#6546 - Oops, All Tuners! / DJ, I think this record's a dud edition

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This DBP is sadly dead on arrival.

>he didn't trust the plan

Thoughts on Killer Tune?

>>534771982
i like the art

>>534771814 (OP)
Btw
You can used Tuner that treated itself as non-Tuner, so you can access other Synchro Tuner
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Treats_itself_as_a_non-Tuner_monster

Play or skip this deck?

The all tuner restriction is so annoying.

The only play that might be worth it is splashing in a visas engine to make amritara and put up the counter trap for an omni.

Running bricks like hyde ride is not worth it.

>>534771968
El Vicente

>>534772048
Nooo don't make me run Atriii again I don't wanna brick on her anymore!!!

>>534771827
Dawg we are not fucking playing motherfucking Hydlide just so we can access the generic synchro tuner pool
It really does not inspire confidence when this is how limited the deck's toolboxing is

>>534772048

>you control

Imagine wasting your normal summon on this

Killer Tune is if Solfachord (bad music deck) and Ursarctic (bad synchro deck with middling turn 0 capabilities with locks and conditions basically cutting it off from making any sort of generic synchro) had a baby

>almost half an hour has passed
>exordio hasn't released a video yet
yugioh is so over bros

More like Shriller Tune

https://ygorganization.com/thenkillertunewouldbeplatinum/

Xth for D/D

>>534771982
Very cool Deltarune reference!

>>534772784
based

Doesn't matter how good/bad the deck is, this open the new door
Card that say
>Apply its effect that activates if its battle/destroy card by battle/inflict battle damage

What are Gachiakuta characters doing in Yugioh?

>>534772784
Always has been a kino deck.

shouldn't we be getting info about the albaz structure deck soon? or after power of fellows?

>>534772982

>>534771982
art is hideous, also cringey playstyle

>>534772123
deck is broken, redseal floodgates all the yummys

>Clip + O-lion into turn 0 BRD boardwipe
yay, and then what?

>look up twitter responses
>people are seriously claiming this looks good (playability-wise)
lmao what is wrong with twitterfags, can they think for more than 10 seconds?

So Killer Tune is missing a main deck monster to be revealed. A

>>534772982
they've already done that back in 2006

>>534773263
no, it's missing clip's synchro form

These have some cool effects but theyre kinda lacking with the board making, and their lock is pretty strict. It's just wave 1(and it's missing 1 more card) so it's too early to say.

>>534773218
Normal summon Chudra
Response?

it's impossible to care about killer tune after we just got enneacraft. they're just so much less interesting.

>poopulum
>interesting

>>534771982
The most annoying part is gonna be the ED rip. We're gonna go back to having to play multiples of cards in the extra once this comes out.

Ancient Guardians 2, Electric Boogaloo. Absolute trash all around.

>>534773691
>random ED rips
Wow it's nothing

>>534773218
The level 4 doesnt have a synchro quick effect

When are the new Vylons coming?

>>534773489
>Mannadium but good
>Hecatoncheires are ass but this looks decent
lmao

Apologize to this Deck Build Pack.

Save Phantom Revengers, Enneacraft and Goddus!

>>534774009
Never!

Get out of my way, you dweeb.
(Bumps into you on purpose)

>>534774080
*rapes you*

>>534774009
i cant, even as an ogdo fan even the legacy support it got was a massive embarrassment.

>>534774009
I'm not apologizing for shit, this set sux balls and it's a tragedy that this is only just known as "the worst Deck Build Pack" because it is so unfathomably worse than that

>>534773694
Enneacraft will be tiered

>>534774009
Only took 4 years but solfacord finally became a tier 4 deck

come on ygoprodevs
put them in fast

>>534774141
Thank god they put a two turn Reptile lock on this instead of giving it a less generic condition, it was almost not completely terrible and something you could have conceivable fun experimenting with so I'm glad they made it just as bad as every Ogdoadic "boss" that preceded it
I mean what if the Ogdoadic player summoned it on the opponent's turn? And did absolutely nothing because the second effect is an ignition. Broken! IMAGINE THE TURN 0 PLAYS OF LOCKING YOURSELF FOR TWO TURNS TO SUMMON A VANILLA IF THE OPPONENT MILLS OFF TZV BROOOOKEN

>>534773590
enneacraft is unplayable don't gaslight yourself

>the best Killer Tune is level 2
>DARK one can be used to bypassing this card restriction
So they really want to play KT with Junk Synchron deck, huh?
Really, its seem the remaining 6 is make or break for both deck

>>534774739
No card would have been an objective improvement over Nephilabyss btw

>>534771982
>Mechanics that work on music equipment, that are also musicians themselves.
>Yo dawg, I tuned all your tuners, so you can tune while you tune.
>Jet Set Radiooooh
I really want to like it, but it just makes me tired. I need to see this concept handled by someone else.

2 slots left.

>>534775268
so
>ennea 3rd spell
>killertune other level 3
gonna bet spell is gonna be a way to force a flip and other level 3 will be some stupid tuner shit

>>534771982
Sex art/10
Will play even if it's shit

who is the quick play monster supposed to be in the art
a new one? or the level 3 one i can't tell

>>534775398
>ennea 3rd spell
Its trap
>killertune other level 3
Its the other synchro

>>534774908
My shitty ignition reborn effect generic enough that Konami felt fit to put a two turn lock on it that also only happens to conflict with uhhhh five of the fucking Ogdoadics because Konami forgot they gave this deck the """gimmick""" of tributing 2-3 monsters on field as cost and also the tri-type Reptile support they literally printed the set before and after
No reason why it couldn't just reborn itself if an Ogdoadic is on field or if an Ogdoadic if special summoned from the GY as an easily triggerable effect for the deck

One day they will unban kit and unlimit tear and it will have the same impact that dragon rulers had when those were all unlimited.

Killer tune seems like it wouldn’t have topped 5 years ago

>>534775487
It's Red Seal.

>>534774870
Yes, that's right. Downplay them so I can get a full play set for under $30 just like Mitsurugi.

>>534775583
Yeah because Covid was 5 years ago and there were no events nigga.

>>534775268
Ennea desperately needs something like Final Battle

>>534774009
It does not matter if we get a mid DBP once in a while, I will continue making fun of this absolute travesty of card design and no amount of "ANGU 2!!1!" will change that.

>>534776030
yeah. i've been using non-archetypal cards to flip them face up more easily than their own conditions, but it'd be really nice to have a searchable way to do that.

>>534776030
*Fiendess

>>534775509
nepthilabyss just feels so weird next to the other ogdos
>ignores the tribute gimmick
>doesnt force your opponent to do something to trigger aron/amnesia
>has an extremely restrictive lock if you summon it the intended way despite the rest of the archetype having only a temp lock
>does literally nothing for the deck and its infinite builds because its just a reborn on legs and ogdos issue isnt getting things out of the grave
it genuinely feels like they made an entirely different card and only retroactively added the ogdo name onto it. ragnaraika was more of ogdo support than a named card

Please look forward to my remaining SD cards tomorrow.

Sonic Duck will be the TURN 0 CIRCULAR that makes SPEEDER ALWAYS RESOLVE. Trust the plan.

>>534772123
this sounds boring on paper

what is the point of this in the broader context of the cardpool?

>>534773821
You don't have to synchro into Killer Tune with Clip, just any Synchro Tuner
Clip with O-lion in hand > Quandax with spawn token > BRD

>Every Yugioh thread I have open has the ad with dogs shitting.
The universe just knows.

>>534776536
It's baffling that Konami elected to just give Ogdoadics Scapegoat and a card as bad as Nephilabyss when the infinitely more clever option would have been printing a monster that reborns 4 Ogdoadics like
>You can discard this card: Special Summon 1 Ogdoadic monster from your GY
>If this card is Special Summoned from the GY: Special Summon 2 Ogdoadic monsters from your GY
>You can banish this card from your GY: Special Summon 1 Ogdoadic monster from your GY
And then make Daybreak something else
It would have been an infinitely clever way to utilize the Ogdoadic gimmick of reborning a bunch of monsters and also being a *wink wink* card that lets you theoretically shit out either Zer'Oll and Shocktrooper or the shitty ass Ogdoadic bosses rather than whatever shitty combo Konami intended that involves you tributing all your tokens for Aron and Amunessia then somehow needing more set up just to shit out Ogdoabyss too
The worst part about Nephilabyss is that he could have been literally anything else, another S/T searcher, an actual playstarter so you're not reliant on Lios or the Mitsurugi that came YEARS later, an actual starter for Nunu and then he's a shitty fucking brick with a two turn lock for an ignition effect

>>534775525
Unplayers will still seethe about them long past that point of irrelevancy.

>>534773346
No, I mean how it skips from 33 to 35 in the set numbering.

I love synchro so much bros. I want to fuck a tuner.

>>534771982
I don't think this will be bad. The disruption effects when synchro summoned and the ability to reuse them with the Loudness and the trap can add up. Also, Redseal is a monster negate. Idk if it's tier 1 but it will definitely see some play. Don't forget there's still 1 more card that needs to be revealed.

>>534776595
I won't. They should never print Yusei support ever again.

Is O-lion a 3 of in Killer Tune?

What does this deck do against VSK9 or Dracotail in a Turn 0-off
What does this deck do against Yummy like at all

>>534780194
Uhhhh you can bounce their guy or destroy a s/t?

>>534780084
I know right, they should print more Jack and Crow support instead.

Kawaii Father.

>>534773183
But enough about Maliss

>>534780601
>Dragunity Darkspear is actually huge.

>>534780121
Probably not

What was the point of the Earthbound Prisoner reprint given that the line you'd want to do in Ground Keeper into Line Walker into Harmonic Synchro Fusion doesn't fucking work and both Ground Keeper/Killer Tune have conflicting normals

>>534771175
>>534771038
Because Red Seal completely floodgates both those decks, and KT can do that turn 0.

>>534782398
Stone Sweeper searches Reco. The reprint seems pretty self-explanatory.

>>534782573
>Stone Sweeper is a generic Lv3 or lower Fiend Tuner searcher
Ah missed that part

>>534782398
>why did they reprint a rota for a level 3- fiend tuner for the deck with a level 3 fiend tuner
hmm, no idea

>People hate handtraps
>Killer Tune is an anti-handtrap deck
>People still complain
It's funny to me that it flew over everyone's heads that most Hand Traps are tuners. KT's pretty much always live.

>>534782965
Im stealing this cute face image of my flat wife

>>534782965
>Oh, like Izuna?
>no as in you get a minor ATK boost if your opponent handtraps you
wow

>>534782965
It's not anti habdtrap. It just utilises that they exist.

>>534782570
Ext send Aggregator
Yummy Surprise or the Field Spell boost

Lol Troonsei and Troonchro lost.

>>534783058
Kek

>>534782965
Roze sex

>>534783246
Read >>534772347
Again
Second effect.

Not to mention the hand trap tuner is gonna rip one of your ED monsters, and the other is gonna blow up your field when they syncro up.

>>534774009
Nowadays which one of those is the worst?

>>534783430
Read Aggregator please

>>534783430
Third effect I mean.

Also, if KT knows they're up against Ryzeal, and Aggregator is the only out to Red Seal, then they're gonna wait till you summon Ext to play Clip.

And that's Turn 0.

If KT went first, Ryzeal has no way to stop them as the Level 6 Syncro gives targeting and destruction protection.

>>534783620
>Target
Read
>>534783647
>>534773626

>>534780121
What level 7/8 are you making

>>534783519
Ursarctic
At least Solfa and Ogdos can cope with Pendslop and Mitsurugi, not even Drytron wants to be paired with space bears

>>534782965
>Killer Tune is an anti-handtrap deck
Good handtraps:
Nibiru
Izuna
Droll
Imperm (?)
Dominus
Charmies

Tuner doko?

>>534772123
Play with Reco’s tits
>>534783647
How many Aggregator do people even play now? If they aren’t doubling up you just Clip it and gg.

>>534783880
Ghost Girls and Veiler.
Ash is still a 3 of in every deck in Master Duel

>>534783970
Clip is random.
It's not Kashtira Unicorn.

>>534783880
Is Ash era over already?

>>534783647
>>534783745
>umm the Killer Tune player can just wait until the Ext is used
And then die to the Detonator or Cross, dumbass?
>uh if they're going second they can high roll into both the level 6 and 4
Mitsurugi or Fiendsmith, please rape this retarded man that thinks his 1/15 ED rip is optimal, please rape this dumb nigger arguing off the back of Mischief of the Gnomes pass

>MitsuRyzeal, Maliss, Yummy, VSK9, and Dracotail when you hit em with that dollar store Anarchist Monk of the Six Samurai-ass floodgate

Killer Tune niggas be like
>Broken...

>>534784002
>>534784094
>Ash
Is there to check the charmies and maybe piss off a brandedfaggot at your local

>all tuners
>all synchros don't even need non tuners
>can synchro from hand
>and play turn 0
damn

Killer Tune niggas be like
>but he got that S/T pop a new chain doe

>>534772123
>can only activate 2 times per turn
kek what

>RoTA can be activated twice
The lock is a shame but still neat

>>534784695
>>534784724
Because they're Twoners

>>534784112
Read Clip again idiot. It can summon itself any time during your opponent's turn.

As soon as you put two bodies on the board they're going summon Clip and start to combo.

Upon Syncro, they get an ED rip, and a monster/st pop. So goodbye Cross. We also don't know what their 4th main deck Tuner is like as well.

Also, you forget that this is a monster Killer Tune can make turn 0 as well.

>>534784426
>lower
Useless against Yummy
>increase
AAIIIIIEEE SAVE ME LITTLE KNIGHT-SAMA

yeah, killer tune is gonna be meta

>>534785246
>this is a monster Killer Tune can make turn 0 as well
Which level 4 would Killer Tune run to make this?

>>534784479
Ash stops Mistu spells.

>>534785246
>turn 0 silvera
Would be impressive if this wasn't Labrynth's bread and butter t0 play since AGOV.

>>534785460
:^)

Activate >>534774778
And Syncro it with >>534774461
To pop a spell, rip ED and make >>534773803
Use this effect to summon Reco, search pic rel or the unreleased Tuner, and Syncro into
>>534772347
or a Level 6 while popping one monster, or whatever the unreleased Tuner does.

It feels like the deck is missing a piece. If the unreleased Tuner lets you Syncro on turn 0 as well, then the deck will be VERY good.

>>534785701
>tuner
Read Silvera again.
>>534785735
>activate Clip
>synchro with Reco
>make Remix
Read Remix again.

Yugioh needs more fairies.

>>534785954
Oh, that's annoying...
Then what the fuck can you even do then?
I guess the deck was intentionally gimped on Turn 0 because it can rip 6 from ED if it goes first...

>>534786276
She looks like she's enjoying that.

>>534786276
Fairies in YGO are devil incarnate, remember Lee?

>>534780164
Love me some chicks with gas masks.

>>534786350
>rip 6 from ED if it goes first
Dogmatika can do that easily and it still is shit

>>534786530
Yeah, but Dogmatika is also not setting up a Level floodgate with a negate and targeting/destruction protection, as well as multiple syncro effects that also have multiple types of interaction you can do on your opponent's turn.

>>534786276

>tuner lock
>but not a maindeck/synchro tuner lock, just a tuner lock
reminder that the strongest monster of 2017 exists

>>534785246
>As soon as you put two bodies on the board they're going summon Clip and start to combo.
And then you get Aggregatored dumbass
>Upon Syncro, they get an ED rip, and a monster/st pop. So goodbye Cross. We also don't know what their 4th main deck Tuner is like as well.
>monster/st pop
You mean the monster pop they don't get because you made the one that requires a specific mat that pops S/T
You mean the random ED rip you are gambling a 1/15 to work? Jesus christ retard any variant of Ryzeal is going to casually force you to prematurely fire Clip in which it immediately gets dealt with from Onomat Ryzeal, Mitsu Ryzeal or even Fiendsmith Ryzeal

After careful consideration the comity has decided that White Forest is in fact the best deck in Yugioh.
Thank you for your time.

>>534785246
>1 non Tuner
REad The cARD
God this nigger is so dumb, he literally thinks there is any point in which he is allowed to fire and resolve Silva that will stop the Ryzeal player's turn

>>534787017
built for ___

Next powercreep will be
>If this card is in your Deck (Quick Effect):

>>534787356
we're gonna spend the next 2.5 years catching up every legacy support wave with a t0 starter and then roll this out right when you think you've adjusted

>can treat it as a non-tuner
Grea-
>If this card you CONTROL
Not like this...

>>534786276
No

Killer Tune is the sort of deck that keeps getting worse the more you think about it and let the lacking elements sink in
You'll anguish in the ANGU-ish design

>>534787356
a new zone for special red cards that you can put into your hand during your turn 1 card at a time

>>534787931
Nah, it'll be paired with an X-Sabers deck based on the same Tuner Synchro gimmick, and become absolutely ridiculous.

Everyone said K-9 was mid on reveal too, now look at it.

>>534771982
>another turn 0 play deck
god I love konami

>>534787965
This is the inevitable solution to counter turn 0 plays.

>>534787356
I have a better idea:
$200 extra deck card which you can reveal then remove it from play at the start of the game to:
If going first: draw a card
If going second: check top 7 of your deck and add 1 card to your hand

>>534773046
>>534772572
>twice per turn
The last card better be a S/T recycler

>>534788060
Everyone said Izuna was the new staple handtrap actually

Can we have OSS back pls?

Year of fire is over a while ago already, lil bro

Remembering that one person that complained about how Yummy Snatchy can't be treated as a Level 1 Tuner for generic Synchro plays and I'm reminded of that for Killer Tune except unlike Yummy holy fucking shit does it come up with how Killer Tunes can't be treated as non-Tuners or use themselves in the hand as material
I'm not sure, but doesn't Imperm just flat out stop you from using the field effect to use a Tuner from hand as Synchro material? You'd have to open either the field or quickplay to extend past that
No Non-Tuners means you're stuck solely using shit like O-Lion or Red Rose to have any access to generic Synchro pools sans an exceptionally limited pool of cards like Gottoms or Visas. You can't even use garbage like Atrii or Hydride because they need the normal and you can't synchro with the Killer Tunes from hand

Loli lolicon archetype with lolicon lolis when?

>>534788673
Also lol at Clip being opponent's MP only after Yummy Snatchy was both MP
No chainblocking for you chud better play the quickplay and lock yourself

>>534788835
Your Traptrix?

>>534788242
a bunch of text but in YGO term
>If going second, during Standby Phase: Reveal this card in Extra Deck, add 1 "Kuriboh" from outside of deck to the hand. Once per duel.

Oh christ I can't believe I didn't bring this up, but Killer Tune is very obviously inspired by Draco Tail with the effects when used as ED material and reliance on cards in hand and utilizing handtraps as material but wow does Killer Tune not remotely work like Dracotail can, it feels very much like the Ursarctic to Dracotail's Drytron in which most of what made Dracotail/Drytron work was stripped away and this is what we're left with

>>534771982
It's concept is neat, the art is nice but I feel the gameplay is undercooked, but we still have the remaining (presumably Level 3 Tuner) in 034 to see as well as follow-up and adjacent support.
The agony will come when the TCG doesn't showcase the fact that the Tuner in hand Synchro thing is a condition and therefore cannot be negated.
Parts I don't like about it are
>Reliant on the opponent to play certain cards to do some stuff (ATK gains based on Tuners in the opponent's field/GY)
>Field Spell is a 2-card combo e-tele when other decks can shit out searches and shit with no effort
>Banishing Tuners is an actual slow-burn cost that eliminates your plays over time when everyone else seems to recycle their shit for free
Overall very weird deck but I'm optimistic. By virtue of archetype design patterns we should be getting
>Level 3 Tuner (Mix and Clip are 2s, Reco and ??? are 3s)
>Clip's Thunder Synchro with named material (Mix and Reco have one, Clip does not)
>Level 3 Tuner's Synchro with named material
Thankfully that is it, which is nice unless they start adding even more Tuners then suddenly they need their own Synchros etc.

>>534788835
Prisma archetype SOON

>>534788673
>I'm not sure, but doesn't Imperm just flat out stop you from using the field effect to use a Tuner from hand as Synchro material?
That is a condition, not an effect. But good look explaining that to people at locals when the TCG doesn't differentiate Conditions and Continuous Effects

>>534788673
>doesn't Imperm just flat out stop you from using the field effect to use a Tuner from hand as Synchro material?
it's a condition, not an effect

>>534788673
>I'm not sure, but doesn't Imperm just flat out stop you from using the field effect to use a Tuner from hand as Synchro material?
No, it doesn't.

>>534789253
I'm convinced it's gonna have a partner archetype to pair with. My money is on X-Saber Killer Tune being the next BDIF.

next we will have a turn 0 zone
>at the start of the duel, place 5 turn 0 cards in this zone
>those cards can be used any time during your oppoenents turn

>>534789613
Literally just Skills. Just implement and print Skills at that point.

>>534789439
>>534789465
>>534789538
Ah, I was wondering if it was a condition or effect.
Well, in that regard, Killer Tune doesn't lose to Imperm, but it does kinda eat shit to Ghost Ogre or other Turn 0 decks, especially since most competent Turn 0 decks do not give a shit whose turn it is when doing Turn 0

>>534789195
>Now you know why fusion is the superior summoning method

>>534789684
this is a bit different
>any card that can activate in the hand as a quick effect goes here
>it becomes public knowledge
>you start the duel with 5 drawn cards + 5 turn 0 cards
>you don't necessarily have to place all turn 0 cards here, you can use it as a sort of bluffing tool and draw your actual turn 0 cards

>>534789439
>But good luck explaining that to people at locals when the TCG doesn't differentiate Conditions and Continuous Effects
This is genuinely going to be so obnoxious because for the most part, the opponent just has to take you at your word or you have to start explaining how OCG card text is laid out and how effects work before using Neuron to search up the card, changing the language to Japanese and running through it.
Why won't those lazy assholes at the TCG just use the number system?

>>534787356
Don Thousand in Zexal anime already did that

Pretend I'm a new player with basic-level ruling knowledge. Explain the difference between negating an effect and negating an activation in a way that won't make me mad.

>>534790556
Both stop an effect, but if anything interacts with the activation of a card, negating the activation prevents that too.
Like a Spell saying
>You can only activate 1 "Name of Card" per turn.
Can be activated again, because the activation was stopped. If just the effect was stopped, then the activation still happened and you can't activate another one.

>>534790556
I ask you if you understand the damage step and that one works there while the other doesn't.

>>534790675
you got me mad, next week I won't be at locals and that's $5 less in the pot for you all. Try again.

>>534786276
No we already have one at home

The best Dracotail variant is unironically Fiendsmith

>>534791172
Strange way to spell K9

We’ve had two 10/10 meta destroying DBPs back to back, it was about time we get another mid-but-interesting pack

Everyone will shout OVER TOP CLEAR MIND as we receive Yusei.dek support tonight

>>534791470
>we had two sellable sets back to back, it was about time we got a shelf-warmer

The DBP of literally just picking up a playset of Goddus and maybe Enneacraft if you want to be an asshole and throwing the rest of the pack into the trash

>mid = interesting
People like you live a sad existence

>>534787130
Aging up into beautiful women

Forbidden Marshmallow

Killer midriffs

Killer Nigger

>>534791783
Would you rather another Ryzeal/Yummy?

>>534792937
I think there's sort of a large gap between ANGU/INCH and CRBR/JUHU if you get my drift

>>534792937
If they were the same power level, sure. If it's more powercreep, I'd not want it but understand its needed for selling product with Konami's current setup.
If Enneacraft, Killer Tune and Hecahands all flop then the set is entirely pointless. Your only real option for Yugioh is the most competitive environment possible, so anything that can't handle the current decks will just not work.
Konami has sort of outplayed this narrative though with the existence of Turn 0 generic cards. Killer Tune Clip and Hecahands Goddus both serve as potential future generic staples for decks that interrupt the opponent. This lets shit sets potentially sell because even the shit decks have 1 generic card people might want

Who is the Jannetty?

>>534780164
boobs2big

>>534793181
Yeah, like Grand Creators and Phantom Revenge

People saying Killer Tune is bad might be retarded
>Normal Mix or Reco, search the other one (also accessible via "Killer Tune Synchro", Synchro Overtake or Stone Sweeper)
>Synchro into Remix
This simple play is 3 interruptions and a potential game-ending floodgate
>Remix revive Mix/Reco, add back Reco/Mix, Synchro into Red Seal
>Reco pops a Spell/Trap for this
>Mix pops a monster for this
>Red Seal can banish a Tuner to negate a card's effects
>Red Seal also fucks with the Levels of monsters so playing it against Yummy makes all their monsters Level 2, preventing them from ever touching their Synchros, effectively auto-winning the matchup

Killer Tune is not even Dracotail level, let alone Yummy and K9

ANGU: triple jannetty
JUSH: triple michaels

>>534793874
It would be funny if they get another Synchro that fucks with high ATK monster's Levels just to fuck K9 too

>>534793874
2 removals + negate + floodgate is comparable to Drastia pass with Destruction set, and even then Doom-Z is a tier 4 deck. Not to mention that Drastia/Drastrius are untargetable and their removals and floodgate are generically stronger than Killer Tune's. Saying Killer Tune is anything but bad is a massive cope.

>>534793874
I activate Imperm on my turn targeting Remix

>>534795295
Easy enough out
>chain Remix to tag out, summon Reco and add back Mix, opt to NOT Synchro Summon
>Reco adds Clip since it got summoned and wasn't immediately Synchroed off
>later, use Clip to summon itself and Synchro Summon, doing the same Reco+Mix Red Seal play as before
>OR use Clip in the Synchro Summon to also randomly see if you snipe a vital ED card so you auto-win even more
Hell, this is also all assuming that the initial Killer Tune play is all you have, considering Playlist and Synchro also represent additional plays

can someone tell me what is the turn 0 combo with the new archetype killer tune? please

>>534793874
So what does this do against VSK9 or Dracotail
How does this deck beat reveal Holly Sue or discard Fymena on your turn?

>>534795693
If you have Clip, which can summon itself during the opponent's turn and Synchro Summon (whilst also having the Condition that you can use a Tuner in hand for a Synchro Summon involving it) then you can Synchro Summon any of the following depending on other cards in your hand
>Level 3 Tuner (i.e. Ash Blossom): Killer Tune Red Seal (quick negate, Level floodgate and an ED rip from Clip)
>Level 4 Tuner: Killer Tune Loudness War (double ED rip)
>Level 2 Tuner: Killer Tune Track Maker (ED rip, Killer Tune Search)
>Level 8 LIGHT Tuner: Mannadium Prime-Heart (ED rip, nothing else lmao)
I don't think there's any more all-Tuner Synchros that work with Killer Tune

>>534795985

>>534795985
>Killer Tune Red Seal
Needs Reco lmao
Also all of these ED rips are RANDOM, half of these interruptions are banking entirely on you winning a 1/15 chance

>>534796058
For some reason I had it in my head that he needed an X-Saber Tuner, but yeah you can add in
>Level 7 EARTH Tuner: XX-Saber Gottoms (ED rip, nothing else lmao)

>>534796058
Oop forgot that you can only summon Tuner Synchro
Ignore this

>>534795985
The Level 3 Tuner needs to be specifically Reco to do the Red Seal play.
I have a feeling that the non-archetypal-but-basically-archetypal card that will come in a main set will be some new Tuner Synchros that can use all-Tuners to give more options for Clip

REMINDER
Clip only say about Accel Synchro 1 Synchro Tuner using this card, not required to used Tuner Card from hand
So you still can using card from the field

My specific two sharter turn 0 combo that only really inconveniences Yummy if they don't draw enough extension or anything and autoloses to everything else in the format

Trisukta?

>>534796287
Even funnier, this means other Turn 0 cards can be used alongside it. Clip being DARK means it works well with VS, and VS can access a lot of different Levels to work alongside Clip.
VS can access
>Level 6 (Mad Love, Panter, Razen)
>Level 7 (Hollie Sue, Jiaolong)
>Level 8 (Pluton HG)
>Level 9 (Heavy Borger)
>Level 10 (Caesar Valius)

>>534795985
Clip synchro summon 1 Tuner and its condition can use 1 Tuner in hand so only valid target turn 0 are Killer Tune ED only.
And Visas Amritata is you have Visas Starfrost in hand but it does nothing but search Visas backrow.

>>534796381
>if they don't draw enough extension or anything and autoloses to everything else in the format
No amount of Yummy extension will win against Red Seal on field. The out for Yummy is entirely non-engine removal pieces like Droplet, or just hoping you open your Surprise because there's no fucking way that the Killer Tune player will let you resolve Cupsy, or let Mignon stay on field for it to be run over.
Even when played by a retard, the Yummy vs Killer Tune matchup should be heavily Killer Tune-sided

>>534796482
>>534796287
You know what Hop Ear is right
>but this one's a DARK
Dawg we are not jamming synchros into the already tight VSK9 ED just so we can occasionally Turn 0 and only Turn 0 because it's only on opponent's turn just a little harder off Clip

>>534796470
requires non-tuner

>>534796470
She requires a non-tuner, Killer Tune can only reasonably make Amritata without an engine.

Predict the TCG name for Killer Tune

>>534796764
Kiratune

>>534793374
Too early to tell

>>534796764
off-sound

>>534796641
>...

>>534796764
Crazy tune

Killer Tune niggas be like
>If you open this specific 2 card combo you can Turn 0 inconvenience the Yummy player or if they somehow open none of the 20+ non-engine they run Redseal kinda solos, also you just kinda autolose if they're on Dracotail or VSK9 btw

>>534796482
>Killer VS
Now we're cooking

can't wait for dangerous tune!

>>534796764
Des Tune

>>534796764
Konami loves their alliteration so my guess is something like
>Tasty Tune (as in "this riff is tasty")
>Funky Flow
>Bass Booster

Rate Reco's tummy

>>534796764
fatal tune I work with a friend of a friend that works at KoA

Hey guys, killer tune may seem weak now but just wait until some random archetype gets a turn0 cac that synergizes with them perfectly and I'll get to say "but dng said"

>>534797435
Tell that friend to tell their friend to put some way of reading conditions into PSCT

>If this card is sent to the GY as Synchro Material: You can banish 1 random face-down card from your opponent’s Extra Deck.
I fucking hate this cancer bonus effect.
Just let it draw 1 card or some shit.

>>534797498
he doesn't have a vote, there's only 3 old dudes with vote power

killer tune magnifistorm

>>534797435
tell the friend of a friend to kill the dumb retard who named them hecahands

>>534797636
Any other info you can give us about the inner functions of KoA? I love this sort of shit

>>534797682
no, we already know how banlists work

>>534797592
Can also use the trap to recycle and resolve the effect to potentially rip the ED 3 times. Which having knowledge of youf opponents ED can help a lot by itself

>>534796058
To this day I believe Gottoms was a printing mistake at Konami that they're too proud to fix. No other Synchro Monster has the same summoning requirements it does.

>>534797819
Visas Amritata

>Oh, they can use any tuner so Clip can potentially use handtraps as the other material like Faimena
>Look at the synchros
>Clip is the ONLY one without a level 5 synchro
It's like they're purposefully making these cards shit.

>>534798007
The last card is a Synchro (guaranteed Clip's) so hold your horses.

>>534797819
>

The trap and quick-play are their only locks. They lock for "the rest of turn" and both prefer to being used on the opponents turns. So they could potentially synergizes with something not as hyper specific as manadium or even a synchro deck at all since this thing can accel synchro.

For those with bigger brains than I, what the fuck were they thinking with Track Maker? It's just such an awkward card with the stuff we currently have
>Its the ONLY card searcher they have, so backrow is just hoping to open it
>can only be made with a 2+2, but the 2s can't search other 2s so 5s are more accessible
>since its Level 4, the only other Synchro it can go into reasonable is Loudness War, which doesn't really do anything
>Archetype materials required so no generically accessing an all-Tuner Level 4 Synchro
Like I'm sure the goal is make Track Maker against all odds, then search Clip to summon during the opponent's turn, bounce a card, rip an ED card and potential do one of those again. But the difficult-to-payoff ratio is fucked.

please use me

>>534798318
You can make Loudness with PUNK

>>534797990
>>534798175
If Konami can print Synchros which don't need non-tuners, what's stopping them from doing it? I honestly thought Gottoms was a one-off mistake but it looks like he was purposeful design.

Isn't the mirror match absolutely miserable?
>Summon Red Seal
>Win

>>534798423
The last tuner will fix it

>>534798885
He has the design of a Gen 5 Pokémon.

>>534798885
a fucking sweeper

>>534798885
I will NOT buy dark winged-beasts

>>534790556
Negating an effect is like blocking a punch whilst negating the activation is sucker punching the guy back before he can throw it

>>534798963
There's Chaos angel

>>534798996
I think most decent synchro decks can play around level lowering effects. Killer tune inba mirror can just play around it and make the lv4 synchro instead, but red seal also being a negate is a pain. Or you can just pray that open the out.

Play plapkanko

>>534799697
Red seal doesn’t lower, she raises. In the mirror that means instant Loudness

>>534790556
G U N & B U L L E T

>>534799328
Uhmm no that treats a monster as a tuner actually.

>Loudness
Someone at konami HQ must be a fan.
https://youtu.be/y4Sj_bVmBoU?si=22iAZPT85Go5SWoU

>>534790556
One is when your mum gets mad at you but forgets about it in a jiffy the other is when she stays mad

>>534798423
Honestly, the monsters' Levels are the biggest limiter to the deck's viability. Should have been all 2s to go into 4s and 6s.

>>534799721
Every kanko should have child alts

>>534799721
I am plappin on MD. Bo1 is a godsend for stupid otks.

>>534798423
Unless the other LV3 can be treated as LV2, for me is just Reco + Veiler

>wake up and see the 3rd dbp archetype
>somehow the flip pendulums are the winners of this set

Just watch
Yusei.dek will have synergy with Killer Tune

>>534800385
What a fucked up and cursed DBP Phantom Revengers is

>>534800385
>Dark Simorgh victims are the winners of the set
Grim
>>534800512
If only because Yusei.dek has the accel synchro mechanic caked into it. It's a lot better in the anime than in the actual game because synchro summoning during the opponent's turn is useful only if what you're summoning has an on-summon nuke or other quick effect.

OH I GEDDIT
KILLER TUNES
AND THEY ARE ALL TUNERS!
HAHA VERY CLEVER KOJIMA!

>>534801574
>>534800275
boy

if atoriF.MAR negated during either player's turn instead of just your own turn the deck would actually be big shot meta

>>534773626
>1 Tuner +1+ Tuners
lmao. I told you they don't even know 1+1=2.

>>534802165
If it did, it would invalidate the entire archetype alone. All the Enneacrafts are non-OPT, why would you not just turbo out 3 MARs? Why search literally anything else when you have hyper-searchable non-OPT omnis?

>>534773626
I understand why they formatted it 1 Tuner + 1+ Tuners, but I would've loved for it to just say 2+ Tuners

>>534802667
i said it would be big shot meta not well designed
atorif only working during your turn makes sense in the context of the entire deck

>>534795295
No you don't.
Targeting protection.
JUUUUUUUDGE

>>534802165
I would play it in trap Labrynth if it worked on either turn

>>534802910
Only if you have Loudness War on the field dipshit

>>534797990
>>534798175
Visas cards were purposely made to not need non tuners since all Visas are tuners and so are the Mannadium monsters. It would be pretty stupid if they didn't work with the card hey are all centered around.
Gottoms is just weird since X-sabers don't have anything that would make it a requirement and they are much older so it is more notable. We will see if the new support leans into it for the synchros or just ignores it.

>>534796121
More like 6/15 in a single turn.

How the fuck do you beat Lunalight with Dracotail?

>>534796964
>Target

>>534803117
>6/15
The more I am forced to read the posts of Killer Tune defenders the more I am convinced they have no idea what their archetype does
Killer Tune niggas be like
>I will simply resolve Clip, then Loudness War banishing Clip on my turn, then Clip, Loudness War and two Playlist targeting Clip on their turn

>>534798906
PUNK Killer Tune is just about the coolest name for a deck.

>>534798423
This is literally the Kitkallos of the deck.
Now give us instant fusion for Syncros.

>>534803490
We couldn't even get Apoqliphoth Killer and you want them to bring over Killer Tune?

>>534803043
Why wouldn't I?

wheres my third wave konami?

>>534803410
I'm just doing it to annoy you, cause it's funny how contrarian this whole thread is about the latest two archetypes.

>>534803661
I don't play TCG. I play Master Duel and OCG.

>new decks
>still nowhere close to orange light discard agido
YGO has been boring this year

>>534804125
good fuck and death tearshit and its fans

>>534803189
Going first you unironically negate poly with Flame and pop the scale that fuses with Gulamel. Going second you side Kaijus in. I don't know why people are not playing them consistently in the side deck right now, they are a great option this format against every deck except for Dracotail itself.

>>534803790
>So the DBPs are meant to introduce new archetypes to support, or at least improve on very old ones that need to change their gameplay
>Here's a series of dinos who are not an archetype, are only meant to work in existing dino soup and are all complete garbage outside of one card
What were they thinking?

>>534801574
I don't get it.

>>534804357
you forgot the
>also the deck only ever got a single card worth of support meanwhile the 2 other decks got several waves of support by now, and it was a dogshit link-3 at that

>>534804357
Dinosmasher Fury SD solved that type

Are all Killer Tune girls?

>>534804704
Chicks and sound equipment.

>>534804704
no it's 1 shota fucking the other 2

>>534804704
they are all girls with gocks (girlcocks)
except track maker, that's a robot

>>534804704
It's a girl band, so yeah.
The non Machine Synchros are the main deck girl's alt forms (minus Clip but we're getting her next week so it's fine).

>>534804746
Just making sure because Clip looks like a boy

>>534804820
clip IS a boy, that's why he doesn't has a synchro form

>>534803790
fuck you! where's my ninja support!?

>>534804820
Looks like a girl to me.

Whatever name Jewart chooses for the localization, it'll still fall flat cuz they have Killer Tune plastered all over their Field Spell's artwork since that's their band name lmao.

>>534804820
Clip is a girl. Just zoom in. She is wearing a dress

>>534803790
dinos will never be good as long as misc and utc exist

>>534805294
Can't wait to play Tower Tune!

>>534805026
I also want more ninja support

>>534805294
I might be blind but I genuinely can't parse any of that as "Killer Tune" or even "キラーチューン"

>>534805294
bold of you to assume he won't force the localization team to just rewrite the graffiti

>>534804820
They're literally all chicks, they're also all flat as fuck.

>>534805412
You can see the "Tune" part at the end of the neon sign above.

>>534805483
>they're also all flat as fuck

>Konami really said "we want the ZZZ audience" and made a girl band archetype
Are they based?

>>534805521
I can kind of see it but I genuinely just think its squiggly fake text Konami likes to do. I'm sure that in-universe that reads as "Killer Tune" but honestly I don't think the average person is going to be able to read anything on that card

so midnadium was essentially a beta test for this

>>534805158
shota with a footlong

>>534805659
>girl band
>ZZZ
Retard
Go back

>>534805683
Visaspile is still very fun, but that's more on accident than on purpose.

>>534804820
>>534805158
We’re not turning this into another Ze amin are we?

please be a girl please be a girl please be a girl please be a girl please be a girl please be a girl please be a girl please be a girl please be a girl I need to grab that slutty waist

>>534805846
It's the upgrade to Reco and Reco is clearly a girl

>>534805696
Stop being gay.

https://x.com/OOwack_/status/1954795064565370896/
Sex

The new Killertunes look souless as fuck
>more turn 0
this is not good, but at least it has locks

What is with /dng/ and its obsession with the idea of a girl turning out to be a dude?

>>534805934
Only the spells lock you
The turn 0 card has 0 lock

>>534806036
veiler still mindbreaking anons years later

>>534806036
/dng/ shitposters get (you)s for doing it

>Killer Tune restriction is so bad no cards are being bought up after the reveal
Even the dogshit pends had cards being bought out when they got revealed.

>>534805784
>more on accident than on purpose.
Anon, all the Visas archetypes were meant to be played together from day one outside of Kashtira. It's like says that Diabellstar working with White Forest and Azamina is an accident.

>>534806047
its a 2 card combo which sucks ass compared to other current t0 plays
clip is the worst card of the deck too

>>534805934
>more turn 0
>this is not good
May as well give up now, this is the new standard.
>Clip
>Goddus
>Izuna
>Hollie Sue
>Black Layer
>Fleurdelis, the Thunderous
Konami seems to be treating Turn 0 gameplay as a general standard, with decks that lack it getting power in other ways to compensate (like Enneacraft being non-OPT or Yummy being just retarded as fuck)

>>534803359
Madlove's GF

Leave Yummy to me.

>>534806310
You forgot Faimena...

>Konami keep giving every single deck Turn 0 card
>Except Anime deck lmao

what's left of this reveal season
>burst protocol cover
>rest of power of the fellow
>WP25
>maybe terminal world covers?
>something about the chronicles deck as well

>think about how funny it would be to essentially Pendulum Summon a whole hand of Hecahands when the opponent searches
>remember that hand triggers arbitrarily can only be used once at a time and therefore you would need 5 searches to do it
Yet another retarded ruling to add to the pile. Just absolutely no way to know this is a concept and it works like no other effect so players will literally not know this is a thing until its too late and they fall for it

Animefags deserve nothing but ropes

Turn 0 cards are good because it means you have more chances to win going second.
We need more cards that become even better when you go second.

>>534806624
I've always adored the idea of a deck that completely changes playstyle and combos depending on whether you went first or second.
Going first your stuff is combobait negatefests.
Going second your stuff is OTK boardbreakers.
Going first Card A is your playstarter while Card B is a situational tool, but going second Card B is your OTK playstarter and Card A becomes situational.

>>534806624
Is this a boy or a girl

>>534806624
We need more cards that let you go full combo on turn 0 like Havnis.
She's still the best in-archetype HT imo.

>>534806909
A guy.
You're gay.

>>534806767

>>534806767
You literally described Tearlaments.

>>534806310
>Konami seems to be treating Turn 0 gameplay as a general standard,
That's exactly the problem
Turn 0 is the new summoning method, only the 4 relevant decks will be allowed to have it meanwhile 99% of decks that not will be megafiltered into being unplayable. Turn 0 gameplay will gatekeep your deck harder than MR4 rules

Kill all Tear niggers

>>534806624
My Turn 0 discard itself (and something else) to bin an Ogdoadic then reborn an Ogdoadic...give it to me...

>>534807159
Just order your k9 package lil bro

>>534807159
Nigga Yummy is the best deck in the OCG and they have no turn 0 plays.

>>534807159
>But muh shit deck from 5 years ago!!!
Are you just now realizing that the game has rotation like every other TCG?

>>534807159
Yummy has no turn 0 play and it's the top 2 deck of the format

>>534806979
>>534807075
That's more the same tools branching into different paths.
I want something like
>If this card is Normal or Special Summoned: You can apply the following effect, depending on whether you went first or second.
>First: Add up to 2 "Archetype" cards from your Deck to your hand, then discard 1 card.
>Second: Destroy all Spell/Traps your opponent controls.
So this card is your consistency tool going first, but if you went second its your situational removal tool

>>534807159
If your deck is dying to the turn 0 plays currently in the game, it was probably already dying to the standard handtraps that make up like 35% of most decks.

>>534807439
You are insane if you believe this. Turn 0 plays are much more expansive and less situational than standard handtraps.
K9 for example has basically ANY Rank 5 to be slapped onto the board, including non-destruction removal, book of moon etc. all from the same card, all whilst also being untargetable

>>534807439
>Ash Blossom is the same as being bounced by Altharion
you can't be serious

>>534807439
Magnamhut is the closest handtrap that's almost as powerful as Izuna and that card is at fucking 1.

>>534807426
Modern cards have 3 effects. So the archetype would either be shit, or have 6 effects.

Is this card good in Dracotail?

>>534807986
Just change the core effect.
>Card effect that extends
>Card effect that is continuous or some shit
>Card effect that augments depending on first or second (the core effect)
3 effects

>>534807637
>>534807907
>>534807810
>TCGcucks, as always, are aching for more cards to get banned
Ofc....

>>534808025
Yes.
You make it with 2 Arthalion or Arthalion + Pan.

>>534808136
I'm not gunning for Turn 0 to get banned, I'm personally fine with the concept. But trying to say Turn 0 gameplay is equal in strength to an Imperm or Ash is braindead retarded

>People complaining about muh turn 0 plays
>When all they amount to are small disruptions that you can easily play around
Yawn.

>>534808136
Nigger I was the one who said turn 0 cards are good for the game.
I know they're far better than Ash/Imperm/Veiler and that's why they're good for the game since they make the game less coin-flip dependent.

>>534808237
This is a good point, turn 0 can be okay but if you keep it at 1 for 1 interaction, like Fleur. Shit that cascades into massive card advantage is just bad

>>534808025
Only in DT maid variant, otherwise you don't have many Dragon target to bounce beside Mulr.

>>534808780
Worst case you can just bounce itself and it's still a quick effect banish

>>534804808
Nah, Clip synchro form will be on the set after Burst Protocol, the last unrevealed Cunny Tune card is a main deck monster.

>>534808553
Fleur can cascade into massive card advantage by setting punishment send Titaniklad summon Ecclesia search any Dogma card

>>534808852
Sure, but that would be a very costly price.

>>534808995
That's all contingent on the opponent having a Fusion/Synchro/Xyz/Link out on the field on their turn with 2500+ ATK. Otherwise you just set some backrow that gets dealt with immediately.

>>534807159
this would ,ake sense if it wasn't for the simple fact that... well, you can just run regular handtraps
and handtraps are stronger tham ever because of mulcharmies

>>534806507
August is usually the drought month so expect:
>the rest of yusei SD
>the last two cards from this DBP
>the cover of burst protocol
>a bunch of WPP reprints/imports
Both previous Terminal world stuff always revealed two archetype on Sept and dumped the last 2 in oct-nov

>>534808995
>locks you out of the ED
The advantage is only really worth it if you play pure Dogmatika or some kind of stun variant.

>>534807637
>>534807810
If we're talking versatility of interaction, then sure. But no deck that had a serious competitive chance is suddenly unplayable because the opponent could get a bounce up or equip a monster as xyz mat rather than just a monster negate or pop.
The point I'm getting at, however, is that these plays generally need investment that leaves you both more vulnerable to your handtrap being stopped or not being usable. Unless we start getting turn 0 plays that are trivial to trigger and grant absurd value, the concept in itself isn't pushing anything out the meta game, as was claimed in the post I responded to.

>>534806507
>what's left of this reveal season
>>burst protocol cover
That's definitely next month.

>>534809020
>very costly price
If you're in a position where you can summon Filia Regis you probably have Ketu and/or Rahu set so I feel like it's fine to just bounce itself because you're going to recoup all of the advantage next turn

>>534809290
main sets are always revealed in 3 months, first month being the covers and last the release month
burst protocol releases on october, so this month will be the cover reveal

>>534809273
>The point I'm getting at, however, is that these plays generally need investment that leaves you both more vulnerable to your handtrap being stopped or not being usable.
Dracotail already ignores all of this purely because Altharion gets the used materials back. The fact it can use any card in your hand handtraps included is crazy

>>534809887
If you're using Arthalion to add back then you're not getting any interruption unless you're using Mululu (negate on a new chain) or Pan/Urgula which are both played at 1.

>>534809827
>burst protocol releases on october
So that means we're getting it January over here?

>>534807637
All of those are one interaction.
Typically, Turn 0 plays will either be
>1 card handtrap like Goddus, Gamma, or Izuna that is 1 interaction
>multiple cards like Hollie Sue or Fymena that necessitate multiple pieces in exchange for more powerful interactions/followup plays
Something like Black Layer is in between the two, two cards in hand for the Layer GY effect and the Xyz
And for the former, if your deck folds to your opponent outputting 1 Turn 0 interaction you were never gonna make it in the first place

>>534810215
>or Pan/Urgula which are both played at 1.
Everyone I've played against was running either both at 2 or ar least 2 Urgula

>see a post claiming that this is actually a fusion deck with a white border and that they have a better ketu
Oh my god these people cannot be real, you have to be out of your fucking mind to think this is even remotely comparable to Dracotail

>>534811058
I can't imagine playing that many soft bricks in a deck that already plays 2 trap bricks

We need stronger handtraps, I'm sick and tired of Konami's "answers" to stuff no longer becoming answers.
Yummy Normals Cupsy. If you Ash them here, they full combo anyway. If you don't Ash them here, they get an additional disruption but you prevent some extension later.
If you Ash Cupsy Way, they tag back out into 2 bodies to go into other shit, but you DID stop them getting 2 MORE bodies. Oop nevermind, they turn the 2 revived bodies into Lollipo Way and revived 2 bodies and now they can just keep going.
You couldn't Ash Snatchy because it places instead of adds.
I feel like I'm falling deeper into despair as more conventional answers just become pointless when facing modern decks. Sure, you DRNMed the Yummy player but lookie here, they use Surprise to revive a Snatchy and its like the board never got negated as they Synchro away their shit into more interruptions. Can't interact with that either because they decided to make it non-targeting revival so if your opponent has 2 Snatchy in GY then you just don't bother.
That "don't bother" sentiment is what I feel a lot of the time, not just against Yummy but against other decks too. Why bother attempting to use conventional answers against K9 when they actively benefit from it? Why bother attempting to use shit like Veiler/Imperm against VS when they just bounce as a Quick Effect to dodge them.
I am aware that over time, hypothetical new answers that feel like answers will be dodged by new decks, but I want to feel like my cards DO something, even if for a little bit.

>>534811749
Turn 0 cards is their answer

>>534811749
I'm feeling that Evenly is becoming better in this Dracotail/Yummy/VSK9 format. It blows the fuck out of the opponent once you bait the Herald of Arc Light/Dragoon

>>534811749
Bro your Maxx C, Droll, Fuwalos, and shifter?

>>534812007
>Droll
Doesn't do a single shit against normal summon Cupsy

>>534812007
>Maxx C
Banned
>Droll
Increasingly pointless against decks like VSK9 and Yummy where their shit just summons from deck, mills then revives or just can generally handle just having a single search. It's one of those cards that is amazing when its good, but a wet fart when its ignored
>Fuwalos
Good card, but Yummy and VSK9 can set up a lot of interactions whilst minimizing Fuwalos triggers.
>Shifter
Limited

We did it bros...we're in a breaker (but also you still run the Mulcharmies) format...

>complaining about the lack of Shifter to go against the meta
I knew this day would come but didn't thought it would be so soon

>>534812210
>Droll
>pointless against decks like VSK9
Droll is the only handtrap that shuts down VSK9.
It kills all K9 cards except Izuna, Ripper can't search shit, it destroys normal summon Madlove, even normal Razen isn't super great under Droll. They need very specific hand to play under Droll.

>>534812403
shifter would go crazy in enneacraft, this truly is an unfair society we live in

>>534812603
I'm not defending Shifter at all but I did warned /dng/ that the last two banlists killing so many GY hate cards would eventually come back to bite everyone in the ass
>Shifter
>Dweller
>Druiswurm

Shifter to 3 is a buff for VSK9

>>534813212
K9 isn't great against shifter actually, i don't know if VSK9 would even bother with it

>>534813361
How is K9 not good under shifter?
Lantern is the only card that's unusable because of it, Jokull is completely unaffected, Izuna can still special itself if you need it and the VS cards don't care that much about Shifter.
Meanwhile Shifter completely annihilates Yummy, Dracotail, and Mitsurugi.

>>534813639
>Mitsurugi
Mitsurugi infamously gave 0 shits about Shifter what are you on about

>>534813812
Forgot that Mitsurugi works under Shifter but it still kills 2 other best decks

Any Killer Tune showcase/decklist yet?
Any good idea of good cards/series/archetype for KT?

>>534805846
It's a trap

>>534814393
the handtrap ghost girls and midnadium

Sometimes I forget how terrible the average yugioh player is at the game. Going to locals is always an interesting experience because you always see a new level of retardation.

>>534806979
scheiren and merrli can come back to 2

>>534805846
thats a woman

>>534815554
fuck off

>>534815554
I think you meant 3

>>534815951
kitkallos and ishizu miles are ban bro

Maze are you here

buy synchro overtake before it's too late (it probably is)

>>534818280
It's part of the reprints in PHRE anyway so its pointless to buy Overtake unless you want a higher rarity of it

But why is the Skull Summoned?

>>534806435
What an unbelievably erotic tail. I love fat tails

>>534818261
Sup?

Lacrima the Crimson Tearlaments

>>534819832
it was a satanic invocation

>>534821539
I wanted to ask the following:

Do you know what it means when a person recites "Magic Eye" like some sort of mantra?
To be more specific when one person is nervous and 2 others reaffirm that person to 'not be nervous' using the words "Magic Eye" and this person replies back with the same phrase (kind of letting the other two that it worked)

>>534812210
Mill or Send from Deck?
Those are two different things.

Mill is X number from top of deck to GY.
Send from Deck you look through the deck, select something, dump to grave, then shuffle.

Tearlaments Mill.
Foolish Burial sends from deck.

>>534822213
magic eye maze

Doesn't Hyde Ride and more relevant Visas Samsara only have the ability to be non-Tuners if they're on the field (this card you control), thus making the Synchro from hand potential not really a factor?
>Eccentric Boy is so irrelevant this ruling is not even recorded

>>534821539
what did swordsoul and icejade add to the albaz story??? nothing, why did they put them in the story it was a waste of time

>>534815554
Scheiren is already at 2.
Merrli and Perlereino can be unbanned.
Scheiren and Havnis can go back to 3.
Sulliek can go back to 3.

>>534772123
its shit

>>534822812
Send from deck, I have a habit of calling that milling regardless mostly because it evokes the same idea and its not like Yugioh uses an actual keyword for either concept

24 players:

1st. Ryzeal Onomat
2nd. Dracotail
Top4. Dracotail
Top4. Ryzeal Onomat
Top8. Lunalight - https://i.imgur.com/1sXu0Sf.png
Top8. K9 - https://i.imgur.com/X7aIfHF.png
Top8. Crystron K9 - https://i.imgur.com/Qpb7tfK.png

>>534814393
Synchro Overtake
Ash Blossom, Belle, Mourner
The deck isn't going to play O-Lion or Hop Ear Squadron

>>534822213
I lied, I'm not maze.

31 players:

1st. Vanquish Soul K9
2nd. Vanquish Soul K9
Top4. Maliss
Top4. Vanquish Soul K9

>VSK9 wins worlds
>VS gutted
>K9 is shit by itself
>Yummy becomes the best deck by default
We are living in the worst timeline.

>>534824412
VSK9 is lasting until at least December in the TCG

>>534824412
That sounds like the ideal outcome though. Fuck Hollie Sue, can't wait till she's at 1 or preferably banned.
K9 did nothing wrong so they can stick around.

Duel Link Dragon's finally getting a reprint, for whoever was waiting on that.

>>534824412
Sounds awesome except I want the K9s banned too because all significant turn zero plays should be banned.

>>534824887
just forget it bro this deck they just announced also has plays turn 0. thats gonna be konami's thing for a while.

>>534823702
In the video games and Edopro’s no-longer-supported effect search feature, all such effects are categorized as “Deck Destruction.”

37 teams, 111 players:

1st. K9, Dragotail, Yummy
2nd. Yummy x3
Top4. Cyber K9, K9, Vanquish Soul K9 - https://i.imgur.com/BiIvZf5.jpeg
Top4. Vanquish Soul K9, Dracotail, Yummy - https://i.imgur.com/aRTgJZW.jpeg

>>534824842
I still can't believe Duel Link Dragon exists, nothing about it is playable
>Link-4 that requires a Synchro, insane requirements to even get this fucking thing on the field
>Can banish a Power Tool or a Level 7/8 Dragon Synchro to summon a shitty Token with its stats
>Problem with the above is there are ZERO targets that WANT banished
>Forces the opponent to hit the EFFECTLESS PROTECTIONLESS TOKEN first before swinging at the ZERO ATK LINK-4
Baffling shit. It's a Link-4 with a Synchro condition, why not just cheat out the Synchro, maybe also include a "It can only activate its effects while you control this card" to provide an "out"

But why

>>534825586
It's just Ultimaya Tzolkin for MR4, except for some reason they went super hard on nerfing its effects.

>>534825898
>why would they reprint a Level 2 Tuner that special summons other Level 2 Tuners when used as material in a set where there's a deck that has Level 2 Tuners and can use other Tuners from hand as material
The world may never know

>>534826052
This is too logical to make sense, so instead it means Baronne is being put to 3 everywhere.

>>534825909
why giving it a level if your not going to give stars? konami once again being retard over style before substance

>>534824887
>nooooo let me cooombo
nah, get fucked

>>534826376
It has no Level Stars because its a Dark Synchro, specifically a Level 0 one meaning you need to cancel out the Levels via deducting rather than adding. This is why it sends two monsters with the same Level to the GY (Non-Tuner - Tuner = 0).
It isn't ACTUALLY Level 0 because Konami are genuinely fearful of the concept of having to pile on the existence of Level 0 monsters on top of everything else in the game.
Levels only go down to 1, it has a minimum. So suddenly having a Level 0 exist would bring into question all the previous rulings.
Same goes for Rank 0.

>>534826376
For gameplay purposes, obviously. It prevents ruling headaches.

>>534826052
>>534826335
>Open 3 handtraps and 2 engine
>Synchro using Fleur from hand
>Shit you used both engine just for 1 summon
>There's no target for its effect in hand
Brilliant dueling

>Sister bought me a pack of RC4 from her trip abroad
>Pulled a DMG QCSR and an ultra rare Fuwalos from that 1 pack
Bruh

Said 5 instead of 6 because I'm retarded but the point is the same.
You need Fleur in hand, a starter, and either a 3rd card for Fleur to pitch or your starter needs to resolve
A deck that dies to 1 Imperm?

>>534827229
that pack was resealed and your sister got it by doing anal with the store owner

>>534826376
The manga version was a proper "Level 0" monster, but Konami doesn't like keeping stuff like that when adapting cards so they gave it a condition to treat itself as Level 12.

>>534824887
Turn 0 is healthy for the game moving forward. Encourages you to run less non-engine and it curbs turn 1 wombo combo in a way that doesn't just feel like an uninteractive 'off' button. I seriously do not see how someone can be against it.

>>534820869
rare to see posts this based on /dng/

>>534806909
Obviously a guy.

I hope the last Killer Tune monster is a level 3 quick effect synchro like Clip. That would make the most sense. Being able to make Remix or Redseal turn 0 would be based.

>>534825586
I get that the entire point is to reference Ultimaya controlling the Duel Dragons, but Ultimaya came out in 2014/15 and this bitch in 2018. They could've just made a Link Ultimaya, but instead made a terrible reference to act as a prize card.
At least we have the actual Crimson Dragon now so I don't have to acknowledge this thing's existence or pretend that Ultimaya was the closest thing to CD we had at the time on appearance alone.

How do I cope being the only remaining girl on this general?

>>534829584
You already can do Redseal with Reco in hand

>>534825389
>team tournament
>allowed to play the same deck
what is the point

>>534830563
Yeah, you can make Redseal but you can't make Remix. Should've clarified that.

>>534827043
>but instead made a terrible reference to act as a prize card.
TCG arbitrarily made it a prize card, it was originally in the OCG as part of Premium Pack 2019 alongside the Flame Swordsman, Ojama, Gimmick Puppet, Superheavy Samurai Links and Salamangreat Almiraj

>>534831129
Fuck wrong quote >>534829651

Is there a truly unfixable archetype?

>Killer tune
Dogshit archetype. Phantom revengers is pure ass.

>>534831612
No because we know that Konami isn't above printing multiple CaCs to force an archetype into relevance. They actively pick and choose what they want to be good.

>>534831612
Ally of Justice

It was only a matter of time

>>534831612
Not unless you are a purist that thinks phasing out most of the old cards with new ones doesn’t count.

Coitus with female Killer Tune monsters while the music is blasting at full volume, high enough to make me deaf.

>>534824887
I don't like the idea of the next few years of the game being cranked up to "turn 0" levels of powercreep.
I don't think the community will like it either.

>>534831894
>Japanese "humor"

Deck for this feel?

>>534832234
Any deck except Adventurer since currently it's trash.

>>534831612
Depends on how you ask. Shit like Vehicroid or Iron Chain or Dark Scorpion getting "fixed" would basically be "remake the entire deck but let it use some old infrastructure."
In terms of a deck that is outright destroyed by the current game you'd probably look at Duston.
>flip effect monster
>summons a bunch of monsters to the opponent's field, that are ostensibly supposed to gum up their monster zones
>but it was printed before Links so in essence it's just giving them 4 pieces of Link Material
The only time a Duston was ever relevant it's just for having a normal monster LIGHT Fiend at a time where both of those are relevant for engines and yet people still are probably more likely to play Dipity for being level 4.

>>534831612
Egyptian God

>>534832008
I think the community will, Konami just needs to go whole-hog with it rather than the current slow-burn half-ass singular-card-sometimes way they are doing it.
Doing it they way they are doing just provides a massive power gap that Konami needs to accommodate for.
It makes it so that if you like Gouki for example, then NOT getting Turn 0 gameplay means they need to be equate on singular-turn power level than an opponent being able to play on both turns. If they don't get that, its not just shit, its unplayable.
If Konami went in to each new archetype and new wave with the expectation that the deck should get anywhere from 1-3 Turn 0 enablers, then people can actually begin to play the "real" game that Konami wants them to.

Is the ass grab necessary

>>534832008
The community only dislikes whatever their deck loses to, this game can get away with anything except running out of ways to powercreep. Today, it’s turn 0, tomorrow it’s not-skill, the day after, it’s using your opponent’s board to play your cards.

I bet the last killer tune monster is a level 1 tuner that says "if this card is used for the synchro summon of (insert name here) you can treated as level 2-3"

Reminder that Lunalight exists

>>534833684
lunawho?

>>534831612
>>534831738
>>534832614
>remake the entire deck
Practically this.
Some archetypes have their peculiarities, flavor and playing style.
Because of playing style, for example, even if a single broken card was created: It probably wouldn't be good enough.
One example, as another anon said, is >>534831790
A single card probably couldn't fix them because their playing style is heavily reliant on (1) the opponent cooperating with you and playing LIGHT monsters to have useful effects and (2) battle.
However, if you ignore playing style and everything else, yes, there's no archetype that can't be fixed.
Using the same Ally of Justice, for example, if I ignore both the LIGHT monsters restrictions and the battle shit, I'm pretty sure I could create a broken ass card bullshit card full of unfair effects that allow you to do absurd combos, with the only downside being having more text than the mighty master of magic.

>>534826420
>I should be able to combo on your turn if you activate one effect, leaving myself with an established field and stocked hand before I can even normal summon
Retard, tear apologist, homosexual.
>>534828789
>healthy for the game
Konami payrolled. It's expedited powercreep since cards will now be unplayable unless they function as hand traps if you have to go "second" AND combo pieces going first. It also decreases the counterplay to cards you absolutely must stop if you want to win the duel since your opponent can activate their stuff at any point in your turn rather than having to interact with your setup, so players will be encouraged to find ways to lead with a negate as their first action/summon.This changes the way cards have to be designed for the rest of the game's life to even attempt to be relevant, invalidates the vast majority of strategies prior to this set rotation for the rest of the game's life, and makes your average trap card even more obsolete. Much like maxx C/charmies it does not solve the combo problem as it was intended to. It's fundamentally bad game design. Anyone that can't see this lacks the ability to understand that actions have consequences and wouldn't be fit to stand trial.

>>534833684
Shut and let Gold Leos price settle.

>>534833880
Even Ally of Justice shouldn't be too hard to make functional for its gimmick at least.
Slapping together a Link-1 that summons a LIGHT Token or makes your opponent's monsters LIGHT is an easy enough way to enable the effects of basically every AOJ monster.
From there, just make good shit that follows the gimmick.
Hell if you really want to get into funky new frontiers, you could do something like
>Monsters your opponent owns become LIGHT monsters.
That way Quarantine becomes a total Special Summon lock

Your choices
>Blowout handtraps like Roach, Droll, Mulcharmies, Nib, Shifter ect
OR
>Turn 0 our turn
These are your options, the powercreep will continue and your petdeck will become irrelevant. Cope for support or TRANSition to Time Travel.

>>534833950
Shiny new decks good. Why would any well-adjusted person care about old, slow, full of weaknesses decks? Inequality isn't wrong, equality is wrong. Decks with concept that couldn't stand the test of time are just ugly stains in the history of this great, constantly evolving game

>>534832008
don't worry that isn't the thing that will kill the game
its the eventual link-0 or ED/deck traps that will kill the game

>>534834618
Why not both?

>>534834687
>Link-0

>>534828789
>Encourages you to run less non-engine
Only if the resulting turn 0 cards requires you to be deeper into your chosen archetype. Something like Goddus doesn't need you to be playing Hecahands to perform interruptions.
>and it curbs turn 1 wombo combo in a way that doesn't just feel like an uninteractive 'off' button
It absolutely can feel that way. K9 especially sequences their plays one after another where they can take up several sequential chains during your own turn to remove your shit, not actually going to an open game state for you to do anything.
And it can absolutely feel like an uninteractive off button if you aren't playing a deck that ALSO can do what the opponent is doing. I personally experience this in locals when my opponent plays Hollie Sue, or Izuna, or Faimena. My opponent gets to play during my turn 1, as well as their own turn 1s. Meanwhile I get to play only during my turn 1s.

Yu-Gi-Oh helped me accept my homosexuality....

>>534834893
not a true link-0
i am talking about a conditionless ED body

>>534835524
Vell....

Ok picture this
An archetype of cute JK girls in school uniforms...but they have penises.
Thoughts?

>>534835524
Based Maliss player

>>534835524
Kashgod...

>>534835982
Uhh bro? Your Raye and Roze?

>>534836269
Not really what I asked for, they're in military uniforms not school ones.

Anunnaki archetype when?

>>534824589
You should ban cards.... Because!!
How about no? Master Duel has proven that bans should only be done in extreme cases, not cause faggots are tired of a deck.

>>534836785
I AM Anunnaki. The union of sky (spirit) and earth (matter).

>>534829584
Killer Tune is blatantly missing 3 cards, it's so obvious.

Clip Syncro
The other Level 3.
The other Level 3's Syncro.

We're likely getting clip Syncro as the last reveal, and the Two new monsters will be part of the Wave 1 core set support. Probably in Burst Protocol.

>>534833950
Yeah yeah, I am so sorry you can't play solitaire anymore.
Get fucked.

I for one am very happy with Phantom Revengers.
I asked for a DBP to not be Konami approved meta slop and I got it. 3 truly unique and interesting archetypes. That's what DBP's should be. Ever since DBP's became the ordained broken metaslop product things have gone downhill.
Phantom Revengers archetypes > Justice Hunters archetypes.

>>534837973
>We're likely getting clip Syncro as the last reveal, and the Two new monsters will be part of the Wave 1 core set support.
I disagree, the general set setup doesn't really support that pattern well.
It goes
>Mix
>Clip
>Reco
>???
>Track Maker (an unrelated, completely out of nowhere monster)
>Remix (the upgrade to Mix)
>Red Seal (the upgrade to Reco)
>Loudness War (an unrelated, completely out of nowhere monster)
This setup leads me to believe the monster between Reco and Track Maker would be a Main Deck monster, otherwise why would Clip's Synchro be BEFORE the out-of-nowhere monster and not AFTER with the other upgrades?
I think its going to go
>Wednesday reveal for Level 3
>BUPR containing a non-archetypal support card (possibly a Tuner that wants to be used from hand, or another Synchro as an option for the deck to use that needs all Tuners)
>???? (whatever is after BUPR) containing Clip's Synchro and a backrow card
>Level 3's Synchro held off until further out to piss patternfags off (see shit like the Red Weather Painter)

Added new cards

From "Deck-Build Pack: Phantom Revengers":
- Killer Tune Mix
- Killer Tune Clip
- Killer Tune Reco
- Killer Tune Track Maker
- Killer Tune Remix
- Killer Tune Red Seal
- Killer Tune Loudness War
- Killer Tune Synchro
- Juke Joint "Killer Tune"
- Killer Tune Playlist

>>534838628
You won in terms of getting a set you like, but we all lose when Konami is unable to sell a set revolving around 3 decks that have lower power levels than the current good decks

>>534838628
>3 truly unique and interesting archetypes
you mean 2 and killertune

>>534838736
Have they fixed the Enneacraft stuff yet?

>>534839189
She looks like she just knows.

>>534839163
Nah. I'm with that anon. This is the first time I'm interested in all three archetypes.

>>534835982
Eviltwins aren't enough?

>>534837804
Scooby's ancestor...

>>534837386
>Master Duel
>example of anything

Nemleria link 1 that can summon itself if you have her face up in extra when?
Quick play that summons Dreaming Nemleria from extra deck Ignoring her Summoning conditions and banishing 3 from extra when?

>>534837386
>Master Duel has proven that
More cards should be banned because its a terrible format?

After faffing about with Killer Tune in EDOPro, one of the biggest problems I am currently finding is that a lot of your resources just get drained dry.
Reco and Mix both add their respective non-Levels from the GY but you are constantly fighting with the deck when you have to use your consistency tools to recycle stuff instead.
That and backrow being basically unsearchable is bad (no I am not just going to hard open Clip and Mix just to search a backrow piece you are fucking crazy)

>>534839245
what was left to fix? there were some adjustments made to enneas

>>534839787
The missing monster is s/t searcher obviously

See, you can make flips good. You just need to give every card in the archetype 5 effects each (unironically btw)

Now we just need to give Gemini the same treatment.

>>534828789
Turn 0 shit encourage konami to create stronger interactions like Kashtira which in turn push ton of decks down because they don't have turn 0 or giga nigga interaction from get go.

Something like pends are downright unplayable on current game because by time you still going summon link you opponent already have board against you plus handtraps.

>>534840330
Mucho texto

>>534840330
also only 1 of the 5 effects are hopt

>>534840330
This is basically the limit on how much text can be fit on a card lmao

>>534840330
Ok hear me out.
Give Gemini monsters spells that equip themselves from deck (Awakening of the Possessed style) to any gemini monster you control, and have extra quick effs on them + make gemini an effect monster.
Does it completely removes gimmick? Yes
Does it make them good? Yes

>>534840086
Seems oddly redundant in a deck with few actual extenders. The other monsters (sans Clip) search their respective other so the go-to for this hypothetical searcher would be to search Synchro and use it to do the exact same thing as Reco but locking you instead.
Killer Tune just simply isn't built to last, the lack of actual extension is devastating. Reco, Mix and this hypothetical one would all be single-path Synchro fodder but you also don't get the stuff you want on a single passthrough
>Reco/CaC can search Mix and can be used to make Remix (with Reco allowing access to Red Seal)
>If you DON'T already have access to Reco, the CaC is stuck on Remix going back into Remix again because Reco isn't in rotation. Even if you withheld the Synchro Summon, Mix can search Reco but then you don't have access to a way to Synchro Summon on the opponent's turn
>Mix can access Reco/CaC, but nearly 100% of the time you would go Reco so you can actually do your plays
Point being the CaC NEEDS to have a good Synchro Material effect otherwise its dead in the water. Going into the CaC would be a death sentence without additional specific cards.

>>534840330
>5 effects each
>4 of those effects not having a single OPT restriction on them
>Huge stats
>Tons of searching
>Tons of interrupts/removal
>Field swarming via the freest summoning ever
>Massive burn damage

>Still just barely good enough.
Hats off to Konami, they did all they could to make flips relevant in the modern-day game, it took a lot of CaC but they can, just about, compete.

>>534840330
It's funny because they are just Flip cosplayers. Them, Deus-X Krawler and the Wake CUPs are both guilty of the sin of not actually having a Flip Effect, something that is kind of fucking required for it to be a Flip Monster.
So at that point, just print some meta archetype completely unrelated to Gemini and just slap the tag on them like it matters and say Gemini won

>>534840869
>>534840330
I predict that this is the last time we'll see a good flip type. Flips won't survive the next wave of power creep.
This is flips final form, their last stand, their magnum opus...
...And it's beautiful.

Killer Tune might actually be decent and get a few tops right out of Phantom Revengers. I guess we'll have to wait for the January set to pray for the support that takes it to the next level though. Since this DBP isn't breaking the game, I guess that Burst Protocol is going to unleash something really broken.

>>534841149
They better be decent because I do not want to see another wall of text archetype ever again

>Magnifistorm got a SINGLE top in the OCG Metagame report
Well that sucks :(

>>534841469
sex with thunder people

>>534841395
MtG or Lorcana might be more your thing if words are difficult.

you told me this was only a yugioh problem

>>534840330
>See, you can make flips good.
Most of us knew this. For some reason some people here can't understand that Konami can make good cards whenever they want to.

>>534843156
Magic is in a worse state than ygo, only the idiots here will tell you otherwise.

>>534843156
No? All card games have powercreep.

>>534843156
I think I've never seen card game where powercreep isn't a problem, I think it's in their nature

>>534843156
>you told me
Skill issue for believing people from /dng/

>>534843156
In MTG, GY effects are actually rather scarce. Looking at Scryfall, only 288 cards total have the "activate-from-graveyard" tag, and a lot of these are awkward shit slow cards. Even the most cancerous Dredge cards end up totaling like 15 cards.
For context, the Legacy format contains every card in the game (minus a few) and it comes to 29,302 cards according to Scryfall.
Yugioh is unique in that so many cards in the game just get a GY effect stapled onto them because cards need to do more than just the main effect, and cards usually go to the GY after they are used. If MTG players think the GY is a second hand in THEIR game, they would have a fucking stroke playing Yugioh

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>>534831790
A way for Ally of Justice to follow its """"""""""Intended playstyle"""""""""" would be to change Decisive Armor's targeting and turn it into a total monster handrip

>>534843156
Yugioh players don’t know or play other games, but gladly lap up concepts and mechanics from them. Anyway, Magic has good game design for the most part, so graveyard strategies are both the norm and relatively easy to interact with, as to not be overpowering.

>>534843896
>Dredge

Dredge in yugioh, when?

>ishizu te-

No, not even that comes close to the degeneracy of dredge

>>534844052
That's mainly because they keep printing floodgates and gimmick removers like Bojuka Bog and such. It's like if Konami thought banish decks were getting a bit too big for their boots so they just kept printing Lanceas over and over again to ensure they never show their faces again

>>534844170
Wizards should print cute mermaid girls with Dredge doe.

>>534843902
I think making them an auto win vs light could be intresting, light sisies should fear them every time they enter a game

>>534844295
And now those guys have to plan around those and either adjust for interactivity or just accept getting hosed for trying to combo flowchart.

>>534772123
>Fiend tuner
>Dark synchros
>The ability to use a tuner on your hand in addition to ones on the field
Supernova dragon support?

Lost Art.