Duel Links Speed General #2508
Despia Edition
Marik thread
>>531732843Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Links is a Mobile and PC game that uses the Speed and Flush Duel formats. /dlsg/ focuses on the SPEED duel format of the game. Classic yugioh anime discussion also welcome. Flush discussion NOT welcome.
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>>533878751 (OP)the konami assassins got to him...
>>533881661>Last flush thread was 26+ days >Won
>>533878751 (OP)Hello OP, it seems like you forgot to put a link to the only good site for info regarding this game:
https://www.duellinksmeta.com/
Please make sure you post HIS site in the OP next time for new players.
>>533890458Wow op actually posted it.
I kneel
FlooGOD we need you......
>>533880907Woah. Hope it's because of being a fatso and this leads to him forced to eat healthier and not something more serious.
Saars, is Duel links down!?
I love the Obelisk Blue uniform
IF I WAS ELECTED THE PRESIDENT OF DUEL LINKS
I would implement the following program
1) On top of the slop already obtainable from the trader, you can also buy any R or N card from any box with gold.
2) You can buy stones and keys with gold, or sell them for gold.
3) The random "specials" that refresh every 8 hours are no longer a set amount of cards, but random UR/SR cards which you can normally obtain with box chips only.
4) All gates can be auto-dueled, not just red gates.
5) Kill all niggers, troons and brown "people". Make it illegal to boycott Israel.
6) Ranked now shows the current player's timer.
7) Whenever someone interrupts your turn for longer than 5 seconds (because of an activation prompt) you get the entire interruption time added to your timer.
8) If you win the "coin flip" you pick if you go first or second, just like in better gatcha card games.
9) The rank up system is more transparent, you know exactly how many times you need to win to rank up.
10) You and your opponent's MMR is visible when you get matched and in replays.
Aluber the Jestuber of Despuber
This event is boring AF. Don't blame me for getting lost on other gens
Best monster/archetype for this skill? I used to run it with deskbots
https://www.duellinksmeta.com/skills/ATK%3A%208800%20Pulse
>Try playing Metalfoes with autoduel
>The not-AI uses the quick play fusion during my Main Phase even though it has the free draw fusion in its hand
This never happened in 2020
>>533928836Use it with Arcana Force VII or Scab Scarknight to steal any of your opponent's monsters. Masquerade and the blue Lyrilusc bird with big boobs will never recover.
I guess you could use it on Raye to kill a monster in the EMZ to bring Roze out of the graveyard. Still can't do damage tho.
Actually Scab + Rainbow Life or Life Barrier would've been really funny during Lyrilusc meta. Real answer is to transfer the attack to monster with protection or gain LP off of it to survive next turn.
>>533929017I think it's gotten worse overtime because of the card pool bloat, there's too much for the shitty 2016 Ai to deal with almost ten years later
>>533928836The only other target I can think of is Flying Red Carp to either summon Citadel Whale for Sea Stealth Attack battle phase pranks or the Latin Turtle to stuff Sky Strikers. Maybe combine it with Ice Barriers to form some janky lock. Daisojo + Cryomancer + Testudo can lock down Speedroids and Gusto in theory.
Can we get back to live commenting Quantum or Grandharrier's tournaments? Or will some autisits still complain ans squeal to the jannies?
Went on a 10 win streak in Legend with pure Nekroz (tier 86 deck), before forced loss to Herotranny pig who gets to draw 3 veilers and troon winds, which is impossible for Nekroz to handle
>10 win streak in legend
>Still legend 1
>shark tranny took the bait
I was checking if you're still stalking my account like the little bitch you are, I just made it to Legend playing Nekroz with a 10 win streak actually, but unlike low MMR trash like you, I only play against Legend pigs even while I'm still in Plat
>Get caught
>"H-H-Ha ha I le trolled you"
You're the one caught stalking me troon, but you are literally sub 80 IQ so you are unironically too retarded to realize how I epically owned you.
If I made a tournament for all dlsg girls with steam cards as prizes would you girls join
>>533985168Okay cool but I think we'll need more than two people
>>53390939011) The chests after a ranked match have a small chance of dropping a pack from any of the boxes in the game.
>number 9
If you ever ranked up past silver you'd know that it's this
>Rookie and bronze
1 win
>Silver
2 wins
>Gold
3 wins
>Platinum
4 wins
>Legend
5 wins
Yall ready for them big leakies?
>braindead shitskin sweeping the floor for Konamikikes
"Get 4 wins, lose 1 game, will I get another rank up & how many times in row?"
This is what Duel Links never explains, you subhuman NPC. I would personally make it 5 wins in row in legend, so shitskins like you with 41% winrate would never reach "KoG".
>in b4 the shitskin starts making up shit he doesn't know like "you get one extra --ACK"
Wrong.
>>533985168My Dyson Sphere turbo deck will surely get a chance since nobody would play a current meta deck in the tournament, r-right?
>>534022727Just wait around 2 years for legacy support
Ur deals suck when you're a piggy
>>533966898Id be up for it.
>I manually go invoker into almiraj
>click autoduel, hoping that surely AI is smart enough to throw almiraj into rainbow neos to shuffle
Nope
It first uses the almiraj on the field to fusion summon
Then it throws the invoked into the graveyard
As a result, instead of beating on turn 3, it beats on turn 5
This is scripted abuse
No more leaks. EoS World soon.
FUCKING DESPIA PIECE OF SHIT WHORE ONLY GETS TO WIN BECAUSE HE ROPES DURING MY TURN AND INTERRUPTS MY CLICKING AND I RUN OUT OF TIME
SUBHUMAN DOGSHIT GAME
>piece of shit despia pig troon tries to make me timeout by literally disconnecting himself
Good thing reports literally do nothing in this game.
If you do the waiting for response shit = instant loss, derank to rookie where you belong and die irl
>>534048723HIS NAME IS ZA GORE
AND COMPARED TO HIM YOU'RE A BORE
>>534077102Uooooh Kurikara Divincarnate fire tootsies erotic ToT
Why couldn't my card activate it's effect if Knightmare Unicorn explicitly States that it TARGETS
>>534086910>Didn't censor the name belowTime to discard it forever I guess
>>534086910Because it wasnt the last effect to activate, thats what we call a chainblock
>>534086910you got chainblocked bwo
your monster needs to chain in direct response to the card thats targeting it
the trigger of knightmare unicorn and block dragons effects happen at the exact same time, so your opponents can chose to the order in which they occur on the chain
so because your monsters being targeted on chain link 1 and block dragon is on chain link 2, you can't chain your monster
>>534087996>>534087719>BlockchainAnd I'm still learning new stuff huh
>>534088527If your deck can't destroy Stardust Dragon without negating it, can you even call it destruction?
Decks for this feel?
https://files.catbox.moe/ui0lz0.mp4
>>534099643Dream mirror but dark monsters only
>>534099643Earthbound Immortal Cusillu turbo
>Have no Armageddon so D/D deck for D/Declan is just a pile of random 7*s, fusions and synchros
>Every normal summon has more than 1000 in some stat and Pendulum summoning is easy, no Contract with Gate but who gives a shit this isn't for pvp.
>Auto-duel lvl 10 Akira
>Lose twice
DL autoplay deck is proof of divinity because it is evidence of malevolent intervention.
Probably my easiest kog in awhile 10 win streak from legend 4 to kog with chimera.
>>534099643insanely cringe
TOP KEK, yugioh troons absolutely and completely OBLITERATED (@4m00s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipdIwr_jsCY
No other card game needs to have "um akshully" rules like this. In Magic, everything you need to know is on the card and with 1/3rd of the text, while being way more complex & intelligent.
Yu-Gi-Oh is living proof of White (Askenazi) superiority to soulless Japanese bugmen
>>534142093Pretty sure troon gathering needs โum akshullyโ rules whenever speaking to someone who plays it when you misgender them
>1.5x EXP event
Yaaas sisters, time to use our 40k keys at the gate
Gonna max out all 5Ds for sure, no more box chips left
>win game with Akira Soizen
unc don't have a single good skill, what deck should I play???
>>534142093Even the creator of Yugioh admitted that MtG is much better than the watered down product he created. Imagine if you made a low effort parody of an existing professionally made card game only for it to blow up because it attracts retardeds (the mentally challenged).
>534142093
Are you rly that obsessed with MTG? Which trans/fag card from it is your favorite?
>In Magic, everything you need to know is on the card
KEKed
^seething retard
MtG has less troon cards than Duel Links has troon characters (Jaden, Jaden 2, Jaden3, Yubel, every "male" zexal character you like, the banana hair kid, the purple haired troon from Arc V).
>>534156043None of those characters are troons. Where I can google โmtg tranny cardโ and get multiple results. And itโs not headcanon either, the lore of the card is printed right on it how the โfemaleโ wizard cut off โherโ dick
>>534161623This kills the mmr schizo ....
You wish, samefaggot. Your characters, including your own favorite, is a literal troon. And there are plenty of troon cards in Yugioh too. First google result:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0GPWGHKRmk
>>534166317This kills the Latrine schizo
>534167986 >534165335
>534161623 >534161493
>534153597 >534150361
Samefag
>>534166317Nice fan theory video, retard.
Here is an official MTG troon card list btw. Alesha who Smiles at Death is a tranny
Yuma, Proud Protector is a tranny
Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis are a fag couple
Saheeli Sun's Brilliance and Huatli poet of Unity are a fag couple
Ral Zarek is married to Tomik, Wielder of Law
Halana and Alena, Partners are fag partners
Parnesse the Subtle Brush and Errant Street Artist are married
Vadrik Astral Archmage is fag
Xantcha Sleeper Agent is a tranny
And I didn't even cover those non-binary fricks.
Also every year the number of those will increase, hope you will look up for them :)
Why doesn't Konami change the stupid jewel level up rewards to box chips? It's so humiliating to go from level 35 to 36 on DSOD/5Ds and earlier characters, and get
>1
UR jewel.
>Packs left:
40
>Purchase limit left:
15
>Nadir Servants:
0
>Meanwhile?
8 Invocations, 7 Invokers, 5th Underworld Goddess
And shitloads of every amazing/rainbow card.
Should I continue the sunk cost fallacy? This is the third selection box I attempted to get Nadir from btw.
>>534180338Selection boxes are scummy anyway, wait for them to release it in main box and watch it come with some other important card you will have to dig for anyway
>today's reward is a unique card you cannot get anywhere else
Is it worth skipping gems for?
https://www.duellinksmeta.com/cards/Angraecum%20Umbrella
>female child and male child
>angry cum under umbrella
Does the boy rape the girl in this card?
>>534168685But my mmr......
https://www.duellinksmeta.com/top-decks/community-tournaments/sunday-seal-cup/43/shaddoll/%E3%81%8B%E3%82%81%E3%81%95%E3%82%93/096Ix
>THREE Damage Jugglers
Shaddoll sisters? Is unc cray cray or lit? I prefer to banish they dragon with Hollow hehe
>>534166317>schizo video with 500 viewslol
>>534184420>SpellcasterOh hey maybe you could discard and revive Performage-
>No XYZI guess it's just normal summon Black Rose Dragon or pet Fortune Lady deck
Don't worry guys the leaked Evil HEROs will bring a busted tier 0 Fiend skill that shakes up the meta by excluding Live Twins and other HEROs so it can make every single other Fiend deck meta viable
>>534236747They sure did talk to each other a few times
>>534247620No sex scene was Vrains' biggest sin.
Game's so dead nobody even cares that there is a 100% consistent FTK in the game right now
>>534256564What's the ftk sis
>>534236376Where are the leaks
>>534247620They game in vrains now.
>>534256564Source?
Decklist?
For curiosity.
>>534256564I care and thats why I don't play anymore. I just come to collect fanart
>>534290983The first skill to give you free monsters uses FTK Clock Dragon to mill the entire deck, returns Jackpot 7s with Mind August and draws them with Hiro's Shadow Scout.
So handtrap or die. For me it's Nib still being able to stop the combo.
>Master duel players who exploited the infinite event gems glitch got punished by going negative gems in the thousands
Didn't duel links let you keep the extra copies of tour guide when the bundles reset ?
>>534180338I went down to no gem packs left. Nadir? Nada. But I got a second Magical Meltdown copy, so I can have a meltie
>>534296071no, the removed the extra bundle cards if you bought any
Surely they would release monster world after dogmatika anime ends
There's a dogmatika anime?
>>534309936Monthly 6 minute shorts, they'll never make an actual yugioh anime after arc-v and vrains flopped
>>534298896I got my 3rd Small World and never looked back. 2 Meltdowns, 2 Sol and Lunas (which was supposed to become the meta BoM replacement) and 2 N'Tss with 0 Nadirs. Rather wait for Golden Sarcophogas to be released and inevitably put DMG in a Selection Box then try to get a card that actively refuses to be pulled and needs 4 different boxes for full archetypal support.
gimme some good L35+ rewards for 5Ds cgaracters or L40+ for DM/GX
already have
>DM
Atem 44
Kaiba 40
Joey 44
Mai 40
Yugi 40
Rex 40
Marik 40
Ishizu 45
Onion 40
Pegasus 44
Bonz 40
Luis & Umbrella 40
and the rest 30 with a few 35s for unique cards
>GX
Jaden 45
Alexis 40
Yubel 40
Dingleberry 40
Jaden/ 44
Jim 40
everyone else at 30 except Jizz 35
>5Ds
Yusei, Jack, Crow, green kids @35 for no reason
Carly & Akiza 40
rest 30
Who am I sleeping on
>>534326768I've seen Rex's OverTexan pterodactyl in dinos, I remember it has a QE
Double Evolition Pills from Hasselberry ia good if you want to save 1 Ranked UR ticket
Crowler has a copy of AG Box at 45 if you don't wanna use tickets
Aster has really good D.Hero cards if D.Heros ever get good fusions, keeping in mind that fucking Destiny End Dragoon is still not obtainable.
Jesse's 45 card is good for CB decks
Fiend Comedian from Sartorious could be funny if your opponent's deck relies on the grave
I don't think anyone from 5DS has good level up cards outside of their archetypes and neither Fortune Lady nor Malefics are doing anything soon
13 win streak to Legend 4 ATM, I only play ranked for the 4 daily rewards btw, would've maxed out easily if my butt didn't start to hurt from sitting at the toilet (at work, playing instead of working)
didn't even read a single card he played btw and just used Veiler on instinct and then I just score maxed on my turn
#DuelReplay #DuelLinks
https://duellinks.konami.net/att/02ebb2b6522936129f88502e62e57b1f095e114178
>>534311427>flopThe 4chan delusion about how anime works continues.
>>534290983>>534284036>>534264724There's a few variations of the ftk but
>>534296009 pretty much summed it up, Elements Unite into Block Dragon/Ancient Gear/Clock Dragon package to mill your whole deck then perform any FTK of your choice
https://youtu.be/5f784VyG6F4?si=8JfYoTTYr7eWyNHz
https://youtu.be/PLZWt36DOQQ?si=rUcVrHfIQE850SjM
>>534225935Release the sex tapes
speedroid still in meta right?
Yugioh sissies CANNOT stop taking non-stop Ls from this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLNT5I0h2Ow
>MTGA = hard but fun
>Pokemon = easy, but long and fun
>Hearthstone = braindead easy, under 6 hours
>Yugioh = hard only because of time constraints, not fun at all
Yugioh literally relies on TL;DR and lack of time given to players to create fake and gay "difficulty" stemming from shit design
Sad!
>>534347651Fuck. All thebmore reasons not to play this zombie game.
>>534363263They kneel to despia
>>534369158>Mtga>FunI bet you think cutting off your dick is fun too
Kira was supposed to be our savoir ....
Pity bump dead links general
Is this dingledangle guy really your big evil boss from the VRAINS anime? He's so shit and cringe and his monsters look like AI generated slop made before ChatGPT was real
>>534408638>your big evil boss from the VRAINS anime?No he is.
>lost my rank up to Legend 3 because I accidentally brought my Level 10 gate farm deck instead of my Sky Sissy deck
aiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
and it was a free win, my opponent had Sun God's Flare skill
gonna cry in my pillow now
>>534412612Armatos Legios printed when?
>>534408638It's actually the little purple dude who hangs around with Playmaker.
As SOL Tech continues to hunt all the Ignis, Ai starts to get pissed off watching his kin die one by one. He turns Yusaku's roomba into a real boy and they start causing trouble.
People are still playing this shit game?
>>534429781The main hurdle with introducing anyone else after Akira is that basically none of them have any of their cards printed, except for like Dinowrestlers (which are already in) and @Ignister.
>>534408638Ah yes the final boss of vrains, Akira.
>>534429781Wait, it wasn't Bulletman? I know he's the last duel before AI and joined the murder AI that lies about their cards in hand. Guess he's just like every other Kaiba.
>>534440702Yeah he's another Kaiba, up to and including his father being reduced to just an avatar like Gozaburo and Noah Kaiba
>4 days
>11 hours
>141 posts
Look again, it's actually 142 posts
>>534448159Sorry I started wage slaving too afford feeding Girag's children Aoi keeps having so I haven't been able to bump the general as much as I used to
MOKO MOKO TODAY - IMPOSSIBLE TO GET EXCEPT TODAY - would you pay 80 gems for it?
https://www.duellinksmeta.com/cards/Mokomoko
>>534466343oh shit I already took 80 gems
>>534466343Did Mokomoko, between a new card or 2 more copies of Infinite Cards and a Gravekeeper's Spiritualist it isn't a hard choice.
I have little to no intention of playing Illusions but I do like adding new cards to the collection.
>>534142093>everything you need to know is on the card
>Go first against Illusions with Sky Strikers
>Open Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror, this is going to be so funny I can't wait to do this to Despia next
>Block Berfomet, all he gets out is two monsters that I Nib with an Eagle-Booster Shizuku on field to add insult to injury. Apparently Nib even counted to revive Roze from grave, this is even better. He sets 2 backrow and I put Area Zero back to get mad draws.
>My turn, he flips over fucking Magic Deflector. Then he flips Shared Ride like a retard and negates his own spell. Then he banishes Fusions to out another Chimera on field and Illusion Magician
>Neither Area Zero nor Multirole can send Mirror or Nib for cost before negate, same story with Zeke. Raye+Roze -> Zeke who removes nothing, Zeke -> Kaina the token, HAMP the Magician, then Kaina -> Hayate and attack with her and Nib on HAMP.
>Man draws his last pathetic card, no plays left. Attacks Hayate with Chimera and puts token in Attack position.
>My turn I finally clear my board of mirror and Nib, Afterburners the token and search Linkage. Only Chimera on the field lol, I send Area Zero with Linkage.
>Nothing fucking happens.
>Read Linkage, I know I can send any card on the field for a Link...
>to the graveyard. And my Area Zero went straight to purgatory instead
>Win anyways because I had Widow Anchor.
God I love Widow Anchor, they really should unlimit it someday, preferably nect season
>>534478063>Open Shadow-Imprisoning Mirrorshow play non-fusion area, hermano
you'll see it more often, doesn't fuck over your own raye revives whillst fucking over chimera/shaddoll/despia even more, ESPECIALLY despia.
>>534481663Damn, you're right. All the decks I want to fuck over with mirror are fusion decks anyways and it stuffs Despia Maximus on Theatre or Branded in Red. And random Super Polys.
>>534471301>shitshkin cherrypickingYou can only play cards like that in tournaments, if you have Oracle text at hand, or an available judge. That's why MtG lets you play with cards in any language, unlike Yugioh which has to separate brown people from Japanese and other bug people. All the information you need to know is then still on the card.
piss off MMR schizo
trans rights are human & shark rights
trans folx are welcome here
boycott Israel, free Palestine
Latinx pride
I only spent 500 USD on this game to own Drumpf
>>534429781Reminder Revolver was right.
Best Vrains character.
>went on date with blind girl
>somehow she managed to look at me like this for almost the entire time
Decks for this feel?
stop playing shitty dating sims from 2010, crappawa redditjo was cringe from the start
>>534496206It was no dating sim, she was a real gril clicking her little stick on the ground the entire time
>>534495863Gravekeeper's. None of the girls show their eyes
>>534494192Dis nigga ran mirror force
>Go second against Legend 4 30-card Despia
>Opponent just sets 2
>Damn he must have some scary shit to not even put a fusion up
>Drew my Raye, HAMP, Vector Blast and my 1 Jamming Waves so strat is to clear backrow then skillfully luck into Linkage.
>Vector Blast Dramaturge and something I didn't check then Jam away 1 Branded in Red.
> Excavated Engage and keep getting to do my shit with no interruption, not enough for lethal so I grab Jamming to take out the other backrow and Engage search Linkage for 3 interactions on my turn.
>The mystery card is... Crackdown
>
>He goes full retard at this point. Sends Tragedy by the skill and Dark Holes after I Eagle Booster my Shizuku in the Draw Phase.
>He banishes Tragedy to set Branded in Red, too bad I set Shark Cannon to send Dramaturge to Hell2
>My turn I kill the shit out of him with 2 Linkage to spare, fully expecting to see Kiteroid in his hand
>Check his deck
>Nigga is running 3x Nib/ 3x Jizukiru/ 3x goddamn Morningstar/ 3x Mind Control/ 3x Crackdown/ and Magic fucking Cylinder
>Meanwhile he has a grand total of 7 Branded monsters, none of them Ad Lib and only one Branded Opening
I reiterate this guy is Legend 4 and running Magic fucking Cylinder.
>shit my pants at work
Decks for this feel?
>>534494192Revolver was like the last standing symbol of the passionate characters the anime used to be liked for. It kinda killed me that Vrains was able to create Revolver but still not see how dreadful some other parts of the show were
>>534529212The Tindangle archetype has a legitimately cool design. It's based on monsters from a sci-fi horror story from the 40's and the archetype's gameplay actually does a good job at referencing the abilities of the monsters from the book, with them hiding under the set cards and being at their most powerful when they can form a triangle to corner their prey (the reason for Acute Cerberus' name). It's just wasted on a really boring character and his asinine "this multidimensional horror monster represents the bond with my sister" nonsense because, unlike whoever designed the cards, the show writers didn't read the book (or any other book ever, for that matter).
>>534534413I feel like they would be seen as cooler if they were called anything else but Tindangle. Sounds like a meme name people would give as a joke
>>534535528The name could be better. That story is in the public domain, so they could have just called it Tindalos. But they have a lot working against them aside from that. The archetype is anime-bad and the character who uses it isn't memorable enough to be able to have any sort of hope of it ever getting support that can fix it. Hell the skill in DL is the brainless type that makes it trivial to summon its boss monster. But its boss monster doesn't do shit, so it doesn't matter. But it is still cool in concept, and this is still a huge waste.
>>534534413>cool card gimmick given to a dud character (or no character at all)many such cases
>>534534413The ace card outright named Cerberus and you're just ignoring how Akira's deck is mostly based on greek mythology. The interdimensional horror creatures called hounds easily connect to the 3 headed dog that guards the underworld dimension. As SOL and vrains director Akira represents Hermes the god and psychopomp who guides souls to the underworld, his deck being themed around Cerberus and similar interdimensional creatures made perfect sense, the deck was designed around the Hermes analogy. Hermes and Aphrodite had a close relationship so the connection to his sister fits into the overall theme.
>>534543375To say the least, there was a lot more to the metaphor and point of his deck than just specifically the references to the hounds of tindalos. Yugioh always goes all over the map with mythology.
>>534543679>boss monster >zero attack pointsLmao what was unc thinkin?
>>534543375It's not mostly based on Greek mythology. It's mostly based on math. The cards are named after geometric figures or other math terms and each main deck monster is supposed to represent an angle, which is why when you link 3 of them, you get a triangle: Acute Cerberus (named after an acute triangle and having 3 heads because it's made using 3 of the hounds). And the reason for all of this is that the Hounds can enter our dimension through angles and will typically wait until they can form a triangle around their prey before attacking. Cerberus doesn't even belong to Hermes, so that whole ramble about Hermes and Aphrodite seems like a stretch.
>>534563415Hermes is a god of knowledge of many kinds, math and geometry are completely in his domain and theme. He is the psychopomp that guides souls to the underworld which is another dimension by any reasonable definition. Interdimensional beasts that travel through angles are completely in theme for that analogy. As the god who guides souls to the underworld, Hermes regularly passes through Cerberus with souls of dead. Hermes was one of the gods to help Hercules capture Cerberus as one of his 12 trials. Just because Cerberus is called the "Hound of Hades" doesn't mean other gods never had any power over him. Also the word Hades is ambiguously the name of the god and another name for the underworld.
>>534565423Also there's heavy handed imagery in both of his duels. The first one is in a database with an greek orphic egg and the second one was in a database in a library both feeding into the hermes themes about knowledge.
>>534565423>This worm with a bird skull and antlers?>Obviously it represents the journey of Orpheus into Hades to find his beloved. The bird skull represents his mastery of the lyre, and birds are known for song. The antlers, which serve to attract mates, represent Orpheus' dedication to his lost love. And the worm body? Clearly it's his status as a mere mortal struggling futilely against the whims of fate.>And Hermes invented the lyre so it's another reference to him ;)Are you British by any chance?
>>534565423The thing about all of this is that even if you were correct about Akira representing Hermes (which you're not and your "proof" is flimsy at best, which is why you completely changed gears and now the archetype being about math proves it when you originally said that it was about Greek mythology), comparing his relationship with his sister to Cerberus still makes no sense.
>>534567374Britishpiper lurks here?
>>534529212For every good idea Vrains had it some of the most asinine writing Yu-Gi-Oh has ever had. Bohman spending a month fodderizing two characters just to make you think he maybe has a chance against the guy he hasn't beat once always gets me.
>daily kog rank-up street replay is aliens vs direct attackers stall
K I N O
DuelTroons troonmatching at work.
>be the KING of /dlsg/ (highest MMR ITT), formerly King of /dlg/ also
>reached KoG with a 23 win streak, managed to 1 up my winstreak record (25) from June to 26 afterwards though
>all with Nekroz, a tier "cannot even win in autoduel" deck
>Konamikike forced_loss.exe kicks in
>forced to go first with a deck that wants to go second vs a troon tiered deck that shits itself if it goes first and would get destroyed bigly if he did, even though his deck is still like 1000 tiers higher
>dumb troon literally has no clue how to play against my deck, but he just gets to win by playing cards like the drooling troon he is (complete waste of all his DD Crows)
#DuelReplay #DuelLinks
https://duellinks.konami.net/att/003b6ac86aaa75bd8a865ab161e0fb8c2e599223c3
The average /dlsg/ shitskin wouldn't even know how to play my high IQ straight White male (not a single troon in it, only White men) deck. Much less get a 26 win streak in """Legend""".
Dropping the game until September btw, don't want to see that green haired 0 rizz NPC """""big boss"""""" of VRAINS ever again, literally 99% of games were vs
>ugly green haired cunt
>diamond pig skill
and the rest were still using Marik because they were still leveling with Troon theater
Duel Troons has literally no concept of allowing diversity in its game, MTGA at its worst has about 500 viable decks you can reach at least Mythic with (and MTGA's Platinum requires objectively more skill than Duel Troons's KoG, mathematically confirmed).
>>534585180based King of /dlsg/, I kneel
180
Didn't unc confuse the 2 year old shalomdoll skill with the new one and claim it was bait to look less retarded(it failed)? What is blud waffling about.
I think that was just fanfiction from some dlsg troon who always posts it to cope with the fact that xhi will never have the King's winrate (=MMR=skill)
There're only 4 more cards for the archetype. Any month now, Misty will release and set them free. Rin and Lulu dropped essential card for their archetypes as level-up rewards so there's recent precedent
>>534595514Bloody bitch basterd saaar, Misty is my waifu I kill you bloody bitch bloody
>>534572002There was no shifting gears. Was just saying that there was layers to the ideas in akira's archetype. yugioh is more about old mythology and the name cerberus is an easy label to point that out. .
>comparing his relationship with his sister to CerberusHaven't even described how Aoi was supposed to be like Aprodite or how Yusaku was supposed to be Ares yet. The metaphors are more expansive. Was just trying to keep the post about Akira and Hermes without writing a dozen more paragraphs.
And you can't really prove metaphors and symbolism. You have to abstract from what info is given. Look at this reply
>>534567374, the audience shits on the concept on anything representing anything else without it being directly told to the audience in every single way. But they still watch fantasy cartoons made by occultist japanese writers. Like how many different major characters and monsters have to be based on greek mythology before the audience will accept the link? Are Bohman's Hydras and Typhon monsters not good enough? Is Spectre's mother tree taken from the story of Adonis too abstract? Soulburner's phoenix monsters? Armatos Legio's aesthetics should be obvious. And if I try to expand into the buddhist ideas will I have to explain Alexander The Great and the Bactrian empire too?
>>534567374Also the Orpheus and Eurydice legend is there. Playmaker reviving Blue Angel in a tomb after his first duel with Revolver isn't that hard to figure out.
>>534599481I haven't seen virual reality ains, but didn't Orpheus fail to escape with Eurydice in every single version of the tale? What, is Playmaker's emotionlessness a subversion on Orpheus' passion, so he succeeds because he lacks that weakness?
I'll make another guess: Akira being trapped by the Knights of Hanoi in vines is a subversion on Hades' marriage to Persephone, the daughter of Demeter. Instead of Hades trapping Persephone in Hades, "Demeter" captures "Hades" by exploiting his love for his sister.
Except that can't be right, because Akira is Hermes and owning the card named Cerberus in a defense-oriented deck has absolutely no correlation to the Greek god of the underworld that dogmatically enforces the rules of his realm and coincidentally rules owns a dog of the same name.
It's definitely possible to draw parallels between shit like Atem and Osiris representing death and rebirth or Aigami and Indiora showing a guy failing to reach spiritual enlightenment. You just have to make connections you can actually support instead of "yeah Hermes had a sister so Akira is him." By that logic, Akira was the Kaiba of VRAINS: Younger sibling, 3000 ATK boss monster, dead parents and CEO of a big tech company. Revolver? Never heard of him, sounds sisterless.
In the end, you're justfying the wasted potential of Tindangles by proxy of adding fake depth to Akira Zaizen
>>534604079The metaphor was pointed out over mulitple posts but you ignored it to hyperfixate on the fact that you can't handle the tindangle deck having a connection to protecting his sister.
>>534543375>>534563415Hermes is the god that guides souls to the underworld, Akira represents that by being the director of SOL and vrains which allows people cross into other worlds. Tindangles being focused on math and geometry connects to Hermes being a god of knowledge. Cerberus wasn't exclusively tied to Hades in legend and Hermes regularly guided souls past him. You're not invalidating the metaphor by focusing on the sister part. Aphrodite had an important connection to Hermes, and Hermes would often help her in love quests. Which is what Akira essentially does for Aoi by pushing her forward. Them being protective sibling is the metaphor for that bond.
I ain't reading all that unc
>>534604079As for the nitpicking that you're obviously doing for the Orpheus and Eurydice metaphor. I was focused on the hero journeying to the underworld to try to save the woman. Is the journey and struggle and the fact that he does actually deal with Cerberus not enough? By the end of episode 20, the story doesn't end with Yusaku just leaving with Aoi. Going back and forth through vrains, Battles and "deaths" happen more than once. How you want to interpret death and him leaving with her is more vague than that. As a side note this also ties to Japanese myth where Izanagi travels to Yomi to bring back Iznami. The influences are obviously there
Also, you can nitpick the hell out of Yugioh's metaphors about Egyptian mythology. Isis and Hathor are put into the same character as Anzu as some sort of mother/girlfriend combination. Horus as Yugi wasn't the main one responsible for laying Osiris to rest, he mainly avenged him by defeating Set. In legend Osiris didn't even fight Apophis as some physical human being like Atem did with Bakura. Apophis/Apep is just the serpent of darkness and death. A lot of bakura was made by blending ideas of egyptian mythology into a human figure (mixed with anime characters). And most importantly, Akhenaten was a real pharaoh of Egypt, possibly responsible for being the origin of monotheism in western religion. He didn't try to usurp the throne for his bloodline. Akhenaten and Set were the real pharaohs. Atem as a literary device was meant to insert primordial creation mythology into an epic about defeating the darkness. You can only view Akhenaten as an evil figure by seeing him as perpetuating monotheistic heresy. Metaphors and analogies by definition are imperfect. And Yugioh is based on blending mythologies and stories from so many different places. By demanding analogies and metaphor fit perfectly into your vision of what the true legends are you're negating the point of symbolism.
>>534611579>Izanagi and IzanamiI may have to watch VRAINS now that I know Playmaker will find Blue Angel so shockingly ugly he abandons her to hell while her decript Trickstars hags chase him down. I look forward to seeing hag Corobane.
Just because you can apply general patterns in legends to a TV show doesn't mean it was inspired by it, particularly when there're more immediate inspirations. Lunalights have a wolf, sheep and lion and are piloted by a child. That doesn't mean it was inspired by Isaiah 11:6 of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
>Dead scrolls
Boi reference pog
>>534611579Fuck it, I'm not done. Comparing Orpheus and Eurydice to Izanagi and Izanami is fucking retarded. The only common point between the two is a journey to hell, which is barely a surface-level observation. For all your talk of symbolism, you fail to notice the spirit of both stories are completely at odds.
Orpheus is a fool struggling against the natural cycle of life and death. His love for Eurydice blinds him to the fact that she belongs in Hades now, and her leaving is unnatural to both her soul and the world. Orpheus then dies violently after moping over his lost love. On the other hand, Izanagi sees that Izanami belongs to the world of the dead and returns to the world of the living without her, willingly. Izanami can't deal and tries to trap and ensnare him in the world of the dead, so Izanagi seals the deal by blocking Yomi with a giant boulder. Izanami vows vengeance and he spites her back, then lives his best life with his new children that become Flip monsters.
But I'm sure that's all very subtly referenced in the top-right corner of Tindangle Dholes.
>>534613682>metaphors and analogies are only possible if I see them fitting my perfect view of a legend.>>534616641>Fuck it, I'm not done. Comparing Orpheus and Eurydice to Izanagi and Izanami is fucking retarded. The only common point between the two is a journey to hell, which is barely a surface-level observation. For all your talk of symbolism, you fail to notice the spirit of both stories are completely at odds.Comparative mythology is always like this. It's about archetypes and finding the commonalities. You can't see yugi as osiris or horus without acknowleding archetypes. Man journeying into hell to save his love is a notable point of comparison on its own. As for your interpretation of orpheus and eurydice, there's no truly set version of events. old legends were told again and again slightly changing with different meanings applied, and ideas of gods punishing and rewarding mortals varied from storyteller to storyteller. Major poets of greek mythology like Homer, Hesiod, Ovid lived hundreds of years separate from each other and each had different view of man positon the gods. Then of course a lot of these legends were matters of cult worship and may have symbolized forms of religious practice. A character like Orpheus could have been a real person mythologized after death.
>>534620716Yugi watching tea get her guts absolutely destroyed by girag axel and Johny steps
>>534609116I don't have a long enough lifespan to pick apart every single point where you're reaching hard to try to fit a circle in a square peg. I'd say that you're missing the forest for the trees, but it's more like you're missing the forest and the trees and are standing in a parking lot yelling at a sign that reads "parking lot" that it's wrong and it's a forest.
Regardless of all this nonsense or what you choose to believe that the card actually is, taking a monster based on something cool and having the character go "this represents my bond with my sister" completely ignoring the nature of the monster itself is lazy, generic anime tripe and does nothing to sell anyone on the idea that the deck is cool or unique in any way. So I still blame the VRAINS writing team for wasting its potential by giving it to Akira. Akira represents a wet blanket.
>>534624838You don't get it, Hermes is a god of knowledge, so he knows about wetness. Just like the times he fucked a twink Hermaphroditus and gigachad Priapus into Aphrodite's womb, visualized as Base Gardna.
>>534624838None of it is reaching. Yusaku represents Ares with his code talker knight cards Aoi presents Aphrodite with her idol and mermaids. Emma represents Hekate with her witches. Understanding metaphors often requires extended knowledge beyond the story. It can't be pretended the Greek mythology elements aren't there. There's too many monsters and concepts that exist in name. It's just the analogies require more thought to connect. Which is what vrains always emphasized, connection. The geometric interdimensional monsters are completely in theme with Hermes and Akira.
>>534626802I wonder if we could find a myth where Hermes fails horribly at his job as a Chief of Security, gets fired, gets hired again for some reason, fails so hard this time that his boss fucking dies, and then gets promoted to his boss' position as a reward for his continued failure. Greek mythology is fascinating.
>>534626961>Emma assGod damn that's a good ass shot there. I want to grab it.
>>534627565>gets hired again for some reasonProbably no one new wanted to work at SOL from how shit they were at managing Link Vrains. It got hacked basically once per day.
>>534633031Emma's is better.
>>534633032I don't see why anyone would not want Akira's job. His job was precisely to prevent Link Vrains from getting hacked and it got hacked constantly and with disastrous consequences and now he's CEO. I don't know anything about server security and I'm pretty sure I could do just as well as he did. It's even more hilarious with how the DL event shows him refusing to go to a meeting (you know, his job) and saying how much he trusts his employees to do their job without him moments after entrusting the protection of Link Vrains to a couple of users instead of the security department of his company. Gotta say, the DL writing team really nailed his character. This is exactly what I would expect from him.
>>534626961I 'member Ares' signature dragon that got b& irl when he kept looping it on Hephaestus.
>idols and mermaids = AphroditeAll her idols are based on flowers. I'd honestly say comparing Akira and Aoi to Hades and Persephone is far more apt. Especially with how Akira is overprotective of Aoi and physically refuses to let her leave her room that one time. Her returning to life would be far more appropriate in relation to Persephone's return to the living each year than Aphrodite sprouting out of the sea foam or some shit.
>Emma represents HekateHer "witches" are ghosts and apparitions, specifically seductive female spooks and some goddesses. Hextia's pronunciation is closer to Hestia in English and Japanese. The theme of her whole deck is a play on the "ghost in the machine" phrase. The only connection I can really see to Hecate specifically is the fact that Hecate is associated with travel and crossroads, and hackers look for backdoors exploits and unsecured ports.
I have no issue with drawing parallels between myths and anime. I have issue when you ignore the obvious parallels and take a crooked, bent line and pretend it "symbolically" is a parallel. Sherry has Noble Knights, but her inspiration is obviously Jeanne. Drawing comparisons to Arthur's court based on the Noble Knight's Spearholder would be disingenious at best, just like comparing Akira to Hermes when the parallels to Hades are distinctly obvious.
babymaking sexo with Ghost Gal
>>534643192Emma only has sex with shotas.
>>534649224>Avatar Emma >No elf ears
>>534637747Emma's ass is better than Emma's you say
Sex with computer programs
>>534639186Can't exactly dispute some of your interpretations, the symbolism of a lot of these gods has crossover as there was always syncretism (god switching names and cults converging) within greece and outside with egypt and the middle east. Will say, the interpretations I used for these characters were much more in line with seeing Yusaku as mainly a form of Ares or Hercules, Ai as a form of Eros(cupid), and Aoi as Aprhodite. There's symbolism of many more deities stacked on top of them. Especially Japanese and Buddhist ones.
Saw Aoi as mostly associated with the Sky, the Sea, Bees, And mermaids which are all heavily associated with Aphrodite. Her association to her Yusaku and Ai was built from that. Aoi taking on a type of role like Eurydice early on could also easily be seen as her being like Persephone. Speculated that Miyu was supposed to be more representative of Persephone as she was actually taken by Hanoi in the anime's story. And perhaps that was reflective of Aoi's character through Aqua. Also the moon symbolism they throw on to Aoi could probably connect her to Selene or Artemis.
Can see where you got the idea of Akira being like Hades, and yeah the symbolism probably is there to an extent, especially his wealth. It's just that Revolver seemed more like Hades from the fact that he was much more heavily associated with death and judgment through his deck of rokkets, turned vrains into hell on his first appearance in the anime, trying to blow up everything, and his consistent opposition to Ai. Ryoken even held Aoi's data/soul like Hades would. Everything about his character in the anime is about death and despair. Him ultimately being friends with yusaku would be corresponding to respect between Ares and Hades and their association to war. It's admittedly more about the position of his character to Playmaker.
duel links? fuck it this place is dead anyway
>>534659651Fuck you too, buddy.
I FUCKING HATE THE THEATER NIGGERS SO MUCH
YESTERDAY I LOST THREE TIMES IN ROW WHEN I WAS ABOUT TO HAVE LETHAL JUST BECAUSE OF TIMEOUT
JUST NOW I WON VERSUS ANOTHER BRAINDEAD THEATER NIGGER WITH ONLY 20 SECONDS LEFT AND ALL HE HAD WAS SOME DISABLED FIELD SPELL AND A SPECIAL SUMMONED SHIT DRAGON THAT WOULD DIE 20 DIFFERENT WAYS BUT HE STILL KEPT INTERRUPTING MY TURN EVERY 3 SECONDS UNTIL I SUMMONED CONSTRUCT
WHY AM I PUNISHED FOR SOMEONE ELSE GRIEFING MY TURN
um sis? did you just use the hard R N-word in a general that's 98% PoC?
>>534662536Just play chimera it's an auto win
What are the best cards to trigger Titan Showdown (Rex's skill that makes him deal double damage if he has less than half HP and dinosaurs) for fast Level 10 gate farming (other than Psychic Blade, already have 3 of them). Something that the auto duel can play.
Instead of getting new and ever shittier avatars, Aoi's development should have been shown through a change of hairstyle.
so if I'm a new player, it's a safer bet to go all in on the latest set? I kind of want older cards but could they at least make them tradeable or free once in a while somehow?
>>534681358If you're a new player, best thing you can do is uninstall this turd and play literally any other "card game" gatcha. This is the worst one by far
>>534684491Besides maybe master duel it's probably one of the better ones though
>>534684491I like how there's a story mode and you can battle enemies from the anime so I'm staying for now. I tried master duel but it has no story
>>534681358Despia and Ra want some cards from older boxes to reach their full power. Branded cards go as early as Majestic Magic and Darklords need the fusion from Starving Venom. Meanwhile Ra asks for URs from Phoenix Blaze, but it's a very linear gameplan.
Adamancipator is pretty complete but combos with generic Links or Synchros, and all of the Sky Striker cards are in older boxes from Striker Expansion onwards.
Illusions are pretty good though and all you really need are the cards in this box. Some other easy decks are Sexosisters from the History of the Victors Mini Box and Dragonmaids from Rainbow Overdrive.
You can exchange 100 Box Tokens for any card from any box before 2020 and boxes over 2 years old (last I checked, Shining Sunrise and older) go on half-price gem sales when Selection Boxes are available.
Selection Boxes make or break your dreams. You either build Rokkets/Borrel/Trains/Kozmo effortlessly or end up with a full Prediction Princess deck.
>>534680987Center low is the best by far.
>>534700753.....on planet homo in the faggot universe
>>534688805This doesn't really have a story either, though. Every event is a character showing up, everyone going "Hey, it's that guy!" and then everyone goes back to roaming around while repeating the same dialogue over and over like ghosts trapped in limbo forever.
>>534704198Duel links is fixing arc v and giving vrains a season 4 tho
>>534707830The only thing the Arc-V world has done in the 4 years it's been around has been bringing back "dead" characters at an absolutely glacial pace and every event feels the same. Vrains has spent 3 years with characters saying that they need to figure out what Duel Links really is with no payoff. That's a S4? Isn't 3 years about how long the original airing of the actual Vrains anime took? They're never going to go anywhere with this. At this rate it's going to take them like 3 more years just to get to Lighting. The end of civilization will happen before there's a satisfactory conclusion to any of these plot points.
>>534713553Blame flush for slowing everything down
You know what I just got? I thought Tindangle was a stupid name because I read it as Tin-dangle, like dangling my sack in your mouth. When really itโs Tind-angle, angle because they are triangle themed
>>534735729If they are triangles why do all of them have spheres or some other rounded edge common to all of them, contrary to the description of the Hounds of Tindalos?
I know it's because the only thing Konami designers can add to a monster to fill negative space is orbs. I just hate it because it clashes with the core visual theme of this archetype more than random orbs infecting Odd-Eyes and Stardust like tumors.
>>534736716I got a triangle in my pants right now you know what Iโm saying?
I been here for 13+ years and I've never bothered to learn how to spoiler, decks for this feel?
>>534707830making dead characters alive because the ""fanbase"" is full of crybaby tumblrtards =/= fixing
If these kids who cry about it were alive during GX days, I bet they would cry over Prof Banner dying and becoming a ghost for the rest of his life too.
Based Arc V staying true to consequences instead of giving in to muh revival nonsense.
>>534746823>Based Arc V staying true to consequences instead of giving in to muh revival nonsense.based retard
>>534716910Fair enough. But what about the 7 years before Sevens world was added? Couldn't they advance the plot in that time?
>>534751378Other actual yugioh worlds were being added though. If flush 1 and 2 weren't added we'd probably be done with zexal and wrapping up with arc v by now.
>>534751910Wrapping up towards what? 5D's and Zexal started out with plots revolving around Duel Links and eventually they gave up and started re-enacting the anime. 5D's did its finale twice already and the last Zexal event was a recap of the Girag and Alito events that were already recaps of the anime plot. There's no way anyone actually believes that the "plot" of Duel Links matters or that it's going anywhere.
The first girl I ever had sex with messaged me recently and asked me after a few messages if I'd be okay with fucking her while her bf watches. Decks for this feel?
>>534704198>>534713553>>534746823Duel links is just a gacha game. Shows like ARC-V and VRAINS are basically concluded. I doubt shueisha executives even give a damn enough to get new yugioh anime going with their focus on new shit and the state of the industry in the face of insane demand. I wouldn't wait for an actual ending to come out of something like duel links of all places.
>>534684491Eh. Master Duel is too long. Magic is too long+ a fuckton of bodies to deal with. Shadoba is too p2w.
At least duel links is anime-like which is also its own con. Cause when everybody's the protag, then no one is. In other words, press yellow button win.
>>534755682Yeah, that's exactly it. It's a game that you play if you like the anime characters and want to play as them with their anime decks with all the voice lines from their VAs from the anime. Clearly, it's not a game that you play for the overarching storyline because after almost 9 years, I think it's safe to say that they're never going to do anything with it. They could have done like they do in DBZ games and introduce new villains and crossover storylines. But they've had years to do it and they haven't done it. So I don't think they ever will. And even if they do, there's no way whatever they write could be good enough to justify spending 9+ years building up to it.
>>534688831thanks, I just went all in on the latest box and then made a despia and a nice adamancipator deck. I don't have enough gems to get the whole box yet so I guess I'll go for all the UR cards and then reset for copies? or is it better to try another box if I don't have anything from there?
>>534748805yeah Yuzu, a single girl after tons of effort, where in Zexal everyone and their moms got revived at the end and all became good guys at that.
>>534787102Isn't she 4 for 1. Pretty good deal
>>534748805Something about Arc-V's ending felt really wrong and uncanny, like they were saying "Just be happy and don't think about the people who got fucked in the process"
>>534803690When do i get this much pocket change?
>>534649224Link VRAINS should be age restricted to protect them from her
>>534831680Duel links beta....home......
I want to smell Chloe's shoes soooooo bad ToT
Any Ra bros here? How's the deck into Despia and Chimera? What is gameplan against them?
>>534839209>What's gameplan Scoop lamo
>>534839209Those decks are capable of body blocking during the battle phase so there's really nothing you can do about that without the right non-engine. Especially not against Chimera with it's monsters that are indestructible by battle.
What's the TL;DR on chimera? What is the most important thing to hit with veiler or droplet?
I have literally not seen a single chimera player in Legend so far, the only time I get to play against chimera is bronze/silver/gold Vagabonds for some reason. Why is Chimera popular exclusively with lower rank players?
>>534839587Would 4 removal from Immortal Phoenix not be enoughvs Chimera? I faced 0 Chimera so idk.
I won all matches agaisnt Despia going 2nd so far, but I opened non-engine. Skill rly helps to get some LP back from all those burns
>>534840185It's cheap af, but a bit harder to learn imo
LP burn halved before KoG in September btw
>>534840216Immortal Phoenix isn't a quick effect so you can only use it in the main phase. It doesn't matter if you out their board in the main phase. They can just use Berfomet and/or Chimera King in the graveyard in the battle phase to stop you from killing them. Also Chimera can use Abyss Dweller to stop you from going into Phoenix to begin with.
>>534840749So I guess D.D crow+ droplet or Scoop, thanks
How many gems have you earned during this 1.5x XP event?
I levelled at least 5 characters so far from Level 30 to Level 44 or 45. Had to spend about 5000 gems on trash I don't need (random special single card deals, Sky Sister Box, selection box that gave me nothing I wanted), because I get triggered when I see low gems in the red notification at 9999.