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Previous Zone: >>534748691

My quota is done for the day.

Shadria!

>>534790916
That's not me and I didn't make a single post last thread. Even if you never believe me. I'm just wondering if that anon is false-flagging on purpose, since he's using my filenames and copied a couple of my posts from the archives. He needs to tone it down if so. Too forceful even to me.
Shadow and Maria weren't/aren't a canon couple even if there's romantic undertones/inspiration/hinting to it. Shadow is technically single and it's not out of the question he could fall for someone who isn't Maria, even if I personally think that's unlikely to happen due to Shadow's mental issues.

Amy is more like Maria than Rouge

>>534793607
This feels like the actual falseflag, the image of Krack the other posters told me about indicates they would never compromise on something like this. Surely all those Anons could not possibly have lied.

mandatory watching for silverbros or 06 enjoyers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20kw9Llsk0A

>>534793123
>>534793573
I think this guy actually raises some valid points

Douge

>>534793715
The angry Shadriafag last thread is obviously not her. That person was antagonizing Shadougefag deliberately. You can tell because they made sure to hit all the beats that set Shadougefag off.
Krack clearly prefers Shadria, and I'm not here to play defense but if she acted like that the ships would have capsized more often than not.

>>534793873
He did. But we're already in what if territory, so we could come up with other motivations for Gerald.

>>534793753
Great video

What would Windnic's (or Sunnic's, didn't feel like making a version with post-1998 Sonic) feelings be regarding Mohawknic?

>>534793396 (OP)
Why does Evan hate Silver so much anyway? Isn’t he supposedly her favorite?

>>534794079
Females just enjoy emasculation.

>>534794065
>Sunnic
Still trying to make this a thing? Knight of the Wind also compares Sonic to the sun

>Windnic
That's just Sonic

>Mohawknic
Sonic would be disgusted at the sight of that thing

Where’s that damn fourth Chaos Emerald!?

>>534794065
Apparently windfags don't actually like it when you say windnic

>>534794246
Correct, it's just Sonic. If you need to add some other word to it it's because it's not Sonic.

>>534794201
>Still trying to make this a thing?
Yes, because the sun is on his tummy.

>>534794079
>>534794150
NTA but why all the emphasis on specifically cucking/emasculating him with lesbianism and also making him appear more effeminate and borderline gay?

>>534794379
its because thats how the sonic fanbase has seen him for over a decade now. evan doesnt have an "agenda", she's simply writing silver how the western fanbase sees him. silver was treated as gay even back during the sonic shorts days.
i dont really have a problem with a character like uwuver existing, i just wish it was a different character and not silver

>>534794379
His theme song was sung by a gay guy. His ENG voice actor negatively tainted his perception. Everyone hated him for the IT'S NO USE boss fight (and being the face of 06). The 2000s was a time when you could openly call something gay as an insult. Do the math.

>>534794379
I don't think she was trying to do all those things. She was trying to make him cute. She thought Silver was cute and exaggerated those traits. Evan grew up in a time where it wasn't really expected to play Sonic games in japanese. As far as she was concerned Silver is supposed to be an insecure young boy with a high pitched voice. She is far from the only person with that impression.
Her fanfic version of Silver shows her impressions clearly. And yes, he's straight.

>>534793396 (OP)
>still no Amy OP
Amysisters… Owari da…

>>534794545
>Evan grew up in a time where it wasn't really expected to play Sonic games in japanese
it still isnt, the majority of the fanbase still plays the dub even if its acknowledged by most that it has significant differences from the original japanese. people have versions of the sonic characters in their head, and they like to imagine them with their favorite english va and stuff, so getting them to try and stick with the japanese voices is kind of difficult

>>534794692
Sega's fucktarded writing structure where the Jap script is done SECOND and thus coming across as localized doesn't help.

The Sun and the Moon.
The Wind and the Mountain.

>>534794506
>>534794510
Okay that explains the gay allegations.

>>534794545
And this further contextualizes UwUver.

But again, why all the weird lesbian stuff?

>>534794692
The choice to cast Kirk as Shadow has solidified into a lot of young peoples heads that he is actually supposed to be 50

>>534794510
also part of it is that silver is genuinely a little effeminate in his mannerisms. it makes sense though, for someone who fights with his mind (i.e. doesnt use any physical strength) and also comes from a future where those social norms arent enforced because everythings gone to shit, and people have to worry more about not starving to death than whether or not a guy has slightly fruity mannerisms. however i could be just seeing this from a western perspective, as things like crossed legs while seen as effeminate in the west are considered rude and disrespectful in japan

no amount of explaining the japanese connotation behind crossing legs will counteract the fact that in the west it is visual shorthand for "Gay"

>>534793715
It was me all along, falseflagging as me.

Someone has been acting like this for the past few months and now I'm 99% sure it's falseflagging. He copies my filenames while insulting Shadouge/Shadamy and arguing that Shadria is canon, which always riles up that one Shadougefag and derails the thread. He seems to conveniently do it when I'm not around and he doesn't deny it when he's called my name. Even copied my ritualpost at the beginning of the thread.
He's even gone weirdly quiet now...really microwaves my echidnas.

>>534795014
im aware. that contributes to his perception in the west, but im not sure if him having "effeminate mannerisms" was actually intended on the japanese side of things. but if it was, it would make sense, considering everything else (i.e. silvers disregard for politeness)

>>534795015
Unironically I can’t tell if you’re serious or trolling at this point and that is concerning.

>>534795140
I'm serious, but that's also what a troll would say

>>534795140
It isn't her. You can tell because the falseflagger avoids specifics and tailors their posts to target the raging Shadougefag.

>>534795015
>>534795140
>>534795216
>>534795381
I feel like asking for actual proof but idk what that would even be, but I’m also kind of inclined to just believe it atp

>>534795381
Is that Shadougefag the only one in these threads or just the most vocal and easily offended one?

>>534795482
If the real Krack was that intolerant towards Shadouge, you would see more rageposts against Shadamy and similar non-canon pairings.

>>534795673
So it’s just some guy shitposting to piss off the other guy. Got it.

>>534795814
it's the kind of thing that happens when someone spends 9 months here showing everyone what pisses them off

If the Commander is so broken up about Maria and his own family and everyone else being killed during the massacre of the ARK, why does he work for the same organization that killed them all? Why only blame Shadow?

>trying to jerk to Surge hentai
>Find really great new images
>She has text bubbles confirming that the "viewer" is Sonic
Make it fucking stop already

>>534796173
Sonurge Patriots in control…

>>534794828
people like lesbians, i guess. its seen as more "pure" than a gay male relationship, which is usually seen as very sexually charged and with obvious power dynamics, so its easier to put it in without major pushback while still having the token gay couple
as for why silver gets cucked? its because hes seen more as the "gay friend" and not an actual romantic interest. that and he already has blaze.

I really wish Sonictwt would stop trying to shove Blaze into everything, as if she even needs to be relevant

>>534796301
how the fuck would you even make sonic x blaze unleashed. youd have to rework the entire story, sxsg works because gens already has a non story so tacking shadow on offscreen works

>>534796372
feels good not being a furry

>>534795482
It's all anonymous, so you can attribute posts to people and they can't disprove it. Fun!
I've drawn Shadouge/Shadamy multiple times and publicly liked/supported it. I have nothing against either ship except for the way their fans treat "rival shippers" and how the fanart is often dangerously ooc, but that isn't exclusive to them. Most shippers get territorial over their ship and ignore canon for wish fulfillment. Like how I ignore that Maria is a corpse. Although I guess that's less of a characterization issue and more of a lore issue...

>>534796235
NO
I'M TIRED OF IT
SONURGEFAGS DON'T NEED TO FUCKING MONOPOLIZE SURGE
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO GET INTO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW OOC IT IS
I JUST WANT TO YANK IN PEACE WITHOUT GETTING KEKED BY SONIC HIMSELF
WHAT IS EVEN THE POINT? JUST SHOVING IN THE VIEWER'S FACE THAT THE SURGE FUCKS SONICS? WHY?

>>534796541
Well I can respect your nuance. Although now I am confused why you are treated like such a boogeyman.

>>534796630
>I JUST WANT TO YANK IN PEACE WITHOUT GETTING KEKED BY SONIC HIMSELF
I know that the reason it displays as “KEKED” is because it filters “cucked” but reading this the first time was so funny because of how unexpected “KEKED” was.

>>534796678
I'm stubborn/vocal/obsessive and have bad social skills

>>534796950
But you seem capable of nuance.

>>534797041
Built for Rape.

>>534797041
It's convenient that uwuver's pose is an uwufied version of the channel pose

>>534794379
Localization made him into an insecure whiny faggot and the IDW staff generally hate conventional masculinity/heterosexuality. They're on the American cartoon energy of generally wanting men to be stupid and effeminate and women to be girlbosses which then flanderizes itself over time.

>>534797041
That "..." she puts before saying Silver's "very not that" is always funny.

>>534797582
Cute.

>>534797480
That's the real magic of uwuver. The total sincerity by which Evan rips his character to shreds. She is so certain, so genuine. I can't hate her for this. She thinks it's as simple as talking about Sonic being unable to swim or Shadow being a serious guy.

>>534797019
The people who shitpost against her aren't

Sonic

>>534797041
>…very not that
I fucking love Evan

>>534797041
>>534797480
>>534797628
Does she hate canon Silver now that she knows him, or does she like him?

Silver

So what does /sthg/ think of Shad05?

Shadow

Chroniclesfag wake up I have questions

how to ruin a community of charaterfags:
>take any character
>use it to represent your autism, like posting style, personal opinions, ships etc.
>repeat for months, keep it consistent
>sit back and enjoy the shitstorm
basically, to ruin characterfags you must be a characterfag

>>534797831
She's trying to be accurate to canon Silver and still says he's her favorite so I guess she likes him.

>>534798051
Cool

Amy

>>534798051
She’s trying to be more accurate to Canon Silver? Since when?

>>534798031
Crackships cause insanity in any community

>>534798203
Since a chinese fan on twitter called her out on how poorly she's been representing Silver. Evan said she wants to make him cooler again and acknowledges her mistakes. We haven't see what this will be like yet though, Ian's handled everything since 76

>>534798351
>Since a chinese fan on twitter called her out on how poorly she's been representing Silver.
Further proof that Chinks are the Illuminati.

Metal

Good morning from evropa.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSsNFPk2vNA

I don't think windfag brains work the same way everyone else's does..

Rodents

>>534798704
It's distracting how satam and sonic x both do this weird specific thing with rings and spindashes. Iirc this isn't even intentional.

>>534798182
she's so cuuute

>>534798796
Yes but it gives a purpose to those shitty rings at least.

>>534794065
Wtf is Sunnic

I want to ejaculate in Cosmo's age-inappropriately large butt so much, bros.

>>534798638
They're airheads.

>>534798840
>shadow is meticulous when fucking, but when he got a bad day the neighborhood shakes
>sonic is into cuddles and foreplay more than the act itself
>silver is virgin
>knuckles is gentle

>>534798840
Cinema

Windfags don't sound that bad. They just want Sonic to act like the 2000s games right? That's not so bad. He was cool in those games.

>>534799273
Thanks for your input, totally unbiased third-party non-windfag.

>>534799273
Thanks for your input, fellow windchad.

>>534798840
And then they ran a train on her (except Silver, of course).

>>534799273
Ideally, I don't even need the games to go strictly back to the wind, I just want to games to be cool and if it leans more toward gen z/gen alpha "hype moments and aura" then it's close enough. As long the games don't go into stupid character deconstructions and tumblr therapy speak, the series will be fine

>>534798796
Prime had rings and the characters could spindash without them.

Windfags would trade all of you for an in-character Sonic

>>534798945
Whatever happened to the metal sonic ans shadow fusion character I thought that was pretty cool

>>534799430
Kino

I like Silver. As a foxfag, how could i torture him in the most unspeakable ways? Should i tie him up and suffocate his angelic face with fiona's crimson smelly tail?

>>534799825
is this a joke about how timeskip fiona (age 40) hit on silver (age 14)

>>534799071
Cosmo has a big bottom filled with pollen, and when she farts she spreads it out.

>>534799760
Dunno Might still make an appearance

>>534799825
>>534799889
>Smellfags

>>534798051
Silverfsgs putting their faith in Evan are setting themselves up for big fat failure that or they gonna kill themselves

>>534800157
Evan isn't that bad

>>534799882
Ah, i forgot about this.
How come every fox in this franchise has a fetish for hedgehogs is beyond me.

>>534799273
Sorry windchud, from now on is sonic going to be an ally who support children cutting their penises and their cute supple breast because they're gay. If you disagree you're a racist jpurist incel

*Sigh* Who triggered the Windfags?

>>534800427
I look like this and I say this

Mine-na.

>>534799273
Yes. Windfags are that bad. Even if they are nice. If you let windfags be in charge, you would be begging for Sonic to have LESS screentime.
Remember how annoying it gets when the story stops in place to suck Sonic off? Windfags enjoy it.
Years of Archie and IDW have mind broken them until they hate any attempt to make Sonic grounded. Now they love their Sonic when he's literally Jesus.
Don't bother arguing with them. It won't work. They will always be able to pull up the games.
It doesn't matter to them if the stories in said games are shitty. They love that trash.

>>534798945
I know this technically a fan design that got popular every with springless but I like how Sonic seemingly friendly with her

>>534800316
NOOOO TAILS RAPE IS ILLEGAL!! YOU’RE GONNA GET ARRESTED TRIED IN COURT, AND SENT TO SUPERMAX PRISON WHERE 6’5” HUMAN MALES WILL LINE UP TO DELIVER THE MOST SOUL-CRUSHING BUTT-PULVERIZING BUTTRAPE YOU WILL EVER EXPERIENCE IN YOUR LIFE!!!

>>534800427
JP Purists =\= Windfag
Not all windfags are purists. But all purists are windfags because being a windfag is the default setting for gamefags.

I loathe Silver potentialniggers. You don't like him, you just *want* to like him. You have to spend hours analyzing 06 to convince yourself that it's actually a masterpeice, as if smashing themes and motifs together excuses his complete lack of substance. His entire character and debut game was a cynical attempt to recreate the success of Shadow and SA2 with the hero/ dark motifs. He was changed to a hedgehog with a name that starts with S because they wanted his game to be next to Sonic and Shadow. Outside of 06 the "hedgehog trio" doesn't exist. It doesn't even exist meaningfully in 06.

Every potentialnigger is living in continuous denial that Sonic Team ratfucked nishiyama and now you're stuck with a hodgepodge of totally disconnected concepts. Look at your boy. Shoved into a box with a Hardlight OC.

>>534796630
The blue bvll

>>534800662
>love their Sonic when he's literally Jesus
Yes

>>534800947
Gem

>>534800989
Windtards when you point out that Eggmoon assassinates the entire main cast

>>534800834
That sounds all very painful if it wasn't for the fact sonic is now a whore open for business.

Where is Sparky?
He is the only W*ndfag I respect.

>>534800662
>characterfags will shill their character
why yes

Rivalsver is constantly taken out of context. Everyone in that game is blunt and hostile because it's a racing game with short text boxes.
It's like using Frontiers to prove any character is somber.

Mario is the sun. He's the embodiment of life, desire, hope, power, and renewal. He is the ever-present celestial object that is always ascending above us. He is distant, but also personal, inspiring, and always in view (as a metaphor for the self). Be like Mario.

>>534801140
I thought he was your ultimate enemy

>>534801140
Except, you don't respect anyone. Doctor.

Mario doesn't think about you at all

>>534800745
.exe usually have Sonic torture everyone bit this one can play nice for a bit he almost always ends up torturing Tails and Knuckles for shita and giggles Eggman works for him so he's safe

>>534801424
It's funny how the average cup size in Archie is seen as huge in idw

>>534800947
I like Silver because he has a cool design and powers and some of his stages are fun

>>534801370
He gets to be my ultimate enemy because he is a worthy and respectable foe. I'm not gonna waste my time destroying the disingenuous W*ndfag down the street.
>>534801424
Shut up, child slapper.

>>534800662
This so much this! I want Sonic to be a non binary transbians like myself, Windnic is boring and has no Character Development not too mention it's too Japanese(problematic writing)
Hope this helps!

>>534801531
How can windfags be disingenuous when Sonic is always genuine?

>>534801140
>>534801370
>>534801424
>>534801531
Peak Fiction

>>534801495
>child slapper.
It was only ONE TIME, geeze...

sonic had... a rough transition

>>534801635
They self-insert as Sonic so they can feel like they're better than they actually are. That's the whole point.
Another reason Sparky is based is because he openly says he self-inserts as Tails and doesn't play-pretend (as much).

>>534801140
What's up, doc?
...I did not intend for that to sound like Bugs Bunny.

>>534801593
You know as well as I do that windfags would sacrifice Ian just to have more canon

Windfags are literally the only people who should write Sonic stories. Go ahead and change my mind. I'll listen

>>534801479
Fuck I forgot about Maigo Sonic genuinely gets along with him

It bugs me that there was no Aquaman equivalent in the DC Sonic crossover.

It's all very interesting, let's talk about sally's ass now.

>>534801958
>Go ahead and change my mind
SKIDADDLE, SKIDOODLE
Your mind is now changed and your dick is now a noodle

>>534801958
The most ideal person to write a Sonic story is one that appreciates all the characters. Someone who understands the wind, the sky, the roses, the mountain, and everything in-between.

>>534798840
Shadow knows sex!?!?!?

>>534802109
light chuckle

>>534802109
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>534798840
Shadow is the type of boy to be satisfied just from going down on a woman he loves. He worships pussy and forgets to get himself off

"Wind" is a cellphone ISP provider here in south europe, so every time i read you guys having an argument on that it feels weird to me. Sonic is not an internet provider.

>>534802236
Shadow is a male prostitute

>>534800947
People that actually analyze 06 aren't potentialfags. Potentialfags think he's a blank slate and don't care about the themes. I don't think 06 is even a good game but it and Silver do have substance.

>>534802547
yes he is.

>>534793396 (OP)
>OP
Peak

>>534802547
Actually, it's "Wind 3" now.

>>534802662
No he's not. Even though he goes fast, geoffrey connects faster.

>>534801479
The official bio confirm this but that's doesn't seem like it be the case for long it's tired of acting like Sonic

>>534802409
I NEED TO RAPE SHADOW

>>534802773
They both sucked ass so they fused to suck even more ass, like sonic.

>>534801805
Sparky. What is Volcanix's arc in your project, if he has any?
From my perspective, the W*nd and the M*untain would logically have opposite arcs to their development. Knuckles is focused on one goal, one path, one dream, and his villain would logically reflect that in all the worst possible ways by being obsessed, willing to sacrifice everyone around him to achieve his goal. In contrast, Sonic would be the opposite; he is goalless, purposeless, dreamless, and will ruin the path to a goal on a whim.
Now, I already know how to make an arc for Sonic. It's easy to think up of a story where you need to compromise to reach a solution, but I have trouble thinking of one where you need to NOT compromise to fix the problem. I don't want to be cheap and go full "Power of friendship", although that is a part of it, I think it should come more as a product of some other realization.
Since you don't think Knuckles is the moral paragon like Sonic, you probably have an arc for him, right?

>>534802648
Nah. The Japanese as a people generally can't write they just adlib bullshit.

>>534802773
the FVARKING TITANS, my HEROES

>>534802573
Shadow is a slut for human women

>>534802947
If that's what you want to believe. Schizo.

Pitch a Mountain game to me. It ABSOLUTELY can't have Sonic in it.

>>534803051
No

>>534803124
>hmomacucks need to edit hfomagod art
MADE
FOR
HUMAN
WOMEN

>>534803119
shitkles can't carry a game

>>534803051
>>534803124
He’s a slut for both

If the Wind can carry a game, then you better believe a Mountain game will do the same.

>>534803351
shitkles has 0 unique appeal

Tails.. Stop teasing random people on the streets..

>>534803475
insecure shitdowfag detected

>>534803601
I thought Rouge's boots were penises in the middle panel. I've seen too much porn.

>>534803601
shitklesfags never beating the seething at shadow allegations

>>534802573
So that's where boku comes from
>man servant

>>534802059
Poor Tails lol

I’m now just realizing that gold is extremely similar to whisper. Right down to being associated with silver

>>534803089
I've consumed enough Japanese media to know what a Japanese slop looks like. It's a dreamy and confusing slurry that approximates meaning so it can be le deep.

>Mephiles is Shadow's shadow
whoooaaaahhh

>>534803772
>Duotroon phrasing
Hmmm...

>>534803941
duofag didn't invent the phrase dumbass

>>534803787
when shadow is woken up in sa2 he says he'll grant his "master" a wish
in sonic battle shadow says he is a weapon to be used by his "master"
i feel like it's an overlooked trait that shadow takes comfort in being used and guided, but only by specific people

>>534804072
LOL

>>534803821
He gonna be the one to save the trapped souls isn't he

>>534803836
All designed by Evan

>>534803601
So uhh which one is more likely to be in-character/canon. Knuxouge or Shadouge?

HOLY MOLY /STHG/ LOOK AT THIS IMAGE! THIS IS NOT FAKE!

>>534804063
He's the only fucktard who uses the phrase here, you idiotic chimp-brained faggot.

>>534804190
The Raped

>>534803896
I think you just can't meet things at their own level.

>>534799559
Non-windfags would trade all windfags for one corn chip

>>534804217
No, this can't be.

>>534804353
Silver and 06 are pretentious and try to be at a level they clearly aren't.

>>534804190
>Blonde hair
>Blue eyes
If they didn't all have brown skin I'd say that Evan supports the Aryan master race.

>>534804291
mindbroken by bestieposting lmfao

Is the teen who hates the whiteboard sick or something?
The whiteboard was posted last night but he didn't reply 15 times to it, then that other guy did his edit removing art he doesn't like and he didn't spam replies to that either.
Did he finally kill himself?

>>534804217
This is the biggest Flynn update since he shut down the Bumblekast

>>534804217
Damn the Bumblekast shut down really broke him like crazy

>>534804556
You're still overstanding them.

>>534804693
>Knucklesfags are Amyfags now

>>534803601
Dude, I literally agree with you and hate Shadow, but PLEASE don't post these cringy ass Knuxouge comics. I just wanna help you out here.

>>534804217
Is this going to become a new meme?

>>534804693
How is basic pattern recognition equal to being mindbroken? Come down off that high horse, gorilla.

>>534804217
Is this real? I saw this on Xitter too.

Up and down and all around

>>534803821
Not even Knuckles likes Tails from the little we see them interact

>>534804718
The biggest autist can only push so far for a decade or so before moving on.

Example pic related, without his poster, will lose the status as one of the most posted pics of all times on 4chan.

>>534802946
>Sparky. What is Volcanix's arc in your project, if he has any?
I've been revising my plans for that a lot, lately. I think I'm actually very unsure of what my overall plans for him should be.

The plans for Volcanix are focused more on rebuilding the initial premise and set-up behind his Knuckles role, by using Kevin 11 in Ben 10 Omniverse during the "Rooters" arc to recontextualize and add to the "Sonic vs Knuckles" rivalry, framing it as "Sonic" being seen as a threat to the world so "Knuckles" is being used as a weapon to take him out. And using Terra from Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep to add to and recontextualize the "tricked by Eggman" aspect, because another idea is "Iblis" being sealed inside of him, which then means that most of the plot around him is the villain(s) trying to get Volcanix to "erupt".

But for Volcanix's arc specifically, my ideas usually center around having him be obsessed with "Power", and having to learn "Responsibility", mostly because that's more-so inspired by my real life friend that Volcanix is supposed to represent. But that didn't fit, well, the KNUCKLES role he's meant to have against Energy, so I had to just readjust those ideas as his backstory/origin. Another aspect, I guess, is a sense of wanting to restore honor to his family or whatever, which I guess is just the Movie Knuckles direction but crossed with the weight of what the Knuckles Clan are like in the games where they were a power hungry clan of conquerors but were wiped out as a result of that.

But beyond all that, I feel like I'm actually not 100% sure of what I should do with Volcanix and his arc in the long-run. Beyond the vague sense that I want him to be a Superman figure, a Guardian of the world as a whole. I need to really think this through a lot more. I probably haven't focused on him enough.

>>534805283
“@Grok is this true?”

>>534805384
did you mean to post the barneyfag pic

>flynn
>feminist
>yurifaggot
>cuckold
Every time.

>>534805384
Nta that's barely 45th most posted, surpassing Carlos.

>>534804998
>shitting on chimishiro
Fuck you, he shills the Canon Trifecta and also does subtle SonKnux, She is Based.

>>534806082
Ah fuck, they lied o me.

>>534806037
Don't forget being an archiefag

>>534806184
Hey man, I tried to help you out, but you do you.

>>534802946
>Now, I already know how to make an arc for Sonic. It's easy to think up of a story where you need to compromise to reach a solution, but I have trouble thinking of one where you need to NOT compromise to fix the problem.
Actually, I'd say that both Sonic and Knuckles are inherently uncompromising.

Sonic is unstoppable. Knuckles is immovable. Both are rooted in a sense of stubbornness, but in opposite ways. Sonic will do what he wants even if the world tells him he's wrong, Knuckles will stand firm in his duties in spite of even his own desires. You can't change either of their minds, and neither will compromise. It's that very factor that would make them rivals in the first place.

>>534804998
>hate Shadow
Why are you gay?

>>534804862
It's completely deserved. Silver and 06 shat the bed so hard with its themes that we had to get a new subseries.

>>534806591
The themes didn't do that the game being unfinished did.

Sonic fans killed Sonic.

>>534793396 (OP)
Give me one good reason I should post here today. Why should I sit through the same 4 discussions we always have about Twitter, Namefags, IDW and Ian and not about Sonic?

>>534800947
Silver's appeal lies in his unique role as a tragic, time-displaced hero, his desperation to save a doomed future gave him more raw narrative weight than most Sonic characters ever get. While *06* was flawed, his core concept being a hero who might have to become a villain to do the right thing was compelling. Fans don’t need to pretend *06* was perfect to appreciate that.

As for "potentialnigger" discourse? Grow up. Liking a character doesn’t require delusion, it’s okay to acknowledge flaws while still valuing what worked. Silver’s best moments prove he doesn’t need forced hedgehog tropes to matter.

>>534806772
Talk about Sonic the Wind and how Westerners are trying to compromise that

Autism saved Sonic

>>534806136
You faggots like this this ship the best? ew

>>534805438
Why do faggots insist on making Sonic vs Knuckles art still? They're friends and Knuckles is factually lame. Shadow was always Sonic's true rival and they look better together than the bright ADHD combination of Sonic and Knuckles.

>>534798351
I think they advertised that she'll be taking back the reins when #84 rolls by. Shame that it's the Sage arc so Silver isn't involved.

>>534806906
Buddy, Sonic hasn't been like the wind since 2009. Not to mention, the Japanese made forces. Mind telling me how he was like the wind in that one? Hard mode: dont come to me with that bullshit saying "they made it for western audiences"

>>534806983
Knuckles was Sonic’s first rival before Shadow even existed, insecure Shadowfag

>>534806669
Yes they absolutely did. People disliked 06, Secret Rings, and Black Knight because they were lame and un-Sonic. Everyone compared them to Final Fantasy. People criticized SA2 but gave it a pass because it was an action movie and they mostly missed or ignored the themes.

Sonic is the thesis.
Knuckles is the antithesis.

Sonic is the wind, Knuckles is the mountain.

"The Wind" is the thesis statement of the franchise. "The Mountain" is the anti-thesis. The counter-argument.

Knuckles exists to be the counter argument against Sonic. If "The Wind" is the ideal, then "The Mountain" critics that ideal by pointing out all the reasons why it shouldn't work. If Sonic is the moral paragon, then Knuckles has to also be a moral paragon in a sense, or have that level of authority to challenge Sonic's own moral standing. Everyone that argues against the wind, that doesn't like this aspect of Sonic and tries to change it, that is how Knuckles should be characterized. The opposition against Sonic's perspective.

>>534806983
Knuckles is the definitive Anti-Sonic. Sonic vs Knuckles is BASED.

>They're friends
Canonically, they are Friendly RIVALS. Fighting Buddies. They are, and always will be, RIVALS. The kind of best bros that never get along, and never will, even when they have each other's back as friends on the same team hanging out in the same group. That will NEVER be Sonic & Shadow, that will ALWAYS be Sonic & Knuckles.

>Writing discourse
>Shipping discourse
>decision discourse
You mangos dont even have friends, relationships nor do you ever work, what makes you talk about such thing and never to realize the gaming company relies on games?
Here let's try to talk about gameplay and game design:

Oh my fucking God, Sparky is here. Fuck this, I'm out.

>>534807346
What took you so long to notice?

Metal Sonic is the only good rival

>>534806983
Shut up tranny
Next you're going to tell us you don't suck SA2 dick for relevance.

>>534806983
Dow fatigue..

>>534806332
"Compromise" in the sense of sacrifice. If Sonic does something, it's cause he wants to. If Knuckles does something, it's because it's his duty. The difference between want and sacrifice.

>>534807193
Shut the fuck up Sparky

>>534807310
People never talk about gameplay in these threads. I honestly kind of wonder why that is.

>>534807173
Black Knight and Secret Rings weren't hated like 06. Nobody even knows those games have themes.

When we needed them the most, they were gooning

>>534807593
shitmyfag..

Knuckles should be the guy that says "Actually, Sonic ISN'T the coolest, and here's why! First Reason:" and then he just punches Sonic in the face so hard, Sonic is sent flying around the entire globe. "Next reason", and Knuckles punches Sonic again once he circles back around, sending him up sky high. Then when Sonic is coming back down, Knuckles leaps up and grabs Sonic and slams him down into the ground so hard, it creates a giant crater that cracks the planet open a bit.

And then Sonic's like "Pretty solid argument, Knux... But have you considered this?" and then Knuckles is torn to shreds by a giant blue hurricane tornado thing.

>>534807310
The characters were always why people liked this franchise, not the gameplay

>>534807801
>Turned to shreds by air
You fags are over estimating the protagonist

>>534807656
If you're framing the story as Sonic needing to sacrifice, then Knuckles' story should be Knuckles needing to NOT sacrifice.

That's actually a scenario I wanna do for a character I have, a girl that always puts the needs of others above herself. Like super self-sacrificing to absurd degrees, so there's a point where she has to actually put her foot down and put herself first, and actually be a bit selfish, or else she'd be letting people walk all over her.

That specific scenario obviously doesn't make sense for Knuckles, though.

>>534807919
Retard. Knuckles got his ass handed to him by Sonic in his debut game

Sonic is like the Wind

G'mornin

Why can’t we have side media without shitty OCs?

>>534808235
morning <3+*

>>534809072
Pinkpanthress coded

>>534809072
She looks so cute in jeans!!

>>534808235
Morning! It's night here in Mumbai but whatevs

>>534809498
This artist has said she uses Pinkpanthress for inspiration her she's well liked in the Sonic Fandom <33+*

>>534809704
>Mumbai
Eyo Rajneesh how’s it going?

>>534809704
I hope you have a lovely night then!

>>534809743
>Proved she wasn't a one hit wonder

Yeah people really want her to produce some tracks for Sonic

>>534809983
Amyfags will never beat the besties allegations.

>>534808235
>>534809072
>>534809696
>>534809704
>>534809850
Kill yourself samefag cuck

>>534809983
The boy's a lair

>>534810335
I'm suspecting he's the Tailspedo but switched to targeting Amy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r3IHDr7M2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnH0cnJck6g

>>534810461
>>534810335
Why are you guys this paranoid?

Imagine a girly pop year, to a fandom that hates women kek

>>534810717
qt

>>534810717

>>534810659
believe it <3 ok but lol if they do go the soft girl girly pop route with Amy leading up to movie and shit most people would just be happy she's not a forced girl boss or some shit

>>534811113
why blaze has more boob than amy? is she crying of happiness?

Shadow offers himself for free

>>534809793
It's fine a women just got raped yesterday but it's only because she's a dalit but it's like that every day
>>534810335
Schizo

>>534811536
you really like this slim amy artstyle, huh? It's very early 2000 core

>>534806983
Because they look cool fighting. Isn't that good enough?
Besides, they're the type of people to get into a boss fight against each other and immediately team up against Chaos 4. It's just fun.

>>534811536
My dearest

>>534811693
Yes these days but generally it's doesn't matter

>>534811693
>>534812137
Another common thing with Amy art now is her in these eerie situations sometimes on the nose or subtle like this

>>534812261
I like that a lot too

>>534812261
wait what do you mean?

>>534804670
No it's just the creatively bankrupt thing where if a character has brown/dark skin, their hair has be be some variation of blond/white/gray for contrast and to make them interesting it can't be brown eyes, so they always default to blue. You'll see this shit a lot in animes or anime artstyled games that happen to have brown characters and I think its a very tired and dull trope

>>534809983
Epic Fail

>>534807681
>>534807820
>

>>534811048
>believe it <3 ok but lol
> most people would just be happy

Rouge who goes crazy after years of censorship

>>534813368
Cringe text aside, that person is right especially after the backlash Peach got in the Mario movie.

>>534813591
>>534813180
>>534812994
>>534812665
I am noticing a theme in these

>>534804718
How do I get to your whiteboard?

>>534813859
she's doing just fine

>>534814639
>>534814431
I am scared of psycho amy, but weirdly enough I like it when she is possessed by a ghost, I don't find that creepy somehow

It's gonna get better, /sthg/. I don't know how, I don't know when. But it will get better. One day, hopefully in our lifetime, we'll be able to see another good Sonic game.

>>534814886
If Amyfags shut the fuck up first we'd have it better, but that's a really hard step

>>534814639
Haha Metal special effect makeup is so good it's almost like that is Sonic face slapped on to his face :)

>>534807310
How should Sonic level design be altered in order to better fit an open world environment?

>>534815420
fine I'll stop sorry

>>534815420
What a baby

>>534814318
lurk a bit longer

>>534815968
tony hawk

>>534814886
Don’t even care anymore, give me more movies and shows and I’m good

>>534813723
Hard disagree. The "soft girl girly pop" route for Amy would be just as creatively bankrupt as the "girlboss" trope, just another lazy stereotype slapped onto a character who’s never been allowed to evolve organically, the problem isn’t "strong vs cute" it’s that sega (and her retarded fags) keep reducing her to vibes instead of giving her real agency

>>534815968
It's absolutely imperative they fix how dogshit the game looks first and foremost. Frontiers' visuals were utter trash, much like the rest of the game. But to even make it playable, they'll need to fix the visuals and while they're at it, remove fucking boost already.

>>534816191
Tony Hawk levels are all about giving the player multiple options at any moment. How would that translate into Sonic gameplay?

>>534816464
True. I would have given up at this point if it hadn't been for the movies showing me what Sonic can and should be.

>>534816625
There is a mod that tries to do that. What do you think of it?

>>534815968
Mix the actual roads with the environment, there's a beginning and an end goal everywhere. like god of war.

>>534793396 (OP)
SEGA mandates are warranted

>>534816649
>put stage gimmicks eveywhere
>have every stage gimmick be themed

The top of a chili dog stand? Trampoline. An onning? Also a trampoline. Laundry line? A bungee line that can be swung on, bounced on, etc. An electric cable? Also a bungee line. Everything is grindable.

>>534816896
Does it fix the pop in and the characters idly standing and minorly moving their hands while they talk? I mean, at some point you're just polishing a turd. I put like 110 hours into that game. I wanted to like it. I doubt a mod would sway my opinion about it. I could give it a chance, but then I run into the dull collectathon gameplay. I would need like, 100 mods to make that game into anything I'd want to play, and at that point, why wouldn't I play what I want to?

Im glad that mod exists, but its a minor bandage on a gaping wound.

>>534816089
Not gonna lie, I keep fail miserably lurking for it

>>534816896
God I really hope Frontiers 2 doesn't have the random lines and platforms in the sky and baby random puzzles landmarks. If they are doing open world again, I hope they take notes from some fan games where the platforms and shit are built into the terrain

>>534804024
Why is it black?

>>534817186
>there's a beginning and an end goal everywhere
I think they did that intentionally. Those short platforming sequence spit you out to consider your next options (guardians, puzzles, cyberspace, memory tokens.)

>>534816237
>>534816452
I feel sorry for you Blazenerds, you only have sustenance when you disturb our queen, you and silvershitters are just the same lol

>>534817542
The issue comes with trying to get investors to allocate money into a project like Sonic.

Why, as an investor, should I invest in Sonic, when no matter the quality of the games, sells anyways? Why not take the money Sonic makes and say, put it into Yakuza instead, where Japan actually likes that series? The truth is, there won't ever be a time again that SEGA's gonna put resources into Sonic. There's no need. It sells already.

>>534816475
>soft girl girly pop
>reducing her to vibes
You didn't pay attention to anything any Amy fags said if thats what you think. There's a middle ground, its TMOSTH and the last arc of idw. Capable and strong, takes no shit from people, but is still bubbly and girly. End of story

>>534817267
I think Sonic CD levels are kinda like that, especially Collision Chaos.

>>534818029
>ShItDW
>The game where everyone is a tumblr ooc
I pity you.

>>534803124
>>534803252
>Shado with men is smiling
>Shado with women is frowning

>>534818149
Sonic CD is a fucking mess tho, there's no place to run

>>534817542
Shadow Gens kinda did that with White Space

>>534816475
>keep reducing her to vibes instead of giving her real agency
This but with literally every character.

>>534818338
I don't get why people think Amyfags are some impossible group to please, every fucking panel of the riders arc where she showed up you had actual females coming out of the woodworks saying "yass Amy's back again". There was so much praise for her portrayal in tmosth. And even more for Evan clearly listening to the critique of her other portrayals like Frontiers. It's really simple. 2000s Amy without the stalker nonsense and she's fixed.

>>534818493
You are supposed to use the stage gimmicks to your advantage, not fight against them

Windnic is a hyperniche interpretation of Sonic the Hedgehog. Most every normal person and fan of Sonic knows him as his 90s attitude version, or Roger's burn out surferbro, or now, Ben Schwartz.
No one know, or cares about windnic and every time SEGA writes him like that, the game flops, every time. No one likes the Wind characterization.

>>534818963
>without the stalker nonsense
>fixed

During the past few days, what caused Amyfags to be all uppity?

>>534818970
>You are supposed to use the stage gimmicks to your advantage, not fight against them
Do you know what game series this is?

>>534819296
That's how Sonic CD is designed. All those attractions aid in time travel

>>534819221
Yes, fixed. Because her becoming a stalker was flanderized version of her character by Sonic X, Heroes and Battle. She was never that bad in the adventure games and her chasing Sonic over a cute crush and tarot card predictions got over inflated into her being a crazy bitch that'll harm sonic for now bowing down to her whims

Nite and Don won't be able to get married anymore.

The more I look at Silver's story in 06, the more I notice that the morally grey character who will do anything to fix the future is actually Blaze, not Silver

>>534819634
>She was never that bad
LMAO. She went to Little Planet just to meet Sonic.

>>534819689
And unlike Silver, she actually does something that works.

>>534819689
The more I look at Blaze the more I think she's Silver's girlfriend

>>534819634
*for not
>>534819732
That's her introduction you doofus. She sought him out because of her tarot card predictions and then later on becomes a friend of his that grows as a character by the end of the Adventure games. Then that part of her character got flanderized and turned to the max

4th Doctor - IDW Sonic
5th Doctor - Tails
9th Doctor - Shadow if Maria died much later in life
11th Doctor - Archie Tails
13th Doctor - Amy
15th Doctor - X Sonic.

>>534819689
That's more reason why she's so forced in there, she feels like she's agreeing with everyone rather then having a melty at least once.

>>534820018
Doctor Who is complete trash.

>>534820018
The fourth doctor is Japanese Sonic sure he is preachy but he also will just kill people.

>>534819793
>works
It never worked she just died off, silver had to team up to kill god.

Maybe Evan should canonize Gold so Silver has a proper tard wrangler from his time period

>>534819961
Because Amy is not supposed to be anything else but a fangirl, her becoming a hero is out of character.

>>534820357
Silver was Gold's tard wrangler in the Silver Age.

>>534820231
>It never worked
The ending gives Silver his blue skies at the cost of his friend's life. It worked

>>534820215
Yes but he usually only kills at a necessity or leads the villains to just do themselves in

Do you think Neo Metal will be the villain for Movie 4? Or will it be a total Metal Sonic invasion? How do you think the plot will play out?

>>534819668
There's no way that goes through. All hell breaks loose if it does.

>>534820597
They didn't do anything when 177 names were listed on Epstiens list, they didn't give a shit when Isreal starved Gaza, what makes you think those lazy faggots would do anything about this?

>>534820420
>Silver was Gold's tard wrangler
Evan really didn't understand Silver

>>534820357
They should both be relegated to the comics only

>>534820451
That is how Japanese Sonic operates.

>>534820360
>becoming a hero is out of character.
No it isn't, she has the development to back it up and it's regularly enforced by SOJ that she regularly trains herself. She was inspired by Sonic like every other friend he has.
Her BECOMING (as in implying progression from a previous state) is supported by on screen development which is different from flanderization that isn't addressed in story and is just the will of a writer writing ooc because they don't understand the character and they dont actually realize they've changed the character.

>>534820420
>>534820762
It's so weird how Evan wrote Silver as actually being intelligent in the Silver Age only to make him mentally retarded in IDW.

Does Evan understand Tails?

Uwuver has proven to be more popular and more accepted than his Trunks2 personality. Its only a matter of time before he acts that way in the games. SEGA always bends the knee to popularity

You can't "fix" Blaze in 06 because the problem is Silvaze. The answer to the question "how to make 06 Blaze better?" is just various flavors of "delete Silvaze".

>>534820971
Everything you just said is wrong.

>>534821152
And yet, you have provided nothing to discredit it, curious.

>>534820971
I'm getting scared

>>534815420
No

>>534820971
From what reality did you come from? everything you said was just wrong

>>534820971
>more popular and more accepted than his Trunks2 personality
Only on twitter by tumblr refugee trannies. The general public that are even remotely aware of his character only knows that he's another hedgehog like Sonic and Shadow that can go super which means he must be cool.
>Its only a matter of time before he acts that way in the games.
Evan already acknowledged the faults with how she wrote him and wants to change that. It won't even get a chance to make it into the games at this point.

>>534820357
>I don't know who Gold is but i bet she'd be Blaze!
Read nigga read!

>>534821330
Evan has plenty of other problems. She wrote Eggman out of character but no one cares.

>>534821314
>>534821224

>>534821224
>Trunks2 personality
Silver is a rude hot-headed delinquent not Trunks. You don't know anything about either character.
>Its only a matter of time before he acts that way in the games. SEGA always bends the knee to popularity
Even Evan has abandoned that take on Silver. The only one writing him OOC at this point is Ian.

>>534793396 (OP)
>Cross the Worlds - (Opening ver.) - Performed by James Bourne of Busted
This sucks

>>534821474
It wouldn't matter who she is because even if Evan made her real, she'd need to be completely different since Archie owns the original one.

>>534821724
SEGA owns all the Reboot characters.

>>534821330
SEGA's entire view of this fanbase is based on Twitter. If you want things to be better, they'll only listen to feedback (if, at all) on there. You can cry all you want about it, but to SEGA, the only opinion that matters is Twitter, so they can directly view engagement.

>>534821224
>has no proof of what he said
>"aha you didn't prove your point when you disagreed with me!"
How about the fact that everyone hates how Silver acts in idw and tsr? or that his fans actually agree on hating the same thing? or that Evan literally changed her mind about how to draw him and write him? or the fact the only tards that hate canonver are IDW trannies aka very new fakefags?

>>534821657
Was Silver even OOC in 79? He wasn't even uwuver, the problem was his powers being nerfed to make sure the crying lesbians have their moment

>>534821859
He was the retarded uncappable type pf uwuver, The Ian type.

>>534821818
Wait until you hear how his 06 personality was received.

>>534821859
I think they're still figuring him out. They know he's not the character they've been writing but they still don't understand him beyond "he's serious".

>>534820357
>>534820420
>>534821724
Change the character from another dimension with a character from another dimension, that will fix everything!
You retards deserve the gas chambers.

>>534822001
Is that really uwuver then? That's a different kind of ooc Silver, but it's not the same thing. The attitude and direction is there between 76 and 79, but it's hindered by the fact Ian needs to force his lesbian fetish and push the male character out of the way. He's retarded and incapable not to make him cute, but to prop up the girlbosses

>>534822031
>Wait til you-
I know, it was very well received now, unlike you i actually know what i'm talking about and not barking like a tard trying to act smart.

Why does no one care about Evan Stanley's other screw-ups? It is always just silver silver silver

>>534822314
You're earnestly telling me that Silver was well received in 06? Genuinely? And youre calling ME the retard??

>>534822227
>The attitude and direction is there
It's really not. Ian hasn't changed how he writes Silver yet. He's still incompetent, easily distracted and polite. He's just being drawn correctly.

>>534822227
>He's retarded and incapable not to make him cute
To women, that is considered cute.

>people hated how he is in 06, TSR, and IDW
>people liked how he was in Rivals, Colors DS, and Otherworldy Comedy
the problem is a specific dynamic with Blaze that their stories tend to converge on (Silvaze).

>>534822427
What other screw-ups?

>>534822430
Yes, you're a slop eating retard that never hears or reads, but just take things in face value and perceives them as facts, a natural type of strong ignorance that is also called retardation

>>534822427
Silver is both her main thing and most blatantly wrong one. Everyone else you have to get into minutia for.

Hello

>>534822580
Eggman, Cream, Shadow.

>>534822718
Elaborate.

>>534822438
>He's still incompetent, easily distracted and polite.
I don't know, he seemed pretty assertive and focused on tard wrangling the crying lesbian's failed therapy circle. I was actually surprised they let him bark down a group of women like that, but I guess it was too good to be true with 79.
>>534822475
Yeah but with Ian, I don't think the intent is there like it was with Evan.

>>534822608
Ah, youre merely a coping and seething silverfag. Checks out

>>534822779
Did you read Chao Races, Phantom Rider, or Misadventures?

I would agree to remove Blaze from 06, but adding Gold is literally the same exact problem. you fags who act like you care about characters never fucking did and you really slipped there.

>>534820741
Mostly the fact that this affects them personally. They might be loud but limpdick about celeb scandals and foreign countries, but it's another story when it's in your backyard.

>>534822876
Yes.

We all know that the perpetrators that let Uwuver continue were shippers who are most of Silver's fanbase

Sonic is as free as the wind.
Tails wants to reach the heavens.
Amy is full of love and passion.
Knuckles is an immovable mountain.

As long as you understand these core concepts, everything else about them should fall into place.

>>534820970
Nobody currently writing in this franchise does

"Silver and Blaze are good when they're equals" but its actually beating up Orbot and Cubot before Silver becomes retarded again

>>534822540
No normal fan gives a shit about ships my guy. He just sucks most interpretations, and uwuver is the only one normies liked.

>>534822718
Eggman did what now???

>>534823073
What are talking about.

>>534823001
Non of them ever let uwuver continue, its mostly fags who don't care about Silver, and i mean it, every fag who disagreed and want uwuver to continue was either a shadow, an idw or a Blazefag

>>534823051
Sonic needs to learn to compromise
Tails needs to learn how to live looking down
Amy needs to keep some of that love to herself
Knuckles needs to learn to be greedy and selifish

As long as you understand these basic character developments, everything else about them should fall into place.

>>534822876
>Phantom Rider
Isn't working with Eggman more of a Sonic writing fuckup?

>>534822427
Because Silverfags are the loudest and most annoying posters on the board, bar none.

Nobody is going to start a thread war over how she writes Eggman or Shadow because their fans aren't a hivemind of perpetually aggrieved victims who think their boy is entitled to the world. You guys can't go one thread without bringing him up, crying when people make fun of him, and then blaming the writers. It's a self-sustaining cycle of seethe and you're the ones pedaling the bike.

>>534823051
Thay haven't been written like that since 2009. I refuse to accept these characterizations because they haven't been that way longer than they have.

>>534820971
If the games want to continue their momentum they’ll ignore Silver completely

>>534822691
I usually dislike human sonic characters but this one is adorable. source?

>>534823314
It is both, but more overly Eggman as he is the one in recent media throwing fits about having to work with Sonic.

Even Prime kind of got this right.

>>534823123
Eggman casually works with Sonic. That is massively OOC.

>>534823212
Everyone keeps talking about how to fix Silver without addressing the actual problem is that his dynamic with Blaze turns him into an angsty faggot or crashout unless they're just beating up robots together.

>>534823320
And the writing since 2009 has been shit for that reason. Retvrn

>>534823320
>Thay haven't been written like that since 2009
This is objectively false, because whenever Sonic Team portrays or even describes the character directly, absolutely nothing has changed.

>>534823396
It's from an artist named Rodos on pixiv. I haven't looked much into it, I only had that one saved. I like some humanizations

>>534822718
All of these aren't even directly her fault unlike Silver. Uwuver can be traced back to Evan, but I'm not sure what's wrong with Eggman considering he's just been in the background for a while. I thought she wrote him fine. in Urban Warfare.
Cream is on the receiving end of soj demoting her to "little child that can't do anything" status. Evan didn't do that, only followed it.
And Shadow everyone fucks him up outside soj, but nothing's as bad as what Ian did to him in MV.

I'm free as the wind fast as lightning and most importantly mentally unwell

>>534823563
SEGA will never write like that again. Its time to accept that and move on. Its been 16 years, if they had ANY interest in writing them that way, they would have.

>>534823642
Shadow is written as bad as MV Shadow in Chao Races.

Eggman does not work with Sonic unless necessary.

>>534823506
They both did???

>>534823612
Yes this is true. No one is eager to defend them.

We complained about Team Sonic and Eggman working together at the start of the arc but then forgot about it immediately.

>>534823609
Explain to me then how Sonic being all smiles and perfectly content in a prison cell for 6 months, being tortured by the way, was like the wind. I will wait for your cope. How is Sonic and Tails squabbling over minor misunderstandings in Lost World at all like the Wind? You're reaching.

>>534823001
You can't point to any one thing with Silver it's always at least three. For Uwuver it's a combination of shippers and the 06 localization infantilizing him and giving him a high pitched voice. Ian and many others had no idea of his intended personality and just read him as an insecure dweeb which is why even Archie is Proto-Uwuver.

>>534823721
Well then I’m done with SEGA. Paramount my beloved will save me and this franchise

>>534823609
Yeah then you remember all the character inconsistencies in the 2000s games

>>534823642
>Cream is on the receiving end of soj demoting her to "little child that can't do anything" status
Nah Dream Team handled her better.

The mandates for Cream are easy to work around.

>>534823612
Evan's fuck ups with characters besides Silver are minor compared to the egregious shit we've seen from Ian that turns character completely opposite of themselves. Silver is the only one where she completely headcanoned herself a different version of him and its funny because hes the one she cares about the most.
It's very telling actually considering how women tend to treat their favorite characters by pushing all their favorite headcanons and traits onto them. Characters a woman doesn't care for, but doesnt hate can remain mostly intact (maybe with missing minor details) because shes not focused on forcing arbitrary traits onto them.

>>534823001
>Most of Silverfags are shippers
>they want him dependent and confident
>relation with Blaze does not allow that
>uwuver is completely ooc and out of lore
The math doesn't add up here

Sonic
>I'll never look back. I've got no regrets. 'Cause time doesn't wait for me. I choose to go my own way.

Tails
>I wanna fly high so I can reach the highest of all the heavens. Someone will be waiting for me, so I have gotta fly higher.

Amy
>I'll always be there for you in the best and worst times. You can be my sweetest honey for all eternity.

Knuckles
>Born on an island in the heavens, the blood of my ancestors flows inside me. My duty is to guard the Master Emerald.

This is who the Core 4 are at their core.

>>534823878
>>534823962
I don't let minor inconsistencies born from writers not entirely familiar with the nuances of the character ruin the character themselves for me. The characters at their core have not officially changed at all, at the end of the day.

>>534823975
>Nah Dream Team handled her better.
Only out of response for people complaining she's not been around and hardlight confirmed most of their team is made up of creamfags.

People are bending over backwards to defend Evan right now cuz their standards for Sonic writing are in the goddamn gutter, like anything that's a step above total dogshit like her turning Silver into a bullied joke gets a free pass as "damn good grasp on emotions" or whatever. Being better than the absolute bottom means she's suddenly worth whiteknighting, except when she's just cost-cutting hackery making Silver the universe's punching bag for self-hatred vibes. Hell, they ignore her other flops cuz muh cute art and vibes, but nah, it's all about excusing the OOC bullshit while seething at critics for not worshipping her canon ships or whatever. Standards so low they'd defend her over Ian just cuz she's not full retard yet, but give it time.

Cool!

>>534823885
The fact they wouldn't let Lanolin have her Frank Grimes-tier meltdown when she learned it was Sonic (and never let her learn it was an Eggman co-op) after building it up for so long is the point I truly lost faith in Evan's storytelling ability.

>>534823885
06s localization and voice acting didn't help but his story is responsible for treating him like an infant with nuke powers while his partner turned mother makes the heavy decisions for him

>>534824174
>they'd defend her over Ian just cuz she's not full retard yet
I defend her over Ian because she can take criticism and acknowledge mistakes unlike the countless excuses and blaming mandates Ian does. He has no capacity for taking accountability, I do not believe he'll even try to write better. Evan on the other hand, does try.

Silverfags who believes in Evan are going to be very dissapointed

>>534824093

>>I wanna fly high so I can reach the highest of all the heavens. Someone will be waiting for me, so I have gotta fly higher.

>>I'll always be there for you in the best and worst times. You can be my sweetest honey for all eternity.

>>Born on an island in the heavens, the blood of my ancestors flows inside me. My duty is to guard the Master Emerald.

If these three quotes were blended together into one idea, who would that sound like outside of Tails, Amy or Knuckles?

>>534824571
Why is that?

>>534823878
>being tortured by the way
That was Pontaff meddling with the localization, actually.

>>534824682
Rouge

>>534824759
How, exactly?

>>534823756
>The bulletproof Ultimate Lifeform defeated by a log
Bravo

>>534824693
Evan is poop penis ass writer who wrote poop penis ass stories with poop penis ass headcanon

>>534824838
>fly high
>be there for you
>Master Emerald
Gee I wonder

No matter how shit a Sonic game made by SoJ is, weebs will aways find a way to pin it on the West.

>>534824568
This

>>534824945
I mean... if you boil it down like that, I guess...

But Rouge doesn't have that sense of "duty", she likes to "Fly in the Freedom", since she's opposite to Knuckles.

>>534824739
Nearly all Sonic fans play in English. Why? Because they dont fucking sell in Japan. The Western version of the characters is what everyone knows them as. This franchise is fucking dead in Japan. Caring about their JP interpretations is meaningless when that version rarely ever gets discussed by the normal fans.

>>534825139
I mean you asked to combine 3 unrelated quotes, it was never gonna make perfect sense

^-^

>>534824568
I agree with this but this is a very low bar. She is still making the some mistakes over and over.

>>534823659
Welp i just proved myself correct cause I'm buying this hoodie thoughts on it?

Whisper=Garnet
Tangle=Jasper
Lanolin=Pearl
Silver=Steven

>>534825149
I'm just saying that when you're chewing out Sonic Team like in >>534823609, you shouldn't conflate other jackasses piling on the problems.

>>534824568
Evan is like Sonic Team to me. Doesn't have a good track record and I don't expect a masterpiece. I just want her to try a bit harder to make something good

>>534825213
It might if you focus on what they're actually saying.

Tails has strong dreams and aspirations, Amy is full of intense passion, Knuckles has a strong sense of duty. Is there anyone who embodies all three at once?

Sovl

>>534825458
>Jasper
*Amethyst
I haven't seen SU since Future ended.

>>534824568
There's unfortunately very little difference between "refusing to learn" like Ian and "being physically incapable of learning" like Evan.

It's time to admit Sonic music is mid.

>>534825678
No, the music hard carried this franchise even during the “good days”

>>534825678
Fuck you, Wrapped in Black was great.

>>534825498
Sonic Team made a masterpiece before.

Has anyone ever discussed, irl, the differences between the ENG and JP versions of Sonic Colors? No. The only thing people remember from is is "Baldy Nosehair" and that it used to be considered good, but now isn't. Not a single fucking soul outside here gives a single thought about the JP version of Sonic. Pretend that SEGA cares about that at all is funny when you can clearly look at Sonic Rumble and see that its just money. Japan simply does not give a shit about Sonic. Pretending they do is the funniest and most pathetic attempt at spinning the narrative Ive seen.

New michiyoshi just dropped. Today is a good day.

>>534825670
This last pic sold me I can definitely style this to myself with what i typically would wear and feel just a bit of cringe

>>534825931
You seem very agitated

>>534825617
She is good on art. She has not improved on writing.

I want to see a story written by both Evan and Barnes. I think they'd have a good balance. Barnes understands that this is a boys franchise and to aim for cool shit, he could probably wrangler her from going to far into uwu territory. Evan on the other hand I think is still level headed enough to keep him from going full dbztard

>>534825458
It's just...Silver is the only one of them who has actual experience and when through much more and won many wars, it's just wrong.

>>534826213
Barnes actually wrote a good story. Evan has not.

>>534826213
>keep him from going full dbztard
I want him to and I want abt on the art

>>534825678
What fucking universe are you from because music is the most consistently great thing about this franchise. The only games with bad music are Chronicles and Superstars.

>>534826213
Barnes literally made Sonic cry and made Tails a fucking joke.

>>534826213
Why not just get a more capable writer? They exist and probably are not hard to find.

>>534825617
>>534826207
There's a lot of difference actually. Physically being incapable of learning is basically sonic team 101 of years still not getting a clue about thing fans complained about for years like putting momentum based physics and shit in the 3D games until Kishimoto got on twitter. But despite not completely understanding, they are still trying to aim for a good or at least better end product which I can commend despite the faults. Refusing to learn like Ian does, is just spiteful childish behavior because he just wants things to be his way without thinking about the greater consequences or if the end result will even be good and makes excuses when its shit

>>534825451
Sick have you or anyone here really bought something from mamono world?

>>534826197
Yeah, after 15 fucking years of watching my favorite hedgehog produce absolute dogshit, with maybe a few decent games, makes me a bit fucking irritated, yeah.

>>534826463
They're not gonna work for this fuckass franchise, that's the problem.

>>534826759
Search for fanfiction authors that write stuff on brand.

AAR could do it.

Maybe Sparky could do it!

>>534826759
This. And why would they? Sonic to normies fills the same tired niche as the fucking Smurfs. No one takes this faggot rat at all seriously

>>534826296
That's because one of the only notes they get on Silver is that he's "young". Silver is supposed to be young and immature in the same way as Jet but the writers took that mean he's a dumb Steven Universe baby with no experience in anything.

>>534826213
I would like the games to canonized all IDW characters but they're all turned straight and have canon girlfriends/boyfriend. Imagine if they have that gay owl in the game paired with a female character named Mama Owl

>>534826902
>Search for fanfiction authors that write stuff on brand.
If it was on brand, it wouldn't be fanfiction. Where do you think they got the writers we have now, nigga?
>Maybe Sparky could do it!
You do not want Sparky writing for anything.

>>534826936
The movies are doing gang busters. So are the shows.

Look at all the collabs.

The franchise is in the best state it has been like ever.

>>534826973
Sonic 06 didn't help in that regard either

>>534827042
There are stories that are written on brand, they are just harder to find.

Sparky would be superior to the current writers.

>>534827042
In another thread, an anon said it might work if Sparky had a tard wrangler, but Im throwing that out the window because Sparky legit believes he can control lightning.

>>534827004
>Mama Owl
You could've tried

>>534827058
>The franchise is in the best state it has been like ever
But are the fans happy? Are (you) happy?

>>534827165
Nah straight up Sparky would be great.

>>534827058
And look at that. None of the most popular entries among them have Windnic. Funny how that works.

Archie Sonic Forever is dead
https://x.com/CyberpunkJordan/status/1927824755102732591

>>534826902
AAR left Sonic for Encanto. They would only work on Sonic until better opportunities opened up.

>>534827042
>You do not want Sparky writing for anything.
What familiarity do you even have with any of my writing?

But in terms of my own writing, I did write this Metal Sonic story here one time a few years ago or whenever it was. I thought it came out pretty okay.

>>534826461
>Barnes literally made Sonic cry
No that was the shared robot conscious crying through Sonic and even if it were Sonic, it wasn't done in the crying tumblr therapy speak way where Sonic's having a fit of depression or some lame shit like that. It was wistful and not dwelled upon.
>made Tails a fucking joke
Okay so you're purposely being disingenuous. He's more proactive and part of the action here than he's been portrayed as in any game for the past decade and a half. He went down, but not without a proper fight and he still comes in clutch at the end.

>>534827058
The best? I don't know about that. Things were pretty damn high during the classic era.

>>534827340
I'm more stressed because I feel like any sort of artistic vision is dying and what artistic vision there is seems to be done by people who have no respect for the legacy.

>>534827341
No he fucking wouldn't. You'd have a VN amount of words talking about how every character at all times has to fellate Sonic and how they're merely accessories to his character. And it wouldn't sell at all.

Show me the BEST selling Windnic story, and I'll show you how it gets mogged bt the movies, the furthest thing away from Windnic.

>>534825678
This. Any of these mid asf buttrock tracks would debut at the bottom of any music chart and be instantly forgotten if they weren't associated with a Sonic game

>>534826607
I like his humor and he's cool&cute but i don't really like wearing meme shirts bit I do have a couple of items couple of shirts couple years back and as of recently the mephiles sweater and the fun is infinite cap

>>534827574
Still be better anything else but the movies and the Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog

>>534827720
Incorrect until proven otherwise. Show me a single game that beats a 95 user score right fucking now.

>>534827448
>Archie Sonic furry Vtuber with a hateboner for Ken Penders.

Thar be many interesting weirdos in this space.

>>534827807
reread my post again

>>534827469
>Metal gets to just knock on Tails' door because he's a non-threatening Team Rocket tier villain like in IDW.
>Metal Sonic cries and goes into a fetal position like a little baby
See? This is what I'm talking about. Sparky just wants to humiliate everyone and everything to create an artificial sensation of Sonic being cool. You know it's artificial because he can't have Sonic being cool while his enemies are also cool. It's just Eggmoon arc shit.

>>534827720
>>534827884
Ah, those were exceptions you your statement, my mistake, I am heated rn.

Ben Bates was the best thing to happen to Archie Sonic. He refused to draw Sonic crying. On his Twitter once stated that he hated penciling Ian’s stories because Ian always wrote Sonic crying, and Bates would purposely go against the script and not draw Sonic looking sad. I wonder how he’d feel about IDW.

>>534827906
I wasn't trying to humiliate Metal.

>>534827346
Sonic and Amy had it coming dancing like that kek

>>534828087
Maybe the Eggmoon arc writers weren't trying to humiliate the entire planet, but they did.

How is Ken Penders doing? I haven't heard anything from him since LS Chronicles released.

>>534828205
Well regardless, I appreciate the criticism. I guess I could have done more to showcase Metal in a cooler light and being more of the threat he's meant to be. I was focusing too much on psycho-analyzing his paradoxical programming, at his expense, I suppose.

>>534827953
Yeah I love the movies unlike most of the people here.

>>534828232
I hope well. LS chronicles seem to have quite the surprising fanbase. I'm glad Penders found something. I look forward to seeing more from him, and wish he'd stop just reprinting shit. I want to see how fucking weird LS Chronicles actually are going to be. I am legitimately more exited to read that than IDW.

>>534827574
It would absolutely sell since it has Sonic on it.

Stories are not the reason a sonic game does well or not. The past games failed and flopped spectacularly because wider gaming spaces convinced themselves all of them are broken, buggy, unfinished unpolished messes like 06 with slippery controls and unfun mechanics. Whether its wind sonic or western sonic doesnt matter because the problem every single time at its core was sega sending out rushed games to die over and over again and sonic team failing to execute their gameplay ideas properly. All the complaints about the stories and sonic's shitty friends emerged from the fundemental issue that none of them played well and that people were convinced sonic was better without friends and "complex" narratives because the classic games were decent. If they did windshit now in this era, it wouldn't change how the populace receives the games because none of them are as invested in sonic stories as sonic fans are and only care to harp on whether the gameplay is good or not.

Anti-windfags are the same people who praised lilo and stitch movie because it made more money

>>534828443
Which one is your favorite? My lineup looks like this 3>1>2. I think the trailer version of "do I look like I need your power: qas far superior in timing that what they did in the theatrical release. 2 would also be much better without that wedding scene. But 3 is just 1hr and 49min of just pure kino.

>>534828634
The comics are more incompetently made than the games.

>>534828801
2>3>1

>>534828634
I disagree somewhat. Forces was functional enough but the wider fan base dislikes that game for its extremely lackluster story.

>>534828814
And it doesn't matter because no one of value reads that shit

>>534829014
The lore team does.

>>534828972
You can hold boost and beat Mystic Jungle without touching the left analog. What the fuck are you talking about? That game plays like shit. The classic physics are the worst they've ever been. The level design are literally JUST fucking hallways, worse than Generations for that. Are you insane?

>>534828972
>Forces was functional enough
Bare minimum. Majority of the complaints about Forces was about it's gameplay, not the story. The game was so short that normies were beating it under 2 hours on stream and refunding it after. It was panned for the terrible physics and controls. Trying to jump and position yourself on another platform as sonic or classic sonic in that game is like fighting with your controller. The level design is such a far cry away from generations that did this concept years ago and far better along with the controls of classic sonic and modern. the avatar was clunky and slow and at the time people hated the wisps being shoved into everything. The gameplay of forces has been broken down into so many essays on youtube, it is the very reason why Frontiers is the way it is and why is had all those sliders for controls. You newgens just don't know how bad things really were

>>534829216
As I said, no one of value.

>>534829525
>You newgens just don't know how bad things really were
Were?

>>534829525
I liked the gameplay of Forces. My problem was that it was too short. I wanted more levels and expansion in general. The mini-game potential with the Wisp-ons being wasted alone is a travesty.

Who the hell are these people? Who is this OC? And why are they drawing on our whiteboard? Is the whiteboard even related to us????

W*ndfags are the same people who praised the first Star Trek because it came first.

>>534829815
Mina Mongoose is from Archie Sonic.

>>534829801
>I liked the gameplay of Forces
Why?
https://youtu.be/Y5Cn9Ra1kwo?si=z5UdfMOAAn7ujooG

>>534829915
I'm talking about the actual OC obviously

>>534830053
I realized that after I made the post, I'm sorry.

>>534829724
Yes, were. Believe it or not, we had worse things to complain about back then that wasn't just whether or not Sonic should be allowed to piss and shit and if its ooc. At least now the games actually control well, they made effort to improve the physics, they are trying to improve the level design and not just make them hallway sims, they are trying to make the movesets of the character more engaging again and not just boost to win, they're actually letting more characters than sonic be playable again, etc. I feel like a lot of you guys forgot what the actual important part of the GAME franchise is and it definitely isnt some comic bullshit

>>534829987
Cause I like the boost formula games. Your problem is with the shortness of the levels and level design. If it's true that this game was thrown together in one year, I wouldn't be surprised.

Also, guns being brought back in the form of wisp-ons, still a good idea that needed more fleshing out.

>>534830285
>Cause I like the boost formula games.
Then nothing you say holds any merit. Also I wasn't that previous anon.

Blazefags

>>534829815
go back to twitter and ask

>>534830053
It says right there. "Embra".

>>534830549
I dont understand the appeal of a character that has has one good game, maybe two.

>>534830285
>>534830531
NTA but to add onto this, its one thing to like the boost formula, but I can't take you seriously if you manage to find equal enjoyment of forces boost gameplay to unleashed/generations

>>534830531
>Angry contrarian
We get it, you don't like anything.

Silverfags

Wind or not the only thing that matters is that Sonic inspired you to start running or jogging you are doing so right sthg?

>>534830626
I figured out already, it's one of HotShelter's discord friends.I knew the whiteboard had nothing to do with sthg, but things like this just confirm it.