Thread 534616023

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>WHAT IS HELLDIVERS 2?
HELLDIVERS 2 is a 2024 crossplay, co-op, squad-based, PvE 3rd person shooter for PC, PS5 and XBox Series X/S where players fight against hordes of alien insects, robots and squids to Spread Democracy™. Players wage war on a number of contested planets, each with a different environment, completing as many objectives as possible in a procedurally generated level while constrained by a time limit. With enough successful operations, a planet can be defended or liberated, and the player base must cooperate to try to liberate the entire galaxy by focusing and combining their efforts as much as possible.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers-2/
https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/store/helldivers-2/9mx9wn9dfpgt

>WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST HELLDIVERS GAME?
Released in 2015 for PC, PS3/4 and PS Vita, the original HELLDIVERS is a shared screen top-down shooter in the same setting. Its mechanics were based primarily on Arrowhead's first game, Magicka.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/394510/HELLDIVERS_Dive_Harder_Edition/
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers/

>LOBBY HOSTING
https://files.catbox.moe/83ixkr.png
>MODDING
https://files.catbox.moe/c81ogo.png

>INFORMATION RESOURCES
https://helldivers.wiki.gg/
https://helldiverscompanion.com/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1xA_wuSuV6NORqUCt1aZ203raG4HuUJ85btqmn0ld56U/htmlview

>MAJOR NEWS
Jul 02 Warbond Token https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/516339785321679794
Jul 03 XBox release Aug 26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTs9VDm4KAU
Jul 17 Control Group https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8FKZG2lPBw
>LATEST PATCHES
Jul 16 1.003.201
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/516341688493408284
Aug 05 01.003.202
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/516342955916658905

bridal carry emote when

Take the orbital rail as a strat. It also gets the 30 second cd buff so you can toss 4 every minute. It is wildly OP now so take advantage if you're a MO mule.

>>534616332
it's really fun. I hope they just make this permenant in some way.

So this next MO is gonna be gloom bugs expedition right

30-second cooldown on the ORC actually makes it worth taking. Imagine giving a fucking single-target orbital strategem a 200s CD.

I think we should send furposters to Freedom Camp

What kind of MO will they push for the xbox players drop? It can't focus everything at once. The squids are a fucking muck pit. Bots or bugs you think is most likely? Or something to nudge 150's into lower level dives to show them the ropes?

>>534616556
Glacial balancing be like

>>534616651
gloom bugs or the cultist squids

>>534616556
Couldn't even guarantee a BT kill on release too

>Redditors still pretend that Joel doesnt rig MOs with blatant distractions and unwinnable objectives
Ah, so Joel is just a dogshit GM by accident?

>>534616556
To be fair when I was up and coming in level 6's even that instant (hopfully) delete a titan option was a god send when I was ignit of how the game functions and how or whaere to aim. For newer players it is a damn fine crutch but something you toss immediately once you know what the fuck you're doing. 200s is way too damn long though.

>>534616893
The only good thing about the ORC is that it's visually very satisfying.

>>534616023 (OP)
This thread looks like it could use some reinforcement! :3

>>534616651
Xbox drop will coincide with a sample scrambles & then the true Gloom crusade & the big bug worms.

>>534616651
I wonder how much of a disaster the xbox port is gonna be, considering swiggers have never heard of optimization and this game runs like shit on PC

>>534616332
>>534616556
It's honestly terrible this isn't permanent
Yeah 4 a minute would be a bit much but it's honestly hard to justify the railcannon to myself when an EAT is usually just better.
"Oh but you don't need to aim" yeah but I can so an EAT is like 1/3rd the cooldown with more range and two shots.
I can even share it, it's honestly become kind of a crutch for me, I just struggle to enjoy other AT options nearly as much as the 60 second cooldown insta-kill.
The commando's damage disappoints since it takes two for a hulk and has a longer cooldown, the quasar's neat but less disposable, the RR makes me give up a backpack and has to be slowly reloaded, I forgot until now the handheld railgun exists
It's just awful, anytime I see someone's tier list and EAT isn't at the top I know they're a fucking retard

>>534617142
having 3 times the reload speed of punisher makes it a marksmen rifle

>>534617486
Oh my GOD I forgot the spear exists holy fuck why must the EAT just be that much better FUCK
I fucking hate any gun that aims for me and misses

>>534616893
this is why we need a t6 upgrade that drops it down to 30 seconds. It gates it from being to broken in low level lobbies, while remaining on par for higher tiers.

All three DSS buffs should contribute to liberation.

>>534617486
Commando has a decent niche against the Illuminate where a single missile can take down striders once the shield collapsed. It's what I usually take to kill them at 200+ yards.

>>534617486
>Yeah 4 a minute would be a bit much
that's the funny thing it wouldn't even be four just 2. It'd be on par with eats, while eats have better burst when you need it. Typically resolving with you killing 3 heavies at once, while railcannon would only kill one.

>>534617796
They really should tweak a lot of reds
110 rocket pods should search a larger radius for a target, the Orbital Railgun should do more damage to justify 200 seconds of cooldown, the OPS should be spammable since it would help with its roll of being a teaching tool for new players

>>534618001
I hate how Orbital Airburst is three Rights instead of OPS.

>>534617865
next thing you'll say that we should have to do a majority or plurality vote to actually activate the effects instead of instantly launching the moment the mats are fully donated or that they shouldn't trigger outside of the scenarios where the special galactic map effect actually matters

>>534617950
Another thing that annoys me with the commando is ironically the tracking combined with the slower rockets
If I actually try to paint a target the rocket usually goes where they were
I have to lead my shots so much that landing them is harder than if the rockets didn't have the homing shit
Atleast EAT dropoff is much more consistent to account for

>>534618001
pods need more fucking damage, they can't even one shot a hulk unless they hit the heatsink by sheer coincidence

>>534617865
They need to let us donate Super Samples.

>>534618385
this

>>534618324
I wasnt but thats a good idea.

>>534618364
Pods have the damage to kill a hulk just fine, the issue is that it usually only lands a single volley if not miss entirely.

Am I going insane or are all hulks that get delivered by dropships almost dead and on fire?

>>534618364
I'm fine with that because they just slam damage onto targets. I take spear and pods and pods let me finish off bile titans that didn't die, and seak out other big targets to keep me ammo efficient with my spear. It also works the same way with every other strat. Just chipping a ton of damage into a heavy helps with a lot of break points.

>>534618637
thats another bug

>>534618718
>I take spear and pods and pods let me finish off bile titans that didn't die, and seak out other big targets to keep me ammo efficient with my spear.
I don't want to tell you how to have fun, but you could get all of this with just the RR while leaving you with another strategem slot.

>>534617950
I wish this was the same with elevated overseers.

We need an Eagle 1000kg

We need an Orbital Railcannon Barrage

Imagine if they stealth dropped the sex update

We need a 520mm orbital barrage

We need an orbital magnet beam that janks bots into outer space

We need a Hellbomb Barrage

>>534617486
>The commando's damage disappoints since it takes two for a hulk
it's 1 to the eye or heatsink
the commando is either just as or more efficient than the EAT against every matchup you could put them against.
tank is 50% or 25% of the shots you get on the commando compared to 100% or 50% on the EAT depending on if you're shooting the turret front or the heatsink
factory strider takes 75% of the commando's ammo but 100% of the EATs
hulks is 25% to the eye or heatsink or 50% to the body for commando, while EAT is 50% to eye, heatsink, or body
war strider is 25% to the leg joint, 50% to the leg or crotch, or 100% to the main body for commando while the EAT is 50% to the leg joint, leg, or crotch and 100% to the body

>>534619398
If only we could even get the hellbomb missile launch.

So ergonomics aren’t a flat out upgrade since they increase reticle sway?

>>534619234
>sex update
describe it

lobby

doko

TOTAL FURRY DEATH HELLDIVERS

>>534619928
Handholding, vanilla sex, marriage and procreation - with human beings - and NOTHING ELSE.

>>534620168
>no robutts
no...

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244640986427/76561199108851031
d10 whatevs

>>534619860
If you're referring to what they said in the patchnotes when they made the pistol/SMG sway changes about lower ergonomics reducing sway they completely misspoke.What they really meant was that the few weapons with low default ergonomics have a lower sway modifier than weapons with higher ergonomics. the eruptor and DCS have a sway modifer of 0.8 while the liberator has a modifer of 1 and any SMG a modifier of 1.2, for example.

When it comes to the actual ergonomics value of weapons it's the opposite: higher ergonomics has less sway than lower ergonomics.
You can see in this webm the lower ergonomics side has much more vertical movement in the third person reticle and pulls away from the center harder while the high ergonomics tends to stay centered more

We need an Orbital Gas Barrage and Eagle Gas Strike

>>534620356
2/4

We need a surstromming basement emplacement

>>534620572
>Eagle Gas Strike

>>534620795
gas mines are actually just tins of surstromming

>>534620356
3/4

>>534620795
We already have gas mines

>>534620356
full

Hellmine strategem that's just an armed Hellbomb that explodes when anything gets too close

We need an orbital mini nuke barrage
how come only shitter ground artillery gets to play with nukes

>>534621467
6 minutes cooldown with 10 seconds call-in time, you rike?

>playing a 3 man bot D10 on planet piss with my scrub friends
>near the end of the mission me and friend one start the extract while friend two is just outside the extract area being chased by a hulk
>Friend one chucks a railgun orb outside near friend two "I hope this reaches you buddy!"
>I was rounding the corner of a building to line up an eat shot before he chucked it and as I get them both into view the hulk is just out of the railgun's tracking range so it paths the shot right into friend two and it just fucking evaporates him
>laugh, "oh it fuckin reached him alright"
Think that and the pelican door somehow launching one of them at mach five to the other side of the map with all our samples were the highlights of the session.

>>534622824
T-The GM loves us... H-He wouldn't hurt us if he didn't care! We just have to follow his instructions... We're lucky he's being so p-patient with us!

ACHTUALLY good idea for D11 to increase difficulty
>simultaneous/ time sensitive objectives. You must do the thing at point A then do another thing at point B. These points are a brisk 40-70 second dead run from each other. You only have 30 seconds to complete the secondary task or the entire process fails and restarts.

This is force divers into 2-2 or 1-3 group depending on what the objectives are and how confident they feel. Solotrannies can get fucked. D11 is going to utilize the whole 4 man group or at the very least 2 as Super Christ willed it.

Other then that. More restrictive efforts. Lower over all mission time. Less ammo on the map. Side objectives that can expire if not found or completed. This is based on landing position and distance from objective to set a bar for the count down. We have tons of enemies. We have tons of reinforcements. Really the only other thing we can really do to make things harder without making damage sponge spawns is cutting time/resources and forcing cooperation across distance. This is real difficulty tweeks.

>>534624553
>matchmaking breaks and doesn't lets people connect to your lobby
>mission becomes unbeatable
Nice.

>>534624860
>random bug that happens once in 300 dives
>well this entire idea won't work
Works on my rig.

>>534624553
>D11
>not unique mission modifiers
>no stratagems mission
>no hud mission
>low/high gravity planets

>>534617624
>punisher
>16 rounds, 6.4s
>deadeye
>8 rounds 5.4s
Anyway the Deadeye is a sniper shotgun.

>>534625272
I'm not even into all that. I just really really really really like the P&S on model design.

>>534620513
It's actually not the ergonomics, weapon attachments change your sway.
Muzzles increase it and angled foregrip decreases it.

>>534625372
Well the unique modifiers more often then not hurt rather then help but a stratagem boggler might be interesting. Randomly the stratagems will fizzle out due to interference. So you can't see the count down or the input code. You have to start memorizing the codes and toss them hoping they are up. No HUD would ruffle entirely too many feathers. However fucking with gravity would be neato as shit. Your dives go either 1m or 10m. You can chuck stratagems nearly across the horizon or then land 5m in front of you. Over all slow down while running or straight ass adding a moon gravity bunny hop while sprinting.

>>534625404
Reloading one round is .4 seconds vs 1.3

>>534626014
Cool it down with all the math, you're clearly making him uncomfortable.

>>534625839
>jump pack on low grav mission

>>534625404
>Constitution takes 8.5 second to reload 5 shots
>Slugger takes 6.4 to reload 16
>Deadeye takes 5.4 to reload 8

Why the fuck does constituon have to suck so much.

>>534626214
>aggressive hop

>>534625839
>rag dolled
>fly 40 meters away

>>534626612
fingers crossed

>>534625839
Helldivers should've just copied DRG.
-A modifier that makes everyone move 50% faster
-Low gravity
-One that puts bots and squids units onto bug missions, same with the rest, who cares if they don't shoot eachother
-Toxic atmosphere which forces you to call in stratagems that spawns bubbles of oxygen
-Increased weakspot damage

>>534616817
Maybie its both

>>534627526
>One that puts bots and squids units onto bug missions, same with the rest, who cares if they don't shoot eachother
Piles put them together on a map and told them to shoot each other and they did. Technology likely lost now.

>>534627526
>-Toxic atmosphere which forces you to call in stratagems that spawns bubbles of oxygen
Obnoxious as shit but actually a good idea. They have datamined that radiation damage is going to be a thing soon. S global strat like a supply pack that you need to hit every once in awhile or piss neon green and die to AIDs. There would be bubbles in the wild for branch off divers but the primary would be a 3-4 minute buddy huddle to stave off the skin shedding.

>>534627526
I'd like modifiers with downsides and upsides.
Like 50% longer orbital cooldown, but you get seperate eagles.

>>534624553
>increase difficulty
Is that even a thing that could conceivably happen in this game anymore? The 60 day patch has unironically led to the mainstream belief that HD2 is a le doomguy power fantasy

>>534628463
yeah and that's a good thing

>>534628463
No since swedes only know one way of creating "difficulty", which is make it as annoying and obnoxious as possible to play with guaranteed instakills and little to no counterplay.
So at this point, who cares, just make the game fun and add more funny toys to play with.

nth for Joel and Alexus being raped by roving packs of gorillas

>>534628463
I mean. Not tooting my own horn but yeah you can make things more difficult not simply by meat mashing unstoppable enemies hordes into the players or punishing every single mistaken input.

>less time
>less resources
>full clear objectives require spliting up and coordinating
Even those small 3 things would be more then enough to warrant a new difficulty tier and doesn't fuck with the balance of any existing units or weapons. If you cannot effectively and cleaning clear a D11 with these new restrictions then you belong in D10. Shrimple as.

>>534625791
>Muzzles increase it and angled foregrip decreases it.
is there any data to back this up? since the game doesn't tell you anything you'd need to datamine the full values

>>534620356
Remember to always dap up your fellow helldivers
you wouldn't wanna end up like this guy, would you?

>>534629619
Yeah it got datamined that muzzles and foregrip modify sway values directly.

>>534629193
I'm a fan of making weakpoints and aiming more rewarding. The obvious one would be giving Hulks ablative armor, so that you'd either need to hit their eye, or blast the vent, even with something like the RR.
Enemies could also afford to be smarter and more agile across the board.

>>534629850
do you have a link?

>>534630025
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1mlwk88/psa_muzzle_attachments_make_your_aim_worse_by/

I don't have the actual data mine itself off hand

>>534629874
I'd also like better enemies but the problem is consistency. Which is fucking paramount. You cannot have one units weak points or behavior different from the same unit on a different difficulty. It really fucks up everything across the board. You would have to introduce an entirely new variant with new patterns if straight enemy buffs is your goal. Otherwise. D11 could just be right now for now, the Helldivers that can Ace D10 with all objectives cleared and worked independently or as a duo. While not leaning on the reinforcement option.

>>534630159
thanks. I'll redo my test without any of those, then
I have a theory that high ergonomics has a side-effect of decreasing perceived sway as high ergonomics makes the weapon resist the movement caused by sway in the same way that higher ergonomic can help mitigate perceived recoil because it resets the reticle faster.

>>534630159
what can I do to influence random spread, so that my gun with a barrel as long as my torso doesn't just miss wildly at 50m?

>>534630159
psy/k/os, make this make sense

>>534628463
>Darktide adds completely optional ultra hard mode missions that are unforgiving to anyone who isn't at the top of their game
>only rewards are alt versions of achievement cosmetics
>no one complains
>most of the playerbase doesn't even care

>Helldivers 2 adds a completely optional tenth difficulty level that's only marginally harder than the previous 3 tiers
>has zero unique rewards at all, literally only there for the increased challenge for anyone who wants it
>entire community collectively screeches about how unfair it is that it's not accommodating players of all skill levels, it needs to be nerfed, trans rights are human rights
what went wrong?

>>534631183
You can't make sense of madness

>>534631881
>it's another darkskin 40k rant

>>534632232
cool bot reply thanks for the engagement

>>534631881
6 million cod console niggers

>>534630159
>grind weapon levels to get attachments
>attachments make the gun worse
bravo arrowhead you've baited me once again

What a dogshit company.

>>534631881
HELP ME SEAF-CHAN!

why should I care about the xbox port

SEAF chan look like this

>People pay money to look like this
Maybe the armour in helldivers isnt so bad after all...

DUDE
MEDIA LITERACY

Are support weapons good for you?

Dead game dead thread

>>534626014
>deadeye is more shotgunny than a shotgun

Thread dead? pömp eet

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>>534637493
2/4

>>534637493
3/4

What excuse will botniggers use when they fail this MO?

>>534637493
full

SquidGODS have more wins than botLOSERS

>>534634697
warhammer players are insanely autistic about their grimdark transhumanism. Even if its ugly as shit.

>>534638720
Didnt Joel need to keep bailing out or leviathan kills because nobody gives a shit about squids?

If you ever feel the need to take the Epoch. Dont. Just take the Purifier instead!

Not gonna lie, the state of the game really got me unmotivated to play. These niggers keep promising fixes, and what we get is more bug and Alexus special balance. Xbox launch will be a wreck.

>>534619234
>Imagine if they stealth dropped the sex update

So launch Helldivers 2 had a bug where ps5 players were oneshotting bts with the railgun, right? So whats Xbox gonna have?

>>534620356
ggz tards, forgot 2 upload
https://files.catbox.moe/05gtzk.mp4

>>534630159
This is like the gay ass shit with durable, where weapons that deal "hugh" damage deal no damage because of hidden stats. FUCK.

>>534639213
Uhh I'm gonna take both I'm the plas man.

>>534630350
>>534625791
Did the comparison test again without any sway influencing attachments and after closely examining the sway patterns I think I can safely say that the actual ergonomics value of the weapon has no impact on sway. Even with a swing of 49 ergonomics doesn't have any noticeable effect on how strong the sway tendency is

>>534640095
Again, if you read in the patch notes for patch 01.003.000 that "weapons with lower ergonomics will experience less sway, while those with higher ergonomics will have more. " that is incorrect. In actuality it is the case that certain weapons that have a low default ergonomics value like the DCS and the Eruptor have been assigned an arbitrarily lower sway modifier than weapons with higher default ergonomics like SMGs and pistols. In this example I have the DCS and ultimatum, both having the same ergonomics value, but since the DCS has an inherently lower sway modifier than the Ultimatum you can clearly see the difference in the magnitude of the sway. Ergonomics itself has no direct influence on sway, and any difference to the sway modifier is arbitrary and hard coded, not a scaling factor of the weapons ergonomics value.

>>534640342
so then
What does the ergonomics value actually do

>>534641730
controls how 'snappy' the gun is to your movements. low ergoomics makes the gun lag behind your mouse movements while high ergonomics value keeps it more closely aligned.
think of it like trying to swing around a a sledgehammer compared to just a stick: the heavier sledgehammer takes more time and effort to speed up or slow down while the stick is nice and easy to move around

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d10 wahtevs

>>534642251
2/4

>>534642251

2/4 Goon posting Eagle pilot too get attention

nerf troons in shambles

>>534642251
3/4

Certainly one of these years they'll add the APC

>>534642820
3/4
another eagle pilot goon post for attention

>>534639213
I take epoch whenever I'm feeling down.
Killing stuff with it always makes me smile :)

>>534642251
full

>>534642734
Literally who?

THIS JUST IN!!!!
All Super Earth system screens are now penis sensitive. Meaning that terminals can only be activated by penis-touch. Men! Get those dicks out and practice your aim! Women! Get back in the fucking kitchen and get pregnant for the war cause.

nteenth for the plasma punisher being the best gun in the game next to the Punisher
nteenth for joel and alexus deserve to be raped by packs of roving gorillas
nteenth for team-reloading your buddy by using his dropped backpack
nteenth for accepting all xboxfriends by remembering the mid-00's and playing gaylo on the 360

Testing if hosting still crashes the game. If not then D10 anything

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244655070430/76561198393096783

stop making lobbies I have to fucking cook dinner

>>534645493
make me dinner woman

>>534616556
B-but then what would happen to the OPS?
>tfw having a blast with the rail cannon, wonder why I never used it before
>check its CD
lol.
LMAO

>>534645349
2/4 seems to work

>>534645878
graphic design is my passion

>>534640342
Does the secondary armor from the deadeye Warbond improve sway or recovery from sprinting for secondary weapons?
I’ve placebo’d myself into believing it does

>>534646198
Considering by how how ass the Talons sway is even wearing it I doubt it. Even wearing that armor I feel like I need to ADS for a full second before the reticle stops trying to escape from the top left of the triangle, but that might be some other problem.

>>534631881
please dont use seaf-chan for negative posts

>>534645349
3/4 GET IN HERE

>>534646906
holy that bitch can eat

>>534645349
fvll

amrGOD btw

Undercover Democratic robutts will defeat the Automaton menace once and for all.

>New warbond
>The Degenerate
>Poop sock melee
>Piss bottle throwable
>Waifu pillow backpack
>Orbital Cum Jar Barrage
>Title: SUPER DEGENERATE

>>534648098
Forgot to add
>Gooning emote

>>534642734
Wow, I can't wait for the APC in 2029 and the other mech variants in 2032

>>534648098
>Title: SUPER DEGENERATE
Sorry never changing off space cadet.

>>534648606
But we already have that

playing with the dickle made me realize that hdg should do an hd1 lobby sometime

Orbital Tentacle strategem to RAPE bile titan girls

>>534637493
great games gents.. laughed a lot at the axe vs flag deathmatch at the end

Sometimes I start thinking that I hate Arrowhead enough and then they do something else that's completely retarded.
TOTAL SWEDISH ANNIHILATION

Guitar primary would be pretty cool

>>534642251
ggz frens
https://streamable.com/7jpg0b

Why can't Mechs self-destruct?

Hell bomb mech soon (tm)

Are there actual Swedes browsing this thread?

>>534651276
saber is at your door

>>534651442
Explosives not included.
Please refer to your Helldiver(TM) manual for instructions on how to install a Hellbomb(TM).

>>534646906
>>534645349
>>534647271
ggs

>>534652690
>picrel
I hate this.
>commie
No wonder.

Justice WILL be released before the end of 3025, and that's pretty soon (for a Swede).

>Flame particle hits me from blowback from the wind
>Concussion effect
????

>>534653504
>3025
Mechs will be real before your Adjudicator sidegrade.
I feel pity for you, friend. A fate worse than death.

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d10 wahtev

Just had a great series of mIssions.theres a guy i ran i to while SC farming & whenever he sees im on he drops in on my map. Dude is relatively new & he's a bit of a goober but he's a great friend & does well.i was doing random with some other new guys. Only level 8. They were fighting bots, & doing good. Then my farming buddy dropped in too & we swept a few maps with little difficulty. One map was kind of funny cause they kept throwing barrage & strats right after I would snipe a heavy with my Quasar. Died a bit to their friendly fire a couple of times but they weren't bad players. Just inexperienced. Completely elevated my mood.

>>534655932
is it full? holy shit

>>534655932
full

>>534656006
That's really cool actually.

>>534655932
kwet

>>534656153
I make friends with random occasionally but I never really socialize or group up with them. Even my farming buddy is more him joining me than anything else. But I really like my farming buddy & I really liked these other two guys so for the first time ever I find myself thinking of running a few more missions with them if we can organize a bit

>>534642251
https://streamable.com/2k097j

>>534656284
>jin-san desperately trying to avoid fire

>>534657061
>joke mo, very funny, honk honk

I genuinely thought I was going crazy when I thought the Flam-80 does more damage than the torcher but I forgot that theres a ship upgrade that increases fire damage by stratagems by 25%. Does this also include the afterburn or just the direct flames?

>>534657791
uh, what's up with the robutt?

>>534657791
wiki says no DoT

>>534657980
Is it worth it to take the flamethrower over the torcher for the 25%?

>>534658224
Nta but no fuck no.
Base flame thrower damage got nukes to like 200, so you're only getting 250.
The ergo unironically makes it harder to use flamethrower, while the torcher can spread fire everywhere.

>>534657896
More like what's up in the robutt

>quick play into a mission about to begin
>start mission
>everyone throws down their shit
>I die to something silly
>host takes my warp pack
>check stratagem loadouts
>host didn't take a backpack
>ask for my warp pack back
>get ignored
>TK host, take my warp pack and his quasar and then jump into a bug hole
>leave

Eat a dick faggot. I would have gladly called down a warp pack for you after my cooldown was over had you asked.

>>534659235
NTA your warp pack your rules

d10 whatevs
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>>534659235
I fucking hate thieves. Only thing that's okay to take is samples. I once had a host kill me, steal my warp pack, & then kick me. Like, holy fuck dude just buy the warbond

>>534659235
>>ask for my warp pack back
>>get ignored
>>TK host, take my warp pack and his quasar and then jump into a bug hole
Based and deserved.

>>534659235
YOU IDIOT! NOW THE BUGS HAVE WARP TECH

>>534659449
2/4

>>534659449
3/4 JOIN JOIN JOIN

>>534659235
Your first mistake was playing on bugs when they're the off MO faction, so you were 200% more likely to run into legitimate low IQ bugniggers.

>>534659449
3/4 reeee

>>534658476
Ty

>>534659662
How did you think they got from planet to planet?

>>534660316
group farting

>>534659449
if you don't join now, I'm going to bully you sexually

>>534660591
if you post hachjikuji I'll consider it

>>534660591
id pin her down by the neck, my entire hand would wrap around that tiny neck

>>534660943
you would most likely perish for your efforts

>>534661023
she's too small. the struggle would be admirable but infantile

>>534657791

Sexual relations with this clanker and her wombforce.

>>534660943
472323

>>534616023 (OP)
>8.13%
>2.348%
dakka faction sisters?

>>534659449
3/4

Sex with SEAF-chan without protection.

yall niggas is horny

>>534661797
Interesting picture

Sex with brood commander-chan without protection

>>534655932
2/4 again. join

>>534616023 (OP)
dedgame

>host and i end up taking same support weapon
>we both die at the same time but in slightly different spots
>see host ping my yellow support weapon on map and start moving toward it - weird, but maybe he's doing it as a courtesy to show me where mine is
>pick up my support weapon which is yellow on map
>instantly TK'd by host and kicked because he thought it was his
sometimes it do be like that

>>534655932
3/4

>Join random game
>Host hotdrops
>Not even onto the fort, but a cluster of bases
>Base turns out to be a stratagem jammer
>Overlapping with another stratagem jammer
>And within range of a detector tower that was covered by both jammers
>On a War Strider seed
>And I was the only one to bring Thermite

We lost 15 reinforcements in 5 minutes before hellpods took out enough Striders so we stopped getting juggled to death

>>534662484
That has to be some negative IQ shit, seeing as he should've been able to tell both weapons were the same on the mini-map.

>>534655932
full

>>534655932
4/4

>>534662484
What the fuck am I looking at

I'm coming back from an extended break, and a big go to combo for me was the Jar-5 and the railgun for the bots. However it seems like no matter how many overcharged shots I dump at those warstriders legs, they won't go down. Is there some trick to this I'm missing?

>>534659449
3/4 still - d10 bots

>>534663628
It should take 4 shots to the leg to kill, unless you're hitting the leg armor, then it's like 20 shots.

>>534664110
You know what, that must have been the issue then.

>>534663247
corn chair

>>534631881
the things that happen only in your head aren't real nerftroon
Most of the bitching was about new enemies being buggy as fuck and AHs balancing philsophy of nerfing everything thats good while never improving bad gear

>>534655932
3/4 again

>>534663729
lol after the host dropped post-SOS beacon, the random became host and kicked me and I'm assuming the only other anon for destroying the fort while he ran off to extract. What's the point of playing the game if you're not gonna play the game?

>>534655932
3/4 still plae game

>>534662484
The Cornpopper must pop corn.

>>534655932
full

>>534663628
best advice I can give you is to add EAT or thermites to your loadout. killing warstriders with non-AT weapons just isn't ideal despite the existence of class 4 weak spots.

Can they just retire tanks and make war strider the default already? I barely see any of them.

>>534666521
They're limited to like on seed, but there they replace hulks and tanks. There's like two of them in every patrol.
If you drop on that seed without EATs/RR/QC you're gonna get stuck in ragdoll nirvana

>>534665306
Saaars the game is still on. Me and one other survived.

>>534668069
saar we cant join

>>534668141
Sorry, try now.

>>534666521
Every mission I have done today has been full to the brim of war striders. Every patrol, every PoI, every base, every drop.

https://www.arrowheadgamestudios.com/2024/03/balancing-the-firepower-in-helldivers-2/

most out of touch patch?
or was there anything worse than this one?

What's a good soundtrack/album to listen to for Helldivers?

>>534670691
uma-RUUUUUUUUU!!!!!

>>534670691
nerfing flamethrowers to shit via a bugfix in the same patch they released a flamethrower warbond still takes the cake for me

>>534669884
3 full fucking ops since yesterday. Bunker, cannon, ICBM, blitz, survey, and nooone has war strider.

>>534669884
I had this happen to me once, there were so many of them and I were thinking "we got 3 AT weapons, I can take something else for a change"
I were so pissed afterwards, I took both EATs and Commando only for the next mission to have zero war striders in it. Barely any tanks, even.

>>534655932
GGs

>>534655932
ggz frens, another lobby 4ever cemented in my memory, you guys are the best
https://files.catbox.moe/0c2gbz.mp4

>>534655932
ggs bros

>>534672763
Now that's some malicious code! Also, on my screen, it was in front of me and not behind me. It looks like I ran straight into that.

>>534673124
you cunts you said my backblast killed him

>>534673219
it did indirectly, by shooting you knocked over p1 who was running to stim me. also my v key is broken

>>534673295
cheeks status: chlenched

>>534673124
Frankly, this wouldn't have happened if you didn't piss on my back

>>534673295
Kino

>>534673271
>my v key is broken
so how did you just type it there?

>>534673660
my surgot keyboard of course

Me and some random became friends because we stick together and spam voicelines.
It made me realize how boring the majority of the random players since they just run off and are boring as shit are and I realized how fun it is to stick together taking care of each other.
thanks for reading my blog

>>534673702
What you don't like playing with psuedo-AI with no personality or sense of co-operation whatsoever?

>>534673702
Ain't reading that but I'm happy for you or sorry that happened

>>534673702
>Accidently throw sos
>Randos join
>Run off and solo objectives
>Call down pelican
>Leave and say gg

Man it's like I'm not even playing lmao

How's the game solo? I know it's a co-op focused game but I'm still interested in playing alone. I heard they recently made it harder to do this, which is unfortunate. Would I be able to grind the Warbonds without too much stress on Medium?

>>534674163
On difficulty 3 (medium) you'd basically be SC farming.

>>534674220
Would it be hard? I don't gotta one shot everything and never struggle, just not die immediately.

>>534674418
not him but unless you got a brain problem you wont have any troubles once you naturally get better and work up your way to 10

>>534674482
Oh good, was worried the solo mode would have the balance of 4 people thrown at me or something. Thanks, I'll look into it a little more.

>>534674163
>I heard they recently made it harder to solo
I can't think of any recent change that would have made it harder to solo. the status effect change didn't have any impact on solo play because it was always like that for solo players
infact you could say they made it easier to solo because they retooled how detection works for certain entities like spawners of all types where you actually have to aggro them instead of just being within X meters

>>534674653
I read something like upping waves from 1/6th their size or something to 1/4th, but I don't know what they meant exactly. I'd have to read it again.

>>534674163
it depends. firstly on faction. bots are vastly more comfortable to solo since their gameplay is founded on firefights, cover, and removing defensive structures. easier to manage by yourself than the more rushdown-y gimmicks of the other factions.
solo play is superior in some ways, for example you get the same amount of resupplies as a full squad of four players. on difficulty 10 you will get a shitton of objectives to manage run out of time pretty fast but you can just metaslave a bit more or turn the difficulty down one or two notches. or just not clear the whole map.
tl;dr yes solo play is fun

>>534674857
Is it true I'll have to play it like a stealth game on hard and above or was I just reading the complaints of casuals? I'm not into ballbusting hard, but I can take a challenge.

>>534674941
lol fuck no you can just go full blown arnie in commando and rush down bases if that's your style. stealth is effective but can wear down your time budget so it's actually more of a group play strategy. you want strategies that let you speedrun, make up the time you lose from bringing zero mates.

>>534674941
You must've been reading old forums or some shit. The 1/6 to 1/4th enemy change is ancient. Back then the game was more difficult, and stealth more valuable, but nowadays even redditors can comfortably complete D6's.

>>534675061
>>534675187
Perfect, was worried those changes were the start of downhill balancing. I think the 1/4th complaint was a year old, so it's nice to see a lot has changed since then. Thanks for all the useful info, I'll grab it now.

>>534675387
enjoy anon

>>534674941
The game mechanically was never designed with stealth in mind so all you're going to be doing is pissing yourself off when you alert some random fuck off bug/trooper and suddenly every enemy in a 50 meter radius around you is now aggro'd to your presence.

Holy dead gayme batman

GET ON PHACT BAY EXTERMINATION NIGGA THERE'S CHINKS HANDING OUT SC IN EXTERMINATION LOBBIES

Each update, the game runs worse and crashes more often. What are they doing over in Stockholm man...

Ultimatumsister, what happened?

>>534670691
>Many have commented that they aren’t powerful enough and are unable to deal with all the enemies either by the amount of ammunition required or their raw DPS.
>This is very much intentional, you need to rely on your Stratagems, and the Stratagems of your team to deal with all the enemies effectively.
Meanwhile, back then:
>-1 stratagem modifier
>Modifier that made all of your orbitals miss their target
>Most of the stratagems were utter garbage at killing anything
>+100% stratagem call-in time and +50% stratagem cooldown

>>534670736
Timely!!!

It's so boring when someone uses an orbital laser to knock out an entire mega base.

Should I get the Sickle or the Double Edge Sickle?

post lobby
I will join

>>534684310
Oh you mean like the railgun?

>>534683473
dickle sucks ass
sorry not sorry /hdg/ but until you put the fire armor on you're just a leech of stims from the team
imagine running out of stims and not being able to defend yourself lmao

>>534684869
AAAAAAAAAAAAA CRUTCH CRUTCH CRUTCH LOWER THE DIFFICULTY REEEEEEE

>>534616556
Is the Railcannon Orbital actually going to get buffed after this MO? The general feedback has been "this is way better."

>>534683473
The dickle doesn't just tax your stims, it's also basically fucking useless to even remotely attempt to ADS with it because of the blinding particle effects it spews out when you fire it.

>>534683305
yeah you should take it out from across the map with the ATE

>>534685305
Freedom guides my aim, faggot.

>>534685462
this but unironically

>>534685305
not a problem because you WILL be stimming when shooting it and doing that resets the gun to the firing-from-hip position while keeping the zoom

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>>534685659
we are 3/4
1 slot left!

>>534685547
They'll sooner fix this bug then address the god awful visual noise of this gun's firing effects, and when they do your next step of coping will be to just mod out the particle effects.

>>534685659
still 3...
we're waiting for (you)...

If you don't play with screen shake on you're bad at the game

>>534685659
starting but join us anytime its a low pop planet
3/4

>>534687336
I was about to join but I got out of bed and found the power went out overnight

>>534685659
full

>>534659672
Id fuck metroid

>>534685659
3/4 slot open

>>534685659
full agane

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>>534631881
even the first game had special capes for completing helldive operations

>>534691031
Sorry sweetheart, that'll be 3 months of development time, 2 months of shipping, 1 month of approving a dispatch to announce we'll make those capes, another 5 months to actually make the cape, and then another 3 months just to release it.
Oh and not to mention, we'll take at least 3 vacations inbetween.
The capes? They'll be textureless on launch, fit no armor whatsoever, and somehow break weapon selection, leading you to only select the Liberator and Peacemaker all the time, all this, before we go onto Christmas Vacation.
Hail Super Earth.

>>534690839
2/4

>>534691537
>this will also re-introduce the Bile Titan invulnerable head bug

Is there any chance we get the og soundtrack on the game?
HD1's OST is infinitely superior

>>534679816
The very exact thing they did for all their previous games and that they told us they were going to do with this game as well.
It's honestly baffling how they know exactly what's happening and yet they can't stop it.

>>534679816
>open game
>play D10 with ten billion explosions and bullets and shit flying everywhere
>mostly steady 60fps
>next day
>open game
>can't even reach 10 fps in the smallest maps
Svëdish code

>>534631881
god i wish that were me

For me, it's the humble warrior, unassuming like that childhood friend but also always there for (You). She's the reliable 9-5 workhorse of her faction and always the no-nonsense and sensible type.

>>534693408
warrior chan is cute!

>>534690839
2/4 again

>>534694174
Yeah, ORC is actually good if you can shoot one every 15 seconds
Too bad AH will learn nothing from this

>>534694312
takes like 1 minute with two dudes, you're not solodiving, right?

>>534694378
i don't get the apple

>>534694796
>being so new that you don't know about bacon apples

Give me some bug MO again, mr. president, I'm edging to spread the seeds of democracy but not like that haha unless?

>>534694371
It's too good if you can spam it. Have done multiple hdg dives now where everyone takes 8 orcs and we can full clear without firing a shot from our actual guns

>>534697834
>Have done multiple hdg dives now where everyone takes 8 orcs and we can full clear without firing a shot from our actual guns
As compared to... throwing down 4 greens and AFK'ing as the sentries play the game for you? Get real, ORCS buffed to not be dogshit wouldn't make the game any less braindead easy than it already is. It's just making the stratagem actually fun to use.

thread so ded I got to play with pubbies

>>534700293
Nuh-uh, fun is NOT allowed in my perfect vision of the game. You need your arsenal to be dogshit and unusable because feeling miserable is what's truly fun. (Me? I don't play the game)

I don't play with /hdg/ to avoid pubs, I play with /hdg/ specifically to avoid chinks.

>>534630159
imagine grinding 21 levels for the compensator just to discover that your weapon actually behaves worse lmao.
So the shit currently is the flash hider that "only" increases the sway by 10% while decreasing both horizontal and vertical recoil, and also making the ergo slightly worse?

>>534701752
Flash hider is ironically the most realistic barrel attachment, because armies aren't trying to blind their soldiers with barrel flashes on a normal basis. Which makes the fact that the other barrel attachments increase sway to dogshit amounts due to "realism" even more hilarious. They're so lost in the sauce of "realism" that they overlooked how the actual realistic barrel attachment, which doesn't have their realism applied logic to it, is also the actual realistic attachment.

>>534702652
Swiggers wouldn't know realism if it jumped up and bit them in the ass. They think just because they were conscripts for a year they know everything there is to know about weapons.

>>534701412
This is a good policy though.
I dont want someone with an SMG shooting like a shotgun

>>534701412
bacon wrapped apples are great, I love to roast them on the grill
also apple sauce goes well with a nicely rendered and seared pork belly
tl;dr give transmog and colorations lazy swede

>>534704557
>on release, the best shotgun was also the best primary sniper rifle
>now shotguns don't do jack shit
>the best "shotgun" is a regular rifle

>>534704557
Instead you get SMGs that are worse than every other weapon class and exist soely to be used with the ballistic shield (which is also shit)

>>534701412
Apples that tastes like bacon suck so instead, we're giving you apples that tastes like shit

>>534694371
it would be good on 60-90 seconds too

>>534701258
based
moon runes are not to be tolerated on my monitor either brother

>Game is in a state of needing content but also bug fixes and optimization patches
Very grim.

imagine being the guys that worked nonstop on the illuminate since the game came out and now only 2.6% of the player base you cater to are not ignoring your work
that's the kind of failure warranting suicide init

d10 bugs
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>>534706556
Wasn't illuminate content patch done by external studio?

>>534706762
FVLL

>>534631881
Destiny 2 players, unironically.

>>534706762
Fuck I just opened the thread
someone open a new lobby please

Can't wait for influx of new console players.
I haven't played for few weeks. Wanted to mess around with free and fast ORS.
Game I played was destroy orbital cannons. I ended up blowing all the cannons and cleared all the side objectives. With 3 of them alone.
And I blew 3 enemy bases up. Including one with 4 heavy fabricators.
I didn't even have crossplay on. No wonder AH dosent want to increase difficulty when skill ceiling is this

>>534702652
How tf a ~100g muzzle attachment would fuck up the weapon sway that much, even from a realistic standpoint? It's barely noticeable on an assault rifle and weighs less than a holo sight for example.
I get that heavy weapons are harder to aim and sway more (also get shit ergo) but putting a chunk of metal on your gun makes your aim 25% more random?
Another case of swedish balancing......

>>534706543
Optimising will take long time unless it's some extreamly obviously mistake that causes issues.

AIIIEEEEE WHY ARE SPEWER AND HULK CORPSES STILL TRIGGERING MY ABRL EARLY INTO A CATASTROPHIC SUICIDE

lobby?

>>534710240
The corpse's hitbox isn't actually what you see on the screen and is actually determined by the host's physics that can be different than other players' or something.

>>534711291
I've experienced this. It's the bane of my existence. So many times I've had my bullets impacting thin air because the war strider that I killed's corpse is astral projecting into my bullet's travel path. Maddening.

>>534630159
Wtf I grinded weapon xp to make them worse?

>automatons are fun but there's 3 common gripes
>ragdoll hell
>rockets and heavy AP mandatory on d10
>big enemy corpses blocking shots
>...
>"Introducing the warstrider!"

>>534706762
3/4
>>534708529
you have a chance to get in!

>>534712187
Try lowering the difficulty, that'll make it so there are less war striders for you to deal with and you will have a better time overall
Hope this helps!!!

>>534706762
fvll again

Great news, helldivers, with our team tirelessly working to optimise the game, we have managed to shave off 4GB from the game
Known bug:
War strider cannons were incorrectly changed to bunker turret cannons

>>534711742
No you did it for the Venus skin

>>534704557
Bro your servo assisted armor?

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>>534713165
But anon they already are bunker turrets, you meant factory strider cannons?

>>534713619
You can't see the servo because uhh... they're being covered by the gauntlets!

>>534713619
Don't forget your fortified armor, too!

>>534713863
And your extra ammo, those 2 pistol mags make all the difference!

>>534713785
2/4

Game can look pretty o sometimes.

>>534713785
3/4 get in here Loser we got Freedom haters to kill

>>534714112
They should have used the bandolier from the original servo assisted medium for the siege ready armors. That would have been cool.

>>534713785
we dive, 1 sopt open

>>534682390
How were you supposed to kill heavies back then anyways.
Like OPS wasn't intentional for heavy killing.

>>534717183
hoping the 500kg or OPS landed right, if not you were kiting until it was ready again

>>534717183
Oh you used the OPS to kill bile titans. But if you had the modifier that fucked with orbital stratagem accuracy, it was pretty much useless. So people spammed EATs because it was the most effective way to kill them (2 hits to the head when it worked, because they were bugged and most of the time straight up didn't took damage)
500kg was also a solution, though it couldn't kill it in one shot and had a laughably small explosion radius.

I actually like using the plasma accelerator now

why don't the prosthetic armors just reduce your hitbox

>>534717183
Bugs you just ran away
Bots you just shot them with your AC/AMR

epoch bad

>>534717618
They allegedly didn't intend for OPS to kill heavies.

>>534717183
chargers/hulk with stun + OPS/500kg
tanks could be easily destroyed with OPS or airstrike
With BTs you had to learn how to time your 500kg, and even then it wasn't guaranteed

>>534717989
Well they didn't intend for stratagems to kill anything but your teammates considering how fucking awful everything was.

>Small AOE
>Slow Charge
>Shit damage
>Drop off
>Range is 100 yards
>Not anti-tank
>Stationary reload
Why should I ever take this over the Railgun?

Old loadout?
Mine was
>Bugs
ORC
Eagle airstrike
EAT / Arc thrower
Supply pack
>Bots
ORC
Eagle 110mm, solely for tanks (the actual ones with treads) and fabs
Eagle airstrike
AC

>>534718613
Kills behemoths in 2 shots from anywhere, same with bile titans.
Also has splash so you can kill clumped up shit, spewers, and fleshmobs

Railgun sissies what are we doing about war striders
It's too hard to get a decent angle on the joint...

>>534713785
1 slot open again

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>>534719646
you call in your EATs because you need them either way due to striders and tanks

>>534721821
>he needs EATs to deal with tanks

>>534721774
I want to FUCK this dog

New weapon concept: Uber EATs

is the dynamite worth using?

>>534723353
>edible anti-tank

>>534723508
I like it, you get a larger expolsion radius for a less responsive fuse, makes it a nice option to throw in a pile of bots that just stand there and shoot

Watch, botdivers will take the planets but fail the railcannon side objective which will count as a total MO failure with level 80 invasions on all those planets the moment the MO ends

wow that fucking sucks
does that change anything?

>>534713785
GGs

>>534724208
>rocks fall, everyone dies

war striders are an anti fun unit

>>534717618
>500kg was also a solution, though it couldn't kill it in one shot
500kg could absolutely kill them in one shot. But BT's were buggy motherfuckers and just refused to take damage sometimes. 500kg was the cleanest way to kill BT's quickly, and /hdg/ squads could consistently kill them in one hit a good 80% of the time. The other 20% was a mix of them deciding to be invulnerable that day or them switching targets and moving out of the blast zone before detonation.

>>534701412
>we can't have transmog one suit might not have the right number of bacon apples on it. It would just be immersion breaking.
>The anti-tank plasma cannon can't scratch a conex shipping container? That's, uhh, realistic because plasma has no mass.
>Ignore the massless orbital flashlight stratagem smashing the fuck out of detector towers.
God I hate sweden.

>>534718613
You shouldn't. If it had some demo force, then you'd have an excuse to bring it.

>>534725408
>Make them throw less grenades, have a longer cooldown
>Remove ragdoll from lasers unless they directly hit you, but buff its damage and accuracy
>Nerf joint HP a tad so heavy pen weapons have a better time killing them
Ideally they remain an inverse to hulks, being a defensive/supportive heavy unit than an aggressive one but they're just so annoying without being a true threat most of the time.

>>534726114
>please ignore the gas grenade blowing up bug holes, fabricators, containers and propaganda towers pls

>>534726114
>>534727337
>Plasma cant have mass despite being literally matter
Also devs:
>lasers with mass? So true!

>jump pack
at minimum now has 2 charges or its recharge time halved
>hover pack
hover height adjustable in flight via crouch/jump including being able to land early, speed while hovering increased to that of a sprint, sway/recoil when at a standstill same as when on the ground

I feel like it was meant to have demo force but they forgot to put it in and are covering their ass

Post lobby
I will join you

>>534728763
no. YOU post a lobby and i will join it.

>>534728836
>>534728763
I have a lobby for both of you.

>>534728836
It seems we're at an impasse...

>>534729012
Ok?
And?

>>534729516
I have furfags and weeaboos in my game.

>>534728573
12 grams? That's a lot of fucking photons
>laser cannon is a portable star turned into a laser pointer

>>534729581
/hdg/ is so diverse!

>>534728595
I don't think anybody would be nearly as upset if they just said "yea it was supposed to but we forgot" instead of just an asspull they tried to cover up with "muh realism". Granted I don't think it was an oversight, I believe it was intentional and the realism argument was just to try to justify in terms other than "alexus said so".

>>534729715
>he's right behind me, isn't he

>>534719646
>It's too hard to get a decent angle on the joint...
even if you have a shot, ttk with railgun is so long it's not even worth it. might as well just hold w and walk away from them at a leisurely pace.

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>>534728595
>>534729743
Demo force is just a fucking nothing burger, i legit dont understand why people cry about it.

Even if its demo force were to match the other AP choices, the piece shit would still be useless if not fully charged, have slow ass charge time with slow ass reload and terrible ammo economy, all just for an unrewarding average amount of damage on top of it having a small AoE that doesnt really match the big blue explosion.

>57 hours left on MO
>Side Objective was seemingly a waste of time
So is Joel going to throw in several 24 hour attacks at the last minute or was Charbal a complete waste of time?

>evacuate priority citizens
>bot drop called
>every single ship goes through the control tower and annihilates it's cargo on the way to the drop
They should leave that one in and only fix the enemies losing their weapons because this is so funny

fine I'll do it myself

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>>534730736
Cute femboy

>>534730513
Demo force is the value that dictates if the gun is allowed to blow up structures or not, people aren't complaining about the damage or AoE

I have all the eagle upgrades what should I do next

>>534730736
2/4

>>534730736
3/4

Did they nerf stun grenades? I've been noticing that unless the grenade explodes right under the feet of it, it won't stun a hulk.

>>534730736
fvll

>>534731554
They nerfed stun in general

>>534731554
They "fixed" (ruined) stun effects.

>>534731659
>>534731747
...but why? It's not like it was an S-tier thing to begin with.

>>534731816
Because Sweden

>>534731816
They fixed a bug that made stun better, because at AH shitting on bad status effects is more important than fixing actual bugs.

>>534731816
Because the stun effect was increased by 200% in a team of 4 people. So Ah removed that, but "buffed" it by increasing their stun by 20%. However, this has made stun much worse than before and was -frankly- an unnecessary change

>>534732060
>>534732210
Well, that sucks. It's so inconsistent with the actual enemies I would bring stun grenades for now that the Senator + stuns doesn't feel like a good solution anymore.

>>534732210
Was actually 300%. Also keep in mind they said they were changing it to be a "middle ground"
So in Swedish math, 20 is in the middle ground of 300

>>534732319
Yup. Blitzer now needs 2 shots to stun a normal overseer now. It staggers, but why the fuck just bring something staggers AND kills at the same time???
It genuinely feels like they just wanted to feel like they did work today so they fixed some obscure bug literally no one was complaining about. Fucking ridiculous.

>>534732210
My favorite part is that they broke gas and fire while implementing this bugfix nobody asked for and nobody needs
But you know, better nerf the weakest status effect and break the game than fix the filesize bloat, enemies walking through walls, the shit tier slow patching process or anything else that actually matters.

Did they even fix the motivational shocks affecting enemies bug? Webm anon... We need you

>>534730513
>Demo force is just a fucking nothing burger, i legit dont understand why people cry about it.
Personally I don't care about if it can break fences, sure it's stupid that it can blow up a tank but not a chain link fence. My big complaint is that instead of just holding the L or coming right out and saying "no demo force because we said so" they dance around going "it's because of the realism teehee! :^)". It's very indicative of the company as a whole, make a retarded decision and instead of owning it, or fixing it, they come up with some stupid reason for it and dig their heels in. The 60 patch cycle was an extreme anomaly in that behavior pattern.

Reminder that the language of the patch mentions all status effect damage, not just stun. So these changes are 100% intentional and you can expect that fire and gas will be "fixed" (read: nerfed) as well.

>>534734359
>when I'm in a misleading patch note competition and my opponent is arrowhead

>>534734359
I highly doubt DoTs just straight up not working if you're not in close proximity to the host was an intended change

>>534734598
no but the status affect changes to gas and fire make them less effective, which is intentional

the arc thrower exists

That it does

i don't exist

it's funny, I usually only played with 1 friend so all these status and DoT shit isn't any different for me. hulks have taken 2 zaps fro mthe arc thrower to stun for a year+ for me, and gas was incredibly strong. I can't imagine how insane gas and fire was in a full lobby if it was getting its fucking damage multiplied by 4 as well.

>>534736113
Well, gas mines were crazy strong against bugs for a reason

>>534736216
>it's just shitters complaining they can't be overpowered as fuck anymore and instead just have to be satisfied with being merely very good
shocking

>>534736854
Time to go back to the 500kg and Orbital Napalm Barrage like every other bug mission then?

>Nerf all status effects
>This pushes people to just build around the meta even more simply around TTK
>"Thats a good thing, actually"

what's the Arrowhead approved loadout? Anything niche that doesn't instant kill is out, obv, so what's the full point and click adventure set?

>>534737072
>S+++ tier option goes down to S tier
>it's now never worth taking
step out of the hyperbolic whine chamber, goku

Oh thats right devs lurk these threads to vent

>>534736113
>playing on a lower difficulty
>game is easier
shocking

>>534731816
>why nerf?
>it was S-tier
Exactly.

>>534737730
Arc was not S-tier, lmao.

>>534737573
If they're lurking how do you have any proof they're here?

>>534737730
Nice reading comprehension retard. Awaiting your shameful post deletion.

>>534737573
Fuck off, clankers

>>534737771
>Arc was not S-tier, lmao.

I really don't get these incomprehensibly scaled flat-number MO objectives. Planet contribution modifiers at least scale with player count, but how are they determining that 2.5M railcannon kills on chaff is even possible, let alone reasonable? They must have metrics showing how many unique players there are every 24 hours who play for at least 30 minutes.

It would be easy to just take that number and multiply it by like 200 for chaff/100 for elites/50 for heavies/20 for superheavies when determining a kill count under normal circumstances, but they still fucked up and needed every active player to kill like 100 leviathans during that previous MO.

For this, it shouldn't have required more than maybe 25-30 railcannon strikes on troopers per player given it's such an explicitly antithetical objective to how the railcannon is intended to be used. How are they fucking this up?

I dont think I can warp into these kinds of bunkers

>>534730736
3/4 again, taking a short break before we go for another

>>534737991
It's S-tier if S-tier means shit tier
It was already an extremly rare support weapon, that thing has a pickrate on par with the Sterilizer.
Now with the stun nerfs there is zero reason to use it. Slowly torturing enemies to death with stunlocking was its one and only strenght.

>>534738147
i just dive-blink through doors that dont let me in otherwise

>>534737771
>arc
>not S tier

>(You).
Don't.
Play.
The.
Game.

>>534737279
500kg
Eagle Airstrike/Strafing Run
Machine Gun Sentry
Recoilless Rifle

Eruptor/Liberator/Sickle/Whatever
Talon or Grenade Pistol

A pretty generic loadout that should cover all your bases.

>It's S-tier if S-tier means shit tier
>It was already an extremly rare support weapon
>Now with the stun nerfs there is zero reason to use it.
>Slowly torturing enemies to death with stunlocking was its one and only strenght.

>>534738509
>sentry
not ah approved, enemy ai targets them over players

>>534737771
>350 dmg ap9 stuntown autoaim bonanza
>not S++ tier because you're too retarded to figure out why it doesn't connect every blue moon
lol
lmao

>534738632
I accept your concession

>>534737991
>>534738443
>>534738632
>250 damage
>1 second charge time
>Need 15 shots to kill one charger
>Spending 15 seconds to kill one enemy
>Other Support weapons remove it entirely
>Completely useless when an enemy you cant stun appears
The fact some of you dont even know how much damage it even does is actually fucking hilarious.

Orbital Railcannon should have a 30-second cooldown.

Orbital Precision Strike should have a 30-second cooldown.

>>534738383
I didnt even know about this, thanks.

>>534739094
Granted, OPS has no splash, halved direct damage, they're just throwing a big rock out the airlock now. It can also ricochet again.

>>534739094
ORC should be 75s, OPS should be 60s and actually fucking kill things again.

>>534739187
HE'S FARMING SUPER CREDITS INSTEAD OF BUYING THEM SOMEONE FUCKING DO SOMETHING

Nope, not playing slop MOs

>>534739332
ORC at 75s would be massively underperforming compared to the EAT. It should be like 45s maximum to be be worth considering, while 30s would make it actually good.

The OPS should be 30s with the current damage profile or 45s if they give it the same single-target profile as the 500kg but with much worse AoE.

>>534738632
A single EAT does 20 times the durable damage in 1 second as opposed to the 20 seconds you have to spend praying the Arc doesn't get cockblocked by foliage to match the EAT.
Double the math for two EATs.

>>534739734
You're not considering ship upgrades and how massively easier, faster, and more consistent ORC is than the EAT.

Man...I wish the shipmaster was white

I want to personally flay every square inch of skin from whichever fucking nigger implemented this

>>534739947
Ship upgrades give 15% CD reduction to both support weapons and orbital strikes.

The ORC is easier to use than the EAT but the reliability is entirely dependent on difficulty level. It becomes much less reliable on higher difficulties where you can readily expect to see three or more heavies or superheavies active at the same time. It's also significantly less versatile than the EAT - it can't be used at long range, can't be banked ahead of time, is subject to the ship's firing angle, and can fail at targeting certain objectives structures.

The EAT should be better in the hands of a skilled player, but the ORC should be close enough that it's a worthwhile option when you want to take another support weapon.

>>534740139
It's to ensure you don't take up precious server data by refreshing pinging too often, chud.

>>534740639
Yeah, I just don't agree, 30s is too short. Make it too short and it completely solos one entire aspect of a mission (heavies). Red stratagems shouldn't be available so frequently that a single one of the locks down an entire stratum of the mission (heavies, mediums, chaff) on its own.

>>534740901
Orbital napalm barrage being the worst offender

>>534741035
Not on its own but when every single person brings one, yeah. Although, that could just be said to be the benefit of coordination between players, to be fair. It wouldn't shut down ALL chaff like a ORC would shut down all heavies if it came off CD every 26.5 seconds.

Chud divers, Im going into dif5, and I want only your brownest loadouts.

>>534736216
>enemies programmed with zero survival instinct and ignore all obstacles to zerg rush
>wow these area denial strats are really good, better nerf them instead of tweaking the AI

>>534741553
Quasar, shield backpack, 500kg, 380mm barrage, fire breaker, grenade pistol, impact grenades, democracy protects armor.

>>534739549
The fact that they changed how bunkers work specifically for this makes me think they are planning to do something drastic to devalue super credits.

>>534741715
The only AI tweak the retarded swedes know how to do is to increase the accuracy and make them one-shot you. (And shave of 20 FPS in the process)

>>534740901
>Make it too short and it completely solos one entire aspect of a mission
Enemy density should also be much higher. Having two players carry the ORC with a 30-second cooldown wouldn't trivialize heavies on higher difficulties. By contrast, having one player carry a Railgun and another carry a RR already does trivializes heavies on bots, while two RR players will trivialize heavies on bugs. We need more enemies spawning and we need stronger tools to deal with enemies.

>>534616818
It can't guarantee a BT kill TODAY, man.

>>534741946
>Enemy density should also be much higher
Okay, but that's another issue that completely changes the entire game. We're talking about making changes to something now, in the current game.

>>534741760
My guess is that they were forced to do it to avoid backlash because they couldn't figure out how to stop players from teleporting inside.

>>534742062
Make it 45 seconds for the current game, then. 75 seconds for the ORC is still so awful that I'd never consider taking it over the RT or EAT or even the Quasar. ORC can't reliably deal with bile titans and is pretty ineffectual against factory striders, while 1-3 rockets can quickly deal with either of your aim is even halfway decent.

>>534742374
Yeah, I still don't know. ORC sits in that same category as EATs do, where it's a "supplemental" strategem rather than a primary one you should be relying on for whatever it counters. I'm afraid of making it too everpresent especially when the OPS is still suffering so much.

>>534741946
>Enemy density should also be much higher.
Then the game will revolve around stratagems and AOE weapons even more, slower weapons and variety will die out. Warframe did that exact thing and it ruined its balance.

>>534742740
Not to mention the Illuminate does that and nobody plays them lmao

>>534742674
All they need to do to fix OPS is to give it around 50% more damage at the center of its radius and reduce its base cooldown to around 50 seconds so that it's more or less on par with the 500kg but more oriented toward precise strikes.

Botniggers, explain to me why you are not able to complete your cakewalk MO even though Joel has granted you overpowered use of the orbital railcannon. Joel is railroading you so hard and yet you still fail. Let's not forget you also flubbed the side order.

>>534743648
Go dive bots and see for yourself

>>534743206
People hate the Illuminate because of fleshmobs and flying overseers. They ought to replace fleshmobs with those big, armored, four-armed brutes from old leaks and smooth out the overseer flying movement.

>>534743648
This anon would rather argue about the same tired bullshit day after day instead of playing the game, or doing anything else at all. Don't be like him.

>>534743724
I never see anyone actually fight the horde though. Most people just throw a gas grenade and run away or do an orbital gas strike. Fleshmobs just exacerbated the issue and further pushed this meta.

>>534743724
The problems with squids:
>Voteless have two healthbars
>Overseers and their fuckoff ablative armor
>Meatballs existing
>Leviathan doesn't have a weakpoint
Am I missing anything

>>534743724
No I just hate how buggy it is.
Like flesh mobs phasing through walls, overseers flying to the ceiling, watchers calling from behind a rock, and harvesters getting stagger locked when I shoot their toes.

>>534743721
bot are the easiest faction in the game

>>534743895
I throw fire nades for voteless, and sentries for overseers. Flesh mobs you ignore, because that's what you're supposed to do. You focus objectives.

>>534744423
Notice how every strat involves the tactic of actually avoiding fighting the illuminate

>>534742374
>>534742674
I'd just nerf orc damage and give it 30 second cooldown. Deal enough damage to one shot warstriders, but not bile titans.

>>534743956
Yes
>no original objective
>lame and boring
>dogshit xp
>missions have barely anything to do in them

>>534744418
Then go grind trooper kills, genius. It shouldn't be too hard for someone with such a huge brain.

>Voteless:
>You can pop their heads to kill them quickly
>You can cut off their legs to make them into a non-threat and bleed them out
>You can shoot them in the gut to kill them easily despite being slower and less efficient

>Fleshmobs:
>Popping heads does no extra damage
>Shooting their legs does nothing at all
>Your only option is to shoot them in the gut

I don't get what they were thinking.

Removing durable and rebalancing part health/armor would greatly improve the game.

>>534744721
>I don't get what they were thinking.
They wernt

>>534744590
Have you ever played helldivers 1?
It worked like that too. You aimed center mass and killed shit as it walked towards you, you avoid alarms and complete objectives.

Illuminate are basically the closest to HD1 we've gotten

>>534744852
>Illuminate are basically the closest to HD1 we've gotten
Show me the zombie slop they had in HD1

>>534744721
Bullet sponge that you cc with gas.

>>534744743
Remove limb health and just make shit take damage to main and bonus damage if you headshot it.

>>534744647
There's something fundamentally unsatisfying about landing a direct hit on a bile titan with a high-caliber artillery shell fired from orbit and NOT seeing it immediately crumple from the kinetic energy alone.

>>534744647
OPS needs to be the lower side 30 second cooldown heavy killer bomb. The ORC needs to be the longer cooldown backbreaker, even if that cooldown is somewhere around 60 seconds.

>>534744852
I'd rather the vote less were replaced with swarms of little drones shining blue lights at you. Call them Minnows or Piranhas if you want to keep with the Illuminate's new aquatic theme.

>>534744418
I doubt bugniggers will able to win a MO where you have to kill 1 million scavengers with the ORC

>>534744956
So cyborgs?
I'm talking gameplay retard.

>>534745272
So the Illuminate in HD2 are nothing like the ones in HD1.

>pubbies complement your FRV skills
All those hours of playing Twisted Metal when I was 8 are paying off

>>534745025
That is the design of newer units. With them having poor limb to main health ratio, limb durable and limb explosion resist, they are basically just their main health pool. It's weird that most people don't see it.

>>534745196
Maybe, I think the one problem I have with voteless is that they kinda suck to target. Bugs you get this huge hit box for the head, and the legs are easy to take off at a moments notice.
Ayys it's like just lol click heads for marginally faster kill time, and just aim at feet.

>>534745360
I wish they were an army composed primarily of elites (overseers, cultists, chair guys) with only drones and striders to fill in the gaps. Fewer enemies but each of them was much closer to fighting us as a peer.

>>534745360
Doesn't matter I'm talking about running and gunning

>>534745360
>In HD1 you aim center mass and killed shit as it walked towards you, avoid alarms and complete objectives.
>The Illuminate in HD2 is the closest HD2 gets to how HD1 played.
>You somehow twist this into arguing that the Illuminate have changed as a faction, which is obvious, despite that having nothing to do with the argument.
Are you stupid, or an ESL?

Where do Illuminate get their zombies from anymore?
The whole gimmick was that they were hopping around raiding planets for bodies but they settled down in the bottom of the map, took a few planets, and then didn't do anything else.
Unless the faction is majorly retooled to have the zombies as a sub-faction or seed/mission dependent I have no idea how the Illuminate can continue to exist in the galactic war without becoming more overseer/elite enemy focused.

>>534746084
For the same reason why you still rescue civilians on planets occupied by the enemies for months now. Realism when it's only convenient for us but not for you.

>>534745673
>>The Illuminate in HD2 is the closest HD2 gets to how HD1 played.
And in both games theyre the least played.
Good faction

>>534746438
That post is saying that the way the HD2 Illuminate play is the same as ALL the factions from HD1, due to the way HD1 is structured.

>>534745392
I had a match the other day with a korean FRV driver, reminded me why asians can't drive.

>>534745392
Driving FRV is easy. Just lay off on the gas and stop slamming into shit.

>>534746997
Knowledge of what you can/cannot run over safely helps tremendously too. Handbrake is also OP as fuck for quick turns.

>>534746767
Asian driver no survivors

>>534746997
Except in vietnam planets. Every tiny fucking rock can flip that thing.

>>534746229
The mission types would make more sense is the galactic war was more dynamic. But the impossibility of capturing planets without 80% participation and the short as fuck timers on defense means that we can't really have a dynamic map.

>if you're covered in x faction blood then jump to a system controlled by y faction, the blood changes color to match

Swden...

>>534730736
ggs, SC farming for a few minutes then logging off

>>534730736
GG bros
the mechs have once again won the day

>>534749498
when that MW5 clan invasion dlc drops we oughta play that shit

Hey bro, I see youre shooting at me. Unfortunately I've decided ignore the suppression mechanic and land every single shot and gun you down and make you look like a shitter in front of everyone.

>>534751949
That shit has been happening to me all day. Despite the fact I'm using a high stagger weapon, and the fact their weapon is physically faced away from me.

>>534751949
>make you look like a shitter
He didn't do shit, you were already shit. Learn to aim or lower the difficulty.

>>534751949
look?

>>534752129
Your insecurity is showing.

>>534752230
Lower. The. Difficulty. It's not that hard.

>>534752230
>>534752341

>>534728595
>I feel like it was meant to have demo force but they forgot to put it in and are covering their ass
I feel like the inverse happened. This is the chain of events that I think happened. They didn't forget to give the epoch demo force. That was fully intentional on their part. What they forgot was why they decided to not give the scorcher/plasma punisher demo force, and now they've just got it stuck in their head that plasma=no-demo force.
>Scorcher and Plasma Punisher don't have demo force because they didn't want primary weapons to destroy spawners because primary weapons have an excessive supply of ammo for destroying spawners. However there was a trend in that laser weapons like the LC, quasar, and orbital laser gain demo force compared to their primary/secondary cousins.
>When democratic detonation WB released, they decided that they're actually ok with primaries destroying stuff. Unsure if this warbond was supposed to be a special exception, or if they actually had a change of heart. Regardless, Alexus hates buffing things so he didn't go around granting demo force to the scorcher/PP.
>Later the purifier and loyalist are added, and now I suppose the mindset over there is "plasma doesn't have demo force because...JUST BECAUSE!!"
>This isn't that big of an issue for the playerbase since primary/secondary weapons lacking demo force is mostly standard with only the DD warbond weapons being big exceptions.
>Fast forward to the anti-tank epoch weapon and alexus still has his foot up his ass thinking "It doesn't have demo force because it's plasma".
>This is stupid and immersion breaking on its face since you have this big fuckoff explosion that kills tanks, but it can't scratch a sheet metal box.
>It also completely ignores the precedent that weapons tend to gain demo force when upgraded to a stratagem.

>$25 for all 4 with weapons and shipping
Someone talk me out of this

>>534752602
You'd be paying $25 for pussy repellant.

>The galactic war is player driven, bro. Therefore, its impossible for Joel to rig it!
Redditors actually believe this

>>534752685
It is true. And no amount of seething over Joel and Alexus will change that.

>>534752675
are you implying anon gets pussy

>>534752774
>Alexus
>Galactic war
Weak bait. Bringing in unrelated parties. Using bait buzzwords. 2/10. Conclusion: Get better bait.

>>534752602
>It's all the same variant of B-01 instead of having all 4
Garbage. They look fine to me desu, but I don't really buy collectors' items.

>>534752675
I have not touched the flesh of a woman in months anon. These little bastards I can hide around my desk.

>>534730513
>Demo force is just a fucking nothing burger, i legit dont understand why people cry about it.
Because demo force would unironically give the weapon a niche. In its use-cases the thing is basically a worse quasar or a worse railgun however you slice it. If the thing could just close bugholes then you could at least say:
>Yeah, it's a worse railgun/quasar, but there sure are a lot of bug holes in this mega nest and the epoch's low power shots are more capable of closing them quickly than the quasar or railgun.
Especially if they were also to reworked the magazine economy to 4-5 round magazines.

However since they are dead set on giving the thing fuckall demo force and pretending that this is realistic instead of immersion breaking, then the thing is just reduced to being a worse railgun/quasar.

>>534752602
>anon is a consoooomer

>>534732613
Nobody was asking for a fix, but Alexus was SEETHING that the shock grenade launcher was killing things instead of stunning them.

buy the pussy repellant

helldivers 2 is already in my library

>>534740901
Heavies should be more common, but the stalwart and Flag brigade start seething about muh build variety.

Epoch
-Can move while reloading
-damage increase to 2000-2000 from 800-800
-AP5 at all charges instead of just max
-5 rounds per magazine
-demo force from 0 to 50

i fixed it

Fuck everyone one of you faggots, like people on this website don't buy anime figurines. I'm just going to buy it, don't know why I bothered asking here

>>534741760
They're probably going to slowly decrease the bunker spawn rate.

>>534753587
Why are you pretending to be me but a dick about it?

>>534743557
OPS would return to being one of my absolute favorite stratagems if it would delete things within ~5 to 10 meters of the point of impact instead of needing a direct fucking hit to kill heavies.

>>534753587
oh no no no lego bros not like this

>>534753557
>not synching the "overcharge" visual cue with when you actually enter the overcharged state
So close anon.

I like the epoch as is I think you guys should git gud

I think its fine the Epoch is a bot only weapon

get rid of the spread and I will have no complaints

>>534754217
>>534754309
>>534754373
This is all the same guy, I'd bet my left nut on it.
Anyway, shit bait, go touch grass.

>>534754495
sorry lance, spread is fucking gay on any weapon

>>534753587
In either case it might as well be a funko pop, kill yourself.

>>534754495
i think its fine as a bot only weapon you fucking schizo. spreadfags are whiny cunts

>>534754630
>inspect element

>>534754630
kill yourself. if I have to deal with noodle arm sway, bullet drop, and height over bore bullshit in a pve game, I don't want spread

>>534754754
case in point on whiny cunts

Joel and Alexus deserve to be raped by roving packs of gorillas

all spread does is artificially limit the max range, which is *checks notes* already artificially limited

>>534754589
>>534754630
>same theme
>same timezone
Yep samefag

>>534755112
nah cause he's a gay nerftroon that likes artificial difficulty