Thread 535573914

Atlantis, Ys and Lost Land are totes real edition.

Dominions is a fantasy turn-based war game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.
The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 3400 units, 1100 spells and 400 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them. It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.
Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.

>Our pastebin (extremely outdated)
https://pastebin.com/wjbSA98Y

>Steamgroup
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

>Multiplayer guide
>Blitzserver (game hosting service)
https://blitzserver.net
(Dom 6)
https://beta.blitzserver.net/games
>Llamaserver:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1212948582

>Documentation
https://illwinter.com/dom6/docs.html

>Tools
>Mod inspector
https://larzm42.github.io/dom6inspector/
>Wiki
https://illwiki.com/
>Pretender calculator
https://zollqir.github.io/pretenders-dom6/
https://caleb-distributive.github.io/pretenders-dom6/ (website down?)
>Debug mod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3083231618
>Communion fatigue calculator (still dom5)
https://instacalc.com/53495
>Automatically prevent starts in all provinces with less than X connections (still dom5)
https://nixx.is-fantabulo.us/dom5ranmapnos/

>How do I change the fonts?
Replace guifont.ttf, guifont_fancy.ttf and guifont_texty.ttf in the game's 'data' folder (C:\Steam\steamapps\common\Dominions6\data)

>Fan art
https://thronebooru.booru.org

>Sloop’s Comfy Balance Mod
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zeDyK8Zb_p4lIJ0yp3a3ikMprRkmBCWvy31_4jBen3Q/edit?usp=sharing

Previous Turn of the Wheel:
>>534579080

>>535513607
based

>>535573914 (OP)
Ys is very real

>>535576136
Cute Merrow
Lyonnese when?

Thursday

Dust to dust

How many times is acceptable to switch out your tendie before committing?

I've tested mine in sp five times and the potential pitfalls of the build are making me sweaty.

>>535583018
Sweating hard and jerking off is the most fun you can have while playing Dominions

>>535583018
no build is perfect
except hellblessed giants
nothing beats hellblessed giants

>>535583018
If I can score around 20 provinces during year 1 and have the capability to cast big spells afterwards, it's a good tendie

>>535584276
but anon, if there's only 15 provinces per player, how can you possibly get 20?

>>535584276
but what about strong yet still economically viable giants?
it probably means they don't have a monster pretender to they likely lose to the hellblessed giants but still

>>535586704
>economically viable giants
lol
lmao

Hand of death

>>535586704
>economically viable giants
So hellbless giants

>>535584226
nids with mweapons, spirit sight and quickness should be able to handle any giant that isn't using sight vengeance or fire shield. it's even a part of their lore to war with jotuns

>>535590635
With good enough expansion, any giant is viable

>>535584226
>nothing beats hellblessed giants

...I want minor story events in go_rEAd_a_book...

>>535593952
>muh story

go read books, nerd

>>535593952
done

>>535597451
I owe you my allegiance.

>>535593952
Major story events game when?

>>535597451
Major story events please

>>535598181
I try to host one every now and then but no one joins

>>535598270
>>535598181
done

>>535598270
Are there any bad major story events

>>535599102
Thank you.

>>535599102
Oooh boy, now we are cooking with fire.

>>535600038
I think there are ONLY bad major story events.

>>535590635
future engianteers

>>535600038
Most of them

>>535599102
Now we just need a full nations game.

>>535601461
I just know of the plague one

>>535603885
FEAR THE NORTHMEN

>>535597451
Playercount: 22

>>535604712
Oh lol I remember when the first iteration of that came out back in Dom 4 and it would ruin games since it had invasion events in the hundreds

>>535606120
what about it

Do any of the upcoming three star umas have interesting stories

>>535608337
Helheim-sama???

>>535606296
It will still ruin the game if the bugged neverendinf werewolf attack event triggers.

>>535609084
Illwinter said they fixed it iirc

Shit no turns

As someone who likes Total War, is this game for me?

>>535613108
Not applicable

>>535613108
Total war autobattler, what's not to like. Personally I play both.

>>535613108
Well hell yeah brother, welcome to /domg/

>>535613108
It's more a warhammer tabletop than a total war autobattler but it is fun mainly because combat is mainly hyper lethal to most dudes

Dominions is like that electronic football game where you put the players down and watch them run the plays. YOu have a degree of input on what they do but you can never directly control them. the graphics are ass, the systems are obtuse and unclear, but it just is the best at what it does

>>535606296
>barbarians barbarians barbarians barbarians barbarians
>trees dryads vines vines vines dryads vines
>werewolves werewolves werewolves werewolves

>>535613108
it is for people who wish the battles in total war were less arcadey

and turn based

and automatic

>>535614472
>>535613940
>>535613736
>>535613708
>>535613346
>>535613326
Thanks

What's the bless and strategy for Vanarus. They got cool stuff but not sure what their gameplan is.

what's more important for EA Agartha, +2 Precision for 5 total Precision (+3 Far Shot) for my Stone Hurlers; +1 Cold Resistance to complete my set of elemental resistances; +1 Attack Skill (for a total of +2 and to make Blood Surge more viable?) for my Melee Ancients?

I guess the real question is: is 14 Precision Hurlers that much of an upgrade from 12 Precision Hurlers?

>>535616154
lmao who the fuck blesses for stone hurlers when you got 100 range mind rape machines

>>535616272
what a question. Because the Stone Hurlers can do 40+ damage per rock throw. While the Olm sits in the back and keeps the target paralyzed (granted I have seen the supposed "Hurler beats giant monster before it retaliates" argument fall short when you realize Olms can do the exact same thing, I saw an army of 100 Olms perma-stun a flanking Dragon and then Drain it to death

>>535616272
Chads

>>535616154
precision hardly matters unfortunately. Due to the way RNG is, unless a target is right next to you, a unit with 20prec still has a deviation of 1 on both x and y axis for a unit 10 tiles away.
It's why the olms are viewed so much better, 100prec attacks and spells absolutely reign over things that have to hit at range (say, casting Incinerate, a guaranteed 18AN damage, vs Flares 25AP if it hits (it wont)).

as well, the limb hit system really makes the hurlers feel lackluster. 'wow, he lobbed a 50 damage boulder and it actually hit an enemy, oh, but it was just an arm hit, only 5 damage'
which sucks, because the image of a hundred boulders raining down on the enemy is just fucking hilarious.

>>535616154
Precision is a scam

>>535622118
Boulders also only hitting one enemy is lackluster as fuck. Should hit the entire square at least.

>>535623037
SCBM tried that and it was a little bit overpowered

>>535622436
>boulderthought
kek

>>535623269
Make the giants more expensive or heavily limit ammunition. It's one thing to throw boulders in battle, one at a time, and a different thing to carry a bunch of them halfway across the world. How are they even holding them

>>535623478
Jotuns have hurlers on the walls in every fort don't they? Fort garrisons have infinite ammo I think.

>>535615827
You skinshifters do petty good with regen and the like but your gameplan is probably mostly around buffing the shit out of vanarusian berserkers and summnoning storm demons.

>>535625654
vanarus skinshitters aren't sacred

>>535623037
>>535623269
Would it be possible to make it a “size 6” attack. Where instead of it being AoE 1, it just doesn’t target bodyparts and does full damage to 1 target? Ideally that would only work for size 5 and bellow and use the limb system for size 6 and above, but that’s way more advanced that just making a ranged weapon equivalent of Eyeseeker, that prioritises body hits

That’s how I would fix Bolders, they only target the Body, no bodypart copout

>>535583018
What difficulty do you play in?
None of the AIs play like people would, no? I remember it used to play Sceleria with minimal to no skeletons in dom5, do you test it modded or...?

>>535630053
Oh right. I mixed up my rus and vanarus game as far as expansion. I remember I took a light bless with vanarusians but it must have been very light.
Then yeah. Full send blood eco for storm demons and research for buffing your berserkers.

>>535631764
>None of the AIs play like people would, no
In terms of ver-all strategy you end up having to optimize for mobility and sheer doomstack mulching efficiency at the hardest AI setting. That's not a terrible thing to optimize for. The turn to turn tactics vs AI is very un-human though since you end up with dumb shit like using PD and sieges to mind control the AI.

>>535615827
Vanarus to me is a nation of
>holy shit this would be so sick...... if it was one/two paths higher.....
They've got some god-tier crosspaths but mostly in very low levels, so unless you wanna play path gacha with your StR cap only and empower to get some boosters I would go for a rainbow/narrow rainbow tendie. I wouldn't really go for any specific blesses but you can use your incidental bless points for minor buffs to your oathbound since they're pretty good as a defensive lineholder.

>>535636576
They have a research bonus at least

WIP of Dishestur-chan

>>535640939
Would lose countless hours making bridals and forgetting about it/10

Ind I saw that fairy fight that was nuts

Hey DomG I've been learning MA Nida recently and I was hoping if anyone had advice on what I should be going for. It's been hard to climb Nature magic for Mother oak am I suppose to just climb with gems and a bit of con?
For research i've been going alt and enh and conj 3. Bless is pic related. All advice welcome on what research to focus on Thanks!

>>535644882
I feel like luck is too expensive of a bless to go for. I just go +1 order on imprisoned and get max non incarnate. Righteous wrath is a must imo, so is 5 undying. Get all the good non incarnate stuff like unbreakable, blood surge, maybe blur/heroism. Your priority is not Oak because it adds nothing to your roster.
Research alt4 for quickness and group barkskin. 3-4 mages (half bear half wolf) together with a group of 5 bodyguards each that stand still and cast spells should be able to fight a bigger group.
You must get to Evo7 and Con7 for Wind of Death and Ring of returning for the Crows. That's your final win con.

This might be a retarded question but should you just pick whatever pretender you think is cool on a nation you think is cool and try to make it work? I basically understand at this point the pros and cons of something like taking a litttle human vs a fountain or a rock and the various imprisonment options. I just heard this game was very unbalanced in that regard so I autistically tried to figure out what was best for my nation, but I think half the game is doing stuff others don't expect. Also some of the cooler options are just so damn expensive, like the trinities...

>>535647192
I think it's the opposite. You formulate a plan/strategy for a nation, then you choose a pretender that supports that plan or cover the weaknesses.

>>535647192
Have a plan for your pretender
Usually turbo blesses imply that your pretender is a strong enough caster to make up for some downsides
Scales are fine and dandy, but you don't really need all positives unless you're very very confident that you can expand with minimal blesses easily and without a high powered caster

>>535646621
Oh alright i'll start going for evo 7. What globals should I look to cast? Is it unrealistic to cast Fate of Morg or the other glam globals?
I've been going group barkskin and quickness. Is Conj 8 worth going for Dwarves? Or going into blood?

>>535647192
for single player, sure play whatever you want
for multiplayer you should have an idea of what you want your pretender to do for your nation, and pick a chassis that does that efficiently

>>535649835
Glamour is piss easy as gems are concerned, the main problem is how to maximize the most out of your shit tier mage paths

>>535651580
Right, so what's the best way to do that just spamming low tier buffs like group barkskin and sometimes giant strength warriors or steel slice.

>>535653237
Basically doing that but using parties of troops stealthily
Later you can use your crow mages for communion
But yeah if you want to get the most out of your other dudes you'll need to research evocation if you want to make them do direct damage
Frozen heart tho is very good as well as venemous death

>>535653237
At Cons5 you can forge thistle mace and make your Bear 1E3N. In battle you cast strength of Gaia and make him 4N to cast big N.

>>535655830
So what's the synergy with winds of death? Your Sacreds have extra live sand don't give a fuck? Or how do i protect my mages with winds of death.

>>535656442
oh i'm retarded I understand the ring of return with winds of death.

Lichcraft

>>535616154
mweaps could be fun for stone hurlers

>>535670735
Magic..... boulders?

Did /domg/ ever get an all-nations game going?

>>535678968
Yes, I even hosted one. It was when LA Phlegra was released, it was called "Gigantomachia"

>>535679339
I remember playing Pythium in that game and getting run over by Lemuria
I've done better with LA Pyth in dom6 but the late game micro is untenable

How do I into thugs as a new player?

>>535640939
>Dishestur-chan
who?

>>535680184
play single player as a giant nation or arco (for golems)
kit them out with different items and see what works
then try doing the same thing with elves (harder since they are very squishy against AI hordes)
the only thing you can't test against AI is counter thugging but if you understand the combat system and read item descriptions you should be able to figure out how to kill most enemy thugs with your own

>>535680367
Dis horsies

>>535678968
Yeah, we had a trio series of them for each age last year.
They were novel experiences, but I probably wouldn't join another one. 30 throne points to win is a titanic slog.

>>535680184
Look for good stats, magic, special abilities, etc. Ideally you want someone with good buffing paths that can slug it out as well. Golems are a good example, if you give them a decent weapon to fix their Attack and Defense and some armor, they can handle a lot on their own.

>>535680419
Everytime I try to understand thugging, it's stuff like 'this unit can beat 6 PD', 'this unit can beat 11 PD' and I don't understand how that ever works in an actual game. It seems so fragile that a random site-searching mage will be the end of it.
I have tried kitting out units in full sets of gear and have them be able to clear out smaller armies, but as far as I understand, that's a SC, not a thug

>>535681131
>It seems so fragile that a random site-searching mage will be the end of it.
it's indeed fragile, basically risk and reward, counter-raiding games, magic-phase movement, stealth, rituals like seeking arrow, assassination rituals, pd dumps, etc.
how expensive and how much gear and how many gems do you choose to put on your thugs? what damage will they do relative to the risk of losing them? where do you put them, and can they stealth away? etc.

this is one reason why wraith lords with an amulet of antimagic are popular in some mp games for thugging. they are immortal, so as long as they don't get soulslayed or enslaved or something, if they die, they just come back a few turns later and you only lost those few turns of availability, whatever afflictions they got, and the amulet of antimagic. and the amulet of antimagic decreases the risk of getting soulslayed or enslaved

other popular items are rings of returning for scs or expensive thugs, typically with battlefield spells like wind of death or with heavily layered defenses or summoning

>>535681131
thugs can also be put into armies, for instance for bolstering frontlines or for handling special enemies. for instance, armornegating weapons like eyecatcher, duskdagger or gate cleaver can be strong against stationary pretender with high protection. just be aware that the frontline of a battlefield with many mages on both sides is dangerous for a thug, and pretenders can have paths and research that makes them lethal in melee. hand of death for instance deals 40+5/level irresistable armornegating magic damage in melee, dealing 80 damage at d10, with 50% casting time. keeping army thugs on hold x5 and attack closest may be advisable, depending on the specifics

>>535681131
Thug or SC is only a matter of how much investment you put into that specific chassis for an expected RoI. Take my Hashmal with Vamp wp, add a frost brand and vine shield and it can theoretically take 100 pd or an entire army as long as there are no mages in the province. What would you call it then, thug or SC? Or say a cheaper Chassis like a Jann Emir/Jinn, fully kitted with anti SC gear, every slot filled, designed to kill SCs, pretenders and the like, but can die to a small army and some mage support. You only have to know the limits of your Chassis to thug efficiently for their role.

sustained, sincere faith and passion has yet to result in illwinter implementing their most important LA nation

waiting warmly...

>>535691462
i'd personally think that a proper sc can take on full armies that includes typical 20+ mages, including some cap-only mages, with typical scripting and gems and items, with high research, and yet the sc possibly wins. where specific counters or anti-thug scripting and items are needed to take the sc out. this has become less possible in dom6, for instance due to changes to what happens when turns run out in combat

>>535694128
like maybe limne empowered in fire casting acid storm. maybe with phoenix pyre and heavy reinvigoration gear

>start building fort
>notice commander I have building the fort gets diseased half way in
>i built this fucking fort on an undiscovered well of pestilence

fucking kill me, can we just remove all of these bullshit disease spreading sites from the game? at least inkpots are insta-discovered, but needing d3 to even spot this thing? what a joke.

>>535697097
welcome to dominions

>>535697097
Doesn't it spread Death scales? You can spot a couple nasty things just by checking whether the local scales are significantly off from neighboring provinces

>>535697097
Look on the bright side, it's going to be worse for whoever is going to siege that fort

>>535697097
just don't lab it and make cheap shitty lance catchers in that fort

Let's make a bet - how many stales are we getting during the first year?

>>535707587
I'm going to stale friday, saturday and sunday.

>>535697097
Just move them to a lab next door, jeez

What about a game where you can only use Thugs/SC to War and Expand? No Province Defense, no non-commander support (that isn’t combat summons/items). You duel for Forts, if the fort owner loses he must delete the fort and back off the province.
Not sure about Capitals, could go for “Prophet/Pretender duel, if owner loses he becomes the winner’s vassal and must help him in future wars”

This does sound more like a Hotseat/friendgroup game than a blitz though, since there’s a lot of rules in place

>>535712569
So 80% of nations are just unusable then?

>>535712715
You can just use your god/Conj a thug. You make research really quick and easy and try to go for “mage thugs” if you don’t have a chassis with good base stats to equip your magic items

>>535712569
>No Province Defense, no non-commander support (that isn’t combat summons/items).
desu it sounds like after expansion it would just be
>make counterthug protecting against enemy nation's strengths and targeting their weaknesses
>attack enemy
>die to specifically tailored countercounterthug
>make a specifically tailored countercountercounterthug and kill the countercounterthug
>die to specifically tailored countercountercountercounterthug
etc.

>>535718643
Some classic Spy VS Spy action ain’t it?

go_rEAd_a_book has started!
good luck and have fun, may the best pretender become pankoman.

Machaka and Vanheim have cheated huh?

>>535719420
>Elf/Nigger 'Don't be a faggot' Challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

>>535719369
>>535719420
>>535720415
restarted without machaka and vanheim

>>535720608
My cap has 2 connections and one is a throne

>>535721242
tough luck

>>535721281
Well in that case...

>>535719420
>>535720608
What did I do? I haven't even submitted my first turn.

>>535721242
My cap has 3 connections and one is a throne :)

>>535722604
idk cheat detection flagged you as a cheater. maybe you accidentally used a modded pretender?

>>535722604
Probably made a pretender+Scales+Bless combo that was too strong compared to what the AI thought possible
Although its vanilla… so I don’t know how that would be possible

>>535722604
Are you on a pirate copy?

>>535722604
You have a mod active when you made your tendie?

>>535722831
>Vanilla.
Oh dang. I had SCBM on when I cooked my tendie. So the anticheat probably saw the design wasn't possible for that cost.

bump

>>535726103
Fair

Man you fucking fag do you want to fucking fight again? I'll kick your ass once more

Black Servant

Can you resummon the elemental royalty and Pedosion when they die like you can with the assorted demon lords?

>>535746995
Yeah although they retain afflictions iirc

>>535746995
Yes unless soul slain I believe

>>535747627
>>535747719
Thank you

>>535719420
>>535720608
I arrived home to read this, I think SCBM caused my pretender to be invalid. I'm sorry.
So, I'm basically out... or can you restart?
t. Vanheim
To make things more painful for me dropping a candle by 1 point fixes the issue.

I think there is no harm in restarting. After all, it's only the first turn.

Is it better to empower a mundane commander in blood, or a mage for some crosspaths?

>>535753585
Depends on the crosspaths, but I'd almost always go for the mage. N and E mages in particular since both of those have crosspath boosters with blood.
Always bodyguard them when bloodhunting unless they're like, a giant, though.

I'm up for restarting even though my capcircle is not kuso. Machaka and Vanheim dindu nuffin

Vanillacels BTFO

I'm cool with a restart as well.

>haven't gotten home to look at my cap ring yet
>will feel no dismay if my restarted one is worse because I never saw the current one
For this reason, I approve a restart

Up for a restart, but only this once

>get a very good cap circle
>everyone wants a restart
it's over.....

>>535758620
Suffering forges character and so do 3 provinces cap circles

I will ai in protest if vanheim and machaka aren't given a seat at the table

(it has nothing to do with my miserable cap circle I promise)

>>535753585
Mage

>>535753585
>>535754202
I'd also prioritize astral mages because being able to pop a slave and wipe the fatigue from a communion is huge.

>>535758620
Just have the multiple province start then

>Play random map
>Complain about caprings
YOU GET WHAT YOU F*CKING DESERVE

Here's to you, Deadliest Derby anon

Introduces the nation Zemaitia.
Mechanically Zemaitia is finished (i hope), but there are some sprites and descriptions that are still missing as are Rus summons and other national spells.

They have some forest only (without fort) recruits, some forest recruits (with or without fort) that might be a bit confusing.

General
New Nation: Zemaitia
Arcane Decree can now completely block Astral Disruption
Bringer of Fortune will no longer bring events while under siege
Recruitable unit could look like it had cast a global enchantment, fixed
Magic items (e.g. lifelong protection) could sometimes incorrectly affect mount too
Message for most important unit healed
Less chance of accidentally losing a weapon if swapping where there is no lab
Print morale bonus from death magic in stat details
Communion masters with conservatinve gem use didn't try to cast higher level spells
Network lobby games with loaded maps didn't take cave layout setting into account
Sleep resistance now partially protects against dreamlands
Shortcut 'x' to repeat last bless effect
Shortcut backspace to remove it again
Vafur Flames could affect flying units ouside fort
Print missile shield hits in the battle log
Sea of Ice no longer hinders usage of nexus gate
MA Atlantis reef warrior couldn't be recruited in coastal forts
Fixed bug where illusions could dissolve right at start of battle
Income can no longer be traced through impassable borders
Black Goats with demon riders no longer have morale penalty
Spell AI fix regarding chain lightning
Advance & cast in peoples arena caused a bit weird behaviour
Commander reclaim mount order could result in fall damage
Life after deathed units could escape dying after battle
Truesight/darkvision didn't negate twilight -2 prec
Can now tranfer gems from lab to commanders via shortcuts in many screens
Fix for cavalry getting smaller and smaller in PD box
Fix for expiring NAPs in disciple games
Event fixes
Stat fixes

>>535776785
>Sleep resistance now partially protects against dreamlands
my cries have been heard aboard the cocaine cruise
>>535777038
>barded meese
LA is becoming the era of baller sacred cav

>>535777038
another pallete swap elf nation, nice

>>535777681
They have crossbows tho

>>535777038
>mishmash of chuds and ulmies with nature/glamor and sacred heavy cav
>atrocious looking flag colors
miss me with this shit, shillfraud

>>535777038
holy lel
It's even funnier
all their non cap mages have to be recruited in a non forted forest

>>535777038
Cool mod nation, so when are merrows coming to LA

>>535782030
>:(

>>535777038
no astral, no blood, unless national spells or summons have something for communions, a lack of communions

glamour/nature implies conjurations and fay, cold scale implies unseelie variants with ice protection and cold power

sacred knights presumably cap-only. maybe high-protection glamoured cavalry?

a lot of units costing lots of resources, production scales probably a good idea for builds. except, is that a smith mage? resource bonus and/or forging bonus? another human nation with good smiths? forge bonus 1/2? go for summoned commanders and forge equipment for them? or equip sacred knight commanders?
did illwinter see a lack of glamour items being forged, and wanted more of them? and a lack of unseelie princes being summoned? cool i guess, wouldn't mind seeing more of them

magic scale limit +1, and smiths possibly having glamour, might be possible to play as dreamstone spammers

weak priests, but if glamour-fire crosspath, the prophet-rings might alleviate it

can sacred knight commanders expand without a bless, or will they be weak or have some vulnerability like mount having no helmet? can the sacred cavalry expand without a bless?

chudes with high mr, ulmites with low mr? how were the ulmites affected by the dreamwild? if low mr, might make ulmites less desirable in late game, except crossbows are useful. awkward to handle, especially with no astral for antimagic. astral/death or astral/earth on the pretender might be good

how many of the commanders are sacred? forest lab recruitment or undying cavalry/mage bless?

are the smiths cap-only?

stealthy units?

would need a plan against lemuria, weak priests and possibly no magic weapons against spirit sight spectal units might not be a good matchup

>>535777681
Chudes aren't elves though

retard discord nigger master power game GG! do not join discordslop

>>535777681
devs are giving you northern crusade lithuanian paganism elk knights and you are complaining about unoriginal design

>>535782030
Next year!

>>535777681
>>535791270
At least its not another christian fanfic nation

>>535794325
Or a norse pagan fanfic nation

>>535791270
lore wise it's a fine nation, I like the mix of teutonic order and baltic paganism but mechanically they will probably be weak and boring to play just like Vanarus

probably the worst capcircle I have ever seen

is rEAd not restarting for poor machaka and vanheim?

>>535777038
I hope they get access to faster Fay summons, like Pyrene has access to Succubi at Blood 1, otherwise I still think my idea of a South Slavic nation of Glamoured Water Zmei noble houses from different Precious Forest lording and feuding over Human subjects and Bogatyrs makes more sense as a second Slavic nation.
These “Sylvan Knights” better be whimsical. Rus and Bognarus were pretty good at capturing that feel of mundane people living in mystical lands, so this one better be “Mundane people attempting to settle near the Dreamwild border” i want this to be the Ryleth of human Glamour nations

>>535797190
Yeah let's restart for them, we did not get a game this big in a long time

GG Ermor
Special shoutout to Tien'Chi, he truly was my greatest ally

>>535797794
Maybe we can get larger caves or something. Recuperating Pretenders might no longer be in people’s budget, though

>>535800595
You either take recuperation/nature/enough prot or you don't monster-expand, that's what panko intended.

>>535801083
You telling me in 4000+ years a god-like monster couldn’t befriend 1 (uno) nature wizard/beastman to give him a magic item/enchantment/teach him the secrets of herbal remedies to regrow his missing arm?

>>535801206
Pankoman's fault desu

>>535777038
Chudbros we win again

>>535801206
Becoming pantokrator is not about making friends.

>>535777681
They're not elves, they're estonians

>>535777038
>green ulm
see i told you its teutons and not polish hussars or whatever the fuck

>>535807416
They're Germans with a few balt hippies

I always forget mounts means no shoes slot because you aren’t touching the ground and I always get mad

>>535794626
what if the smith-looking mage is a cap-only, forged bonus 2 mage?

>>535810937
>forged
>forge

>>535810937
Unlikely, it's probably a G1, 100% NEAF, 10% GNEA mage with forgebonus 1 you can recruit from any fort as a research mage

>>535810937
I think they are just priest-smith from ulm. So weaker 1F1E random F A E, with 1 forge bonus. You can never have bonus 2 on late age. All the glamour and nature stuff is likely the big antler mage.

>>535809656
yeah thats what teutons were

>>535810937
Ulmkek copium

It's unfortunate that 2 people didn't read the fine print. Why don't we just restart and let them join?

>>535777038
>late age non-blood non-astral nation
>looks like a weird mix of MA Ulm, EA Rus, and an elf nation
VERY kino, I wonder if it'll come with any changes to the Ulm or Rus line of nations

>>535812129
>You can never have bonus 2 on late age.
because the lower gem income relative to other ages would make efficient forging op?

>>535777038
I'm very concerned that they have 0 astral, considering you rely on Astral Rus summons to be your high level priest. I'm probably gonna pick fateweaving on heavy cav anyway but it's a chore and dangerous to site search with your pretender.

>>535812583
Maybe they'll make bogarus units actually look like they came from this game and not a better one.

>>535812905
if the sacred moose knights have glamour twist fate might be a good bless for them

>>535812129
not sure, the priest smith and black priest of ma ulm at least were more or less the only commanders able to cast iron darts and iron blizzard spells. cap-only might mean a bit more powerful or useful than otherwise, unless forge bonus 1 is good enough by itself on a nation with alright mages
what effect would the dreamwild have had on the smiths?

>>535811740
>you can recruit from any fort as a research mage
but, if they are to the right of the sacred knight commander in the recruitment screenshot, and the sacred knights are cap-only, as implied by the mod inspector when clicking black templars and then the site, then my guess would be that they might well be cap-only

I just, want merrows, to, be in LA, is that, too much to, ask? Insiders, what is, the, e,t,a?

>>535812905
>I'm very concerned that they have 0 astral, considering you rely on Astral Rus summons to be your high level priest.
what if they turn out to have glamour-fire crosspath for prophet-rings? then again, they might not have that crosspath

>>535813667
The sacred knights being cap only doesn't mean their commanders are. A lot of nations have cap only sacreds, but a similar looking commander as a fort recruitable.
I also highly doubt the nation has a whopping 4 non-cap commanders.

go_rEAd_a_book is officially RESET! (colloquially known as "the big game™")

Get in here retards

>>535722604
>>535751192
yeah im restarting. you have 24 hours from now to resubmit.
last call for anyone else who would like to join.
https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/663#status
https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/663#status
https://beta.blitzserver.net/game/663#status

>>535813768
It's near impossible to climb with fire assuming it's F1 or F2. Ring needs F4.

>>535814489
It's F2G4 thoughchance

>>535814620
My bad but the point still stands. If you don't start with F4 or F1D1 you are not climbing anywhere in Fire. Not to mention it's unlikely the big glamour mages will have any F on them since it's a weaker path

>>535814061
>The sacred knights being cap only doesn't mean their commanders are. A lot of nations have cap only sacreds, but a similar looking commander as a fort recruitable.
true, but for sacred cavalry, that mostly only goes for elf nations, sauromatia and la pyrene

the hochmeister is also present in the fort vedun site in the dom6 mod inspector
https://larzm42.github.io/dom6inspector/?page=site&nation=0&showids=1&showkeys=1&spellnat=1&itemq=Proph&siteq=Fort%20vendun
as an aside, they will probably rename it from vendun to vedun

>I also highly doubt the nation has a whopping 4 non-cap commanders.
what if the last 3 are in forests?

FD CROSSPATH CONFIRMED we are so back firebros

>>535815095
empowering to 2 only cost 30 gems, which could be worth it for the prophet-rings in the late game. and staff of elemental mastery is also an option. f4, f1d1, s2 (national as you mentioned), a4e4/f4w4, assuming crosspath with high glamour, a bit more options

>>535815570
the new nation has no death according to nation overview

>>535809656
its the opposite, they are balts with a few teutons that have gone native

>>535815737
I wouldn't trust those too much

>>535815459
>elf nations
This basically is one, just replace the elves with chudes

>>535815747
Well assuming anon's leak is true, chuds are cap only and the natives are forest only, meaning most of your troops are gonna be ulmites

>>535813681
the best, most sincere and optimistic auguries place it in the summer of 2026

Miles of hell to merrow LA, work where you're needed

>>535814080
>>535814149
Anon was a goodmin today

>>535817647
while they have adopted ulmish arms from interaction with the ulmish crusaders that repeatedly wrecked them, most of the inhabitants of the region are the humans that have been there since EA rus, joined by chud overlords and the remnants of the ulmish crusade that have been warped by the dreamwild

What are the new nation's paths like

>>535818989
Low level glamour, earth, and nature with FAEGN randoms

>>535818989
no astral or blood for LA is the standout, can get to G3, N3, E2, F1(?) A1(?)

>>535819460
Damn, that's fucking awful

>>535817773
And what's the most insincere, pessimistic dark knowledge?

>>535820753
there is no such thing as crannog ys, nobody cares about merrow, merrow are ugly, being destroyed is the whole conceit of ys and a continuation defeats the purpose, celtic nations not being in LA is intentional

>>535820367
makes me wonder whether they really will have forge bonus 2 to compensate

the ulmish forge dream lives

>>535822893
They do

Hey if you fucking faggots are going to join random discord games, maybe take your fucking turns at least?

Literal niggers in this fucking cesspit

>>535816091
true, they have often been misleading

So Thursday release?

What do we have left? Oman?

Truly we need less cap sacred heavy cav

>>535830431
The future is arabs and merrow

>>535826029
lmfao, good

>>535830431
Sheba

>>535832474
Excellent.

Are giant nations OP?

A nation with at least recruitable giants has won every dom 6 game I've played so far.

>>535834113
Regen fortitude giants
>Can tank any battlefield wipe
>Can stat check any low damage chaff
>Takes buffs very well
>Amazing SC's especially in sloops with forging being cheap
Yea

>>535834113
i think fomoria is just generally good. they have glamour, stealth, cap-only units with magic weapons that are decent at expanding, they have a really easy time going underwater, they have size 9 giants, they have recruitable sc chassis, they have nemedian sorceresses, they have high hp air mages, and a decent research mage, they have national spells like dance of the morrigans, and access to 6 paths, and morrigans are sacred

muspelheim is generally strong, as long as you can keep your muspel giants from having significant attrition and you can recruit a lot of them with a fair bless. muspel giants are expensive but have both good protection and magic weapons. and their protection does not decrease in cold lands, and they have snow movement. they have recruitable sc chassis, excellent path diversity with 7 paths only missing earth and water, and good combat mages. the magic weapons are more significant than some may anticipate. a hard counter to niefel giants are something as basic as dispossessed spirits, illusions, phantasms, air elementals, and most cheap, ethereal units. one attack per square with a weapon that is not magical, is painful. muspel giants are way more effective at dealing with these threats, more easily allowing for all kinds of other blesses including imprisoned ones

>>535834113
>are giant nactions OP
Yes they need to be avoided early game and coalitioned mid game

>>535834113
That's just how domgee works. We are unlikely to isolate threats and coalition properly because communication takes 2 turns. And we trust no one here. But hey that makes it fun.

>>535836682
it does still depend on the nation and giants in question. regen fortitude niefel giants will be cockblocked by dispossessed spirits, muspel giants will kill them at 4x rate. regen fortitude niefel giants might easily die to illusions and phantasms, muspel giants can do well as long as the ratio of units is not too much against them. to make matters worse, muspel giants have 14 attack, niefel giants 12, significant when only 1 attack per square

>>535834113
Fomoria and Muspelheim in particular are S-tier. I wouldn't call every giant nation OP, but every sacred giant nation is at least above average in powerlevel.

>>535839642
>Fomoria and Muspelheim in particular are S-tier.
I've always said that about Fomoria but domg veterans always say "no they are too cap dependent, no their sacred giants are bad"

>>535843175
If you fuck their bless up they are dogshit but with a good bless they are insane

>>535834113
>Giants are op again
Dom 3 is vindicated...

>>535844837
tartarian bros we are so back

I wish i could set the AI to use my custom tendies in SP
I also wish there was a quick save

>>535818051
so most of the army is humans... with ulm gear?

>>535848501
Yeah but half plate

>>535847723
>I wish i could set the AI to use my custom tendies in SP
nobody tell him

>>535843175
>no they are too cap dependent
that argument is not without merit. some nations have a much easier time getting back from a lot of attrition or losses of units than others. cap-only giants, especially those that cost 130+g and two holy points, tend to be difficult to mass

i think there was one game where the muspelheim player took 8 dom score. i thought that was a bit much, but as i recall, it turned out to have been a really smart decision by him, since 4 giants instead of 3 giants per turn makes a large difference both early and late game, at least if one has success with avoiding attrition on the giants

conversely, fighting effectively against nations with units that are relatively few in number and also not easily replaceable, can involve focusing on causing attrition. and spells like curse can hurt more than otherwise on such units

>>535851043
sight vengeance might be great against giant nations and nations like ubar, since even if the giants win a battle decisively, it may turn out to be a phyrric victory if most of the sacred giants are blind. the giants can still be used as blockers, but will be so much worse in combat. unless the giants have recuperation, or the player has gift of health, or another source of healing

>>535847723
>Can't play as multiple nactions
In that case..

>>535843175
Fomoria has always been considered top tier because they get giants and elves and decent regular infantry and god-tier A/D crosspath and Dance of the Morrigans
Muspelheim was new and it took a little while for people to understand their pros and cons vs Niefelheim

>>535851724
>phyrric
Pyrrhic

>>535854210
He meant Phallic

>>535854939
he meant reddit

>>535855363
What the fuck is a reddit victory

>>535855569
"winning" by making a coalition or non-aggression deal

>>535856640
Sounds more like a tumblr victory

I'm not surprised, Man you fucking asshole after crying after I slapped you once
You got one turn to get out of my territory and I'll even sweeten the deal with a fucking blood stone if you get out now

>>535859637
dont do it kill him

>>535859637
"Slapped?" I barely lost three turns worth of chaff. How about this deal: you give me the bloodstone plus 3000 gold and I'll let you keep your cap.

>>535860034
yes

YEEEEEESSSS

>>535860113
You lost your prophet, your mages, and your sacreds. Get ready to feel the pain you perfidious Anglos!

Does this new nation have a gimmick?

>>535867427
It's trash

Has LA Man ever won a game?

MAde_in_sweden is over! All glory to the tower of Avalon!
Will do a writeup tomorrow.
Also this was my 2nd MP game, so apparently everything is possible when playing /domg/ veterans

Is Illusory Attack big enough to bait gems?

>>535867931
How so

>>535868397
Bad paths, bad sprites, bad forts, has vanarus units and summons that weren't enough to make vanarus viable in MA and now it's MA and they're wearing the same gear.

>>535852958
A/D isn't quite as godly as it once was now that Wailing Winds is glamor, but Wind of Death is still pretty great and Dance of the Morrigans is probably the best national spell in the game.

capsfag replyfags alikes are soo yikes

>>535870952
Did you get lost, little guy?

>>535869292
>in MA and now it's MA

>>535573914 (OP)
Congrats on Musfelhiem for stealing the win from Helhiem.

never reply to me again, psx fantaslopper

>>535867427
might have sacred cavalry with both glamour and high protection. and maybe an la nation with forge bonus 2, especially useful in an age with lower frequency of magic sites

Is Glamour better in LA than it is in EA?

>>535872165
By virtue of being ridiculously common in a gem starved era, a bit
If you have glamour mage access you get the best RP item in the game with dreamstone

If you cast Murdering Winter on a fort that's being sieged, it'll just freeze the enemies and not your dudes inside, right?

>>535873997
yes

>>535873997
Those spells only target enemies so yeah

>>535874245
kek

?????

>>535876769
Waiting patiently for the dorf nation, the south american giant nation, the houdo nation, and maybe a merrow nation

>>535878725
sexy amazon giantess nation when

>>535878725
Tell me about the so-called houdo

>>535878854
patagonian giants not amazons

>>535879048
doowut?

>>535879592
YOU DO

>>535875793
>>535874245
thanks guys

What nations should I be looking to play if I want mages to have more kills at the end of the battle than troops?

>>535878725
CoE dwarves would be neat

>>535878854
Phaeacia
sniffleheem has cute not-totally-hagged gygjas now, too

>>535880627
>muspelheim
>only nation with hot giantesses
Okay I get it

>>535879445
That style goes hard

>>535867940
congrats bro

>>535867940
Of course, you know what we must do.
All hail Led Zepplin!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_3yDImIQYU&list=RD7_3yDImIQYU&start_radio=1

I have seen at least three "I just started playing in /domg/ games and won as Man" posts in the last year, that and the Musphelheim wins has me thinking

>>535880627
Phaecia looks so cool but I don't understand sailing mechanics at all

My head is killing me and i haven't shit in 3 days. I ate like 5 pounds worth of food and so far nothing has come out. I don't feel constipated.. Am I schizophrenic? Has somebody been pooping in my sleep?

>>535888558
we are the all singing all dancing crap of the world.

I keep winning the battle but losing the war. I go up against fat stacks and win, but I never even get close to the thrones. Also i keep getting outmaneuvered.

>>535880465
LA C'tis, MA/LA Arcoscephale, MA Agartha, EA Ermor
Yomi also sticks out but it's less that your mages will magic everything to death and more that your mages will buff up and turn into blenders.

>>535890067
Not that they're bad at magic-ing things to death, mind you, Dai-Oni are just out of the box murdermachines even without gear.

>>535860113
Nigga who are you talking to?
thats not me.

I only ever agreed to a ceasefire.

>>535891162
You're going to have to do better than than a booster

>>535892613
I will vacate your fort in exchange for your northern fort and its adjacent southern territory.

>>535897651
If you want I'll sign a non aggression pact once i take those territories.

>>535896457
>You Spoony Bard!
>Emperor, NO!
>M-m-METEO!
>You foolish old man..

>>535900873
Sometimes you just gotta Tellah bitch off

Man stop fucking setting your turn unfinished

Every fucking time Man
I tell you to fucking stop, you do it anyways, and you get your shit slapped

I think I put a few too many sites on the thrones in MAd world lmao

My terms are now very simple
Fuck off and I'll ignore this transgression

>>535904946
Post the whole thing

>>535905125
I don't think it was that insane desu
I just exploited a really obvious weakness of Magisters (magic duels) and slammed into his dudes with wolves acting as a screen for my templars and a few vamps acting as thugs

>>535905393
magic dueling Man is unsportsmanlike honestly

>>535905493
I literally want to chill and kidnap girls in my own territory and Man keeps trying to kick my door in for whatever reason

>>535905902
Clearly Man is upset with you for kidnapping girls that he could be kidnapping instead.

>>535904946
I considered the possibility I should have scripted for something more serious, but again you left yourself open and I was hoping for an easy victory.

I thought I could crush you with my numbers.

machaka and vanheim made it back! <3

>>535908302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RivdDZowzY

>>535910138
I think I lost more to friendly fire than i did to Ulm.

>>535910138
Where the fuck did he get all those wolvesg

>>535911825
His knights must have looked like porcupines with all those bolts sticking out of them.

>>535913276
>can't sit down cause ass was pelted with arrows
>Take off boots, there are arrows in your boots
>Rummage around your loins, find an arrow
>Knight rides up next to with an arrow through his head, asks if we won
>"What?!" you say as you pluck an arrow out of your ear.

>>535913276
>>535913484
JustSwadianThings.jpg

go_rEAd starting soon?

>>535888558
off topic

>>535916280
The first rule of Poop Club is we don't talk about Poop Club.

>>535888558
-5 province defence

>>535916898
kek!

I can't for when Snoop Dog starts selling fiber supplements. When yall need to shizzle for rizzle

>>535904946
why aren't you finishing off man?

>>535903252
51 dead black templars isn't great, they are on the more difficult end to replenish, though you definitely came out ahead, and you have alternative units to use as research and magic economy develops

>>535914609
go rEAd the description

>>535911825
wolfherds, probably

>>535917994
I don't know what to tell you.
23 protection is a hell of a drug.

>>535918059
Eh, don't know about that guy, but I'll catch the next one.

>>535774613
cute

>>535867427
its ulm again

>>535928232
how dare you!! its ulm -and- chudarus -and- moose knights, its far more sophisticated

Gnight /domg/

>>535777038
This is not lore accurate, Teutonic knights lost and Žemaitija and Lietuva won.

>>535928232
their path access seems wider than ulm. ulm only has fire and earth, and rare air and astral

>>535931674
At least we can burn Moscow Rus again.

>>535933165
napoleon conquered much of europe, especially by pillaging the locals for food and thus having easier logistics and greater army speed than the other contemporary european armies, who were more benign towards the locals in regards to not pillaging the locals for food, afaik. that kind of backfired when he invaded russia, due to russia's strategy of evacuating civilians and food and thus letting the grande armee starve, freeze and get sick, though terribly many russian civilians and soldiers still died

>>535933632
russia also had cossacks that raided napoleons supply lines as far as i recall

In a few days i'm gonna be joining a police academy. But that means either i have little free time to play my turns, or i won't have access to wifi because dorm is mandatory. So i'm looking for a replacement for 3 games (potentially 4 for the rEAd game), that's TC in VanilLA, Machaka in MAx pain, Agartha in crack, and potentially Mictlan in rEAd. If you are interested drop an email and i'll send you the pass code and general strategy, as well as what i have accomplished. Of course this is only a precaution in case i can still play, but i don't want to lose so much progress.

>>535933163
compared to MA ulm its almost the same except their armor is worse, they have no access to iron darts, they have better MR, they have foreign recruit stealth troops, less reliable access to earth, no guardians, recruitable sacred cav and sacred summons, and their main paths are glamour and nature

(also they are green)

>>535886203
About the only thing better than a pseudo-SC sacred giant spam is heavy triple attack cavalry spam, because if its 2-to-a-square that’s 6 attacks and god help you if their Pretender went Quickness

>>535938304
greater path access is significant. a major challenge for ma ulm and ea mekone is path access

ma ulm has more or less 2 paths, probably the lowest in the game, the remaining two are too unreliable to get, much less mass

ea mekone has 4 paths iirc, but they cannot get a small human pretender, so getting wider path access is more expensive, and site searching (and finding indie mages for greater path diversity) suffers from it. and they have no poison resistance, no nature mages, more or less no sacred units, and no death mages either

>>535938925
Mekone is dependent on having Unaging to stop the bleeding of the mages. So N access on tendie is mandatory imo. F and E alone should be enough to fight well into late game in dom6. If you want magic diversity demilich is always an option.

>>535940513
demilich cannot easily site-search, at least not by walking around, only by remote site searching or teleporting

having only nature on the pretender, on a primarily living nation without death paths, is a bit on the vulnerable side, but i agree that it is likely a very good idea. both in terms of poison, disease, supplies, etc. regeneration buffs and items would also have been great for mekone. if one wants indie nature mages, ensuring the pretender is awake or dormant and can walk around for site searching, might be helpful. but an awake or dormant titan is on the more expensive side and hurts scales

>>535940513
handling age is a fair point as well

go_rEAd_a_book has started! (this time for real)

>>535947858
Shitty cap circle with a throne in it this time

Fuck you Machaka
And fuck you Vanheim!

>>535938247
this nigga joinin ICE LMFAO
get fucked pig

AI in all your games

>>535938247
hey I found one for you >>535950467

My cap circle is several magnitudes worse but I rolled cooler epithets so I will not be going AI

>>535950675
found what?
a REAL NIGGA?
yeah you did

US citizen too
suck it piggy

>>535951820
That's funny Jose, unfortunately refrigerated organs don't count when you're sacrificing them to Tlalaaelcalcecuialcatl, they have to be fresh. I'm afraid lightning will not be striking ICE agents when they go to take you back to your people (horrible, I know)

Man if you keep setting yourself unfinished I am going to start autohosting

>>535941657
Can demilich even teleport

>>535952174
Sorry, it's been a busy week. I'll have more time by Friday.

>>535957168
Holy fuggg

>>535957073
Can Teleport but cant Cloud Trapeze
Probably cant faerie trod either but not certain

>>535958118
Lame

>>535886324
You can teleport between coast provinces with <=2 sea provinces between them. Movement points/costs don't matter
Phaecia's special sailing lets you teleport between any 2 coasts no matter the distance as long as you have your dominion on both ends

>>535957168
What the fuck happened there?

Writeup ahead, this was my 2nd MP game and I learned a lot and had tons of fun. Thank you /domg/ and blitzmin <3

I went imprisoned Enchantress and had balanced bless/scales
Bless: shock/fire/cold res; reinvig, undying x5 + enchanted blood, blood surge, Heroism x3
Scales: Dom6 Heat2 Prod2 Growth2 Drain2.

My idea was to fuck around early with my Knights, and use the scales to set up a lategame. Drain was really cool because Monks are immune and I monkmaxxed all game (see research tab in subsequent posts :^)
Retrospectively I was probably way stronger during the early and midgame than I thought and could have been more aggro, still it was super fun to turtle research with 3 globals!

I spawned on a Turkey looking peninsula and had river borders to C'tis in the northeast and a massive river as border with Shinuyama and T'ien Chi to the southwest. This river had only one chokepoint province and taking this province won me the game. My first mistake as early as Turn 2 was buying Mercs to take UW provinces in my capcircle, because I thought I needed them for ressources. After I saw that the UW province was in R'lyeh's capcircle I messaged him that I needed it for knight production and outed me as a massive noob, because as you probably all are aware, Land forts cannot draw from UW provinces and vice versa.
At first R'lyeh wanted to send me gold for the province, but he probably soon thought "why pay this noob when he makes mistakes like this" and told me to fuck off.

I realized End of Year 0 that without good water access and with 2 UW nations (R'lyeh north and Ys East) and C'tis as neighbours, I needed that chokepoint-province to break into the mainland to the West either by war with T'ien Ch'i or due to a cave entrance in that chokepoint-province.
I took the chokepoint and most of my peninsula (with 2 thrones) by Summer of Year 1, I also got a treelord staff during year 1 which helped my cast Mother oak without boosting or climbing.
T'ien and me had a Mexican fort standoff at the chokepoint, during which I gobbled up the cavelayer with 11 provinces and a throne, which gave me access to 3 thrones (5 to win).
Purposely, I did not claim it to not seem like the big threat since I already had the only global up. I don't know why T'ien did not expand into the caves because he also had access to it, but I had the lucky situation that I went into the cave FROM my border chokepoint, and he would have had to divert an Army from his side of the chokepoint to do so.

End of year 1, Ys took my trying to push their filthy kind back into the water (where I completely underestimated Morvarc'h knights and embarrassed myself) as aggression and attacked me with said OP sacreds.
Just in time I came to an agreement with T'ien who probably wasn't too happy himself parking his army at the chokepoint and we signed a NAP.
My glorious unicorn knights swiftly took care of the slimy villains and Ys went AI.

>>535975860

Not long after R'lyeh started to act upon his threat of "no friendship allowed" and mindraped my coastal Provinces with occasional raids, which I could not defend against, because he could use an inland sea to regroup and refocus, while my troops ran in circles.
R'lyeh also took my cave and this was my only out to meet them in battle.
He massed meteorite guards and Illichuds and I thought his main chudstack in the caves where I pinned it in a fort after a nicely predicted move.
I won the fight - but in another embarrassment I cast iron bane without knowing his frogs had magic armor. (I massed Chu sidhes and Longbows with my knights)
R'lyeh went AI while leaving Loboniggers on my forts, and I retook the cave, my forts and monkmaxxed for my 2nd global: Riches from beneath.
I cast it just because I could, and ecause I was Ressource bottlenecked on my Cap and this global gave me 1 sacred more per turn, lol.
I did not know until the end just how obscenely rich I was compared to the other players.

>>535976260

Despite me being rich and having 2 globals, Ermor shaped up tp be the threat and the last 2 other remaining human players, T'ien Ch'i and C'tis were both under heavy assault.
C'tis had no throne in his swamps so I completely ignored him. T'ien had one throne next to my chokepoint (always ripe for the taking), and the other thrones were in the mainland accessible through my caves and thorugh CPU Shinuyama.
T'ien told me he had no shot at winning anymore because of Ermor and Shinuyama, but being inexperienced, I took it with a grain of salt and only went through the caves and through Shinuyama with a medium force.

Ermor had 3 thrones like me, and also pushed for the win - in a truly close race I breached the fort of one of the remaining thrones 1 turn before Ermor arrived. For the final fight I sortied and reinforced with my prophet, while simultaneously taking T'iens undefended throne with my God and the main mage stack from the chokepoint.
Winning this fight against Ermor would win me the game on the following turn. I even cast Wild Hunt to maybe snipe his Prophet to delay him in case I would not win the fight.

>>535940513
John Illwinter specificslly fucked with Mekone's ages so that unaging bless doesn't work right on them. It isn't mandatory.

This last stand was kind of a dissapointment, my Army had no high tier mage and Ermors Army was only a fraction of his troopsize, 700 skellies with a few high tier mages. (his main stack of 4000 was also just a few turns away, but he probably knew he needed to act quickly)
I armed my measly 7 mothers of avalon with most of my gems and sadly fucked up the Chorus completely because only Relief and Howl went up, I wanted 3 more battlefield enchantments - apparently I am still too bad at scripting.
Funny thing is, Ermor seemed to be mainly afraid of my monks, and only really cast Protection of the Sepulchre (+1 magic res battefieldwide) and spammed earth Elementals.
I anticipated Darkness or thugs - or just about anything to counter my knights, but they carved through the skellies like butter, while sylphs flanked rear and a lucky firedrake Merc buy blasted the fuckers through my fire resistant unicorn riders.
I claimed both thrones on the next turn, and ascended to the heavens, long live Man and the Tower of Avalon!

>>535977679
GG to Ermor, and thanks to my Chinese vassal state, he truly was my greatest ally.
I would be interested in takes from the other players in MAde_in_sweden!

>>535976838
Did every other player failspand or something

wtf is this income graph

>>535975360
Monkmaxxed and Homunculuspilled

MA Man is the easiest nation in the game desu but congratulations anyways anon on your win

>>535985807
I thought MA Ulm was the easiest? Granted Man is easier to win with, because size 5 sacred heavy cav with 3 attacks (1 magical).

>>535985807
Well of course I took an easy nation in my 2nd /domg/ game

>>535986336
I assume the sacred knights that can be made to counter most things through their bless are easier to play than the grug unga faction that keels over and dies from some spicy air or an astrally projected headache

>>535987347
MA Ulm had one of the highest win rates in dom 5.
They were easy to win with in the domg format, where 80% of the players suck or went ai. They usually just rolled over everybody in the midgame spamming iron blizzard and just having better units
Man in 6 feels stronger than that though but I havent played them in mp.

>>535986336
ma ulm dies to poison and mr checks

ma man just needs a nice, easy bless, and then their knights' magic weapons, poison resistance and recuperation trivializes or mitigates a lot of mechanics that otherwise could trip up new players, and still bothers domg veterans. inkpot end magic site? the knights have disease resistance and recuperation. leprosy? same. battle afflictions accruing? recuperation

their national communions also don't result in the deaths of their mages

nature paths are great for forging supply items

longbows can get envenomed arrows, and their sacred knights are already poison resistant

>>535987818
in a game of experienced players, won't ma ulm need luck with random paths for research boosters (1 air gem/owl quill dream), or luck with good indie mages?

>>535916402
Tylers poop coming out of my ass..

>>535989594
whats Tyler Durdan eat, anyways? I'm guessing he eats a lot of mexican food.

>>535985807
I think I lost my last version but this is more or less my take. Though I'm open for correcting it if any Anons have input.

>>535990839
Abyssia way too high

>>535990839
Machaka is A tier now in my opinion.
Glamour really gave them a lot to work with and being able to summon sacred spiders now is huge.
I'm a MA xib lover but they are B at best. Too heavily map dependent, gets dumpstered in a first war against Agartha and Abysia in the caves

>>535990839
I am an Ind believer, but not having access to Femine’s crown of anti-homesickness + bless nerfs + dogmen being more expensive really brings them down. If the Indians had a +1 to all stats across the board or something to compensate, or a unique Holy Ritual to anoint a Vassal/Summoned/Indie Commander into a sacred unit maybe they could keep their spot, but unfortunately in Dom6 EA Agartha does their gimmick way better

>>535990839
I did with as MA Arco with a classic Drakon build
Ngl tho, it's pretty much mandatory in the age of nerfed ethereal tramplers

>>535993846
Really good idea for a Ind buff btw.
Someone tell Sloops if he can code/make a mod with a custom ritual that makes a non-sacred Legendary Commander and up to 10 high experience troops into sacred “honorary men/women of Ind”. I think that would be an amazing buff that maintains their gimmick. I know Holy Rituals are possible

>>535993846
Ind being locked to candles for expansion recruitment while every other nation got like a 20% boost from dom 5 to 6 feels really bad.
Magic weapons being incarnate hurts too as do non incarnate stat bless nerfs, particularly strength and blood surge. Felt like they had way more viable strats in dom 5

>>535994548
what pretender do you go for?

could a b7n3 awake black bull with unholy weapons and enchanted blood (to not bleed to death) work?

>>535994548
Why are magical weapons 'good'?
Ethereals seem like a niche thing to deal with just using sacreds

>>535995057
It also ignores resistance and invulnerability to piercing/slashing/blunt damage

>>535994938
In 5 I liked them most with an imprisoned statbless baphomet. I'm sure thats harder to get away with now though.
Awake monster is probably the safest, but getting a high dom score and a decent bless/scales with them is limiting too. They are really hard to build for now.

>>535994548
At least Ind’s gimmick of being able to recruit over the candle limit survived. I don’t know *how* high you can get it, but I got to 15 Ind Swordsmen per turn, which *can* be pretty scary, but the lack of sacred cav or other, more diverse units hurts them

>>535995057
Ethereals are more common in 6 than in 5, in part due to magic weapons being far more expensive to fit in a build, but also because of glamour magic and illusions.
I don't think I ever saw anybody take the ethereal bless in 5, and I've seen multiple people take it in 6 already and do well.

>>535995898
Mari took ethereal+solar in Cracked and ate much of the map iirc

>>535995057
magic weapons work against (probably not exhaustive):

ethereal
invulnerability
mistform (ends it for everyone)

ethereal is a massive 75% miss chance without mweaps. units will typically approximately last 4x longer. if the armies are otherwise equally matched, except a good portion of one side is ethereal, this is massive

invulnerability, especially with protection, can make protection so high that barely any damage gets through, or at least is heavily reduced

mweaps on low damage is less impressive than on high damage attacks, but can still help

imagine a horde of ethereal undead. or illusions. without mweaps, it will take forever to get through

imagine ethereal giants with good protection and regen. how will you overcome the regen?

imagine a dracolich with high invulnerability and fear. how will you deal enough damage before your units flee in terror or get killed?

imagine a lot of lion warriors marching at you. disregard this, they are arguably op and will probably kill you regardless, but maybe you can cause more attrition on them

imagine a stationary pretender with ethereal and other buffs. how will you get through it?

imagine jinn (if i understand the mechanics correctly). if one of your units is lucky enough to overcome its unseen (unless it has true sight/spirit sight), ethereal might make the attack fail, making the jinn last almost forever while they slaughter your armies, even though you just needed that one point of damage to dispel unseen. though then there is both mirror images and ethereal to get through after unseen

>>535995057
bless mweaps are better on nations with good sacreds and high damage where their evocations or other magic have some holes in coverage in regards to dealing damage
ma c'tis is probably a great pick for mweaps

>>535996703
>especially with protection
especially with armor

>>535996056
That’s cause of the Solar buff. Solar *is* Magic Weapons. It goes through Ethereal and fucks up shades and other undead/demon nasties. I think that’s precisely why Magic Weapons became Incarnate. Because Solar Weapons is what you are supposed to use to counter Ethereal on a stat/hellbless

>>535995057
>Why are magical weapons 'good'?

>>535573914 (OP)
how do destruction and iron bane work?

>>536002353
They don't, as every nation you'd want to use it on has bullshit magic armour making them immune
see; MA Ulm

>>536002629
thats kind of dumb, the one nation you'd want to use it on is immune..

>>535995057
Mweps is a very specific bless that counters a lot of issues you have lategame, but for most of the time you want a bless that helps you either early or midgame. And I would argue that regular magic can help against ethereal things in lategame anyway.

Is Ys’s biggest weakness their crippling Merrow deficiency and Morgen dependency? As well as the fact that said Morgans, while comparable to Man’s Unicorn Knights, lack both any form of elemental resistance as well as Recuperation? Morgen do have the length advantage with their magic weapon, compared to an alicorn, but no fire resistance on the rider, no heat aura on the mount (and only 15 fire resistance) and their third attack being a natural weapon 6 damage AoE 1 length 0 fire breath that can bake your own soldiers holds them back.

>>536005869
Ys's biggest weakness is they get wrecked by all the other uw nations in a first war

>>536006381
There’s also that, yeah. They need to compete with all the other water boys. And everyone else is geared for water domination, while Ker-Ys is coastal domination

>only 15 fire resistance
Elf players everyone

>Only 15 fire res
What are you running into that that threatens 15 fucking res

>>536006891
You’re right. While it does breathe fire and has fire hair, it is not a magic being/elemental like the fire snake and summer lion.
The fire drake and firebird have 15 fire resistance so it makes sense the Morcarc’h should have 15 as well. But I don’t understand why it doesn’t have heat aura, its hooves, tail and mane are on fire. I also don’t get why Morgen knights don’t have fire resistance. What, their hair and clothes don’t catch fire? Their armor doesn’t bake their skin?

>>536007914
why don't fire drakes have beam and salamanders have area attacks? seems backwards to me. Abysia literally recruits flame cannons and your stuck with maybe 2 or 3 drake summons per mage turn and they do squat.

>>536008907
Salamander do have area attacks and drakes do have beams.

>>535990839
I feel like putting all water nations in water tier is doing them a disservice, R'lyeh, Ys, and Pelagia are serious contenders (dunno about Atlantis, Oceania definitely belongs in water tier)

>>535997815
Who the fuck is getting to alteration 8 before the game is decided?

>>536009761
anyone with good research in a 20+ player game

>>535991491
It's weird having a bless that doesn't do anything until 20 turns into the game admittedly (need Conj4 and Alt5 for Oak if you want to summon those spiders more than once every three turns)
Provided you don't get run-over before your unlimited spiderworks is online though, they are pretty neat (being magic beings though sucks, since you really want to stick them in a line and you have no 100+ magic leaders)

>>536009743
Mainly because I never play water so I have no opinion

>>536002629
iron bane works on MA Ulm

>>536019589
they have magic armor.

>>536019589
you spread lies

>>536019804
its still iron you stupid fuck
iron bane applies rust to everything

>>536020008
>material composition: ferrous
that description text is false

>>536020008
test it. ironbane works on both sides so play MA ulm and cast it in SP

>>536019804
>>536020008
>>536020493

>>536020917
okay, now at the end of the fight, do any of them have reduced protection because their armour is actually broken?

>>536021403
nigga that's not how rust works
the armor has to become damaged first

>>536021403
but the rust does remain after the fight
so suck my nibs

>>536023075
It remains until you get to a place with resources and then it resets

>>536022843
yes
at the -end of the fight-, ie 'after getting nailed a dozen times because they have 7 defense', did they have the damaged/broken armour, or shield condition?
>>536023075
similar to a diseased undead, it's just there. that condition will never cause a hit to actually damage/break magic armour.
are you arguing semantics saying 'look, the rust is there', ignoring that the broken condition wont be caused by it?

>blacksteel isn't magic
Wut

>>536024068
maybe that only happens during the fight.

>>536024068
alright you got me
it is just the weapon that becomes rusted

Summon Trade & Taint

Rust is a shitty debuff, maybe the shittiest in the game.

>>535973145
foul vapours

>>535573914 (OP)
Anybody making a game?
Down to 3 now.

>>536030560
shitty for who, the person with the debuff or the person casting it?

>>536037950
it's not strong

>>536039361
does it have to be physical hits or could say, a hit from a flamestorm battlefield enchant cause it to break?

MAd_World ends next turn probably.

>>536041938
Fuck. That was quick.

>>536037803
might do a sloop's EA game tomorrow

>>536005245
mweaps can be useful early game and not matter much lategame, for instance if an opponent is rushing you that has a sacred or hellbless that involves ethereal or invulnerability, but lategame you would rely on evocation spam, not sacreds

>>536043376
I'll join, I have a new stratego

>>536043376
I'm in 3 EA games... Pls MA or LA I beg you.
LA with worthy heroes even because LAme

What tendies make a good beatstick or SC?

>>536052228
Titans but they're overpriced.

>>536043376
You should wait a week or so, to catch everyone who gets washed out in the first wars of rEAd

>>536052228
I like the Moloch. 20 natural protection, heat aura, fear, wings, ambidextrous, combat caster, and starts with imps. At const 3 you can give him armor and a couple Maces of Eruption and start mulching people. Downside is the demon tag, but he's strong. It might be worth paying the 80 points for an extra buff path. LA Mari can afford a dormant moloch with Unbearable Splendor and Blood Surge.

>>536052228
Titan
Earth, Nature, Air
Fire & Glam are nice too

>>536052228
colossal fetish, perhaps?

could also go full meme and take it imprisoned with s10, and then see if you somehow can get to thaum9 for master enslave shenanigans. innate spellcaster, casting time should be low

It's time to rate prophet-god name combos in go_rEAd

>>536052228
Dragons

Did Crack Agartha find a sub

zemaitia doko

>>536015974
You know Machaka still can recruit the sacred spider riders too right? Whats this your bless does nothing till conj 4 nonsense?
Also 1 point of magic leadership bless gives your sacred hunter spider commander the ability to lead 4 casts of god brood in a line. You can definitely fit that in a bless.

>>536074709
oh you're right, i thought you needed 100 magic leader to put them in a line but for some reason it uses the base leadership value.
point still stands on not wanting to use the black hunter rider guys though, they're stupid expensive and nowhere near as good as other sacred cav without a ridiculous hellbless

>>536058451
ermor's second prophet name really expanded the canon

>>536077619
Hunter spiders only need a mid tier bless to be worth using, outside of their terrible matchups. Their terrible matchups being: Size 6+ units that hit hard, size 2-3 units with exceptional strength or are very cost effective, and magic save spells like soul slay or the anti animal nature spells. Shit that relies on illusions or high defense like human sized cavalry and elves get mulched by spiders. Or cheap units that can't reliably chip past the armor or break out of webs like most pd.
Larger + Hardskin makes them an insanely beefy lineholder in big fights, and very small parties of them can easily clear pd. They expand super fast too if your bless is awake.
You don't want to tank your scales too hard for the bless because thats how you kill yourself via upkeep. You need to hit the sweet spot in the middle.
They also seem like a very good candidate for taking obfuscate, which pretty much turns them into beefed up white centaurs with a web and poison attack and super high map move. And their spy mage will get bonus stealth too.
You can also maybe stack some strength onto the bless to try and help the poison attack pierce higher armor, since the poison effect is really hard to resist. That probably isnt super efficient but larger is worth it for the bonus hp anyway

>>536079451
I have a Man-Eater expander with Hard skin Ench blood in MAx payne. Spiders just mulch through indies given enough density, like a squad of 8-10 spiders every 2 turns lead by a Voice. Man eater can clear within dominion easily, and once you have Alt2 for stone skin you can expand anywhere. Don't even have to dip into anything but misf2, still production 2 to mass the hoplites, magic 2 cold 1, and neutral on all scales. I'm still finding a buff routine for the chaffs with the witch doctors and sorcs, for it has so many low paths.

>>536063909
I'm seeing if i can spare any free time to continue playing, and i do know i have to join a physical training routine at the very start of the school year, so if i can't continue i'll post a burner email and anyone interested can take over, or i'll just ai.

>>536079451
what about slow weapons + heat aura? though if heat aura is per unit and mount, then it would only be two sources per square, instead of four sources per square like most cavalry

>>536085349
I don't really like the idea of weapon blesses for them, especially if you are planning to summon riderless sacred spiders too. Their attack density is just bad.
For their bless you want to either make them last longer or help them clear chaff.
I think fire shield could be pretty decent on them, since it prevents them getting countered by swarm and illusion spam, and would also help them raid pd.
Heat aura could maybe work if you are going with a buffing strategy with alt or enchant magic, but I've been unimpressed with that bless on other beefy cavalry in the past. I tried it with MA Pyrene before, and they even have recruitable fire res troops to combo with it.

>>536079451
maybe sight vengeance, that might work against some hard-hitting units. if the black hunters' role primarily is to block, then sight vengeance should support that role well. wouldn't deal anymore damage, however, making death poison affect high-protection enemies less often

#newtemplate 76
#form "Divine Glyph" (1025)
#prison 0
#magic 0 8
#magic 4 7
#domstr 5
#scale 0 -2
#scale 1 -1
#scale 2 -2
#scale 3 -1
#scale 4 2
#scale 5 2
#bless "Unbearable Splendour"
#bless "Arcane Command"
#end

>>536062087
Dragons are expanders and can gice support in the first war but they are not SCs.

>>536085349
Slowing weapons requires hitting what you're attacking first. Heat aura is only good for knocking out enemies when you are survivable but don't have much damage. Maybe black hunters are in that category.

>>536085768
Sight vengeance is REALLY good.

>>536085768
i think you're right, especially weapon density is significant

>>536085768
I don't like the idea of Machaka having 2 magic attacks in one round

If its stuck on “waiting for game info” it means Blitz is down, right?

>>536091947
A SCUD has just hit the military hospital where blitzmin was hiding

>>536091947
Not necessarily. You can safely close the game and reopen it.
If blitz is down or had a hiccup:
>You'll get a message saying your local turns are different from server
If blitz isn't down:
>Your turns likely sent but either a connection issue or a hiccup caused the game to glitch in this state.

>>536091947
the Z warriors lured blitzmin out of his trench with sexy snake art, he will be fighting them for at least 5 more episodes please understand

And MAd_World ends. So what was going on in the world outside fighting Ermor? The story I saw from my scouts was that once the first wars ended everyone just kind of sat around. Marignon had enough thrones in and on their borders that they won without needing to fight anyone.

Fucking hate Shaytans.

>>536097186
could easily be the plot to some He-Man or Conan episode

What's the vibe of the new nation? Slav fairy knights?

Do you guys keep a pastbin or something like that of tried and proven pretenders/bless designs from here?
I cant seem to wrap around my head around figuiring out what I want out of my pretender beyond obvious stuff, and if I want to slap blood surge on it or not.

>>536117249
teutonic order

>>536118203
What nation

>>536118203
What nation

These are the main archetypes in decreasing order of popularity:
Imprisoned 1-dom chassis rainbow non-incarnate bless
Awake 2-dom monster expander
Awake 4-dom immobile chassis incarnate bless
Dormant 3-dom titan SC chassis or a mobile 4-dom collossus
Awake 1-dom rainbow researcher

>>536119003
>>536119610

For every nation in general. I would like to see an aggregate of what people are doing, so that I could compare with my line of thought, and for the chance of seeing some stuff that would make go like "why the fuck didnt I ever think of that"

For example, here I how I last tried tinkering something for Helheim

>they seem to want cast lots of air magic arty and use storm (summon valkyries natinal spell and storm power), but are limited by their path, so I need pretende that can help path boosting air somehow
>summoning valkyries spell sounds cool but the storm spell needed for that means they cant use flying, so I guess I will need Storm Flight bless
>lots of death and glamour, that means magic checks, better add the Magic Pen bless on the cart too
>maybe Far Casting too so I can throw shit on the enemy lines earlier
>those sacreds dont like attrition and prolonged braws under missile fire, specially early on when the money is ultra thin, and the valkyries will sometimes take away too long to snipe a commander the backline. I guess Blood Surge will do the trick here
>what about those expensive battlemages you twiceborned, wouldn'tbe cool if they werent missing limbs? Mending Bones
>ok now time to fit this all on a budget, and dont forget the scales since Helheim is unit line is pricey and slow on research

So I ended up with rainbow imprisoned Master Dwarf, with Oder 2, Sloth 2, Heat 0, Misfortune 1, Magic 1
Surely there must be something less better with less overthinking than what I did. And I would like to know about it

buritsu seruveru desu... shindeiru

>>536124801
I will write a guide for you and post it on steam

>>536117249
Lithuanian pagans who converted teutons into fairy moose knights

>>536124801
Okay here's something
1. Get a build that can reliably get you 12+ provinces year 1
2. Have your pretender have a niche your nation can't natively get

>>536127797
I thought it was 15 by end of year one?

>>536124801
I don't play elf nations much and I've only played Helheim once but here's my thoughts:

Building a pretender for air boosters is fine. Air is hard to boost.

You don't need a storm to summon valkyries. You just need to cast it with two gems. You can boost a path for one spell by one level by using an extra gem. Your vanjarls are A2, spell is A3 and costs 1 gem, so spend 2 gems.

Far Caster is good but Thunderstrike is your spam evocation and that already has 100 range. Also your guys aren't afraid to "cast and advance".

You're spending a lot of bless points on things that don't make your units better at killing stuff. That's pinning a lot of hope on Blood Surge. What if you're up against somebody you can't kill easily, like giants or genies? Then blood surge isn't even on and you've just got a base stat line.

>>536128697
It's whatever you want it to be. There's no Dominions pope dictating the right number. With random maps you sometimes get starts that can't get 12 provinces no matter what your build is.

>>536124801
a bit long, more than one post

figuring that out would be an excellent learning experience. you can take several approaches to it, mental models, paradigms, etc.
in some (not necessarily all) examples of complex competitive video games with regular competitions with cash prizes, the top players according to interviews and rumors can have very different ways of approaching, playing, understanding, etc. the game

in your post, you have theories on what may be good or not, and you optimize in a way that includes taking a lot of stuff in the bless to help here and there. but, as you yourself also seem to identify, you have not prioritized heavily. and you are now (as far as i can figure out) seeking information, possibly to enable you to better figure out mental models, approaches, learning and experimentation methods to use, both regarding the game and more generally as learning, etc., which in many ways is very smart of you as far as i can figure out. if you are not good at prioritization, this may be a way for you to test and evaluate yourself at prioritization (and maybe also other things) in a complex and challenging, yet safe (it is a game after all) setting. your approach with information gathering: which may help both with learning to prioritize; and also is an indication of a good general strategy you already appear to possess of gathering information for the sake of having a better foundation to make decisions, estimate, predict, take precautions and make fallback plans (for instance if predictions fail), prioritize (prioritization arguably typically requires at least some information and good understanding), etc.

playing the game helps, some people test in singleplayer test arenas, there are strategy guides and a wiki, there are textual and video let's plays/after-action reports, forums, there is the manual, tools like the mod inspector, etc.

>>536124801

on prioritization, one approach (and it may be a fine strategy of finding your own approaches and just adapt or get inspired by approaches described by others, also since for instance others may have flaws in their approaches, or might intentionally or not give wrong information, etc.) may be to try to either test in practice or try to otherwise evaluate the consequences of different builds. see if a build works in practice, are there synergies, does it spread out too much or does the spread synergize or cover weaknesses, does it focus a lot on aspects that don't come much into play, etc. there are also early vs. late game considerations, where you generally want to try to be able to do well at all stages. there are lots of different concepts that can be considered. studying real life philosophy, logic, business, history and military history, nature, biology, etc., can also help (though there can be mountains of misinformation, whether from ancient reports or newer ones, trying to guess and be skeptical can be rather helpful, though it can be difficult at best to figure out many things, reasoning through and understanding in depth and testing your understanding, etc., can help, also strategizing, taking precautions, etc. regarding for instance (anti-/war)social tactics and strategies like gaslighting, can be helpful). some players also try to copy without investing much energy into figuring out a lot of this, and invest their energy elsewhere, there are many approaches. on a different topic, it is curious that there are species of bees that primarily feed through parasiting other bee species as far as i know, and there are species of mosquitoes that do not drink blood but especially eat other species of mosquitoes

>>536128697
The rule of thumb used to be 12 in Dominions 4 and 5. We've gotten some inflation now but old habits die hard.

>>536129551
>There's no Dominions pope dictating the right number.
Is this true, /domg/?

CrackMA gang isn't Marignon in control of four thrones and about to win the game, is anyone gonna do something?

>>536134649
What does Sombre say about year 1 prov numbers?

>>536128697
I played this game for a thousand hours and if I have 15 provinces by turn 12 non expander then I'm a happy camper, can't be asked to do more.

>>536136119
No.

>>536136276
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2511500/discussions/0/595155949401037287/

Need a new game.

>>536128697
Depends on the build IMO. If I'm running a big incarnate awake bless I am not satisfied with less than 20 for that heavy investment and power. 15 is viable for nations that rely on scales expansion or have a later game focused bless, but aiming for 12 is a serious lowball and there is a lot of province pathing optimization and build choices you could improve on if 12 is your usual.

>>536133882
Insecure newfag revisionism, it was always 15. Only in the latter half of Dom5 did shitters (probably one particular shitter) try to pretend it was ever 12.
>>536137470
>20 after 12 (with no opposition, default throne settings)
Utterly shocked that this SPcuck and supreme faggot has high standards for expansion. Domg vets on suicide watch.

>>536124801
>for Helheim
If you want a "tried and tested" build for elf nations just do imprisoned rainbow statsresist
>fire res
>shock res
>defence skill
>strength
>poison res
>undying
>heroism
>enchanted blood
It's boring but it just works

blitzmin noooo im gonna miss my turn

Server is down anons, you know the drill, post lizard smut, ASSES AND ELBOWS ANONS

>>536131718
How do I use/install/setup test arenas?

>>536136119
I have 3 thrones

8 minutes left and two players haven't done their turns

RIP go_read

>>536158753
Well, some nations are bound to collapse anyway and the player count is still healthy not counting them.

>>536148539
For the longest time (over a year) I thought the knee was a giant lizard cock

>>536127797
>>536128697
>>536133882
>>536136505
Wait, dont tell me you guys cant even nail 20 provs by year 1 anymore...
How does /domg/ keep getting worse at the game each year?

>>536157601
maybe this
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3142555207

might be cool

>>536165076
>just
At this point I'd focus more on the big 'todo list' of stuff to improve the existing nations. From heroes, to expanding the list of recruitable units, improving older pretenders and adding more national spells maybe.
It's fine to be out of creative juice, but piling on top more half baked content will just make the game worse as time goes on.

New Gaem?

>>536165076
If the map has only 10 provinces per player and a few dudes take absolute hellblesses, then yes, 20 would be the exception, not the norm

>>536157701
lying cunt

>>536174192
Machakan, you can just check the thrones tab

>>536174395
I thought he was talking about MAd_World my bad

WTF happened in mad world? Why did half the players instantly die?

>>536175406
Newfag-kun the game is over.

I won MAd_World so I'll start posting the graphs in case anyone is interested in seeing them.

My expansion went fairly well and after the end of the first year I saw that I bordered Abysia, Uruk, and Mictlan.

Abysia wanted friendly relations which I had no problem with since fighting high prot fire resistant heavy infantry seemed like it would be a bad time for me. The river and heat scales also created an especially chokey border between us.

Uruk and Mictlan went to war with each other and Mictlan sent me a message encouraging me to attack Uruk. I opted to stay out of it since there was still a ton of unclaimed territory to my north. I was expecting to find another cap there, but just ended up at Uruk's southern border with a small border with Ashdod to the west.

At this point I realized that there were enough thrones in or next to my territory that I could just claim them and win.

I pinged the closest thrones with scouts and it looked like the throne with the fairies and fey would be easiest to take.

I spammed it with fire elementals and claimed the throne of gaia which was very nice as my scales had neutral growth.

I also got lucky and managed to pick up a treelord staff from one of the fairy queens which coupled with some indie jaguar tribe gave me nature access. Summoning trolls tribes also gave me death access.

The next throne I went after was guarded by an Earth king and a bunch of trolls and earth elementals. Flaming crossbows bolts, fire evos, and fire elementals made it a fairly easy throne to clear.

This province also had sites for gnomes and adepts of the iron order which gave me earth and glamour access.

This was the throne of the artificer. I remember a post in the thread trying to encourage everyone else to team up against me, but I guess nothing came of it and no one attacked me.

After Uruk defeated Mictlan, I considered attacking him, but a buidup of Abysians on the border made me paranoid and I ended up turning back.

They left presumably to fight Ermor, and I got lazy and decided to focus on thrones.

Diligent site searching paid off and I had a healthy gem income especially of fire, air, nature, and glamour. I ended up casting Eternal Pyre and summoning a bunch of harbingers, choir angels, trolls and blue caps.

I ended up burning a ton of fire gems taking the next throne trying to get fire ward up on my army, but aside from some red cows trampling some of my crossbowmen and mages the battle went well.

I waited for enchantment 8 and thunder fend to take the next throne because of all shock damage from the storm drakes and air elementals. I scripted my witch hunters to cast hidden flame to try and minimize friendy fire which seemed to work out pretty well. I also had blue caps to take the iron dragon down with shatter.

At this point I only needed two more thrones to end the game, one of which would require crossing a frozen river which was only possible due to Ermor's cold dominion pushing out so hard.

Surely at this point it was obvious that I was throne rushing. I expected to start seeing armies from Abysia, Uruk, and Ashdod on my border, but no response ever came. I empowered and Icthyid mage in water to cast wolven winter on the province on my side of the river to make sure I could cross.

As my army moved towards the frozen wastes of Ermor I remembered a post in the thread mentioning Murdering Winter. Then it hit me. There was no response, because there didn't need to be one. My mostly human army full of old human mages was sitting in a cold 3 province.

Across there river were roughly 500 abysians ready to mop up what would be left of my tattered forces. In one masterful stroke my army would be crushed and my throne rush foiled. Abysia had claimed a throne province which contained a site that gave him mages that could potentially be W3 and evocation researched high enough to cast Murdering Winter.

I desperately scripted as many fire mages as I could to cast fire fend hoping at least some of them would survive. The trolls and draconians would survive the winter and the angels were coming in from a different province so they would be unaffected, but there was no guarantee how much else would make it across the river.

In desperation I scripted my Harbingers to cast wrathful skies and thunder fend hoping that along with army regen it would be enough even in the absence of human soldiers.

I had fallen into a deadly trap.

Or so I thought. In reality no murdering winter came and I blew up half my army with wrathful skies, but managed to take the throne anyway.

The last throne was cleared fairly easily except my knights got caught up on a bunch of will o wisps for most of the battle.

GG everyone. It was a pretty chill game for me and my first time playing Marignon.

>>536179507
>>536180323
>get paranoid about a 1 v Everyone coalition as imminent victory is obvious and overprepare for every possibility, only to slide to a win with no catharsis
This happens to me in every game I win, so it's best to get used to it. /domg/ are very bad at coordinating against a threat in time, or mustering enough effort to bother if they aren't contenders themselves. The only very close games I've had were in blitzes where everyone was committed to it in the moment.
Good writeup.

>>536166815
bespoke lithuanian fairy goddesses got me acting unwise

>>536166815
>>536187407
post the sprite

>>536058451
stop the count!! helheim had a good prophet name but it was a turn late

>>536180323
Congrats anon

>>536180323
wut was your bless

>>536187194
I did manage to pick up a site from Mictlan from my first war and even then I saw Marignon was far ahead of everyone. I was a rump state, so I messaged Ind and Abyisa (the second place runners) suggesting they might want to do something about it. I then spent the rest of the game messing around, cleaning up indie attacks and failing to take a throne. I had a small border with Marignon and I was way behind him, so there was no way I was going to attack with other others dog piling him.

i love therodos so much

>>536211745
But, the nerfs...

>>536187407
>bespoke
where did the resurgence of this word come from?
is there some tiktok trend? i swear i went from never hearing it to seeing it multiple times daily

>>536164123
>

>>536180323
GG Anon

>>536221083
It gets used semi regularly in software development by consultants as a fancy $200k salary way of saying ad-hoc. But I've never heard it outside of that.

>>536226637
oh fuck that might be it
now that gpt5 can make shitty games everyone is calling their slop 'bespoke'

What if your awake pretender dies on the first expansion turn? Go AI? N-not that it happened to me, g-geez ;_;

>>536221083
it had a resurgence years ago with the broke/woke/bespoke meme format
anon is using it correctly and normally though
/domg/ is a literate general, remember
not like the unwashed gacha masses around us

FINALLY HOME TIME FOR-
>bad gateway

How do I survive a two on one

come on Blitzmin! what is this? there's a storm *here* but not where your servers are

>>536245487
More info

>>536246021
I fail warred against another minor player and the biggest player is now expanding my poop chute

>>536247372
make a coalition against the threat/biggest player?

>>536247372
>try to get other people to attack the big guy
>use glamor items to fake a huge army to keep either of them on the defensive
>avoid big battle and raid instead to force one on the defensive while you focus on the other one
Hard to say without knowing what nations are involved, what armies, etc. Dominions generally favors the defender, though, specially later into the game. See if there's some spells or rituals that you can use to slow or stop the advance of one of the players. If you can threaten with making the attack too expensive, they might back off and then you can focus on the other one.

>>536245487
Assuming you arent the size of them both combined or bigger, you should all in your army on the one you think you have the best chance of winning a battle against. If you win that decisively you've either at least bought time on that front, or may have leverage to make peace.
You'll lose provinces fast on the other side, but if you still have an army you could take them back if you split the coalition. Make just one member suffers while the other one gets a free ride. People dont like being in unfair partnerships
Your chances of coming out of it relevant are very low though especially if you arent big to begin with

Pangaea! the servers are back! you need to do your turn! There's only 5 hours left! Pangaea!

Summon Kitsune

Hard Skin vs Larger bless?

>>536233896
an exquisite oasis in a desert of brainrot

>>536263939
I don't see much point in taking Larger unless you're turning a size 4 unit into a size 5 one.

>>536264625
Larger is better as a general bless that also helps your mages and your troops. It's always active too to help against magic phase attacks. Obviously nice for sacred communion nations.
The bonus map move can be pretty clutch too if it hits a nice break point, like bumping a mage to 16 map move or something.
Also its non incarnate, so its better for imprisoned builds duh.
It's really good on certain nations. I've taken it on MA Xib (in dom 5), La Pyth and Shinuyama and didn't regret it at all.

>>536265606
LA Pyth is its singular best use case because both sacreds maintain their square density and one of them is a regening giant with a bunch of attacks that scale with str

>>536266086
It's even better. Serpent cataphracts hit a map move breakpoint with it which makes them keep up with comitatense and mages which is amazing for strategic mobility.

>>536266832
Wait, larger means more speed???

>>536273647
Yes, it's not much (+2 MapMove) but sometimes that can really make a difference (10 -> 12, 16 -> 18, etc)

>>536273647
+1 size, +30% HP, +3 strength, -1 defence, +2 move

>>536275571
The +3 strength also feels nice on sacreds you need to deal damage for some secondary effect
see MA Machakas god broods. If larger, it becomes 18 piercing and if that gets through defense and does any damage, it instantly slaps 35 poison damage on top, a death sentence to anything that doesn't regenerate.

New Gaem?

>>536278643
Sure
Lemme whip up a map

>>536276132
the fangs attack is good, but also a bit specialized, a lot of units have 25 poison resist, reducing 35 to 5, by (35-25)*(50-25)/50 = 10/2 = 5. and the fangs attack isn't magical
on the other hand, the enlargement does increase a lot of other stats as well, and the increased frequency of death poison is definitely good

how to deal with other enemies? flaming and envenomed arrows on pygmy archers, fire in a jar from dwarven hammers on sorcerers and phoenix power, etc.? venomous death is good, but just more poison damage. sorcerers don't seem like good evocation spammers, and there aren't really any other choices for evocation spammers

access to all research boosters except air. and plenty of cheap glamour mages for holding dreamstones, and dwarven hammers for discount

the black sorcerer might be a good lategame thug, fire for phoenix pyre, earth for summon earth power and forging hammers for cheaper gear, maybe soul vortex with a staff and gem. but the black sorcerer is slow-to-recruit and is needed for other tasks as well, and the second shape has few equipment slots, and phoenix pyre probably isn't as good in dom6 as in dom5 if it ends after enough turns pass

do the spider sorceress dom-attract spiders?

nature and glamour is a nice crosspath for rituals

maybe: handle the early and midgame with spiders, archers, and mages buffing the archers. and then have some lategame plan through pretender. maybe black sorcerer thugs. and exploit glamour magic, spies, effigy of war and stealth here and there

have people won with ma machaka? how did they do it?

>>536285374
>do the spider sorceress dom-attract spiders?
I had considered a super spider heavy build where you recruit one spider sorc every turn with maxed out dom (it's a dom/20 chance, so each turn each spider sorc has a 50% chance in max dom) but... they're old age, so by the first winter, many of them get diseased.

The biggest thing Machaka really, truly needs? A pretender that can cast Gift of Health, they must be able to reach N6, otherwise you get full wiped by anything that causes disease. That is Machakas hard counter. Disease.

>>536286950
they do have nature mages that can heal specific commanders, but it is true that it doesn't scale

i'd think that many things can counter them lategame, what can they do if the enemy casts air shield and fire/poison resistance buffs? am i underestimating the spiders?

Rate my sacred

Base Stats
Attack 12
Defense 12
Strength 12
Morale 12
Magic Resistance 12
Size: 3
HP: 12

Tower Shield
Golden Spear
Bronze Cap
Bronze Scale Haubrek

Sacred
Formation Fighter (2)

Not Cap Only

>>536290691
Its insidiously generic.

>>536290691
Could be awesome or total shit depending on the gold cost.

>>536291526
You could give it a cost reduction in order scales.

Is there a way to test this without modding it in? Some sort of utility to determine gold and recruitment cost?

>>536291526
final stats are 13 attack 15 defense. Maybe add in some natural protection to get prot up to 15.

>>536292086
Units aren't autocosted, it's just John's whim. Look at comparabke units. Yours is probably worth about 20.

Sacred
Size 2
Seducer
Female
Awe 3
Glamour
Mirror images
Unaging
Stupid

>>536292598
you can set modded units to be autocosted.

>>536293578
commanders yes units no

>>536292953
Stupid tag does nothing unless somebody stops mounting her

>>536290691
Post lore, coward.

>>536290691
Rate my sacred

Base Stats
Attack 12
Defense 12
Strength 12
Morale 12
Magic Resistance 12
Size: 3
HP: 12
Prot: 3

Tower Shield
Golden Spear
Bronze Cap
Mictlan Copper Scale Armor (Equivalent)

Sacred
Formation Fighter (2)
Reduced Cost (Order) (3)
Not Cap Only

>>536296653
You need a temple, obviously. And a fort. Are there sacreds you can recruit without a temple? That'd be odd.

The Machine Men used to worship the Machine God before the new pretender came. They prize order and efficiency above all else and seek to emulate automatons in battle, acting with precision and well executed organization. They try to remain stoic and emotionless and devote their lives entirely to martial disipline, with assembly lines producing their ordained equipment with strict tolerances and material requirements that can strike even ethereal and invulnerable beings with their orichalcum tipped spears.

>>536297884
Their skin is like leather from the arid deserts and sun trials they must face to join the ranks of the Machine Men. They were bronze haubreks with large plated pauldrons, and carry wooden tower shields painted gold. They fight in tight formations and can be trained anywhere there is sufficient infrastructure and the cult of the new god can be found. They are generally stronger, tougher, better trained and more resistant to magic than ordinary troops.

>>536283607
Hurry up anon! I need my dominions!

>>536283607
>>536298750
Anon fell asleep.
Anon must be old.

>>536306280
lol, tf happened here?

>>536306280
is dat some Unbearable Splendor on a Demon macaw?

My veteran friend says you need to go for hellblessed heat scales Ragha since Zhayedan are OP killing machines but I'm not sure if I agree, what's the domgee verdict?

>>536318997
Since Dom6 they're completely fucked because they need 2 sacred points per Gryphon. It's not worth playing for a bless on them because they don't give as much value as giants. If you were able to mass them it would be fine in LA but it's not. Just play cold Ragha and go full scales.

>>536285374
By taking storm flight

>>536285374
>a lot of units have 25 poison resist
never change domg

>>536323895
How can he say such an outlandish thing and then provide a reasonable analysis for the rest. Is it a jest

>>536325678
I mean it's true but those sort of things have pretty obvious counters in comparison

>>536306280
Good birb

Ghost Grips

End of culture

>>536322356
Little miss obsessed, you need to get help and take your medication.

go_rEAd_a_book anons, what books are you reading?

>>536349365
I'm rereading The Neverending Story currently.

>>536318997
TRVE RaGhODS play neutral temp full scales

>>536349365
I really haven't been keeping up with my reading as much as I like to, but I started reading the The Book of WereWolves by Baring-Gould during breaks at work. It's public domain so you can read it online, and it really goes into detail about the origins of the werewolf.

>>536349365
Who let him cultivate. I'm a sucker for comedy xianxia.

>>536349365
Rubyquest

Hey anons
Why dont we use the trusty research mod?

>>536350632
Ragha actually has a lot of versatility. But you have to work with the temperature gimmick to make use of it. The Zhayedan are good and all, but you really want your big temp locked mages for the summons.

>>536323895
>>536325678
https://larzm42.github.io/dom6inspector/?page=unit&nation=0&showids=1&showkeys=1&propkeyunit=Poisonres&propcompunit=2&propvalunit=25
almost all undead have 25+ poison resist, only shadow vestals don't. longdead spam is common
only two inanimates do not have 25+ poison resist, the pretender chassis oracle and sacred geyser. inanimates include elementals and illusions (though illusions only have 1 hp)
the paths that can summon such units in combat with relatively little research include fire, water, earth, air (elementals), death (undead) and glamour (illusions). and nature mages have buffs to protect against poison as well as regen buffs
35 poison damage is very good, since it does still affect even 25 poison resist units, and is a huge extra chunk of armornegating damage against those without resist. but counters are common

How is DE for 6? Still same big bloated mess it was back in 5?

>>536352773
Right, but undead enemies aren't an issue to kill they're just an issue to kill en masse. 35 poison damage works very well for dealing with high prot or high HP targets, which undead are typically not. A single target lethal attack will always be countered by spam of course.

>>536352857
I downloaded it and as soon as I mounted the mod it took 30 frames away from me in the menu alone, opened up the tendie screen only to see 10 different shitty sprites likely just imported pngs, 20 point cost rainbow humans and absurd blesses then I deleted the mod. Bloatware.

bird and his harem of fluffers

>>536353936
Ermor, your advance and cast spells mages?

bird's secret sauce

>>536318997
Storm flight Zhayedan has won me many games.

>>536353936
This is the first time I've seen a bird pretender do well

>>536349365
demian by hesse

>>536349365
Lyonnesse

>>536359069
anons reading lyonnesse helps to manifest crannog ys, thank you for your service

>>536349365
The Idhun Chronicles, a teen fantasy novel from my youth, but in German, to practice the language.

>>536354029
This is the game with super fast research. They're busy researching other tools.
I'll admit I didn't expect the parrot to tank so many lances, though. I got it down to 1 HP before, but guess it's got an extra buff or two now

>>536353218
good arguments

the black hunters with riders are better off than the hunter spiders without riders, since the black hunters have two damaging attacks per square ignoring the once-per-battle lance charge

for the hunter spiders, they might need an average of 2-3 attacks per soulless, due to fangs dealing piercing damage and soulless being piercing damage resistant. closer to average of 2 attacks if +3 strength from larger bless
against both, they can use web
slow grind
they can be complemented by archers with flaming arrows, or priests

wights would suffer from web

against ethereal undead, the hunter spiders should perform poorly. does web work against ethereal or spiritform?
again, priests and flaming missile archers can be used

all the conjuration 5 elementals should do well against the hunter spiders, especially earth elementals, their strength is too high for web, and they have reconstruction

>A single target lethal attack will always be countered by spam of course.
true, but the presence or absence of magical weapon attribute, and the sight attributes, can make a large difference in some cases. hunter spiders have darkvision, and web. muspel giants having mweaps, and niefel giants not, is a major difference between the two

>>536358683
never heard of that. did you put up perpetual storm or cast storm in battle, and then use your pretender or the rare national summons with earth paths to cast earthquake? or just exploit the map movement penalty from perpetual storm? ea pyrene is better suited for that

the sacred troops are all cap-only, and there are only two sacred troop summons, costing astral or death gems, and they don't seem powerful enough or have cost-efficient numbers to carry battles by themselves. and yazads already fly in storms

Does Dominions have a mascot? Blood slave? Doom Horror? Red Pants Man?

>>536370340
For some it's virtue, for some it's the sky harlot, for some it's the pedo doom horror, for some it's scabiel-chan, for some it's the humble sauromancer
For me? Earth snake

>>536370340
Currently its the Golden Elephant Idol.
He's the icon on the .exe

>>536371373
>nerfed in the first patch
prooohbros......

>>536370601
>pedo doom horror
Que?

Xibalbaaaaaaaa