>534233534I wont shy away from shitting on Multiverse but only when I find some more fresh shit to put on the table.
>>534233242Even through a realistic lenses, nobody would consider that a dude who saved the world multiple times is gonna go to hell cause he groped a bunch of women.
People already don't give a shit the Kenshin author is a pedophile because his manga is good.
Or basically Dave Chappel's bit about MJ 'I don't think he did it but even if he did...you know what I mean?'.
Multiply that by 10 billion and you'd get a realistic view of Roshi's karmic balance over groping women.
>>534233689That's also true. Well, depending on your ethics. A mass murderer could kill 100 for his sick thrill but save the world, he'd still be evil. But Roshi is unambiguously a good guy and even by "realistic" standards he's only a somewhat harmless pervert.
>>534233534>Learn to draw and provide content.Do that yourself, lazy bum.
>>534233180How many girls will Goku fuck?
>>534233835>Do that yourself, lazy bum.I am! It's a lonely path
>How many girls will Goku fuck?I am not changing anything from the original manga. One of my ideas is to have Suno raping Goku while he's asleep. Besides that I don't have much else in that department.
>>534233085>Yeah, I didn't mean he could handle them right away, but at some point, he should have become strong enough to deal with the androids.Make sense then, I agree.
>and Kaio was perfectly capable of finding new Namek...To be fair, he knew where the fuck Namek was in the first place, he'd really be shit at his job if he can't find New Namek despite being around when it was made.
The part that guaranteed it couldn't work was the confirmation that Namek had Kami-worthy guys on it already. Before that point you could also bullshit 'Oh, they can't quite make the DBs work yet since Guru's lingering power left and they don't have anyone who could replace Kami to bring back Shenron yet, it would take like a century before little Dende grows up enough for the responsability!'.
>>534234213>I am not changing anything from the original manga.Gay.
>One of my ideas is to have Suno raping Goku while he's asleep.Based
>>534234440>GayChanging the original manga and adding headcanons is gay. All the sequels are on the table though.
>>534233314>Even that headcanon doesn't hold up all that much because earning your place in Heaven means no reincarnation, you basically escaped Samsara already. Reincarnation is for those who don't make the cut and people in hell mostly.Yes, that was a headcanon I came up with because I used to believe what happens with a soul changes based on whether or not you died of a natural death (Since dying a natural death prevents you from being resurrected by the dragon balls), but nothing supports this.
I think only Shin Budokai Another Road tried to come up with an explanation right? Something about Future Goku being in a state of perpetual nightmares, but how or why that happened isn't explained, or why nobody else could help him out since you can free him by simply beating him up, so it was a silly excuse with no real thought put into it.
>>534234771Adding harems is always straight.
>>534234892Shin Budokai gave Future Gohan PTSD which is funny and my headcanon now
>>534234892I fucking love early "Z" (Saiyans/Namek) worldbuilding
It added so much
>>534235001There will be harems just Goku isn't one of the recipients. He has a monogamous marriage as of the original manga.
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>>534234262>To be fair, he knew where the fuck Namek was in the first place, he'd really be shit at his job if he can't find New Namek despite being around when it was made.I feel that could be excused. Kaio knew where Namek was, but he had it written down. Namekians were teleported to another, unknown planet, so it wouldn't be impossible for Kaio to not be capable of finding them, since the universe is huge and there are way too many planets out there.
>The part that guaranteed it couldn't work was the confirmation that Namek had Kami-worthy guys on it already. Before that point you could also bullshit 'Oh, they can't quite make the DBs work yet since Guru's lingering power left and they don't have anyone who could replace Kami to bring back Shenron yet, it would take like a century before little Dende grows up enough for the responsability!'.And even that wouldn't work, because even if Mori is the only one in Namek who could make usable dragon balls, Earth doesn't need a new Kami, they only would need Porunga to resurrect Piccolo...
>>534235572Cringe, Goku deserve all the good stuff
>>534235287It is some of the best worldbuilding in fiction. Everything from Raditz arriving is so cool and flows pretty well besides the Raditz infodump.
>>534235683>it wouldn't be impossible for Kaio to not be capable of finding them, since the universe is huge and there are way too many planets out thereOne would ask how Kaio had it written down, and the answer is probably "funny god magic" so I'd still think he should be able to find it.
But if Toriyama went and wrote "oh no, he can't find it!" for comedic reasons and to build another plot I'd accept it. Just not to try and explain the dumbest plot point in existence (the Trunks timeline)
>>534235730I promise to not shaft Goku in favor of fagging another character. I well respect his capabilities to always put up a good fight no matter the opponent.
Harems are out of the question for him. he doesn't even know what a marriage is.
>>534235748>besides the Raditz infodumpI think it's fine? Goku forgot everything, he gets a free infodump. Raditz is such a cool start, he's memed as the Saiyans Yamcha nowadays because shitty memes but it's an incredibly iconic and memorable start.
I don't even blame Americans for starting with Z and Raditz everytime because it's so cool. First fight, Goku fucking dies.
>>534236010>he doesn't even know what a marriage is.Exactly so he doesn't know it's only with one woman.
>>534236092As a writer you aren't supposed to infordump like that. Everything before that where Raditz has a tail, refers to Goku as his brother, and asks why he didn't kill everyone on the planet was good story telling.
>>534236152I dunno it doesn't suit him. Literally anyone else is more likely to have a harem.
>>534236368>you aren't supposedThat's kind of arbitrary, some infodumps are perfectly fine, others aren't. It depends on context
For reference this is pretty much the entire dump. I can see maybe that the way he explains how they pick which Saiyans to depopulate which world could be a bit too much? Like, they don't necessarily need to hear about that. But that like two bubble panels, very small. Certainly not a "as you know, <info being dumped>" situation, which is a clear writing sin
>>534236783>Certainly not a "as you know, <info being dumped>" situation, which is a clear writing sinOh 100%. Toriyama's dialogue is so short and to the point. I admire that a lot. That's something I want to emulate. When you're reading a glorified picture book you shouldn't need words to know how everyone is feeling or thinking. His infodumps barely take up a few panels.
It's just a minor mistake what he did.
>>534234213>One of my ideas is to have Suno raping Goku while he's asleept.West Kaiosion
>>534238250She should have raped him. It should have been censored but implied. This is lame
>>534238465It's said she originally did rape him, but fans complained and Toyotaro changed it.
>>534238643I wish there was a concrete source for that like a screenshot or a link.
Anato >>> SKOT
Can we replace her with him?
>West Kaioshin
>Chronoa
>Aeos
WHY ARE GOKU AND HIS RELATIVES CATNIP FOR GLIND WOMEN?
None of you are even half as good as Chichi. You aren't worthy of OUR HERO, GOKU!
>>534239317That one scene where Goku princess carry 18 and she's blushing was SO wild
Is Zahha from the deleted universes?
>>534232524Honestly bringing that one up at least helped me put into perspective how that other Quest measures up. Actively trying to make Saiyans and whoever is allied with them into the morally "better" by villainizing other groups, like the Time Patrol, is a Dragon Ball fanfic trope that I find a good deal more irritating, and the crossovers sounded especially egregious (seriously why make Megumin less fun?). I can guess that for those playing it in the moment it doesn't stand out as badly but taken from a broader context its something I would find very frustrating. Makes the other one seem a good deal more palatable in comparison.
>>534240324Yes, it's basically confirmed.
>>534238797Even checking out his blog doesn't work, its posts were deleted, and waybackmachine doesn't have it archived either...
>>534242120 (me)
nvm I'm retarded. It's archived.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100124102339/http://blog.livedoor.jp:80/toyble/
This one has the pages explaining Xicor's origins
https://web.archive.org/web/20100221060655/http://blog.livedoor.jp/toyble/archives/2009-10.html
These are the pages right before.
Maybe if there was something of West Kaioshin raping Goku, the pages were only drafts... I'll keep searching.
>>534236010Based
Goku is made for loving Chi-chi and being cool enough that she can look past his fight hobo lifestyle
https://youtu.be/4_-eEf91hwo
This opening? Never topped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F544y7a5pZQ
You know what... this one is okay too
>>534244974For these two monogamy is okay. They are an iconic relationship.
>>534244859I don't know about rape, I only heard about Goku just cheating on Chichi.
>>534245239nah budokai 2 is better
There is only one official canon
>Dragon Ball (manga)
That's it.
>"BUT"
GT, Yo Son Goku, Online, Battle of Gods, Ressurection F, Super, Broly, Super Hero, and Daima were all considered "canon" at one point
When will you youngins learn Canon means nothing in Dragon Ball. They make new stuff, enjoy it or shit on it, but stop trying to tie it all together like the MCU
The official canon is the one where I make love to Goku
https://web.archive.org/web/20100127081216/http://blog.livedoor.jp/toyble/archives/2009-04.html
It's adorable seeing a post about Toyotaro going on an autistic rant, trying to explain why Raditz claims there are only four saiyan survivors, when there were more kek.
>>534248234>GT,Lies.
>Yo Son Goku, Online, Battle of Gods, Ressurection F, Super, Broly, Super Hero, and Daima were all considered "canon" at one pointAnd they still all are canon except Online who was only a MMO where most of the lore attributed to it didn't even show up in game.
>Stop being rightNo.
>>534249823He will always be one of us in spirit.
>>534248234Except for Super where the opposite is true.
>>534249823>Raditz didn't know those guys and never came into contact with themWould be a more than sufficient explanation.
>>534248234>Just share my newfag opinion I got from a youtuber desperate to make views of non-canon shit nobody cares about like the DBS manga!When are you gonna come to term with the fact it's never ever happening?
>>534250396Not sure how you got
>You must like the Shitty Super manga and want it to be animated!out of
>Canon doesn't matter
>>534251838I want a Videlwife so bad...
Videl and Gohan
Chichi and Goku
Gine and Bardock
Anything else is both cringe and fanfic
>>534251737It's not about liking the Super Manga, it's about repeating an obviously biased and self-interested argument trying to put everything on an 'equal' level of validity and important and thus interest because their views have dried up since the TOP ended, only surging back when the movies and Daima came out.
>>534252448Sounds like you hate a YouTuber or hate some drama they were in and I could really give less of a shit
>>533809954Where are her tits.
>>534251838Goku is so lucky
>>534252540Sounds like you're retarded.
>>534252378you're forgetting
>Caulifla and Goten
>>534252862A bit too old really.
>>534252378Bulma and Bejitabros...
>>534252582You mean Goten
https://files.catbox.moe/dgjnmi.jpeg
>>534253767No, I said Goku.
>>534252723Cringe. And. Fanfic.
>>534252991Not part of Goku's family, don't care.
>>534253857Well I said Goten
>>534253883I think you mean Cute And Canon
>>534254691I do not. In fact if you insist upon this you will be punished.
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>>534256061you're welcome to try
>>534256415Goten Genderswap
>>534256531>it existsI guess I shouldn't be surprised.
>>534259534...I really shouldn't
>>534259785shouldn't what?
>>534259534>>534259838>tags: corruption, incest, monster girl, femdom, age gap, aged up, tailplay, anal, impregnation
>>534232294>Apparently Gotenks is gonna be relevant?Really? Was this something volume 13 implied? I've only found it translated in Italian.
>Apparently Bardock was supposed to do the Piccolo thing where he concentrates power but that was axed.Bardock wouldn't make much sense so that's for the best...
Piccolo is hilarious currently. Not only he outlasted Vegeta, the amount of plans within plans he has is so silly too. Reminds me of Yuta's infinite backup plans in Jujutsu Kaisen.
>>534200831>Tenshinhan did goodSpamming his only ace-in-the-hole is all well and good until you realize that's all he ever does for the rest of his existence after the Cell arc. Didn't even throw a single punch or kick in the Buu Arc or the ToP, and never uses any other technique besides Kikoho. Tenshinhan is a dull piece of shit after the 23rd.
>Piccolo.... had cool moments but same issue as aboveCool moments that amounted to nothing, even though Toriyama played up the Kami merge as a big thing as far back as the Namek arc, when Guru mentioned how powerful they were when they were one being. Completely wasted.
>>534268330>Spamming his only ace-in-the-hole is all well and good until you realize that's all he ever does for the rest of his existence after the Cell arc. Didn't even throw a single punch or kick in the Buu Arc or the ToP, and never uses any other technique besides Kikoho. Tenshinhan is a dull piece of shit after the 23rd.Tien went from having the most versatile power set among DB characters, to just being a boring Kikoho spammer... Even during the 23rd tournament he was dumbed down, as he didn't use his other techniques, and made an amateur mistake by using Multi-form technique at all.
>Cool moments that amounted to nothing, even though Toriyama played up the Kami merge as a big thing as far back as the Namek arc, when Guru mentioned how powerful they were when they were one being.I always found it weird Toriyama claimed Piccolo was among his favorites. While he stayed relevant for a surprisingly long time given that he's not a saiyan, he never manages to catch up for long, and even after fusing with Kami he reached a ceiling very fast. By Buu saga he was reduced to Gotenks' babysitter, though he still had a few moments (Like stalling super Buu for as long as possible), but in the revival er he was a jobber until Super Hero...
How many times did Piccolo fight Vegeta in games? All I can think of are Budokai 3 (Where Piccolo fights Vegeta instead of Nappa in an alternate saiyan saga route), and Sparking Zero (Piccolo's saiyan saga what ifs).
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>>534273638Supersonic Warriors 2
Bejita RAN btw
>>534276319I really have to play Supersonic Warriors 2 to check out those what ifs. IIRC there was one of Vegeta killing semi-Perfect Cell, and he slacked off afterwards, much like Gohan did kek.
Flopmabros... what went wrong...?
>>534278596Slow day at /dbs/?
>>534278094The ones I remember are Majin Piccolo, Satan befriending Broly like he did Buu, and the human fighting the Ginyu Force while everyone else was training for the Cell Games.
I found the series of events to be amusing
>>534278596Hahaha no wonder they're giving such a half-assed attempt for Sparking Zero's DLC.
They know it's futile, so much they redirected most of the company to work on two Switch ports instead for bigger profits.
They must be all MALDING at being contractually obliged to release the Daima DLC despite the series hyping no one. Even Kakarot's Daima DLC was already forgotten a week in and they took a whole damn year to make that.
slow day indeed, it seems.
AIIIEEE DISCORD-SAMA NERDS PLEASE SAVE US!!!
He's trying really hard. It's kinda sad.
We should talk about something more relevant
Like how many of us want to kiss Goku, and why
Goku responds better to punching
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>>534279535>>534284098>>534285232Time Tells No Lies.
Daima flopped. They will go back to Super brand, pretending it never existed.
>>534285724But he is our hero...
>>534285856You would be doing a disservice to Goku if you don't want to punch him
>>534285957I think punching goku would hurt me more than it'd hurt him
>>534278596Daima was long over in April, the fuck are you on about?
>>534285747>Daima 'flopped' by beating One Piece while airing and breaking the record for revenue in a single fiscal yearYup, it tells no lies, which is why it's pointing out you're retarded.
>>534279535>>534284098He seemingly missed the part where DB outsells One Piece for the full fiscal year as well as the first half of it.
if you like goku black you're not white
>>534292530>gacha moneyBOOM
Kneel to your gambling overlords for the records.
>>534294019>The thing that existed before and didn't break the recordCope. Now flail harder.
>>534268017Yeah. Volume 11 and 12 say Goten and Trunks need to use the time chamber. That's why they're running away and being healed by dende.
https://mangahub.io/manga/dragon-ball-after-doujinshi
Where can I read 13?
>Piccolo is hilarious currentlyI find the clone thing really stupid but whatever
I doubt Gotenks is gonna kill Kakkarot but seeing him in general would be cool. Too bad Gotenks is almost always just Trunks.
>>534293842Coincidentally also the most insufferable raiders
>>534293842So what? My name is Javier and I own a taco stand in Mexico city. Your point?
>>534283984right? the Kakarot DLC is such a nothingburger that even DotoDoya would rather play the Breakers EoS update than slog through it. LOL
>>534295723Kakarot should honestly just dismantle Gotenks in a fight given the big brain plays against Piccolo. Goten and Trunks always had the power but no skill or experience.
>>534238839>West Kaioshin >AF Goku>Chronoa>Bardock>Aeos>Future GohanWith Goku and Gohan, I guess optimism but idk about Bardock. Can you really count West Kai though? AF is still fanfiction at the end of the day.
>>534296989Ultimate Gohan is getting hyped up. It goes along with old Z scaling where Gotenks was stronger than Goku. Trunks has grown stronger since then and Goten gets really fast gains in the time chamber. It is directly stated Goku and Bejita haven't grown much stronger since their fight with Buu 12 years ago.
>Goten and Trunks always had the power but no skill or experience.Right now it's looking like Uub + Bejita + Piccolo + Gotenks are all going to gang up on Kakkarot some time or another. Since Piccolo we be there he'll probably order around Gotenks.
>>534297267AF might as well be official
>>534285747>They will go back to Super brandthat was always the plan, anyone pretending otherwise is completely braindead
I came up with a doujin idea. Future Mai coming back to the past and double teaming present trunks with present mai.
Kinda weird how you fags want to see your heroes have sex
>>534303860I am a proud cuckold
>>534303860i self insert into them so it's actually me doing that
>>534304968Thewritefiction...
Every Gokubro, Krillinbro, DBSBrolybro, and Gohanbro...
>>534292430So? Super has been over since 7 years and still generating profit. Daima is over for half a year and nobody cares anymore? Sad!
Official Puar plushie: https://dragon-ball-official.com/news/01_3610.html
>>534315152Awesome
Playing Puar in Breakers to celebreate
Would you like to see Gero back in the show?
>>534319437He's long dead
>>534319437Nah. Also, is that 21, not Vomi?
>match starts
>can't use Nimbus (as soon as I jump on, it gets destroyed)
>try to stop the raider from destroying the STM
>punching the raider doesn't damage me
>assume the raider is the one that's glitched so I try to abuse it
>only realize that I was probably invincible the entire time after the STM was destroyed
>Death Ball was the only thing that could kill me
What the fuck, how does this janky ass game get jankier and jankier?
>>534319437Why is he so grossed out over his wife still being into him?
what's your personal pet theory as to why gero doesn't have the same enhancements as 17 and 18? Mine is just that his body was too old and couldn't handle the cellular treatment thing and therefore had to settle with the robot instead.
>>534327893His dick don't work no more
>>534328371That is my go to theory too. It doesn't explain why he didn't make himself into a 16 type though, since it's stronger than everyone...
>>534328882I just use the cope that 16 was a one off magnum opus with enough parts to only ever make one of. Kind of like how bulma can't remake the dragon radar
>>534327893Daima is not hype, kid goku is not hype i have no idea what is the obsession of nips with kid goku
Oh hey he woke up, and is just responding to random posts now
>>534329104>dbsHYPE literally shills Daima in every tweetseems like you're wrong
>>534328371He needed a young body and he was to prideful to steal a younger one to pilot and it was either HIS or made by HIM
>>534329104That's cool, but what I really want to know why Gero is a fag, aversed to having sex with his hot, young, wife.
>>534328759That's true, he could attach a dildo into his crotch but it's not the same...
>>534327893Wife bad, classic boomer joke
>>534328371>what's your personal pet theory as to why gero doesn't have the same enhancements as 17 and 18?I don't care.
>>534328371>what's your personal pet theory as to why gero doesn't have the same enhancements as 17 and 18?He thought the absorption model was better, that's pretty much it.
>>534330191I guess that kind of makes sense. Gero had no idea super saiyan was a thing, and the absorbtion model should have been more than strong enough to deal with them at the level they had been calculated to be at. But even then piccolo still kicks ass despite not having super saiyan or anything so I guess he's just stupid
>>534329015I also thought he couldn't because something about 16's model doesn't work with a human brain, and he wouldn't make 19 into a 16 type since he seems to prefer his subordinates to be weaker than him (Since he claims 19 is weaker).
>>534330429Piccolo also got juiced up by Nail and training with Goku. He's still likely around Frieza tier.
>>534330603Goku also got that fuckhuge zenkai and Gero still didn't seem worried at all about that.
I guess the weirdest thing about all this is Gero coincidentally deciding that he doesn't give a shit anymore right after goku defeats vegeta for some reason
>>534330429Gero had no way to know how much strong 17 and 18 were compared to his absorption model so from his perspective, it was just a faulty tech he didn't have a full understanding of, unlike the absorption model that worked perfectly, did everything it was supposed to AND had a neat ability to grow strong and make one of his ennemies main ability useless at best.
Gero sure as fuck was never planning to train a day in his life so absorbing other people's power was a much better option.
Also Gero had no clue about anything on Namek, which include Piccolo fusing with Nail + everyone training for 3 years (let alone Kamicollo).
>>534330714>for some reasonHe considered that Goku was clearly nearing his limits and given his age, he was likely to plateau fairly quickly.
And then proceeded to make his Artificial Humans WAY overkill for what he had calculated Goku's level to be by the time he enact his plan.
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>>534330714>I guess the weirdest thing about all this is Gero coincidentally deciding that he doesn't give a shit anymore right after goku defeats vegeta for some reasonGero was a retard and thought Goku wouldn't grow that much stronger after saiyan saga, and this is after Goku, from his point of view, became like 15x stronger offscreen... And that's without including Kaioken.
>>534330786He was aware they were stronger than him since he ran with his tail between his legs back to the lab.
>>534331202It's odd to me that Gero just assumes that Goku is maxed out on his potential considering an adult combatant despite the fact that he should know that he isn't human after seeing raditz and vegeta. What about piccolo too, he clearly isn't human and was consistently around goku's strength up till vegeta
>>534331202>He was aware they were stronger than him since he ran with his tail between his legs back to the lab.Yes but not how much.
>>534331354It makes no sense
>Goku dies, has a power level under 1000>Comes back less than a year later, power level over 8000>Kaioken multiplies that even further>"Goku must be nearing his limits!">"I'll make my androids a million times stronger than that just in case."It's makes no sense.
>>534331430Still, even if he couldn't gauge it (Which I don't see why he couldn't, 16's sensors could see Piccolo fused with Kami was as about as strong as 17), he was aware they were much stronger than Vegeta.
>>534332538>he was aware they were much stronger than Vegeta.Which he also was after absorbing the final flash, he just fell for a bluff and was a coward
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>>534332873>he just fell for a bluffTrue...
>and was a cowardGero's cowardice is the funniest thing...
>Doesn't expect Goku to become that much stronger>Makes himself and 19 way above Goku's measured limits anyway>Still has a backup plan to escape just in case
>>534333642Gero is the most realistic depiction of a scientific in fiction. At least the ones who make weapons.
>>534335423>of a scientificA what now?
>>534335423I can say I dislike how the dynamic kind of fucks with fanfics because being an android is a free powerup and people say "well why doesn't bulma just turn all of the human z fighters into androids" My personal headcanon is that ( as people tend to forget) 17 and 18 aren't robots, and bulma doesn't seem to have much experience at all dealing with non-mechanical stuff. She even has clear limits like being unable to make a ship that could make it to namek originally
>>534335718I think the argument is Bulma should be able to learn since she is a hypergenius. Now that Dr Hedo is around there is little reason why he can't pump out an army of robots.
>>534336059I feel like we have to give bulma limits or there's no reason that she can't just constantly solve the plot via SCIENCE! which is antithetical to the setting. Positing that she cannot do something that she's never shown any aptitude in doing feels reasonable
>>534335718Being literally modified on a cellular level can't be an easy process and it clearly had long term effects on 17 and 18 who are STILL calling each others by their numbers like a decade later.
It's not a free power up, it's clearly some bullshit we don't actually know much about.
>>534336059>Now that Dr Hedo is around there is little reason why he can't pump out an army of robots.Mass produced stuff would never be on the level of Gamma 1 and 2 and numbers are irrelevant since the stronger fighter can just nuke the area. Also making such an army would create more problem than it would solve.
>>534336212It's hard to really define those limits given she literally was capable of inventing time travel in canon.
>>534336540FUTURE bulma was able to recreate time travel. Present bulma had the time machine right in front of her and she was explicitly unable to figure out how it works at all until she finds the journal
>>534336675She was doing it as a side project hobby purely out of vanity. It's pretty different from doing it as a 24/7 last hope thing in a world with nothing else left.
>>534337021it, combined with the fact that she was confident that she would be unable to make engines capable of reaching planet namek, shows us that she has actual limits at the very least. She even says herself when looking at the schematics for 17 and 18 that she has no fucking clue what to do with any of it sans the bombs
Granted, there's also bulma in yamcha isekai who invented the fusion bracelet after just being introduced to the concept
>>534337294...you mean Fusions right?
>>534337434no I mean yamcha isekai. There's a thing where yamcha and chaitzou fuse to be able to defeat a cell junior in an extended thing, iirc
>>534336675That's still A Bulma, one with more limited resources.
>>534337697limited resources is more of a buff in this setting than a debuff. Compare Gero in the red ribbon army to gero in a cave with a box of scraps
>>534337795Only in the sense of desperation driving them.
Uber Brain scientists in DB are limited by time and ressources / funding, as well as what would obviously disrupt their research, let alone the process of actually making the thing. And also their own interests in Bulma and Brief's cases.
The fighters are only limited by the amount of effort they put in and any fighting creation worth their salts will just outgrow their parameters and programming, becoming independent of their makers.
>>534338083>The fighters are only limited by the amount of effort they put inOr if you're gohan, just get really angry lmao
>>534338290Gohan is only able to do that after training like in Super Hero.
>>534338393I refuse to let beast be narratively validated by "yeah he trained a bit offscreen he just didn't tell anyone"
>>534338510>A bitHe's been training ever since he started training with Piccolo again somewhat before the TOP.
So a few years.
And then did extra secret training to learn the Makankosappo.
It's more than he did to get SSJ2.
>>534339284him earning super saiyan 2 moreso comes from his struggles through saiyan and namek saga (though I agree him not being relevant throughout the entirety of androids and cell until the very last part of the arc is really dumb) Him being a bit under ToP goku feels earned too, since we see him training onscreen with piccolo (after he gets destroyed in RoF, may I add) Comparatively, we're just kind of told he was training offscreen and that's all that's given to justify beast
Gohan training regiment
Defeat Cell: Slack off for 7 years
Get beaten by Buu: Slack off for 4 years
Get beaten by Freeza: Train for about a year before the ToP.
Win the ToP: Stop training hard and struggle to lift a few tons
Defeat Cell Max: Slack off until EoZ
Yeah this bitch doesn't deserve shit.
>>534327893He thinks he is too old for his hot wife
In the Manga he trains until the Moro Arc which is about a year after the ToP. Then by SH he's slacking off again.
>>534339757>Win the ToP: Stop training hardThat doesn't happen.
>>534339637>Comparatively, we're just kind of told he was training offscreenBecause you already saw him training since before the TOP so him training is the status quo currently.
>>534339757dude sure is lucky his wife didn't get with him because he's strong
I'd do anything to have fucking solar flare or Krillin's shoe dude
>>534342134Breakers out of context.
Soon the Gumori Comet will destroy this thread... It's a shame Broly will have to die with it, but he's of no use to me out of control
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>>534347218I-I was gonna go to the next thread with you!
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>>534347867In an image board with one image per post?!
>>534348951To be killed by the guy joining in on your joke..
Is this also the fate of a shitposter?
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>>534351162Shit forgot to reply
>>534351350WHY HAS DESTINY CONSPIRED AGAINST YOU SO TRAGICALLYYY?
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