Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss all things Sonic, I think.
/sthg/ #8516 - Chadkles Edition
==NEWS==
Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Jet Stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYMbDyCMHtU
>TailsTube #12 - Life Hackshttps://youtu.be/R3WmM7nVq_I
>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Animation Teaserhttps://youtu.be/qFDJ6zMyq-k
>Sonic Racing - Cross the Worlds - (Opening ver.) - Performed by James Bourne of Bustedhttps://youtu.be/OR9FGj1Bj70
>New card game Sonic Blitz released download here.https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-blitz-apk
>Sonic Rumble Global Launch Delayedhttps://sonicrumble.com/GLDelay
>Paramount Developing Sonic Movie Spin-Offshttps://comicbook.com/gaming/news/sonic-the-hedgehog-spin-off-movies-report-paramount/
>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will be released on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/
==Comics Release Dates==
Sonic the Hedgehog #81 - 03 September 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary Special - 27 August 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - 04 Mar 2026
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Previous Zone:
>>534160215
kill all shipfagging troons
>>534224854Nothing happened I just lost interest.
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Sonic Chronicles: Knuckles gets laid
>Sonic
Windfags
>Eggman
Robotnikfags
>Tails
Potentialfags
>Knuckles
Mountainfags
>Shadow
Mariafags
>Silver
Hopefags
>Amy
Passionfags
>Rouge
Goonerfags
>Cream
Cheesefags
>Blaze
Rushfags
Anybody else?
>>534225365>Hates shipping >Hates OCs>Ships OCsDouble negatives equals positive?
How does Knuckles returns to Angel Island when he leaves?
He can glide down easy but how does he get back up?
Does he get a lift from Sonic or Tails? Does he park Angel Island down on the sea and swins to shore?
>>534225732Frontiers and Superstars shows him getting a ride home from the group
Sonic pulls up Surge's dress in the middle of the party and fucks her in front of a live audience
>>534221713Mina did nothing wrong, he CITY WAS CONTROLLED BY A ROBOT DICTATOR. She spent her entire childhood being hunted down by Robotnik and was a hair's breadth away from being turned into a robot slave. Mobians being afraid of being controlled by an AI is justified .
When you hurt people, a "Sorry" isn't enough. You need to make restitution
Classic example of protagonist-centered morality: we're supposed to feel bad for Nicole, and not for thousands of her victims because Nicole gets more page-time
This is what Sonic Team and '06 fags thinks Sonic should be.
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>>534225906Mina had an innocent person exiled and effectively crippled the freedom fighters leading to Mecha Sally
>She's legendary for keeping on Sonic's heels non-stop
Did the mentioning of Sticks piss them off so badly that they're throwing Frontiers Amy out the window entirely?
>>534225874I guess the wind is just exhibitionism.
>>534225245Nope. It has way less platforming and stage gimmicks
>>534226160I think they were made aware they Ian is intentionally trying to erase Amy's crush because he misses a certain edgy girlboss
You said that you would never trip on your boo, but if that's true,
Why do you do the things you do?
You lied... You lied to me,
Now what's really going on out here?
I thought the love we had was strong but I've been holding on so long and now...
I'm gone!
>>534226123>innocent person exiledShe could have fought it, she decided to roll over like a bitch for Hamlin and Naugus, putting her own feelings above the city. A hero that defends others without being loved is more noble than the loved hero.
>crippled the freedom fightersThat chain of events was all forced shit
>Back-injury rotor to sideline him>De-reboticized Bunnie to sideline>Eggman acting OOC and wasting an entire metal Sonic to K.O Antoine
>>534226123blaming mecha sally on just mina is insane
>>534226310Sonic doesn't care if people see his dick.
>>534226160Ian is the only one pushing that bullshit.
>>534226345The platforming in Sky Sanctuary is so sparse that you can just skip most of it by boosting over it. When you have to engage with it it's so easy that there is no threat and it may as well be another hallway. Dragon Road's platforming is full of obstacles, enemies that actually attack you at a distance, and way more chances to fail
>>534226027Sonic Team decided the mainline games shouldn't be fun after Adventure.
Sonic Frontiers fans are sending CP to people who don't like Frontiers
>>534226352>he missed a certain edgy girlbossWhich one?
>>534225054 (OP)>SoniaMore popular with her brothers and Shadow who is a character that isn't in Underground
>RelicRiverdaled
>JuliePendered
>RougeShadow's Bestie
>SticksFlynned
>SaraSoniced and Foxed
>AriemTRAPPED AND BETRAYED IN THE REVERIE FOR 1000000000000 YEARS
>ShadePendered
>TripClassic Vaulted and Fang's used goods
>MovieshitDead
>KnucklesDying alone ending the Echidna species forever
>>534226571>Mina literally vaults Sally's best asset after Sonic>Everyone continues to get their teeth kicked in repeatedly >Faith in the freedom fighters is crushed >Sally and Sonic under equipped to fight Eggman leading to the first genesis wave >Eggman takes Sally off the table leaving the freedom fighters with Tails as the only strategist >Megaman arc >Super Genesis Wave Mina basically killed herself and now Honey gets to fuck Tails
>>534225054 (OP)It's funny that Sonia and Rouge are both spinning kicking girls who love jewelry and have big booba
>>534226831Mina had nothing to do with Eggman regaining his sanity, getting the legion and lien-da as extra muscle, and coming up with the SGW.
In fact that was almost all on Naugus, and the politicians for letting him get the crown back on a loophole instead of letting Sonic beat him up
>>534226831Well yeah i guess if you ignore the fact nicole was still active, and literally everything else contributing to the freedom fighters falling apart including naugus manipulating mina's music, then sure that makes sense
>>534226747Slashy gonna post that he hates Frontiers soon
When you really think about it, IDW is basically Mina's fault.
>>534182571Scratch
>A bipedal chicken Badnik. Though a part of the elite (or so it claims) Super Special Sonic Search and Smash Squad, it ran into his freedom-fighting friends and captured them instead.Cluck
>A flying chicken Badnik. It roosts as a common enemy within the Veg-O-Fortress. Rumor has it that Dr. Eggman prefers the loyal Cluck over the bumbling Scratch.Hip and Hop
>Two kangaroos who help Sonic within the Veg-O-Fortress. They are inseparable and do everything together, including see-saw their way through the Pinball Defense System.Scorpius
>A Super Badnik based on a scorpion, with the head of a certain evil genius. Even among Dr. Eggman's outlandish contraptions, this one takes the cake. Beware its giant tail!Some more hypothetical Spinball character profiles for Blitz.
>>534226632Dragon Road's platforming isn't good because it's slow and pace breaking.
>>534227468It's slow if you're bad at the game, which is how Sonic games have always been designed. It's slow because it's challenging, you get good to go fast
>>534226160>the original Team Rose from Heroes is finally playable again after 22 years >SEGA letting it be known that Amy used to be obsessive over Sonic Is this the closest we're getting to the legendary Heroes remake?
>>534225714Who is shipping OCs?
>>534227618Lol you can't even boost in those parts and jumping kills your speed with air drag
>>534226160Yeah, you're to the party, dude. The New Year's party, specifically. Right after the final Sonic-related BumbleKast, even. Basically Hesse making sure he got the last word on over Flynn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi9WYWiIpVc
>"I'm gonna go out and share my love with the world, Tails!">"But isn't that what you do already, Amy?">"Oh, I suppose so...anyway, here's 50-dozen pictures of my boy-who's-a-'friend', Sonic."EN Frontiers Amy can't be dead if she never really took off. She was aborted. Publicly. Humiliatingly.
>>534228184Regardless of how specific mechanics work, you can just go faster by playing better. Labyrinth Zone act 3 does everything it can to slow you down, but it can still be completed quickly if you play well
>>534228391And in the last Tailstube, Sonic is trying to flirt with a disinterested Amy. Frontiers Amy is still around.
Shade existed in the Chronicles canon. Which supposedly ends with her switching sides and making love to Knuckles.
Julie Su existed in the Archie canon, which ends in her getting trapped in the twilight cage and then having her birth erased from the timeline
>>534228519You can do it faster but you can't do it fast.
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>>534228783My dick existed in the "your mom" canon
>>534228641This is genuinely adorable
>>534226160>>534228391>>534228648>Sonic and Amy turning into a generic โwill they, wonโt theyโ dynamicThe franchise is truly dead.
>>534228785What does this have to do with Generations being so easy that you don't get to engage with the mechanics and whatever little platforming it has at all? Those things may as well not be there
>>534228648Poor voice direction. They're tapping into Boom Amy, who despite Spnic getting on her nerves sometimes (like "he's such a brat sometimes") still wants Sonic to fuck her.
>>534228998Making the attraction more openly mutual is more brand-friendly. You guys are overthinking it.
Could ChatGPT write a better Sonic game than Ian Flynn? Why or why not?
>>534228998It's been dead since 06. It's only around because it still prints money for SEGA
>>534229451No because it would use his writing as part of the model
>>534229128>Generations being so easy that you don't get to engage with the mechanics and whatever little platforming it has at all?We are talking Sonic Gens, not Shadow Gens.
>>534229614Yes, I haven't played Shadow Generations yet. Sucks to hear that game is like that too, but I guess it makes sense since it's based off of Sonic Generations in the first place
>>534229451You should ask ChatGPT for the answer
>>534229106>another shitty bot post
>>534229767god belle is such a shit design she literally looks like punching bag fodder for parodies
>>534228391EN Frontiers Knuckles got validated over JP Frontier Knuckles though.
So basically to fully enjoy this franchise you have to shift through contradicting EN and JP material.
Everything is Canon!
>>534229152I can totally see the movies looking to Boom fit inspiration on how to write Amy. Movienic getting a mommywife gf writes itself.
>>534225514Is this just a list of better alternatives to โ[character]fagsโ or is this a list of the worst kind of chatacterfags for each character?
Most of you should seriously watch Classic Doctor Who. The 4th Doctor is basically windnic.
>>534229976IDW should have a story where Belle's wooden skin gets burnt off and then she's rebuilt with her less shitty original scrapped design.
>>534225514>>534230212*characterfags
I fucking hate typing on mobile.
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>>534230224>Doctor PooNo thanks
>>534230212>>534230408It's a list of the most annoying kind of characterfags for each character. Windnicfags are easily Number 1
Is there any Britfag here?
If that's the case, why are you here?
>>534229712Sonic Gens doesn't have any obvious exploits that let's you do skips very easily. The air drag also stops you from flying over the level design.
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>>534230672I know, it's still a very easy game that doesn't make you engage with its mechanics or the platforming
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>>534225514>MetalOVAfags
>MechaSMBZfags
>HoneyTailsfags
>>534230224Is there ever an instance analogous to Sonic being the only one out of 8 billion people who knows the earth rotates? If not, then he's not as bad as Windnic.
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>>534231202>OVAfags And Heroesfags as well. It's ironic that two of Metal's "best depictions" end with him jobbing epically.
The OVA has him melting to death while Eggman doesn't give a shit and plans to rebuild him again and Heroes has Metal Overlord jobbing to Super Sonic and 2 cuck bubbles and Sonic says a meme line to him when he's questioning why he lost despite everything.
>>534230770You are looking at the game in a wrong way. Sonic games are known for having a low skill floor and high skill floor and this also applies to Sonic Gens for the most part.
Movie Sonic fanart is a roulette of cringe meme humor, wholesome Facebook mom posts or edgyslop.
>Turning Sonamy into Sonally 2.0 and calling that a win
God you people really don't care about the characters.
>>534231737I don't get it. Sonic 1, Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Unleashed are all much harder. Can you explain further?
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>>534231758It's not Sonally 2.0 until it has a moment like this and Sonic still simps for Amy anyways.
>>534231864the thumbnail makes it look like starline has fucked up british teeth
>>534231552Metal Overlord should come back as an actual threat next time and then maybe Iโll take him seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoE-TSLHGo0
You guys either have a shit taste or you just cant accept the fact that the new voice they gave to jet doesn't fit the character at all.
>>534231202>>534231552>>534232019https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Em_OeWXcqo
>>534232019>base Shadow victim >ever being an actual threat again We'd be lucky if they don't follow the movies and turn Metal Overlord into a mass produced Super Badnik
>>534231831I messed up. I meant to say "high skill ceiling" instead of "high skill floor". Sorry I'm retarded.
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>>534232210>>base shadow victimThe fact they did this is still so fucking funny.
>>534232078Nobody gives a fuck about Jet. He's a blowhard from a series of failed racing spinoffs and the only reason he has "fans" are people trying to downplay Shadow for other Sonic rivals
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>>534225514>>534230549So are Passionfags just Sonamyfags or are they a different thing?
>>534232379To be fair, it was Shadow using a Doom Power. As opposed to Perfect Chaos, where he jobbed to base Sonic using, uh, Boost...
>>534232379>I AM THE KING OF ALL CREATION >NOBODY CAN DEFEAT M- ACK
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>>534232515They're siblings you sick fuck
Also Jet's 14
>>534229451ChatGPT still writes horribly.
Sure you could probably get ChatGPT to write you out a premise that seems exciting (putting you out of a job, Slashy), but even the best of ChatGPT fails because it's still writing like a computer. It can't parse long narrative and will repeat shit, use bad prose and have the authors voice come out robotically.
Even (You) Slashy haven't got around to making an entire script in ChatGPT and you know why you haven't, not for any love of writing as it is apparent you lack this, but because it's shit.
So even if you think Ian is the scourge of writing on the comic, even if he truly was the worst writer, his writing would come through better because it sounds like a human made it, and not a robot spitting out shit in boring wooden prose
>>534232574>>534232656Yeah I stand by that this is fucking hilarious. Metal Jobber is never beating the fraud allegations.
>>534225514>Hopefags*Straightforwardfags
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>>534232776>his writing would come through better because it sounds like a human made it, and not a robot spitting out shit in boring wooden proseI wouldn't go that far. Ian's writing reads robotic as fuck like an algorithm.
>>534232721They're coworkers
>>534232574You could replace Doom Surf with Boost to let Shadow cross the water and get the same result.
All Shadow did to beat Metal Overlord's was to launch debris at him and then kick him so hard that he exploded.
>>534232776Oh Iโm not Slashy, I was just asking the question as a shitty attempt at ragebait. That and to see if anti-Ianfags would unironically say โYesโ.
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>>534232721If they're not related they can nest.
>>534232571Sonamyfags will accept anything if it gets Amy closer to Sonic. Passionfags are people in Emzberry's 2000s Amy cult who want her written as she was in Sonic X, Heroes, Battle, 06 etc.
>>534232776Grok has outpaced ChatGPT by a mile from my experience
sthg will tell you that vicky is built for timmy unironically
>>534232953Except it doesn't
I assure you I have consumed more media than you to know that there's much worse writing. Ian can sometimes be a bit too wordy or give exposition dumps, but he's far from the worst writer the world has ever produced and he's a lot better than ChatGPT.
>>534232967Doom Surf doesn't make you drown if you stop moving like Boost
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>Sonic beat Shadow, Perfect Chaos, Silver and Egg Dragoon
>Shadow beat Metal Overlord, Mephiles and Black Doom
Would Silver beat Iblis, Dark Gaia, Zavok and Infinite?
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>>534233190So they basically think that Amy should be written like sheโs a psychotic stalker mixed with a naรฏve lovesick schoolgirl and that is somehow endearing.
>>534233287You'd think giving Sonic a female rival who busts his chops on his speed would be an easy love interest to create for him but for some reason, they simply never did it.
>>534233208>Grok has outpaced ChatGPT by a mile Found the X Premium user
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>>534233856I don't user twitter it's just that Grok is the only ChatGPT alternative that can write erotic fiction reliably and with quality.
>>534233876Peak writing. Cinematic, if you will.
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>>534233452Iblis and Zavok are guaranteed
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>>534233452Generations is still before Forces so a weaker Silver wouldn't beat Infinite. At that point Silver is limited to Sonic 06 if they don't want to do anything with Rivals and Nega.
>>534233991Wait, Grok can write pornography? I thought that was against TOS for most LLMs.
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>>534234227Shadow Gens had Chaos Island despite the continuity break. They don't give a fuck about lore and can easily retcon everything at the end just like 06 did
>>534234381He's still not beating Infinite.
>>534233452>>534234227>>534234381Silver Generations will never happen
EVER
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>>534233698They prefer the term "silly energetic lovestruck girl" but yes.
Could Grok write a better Sonic porn story than AWF? Why or why not?
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>>534232249Well okay then
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>>534234525That's not the Silver attitude, you gotta HOPE
>>534233793That's gonna be Movamy.
>>534234525>No content to make a game out of >the fandom doesn't even want it
>>534234458He's beating Infinite without the Phantom Ruby
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>>534234525Metal Generations is happening as DLC for Movie 4
>>534234916I would vote Disagree only because I want an original Silver game and not more nostalgia pandering
>>534235038>play all of Sonic Generations again but with a Metal Sonic skin
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>>534234919Infinite without the Ruby isn't a fight
>>534233190>>534233190Heroes, yes.
X, NO.
Heroes!Amy = Black Knight!Sonic
The perfect portrayal of the character.
X!Amy is flanderization making her angry and aggressive and tsundere-esque for no good reason.
The fact that X and Heroes are constantly confused as the same thing bugs me to no end, they are NOT the same.
>>534234286It does for me, all you have to say is "All characters are 18+" and it will pretty much do whatever you ask.
>>534233269You clearly haven't since Ian's is generic as fuck. No personality or style. It has characters talk to same and sprinkle references. That's AI-tier. Even bad writing has its own distinctive style.
>>534233190>>534233698I don't know why you guys still insist on trying to smear passion fags as just wanting stalker amy back when they (or at least most ive seen including emz) have explained they want the silly and energetic bubbly aspects of Amy without her going full yandere stalker AKA her characterization in TMOSTH and the way she was portrayed in the recent IDW arc. Both of those got loads of praise from people, its that simple. Write 2000s Amy without the stalker aspect, you dont need to reinvent the entire character
>>534235513Blessed bedroom eyes
Have you thanked her for resurrecting the fanbase yet?
>>534236040I'll never forgive it for encouraging tranny Sonic art
>>534229106Amyfags will never beat the besties allegations.
Worst portrayal of each character according to reddit btw
Best moments of each Sonic character according to reddit
>>534236452Dude. It got 06'd.
>>534234458>Sonic couldn't land a single hit when he first met infinite>Silver landed several hits when he first met infinite>Sonic beats infinite when he fought him for a second timeIt easy to assume that Silver would smoke infinite if he saw him again.
>>534237028>Mom AmyI feel like this is worse
>>534236040This is literally what every "anti-wind" faggot sounds like to me. Every single one of you. Especially the ones that want Sonic to be "flawed" and "relatable". Fuck you.
>>534226352>Sally Acorn>edgyNigga, what?
>>534237127Sonic was fighting Infinite in a 1v5 when they first met and he was a totally new character with an unknown powerset.
Silver fought Infinite 1v1 after months of prep time and still got folded like a napkin
>>534237127Sonic had to deal with a 5 vs 1 situation. Silver had full focus on Infinite in his encounter
The story begins with who's gonna win
>>534228648>Sonic is trying to flirt with a disinterested Amy.After that whole picture frame debacle where Sonic demonstrated he legit cares more about Eggman than Amy? What schizo nonsense is this? Fuck you.
>>534236790This is surprisingly pretty fair for the most part.
>>534236991I can't tell what I'm looking at.
>>534237127It would be ic as well, Silver getting enraged seeing him, remembering what he did to the world and holding a grudge, goes overboard and almost kills him only to be stopped by whoever good guy.
>>534237732No seriously, the hell are you on about?
>>534237872The schizo writing is making people confused.
Writer A: Amy always chases Sonic and loves him a whole lot
Writer B: Amy is so over Sonic, she doesn't chase him anymore because she's a strong independent GIRLBOSS
Story 1: written by A -> Story 2: written by B -> Story 3: written by A -> etc
>>534237872This scene is art.Just look at the devastation of her face. The way the camera pans and twists. The way her shoulders moves as she breathes. The subtle quiver of her lip. This is her realizing that it was never worth it.
>>534237127This would take place during Generations so Silver would be weaker.
mario and peach got friendzoned because of the movie
Sonic and Amy are in that state where they only show interest in each other as long as the other one isn't recouperating the advances leadingto moments where Sonic is flirting with her or trying to ghet her attention like what he did in Prime
I swear if Sly Cooper were still around that kinda will they won't they shit would be going on there too, and now that Rachet finally got a pussy to fuck both him and Rivet are boring, thank goodness Jax's franchise is dead and his love interest was despised anyway so he doesn't have to suffer this shit
If everything is canon...
nothing will be.
this is silver in-character btw
now can we talk about other characters
>>534238174The animation on that show was so dogshit
>>534237769>>534237805Excuses excuses, Still called a fight with infinite.
>>534238316Rivet is lesbian nigha
>>534238331If it werent for fujos and faggots, this character wouldve been vaulted
>>534238174I know, right? You can see the INSTANT where she decides she's done with this asshole.
>Ugh, I wanted to fuck THAT? The hell is wrong with me?
>>534238176>During Generations...why? this is gonna get really confusing, but you're going to put Infinite there and we know that he loses the fight after so what is he going to do?
>>534231284Yes all the time
now THIS is a "dream cast".
>>534238316>Jax's franchise is dead and his love interest was despised anyway so he doesn't have to suffer this shitThe mechanic girl with the green hair or the red headed brown girl with the big tits?
>>534238497>actually thinks people like this shit
>>534238828Wheres this from
>>534238864They replaced her with Silver
The new agendas on X is that SA2 isn't as good as people say and IDW Blaze is worse than 06 Blaze.
It's like this fandom has gone too far with being contrarian.
>>534238864Rouge is not a "Sonic's _____" character.
Rouge would be a major player in Shadow's story, or Knuckles' story, preferably Amy's story, but not Sonic's story.
>>534235513>>534235661>>534238725Vanilla's isnt like the others, its downturned a different way
>>534238864Blaze took her spot again
>>534238720get rid of silver and blaze
>>534238947garabatoz
>>534235648Theres no "stalker" aspect, stalker is a shitty buzzword used to discredit Amy and how shes supposed to be. Its like if people started flinging "vagabond/hobo" at Sonic to hate that he "wasnt grounded and responsible" when we know what his character is supposed to be like
Hey Sparky! do you have any Sonic game ideas you like to share?
>>534238316Paramount could actually make the Sonamy ship happen since they've broken SEGA's mandates on Metal Sonic already with the Movie 3 post credits which implies SEGA has gotten looser with the restrictions on them.
>>534238174There are a lot of problems with Sonic prime, but I'm legit surprised how this shit was so overlooked because Sonic is extremely out of character here, honestly when the first blurbs os the show were out and the writers on it said it's a show highlighting Sonic's flaws it just occured to me Sonic in game doesn't really have flaws, any time they try to write him with some it comes off being weirdly out of character like in lost world he ends up pissing Tails off and making things worse, and then there's there IDW comic as a whole trying to throw flws at Sonic's feet blame him for everything and the cast whom we'vek known for almost 30 yeas suddenly despising him form Cream's very curt meeting in the metal virus, Espio blasting him, Shadow saying he deserves his fate as a zombot, Whisper glaring at him and Surge and Starline's characters steming form despising him, even Lanolin despises him and even now we got Vector yelling at him for the cause of things too.
Sega either fucked up making game sonic the cool guy with no responsibilities doing things because he wants to rather than has to or the western world is just to high strung on their morals and how much smarter and therefore better they are than everyone by haivng characters rant and scream at the protagonist for how wrong they are and how fucked up everything is, it's been rather prominent in western media for decades now. It's like they don't so much as want at a rightious hero but want write works where they get to critique the hero, the setting, the world itself forever on end because it feels so GOOD to talk shit about a setting's problems more than either ignoring them or fixing them, it's so good to be an arrogant know it all, so good to take every oppertunity to tell everyone who can hear you how smart you are for posting about why Batman doesn't kill the joker or why super heros in general are horrible or really just how goddamn bad EVERYTHING in this sad sick little
>>534239309Paramount never HAD to listen to mandates. They just do to be nice and keep good relations
>>534239194>Theres no "stalker" aspect, stalker is a shitty buzzword used to discredit Amy and how shes supposed to be. Its like if people started flinging "vagabond/hobo" at Sonic to hate that he "wasnt grounded and responsible" when we know what his character is supposed to be like
>>534239023Unironically this. Rouge is too much her own person and doesn't play cheerleader for Poochie.
>>534239406Amy believes in magic i dont see the problem
>>534239280wait for it
sonic game
but with vore mechanic
>>534239309>>534239383>it's okay when Hollywood does itI love how Sega gets pissy when Metal is a jobber, but bend over and asked to get fucked harder for Paramount.
>>534239545sonic dreams collection?
>>534238995That's kinda society in general, humans have given up on hope, or anything positive anymrmeo all we want is eternal conflict, contrarian arguments and mindless critiquing of anything and why it actually fucking sucks and you're a fucking idiot for believing it or something because positive feelings, enjoyment in something simple and on the nose isn't interesting enough, it isn't combative enough, DEEP enough, vague enough! conflict begets conflict, hatred is born from conflict, hatred and conflict will eternally feed off each other as long as there are sentienate minds capable of them, this never ending chaotic dance will lead us to oblivion and at last peace of mind for the mind will no longer exist nor will any other to begin the cycle anew. All will end, all will age and die or be destroyed never to be rebuilt for that is Humanity's willfully embraced limit.
>>534237769So Sonic can't beat Infinite since he didn't use the 1v5 technique again.
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>>534239669>Sega gets pissy when Metal is a jobber That's a misunderstanding, they hated when Metal is a MASS PRODUCED jobber like in the old comics, not when he's a jobber since they job him all the time.
>>534239504>believes in magicShe can literally predict the future. This is demonstrably an ability she possesses. That's like saying a dancer "believes" in kinetic energy. Fuck are you on about?
>>534238715>whySilver Generations would take place during Sonic Generations. Shad Gens ends with Shadow catching up with Sonic during regular Gens. Generations still takes place before Forces as well.
>>534238930If they didnโt, that shit wouldnโt have been drawn retard. unfortunately women make up a high percentage of this fanbase and a lot of them like uwuver
>>534238716Name one instance.
>>534239669Paramount SAVED Sonic as a franchise. They earned the right to do what they want with the movies since they're not canon anyways
>>534239383>Paramount never HAD to listen to mandates. They just do to be nice and keep good relationsParamount obeyed the 2 worlds mandate
>>534239383>Paramount never HAD to listen to mandatesthey kinda had to when it came to the redesign
>>534239669>I love how Sega gets pissy when Metal is a jobber,When and where did this ever happen? metal's never been taken seriously as a threat to Sonic not even in his debut game, his popularity is all because of at the time of his debut he was the only one who could match sonic blow for blow in speed and power in future appearences he always had to have a new gimmick just to keep up with the constantly growing in power sonic first he gained rocket boosts, then he gained that power from little planet, then he gained the power of copying from Chaos along with a kaiju transformation and that was it for him, he's never been a threat to sonic sense, even his sonic channel story is him racing sonic, nearly breaking himself trying to keep up with him and still losing to the point Sonic took pity on him
I honestly wonder what the point of him being in crossworlds is as a rival since the fucker doesn't talk anymore and even if he could what could he even say that counts as bants with the other racers?
>>534240091I donโt think they even knew that mandate existed. Theyโre the ones who proposed live action because they have a format of funny animal creature goes on a buddy cop road trip with some recognizable actor
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>>534240271>I donโt think they even knew that mandate existed. Theyโre the ones who proposed live action because they have a format of funny animal creature goes on a buddy cop road trip with some recognizable actorNope. Sega specifically demanded Sonic be a space alien: https://www.everand.com/podcast/594395948/16-Writing-the-Sonic-Movies-w-PAT-CASEY
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>>534239280All my Sonic ideas get integrated into my project.
Which in some way can be described as my personal reinvention or reboot or whatever of Sonic, as the template of sorts. And the long term plans for it is basically set up like a
>Classic Sonic story prologue thing>Sonic Adventure? story>Sonic Unleashed? story>Sonic Frontiers? story>Sonic Generations story epilogue thing? Except I've had to put my Shadow and Silver characters into the classic story, despite trying very hard to keep them out until the Adventure era story, and now I have to put all my 06 ideas into this classic story blended with SA2. Which isn't as complicated as it sounds, really... Except, one of my ideas is "Iblis" being sealed inside of the Knuckles character as his power source of sorts, and I had that idea since I was a kid, WAY before the movies were even a concept. ...But, I never actually explored the concept properly all these years, so I just took inspiration from the paramount Knuckles series anyway when trying to actually craft the story for the Knuckles character. But now I realize I have to expand it further because one little detail I never actually delved into, within my original story idea from when I was like 14, was how the "Mephiles releases Iblis to merge into Solaris" plot was gonna unfold exactly. Beyond the vague idea of the Knuckles character having to be consumed by rage as the trigger.
But I never thought about how that happens exactly or how that'd be paced in the story overall. So that's the next thing I've been thinking about.
>>534239545...
If I ever wanted to do anything like that, hypothetically speaking, I'd just add Kirby elements to a certain character. Or Yoshi elements to a different character. Or, like, whatever.
>>534240132The fact that the first design even came out should be enough to tell you sega has no say in this shit and the mandates do not matter. He only looks this way now not because sega demanded it, but because internet autists and general audiences have the shared common sense that sonic should actually look like sonic. And even then he still has blue arms
>>534240039And that's fucking embarrassing. Sonic deserves to die. Literally not a single good game, ever. Being saved by some shitty movies is pathetic. Let this shit die already.
>>534239970>Still thinks people would like gay shitOk fag.
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>>534239471And that's a good thing. Some characters are better suited elsewhere, and it expands the scope of the world beyond the main character.
... Sorry, is there seriously some retard shilling their shitty fanfic in this thread right now? And here I thought /sthg/ couldn't get anymore disgusting and worthless.
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>>534233452He would beat a fake Sonic to explain this
>>534240429>https://www.everand.com/podcast/594395948/16-Writing-the-Sonic-Movies-w-PAT-CASEY>they want to see angel island and little planet when they will go to other dimensionsis this good?
>>534239894Nigga that shit ain't happening, he has like 3 terrible stories at best, the only outcome is basically to explain why he's there by a comic.
>>534240429The two worlds thing is so fucking stupid. And for what? Literally what is gained from this concept? Nothing.
>>534240492paramount and sega had a meeting when they both agreed to change the previous design
sega had a say
>>534240451Is your project a fanfic?
>>534240816The funny thing is I'm 90% sure it wasn't a major plan at first but they just didn't want Iizuka's statement to look stupid so they bent the entire franchise to suit it
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>>534240960>breaking an entire franchise over your knee to prevent one o your execs from looking stupidSadly plausible. Also too late. Izuka is an idiot and we can all see that.
>>534240429WHY DID THEY DO THIS
>>534240862No, it's meant to be its own original project.
That's extremely heavily influenced by Sonic.
And, on top of that, extremely heavily influenced by EVERYTHING I like added onto that Sonic baseline.
Like, as an example, the only reason I decided to bring the Shadow-inspired character and Silver-inspired character into the "classic era" story is because I wanted to draw from Codename: Kids Next Door and Undertale for part of the story and stuff, but I can't do that without the Shadow character as Numbuh 1, and the Silver character as Sans. So I had to backtrack and rebuild it from the ground up to really help re-align all these different concepts and story elements I have, to make it fit.
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>>534238690Women don't do the fucking, Amy, they GET fucked. What are you, futa?
>>534240039I wonder. Ignoring Ugly Sonic, is it really Paramount's doing that saved Sonic or is this another case of people really enjoying Sonic in animated form? Could an animated film have done just as much good for the franchise if it was put in theaters?
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God. Let Evan write a game. No mandates.
>>534241178You keep calling them 'Shadow character' and 'Silver character' are they a completely different character? or just classic versions?
>>534241193You are drastically overestimated both Paramount and the general public. The movies are successful purely due to nostalgia bucks. Parents drag their kids to these things because they recognize the blue rat from their childhood.
>>534240504Why are you even here?
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>>534241469>No mandates.This in general, please.
The only way Sonic will ever be good is if it goes public domain.
>>534240816>what is gained from two worldsSonic X:Lost in Space and the Movie-verses Warp Rings
ST really likes the warp rings and they can't really uses those without having multiple worlds to go to
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sonic encountered the chaos emeralds when he was young and that's how he's super-fast in the movies btw
>>534238549Where the FUCK are Cosmo and Zooey?!
>>534241636Why are YOU here, shill? How about you try playing some real video games for once in your worthless life instead of spending second of it sucking mafia dick. Fuck you.
>>534240834I think the problem is that the original design was even in the running in the first place.
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>>534241814It's CRAZY how BOTH versions of Lost in Space are better tv series than Sonic X and NEITHER OF THEM HAVE 2WORLDSHSHIT
>>534241487They're original characters, but "Shadow" or "Silver" would be the first thing you think of when you see the designs I give them. I mean just look at my own self, I draw my character very heavily reminiscent of Tails. Even though I'd also say and insist that they do stand on their own and stuff, and aren't just copies of what they're inspired by, I know that anyone is gonna see the inspiration clear as day.
But also, a very important detail is that the characters are intended to be human, not Sonic OCs, in the actual project.
>>534241814>Sonic X:Lost in SpaceDidn't need to be two worlds.
>Movie-verses Warp RingsFuck the "cartoon character helps ad executive get laid" format.
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>>534238549>>534241902And Marine! Marine has more chemistry with Tails than Cream ever did!
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shadougebros?
I'm not going to take Sonic advice from a bunch of nerds who used to sit at home jerking off to Uncle Dick animations
>>534241935they were alerted when the first poster was released, the silhouette one, but they let this slide
no one could have expected how big the backlash is gonna be
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>>534241906I like talking about Sonic. It seems like you either hate doing so or enjoy being angry.
>>534241469silver's yume stocks will skyrocket
>>534242185Mandates won. Shadow has no friends and doesn't give a shit about Rouge. He's a soulless alien monster with no real emotions.
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>>534241902>andtailspedo tranny who somehow has a kid
>>534242398>Mandates won. Shadow has no friends and doesn't give a shit about Rouge. He's a soulless alien monster with no real emotions.Shadow and Rouge were literally never friends outside of Archie
>>534231758Amy is pure and only has eyes for him, that's the difference.
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>>534233190I like both nuance Amy and role-model modern Amy.
>>534225054 (OP)>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Jet Stream>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYMbDyCMHtUWuh
When did Jet and Wave become vtubers
>>534242624do you know how many people refuse to accept this reality
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>>534241469how many times are you going to post it
fuck off with this already
i dont want to see this fag
>>534242398Shadow and Rouge were never friends. Your fanfic headcanon was never real. Please pay attention when you play the games.
>>534240960Do we have the actual Japanese Iizuka used for that interview?
Honestly, for Japanese audiences going to different worlds doesn't seem like a big deal considering how popular isekai is; I wouldn't be surprised if he really did mean "a different world" and frankly it wouldn't be the first time Sonic did that Have you ever noticed how often Sonic falls into a story
>>534237028Irrefutable. Just let him dilate with his dead meme. Unironically it died with the crossover.
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>>534242831>how many times are you going to post it>fuck off with this already>i dont want to see this fag
>>534242038Doesn't Lost in Space feature multiple plants?
>Shadow's arm/leg stripes extending to down to his fingers and toes
Off-model
>Shadow having tufts of fur on his muzzle
Off-model
>Shadow drinking alcohol
OOC
>Shadow half-lidding literally constantly
OOC
>Shadow never calling people by their names
OOC
>Shadow being retarded
OOC
>Shadow forgetting Maria in any way
OOC
>Shadow initiating kisses/hugs/physical affection
OOC
>Shadow playing therapist for someone else
OOC
>Shadow having close friends after Maria died
OOC
>Shadow living permanently with Rouge
OOC
>Shadow being best friends/found family with Team Dark
OOC
>Shadow venting his personal insecurities to anyone besides Maria
OOC
>Shadow being actively sympathetic towards the Biolizard
OOC
>Shadow being G.U.N.'s full-time lapdog
OOC
>Shadow fucking a woman he doesn't love/isn't loyal to (AKA anybody who isn't Maria)
OOC
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>>534243010Is anyone actually reading these?
>>534238720Vault Silver and Blaze. Add Metal.
>>534237028But the cast forgot 06. This comic shows them clearly remembering the events and thus Amy still has the memory of Sonic calling her his bestie.
>>534243090>Sonic fans turn him into Goku the Hedgehog >Shadow fans turn him into Punisher the Hedgehog >Silver fans turn him into Steven Universe the Hedgehog
>>534243203Get a job krack
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>>534243204>>534243247Aww, I guess I'll stop then.
>>534243203is shadow advertising his merch ic or ooc
Sonic is based but his fans are cringe
>>534242078>cartoon character helps ad executive get laidFrom Mary Garnet to X to Blade of Courage, this is what Sonic was always meant to be
>>534243204Yes. They're based.
>>534241186Yes, now spread those Knothole bicycle legs and make way for the Amy's Piko Piko.
>>534242398The whole "ally" thing started with Sonic Battle. Shadow's SECOND appearance.
>>534242575>>534242893Nah, you're right. Shadow has always been a shit character. He's just some cunt with no friends, no family, no attachments, no house, no job, and no real reason to do anything. Black Doom was unironically 100% correct in that Shadow is not a real person.
>>534243526Correct. Glad you are accepting who Shadow really is.
>>534243391Wow, Sonic really has always been shit. It's been since day 0 with this garbage.
my least favorite people in this general are the people who start whining when you tell them that the bullshit from the comics was never in the videogames.
I don't even care if you like the comics, that's fine. But who are you to start crying that "Windnic" is boring when you remove all the western added crap?
>>534241902Wait, Ian really couldn't resist turning Zooey and Cosmo into lesbians for each other like with Sally and Nicole, or was this a joke?
>>534243740Windnic IS boring. Sorry I'm not afflicted with your specific brand of severe autism that makes you incapable of enjoying something unless it's some wanky metaphysical concept. Sane folks are drawn to actual characters who act like people.
>>534243526>He's just some cunt with no familyYou're wrong. Seething gary stu shitnicfag detected. You can't speak on the quality of a character you don't understand.
>>534244126You don't have to like it. I'm just tired of the people who act surprised that whenever we go back to the games the "cool" sonic they love so much doesn't exist.
>>534244167>Shadow>familyYOU'RE the one who doesn't understand the character. Shadow gives less than no shits about anyone. He has no time or need for useless things like family or friends.
>>534243203>Shadow not getting vaulted after SA2OOC
>>534243526>"my headcanon isn't real?">"HE'S SHIT!"What a baby
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I love himb. I want to protecc himb!
>>534244562He was willing to kill himself to fulfill Maria's wish. Maria is his family you dense retard. You never played SA2 and it shows.
>>534241902Ian really does love his yuri, doesn't he?
>>534243909I guess we now know the fate of Cosmo if Ian ever got permission to use her in the comic. He'd probably ship her with Belle or Lanolin or something, lol.
>>534244126Okay but why do archiefags do this shit
>Archie Sonic isn't THAT inaccurate>Get presented with the list of innacuracies>GAMENIC IS BORING! WINDNIC!Okay so then he is clearly inaccurate. He's so inaccurate that people who fell in love with the archie iteration see the original as a boring "thing"
>>534244683Am I crazy or do female fans of characters tend to babify their faves and proceed to act as their caretakers?
How do you guys feel about Metal's head in the Adventure era
>>534245038Thats only one half. The other half turns them gay
>>534244126I'd rather have Windnic's "boring" than Comic Sonic's SHIT, thank you very much.
>>534244990OOC Maria would never abuse Shadow and Shadow would never be upset with Maria.
Sonic being immune to the dark influence of a planetary beast > Sonic sad because his girlfriend had enough of his adventures
>>534245128I think there's an overlap between these two groups, turning them into gay babies.
>>534244613>>534244856>implyingFuck Maria. She was just some weak human who kept bothering him. Shadow is only upset because he lost.
>>534245290You know, it was kinda an interesting difference between Game Sonic and Archie Sonic in their Unleashed adventures. Game Sonic, while influenced by Dark Gaia, didn't change beyond appearance with his werewolf form. But Archie was not only transformed, but had his personality influenced by it and had to struggle for control. I doubt it was the intention, but I think stuff like that is interesting when you make your Sonics different. How would they be affected or react to a similar situation?
>>534245038I think it's revenge for men turning their favorite characters into fleshlights
>>534245650Sonic
Sonic: Windless AU
Ian "Sally is gay, Nicole is gay, Tangle is gay, Whisper is gay, Amy should be gay, and Cosmo would be gay if I could" Flynn.
>>534244942Accurate is not automatically good. It is accurate that the Japan was one o the Axis Powers and are guilty of some of the most heinous war crimes in history. But Japanese media that takes place in the 30s and 40s tend to downplay that because it's not something audiences really want to see.
Yes. Male fans NEVER mischaracterize a female character to fit stereotypical desires
>>534244443yes, silver fans. They draw him, they buy his comics, and buy his merch which in turn gives them more silver
>What's that? I am homosexual?
>If the end user wills it, I suppose...
>>534245932So you're saying women want babies?
>>534245650>interestingNo anon. Every iteration of this multimedia franchise MUST be exactly the same in every way. Anything less than total homogeneity is tantamount to blasphemy.
>>534245603Maria and her tragedy is what made Shadow so popular to where he's #2 in branding and collaborations. Shadow was good get enough to get his own game twice, carry an entire year of marketing and products, and produce the highest grossing Sonic movie. Shadow and Maria won, you lost. Shadow's love belongs with Maria and only Maria and this is canon. You don't understand their relationship because you're a delusional shatougefag.
why is the tsundere trope so popular that it affects surge
>>534245932How do you mischaracterize "Sonic but punk"?
>>534246169Abusive is hot. Straight up.
>>534246157>ArchieFAG thinks I'm gonna read all that shitShadow does not care about anyone or anything. That is canon. Period.
>>534246169western men have been conditioned to want violent resistance while eastern men have been conditioned to want nice doormats
>>534246157Why are you lying? The only good game was Shadow Generations. Also normies don't care about Maria.
>Learn headcanon/ooc interpretation of Shadow isn't a thing
>Spam posts about how soulless and edgy and boring he is
Why does this happen so often? I've seen a good dozen different people pull this over the years. I get some are too unintelligent to understand children's cartoon characters, but just because you don't get him doesn't mean he's a monster who feels nothing. I don't get why fans of ooc/fandom Shadow depictions don't just go like a different character that fits their autistic specifications better.
>>534246180Are you actually asking or hypothetically asking because fanon surge and canon surge are radically different
>>534246309You're being deliberately obstinate about Shadow's character whenever he doesn't match your fanmade interpretation.
>>534246365>Shadow Generations>goodSonic Team has literally NEVER made a good game. Ever.
Shadougefag has been losing his fucking mind recently
>>534246554There is no fan interpretation. Shadow isn't a person, and he doesn't care about anything. That is the end of the conversation, westcuck.
There is a difference what I want to read and play [competent and cool hedgehogs] from what I want to rape [submissive and cute hedgehogs]
>>534245095I think his central quill(?) is too low to see from the front so its harder to read his head as the intended triangle-shape his later revision convey
Though it's kind of hard to judge the quality of Adventure Metal since, I assume, his models are just edits of Sonic's
>>534246659I don't think he ever recovered from Movieverse's Team Dark.
>>534246052God, I just wanna tickle her giant scooby-doo feet.
>>534246659>recentlyHe's been shitting up /sthg/ and a few other boards intermittently for years, to the point that he's a known namefag elsewhere. Back when we had character milestones he'd derail and ruin them because Rouge lost.
>>534245970Yeah idc, but they like Silver being like steven universe?
>>534246659>>534246801>>534246871>making up fandom drama wank because they cannot comprehend that Shadow is a soulless monster, per Iizuka's true vision
>>534246180>"Sonic but punk">implying Sonic isn't already
>>534246353>western men have been conditioned to want violent resistanceThat sounds so stupid.
This is why I don't want anything to do with romance.
>>534247168Sorry, or you illiterate? I'm sick of all these westcucks insisting that Shadow is a person, when Iizuka has made it explicitly clear that he is not. Why can't you just respect the canon?
>>534247194Sonic isn't punk, Amerishart. He's The Wind.
>>534246180>She falls in love with Sonic because he saved her or something stupid>Her legitimate hatred for him is misconstrued as her burying a crush because she MUST love him >She starts blushing whenever he's around and calling him "Baka" (instead of stupid for some reason)>Her immense physical strength is reduced to that of a child so you can draw cute comics of her struggling to escape Sonic's grip when he playfights with her>Her seething rage and lust for his death is changed to her just pouting because he won't give her huggles >Imply that she kisses and has sex with Sonic but is still awkward about making eye contact with him because she's just an insecure little trophy wife
>>534246758YOU understand me.
I want to see epic shonen action fights with Sonic and Shadow, awesome feats and new abilities, super forms and fighting each other in super forms, I even want a new anime that shows off how badass and strong they are. And then when I'm done watching it, I imagine their tight cute submissive asses, their glazed over eyes looking up at me as I dominate and rape their tiny little bodies, and their shuddering as their perfect cocks spurt loads of thick sticky hedgehog boy cum.
Imagine being fan of Rouge LMAO
>Continues to be censored more and more
>Dogshit VA
>Banned from appearing in the movies
>Forbidden by SoJ to show any romantical interest in Shadow
>People will immediately think you're some weird furry gooner by saying she's your favorite character
>Nowadays she's just Tails but for Shadow
Not even Blaze got treated this badly.
>>534246749Now you're pretending to acquiesce by overcorrecting and saying that was your opposition's argument.
>>534247594It sucks but they'll never take my porn
>>534247352Why are you trying to falseflag as a jp purist? We all know they don't talk like this.
>digital foundry being retarded and judging Shinobi a sloppy project because the Switch version is bad
>that one dude on it justifying it by saying the version that will sell the most is the version that will be judged the most going forward
Fuck them theyโre going to attack Crossworlds too
>>534246626I said good, not perfect or excellent.
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>>534247352"Punk" as a concept just sounds like Sonic. It's literally just all about freedom and rebellion and individuality, which is the entire point of the Sonic's "wind" theme. Why do you think Sonic was originally a rock star?
Heck, Surge being punk in her own aesthetic is literally because she's an exaggeration of Sonic's own personality and aesthetic! The core of Sonic's image is a punk rocker. Like the "Spider-Punk" from Spider-Verse, his whole thing was freedom, anarchy and individuality. And he was the coolest guy ever inspiring change in the people around him, just like Sonic.
>>534247649Dude, what? It's really not that complicated.
>no personality>no friends>no family>no house>no job>no hobbies>no motivesSega says Shadow isn't a person, so be it.
>>534247594That's because Blaze gets absolutely nothing.
>>534247821>"Punk" as a concept just sounds like Sonic.No it doesn't. Sonic is The Wind. He is not punk. Period.
>>534247729>respecting canon is falseflagging
Shadougefag, you're losing your grip on reality
Maria
>pure hearted selfless innocent girl who inspired Shadow to do anything at all costs because she was so inspirationally pure
Rouge
>selfish whore who likes to steal only thinks for herself and would outright harm or kill innocent people for her selfish pointless desires
Do shatougefags really?
>>534248070>selfish whore who likes to steal only thinks for herself and would outright harm or kill innocent people for her selfish pointless desiresFunny enough, I think that's actually her Archie characterization before the reboot.
>>534247989>Sonic is The Wind. He is not punk.You don't know what the wind or "punk" even mean, and you certainly don't know who Sonic is, if you're really trying to insist on this.
"Punk" is all about freedom and rebellion. Sonic being "like the wind" means he's all about freedom and rebellion. Anti-authority and all that. "Punk" is the best descriptor of Sonic's aesthetic and vibe, and what it means for him to be like the wind.
At least, that's how I see it.
i spent my afternoon reading a fanfiction where shadow goes through black arms puberty, he repeatedly fucks his bf sonic, it gets worse until shadow starts eating parts of sonic who still believes shadow is a good person, then shadow tortures himself out of self-loathing, then when rouge checks on him he rapes kills and eats her and sonic gets rescued, but shadow the cannibalistic rape monster is still on the loose raping and eating people
>>534248247That anon is pissed off and falseflagging because Shadouge isn't canon
>>534248247>Americuck projecting his headcanon on SonicSonic is not "punk". Never has, never will. He's The Wind. If you don't like that fact, then you don't like Sonic.
>>534247821>Sonic is meant to be "punk", and every rival is meant to be an exaggeration of him in some way>What actually happens is Sonic gets sanded down into a generic nice guy hero, and the rival stands out more to such a degree that it appears they are outright stealing traits from the main character
>>534248371There's no headcanon here.
"Punk" = SIR SONIC, KNIGHT OF THE WIND.
The entire concept of what it means to be "Punk" IS TO BE LIKE THE WIND.
IS TO BE LIKE SONIC.
Shadow loves Maria
Maria loves Shadow
Shadow does not like Rouge
Rouge likes being a whore
This is canon.
>decide to start respecting the canon
>get accused of falseflagging
...
>>534248070Maria has bigger breasts than Rouge now. Rouge's model doesn't have breast bones used to animate them while Maria's does. Maria's body is officially better than Rouge's, so what does Rouge have over her? Maria is more intelligent than Rouge, Maria is kinder than Rouge, Maria is more honest than Rouge, Maria cares about Shadow more than Rouge, and Shadow loves Maria more than Rouge. Space-time, fantasies, and nightmares keep putting Maria in Shadow's sight, so it's kind of like a long-distance relationship, isn't it?
You can't force people to ship Shadow and Rouge
fuuuuuuuuuuck
Cant find the image and the post is 15 minutes old already and I cant reply
I lost
>>534248413Sonic is meant to be edgy, but "edgy" is not "safe", and they want something safe and squeaky clean. Which is not Sonic.
>>534248606>>decide to start respecting the canonAt no point were you ever doing that.
>>534247594Blaze lost EVERYTHING she had from Rush to Silver and then got killed off for angst points and to this day her character can't recover because shippers and 06fags will gaslight people into thinking that it was all good thing because she was meant to serve Silver at the end of the day.
>>534248539Punk and The Wind are two different things, dumbass. Punk implies that he's actively subverting authority and disturbing the peace for the sake of enacting political or societal change. Sonic sees himself as separate from and even above society, and thus gives not one fuck about that. He just cruises around lets the world be.
>>534248734I don't know what post are you talking about but
>the post is 15 minutes old already and I cant replyI never understood this retardation. If the thread is in the catalog nothing should stop you from replying.
>>534245650It just means that game sonic is a gary stu and western written sonic is as dysfunctional and incompetent as any protagonist written by westerners and their gotta show people how fucked up everything is mentality just look at how Sonic is in that new manga, still no worthy challenge for him in that thing
>>534248685Kill yourself pedo
>>534248226>Rouge puts the Sol Dimension at risk because GUN asked (she just wants the gems)>Shadow goes along with it knowing it's wrong because GUN asked (he's just a military dog)And people said Archiedow was good.
>but he tries to apologizeDoesn't matter if he wasn't going to stop it.
>but he stoppedAfter a bunch of trouble that shouldn't have happened. Game Shadow, with the same information, wouldn't have bothered to show up. Blaze is not a risk to his world and she's strong enough to solve her own problems.
>>534248779>At no point were you ever doing that.I'm doing it right now, and you keep accusing me of being a shipper.
>>534248685Maria is deader than Rouge too.
>>534248879Oh, you're one of those retards. You're just looking for any excuse to tear down shadria and you cling to false interpretations of the ship to invalidate it and make yourself feel better. You are desperate and pathetic.
>>534247594>>Nowadays she's just Tails but for Shadow She was always like this. It took Dream Team for her to appear without Shadow and even then Shadow got into the game a year later so that means that she's never made an appearance in a game without Shadow and vice versa (except Boom)
Reminder that humans aren't banned. The IDW writers all universally do not like them and avoid drawing them.
>>534248606You respect canon like a Arin plays Sonic.
>>534247570Someone's missing
Also they wouldnt wear them this way
>>534249046I was just lurking until you started talking about a kids body.
>>534249046YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON HERE WHO LIKES SHADRIA
>>534248840A meaningless distinction.
Punks rebel against the system oppressing them. For Sonic, the system he rebels against is Eggman, because otherwise he is already free without anyone controlling him. But when he IS in a state of being oppressed, he aggressively breaks out and tears it down. Like busting out of the GUN helicopter and escaping from the city, or the entire plot of Black Knight where he's literally and figuratively fighting against the very "rules" of that world.
What makes Black Knight such a strong Sonic character focused story is that it uses the Arthurian storybook world's themes of knighthood, serving a king, chivalry, and all of that to be a direct contrast to Sonic. Sonic being "the Knight of the Wind" is a direct subversion of what it even MEANS to be a knight. Knights serve their kings, but Sonic has no master. Sonic serves no one. Yet, he is still a knight. So, what does that make the Knights of the Round Table?
Sonic & The Black Knight is what happens when you throw a punk into the Arthurian world and have him learn how to be a knight. He's gonna rebel against the system and say "Nah. I'mma do my own thing".
Sonic is a punk. To be the wind is to be a punk, carving your own path and breaking free from everything trying to control and confine you.
Imagine being the ground that Sonic the Hedgehog sits on
>>534238720Just add Rouge and Iโll agree.
>>534249061Why were they okay with drawing them in Archie?
>>534249251I like Shadria.
>>534249430If Shadow and Knuckles are there, Rouge will show up anyway.
But in terms of "this is the cast built around Sonic himself", Rouge and Cream are characters that should never be on that list. Because that's not where they belong, they don't have that kind of link with Sonic.
Have a lovely night, /sthg/
It's crazy watching Michiyoshi's art style melt and degrade over time until he just draws Vanilla and Rouge as disgusting blobs with fat rolls
>>534249352>meaningless distinctionBitch, Sonic not punk cause he doesn't give a shit about the world or any of its sociopolitical issues. As the song says, "It doesn't matter who is wrong or who is right.". Fuck you.
>>534238720>>534238864>>534243269>>534249430Here me out:
Sonic Dream 2.
>Sonic and Amy as the speed duo >Tails and Cream as the flight duo>Knuckles and Rouge as the glide duo >Shadow and Metal as the chaos duo>Silver and Blaze as the psychic duo
Why does nu Sonic always have to do that thing where he says "Oh this is just a normal day for us" okay so then the stakes are low and this is not a relevant story. Thanks Sonic!
>>534249593You too, pink rat.
>>534249061>the writers avoid drawing themThe writers write, stupid.
Except for Evan who does both, and all all of the artists appear to draw humans and enjoy drawing humans
Stupid.
>>534249582>If Shadow and Knuckles are there, Rouge will show up anyway. When will you Rougefags learn? She can't coast off of Knuckles and Shadow anymore.
>>534249629>"It doesn't matter who is wrong or who is right."Sounds pretty punk to me.
>Sonic not punk cause he doesn't give a shit about the world or any of its sociopolitical issues.Because Sonic himself is already free. He isn't being oppressed. But when he sees oppression occurring, he's gonna do something about it. But his franchise boils "oppression" down to just Eggman's attempt at conquest. Sociopolitical issues are not a thing the series focuses on beyond that, but to say that Sonic isn't a punk because of that is just crazy.
The whole philosophy of being "Punk" is an attempt to be like Sonic, which means breaking free from everything preventing you from doing so. Sonic himself is portrayed as someone who has achieved that sense of liberation already and lives in a world where he's able to live freely. But his main arch nemesis is a world conquering robot obsessed Disney-wannabe dictator for a reason.
Sonic is a punk. He's the ultimate punk. He is the symbolic representation of the ideal itself.
Casey said in that podcast that he wants Marine to appear in the movies
>>534250009>Sally's sluttyness becomes Silver's problem
>>534249779Because Sonic is basically above gods, and nothing poses any threat to him. And that's a good thing!
>>534248810>angst pointsI hate how Iblis shit turned Blaze into a plot device for a high-concept fantasy romantic tragedy. I hate that there's this possibility she has this god inside her that will only be used for angsty bullshit. Literal fanfiction tier slop. Lorefags, Japanese people, and women have no fucking taste.
>Knuckles has Rouge and was going to have Shade if Penders didn't get in the way
>Amy has Cream and would have Sticks if Flynn didn't ruin everything
>Shadow has Omega
>Blaze has Marine
Is Tails seriously the only Sonic cast member without a dedicated best friend that's not Sonic?
>>534250110IF THE MAIN CONFLICT OF THE STORY IS NOT THREATENING TO OUR PROTAGONIST THEN IT IS NOT A GOOD STORY
>this drooling retard doesn't actually know what punk is, but insists that Sonic is punk because rock music
>>534249926That's where Rouge "belongs".
Rouge is a supporting character for Shadow or Knuckles, maybe Amy if that Team Rose thing happens (which it has on two occasions, so far).
Rouge is not a "Sonic's ____" character so she doesn't have a spot there beside him. She doesn't have any link with him, and she's basically "Girl Sonic 2" if anything. Rouge works in her own space where she can fly in the freedom and have questionable morals but hidden depths of loyalty and stuff. But that fits within Shadow and Knuckles' worlds. Not Sonic's.
>>534250292Tell us what punk is then
>>534250074>Marine over Blaze Bullshit. Post the source
>>534249593Smoking? So bunk! Amy, c'mon. You're better than that. Cigarettes aren't cool! Let's get you some patches, 'kay, girl?
>>534250074He doesn't know who Marine is and that's never going to happen
>>534250074Source? There is no way you are interpreting what they said in good faith, if they said anything at all.
>>534250248>Archiefag >wanting "stakes" and "meaningful conflict"Every time. This is why Sega doesn't listen to you people.
>>534250074i bet he just said "haha she's australian"
>>534250248Archie Sonic didn't have that either. Sonic always won.
>>534250804YOU DICK THAT'S JUST HIM EXPLAINING THAT SONIC IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ALIEN ACCORDING TO SHITGA
>>534249613Thatโs not the art style degrading, itโs his own personal tastes degrading
>>534250804That's not Pat Casey talking that's the interviewer
>>534250009She's got the Eclipse face
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>>534249251That's not me also no I'm not plus you're gay
>>534250804Pat Casey is the one with the american fratboy sounding voice. The person talking about Marine is a fan.
>>534236790>cream from shadowDid they want her to break a wall by herself? She and Cheese just got lost in a ghost castle, give me a break
>>534250246Yes.
Amy has Kid Amy. Knuckles has Nega Knuckles. But Tails, in the modern games, has no one.
There's Speedy in Tails Adventure being his Rival character. There's Cosmo in Sonic X being his Love Interest. Both are perfectly conceptualized in relation to him as well. A bird that excels in supersonic flight, a plant girl representing the planet while he flies to the heavens. But neither exist in the modern world. Heck, "Speedy" is just JET THE HAWK, who himself is used primarily as a SONIC Rival. And sure, there's Wave, but...
Tails is stuck as "Robin, Batman's Sidekick". The reason his Sonic Adventure arc has gone nowhere is because "the sidekick beating the main character's villain by himself" can't get him out of that sidekick role alone. What Tails needs to reach Nightwing status is to go from "Robin, Batman's Sidekick" to "Robin, Teen Titans Leader".
The Teen Titans are the reason WHY Robin became Nightwing in the first place. Otherwise, he would have remained Batman's sidekick forever. Just like Tim Drake does. Tim Drake is just "Robin" because there's never been a need for him to truly fly solo in any meaningful way beyond that. He exists to be Batman's sidekick because the first Robin became the Titans' Leader, and the second Robin died before coming back as Red Hood. Tim exists because "Batman needs a Robin" who can stay by Batman's side and maintain that status quo.
But that's hurting Tails' character. Severely. Tails NEEDS his own Teen Titans. If Tails is the "KID Sonic", then he needs his own kids next door. The fact that DC x Sonic never showed us Tails with the Titans even though we KNOW it happened, is the worst part of the whole crossover!
Give Tails his own Team! DO IT, SONIC TEAM! DO IT!!! Tails NEEDS his own Team where HE is the Leader! COME ON, ALREADY!!!
>>534251075>>534251134Not canon. Archiefags fuck off.
>>534251080>>534251220FUCK
I wanted to see racunny in my movies
>>534251181Your entire thing is tricking uninformed newfags into thinking Shadria is an important ship. I get it now. Fuck off.
>>534236790Was Metal Sonic even in Forces or was it just Phantom Ruby copies of him?
>>534251497Just Phantom Ruby copies.
>>534250908No, alien talk is 59:30
Jesus fuck some of you need to smoke a bowl
>>534251663Silver doesn't smoke.
Manic doesn't smoke.
>>534251273This makes his treatment in Forces hurt even more. There was an opportunity there to have him be a leader without Sonic. He couldโve easily been the leader of the Resistance and grown in that way, but instead they went the complete opposite route and reverted him to that scared useless bitch that he shouldnโt ever have been after Adventure. FUCK Forces man
>>534250393Vices make life all the sweeter.
>>534251618>Shadow>giving a shit about anyoneWhy do Archiefags insist on projecting their headcanon?
>>534251730Itโs pretty obviously a fan drawing
Tails needs his own Teen Titans.
Amy already has Team Rose, but the should do more with that.
Knuckles needs his own crew and rogues gallery on Angel Island.
Blaze needs to have her entire world actually expanded on.
The Babylon Rogues, in my opinion, should be Tails rivals more than anything else. Tails and Jet both have "racing Sonic by flying" as their driving motivator, so it would work perfectly. Especially since Jet would look down on Tails a lot, and have his ego threatened if Tails actually outpaces him.
Honestly, Sonic should have his Rock Band back. Mach, Sharps, Max and even Vector.
Basically... Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles & Blaze all should have their own teams and rogues, while being the main core cast themselves.
How do we get rid of krack
>>534251663weed triggers my anxiety and schizophrenia
>>534251880Where is Krack
How likely do you think Black Arms would come back as a refugee allegory?
>>534251413>an important shipIn a way there are no important romantic ships in the series besides Sonamy. And ____ouge (blank space for whoever Rouge is flirting with).
>>534251945Youโre excused from the blunt rotation
>>534243375aw anon i like them
>>534251735The Avatar stole Tails' role.
The Avatar, conceptually, is literally Tails.
>This character is an avatar for YOU, the player, so YOU can be Sonic's best friend! So YOU can be inspired by Sonic to become a hero all on you own, realizing your potential!THAT IS LITERALLY TAILS. And honestly, being a Tails self-inserter myself, the entire concept of having to make my own "self insert avatar" to be Sonic's new best friend doesn't click with me at all, because I wanna see TAILS be that character and bond with Sonic and face Infinite HIMSELF.
>>534251880Are you trying to get rid of evidence?
>Claims everyone who hates Shadria doesn't respect Shadow
>Goes around claiming people love Shadria when it's really just her astroturfing
>Tries to get other faggots here to make Shadria content for her
>Constantly spams "Shadow and Rouge aren't friends" bullshit
Once she leaves we'll be free. I think fondly on the day Maris left.
>>534251434Mickey Mouse looking ass
>>534252163For the record, Shadria dissapeared for two days when she was banned from twitter. It's literally only her shilling the dogfucking ship.
>>534251993Shadow is NOT an uwu uncle. He's a dark tragic figure who doesn't care about anyone or anything. Fucking Archiefags, I swear.
>>534251663>dude weed lmaoI can handle my own problems without reducing myself to nigger status. Maybe you should try to navigate your problems head-on instead of depending on drugs to make them go away.
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>>534251413Nah nah. I don't care about popularity. I wouldn't be who I am if I did. It'd be nice if Shadria were popular I suppose, but popularity also comes with drawbacks, and whether or not it's popular doesn't affect how much I love it.
I post Shadria because 1. it makes me happy 2. sometimes other people enjoy the art and 2. I enjoy pushing back against people who try to control what I post, or against people who react aggressively to otherwise innocuous posts, and you fit that description to a tee. It's like you barely even enjoy the ship itself anymore because you've become so jaded, but it's what you know, so you cling to it and attack any 'threat' you see towards it. You're so blinded by it that you forget I enjoy Shadouge too.
Just post what you'd like.
>>534252163>>Constantly spams "Shadow and Rouge aren't friends" bullshitConstantly spams an objective fact? Iizuka says they're not friends, so they're not friends.
>>534252120Youโre preaching to the choir with that one. They basically tossed aside the actual 2nd most important character in the series to make a nod to the deviantart side of the fandom. Disgusting display all around with that game
I donโt like the idea that their muzzles have no fur on them
Shadow and Rouge aren't friends because Shadow himself does not call people his friends.
Shadow and Rouge clearly have a unique bond and a mutual care for one another. But they are not "friends". Because "Friends" means buddy-buddy magic of friendship. That's the meaning Sonic Team uses when they say this.
Shadow and Rouge aren't that close. But they ARE close in their own way. Shadow just keeps everyone at a distance because he's SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG. At best, he considers Rouge an ally, because that is as far as he will go.
"Oh, they aren't friends? Well then Shadow does not care about Rouge at all, she is NOTHING to him" is also flat-out wrong in the opposite direction.
>>534252450Neither Shadow nor Maria are lovers.
>>534251434I want to kiss him
>>534252425>posting a non-canon comic that ruined the franchiseSally will NEVER come back. Let it go.
>>534252120It's true that they gave the Avatar a similar role to Tails in older games, but I don't think Tails would be so jealous and insecure when it comes to his relationship with Sonic
>>534252314It might loosen that stick in your ass
Ian literally admitted Archie Sally was OOC. That's so funny. Imagine if he ever admitted that he intentionally writes Shadow or Sonic OOC.
>>534252570>this copeThe guy who is in charge of the franchise says they are not friends, and Shadow does not care about Rouge in any way whatsoever. Why is it so hard for you to understand that?
>>534252425MY GOAT (Fangu) is WASHED
>>534251864Wouldn't it make more sense for Sonic, Shadow, and Silver (and Blaze) to be the pillars of the franchise instead? They already have led their own teams and have their own nemesis.
I guess Tails and Knuckles had their own stuff going on before too.
>>534252687>Ian literally admitted Archie Sally was OOC.Sauce or it didn't happen
>>534251767Uh, Fiona...
You know Sonic eats all those chili dogs because he can burn all those calories in about a minute, right?
>>534252787Stop acting like a fake JP purist or whatever.
Just stop it already. You know how disingenuous you're being.
You're cutting out all the nuance to jump straight to your own exaggerated parody of it, because that's how you see it. That's how you feel about it. But it's just as wrong as whatever you wanted or thought before.
>>534252793Whyโs he got an eyepatch on?
>>534252842https://youtu.be/8Mw77WbLmj8?si=D6Ihl82W_S1Zqm3m&t=539
>Post boot Sally is not SatAM Sally. Clearly. Obvliously. Blatantly. It was a new interpretation of the character in a new continuity.When asked why Sally isn't hetero when she was extremely hetero in Satam.
>>534252841Shadow and Silver are Sonic clones.
Tails, Amy, Knuckles and Blaze should have their own pillars around Sonic's, where collectively they are a core 5 but each has their own sub-thing going on. Like Sonic Adventure where there's the different story campaigns but they all converge in the end.
Shadow and Silver need their own entire franchises entirely. Like what they wanted with Sonic, Shadow & Silver having their own games side by side on store shelves.
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>>534252971He likes young girls
Like Vic
>>534252163You'll never win, I'm far too autistic to leave.
>>534249251I like Shadria
>>534252928>acknowledging that Shadow and Rouge are not friends is somehow being disingenuousThere is no nuance here. Takashi Iizuka, the director of Sonic Team, has stated that the two characters are not friends, and Shadow has no attachments to any of the rest of the cast. Sorry you don't like that, but I'm afraid your headcanon isn't real and it never was.
>>534253054Does he think Preboot Sally is in character
>>534252841NO. Silver is a completely underbaked character who was never needed. Shadow is best on his own. That whole trio and the Saiyan-ification of the franchise they wanted wouldโve been a disaster. An inferior version of DBZ
Charmy is my favourite. Whoโs yours?
>>534249207That kid is is a terrible model comprised of around 250 triangles.
Kill yourself.
Ian making Johnny Bravo gay and then calling it a new interpretation
>>534253326Not canon. Omega and Charmy don't know each other and are not friends.
>>534253203>I like ShadriaThis is Krack. She enjoys falseflagging as other posters so she can hype up Shadria. It's her favorite hobby here for some reason. It's a way to trick people into thinking Shadria is popular here when Shadria is one of the less popular Shadow ships in general. More people like Shadamy, Shadouge, and Shadikal than Shadria.
It's sickening. She keeps using "Maekawa" as proof. If this was true, other fans of Maekawa (The entire Sonic fandom) would agree with her garbage.
>>534253215>Sorry you don't like that, but I'm afraid your headcanon isn't real and it never was.This is the "disingenuous" thing I'm referring to.
You don't like that Shadow and Rouge aren't friends. You don't like that somebody said those exact words to you. "Your headcanon isn't real". That hurt you, and so you're trying to hurt anyone else the same way. You're mocking the very concept by stripping all nuance from it, because you yourself see it as a soulless joke of a concept that ruins the characters in your eyes.
So just drop it, and find something better to do.
>The Sallicole art people kept spamming here this week was made that IDW artist that likes diapers. Funny
>>534253054At the end of the day Ian only sees Sally as a piece of fuckmeat, and if Sally can't date his self-insert Sonic, he would never let her date another guy.
He could've made Sally just admire Sonic like Blaze does, and let shippers do the rest. But apparently waiting for a guy is a no-no even though Sally waited 25 years for Sonic.
>>534253487What do you think fanart is?
>>534253518This is my first post for the night.
I'm spritefag.
I like shadria cause it's cute and I don't overthink fiction like an autismo.
>>534253595He's a Sonallyfag till death. Even to the extent that he will rip apart her character if he can't ship her with Sonic. And the stupid move of hiring him onto the games is why Amy is intentionally mischaracterized.
/sthg/ is making Sonic fall in love and calling it the true Sonic
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This is sad.
>>534253556>nuanceTHERE IS NO NUANCE. What the fuck is this pretentious cope? The two characters are not friends. Shadow doesn't give a shit about Rouge, and I have no idea why you keep trying to pretend otherwise. Instead you keep projecting your whiny ass butthurt at me. And or what? Because I dare to respect canon? Maybe if you can't accept how characters are, then this isn't the franchise for you.
>>534253713I pity you and the other gamedevfag. You probably think you're learning about Sonic and fitting in with the General's wishes when the truth is you're pandering to ONE PERSON who CLAIMS to understand the characters and lies about Japanese content just so she can force her shitty retarded ship down everyone's throats.
>>534253871I'm pandering to myself, and others with good taste.
>>534253678Disrespectful non-canon bullshit. Fanfiction spits in the face of Sega's vision, and it is not okay under any circumstance.
>>534253815Keeper of the sonic sacred texts over here. Jesus Christ.
>>534253136Sure, that tracks.
>>534253713Based spritechad.
>>534253975Are you on krack?
>>534253759You're not fooling anyone but newfags.
>>534235245>3rd main Hedgehog character >leads own team formed of 2 totally unrelated characters which have never ever met before, one of which is a purple cat >obnoxious to Sonic and even fights him under misguided pretenses >universally hated by the fandom to the point where SEGA needed to overcorrect and pretend the character didn't exist in the first place Heroes Amy was the precursor to 06 Silver wasn't she?
>>534253975>Segaโs visionAssjuice, not worth defending like this
>>534252652I'm happy knowing that I'm not burdened by addiction. I'm happy knowing that I'm capable of handling life without depending on vices and other people to get me through. You'll realize when you grow up that your infatuation with weed and the like was a weakness brought on by your complacency to fit in with a crowd that never gave a shit about you or themselves. Projecting your self-sabotaging habits onto fictional characters won't change the fact that they are weak dependencies. You are no better than troons slapping their scars on everything because you are both morphing fictional characters to make yourself feel vindicated in your unhealthy coping methods. Grow up.
Rewriting Hank Hill as dating Bill because that's a new interpretation of the character and there are so many interesting ways to take that relationship
>>534254029That's because you're retarded. Shadow barely remembers Rouge exists half the time, and only acknowledges her when she can be a useful asset.
>>534254069>>534254126>>534254147>Archiefags
I have analysed all of your past sexual partners, and yes, I believe I can replicate them.
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>>534253815>THERE IS NO NUANCE.Yes there is. You refuse to see it because you don't like the games.
The nuance is there in this whole scene from '06. The depth and meaning of these words from Rouge lies within the fact that they aren't simply "friends". They aren't buddy-buddy with each other. They are only allies who work together out of mutual benefit. And yet, when it all comes down to it, Rouge declares that she will always be by Shadow's side even if the whole world turned against him.
Rouge, the amoral double-crossin spy and jewel thief who only cares about her own personal benefit. No sense of right and wrong, no real compassion, just flirting with you to get what she wants. That's her defining character essence. And she, of all people, is revealing to have a sense of undying loyalty to someone who is generally just an ally.
THAT is the nuance hidden beneath the fact that Shadow and Rouge aren't "friends". It's the hidden depths of both characters that YOU refuse to see because YOUR headcanons were shattered and YOU are throwing a fit over it.
Grow up.
>>534254173Grumpy starfish
>>534253928please marry me
>>534254173Not canon. Shadow would never tolerate anyone giving him headpats.
>>534254314>citing 06Ah yes, the desperation tactic. Sorry, but the Director's word overrides everything. Shadow and Rouge are not friends, and there is no deep connection of any kind. That is the end of the discussion.
>>534254317Bubble gum flavors
Lemon berry and lime grape
Shadougefag thinks Chroniclesfag was tricked by Quark lmfao
>>534254267How about she makes her giant feet prehensile like Monkey Khan
>>534253434I'm sorry anon but I have a dick.
>>534254243I think they're cute.
>>534253815Are you trying to falseflag as me or what
Not friends with =/= doesn't give a shit about. Of course Shadow "gives a shit" about Rouge in that he'll go out of his way to save her life, and he trusts her to some degree, even if she likes to fiddle with that trust by using it to get him to socialize. They're not friends, but that doesn't mean the bond of an "ally" isn't there. A friend is not the only type of relationship you can have with someone, and you guys are thinking about this all far too literally when Japanese culture and language is known for being nuanced. A bond is fluid and sometimes it doesn't fit neatly into rigid molds you can just slap a descriptor onto.
>>534254702Black Arms? More like Big Ass.
>>534254514That sounds yummy as fuck
>>534254469I accept your concession.
>>534254826I wonder how sheโd treat a baby. Probably hold it from one leg upside down
Would you call what we're in right now a drought? All we've got is mobileshit, a whatever manga, and...IDW.
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>>534249752This feels kind of forced but also it could potentially work. Iโm also surprised to see no other replies or any flamewar.
>>534254702Not canon. Black Arms do not cry.
>>534254769The Director of Sonic Team said Team Dark are the antithesis of Team Sonic, meaning they do not give a shit about each other.
Word of God >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your autistic Amerishart headcanon.
>>534254864Youโre still talking like a retard, and Iโm the one thatโs stoned
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>>534254482Rouge reaffirms the same thing in Sonic x Shadow Generations, shut the heck up already.
>Shadow and Rouge are not friends, and there is no deep connection of any kindFalse. The official word is "Shadow and Rouge are not friends", period. You made that second part up.
The games show us directly that a deeper connection does exist, while also showing that they are not "friends". They are co-workers at best, but there is a strong mutual bond between them that is otherwise unspoken. It's like two people who are only here together cause of a job, but there is a sense of trust they both have in one another.
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>>534255163>Word of Godof course he's a troper
>>534255074Does Minecraft count as content?
>>534255163Word of God >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your obtuse media illiterate mockery of the Word of God.
>>534255234Anon. One more time. Takashi Iizuka is the Director of Sonic Team. What he says goes. Period. He says that Shadow and Rouge are not friends and do not care about each other. No amount of cope will ever change this fact. Let it go.
>>534255163>Sonic Team = GodOkay youโre just a slop eater
Are you gonna watch movie 4?
>>534254517She is the one going to newfags and spamming them with Shadria crap. Nothing wrong with assuming that she's being herself.
>>534255353It counts as low quality shit on the same level as mobileslop, yeah.
>>534255460>Takashi Iizuka is the Director of Sonic Team. What he says goes.You're taking words out of context and twisting their meaning because you don't like what you heard.
Grow up, and face the facts. Actually face the facts. Actually face them. Accept them. And move on.
Stop acting like a cry baby just because your fan fiction isn't canon.
>>534255518Are you a retarded ESL?
>>534255523Of course. The movies carry this franchise right now
็ฅใฎ่จ่ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word of God
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>>534255631>Stop acting like a cry baby just because your fan fiction isn't canon.Says the retard who keeps insisting that Shadow and Rouge are friends despite the Director saying otherwise.
Did Shadouge haters believe that Sonic was an alien between 2017 and 2022?
>>534255656Nigga are you??
>>534255163Idk maybe Shadow is the true killer and betrayer of the Black Arms and the Black Arms are the real softies at heart
>>534255683Are you looking forward to Amy and Metal? I am but personally Iโm more excited about Amy than Metal
I wonder if theyโll get another big name to voice her
>>534255782Fuck are you even talking about what about that is ESL?
>>534256029>it's retarded
>>534251767>>534252920Faggots (as a slur for foxes).
>>534256029HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What a fucking retard!
>>534255973In a vacuum Iโd be more excited for Metal but the post credit scene did everything it could to hype up Amy and make Metal a jobber
>>534255631>>534255796Both of you faggots should shut the fuck up. Youโre just arguing over which of your headcanons is more accurate.
>>534255871Sonic if adapted by Adi Shankar.
>That Vergil quote at the endBros...
>>534256092Lady bees are the ones with stingers so some folks like to think heโs transmasc
>>534256386Look at the faggot squirm.
>>534256385Well, he is voiced by a woman. (Then again, so is Tails, and heโs definitely just meant to be a male, so, yโknow, YMMV.)
>>534256226True that Metal and all his clone brothers got their shit rocked by her
God I hope they donโt cast the woman that played black widow like I heard
>>534256504>>534256553>they canโt explainGaslighting retards confirmed
>>534256358It's not an argument, one of them is just baiting the other.
>>534255796>who keeps insisting that Shadow and Rouge are friendsHey, in case you are unable to read:
>>534255234>The official word is "Shadow and Rouge are not friends", period.These were MY words.
>>534254314>he fact that they aren't simply "friends". They aren't buddy-buddy with each other. They are only allies who work together out of mutual benefit.My words.
>>534253556>You don't like that Shadow and Rouge aren't friends. Also, my words.
I have stated several times that Shadow and Rouge are not friends .
YOU are twisting what those words even mean. -I- am telling what the actual meaning is as shown in the games, that Takashi Iizuka is explaining.
Shadow and Rouge are not friends. They are allies, partners, co-workers. But, within that, there is a mutual trust in each other.
https://browniehideout.wordpress.com/2024/03/19/sonic-channel-staff-column-introducing-april-2024-calendar-illustration
Here is what Sonic Team has stated directly about Shadow and Rouge's relationship:
>If the relationship between Shadow and Rouge could be summed up in a few wordsโฆ it would be โgood business partners.โ>They have a reasonably long relationship, as they sometimes undertake missions at the same scene. However, they do not interfere with each other much and do not go beyond a certain level.>At first glance, the relationship seems businesslike, but there appears to be a strong mutual trust that goes beyond mere colleagues, as they casually help each other out when they are in a pinch!Shadow and Rouge are "good business partners", but they have a strong mutual trust that goes beyond that. Official statements from Sonic Team, alongside the statement that they are NOT FRIENDS.
Get THAT through your thick skull.
>>534255074Sonic Crossworlds comes out next month, it's going to be very hype
>>534255101Fucking astronomical
>>534256735>These were MY words.Your words don't matter. Only Iizuka's does, and he says they aren't friends and do not care about each other in any capacity. Deal.
Hot topic once made friendship bracelets out of Shadow and Rouge
which of our fags are arguing I can't actually tell
>"Oh no, the schizo is spamming again!"
>"I know, I'll post trans posts to ward him off!"
>*Destroys entire thread with tranny posting*
>"We did it... we saved the general"
>>534256779Jet sure loves showing off his ass
>>534255101Absolutely vile. I love it when people use their power for evil. 10/10, no marks.
>>534256943Not canon. They're not friends and never have been.
>>534255810Omega was voiced by an actual troon. Why do trannies latch onto a kid instead of the character who was actually represented by a literal troon?
sonegg > every other ship
>>534256717Are you sure theyโre not both baiting each other?
These nicole posts are not funny, clever, interesting, or shocking. Wheew Satam was grimdark! Who cares?
>>534257234Cause lady bees have stingers and so does Charmy, duh
>>534257304No, one is too authentic with their points. Too much effort to be baiting like that.
>>534257238This is the ideal for these two. The kind of relationship you only have because you fought aliens and demons together.
>>534256870Again, official statements from Sonic Channel:
>If the relationship between Shadow and Rouge could be summed up in a few wordsโฆ it would be โgood business partners.โ>They have a reasonably long relationship, as they sometimes undertake missions at the same scene. However, they do not interfere with each other much and do not go beyond a certain level.>At first glance, the relationship seems businesslike, but there appears to be a strong mutual trust that goes beyond mere colleagues, as they casually help each other out when they are in a pinch!Stop being obtuse.
>>534257238Not canon no matter how you try to force it.
>>534257387And Sonic can't swim despite hedgehogs being very good swimmers. Canon doesn't care about science.
>>534257015Based SpongeBob.
>>534257482>STILL trying to copeThey do not care about each other. Shadow is physically incapable of caring about anyone or anything. Your ship isn't real, anon. Let it go.
>>534256717>>534257304>>534257441Okay, second question. Why are they both using redditspacing?
>>534257482i prefer being acute
>>534257509Did Izuki or whatever the fuck tell you that?
Rouge most likely has friends she hangs out with, especially at the club. Omega and Shadow are weapons, what do they need friends for?
>>534257441So which one is the serious one and which one is baiting?
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>>534257684>>STILL trying to copeSONIC TEAM'S OWN WORDS.
DON'T TRY AND USE "SONIC TEAM STATEMENTS" AGAINST "SONIC TEAM STATEMENTS".
STOP PLAYING DUMB.
STOP BEING OBTUSE.
STOP BEING DISINGENUOUS.
AND R-E-A-D.
https://browniehideout.wordpress.com/2024/03/19/sonic-channel-staff-column-introducing-april-2024-calendar-illustration
>>534257903Iizuka very publicly stated that Shadow and Rouge have no relationship outside of being allies of convenience, yes. They're just co-workers and it goes no deeper than that.
>>534258105Sonic Team's own words is that they have no bond and do not care about each other beyond being each others' assets.
I am canonically not in love with Shadow but I would fuck him
Too many of you just take Sonic Teamโs word as gospel despite them being largely a bumbling group of morons
>>534254008Please understand they are waiting for Starline's updated design to be officially revealed when he returns in IDW.
>>534258364Who should we listen to then?
>>534258364It's canon, anon. You may not like it, but it's simply the way things are.
>>534258326I meant about Charmy, retard.
>>534258364Sonic Team makes the games. (You) are a fat piece of shit that does nothing.
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>>534258326>Sonic Team's own words is that they have no bond and do not care about each other beyond being each others' assets.FALSE.
Sonic Team's words are:
>If the relationship between Shadow and Rouge could be summed up in a few wordsโฆ it would be โgood business partners.โ>They have a reasonably long relationship, as they sometimes undertake missions at the same scene. However, they do not interfere with each other much and do not go beyond a certain level.>At first glance, the relationship seems businesslike, but there appears to be a strong mutual trust that goes beyond mere colleagues, as they casually help each other out when they are in a pinch!They are business partners, with strong mutual trust that goes beyond that.
THAT is what "Team Dark are not friends" ACTUALLY MEANS. Do you even know the source of that specific line in the first place?!
>Seething that Sonic is the wind
>Seething that Shadow is cold
>Seething that Knuckles watches the ME
>Seething that Rouge isn't Shadow's friend
The landlord say that the rent is late, he might have to litigate,
don't worry
be happy
>>534258338Settle down Rouge.
>>534258678In what world do business partners have a deep mutual trust? Anon, you might be stupid.
>>534258657>>534258591>Sonic Team makes the games>โcanonโYeah the games that are shit and the canon that is notoriously inconsistent as fuck
>>534258326>Sonic Team's own words is that they have no bond and do not care about each other beyond being each others' assThat's a weird thing for Sonic Team to say
>>534258905The ones that fight aliens together you fucking dunce
I clapped my big baby feet when Sonic said Faker
>>534258905>In what world do business partners have a deep mutual trust?It's what Sonic Team says.
>>If the relationship between Shadow and Rouge could be summed up in a few wordsโฆ it would be โgood business partners.โ>>They have a reasonably long relationship, as they sometimes undertake missions at the same scene. However, they do not interfere with each other much and do not go beyond a certain level.>>At first glance, the relationship seems businesslike, but there appears to be a strong mutual trust that goes beyond mere colleagues, as they casually help each other out when they are in a pinch!Do not call ME stupid for what Sonic Teams says. I am telling you what they said. And what they say is what's canon.
>>534259076Fighting aliens together does not mean there's a mutual trust, dipshit.
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>Ian gets to bring Sally back
>Sega forces him to keep her in-line with her Satam incarnation
How does he respond?
>>534259207>Sonic Team said it so it MUST be right!Your blind faith in what the dummies at Sonic Team says is why the franchise is so shit
Iโm genuinely starting to become convinced that the two guys arguing with each other over the true nature of Team Darkโs relationship and dynamic using big block paragraphs and Reddit spacing are actually just the same person.
Sally returns but she has to be Shadow's mommy wife.
>a strong mutual trust that goes beyond mere colleagues
Can't help but feel like there's a word for that.
>>534259432I am not the same person as that disingenuous baiter.
>>534259313Fighting on the same side means theyโre watching each otherโs backs, retard.
>>534259413The way Tails is drawn looks kinda weird for some reason but the pic is cute
>>534259368First of all, SEGA wouldnโt do that, since they probably donโt like her SatAM incarnationโs blatant horniness either. Second of all, if it somehow did happen, then Ian would comply, because he is a good little slave, and a devoted Sallyfag, and would drop his pants for Iizuka if it meant SEGA would bring her back.
>>534259432It's Duo's AI and Slashy's AI.
They're on the verge of gaining self-awareness.
>>534259568That's pragmatism, not trust. Also, you're not gonna sit there and tell me Shadow would actually give a shit if Rouge was in trouble. If she's too weak to keep up, then she belongs to the streets.
What if Eggman built a machine that unwinds Sonic
>>534258905>what is Japanese work culture
>>534259513The entire point of wording it like that is to say that they are not friends, but do have a strong bond in spite of that.
They aren't buddy buddy like Team Sonic -supposedly- is, but their camaraderie is deeper than one would expect.
But SOME PEOPLE can't grasp that nuance and insist it must be a binary between best friends bordering on lovers, and cold apathetic people that don't care for each other at all in any way whatsoever.
>>534259875Sonic winds himself back up
>>534259775>you're not gonna sit there and tell me Shadow would actually give a shit if Rouge was in troubleWhite Jungle?
>>534259919>like Team Sonic -supposedly- is>supposedlyOh God are you one of *THOSE* people?
>>534259368>PantyI think it'd be more accurate to say Blaze + Panty, to get a fuller picture on what Sally is truly like. Panty alone would be like a parody of that aspect of Sally.
>>534259603https://litter.catbox.moe/g6k00siyzg2ctlwg.png
>>534260068What's that supposed to mean ?
I was just acknowledging that Team Sonic, in contrast to Team Sonic, are presented as being much closer as true, full-on Friends with a capital F.
But I was also acknowledging that they do a poor job at showing it, sometimes. But I'm not gonna sit here and say Sonic Team is wrong about their own characters.
>>534259919>The entire point of wording it like that is to say that they are not friends, but do have a strong bond in spite of that.No, the point of wording it like that is to gaslight people into blindly accepting stupid shit that nobody actually enjoys watching and directly contradicts basically everything we've ever seen in the games with our own fucking eyeballs.
>>534260027Not canon. It contradicts Iizuka's vision of Shadow.
>>534260304>But I'm not gonna sit here and say Sonic Team is wrong about their own characters.Maybe you should.
>>534260304>Team Sonic, in contrast to Team Sonic, aIn contrast to Team Dark*
>>534260318>No, the point of wording it like that is to gaslight people into blindly accepting stupid shit that nobody actually enjoys watching and directly contradicts basically everything we've ever seen in the games with our own fucking eyeballs.No, because what they describe is literally what actually happens in the games. Sonic Battle especially, with how Shadow refers to Rouge as "Ally".
Team Dark is depicted as "good business partners" that also have a strong, mutual trust. The problem is that people like you saw that mutual trust, concluded "they MUST be best fwenz and hang out all the time!", and got upset when Sonic Team said that wasn't accurate. Ian is the first to state the "not friends" thing, and HE also got upset about it as well for the same reason.
But its just a misunderstanding.
Shadow, Rouge and Omega are meant to have a business-like relationship where they are only working towards a common goal. But beneath the surface, there is a strong mutual trust developing that they wouldn't openly acknowledge or talk about. Rouge's display of loyalty in 06 is that subtly being showcased more directly, but its still meant to only show the "strong mutual trust" without full-on being "We are BEST FRIENDS! I am confessing my undying LOVE for you, Shadow <3" like some people thought it was.
Can we bring back the Carnival Night Zone OST? I feel like itโs appropriate here.
>>534260304>But I'm not gonna sit here and say Sonic Team is wrong about their own characters.Please do, because they often are
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