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>WHAT IS HELLDIVERS 2?
HELLDIVERS 2 is a 2024 crossplay, co-op, squad-based, PvE 3rd person shooter for PC, PS5 and XBox Series X/S where players fight against hordes of alien insects, robots and squids to Spread Democracy™. Players wage war on a number of contested planets, each with a different environment, completing as many objectives as possible in a procedurally generated level while constrained by a time limit. With enough successful operations, a planet can be defended or liberated, and the player base must cooperate to try to liberate the entire galaxy by focusing and combining their efforts as much as possible.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers-2/
https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/store/helldivers-2/9mx9wn9dfpgt

>WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST HELLDIVERS GAME?
Released in 2015 for PC, PS3/4 and PS Vita, the original HELLDIVERS is a shared screen top-down shooter in the same setting. Its mechanics were based primarily on Arrowhead's first game, Magicka.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/394510/HELLDIVERS_Dive_Harder_Edition/
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers/


>LOBBY HOSTING
https://files.catbox.moe/83ixkr.png
>MODDING
https://files.catbox.moe/c81ogo.png

>INFORMATION RESOURCES
https://helldivers.wiki.gg/
https://helldiverscompanion.com/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1xA_wuSuV6NORqUCt1aZ203raG4HuUJ85btqmn0ld56U/htmlview

>MAJOR NEWS
Jul 02 Warbond Token https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/516339785321679794
Jul 03 XBox release Aug 26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTs9VDm4KAU
Jul 17 Control Group https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8FKZG2lPBw

>LATEST PATCHES
Jul 15 1.003.200 https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/601909716088521243
Jul 16 1.003.201 https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/516341688493408284

nerftroons lost, the game is fun and will continue to grow more fun

Wwyd if the squiggers took your girl?

only brownoids below this post

the vast majority of the player base wants a more challenging max difficulty

I believe /hdg/ owes bugGODs a:
THANK YOU, BUGGODS!

>>534094217
The vast majority of the playerbase plays D6. It's never happening.

>>534094217
you just want the game to be more annoying, not more difficult.

>hours long nerftroon meltie
Yikes

>>534094380
d11 is all but confirmed
stealth nerfs are back on schedule
tried to stun a charger with your gay lance lately? LMAO
60-day patch rollback is poised to follow

>>534094380
>D6
I blame controllers. PSniggers have no control over their thumbs enough to aim properly and reaction time of a dying frog.

>>534094757
will you ever stop posting AI slop?

Why does this thing get to be as common as a hulk while having 2.5x the health on their "weakspot" that you can't hit past 20meters from the ragdoll machine. Since almost no one actually goes for that they hit the legs with 5x the health.
Was this thing purpose built to destroy the viability of AP4 supports? It takes 5 hits on the "weakspot" for both AC and AMR and 9-10 respectively to the leg. The only half-way decent AP4 is the HMG which takes 40 shots to the leg.
All of the extra time it gets to be alive it spends ragdolling you. It doesn't even kill you directly most of the time. I die more to Hulk Bruisers since they actually aim at you. Why does this matter? I want this thing gone as soon as possible and the best way to do that is rockets.
Three of these fuckers drain 15-30 ammo from an AMR assuming you don't miss once from skill issue or ragdolling. They are an extreme ammo sink using any AP4, even when hitting their "weakspot".

>play with friends who have slow reaction time from playing too many turn-based games and AAA slop
D7, maybe D8 for a challenge
>playing with FPS/TPS shooter friends
D10 with variety of loadouts.

>>534095040
AC and AMR deserve some roadblocks botside, I say this as the fag that played both weapons more than anyone else here. Warstriders die to one thermite or one EAT. They're vastly underpowered on both offense and defense as well as underarmored. A thorough disappointment. My faith in humanity is suffering every time someone insinuates this joke enemy is anything but.

>>534095040
I always hit the legs with a commando and they go down in like two shots. The legs are the weak spot retard.

>>534095040
just don't roll a "rushdown" constellation you stupid chud

>>534086716
What are the bottom images?

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244251948335/76561197991006769
Bots 3/4

>>534095290
d10 for all of them alongside mockery for everyone engaged in brainrot genres

>>534094948
Thanks for the (You) faggot.

>>534095642
>3/4 before being posted
tranny lobby

>>534095697
>mockery
>HD2
Anyone that plays other shooters would mock (You) for even suggesting Helldivers 2 is difficult at all.

>>534095040
These should be the AP4 weakpoints.

>>534095750
please stop spamming these

>>534095535
>Doesn't read
>Talks about AP5
>Doesn't know about the hip joint
Incredible

>>534096032
>muh AP4 should melt EVERYTHING if I know how to aim for 2 seconds
So what's the point of AP5 then?

>>534096253
>So what's the point of AP5 then?
Doing everything AP4 can but faster.

The stalwart needs 1800 RPM
>why
It just does, ok?

>>534096253
making the game less fun
I hate how emphasized AT has gotten in the meta, there's no skill ceiling to it, just a noobtube point and click adventure

>534094217
(You) lost, nerftranny.
60-day buff patch sequel coming soon.

>xe's replying to xergself now

>>534096329
>faster
It sounds like you just wanna gloat for being able to ID weakpoints and aim at them.
>>534096542
>AT weapons made by a Super Sci fi Society should not be able to penetrate armored vehicles
Even irl man portable AT weapons BTFO heavy armor.

>>534094158
We'd kill him.

>>534090126
HMG is stellar vs bugs. Post 60 day patch the higher caliber is always the better one.

>tranny sock puppet convo from last thread
It’s all so tiresome

>Automaton energy shield brigade
>Shielded drop ship
>Shielded hulk
>Shielded heavy/rocket dev
>Shielded strider
>Shielded war strider
>Shielded fact strider with support shield protecting the entire field

>>534095434
How would you go about dealing with them outside of EAT(and other rockets) or Thermite with an AP4?
"Just bring the same thing every time" gets stale so actually think about it.

>>534096874
I'm not interested in what AT weapons should do. I'm merely stating that the game was more interesting when they played a minor role. You have to be a noob tubing retard to disagree.

inshallah someday our laser technology will be as accurate as unguided rockets

>>534096961
Energy shields fit squids more imo.
Physical shields fit bots better, see the trooper on stilts and devastator. That’s just my take

>>534097062
Full auto AC at its crotch/joints. Feasible due to 100% durable damage. I don't do that often so I can't tell you how many good hits it takes but it's not prohibitively many.
As for AMR, just never use that thing on any high durability target. It just can't cut through properly.

>>534097069
>im not interested in discussion, i just want to whine and bitch
I see.

>>534097453
You've been whining for 7 months straight last year. Might not wanna throw that particular stone from your glass house.

>>534097185
I don’t mind the spread really, but I also enjoy the new sound effects so grain of salt I guess.
Love me sickle.

>>534097185
This is a plasma weapon SE rigged out of existing laser technology and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

>>534097406
Sounds like you have never actually tried it before. It takes more than 10 for the AC hitting the crotch and more than a mag for the AMR for any part that is not the hip joint.
Also actually read my post because I put numbers in there.

>>534097406
Is weakening heavy targets with eagle strafe or 110 rockets a viable combo for AP4 weapons?

>>534097845
>more than 10
That's not much. AC is designed for rapid fire.

>>534097398
soon

>>534097665
spread is a crutch they use to handicap the player because they can't implement actual difficulty like better ai or enemy design. oh, you can aim? sorry buddy, the random number generator decided you actually missed

>>534097949
>bot subfaction obsessed with the bugs
>there stalkers/hunters/pouncers larping units:
Getting flashbacks to the Algerian chick from metal gear for some reason.

>>534097932
Needing to full reload is not much? A sixth of your entire ammo count on a single enemy?
This isn't a factory strider, these things are common. I guess you don't want to use that AC on hulks or devs.

>>534096054
>Spam
>Literally 2 images
You dont know what that word means

I wish bots deployed twice the number of tanks

>>534097901
For removing/softening heavies? Yes and no. Kind of. Strafing needs a perfect hit to destroy an ap5 target in one run and rocket pods are still too weak for comfort imo. They also don't always target what they should. Honestly the best cheat code you can get for an ap4 build is EAT. Bring it alongside AC, HMG, AMR etc, call down EAT as needed, remove your quota of heavies with it, pick up your regular support weapon afterwards, then mop up leftovers with weak point shots. Once you're used to juggling supports it's a foolproof strategy.

>>534096874
>Even irl
Why do you think the most effective irl man-portable anti-tank weapons are all top-attack munitions? Because tanks have lots of armour that is specifically designed to protect against the kinds of warheads man-portable anti-tank uses, so man-portable anti-tank has to specifically target the thinnest and least protected part of the tank. you can't just shoot a tank anywhere with a 84mm carl gustav non-tandem HEAT shell and get a kill like you can with the recoilless in game. And even if you do penetrate the armour unless you cause an ammunition cookoff you're not blowing up the tank. You'll wound or kill a few crew members or disable the tanks ability to carry out its mission, but you're not getting the kind of instant catastrophic detonation you get in game by clipping the track guard. You're trying to appeal to real life when real life disagrees with you. The recoilless is the absolute definition of a noobtube.

>Need to abandon mission because Stratagem for nursery nuke just wont show. Im moving to sweden. Apparently they can get away with not working at all and still keep a job

>>534098470
I wish the bots would stop flying factory walkers in on dropships that are half its size. Its silly.

Ya know. If might suck a bit at a few spots but if you have not done it yet. Highly recommend the autism maxing 25/25 every primary route. I've only done 7 of them so far since i came back but it has gotten me to really sit down and rethink how I feel about each weapon. Until you force yourself to use it and for a good long while with different stratagems and enemies and most importantly comparing it to every other weapon. You cannot appreciate all the little nuisances and benefits/weaknesses. It can't hurt anything and will add a bit of spice to life if you're getting bored. Upside is you might find you like a new weapon a hell of a lot more then you thought you would and you will be an absolute paragon of knowledge when it comes to primaries.

>check reddit out of curiosity
>frontpage is a redditor crying about the fact that an alpha commander killed him
>he's top 1% of the subreddit

>>534098406
Who said anything about full reload? Dispense 9 rounds, reload, dispense another, reload again, rinse and repeat.
>A sixth of your entire ammo count
Equivalent of one small supply box. Yeah it's not much.
>I guess you don't want to use that AC on hulks or devs
Like I said I don't do it often, but it's feasible and easy to do.

>>534097398
>trooper on stilts
reminded of me this

>>534098895
>r*ddit
>even once
You now have reddAIDS, you have to go back and stay there.

>>534098895
>check reddit
Stay there.

>>534095040
I fucking hate how much these niggers ragdoll me, but at the same time it does make me respect them whenever I'm positioning.

>>534099130
>>534099152
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1mib4zg/their_after_death_attack_irritate_me_so_much

>>534098694
>unbeatable arguments
umm.... uhhhhh.... go back to ARMA, nerftroon

>>534097813
Yeah, there are definitely lines blurred from beam weapon -> sickle/talon -> quasar -> plasma weapons proper
Still love me sickle
Hate plasma
Simple as
>>534098365
I don’t mind weapons having some spread in general, as long as there is proportional payoff.
I was thinking about it, and the explosive plasma weapons having more spread than their counterparts is fine by me. Theyre new tech more or less from the bots and now seemingly squids, so maybe they haven’t figured out how to properly calibrate them yet. At least,‘that’s what I headcannon with weapons like the punisher and epoch existing and lobbing plasma nades. They haven’t got the precision end of the package down locked down tight.
>>534098694
How big are bot tanks vs irl main battle tanks? They could always just be made of yesteryears armor vs todays penetrators.
>t shamelessly enjoys quasaring everything into oblivion when I don’t miss each and every one of my 3 shots per minute.

>>534099281
wait until they find out that most bugs can be pseudo parried with melee

>>534098470
I wish tanks pathed and attacked more like tanks, instead of just trying to run you over and get flanked.

>>534099089
Robutts in the highest heels when?

>>534099089
>stim through this you filthy blood bag

>>534099596
This opened my godamn eyes like half a year ago to how much easier bugs are then most people think.
>decap alpha
>melee his revenge corpse once
>he is staggered until he dies twice due to his own melee wind up
Simply as peaches once you got the tempo. You can congo line a dozen of them.

>>534099630
>>534099662
>each faction get their own sniper unit
>squid gets teleporting sniper
>bugs get...somethingidk
>bots get stilt bots

>>534098694
NTA, but I've tried to talk about how it would be nice if more enemies had weakpoints on top of them and more armor on their fronts, so that to properly kill things like tanks, hulks, and factory striders you'd either have to aim for eyes, have a height advantage, or flank them.
The issue with the Spear, as well as the webm you posted, is that Swiggers are retarded, and can't do anything right.

>>534099281
>doesn't know you can just punch them while headless and they'll bleed out before they can recover from the knockback
>dives straight backwards into the path of its attacks instead of sideways
he already demonstrated going sideways avoids them yet he still went backwards....

>Steam notification pops up
>fren launches ARMA 2: Operation Arrowhead
>get utterly triggered

>>534098694
Either rely on a teammate to bring AT or bring EATs. I bring commando all the time. AP4 niche is either deleting masses of heavy infantry or picking off armor at a safe distance. The War Strider demands you stay the fuck back and snipe. Even RR users get fucked over hard if they get caught in a knockdown loop from its grenade launchers.

>>534099281
The shitty slow-mo edit to show the alpha commander completely missing as if he was dodging the attacks in the first place is the cherry on top.

>>534099932
Someone here told me to do that, and I haven't died to an alpha since. It's magical.

>>534099932
wish I could do it more consistently against hunters. would make their jump attacks more bearable. or maybe I'm just ass

>>534098750
Wot gun did you learn the most from/where pleasantly surprised the most by, respectively.

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244258870047/76561199108851031
d10 whatevs

>>534099453
>Theyre new tech more or less from the bots and now seemingly squids, so maybe they haven’t figured out how to properly calibrate them yet

>>534099948
I know it is just aping the shit out of 40k again but I would totally be down for a lictor variant of the stalker. Where their tongue has much longer reach and yoinks you in and rag dolls you instead of pushing you back. It stalks the group, or lone helldivers if it finds someone split off, and waits until you're actively fighting/distracted. Amber alerts one of you while the confusion breaks group cohesion and then specifically attacks the legs to break them. Could even give it a new debuff where you can stim for health but for a few seconds after it hits you with melee stims will not fix limbs. So it can actually hound your and cause you to burn stims or break your legs and solo you off if your allies cannot break away to help you. Since you will be unable to physically run away fast enough.

>>534100327
2/4

>>534099948
>bugs get...somethingidk
I don't really like the idea of bile snipers, so the first thing that came to my head was basically a wasp-like thing that reels up at long range before lunging at you in a mostly straight line at high speeds. Basically a suicide sniper.

>>534100327
3/4

>>534099948
Squid snipers should be bullshit. This is in tons of games, but for some reason the only one I can think of atm are the ones from AC6
>invisible
>teleport
>require a proper mag dump to get rid of

>>534100458
>having an enemy cripple you in a split second with no chance for recovery
No, not happening. I liked the grab idea but that's about it. It should drag you around while other bugs pummel you until you do enough damage to the grabber bug.

>>534100327
A4 NOOOOO

>>534100693
so a shrieker but fast?

>>534100693
How about a buf with venom fangs that fire out like a ballistic knife. The venom debuffs your speed and does small health damage over time. Stimming brings the health back up but the venom still eats away until it's timer is up. Venom attacks stack so if multiple venom bugs shoot at you your health will melt faster.

>>534100327
NO, NO, NO, LET ME BACK IN, SWIGGER CODE CAN'T KEK ME LIKE THIS!!!

>>534100925
I mean cripple you but not perma ragdoll you or like most gloom bugs literally combo you to death with zero chance to break the chain. It is specifcally wounding you and not outright killing you instantly in an effort to make sure you can't just dolphin dive and mass stim to safety. Instead it will give you time to scream for help or 1v1 mefaget against a turbo stalker. You'll have the HP from the stims but you just won't have to option to keep diving away and running. You are dealing with this problem.

>>534099948
>Add snipers
>Just hide behind cover like I always do
Man I wouldn't actually mind that. Specially if they spawn in numbers that amr esque weapons are more efficient to take them out.

>>534100906
>AC6 Snipers
Stagger mechanic fucks them up pretty easily. Killing a staggered bullet sponge that can't fight back isn't fun.

>>534100327
full

i wish the mmg were better, i really fucking love it

i wish we had the old 1200rpg hmg

i wish every gun fired faster in general

reddit spacing

>>534101486
Sniper enemies (ones with genuinely massive range, not capped at 60m for retard friendliness) would enhance the gameplay immensely but >muh community would hate it. They genuinely don't want to be bothered to aim at things. The Helldivers crowd by and large hates shooters as well as shooter tropes. Needing to countersnipe some fucking squid off a rock some 250m in the distance is nightmare fuel to these people.

>>534101221
I'd still have them walk around on the ground to get in optimal positions before doing their leap. If anything it would be closer to a Hunter or Stalker.
>>534101264
That's a pretty good idea actually. I enjoy the whole death by a thousand cuts idea.

>>534101817
should be capped to 60 meters desu, and should just look for flank routes to take pot shots at you. Like teleports out and appears behind you when you're in cover. That'd be cool.

>>534101264
sure, but no speed debuff. shit we have is annoying enough already

>>534101476
>scream for help
>no limb regen
No one wants to do that. Co-op gameplay /= needing teammates to deal with bullshit enemies. Having teammates simply makes things easier and faster to deal with. Let it drag me around, but let me fight back or at least assess the situation. You're treating players like wounded animals, when they are supposed to be soldiers so determined to kill the enemy they will die trying.

I just want the dogs for bots

>>534102035
should have a similar range to bot turret towers at least. if not then it's just a shitty sniper

>>534102202
I want manhacks for bots.

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244260487055/76561198358676023
D10 Bots | Varylia 5 (Two missions each with a convoy)

>>534101817
>the tranny idea of difficulty is a loadout check
boy color me surprised

>>534102035
It just doesn't make sense to me to put a gameplay loop on a large open map with diverse geography but then compress all the action into a small radius around players to the point of outright despawning active+aggroed enemies if the distance exceeds a certain threshold. Unless there's a technical need for such things they simply shouldn't happen.

>>534101476
I do think we need hunters for this game

>>534102094
>no speed debuff
You have to account for retards thinking their health being eaten by the venom is a glitch. Getting hit by the venom should elicit some visual effect like the Experimental Infusion or else they won't understand WHY they can't out stim the damage.

Oh fuck off. Why do I always forget about Tuesday's shenanigans with Steam

>>534102262
did somebody say convo-ACK

>>534102331
>asked to take one (1) item that's not woefully range constrained
>BAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW THIS IS A GEAR CHECK
lol what a bitch. Pot calling the kettle a nigger.

>>534102351
>Unless there's a technical need
Nigga this has to run in a PS5. It's been how long and you don't understand that? And no, the PS5 using AI frame gen bullshit does not make the CPU bottleneck problem go away.

lmao don't call a gear check a gear check or they go full caps lock

>>534102429
>actual gold
heresy! the gold color is only reserved for SSS level Super Earth Citizens

>>534101817
Long-range combat in this game is NOT console friendly. Keep dreaming, pal.

>>534102747
>CPU bottleneck problem
No such thing in my experience.

>>534102105
Have a single elite unit that shows up incredibly rarely but makes you feel like prey would spice things up. You are not helpless. You simply are not running away from the threat until it ceases to be a threat. Which is 98% of the enemies in this game aside from titans. Which will chase you for 3-6 minutes if you do not effectively break line of sight completely. Even stalkers will give up after alittle. What is wrong with 1 enemy that actually forces a confrontation and doesn't instant gib or take away control? Being unable to run does not mean unable to fight or stim for time.

Hell I even like the idea of being dragged it sounds fun but the problem is if it it dragging you that means you're in a rag dolled state. aka - loss of control/nothing you can do. That is even worse then a broken leg you can't instantly fix. With the DPS most of the bugs are doing being dragged through even 1-2 warriors would almost assuredly equal death before you could control your character again. The intelligent maiming route at least gives you a fighting chance.

>>534101817
just use the laser beam weapons. it's a literal laser pointer

>>534102581
Anon, we have pansies in this very thread arguing AP4 should delete everything in 2-3 shots because of weakpoints. People loathe their favorite support weapon isn't the end all, be all best one so they endlessly bitch.

>>534100327
crashed, this lobby is now 3/4

>>534101804
The mmg is fine vs squids

>>534102262
~5 mins to cancel the lobby

>>534103146
better

>>534103239
steam shenanigans saar

>Soloing a d10 bugs
>Make it to extract
>Blink back to dodge a titan vomit
>Hunter literally cheats its way to fly to me as it no clips through the air
>Blinked into forklift
>This does 80% of my damage
>Hunter is fine somehow
>Die
>Respawn
>Its spamming the attack at a wall
>Try to punch it from behind
>Its still hitting me somehow with its 360 radius attack
FORCED. FUCKING. DEATH.
This game literally fucking cheats to kill you.

>>534103239
i'll join when steam isnt fucking up

>>534103034
Medium machine gun should be the be all end all best support weapon of all time.
Prove me wrong.

Gucci business

I love my Tenderizer

>>534103004
There's no need. Standard liberator offers as much effective range as your visual allows. You just gotta actually start using it like a rifle. But there's the problem. Things like going prone, using first-person view, firing your gun in any way other than full-blown spam are things a great deal of players categorically refuse to do. They'd still refuse even after getting farmed for 15 reinforcements each by squid snipers.

>he's just endlessly replying to himself

>>534103001
You're asking for things beyond the technical capabilities of swiggers.
We're talking about a game where every enemy is,
>advance into weapons range and attack until dead
Or for for the more advanced programming:
>circle strafe for a little bit and then advance
Youve got a completely different game in your head, which im sure is lovely, but im telling you right now it cant be done.

>>534102202
>>534102252

Dogs, manhacks, and a very mobile version of the devs. With jet or wheel boots that let them position around quickly and do that slow flanking strafe they do.

did the update fuck up reticle mods again?

>>534101817
Unironically would just be on certain mission types
>spontaneous bug eruptions* from underground
>sniped by invisible squids
>bots get even more bullshit littering the map

>>534103763
no the epoch is just -

>>534103385
>>534103510
Gone

>>534103850
>Goes on strike because AI bogeyman even though Arrowhead doesnt use AI
>Super Earth event starts
>Misses out on a ton of potential work and pay for flavor text
Nice strategy, retard

>>534102202
>>534099948
>>534102202
For me? It’s would be devistators with a tankette instead of a lower body armed with shields and auto cannons; and in the style of crab: still somehow having big robutts and booba

>>534104047
literal bot post

>>534103850
SAAAAR LOBBY DOKO REHOST SAAAR

did we just get tuesday'd?

>>534104202
Hows the strike working out for you?

>>534104047
Nigger? I'm just hosting a lobby over here xir...

>>534104157
uh...

>>534104219
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244262025523/76561198358676023
Douzo

>>534104317
What

>>534104157
fuck devastators with tankette legs, when do WE get a tankette call-in that gives us an ultra low profile tracked mini AT Emplacement or turret/APC autocannon that can move under its own power? I want to be Ducepilled now

>>534103512
>should be the be all end all best support weapon of all time
Retard, the only reason this game is co-op is because there is no "perfect" one-man army loadout. Either train yourself to eat drawbacks or play with other people using different loadouts.

>>534104317
shtupid
he's referring to the npc that was there prior to xer removal

>>534104202
And?

>>534104491
update your shit chud

>>534104617
labubu

>>534103512
>stalwart rebalance: RPM 450/900/1800
>MMG rebalance: Durable/damage 35/140
>HMG rebalance: RPM of 300/450/600; durable/damage of 40/200
You may not like it, but this is what peak democracy looks like

>>534104693
That's a (You) problem it looks like

>>534104219
God it must be weird being a chick. Like how do you have have nothing there? What the fuck do you even do with your spare hand when you're just sitting around? My balls are basically zen balls.

>>534104757
damn fucking swiggers....

>>534104047
>>534104313
>>534104667
pajeet ignoring any context of the discussion to sperg about AI. ignore

yeah you're mad

>>534094158
Kill him & the bitch

>>534104608
>a tankette
I want Quad-bikes.

>>534103665
oh shit we domposting?

>>534104491
3/4 and waiting btw

>>534105035
Just say you responded to the wrong person.

>Motorbike!
>cowboy hat helmet. Seriously how did they miss this one?
>mirrored polished chrome armor that buffs lasers & looks sexy, one comes in silver one comes in gold
>Corpo sponsor armor with Permacure & other corp stickers all over it
>laser SMG (Tanto)
>laser Shotgun (Trident)
>laser marksman rifle (Hammer)
>laser machinegun (Scimitar)

Occult Science Warbond
>Illuminate inspired cultist armor. A glowing third eye, tentacles themes, hooded helmet
>energy rifle that has a melee staff mode
>blue fireball sidearm
>blackhole grenades
>defensive mini monolith tower that scrambles nearby enemies

Big Bughunter Warbond
>Pith helmet
>Pantaloon armor
>Bile Acid Grenade
>Poison/Acid DoT Machete

Botbreaker
>Hulk Pyro Exosuit
>flaming chainsaw
>chicken strider rocket pack
>brutalistic blocky armor
>emplacement that has a bot turretgun

If these arent strong enough to be their own warbond maybe make it one alien per page of a three page warbond

Two new voices
>cute (Robotics Bay) analytical girl who talks to you when you drop support weapons & such

>cute (Engineering Bay) mechanic girl who talks to you when you drop vehicles & such

Laser autism
>Laser recon buggy
>laser exosuit
>Ice Lasers
>Lava Lasers
>lasre sabre
>laser mine
>laser disco grenade
>laser wire/gate
>lavagun strat
>laser barrage strat
>laser swipe strat that just cooks a wide area in one direction like the squid ships

>take a break during the summer
>come back
>lvl 150s throwing napalm barrage into nests
>lvl 150s having zero clue about turret placement
What's up with all the level 150 shitters? Yes.... crossplay is turned off.
Also, just unlocked the epoch, feels great to shoot it but what's the point of it?
>low ammo
>slow reload
>no environment damage
>won't one shot heavies?
>makes you go boom - makes it hard to aim
GL will take care of chaff and damage the environment. EAT is far better against heavies etc.

>>534104608
I think those are called exo-suits…
>t wants a series of backpack (re)deployable turret/emplacement kits consisting of tripods and the second mother of all helldivers

>>534105145
>they are the perfect height to do the jet stream attack

>>534105262
>adopting enemy aesthetics to our armor and vehicles
Disgusting. I'll have you sent to the re-education camps for that.

>>534105269
In his ill advised and hopeless quest for balance, Alexus gave us yet another weapon with no niche. It has no reason to exist. You pick it if you like plasma shit. For everyone else there's no reason to ever look at it again.

>>534100327
3/4 still, join

>>534105702
sorry I have to do my daily japanese :D

>>534105332
*cough*
“Silver Linings” Warbond
>”cutting edge tech” from the “errant front”
>it’s all just refurbished shit thrown and welded together by engineering before being dipped in chrome and cleared as g2g super helldive ready materiel; probably for some waylaid engineering division where “more daka no resupply” was the spirit of the day; trying to market their ramrod ramshackled creations

Las-69 “talons” primary energy weapon
>Laser counterpart to the SG-88; a Double barrel Las-talon shotgun; aka two las talons in a trench coat.
>200*2 damage, pen 3, 6*2 consecutive shots without overheating (7th will overheat)
>each trigger pull fires off both barrels
>100% quicker cooldown time than standard las talon (.5 seconds per shot*2).
>3(*2) reloads

LAS-64 “Clover” support weapon
>4 barreled support las weapon
>each trigger pull fires 4 simultaneous barrels
>identical performance to a quartet of nearly merging las-scythe beams being fired at once.
>is in fact four las-sickles welded together, converging at the top-rails
>ergonomics of an HMG; 179% of the dps of a max RPM stalwart; half the sustained fire vs a max RPM stalwart;
>burnout and reload animation has the four power packs “wilt” off onto the ground; the helldiver shucks off their cylinder; then slaps in and spins another into place

EXO-14 “Convictor” Exosuit
>comes with two quasar cannons and a toggle-able directional shield
>quasar cannons have improved uptime

M-187 “Dog House” Armored Car
>slow moving armored ice cream truck. seats six
>passengers can shoot through murder holes but only in first person
>driver can toggle the vehicles six AX-LAS-5 “rovers”; two stored on the hood, with four more strapped to the tailgates (which can be opened and fired out of in third person by either rearmost occupants).
>driver can toggle on FX-12 shield generator, moving will disable it
>doesn’t actually move all that fast

>>534095040
>ragdoll machine
>makes AT and thermites even more ubiquitous
It's a shit enemy.

i love sandstorms and fog and blizzards and fart clouds

>>534105817
NIGGA LEARN JAPANESE LATER PLAY THE DAMN GAME

>>534105702
sorry I'm drawing porn

>>534105702
sorry I'm too busy gooning to this picture you posted

>>534106359
DRAW PORN LATER, PLAY

>>534106526
you made me close my program and start the game only for the lobby to be full anyways

>Want to QP random planets now that there's no Mo
>No option to choose faction
>No option to filter out the short missions
>Anytime you QP into some shit you don't want to play you have to watch the cryo chamber animation and walk back to the map
Welp

>>534106750
its not tho

>>534105262
I think the tanto is the dagger.
A bug specialist Warbond would be sick. >“Vet Veterans”: it’s all helldivers who used to work on bug breeding farms
>exosuit loadout comes with an arc thrower and captive bolt gun, stuns target or attacker in melee
>that one idea where they drop in a domesticated charger with a howdah

>>534106819
then why is it telling me it failed

>>534105908
>Las-69 “talons” primary energy weapon
>Double barrel Las-talon shotgun; aka two las talons in a trench coat.
>each trigger pull fires off both barrels
Give it the option to swap between the double blast and a single fire mode with double the firing speed, and I'm fucking sold.

>EXO-14 “Convictor” Exosuit
>comes with two quasar cannons and a toggle-able directional shield
I want customizable mechs, so the idea that you could choose to have any combination of two Laser Cannons, Quasar Cannons, or Directional Shields, would be cool as hell.

>>534105702
>>534100327
full

>>534105702
kino...

>>534106935
NTA, but make a room, I'll join

>>534106785
the lobby/match browser and quickplay features are incredibly dogshit, but they look cool so who cares about functionality, right?

>>534102351
>It just doesn't make sense to me to put a gameplay loop on a large open map with diverse geography but then compress all the action into a small radius around players

It's mostly for balance and to keep action close where players can position around it, instead of just playing arma simulator where you snipe shit from a mile away. That's also why max throwing distance is 45

>>534107126
The mission scanner is pure liquid shit.

>>534102105
damn subject delta got some upgrades

>>534106957
I think the las talons firing speed is already pretty much uncapped so far as semi auto fire goes, but I do think a duplex/both barrels as firing options would give it a well rounded experience where laser double barrels are concerned.

>>534107203
Missed potential. Or at least they should have capped the range of every weapon at a certain amount so that we can't have infinite range while enemies don't get to go above 60ish and stationary units such as turrets can't aggro beyond 150 meters. Equalize that shit if long-range engagements are off the table anyway.

>>534104617
>Retard, the only reason this game is co-op is because there is no "perfect" one-man army loadout
60 day patch changed this though, only faction that bucks against one man army loadouts is squids as a result shitters (majority of HD2 playerbase) dont play them

>>534107619
squids are easy to solo too provided you got decent anti voteless kit

>>534107416
I moreso meant that you'd be able to fire out double the shots because you wouldn't be doubling up, and would therefor burn out slower. Kind of fucked that up desu.

>>534107374
>oh you want to see the lobbies? sure here you go
>here's 4(FOUR) lobbies, you're welcome
>don't like them? go fuck yourself, i'm busy for the next 45 seconds so don't ask me again

>>534107801
I think I got what you meant, I thought that’s where the duplex trigger came into play as a stand in for the “double” trigger of traditional shotguns, and if you just pressed and depressed the trigger every .5 seconds, you would be heat neutral, as it would naturally alternate the barrels: left/right, press/depress. It would also effectively “double” the semi auto fire rate, where as the “both barrels” option would fire both barrels on every button press, but not necessarily every depress, though that could be an option as well, as it is an electronically firing laser gun, not an actually mechanical shotgun trigger.
>so you’d be firing a mushy Xbox trigger with a potentially literal mushy Xbox trigger
A truly semi auto function would of course be fine too, since the gun would probably be programmed to alternate barrels even without proper double trigger, my autism was just focused on the “not firing from a single barrel over and over again” visual which even just theoretically irks me

>>534107619
>Muh Squiggers
>when the thread began with botniggers moaning their AP4 wasn't able melt War Striders for being able to aim for two seconds
I'm a botnigger myself and I fucking hate botniggers so much.

marathon is slop stop avatarposting newgen

>>534105130
any bike will do but I yearn for the return of the sidecar kettenkrad from the first

>>534105407
an exo suit is a single seat tall wide fuck with large double weapon arms mounted high relative to low obstacles and semi-high capacity on a longer recall time

a helltankette is a technically two seat but very fast position swapping low profile cockroach in a not too much greater footprint to a motorcycle or ATV with a single sentry class main weapon, maybe a coax MG and shorter recall time

in other words the difference in class is akin to that of a Commando versus an EAT, and the vehicular Recoilless in this case would be a large fully tracked tank or tank destroyer like the Bastion

Epoch one shotting harvesters and stingrays is great. This is easily gonna be my go to gun for a good while.

If you TK someone and dont immediately reinforce them, I will assume youre a sub-IQ and dont even understand what happened and kick you.

>>534105262
Your lack of a psychotic ballistic scientist ojousama voicing over orbital artillery strikes is... disturbing

>about to get a flood of Xbox newbs with shit reaction time, shit eyesight, and no ability to think critically
>one anon actually thinks the devs will make the game harder
Loving every laugh.

>>534109845
>Not turning off crossplay

>>534109926
>american reading comprehension

>>534109845
To be fair, they've been experimenting with tougher enemies a bunch.

>>534109926
>he thinks that is even what I'm talking about
The devs want to cater to consoleniggers, retard. They are the ones that make the game easier.

>xbox players are coming to helldivers 2!
Really? All 6 of them?

>>534110060
>experimenting
And they'll nerf those harder enemies the a week after the consoleniggers start to complain.

>>534110227
They haven't nerfed fleshmobs even though nobody likes them. Hell, they haven't even fixed them clipping through the floor.

>>534100327
here ye go B4
https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/4281

>>534109984
>>534110079
Why should I concern myself with a problem thats not mine?

Fellow Squiddivers, where we droppin?
Fellow squiddivers?
Hello?

>>534110215
And what a wonderful first time experience they will have...

>friend takes constituon, supply pack, and 3 bombardments to squids
>Just melees voteless, thermites fleshmobs and throws an orbital whenever a drop happens
>If I kill everything for him he's gone, if I don't he's stuck in the trash compactor
>Just sits there eating stims getting ragdolled over n over
>Maybe you should bring a stronger primary or try something else?
>No dude constitution is really good, I'm starting to get it.

I unno how I play around this, sides just use him as a distraction, and drive him around with the car.

>>534109845
>flood of Xbox newbs
do you have any idea how rare the Series X is

>>534110469
They nerfed the Leviathans. Squigs don't get nerfed often but with the influx of xboxfags they will, you'll see. I personally treat HD2 as a relaxing party game so idgaf.

>>534111278
tell him to get amendment?

>>534110843
Squid fatigue is nigh high I'm afraid. Try again when they're an interesting faction

>>534111602
He says it's too good lol

>>534110681
>But I did eat breakfast this morning?

>>534111587
>Fleshtroons will be gutted
>Dilated Overseer will be gutted
>Eggless will be gutted
Maybe the faction will be tolerable to play.

>>534111278
Troubled as your friend may be, he's right. Constitution is great, it's everything you want from a bolt action marksman rifle minus the scope. It's a matter of finding the right target for it and mastering the iron sights. If it ever gets scope options it'll be an economic sidegrade to Deadeye and quite popular among DMR players.

>>534110215
>>534111576
>xbox doesn't have at least 10,000 players worldwide
I know this might seem strange to you but out of the billions of people that play video games 10,000 is a small number.

>>534111790
Answer my question. Why should I concern myself with people I'll never play with?

>>534106836
I want an "smg" sized laser primary. The dagger is fine, but having a proper light primary would be nice

>>534109816
Okay, okay. I'll had her to the list next time. She isn't deaf though

>>534111587
I witness you, Marathanon
>Bungie is a Sony studio now
>possibility of a Marathon warbond

>>534111851
I just think it should one tap overseer heads.

>>534110681
If the devs cave to consolenigger demands the game for everyone, including you, will be "updated" to serve their whims. You can't filter out updates and still play the game, retard.

>>534111894
Xbox launch will be a blip on the radar unless Arrowhead are about to deliver some sort of content package or significant patch with brand new shit to look at alongside it.

>>534112092
>Bro, your sense of identity of play le hard game!
Not my problem.

>>534112103
>Xbox launch will be a blip on the radar
Hopefully because Arrowhead listening to xboxfags is bad for the rest of us.

>>534111630
>AH brings back the teleporting tanks
No thanks, id much rather take my chances with 4th faction

>>534105130
Quads are retarded. Only motorbike+sidecar

>>534112291
Illuminate are the 4th faction because they have no resemblance to the illuminate in the first game.

>>534112186
>devs decide to spawn half the amount of enemies per map now because the poor Series X can't handle anymore
>Difficulty
This is about hardware limitations.

YEEEES
FEAR THE FIRE OF THE SKY!
Who else runs this combo?

The highest difficulty should be designed such that even an expert player has to lock in and play their best game in order to win. If that's too stressful for you, you can just lower the setting. Which is what I would say if Arrowhead hadn't made the grave mistake of catering to the most moronic cretins on the internet i.e. reddit.

>>534105624
The whole point is that its a compromised warbond that's been gelded & sanctioned by the top brass as "fuck it we spent too much money on this boondoggle might as well release it" mentality

>>534112572
>poison the minds of Helldivers to save on budget
Super Earth High Command would never.

>>534112521
Not.
My.
Problem.
Youre acting like people dont just run from bug breaches already.

>>534112291
We need Boer Wars Dinorider Apemen

Would pic related be a good idea?

>>534112557
Go play darktide

>>534112557
>just lose 90% of your playerbase bro
Not profitable, next question

>>534112545
I generally don't like backpacks. Supply pack aside - which I don't need due to running an ammo efficient loadout; also plebs always picking HSO - no backpack stratagem seems worth the asking price of one entire slot. I'd rather bring one more red/green/support item and leave my back slot open to later snatch a backpack for free or team reload someone.

>>534112686
I honestly think people who stay & fight random patrols & breaches are mentally ill

>>534112686
>anon will spend over half the mission running around not even fighting
>is okay with that
You're already compromised. Fuck off.

>>534112884
Exactly.
So whats the issue here? How is the Xbox version my problem?

The DSS is so large

>>534112686
>run
pussy ass little bitch lol, imagine playing a horde shooter game and doesn't want to fight the horde

>>534113005
>the Xbox version
How are you this retarded?

>>534112931
>Bro, just keep fighting these back to back spore bug breaches and make zero progress while another bug instantly calls in a third!
No.

>>534112775
Pilestedt responded to it directly by tweet in the affirmative and then nothing happened as he was shuffled into an advisory role while probably heading the next Magicka

>>534112884
Fucking hell, same. I'd always end up being the objective wagie while three others fapped and held M1. No joke, I had to solo clear an entire blitz once while the rest of the squad sat on extraction because for some reason they believed it was an exterminate. Just had to step away from the computer at that moment. Low IQ became too acceptable.

>>534113131
What are we talking about? >>534112521
>>534113117
Sorry, but Im actually going to do the objective while you waste time. More for you. Whats the problem here?

HOLY FUCK WHAT

THE COMMANDO CAN TRACK PINGED ENEMIES JUST LIKE SEEKER GRENADES?

SINCE WHEN CAN IT DO THIS?

>>534113172
skill issue, start having fun instead of being an objective monkey
>monkey run to point A and point B
>monkey press buttons
>objective completed, monkey happy
This is you

>>534113413
shut up nerd

>>534113117
Helldivers 2 has more in common with tactical shooters than bona fide horde ones

>>534112775
AC-130-type gunship stratagem when?

>>534113425
>monkey run to breach
>monkey see number go up
>monkey happy
This is you.

>>534113425
if you don't wanna play objectives you should play a different game
"dakka" is cringe
killmog is turbocringe

>>534113549
nigga that's all your red stratagems lol

>>534113413
Since release, you plebbit nigger

>>534112092
>You can't filter out updates and still play the game, retard.
This is the ultimate reason why someone needs to get on making a modded client for the game.

>>534100327
ggz tards
https://files.catbox.moe/1hn9m1.mp4

>>534113615
>"how dare you play the game the way it meant to be played!!!!!"
bruh
>>534113649
If you're high IQ like me and not a turbo shitter, you would do both, lower the difficulty or go play another game

>>534113348
There is no "Xbox Version of Helldivers 2" what is happening is that the game is being fucked with in order to pander to idiots and low end consoles into a mess, which yes, will effect the game that (You) are playing regardless of whether or not you turn off crossplay, which (You) were retarded enough try to imply was the solution to the problem.
Retard.

>>534113841
>you would do both,
Why? What's my incentive for killing enemies I don't need to waste a single second on?

>>534113832
>I missed jazz lobby 2: electric boogaloo

>>534111587
To be fair Leviathans were complete dogshit before they were nerfed

>>534113348
There is no Xbox version of the game. If you update the game on PC after the Xbox release your game is the same game as Xbox players just with higher graphic fidelity. Do you not know this?

>>534113841
You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder because people keep leaving you behind.
Kills dont complete objectives outside of Extermination.
Go play killing floor if you want a horde shooter. Doing objectives is how the game is meant to be played.

>>534113413
?
How do you even do that.

>>534113841
>game the way it meant to be played
The game wouldn't have objectives if that was the case. It would just be Eradicate missions and nothing else.

>>534094217
Reminder; your anus is not a valid source

If you downgrade the visuals this shit can run just fine on low-spec hardware. Modders have proven this. >muh resource hog is cope from niggers that haven't upgraded their PCs in 15 years.

>Kill number means NOTHING
shitter cope

>>534113962
>>534114110
You dont know what "version" means.
>Arguing about irrelevant details
Sounds like the xbox players is a whole lot of personal issues on your part.
In other words.
Not.
My.
Problem.

Redpill me on Commando vs EAT for bugs

>>534114264
nah, that's just the correct opinion
attacking enemies you could have evaded = bad player
this has always been the truth so make no attempt at gaslighting the opposite

The only number that matters is friendly fire damage dealt. If it's less than 5k, don't talk to me.

>>534114306
>ESL
Great.

>>534114264
Show us a video where you beat an ICBM mission because you met the required amount of kills from a breach.
Lets see it.

>>534113832
>not my lobby
>we were better than yours

not my problem

>>534114385
Commando is your support weapon. Eats are a supplement / support weapon.

Commando + revolver can kill anything efficiently with one rocket

stop shitposting and go play the game
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244266809665/76561198073214698
lobby decides

>>534114476
You lost the argument.

>evading enemies in a game where your supposed to shoot the enemies
Nerftrannies really have no idea what this game is about, huh?

>>534114486
*laughs in Airburst rocket launcher, eagle cluster and rocket sentry*
It's not that hard little fella, maybe one day you will reach level 150

So let me get this straight: Today's patch notes are proof that AH was boldly lying directly to the players' faces when they said that the epoch had bugged weapon spread. The "bug" excuse makes sense from the perspective of
>oops, we accidentally fat-fingered in an extra zero onto that spread value.
So what did they do to fix it? Did they fix that fat-fingered zero by shifting the decimal place over one position? NO. They give it a completely unrelated new spread value that is STILL SHIT.

They FULLY INTENDED for the Epoch to have garbage tier accuracy. They just overdid it the first time around and dialed it back to "better but still dogshit".

>>534114790
Go play Killing Floor

>>534114530
?

>>534114934
Go play Dorktide, nerftranny.

>>534114623
2/4
join oh muh lawd

>>534113307
Damn that sound brutal
>>534113005
Idk. That being said im a PS5 dad diver

>>534114793
So wheres that video where it said you met the kill quota and the ICBM mission was completed?

>>534114623
2/4

>>534114790
>evading enemies in a game where you're supposed to do objectives
Yes. You are retarded, and I'm not your nerftranny bogeyman.

>you can have a flashlight with your grip.. but ONLY on the vertical one
I hate these faggot swedish developers so much

>>534114994
>Buzzword
You lost the argument. Why are you so upset if nobody wants to help you with a breach? Go play killing floor for other like minded players.

>>534114790
all you were ever supposed to was PTFO
every single instance of you wasting time aggroing enemies you could have walked around had every single one of your mates thinking "yep, we got a retard"

>>534114623
3/4
WE JUST NEED 1 MORE

>>534114790
Every patrol you walk past is a patrol that's not spawning behind you when you engage the next objective.

>>534114825
It really does feel like they wanted to test the water and just pre nerf it to see how people reacted.
It feels better tho and I'd say it'd be just a direct upgrade to a lotta shit. Thing can hit anything you point it at reliably.

>>534114623
3/4

>>534115173
>>534115246
>>534115267
>>534115316
I accept your concession, nerftroon.

>>534094380
>source: it was gifted to me by an extra dimensional entity in the form of a vision
Not that I doubt what you're saying is true, but they've never talked about that and never will. I see more games on D10 when I hit the scan button than any other of the real difficulties.

>And I'd discuss the holy books with the learned men
>Seven hours every day

>>534115363
Not my fault you don't know how to set em up before you knock them down.

>>534115363
git gud

>>534115189
I want laser vertical

>>534115363
>No argument
>Buzzwords
>Getting dog piled
You lost the argument.

>>534115189
Can't blame them. Swedish military is not funded well are still stuck on retro/cold war era gear so they probably don't know all the high speed operator attachments. The vertical grip with a flashlight is from fucking the early and mid 2000s. Only modern thing they have is the angled foregrip model.

>>534114623
we're doing squids btw

>>534114623
Still have a slot open, we're launching in 5 mins

>>534115319
There just is no use case where it's ever worth using it over alternatives. If it at least had some demo force then it would be acceptable as the "worse quasar that can at least kill spawners with low charge shots". As it currently stands, it's just a meme unworthy of a stratagem slot. It would be worth playing around with if you found it lying around on the ground for free in a city POI, but that's about it.

>>534115645
They only have to look like a real threat to the Second World so that's understandable.

>>534115645
Its so ironic that Sweden, a country whos last war was in 1814 is tying to tell people whats "realistic" in their milisim game.
Swedish arrogance knows no bounds

>>534114623
3/4 need (you)

>>534115715
Are you shitting me?
It's the best bug gun atm.
Great on squids, decent on bots.

>>534115469
>>534115534
>>534115562
>samefagging nerftranny
melty

>>534115832
EAT and gaysar both blow the epik out of the water.

>>534115832
>best bug gun
still the autocannon

>>534115925
And this is the part where you accuse me of editing.

>>534115715
>As it currently stands, it's just a meme unworthy of a stratagem slot.
*trash piling noises*

>>534115715
>There just is no use case where it's ever worth using it over alternatives.
it kills the shit you want it to kill and its something different to use instead of the same loadout every single mission forever
let's not even try to pretend the game is challenging enough to need to optimize your loadout and only take the very best in every slot

The Epoch needs 4 shots per mag. 3 shorts just isnt enough to do anything and most targets need 4. So you just end up reloading midway through and then ending up with 2 shots left. Its jank as all hell

>>534116202
Eats don't kill spewers and alphas efficiently, and can't blow up shrieker nests. Like you can two tap anything, one tap if you aim properly. If you don't think it's a fun bug gun you simply haven't used it or used it right.

>>534116679
>3 shorts just isnt enough to do anything and most targets need 4
What an embarrassing self report post

>>534116679
It should be 5 or 6 shots, and a reduction of spare mags

>>534116679
>most targets need 4.
Most need 2 or one
You're not charging it properly

>>534116903
>Shoot shrieker nest
>It requires 4 shots

>>534112873
You sound boring as fuck, mate.

>>534116648
>optimize
Killing enemies quick and efficiently is fun and relaxing. Making myself learn a new weapon only for the payoff to be lackluster is not fun.
>it's different!
It's just a railgun that hits like a Quasar with more splash damage. Not unique at all. It's lame just last the last unique Plasma weapon we got.

Can EATs no longer 1 tap armored chargers and titans or am I just incredibly shit? I've noticed the circle actual reticle is really wiggly now so maybe I am just flat ass missing? Been gone for a long time.

>this gun will sometimes randomly miss, even if you aim properly
what a dogshit mechanic

>>534116532
>Everything that isn't S tier is bad
Go back

>>534117050
You were probably too far and it detonated before hitting. Should take only 3, 2 leaves it with 100 HP.

>>534117092
>It's just a railgun that hits like a Quasar with more splash damage
380mm barrage is just a 120mm barrage that hits like an OPS

>>534117098
>Can EATs no longer 1 tap armored chargers and titans
How fuckin long have you been away? That's like 10 months ago. EATs are for charger weakpoints. Quasar or RR for quicker pen kills.

>>534116837
EAT is a hot swap stratagem so you'd pair it with something like autocannon which has more efficiency, utility, aoe, and demo force than any plasma weapon will ever get. With AC+EAT you get genuine anti-tank as well as genuine medium removal whereas Epoch is more like a half-assed amalgam of both and does neither well. I don't really understand who they designed this weapon for.

>>534117092
>It's like this but that but with more this, there's nothing unique about it

Are rockets just bullets with higher pen?

>>534117279
Yes, and it's shit. Just use the 120mm Barrage or Laser Instead. I still almost kick people when they make me wait for their 380 to do fuck all on objectives.

>>534117296
More like 4 but I was definitely 1 tapping chargers with better then average consistency.

Are they talking about the rep 80?

>>534117220
If it's worse than the weapons we already have, then yes, it's bad. No, your desire for more flavor picks does not constitute any weapon's right to exist. If you can't make it as good as or better than our existing arsenal you shouldn't make it at all.

>>534117460
Welcome to the weapon balance update. Less spread across all automatics but now sway lasts longer from moving around.

Oooh Anon... fufufufu...

>>534117092
>I am only having fun if the enemies are very weak and die super quickly.
>I want the game to be incredibly easy because I find it relaxing.
NPC moment

>>534116532
majority of these weapons arent shit, you're a shitter

>>534116837
1 EAT + 1 grenade pistol destroys a spore spewer/shrieker nest

>>534117558
Forgot image

>>534117630
>but now sway lasts longer from moving around.
source? the patch that adjusted sway only only changed the sway of secondaries and SMGs

>>534116381
He's an ESL that misread the initial post, and then doubled down on his retardation when he realized he fucked up. If I were you I'd stop giving him any more of your time.

>>534117630
Ok so EATs still do 2,000 AP6 and both charger heads and titans fall below that. I am missing and swaying. So got to actually pay attention to that shit now. Fair enough. I guess the Warrant finally has a use?

Also can the support flame thrower melt chargers still or is that completely gone? They keep bouncing back and forth on that.

Oooh Anon... fufufufu...

>>534117098
EATs 1 tap behemoth chargers/bile titans to the face.
>>534117296
>EATs are for charger weakpoints. Quasar or RR for quicker pen kills.
Quasar and EAT have the exact same damage, retard.

>>534117912
made for bugchad cock

>>534117559
>All new content has to be super strong meta tier or its garbage!
What is even the point in thinking like this? Why are strugglers like you demanding stronger and stronger gear when the enemies haven't posed a serious threat in over a year now? Just how much easier do you need this game to become before you feel satisfied?

>>534117443
>Drop near Fort
>Throw Walking and 380
>They flare
>Not sure which of the orbitals got more kills but neither they nor the fort survived

>>534117559
I think new weapons can be a little under par if it's only a little and they bring something interesting to the table, the 'only a little' clause of which the Epoch with mediocre or bad spread and illogical ammo economy is currently violating

also why is gucci sloppachimping and do I need to worry about him suddenly dumping CSAM again

>>534117731
none of them are the best at what they do or even anywhere close to it
none of them are economical compared to their alternatives
if an item has too much of a power gap with the top tiers it doesn't matter at all that it's still decent, it's being overshadowed and ignored all the same
it's not enough that you personally find mechs fun, they're objectively bad stratagems compared to what you could pick instead

>>534117907
the sway of weapons other than secondaries and SMGs (aka one-handed weapons) hasn't been changed, that guy is talking about of his ass with no evidence. you're just rusty from taking a break for a while, that's all.

>>534117912
Imagine a stalker thrusting its tongue in there with enough force to send a man flying

>>534117318
>Dude I can do what the epoch does by taking two strategem slots

I dunno man I love the epoch, to each their own I guess.

>>534117994
Bugs are made for helldiver cock

>>534117907
>can the support flame thrower melt chargers
If you manage to shoot its ass yeah you will melt it, but they turn stupidly fast now so good luck with that. Otherwise focusing on a leg is your best bet.

>>534117812
>70 years ago

>>534117987
RR has less sway.

>>534117791
You only got 2 tho n there's typically 3.
And if you're in range for GP you're too close.

Which hellpod do you guys get into?
[1]<[2]___[3]>[4]

>>534118093
>I need all gear to be S tier even though the game is already laughably easy.
It doesn't make any sense.

>>534118093
sounds like these alternatives are overpowered

>>534117996
Again, if they can't make enticing content, they shouldn't be making any content. New weapons that are actually worse than the existing ones diminish the game instead of expanding it. HD2 would become a far more solid game if they stopped making warbonds for a while and instead worked on making the already way too bloated arsenal less of a mess.

>>534117559
It's not worse by much.

You also can't expect everything to be perfectly balanced, and all your left with is power creep where every new weapon is better than the last

>>534118318
If you have 1 on your back and call in a pod you have 3 EATs

>>534117559
>If it's worse than the weapons we already have, then yes, it's bad.
>have a weapon that has has a 200 round mag, 8 mags spare, 1 second reload, perfect accuracy, and kills every single enemy in 2 shots no matter where you hit them
>release a new weapon that has a 200 round mag, 8 mags spare, 1 second reload, perfect accuracy, and kills everything in 3 shots no matter where you hit them
but I guess that second one is unusable dogshit trash garbage bad because it's objectively worse than the one we already had, right? what a retarded position

>>534118138
Twice the stratagem slot cost, roughly five times the performance. decent deal

>>534118321
I start on the left side and work my way right. Yes, I look like a retard if 1-3 are already taken, but that's just how it is.

>>534118321
2

>>534118093
Mechs are fun and fine. If you can't make use of a mech you're just bad. They're only mid on bots, but they get the job done on every other faction.

>>534118310
RR, EAT, and Quasar all have the same sway modifier of 1

>>534118538
>but I guess that second one is unusable dogshit trash garbage bad
Worse, it's pointless.

>>534118515
Eats only?
Based

>>534118494
>It's not worse by much.
yes it is
>You also can't expect everything to be perfectly balanced
I could do better
many anons here could

bros, I zapped this one charger with the arc thrower for several shots and he still kept moving around what's happening...

>>534118538
Let me guess, you often take the breaker spray and pray over the normal breaker?

>>534118769
>People can't have unique sidegrades because they just can't okay!

If you don't want new stuff just say that.

>>534109639
>hd1 had a kettenSEX
chat is this trve?

bobby bobo

>>534118942
Okay anon. Balance the epoch without making it overpowered compared to other options.

>>534119013
Breaker spray and pray is a direct upgrade though

>>534119020
I want new stuff, but it should only be added in if it adds new ways to play. Indeed "sidegrades" (lazy clones) such as s&p and a dozen liberators shouldn't exist. They added nothing but bloat where genuinely new weapons could have been.

>>534112863
NTA but can you... explain your logic
nobody's forcing anyone to play on ultra giga hard difficulties, but conversely anyone who wants a challenge has nowhere to go
like Darktide didn't drop dead when they introduced Havoc missions. Anyone who doesn't want to play Havocs can just *not play Havocs*

>>534119020
Oh it's cute, he mistakes downgrades with sidegrades

>>534118538
>I guess that second one is unusable dogshit trash garbage bad because it's objectively worse than the one we already had, right?
...Yes? Are you really telling me you'd willingly swap out your Liberator for a nearly identical Liberator where the only difference was that it did 30 damage a shot? That's beyond retarded.

>>534118851
Yeah, I always bring them as my only support weapon, though I'll sometimes scavenge a flamethrower or arc thrower or something

>>534119052
YES

https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Helldivers_1:MC-109_Hammer_Motorcycle

>>534119195
There's a lot of use cases for those guns but that's besides the point. The epoch is a completely different kind of AT from all the other rocket options with its own strengths and weaknesses. It functions perfectly fine and is stronger in a lot of cases than most rocket weapons.
I genuinely don't see how people can bitch about it

>>534119020
>takes 50% more bullets to kill
Your example is not a sidegrade, it's a direct downgrade

>>534119189
>Breaker spray and pray is a direct upgrade though
the fuck? no it isn't and never has been, it's a fucking birdshot gun and couldn't reliably kill shriekers at one point, 100% pointless

>>534119380
>completely different
read: pointless

>>534119219
I would in fact take the liberator over the tenderizer in a lot of cases yes. but I also like the tendy.
Some people just enjoy variety of guns that handle slightly differently. Go figure

>>534119396
>The gun was bad but now it's not after the buffs, how the fuck can it be good now when it was bad before?

Okay it's ESL hours this is retarded.

>>534119189
>S&P is a straight upgrade
>Deals half the damage of the normal breaker
>Only has 10 more shots in magazine, which isn't even double the mag size of the normal breaker
>You can even equip the drum mag on the breaker anyway to get the same amount of shots
>Only 1 more spare mag compared to the breaker
The fuck you're on about you clown? That's how we know you're not even playing the game holy shit

>>534119597
>goalpost moved
explain what would be lost if the liberator concussive got removed from its warbond and replaced by a 100 super credit tile

>>534105130
>>534112329
>quads
>motorbikes
Miss me with that shit. KETTENKRAD is the kino mode of transportation.

im in that rut between updates where i want dont want to play the game, someone give me a different game to try

>>534119772
You wouldn't have a long range stagger gun?
Are- are you retarded?
Like if you were talking about like the liberator and the killzone assault rifle maybe?
But yeah no that's a completely different gun for a different build niche.

>>534119597
>Swap out your Liberator for a nearly identical Liberator where the only difference was that it did 30 damage a shot
>Acting like the only difference between the Tenderizer and Liberator is damage, and are otherwise completely identical
You have to be baiting me. There is no way you're actually this retarded.

>>534119878
Mechwarrior 5

>>534119734
again, s&p is pointless, breaker is always the better pick
>muh ESL
still got more dignity than any muttmerimutt

I am going to bully AH into giving us a motorbike. I already got the dress uniforms, sabre the super earth cape. I just need to bully harder

>>534119990
Okay what's a weapon that just does less damage is identical in everyway to the other gun. Don't say spray and pray because it has better recoil, handling, reload speed, and ammo economy by a long shot..

>>534119978
>You wouldn't have a long range stagger gun?
yes I would, it's called the autocannon
try again, explain how exactly the gameplay is enriched by nigh duplicates of existing weapons

Pooper earth our dump XDXDXDXXXDDD

>>534120040
Breaker
You have ammo management tools, likely running a secondary with it.
Spray and pray
You don't and want to compliment your support weapon.

Spray and pray and breaker feel like completely different guns with how they blow through ammo.

>>534120194
I forgot how autocannon was a primary chud.

>>534119829
That's a motorbike whatever

>>534120128
Liberator vs liberator carbine

>>534120128
Oh I don't know, maybe the literal braindead retarded example you tried to make with >>534118538 ?
>LITERALLY the exact same gun but it does less damage
>Trying to posit this as a "unique" sidegrade instead of a literal downgrade with nothing else.
Jesus fuck how do you even know how to use a computer?

>>534120280
>more goalpost moving
autocannon is a long range stagger gun
one that is leagues better than any other stagger item let alone the fucking libconc
libconc adds nothing, I repeat NOTHING to the game, it's a waste, as are all the liberators with the sole exception of the original one

>>534120280
The pummeler is better than the LibCon. That said all weapons that focus on stopping enemies from moving instead of killing them are worthless to me.

>>534120450
Honestly I'd have to give you that.
The lib carbines ergo shits the bed though when you stack attachments to it, liberator has much better recoil and ergo off the bat.

>>534120530
Nta, but LibConc does add something unique to the game in the form of CC ammunition with a primary AR, and is different from the idea of a pure downgrade with nothing else too it. If you want to make a REAL argument, you should be arguing that a good number of these weapons could just be alternate ammo types instead of whole new firearms.

>>534120503
Not me.

>>534120530
If you can't recognize the niche of a slot having a utility that's unique to that slot, then there's no point continuing this tangent.

>>534120683
Another would be the Knight vs the StA-11.

>motorbike gets added
>firing weapons in the 2nd passenger seat will make driving the bike harder
>this instability increases with weapon size, type, and rps
deal?

>>534120908
EAT THE FUCKING SURSTROMMING

>>534120632
Wat
One bullet from lib conc insta staggers, pummeler takes half a mag to stun something.
Do you really think the pummeler is better? I might use it.

>>534120840
Pummeler vs Liberator Concussive
If one is better than the other then one of them is worthless and should not exist. Feel free to try and prove me wrong.

>>534120810
if all the extra liberators got deleted and their gimmicks wrapped into attachment for the OG lib I would be a lot happier
>>534120840
>utility that's unique to that slot
nowhere near enough to justify a whole nother weapon around it, suggesting otherwise is the cope of copes

>>534120974
NO, YOU WILL ADHERE TO MY RANDOM MOMENTS OF MILSIM

>>534120849
Honestly sta-11 sucks because it randomly kicks up and to the left and that shit drives me up a wall. It's like poor man's knight.

>>534121082
adhere to this rotten fish in your mouf

>>534120993
Stuns =/= stagger
Stagger is good for small shit in your face, stun is good for stuff that moves around too much and you don't have a one click headshotter.

>people arguing Breaker vs SnP
im inclined to go with SnP desu, Breaker has dogshit ammo the SnP brings nearly 15,000 more damage per full resupply over the standard breaker letting you actually use your shotgun like a shotgun instead of feeling like you need to be more selective with standard breakers dogshit ammo count

>>534120840
So you jumped into an ongoing argument without reading it, made your own argument that ignored the previous claims completely, and then got defensive when people rightfully assumed you were the same retard making the previous claims? That's retarded.
And just to make sure. You're saying that this >>534119597 post isn't you, and you aren't the guy trying to argue that
>Are you really telling me you'd willingly swap out your Liberator for a nearly identical Liberator where the only difference was that it did 30 damage a shot?
>You mean like the Tenderizer and Liberator???
THIS argument makes any sense?

>>534121145
>it's like a poor man's [insert weapon here]
This is the crux of the argument that had being going on for the last hour. Some weapons just feel like a shitty sidegrade.

>>534112329
I’m gonna be honest sidecars are a bit poofy too. Kettenkrad or riding bitch on a scooter while thieving in Brazil are the only passes you get for riding tandem as men
>>534119829
I kneel…
>>534117559
It’s objectively deals more damage per call down and more damage per minute than many of the other stratagems
Still never gonna use it

While we're on the subject of long range stagger gun primaries and autocannons, single shot sliding wedge snubbed barrel 20mm AT rifle primary when?

>>534121381
make it onehanded so I can be a fleshy shield devastator

>>534121291
Okay, Pummeler vs Pacifier. Why have two automatic stun guns?

>>534121321
no that one is me

>>534121336
I'd say this only applies to those weapons, and I would agree they need a buff for sure. I don't expect them to make them completely unique, they're basically just reskins for onions factor.

>>534121317
Breaker has the exact same ammo economy with a drum mag that the SnP has
Granted you need to grind it to lvl 24 first, but it's strictly superior to the SnP once you're there

>>534120530
You're one of those anti bloat faggots that wants the number of guns in the game reduced to 3. You are cancer.

l-lob-l-l-lobb-l-lobby...

>>534121532
>Breaker has the exact same ammo economy with a drum mag that the SnP has
no it doesnt lmao, SnP has more magazines no matter what

>>534121480
Pummeler is one handed, pacifier has medium pen. Pacifier is better against med. armor targets like on bugs and spewers, while the pummeler exists for hipsters on reddit to defend it (likely due to the stacking stun lobby glitch)

>>534121532
You actually get half the mags.
Like this was very likely an oversight for the SnP, but yeah you get half the drum mags with the breaker.

>>534121532
contrary to your statement the breaker has 4 mags of 26 rounds vs. the SnPs 8 mags of 26 rounds. It literally has half the ammo economy.

>>534121605
Number of primaries could be halved and nothing of value would be lost.

>>534121480
One is one handed and the other isn't.

>>534121605
NTA but I wanted the Epoch to be the Quasar but Plasma. Instead it feels like a shitty railgun that traded in accuracy for splash damage.

>>534121053
>and their gimmicks wrapped into attachment for the OG lib I would be a lot happier

whys that?

>>534121797
That's exactly what I love about it personally.
It's a nice sidegrade to the railgun when I wanna bring splash.

>>534121507
Then you are a retard who should have just started his own discussion instead of failing to read or understand any sort of barebones metaphor. Congratulations on wasting everyone's time.

>>534121757
ammo economy hasn't mattered for anything since October, ammo is everywhere now in addition to enemies dying way too fast, and there are S+ tier ammo crutches, two of which you will benefit from constantly without ever picking them yourself

>>534121916
>enemies dying way too fast
nothing dies way too fast to the SnP, brood commanders will eat an eniter drum mag

>>534121708
>pummeler exists for hipsters on reddit to defend it (likely due to the stacking stun lobby glitch)
So...the pummeler shouldn't exist then? The gimmick of "one-handed" means nothing when the redeemer could just be a stun gun AND a sidearm therefore making it worth using.

>>534121907
I mean anon isn't really wrong to say if a gun has like 1 less bullet to kill it's not terrible when it has an insane amount of ammo.
Realistically you won't notice the difference even though theres mathematically a 50% difference in the long run.

>>534121887
>whys that?
Because it could mark the start of an era in which all new weapons get to be genuinely new. It would mean less new weapons overall but quality always beats out quantity.

>Plasma isn't even weightless irl

>>534122063
Yeah pummeler shouldn't exist in its current state, if they're going to make stun weapons last only a litteral second it offers zero utility.

But maybe I'm wrong and someone can tell me why it's worth taking.

>>534122121
I think theres something to gain from having different types of guns with sligthly different stats. Lotta milsim fags like the idea, and I think they did a good job hitting every gun niche (save constitution)

>>534122306
On the contrary, your mom is quite weighful irl

>>534121452
do NOT Obrez the Type 99 20mm cannon

>>534122306
You'd think the explosive force of a small sun would be enough to destroy a chainlink fence, but Alexus says no.
Gotta put a ton of random downsides on a mediocre support weapon lest it might actually become good

>>534119013
do you think the S&P is strictly bad because it's not better than the regular breaker? like actually bad? not just redundant, not pointless, but flat-out bad.

>>534119219
>the only difference was that it did 30 damage a shot?
that's not a valid comparison because 30 damage is significantly, genuinely terrible with the HP values of the enemies you'd be shooting a liberator at. A30 damage liberator would be bad. A a more appropriate and reasonable comparison is the old 70 damage liberator compared to the current 80 damage liberator

>>534122120
And yet it's shit by default due to being worse than it's rival weapon without any worthwhile tradeoff, and no one in their right mind would take it for the same reason people don't fire a single Liberator shot before reloading to handicap themselves.
This isn't an argument between the Liberator and Libpen, or Liberator and Tenderizer which have clear differences that make them different enough to not be straight upgrades and downgrades, this was an argument about how a factually horrible weapon without any reason to be chosen outside of maybe aesthetics, doesn't deserve to exist.

is railgun good against ze bugs

>>534122361
>I think theres something to gain from having different types of guns with sligthly different stats.
feel free to think that
I firmly believe the polar opposite
>milsim fags
milsims have a justification for having a lot of goofy guns and engineering nightmares because those are usually based on real-life abominations
but as previously established HD2 is not a milsim

>>534122054
>points SnP at Alpha commander in game
>its dead in 7 shots to the skull
>19 rounds remain
why would anon lie to me

>>534122578
>A a more appropriate and reasonable comparison is the old 70 damage liberator compared to the current 80 damage liberator
And that doesn't fucking matter because anyone in their right mind would still choose the 80 damage version because NO ONE other than an absolute retard would throw away 10 damage for NOTHING in return. The comparison literally doesn't change at all.

Remember when the Libpen did 45 damage? Back then this game had sovl

>>534122595
>this was an argument about how a factually horrible weapon without any reason to be chosen outside of maybe aesthetics, doesn't deserve to exist.

I think the idea is if you boil a weapon down and say something is functionally nearly identical but a little worse than X it's not a problem.
The argument started with basically saying "If even slightly worse than another option then it's never worth taking"

And I'd say playstyle, aesthetic, sound, and design are all good enough reasons to want weapons that are ever so slight "downgrades"

>>534122595
>And yet it's shit by default
> a gun with 1800 total rounds and can kill literally every enemy in 3 shots is shit
>actually unironically, genuinely, seriously, for real, "shit"
the only response here is "okay retard"

>>534122775
>take stalwart because it was the only way to kill chaff with your gun
>take eruptor or crossbow because primary slots were fucking worthless outside of closing holes

Man.

>>534121373
>>534119829

>>534122306
Depends on how you look at it. Lightning is plasma, but it's also the ionizing air that's causing air pressure. That's not exactly "weight" but the air has mass that is undergoing thermal expansion, gravity is acting on it, and so is the rotation of the Earth. A person better educated in physics than me would give you a long string of words for what it has instead of weight.

>>534122807
>I'd say playstyle, aesthetic, sound, and design are all good enough reasons
low standards must be one hell of a drug
you can mod any gun's look and sound to anything you desire
>ever so slight "downgrades"
I want things to have a point
it's not healthy or productive to cling to shit that doesn't serve a distinct purpose

>>534122774
but is the 70 damage liberator bad, anon?

>>534122910
In a retarded fictional universe where an exact copy of this retarded fictional weapon exists that has a 50% better ammo economy and time to kill? Yes, yes it is. Retard.

>>534122306
>>534123032
If plasma has no demo force because plasma is weightless, then why does the orbital laser have enough demo force to crush a detector tower?

I wonder why they buffed the liberator to 85, was it just because the variable?

>>534122761
People that say "x is bad" never used x (except if x is plaspun)

that pelican drift tho

>>534122980
fake oldfag, xbow had 0 demoforce back then
everyone laughed at it because it was the eruptors worthless retarded little brother

>>534123109
the original argument was that it's pointless, and the answer to that is still yes
you think it's no harm to bloat the arsenal with pointless guns, I disagree

>>534122980
meta build was incel breaker and nade pistol for the holes back then, truly "sovl"

>>534123151
bob won 30 million dollars in the lottery
jim won 60 million dollars in the lottery
is bob poor?

>>534121381
>>534121452
>>534122551
FIRST: HK-21, aka the mp5 in 308
THEN: my beloved Thompson center encore, sized up to 20mm
FINALLY: the meme 4* gauge shotgun, shooting equally memeish loads, potentially one handed if you enjoy breaking your wrists

>>534123240
I'm afraid of what PP will look like when they eventually buff it.

>>534123269
This was still a thing for a while after they gave crossbow demo force.

The Stalwart is a primary. The Railgun is a primary. Arrowheads' submission is inevitable.

>>534123343
bob won apples
jim won oranges
did they both win the same fruit?

>>534123343
Would you choose to win 30 million dollars if you had the option to win 60 million for the same amount of effort?
Are you retarded?

Back in my day, sonny...
Getting into the game was a gamble with a gorillion other niggers flocking to the game after some youtube guy posted about le creek or something
Good times...

what the fuck is going on

>>534123629
I've made the mistake of trying to argue with retards, and now I'm paying the price.

I remember when people argued that the Eruptor deserved to be nerfed to death because it could sometimes oneshot a charger if the stars aligned and the shrapnel all landed in its ass

>>534123396
The stalwart is a support weapon its max RPM is also destined to be 1800

>>534123828
The discord FOAMS at the mouth if you bring up eruptor, talon, or senator.

>>534119189
>Balance the epoch without making it overpowered compared to other options.
remove the spread, make it a precision weapon
reduce the prohibitive drag/falloff
incease demolition value to 30
add two spare canisters

essentially just remove the pointless limitations Alexus put on it

>>534123382
They did, it’s called the epoch. Everyone hates it.

>>534123032
Lightning can cause demolition damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI7XiiaWg6o

jeez there's some real autistic faggots playing DRG

>>534124137
hehe rog + stoon x1000 :DDD

>>534124025
>remove the spread, make it a precision weapon
>reduce the prohibitive drag/falloff
Better railgun

>incease demolition value to 30
not really needed, does that even allow it to break bug holes?

>add two spare canisters
I could see this, but it does put weight on wearing supply pack, taking warp pack, or taking shield pack. I think having to choose between the three is a nice balance to the gun.

>>534123865
you will get your Stalwart primary and 1800+ RPM Microgun intermediate caliber support gatling replacement and you will LIKE IT

>>534123513
>>534123548
>avoiding the question
let me break it down to the barest terms
the existence of a better option does not make a worse option, from an absolute position, strictly and inherently bad. it is only worse from a relative position of comparison. being given 30 million is worse than being given 60 million, yes, but being given 30 million is still really fucking good when you only earn, say, 60k a year.

If you take the game as it exists right now at this very moment, but insert these two theoretical weapons into it, you cannot seriously say the worse-by-comparison option is bad in the current games balance. it would be fucking outrageously overpowered and insanely good. the first, better-by-comparison option is just that much more outrageously overpowered and that much more insanely good. but that doesn't make the other one bad, just worse. do you understand now?

Just give the epoch mobile reload, swiggers and the nightmares shall stop

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244272625015/76561198039845988

D10
Bots or Bugs, democracy decides

>>534117089
One should be efficient in everything they do, even playing plebbit's favorite sci fi shooter.

now that the spread was fixstill bad lolis the epoch good now?

>>534124347
>Better railgun
But that makes sense, since the Railgun is a primary misplaced into support slotting?

>>534124625
Yeah. Solid A Tier gun, S tier on bugs.

>>534124347
railgun is one of the most underpicked stratagems. it deserves a bunch of upgrades as well. I'd give it a revolver drum and a scope.
I also generally refuse to respect weapons that need the supply pack just to be viable ammo economy wise.

>>534124606
Why? the reload is like 2 seconds if you cancel it
Cancel it when it pops out, and cancel it when it taps in. It's really easy to get used to.

>>534124916
>revolver drum
why are you being racist and remembering its 5 round magazine and stun bullets and original status as a primary weapon

>>534124625
it's better but still shit

>>534124916
I love railgun that's funny.
Favorite ayy gun, solid bot gun, and two shotting bile titans is extra fun.

Game is so fucking broken now lmao

Had squads of bugs spawning right on me, extract strategem was totally out of the ground, luckily I had the hover pack and hovered to the panel, and then we got stuck in the extract bird for like 3 minutes sitting clipping into the ground until the host quit, and I became the leader and then the extract cutscene went. Holy shit Swedistan

>>534124380
You are trying to make an argument based on relativity to the current state of the game, while also ignoring that these fictional weapons don't exist in the current state of the game. Not to mention the fact that the whole point of the question and conversation was on pointless weapons that are too useless in comparison with other weapons to have any reason to exist.
If all weapons in the game got giganerfed into borderline uselessness, the gun that does 20 damage would still make the identical gun that happens to do 10 damage, a shitty worthless downgrade, regardless if ALL the guns were relatively useless.
That's the whole fucking point of the argument, if you give people a shitty gun that is outclassed by another gun in every single way without anything to let it stand on its own as a sidegrade, then it objectively fucking sucks and no one will ever take it, REGARDLESS of how it compares to the other weapons outside of the question.
Yes 30 million is higher than 20 million, but if you can choose 60 million 100% of the time, than yes, 30 million might as well be garbage.

>>534125140
I also like my space slingshot but for each of us there are 99 divers that look past the railgun every mission and that's sad

I fucking hate people who unironically believe that D10 needs to be hard. Like why shouldn't I be able to complete the highest difficulty if I'm not good at the game?

>>534124826
It's a bug gun. Usable on squids but everything is so I don't really count it. It's really mediocre on bots.

>>534124372
B-but there’s already the lib carbine, it’s basically the primary stalwart! The stalwarts a support weapon… it needs living space and 1800 rpm…! The Gatling gun is ap3 anyway!!!
My dreams! Noooooooo~~~~

>>534125369
Its cope. They think the game will be fun if you use the shittiest strategems and if all the enemies are tanks so you cant kill them and have to dodge everything constantly. They dont even know what a harder difficulty should play like

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244273102778/
d10

>>534125598
>They dont even know what a harder difficulty should play like
I just want the constant movement of HD1

>>534125369
If victory is virtually guaranteed there's no point in playing. That simple. People got bored.

>>534124025
>Balance the epoch without making it overpowered compared to other options.

>remove the spread, make it a precision weapon
Removal, or at least extreme reduction of spread is a good idea. The unrealistic levels of ballistic drop are acceptable so long as it is consistent.
>reduce the prohibitive drag/falloff
I'm personally ok with it being constrained as a short range weapon. But it needs improvements in other metrics.
>increase demolition value to 30
yes. It is immersion breaking for an AT weapon to be stopped cold by a sheet metal box.
>add two spare canisters
No. Increase the magazine capacity and reduce the number of spare magazines. Increasing magazine capacity fixes the problem of an awkward 3-round mag for a weapon that generally needs 2 hits to kill. It also improves the weapon's ammo economy by improving its ability to self-sustain from POI ammo boxes by making each ammo box more impactful.

additionally:
>synchronize the "blue flash" visual cue so that it actually indicates when the weapon is overcharged.
It is dumb that you need to wait an extra half second, but not 3 quarters of a second, after the cue to shoot.
optional:
>increase the overcharge grace period before you explode
It's a bit tight right now, but fixing the visual cue might make the change unneeded.

If diving is sure to result in victory then you must DIVE. General Brasch said that

>>534125598
The game ironically is fun* if you play with no stratagems and only hellpod equipment, larping like something between red dawn and the Manson family on safari

>>534125598
Exactly. It just reeks of ableism to me.
>bad at aiming
>reaction time is pretty bad too
>takes me 10 seconds to put in a stratagem
>my psych meds make me sleepy so I usually forget how to clear patrols
so what, I'm just supposed to NOT be able to complete D10 in their minds? I bought the same game as you, I should be able to do D10 just like you.

>>534124625
No. Still needs demo force and larger but fewer magazines. The animation is still improperly synced with the overcharge state.

>>534125767
>Increasing magazine capacity fixes the problem of an awkward 3-round mag for a weapon that generally needs 2 hits to kill

I think the 3 round limit is a good thing because it encourages you to be creative with how you use the last shot. Comboing it to finish off something weakened, or using strafing run are all valid for a lot of enemies.

>>534125369
>>534125598
>>534125906
You should stick to complaining like a normal person, because this is pathetic.

>>534125717
>get good at something
>drop it
You should try writing a book. You'll never actually get good at it despite all the praise. There's your challenge. Hone a real art instead using video games to measure all challenge in your life.

>>534125598
Ok what should a harder difficulty for HD2 look like? And why shouldn't the optional max difficulty mode for HD2 not be hard?

>>534125598
>They dont even know what a harder difficulty should play like
launch d9
>>534125767
>I'm personally ok with it being constrained as a short range weapon.
Why? All the other AT options do just fine at any range including short. Making an exception here renders Epoch a far less enticing pick than it could be, even if all other issues end up fixed.

https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Helldivers_1:RX-1_Rail_Gun

>>534125598
> They think the game will be fun if you use the shittiest strategems and if all the enemies are tanks so you cant kill them and have to dodge everything constantly.
That sounds a lot more fun than the easy peezy garbage we got now. God, i miss old HD2 before normgroid faggots like you killed it.

>>534126152
Why are you so vehemently against the introduction of of a difficulty tier you're not obligated to play? You'd be losing nothing and gaining a lot of fellow players that would quit the game otherwise.

>Liberator gains the ability to take AP2 ammo, AP3 ammo, AP2 Stun ammo, AP3 Stun ammo, or Concussive ammo.
>The Defender, Diligence, and Peacemaker get the same treatment.
You like?

>>534126161
I want there to be an April fools prank where the devs make an optional difficulty that has every enemy a damage sponge with zero weakpoints for like 48 hours. Watch all the tryhards roll up into these threads saying how fun it was to be stomped on nonstop with no end in sight. Really shine a light on all the masochists masquerading.

>>534126349
>>534125906

>>534126123
Crying for seven months straight because the game wasn't handing over victories to you on the max difficulty is way more pathetic.

>>534126261
I wish the railgun still staggered enemies, that'd be stupid useful for war striders and behemoths.

>>534125993
Because if its other problems got fixed, then it can potentially fill a role of being a flexible anti-tank option that moonlights as anti-medium and anti-infrastructure with its low charge shots. But right now it's a pile of drawbacks with no notable advantages.

>the game that HD2 was
I want to play it
>the game that HD2 could be
I really want to play it
>the game HD2 has become
worthless & doomed

>>534126349
>You're not obligated to play
Feel free to drop the game entirely if you're not having fun. Why don't you?

>>534126545
Seems to be trending up thoughbiet as content and quality are concerned

>>534126550
Because I'm the type of player Arrowhead should be catering to, i.e. everything reddit isn't.

>>534126161
Im not the one saying it needs to be harder. D10 is fine the way it is, other than never being able to find super credits. If you make it “harder” by removing chaff and making everything medium or tanks then the essence of the game is changed. The only suggestions I see in here are nerfs or using shitty loadouts only. I like using strafing runs and 500kgs and orbitals…. Thats what makes it fucking helldivers. I guess I would say make D11 and above completely new maps where the entire map is a mega nest or hypernest and there’s a boss in the middle or something. The current map layouts would just be a an overcongestion of enemies if you added more, and would not be engaging.

>>534126485
See? Doesn't it feel nice to be able to talk without having to pretend to be one of the retards you hate?

>>534126405
It's optional so why would it matter either way?

>>534126550
Just say you want the game to be an easy power fantasy for sake of your ego. Just be honest. Enough of the excuses.

>>534126650
active player count is at pre-HoD levels
game isn't growing not even during a massive influx of content

>>534126347
NOOOOO DONT USE WEAPONS THAT KILL ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO USE THE BAD ONES LIKE ME IM A GOOD GAMER!! USE THE EPOCH AND THE CONSTITUTION U SUCK!!!

>>534126707
On the contrary you're the type of person that wants to beat the hardest difficulty then drop the game forever. Nothing else matters once you beat the highest difficulty. Either you go back to bitching and moaning the game isn't enough or you stop playing it. The devs don't want you, no one wants you. You're just looking for an excuse to "beat the game" so you can stop playing it.

>>534126720
There are so many ways to make the game harder but every suggestion gets written off as being "unfair" by terminal shitters. And saying D10 is fine the way it is, is an absolute joke.

>>534126863
>USE THE EPOCH
yes
>AND THE CONSTITUTION U SUCK!!!
no

>>534126910
>The devs don't want you,
Who cares what they think? They're unprofessional dregs.

so why can't I charge the arc gun while running?

>>534126863
You want HD2 to be a nice relaxing power fantasy. That's ok, I just wish you would admit it instead of making up weird excuses and arguments

>>534126863
weird bait but ok

>tranny arguing with itself again

>>534127118
What's with kids needing gaming to be a "chill" activity anyway? They're supposed to be less druggy than millennials not more.

>>534127240
The bufftroon is crashing out as usual. The idea of an actual hard mode that is entirely optional always sends him into a rabid frenzy. "Anti-sweats" are some really strange people.

>>534126858
>massive influx of content
>HankHillSmirk.png

>>534127048
>who cares?
Have fun never getting what you want. I'll keep enjoying the game.

>>534127240
His samefagging so obvious it's insane.

>>534127271
it's da ganj
I like a modest helping of Albanian lettuce myself on occasion but these kids binge and overdose like fuck

>>534103449
Erm, didn't you find that funny? Wasn't that moment clippable? Didn't you guffaw and heave there and fro at such unexpected skylarking?

>>534126926
Crazy how these responses never suggest how D10 can be better, its only bitching about other players or shooting down any suggestion at all that isnt taking away the powerful weapons.

>>534127118
It should be a power fantasy, that was the fucking marketing for the game. And im good at it, and nearly level 150, the way the game is designed, it cant get much “harder” other than putting in more enemies or doing a total map redesign. Either respond with an actual idea of how it can be better, without taking away anything, or shut the fuck up

I want an actually threatening difficulty that requires actual precision, teamwork, and tactics.
I also want a horde difficulty that lets me mow down an endless horde of fodder for cheap laughs.
In a perfect world we'd be able to have both.

>>534127505
>I'm having fun eating shit!
Ok, bufftroon.

bro was born like a pussyfart

>>534127589
Ok reply to all the samefag posts and let’s see if you’re accurate

>>534127738
>how D10 can be better
make the enemies less easy to kill

>>534127738
Ok faggot I'll list all the ways to make the game harder, again.
>More complex objectives
>More negative modifier
>Deadlier, smarter, faster, and tougher enemies
>Enemies can target you from farther away
>More enemies
>More environment hazards
>Less mission time
>Less lives
>Less ammo or stims
This will be the 3rd time I've listed all the obvious ways to make the game harder as it should be. Now I'll await your pathetic cope response where you write everything off I listed as not counting or as "artificial difficulty"

>>534127953
What does that mean? Make everything more of a bullet sponge? The health of the enemies feels good and relatively realistic

>>534127740
umm sweetie, making good performance a win condition is non-inclusive behavior
instead let's put all divers in a row, take them by the hands on both sides, and walk them to the extraction point together. that way all four arrive at the same moment and can be number one! we'll have the participation trophies ready.

list of people to blame for the game being too easy
>dadgamers
>consoleniggers
>Fucking Swedes
>zoomers
>reddittors
>discordfags
>streamers
>youtubers
>chinks
Did I miss anyone?

>>534128162
you're retarded
everything is getting spawnkilled, every mission is a cakewalk. yes obviously enemies need to be able to take more punishment, let's start with giving them enough health+armor so they can move a few inches before getting spawnkilled. we'll go from there.

>>534128162
Yes make the enemies bullet sponges but you can bypass their sponginess by making players aim for weak points or combined fire from your team. But that would probably be too much for your average redditor and /hdg/ player though.

>>534128278
yes, you forgot /hdg/

Claiming this thread for Warrior-chan!

>>534128156
>puzzles
Okay...sure.
>negative modifiers
Such as?
>deadlier, smarter, faster
Sounds goo-
>tougher
Damage sponges can fuck off
>long range enemies
Might be cool but the hard counter would be using a scope...so boring.
>more enemies
Console limitations
>environment hazards
We have plenty of those
>less lives
How about an HD1 mode where if everyone dies the mission automatically fails?
>less time, ammo, stims
Dumb suggestion, less resources are annoying not difficult.

>>534128156
>More complex objectives
Agreed. Even though pubbies dont have a clue what to do even though it says it on screen.
>More negative modifier
Like what? Just doing all the nerfs at once?
>Deadlier, smarter, faster, and tougher enemies
So make every bug a stalker?
>Enemies can target you from farther away
Yes we could use more sniper enemies
>More enemies
Game engine is probably bursting at seams, but i think bases should have a lot more defenders. Its crazy that squids have totally empty cog disruptors even on D10.
>More environment hazards
You guys already complain about “I CANT SEE SHIT”
>Less mission time
The time is nice for exploring POIs for super credits. I hate that higher difficulties is rewarded with less opportunity to look for super credits.
>Less lives
Ok I guess
>Less ammo or stims
Lame

>This will be the 3rd time I've listed all the obvious ways to make the game harder as it should be. Now I'll await your pathetic cope response where you write everything off I listed as not counting or as "artificial difficulty"

Having less ammo and stims is artificial difficulty. You want to be up to your armpits in enemies who are also bullet sponges but also have less health. You havent thought this through. I’d love to see your reaction to having 20 hunters that take a full reprinand mag each to kill jumping on you at once

>>534127605
us dealing with near-underage stoners whose bud has thc contents well above and beyond what they can handle makes a terrifying amount of sense

>>534128529
>implying /hdg/ even plays the game
Over half the thread sounds like they barely touch the game at this point since it's so casual.

>>534128410
Spawnkilled by what? Nothing is getting “spawn killed”

It’s like You guys use a 500kg on a bile titan or group of enemies then get mad that it killed it. Play a different game. This is helldivers where you have a personal orbital battleship

>>534128737
No, it's dadgamers with brains melted from dealing with work, children, and their screeching harpy wives.

>>534128725
>Having less ammo and stims is artificial difficulty. You want to be up to your armpits in enemies who are also bullet sponges but also have less health. You havent thought this through. I’d love to see your reaction to having 20 hunters that take a full reprinand mag each to kill jumping on you at once
I would either adapt and overcome or I would lower the difficulty. What I wouldn't do is throw a seven months long tantrum screaming at AH and other players who want the game to be challenging.

>>534128839
my friends list is comprised of /hdg/ fags exclusively, 39 total
zero are still active

>>534129059
>adapt and overcome
Just like you handle all your problems in life...oh wait.

>nerfbrowns still malding

>bufftroon still seething

>>534129243
it's been hours....

>>534129075
>thread posted lobbies fill up immediately
>zero /hdg/ fags playing the game
Something isn't adding up here.

>>534128971
Helldivers shouldn't be a power fantasy, it needs a semblance of a struggle
If bug breaches and bot drops don't get spawnkilled to completion every single time you are playing in an inept squad

>>534129389
We easily had three times as many lobbies a year ago. Check the archive.

>>534129075
>>534129389
People boot up the game when a lobby goes up and turn it off when there isn't one up because everyone knows pubs are a coinflip. It's not rocket science

>>534128629
Bugs are NOT cute

>>534129392
>bot drops
they get slammed into the dropships as they get deployed. there are no bot reinforcements

>>534129392
>Helldivers shouldn't be a power fantasy
>bug breaches and bot drops should be spawnkilled
If my team and I are competent and capable then the game is a power fantasy. If I play with random retards the game feels like a meat grinder. It's great.

>>534129392
>muh power fantasy
reddit

>>534129598
Oh yeah? Explain this!

>>534123206
I guess if I had to sit down and justify the mechanical decision I'd spin it this way: A man-portable plasma weapon, even a big one, is basically firing a shaped and compressed projectile of charged gas. When it hits a target its integrity is compromised and rapidly converts to thermal energy, blasting the enemy with super-heated air. It'd boil a living thing's organs, and fry the internal components of an automaton, but doesn't have enough physical force to collapse a hole bored through stone or a building made from solid metal. Meanwhile, an orbital laser is just absolutely shitting thermal energy everywhere and might melt a bug hole shut or cause a cascading failure in a bot factory's systems. That being said, I still think the Epoch should collapse a bug hole.
>>534124104
It does, but fabricating actual lightning with a man portable weapon system would be pretty crazy. Most lightning strikes are dropping a lot more energy on their point of impact than, say, an Arc Thrower.

>>534129748
I'm not saying that spawnkilling a drop or breach to completion is a good thing or even required, but it's what happens in any squad that halfway knows what they're doing. Even capable players shouldn't be able to cakewalk the highest difficulty.

>>534129881
wormhole backpack. every argument for realism is invalid

>>534129986
>>534129881
Honestly yea. Plasma weapon isn't real and nobody knows what the actual property of plasma weapon would be like. Plasma weapon not having demo force is pretty consistent in helldiver with other plasma weapons. That's about it

>>534129986
that's far from the strongest space magic we got, what about the AT launcher that can cause a full blown tank to explode catastrophically by hitting the tracks

>>534129075
I’ll shoot you a fren code when im home anon

>>534129986
>>534130215
Since the Epoch is a much larger and much more dangerous weapon than its small arm equivalents I really think it should destroy bugholes, assuming the shot is fully charged. It's not asking for a lot mechanically, since an Autocannon can outperform it at that job by a wide margin.

>>534129875
they're just stoopid

>>534130106
Honestly HD2 could've came out alongside Gears of War 3 and 2011 anons would've called it a casual console shooter from Sony that desperately was ported to PC to boost sales.

>>534130286
>work as a team
all nerftrannies are soloniggers though

>>534130562
Buffs were specifically geared towards lone wolf players being made happy.

>>534130215
>Plasma weapon not having demo force is pretty consistent in helldiver with other plasma weapons. That's about it
I think that you're looking at the wrong pattern. The other plasma weapons are all small arms. Most small arms lack notable demo force. However, when scaled up to stratagem level equipment, demolition force is gained pretty much across the board. The laser cannon and quasar cannon both have demo force capable of opening containers, and the later spawners, while the primary and sidearm laser weapons do not. Likewise the primary and sidearm plasma weapons lack notable demo force but the epoch most definitely should have demo force like its peers the quasar and laser cannon.

Also, you're wrong that we don't know the properties of the plasma weapon in universe. We know that the epoch is capable of defeating level 5 armor. However the goddamn fuck it works, it should be able to cut through sheet metal like a hot knife through butter.

As a final note, reminder that the token firecracker explosives in gas grenades and a literal firework are capable of destroying spawners.

>>534130396
Stoopid and cute!

he's malding again

>>534130562
If you say that he might snap and spam more CP, watch out

>>534130106
NO NO NO YOU NEED TO UNDERPOWER THEM! THIS IS REDDIT!

>>534130625
>buffs are for lone wolf players
Nerftrannies want to play a stealth solo game.

>>534130652
Not really. Standard medium pen small arm explosive such as crossbow and eruptor has demo. However, med pen small arm plasma like plasma punisher and purifier don't have demo even though they fire plasma explosive rounds.

>>534130796
Wrong.

>>534130926
yet there is an argument to be mad that plaspunisher and charged Purifier should have 20 demo force for their large plasma explosions, in which case so does the Epoch

>no lobby
meh I'm playing Dead space remake

>>534130796
Nah, I want the game to be challenging as a four player game. I play helldiver to play a co-op PvE, not solo game

>>534130562
No, that would be bufftroons.

>>534130687
That would also be the bufftroon.

>went from railgun on D10 bots to quasar thanks to war strider
CAN I HAVE ONE GOOD AT OPTION THAT'S NOT A FUCKING EXPLOSIVE PLEASE

>>534130106

I THINK THE EPOCH ROCKS

>>534130926
They should remove the explosive descriptor from everything that can't close bug holes. They are AoEs that are circular. Not actual explosions, as they have no explosive force to demolish things. You don't call flamethrowers "explosive".

>>534130953
>wrong
Nope, all nerftranny tactics for solving problems involve playing stealth and slowly picking off enemies surrounding objectives solo. Pure shit.

>"N-NO U"
why nerfbrowns like this?

>>534130562
Wrong. Why do you think redditors and /hdg/ cried so much about the "tankiness" of the enemies? Because they're solo trannies who never worked with their team to kill enemies together. But you already knew this didn't you, shitter?

>>534131089
>helldiver
The game is called Helldivers 2, ESLfag. If you wanted to play co-op you would also say "my friends and I" want the game to be challenging but I know you have no friends.

>>534131247
Nerftranny tactics involve using teamwork to solve problems. Consoletoddlers couldn't handle that, so they made everything able to be soloable with little effort.

>The slug shotgun is exactly the med pen rifle with 1/4 of the fire rate and worse accuracy
Huh?

>>534131184
railgun still kills them in 2 shots though? you don't even need to redline it

>>534130926
You're missing the point. The point isn't that primary/secondary weapons can't have demo force. It's that weapon types gain demo force when scaled up to stratagem level weapons.

>>534131247
>>534131348
Every accusation is a confession from you rotten bufftroonies. You demanded buffs and still demand buffs to this day because it helps you perform as an epic solo player.

>>534131386
>he needed help to kill a single devastator before the 60-day patch
Real self-report there, shitter.

>>534131617
>demand buffs
AP4fags and Plasmafags are not everyone, retard.

>>534131616
Half of stratagem weapons have to demo force?

>epoch can't close bug holes
>punisher plasma can destroy shrieker nests and spore spewers