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Dev Notes
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/mists-of-pandaria-classic-development-notes-updated-july-1/2097329

MoP:
Intro
https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic
Addons
https://overgear.com/guides/mists-of-pandaria-classic/top-addons-for-mop/
Class Tier List
https://www.zockify.com/mop/tier-list/
MoP Leveling Gear Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWKTmp_gs1A&t=2s
Legendary Item Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeQJ269-J5c
Profession Guide
https://www.wow-professions.com/mop

Vanilla:
Phase guide
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/guide/fresh-servers-roadmap-phases
Addons
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/news/the-best-addons-for-wow-classic-fresh-351334
DPS tier list
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/guide/dps-rankings-tier-list-pve-burning-crusade-classic-wow
An Qiraji Release and Overview
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/guide/temple-ahnqiraj-aq40-overview-classic-wow
The Burning Crusade Prep Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyGBABkKu0U

>>534066694 (OP)
saved

'niller cryboomer wellness check

>>534066694 (OP)
>literally linking youtube videos
beyond grim

>extended again

its up

https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/text/grim/
why do you spam every day lil bro?

>pvp vendor for conquest gear is bugged again

MOP SISSIES

OH NO NO NO NO

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>534068457
Grim

>>534066694 (OP)
>The Burning Crusade Prep Guide
lol heres your actual guide dude
1) buy the dark portal pass when it comes out
2) do literally anything else with your time until then

>>534072487
>pay to watch a movie
>pay more to read a resume of it

>>534072624
movies are considered entertainment and not remotely comparable to leveling in vanilla

>>534072830
oh NOW leveling up in vanilla is bad

>>534072487
>>534072624
im getting another char BOOSTED by the GREAT NATION of IRAN, I will then BUY my profession packages from IRANI farmers with IRANI botted gold
im also evading my taxes so that shitsrael doesnt get a single cent from me
what are YOU doing to bring forth TKD, /wowcg/?

>>534072965
it always was. thats why the dark portal pass sold so well in 2021 and will sell well again in 2026

>>534073012
>>534073106
the mind of a 'niller is an enigma

>>534074405
i play other versions of wow. how am i a niller?

>>534073106
Retarded jeet, leveling in vanilla is godtier, the reason why level boosts are selling is because leveling alts takes too long

>>534074805
but if leveling up is godtier, it shouldn't be an issue to do it again, because its fun and godtier. Else why do people get level boosts?
Isn't leveling up god tier? I don't understand.

>>534072965
Well it's obviously incredibly boring compared to a good singleplayer game, but compared to MoP and Retail it's really not all that bad.

>>534075171
>retail out of nowhere
If you have to compare a game with another, it's already a bad argument

>>534074805
so god tier that people pay money not to do it

>>534074935
What in tardation ?

I just said it takes too long, and people (normies like you) dont want to invest that amount of time in alts

>>534075419
Then leveling up is boring as shit then if it has bad replayability
Other games don't have this issue when people replay the games, so why is it an issue with vanilla WoW?

>>534074805
>god tier
>everyone uses an add on or guide like restedxp just to navigate it
lolw

Vanilla leveling is good as long as you have a second monitor to split your attention from it by watching a movie

Never used a leveling addon in my life and never will, if people choose to watch seinfeld on another screen while lord of the rings is on the first one thats their issue

>world bosses havent reset
I swear they are just making new bugs at this point.

Mop heroics feel like Wotlk heroics

What made the zoomer meltie over vanilla leveling stop?

>>534076908
>stop
Vanilla leveling is bad, proven by questie and boosts

>>534077064
>questie
You dont know how to read and have an attention span of a turd
>boosts
Everyone is laughing at you while you fail at grasping the class you just boosted

Anything else?

>zoomers play this slow ass game
keep calling boogeyman, but zoomers don't care about WoW at all, there's better games for them
It's all cryboomers

>>533841332
>dude can you tell me how ive done literally 8 heroic dungeons since hitting 90 and have literally not seen a single piece of gear for my spec specialization? Like 35 bosses and no mail agility loot?

Weird, it has been completely opposite experience for me.
Did whole week of grinding hc dungs and saw fuck all str plate pieces, just constant stream of leather and mail. From every single boss. So many leather/mail pieces that, in fact, even classes that use them roll greed, because they (and all their alts) are fully decked in 463 already.
Meanwhile plate pieces are always contested and i've only seen 463 str trinked drop once (1) in the whole week of grinding.
458 JP pieces suck ass, 463 hc trinkets are unobtainium, vendors are located in a completely retarded spots, even prof trainers are scattered around...
can't even farm faction rep in dungeons anymore and dailies are fucking terrible

it's like everything is done to piss you off and make you quit asap

who tf hyped up this gigatrash expansion?

Good afternoon saar

>>534077614
You missed the point

>>534079824
a niller doesn't know how to read? goodness me

>>534079824
You missed the point buddy

Dostoevsky is godlike but no one is reading him, and if zoomers are forced to read him in school they speedread.

niller can't participate in a discussion without bringing up irrelevant topics to help his argument

>>534080239
>comparing collecting bear asses to Dostoevsky
peak murrican analogy

Vanilla is good as long as you have drugs and alcohol at the ready.

any reason why no one is doing 25N MSV on EU servers today? All i see are 10N groups or old raids. Even yesterday almost all groups were for 25N, so it's cannot be because of the weekly reset.

>He didn't buy at the dip
Bahahahhaa

*mounts you*

/Strawman general/

niller cryboomer

Zoomie dingus

hmmm... I'm gonna start FRESH on MoP as a blood elf priest.

>>534087731
>horde
Playing the game wrong.

cryniller meltie

>mop sissies

Starting fresh in mop

UHH OHHHHHH

OH NONONONO

what the heck happened to wowcg?

>>534089362
>>534089935
>nillacels be like 'YOU BETTER BRING EVERY WORLD BUFF AND EVERY CONSUMABLE AND 1000G WORTH OF EACH PER RAID PER WEEK BRO! I NEED THAT 10 EXTRA SECONDS SAVED!'
xD

failed male working overtime today huh, 3 posts in a row by the same ID btw

>>534090179

>epoch

>mfw Gehennas and Firemaw is lagging so hard that not even character list is loading
Can't fucking believe i'm paying for this shit.

>>534090216
those are retail players

>pvp gear is only for pvp
>pve gear is only for pve

so uh like is there even any point of doing rep grinds or heroics, or even raiding, on a character if its just for pvp

so i just make a character for pvp and one for pve if i dont plan to mix them?

Where is the mop census?

>>534097537
the guy that made the census quit because of pandas

>>534094198
>a classic player playing classic makes them a retail player
my favorite unsolved puzzle

>25min bg queue
its already over
the pandas did it again

whats the best gold item i can get with motes of harmony

Did you get your cm mode sets sisters?

>>534082483
alex moment

90% of melee i inspect are using dmg weapon enchant vs weapon chain, which was always mandatory in pvp without disarm reduction talents

so did something change or does the dmg bonus of other enchants outweigh the 50% reduction of a disarm?

>>534101610
game is so slowpaced that it doesnt matter if one kill attempt gets cucked by disarm

>>534074935
Its fun the first few times around if its been a while. Its boring a 2nd time after just finishing it. I never make an alt on vanilla for that reason.

how do i find a sha of anger group? the group finder doesnt have any groups up

>>534102512
they form in lfg chat. /4
nobody uses the in game group finder for raids

>>534102512
just tag it bro you don't need to be in a group for it

>>534102649
oh okay thanks

Now that the dust has settled, what went so wrong with all versions of Classic?

>>534103912
no asian human female option like in retail

The ffxiv pedo reject relapsing yet again

is there an easy way to get a 450+ weapon for my resto druid
im struggling out here

>>534106583
did you queue for the arena scenario? it gives you a 450 weapon

>>534103912
Turns out people don't really want a permanent rotation of nochanges servers, especially when all of that effort just becomes void when they move on to another expansion. I get that it's too much effort to maintain 6 different forms of classic era servers but they would've made a lot of money from people copying over characters, even if they never played them.
Hopefully they get it right with TBC and make a TBC era server, same for Wrath. But at this point, I think everyone just wants Classic+.

>>534110320
There hasn't been a single nochanges iteration in classic's tenure.
No, everyone wanted classic+ when SoD happened. Not anymore. The people who will hop on that retardation are the same halfwits that liked SoD. Retailers.

What class best fits a character that has ADHD in RP (as in, I don’t mean a class for people with adhd, I mean a class for the in-universe character)

>>534103912
game is too shallow, it only worked in 2004 because people used it as a chatroom and were dumb kids so they imagined a world much deeper than it actually was

Epoch won.

>>534111108
I don't see why both couldn't be applicable. A warrior that wants to go-go-go, and attack everything/challenge to duels seems plausible

>got a 496 chest from galleon

>>534111169
I literally played with older people in vanilla. WoW wasn't the first MMO, retard.
What happened and was apparent from the start, is parsies ruined WoW, enabled and supported by Microsoft-Activision-Blizzard.

>>534110320
I don't think permanent era servers of expansions past vanilla would be as popular as people think they would be. Most of the people playing beyond vanilla are raidloggers, they want progression. A static server would stagnate very quickly. The only reason vanilla kind of gets away with it is because people come for the leveling experience, and even then it's still got a pretty small playerbase.

Classic+ is definitely the way to go, but I wonder if they haven't missed the window of opportunity for that. I also don't think the devs really understand what made vanilla what it was and won't be able to recreate it. At this point, they should probably just retire classic altogether after reaching a certain milestone - let's say Legion - and then bring it back in 10 or 15 years when there's some nostalgia again. People are burnt out on vanilla, and every fresh release is going to have diminishing returns. The progression servers are losing steam. Let it go under for awhile, let people get hungry for it again, then bring it back out. They've got to realize they might not be able to hold people indefinitely, but there will always be people waiting to come back. People waited 15 years to play vanilla again, they will do it again, but you have to make them want it.

>>534112172
>I also don't think the devs really understand what made vanilla what it was and won't be able to recreate it.
Absolutely not, SoD was very obvious of that. They made a retail clone.

>>534106916
thank you i had no idea. i was seriously running around with a 416 staff for 20 heroics

Where is the Census

>>534112742
you can also exchange justice for honor and buy a 458 pvp weapon

it's a wonder that you keep talking about yourself in 3rd person and pretending to be multiple people
its been years of it too

>>534113918
You're not above him

soon wodbros

>>534114262
HFC gonna be so litty

>>534103912
people thought they did, but they didnt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1ScNWr48Ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1ScNWr48Ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1ScNWr48Ng

NEW SCHIZO KINO

>>534116664
>Hat indoors

>>534116664
never cheat, never lie
alex speaks until i die!

>>534111570
parsies proved that the game was shallow

>>534116664
Holy mother of KINO

>>534116664
grim

>>534103912
Too many subWhite brownoid mongrels

>>534111224
Is it fun? Is it buggy as shit?

>>534118404
No, it is them who are. Not only, but hollow.

>9 to 15k gold for engie from 1 to 600
fuck

>>534121000
Nope, the game is
thats why there is nothing to do but parse in shitnilla

>>534121242
what, are you broke?

>>534122423
just spent 8k now down to 8k leveling tailor for cloak enchant for my hunter for pvp

>>534114031
>3rd person again
lol @ u failed male

>>534103912
It was a bad idea in the first place and adding slop like chronoboon and layering to enable parsies made it worse.
MMOs always die without regular updates and timegated progression doesn't count as an update. The only right thing to do was making a new game with a similar philosophy to vanilla and that isn't happening.
I also think the entire cottage industry built around MMOs like data miners, paid guides, streamers, etc makes people care less about doing anything in game and only how to monetize it now

>>534122192
>vanilla
Retard, all they do is parse in retail. That's where the behavior is from, and incentivized.

>>534122547
You post more, and more bitterly. You're a veritable misery machine! Should airbrush your cheeks like a van door.

>>534122818
The irony is WoW killed all it's original and passionate "cottage industry." The new wave is purely grift maxxing, which is also why most of them are completely passive ball washers for all things Blizzard/

>>534122894
no, retail has M+ pushing and actual progression raiding, most guilds wont even clear content much less chase parses like vanillafags

>>534123070
>slide posts to avoid being called out
kurwa

Mopjeet wellness check? Lot of melties past few days

>>534129632
Still part of the greatest WoW trilogy where the game peaked

Haven’t been here in a few months. It’s even more grim than the last time. Might be time to shut down /wowcg/

>>534129632
I haven't seen any mop melties, only niller melties

>>534131402
I only see someone very upset at vanilla all the time, strange. I wonder why he's so upset

is dancing steel and jade spirit out in NA now?

Why did this image piss off redditors?

Hey guys, am I a dummy? I don't know too much about WoW AH but I know people will buy items for their appearance so I sometimes google the gear I pick up and I have some Ironspine greaves and saw someone else selling them for only 15 gold. But WoW head says they're worth 1000 gold, I just bought them and put both on the market for 1K.

Is this how that works?

>>534131940
Wrath in its entirety is more similar to Cata and TBC is more similar to patch 1.12 but yes

>>534132290
yes buy high and sell low

>>534132524
So someone CAN get the appearance from what I put on the market? The "eagle" and "the elder" suffix is just a level thing right?

>>534132509
Nah, TBC is very retail like.

>>534131759
I think you might be in a different thread cause I don't see that, I just see a bunch of nillers crying about pandas?

>>534116664
Alex quit this life coach bs and just come back to classic.

Any booster bulls able to send me a gold or 2 on my new char on dreamscythe?

>>534129632
doing good, just got the galleon mount. how's AQ going for you, friend?

>>534134272
Good to hear good to hear. I ain't doing AQ brother, anni is basically TBC waiting room which won't make anyone happy since no freshie for TBC and the vanilla players don't even want TBC in the first place. Leave it to blizzard to make nobody happy I guess

>wow forums literally crashing because of the amount of people complaining
yikes

>>534129632
>still posting your own spiteful variant of this
totally not seething while you do it im sure

>horde players already starting to quit casual pvp because blizzard gutted hardiness and not the will to survive
grim

>>534134728
>literally crashing
Ah yes, is this like their 'we're being ``ddoxed'' excuse?'

>>534136760
You mean Every Man For Himself.

>whoever has more healers wins

it was never fucking like this man

>>534136760
Based, little easy modo shitters finally get a taste of their own medicine and they instantly quit like babies

Nuke this thread and everyone in it

Free speech is a joke

>>534140685
true

>>534140685
>cried the cryniller

>>534141149
Polish subhuman

>>534141269
I'm not that retard
and second, that fag is a 'niller like (You)

>>534141780
Fuck your kurwa mother polack

>>534141982
niller gonna cryboom

>3 resto druids or mw monks every bg
>nothing dies

bros i cant take it, i think im going to unsub. It doesnt even matter what I do because its impossible to die as a healer if you have an IQ above 85

>subbed because of mop
Oh nonono

Did they fix the lag yet?

Less than 12 hours for The Great Cryboomering

>>534146926
Why?

>>534143738
same, getting full honour gear is a right of passage for me every expac but not this time..

AHEM
how is holy priest in MOP?

>>534140685
t. Microsoft-Activision-Blizzard employee

>>534147650
probably the least remarkable healer and not really any reason to play it over disc, but it's fine. all the healing specs are more than capable right now, you just won't be as cracked as disc or rsham.

>>534146926
It's cute how you manufacture opposition to claim victory over.

>>534147893
I'm trying to decide between making a draenei healer of some sort, or a blood elf healer...

>>534147893
Is rsham doing numbers at max? Felt like I was doing no dmg in lower dungs

>>534147846
Mazed pole

>>534148067
well they're a great healer but I don't know how much damage you're going to do. although I can crank out like 30k dps on bosses in heroics as an rsham and just leave a healing rain to cover heals, can't really do that in raids though.

>>534147950
try that one again without shaking and sobbing

>>534149414
Getting this mad over a word
'Niller

Time to BALAAAST!

>>534152117
Nigga drownin' in pussy. #justdwarfpriestthings

>>534152117
>titan panel
>notch

*pukes*

>>534152117
>compensating lack of partner with cats
Sad!

decent mw monks never die

>>534155671
shffwt, 'round the corner

>>534152117
We did reddit!

>>534155671
uh just stun (wait for immunity) restun restun fear (doesnt break on dmg) refear refear and silence them and they are dead

mop was the start of retail

how the fuck can monks literally fly across the entire WSG map

>>534159789
Wotlk was the start of retail.
DKs were immortal.

>>534159248

>>534159789
>le hero class is broken in the expansion it comes out
every single time

uh oh, this is really bad

>waited too long to get honor gear
>wintergrasp wont open anymore
>20min bg queue into a loss
>bg rewards are bugged and i dont even get the 90 honor for a loss
are there any other honor sources? i know 2 quest in wotlk that give 100 honor daily but thats it as far as i know

>>534138109
You do not lose in vanilla because of stun resist, you lose because you are bad and a ret paladin, a druid or a skilled rogue. Racials in vanilla are perfect, they are all situational against certain classes meanwhile in retail classic like WOTLK and mop some racials are just better in every single way.

>>534162397
meh. only 50k less than the first week of Cata, and about the same as the first raiding week of TBC. it will likely see a rise in the coming weeks like previous expansions did as more people get to 90 and gets alts to 90. it probably won't have as strong a middle as TBC did, but I bet the dropoff will be less harsh than Cata's was. it's obviously not at its heyday anymore, but it's not *that* bad. at least, we can't make that call until we see the next few weeks of data. all of these expansions peak around 3-4 weeks in.

the real outlier here is Wrath, but it was hugely inflated by gdkps and being incredibly alt friendly. the drop off after first phase of Cata was pretty bad too. but I think MoP will be a little more stable because ToT is what people want to see.

>>534163569
>all of these expansions peak around 3-4 weeks in.
actually that was a lie, only Wrath and Cata did. vanilla and TBC peaked a little later than that. but MoP will probably follow Wrath/Cata's trends more.

>>534163569
No a ton of people actually had wrath as the first time they played WoW, it's probably not alts when it starts out so high, it is most popular expansion on private servers and was when it was live too afaik. But people coming back to it do not keep the same interest whenever people simply cannot be bothered to complete the difficult raids.

>>534163063
>wotlk
>wintergrasp
huh
bro this is moppy time

>>534163959
yeah you might be right. I'm really just conjecturing.

in any case, Wrath is an outlier. it will never reach those numbers again. and I know people are eager to celebrate the death of MoP but these first week numbers really aren't that meaningful - TBC had nearly the same number of logs in its first week as MoP, but overall did much better than Cata which started stronger in its first week. I don't expect MoP to do TBC numbers but probably somewhere in between it and the lows of Cata.

>>534163063
You can run dungeon and exchange the justice points I think, me I usually just queue until I get the random BG win and do wintergrasp. Funny you can get so many valuable HKs from WG if you are horde.

What is the best solo spec for warlock these bc trash packs take FOREVER

>>534162373
>monks
>hero class
hero classes dont start at level 1.

>>534162397
Oof.

>>534163063
>>waited too long to get honor gear
>>wintergrasp wont open anymore
That's how you know the game is dead it's been two fucking weeks lmao

>>534165735
I believe it, I grinded the honor and playing BGs is just such an awful experience compared to anniversary, i don't think anyone at all would do it if they are not autistically obsessed with wow.

>>534162397
>re-release the same expansions
>the same thing happens

>>534166236
So apparently the reason it is this way is because it's "balanced around 3s", IE when you have 2 DPS 1 Healer you can easily win by simply rotating the DPSs CCs on the healer and killing someone because nobody dies or takes damage when he is present with this resilience, however in BGs you quickly end up 2-4 healers in one place resulting in nobody ever taking a single point of damage.

>>534164807
oh yeah i forgot you can exchange the points
thanks

G R I M

>mop 160k
>vanilla 85k
mop lost
vanilla lost
tbc won

nyooo... you dont understand ..... only the real try-hards raided on thursday.... most guilds only raid tuesday-wednesday so next week numbers should be higher....at least 250k .... trust the plan.....

'Nilla is unbeaten

Trannies learning to cope

>3 hours wiping on spirit kings cause the same nigger kept blowing up the raid

>>534173107
but there's more people playing MOP classic than any of the 'Niller versions?

>>534173515
>his statistics up front count pvp players from one version but not the other
i'm thinking brainlet spammer.

>>534173242
Holy shit, I remember fuming at the retarded rogue "parser" we had back in 2012. Stupid asshole would not stop auto attacking. He was the GM too so we couldn't even kick him.

>downtime
Erm... that was my stapler

Epoch won.

>>534178016
#factos

>>534122818
>adding slop like chronoboon
I'm still so mad over this. I hope they delete era and never revive vanilla after anni so that I never have to hear or deal with it ever again

Realmlist up

Honestly? Mop won. Big time.

does epoch exist yet?

>>534178016
>>534178142
>P-Please come to our private SHITver please!

The fuck is wrong with these "people"?

>>534179576
I'm probably going to give in and play it.
AQ is cancer and so is leveling alts in anni, I can't do this anymore.

>>534181382
I'm gonna do the reverse when my MoP alts are leveled and in cryostasis

how do I farm lessers fast

Mop won the best expansion award at the 2025 rainfurrest convention, congratulations!

>>534140685
just scroll past the posts that bother you sister bro

>>534162397
>mogging anniversary
>AGAIN
Oh no no no nillers

>>534181069
There's a reason why pve servers are called "Normal"

TBC is so fucking boring and I have no idea why people are excited for it.
>Need to max professions and grind mats that will be locked down by bots and jews just to get BiS
>Rep grinds are a fucking slog and extremely alt unfriendly (which might change this go around)
>only a few zones vs vanilla having dozens of zones
>Faggot elves all over the place on Horde
>world pvp craters
>Fun classes like Warrior and Rogue are in the cuckshed and extremely boring classes with braindead rotations like Hunter and Warlock will be meta

I wish they would just skip to WotLk.

>>534189067
Honestly, just straight up better raids. Even T4 is better than T7. T5 is really fun, Sunwell is probably my favorite raid from vanilla/TBC/Wrath and I cleared Ulduar HM on 25 week 2.

>>534189267
>rAids
Why don't you go wear a dress and play ocarina of time or sm64 instead?

>>534189067
why do you "need" to max professions exactly?
>its another warrior or rogue player who hates tbc
name a more iconic duo

>>534189067
>>Need to max professions and grind mats that will be locked down by bots and jews just to get BiS
Oh noo you need to play the game? good grief
>>Rep grinds are a fucking slog and extremely alt unfriendly (which might change this go around)
Oh noo you need to play the game? good grief
>>only a few zones vs vanilla having dozens of zones
the same zones that get abandoned once you reach max level in vanilla outside of Felwood and Burning steppes?
>>Faggot elves all over the place on Horde
This mad at pixels, lol
>>world pvp craters
Muh pvp "inv layer swap please" lol. lmao
>>Fun classes like Warrior and Rogue are in the cuckshed and extremely boring classes with braindead rotations like Hunter and Warlock will be meta
No need to make excuses, just say you're a brownie or pissyellow mad that you'll be benched

>>534189067
It is not at all popular, least popular expansion on pservers, classic shrank from vanilla during TBC. You are just letting internet posts by spammer retards and e-celeb fans making posts warp your view when it is objectively the low point of classic not just according to popularity.

Titanforged servers will save us. Trust in China. Trust in the gamescom announcement in two weeks.

>>534189830
because its the white man's expansion. meanwhile warmane and turtle are swarmed by bugs and browns

>>534190428
It's like vanilla with grinds that take forever and like retail or WOTLK with flying mounts, dead world and daily quests, basically the worst of both worlds expansion but people are nostalgic about it

>>534189067
Vanilla is too autistic and Wrath is a mess. TBC is the closest thing to a perfect version of WoW.

>>534190842
>retail out of nowhere

>>534190842
>It's like vanilla with grinds that take forever
much like rank 14?

>>534190914
That's the story of classic wow, you're playing classic then suddenly it's retail(TBC), why did this happen where did it come from you know nobody asked for it but yet here it is out of nowhere

>>534189481
I'm an Enh shammy main but I'm not a fucking retard who will play meme specs. Let me guess: you were a ret paladin in vanilla?

>>534190860
Vanilla could be fixed if they just nerfed how many buffs you could bring into a raid or just banned swiping in general. How was Wrath a mess? Its the comfiest version of WoW.

>>534191093
The R14 grind is peculiar, even the nerfed version people call welfare is actually insane and longer than pretty much any other in any game. Basically obligatory 2 months grinding is crazy, though the fact is people actually enjoy PVP somewhat makes it a lot easier.

>>534191187
>i don't like this game therefore that makes it retail
I didn't know TBC had mythic+ and mythic raiding and allied races and cross faction grouping and much more

>>534191446
>though the fact is people actually enjoy PVP somewhat makes it a lot easier.
Mmmm yes Alterac Valley, famously known for being more PVP focused than "drek or kek" runs

>>534191301
Almost every tier/patch has issues
>reheating Naxx
>Ulduar is fine I guess despite having some of the worst bosses ever
>TotGC being 5 bosses in 2 rooms (or 1 room depending on your point of view)
>LFD patch destroying WoW forever
I honestly think T7 was the best part of Wrath, which is pretty sad. The second half of the expansion is unbearable

>>534192424
>>LFD patch destroying WoW forever
this debunked meme again?

>>534192018
It's just a fact people actually enjoy it, people would call me crazy for grinding furbolgs for the epic trinket on each of my characters, but it's like 3 days of Furbolg poaching and then they sit in AVs killing vandrar or feel for literally months.

The longer I play WoW, the more I realize Classic players need some form of autistic grind to stay engaged.
In vanilla, it was leveling once and then consumable grinding. With anni, the R14 grind was added in and people kind of hated it.
In TBC, it's reputation grinding then doing the profession grind before finally settling on consumable grinding.
Wrath has none of that.
I guess the game needs to hit a nice balance of grindy but not too grindy and fun. That replay value needs to be there. Look at MoP dailies right now, they're hated universally because they're just bad quests. Look at Legion world quests, the #1 complaint wasn't that they were boring quests but rather player power was tied to logging in every day and this went on for an entire expansion.
Maybe people are okay with "fun grinds" as long as they only have to do them once, emphasis on the fun.

>>534192628
>my personal opinions are facts
ok

>>534192586
how is it debunked? go play lfd in mop right now for a few hours and report back on what an excellent experience you have

>>534192750
What are you talking about Legion dailies were hell. And there was that fucking weapon thing. Fuuuuck that

>>534192991
So why are so many people playing anniversary when the grinds are so insane? Add a 2 month grind to MoP or sodomy to get BiS, you understand nobody does it or plays it?

>>534192750
the real red pill is realizing farming edgemaster's handguards from world mobs is the peak of WoW.

>>534192750
>grinding is a staple in mmos
welcome to 25 years ago, newfriend

>>534193251
People hate spending weeks and months in the same stale AV grind, as well as thousands of gold in vanilla and TBC in consumables, but they do it anyway just to see themselves up in the damage meters, not because the grind is enjoyable
If it wasn't for that, people wouldn't do it at all, alas...

>>534193624
Tell the devs that bru

>>534193305
Sort of true, MMOs always entail grinding and when you desperately want to delude yourself you are not grinding it's just a sign the game is actually garbage.

>>534193105
The same I'd get from vanilla or TBC but the only difference being that the dungeon starts with "hi, hello" and ends with "ggs, bye"

>>534193745
Yes they hate it but not to the extent they simply do not make a character on Anni and play it, it's actually quite an amazing success to not hate enough to quit something you do for that long.

>>534193921
That's crap unless you started recently. Classic '19 was very chatty and fun, like times of olde.

>>534194080
No shit that it was different in 2019. I was there too. But you were talking about Today, not the "back in my day" days

>>534194026
Ever heard of sunken cost and addiction?

Drive-by tourist here - what kind of leaks are there about Gamescon for WoW Classic(s)?

classic+ leaks (internal name sod2)
https://files.catbox.moe/z026nm.mp4

>>534194631
And? People say a video game is "addictive" because they like it playing it, all the time. And it's not really comparable to drugs or gambling.

>>534184572
We all know the might of nilla as it is the hardest version to get people to raid

>>534195192
It absolutely is comparable to gambling.

>>534189067
None of what was said was a real argument

Bc is truly goat tier

>>534195192
>And it's not really comparable to drugs
Addiction isn't strictly a drug only thing

>>534195192
Gaming is one to one with substance abuse excluding physical withdrawals

>>534195601
Not really, you win and lose actual money from gambling, it's not the same as something that's always ultimately entertainment.

>>534195969
bruh just because its not a 1:1 comparison doesnt mean both things cant be an addiction

>>534196556
Addicts tend to be in denial and claim they're not addicted when you call them out
that should give you a clue lol

>>534195969
Game is basically whack a mole with a % on bling from start to finish (there is no end)
Nooooo its not gambling because its not real moneys

>>534194732
Nothing so far, can only really make educated guesses that NA/EU might be getting that Titanforged realm that China is getting.

niller gonna cryboom

>all the osrs grifterse came back for mop and retail
>no one is streaming anniversary
nillerbros...

>>534199637
fresh is stale
we need fresh

>people actually take their parse seriously in vanilla when there is 0 skill involved and its all reliant on how much gold your grinding or buying (which is the majority of players) for consumes
LMFAO.

>>534200616
YOU WILL buy ZE 1000g worth of consumables for EVERY SINGLE RAID or you will be KICKED from ze GUILD because you cost us an extra FIFTEEN SECONDS of time!
You WILL not roll on ZAT weapon because you are NOT a warrior!

>dailies
Mop sissies NOT LIKE THIS
UHH OHHHHH
OH NONONONO

Hot DAMN the numbers buck broke the lil niller hard today

>>534200616
>people who cant cut it in actual competitive games use an easy one to inflate their ego
its like 80% of the playerbase too lmfao

Who do I side with?

>>534201274
Schizo babble lmfao

send me gold on nightslayer horde pls. char name is grimlic

owned so hard he rage whispers lol

>>534201876
found one
is it any concidence that "pumpers" in vanilla never play any other version of wow where having a high parse actually matters more?

>mop sissies

>>534201765
scryers are gay

>>534202547
Inventing stuff in your polish head again

>>534203636
How many times do we have to tell you that the polish retard ITT is pro 'nilla

>>534203809
Pizdec ?

>>534141780
skibidi kurwa

>>534204120
Hehe, he said piss-dick

puppet.

are there any decent gold farms i can do as a geared warlock on classic? i'm tailoring/engineering so i cant do the dire maul thing

>>534208374
Yea work a job irl and buy gold like every one else.

https://streamable.com/bijj10

>>534208871
Sorry polish retoilet, he wants to p l a y the game

>>534209352
ladies and gentlemen
we got him

>>534208374
Well it's AQ season so people need nature protection potions from earth elementals and cenarion rep items.

>>534209352
He's so jaded and used to dying with his boofies to the point he doesn't flinch anymore

>830 pandaria solves and still missing 2 pristine artifacts

>>534209352
'niller cryboomer wellness check

>>534201765
Where is his wheelchair?

>Fia playing poker
>Did I win?
Lmao she's so fucking stupid holy shit, I need to fuck her

>>534199637
bros...

>>534217989
Whomst

>>534220578
My oshi

>>534132576
Yes, once you equip it for the appearence; the suffixes don't matter. The suffix is there to indicate you the alternative stats that it's giving you. "Of the bear" gives you stamina and STR, for example

holy...

Are we cooked?

>>534222757
Hard to know without a proper census

>>534222757
You'll know in 2 weeks when it actually peaks.

>>534222757
2 more weeks. Trust the plan.

>>534222757
most guilds raid tue-wed and can't raid on release day. will have to wait til next report to see actual numbers

>>534222757
>more than anniversary
'nillers love to farm Ls

>>534222757
It's over. Not even the relentless shilling by streamer saved this dogshit expansion.

That's a filtered ID

>>534220578
This guy's wife that I have been fucking https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/520683857#520710764

dance

>>534222757
>mogged by scata
grim

>>534180345
>does epoch exist yet?
how many of you tried epoch and quit because they failed so miserably with their launch?

i still haven't tried it and currently don't intend to based on how it seems to have gone. so i am asking genuine questions for anons that tried to play this server.

some 10 days later, is it finally playable or still all sorts of fucked up?

>>534223658
>nillers
I see, you're shadowboxing at imaginary enemies again.

>>534222757
>tfw when nillers are about to cryboom

it's always funny flying by a pandaren rare and seeing skeletons there. spinning crane kick pvmps

>>534222757
>Wotlk hype was so peak that it pulled up the raiding scene on the last month of Burning Crusade

It truly was the best expansion

>>534224583
we'll see next week, but yeah that's fucking sad.

I still have no idea what a niller is

>>534225342
to be fair cata's first tier is way better than mop's first

>furfag cashgrab is flopping
OH NO NO NO NO MOP SISSIES!
HA HA HA HA HA HA

>>534225428
a player might call someone a "niller cryboomer" if they’re ranting about how Classic WoW is better than the current retail version or complaining about simplified mechanics in newer expansions like The War Within. The term is often used humorously but can be derogatory, implying the player is stuck in the past and overly emotional about changes.

>>534222757
>Are we cooked?
what is the source for this data? i am really interested...

if we take this data to be accurate and representative, note how history seems to be repeating itself. the only anomalies compared to old blizzard sub counts data is that vanilla is as popular as TBC. the first time around in 2004-2007, TBC was more popular than vanilla and Wrath was only slightly more popular than TBC and Cata was only slightly less popular than Wrath, about the same popularity as TBC.

but we can also see the design philosophy shift that caused cata to be called the first "retail" expansion expressed in these numbers even more so than it had been originally during the OG cata years.

for reference, Cata was critically acclaimed as much as any other WoW expansion before it, literally shilled by every game critic, influencer, and publication at the time. and the overall subs during cata were a touch higher than subs during TBC. it is the #2 most popular expansion of all time, after wrath, by the actual numbers.

so Cata was never "bad" and for the majority of original wow players when it was new, it was actually PEAK world of warcraft. i.e., the opposite of bad.

i'm not afraid to admit it. cata was my favorite expansion, but i am also objectively right for having loved it.

suck it "scata" losers.

>>534225748
>>534225884
>unironic ai generated replies
so this is the power of vanilla players...

The inevitable future of mop sissies is to just become another r*toilet paypig. Sad!

>>534222757
niller cryboomer wellness check

>>534222757
https://onesixtwo.club/scv/res/2556684.html#2556981

Epoch won

I will endeavor to explain why people who enjoyed all of the following:
Vanilla
TBC
Wrath
Cata

Hated MOP:
removing talents. this was one of the worst game decisions by blizzard of all time. it's was a serious fuck you to anyone who has ever enjoyed leveling a character in an RPG.

this has been my main thesis on why MOP blows all along. and yet at the same time i happy for anyone that likes MOP. it had many good aspects across all areas of the end-game, but completely destroying any fun in the leveling process was a serious business mistake. and when i say leveling, i mean the whole 1-90, not just the last couple of levels from 85-90.

effectively deleting talents from the game almost completely was why MoP sucked so bad, and no one can prove me wrong on this.

>linking cp websites
uhmm

>>534225960
>unironic ai generated replies
thanks nigger, i will take that as a compliment since i am not an ai, just smarter than you.

and i can see your anti-AI bias stems from your personal struggle with reading more than 20 words at a time.

How are druids as healers in vanilla and TBC?
I just want to be a healfag in raids

Which version of WoW is the least Jewish?

>>534227528
Holy seethe

>>534228054
wow is jewish by nature, it was developed and financed by a jew

>>534228054
wrath

Is soloing TBC raids still good gold?

>>534225960
this is a niller cryboomer who got filtered by cata

>>534222757
>Advertise a product as Classic
>Not Classic

Like pottery.

>>534222757
God DAMN this is driving nilla boys MAD

>forced transfers to retail once mop ends
what a grim fate for classic players

Classic?

I tried watching retail content again, jesus, insta close

>>534230170
only version of the game worth playing rn

>>534231315
too many buttons for you nillerbabby?

I'm fairly new to wow and used to play a blood elf warlock. And while I like the warlock gameplay, I wanted to play Draenei too. But since warlock isn't available to them, I'm not sure which class to play. I picked Priest and intend on being a Shadow Priest.
Is this a good choice, or should I pick somehing else? I'm on a pve server btw.

Within 3 years or so we will be able to run our own AI Servers and by then the game will finally die as an mmo.

>>534231315
what happened sis?

https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/item=95566

The massive exodus of WoW players to OSRS should be (another) wake-up call to Blizzard to take Classic+ seriously and to create a more direct pipeline for player-directed content, feedback, and discussion

>>534234335
You can do that now

>>534222757
same first week raiding numbers as TBC, which did better than Cata overall despite Cata's stronger first week. first week means nothing. but I know you will all ignore that to doompost.

>>534235809
>People used this to sacrifice themselves on Heroic Garrosh
>If you got the purple circle that people had to dip in and out of, you killed yourself with the dagger, the mechanic completely negates itself and you got rezzed and kept going

>>534236616
Not good enough. I mean ai that behaves and interacts like actual players. Hundreds of them.

>>534227368
I agree it sucks for leveling and is probably a detriment to attracting new players. But I've honestly grown to like it at endgame. My spec has like 6 different combinations of talents or more that are all viable and actually meaningfully change my playstyle. It's been fun messing around with them.
But yeah, the leveling experience is gutted, I won't deny that. I don't think it's that big a deal though. It makes it harder to attract new players, but how many new players were really coming to classic at this point anyway? It doesn't make a difference to raidloggers who are just gonna monkey run to 90 and spend the expac doing endgame content, which is probably the majority.

>wanted to do the achievements for the new battlegrounds
>remembered im playing h*rde

>>534222757
How did scata, "the worst expansion of all time", mog mists this badly?

How long will it take me to level from 70 to 85? I really want to join in the MoP stuff before it dies out

>>534239002
People thought it wasnt going to be that bad and it wasnt. Just extremely mediocre and forgettable. MoP is just retail lite.

>>534239002
first tier of cata was good and also you didnt need to grind dailies to buy gear

>>534239002
oh NOW Cata is good

>>534239002
Cata started off stronger but had a huge drop off after the first month. MoP's first week numbers are basically the same as TBC's and TBC was much stronger than Cata overall. It's really too early to compare them.

>>534239607
not a good thing for mop since hof and toes are harder than msv

>>534231756
I decided to jump back in since putting it off at legion. The gearing feels extremely retarded. The fact there are no more loot tables anymore blows my mind because its just simpler and a lot more fun. Now you have an actual rat wheel tier farming sim and it feels like it was manufactured in a lab.

The renown and time gating are annoying. The world also looks ugly as fuck now compared to the older xpack zones.

>>534240093
>Now you have an actual rat wheel tier farming sim and it feels like it was manufactured in a lab.
And the "JED runs/arena runs/HoJ runs" aren't?
lol?

>>534240189
You have to do jed/arena/HoJ runs every 3 months?

>>534239748
SSC and TK were much harder than Kara, but TBC had a fairly stable pop throughout based on that graph. I'm not expecting MoP to perform as well as TBC, don't get me wrong, it's on the downswing for sure. but people are really jumping to conclusions too quickly.

>>534240335
Already moving the goalpost huh

>>534240595
Here's your (you). Reply again with something retarded because I command you to.

>>534239002
Why don't they opened all 3 raids? MSV is a boring raid

>>534240732
You're a smart person.

>healers can actually die in PVP with conquest weapons
how long till Blizzard caves to healer trannies and changes this?

I just hit 90 on MOP. What's a quick way to get honor for pvp gear? I just want to do arena

https://www.youtube.com/@AlexSpeaks91/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@AlexSpeaks91/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@AlexSpeaks91/videos

we're all here btw

>>534240189
>loot table that can be attained with time
>vs RNG shit

>>534242430
Truly grim

Alexensual runs this general

>>534222757
i miss 2019 so much...