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>RAIDOU Remastered: The Mystery of the Soulless Army Released on Steam and Switch 2:
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>Raidou Remastered World Spotlight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIr3mDfEAlo

>VV has a demo now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Br8Pt11f0

>SMT VV patch 1.0.3 is out. includes 6 new navigators, one new quest and demon

>Atlus 2025 Aspirations Tease Upcoming Announcement from Shin Megami Tensei Team, New Experience from Persona Team:
https://personacentral.com/atlus-2025-aspirations-tease/

>Giten Megami Tensei's partial translation patch for PC-98
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7343/

>Vengeance OST scans
https://imgur.com/a/smtvv-ost-liner-notes-cNN28YJ

>Shin Megami Tensei The Board Game Kickstarter
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>Megaten Fusion Tools [For real fusion autists!]
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>Archive of 3DS Texture Packs
https://reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/1b6v86u/3ds_games_hd_texture_packs_are_gone/

>Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 soundtracks are now available on digital streaming services

>Old neocities site containing info and useful links (no longer updated)
https://smtgen.neocities.org/#original-post

>SMT TTRPG Campaign PDF:
https://files.catbox.moe/rdqfh3.pdf

>20XX rereleased on April 24th for the Nintendo Switch. Steam on May 8th
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3652460/GMODE_20XX/

>真 /smtg/ plays is underway. we're playing an SMT game
Please don’t make me the baker

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>>535712662 (OP)
真 /smtg/ plays anchor post

真 /smtg/ plays page:
>https://rentry.org/shin-smtg-plays
any suggestions for the event or rentry page?

how long should the smt 4 event last?
>https://strawpoll.com/61gD9v11WZw

>worst part?
>anything that could've been better?
>most convincing argument for an alignment in smt 4?
>favorite design?
>favorite music track?

The White Won Edition

>>535712662 (OP)
dog fucker general

>>535713016
>white won
>general still exists
?

>>535713056
There is at least one literal dog fucker that has posted here. Thankfully he's gone.

>>535713216
a new cycle ofc

>>535713056
I want to fuck my dogwife in peace

reposting my thoughts on Strange Journey:
This is 'strangely' fitting considering what I named doomguy. Didn't think about it too much until the ending lol.
Some story thoughts.
How the fuck does new neutral even work? Sorry I've finished this after an all-nighter but
>Arthur stays behind to blow himself up
>Except not really and he stays with (you) to beat the shit of the expanse everytime it pops up
>Nothing really changes between this and old neutral except you decide to stay behind to beat the shit outta the expanse which also feels like getting to new neutral kinda iffy. this feels more like an alternate ending then a "bonus ending".
>How the heck can you live eternally to beat the shit of the expanse? I assume you're still human but the ending is the seventh iteration? How long does it take between the conceptions? Like what, the conception gets kicked down the road for a week so like every week you just have to beat the everloving shit out of it?

I must be missing something since this feels kinda lame compared to old neutral and old neutral was meh. I mean it's metal as fuck but it just feels like the pieces aren't there to solidify new neutral.

>>535714032
that's illegal

>>535712865
Damn I'm starting late though. I forgot how much of a mood SMT IV is. The Mikado segment is peak atmosphere. Hope I can get neutral in time. I plan to clear Minotaur today.

Considering buying a handheld so I can play DDS on the go. I also want to know how well PortMaster will work with the Gmode games so I can play 20XX in a sort of authentic way.

>kirby air ride direct
>Sakurai made this tweet
I expect nothing.... but

>>535714775
fuck nozomi no not even in a sexual way, she fucking sucks as a character

>>535715189
Danu fucked her up.

>>535715181
Enigma Kirby

>>535715439
Meta Knight

What's his alignment?

>>535715826
Dark-Law

>>535715957
On the outset I would have said the same thing but by the end of it, it seems like he was just using the seven cardinal sins as a way to gain notoriety rather than any actual belief

>>535715181
Does Sakurai even like MegaTen games aside from Persona?

>>535720736
He's said publicly that he considers Ronde a huge inspiration for him

>>535715826
Dark Law.

>>535720971
Well Ronde is an industry defining game after all

>>535720736
He's said he's played smt.

>>535721257
betcha that poser only played nocturne. fucking loser.

>>535712662 (OP)
Asaheeho

>>535712865
>worst part?
Masakados' Shadow, nothing about that DLC adds anything to IV. Not even a cool broken demon because his skills cost a million MP and being a special fusion means you can't even try giving him Serpent of Sheol via Demon Fusion-Lite to use Guardian Eye more than once. Ignoring the DLC, probably Burroughs for me. I get the angle they were trying with an endearing partner keeping you on track and acting as a hint towards neutral, but I found her more annoying and breaking the momentum of scenes semi-regularly.
>anything that could've been better?
The UI isn't bad-bad but definitely has a ton of annoyances. Its painfully slow at normal speed, can't customize skillsets for organization, the map doesn't give you a lot of information, there really isn't a place outside a city for the ship to have an immediate take off location (closest is Toyosu but poison swamp), and not having a "fuse by compendium" really means that fusion calc's your best friend here.
>most convincing argument for an alignment in smt 4?
Even with a grim ending Chaos wins because Walter/Lilith/Lucifer still play so hard into the ideals of Chaos I don't regret the ending I've gotten. It has enough leeway for you to fanfic how you'd be as king, Kenji I am not. Hell Hikaru could be your queen with how much she wanted to jump on you, perhaps she knew how willing humanity can be into dicking crazy and enjoys the benefits of it (got a couple of "suckers" to go punch God's Chariot). The only other alignment in contention's Law (remember it as black-hole into the law "paradise") considering White is just Plagiarized Faggotry (blackhole that somehow doesn't result in law ending) and Neutral brings about IVA.
>favorite design?
For unique, probably Omoikane? Like how he does the living scrolls concept.
>favorite music track?
Infernal Kasumigaseki or the Tokyo Overworld theme. Bonus points for B2 from the Chaos Side concert is also a good facemelter with the solo-intro.

I really like SMT IV relationship between the 3 characters. Feels like they're actually cool with each other. It's been forever since I replayed but I wonder if it'll make a bit more sense seeing Jonathan and Walter see their respective alignment world and still be like "alright, let's fuck shit up!"

>>535722052
They are set in their ideologies before seeing the world of possibility. Johnathan sees what sinners do to a world gifted with a second chance, and Walter sees the weak trying to regain power.

>Senri says she behaves like a wild mountain cat, not a house cat, or a stray cat in her demon hunt
I headcanon that Dazai's Senri said the same thing to him, but he completely forgets and treats her like house cat anyways.

>>535723302
that just makes it seem weird no?

>>535727387
They have moments where they mutter something under their breath with Tayama about humans being weak and Walter with Lilith talking about a world of strength. The world of possibility solidifies everything they believe up to that point, and they are dead set by the time the first split happens.The worlds gives them new reasons, with Blasted Akira showing humans will survive no matter what and Infernal with infernal Akira trying to make a kingdom for the weak when he makes the samurai do everything for him like a coward.

I might seem retarded but
>Samurais are not allowed to go home because they might leak shit about demons I'm assuming.
>nvm it's vacation time, go ahead and go talk to everyone :)
wait huh?

>>535728104
So it's kinda like SJR where they see the parallel worlds and go no fuck that we could do better?
aka chaos becomes (you) as a leader to the chaos and law just fucking nuke every single thing to keep everything clean

Since we're doing SMT4 play, do I watch (anime) /read/watch (movie) RoV if I just want my feet wet and to know who the fuck this Oscar person is?

>>535728104
One thing to note, one of Walter's big takeaways of Infernal Tokyo is fearing he'd end up as Kenji*, someone conceited and wanting to preserve his station rather than a world that's able to change (hopefully for the better).
>*
He mentions this in relation to Jonathan but this more accurately describes Kenji's actions in Infernal Tokyo. A demonoid in Kasumigaseki once you free Shinjuku will mention that part of the reason Kenji might've made the current society is because he knew what a strong willed "Intruder" could do against demons due to his own experience in beating the angels.

Also there is the woman in Ginza who does explore the idea of Strength not just being unga bunga, she got into the area through seduction (and references Lilith having power with guys being wrapped around her finger later on).

>>535715181
I will never forgive soccerguy for fellating Persona 3-5
Not even a fucking Jack Frost spirit bro

>>535714526
You become something like Gore where you use the cosmic fruit to both blow up the schwartzwelt and act as the guardian for humanity that destroys it every time it pops up. Old neutral is much better since it has the implication that humanity has to better itself so it doesn’t destroy the world again, but newtral makes it so that humanity can keep doing the same thing because they can rely on Doomguy to handle the literal end of the world. Inherently devalues the route so they can make the protagonist cooler

Who is your fantasy pick to direct a SMT film?
>George Romero fan reporting in

>>535737585
Hideo Kojima

Our plucky group of rebels instantly got turbo fucked by some schmuck and his pal the entirely trustworthy Quattro Bajeena. My first fusion also resulted in an immediate error and spat out a pretty swole horse demon who can equip axes and gloves for some reason.
The difficulty has shot way up from the absolutely braindead first half of the first game which I very much appreciate.

>>535736231
SJR might have even more dogshit writing than Apocalypse

>>535741840
SJR sadly has the syndrome of adding more bullshit to it and trying to retcon the previous endings, all because atlus wanted to bring Alex in. It’s annoying as hell that remakes of their games always tries to ‘correct’ the previous endings and add bullshit into it that makes the original content seem less cool
>all that effort to defeat the schwartzwelt?
>turns out it’s for naught the future is fucked lol

>>535736231
Does it say you use the cosmic fruit? I don't remember seeing that at all. Hell, wasn't it still said Arthur was going to blow himself up in new neutral. How the fuck do (you) and him even survive on the moon? This shit just makes me ask more questions than really give me anything new.
Why the fuck would Alex even hate you in new neutral? NO! HOW DARE YOU TRY TO SAVE THE WORLD!!! like wtf bitch what do you want me to do?

>>535742493
>>535741840
fuck man it's just stupid because it doesn't even really feel like it's a "new" ending. It's just the same ending except you stay behind to beat the shit out of the expanse everytime it shows up.

>>535744925
Oh no she's hottttttt

so can we agree kaneko's smt1 redesigns fucking stink compared to the original?

>>535744925
>the face she makes when I ask for another disinterested handjob
>>535745702
I like Futsuo’s redesign but futsuko’s is a miss for me

>>535745702
>redesigns
Which ones?

>>535745917
built for hotgluing

>>535745702
Mostly, yeah.

>>535744925
>>535745917
I'm retarded, are these AI?

>>535746284
yep

>>535746284
yes

>>535737585
80s John Carpenter

>>535746324
Is it wrong for me to appreciate them?

SMT but it has newtypes

>>535746486
nah, it's not like anybody is making actual Yuriko figures

I mean some general questions about the SMT games
>What the fuck is going on with the rest of the world in these games? Only SJ really didn't focus on Tokyo for once but it leaves me the question with how many people were on the ships? Seems fucking tiny for this large scale operation they were doing.
>Anyone not a big fan of the whole SMT endings where you win and then gain the power of a god to change the world? I like SMT2's endings where you don't really become god, but you fend the world from the outer influence to do your own thing but you're not purposely forcing people to live your way.
>first question but specifically to SMT V. like they didn't really have to announce it but it REALLY bothers the shit out of me that they referenced other countries bethels but don't even show them or have characters from them. not really a question but more of an annoyance.

>>535745902
ngl heroine after reincarnation design sucks in both styles. I really feel like MC got a huge glowup during the redesign. Everyone else got worse. MC though looks hella cool with his redesign, motherfucker is probably the coolest looking MC in the whole series.

Also STR for HP feels kinda shortlived. I thought it was the opposite where Str attacks were usually HP based but it seems like most MT games it's MP based.

SMTV is basically a glorified gay love story, right?

>>535748436
I think its a system I prefer but perhaps there was a good reason to just stick to MP for everything.

playing through SMT IV and fuck I wish I played this blind and in order. Seeing the little references and callbacks in the beginning is so fucking neat. The early game twist to people must've been so cool. I mean when I played it as a kid I was pretty much whatever but seeing the nods and neat little foreshadowing stuff is some top tier shit.

wait i just realized something, you know generally who everyone else 'reincarnation' is but who the fuck is Isabeau's reincarnated from? they don't really reference a heroine in SMT minus IV.

>>535748102
For the first question, presumably a couple thousand people were on the operation-several dozens for armed personnel, technicians, cooks, etc. You have to remember that the ships the crew were using are military bases on wheels-they’re huge and you had three of them, so presumably there’s a fair number of people for the operation. If I can remember though, on the tail end of the game there were mentions of demons escaping out of the schwartzwelt and the world dealing with its own demon invasion.

For the second, i like the endings that keep you human but you gain power from the entire journey. In dx2, futsuo isn’t a god but rather a counter guardian (someone who pops up when humanity is in trouble), which I find to be super cool. Not big on ascension to godhood but Im all for the protagonists reaching some form of ‘enlightenment.’
>third question
Atlus is an indie game studio pls understand

>>535749436
The reincarnated goddess in IV is the literal who one in your comp.

>>535749660
And to add for the fun of it; the schwartzwelt operation must’ve been a logistical nightmare. Man what I would give to have an SMT 4 Kaneko-esque novel based around planning the entire thing

>>535749660
1. four of them but damn the manga made it sound like 20-30 people each ship and I'm like wtf. The ship did look a little too small for thousands though. I mean I can handwave it or whatever but it feels more like this was the post apocolypse already and this was humanity last stand, i mean it sorta is but you know what i mean.
2. yeah i mean tbf it's like half of mainline makes you a god? so I mean that's still 50/50 I guess.
3. nothing to do with an indie game studio, just why even bring it up if you weren't going to do shit with it IT MAKES ME ASKS QUESTIONS don't make me question myself.
also repeating this question too >>535714526
since I still don't understand how MC is able to live forever and why Alex is even mad at you at neutral. I mean she said why but it's a really REALLY retarded reason.

>>535750063
ISABEAU
ISAAAABEAU ISAAAAAAABEAUUU

>>535750138
wait is there an SMT minus 4 novel or something I'm missing? I thought there's not a lot of side material on 4 which kinda sucks considering it feels like the SMT 2 to a SMT 1 that never got made.

Dickroma

>>535750408
I say a thousand or so collectively between all four ships, which isn’t a whole lot but would make sense given the scale of the ships.
>Alex’s retarded neutral argument
That’s what pisses me off about her-she’s angry that after destroying the first schwartzwelt humanity didn’t learn and created another and wants to stop you because she blames (You) for something out of your control. It’s completely stupid. And I say cosmic fruit for the implications but I haven’t played the game in nearly four years so I don’t remember the nitty gritty. Still, fuck Alex and her retardation.

>>535750570
Kaneko wrote an entire thing for the premise of SMT 4, and I just call it a novel since it’s been stated to be long as hell

>>535746284
First one is possibly a garage kit.
Second one is definitely AI.

>>535751201
.....wait she has a doujin???

>tfw you realize Tao and Yoko are not reincarnated goddesses, they were born/made that way, neither actually die either
>tfw you realize Aogami is basically a reincarnated Susano-o after the previous one died in the war
>even actually comes back to life after being eaten by Tiamat

>>535751535
They're both ai, I made them both
I just put the sprite into the thing lol

>>535751908
Tao dies and is revived in both routes
Both times in proximity to sahori

Is Dancing Girl and No Longer Human worth reading?

>>535751970
Well, it did fool me.

>>535752143
The term is reincarnation, not insta healed by the goddess hijacking your body after a fatal hit.

>>535751840
No lol. Just a single page from a p5 doujin. Isabeau and Asahi get one too
https://files.catbox.moe/vh0nrq.jpeg
https://files.catbox.moe/qd5fgf.jpeg

>>535752832
wtf thanks

>>535752832
what doujin

Also before anyone does the
>Alex doujin when?
She deserves to have the rape tag first and foremost

Since the entire famed race exists shouldn't most SMT protagonists eventually end up as summonable demons themselves in future entries based on the same logic

Sumeire from p5 and smt9 are teh same person desu

>>535754296
How many of them become famous?

>>535748267
>heroine after reincarnation design sucks in both styles
nigga I'm kill you

>>535755669
i hate her hair in the old one and her redesign looks pretty bad. before reincarnation heroine is peak

>>535750408
bumping this, who tf is isabeau reincarnated from? yeah maybe some soldier bumpkin but still it bothers me because walter and jonathan have named reincarnations. even akira and akira's sister are both named reincarnations too.

>>535756231
hee holy fuck bruj

just finished my first playthrough of smtv on creation, gonna do a vengeance run now
should i do a reborn run and just speedrun the story or is it different enough that i should commit to a newborn one and go through all the motions again?

>>535756278
Hell if I know. Maybe she isn’t reincarnated from anyone and is just a rando in all of this

>>535757807
but you literally have to be a reincarnation for the gauntlet on the demonica to work.

SMT1 on SNES or GBA?

>>535757862
Wasn’t it someone who had the blood/was a descendant of the original bearers of the comps?

>>535758190
Never mind on this-I really need to replay the DS games: nanashi was able to get Akira’s gauntlet

>>535746486
you should appreciate pleasant looking AI art the way you appreciate a tasty but greasy slop burger from mcdonalds

>>535758157
personal opinion, try the first hour of both and see which you prefer

>>535758157
ps1. the fuck?

>>535749484
>>535751970
Can you make one for KMT Hecate?

>>535757760
I personally don't enjoy ploughing throw a game with overpowered stats, I'd rather just play the game from the start, but why ask random people on the Internet, do whatever you want
>>535758157
I believe the GBA version added strafing while moving through a dungeon and a hotkey for opening the map? The lack of those made the original so irritating for me.

>>535754296
Fate shit

>>535764684
Sorry, not "added" but rather retained from the PS1 version, as compared to the SNES version. Before someone has an autistic fit about it.

>>535749484
>>535751970
>>535745917
>>535744925
what AI are you using to make these? what prompts?

bumping this: >>718434484
I kinda wanna stick with it to have a more authentic experience but jeez I want to get to something good and not just ooo sparkles and MA wank.

>>535756107
nigga are you telling me you don't like pic related? wtf
isn't "before reincarnation" Heroine literally just a brunette in a robe?

>>535765261
yeah her hair is wack. yes before reincarnation heroine is CUTE as fuck.

>>535758157
SNES.

Anyone have any good megaten tubers except for Marsh?
>Tony4You
he's okay but his content is a little shallow. It's mostly just summaries without much analysis.
>Nyarl
>SimplyDad
meh, they're the mcdonalds (maybe slightly worse) of megaten tubers. All they do is mimick popular opinion without any nuance.
>Nam's Compedium
whiny, insanely whiny. This guy could go outside and the sun in his eyes would piss him off.
Marsh is okay but again he mostly does summaries rather than analysis and sometimes he's a bit normie for my taste and he doesn't go through the background or supplementary material. Like damn I want someone a little bit like Dungeon Chill but for megaten games. Except a bit more indepth and literally covering shit front and back. Like I saw his Maken X video and I was like you fricker when he only played two routes and then went "yep that's it had enough of maken", didn't even go indepth in the story like dang bro you know my ass i ain't playing it so you tell me how the story is.

>>535712865
remember to vote on the poll it ends in 3 hours

I wish I could erase my memory of reading that post

>>535764667
Where’s that one illustration of her by Obayo?

My mind thought it said "SMT Vengeance is getting new DLC" at first glance and I was so scared because it means that we have to deal with annoying Vfags for another 5-7 months

>>535768394
I'd be more scared of Dr. Eggman VV dlc.

why doesn't /v/ like talking about SMT?

>>535771519
SMT is too normalfag now and most of the community has been invaded by teenagers that came from the Persona fandom or are into tumblr stuff like Deltarune

>>535771519
i have seen like 5 threads today about smt in v tho

>>535773768
I saw only one in the past like 4 weeks.

>>535773816
there is two threads right now up and there was a smt3 thread one hour ago

>>535774223
III is not V.

>>535774638
we were talking about smt threads

>>535775202
Oh, I checked the threads I think you mean. One is only 4 replies and looks AI generated. The other is a off topic femboy thread with no smt discussion.

>>535775356
What's AI generated about THAT?! you freaking prick. I'm genuinely asking and I can't get a solid reply.

>>535775436
You mean the one posting about Isabeau's obscure manga taste? Why don't you make a /a/ thread, you retard?

Best Anime and OVAs for Strange Journey's feel? I want something raw about a military man dropped into the middle of the heat of battle and having to survive as the operation goes to shit. Something like I guess Edge of Tomorrow.

>>535775519
/a/ sucks even worse than /v/. we need a manga board also their rules are so semantics. almost every thread on there is a general and if you post something else related apparently it's a recommendation thread and needs to be removed.

also
>obscure

>>535775356
the femboy threads counts as a smt thread

>>535775643
Tennis manga is obscure because it's boring.

>>535777882
Holy shit. He's actually blue in Ronde.

>>535771519
V's existence redefined the fanbase.

Mido vs Friday vs Victor vs Sophia?

So I'm playing SMTV Vengance and my only fear right now is that they imply that YHVH's Knowledge was Jesus Christ. If they do that the game would reach trashy levels that I didn't think would have been possible (and my expression will be picrel). It would also be extremely stupid especially after they implied Mastema is from the Bethel of Israel.
Nevermind that the way demons work in it feels extremely situational (oh, they can die, but they can revive! how? lol) so I am still not fully sold on Nahobinos as a concept.
The rest of the story is nice but it's really one of those things where if you start thinking about it it just becomes stupid.
>>535779115
Victor in Raidou is the most fun and the fusion animation is sick.

Why nobody draw Kaido summoning Labubu yet?
Or better, Labubu strangling Keisuke.

>>535779956
Luckily the writers have not done that, and it’s one of the saving graces

>>535779956
They don't do that

>>535779956
YHVH never lost his knowledge and they tell you this at the beginning.

>>535712662 (OP)
How would YOU deal with a Angel encounter in the demon apo?

>>535780906
The same way Dazai did, goon and stutter.

>>535780906
She joins me to turn me into a lawfag but turns Fallen after she falls in love with me and we consummated the marriage, with her wings turning black and her shackles destroyed as we embrace in our sinful love

>>535780713
Well he died so he lost it.

>>535781589
That's not how it happened at all. Play more of the game if it doesn't make sense to you.

>>535781663
Yeah but if he is dead it's not like his Knowledge went anywhere aside from dying with him.

>>535779985
lolis and hags
erotic!

>>535782201
If I told you what happened it would be a spoiler. Secondly if you thought a human has his knowledge since the beginning of the game, you didn't read it remember the beginning narration at all. He never lost his knowledge.

>>535782372
>you thought a human has his knowledge since the beginning of the game, you didn't read it
No, humans gained knowledge after YHVH split other gods from their own knowledge

he was a complete being that has never been split from his own knowledge so idk why I thought he'd have his own human
mayne i just fear the nth japanesism in these games

>>535782275
Toki is the only token loli but isabeau and nozomi are 18 and 19 respectively

>>535754296
This happened in if, but they were the Fiend race

>>535775540
Maybe not quite what you're looking for but Magnetic Rose.

>>535779115
Barong did this

I am YHVH's knowledge, AMA

>>535798049
cut or uncut

>>535779985
Isabeau's sleeper bod...

>>535788753
Gross old hags
Erotic!

>>535712865
the poll ended and it's been decided the event will run for 3 weeks.
it ends the 26th at 12 am est.

>>535778313
V was the /v/ game of the year. Smtg discord is the one that soured all discussion about SMT with their insane rants

>>535764667
>>535765018
Sorry for the late response fellas I just woke up
https://lmarena.ai/?chat-modality=image
Prompt "Create a PVC figure model of this character. The model stays on a base and a shelf in a room."

>>535804087
BAAKRICHAUD FUCK THERE'S ONLY LIKE 4 GUYS PLAYING THIS GAME NOW I definitely won't be able to finish this in 5 days

Randomness in negotiations is fucking retarded

>>535796370
tbf never watched this film so I'll give it a watch. thanks! honestly im surprised nobody replied to me with Gantz even though im sorta half mixed if it counts since I do want more of the military aspect to it compared to the "holy fuck we're fucked" thing. your thing is a lot more fitting though.

Gamescom in a few hours. Any news?

>>535665637
I think as games they're mostly good but the stories tend to be pretty samey and trashy yeah
>dude, duuuude, doooood what if good was bad and bad was good
>let's make this the "twist" for every fucking game in our mainline series
No, you fucking Japs. You can only do "what if god was bad" so many times and pretend it's deep or something
No wonder people latched onto Persona the way they did because at least they did something completley different, well, until P5 anyway
If only had DevSum had the same luck...

>>535712865
>>worst part?
Getting Neutral
>>anything that could've been better?
Walter's reason for being a Chaosfag
>"durr i'm a fisherman who is afraid of fish. is that demon pussy? billions must die NOW"
At least make him oppressed like a former slave or some shit
Oh and getting Neutral
>>most convincing argument for an alignment in smt 4?
Neutral is objectively the best result for both Mikado and Tokyo maybe except you don't get rid of all the demons in Tokyo. Chaos and Law are, as usual, retarded and too extreme respectively
>>favorite design?
From IV specifically? Idk. Minotaur is pretty cool, Burroughs is hot and Isabeau is cute
>>favorite music track?
Can't choose, the soundtrack is just amazing

>>535812886
Only hope for news is an actual nintendo direct. Gamescom will have nothing.

>>535814059
erm persona 6 and soul hackers 3, chuddy

>nintendo direct
MORE PORTS YAY! :D
no seriously is this what nintendo fans want?

>>535815495
Nintendofags have been port begging since the Wii. It's more than that the switch delivers on ports heavily, especially for indies, where for many people it's a cheaper alternative to PC gaming for families.

>>535815495
ports of good nintendo games > modern slop on other platforms

>>535765985
Larue is ugly as sin but makes fantastic deep lore videos when he gets off his black ass. The videos about the TRPGs are goated - up there with marsh vs last bible for liminality

>>535775540
watch the blam movie

>>535779115
mido and burroughs

>>535821016
I'll give a look. I'm a little disappointed with Tony4You since I thought his alignment video would be neat but all he did was summarize the endings and go so this ending rules or sucks. now here's a girl talking about why catholic/christianity is evil in japan. But damn Nyarly, SimplyDad, and Nam are whiny as fuck. How the hell do they have a fanbase? It's just constant OLD GOOD NEW BAD. Even SnickitySlice I liked his DQ videos but they seem so freaking nitpicky over certain stuff that yeah maybe thing is a "lesser" experience but there are also some neat stuff and changed additions.

>simplydad
damn that guy is still around? you can find people shitting on him for nearly a decade lol

>>535826230
flynn will never get to motorboat those puppies

>>535826540
but imagine if he could

>>535826391
I can't defend him even as a IVfag

>>535804878
>V was the /v/ game of the year
That was Endwalker and Lost Judgment, retarded Vfag.

>>535804878
Is the /smtg/cord in the room with us right now?

>>535826981
never 4get

https://gamebanana.com/mods/443748
this mod is kinda fire

>>535804932
I finally got this to work and it made Zombie Chan into nice figure

>>535826391
Simplydad is practically non-existent nowadays since he can coast off the money LS Mark makes. The last time he did anything Megaten related was him uploading a video about how vanilla SMT V was completely dogshit. Which he wasn't wrong, since the game is legitimately flawed and he brought up many good points. But it didn't matter when he had a obnoxious accent and used cringy slang.

Should we have an SMT set in a different time period? Ancient Japan SMT?

>>535827487
I wish I saved more hos

>>535828643
ehh, part of the appeal to me is the mix-mash of modern technology with ancient stories and figures come to life, demon summoning wouldn't be the same without the comp.

>>535826981
I joked that I would kms if it ever went down and to be fair I did attempt in late 2023 but I think that was actually before it was kill.

>>535828830
It would be neat though. Feudal Era SMT with Sword Fusions or Far Future SMT (not post apocolypse) in space colonies.

>>535828915
>to be fair I did attempt in late 2023
anon, i hope you don't try again because this place wouldn't be the same without any of you knuckleheads

SMT IV is such cinematic kino.
>Exact same music as the Mikado Introduction plays when SMT IV really begins as soon as you see Tokyo for the first time.

What made them dial the fuck back in the kino for V?

>>535821319
I'd like to see a tuber who goes over the game mechanics more so than the lore. This is the spells demon learned in X game, this time they appeared as a boss. That kind of thing

>>535830437
lack of kaneko? Maybe the high production value lead to more design by committee instead of visionary design? Maybe its because SMT5 isnt a spiritual sucessor to last bible?

>>535829997
My doc fucked up my meds and caused me to spiral, nbd I'm better now (except for the crippling addiction but w/e)

>is robot Susano-o
>strongest version of him to exist in any game
>gets two wives (won the MC bowl)
>killed multiple snakes
>protected his partner unlike his inferior brother (who is even forced to admit he's inferior for this reason)
>ruler of all creation in his world alongside his wife (male) in most endings
>gets to enjoy living as a human alongside a human, emotions and all, which many demons have dreamed of in the past and never achieved
>beloved instantly by most if not all Japanese women that played V to the point where they pilgrimage to Susano-o shrine sites irl for him

Is he the hardest winning character in any megaten game?

>>535831429
It's just weird, I think and SMT IV A are probably the most safest and least inspired SMT games but at least IV A had some neat direction still but it definitely had less of that mystical take the other games had. V had none of that. It's literally the Metaphor Refantazio of SMT games.

>>535832173
Atlus can make some very impressive triple a games but their triple a games are held back by being triple a. They work better with limitations and on old tech.

>>535831590
Oh and I forgot
>P5 mangaka so in love with him she wanted to include him in the SMT 30th anniversary drawing but there was no room for him
>still released him as his own separate illustration
>drew him sexually dominating for Atlus's 30th anniversary instead

He's too powerful

>>535832485
It's a little depressing because while SMT IV looks gorgeous. I do kinda want to see if as a PS3 game instead. I think V looks really good too but I just think everything else story related took a HUGE dip.
Gameplay is kinda a mixed bag for me in V. It feels a lot cleaner and no fun gimmicks like "Smirk" but that leaves the gameplay a little sanitized. I mean tbf most SMT games just turn into unga bunga physical/almighty/weakness spam but I do want some spice except for "LIMIT BREAK BAR FULL: MAX CRIT SPAM AHHH"

>>535832173
>It's literally the Metaphor Refantazio of SMT games.
That's a insult to Metaphor. SMT V is the Final Fantasy XV or Kingdom Hearts 3 of SMT. People waited years for this game, only to be greeted with a half-baked entry that's filled with bizarre gameplay mechanics or changes that ruins pre-existing gameplay elements, while having an atrocious story.

>>535831590
>>535832845
Because narrative wise speaking, SMTV is superior to most other games.

>>535828576
Sauce for that Nuwa thing?

>>535833440
True but it lacks in the world building department. Not bad just needs more fleshing out. V with IV's level of world building would have been pretty amazing. Actually, one game I wish had more world building was SMTII now that I think about it. It also had a really interesting setting I wish got more. Mutant life more than anything.

>>535833403
I disagree. XV was incomplete. KH3 had bad game design. I stand by the Metaphor comparison because both games are HELLA fucking safe and felt more like "The Best Hits" without any much pop the other SMT games had.

Is this the metaphor general?

>>535834139
No, most anons hate it here

>>535834278
I mean it was alright. I don't know if I would give it a 7/10 or 8/10. It just felt so freaking safe. Louis losing to his humanity was so fucking stupid it makes me so fucking mad holy fuck.

>>535834278
Those anons only hate it because they're desperately trying to bring back the old "SMT vs Persona" days of the late 2000s to mid 2010s since SMT has recently became Persona-lite thanks to V

>>535835740
>SMT has become persona-lite
That's just a shadow take. Persona and SMT are the same.

I finally AI generated my wife and my destiny is complete.

Safe is the is new woke.

>>535837454
What would you describe it then?

>>535837454
>new
Woke has always been about embracing "safe" opinions. Shin Megami Tensei

>>535837902
Describe what?

>>535838052
Safe?

>>535834697
what made louis' ending stupid? i thought it was both fitting and oddly cool how dead set he was on finishing his goal that he still pursued it even while insane as a human

>>535838413
Imagine you're playing SMT SJ and Jimineez and Zelenin become completely curezeee (i mean they SORTA are but that's not the point) after their transformation to the point it makes their alignment and their choices completely stupid. Having Louis play you as a sane human would've been a better call then LOL SEE HE CANT HANDLE HUMANITYS POWER. Just my food thoughts.

>>535838285
A return to form, comforting, a home waiting for you, something you can rely on.

>>535838985
>return to form
I can never read this phrase without associating it with disingenuous game journalists anymore.

>>535838707
he couldn't handle his own anxiety/weakness despite trying to cull the weak.

>>535833403
SMT V is the FF V of SMT. As in it has the best gameplay by miles.

>>535843085
didn't recognize Dante at first

>>535843085
Why is Vergil naked?

>>535842123
exactly i hate shit like that.

>>535845319
fair enough

>>535844860
Helps him stay motivated.

how would you like a space SMT

>>535851768
demon spaceships

>>535851768
Event Horizon

>>535852147
wait why didn't you freaker recommended this to me when I asked for SJ recs. this is kinda what I'm looking for.

>>535851768
Most space RPG can't handle the scale of space and I absolutely don't trust Atlus on that point.
The mainstream audience is not particulary good with scifi settings either, there's a reason why many popular "scifi" works are actually science fantasy, though that point is kind of moot if you're going to add demons in the first place.

>>535852448
because SJ isn't set in space?
Here's another one-off SJ rec: Day of the Dead 1985

>>535852448
I wouldn't call it that similar. Also a lot of people think it's bad but I think it's entertaining enough.

>>535852689
>>535852820
I mean sure sorta but also it ends with (you) on the moon. SJ is pretty close to being spacey dacey. Magnetic Rose is definitely pretty good so far. haven't finished it I'm early on but it's definitely giving that VERY strange feeling I'm looking for haha

>>535852586
lame

JoJo's STRANGE JOURNEY

>>535852820
>>535852820
>Also a lot of people think it's bad but I think it's entertaining enough.
I wouldn't call it bad but it's kind of mid.
Nowadays, it's mostly remembered for being a good depiction of the Warp from 40k.

>Sekiro Anime
Nocturne by Science Saru when?

>>535853604
Whatever happened to that rumored netflix and Atlus collab? Hopefully it got canned.

>>535853902
I mention it several times but it is actually fucking hilarious how P5 and DeSu2 anime bombed and Atlus went NEVER AGAIN. Imagine if those anime were actually good. What would we have Persona 5 Royal Anime? SMT V anime?

>>535853902
sauce on rumor?

>>535853136
I like the set design, especially the warp engine looking like one of those biblically accurate angels

>>535854294
From what I remembered it was that girl that has dumped several Atlus leaks in the past.

I want PM Koshimizu to fill my holes

Just like the SMT1 remake and FF9 remake right

>>535854393
mystic isn't a girl if that's who you mean... aka midori.

>>535854393
>girl
didn't that turn out to be some LARPing Persona nigger that was already #canceled by the gay ass fandom

>>535853902
it was a mobile game and not a show

I was looking at reddit for SMT like anime reqs and what do you think of these
>Puella Magi Madoka Magica
>Devilman:CryBaby
>Chainsaw Man
>Grimgar: Ashes and Illusion
>Overlord
>Psycho-Pass
>Tanya the Evil
>Iron-Blooded Orphans

>>535854708
>Jojo
>JJK
>Netflix Castlevania
>Netflix Devil May Cry
>Shinsekai Yori
>Fate Stay Night

>>535854876
Boku no Pico

>>535854708
I can't even imagine why Madoka would be there beyond it being inspired by Faust.
Devilman is obvious.

>>535854708
>Reddit

But I'd strongly recommend reading the original Devilman if you haven't, it's very blatantly inspiration for a lot of SMT. And it's blatantly inspiration for fucking everything occult coded in Japan.

>>535855078
Already read it. The OVA was a neat watch too (not netflix). Wish there was more like it but nobody really does "World is slowly going to shit, it goes to shit, total warfare"

>>535855006
I would say Madoka at least gets the tone right with shitty higher beings treating humans as cattle and the Faust homages everywhere. The way the cast falls apart is very allignment heroes too

Apocalypse of Devilman OVA is peak SMT, love that shit

Okay maybe I will pick up Paprika. I liked this and Perfect Blue but I haven't actually seen of Satoshi's Kon other stuff.

SMTV won't get an anime but it will get a very gay manga.

>>535856823
the gag manga for the mainline games are always fucking hilarious. they honestly never missed. same with p3 and p4 gag manga

>>535854876
>Netflix Castlevania
>Netflix Devil May Cry
This can't be real, right?
Play the games instead of those cartoons that shit all over the actual fanbase and the original lore.

Is Detroit Metal City SMTpilled?

>>535854708
If we're strictly talking about anime and not manga/LN, I'd advise you the following:
>Madoka
Good, though the wide artstyle and magical girls can be off-putting to some.
>Devilman
Haven't watched crybaby but the OG is definitely worth a watch.
>Grimgar
It was okay, though I don't remember much of it.
>CSM
The anime cover literally the worst part of the story and was directed by a newbie convinced that the anime couldn't fail because it was too big to fail, only to get BTFO by the one anime no one expected to succeed that was made on a budget.
Read the manga if you can and don't bother with part 2.
>Overlord
Can't say about the original works but the Overlord anime has terrible pacing.
>Psycho-Pass
Has a decent first season, the writer change after that and the writing take a nosedive as a consequence because the new ones think that just being edgy would be enough to carry the show.
>Tanya
The anime skip a lot of shit and has a questionable artstyle, read the kino manga if you can.
>Iron-Blooded Orphans
Haven't watched it.

>>535855764
Peak visual and audio but weak story.

>>535859206
Not really, the joke get old faster than I thought and the author also realized that and ended the manga before it get really obnoxious.

>>535860173
holy gayass. i bet you watch some gay shit like Blame and Spriggans

Watch a real anime like Naruto or DBZ you fake ass posers

how about you watch cory in the house like a real anime fan

you guys seen the new koth revival desu the first episode was kinda meh but i love the rest

Will you play his new game?

>>535864714
no and I didn't play his game either

>>535851768
like Gundam where it's a massive war between multiple factions

Never watched but I'm pretty sure Doomed Megalopolis is SMTcore solely for being an OVA adaptation of Teito Monogatari.
Basically any late 80s and early 90s schlocky occult themed anime OVA is bound to feel like MegaTen.

Zommer devil summoners....

>>535867512
moejima

>>535867386
The live action is better.

Black Magic M-66 is another OVA I never watched but it deals with occult and technology in a cyberpunk future.
The original manga's art for the huge robot girl is really hot but in the anime they made her more normal.

Other OVAs with similar themes and artstyles I never watched: Demon City Shinjuku, Maou Dante, Wicked City.

Then there is any anime adaptation of the works by Shigeru Mizuki. So Akuma-kun and GeGeGe No Kitaro lol.
Atlus used Mizuki's books on yokai and world folklore as a major source for their demons in the past. They did it so much that there's many fan blog posts about it.

>>535867386
>find out there's a manga heavily inspired by this
>it's gay as fuck and renowned as one of the first if it's kind in japan

SMT is homosexual, even down to the roots that inspired it. You can not escape it.

>>535870987
waow is this rael?

>>535870978
You wish, troon.

>>535871381
Denial won't save you.

>>535813917
>Walter's reason for going Chaos
I mean, the whole caste and being labelled bullshit is understandable, the feeling of powerlessness and believing that the world is unjust, it is an understandable motive as to why you would go Chaos, you want to tear such a system down so others do not need to feel burdened by pre-determined roles off of caste or status.

>>535869423
I know the manga you are talking about. It starts with a bunch of highschool boys who want to kidnap a girl to do their bidding through occult powers or somesuch. It's 'gay' moreso because there are some obsessive evil gay relationships in it but otherwise it's not like yaoi or something.
I think it was made after MegaTen but it would definitely file under MegaTen adjacent. I can't for the life or me remember its name though.

>>535873218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yISxwIw5ZI

>>535873218
Disturbing...

>>535873392
>>535869423
clamp, right?

>>535868447
You ever watched Genocyber? It's another cyberpunk OVA, fun stuff. It also deals with some psychic metaphysical concepts that flew way over my head, but maybe won't over yours.

>>535872259
It's save me from getting AIDS

>>535873392
litchi light club? :/
not really related. great mangaka though

>>535876163
No, it's from a male author. I also finally remembered the name: Litchi Hikari Club.
It's a horror manga and unlike Clamp's works I doubt it's really romantic, it strikes me more as the kind of work that happens to have an obsessive, creepy homosexual relationship in its story.

The author, Usamaru Furuya, seems to have made various horror manga about the occult and he makes a lot of surreal works in general.
He drew a Raidou picture for Atlus in June. It wouldn't surprise me if Atlus' devs always enjoyed his work.

>>535872494
How much would Atlus charge?

Do you like MCs with skills, or do you like Demon Whisper/Demon Essences? If the latter, which one?

>>535879671
*without skills

>>535879671
I think doomguy does it best
Having a few skills that are tied to equippable weapons
I don't really think MC should ever be doing agidynes but if they instead do , let's say, BLAZING SLASH (agidyne in all but name) that comes attached to a sword fusion it comes off better to me
Something as minor as the presentation of something like this means the world in terms of the mood/atmosphere of the game and how cool I think the MC is

>>535872494
This is acceptable gay shit.

>>535878262
One million dollars.

Guess the demon.

>>535883658
Garuda

>>535872618
My take from the post (Not OP) was more that it wasn't really shown how Walter himself was targeted by the system, more just general light-chaos autism that could be anyone (now Walter does heavily lean into the optimistic/compassionate side of a world being shaped by the strong).

>>535879671
I think its more the implementation and tone the game goes for, latter works better for a high-powered/power-fantasy esque MC while tying it to weapons for a non demon-source like in SJ's good for a more grounded MC.

>>535883942
Not the sprite I used.

>>535884782
Well you asked me to guess nigger

>>535884960
I thought we were having fun...

>>535885308
>fun

>>535877969
mother fucker
YOU remembered the name???????????
I just told you you freaking bitch

going through our smtg plays but I'm curious, can you go to kinshicho or any of the locations from IV A? I know Nozomi carries over but does anybody or anything else have a reference?

Mithra's mythology is so impactful but as a demon he doesn't do that much in these games.

>>535885915
I only saw your post after posting mine as I had auto update turned off

>>535891309
many such cases

>>535872494
That would actually be nice merch. Unironically. Wouldn't even mind it being gay. All it needs is a little extra environmental rubble on the sides or some grass.

>>535893760
name 12

>>535891309
He has the best negotiation skill in Nocturne. That amounts to something right?

>>535902964
I can't remember most of the negotiation skills off the top of my head. But the aliment on refusal is great.

>>535876595
Don't listen to this anon. Genocyber is known for being nothing more but a lame gore-fest with awful writing and characters. It's so bad that over in Japan, it's considered to be one of the worst animes of all time.

>>535871381
>Newfags not knowing that SMT has always treated trans people with respect, even back in the 90s
lol

>>535904931
I thought it was pretty funu, sorry it's not highbrow enough for you.

>>535905149
not your series, homo

>not your series, homo
>He says as two men have gratuitous metaphorical gay fusion sex in the latest installment of the series.

Have some demon sex to cleanse the darkness in your soul
https://files.catbox.moe/ikw4qk.JPG

>>535908565
That's a big demon

>>535905149
I wouldn't say that. It didn't shit on them or something but it always said that trannies will never be women no matter how much they try.
Kaneko even said that transvestite from DebiSama is a man.
It's a very japanese view on troons and one I agree with frankly.

This scares the average SMT fan

>>535909128
ruined

>Majin Tensei 2
>Recruit rank 10 demon
>Suddenly becomes rank 0 and loses all of it's shit
I like the game so far but this is total horseshit.

fellas what does snake milk taste like

>>535910883
it's like that for every demon you recruit if i am remembering it right. if you aren't afraid of losing the demon, which if they die they are removed from your party, you can send them out to deal with a group of enemies. it's almost encouraged to do this with flying enemies, one level is designed around the idea of sending flying demons to take out ranged units that will snipe you from 10+ tiles away. they aren't as good as most types since they can't equip good armors/weapons. demon ranks are strong where after a while some stat with them will become busted due to the scaling for each rank and how it works. it depends on the race for what scaling they have

Insane how Kirby and Bubsy are in a better state than SMT right now

>>535909627
Are you gay by any chance

>>535913616
Even SMTV is better than any Kirby game (Bubsy 2 mogs tho)

>>535913010
I want to straggle and stab whoever made this image and watch them slowly bleed to death.

>>535914382
where's nanashi

considering how many anons here lusted after nuwa back when smt v was new, you would expect those big breasted nuwa pics to get tons of (you)s lol

or did nuwa become old news due to yoko and the quadistu

Me outside Destiny Land when I finally get my best friend back. I never fused you.

>thinking inflating tits is good enough
Sorry but I like my demon breasts to be anatomically proportional

>>535915867
The thighs were her main draw desu

>>535917103
Are excellent thighs/legs a commonly shared snake trait?

>>535916251
So if you see a Lilim with gigantic breasts, you wouldn't go batshit crazy and try to touch them?

>>535918126
NTA but I usually don't try to grope my PC screen.

>>535917525
Well YHVH had to remove them to prevent humanity from following snakes instead of Him...

>>535918126
No

>>535853116
Strange Journey 2 featuring Jojo

>>535918689
>Lucifer's final form makes his legs sleeker and more impressive
YHVH is just jealous he'll never have amazing legs like snakes do. Haha legless loser. Fat head, no legs god.

>>535919667
each jojo's alignment?

>>535930416
i fight Asura solo so I can rip and tear his huge guts while berserked and because it's easier than dealing with berserked allies

>>535915867
I still think she's hot

I don't really like how Burroughs infodumps everything whenever you see something new. It would've been neat to see the samurais actually look at an elevator and go wtf are we suppose to do here or wtf is a gun and learn how to use it but Burroughs literally just says everything and anything they need.

>>535851768
its called LANCER, a spin off of kill 6 billion demons, which is a spin off of homestuck, which is a spin off of mspaint adventures

>>535909128
Peak. Twin Peaks. BOOBA

>>535914494
Go to bed, Dazai

>>535915867
Nuwa is for Yakumo. Yoko and the Qadistu are for (You)

God's servants have strange taste in neighbors

>>535949989
Too bad condoms break this fight

Half naked CATS actress won't fuck the Beano

>>535950337
>GILF wants well built men, not malnourished twinks
Makes sense, she eats men's life energy, so naturally she'd want a full meal and not an appetizer.

>>535951154
She'll strike Aogami when SHOUNEN isn't looking.

i mean i'll play IV A right after but I'm genuinely curious if anything or anyone gets referenced in IV other than Nozomi. Like can you go to the areas that are in IV A in IV? Like Kinshicho and stuff like that?

I hate how people always try to recontextualize law and chaos in SMT games. "Oh it's law because you're using cosmic powers to force a system in place", "oh it's chaos because you're going against the system" mother fucker it's like law and chaos just get flipped on its head almost every iteration. law stuff is actually chaos stuff, chaos stuff is actually law stuff like jesus christ this should be the ONE thing that's consistent.

>>535952023
They recontextualize it because the multiverse crap makes them want to have a link between all the games when most of them should be taken in their own context (the exceptions being direct sequels or things like If, Devil Summoner or Raidou which are built as what if scenarios).

Frankly the devs constantly change things around or play with alignments because they fear not treading familiar grounds. Even putting aside how SMTV/V was made to be a direct sequel to the TDE, Yuzuru and Dazai are heavily inspired by the Law and Chaos hero respectively. Dazai even gets the Super Saiyan spiky haircut after getting a taste of power and Yuzuru's struggle centers around protecting his sister (because you can't have confirmed couples in this day and age; had Yuzuru wanted to protect his girlfriend like his inspiration it would have made him unavailable for possible fans). And that's without getting how in the CoV Tao and Yoko are also another take on the Law and Chaos hero, just female instead.
They shift alignments around and turn them on their head on purpose because it all goes back to being familiar while also making it new enough to not stagnate. I think all their experimental and daring titles in the early 2000s made them fear actual change way too much (and yes even Strange Journey was too daring, it played alignments straight but it wasn't set in Tokyo and had a fully adult cast).

>>535952998
i'm not even talking about the devs, i'm talking about people talking about the games. tf do you mean reason of yosuga is law? tf do you mean persona 5 thieves were law? what the frick is even law

>>535951739
Apocalypse takes place in an alternate version of IV's neutral route so you're going to see some familiar faces

>>535953271
Less that more if I'm playing IV, do I see some neat foreshadowing or not really? What happens to the locations that are only IV A? They're still on the map but not enterable?

>>535949989
hahaha get it
he's talking about COCKS
the joke is that he's a giant dick that shoots CUM

>>535953231
Yeah don't you know yosuga is le law because angels follow the strongest? Checkmate atheists.
Also the Phantom Thieves are le law because they force people to change their ways through brainwashing. Umm obviously that's something based chaos wouod never, ever do.

>>535954430
Could you explain further? I don't understand.

>>535954832
yosuga is law because apparently all the reasons are law because you're using the power of the world to brainwash everyone. like i hate it man people are using semantics to describe law and chaos and i freaking hate it

>>535954873
i'm afraid you'll have to discover further meaning yourself, young man

>>535954430
>*generic 90's sitcom laugh track*

>>535954891
reminds me of how many years ago I saw a guy insist at all costs that Law is totally fascism in every single game ever.

>>535955148
That person was probably a redditor

>>535954430
he's literally me

>>535955148
tbf man i should really play the spinoffs but it's not like mainline has a good track record of "good" law endings.

>>535955772
I agree but Fascism is a word that online intellectuals will throw around to sound deep and invested in politics

>>535954891
You can blame the labyrinth cutscenes for that.

I just like LNC when it's a simple "take this side or take this side or neither" not this whole BECOME GOD AND CREATE A NEW WORLD ORDER!!! SMT 2 probably had the best variation (although not a big fan of how Neutral and Chaos are pretty similar). I wonder how the Majin Tensei games are

>>535955772
>>535955148
Fascism is a word I avoid specifically to not sound dumb, however

>Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader
Drumpf
>centralized autocracy, militarism
Yep, USA, vote blue or red, both are a vote for capitalism.
>forcible suppression of opposition
It's illegal to be communist in the USA (Communist Control Act of 1954)
>belief in a natural social hierarchy
Yep, "just world fallacy" is a big genuine belief people have in the USA. Anything bad that happens to you is solely because of choices you made, so you deserve it, and anything good that happens to you is solely because of choices you made, as if people exist in a vacuum with no external factors and "the system" can never be at fault.
>subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race
Yep, there's an extreme amount of victimless crimes, even building a shed in your backyard is illegal
>and strong regimentation of society and the economy
Hmmm, maybe not so much on the economy, we let corporations do whatever they want.

I think law in SMT and the USA is fascist.

>>535948910
The Qadistu were for Aogami while they took turns raping him inside Tiamat.

>>535958212
Kill yourself leftoid

>>535958362
Chud's get executed in Yama's sex dungeon.

Fallout x SMT

Sraosha reminds me of a duel masters card

Does SMT 1 or SMT 2 have any of their OSTs with modern instruments? Like redone? I don't know how to explain it.

>>535965342
During the 90s there was a bunch of arranged albums for the SNES/NES games. They use advanced synths the SNES/NES couldn't contain the data for.

>>535965342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTmf-Djwgms

>>535748981
>when I was a kid
You have no idea how good that shit was
I traded in my dead xbox 360 to gamestop that they didn't check because I knew them for a while and got Dragon's crown with fe awakening and smt4
they never brung it up either; just got free money.

>>535905149
there's literally a tranny demon in soul hackers tf
you can look for yourself how the negotiation goes

>>535903338
seduce works like 80% of the time against the roster, most of the demons you face often are male after all.

>>535712865
Aaaand that's a wrap. I got the White ending a couple days ago, and I just finished neutral now. It was really good, I'm glad I finally stuck with it.
You become very powerful in this one, at least as a mage. The only really difficult parts for me were the Hunter Tournaments and the Beelzebub fight. Another thing I noticed is that fusion becomes pretty much irrelevant around level 70. I started buying all of the fusion booster apps late, and there was almost nothing to use it on. It seems like a lot of the late-game fusions are special, require fiends, or both. As a result, I ended up using Sphinx, Cherub, Tzitzimitl, and Quetzalcoatl for a long time.
>worst part?
Probably getting neutral, like >>535813917 said. I do think it's funny that you can be too neutral to get the neutral ending, but the balancing of alignment points and slog of challenge quests makes it a bit painful.
>anything that could've been better?
Johnathan and Walter's reactions to Blasted and Infernal Tokyo. Obviously they can't become neutral reps, but it would have been nice for them to look a bit closer at the shortcomings of their respective ideologies.
>most convincing argument for an alignment in smt 4?
Chaos really had the lead for a while just by virtue of how shit Law looks, but it fell apart all the same.
>favorite design?
Does Masakado at the very end count?
>favorite music track?
Dunno about favorite, but I really like the guitar in Battle C3.

>>535969365
lets see the moveset

>>535966426
sweet
>>535965934
hot giggity

thanks guys you're the best friends a guy could have i really love you guys.

>>535969365
*Jonathan
I knew I typed that too fast
>>535969602
Here they are.

>>535969365
fusion is irrelevant once you get kresnik in a lot of smt games

I do wish Law and Chaos were written less extreme, especially since most of your dialogue choices feels like I'm playing facade or something.
>"I don't trust the church/government that easily"
>"SEE THAT JONATHAN, HE'S SAYING WE SHOULD GET A DIVORCE"
like wtf man they take every single decision you make as a taking sides type thing and while I mean you kinda are it feels like HOLD ON you fuckers let's just think about this logically.

The definition of law and chaos are so fucking stupid anyways.
>Be chaos, live in a world where demons and humans roam.
>Get uber powerful.
>FUCK YOU BITCHES WE LIVE IN A WORLD OF PEACE AND HARMONY NOW IF YOU FUCK SHIT UP ILL FUCKING KILL YOU

>Be Law, live in a world where peace and harmony rules
>get uber powerful.
>FUCK YOU BITCHES WE'RE FREE NOW YOU FUCKING TRY TO WITHHOLD A WORLD ORDER AGAIN ILL FUCKING KILL YOU

>>535972210
>Be neutral, live in a world where you could use demons to better society
>Get uber powerful
>FUCK YOU DEMONS GO BACK TO THE EXPANSE NOW IF YOU COME BACK I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU

>>535972930
Atsuro don't be fucking retarded you dumbass

>>535972210
>we live in peace and harmony now
lol no

>>535972210
that's why Neutral is the best because you simply kill both sides

>>535971543
>Think about this logically
>SMT
Not gonna happen, especially in a game where demonic influence can turn regular ass people into psychos.

>>535973252
True, especially with how easy it was in IV. Imagine cracking open Industrial Society and Its Future and instantly turning into a rodent or tree or something

how do i kill the bitch ass white rider jumping me

>>535974809
bring black rider, black frost and black maria to fuck that bitch ass cracker up

>>535973164
>be neutral, live in a world where humans are free from demons
>get uber powerful
>FUCK YOU BITCHES FOR BULLYING ME NOW IM GOING TO BRING BACK DEMONS TO RID THE WORLD OF YOU FUCKERS AHHH IF YOU STOP ME ILL FUCKING KILL YOU

>>535975164
Hazama was neutral?

>>535974809
punch him until he dies.

>>535977735
I'm gonna punch YOU in the PROSTATE until you DIE but you'd probably like that, huh? Degenerate.

>>535982050
Why are you being so mean to me :(

>>535975389
I guess what I'm getting at is, LNC is never permanent so what's the freaking point.

oh shit that's white ending huh.

Flopdou Demake

>>535986953
should have done a better job

>Burroughs artist hasn't replied back in 2 weeks
At least I didn't pay them yet

Has someone made a list of quests unique to Raidou remake? The Asura one seems fully unique to it and it's so blatant about 199X that it makes me wonder if Fatlus genuinely wants to remake that game or bring it to the west in some way.

>>535990573
That quest is actually just one from raidou 2 without the alignment choice aspect at the end of it
https://youtu.be/uiQ1d3eA8nI

>>535991009
Neat, so which quests got ported from 2?

Raidou is gay.

>>535991009
so game 2 is not getting a remake? thank god

>>535992981
why are you avatarfagging with elementals

>>535975013
>mfw I find out there's a skeleton inside me

>>535993669
>avatarfagging
I'm just posting demons, bro

>>535993669
It's probably Abery-sama

>>535993669
he's the gay elemental

>>535994565
>posts nothing like him
If anything this is the guy who spergs out about PMfag

I want to fill Yuzuru's holes

I want PM Koshimizu to extempt me from taxes.

I want PM Koshimizu to be assassinated live on television

I kissed a demon and I liked it

>anon posts something I don't like
>call him ringoschizo

is it bad that I want to fuck Tiamat

>>535999490
>anon posts that Raidou is gay
>correctly assume it's the schizo who hates Raidou

>>536000304
Poor Gouto-nyan...

>>536000487
>poor

>>536000487
that fucking cat

>>536000304
that pussy is about to get crushed

>>536000559
Well, he likes calico cats though he does not want to admit it

>>536000024
>schizo who hates Raidou
It's not just Raidou. There's at least 3 characterfags I despise, newfag.

>>535985028
Just goes to show that maintaining the status quo is never the way to go when you know it's inevitably gonna blow.

>>536001573
>newfag
Warren...............

did the raidou remaster sell well?

>>536001941
1M+ copies sold

>>536002040
smells like dog

>>536002040
Rape

would be pretty funny if they remade nocturne again...

>>536002848
I fully expect V to be remade again in the future. I doubt they’d be able to remake nocturne again with a secret seventh route when the freedom ending exists
>>536002813
Agreed

elementfag is the worst characterfag

>>536003236
What they should do:
>Be able to smack your friends before they go evil and let them come with you to join the Mannikins to beat the shit of Kagatsuchi, use his power to end the cycle of conceptions and shit, and smack Hikawa for being holier then thou and dragging them back to reality where they chill the fuck out and use the experience from the vortex world to actually enjoy life.

What they're gonna do:
>lols so anyways female demi fiend from an alternate timeline comes in and then she gives you an alternate option to become adam and eve in demon ending.

>>535999990
If anything, she's one of the most comprehensible to lust after.

>>535993669
Just one of his fun new personas.

>>536001780
You wouldn't even know his name was Warren if not for me, faggot.

can we have an asahi commision by mimonel? yes yes I prefer old mimonel too but we can't bring them back.

>>536004740
And who the fuck are you, bitch?

>>536004908
The one who started calling him Warren because I actually looked at the dox information instead of repeating memes like a redditor.

What should I pick up from my backlog after I'm done with SMT IV / SMT IV A replay? I'm thinking of either one more old game or classic game before I touch V for a replay. IV A is that high because friendship route may start stupid but it's also very kino and that's what I most remember about the game. It might dip hard after the replay though.

I was thinking of Raidou or P1 -> P2. Kinda debating on KMT and Soul Hackers too although SH1 is at the bottom of my list. Didn't really like it when I first played it as a teen and don't really think it'll be some revelation when I play it now.

>>536005372
Finish DDS2 dude.

>>536005137
>thinks he's the only one to use his last name
"Newfag" huh?

>>536004506
>the latter prediction
I want to believe atlus wouldn’t do something stupid like this but I can totally see it happening
>>536004892
Who the hell is mimonel

>>536005372
DDS2

>>536005597
I am. You're only doing it now because I started it. You have no soul.

>>536005818
I was here when he was doxxed. You're nothing to me, kid

>>536006038
I'm not someone who takes cock up the ass not fantasizes about it, so that's something.

>>536006346
Little bro can't even proofread his post. Embarrassing.

I think element demons SUCK

>>536007297
based

>>536006658
Okay Shadow, enjoy your AIDS. Try to stay on-topic.

I have so much love in me and I need to give it to demons

>>536005581
>>536005743
my save corrupted when I busted my PC playing Tekken. ;_;
I'll probably do DDS1 + 2 again but fuck man I remember too much to want to replay but I remember too little to just start 2 again

>>535975164
Neutral leads to the existence of persona 5…

>>535958212
Fascism is literally stated to directly be chaos in the fucking games, guess what ideology Mishima had? If you had the brains to figure out for two seconds you would realise that fascism is against globalism, and is pro nations fighting it out for supremacy and pro social Darwinism; all of these things are very, very chaos

Law is closer to communism, if you played the games you would know this

any of you guys prefer the dungeon crawler games?
I can enjoy both crawl and free-roam, but VI better have some damn dungeons.
Do zoomies even like dungeon crawlers?

>>535958212
USA is law in SMT 1 because it’s globalist, it represents a massive force policing and ruling other countries for the sake of peace (law), and it represents western values and western ideas which is one path that Japan can take (which would cause it to lose its individuality, but is associated with modernisation). The internal politics of the USA is irrelevant to SMT, it’s what the USA tries to present itself as on a global stage, and how it relates to Japan. USA being law was just one small example at the start of smt 1

>>536020192
SJ is my favorite for that reason
Luv me blobbers

Element Avatarfag

>>536022046
Cry harder, cocksucker. And stay on topic.

Foul Elementfag

>>536021761
I disagree; I feel SJ is rather weak in which the crew doesn't do much until the climax of the game and DeSu did party split a lot better when it comes to alignment lock. Am I really supposed to give 2 fucks about these nameless crew members making quips on Zelenin vs Jimenez when in DeSu2 the party members were pretty adamant on their worldview and if you were the other way they will leave you. They tell you this early on.
The crew were do nothings for 90 hours and I despised seeing that forma blacksmithing animation for every hour or so of gameplay.
The dungeons are all just another palette swap of hell where Soul Hackers actually had some flavor even when most of it was in a corporate apocalypse or Para-X.
Dungeon crawlers need that element of party banter that put JRPG games on the map that separate from their Wizardry/Ultima roots.
The Spookies were great and I looked forward to seeing them again but I can't say the same for the Scharzwelt victims.

alright haha i was kinda glad to get out of random encounter hell but idk if SMT IV way is any better
>so hard to fucking juke the enemy AI feels like I'm playing fucking FIFA
>oh no i got stuck on a fucking traffic cone again
>enemy gets my back
>just die because lol SMT
i mean fuck man if you're going to force me to go against every demon anyways since you're going to be like this, i'd rather have random encounters again lol

JRPGs need to return to random encounters, fuck zoomers

Here /smtg/. That's a little version of me. I want you to have it.

So are there any mods for the raidou remaster that restore the ps2 version ui?

>>536027090
No, only mods that remove the Raidou renders in the party menu UI

BANDIT BRINGER BANDIT REVOLVER

>>536029220
My demons are a little different

>>536023083
*Demon Co-ops you*

Pascal the dog is here

>>536048368
what the fuck was his problem?

>>536020192
I took a quick break from Raidou Remaster to finish up a game of Wizardry 1 I had abandoned for a few good months. Finally got to kill Werdna (may he rest in peace)

>>536050916
right next to crayon shin-chan and tiktok where we belong...

>>536050916
I'm a fan of stuff all across this chart like Frieren, One Piece, Yu-Gi-Oh, Apothecary Diaries etc, but this chart does prove my point that Harry Potter is shonen for suburban moms.

>>536050916
SMTsisters...

How many characters in SMT have fucked robots?

>>536055062
Technically 3, can argue 4 with artificial insemination for hiroko

>>536056889
That's a larger list than I expected. Is Victor on that list?

Roko's Basilisk demon when?

>SMTV:V
>Triple sukunda
>Never misses
wtf man did they nerf it

>>536066646
A: Theres only 2 layers of buffs and debuffs in V/VV
B: Yes, they're also weaker than previous games in the series to try and make the new magatsuhi mechanics look more appealing by comparison

>>536065873
>first time you summon it you have to fight it
>the longer you took to summon it the stronger it is
>100% compendium completion is near impossible if you save it for last

>>536020192
Modern Atlus is allergic to dungeon crawlers.
There are only fan games left for you.

∀ Megami Tensei when?

have just started playing smt/atlus stuff
did metaphor, p3reload, and just did 2 playthroughs of SMTV, been having a lot of fun so far
smtv kinda felt like it fell apart story wise at the end in both routes, for me, though the gameplay felt nice, i suppose thats a symptom of the end goal in the story being a universe reset macguffin, felt like nothing that happened really mattered
what would you guys suggest i play next? strange journey is piquing my interest for sure

>>536073549
A game that doesn't use the press turn system because the risk of burnout is real.
So SJ would be a good pick, yeah.

>>536073549
strange journey or devil survivor just for the sake of variety

Eirikr finally finished soul hackers 2 and said it was bad and ringo was a boring rehash of the "machine becoming human" arc...
Our response ringobros?

>>535905149
it has treated them with the general attitude towards okama in the 90s japan.

Left is the dragon armour SMT1 hero and heroine but right is not SMT (Its the human MC's from makai saga)

>>536019806
I would point out to light dark axis to justify characteristics shared between alignments but I like VV's framing more on this, that chaos is inherently the ideology of the powerless

Makes me sad Roland didn't get to reincarnate with the rest of the embyron in the ending of DDS2. You could make the arguement he wasn't an "innocent" existence like the embryon since he wasn't an AI forced to carry the sins of essentially a different individual that came before, but at the same time jenna angel did reincarnate and shes far more of a true sinner than roland. Feels bad.
Maybe hes just slightly offscreen lol. Thats my cope.

>>536080451
I forgot that he didn't

>>536065873
What would it's design look like?

Zhong Kui is my favorite Famed, so I'm glad he's becoming more famous with the new Black Myth

>>536081374
All I can imagine is a robot snek

>>536081374
PC display with a cartoon basilisk on it

>>536029220
GO EXCITED

>>536067250
Give it a support-focused benevolent form. If you go past a certain point in the game without summoning it, it will trigger a special fusion accident animation and spawn the malevolent form focused on damage and status effects

>>536065873
>Reddit's Basilisk

Is it worth going through the trouble of downloading Ryujinx just to play SMTV and Tokyo Mirage?

>>536093635
play it on steam

>>536093635
TMS isn't worth playing and base V's story can be experienced in VV with better gameplay.

>>536093635
play smtv vengeance. not base smtv.
tms could be fun as an ironic enjoyment game but idk.
up to you if you care enough to emulate. it takes an hour or two to set everything up

>>536093635
The loading screens are hell when emulating, but it's fine enough.

the only good thing about TMS is the Whooli let's play where they loose their shit over Barry

i wish the nocturne hd remake got the same treatment as the raidou one...

>>536100348
I don't

>>536100348
I wish the colors would look even worse?

>>536100348
What do you mean? Adding a little more story and elements from later parts of the franchise?
I'm not sure if it'd work for Nocturne. Raidou Remastered was worked on by Yamai like the original games were and most of its changes or additions came to be to make it more in line with the rest of the Raidou franchise (which is why the graphics are more colorful and why there is far more extended lore in-game), which btw includes not just the second game but also a novel, a manga, a drama cd and maybe more, I don't know.

Nocturne otoh, its original director isn't at Fatlus anymore, so what would it even add or change? More fanfiction to fill the gaps for the people who are still in deep denial about SMTVV being a sequel to it? Quests? Shitty HD demon models? Beano boss fight?
Doesn't sound very appealing to me.

>game is called metroid fusion
>there's no demon fusion
what the fuck atlus?

>>536101310
>so what would it even add or change?
Female demons sex scenes.

https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Nacht_Kobold
If you go with the typical convention of calling the demon by it's full title (race in front of its name) then this dude is literally Night-Night Kobold

>>536067250
It'd be really cool if they introduced a mechanic for unruly demons as a sort of fusion accident where the demon comes out stronger, but you have to beat it into submission for it to actually join your party.

>Persona collab with Overwatch
Thank YHVH our series is still somewhat niche

>>536103173
Please tell me this is a joke

I kinda want atlus to go back to do weird gameplay spin offs that doesn’t mitigate demon presence and turns them into persona-lites
Maybe, and I’m just spitballing, a CRPG

>>536103434
>>>/v/718681996

>>536103535
kek

>>536103535
I want off this timeline NOW
If I see a single blizzard shit skin wearing anything demon related, even Jack Frost, I'm gonna lose it.

>>536103846
You WILL have Tracer wear the Nemissa skin

>>536103490
A CRPG would be nice

>>536103490
>>536104359
SMT x Planescape

Jaki Roadhog

>>536104449
good image, made me kek

If you could choose to never have existed would you do it? Not to die, but to never exist at all. I sometimes think about stuff like this but have no one to share it with. Shin Megami Tensei

>>536103846
>Overwatch 2 featuring Jack Frost from the Shin Megami tensei series
I love that I can make this post knowing there is a small change that this is actually possible.

>>536106706
no

>>536106706
perhaps

>>536103846
You will hee and you will ho it

>>536103535
>the only appeal Overwatch and Persona have is towards waifufags
Makes sense in a weird way.

>>536106706
Probably. Cessation of existence sounds nice in a “I can’t think therefore no problem” kinda way. It’s weird to say, but I don’t necessarily fear death, but rather leaving everything behind and having people dwell in the problems I unintentionally made makes me keep living. In the likelihood of just pure oblivion, I’m alright with it. Still don’t want to die though, I just don’t fear it like most people

Chiaki and Naoki's cute babies

>>536103535
Will OW break the curse?

>>536109378
You can't get ghosts pregnant.

>>536109627
Overwatch is already dead.

>>536103535
>Atlus admitting that Persona's only decent contribution is the porn
Lol and Lmao. Most likely case its just some Persona cast skins for the characters which could get imported to blender or whatever the sinners use over there.

>>536106706
Nah, like to think I've been a half-way positive influence to those I care about and don't hate life that much.

>>536110061
>Overwatch
Blizzard*
They're even alienating their WoW fanbase hard as fuck which has always been their biggest and most consistent source of money

>>536110632
Unironically I used to really like overwatch several years ago. But it was becoming increasingly clear the game was beginning to fail. They would barely put out content and they were constantly changing their writers. They also put more and more focus on every update accommodating esports. Then the hammer dropped where they fucked up the big pve campaign they sold the second game on and said it wasn't happening. Outside of that I'm still furious how much they fucked up WCIII and made it difficult to play the game without their """reforged""" shit.

>>536109273
Yeah, I'm pretty much on the same boat, being born made me experience a lot of good, but also a lot of shit, so I can't exactly say it was a flawless decision on the part of my parents. I think it's also why I have no desire to have children.

>>536103535
match made in hell

>>536109273
I'm at a similar place where I know and accept that death mean just nothingness afterwards, but it still freaks me out.
Like, just sitting and trying to merely conception what it would be like to just. NEVER think again. To be completely devoid of any thought, any motion, any impact on yourself or the world around you. It's a level of nothing that I believe the human brain genuinely cannot fathom.
It's a level of complete emptiness from all conceptual thought that does genuinely freak me out. I guess it's less fear and more dread that inevitability. And sometimes I just have to snap out of those thoughts and focus on what I have now.

>>536120021
Cute Mermaid!
Also source please.

>>536118702
hey, that's the edit i made. i don't really care about dying but i'm also in constant discomfort.
and there are some things i still want to do before i die.

>>536120021
REMOVE SKELETON

>>536120665
but then she'd be all floppy

>>536120313
https://x.com/donbee937

>>536121918
Thank you.

https://gamebanana.com/mods/528162
is this guy still updating it? damn

>>536126692
I still find it funny this MC barely smiles but when it's something chaos related, he's grinning like a psychopath. Aogami is the only thing keeping this brat neutral.

Just found out about Tokyo…. damn that shit sucks...

>>536129137
Tokyo isn't real

>>536130705
Thor is gay.

Avatar Fag

>>536081657
wild to see such a blatant shill post for an unrelated game here but ok

>>536138583
who would shill anything here, its a ghost-town

>>536140851
i hate that this is better than what we got

>>536140851
I wish Aogami was even a fraction as cool as Dagda

I'll take a loving companion that supports me over a edgy retard that complains about my choices any time.

>>536144791
>complains about my choices any time.
Stop making the wrong choices then fagboy

>>536106706
i'm a bitch, i'd do it purely for how would my friends and family be if I was never there

>>536138583
I never even played the series, I just got surprised to see on my youtube feed a big game named after him

>>536073549
good on you because SMT V actually has the worst story in mainline lol. only goes up from here.
ngl kinda felt the same while playing SMT 2, i miss the more mythical elements of SMT1 and everything interesting about II gets done so fucking quick or just completely bounces all over the place

>>536132526
That's like half the posters here.

help me choose the next game to play on my 3ds
>DeSu
>Soul Hackers
>EO4
>Ace Attorney

>>536151867
hole hackers
remember to call your friend sexy

>>536103535
Ronde x Overwatch on Tuesday

Sole hackers
Hack your shoe

Hole Sackers

>>536145161
>make a choice Aogami doesn't like
>even says he doesn't like it
>doesn't turn on you and force you to rewrite his character
>tries to understand your point of view instead

>>536157645
>trying to understand other people
gay as fuck bro

>>536157947
>t.

>>536158272
You may not like it, but this is what peak SMT looks like.

>>536158625
It's part of what makes it good, but pic related having your back is as equally important.

>>536103535
overwatch 2 is going to eos in a year?
based.

SMT x Concord

>>536161286
Night Bazz

>>536161202
If only.

>>536161635
Imagine If

>>536161776
Strange...

>>536162018
Jonkler can kill other games with his power. How can SMT protagonists hope to compete?

>>536162217
Genuinely wondering how long until joker is shoved into dx2

>>536162350
Balatro x Dx2

>>536162217
they CAN'T