Thread 534024463

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>What... is this?
Put simply, a simulation of Pro Evolution Soccer being competed between teams which are embodiments of boards of the 4chan imageboard. The players represent facets of each board's culture. All of the matches are AI versus AI. However, humans "manage" each team, creating their tactics and giving input during games as they happen to make substitutions and tactical changes as they see fit.
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/FAQ

>Where can I watch the cup?
https://isthisliv.com/4cc/stream.html

>Current Cup
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/2025_4chan_Summer_Cup

>Upcoming Invitationals
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Gens%C5%8D_Cup_2
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//ag/_League_9:_Faggots_at_the_Bar

>Wiki:
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Main_Page

>Sekkrit Code
37pebis

>DLC Password
divegrass

>Booru
https://isthisliv.com/booru/

>Other videos
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Videos

>PES Info
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Pro_Evolution_Soccer_2017

>Round of 16
/b/ - /cm/
/his/ - /pol/
/biz/ - /wsg/
/pw/ - /r9k/
/fit/ - /tg/
/vt/ - /vm/
/sp/ - /tv/
/trv/ - /v/

>Previously
shitposting
Why did you copy /kfg/?
PES 15 SLOPBALL REVEALED
just run trackback bro
4cc locked into this PES for a year LMAO
GIT GUD sacked???

PES 15 sucks.

KEKYPOW, I absolutely enjoy watching the other team dominate possession for most of the game without ever letting us have a chance at the ball! Reminds me of the time I watched my wife with her boyfriend!

Most resentment for specific PES versions comes from the circlejerk and from the manager's hurt feelings, not from the spectator's point of view. When you prioritize managers the fun suffers.

>>534025163
this is why we need 16

>>534025163
Since people is having fun with 17 we should stay on it.

>>534025163
If we're prioritizing spectators logically shouldn't we be going to the PES with the greatest aesthetic capabilities?

>>534025163
The only exception to this is 18 which sucks technically, aesthetically, for the managers and in general.
>>534025267
21 it is then.
>>534025259
Basically.

>>534025267
Prioritizing spectators means picking the PES with the best gameplay, not the best aesthetics.

>>534017662
Yeah, that template is ancient and not supported by the current compiler. I'll update it in a few hours and let you know.

>>534025453
18 is aesthetics-wise identical to 19 and 21.

>>534026234
Thanks, I'll try to make them again tonight then

>>534026330
18 has some other minor tech problems afair, poor resource utilization and stuttering, nvidia not working right, and in general less funny goal animations than 21.

>>534026096
17 is the best viewer experience btw
16 close second.

>>534032570
>16 close second.
how do you watch divegrass when you have no eyes?

>>534030378
I think the game had no major technical issues when not running eye cancer stadiums like Deep Divegrass
Source: ran the game on a 1060.

>>534034254
the average retard craves the goalslop

>>534034590
>>534034254
I want to watch GOALS and MEMES
not some manager 4deep4you shit for 90mins

>>534034590
>>534036959
Goals are great when you only watch yourteam's match, but when every match has 9 total goals it wears on the patience of the people watching the whole day.

>>534037968
Yeah there's got to be a good mix, goalfests lose their luster when it's the only kind of match we get it becomes monotonous. Same for low scoring manager chess matches.

16 has a lot of goals but it wasn't that bad to watch last summer cup, and that was with Sou's retarded ruleset. Like if you see the scorelines the only ridiculous one was /v/ vs /tg/.

I'm convinced the people who like 16 don't care about divegrass and just want to hear a random playlist

>>534046421
i always thought that's why the VTL uses it

>>534046421
That's most of the viewers desu. They aren't here because they like football they like memes playing football. This goes for any version of the game not only 16.

>>that's most viewers
>keeps being last place in PES polls

>>534048001
The average viewer doesn't even vote in those polls.

I wanna milk a woman

I want a woman to milk me

The "average viewer" is the "modern audience" of divegrass

The "15 fan" is the "bejitabro" of divegrass

goo goo babies

>>534048001
That's 21

I like all PES :)

men were made to be milked by twinks

>>534051462
gold shipfag btw

>>534049210
The modern audience are comfyniggers and VGLcord fags. As in they are the most vocal minority

>>534051698
I don't play kancolle or azure lane, faggot.

For me it is Cleveland

>>534055094
Yeah, The Cleveland Show is surprisingly good. Season 4 went off the rails and made it too Family Guy-esque, but it's better than the other MacFarlane projects in those first 3 seasons.

>>534055094
I went to Cleveland one time and there was an absurd amount of black people.

https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/2025_4chan_Summer_Cup_Fantasy_Football
https://isthisliv.com/ff

>>534056320
>bottom 3 not counting the 0 point teams
is it time to kill myself?

New

>>534058338
top of the gamecube

>>534058338
I thought she was a futa

>>534062562
stonetoss has lost the plot. what's the joke???

>>534065214
why isn't there more porn of this girl. She was made for porn.

>>534065518
You tell me

>>534056320
>2nd place carried by the silvers
>my golds did fuck all
Thank you jaypee, very cool.

https://files.catbox.moe/0wnaec.mp4
Starting
/vm/ GK DOOR STUCK
/vm/ CB /doko/
/sp/ CB Ngubu
/trv/ CB wtf India looks like this???
/pol/ DMF Laineyball
/sp/ CMF My Reffies :)
/r9k/ CMF Maidcore
/vm/ AMF Rigged Polls
/pol/ SS Moonman
/biz/ CF Bogged (V)
/sp/ CF TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU (C)
Bench
/b/ GK Fuckin' Saved
/his/ CB Decisive Tang Victory
/pw/ CB You Tell Me
/trv/ CMF [Place], Japan
/fit/ CMF Rippletits
/pol/ CF Epstein Never [REDACTED] Himself

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>>534065518
BEE

Hello has git gud been decommissioned yet?

You now remember git rud

Keep Git Gud, but put him on his hands and knees like Zero Sanity for Autumn so it looks like he's begging for forgiveness

/vg/ fans are so vocal about removing git gud because there is no such thing as getting good in a gacha

>>534067365
Give him an eyepatch and call him punished git gud

Make Git Gud wear cool glasses and a shirt and try to make him talk like a zoomer.

/vg/ be like
>git bad
because the team sucks ass since 2022

>>534065623
Anal sex

>>534068297
I second this. All Git Gud needs is a 2025 rebrand

>>534069490
best post ITT

>>534068297
Call him Git Ryzz or Git Aura

Git Gud looks worse than he plays

>>534069970
He is kinda boring looking desu.

>>534069970
>>534070407
bejitabro btw

>>534070432
Bejita bros want new thread back.

>>533987281
too bad limbab was asleep so he couldn't kekfarm this

#Vtuber #Vsinger

/vg/ medal line-up after VGL25:
>git gud
>jack frost
>wegh
>leomon

Git Gud has had a long career, and he's too old and busted to handle the schedule of playing both babbies and elites. Thankfully, /vg/ management have just signed his younger brother, Shit Gud, to handle all babby cups so Git Gud can save his knees for the elites.

>>534024463 (OP)
>87% possesion
I don't see what the issue is, PES15 really is the patrician choice for the cup moving forward.

cloud

>>534071664
>retarded formations score

>>534071664
>/4ccg/ elite

>>534071664
>/trash/ /zzz/bro
>aoba single
>ok /kfg/
>/b/ dear
>rance completely striker
>makes defender retard
>kekypow played
Now that's a player I want to see for /vg/.

>>534071664
>managers better play medals
Thank you cloud

>>534076247
Rape

What's your favorite military song /4ccg/?
Mine's "Wo Alle Straßen Enden", up to the point I keep humming it when I go on walks.

>>534076404
when johnny comes marching home

>>534071664
>less boring cups

>>534076292
The tsugu has been raped for 7 years

>>534077091
Wow, that's 26 years less than Kevin Nash.

2hu cup might have just fixed how to make unpatched 19 the highest goal average PES, mandatory all orange conditions

zoer life with a zoer wife

>>534077839
How is that going

>>534077951
she’s very attentive but tries too much, she should take breaks with me on her lap

Do manlets really?

https://www.landofmemory.eu/en/temoignages/fort-eben-emal-a-fatal-soccer-game/

/k/ stadium when?

/v/ has taken /vg/'s place as the luckshitter that boringly stays elite
/vg/ has taken /vp/'s place as the constant yo-yo
/vr/ has taken /v/'s place as the babby team that sometimes looks good
/vp/ has taken /vr/'s place as the fetus-babby yo-yo
The vidyas all work in cycles

https://rankpoll.me/RmeCSswjgn0
@everyone this poll closes by the start of the final day of Summer and also laventale is a gigantic faggot

>>534081604
how will the koreans vote for this? 21 is probably their nostalgia pes but 17 got a /lcg/ star

Lemon's tomboy tanlines.
[Choose File]

Remember to vote for 21 to make horsefuckers seethe so if the VGL does the 4CC goes back to 21 after one cycle on a rushed and unready 15 causes a return to fox

>>534081604
>15 losing bigly
kekypow

>>534083136
>if the VGL does the 4CC goes back

>>534081604
Where is the kill git gud option

>>534081604
what did lav do now

>>534083136
>4ccKWAB
Enjoy a year of PES 15 loser.

No tendies on my plate

17babs already botting the fuck out the poll for more shit quality slop like Summer has been

21 newfags deserve to get shot

>15kwab
>17bab
>21fag
shut up
shut the fuck up
just shut up with your shitty console war bullshit I don't give a shit

>>534084616
Worked into a shoot

>>534084616
finna seethe?

I don't know what I love more, pes 21 or...

a trustworthy source has informed me aoba will be adding sex and ntr to pes

>>534085128
shid, i was planning on doing that

>>534085128
which version? which es version is going to be the official ntr version?

>>534081604
>69 votes already
why is this public again

FUCKING KYS 21TROONS

>15 losing bigly
>4CC forcing a 15 move
ohhhh man

>21 losing even harder now even with the 30 samefag aoba votes
KEKAROO

>>534086149
the wool is no longer over people's eyes anymore

>19 winning
19 wins and reso shoots himself live on stream

>>534086391
I think he'd be fine if they bury the italian patch into the ground at the same time.

>>534086391
I don't understand why people already want it back after it was just overdone to death

>>534086487
I'm assuming we are going back to vanilla if 19 wins.

>>534086391
>21 and 19 both have twice as many first place votes than 19
What kind of retarded system is this?

>>534086391
reso is a shit manager on any PES, what is so special about 19

>>534086786
Here's an explanation, if you think you can handle it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_pairs#Example

>>534087318
Just remember we are doing all of this shit just because 21 fags couldn't cope with losing and now it is losing to fucking 19

>>534087449
I always assume it's the opposite of what is claimed here

>>534087449
No it's because we realized the original poll should've been ranked

>>534087449
It's proving them right though, the first one was botted to save 17, now 17 is losing to 19 that was third before

>21 and 19 fags always at each other's throats and calling each other bots
>the actual bots were the 17 voters
>and no one actually wants 15

>17, 19 and 21
This sounds alright for VGL cycles regardless of placement to me. 15 is a meme.

>have been learning aesthetics for 17
>""people"" want to go back to fox PES
I'm going to chimp out if I have to redo everything before I can use it once because some Thai ladyboy wants animated textures and slightly different shaders

>>534027905
It's up, sorry it took me so long. Make sure the zip you're grabbing has v2 on it, if it doesn't then please let me know what wikipage you got it from.

Did any of the teams on FAGS have Luna as a player?

17keks on their way to winning KWABoTY 2025

VGL clearly needs to do the follow:
25 - 21
26 - 21
27 - 19
28 - 19
29 - 15
XXX - 15 or 16 if 15 is just trash

>>534090254
15 and KWABmin have it locked.

>>534090413
25 - 19
26 - 19
27 - 21
28 - 21
29 - 19
XXX - 16
31 - 17
32 - 17

>>534090413
VGL XXX is when the sex animations get added

>bot the original poll
>screech for weeks about 17 how won bigly
>go all out shilling for 17 and against 21
>bot the poll until you run out of votes to supress 21
>lose to 19
K W A B 1 7

>>534090516
19 was too recent two seasons ago, even if 19 wins this is a clear win for fox and should be 21 for a cycle or two (one if 25 burns out loads of people the feedback from 25 is 21 is shit) then two or three cycles of 19

>>534090705
21 is losing bigly still

>>534090886
and 17 is losing bigly to 19 that was third in the original poll lmao

>even 18 over 15
I know this is for VGL but there is enough of an overlap to question wtf admin is doing

>even if 19 wins this is a clear win for 21
21 fags are deadass retarded

>>534091037
>this is for VGL
Literally got posted on /4ccg/ during a 4cc cup

>>534091165
>every time 21 or 19 takes the lead suddenly more votes appear for 17
couldn't be more obvious it's being botted

>>534091289
Take your second L with some grace.

>21cuck samefagging about 17 losing
I don't care what wins as long as it's not 21.

>more poll autism
Denko should have used a google doc and rigvote so the results are hidden

>>534091175
Only a concern if it has significantly more votes than the VGL feedback
>>534091037
I saw those two games posted earlier and immediately dropped 15 down

>>534091520
You really expected him to use his brain for this?

>>534091417
17bab...

>>534091520
The website had a "Results visibility" option so he thought the results would stay hidden, but he probably didn't read the choices.

17babs can't stop botting this every time their precious dumpster fire falls behind another PES, might as well start calling them 17jeets

18bros...

21simps can't handle the heat it seems. Weird because they live in the jungles of South East Asia.

>21 stops getting botted when it's time to go to sleep for SEA
kekaroo

>>534091968
Or maybe he thought "Visible after voting" meant "after the poll has been closed". The website doesn't have a button for closing a poll, though.

SAAARS PLEASE REDEEM THE PES 17, GAMEPLAY VERY GOOD, NOT BROKEN, FRIDAY NEVER HAPPEN SAAR

VGL is never gonna leave 17 at this rate

20000 more posts saying "PES X fags are the worst and here is why"

>>534093204
VGL viewers at this point functionally retarded. I hope their entire next league on 17 is all as good as 24's final was and Denko has formation bans or nerfs on 433 exports just to rub their noses in it because they deserve it if they keep voting for this utter trash.

17 is going to win just by virtue of not having the permanent haters that 16, 19, and 21 have

Your final was absolute hot flaming dog shit, your team got relegated from Summer and you still want this absolute slop?!

I redeemed 17

17 is good if you allow height abuse: FACT!

PES 17 allows you to run anything

>>534094143
So then everyone just runs 433 height abuse langball, well done playing yourself

I chose 17 because its the most enjoyable to watch

I accidently voted 15 because I didn't realize you had to drag the options

id like 16 or 19
fine with 17 as long as there will be some changes to make langball less desirable
21, 18, 15 can go suck a dick

I chose 17 because I have literally zero faith in my manager on any other version of the game.

my manager fucktoy lost in 17 many times, so i'm voting for any other version but that one

>>534094760
>make langball less desirable
That's just not happening. You'd have to make CBs 240cm tall and still they wouldn't able to prevent strikers heading the ball down and back to another striker to bloot it from outside the box. Lang is just the way to play 17, that's why it got massively nerfed in newer installments never buffed again.

>17keks insisting they aren't botting or rigging the poll
explain this then

>>534095007
ban the fucking slider option then.

>>534095048
explain what?

>>534095260
Nah every time you ban something managers bitch for the entire tournament

>>534095048
>15 not 1st on last place
yeah, rigged as fuck

>>534095048
If anything that's PES19keks rigging the poll
>>534095260
Yeah, because the last time we banned the most popular/viable tactic everything went right and no one complained.

>>534095360
21 and 17 are tied for 1st on 28 votes, 15 and 18 are clearly the least popular, but somehow 21 has the most votes for last place

>>534095516
21 is not as popular as you think

>>534095657
Why is it in first then for first preferences?

>>534095749
21bots

>>534095749
because the votes are botted for 21

>>534095516
I would take 18 over 21 in a heartbeat and I voted 21 last. Get fucked.

>>534095516
21 sucks and I put it last because it sucks. cope and seethe.

[Pride News] L'brontale came out.

90 votes seems a little high

>>534095516
>>534095657
fellas fellas something can be divisive without it being due to botting

I don't get the desire for a 4-3-3 or long ball ban.

>>534096162
Denko @'d everyone in the VGL server with the poll so you have all of Asia voting in it.

>>534095997
I'm a faggot for tomboys and girls with spats.

>>534096162
Don’t point that out

>>534096607
holy fucking CRINGE!!!!! KILL YOURSELF!!!

>>534096607
Finally something we can agree on.

>>534096607
>I'm a faggot...
yes, we know

>>534097362
i think i won't

>>534024463 (OP)
We should do a 4CC on a PS1 or PS2 Winning Eleven title at some point.

>>534098639
21fags are desperate as FUCK! Falseflagging as managers in generals they don't even use, sad!

>>534096607
I owe you an apology, I wasn't really familiar with your game

>>534098639
how sad can people be to false flag in someone's general?
like jesus christ

>>534098639
This is why you shouldn't vote for 17 or 21, vote for 19 and punish these faggots

>>534098639
>advocating for cancer just so he can sniff r16 again because he's well and truly given up on 17
bro...

Time to tell the hoyo generals to vote for PES15

If 17 is still in the lead on Sunday, I'm unironically just going to pay some pajeets to dump a 100 votes on 18 lmao

>>534098639
jesus christ dude what's wrong with you

>>534099131
based!

>>534098639
>Pretending to be Reso
21 fags are so sad

>>534098639
>Pretending to be 21 fag pretending to be Reso
anti-21 fags are so sad

>>534098757
International Superstar Soccer Deluxe

>>534098639
>make post in /akg/
>then proceed to show post here to go AHHAHAHAHA LOOK AT [X]FAGS TRYING TO CHEAT
Devilish

>>534098639
>Pretending to be an anti-21 fag pretending to be a 21 fag pretending to be Reso
Reso is so sad

just fucking roll a d6 or something idfk

We NEED the wheel of PES.

>>534102178
This but you spin a wheel to see what each weekend of a cup will be played on so you could end up playing 3 or 4 different PES versions in a single cup.

>>534101331
anti-21 fags are deranged, even fucking false flagging generals to make 21 look bad

It's already over.

>>534103937
anti18bots working overtime kek

>>534104049
18 will surge right before the poll closes and gio will behead everyone who mocked him

I honestly have no opinion on any PES that's not 17 or 19 since I've never seen a game on any other PES.

>>534098639
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/222378191/#q222379961

>>534098639
Getting 0 replies in a thread that loves divegrass is a generational falseflagging fumble.

>>534103937
because 17keks are fucking cheating cunts

>>534104717
problem?

>>534104295
Plot twist: They were all here already.

I want PES15, 16, or 18 just to fuck over every newfag manager.

VGLco need to re-run this without showing results, it's so obvious and clearly being botted everything something that isn't 17 goes ahead and then 5 new votes appear with 17 in 1st and 21 in 6th

>>534105131
This is the dumb part. Not showing the results until everything is done is like polling 101.

>>534105131
running a VGL only poll that isn't ranked and then running an open to everyone ranked poll where results are visible were certainly two choices they made

>>534105131
>run poll again without showing results
>nothing changes because it gets botted for 17 again

>>534105354
>VGL only poll that isn't ranked
When did that happen?

>>534105481
it was part of the VGL feedback form

>>534105436
run it again so whoever is making new accounts every time 17 drops behind can't see 17 drop behind and it won't happen

>>534105543
>implying they won't keep botting once in a while just in case

vtl won
vgl lost

He should just poll the managers in private at this point.

>>534103937
21 fags keep losing bigly. Start learning VTL buddy.

>>534105768
This should be the case. The mass viewers really don't care about the versions of PES. They're there for their generals and will just have fun with that. Most of them probably don't even notice unless it's something really egregious.

How many more hours are we going to be schizoing out about polls and pes versions

>>534106376
Yes

21 mindbreaking the schizos so hard they can't stop botting the votes against, easy KWABoTY material

I want to return to shitting on git gud

>>534106376
I would say until this website shuts down but it would continue on another chan or in a 'cord.

VGLco have fucked this up so badly they should end the poll now, it's not even hidden how obvious it's being brigaded now it's almost overtaken the feedback form in number of overall votes, on a midweek offseason Tuesday afternoon

BAH GAWD IT'S 16 WITH THE STEEL CHAIR

dear oh fucking dear, there's no cope anymore.... it's over

>>534107092
STOP THE DAMN MATCH

>>534107092
Just end the vote already it's pointless even having this when it's so clear the 21 haters are absolutely mindbroken

>>534107331
you are so raped dude

Why did 21 lose in the marketplace of ideas?

Good faith question for 21fags: what patch would you want to be used if 21 won?

>>534107501
what by probably less than 10 asshurt faggots who voted multiple times just because they can't handle 21 again
>>534107664
it lost in the market of asshurt faggots who vote multiple times because they got raped in 18 or 19

>vote on a Tuesday in offseason has in less than 4 hours as many votes as feedback form on final day with viewers around
Great fucking job you're doing Denko, unless VGLco are the ones just botting this?

>>534107939
huh? why would people that got raped in 18 or 19 vote against pes 21? wouldn't they vote FOR 21?

>>534108250
in vgl 18 and 19

>>534108226
Feedback poll wasn't pinging everyone, this did.

>>534108554
It was linked on the stream all day

>>534108484
>>534106497
kek

>>534107939
Should I be assuming you voted with like 5 different accounts for 21 because your team did well on it and is now getting raped? This reeks of projection.

Melty in the 'g

anti-tachyonKEKS be like: wow she's so cringe because she knows numbers! staring at poll numbers all day and crying about them? so true!

>>534108745
Why isn't everyone hatebombing 17 as hard then? It's so obviously managers who got raped by 21 when 21 has nearly double as many 6th place votes by peopel who aren't even voting for 17 they're just voting against 21 because they're so fucking raped

>>534108795
>>>/g/106155758
That's a melty alright

>>534109145
>paying $100 a year for a fucking search engine

>>534108484
>Still losing despite all this begging
AND NEEEEEEWW

>>534109939
>still cheating and making this poll look even more fraudulent than the first one
21 rape victim support group really fucked this one up

>lost the feedback poll
>lost the ranked poll
>will probably lose the manager's vote
Is there a poll 21 can win?

>>534110325
it could win the worst pes of all time poll

>>534110486
kek

>>534110325
>'won' the feedback poll by 3 votes
>cheated the ranked poll bombing 21
>will cheat the managers vote too because its clearly just the same 4-7 21 raped managers cheating
is there anything 21rape victims wont do?

>>534110325
most amount of defenders who make retarded lobs to the midfield

Just retire already sgbong, you weren't good on 21 either.

>>534110325
Most gameplay fuckups, including but not limited to teleporting, AI deadlocks, and massive cursor bugs.

Hi, big Bejitabro here! I want a PES where my players run around in a circle for up to 30 seconds, what are some PES versions like this??

>>534111009
PES21 goes in all fields.

>>534089950
Yes that template does work for me now, thank you.

>>534111513
Glad it's fine now. The stuff on the wiki is still a bit of a mess but keep reporting any issues you come across and we'll end up with something that works for everyone.

>>534111981
The custom skin color template on the Blender tutorials page is out of date too. You need to change the .xml to gloveL/gloveR and parts to get it to work.

>>534112090
Right, that one could take a bit of a refresh too. I'll note it down for tomorrow.

More votes than the feedback form, which was linked and advertised for the entire final day up to the final of VGL 24 and no-one is calling bullshit on this '''vote'''?

Which stat could we raise on nonmedals to help fight longball if that's what we wanted to do? Jump? Physical Contact? Coverage would probably buff defense in general.

>>534117351
>Which stat could we raise on nonmedals to help fight longball if that's what we wanted to do?
Long ball dies to midfield possession heavy tactics.

>>534117750
Except when it doesn't

>>534117750
But all the 3-5-2s got wrecked by the longballers. They cycle the ball around while moving forward, lose it eventually, then get countered over top of the midfield who had pushed.

>>534117351
Physical Contact. (And make Trackback a free card)

Which PES version would Kasane Teto want?

>>534120387
Kasane Teto is a hag, so she would choose PES15.

>>534120759
Alex the esl KING

>>534120759
>Sin Titulo
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWW

>>534120759
>Sin título
Alex schizo hater confirmed a spic.

>>534120759
eslGAWD

>[ADMIN NEWS]
/gd/, /x/, /t/ all likely dead by Autumn, Forcing /i/, /aco/ and /vr/ in the fetus.

reminder that Myercer the plumber only got to HWC two times in a row because he got paired up with a /u/ plant who threw for him, /llsifg/ in 23 and /nepgen/ in 24

>HWC
opinion discarded

Myuer only got to Huge White Cock two times?

>>534122919
from Cockbrush

>there is at least one janny in the VGL
OH NONONO

time to get looking through the kiwifarms lists and run ‘em out to join Amph KWABing out after being exposed

>>534130646
proofs?

Hello!!!!!!!

>the janny was troonsoup
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, HOLY SHIT

>>534132000
here's what she thinks about all this

>>534132983
18 bros we rise after 17

>>534133218
>he thinks there's an after 17
If there's even the slightest real chance of 18 the 17 crybitches will brigade it and downvote it out of existence when it gets polled

>>534133465
I've never once in my life seen someone so raped.

>>534133692
Nice projection 21 rape victim

>>534133692
kys you fucking downvoting redditor

vm needs to vote her back in

>>534134068
All I hear from you is "I'm raped!"

>>534136223
shut the fuck up horsefucker

>>534136349
where's a rape kit we need to collect the semen STAT

/vt/ needs to vote her back in

PES2021, PES2017, PES2015, man, why never PES2018?

>>534137389
soon

>>534137389
never

>>534137510
say never

>>534136349
>accusing me of being a horsefucker
Not beating those allegations I'm afraid

>>534137684
never

>>534136939
I need the entire squad as a player

>>534132983
>reddit
>resetera
kek

uhh?

>21 is losing to fucking 16
oh no no no
*wheeze*
look at the top of his head!

16bros our time will come

21fags really had melty for weeks about ranked choice only to come 4th(fourth)(worse than 3 other games).

Manager Fertility Index

>>534024463 (OP)
Demonic possession?

What the fuck did you nignogs do to Kregg? Why is there a nigger and a woman now?

>>534155093
Zoer is S tier

>>534134106
specially so the /jp/ drawfag can draw her, i agree

Why is /jp/ so gay?

>>534137389
Because it's boring
I want goalfests
The aesthetics suck
Based big markets sucked at it except /pol/

>>534160118
>The aesthetics suck
Literally the same as 19/21

>>534137389
it's broken, unironically. Billboards blow up nividia cards unless you add a mesh layer to them.

>>534160118
No goals is a stupid complaint because that's something easily fixable. I'm more interested in how it plays, which is why I want to see a modern 18 invitational where someone did homework on the rules beforehand.

>>534136939
what did Henya/Pika did this time? (except not getting paid by VShojo)

Dragalia?

>>534174504
bigly, even

Be a chad, a scumbag or a good guy

I'm a bitch.

>>534180256
kwab

How do I get my co to start eating more pineapple?

Gameplay wise, should I stay in PES 2006?

>>534183773
Rape

>>534183891
Neuro is for raping.
Evil is hugs and headpats.

VGL vote needs to be run again but as a run-off between PES 16 and PES 19. It's clear from the voting that 17 is being artificially boosted by people who hate 21 and would rather stop it than actually want 17 and both make people asshurt over it. 16 and 19 have both the strongest second preference support but more importantly have the lowest last preference votes against. Enough people would be ok with it and no-one outright hates it like 21 and 17.

Just end the consolewarring already and settle on a compromise choice.

>>534187638
In that case logically 16 for next VGL so we don’t have to swap aesthetics

>>534187771
I would be fine with this.

>>534187771
VGL should do what the 4CC did in reverse, 17 > 17 > 16 > ???

>>534188021
Yes.
If you are considering 16 whatsoever as an option it should be next VGL.

>>534187638
>reddit spacing
Average 16 and 19fag

>>534187638
>It's clear from the voting that 17 is being artificially boosted
Proofs?

>>534187638
KWAB

Next vgl should be on 17 or 16, then after that we can spin the WHEEL OF PES. Run a new poll. First place gets on the wheel 6 times, second place 5 times, etc, then throw yourself at the wheel's mercy.

Which version of PES voters are the most raped?

>>534188780
Anyone who advocates any PES version over another.

>>534188181
If it's the easiest thing to do technically VGLco should end the vote and do it.

>>534188780
Clearly the anti-21 voters that can't stop downvooooting like they're asshurt redditors. Just accept 16 or 19 if you're so scared about being raped again by 21.

Take the number of votes and run it mod 6 + 15 to pick the next PES version

>>534188780
21fags seem to be very raped

>>534188780
It's close between 21 voters and people who are specifically anti-21. I would give it to anti-21 because they're a lot more vocal about it, and the more direct names attached to it, the more raped they are.

>>534189139
/zzz/bro btw

>>534189412
Based

>16
The easiest technical option, everyone's aesthetics will still work, database and everything else was already updated for 4CC so everything works, will shut the screeching up about 17. Lowest number of last ranked votes against. Highest number of second choice votes with a clear margin.
>19
Fox aesthetics, aesthetically better than 21, middle ground consensus votes are going towards 19. Not as slurpy or boring as 18 for viewers. Formation variety even if it's just 433 or 442, none of the patch screeching and not as visibly broken as 21 without patches, unpatched is viable. Didn't mindbreak managers as hard as 21 did.

>>534189917
And 16 was last used in VGL 5 years ago.

>>534188780
Read the thread and guy screaming about 17 and you tell me.

>>534190134
VGL 25 on 16 then, it's clearly going to end the consolewarring and the least unpopular choice.

>>534189917
>aesthetically better than 21
wut

Just move the 4cc to a different sports genre

>>534190487
19 looks more stable and the glow effect on 21 is eye cancer

>>534190579
This. It's time for the REAL football

>>534190653
they're exactly the same, if anything 21 is better because there are less model size restrictions compared to 19.
the "glow effect" (im guessing you're referring to emission on players like the glownigger?) is just a certain shader that im pretty sure both 19 and 21 have.
no idea what you mean by 19 "looks more stable"

>>534190579
Finally, WRASSLING will be the main focus as Vince intended.

>>534190663
Finnish swamp football?

>>534190663
Who’s the Miami Dolphins of the 4cc?

>>534195150
/sp/

After meditating on voting I have determined this is probably the best way to do roster polling for VGL where you can easily poll twice.
>do the main roster poll using approval voting (tie break for 23rd place using a modified approval voting system that slightly increases the weight of people who had more failed picks)
>ranked choice among the top 10 for medals allowing for equality between candidates like 1 = 2 = 3 > 4 = 5 > 6 etc. (Rigvote works with this)

Things aren't going to be that way... After years of being bullied by his sisters, the brother finally reaches his limit. The long-standing power balance between the three is easily shattered

by the overwhelming power of his male penis... Which of these two sisters' onaholes will he impregnate?

>>534187638
>actually it’s cheating to rank 21 last
amazing cope. it’s not cheating, people just hate it.

17 won bigly again

Alex if you're awake: you ARE the schizophrenic one!
Now go back to testing or all 10 of your toes will be sucked on!!!

>>534198425
/u/ is literally already testing on 15 btw
t.knower

/21/bro btw

>>534199114
>testing on 15 when the editor hasn't been updated to use 15 saves
i wouldn't put it past /u/ desu

/f1/bro btw

After observing discourse around PES versions, i have deduced that we need to poll PES versions for next 15 days so every version has chance to be botted at least once. #LeaveNoPESVersionBehind

>>534200187
gimi

>>534200168
You can just use the old editor
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Pro_Evolution_Soccer_2015/PES_Next-Gen_Editor_2015

>>534200168
there is old editor for 15

>>534199114
>testing already
watch them lose to [s4s] or some shit and get sent down to the fetus

>>534196448
>people just hate it
Well actually they don't, if you combine first and second preferences of what people actually want over certain schizos that are extremely raped and mindbroken by 21 so they keep trying game the voting system to sabotage 21 then 21 actually wins and has a majority of voters. The clear ones no-one wants are 15 and 18, 21 is being bombed by schizos who are desperate to stop it.
Ranked by first and second votes combined:
>21
38+23 (61)
>16
10 + 42 (52)
>19
21+28 (49)
>17
38+11 (49)
>15
20+14 (34)
>18
4+13 (17)
It shows just how distorted this is by tactical voting against 21, because the actual positive vote between which people want to see is a clear two horse race with 21 and 16. Also that 18 is wanted by next to no-one.

>>534200904
>21 actually wins if you simply ignore all the people who don’t like it and put it last
amazing insight

Can someone apply bayesian to the voting to see real results

>>534200904
>if you ignore the parts that make 21 lose, 21 wins
woah

Also 17 being in clear last place in second preferences shows you this isn't an organic vote for 17.

>>534201185
From the directors of "/xivg/ actually won against /fgog/" and "21 actually beat 17 in the final day poll", a brand new cope is coming this Summer in a theater near you.

>>534201312
Or it shows that opinions are very divided

>>534201185
>>534201305
Take the two first lists of preferences what people are voting for and not against then you don't get the same and you clearly see 17 isn't backed by anything but a vocal minority. No-one likes 17 as a plan B.

>>534201346
Can't wait, I will call Robert to reserve some tickets for the kinoplex screening.

>>534201529
No it shows most people either want or are neutral on 21, the same isn't true with 17 and most 17 voters are deliberately voting 17 1st and 21 6th, few people want 17 as a back up or something they're neutral on.

>>534201537
>rank these options from what you want most to what you want the least
>I want pes 21 the least. I will put it last.
>nooo you can’t do that!!!

>>534201947
>offer vote ranking to a bunch of autists who know how to game a voting system to stop something they don't want despite being a minority
>the same 38 people just ruin the whole poll for everyone else with extreme tactical voting
surprised pikachu

>>534201926
Which is a logical outcome because 17 is status quo. If you want a change it’s because you don’t want to continue with the status quo.

>>534201926
>If you ignore the people that don't want 21, most people either want it or are neutral
Kek, keep baiting I wanna see how these arguments progress

What PES wins if we apply common sense to the poll

>>534200904
What a raped bitch

>>534201947
>use the system optimized for making everyone slightly unhappy
>tHiS Is SO muCh BeTteR tHAn FirSt PAst tHe PoSt

>>534202264
Most votes are for something else, 17 isn't winning first or second choice votes combined. 16 is clearly ahead of 17 yet alone 21, that's a vote for change. 17 voters are just 38 people fucking the whole poll up for the other 90 voters because they can't cope with how hard they got raped last time 21 happened.

>>534199114
I'm already testing on 15 too and it means absolutely nothing

>>534202391
Commonsense is ignoring the poll, recognising that we only have 4 viable options and that some point in the future every option will have to be used again and telling people to suck it up.
16-19-21-17-16-19-21
Depending on how viable 15 and 18 are they can be added to the roster but the cup will probably have to make that step before vgl will consider.

>>534202391
16 or 19, neither has strong votes against, both have strong votes for

>>534202391
17 because it won twice already

>>534202548
But 17 also won the first past the post vote during the VGL. It’s simply the winner can we move past this complaining yet?

The clearest loser in this is 15 and 18, both have been firmly rejected - and yet the 4CC wants to do 15.
kekypow

Is this the right place to ask why /f1/ is in /sp/ and not /xs/

>>534202884
21 and 17 are tied in first past the post, but this whole thing would have been prevented if Denko hadn't made the results visible so this didn't just descend into vote stuffing to stop or artificially boost one result or theo ther

>>534202986
/xs/ might as well not exist and just be /sumo/ instead. That's the only group of people that use that board.

>>534202986
Janny t.wain

>>534202986
you can post in the 3.5 year old /f1/ thread on there if you want :)

>>534203364
No i meant that 17 won the first past the post vote that was held on the final day of the vgl

>>534202952
>poll made by VGLco for VGL
>why isn't 4CC considering the results of this poll?

>>534203480
By 3 votes, and it was practically a three way tie. All the past ones have shown a clear consensus. That had 111 responses, this is probably going to hit 200 or more by Sunday and entirely because people are just stuffing votes or botting the poll now they can see where the results are going. Either VGLco needs to re-run it with hidden results until the end. Or have a run-off with first past the post or first and second preferences because it's clear most people don't want or care about 15 and 18 now. Ranked has fucked up because it's just being skewed to fuck by tactical voting by a quarter of the voters.

>>534203581
Cause look at how many viewers and managers are in the 4CC too, it has implications for that too if both audiences and participants are firmly rejecting 15 on another major competition.

The poll is which version should be CONSIDERED, not picked. But looks like 21 shouldn't even be considered, it's that bad.

/admin/ need to consider why there is such a rush to 15 too when it's taken such a hard L when put to a vote. A week or two ago most people either were neutral but up for a change and considering a PES that might be as good as new. A week later and after a first look at what 15 is probably like, it's getting a firm rejection.

Autumn/Winter cycle needs to be on 16 until 15 is tested properly..

>>534204153
So why is 21 getting the largest share of the vote when first and second preferences then? 17 is just a loud minority that want 17 and are desperate to stop 21. No-one wants it as a back-up plan.

Vglco wants to stay on 17 (or prefox) anyway due to the annoyance of having to port aesthetics over to fox. The poll is just something that they can point at and say people were fine with 17. Even if 21 did win, they'd still stay prefox and think about 21 for vgl26.

>>534204153
#trvke

>>534204582
16 has more first and second choice votes than 17 so VGL so go to 16 then, that's still prefox.

>>534204582
Also all the pet teams are doing well in 17 (except /akg/).

>4ccg is still timelooping about polls and pes versions
I thought this was /vg/ not /vt. Nobody seems to be able to agree on anything.

>>534204404
15 is going to be shit for streamers too and I really can't wait to see how they cope with their decision

People said "DUDE 17 is so GOOD you can run ANYTHING" before the meta devolved into langball spam and ruined alot of it's rep, so this go around on 15 could be anything. Anyone saying with certainty "It's going to be so BAD" or "It's going to be so GOOD" is a retard.

>>534205248
>allow HA strikers
ruleset issue
>half the teams still running red heights
skill issue

>>534202986
All motorsports should be sent to /xs/ because it would rejuvenate both boards and also driving a car is not a sport. /heem/ should be sent to /pw/

>>534204578
>No-one wants it as a back-up plan.
Yeah, the people want it as the main plan!

>>534205013
15 will be fine for a cup cycle. None of the PES versions are anywhere near as bad to watch as people pretend.

damn... 21 fell off hard...

Who gives a shit about what PES things are on. I’ve managed every PES since 16 and they are all the same pretty much

>>534205847
All me

>>534205871
/my team/ won on a specific PES so if we go back to it, we'll win again!

>>534206238
TMAny Kahn will use 21 since absolutely no one cares they all are autopilots anyway

>>534205725
Why is it tied with 17 for first choice then?

If VGLco didn't want to change PES anyway then why the fuck is this vote even happening? Just run a simple 16 or 17 poll.

AES question: I have a couple loli characters on my team and I would like to make it so they appear smaller on the pitch. How can you do that? I tried scaling everything down inside of Blender but that broke something with the skeleton I think. Tamamo from /mggg/ for example appears normal in Blender but is smol ingame and I can't figure out how that works.

>>534207343
It's a weight painting thing.

>>534205807
>>534205013
Is 15 good for aesthetics? Does everything backport well?
As long as I get to see funny lads running around and occasionally scoaring some goals then I'm good.

>>534207343
Just use canon heights

>>534207516
The 15 AES is for the most part the same as 16/17 AES

>>534207007
He's going to prove all the 21 Haters wrong by making unpatched 21 good with pure stats autism

>>534207516
It’s functionally identical to 16 for viewers

>>534207920
>Messi signing up with /tf2g/
Is this the biggest market change of the season?

>>534207831
If he wants to use his time to figure out stats and convince the other leagues that everything doesn't need to be 77 or whatever, than more power to him.

>>534208185
He's been doing that for 4+ VTLs now.

>>534207343
DESU

>>534207343
The tutorial's on the AES dicksword under "underpainting"

>>534207920
Lifelong /tf2g/ fan since the transfer, what's our history? Who are our rivals?

>>534208245
Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?

>>534208245
A shame that nobody outside /vt/ users can stomach watching one of those to see what it's like.

>>534208906
Just watch with the sound off. That's what I'm going to be doing.

>>534208524
>what's our history?
losing
>Who are our rivals?
/tnm/ (deceased)

>>534207490
>>534208490
aight, thanks
>>534208461
dess

>10th game to feature benuldies happened in autumn 13
>20th game happened winter 17
>30th game happennd spring 18
>40th game happened autumn 19
>now on 46 games to go to benuldies
what was it about the original 17 run that had so many benuldies? same with extra time where milestones were hit every other cup

Elder Girl x Younger Boy

>>534212017
>>534212250
I miss /aog/

>>534212763
Okay, Bird or Limbab.

I've never really gotten men being raped. Like you guys are supposed to be the strong ones?? Just fight back?? Like unless you're under 10 I don't understand how it happens.

>>534209945
strikers not being efficient and putting shots away means a higher chance at a draw in any given game, konami overcorrected after 16

>>534213367
It happened to me, a 6'10 man.

>>534213367
It could happen to anyone, even if you're a 7 foot tall 320 pound seven time world champion

>>534213458
except they forgot to correct long shots which is why knockdown longball is the meta

>>534213563
>>534213758
Kevin...

>>534213364
Imagine working your ass for your team, loving your general and giving it all, just to be put in the same sentence as limKWAB.

Everything that lav is saying in the VGL cord about PES16 is wrong.

>>534214832
>/vm/ - 0
kekypow!

>lack of goal variety
Solved with Stats autism
>too many goals
Mitigated with stats autism and a Goal Poacher ban
>long match days because of lots of goal horns
GS 1 and stop yapping.

Every single argument against PES16 is invalid or solvable.

>>534214832
Biggest 16 haters
>caretaker who tried to make his own team lose
>manager who can't orgasm unless he wins 1-0
>guy who hates managing
>the merc

>>534216450
>manager who can't orgasm unless he wins 1-0
who

>>534216434
They fixed goalkeepers?

>>534216650
/smtg/

>>534216813
GKs being broken don't matter when you minimize the shots that activate the broken animation.

>>534216939
That sounds like bullshit.

>>534216434
>it's fixable, just trust me bro

>>534216815
that's a smirk from me chief

>>534216939
What shots activate the broken animation

>>534217135
Mostly Curlers.

>>534216434
>stats autism
kill yourself tma

>>534217326
Toki wants to do 66/77/88 on PES16

ChadMA bout to BTFO patch niggers

>>534217463
>LET'S FUCK THE DEFENSE EVEN MORE
VGL match days will last forever.

>>534217965
tma couldn't btfo flies to shit

>>534215139
Limbab also does the same for his team though?

>>534217463
who the fuck is toki

>>534218529
some vglcord namefag

>>534218529
Ramen, RamenRaisin, aesthetics guy, former /vn/ manager, former /skg/ manager, former /a/ manager, caused Lear to make an edit to the 4cc rules with the description "Eat a dick Ramen."

>>534218723
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks of this Toki every time.

>>534218958
that's a lot of formers
sounds like a slut

so, there was not a single cup nor invitational on PES 15 since 2015?

>>534190653
>the glow effect on 21 is eye cancer
this

>>534219750
Correct

>>534219750
that's because using older versions of PES in invitationals didn't become the norm until the move to PES 18 as most invitationals stayed on PES 17 because of aesthetics

>>534220449
>>534220521
And /admin/ 100% confirmed PES 15 for autumn with no take backs without even preparing a single test cup?

>>534219709
This becomes a critical issue if you're a lazy commissioner who avoids putting effort into considering rules.

>>534220615
they didn't, boris made it his mission to stress that nothing was confirmed but it is looking that way

>>534219709
For everything people say about TMA, he actually tests his rulesets.

>>534220615
The plan is to have a test cup the first weekend of September.

>>534220615
As long as the game functions why do they need one?
Pes15 will shake things up tactically regardless.

>>534221814
I do find it funny that rule#2 of vtl is
>/vt/ League is not a serious competition and ought not be taken particularly seriously by anyone involved.
and he is the one commissioner who extensively and autistically vets his rules.

>>533805985
I've finally remembered the solution to this.
You need to go to the Tracking Protection settings and add an exception for https://cy [remove] tu.be (and https://cytube.implyingrigged.info while you're at it), which will allow youtube to recognize your account even though you're not on youtube.
For some reason most computers don't need that, I don't know the distinguishing factor.

>>534222536
>As long as the game functions why do they need one?
What rules are we going with? Just the ones from its initial run with eventually some tweaks? Or a brand new one?
I mostly want to avoid a repeat of Spring 19 where we end up having an entire shitty cup just to realize the rules aren't suitable. And the issue is 15 hasn't been touched in a decade, so it's not like you can just bring it back without minimal effort to ensure it's fit for use today.

I think the issue with long ball spam is less long ball being overpowered and more managers being lazy and copying other teams.

>>534225348
longball is an utterly infuriating tactic to use and play against, it's just not all that consistent and you kinda do need to build an export around it to some degree
trying to unnecessarily shoehorn longball into an export not really built for it is just how you get this cup's /u/

>>534226768
This /u/ definitely deserved the "what were they cooking" if that segment existed on FB. They stuck with their same 3-5-2 export that was barely scraping by in the spring, but this time they tried to force it to go 4-3-3 and used it in all their games as a 433 instead of just creating a proper 4-3-3 export from the start. A very strange decision.

>>534225348
I only run long ball because I got pissed off about losing to a team running long ball. If my chances of winning are low anyways might as well hope for momentum like they got instead of actually trying with short passing.

>>534227308
The testers were getting uppity so they let them build an export this time.

>>534206154
…you mean the last vglel winner?
kekypow

>>534227308
>barely scraping by in the spring
>only lost when keeper was purple
Did we watch the same Spring Babby?

>>534227308
sticking with the 3-5-2 was absolutely justifiable, they were maybe the best team in spring running 3-5-2 and 3-4-3 throughout. trying to make it into /mlp/ was not at all justifiable, at least not in the way they tried to make it happen

>>534228468
>>534228460
>free group
>They barely managed to beat an auto, which they couldn't defeat on elites.
>lost to a 442
Yeah?

how to make a 3-5-2 able to play 4atb good, a simple guide
>give LMFs and RMFs LB and RB double As, respectively
>have a couple 77 CMFs in the bench ready to go for 4atb mode
>make normal 4-3-3/4-4-2 preset
boom done. simplest shit ever. probably like a third of the cup already does this. don't galaxy brain yourself like /vp/ unless you want to become /vp/

>>534228925
Well that's what /u/ did and they failed, you bozo. The real question is why do you want to have both at all, what is the reason you want a 352 if you already have a 433 gameplan etc.

how to make any formation good, a simple guide
>just roll good stats and use voodoo magic to wrangle the machine spirit to make the other team play shit
boom done

>>534229171
I refuse to manage because I know that the machine spirit will have more respect for me than any other manager and give me free wins

>>534229085
>what is the reason you want a 352 if you already have a 433 gameplan etc
More variety, formations play slightly different. 3-5-2 might be a bit easier to run possession with depending on how you build the team.

>>534203480
That was a poll with approval voting ("pick all the choices you're fine with"), quite different compared to first part the post ("pick only your favorite").

>>534229085
>Well that's what /u/ did
no it is not. they ran an LB+3CB backline and had their RMF built to be a wingback play CMF, which is not how almost any actual 4atb is run

>The real question is why do you want to have both at all
flexibility. frankly /u/ did not need it because their 3atb is still very good but it is not hard to make an export that plays all of 3-5-2, 3-4-3, 4-4-2, and 4-3-3 competently and all four of those formations are worthwhile

>>534229446
/u/ spent like half of spring playing possession short 3-4-3 and it worked out pretty well for them

>>534206238
What did he mean by this?

When we use PES16 I'm using Poacher-Dummy 4-3-3
When we use PES17 I'm using langball 4-3-3
When we use PES18 I'm using center 4-4-2 diamond
When we use PES19 I'm using wide 4-4-2 diamond
When we use PES21 I'm using center 3-4-3
You may think moving to PES15 will stop me but all I need is to watch one cup

>>534216450
Now do biggest 16 lovers.

Whatever went on with Group H this cup before the first match and during it will end up being one of the strangest mysteries in recent cup history unless everyone involved comes out and gives their side from behind the scenes. The weirdest group and set of stories I have heard in a while hearing it from multiple people and teams involved. There was a lot more to it than face value and a lot to learn about over relying on testing, mind gaming yourself out of running something that works and underestimating autopilots. And then /trv/ just sat back and laughed through it and will probably go on to make top 4 without breaking a sweat.

>>534230765
Biggest 16 lovers
>guy who likes goals
>guy who likes goals
>guy who likes goals
>guy who likes goals

>>534216450
>>534231326
Now namedrop them

>>534230774
What went on with /u/ and /jp/?
Also /trv/ is not getting past the /sp/-/tv/ winner, and honestly /v/ will be a challenge too.

>>534231947
>What went on with /u/ and /jp/?
/jp/ got spooked by early goals so bad their management imploded on the spot

>>534230270
MarcoZ said that he'll give a 50 euro giftcard to anyone that can make unpatched PES21 watchable.

Why do I feel like every team in r16 are frauds? Am I possessed by the spirit of Crimson?

>>534232272
Interesting, I guess.

>>534232371
A couple of them are like /sp/ (always drawing dogshit groups) , some are just longball mercs.

>>534232371
Nah I've felt since the first day that this elite had a babby smell to it (that makes sense in my brain). Really doubt the winner is going to be some memorably impressive team.

>>534232707
I think that if a team like /b/ wins it would be memorable despite feeling like a baby cup. I don't think PES can be cursed enough to make /cm/ win but that would be just funny as fuck considering how they advanced.

>>534232371
Not all of them are frauds, but this is a weak as fuck elite in general. The only teams that seem not fraudulent are /pw/ and /tv/. /his/ and /biz/ might be good as well, but they're bigger question marks.

>>534233265
>/pw/ and /tv/
I can easily make up that they're frauds. /sci/ were not a real team, /tv/ PES'd /d/, and /pw/ beat /d/ purely off god momentum.

>>534233421
Yeah, even they had a questionable group. It's just that bad.

>>534233421
Can't spell robbed without /d/

>>534232371
/sp/ are seemingly the only team to remember that short passing 4-3-3 is good, instant advantage for them

>>534235742
Against the sort of passive opponents they faced that is a good option.

AIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE..... GUSIC-SAMA PLEASE FORGIVE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what the fuck is this aaaaaaaaaaaaa i hate aes

>>534237278
WTF is this real??

>>534237278
Jiren did absolutely nothing this cup, Gusic was legitimately the more impactful player since he got an assist at least

Bakushin
Bakushin
Bakushin
Bakushin

>>534237278
PATHETICren the WORTHLESS

>>534237278
No.

>>534237278
OH NONONO JIRENSCHOLARS?? OUR GOAT IS LOSING TO A CAT??

If Gusic is so good why is he not a medal?

>>534237983
Many are asking this

>>534237983
Since Gusic already plays like a 99, making him a medal would be a waste.

>>534237983
Nepotism, previous managers don't like him.

>>534237983
Comfy shitter meme. The board doesn't care.

>>534237983
TRAPPED and BETRAYED by his m*n*ger just like Sneed

/mu/ vs. /trash/ for the k-pop bowl

>>534237278
no

>>534238286
>comfy shitter meme
so you've never been to /mu/.

zoer life with a zoer wife!

>>534239312
I'm pretty sure /trash/ has a kpop thread

so whats the ETA on sou stuff again, thursday wrestlling friday garbage?

>see someone link a 15 editor and say they were using this since the normal editor doesn't work
>"oh cool let me take a look"
>Sorry, the file you have requested does not exist.
wow thanks

>>534237278
Reminder /mu/ would have advanced if they started Gusic

VGL 25 on Taito Power Goal
https://youtu.be/etIyxCkWkiY

>>534249483
Works on my machine

/ag/ league deadline in 10 days

>>534247783
plsu respondu

>>534260112
I think you're cute

>>534251609
/mu/ would have 4 stars at this point if they never had gusic, now that's a fact.

>>534238264
but the current manager likes him

Gimme your top 4 right now, 4ccg

>>534264137
penis
cock
dick
wang

>>534264137
Satono Diamond, King Halo, Mejiro McQueen, Mayano Top Gun

>>534264137
zoer, zoer, zoer and zoer

>>534264137
>4th: /fit/
>3rd: /his/
>2nd: /tv/
>1st: /pw/

>>534264137
hamburger, hot dog, fried chicken, apple pie

>>534264498
I ate all of these today actually

>>534264137
Jackie Chan
Jackie Chan
Jackie Chan
Jackie Chan

Also known as 4Chan

>>534264137
Not sure if you mean for the cup or not but:
>4th: /sp/
>3rd: /wsg/
>2nd: /vt/
>1st: /b/

>>534264137
Silence Suzuka, Mayano Top Gun, Super Creek, Haru Urara

What kind of sushi should I order tommorow?

>>534265907
are you in japan? if not then you're not ordering sushi at all

>>534265996
the fuck's that supposed to mean?

>>534265907
>>534265996
>>534266263
>

>>534264137
/sp/ /cm/ /tg/ /pw/

>>534265146
This would be the ideal outcome

>10 of the 16 teams in knockouts are longballers
>2 of the other 6 are autos
>have to use this PES again for VGL where 6 of the final 8 were also longballers
>4cc's alternative to this is using a PES where you can get 90% possession'd to death

>>534274842
no no no dont you get it you HAVE to enjoy longball header slop

>>534274842
>>10 of the 16 teams in knockouts are longballers
i'm not sure any more than 6 teams in the knockouts actually run longball a majority of the time. which, to be clear, is still a lot of teams but longball is not necessarily the meta. it's just a viable option that plays way differently than in basically any other PES

also half the VGL24 final day didn't regularly use longball i don't think. /vrg/ mostly used longball as bus parking and used short pass most of the time, /kfg/ /smtg/ and /ink/ went all longball all the time, so it's like 3/8 full longball teams
as far as PES15 goes, expectation should probably be "what if PES16 had working goalkeepers and way less pressing"

>>534276214
/kfg/ used short too.

>>534277794
yeah but most if not all of their knockout run was on longball

I don't enjoy voting for the next PES for VGL25 knowing that Lav's vote counts just as much as mine, a manager's, after how he KWABd out last league.

>>534279290
Lav this lav that, how about you lab the art of getting bitches, nigga?

this is gonna be months of pointless shitflinging, should have just given the decision to the hat

>>534216434
you drunk? game speed 1 means the game runs faster relative to the clock, not that the clock runs faster, meaning more highlights and replays, meaning SLOWER matches.

>>534217463
this is garbage and something /rules/ tried back then with the consensus being it made the game unwatchable because non-medals' quality of play went downhill

>>534285404
It should be something like 80/87/92 if the concern is stopping constant 11 goal games. Reduce the distance bewteen nonmedal and medal, don't make the nonmedal defenders even worse. The stamina usage alone on 66/77/88 would be terrible

>>534285243
>not that the clock runs faster
Proofs? I've tried running a PvP match on +2 gamespeed without touching either controller and the clock hit half time faster on +2.

Life with a cute zoer wife, pounding her cervix as we wait for the deadline to arrive.

>>534204738
16 is a shit PES which can tongue my fucking anus, along with anyone who voted for it

>>534264137
/vt/
/pol/
/r9k/
/sp/

I am playing the game

A /tg/ vs /r9k/ final would be a first time match up and the oldest first time match up yet.

I am waiting for the rain

>>534299481
I don't think the autos will be good enough to consistently win 3 matches in a row, this isn't PES18.

excited for the upcoming games

>>534121409
>/i/, /aco/ and /vr/
cull /i/ and /aco/

What kind of sushi should I order today?

Dismantle git gud

>>534310007
Cum sushi.

Now that the dust has settled, why did 21 flop worse than Blue Archive on Steam?

>>534310490
Previous VGL tournaments on 21 were a disaster, and there doesn't even seem to be a plan or even a discussion on what to do with the game in terms of patching it or not if we do return to it.
And if it's just going to be one of the last patches used then I'm shoving 21 at the bottom of the list and I assume others did too because all of those patches were fucking garbage.
It's one of the only PES versions where the average viewer can recognize something is fucked with the gameplay.

>>534310485
Please don't bully me.

>>534312038
sushi cum

>>534312210
Wow, please stop talking to me if you're going to be mean.

>>534313008
cum

>>534287820
Functionally speaking, NMs need major buffs to not be completely useless on defense in PES16

>>534310490
Most people are old enough to remember the VGLs on 21. 18 was probably better (on the spring patch) than 19 on summer patch and the formation ban.

Honestly I'm surprised 19 did well too considering how sick everyone was of 19 as well, if we go back to it I hope we also use both HA brackets.

>>534311093
>there doesn't even seem to be a plan or even a discussion on what to do with the game in terms of patching it or not if we do return to it.
VTL has the pleasure (misfortune) of being the first unpatched PES21 league when they move to it next spring. I think if the VTL can make it watchable, you'll see some more momentum to return to PES21.

>>534313196
The only way that's going to happen is individual stat autism and vgl seems entirely opposed to that, so it's going to have to be around 82 points for nonmedals maximum, and no manlet buffs or else you end up with the summer 24 problem.

tma's retardation has poisoned the well and vtlcels are trying to poison the /4ccg/ well with his statsloptism

>>534313948
82 NMs would help, but they aslo need a height advantage over golds and silvers as well as silver level DP. But with 82 NMs, you get NMs that just never die.

>>534314249
There is nothing wrong with stats autism.
Stats autism doesn't cause cursor glitches like patches do.

>>534313439
Will it though? Doesn't seem to have too much overlap with VGL and 4cc when it comes to viewers and managers. Just like not many are aware of what they do with 16.

New /aco/? /co/? 'oss

>>534309772
Just merge /aco/, /h/ and /d/

>>534314673
Why has /h/ ever done to you?

>>534314489
You'll hear all about it from Der ShillenMeisterUndßexAnschlag

>>534314626
I'd fuck Hazbin Hotel

>>534314489
I mean, if VTL10 proves MarcoZ wrong, then he won't have any leg to stand on regarding unpatched 21, so he'll stop naysaying it.

>>534314626
Charlie's shirt in the first panel

Don't let /aco/'s dogshit roster distract you from the fact that /co/'s roster is also abysmal dogshit

>>534314860
I think MarcoZ is a clown anyway. But it's fine if VTL beta tests this stuff for everyone.

>>534314717
Have an AI Slop player

>>534315024
/co/ has potential but is really anti dimes. I don't know why

>>534315423
boris sockpuppet

>>534315423
Names only roster for some reason.
It has a lot of potential because the characters have a lot of personality but they are never presented like it. Best example: Charlie and Pim are just "SMILING FRIENDS". then you have their four medals, Doom, Gaston, Carl, Aku all named as such.

>>534315423
[Sad News] Team's roster became 4cc-core before it became good

Ngl I'd be open to submitting an export for an invitational on 18 since I've never done anything on that PES

>>534317282
Literally just "The Smiling Friends" would be better, referring to them as a unit from their place of work, but they made their name the name of the fucking show. It's so fucking lazy.

Sticking out your gyatt for the crimson
You're so realpilky
You're so tma
I just wanna be your zoer

>>534317282
Fuck it here I'll help you out /co/. Some ideas.
"THIS [opponent, opponent based thing, match etc] BELONGS TO DOOM"
"NO ONE SCORES LIKE GASTON" Pretty sure they did this before already when he was GK and it was saves instead
"EXTRA THICK" or you can keep Aku as the one character name, this is fine
"IT DON'T MATTA" or "NONE OF DIS MATTERS"

And the worst post award goes to... Anonymous!

>>534319089
Why give all the players funny names if commentators will continue to call them Character Name?

>>534315423
>>534317282
The problem is that /co/ is basically cultureless. It doesn't really have any throughline memes or jokes, it's really more like a general board than /tv/ or /v/

>

>>534319261
It sets up for easy lines for when they score or a punchline if they fuck up. Sure it's commentator dependent but it adds to spice the roster up.

>>534303572
sex

>>534319089
Make it YOU ARE DOOMED and give him a MF Doom goalhorn

>>534319261
It adds some flavor for the roster. It's entirely without detriment when everyone already knows the character.

>>534317282
I genuinely don't get why this is a big deal for people. Like how FB smacked /vrpg/ for having their gold forward named Dagoth Ur then once he got his current name it was perfectly A-OK.

>>534321679
It's about presentation. If the best representation you have for a meme/character on the board is just their name, they better have a strong personality (model, goalhorn adds to this) to make up for it. There's a fine line here. Plus having only character names is dull so it should be rare.
In /vrpg/'s case, I thought Dagoth was fine because he was the only one with his name and his goalhorn really did a lot already. That's just nitpicking at that point.

>>534322430
How does changing Dagoth Ur to How Can You Kill A God? make him more interesting in the slightest? I'm not sure if this is seekrit club autism or what, but if you think changing from a name to a reference to said name is intriguing you're retarded

Crimson will commentate a match and use character names even for players that have a different name.

>>534322776
I was literally agreeing with you, retard. Dagoth was fine as Dagoth Ur. It's all dependent on the character and the team.

>>534322430
I do like characters being named after board memes, like how Bane is called For You or Nanoha Befriending. But if the suggested alternative is just altering the character's name or naming them after a quote, then it frankly changes nothing, especially because most streamers/commentators will fall back to referring said players by their actual names.

>>534322920
1. Not the anon you replied to, retard
2. It's called using an example, retard

>>534320378
Thanks. I like your cunny shirt.

>>534322962
except no one knows who the fuck "nanoha" is

The next Rigdio update should allow you to automatically set up a ruse horn so that it starts playing from wherever the other team's standard goalhorn is currently paused before correcting.

>>534323391
It was among the most popular anime on /a/ when it aired, but that was before most of the zoomers that make up modern 4chan were born so you'd be right.

>>534323032
Then READ nigga. People already explained why earlier. >>534320639 >>534321206

>>534313439
>you'll see some more momentum to return to PES21.
There already is momentum behind PES 21. 21 is leading in the first past the post votes. 21 has more combined first and second preference votes than any other PES. Just a certain dozen or so people are extremely raped by 21 and artificially downvoted it because last time they got raped or they only remember VGL 19. But that isn't even 21, formation bans are dumb and retarded no matter what PES they are are on, VGL 22 was dogshit as well.

>>534320378
death
though who would support nuplaystation anymore

>why do anything when commentator
So true! That's why I made my entire roster gay furry shit because that's all suule ever talks about anyway!

Teto, the meat toilet.

>>534324078
this except I made my entire roster blacked shit because that's all /4ccg/ ever talks about (/zzz/bro btw)

>>534324216
/gif/ is never going to play again

>>534323898
>Why does it make it more interesting?
>Because it adds some flavor and spices it up
Are you braindead? The easy line thing I guess is a fair point, but how often does that actually happen and is that worth the risk of commentators and fans having no clue who some dude is?

>>534324216
except it's only /zzz/tards that talk about that

Who are the real /zzz/bros?

>>534324420
>risk of commentators and fans having no clue who some dude is?
??? if someone doesn't recognize a player by their portrait and/or model then they're not going to recognize them by their government name either

>>534324078
Suule isn’t actually a bad commentator other than the fact he can’t speak English. I think he does a good job of familiarizing himself with memes of different boards and 4cc-core and his personal digressions are usually /sci/ shit which I don’t mind so much.
Of course, on the other hand he can’t speak English, so

>>534314626
idgi

>>534325049
We need a /tv/ edit of ESL king.

>>534324420
I was a newfag not too long ago, and I didn't understand all the references on /myteam/. I either paid attention and learned, aka lurked moar, or looked it up on the wiki. Newfags don't need spoonfed.

Where's the wrasslin' card?

UUUUUUU where souuuuu UUUUUUUU soulings what will we do without sou UUUUUU
where wrestling or garbage