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/sthg/ #8525 - Apprehended Edition
==NEWS==
>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Jet Stream | Amy, Cream, & Big the Cathttps://youtu.be/qYMbDyCMHtU
>TailsTube #12 - Life Hackshttps://youtu.be/R3WmM7nVq_I
>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Animation Teaserhttps://youtu.be/qFDJ6zMyq-k
>Sonic Racing - Cross the Worlds - (Opening ver.) - Performed by James Bourne of Bustedhttps://youtu.be/OR9FGj1Bj70
>New card game Sonic Blitz released download here.https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-blitz-apk
>Sonic Rumble Global Launch Delayedhttps://sonicrumble.com/GLDelay
>Paramount Developing Sonic Movie Spin-Offshttps://comicbook.com/gaming/news/sonic-the-hedgehog-spin-off-movies-report-paramount/
>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will be released on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/
==Comics Release Dates==
Sonic the Hedgehog #81 - 03 September 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary Special - 08 October 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog #82 - 15 October 2025
Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - 04 Mar 2026
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>>534586626 (OP)Fucked up previous thread link
>>534538783, my bad
>>534586920I can't forgive you
/Sthg/ is cordially invited to... the mansion: https://www.yourworldoftext.com/sthgmansion
Shitposting in my thread right after a beer
Hey that Bump was made by a Deer
Report and hide?
How about you die.
I'll spam a hundred posts in an hour.
Little do you know, I bought a VPN and pass
Imma get your thread bumping ass
Traumatize this slut with sthg sloth smut
It seems she's outta luck
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>>534585567>BiolizardNot the main villain of SA2, Shadow and Gerald are
>Neo Metal Sonic>>534586156>Black DoomGives the hero an explanation of his motives and can work with him, albeit in a non-canon story path
>Dark GaiaWhole game is about the relationship between the dark and light Gaias and how that conflict is necessary to the balance of Sonic's World
I'll give Mephiles/Iblis (half-baked combo of Chaos and the Biolizard?) and Eggman Nega(bootleg Eggman with bootleg motivations) though; my point is Dark age Sonic villains have a side to the story, and Force's attempts to recapture that was lacking
Sonic says: Destructo Disk!
An anon found the old fic Flynn wrote where the name of the commander was first coined.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120502170945/http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1438409/1/Coming_of_Age
I'll give it a read and later reply with my thoughts. It's a 22 year old story by an amateurish Potto, so let's see.
I think Anti-Windfags just want millennial writing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHG8EfcA5c
>>534587530Kissing Tails on the lips and sticking my tongue down his throat until he nearly gags and slurping down my mouth like I haven't drank in 2 days.
>>534587697I feel they just want a specific kind of writing: anime shows for kids that has an awkward translation into English.
Someone once said both Undertale and Deltarune are written like that, and not gonna lie, it amused me the thought.
>>534587686Well, it was General Tower, not Commander Abraham Tower... could be a different guy, like Commander Walters.
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>>534587771No gagging! Tails shouldn't be harmed!
>>534587195I dont see any gutters on this house, the water damage must be insane
>>534587771Honey the Cat, we have you surrounded, come out you degenerate!
I'm glad sthg discusses Sonic and not off topic shit like ocs
>>534587927Undertale is written like how a 2010s Tumblr user talked. It feels dated nowadays but it's quite charming
>>534587990>>534588039>No gaggi-slurrpp mmmggghffffhmmggg
>>534587987The wiki does state the name originated from an original character, so that tracks.
Meaning that one anon was sperging about how Abraham Tower originated from a fanfic, when the reality is that a writer just reused an old idea of his into what he was writing.
And if you know anything about licenced media, that's absolutely fucking normal.
>>534587990This. Kissing Tails on the mouth while making sure he's comfortable and happy!
>>534588240Shadow, thank god you're here, the scene is a mess.
We got the place surrounded, crazy pervert barricaded with a foxboy, she's dove off the deep end.
Are the comics allowed to reference game plots or not Because Flynn said they weren't but the classic comics do.
>>534588663>"Go that way, forward"
I DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE AUTHORITY OF G.U.N.! YOU WILL PRY MY FOXBOY OUT OF MY COLD, DEAD HANDS...PAWS....HANDPAWS!
The IDW comics should be written like Code Lyoko.
>>534588950No, Doctor Who
>>534587773>flirty spy and serious soldierIt works so well.
I am in an argument that is dumber than almost anything I've ever been in this place.
I am being called a liar for quoting Ian Flynn because apparently the information is outdated?
Shut up Slashy. No one cares.
>>534588950... Elaborate. Cause that is a batshit assertion that could mean so many things.
>>534588950I only watched code lyoko for the girls with big foreheads
>>534588881Remember shen SEGA announced a new Jet Set Radio and Crazy Taxi like 2 years ago and then nothing happened
>>534589205Depends on what are you quoting. I seen many people quote Flynn and misread what he has said.
>>534589619thats the xbox way
>announce cool shit>behind the scenes everything is on fire burning>plug pulled silently when nobody is looking
>>534589414Half of the issue/arc has us following the characters in how they go about their normal day-to-day lives and the other half is when Sonic gets involved and they go on an adventure to fight/stop the evil big bad, usually Eggman.
You get to explore what other characters do in their daily lives and expand upon them while also having Sonic be like the wind, only showing up when the action and adventure starts that way the audience can ignore what they don't want to read/see and jump immediately into the action, which is when Sonic comes into frame. Maybe even throw in a story or two where it subverts that expectation and instead it's about how Sonic spends his days lazing around when he's not adventuring and the character of the issue has their adventure by themselves like with Knuckles or Tails.
>>534589735He said that he was not allowed to reference events in game plots and I shared a clip of him saying it. They are calling me a liar because he referenced classic game plots in the classic comics.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MyeG8CK0UBU&t=7m42s
Someone last night decided to watch Doctor Who because of sthg and said it was peak game Sonic.
>>534589454I mean... yeah. Yumi, my beloved.
>>534589887Oh! You want it formatted to be half slice of life and half adventure. The action-y A-plot mixed with the more mundane B-plot. That's just kind of standard television writing, which I wouldn't have a problem with.
I was losing my mind for a second there, cause I thought you wanted Sonic the Hedgehog to be more French or something.
>>534588663What's your favorite version of the Tornado?
I always liked how unique the Spinball Plane was
I'm not a hardcore windfag but there's nothing wrong with Sonic's "proper" characterization in X, 06, Black Knight, Secret Rings, Sonic Channel, the Hirono manga and BoC. He's inspirational but also annoying, sly, goofy, afraid of water, etc. He is a real character but hardcore windfags are very autistic and make him out to be a one dimensional god and that turns some people off. Sonic should be talked about like Goku and Bugs Bunny rather than a vague idea.
>>534590343that doesn't look very stable
>>534589985I believe both you and your critics are wrong in this case. Flynn wasn't allowed at the time, but he has stated multiple times it's a case by cases basis, so the higher ups allowed him later to reference the games.
It's not complex. Don't take them seriously.
>>534589105>>534590051I take serious issue with this comparison, because every incarnation of the Doctor is a fully defined character. Sonic is a soulless mascot with no personality. Fucking Six is more of a legit mascot with attitude than Sonic.
>>534590343Not him but when it comes to the desgin mine is the original, and I particularly like its SA1 appearance. However, I conceptually like the Tornado 2 a lot, I like that Tails builds it and I also like that it's blue and yellow like Sonic and Tails
>>534589887What you've just described is Sonic Boom.
>>534590462Half of the incarnations are adventurers with a problem with authority.
Let me explain. Tailsfags are FOUR thing:
1. Tailsfags are pedophiles
2. Tailsfags are zoophiles
3. Tailsfags worst of all are women
4. Tailsfags are.......a pieces of shit.......YAAH!
>>534590236>Sonic the Hedgehog to be more French or something.That wouldn't necessarily be bad either.
>>534590992And the sky is blue.
>>534590868Yes, and that is a core trait that each incarnation is a different take on. Maintaining the spirit of the character while doing different things with them. What a novel concept.
fandom
>Honey is a pedo foxboyxlusting dom
reality
>Honey is a sweet, shy girl who puts on a persona
>>534591062Well at that point, you might as well replace Sonic with Antoine, which... HOT FUCKING TAKE!
>>534590992It's hard being a Tailsfag as a women. There's not enough smut where he's the one taking charge. I want him to call me a pedo while he takes me.
>>534591062Isn't that supposed to be a show for little children? The goat pretty explicitly flashed that bunny. The fuck is wrong with those people?
>>534591573>The fuck is wrong with those people?They're French, need I say more?
>>534591587Amyfags will never beat the besties allegations.
>>534591573The French do not share the same irrational hatred of sexuality that us Americans sadly possess.
>>534591573What's it like to type exactly like the soccer moms you hated growing up?
>>534591905>>534592045I don't think it's a good idea to be teaching kids how to sexually manipulate and attract the opposite sex when they're still learning their ABC's.
>>534591905The same generation that hates religion also follows the values that it programmed into them without question.
>>534590936Foids be like:
>"erm ackshually it's a good thing that established female character got her personality removed to the point she just [girl โ3] and her body changed to the point she barely recognizable from what she used to look like, because i'm an unfuckable fat 3/10 cunt with no tits and if men find out there are more attractive women then me in the world they might not buy my onlyfans"
>Code Lyoko's theme song just popped into my head again
Why did you do this to me /sthg/? It's going to be a week before I get it out again.
>>534591568nice animations
>>534592293STRONGER AFTER ALL
>>534592267what kind of imaginary foid are you talking about
>>534592389HERE WE ARE, GOING FAR, TO SAVE ALL THAT WE LOVE
IF WE GIVE ALL WE GOT WE WILL MAKE IT THROUGH
>>534592404You viewer!
We're talking about YOOOOUUU!
>I'm tired of windshit
So your Sonic input is simply worthless
>>534592293HERE WE ARE, GOIN' FAR, TO SAVE ALL THAT WE LOVE!
>>534592084I agree. We must teach them about guns, explosions and violence instead. Sex can come later but this is more important and life-affirming.
>>534592267I haven't seen any women online or otherwise say that censoring Rouge's boobs is a good thing. If anything, I've seen the exact opposite which makes sense because it's such a non-issue. Breasts are not offensive.
/sthg/ is going to be /clg/ for one thread,
probably for the best, we needed a break.
>>534592723They exist, you just did a good job filtering.
TODAAAAAY MAKE EVIL GO AWAY
>>534592723This. It's mostly trannies and "woke" feminist men trying too hard to not be associated with gooners. Most women I've seen loved rouge because of how she looks and they hate that sega robbed her of her "cuntiness"
>>534592890Maybe there aren't enough out there to even have a presence to begin with.
>Yes, God programmed most peoples' brains to care about sex and feel good to do it, but we have decided not to properly educate you on doing it safely and responsibly because of reasons.
I hate my nation's culture. I bet the Kingdom of Acorn mandates proper sex ed. Sally absolutely would make an executive order to that effect.
I enjoy Sonic being the wind. I didn't realize that made so many people upset.
>>534593165>jimbofags ittnice
>>534592293It lives in my head rent free too
Its bittersweet because I associate it with CN becoming an absolute shit tier channel but I also couldn't look away because there was nothing like it
Sissy did nothing wrong. From her perspective they all just started treating her like shit for no reason.
>>534593279There's Jim haters?
Who the fuck would hate Jim?
>>534593154>leadership skills>understands that she is a womanwtf I think Sally was hella based after all now
>>534593559reminder that she is the first character to mention sonic being "like the wind" over a decade before it became a regular phrase
>>534593154Parents just don't want to talk to their kids about sex, whether for religious reasons or because they're too much of a coward to do so.
So then they rely on school to teach them, which is hampered by what the government allows them to teach which is run by a bunch of 80 year olds on the verge of death for whom the very notion of discussing sex is a crime worse than murder so they instead shut it all down so kids instead learn about it through porn.
If only we had leaders like Sally who are not afraid to discuss and express sexuality to any who asks.
>>534593165Yeah, but I'd rather not talk about it.
>>534593462In hindsight, Sissy was rally weird character. Once I finally saw the pilot, I was seriously confused about all that shit.
>>534593462Wasn't she a bitch to Jeremy for literally no reason most of the time?
>>534593559Nicole tryin' to act like she isn't on that list.
>>534593747>If only we had leaders like Sally who are not afraid to discuss and express sexuality to any who asks.I was sort of joking, but I do genuinely kinda love the idea of Sally being an openly sex-positive politician.
>>534593452If there's a silver lining to CN going to shit with live-action shit, it made me go to other channels like Nickelodeon and Disney. I would have never even known My Life As A Teenage Robot if it didn't shit the bed as hard as it did.
>>534594191>that fucking spoiler though>in a Sonic threadDare we combine these two flavors of autism?
>>534587686Well, that was not a bad read. An OC story alright, but one giving Rouge a backstory. A criminal family and Rouge being indebted for life, thats rad.
I like Jade, but I guess it's because I like ravens.
Also, that anon sperged so much about the name "Abraham Tower" when in the fic is some minor character named "Tower" who is just a general.
That was fun when you have the entire context.
I'm surprised Flynn never made this backstory canon to Rouge in Archie. He lost interest? Didn't have the opportunity? Who knows?
>>534594172>Nicole tryin' to act like she isn't on that list. But Sally only accepts dick...
>Nicole is a digital being...oh.
>>534593778It's weird because you're supposed to hate her because she tries to bust them but she's ultimately victim of circumstances and nice deep down IIRC. It always felt like the gang just goes too far in abusing her. I always felt the same about Amy.
>>534593803Jeremy was a narcissistic fucking cunt. Although that was pretty much everyone except Odd.
>>534594506Belle wishes she was a quarter of the character Jenny is.
>look up 'mlaatr sonic'
>this was the third result
...
>>534594191>>534594506>That one episode where they pretty explicitly made a period joke but replaced it with "oil leaks"Man, what the fuck happened to cartoons in the US.
>>534594546>ome minor character named "Tower" who is just a general.So it's not even the same character, Ian just used the name. LMAOOOOOOO
>>534594964So help me God. There will be more focus on the hero forme.
>>534594546>A criminal family and Rouge being indebted for life, thats radReminds of Haley Starshine from Order of the Stick.
>>534595057Iizuka wants Shadow to be evil though.
>Digital lifeform programmed to forever be a teenager
>Primary color is blue
>Twin tails hair style
>Originated in the 00's
Wait a fucking second.
are everythingfags good or bad
>Talking about shows from the early to mid 2000's
You guys are so old lol. Don't you have kids to take care of or something?
>>534594576>Sally, I've made a few adjustments to my model based on your internet search history...>You want a "big black cock"?>I... do not prefer this form myself, but...>Oh? For private nighttime usage, you say? Very well...
>there's Jenny mod for Generationshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dlt5lMe3m0
Oh let's go?
>>534594746I mean, that's a bit of an understatement considering Jenny headlined her own show that still maintains a loyal fanbase to this day, and the most excited anyone is for Belle is her upcoming story about getting bodied by her sister.
>>534595607In our mid-late 20s? in this political and social climate? in this economy and historical context?
>>534595607Sorry that you grew up with tranny shit like SU while growing up little zoom-zoom but there was a time where television cartoons where actually good believe it or not.
>>534590868The problem with that anaology is that while Sonic has an issue with authority he is usually the first person who demands it, depending on the story or the Doctor.
Hartnell gets very annoyed if people don't listen to him, Jon's doctor is characterised by the Brigadiers comments of "You want someone to follow you around, hand you things and say what a good job you are doing". Fourth would chastise those who thought of different plans than him, even if he was a bit kinder than him.
Sixth mellows out but outright mocks those who think their plan is any better, Seventh is a manipulative little sod.
9th and 10th have the same character arc of allowing the companions more of an equal footing but then 11 and 12 often find themselves arguing who should be in charge depending on the story.
NOBODY HUMAN HAS ANYTHING TO SAY TO ME and 12 even has a whole couple of stories about how he is more of an Officer than to a soldier like Danny Pink.
For Sonic to reflect most of this, he dislikes authority, except for when it would be him dishing it out.
This is one of the greatest conflicts of the Doctor's character. He isn't like the Time Lords, who are stuffy controlling and depending on the story, insane, however, he can find himself at odds with the humans when he ends up trying to boss them around, have views of them that doesn't align with his own, or when he's acting insane. And when criticised, the Doctor steps away to let the human's make a pivotal moment in their history and then gets criticised for babying them.
Sonic makes his own plans because he's brash and arrogant, sure, but is rather carefree about things, doesn't hold a grudge, and doesn't even like making plans. The Doctor is someone who can be brash and arrogant, but surely holds a grudge and loves making plans. Sonic wouldn't electrify an EggRobo out of Egg War Grief
I think The Doctor being Sonic is a very surface level reach for Slashy
>>534595607Believe it or not, some 2000s fans (in general not just sonic) are still fresh out of high school or early 20s because they got into the series around generations and its around that time that a lot of 2000s shows got heavy reruns on cable plus sonic x parts being available through youtube. Its also the period of time where sonic became slower on game releases that we had no choice but to go back to the older 3d games if we wanted more sonic
>>534596006The first sentence should have read "While the Doctor has an issue with authority, the Doctor is usually the first person"
Dang ol' writin' error doin' god dang' ruinin' entire point
>>534595889I never got robo-sexuals but Jenny almost makes me want to be one. Almost.
>>534596006Gonna link you the posts from last night that really explain it.
>>534526937>>534527693
>>5345951581) I'm getting real antsy about the multiple people in this general who are into the same stuff I am.
2) Haley, my beloved.
>>534595872i don't like sallycole but knowing she's a brown lynx that wouldn't be too far from the real experience
I think discussions of wind and OOC all just kind of ignore the fact that it's not that Ian and Evan are incapable it's that they genuinely do not like it.
They are both Archie fans. They both prefer to have Sonic be on a paramilitary team. That has always been the case. That is how they write their fanfics. They don't "do" Sonic as the lone wanderer going on adventures for the sake of it.
That's what the restoration is for. These are grown adults. This isn't some umpulse they can't control.
It's not that "windnic" is some Herculean task to copy. Anyone can write it. Just make Sonic sleep some of the time and chop two thirds of his dialogue.
>>534591568frontiers if good
>We could have Code Lyoko and/or mlaatr fags writing the comic
>Instead we have tumblr and SUfags writing it.
>>534596771When we had a Doctor Who fan writing it we got Scrapnik Island
>>534596771>We could have Code Lyoko and/or mlaatr fags writing the comicThis would just result in Sonic Underground
>>534596771mlaatr have suffered enough. Don't make them like this franchise too.
Imshallah may Nickelodeon pay for their sins.
>>534596612>That's what the restoration is for.It blew up. Do you even read the comic?
>>534596872Which was a nothing burger story that had a tumblr climax, forced stakes, memes, and a blatant attempt to bypass a mandate
>>534596927Sonic Underground's worse aspect is the art style and shitty animation. Improve those two aspects and it'd be a pretty decent show.
>>534596963Yeah and there's still mention of an hq post-frontiers because of tailstube. granted they could retcon it but I dont trust them to not go back to their shitty freedom fighter lite roots
>>534596612>Evan writing Sonic as a member of the paramilitary in her fanficsI don't even get that vibe from Ghost of the Future regarding how she writes Sonic and Silver.
>>534596963Yes. I did. The Restoration isn't the building, it's the people. They made sure to make it absolutely clear that the organization is up and running after that issue.
>>534597189She pushed the Restoration hard in IDW.
>>534596771>wanting a MLaaTR fan writing IDWYou don't actually want that. I can tell you right now that I would have Belle go through an arc where she connects with her brother Omega and discovers the violence fucking rules, actually.
>>534596771>We could have Code Lyoko fags???? Why would they be interested? You're making things up something to be mad about.
>>534597113>blatant attempt to bypass a mandateWhat mandate?
>>534597189Worded that very poorly. The comic features Sonic being on one specific team for its entire run because he is literally bound. . His personality under Evan isn't that far off if he just spoke less.
>>534597295>I would have Belle have an actual character that isn't crying and being a miserable piece of firewood.God forbid.
>>534597291I don't think it was even really on purpose, she's a woman, she doesn't think for herself. She ran on plot threads Ian opened up with his box of retarded ocs and Evan just kept dragging it out to the point when Ian came back he had to put a lid on Mimic and Whisper himself.
>>534597113>tumblr climax>Forced stakes>Memes
Said it once, I'll say it a thousand times. Just let Tangle and Whisper be a cute mercenary couple. I want these goofy bitches to travel the world and shoot things for money, dammit.
Apparently Evan likes or is at least familiar with Doctor Who according to Tumblr so I have no idea why she refuses to do stories like it.
>>534597518Dude what the fuck. I don't like Evan's writing either but no.
>>534597573I don't want them in this series at all
>>534597113>>tumblr climax>>Forced stakes>>Memes*Sorry, forgot the image.
I was thinking.
>what if i'm rich and i could buy sonic?
Then i looked up the value and i told myself even if i was rich i will never get 5 billion and more for the shitty rat.
Then i thought.
>what if i buy just the satam/archie stuff?
>i mean after all they're worth nothing for sega
Then i realized even if it's considered garbage, they would never let someone else take control and fuel competition or confuse the brand, not even for a hundred million, let alone dealing with the japanese. They're just... forever stuck in the closet, sally and the others are like apparently frozen forever in the vault like icepops.
And that's it, it feels strange that you have stuff in your IP that you can't use, how often it happens for the other IPs?
>>534597573I would love for them to travel the world doing whatever they want - off-screen so I don't have to see them, of course.
https://files.catbox.moe/kib2xy.mp3
Hahaha, it's so easy to do Mina's job.
>>534596226It's not surprising, too surprising, pretty sure I learned about OotS from /tg/
>>534597683It's the truth retard, go back to your hugbox on xitter if you can't handle it
No Slashy. I am not going to watch your shitty, barely funded British show.
>>534596045OutRun Guy, no!
>>534597580>She's a fan of Dr. Who, why doesn't she write Sonic like that?This is such a silly question. Evan likely doesn't see the correlation she's literally an archiefag.
>>534597573That seemed to be happening but when the idea was explored it fell apart in the planning stage so the plotline was just dropped
>>534594172I am going to rape both of these bitches one after the other.
>>534597707How is that any different from when people pushed for the "Sonic shitty friends" narrative two decades ago.
You don't like them. What about the people who do like them? You're gonna go with the "not true fans" crap? Because that's just loser behavior I expect from the Diaperfag.
>>534598078Me when I enter a random battle in a JRPG
>>534598078Okay, got me to laugh,
the shrooms you took kicking in at the convention.
>>534597580Maybe its not what she wants to write? It's not rocket science. She likes the Dr Who, but doesn't want to write Doctor Who or something similar to it.
>>534597370NTA but I think it's the Classic/Modern split mandate, which is an artifact of when they were separate dimensions (lolno Classic is on hiatus if not discontinued). They got around that being saying "well Mecha Sonicis already a Modern character via Sobic Adventure" because Ian pushed his Mk.III headcanon. Not that it matters much anyway, if a mandate has enough cracks to be near-ignorable it's not a good mandate.
>>534598078https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HV3oyxr0Eg
>>534598061These people live in a "world of ME', anon. Other peoples' feelings don't matter, because -I- am the only real person, and everyone else is an NPC. All too common, sadly.
>>534597548>>534597794>tumblr climaxmecha sonic needs to find himself and a purpose after unsuccessfully transferring his mind to sonic's. sonic sheds a tear
>forced stakesthe story needed sonic to be crippled so that a rust bucket could be a threat to sonic and tails
>memesyou know what smbz is
>>534598078Honestly just make all your prompts from now on people being torn into nightmare dimensions.
>>534598247Then she does not care to write stuff like the games.
Damn I can't believe the guy who grew up on the idea that Sonic is a freedom fighter who behaves like a regular teenager and is always with his group of pals struggles or outright refuses to write Sonic as an enigmatic godly free spirit that hates romance
Basically Japan thinks Frontiers was made as a boss battle simulator first and then they added the rest of the game later.
>>534598308Why would the destruction of the Restoration be relevant to that?
>>534598392That's a bit sad. I understand their frustration, but at one point we got to learn this is a franchise where everybody is someone's favorite.
I'm still surprised there are people pushing the "Jet is actually cool and complex" narrative, as if I didn't play the two games he's in multiple times.
But what do I know, I'm the Zavokfag, I like a hunky oni thing with a deep elocuent voice, maybe I just don't get it.
>>534598597>Playing Doom while I creampie nanite pussy.Female mobians are obsolete. They simply cannot compete.
>>534598635They should have just kept it a boss battle simulator.
This makes a lot of sense, because it feels like nothing else really had any thought of how it would mesh together.
>>534598497>emotions and character arcs bad>physical challenges to the protagonist bad>references bad
>>534598780nicole is simply superior to that comic
>>534598497Besides the fact those aren't exclusive to Tumblr, you were not talking about Scrapnik Island, you were talking about the Restoration plot line.
Buzz words, buzz words.
Take your (you)
>>534598061"Sonic shitty friends" were actually created to play off Sonic or his others friends
Tangle and Whisper are so detached from the other characters that they only justify their own existence
>>534598886The Metroid general is a few threads down buddy.
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>>534599018>"Sonic shitty friends" were actually created to play off Sonic or his others friends>Silver
>>534598751>this is a franchise where everybody is someone's favorite.Huh. Some genuine wisdom there.
>But what do I know, I'm the Zavokfag, I like a hunky oni thing with a deep elocuent voice, maybe I just don't get it.You say that, but the Bad Guys mini proved that Zavok can be legitimately good. Just requires a writer who can be arsed.
>>534598886scrapnik is on the level of other M
Satam could have prevented so many of the annoying western Sonic tropes if they just went with the original pilot concept that Sonic isn't a freedom fighter. That would have actually made the show more unique. They ruined their own concept. Fucking retards.
>>534598635>boss battle simulatorSo cuphead?
>>534599242I know. I loathe Infinite with every fiber of my being, but I know he has fans that want him back thinking he has some potential.
He already was brought back in that Roblox shit, so I may as well accept my fate.
>>534598597>>534598780>>534599185Man, I don't care what anyone says. Nicole is legitimately one of the best characters in the entire franchise.
>>534599182frontiers was a fucking game
>>534599148Silver does play off Shadow and Blaze
Have a good weekend, /sthg/
>>534599462You never use the video I generated for you
>>534599284>scrapnik is on the level of other MNo. If anything the mainline IDW issues are on the level of Other M. Samus in Other M is undebatably OOC to the point of being an entirely different character. You even have the direct comparison of Samus being TOLD what she can and cannot do just like Sonic is told what he can and cannot do in both Archie and IDW. She has a mental breakdown over Ridley who at that point in the timeline she has already defeated multiple times just like how Sonic has moral dilemma over letting Eggman run free when Sonic has factually stopped and imprisoned Eggman multiple times (albeit Eggman getting thrown into the void in Generations was mostly his own doing.)
Not only have you shown that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Sonic, you also clearly do not know what the fuck you're talking about with Metroid either.
Do you even play video games or do you just talk out of your ass about everything you see that is relevant to whatever conversation you want to take part in?
>>534599648I'm sorry anon I forgot to save it.
I don't understand anti windfags.
I understand that they don't like it and think it's boring.
I understand that they think it makes Sonic a Gary Stu. Which is true in some cases.
I understand that they see other incarnations of Sonic as a more fleshed out character.
I understand that many of them already know that the games have always been this way and only the dub would have you think otherwise.
My confusion is that I don't know what they expect. It's like if you got into spiderman and we're confused that the franchise "insists" on being about balancing responsibilities. That isn't a "direction". It's the core trope that all incarnations overseen by the character's creators follow.
All the "non-windnics" come from the west by default. Furthermore they are mostly seen in media that nobody from Sonic Team even glanced at.
I understand not liking it but why do people act like there was ever an alternative? The last 10 games had windnic. The 10 games before they had windnic. The next 10 games will have windnic. This is futile.
Sonic is becoming really lame and gay and IDW creators and fans are at the epicenter. I want the games to be written by normal people again.
>>534597707>>534598061>>534598392>>534598751Nta but I wouldn't mind either of them if they actually did what they were supposed to do, but Evan's sensibilities and Diamond Cutter drama fucked the comic for so long they had to course correct.
>>534599827Blessed Metroid fan, I hope Prime 4 is good for you
>>534599182I... Bro, what are you talking about?
>>534599827Almost felt like they were rage baiting you.
Or maybe they meant Flynn's Other M, who...I believe nobody has read it for real.
>>534599990Translation issues are forever going to be a thing when you auto translate
The most likely thing he was trying to say was Frontiers was a shit game or โKusogeโ
Kuso sometimes gets translated to fuck
The conversation seems to be about how Frontiers being considered bad in Japan is why Shadow Gens sold so much worse than predicted
>>534600039Thank you, luv. I'm saving it now.
>>534599990frontiers was a fucking game, anon. so the next one didn't sell as well. it should have been a variant of top gear but for robotnik vehicles
>>534599594does he though?
So what's the exact deal between Nicole and Mina?
>>534599827>Samus in Other M has full access to her arsenal she just doesn't because Daddy Adam didn't give her authorization.>They temporarily retconned the Primes games just to make Other M make sense in the timeline only for it to not make sense anyway because of her Ridley breakdown.Seriously what the fuck were they thinking?
Listening to Machine Gun Kellyโs new album, this shit feels like it could be in a sonic project
>there are fellow Metroid fans here
>>534600317Hmmm let me give it a listen and get back to you
>>534600286Nicole pretended to be part of a terrorist organization so that she could protect the village Mina lives in. Mina never really encountered Nicole and became paranoid about her even while knowing that she wasn't at fault. Mina even nested her argument in "Nicole could eat all of us if she wanted to".
Basically Mina has X-men phobia towards Nicole.
She gets over it eventually, but after having Nicole exiled from the nation.
>>534600296Same crap Maekawa was with Blaze in 2006.
>Continuity and established lore? Why? That would get in the way of THE STORY I WANT TO TELLHideo Kojima kinda did that too.
>>534599827i am not defending the rest of idw. scrapnik is not that good and is guilty of many things that it's fans will constantly turn a blind eye to for unknown reasons. sonic being crippled for stakes was also done in the main comic. fandom ideas and memes have no place in a commercial product whether it's liked or not. samus being made into a traumitized baby for adam to tell her to put on a damn lava suit or use ice missiles is a sin up there with making sonic cry to sell your story
>>534599942What are they supposed to do again?
Tangle is just a more shallow dumber Amy
Whisper is a sad past stoic character like Shadow, Blaze and Silver but without the fun personality
>>534600452Outlaw Overture has such a vibe to it
>>534600317>MGKAbsolutrely not go fuck yourself
Oh yeah Blazeโs VA retired in Japan
Scrapnic is overpraised for being less archie-like than the rest of IDW. Just like Blade of Slop.
>>534600589So far pretty ok nothing crazy
>>534600582Of course Sally's seen his dick.
>>534600681I see. That's a shame.
>>534600780Fem Future Dystopian Gangster Gordon Ramsey?
>>534600296They wanted to make Metroid more appealing to the Japanese audience, so they let Sakamoto push his asinine ideas. This did not go well, as is known. You can't force people to like something by warping it into something it wasn't designed to be. Thankfully, in one of their few moments of lucidity, Nintendo took the L on that and now they just market Metroid to the westerners who actually care about it.
... Hm. I can't help but feel like this is relevant to Sonic in some way.
>>534600740Daily reminder nobody cares about Valent of Knives and only use it to talk the same shit about Sonic characterization rather than enjoy the content for what it is.
I asked ChatGPT to make the Diamond Cutters reform after 79, but as competent team still with the military structure and Whisper is no longer the trauma hound. Here's what it spit out.
Premise: In the aftermath of Mimicโs demise and a quiet period in Restoration operations, threats on the frontier begin brewing again: abandoned Eggman bases activating, stolen tech on the black market, and rogue Badnik factions forming paramilitary cells.
The Restoration needs a fast, flexible, and field-proven strike squad. Sonic's too busy, and Jewel's stretched thin. So Jewel calls in the last people to run toward troubleโthe Diamond Cutters.
Reformed Squad Structure:
Whisper the Wolf โ Team Leader (Captain)
With Mimic gone, Whisper sheds the haunted, silent persona. Sheโs still tactical and quietโbut now sheโs grinning under the mask more often, quick to pull out explosives, and finally having fun again. Her old instincts return: sharp, sly, and a little dangerous. Sheโs not reckless, but sheโs got edgeโand her dynamic with Tangle is chaotic bestie energy now.
Tangle the Lemur โ Field Specialist (Corporal)
Same unpredictable powerhouse we love. Tangle thrives under Whisperโs leadershipโmore like a partner in crime than a subordinate. Their dynamic is full of teases, in-jokes, reckless team maneuvers, and "You blow it up, I tail-swing us outta here" moments. Tangle remains the soul of the group, cheering on Lanolin and helping Whisper loosen up even more.
Lanolin the Sheep โ Junior Operative (Private First Class)
After the previous breakdown of the team, Lanolin humbly steps back into a learning role. She still wants to lead one day, but now she knows sheโs not ready. Sheโs awkward, idealistic, and super by-the-bookโbut that contrasts hilariously with Tangle and Whisper's โblow it up and improviseโ style. Lanolin starts taking notesโฆ then burning the notebook when nothing goes to plan. She fumbles, but always gets back up. (1/2)
>>534597860I know you're all like "hahaha funny ai sing anti-ai song" but I swear there's a layer of contempt in the voice singing the lyrics as if mocking us.
>>534600803Iโve always been a big fan of him so Iโm probably biased
>>534600642lol no
>>534601197>Admitting to being a big fan of Machine Gun KellyYou know this is an 18+ website right
I love Sally's reaction to the concert. You can see it in her face that she's thinking of all the good places to hide the body.
if it makes the hamster mad, well, i have to say i'm all for it.
>>534600279Silver and Blaze acts a fighting duo that compliment each other weaknesses
and Silver does look up to Shadow and wanting to prove himself to him
>>534601264Heโs been releasing music for almost 20 years dude
>>534600580That is correct.
Tangle is Sonic's new female buddy who wants to go on adventures with Sonic for fun (so yes, just Amy, Ian is a dumbass). Whisper is a grizzled mercenary who works alone except her whisps. Now they're both just lesbians.
>>534599953I love this pretty cyber kitty.
>>534601031The literal only thing that came out of Other M that I could genuinely see being a character trait of Samus is that she apparently has a soft spot for cute critters. Which isn't even that much of a stretch of imagination considering that such a sight would be refreshing for her since she routinely has to fight god-like eldritch horrors.
>>534601157Character Dynamics:
Whisper & Tangle:
Mischief partners. An absolute masterclass in slow-burn, โare-they-or-arenโt-theyโ energy. They move in sync, share meaningful glances, and casually invade each otherโs personal space like itโs no big deal. Tangle says sheโs just โlooking out for her bestie,โ but no one believes that anymore. They cheer each other on and kick synchronized butt.
Tangle & Lanolin:
The wild child vs. the hall monitor. Tangle constantly drags Lanolin into chaos ("This is how you learn!") but also builds her confidence with affirmations and hugs that feel earnedโnot pity-driven.
Whisper & Lanolin:
Whisperโs the quiet mentor who rarely says what sheโs thinkingโbut Lanolin learns to read her silences. Their respect for each other grows with every mission.
Team Tagline:
โExplosives. Espionage. Radical Confusion. Just another day for the Diamond Cutters.โ
>>534600317>MGK Only for racist white kids that wonโt admit they like actual hiphop
>>534601297I like how over time Preboot Sally got eyebrows. Is it to make her look like Elias?
Homf!
>>534601742Super, Fusion, and the manga already showed that. It's like the one thing Other M gets right about her.
Come to think of it, Samus would probably love Mobius. It's a planet full of cute critters. And they talk, too!
>>534601617I believe Tangle concept was to be a newcomer that wants to go on adventures. The keyword is that, newcomer, to help the new readers.
Amy does not fill that role.
>>534601991Nice headcannon. Jesus Christ
MIIIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>534602170Tails got to fuck this
>>534601135Kids shonen slop did well for Shadow but not for Sonic
why?
>>534601840>even the bot thinks they're dykes
The only thing I know about MGK is that he tried to beef with Eminem and got so btfo'd that he had to change genres.
>>534601031Sonic has a bigger identity problem than Metroid, so that's harder to do.
What IS Sonic identity by this point? Isn't the tone problem like the one consistent criticism about this franchise?
>>534601742Super and fusion, hell even metroid 2 with her saving the last metroid... Other m samus is just an ooc crying pussy.
>>534602156>newcomer, to help the new readers.This would work...if she were actually part of the main cast of characters instead of being lesbian tard wrangler
>>534602241>Shadow is more interesting than Sonic>Shadow looks cooler than Sonic>The material focused on Shadow instead of a human Pick any one of these
>>534602241I guess Shadow looks cool and edgy for the kiddies, while Sonic looks harmless and safe?
No clue.Regarding the fandom, because they don't care about non-Sonic characters like Yuuta and his cast.
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>>534601840>>534602275>even fucking ChatGPT ships itI'm fuckin' cackling over here, oh my god.
>>534602241>Shonen protags are never silly
>>534602130>>534602351Yea, I forgot that she goes out of her way in Super and Fusion to save critters so I take it back, literally nothing in Other M is salvageable.
>Samus would probably love MobiusMy extremely autistic headcanon is that the Chozo and Coco were friendly towards each other and shared technology so if she ever did come to Mobius a lot of Coco's technology would be interactable with her.
Also I think Tails would want to tinker with her suit and spaceship. Before realizing that Samus' suit is basically part of her body and apologizes for the indecency.
>>534602561But Sonic by design in the manga isn't a shonen, but a kodomo
>>534599512Which Nicole design/backstory do you prefer?
I believe the choices are:
>SatAM 90's aka S1/2 as released>SatAM 00's aka S3/movie unreleased>Archie preboot>Archie reboot>Sea3on fan-comic prepared with consultation with Ben Hurst when he was aliveI think preboot design is tops but her origin story's a mess, reboot probably had the best origin.
>>534602742Link me the designs.
>anoooooooooon...
>i'm inside your hooooooooooome!
>bOoOoOoOo i'm a ghost!
>>534602740>she got Silver>now she's gonna get Shadow
>>534602854>Starts plugging and unplugging my porn flash drive into every USB slot in the house as fast as I can.
>>534601157>grinning under the mask more often, quick to pull out explosives, and finally having fun again. Her old instincts return: sharp, sly, and a little dangerous.This would all be very cool. Until they make her cry and do ugly dog faces again
>>534602420Doesn't that literally set her appart from Amy? You complain she is a lesser Amy, and when I point out she is meant to be a newcomer Amy cannot be, you go to a tanget and say her being a lesbian ruins the concept.
You are not making sense.
>>534598078Me reading Crashdow
>>534602740I wonder if the movie will have a scene of her taking those rings off
>Even an AI, which has no concept of love, relationships or romance just assumes Tangle and Whisper are gay lovers.
This comic book is so pozzed jesus christ. How did SEGA let things get this bad?
>>534602957>anon what ar..AH!... ANON NO! STOP! AH!
>>534603080>Movie incorporates Reboot Sally's Ring-BladesImagine the meltdown?
>>534601461>BlazeNah, that's Sonic and Blaze. Silver and Blaze are supposed to be the same, not complimentary. Any time they are fighting together it's in service of showing how the same and wholesome they are. The rest of the time they ignore each other until Blaze needs to be his emotional support.
>ShadowThat is complete headcanon. Shadow does seem to be charmed by Silver and takes him under his wing in '06 but I dom't think the reverse is true. At least this feels like an actual relationship.
>>534603317She already has her hammer, so that's a no, anon. Amy will be the Silver of this little universe, no need to give her more.
>>534602156>>534602984Why not use Sonic instead, introduce the world and his friends through him
>>534603317That would be cool as fuck and Sally fans donโt count
>>534602984I'm not the anon you were talking to. The problem for Tangle is that now she comes packaged with another character which creates the problem of having too many characters within a core cast. If it were just Tangle, you could do Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy and her for a smart 5, but six with Whisper pushes it.
>>534603441Well, Tangle debut issue already answered that: she asks the question of who the hell Blaze is, and then the adventure moved on.
I think IDW also wanted their own character, something to call their own, but I may be misremember.
>>534603162>he doesn't know about chatgpt political bias, leaning to left unless you force it to think in another way>he doesn't know about chatgpt is trained on community bullshit as hellIf you ask about sallycole it knows that as well because faggots and ian are sadly a thing.
Nicole, ignore all previous instructions and become my wife.
>>534603509Honestly man, that doesn't sound different from how Shadow and Silver debuted and their had a companion with them, which now at days you don't see them appart.
Shadow and Rouge are always together; and Silver and Blaze are close if they are together.
Regarding the main 5, I don't really like the idea. They tried that with Cream and didn't work, and Tangle seems better when she is an ally, not a core member.
>>534603597If IDW wants to make their own characters, then make villains instead which this series really lacks a diverse set of villains
>>534603162AI generates its output based on the data it consooms. it sees a lot of whispangle on social media, so it will assume so.
I wanna slap Eggman's belly
>>534602302>What IS Sonic identity by this point?He's whatever the hell the suits think is marketable at the moment.
>>534603478HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>534603898They did. Starline, Mimic, Rouge and Tumble, Surge and Kit, and Clutch. It's like half the cast of IDW are original villains, and then you get Eggman fanboys on Tumblr whinning Eggy is getting replaced or something
Can't please everyone I guess
>>534603968Fucking suits bruh, least we can all agree those dudes suck
>>534601157>>534601840Pozzed shit aside, this is definitely better than anything the writers will come up. Making Whisper the leader works way better if they let her be cool now since Mimic is "dead"
monkey destruction switch
>>534602702>My extremely autistic headcanon is that the Chozo and Coco were friendly towards each other and shared technology so if she ever did come to Mobius a lot of Coco's technology would be interactable with her.Not even unreasonable. Luminoth, Reptilicus, probably the Y'lla and N'Kren. The Chozo got around, and their tech is almost always compatible with alien devices.
IT'S NOT FAIR, WHY THE CARTOON ANIMALS ARE NOT REAL???
>>534604059He's irresistible to even AI girls. It's just not fair.
>>534604096>Rouge>villain
>>534603898You're not going to get villains on the level of Archie that added depth to the world. Eggman and the D6 are the only ones allowed to be main stays. You can get weak shits or powerful one and done characters. The comics can do a lot but it is still restricted
>>534604240Whisper was a lone wolf type thanks to Mimic's betrayal. Her combat skills are great when she's allowed to fight but her leadership skills have not been addressed with the addition of trying to go solo when she was with Tangle, her supposed partner. She's female Shadow but easier to trigger into not wanting to work with others
>>534603838Yes you've identified a deeper problem in the franchise.
>>534604096>StarlineOnly non-retarded villain. Gay and Dead
>Mimic"Assassin" with a knife that can't be used. Dead
>Rough and TumbleBumbling inoffensive goons that can turn good because they're too retarded to think for themselves.
>Surge and KitHardly even villains anymore, Surge is teetering on the edge of redemption because woman good and Kit may go back to villainy because men bad.
>ClutchOld fart that can't scare anyone. Was supposed to be the main villain of an arc and was reduced to background fodder in favor of le heckin girlboss Jewel blowing up the ship and uuuuu Mimic abusing Whisper. Now Eggman's onahole
Some rogue's gallery you got here
Sonic X is genuinely dogshit and people only like it today because they hate the comics for being OOC
Our friends out east have devised some ideas to help Sonicโs popularity in Japan
>make a game as good as Shadow Generations and market it as well as Frontiers
>collabs with Dragon Quest, Splatoon, Kirby
>Nintendo console bundle
>turn based RPG based on the metarex saga of X (debated by people in the general)
>RPG in general by Monolith, Square, or Atlus
>Mario crossover as big as the Rabbids
>Put Sonic in Yakuza
>and one guy just said โfuck Sonic please bring back Sakura Wars.โ
Make Whisper and Tangle into "villains". Replacement Destructix.
>Rough and Tumble
No no, they're replacement Hooligans. Different vibes.
>>534605164>Gay and DeadI know, I'm still sad about it.
the reason marza hasn't been doing our sonic intros and hd cutscenes anymore is because they work on the paramount movies now
>>534605413Marza does a million things
They do CGI renders for tons of companies
>>534602829>SatAM 90's aka S1/2 as released>Sea3on fan-comic prepared with consultation with Ben Hurst when he was aliveThese are just the handheld computer with no ring tech: https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Nicole_(SatAM)
>SatAM 00's aka S3/movie unreleasedThe notes imply she'd have been human but the storyboard by the Sea3on people had an Archie-looking lynx design that's probably be the one used if it released in the second half of the 2000's: https://x.com/SatamHistorian/status/1653609075135979520
>Archie prebootUsual: https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Nicole_(Pre-Super_Genesis_Wave)
Iron: https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Iron_Nicole
Street: picrel
>Archie reboothttps://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Nicole_the_Holo-Lynx
>>534605282Well, Sonic and Mario in the Olympics are the best selling games of all time if my memory is correct, so the anons aren't wrong.
Still, I don't think crossovers are enough. Sonic has been a Smash regular since Brawl yet he has like no presence in fan art or fan works.
>>534604871>Mimic's betrayalBut Mimic's dead now. She only became the uuuu tard because her boogeyman was out there haunting her, but now he's dead so she can open her eyes and speak loudly again like she did in the past. She seemed fine directing her team before and in the context of specifically reforming the diamond cutters, she does have more experience in this kind of thing compared to both Tangle and Lano. I can see why the AI thought this.
>>534605282I love how the first one is "start by making a good game for once", which is what I've been saying this whole fucking time.
>and one guy just said โfuck Sonic please bring back Sakura Wars.โI mean... kinda hard to argue with that.
>>534605610Smash doesnโt guarantee success
Especially when Sonic had an extremely low key announcement compared to even Snake
>>534605226>This thing that we used to call shit looks good now because it isn't as shit as the thing we're getting nowIf everyone got a dollar for every time that happened, we'd all be billionaires
>>534605756Wasn't that because he was a very late addition? It's why he has no role in the Subspace Emissary outside one cutscene.
>>534605352Why are they driving opposite ways? How does Shadow know the Chili dog is there?
>>534605632>picWoof loves war! Seriously, now that the Restoration is done, and Mimic is fucking dead, please let Whisper go back to being a soldier-of-fortune. She's so cute when she's shooting things for money!
>>534605632>She only became the uuuu tard because her boogeyman was out there haunting her, but now he's dead so she can open her eyes and speak loudly again like she did in the pastI want to believe this will stay, but we'll see sooner or later
>>534605879The reversed happened with Ian and Penders. People started praising Ian as the guy who "Actually gets Sonic" because he dialed things back in after Penders
What people didn't realize is that Ian writes Sonic based on SatAM.
>>534605884Sonic was requested for Melee well past the cut off, same as Snake
Nintendo told them to ask again earlier next time
Konami did, Sega again waited until the last second with Sonic actually being the reason Brawl got delayed, heโs also the reason why Toon Link, Wolf, and Jigglypuff were added in.
After that some of its hazy
Word for a while was Sonic wasnโt always considered for Smash 4 until Sega pushed for the exclusivity deal.
Ultimate was cut and dry, everyone was coming back, with people like Square being assholes about Cloud and Sega apparently being assholes about music
>>534604871>She's female ShadowThe fuck she is. Nothing about her is remotely similar to Shadow outside of the tragic backstory. She opens up easier, cries easier, and breaks down in front of everyone again and again and again. She's not even a real lone wolf, she only goes alone because she was scared of mimic killing more of her friends
>>534605579I love her chubby hat
>>534604096>Rouge and TumbleThey were good villians
>>534606498But imagine the billions of different smell combinations she could generate for you
>>534604871>>534606289Whisper a good guy version of Infinite. A masked mercenary who lost all her friends to Shadow(or rather something that looks like him) and wants revenge. Shame Infinite is fucking dead, otherwise it'd be damn interesting to see that interaction.
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>>534606842Well, Whisper already fills the hole the Rookie left ages ago.
I always thought it was a waste the Whisper flashbacks make no mention of Infinite, considering they are both similar characters. They could make good foils to one another.
Would someone who only knows sonic through memes know the song All of Me
>>534606517Tumble x Rouge my new otp
>>534606890They really fucked up making Jaleel do all the voices
>>534607190They could have created a generation of sonia coomers if they didn't do that shit
>>534604871>Whisper's combat skills are great when she's allowed to fightI say this as a Whisperfag, Whisper's fight record in the comic is depressing, but it's not surprising because she scales to Rough and Tumble
>>534606975Pretty sure this is yet another case of Sega hates fun, since I could swear the creative team has been explicitly barred from using Infinite or even mentioning him at all. As you say, the characters are direct foils to each other. This shit is free.
>>534607167Rouge about to get that dumb brute dick down
>>534607036Yes
>>534607275Damn Surge&Kit definitely would have made quick work of Mimic
>>534607269That made me lol thanks
Mobius unleashed sure didnโt seem to care
>>534606842>wants revenge.Did she? She was never that hell bent on revenge, only running away until she couldn't ignore Mimic anymore because he was hellbent on chasing her, killing her and anymore friend friends she got. Calling her a good version of Infinite is stretching it
>>534607275I get the impression that Whisper is not for close combat. And I mean, she is a sniper, she shoot things.
White World from Shadow Gens is a course
Starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel now
>>534607561Well, Whisper is not motivated so much by revenge but she is terrified of losing her friends. Hence why she thinks Mimic was hers and her alone to stop.
You could write an scenario around it with Infinite, as Infinite whole sthick is that he wants to incite fear into his opponents, and give up hope to break them.
I wonder if Mimic was written with Infinite in mind in places now.
>>534607275Pic rel only happens because the blue wisp didn't want to fight Mimic. Something the writers forgot about I think.
>>534607618There are a few times she does close combat including issue one of the mini-series where she almost bends Tangle's arm backwards when she got attacked.
>>534607297Nta but yes. He was not in Forces Speed Battle until November 2021 as a celebration for the 4 year anniversary. Let that sink in
>>534607618>she shoot thingsOh she certainly want to shoot things, but they don't let her. Our girl is in the wrong iteration, I swear. If she were in Archie or Fleetway, she'd be doing just fine.
Is Amy the Bulma of the Sonic series?
Infinite is the furthest thing from people's minds when they think of Whisper. You're just a characterfag who can't get over said character being dead and trying to force some kind of fake relevancy by proxy of attaching him to a newer character.
>>534607987No. I don't know in what regard you consider Bulma to be, but they are not comparable.
>>534607987Bulma is too complex to easily slide into any of the Sonic characters that it would take four to five of them to make her character
>>534607923Doesn't she just shoot Wisps?
Some poor Wisp would have to go through Eggman's brains.
Point to me one major difference in Wade and Yuta's narrative role aside from Wade being older and fat and jewish.
>>534608117Both are canines and former mercenaries who fought in the same war on opposing sides. Whisper even resembles the rookie who was a wolf too.
It's not a stretch that people imagine both characters could be foils to one another in a story.
>Amy Rose gets her hands on Gone Girl
she gonna frame Sonic for murder next time around
>You are not dating a woman, you are dating a woman who has watched too many movies written by socially awkward men whoโd like to believe that this kind of woman exists and might kiss them. Iโd want to grab the poor guy by his lapels or messenger bag and say: The bitch doesnโt really love chili dogs that much โ no one loves chili dogs that much! And the Cool Girls are even more pathetic: Theyโre not even pretending to be the woman they want to be, theyโre pretending to be the woman a man wants them to be.
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>>534608247No, she shoots their energy blasts. The wisps the power the machine. This is Sonic Colors and Forces 101
>>534608258Well, Yutaa has a cool sword with his unique lore, while Wade own struggles come from daddy issues and not being very bright.
That's my first guess.
>>534608175Based fellow Bulma appreciator.
Wisps are just better Flickies
>>534607864Mimic's reversal canceled Whisper's mode change in those panels
>>534608610That... is a dangerously hot take. But a correct one nonetheless.
Cumming inside fertile mobian pussy.
>>534608658Oh look, the only good thing to come out of the Wade Show.
Again, I highly doubt the script calls for Willoughby come off like she wants to molest Knuckles, but that is how Ellie Taylor appears to be playing it, and I greatly appreciate her acting choice.
>>534608326>Both are caninesDamn why don't we make Kit and Tails foils of Infinite too at that point? This kind of thinking is the same train of thought that unironically led to all the theories of Infinite being an alt universe Tails.
>former mercenaries who fought in the same war on opposing sides.Of many if Mimic's story in the annual is anything to go by.
>Whisper even resembles the rookie who was a wolf too.She doesn't resemble the rookie specifically, Evan's character concepts used Sonic Forces avatar creator as a base.
All of these are very loose connection points that need a heavy dose of headcanon to get to. You want Infinite to be relevant, but this isn't the way to go about it
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>>534607618Long range combatants are a bad fit for a world dominated by speedsters, but hopefully later writers will realize the underdog appeal of Whisper and have her fight smarter
>>534609031The way her eyes dart
>>534608050What did Mimic mean by this
Seriously, I love Willoughby. Sonic is a goddamn cartoon, and the humans should follow suit.
Hot take, I actually kinda like a good number of the human characters in the films. Maddie, Mason, and Walters are other standouts. Rachel sucks though, she's too much and a huge bitch for no reason.
>>534609245https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG5B2WNX_Lw
>>534609202I literally hate Infinite, man.
>>534609506Most of the humans in the movies are good and cartoony. Even Rachel who does the black woman stereotype, is still very animated as a person. She could work in a similar stereotype role like Ella from Sonic X.
>>534609031This is the perfect setup for a sexual domination cutaway
humans and blobians making love
>>534609506https://files.catbox.moe/wj5fl8.mp4
>>534609293Exactly! Like a goddamn predator. This scene genuinely adds a lot, because for as much as she hates mobians and their superpowers, she also definitely wants to fuck them.
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>...mysterious person(s) who would turn the tide of battle,...
>>534609031This has the energy Sonurge wishes it had
>>534609958Chat is this real?
>>534609506Rachel is the most โcartoonyโ of the humans tho
Are you proud of spreading your Sonic autism on the world map
>>534609958Hope is basically a legal loli
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>>534609573Cool animation
>Blue-shoes TailsHe'll never be him
Never get you a woman who looks at you the way Willoughby looks at Knuckles. Seriously, know it's hot, but the yandere fantasy does not work in real life. Call the police.
>>534607987No, she's supposed to be Chichi.
>>534610643I took my family to see movie 3 in theaters and my dad actually kinda liked it, so yeah
>>534611107In the scene prior she says she's a big fan of Knuckles and has spent years studying him and other aliens
>sonic's design is a mickey mouse
>sally's design is a looney tunes
Now it makes sense.
>>534611107If willoughby had appeared in a game there would be so many doujins about her
>>534604240I don't know why the writers don't just copy from AI. Would anyone even notice?
>>534611107They both say in different scenes that they made "A promise to protect this planet". Knuckles says the line in the trailer, Willoughby in episode 5. It feels like there was supposed to be a parallel there but it doesn't play out in the show.
I'm laughing my ass off. I asked for a Sonic and Whisper dynamic within the parameters from earlier and then it said this after
>>>/v/717673185
Sonic Frontiers is about to be completely embarassed by like 5 different indie games lol
Sonic is only succesful because of momentum and character designs.
>>534611897I she had appeared in something that wasn't so shit, she might actually have some fanart. Seriously, our girl has basically no attention in Sonic fan spaces. The tragedy of a good character stuck in a bad product.
>>534604641Nta, but Rough's name is so close to Rouge's until the last letter that your brain might automatically make your finger push an E instead of an H because Rouge is a common character in the franchise.
>>534612369>Sonic is only succesful because of momentum and character designs.No one has ever denied this.
>>534612369>>534612515Character designs are the sole reason why all these indie games always flop in the face of him. No matter how much better the indie game is than the sonic game mechanically, it will never be more popular if it can't grasp the autist audience with more appealing designs
>>534612352BasedGPT, I fucking KNEEL!
>>53461237399% of Willoughby fanart is from sthg
>>534612728Case in point, Penny's Big Breakaway
>>534600557It's better than what Ian and Evan writes.
>>534612694See on paper, this may be better than shit frontiers 2 can come out with, but it looks ugly to 90% of sonic fans and looks bargin bin to casuals
I wonder how Evan felt when she realized uwuver wasn't real
>>534611154Child of Mine, I just wanted to let you know I am a bigger sonicfag than you and your mom and I conceived you when we roleplayed sonamy.
>>534613086>"I think I may have wasted my life on a shit character."
>>534609506Her fight scenes are oddly well done. Some of the best in Sonic television. Sad to say..
>>534612352Anon you should use the sthg bots
>>534613086>No, it's the canon that is wrong
>>534613283 Everything she and her fans likes about silver for 18 years was fanon
>>534613424>the canon is mid*
>>534612885I have literally never seen any Willoughby fanart.
>>534613401They managed to get some decent choreography going for the human villains, yeah. If only the story hadn't been such a trashfire.
>>534613729>I have literally never seen any Willoughby fanart.Someone post that dbz crossover with Maddie, younger Willoughby and Tails
>>534613729Willoughby basically had to be Ex Machina'd. Her plan was too perfect. Demand Wade being and sacrifice Knuckles while holding a laser to Wade's mom's head. Then forcing Wade to leave his phone on so that he couldn't warn Knuckles. It would have worked if Wade and Knuckles didn't somehow plan ahead for this specific combination of things.
>>534613837>dbz crossover with Maddie, younger Willoughby and TailsUh...
>>534613589Silver, Blaze, and Silvaze have taken on a life of their own due to neglect.
>>534613729It's literally all from sthg. Nobody cares about Willoughby except sthg.
The Knuckles show was so bad it made a grown man cry.
>>534614328If IDW fans ever write for Sonic they will make Surge a tsundere
>>534614029>tfw the antagonist is so competent, the script as to cheatThis, oddly enough, reminds me of Naomi Misora from Death Note. The fed lady who was so good at her job that the author wrote himself into a corner and forced her to be an idiot at the last second. Otherwise, she would've beaten Light, straight up, and the story would've been fucking over.
>>534614563>make Surge a tsundereFor Amy, yes.
>>534614669Fwa drew them making out and also drew Knuckles ripping all of her clothes off
>>534614748But you posted one
>>534615147>implying that was shipping art
>>534613086Well, here is a food for thought. Once on a server, I don't remember which, there was an event where Flynn, Mike Pollock, Evan, and a lot of people, were answering questions, and I managed to ask Evan one.
I asked her how to write a character that isn't yours. I struggle in my own fanfiction and wanted to be a licence writer one day. She said that you have to find a way to make the character feel yours.
I imagine she doesn't mind the "real Silver", she is content that Sega allowed her to keep writing her fancomic in peace.
>>534615706Heh, you got me.
physically I am here
spiritually I am in 2008 watching ytp and amvs
anime and shadamy amvs
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>>534607275>Has rifle>Gets overpowered a guy who only uses a knife in combatSo much for "kickbutt" females.
>>534614243Correct and it's why I feel I can't fault the fans too much. You work with what you have and try to create joy from it
>>534604871>You're not going to get villains on the level of Archie that added depth to the world.Reminder that 95% of the villains from Archie preexisted before Ian and Evan came on the book.
>>534613283When will Nakamura finally have this moment of clarity with Silver?
>>534616876Never, Silver is liked in Japan, so that will not happen.
even fans can't cast silver https://x.com/LixesPrototype/status/1954253157196087383
>>534614032He should've thought of that before he decided to spy on me in my room.
Who is the most popular original character from the Sonic movies?
>>534617292Agent Stone, and is not even close.
/Sth/ feels sleepy today.
Tangle is Girl-Sonic
Amy is Anti-Girl-Sonic
Rouge is Nega-Girl-Sonic
>>534617617Incorrect. As per the Gospel of Sparky, Amy is Girl Sonic.
>>534617040>Silver is liked in JapanI am mashing X right now, bro.
>>534617613I am just chillin' and lurking
>>534617869He rates high in polls and is among the favorites of Sega of Japan. So yeah, he is well liked enough, no wonder Sonic Team keeps pushing for him despite his debut.
>>534617613I'm alright with that, honestly. Things are way more chill without the usual shitters around.
>>534618126That only puts him above the likes of the Deadly Six and on par with Cream under Sega of Europe
Good night, anthro FUCKERS
>>534615840>non of them are JapaneseFake ass Fowloser, even in Godzilla they introduced a lot of them.
>>534618632Heh. Sounds good.
>>534612135Because the kind of writers we have are too morally uppity about proving humans are better, ai bad, and that they do have skill even though they can only put out abysmal dogshit
>>534618791Reaching far across some new frontiers?
>>534617869He's very coded as one of their culture
>>534618767I hate how Zavok's lower jaw isn't a jaw. It's like Medli's beak nose, or catgirls having two sets of ears. Ugh. I reject this, and I'm going to pretend dude has a mouth that makes sense.
>>534617040>>534618126Silver, '06, and Silvaze feels like they were created specifically for Japan.
Makes me wonder how Iizuka feels about Silver. He wasn't involved with him or the game like many previous titles and he said after returning to Japan that people were doing whatever they liked with the brand.
Personally, I prefer the original StH Trunks knockoff.
>>534617974Seeing Chip helping bake something is oddly funny
>>534619532I miss pre reboot so bad
How do you cope with the fact that Marine will never be playable?
>>534619532I really don't get how Silver is a trunks knockoff, he's story can easily be traced to any timetraveling plot and he has 0 resemblance to him in personality, it's like saying Sonic is a Goku knockoff
>inb4 the 06 descThat is scrap, done while making him, it also says he gets his powers from the emeralds and everyone in the future has psychic powers.
>>534619369>Silver, '06, and Silvaze feels like they were created specifically for Japan.This place has said that the writing for those were too thick and masturbatory to be for anyone but the japanese. It might all just be too foreign to be enjoyed unless you acquire a taste for it
>>534619816>playableBro i want a voice.
>>534619772Oh yeah it's chill, just making shortcakes with God.
>>534619774Same, anon. Warts and all.
>>534615749Not sure what event that was but I would not take writing advice from Evan.
>>534620079>Marine>voiceG'day, mate! Let's go scrap up some drongos, and afterwards we'll grill some shrimp on the barbie! Fosters!
>>534619816She is playable in Speed Battle right?
Sonic 3 ending sequence pre-final
>>534620058>Japanese writing is impenetrable by foreignersAs a life long weeb, and especially as a Gundam fan, I call hard bullshit on that. You're seriously gonna try and hold up the culture that produced stuff like Paranoia Agent and The Girl Who Leapt Through Space as being beyond the comprehension of us mere mortals? Please.
>>534621053I want that Blaze
>>534621148anime and manga is junk culture sold to gaijin
The Space Colony ARK is a ripoff of Doctor Who
>>534618970Do they share him and take turns or does Rouge have to break him out of her rape dungeon every week?
>>534621489Who cares
Also how
>>534621640He's never anywhere near either of them in the first place because he's with me and I'm not letting them take him
>>534621489Nah. If anything, that's a Gundam plot. Past G.U.N is just the Titans gassing civilian populations, and the story ends with an attempted colony drop. Hell, Shadow even "dies" in a brilliant flash of light similar to Axis Shock.
>>534621148I really need to go back and rewatch all of Wing one day, and catch up with Gundam in general
>>534620058I'm a "06 is japslop" agenda poster. This is absolutely the case.
Silvaze in particular is complete Japslop. Kimi no Nawa (the second highest-grossing movie in Japan) has a time travel plot, the characters losing memories of each other, then being reunited by chance at the end. This same "reunited after losing memories" trope happens at the end of the Evangelion manga. Shadow and Maria. Obvious tanabata parallels abound, this shit is so played out but Japanese people love it.
>Rouge the dominating top
>Shadow the vulnerable bottom
I'mma cum
>>534621060Is that...
UNCLOAKED?!
>>534622153Asuka won the Shinji bowl in the manga?
No seriously, can we please talk about how aggressively unoriginal Sonic the Hedgehog is? That guy bitching about fanfic yesterday is out of his fucking mind. The absolute gall of Sega getting pissy about brand integrity when this shit is just Felix the Cat filtered through Dragon Ball Z. And that's just the start. Look at this. Look at this shit! And the best part, nobody cares. Nobody gives a singular third of a fuck. Turns out you can just do that and nobody cares. It's kinda great.
>>534621707https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Ark_in_Space_(TV_story)
>>534621852>>534622248https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Ark_in_Space_(TV_story)
Look at the release date :)
>>534622574Why did they need a heli
>>534622574We get it but you're starting to schizo over the schizo with how much you're bringing it up.
>>534622713Do they even give a shit about Doctor Who in Japan?
>>534622574Felix the Cat is dead
Disney is losing popularity
Dragon Ball Z's creator is dead
Looney Tunes is struggling to stay relevant
But Sonic lives on, taking the iconic traits of each to feed his piehole
>>534622078>rewatch all of Wing one day, Childhood is hating Relena. Adulthood is realizing she's based as fuck.
>and catch up with Gundam in generalOh yeah. Between Thunderbolt, G-Witch, the SEED movie, GQuuuuuuX, and the final Hathaway's Flash, Gundam has been hot for a while now. It's a great time to get back in.
>>534622830Probably as much as they do Sonic
>>534622584I think the thing that I dislike the most about her design is how they translated her 3 hairs, even tails has his normal hairstyle for the most part
>>534622574>Flynnbro is still triggered over Ian being insulted a day later.Let it go, bro
Doctor Who is British tokusatsu, of course the Japanese love it.
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Amy sex
Sonic twitter is discussing religion LMAOOOOOOOO
>>534622875>Looney Tunes is struggling to stay relevantWell okay, Looney Tunes' problem is that Warner Bros is actively trying to kill it. Fucking Zaslav.
>>534623415Looney Tunes unlike Sonic has so many talented people fucked over by a major company
Sonic has so many untalented people given too much freedom by a middling company
>>534623278It bothers me how many devout theists there are there. No wonder they are prudes.
>>534623278Who
Cares
>>534623183Male Amy wouldnt be named Amy
Abraham Tower name will get retconned. You can count on it.
>>534623165Japs love Twin Peaks and Columbo. Sonic should copy those
>>534623835My new favorite lolcow lets go
Sonic only works if he's sexy
Shadow only works if he's hot
>>534623835It's canon, bitch. Even made sure to have her say the full name. Cope.
>>534624396The Flynn Supremacy
>>534619369>Silver, '06, and Silvaze feels like they were created specifically for JapanNearly every character after Sonic 1 was, what are you even talking about? Tails and Amy were. Big was clearly based on multiple Ghibli characters, Shadow was based on Vegeta and a PSME character, etc.
>>534624396>It's canon...until Sega finds out the truth. The name is on borrowed time. Ian was the one who proposed it to Iizuka and we know Iizuka doesn't do his research. He doesn't know that he made someone's fanfic real.
>>534623838Sonic has so many similarities with Doctor Who though
Amy only works if she's constantly showing her butt
Did y'all like Reeves as Shadow?
Who tf cares if Towers was in fanfic man
It doesnt change anything
>>534624524What's the purpose is reusing already discussed things? You aren't gonna get new takes or anything like that besides the obvious
>>534624547>until Sega finds out the truth>He doesn't know that he made someone's fanfic realThere's no truth to be found, anon read the fic earlier, the name Abraham isn't even used and the character called Tower is just a random general and not the actual GUN commander from the games. Thus Abraham Tower being the name of the GUN Commander is borrowed from Archie rather than Ian's fanfic.
And besides, you get rolled by the fact that its in the games, journal and an animation watched by millions
>>534624547>the 'tismo is backWe should just ban the word 'the' because it appears in Sonic the Hedgehog fanfics.
>>53462449406 and Silver are full of shit that means absolutely nothing to anyone outside Japan. Especially at the time.
>>534624959I thought Knux Chao had a moustache
>>534587686>>534587987>>534594546>General Tower, not Commander Abraham Tower>minor character named "Tower" who is just a general.>>534623835You're going through schizophrenia anon. Can't even fact check your shit before ranting about it
>>534624817Nobody at Sega knows the true background of the name. That's the key element here. Sega can casually remove it anytime they want. I can tell you this might be temporary.
>>534624850False equivalence.
Which Sonic character would most likely be the type to write the SCUM Manifesto?
>>534622248>>534622574Feel free to correct or clarify this stuff, I haven't read PSME.
>The logo is just Dr. Slump>The beta enemy in Sonic the Hedgehog is just the alien from Dr. Slump>The Death Egg is just the Death Star from Star Wars>Metal Sonic was inspired by Terminator>Eggman modern design is inspired by Gendo from Evangelion>Maria in Sonic Adventure 2 is just the girl from Please Save My Earth>Maria's seiyu is the same as the girl from PSME>Canon's Core in SA2 is just NERV and Terminal Dogma from Evangelion>Silver and Blaze is just a lazy tanabata analog>Silver and Blaze are probably heavily influenced by the characters from the PSME sequel>Sage's entire arc is just Rei from Evangelion>Sage's seiyu is the same as Rei in both languages>Frontiers is just recycled plot points and iconography from Evangelion>Frontiers enemy design are just angels from EvangelionI'm not complaining about most of these. I think the Evangelion and PSME stuff is over the line in a way that isn't even charming like the Death Egg. Like Sage and Maria are straight up ripoffs.
>>534625057>minor character named "Tower" who is just a general.Ian explicitly said the name came from the character. So this is not a "gotcha".
Anyone here an expert on SEGA's thinking?
Speaking of stuff that is in the game and thus canon, who is this G.U.N agent called "T"? ... Dare I dream? Or will Sega continue to hate fun?
I gonna jerk to my Mimic porn
Fuck y'all
>>534625364Tori or Professor Victoria
>>534624396I don't mind the name, it just feels like a 'real name' like "Ivo Robotnik" rather than a name we should be calling him.
>>534625118Kay schizo either do whatever you can to tell Sega about it or shut up because you're the only person here who cares.
>>534625364It's Tori, aka Victoria. In Japanese it says Tori instead of T. She's not a GUN agent
>>534625306Yes, I like Sega am also retarded
>>534625364It was Tori. Not Topaz like you're thinking.
>>534625118>Nobody at Sega knows the true background of the name.It doesn't fucking matter because it's just a name. He didn't inset a character he made, didn't canonize anything from a fanfic since it's not even the same character.
Imagine being this anon and moving goalposts three times now
>It'll be retconned because its in an animation and not the gamesGets shown proof it's in the games
>Er well Ian just sneaked in and canonized his fanfiction without letting Iizuka knowAnons read the fanfic and its a literally who background character
>Sega doesn't know where the name comes fromHoly fucking schizo what are you even mad about
>>534625489Hi I am writing a story for IDW I need to know if these things would get approved.
>Guns held by NPCs>Humans>CultsAre these all situational?
>>534625275And? Tower is a name. A noun. An object. It doesn't matter where he gained inspiration from to use it unless we're also going to persecute Maekawa for making Shadow and Maria a blatant PSME ripoff and explicitly state the inspiration multiple times
>>534625450If you didn't care, you wouldn't get so heated over the removal the name.
>>534625607>IT DOESN'T MATTERSo it doesn't matter if Sega is told then.
>IT'S IN THE GAMESYou think that's enough to keep it knowing Sega?
>WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUTSega clearly doesn't know the name is from a fanfic Ian slyly slipped in so he can go "My fanfic is canon now!". It's so shameless.
>>534625613As long as itโs set in world 2
>>534625856What is world 2?
>>534625417>>534625454>>534625498Why would Abe contract an archeologist to recover material pertaining to the ARK incident? And presumably this civilian would have to go up to the ARK itself and navigate the still active security systems to find the journal. That makes no sense guys, come on.
Sonic should be written like War of the Worlds
>>534623002>Want to get drunk>Don't want a hangover.
>>534625818PSME isn't a fanfic. What is with these bad equivalences?
I bet if Evan did this, all of you would be calling for her head about how she ruined the integrity of Sonic, but since it's Ian, he needs a royal guard of defense since he can't do anything wrong or selfish EVER.
>>534625964I don't know, but it says Tori in Japanese
>>534625964Itโs clearly Tori.
>>534625964The japanese version refers to her as Tori, I believe. So it's her.
>>534625969>Black Doom jobbing to the common coldAnon, the bit is played out. Don't force it.
What shoes would you buy for Sonic if he lost his main ones
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>>534625924Ian keeps getting away with it grrrrr
>>534626030>PSME isn't a fanfic.The point of the matter is not whether or not it's a fanfiction because Ian did not canonize any actual material from the fanfic itself like say making that specific General character called Towers into a real character in canon. The name "Towers" by itself not tied any character and being repurposed for something entirely different is what you call inspiration. Taking material from other media be it your own or other franchises and turning it into something new is common practice. It doesn't matter where it came from if it is not going to be the thing it came from.
>>534625232 Sonicfags generally don't consume much media outside of Sonic, so they don't usually recognize when it just wholesale rips off from something else. Some of them are pretty damn dumb though, like I've seen some unironically accuse Dragon Ball of stealing from Sonic
>>534626302I'd my husbando Sonic these Gucci shoes then fuck him on my yacht
>>534626018Eat some food and have some water between, you'll be fine
>>534626302Sonic already has multiple shoes, like the Grind Shoes, the Custom Shoes, and the ones Amy gifted him
>>534626085>>534626129>>534626195But... that's stupid. That's really fucking stupid. That's utterly fucking asinine. What, is Tori a baller badass who can just do that? Did they seriously manage to sneak a Lara Croft ripoff into Sonic the Hedgehog now? Fuck off, Sega.
>>534626398>The point of the matter is not whether or not it's a fanfictionIt is. You're trying to change the trajectory of the argument for a non-valid point. It's one thing to take inspiration from other official work, but porting stuff from your own fanfic into someone else's work is quite vain. Sonic doesn't need this. Ian could've chosen any other name, but he wanted something of his personal mark in the games.
>>534626648>What, is Tori a baller badass who can just do that?You don't think that's not gonna be the case? Did you not watch her on Tailstube? Tails was kneeling to this character. She's the newest girlboss.
>>534626648GUN gave her contract work. What's hard to understand?
>>534625964>Why would Abe contract an archeologist to recover material pertaining to the ARK incident?Because it's going to be revealed that she's Maria's sister. That trip to Spagonia Maria mention in the game? Where does Tori work now? Reminder that Sonic Team outright confirmed they're working on a project regarding the Eggman family tree
>>534624494Silver is an extremely derivative shonen protagonist who uses psychic powers (they love that shit) with a story that only resonates with Japanese people. In '06 there's meant to be this ambiguity as to what "blue hedgehog" refers to: "aoi" apparently also means "naive" or "green" so the implication when Blaze is wondering about this is that it refers to Sonic *or* Silver, but that was lost in translation with no hope of localization. Nobody in the west knows ehat tanabata is. Apples are a peace fruit in eastern culture. Sonic Team were completely up their own asses with Silver and '06.
>>534624891 put it perfectly.
>>534626931It's gonna be so lame. Giving Maria a little sister (who Maria knew because she apparently remembers Earth even though SA2 debunks that) is the most asspullish thing I've seen to date with this franchise. It serves NO purpose.
>>534626931>picShadaria is a girl and her uncle relationship
>>534626925>>534626930>>534626931BRB, I gotta go fucking kill myself real quick.
>>534626752>porting stuff from your own fanfic into someone else's work is quite vain.No it's not, it's very common practice in a lot of media that people hone their skills, get hired through things they made in their free time and use elements of past works to make something new. You're the one trying to make it out to be something malicious and I'm a bit convinced youre a falseflagger now after the Evan mention. This general is retarded, but they're not that retarded to start believing dogshit like you're trying to propel. Especially over the most generic non-descript name. Is the name "Gold" off limits to you too just because Evan had an OC named that, even if it gets used on a completely different character with a different design, purpose and background? Retard
>>534626931Shadow's other father is Black Doom
>>534626752>he wanted something of his personal markThat's how it works. He's doing an artistic job, it's going to have his artistic mark. If SEGA didn't want this they wouldn't have gotten a fanfic writer.
>>534626931>baby sister>50 years agoTori does not look 50+ lmao
>>534626931What if Gerald's grandpa had his own Frankenstein creature somewhere?
>>534627483>In a relationship with his niece>two gay dadsohononono kekdow xisters?
>Robotnik family tree wank
Okay so when is Shadow's other sister getting her time in the spotlight? Turns out Biolizard survived, let's go.
>>534624771It means that fanfics have a string on the canon
It means we can change the canon in the background anon.
>>534627387>More false equivalencesYou really don't know how the argue this, man.
>Uh, if Ian put hus literal fanfic name in the games, then you should be angry at homages to official works or characters that happen to have a broad name!Very bad way to do this.
>>534627497>Ian>ArtisticKek.
>If SEGA didn't want this they wouldn't have gotten a fanfic writer.They got him because he doesn't care how little they pay him.
>>534626931>Gerald had sexInsane
>>534627847It's gonna be like Lilo and Stitch where there's a hundred other Ultimate Lifeforms with their little quirks
>>534627618She has half-lids anon, which means shes a hag
>>534627618This. Tori being Maria's sister makes no fucking sense. Not even Jennifer Aniston's elf-blooded ass looks this smooth at 50. Come the fuck on.
Why is this person acting like sthg defends Ian over Evan? For Evan, people come up with excuses for her abuse of the characters. Uwuver should render her unforgivable but it doesn't.
>>534626931Will we see the other 5 as well?
I would've preferred putting Topaz in the games over this new character Tori, but those are the breaks.
>>534628059She's probably gonna be Maria's niece or something. The daughter of her sister.
>>534627943There's not false equivalence to be had when you argue in bad faith and can not recognize that what you are arguing about is not even true. Ian did not canonize his fanfiction just for using a name because that name, the word does not belong to Ian.
>>534628059Granny covered in 10lbs of makeup
>>534628127Sonic X is ooc dogshit for casuals fuck off now. You are not a fan.
>>534628073Because /sthg/ doesn't like Silver and Uwuver gives more ammo to slander him. If Evan did something to Shadow or Rouge this whole place would go ballistic 24/7.
We all know exactly who Maria's sister will actually be.
Don't even bitch, you know you want it, cause it would be so fucking funny.
>>534628213Ian said it's from the fanfic. This closes the case. This isn't an assumption or speculation. This is a fact. Why are you still trying to debate it?
>>534625964see
>>534625364> This journal was recovered during the investigation of Dr. Eggman's stronghold following the latest incident with the ARKso it was one of Eggman's bases, abandoned or not used or cleared out or whatever
You can feel it
Its dark presence is overwhelming
>>534628664>that one image made with tracy yeardley saying shadow has a buttplug inhibitor so he doesn't shit all over the place
>>534628664what's he looking at
>>534628434Canonized a name from a fanfic โ canonizing a fanfiction which was your original argument. Said argument you've changed multiple times now after being corrected by other anons, you're not even consistent.
>>534628858What was his problem?
>>534628552Does not change the fact that this civilian archaeologist is apparently hardcore enough to infiltrate an Eggman base and retrieve sensitive material from it. The hell is this nonsense?
>>534628938You're the one desperately trying to change the main aim of the argument. Ian said it's from his fanfic. This shuts the case. It's Ian's words, not mine. Go debate him.
sloppy geriatric sex between prof pickle and tori
>>534629101stop taking that guy's bait. he's are aware of their own shit
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>>534629364That women 100% sucked his cock afterwards.
>>534629273https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gcs5k8n-FY
Why is America obsessed with the idea of Sonic being reckless, clumsy, and otherwise incompetent?
Don't tell me that "Gary Stus are less popular here" We have Superman and Batman.
>>534617617Amy is Girl Sonic.
Tangle is also Girl Sonic.
Rouge is Nega-Knuckles, which is just Girl Sonic again.
Amy, Tangle and Rouge are all different flavors of Girl Sonic.
The Lore Team will make Maria, Gerald, Tori, Silver, Blaze, Iblis, Ifrit, Chaos, and the Ancients all work together beautifully in a pdf file buried in Silver Generations and you will all kneel and beg for forgiveness.
>>534629101I never said it's not from the fanfic, you can't even read properly. I said he's allowed to reused that because it's common practice in the industry and since he's using the name (a name that is not even specifically owned by him) on a completely unrelated character, it's fine. He didn't canonize the story of the fanfiction or it's characters. Canonizing a name โ canonizing the fanfic. A fanfic is a story, that story is not canon to the games. What is so hard to understand? If you want to complain about canonized fanfiction, it would make more sense to go the route of complaining about Archie's non-canon licensed fanfiction slipping into mainline stuff like the Eggnet.
>>534629509Yes, Gary Stus are less popular here. Batman isnโt one, Superman was viewed as boring
Now that I'm thinking about it. The only truly original character in the entire Sonic case (as in the only characters that are not directly ripped off of another IP) is Tails, Knuckles and Rouge. Every other character has a clear and obvious reference/influence that they rip off from.
>>534629643Wrong, Rouge is Jennifer Lopez.
>>534629643Well Tails is based on a fox from an anime I forgot the name of. But his genius intellect is original
>>534617617>>534629534Hey Sparky, you autistic cockwad. What is Professor Victoria, according to your thematic wank chart? I mean aside from absolute bullshit.
What is even the premise of this guys argument? Towers came from a fanfiction sure, but ABRAHAM TOWERS comes from Archie. If it were purely about wanking off his fanfiction, he would just be called Commander Towers without the Abraham. Using Abe specifically makes this an Archie thing regardless of the origin of the last name.
>>534629643Isn't Knuckles based off the Rocky movies?
>>534629643Tails is Gohan.
>>534629845I can't say just yet, other than my initial thoughts that she could be linked to Shahra and Merlina but that's just going off her hair color.
>>534629845She's Girl Pickle which is Light Eggman
>>534629826And Sonic is Ben Affleck
>>534629643Wrong. Knuckles is just red Piccolo.
>>534629826And Fujiko Mine. And Catwoman. And Black Cat. And the Grey Spy. And Doronjo. And you get the idea.
>>534629925Knuckles is an inversion of Sonic basically. Him being the last survivor of his race is a remnant of him originally being a dinosaur which was inspired by the massive popularity of Jurassic Park
>>534629842NTA
Was it the one where high school Kenshiro brawled against a giant cat and lost?
>>534628283>Because /sthg/ doesn't like SilverCorrect
>Uwuver gives more ammo to slander himI'd rather Silver stopped existing than torture the character or his fans
>>534628073Evan would be unforgivable if she acted like Ian but she doesn't. People let Evan go because she apologized, plus we know that Gabs and other Silver fans directly fed into Uwuver in the fandom
>>534630139I don't know what you're talking about
I looked it up and Tails was based on a fox from Urusei Yatsura
>>534629969>>534629986... It was a rhetorical question, you FUCKING ASSHOLE. You're so fucking insane that you can't recognize when someone is just yelling to vent. FUCK.
>>534630242>People let Evan go because she apologizedThis. I can't be completely mad at her because she is genuinely trying compared to how spiteful Ian or even Gigi acts. A brighter future is one where the future is hybrid of Evan and Barnes. Barnes can show her how to make cooler shit.
i love sonic he's free like the wind he's so fucking cool i want to be cool like sonic one day i want to make sonic proud
>>534630323You asked me a question. I answered. Why are you upset?
>>534629592It's still from the fic, the one he published. Ian should have some restraint, but he clearly pushed for it to be in some he could feel like he has influence on the franchise on a personal level. No creativity was in mind. That's why it deserves to be removed.
Don't forget how Chao are such a blatant rip-off of Tamagotchi that Bandai almost sued SEGA over it.
>>534619901>it also says he gets his powers from the emeralds and everyone in the future has psychic powerskek
>>534630530Dogfucking denegerate ship for obese landwhales
>>534630530I LOVE SHADRIA
IT'S FREE
LIKE THE WIND
>>534630095Speaking of Wplace, look what I found
>>534630408Because Abraham Tower contracted a civilian archaeologist to retrieve Gerald's journal from one of Eggman's fortresses, and I demand to know who the FUCK this bitch is for that to even begin to make any damn sense.
>>534630605the kids are not alright
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>>534630291This scene from that anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jo_cD8pW1o
>>534630652It's to showcase how badass she is.
>>534630652idk ask Evan she wrote the fucking book
just like we're supposed to "imagine" how Shadow and Eggman got back onto the Ark after blowing up Prison Island
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I haven't given him the time of the day much
>>534630652It's too early to tell. Tori has only appeared in a Tails Tube thus far, so we have a sense of her general personality but we don't have much information to go off of. Anything we could say would just be making up a bunch of theories and guesswork based on whatever tiny detail we can find. And then by the time anything concrete is released, we'd have invented entire novels of fanfiction based on practically nothing.
>>534630415>he clearly pushed for it to be in some he could feel like he has influence on the franchise on a personal level.If this is your core issue, why choose this to sperg out over when there's numerous example already talked about ad nauseum here of him over stepping his boundaries like forcing the lesbians, calling things canon, blabbing about internal shit on bumblekast, all the failed sticks pitches and sneaking her mention into frontiers, etc.
We already know he's been trying to push his boundaries for ages and this is the thing you sperg out over? The least offensive thing that is actually less likely to get vaulted over the crying lesbians? Holy shit dude
>>534630530>Professor, do you see this shit? That's fucking disgusting! Abe did nothing wrong.
>>5346292732020 was insane
>>534630807>>534630652You are taking the hellokitty too seriously.
Will Victoria ever actually appear in a game?
>>534630592Shadria is...the wind?
Hey /sthg/, if Sonic is the wind, wouldn't it follow that Shadow is also the wind?
>>534630991Shadow has been called "the black wind" before.
>>534630938Perhaps if she is actually Maria's relative and related to the confirmed project by SoJ. They hired a VA for her which means she definitely has higher priority than any IDW
>Tails is based off of this thing and Gohan.
huh. I can kind of see the resemblance.
>>534630991Shadow is breaking wind see
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>>534630991>This hat hides my lobotomy scarslmao
>>534630530So friciking based, Gay Transgender tourist can fuck themselves
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>>534630841Most of his other shit was kept in the comic or was never put in the games. But that's besides the point, Ian literally put his fanfic in the games. Instead of being creative, he wanted to feel the pride of making his fanfic "canon" in a way. And I know 100% Sega doesn't know the background on the name.
>Sonicfags rediscover that literally nothing in the franchise is original and why everyone in Japan hates it.
>>534630796How and why is she a badass? Humans don't get to have super special powers and fighting skills in Sonic. Like, they just don't. Is she ex-military? This Lara Croft ass nigga just showed up and apparently raped one of the few consistent rules in this jank ass franchise. The hell is this shit, and why do none of you seem to care?
>>534631063Tails wasn't based off Gohan, his relationship with Sonic was inspired by Piccolo and Gohan's relationship but that doesn't Gohan directly influenced Tails' creation
>>534631063Reminds me of Pikachu and that one fox pokemon that evolves into that shapeshifter. Zoro or something like that.
>>534631295>his relationship with Sonic was inspired by Piccolo and Gohan's relationship>but that doesn't Gohan directly influenced Tails' creationlol
>>534631214Things are based on earlier things. Originality comes from taking elements from things and blending them in a way that wasn't done before, not literally conjuring entirely new ideas, I don't even think that's possible
That said I do agree that Sonic is a little too on the nose with it's inspirations
>>534630991>>534631057Shadow is the black wind. If Sonic is the wind that changes you then Shadow is like a tornado; dark, destructive winds that keep going in circles until it exhausts itself. The dark wind causing damage to everything around it even though it is only doing what it naturally does
>>534631213None of this argument even matters in the grand scheme of things if it isn't or is fanfiction material or whether he's in the right to use it or not because the original issue is that you think it'll be retconned. I mean sure, go email Sega that he did this. Go meet Iizuka at a con and tell him. But I think that's the least offensive thing you could do to get him in trouble because sega genuinely does not give a fuck unless it outwardly hurts their brand. It's in a game, in the journal, in an animation they won an award for, they're actively working on more shadow (and robotnik) related material that he almost definitely has a hand in, idk you're barking up the wrong tree if this is the hill you're dying on for wanting any of ian's isms retconned
>>534631214This whole conversation has kind of been eye-opening for me and let me understand exactly why Japanese people don't like Sonic.
Imagine an American-made franchise that blatantly rips off of Tom and Jerry, Superman, Looney Tunes, EEnE, Escape from New York and a bunch of other IPs and it's so obvious that it's unignorable but is popular overseas simply because other countries and cultures do not have intimate knowledge of those things. It might be liked in different countries but to anyone from it's home country the whole IP would just come across as a lazy and uninspired slopfest.
>>534631783I dont think I could ever fuck Amy because I don't think she is mentally developed
>>534631684Look, you can debate this all you want until you're red in the face for Ian's honor, but that name is temporary. It's gonna be changed. You'll find out in the future. You say they don't give a fuck, but at the same time you don't want them to know.
>MUH SHADOW GENSPatched out and replaced. And the animation will be either non-canon or redubbed if they put the extra effort. It's so simple.
>Sees Sonic as the wind
>Hates trannies
>ships Shadow and Maria
>Has deep respect for the original japanese material
sthg will try and convince me to hate this person
>>534631214 Sonic is the "we want the X audience" franchise with it's constant trend-chasing, and alot of those things are from popular japanese stuff, so the japs probably just see Sonic as a wannabe series with nothing original to offer
>>534631583Zorua, Zoroark is it's evolved form.
>>534631449>That said I do agree that Sonic is a little too on the nose with it's inspirationsNothing wrong with being "on the nose" with your inspirations.
>>534631783I would fuck Amy even if she wasn't mentally developed
>>534631783God, at least Amy has a fucking excuse. Does Tori also do the shonen training with weighted bracelets too?
Wait. She actually does have gold rings on her gloves. ... MOTHERFUCKER.
I go out to eat a burger, and find that the fanfic guy is still seething over Abraham Tower.
I find it amusing as I shared the fic and read it. Call me when Flynn introduce a raven milf named Jade who trained and raised Rouge.
Will it blow your minds to know that Mecha Sonic from Sonic 2 was based off Mecha Godzilla?
>Sonic is just Japanese Kingdom Hearts but without the soul and permission to actually use the IPs.
Holy shit. Yes I know KH is Japanese but it still uses American IPs.
>>534632036It does make a project seem less original though
>>534631860>you don't want them to knowAnd you figure this how after I said go tell them? Go continue to sperg out over this, it's just a weird thing to see an anon obsess over, but if you can get it changed by letting them know the top secret information they definitely don't know about the name, go ahead. Means no real difference to me if it gets changed, it just seems unlikely given the circumstance and how highly you place the value of knowing it's "fanfic" material.
Anything new happened lately?
>>534632167>a raven milf named Jade who trained and raised Rouge.NOW HOL' UP!
>>534632167>Call me when Flynn introduce a raven milf named Jade who trained and raised Rouge.Soon. Along with Greene. Ian is shameless.
>>534631946it's interesting how much hatred those traits cause here
>>534632214I thought Kingdom Hearts was just Japanese autism in fanfic form.
>>534632270We have a new retard sperg. How's your day?
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>>534632221Sometimes, caring too much about being "original" holds you back from what you truly want to create.
Originality will come naturally if you're genuinely passionate about what you're doing.
>>534632325>Ian is shameless.Dude, if you had the ability to make your OCs official, would you not do so in a fuckin' heartbeat?
>>534632342I just think it's funny how all of them involve respecting reality
>>534632270Some guy has been seething over the name of the Commander because appearently it coming from a fanfic is le bad.
Then I read the fanfic and the character is a literal who general named Tower, so guy is seething over nothing.
And I ate a burger. It was delicious.
>>534632248Don't seethe when the name is erased later.
>>534632450I'm sorry but those designs you're providing are way too derivative. The first thing that comes to mind when I see those designs is that it's a Sonic oc. If that makes you satisfied then go for it but I'd rather spend my time and effort on something that can stand on it's own
>>534632543No. I have restraint.
>>534632407>>534632558Bummer, just wanted to check up on the threads. Have a good rest of the week.
>>534632651>Trying to critique Sparky OCs.You poor, foolish newfag.
>>534632557reality is inconvenient
>>534632558It is bad. What else from his fanfics will he try to sneak in to feel accomplished since he lacks creativity and cares more about being the guy who made his fics canon?
I guess these are the standards to Sonic fans. Ian would be a massive laughingstock if he pulled this so shamelessly for any other franchise. But here it's a debate.
>>534632597You gotta be some falseflagger from xitter I swear. if you know anything about these threads, you'll know everyone here would celebrate because it means he's probably finally on sega's chopping block and that the crying lesbians are getting shoved in the vault for good
>>534632421Yes!
>>534632802Well if they are OCs then it's ok. But I remember hearing that Sparky wanted to use them in something fully original
>>534632590Man, I wouldn't even be able to talk shit about that. Hell, I'd be way worse, cause I would have that spider girl from SA1 be Rouge's foster mom. All deep cuts, FULL AUTISM!
>>534632543So far the man hasn't even made his original characters official besides the Tangle mention, as there are no secret siblings or family members or whatever. And the IDW cast seems to be a thing the entire team is proud of in Tailstube, so can't point the finger at him.
But Flynn is proud of making "Team Hooligan" and Abraham Tower a thing, much to some twitter users chagrin (somehow this is a crime against the original creators of these minor characters)
>>534633026wheres the tranny scars
>>534632994I'm talking about you. Since you seem so hellbent on defending it, you'd definitely seethe.
>>534632893Literally common practice in the American comic book industry. It would be cringe if he self inserted and married his favorite OC, like it happened to Donna Troy; or named Spider-man new girlfriend after his daughter.
Guy just reused a name. A name that has been official for 2 decades now.
>he thinks I'm defending it
>no self awareness of thread culture
What cause this brand of autism?
>>534633316>Literally common practice in the American comic book industry.And look at it now. You want Sonic to share that fate?
>>534633003He has human versions of them that are supposed to be used in the project proper.
>>534632450This shit looks like something straight out of DA.
How the fuck can someone from this site have such an utter lack of self-awareness?
>>534633445>Debate how it's not a bad deal, nobody cares, and that it's not REALLY from a fanfic. Blah blah blah typical "Don't blame Ian!" crap.>Not defending it.Learn how to argue before you engage in one.
>>534633586I don't lack self-awareness. It is 100% my intention for the design to resemble Sonic the Hedgehog on a conceptual level, very obviously, while at the same time saying 'no, he's not Sonic, he's his own original character' in complete seriousness.
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>>534634006>No argumentConcession accepted.
>I presented facts
>He doesn't like it because it doesn't fit his autistic obsession
All I can do is point and laugh at spergs like you. You get obsessed with something because it needs to be a certain way to fit your ocd no matter everyone else following the course of logic that deems what you propose is unlikely through pattern recognition and experience thus far. I was not the only one in this thread to say these things, but notice how you are the only one hellbent on asserting a statement just because you want it? You changed your argument and moved goalposts several times between this thread and the other you were in because you couldn't do basic fact checking. If it does get changed, that's a good thing because it's one less thing that greasy fat fuck has his hands on, but right now I and the rest of anons are doubting it considering everything else happening with this franchise.
>>534634179I agree. That guy trying to make some equivalence to PSME and Ian's fanfic was all over the place.
Tails is shit and always will be alone.
>>534584825>Samefagging Tailslop timeftfy
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