Thread 535931019

Surfing the Vox Waves Edition

>Update 9.0 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/247-patch-notes-update-9-0

>July Community update
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/248-july-community-update

>Roadmap:
https://i.imgur.com/38C5Cg9.jpeg

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general
https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks

Previously on the Battle-Barge: >>534908894

>>535930331
That’s not what TTK means

>>535931368
Time To Krump ?

>>535931537
Yes
Very zoggin good

>>535932375
No but for an actual answer TTK only considers the exact time to kill a single given enemy in a vacuum assuming all rounds hit etc
Bringing in the idea of multiple enemies or splash damage or AOE damage simply isn’t part of what TTK entails
Not saying it’s not a conversation worth having, but it’s simply outside of the scope of what TTK means

>patch 10.0
>no cosmetics system overhaul
>techmarine slated for 2026
What DO they have in store for this anniversary patch?

>>535934037
Nothing

They left Space Marine 2, their highest and biggest selling game for a redneck truck game and a L4D clone

>>535934037
The last employee working on the game committed suicide yesterday when he read the comments about how the game sucked
It’s over

>no game where we burn Calth and Ultramar as justice
>no game where we preach about the primordial truth
>no game where we worship the old gods

>>535929775
>>535930228
Good games, brother. We beat all three terminus at wave 25.
Farthest I've ever gotten.

>>535937189
that was my bad
couldn't even make it to a stim between all the shit and kept getting staggered by the plasma cannon
hoovered up resources all damn game

>>535937189
Next time, I'll run a good old ruthless decapitation while we wait for the room to fill up.

>>535937289
>ruthless
lol

>>535937228
Yeah, the plasma cannons are a turbo bitch. You really have to mind them or they -will- fuck you up, and that's hard to do with the amount of enraged rubrics and missile spamming soulreaper terminators they throw at you by that point.
You contributed a ton of damage though. I'm confident if we can get a third /vg/ro, or I could at least remember to summon the dreadnought I bought, then we'll have normal in the bag and be ready to tackle hard.

>>535937759
i managed to get valtus out but he just fucked off after stomping one hellbrute
need to get used to playing heavy again too, been a long damned time since i touched him
that or just cuck out to the heal banner and play bulwark since vanguard has the weakest ammo regen

>>535937759
>>535937883
>normal siege
You know what
I was gonna talk shit but
Keep going and have fun anons

>>535938690
i haven't touched siege since it first came out so i needed to get back into the swing of it relative to absolute

I’m gonna watch Waterloo (1970)
Anyone else know any good war movies

>>535939258
a bridge too far

>>535918017
this is not doom. it's a console game. you might have the enemy in sights, but unless you press the aim button AND zoom in your shots are programmed to miss and have a damage penalty.

>>535939547
Another great
But already see

>>535934037
Confirmed or are you ASSuming based on them not saying specifically that this stuff is coming?

>>535939480
Already watched but thank you

>>535940403
>>535934037
Is there source for any of this

>>535938690
Hard siege has too much BS for the amount of increased challenge you get
Normal is more fun regardless of how good you are at the game

>>535940403
>Confirmed
As in? In a community update from July? I didn't see any of it.
Unless you're referring to some passing statement from a CM somewhere on their discord. Then again they claimed a lot of things over the last months (i.e. SM3 not impacting 2's development) and had very little to show for.

>>535936464
There needs to be more off-imperium 40k games
For some reason orks have a surprising amount of games where they’re the protag (The plane combat/combat racing clones) and that one 2D flash game looking shooter
You mainly fight other orks tho so its not really my cup of tea. Plus they’re all pretty fucking mediocre.

I wanna play a non shit version of fire warrior where you’re killing tons of primaris as an eldar/tau just for the redditor secondary sm fanboy seethe

Daily reminder that Saber magnanimously gave us a survey to gain more info (looks like discord isn't the most reliable source after all). You can channel your righteous fury at their incompetence and actually let them know directly what kind of shit needs fixing:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf3NW8GeDEUdjFpdBJbNL1PRpp0o05thpgMwjtxm7H5rPDZgQ/viewform?usp=dialog

>inb4 hurr durr I need to write an essay
You don't have to, most fields are just about clicking through stuff. The ones that matter and require you to type something are things that you like, that need to improve (and maybe what sm3 is supposed to have).
Maybe something will come out of it or it won't but it'd be good to take the opportunity this once Brothers.

When in melee as a heavy class, do i deal more damage with light attacks or with stomps?

>>535956465
ALWAYS STOMP, NEVER STOP STOMPING, STOMP THE ENEMIES OF THE IMPERUIM FLAT, STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP

>>535956465
SHOOT, SMASH, STOMP, SHOOT, SMASH, STOMP

>>535957974
>>535958262
Agreed.

>>535955732
Since it's made by focus staffs I don't imagine this will amount to much. I prefer direct input into saber support.

>>535955732
neat, and done
>>535960347
not him, but I submitted mine anyway. I mean it's not like there's any better way outside of their forums, but even those are empty graveyards, honestly.

most of the bugs ive had are from sloped terrain

>>535932484
sounds like time to kill isnt even relevant to the game then

>>535932484
You could absolutely measure the time to kill for a group of warriors as a unit
But yes, ttk is a pretty useless measurement overall because it takes into account very few aspects of the fighting
But the original post in the chain said that smg has a faster ttk than any melee weapon as if that was a lesser known fact that elevates the gun above melee weapons, despite that not being true in any relevant situation

Are space marines required to play Sekiro during their training?

They are really going all out on the cosmetics for Fists. This belt accessory oozes drip.

>>535989910
But wait! There's more!
(technically it was leaked a while ago, but what the hell)

>>535992719
Fakken noice.

>>535992719
And here's a bit of color on an actual model. Though admittedly, it *is" still unfinished.
>>535992931
Crimson Fist Brother, you will get some stuff as well since they'll be part of IF chapter pack.

>>535993739
The successors list for Imperial Fists' Chapter Pack. Actual releases have been pretty consistent with leaked strings up until now so it's very likely this will overlap with what Saber will put out.

>>535993739
>>535994429
Feels good man.

>>535992719
>one chest with one dangly thing for the belt
>one pauldron
>one helmet (just the standard one with some shit duct taped to it)
so the usual suspects, oh wait-
>one more pauldron thrown in
wowza!! hope this will make the pack cost $15 extra

>meanwhile the ultramarines game still has 0 (zero) unique pauldrons with ultramarine heraldry
l m a o

>>535996047
Supposedly they have something akin to a Chapter pack in the pipeline. That's just based on some strings/info in the files. Difficult to say when/how it'd be released.

>>535996047
>no smurfs heraldrly
You've got Imperius Reavers chestpiece if you really wanna stretch it. I don't get why they're wasting perfectly good campaign assets tho. Shit's just lying around ready to be reused Saber....

>>535996047
Chapter heraldry pauldrons are shit though
I'd rather have more subtly themed pieces because an armour piece that in no uncertain terms says "I AM FROM THIS CHAPTER SPECIFICALLY" is hard to use the second you try to make a member of one of the other 999. Makes the piece way less valuable.

>>536002053
It feels like Saber can't make anything 'subdued' to save their lives. They either do something stupid like studded helmet (as a reward for hard Siege no less!) or go all flamboyant on other gear. There's no middle ground.
I too would enjoy having a more universal pieces, even with more fluff, to be usable on successors. But these russians have other ideas it seems.

>>535993739
>>536002053
Salamanders' vanity pack will be made in a similar fashion - chest, pauldrons, only an emblem for helmet, but they will be getting a halo/brazier. Funnily enough this is supposed to go on Tactical, but if they open up customization (still unconfirmed whether it'll go live with 10.0 btw) then it's going to be an interesting addition, albeit paid.

>>536011636
In game render of the same pack, sans textures.

>>536011636
If it can be put on anyone I'm game.

>>536011636
There's something for our Iron Hands cousins too - one of a kind cosmetics pack to commemorate their Primarch!

Death Squad Terminators coming to Darktide.
>Terminators in DT before SM2...
As if rejects in DT could take on a full-fledged CSM in Terminator armor. And yet in SM2 we have to roll our way to victory.

>>536019448
Btw I know we have T'sons Termies. What I meant was the lack of them as a class, my bad.

>>536019448
what

Should we come up with a custom undivided warband while we wait for updates to keep moral up? If we get more chaos options it might be fun to have a /sm2g/ warband to fight the phantom links

>>536021239
im still l playing sons of horus

>>536021239
What would be a good foil to our pants on head retarded boys?

>>536019448
You don’t have to roll if you’re not bad

>>536021239
Oh how about we have some sort of space janitor?

Guess who showed up in the latest White Dwarf?

>>536031217
Whoa what's this

>>536031217
Why does Quartus have 3 shoot when he can only use pistols like Vespasius?

Also Scipius' sniper rifles aren't even 4 shoot and is the same tier as Decimus 3 shoot gay carbines?

Quartus should have 2 shoot and 5 melee
Vespasius should have 2 shoot and 6 melee
Scipius should have 5 shoot and 2 melee

>>536033864
the red pips vs black clearly have some significance

>>536019448
>rumor mill
It's not real, anon.

>>536033256
Veridian and Talasa stats in the latest White Dwarf magazine, which is an official Warhammer magazine.

>>536031217
You know what actually annoys me? The pronunciation of Scipius and decimus. Why is Scipius pronounced like Skipius, when Decimus is Desimus? If we were to use the Latin rule, wouldnt both C be pronounced like a hard K? And if we go by English (?) rule, both would be a soft C or S sound, no? What's the deal.

>>536033864
>>536034213
Those are dice, so I’m guessing you might be able to reroll the red ones. I’ll need to look over the rules, since this is apparently apart of a custom co-op game mode called Operations, meant to mimic the Operations from SM2.

>>536037110
because english, decimus wouldve been spelled with a k, which makes sense because deca is greek word for ten and the romans were massive greekboos

>>536045173
Don't space marines speak in a mix of high and low Gothic anyway? Surely that would mean the language sound more Latin...

>>536045737
high gothic is latin
low gothic is english
>the black one uses the english spelling
what did they mean by this

>>536046064
Clearly a take on the average londoner!

>>536046064
That they had to give Scipius the fancier name to try and civilize him after taking him from a technologically backwards world

>>536027214
Maelstrom Custodians Warband
War cry: ORDER IN CHAOS

>>536049713
Alternative warcry: WE ARE THE ORDER OF MADNESS

>>536050223
Alternative: CHAOS SUCKS AND IS LAME AND GAY AND THEY SHOULD STOP SELLING CHAOS MINIS AND CHAOS MERCHANDISE BECAUSE THEY’RE FOR LOSERS

>>536037110
i pronounce it sipius and nobody can stop me

>>536049713
Aight. I don't really know much about chaos warbands. I'm gonna read up on some lore about them. Anyone has recommendations on what stories/books have decent lore/tidbits about certain warbands? I also forget - did we have an origin for the Phantoms? I know that our home word is unknown but I don't remember if we were meant to be a successor for certain chapters.

>>536050350
Exactly why we are making them space janitors
>>536049713
Colors maybe

>>536051858
If only we can customize them a bit more. What God should the space jannies serve, if any? This would make picking a legion much easier.

>>536051356
look up red corsairs, one of the quintessential renegade chapters compared to traitor legions

>>536052281
Now these guys I do know about. Loyalists turn renegade during the badab war, right? Originally part of the astral claws? Sound too cool to be jannies perhaps?

they were the astral claws but got tired of paying taxes after patrolling the maelstrom. otherwise theres traitor legions warbands, which are usually derived from their legion company rather than a chapter

>>536052609
Yeah, that's what I thought. What are the characteristics of jannies, lads?
>toil for free
>cleans it up
Anything else? Probably need 1 more to find a matching legion.

>>536052883
iron warriors clean up everyones messes

Saber abandoned us for a redneck game and a L4D clone...

They could have announced Warhammer 40k: Chaos Space Marine or a Last Stand mode, Dreadnought mode

>>536053123
They most definitely toil for free as well. And they enjoy not having shower for ages - sounds like the ideal legion to have the jannies hail from.

>>536052883
>cleans up other people's messes
>does it for free
>has no other life
>universally derided, especially by the people they clean up after
>currently spooks and indians because hiro has sold us out

>>536053481
KEK

>>536052219
I figured we just make it chaos undivided to make sense with the other classes in the game already, maybe with a majority of the warband having more favor with tzeentch or slaanesh to fit the jannies shifting moods, remember a warband is a army of individuals that have cooperative goals and motives and tribe together for as long is it works

OK OK, I have something here. In the aftermath of the battle of Tallarn, the iron warriors lost a great deal of troops and had to begin a mass recruitment, known as the iron shackles. Many worlds across the segmentum tempestus systems were raided and sacked by the iron warriors, and their human populations were subjugated.

The maelstrom custodians (Subject to change?) were a part of this recruitment, their world willing sent their sons to toil for the traitor forces. Only, these new recruits will not serve as soldiers in the front line at first, but dedicated custodians if the janitor units.

Only, on their home world, such devices have never existed. The needfuls were performed in the streets, on the side of the roads. Janitorial duty was never needed on their home planet of Shartipoo, so they had to learn quick.

The Iron Serfs

The maelstrom custodians (stc) before they came to be known as such proved to be subservient but capable under the iron rules of Perterabo. After proving themselves able warriors that can resist the touch of nurgle ( perhaps in part due to immunity creates under their homeworlds unique conditions) in the lines of latrine duty, Perturabo decided to elevate the most staunch of them (who toiled for free) to becoming one of his own sons. A little rank, but a son nonetheless.

The members of iron warriors that hailed from the death world of Shartipoo (subject to change), like many of the new recruits, were stationed to guard the supply line for the traitor forces. When the ultramarine clashed with the iron warriors, the maelstrom custodians lost contact with their fellow legionaries. Despite that, their tenacity and foul odor drove the ultramarines away from their station. The loyalists to this day, perhaps out of spite, never acknowledged the existence of the self proclaimed warbands. The ultramarines chapter story, however, did mention of a planet during this conflict so foul that they refused to make landfall. Clearly, it was an elaborate ploy to discredit the (self proclaimed) infamous warband, now calling themselves the maelstrom custodians.

I don't have much more to work with atm. I was thinking of a conflict between these jannies and the phantom links. The wars of the iron cage reborn might be a good place to work with. I was thinking about making a parody of this (the wars of the toilet bowl or iron loo etc), in which they had the clean up a mess made by the Phantoms. I've not read the book yet so I'll probably do that sometimes. What else is missing for our janny chaos warband?

>>536056512
Oh... I got tricked by chatgpt. I was wondering why I couldn't find the book, it's because he just made it up (sounds cool though). What's a good book for some famous campaign that both the Phantoms and the janitors could have fought each other's?

>>536031217
why does scipius parry on a four up?

>>536064550
>Vespasius 6+

>>536064691
To be fair, that fits how i play Assault
>bro what is a parry button take this charged ground pound/hammer smash
It even sometimes works

>>536064550
>>536064691
Scipius brought the fencing knife while vespasius is going full block for massive damage
That, or the assault hate is just carrying over into this as well

>>536073409
Cool but I'm here for video games Games Workshop, not barbie dolls for manchildren with too much money to spare

>>535989910
I know that's a measuring tool but it being a belt accessory just looks like its meant to snip off something.

>>536073409
Titus looks different, AGAIN.

>>536073409
I will not buy plastic at the price of silver.

>>536081526
The inquisitor that kidnapped him was actually an alpha legion agent and titus has been replaced by an alpha legion marine double like 7 times.

>>536019448
>Darktide
>Terminator-class enemy
Nah, DT crew wouldn't last 10 seconds with that kind of firepower. It's some unsubstantiated rumor bro.

I am fortifying this thread.

>>536080973
>looks like its meant to snip off something
Indeed.

>>535955732
Most important question in here. This is gonna have some nudge on future DLC packs and which Chapters return.

>>536046064
High gothic is zoomer english
Low gothic doesn't exist, it's an umbrella term for every planet's local dialect (cf niggerspeak)

>>536112313
What did you put?

>>536122246
Raven Guard

>>536128689
Cringeth

>>536122246
Why Phantom Links of course!

>>535931019 (OP)
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>Imperial Administratum has granted access to records of all Astartes operating in Decidious System, CODENAME: ADEPTUS RETARDES
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>All First Founding Chapters accounted for.
>All Astartes are to upload a FULL SCREENSHOT of their Dude and post their CHAPTER.

Hail Brothers! I am presenting to you the latest version of the Dude Wall. There are a few updates, so without further ado, here we go:
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- One Salamander (#4) got caught in the Warp and recently appeared on one of the Colonies and has since been joined with his brothers – my apologies to the Brother who posted this Son of Vulkan;
- Homebrew: Name title for Borean Butcher was incorrectly formatted – this has been fixed;
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There will be an update to frames to some chapters very soon, so be on the lookout for those.

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>>536128689
Based

>>536049713
>Chapter Master Raphael Apius

>>536122246
Blood Ravens

[s]World Eaters.[/s]

>>536132268
Awww yeah looking fresj

>>536151683
we monster hunter now

>>536135517
Thanks for the work brother

how do i use power sword? just power stand and regular swings?

>>536170067
Pretend you're raking leaves for small openings, and then twirl like a ballerina for big ones.

>>536170067
Power stance covers 360 like the spin attacks of combat knife except it's an infinite combo, you use it for minoris hordes. If you want to switch stances in the middle of a fight you can do it from a parry attempt. The spin attack is too slow for me, don't like it. Power rake is also slow but its best used to hit targets out of normal melee range, if you're used to other weapons you will do it naturally out of habit.

Use Fencing probably, the sword is painfully slow otherwise and the cleave limit is higher than other weapons at its lowest, plus it seems power stance waves doesn't care about that. The general theme of power sword is you need to get used to it being a slower weapon with mediocre damage that isn't minmaxed on this scale like the power fist. It is one of the more painful weapons to level unfortunately.

>>536174115
should i get the power style combo extension?

>>536174115
>the spin attack is too slow for me
That’s a shame cuz it’s pretty much PSwords strongest option if you get an opening for it lmao

>>536174729
Combo extensions have never helped anyone. Those nodes need to give some other kind of bonus or make the last hit be much more powerful. No idea why they exist at all under the current system for infinite combo weapons.

>>536175275
Then bonus damage vs majoris or minoris? I'm feeling minoris because honestly just parrying warriors with bulwark is more than enough but then again chaos exists

>>536175705
Always Majoris 100% of the time

>>536175705
You’re mostly going to be spamming power rake and power whirl against majoris, there’s pretty much never any reason to take extra damage versus minoris, no class needs help chaff clearing in this game really

>>536174115
>The spin attack is too slow for me, don't like it
do you use tranquility or the bonus damage for each light swing?

>>536175705
The minoris slayer perk does nothing significant. It doesn't change breakpoints.

>>536170067
https://youtu.be/4zVaAW0iipI?feature=shared

Here. It's a little outdated in terms of the damage values but the general usage is the same. Plus they put step switching back so it's better than ever.

>>536174115
If you don’t use power whirl you’re sandbagging
Sorry but it’s true
>yeaaaah sorry bud but I’m just gonna go ahead and not use my best move, I think it’s lame

>dawn of war remaster
>dawn of war iii
>mechanicus 2
what the fuck is going on? why do they keep dropping new games on us everyday? that's not sustainable. is GW is on the verge of bankruptcy?

>>536195181
GW does literally none of the development themselves.
They hand out the license to everyone that wants it and assign one dumb fucking goon to make sure it properly markets their plastic shit
>yes, you need to add a Primaris™ DümWader™
>no, he can't just use a bolter, it has to be a Saynguine™ HelSpyter™
>no, he can't wear Firstborn™ armor either

>the iron warriors had a tyranid enslaved as their space ship
Thats kind of fucking metal.

>>536195181
It just so happens that multiple game sub-franchises got ready in a similar time frame by coincidence. The first two aren't even separate, releasing a remaster of classic game to build interest for a new entry is pretty standard these days.

Look out for Total War 40k too.

>>536195181
AAA studios avoid Warhammer because GW are overbearing control freaks who breathe down their necks because their priority will always be selling plastic crap.

This is why literal who studios pick up the tab and churn out slop after slop. Relic was fucking lucky with DOW1, Space Marine and DOW2 but then they fell off a cliff and never recovered.

>>536201134
>GW are overbearing control freaks
thats a good thing, have you seen the state of AAA games, not putting a leash on someone is how you end up with concord or veilguard

>>536211157
There are currently 3 distinct groups within western game development.
>Westerners who utterly despise their customers
>Indians who believe they're better than everyone despite not being able to perform basic tasks
>Contracted Chinese studios who sandbag on purpose to make Chinese projects look better by comparison
Shit sucks.

>>536195181
>is GW is on the verge of bankruptcy?
No but I do think they are very overvalued.

>>536229046
my dude, every company in the western world has been overvalued since 2015

>>536151683
Damn, Saber are cooking!. New Champion skin's lookin' wild.

>>535955732
Done, told them to give full auto weapons perks or a new modifier in regards to bodyshotting.

If it's not tap-fire, it should be shooting center mass.

>>536248673
Man I really hope they reconsider the weapon perk system... Give me a pick 13 or some shit, not this weird tree thing.

>>536254626
>choose freely brother
>yes brother I will take every Divine Might I see by default

>>536201134
AAA games. . . pfft, more like slop garbage

Terrific. Now let's wait until Saber fuck up yet another mechanic after which it'll take them a whole year before they'll revert/fix what they messed up. Why not get rid of cHP recovery on ranged altogether?
At the very least decreasing overall pace at which cHP fades, so that it takes longer to expire, would be a more logical solution.

>>536275705
Pairing that with Bulwark’s team perk would be broken

>get revived
>zoan double beams me
>immediate ravener follow-up
>dead
>mfw

>>536275705
So likeilhood of killing all contest hp regen because they don't buff melee anywhere near enough? I'm thinking 70% odds

>>536261113
Some perks are actually interesting to use and experiment with but because they're in competition with some other on the opposite row, they never get picked. Sure people would gravitate towards simple shit like divine might but for people like me who like experimenting I'd much prefer free perk choices.

>>536292360
Well then when that happens the community is sure to bitch them out, and they'll change it again. It took a better part of 6 months of complaints for them to finally admit chp on melee is bad (IE broken). There will be a PTS though I've little hope that would amount to much from their previous history (I mean it's 50/50 atm but still that's not great)

what should i build my thunder hammer like because the contested HP regen and second heavy slam being mutually exclusive seems kinda shitty

>>536315052
It doesn't matter because the chp on melee is bugged anyway and the second ground slam doesn't benefit from any perks that help with heavy attack, such as overcharge or the bigger radius one. Depending on whether you want improved aftershock or not, I guess (which also doesn't work with overcharge)

>>536317817
jesus
i just want assault to be the thunder hammer class like he should be instead of both him and bulwark carrying powerfist because it feels objectively the best

>>536318047
Thunderhammer is still good, just not as easy to use (or as good). You don't really have to always charge the hammer up fully, like you'd need to with the fist, to reach certain breakpoints, esp with the block version. The light attacks on both weapons are equally worthless though, with the TH being slightly better.

>>536318671
>like you'd need to with the fist,
You do? I always half charge it and then a following blow with literally any other love tap will put majoris into execute

>>536319612
Charging it twice does a hell a lot more damage than not. The first thrust jab or ground shake only flashes twice before they're fully charged, but everything else has to flash 3 times to do full damage.

How about contested health always starts reducing from the moment you take damage but it is a very slow rate so that you can regain it from both sources? That way health isn't just something you either have or you don't when "playing correctly" around regenerating it. Maybe give marines more health in general so you have a larger pool to play around with trades.

>>536325815
The issue for melee currently is because each instance of attack can only heal once, even if the attack has multiple instances of damage. See the thunderhammer aftershock attack. This means that attacks that hit multiple opponents also only heal once. Sure, it would be pretty busted if a weapon like the thunderhammer which has a lot of cleave on the light attack to basically heal your chp back from to full from just 1 light attack into a group of gaunts, the reverse, which is what we have now, feels way worse.

This was likely a result from the fix that allowed for the assault to heal over his contest hp bar, but it pretty much neutered melee chp recovery. In my mind, they just have to set chp heal instances for attacks individually. For attacks that are fast and low risk, they can limit the chp recovery to be lower or can only heal off few opponents. Attacks like the powerfist charged attack and aftershock though need to have very little limit on how many instances of healing can happen. Ffs, I have seen my friend get all of his chp back from a single fully charged improved aftershock, when I dropped a invig icon banner on him. It wasn't easy to pull off, but it was a just reward for such a feat.

They need to test their game out way more to fine tune chp recovery for all melee weapons, that's for damned sure.

Why didn't they get Titus' VA back?

I didn't get a second terminus spawn on decapitation, it was just the hive tyrant
how the hell did i skip it
I was on absolute
>>536336953
because mark strong is a b-list actor now so he's got more expensive shit to do than 8 hours of dialogue

>>536336953
Because he's Marny now.

>>536292360
Too high if you ask me, but with a sliver of luck PTS feedback might actually be taken into consideration this time around. I'd be very cautious with my expectations though.

>>536337875
You don’t always get a second Terminus spawn on Absolute

>>536275705
They do have 18 pages of comments, 90% of which are saying in no uncertain terms "I voted yes/no but what we actually want is buffs without nerfs"
That could potentially be enough pushback for them already

>>536348326
>That could potentially be enough pushback for them already
I've already told you on several occasions the game is too easy. We will force people to stop shooting and engage in melee so that people switch from fencing to a harder playstyle -- Sergey Grigoryenko, Game Designer.

>>536350605
The nerfs will continue until morale improves

>>536352129
OK lads I know it's a meme but they have been doing nothing but buffs, pretty much every patch. I can count on 1 hand where they specifically nerfed stuff intentionally. Fencing (failed cuz of backlash. They tried and failed both times), GL (good riddance), proven efficiency (please unnerf this), and battle focus (probably not intentional but completely reasonable). I might have missed one somewhere. Oh probably melta and plasma chp recovery cap but that's also completely justified. Meanwhile pretty much everything has been buffed.

>>536357583
Ivan, what did you expect? you buff things people don't use and nerf things that people use. god forbid a weapon in this game is fun to use.

>>536357892
And look at where the game is now. It's better than ever. Sure some weapons are still ass. Sure some perks are still garbage, but compared to a year ago we have far more options than ever. And I'm still having fun.

>>536357583
The only nerfs that have happened that I am upset about are
1.nerfing assaults gunstrike damage perk from 50% to 30%, sure nobody ever used the other assault team perks if they weren’t retarded, but that is still the case because the other team perks still suck, now assault is just worse off for it
2.block weapon universal speed nerf. I just hate how slow they feel, specifically the chainsword and power sword, knife is fine

>>536364000
>And look at where the game is now. It's better than ever.
*looks around*
yeah, about that. glad you're having your fun though.

>>536367275
The art team is putting in work in this game, top tier weathering detail

>>536367275
This is some JoJo-esque pic. Love the fidelity.
>>536368192
Monkey's paw. We get good looking details but overall design takes a hit, that's why we must suffer through limited customization options. Btw, didn't they say somewhere the update to dressing up system will come with 10.0?

>>536368989
Supposedly next month, maybe with the new weapons. I hope they separate decorations from base armor so I can use a beaky helmet with the blood angels blood drop, or use the sanguinius aquila on a different chest base with more decoration

>>536364342
You sound fat

>>536370367
that's not how you use this format.

>>536367275
Neat

Which do you dislike more, zoanthropes or biovores? I am leaning towards zoanthropes honestly, simply because they can’t be fought in melee and their jank attack hitboxes are simply unfun. The double beam attack is such bullshit.

>>536370531
There is no codex approved way to use it

>>536378183
At least zoanthropes are more fun to shoot. I can live with the slim chance of being bullshitted in an engagement when I see three zoans spawn, but I mentally sigh of boredom when I notice massive amounts of spore mines suddenly starting to appear after that extremis spawn noise.

>>536378183
Theyre both gay for different reasons but at least one of them can be fought actively when you're out of ammo.

>>536378941
except there is, observe:

>>536330000
you sound fat

see how he put a lot of effort into making a well-written, on-topic post? and I called him a nerd, implying all his work was in vain, ain't nobody reading all that shit. I made a shitpost, and you called me a nerd - what for?

also, check them.

>>536367275
Survivor's helmet (despite being primaris-tied) is still one of the best helmets in game and it acutally meant something last year. Stock/event Mk VIII is top tier too.

>>536395183
Yeah, it's cool. But on the topic, what other helmets we should get? Ideally paired with matching chestpiece/pauldrons.

>>536399231
mk VII 1st variant 100%

>>536359350
This is true, you can shit on the game and customization and stuff as much as you want, but it’s in objectively better state than it was a year ago. More content, more things to do, more cosmetics, more weapon (singular), buffs to most things across the board
Sure you can say that systems like customization were shit to begin with and going from shit to not as shit isn’t a high bar to clear, but an improvement is an improvement

>>536399231
Reminder that they're sitting on bunch of unreleased helmets that could've been easily made into some crummy event or even a new trophy from ordeals. These are just helmets and what about other wargear. Who knows how much stuff unreleased they're sitting on.
>>536413127
Valid points. I'll grant you it's less shit. But it's still in shit state nonetheless and Saber are prone to making retarded decision. Only now do they seem to test waters with their bright ideas (see multiple pages of replies underneath their genius forums poll). Probably not to come across as even more inept. If they care about such things...

>>536414465
>Saber are prone to making retarded decision
that's putting it mildly, they hate people having fun is the biggest problem and other shit just follows

>>536414465
Oh god why does it have eyelids

am i supposed to be trying to block when im swarmed by minoris or just trade attacks. i play as the sniper so i have a knife

>>536414465
Going off just the stuff that's been datamined so far they definitely have a ton of stuff. Like the phobos helmet for example. Hell they can repurpose things from the campaign, there was a hooded Mk8 helmet someone dug up that wasn't some modded bullshit.

>>536419874
May I see it?

>>536420558
nta, but I think there was something on leakers discord once that rings a bell. It was like pic related but with one small detail, the leaked one had a skull emblem.

>>536421364
Ah

>>536421364
funnily enough, if you would have used the unedited version of that pic it would have the emblem
ppl got pissy because they got neither the hood, nor the emblem during that event

and that event might be the reason they hesitate to do another

>>536367275
>>536406201
I think Fists look better with old style helmets. Beakies also look really good if you're rocking mark 6 pauldrons with it, too.

>>536419874
Desu the fact the Phobos pattern helmet wasn't the default for Vanguard and Sniper was a dick move.

>>536450401
Decimus is some weird Reiver/Infiltrator/Incursor hybrid. They probably trained him wrong as a joke.

>>536450401
didn't some anon say at some point it was because GW's been trying to quietly phase out the angy look in favor of the nu-primaris helmet?

>>536440720
I cannot see, brother.

>>536421364
Damn, it would've been nice to have that helmet. Also:
>left deathwatch arm from the prologue missing
>prologue armor missing as well
What a waste. The whole set should've been reward for ordeals or completing wave 25 in siege or something. Saber devs are out of touch.

>>536458703
>Saber devs are out of touch.
the devs surely are, but not their marketing department. they basically keep these parts hostage so they can be given out as a FOMO reward in the event of a major engagement rate decline.

>>536421364
Why don't we have this armour yet?

They even released Primaris Deathwatch a couple of months ago...

>>536459675
I concur, but what good is a FOMO when there's only a handful there to collect it? I mean it's fine-ish now in terms of MAU, since SM2 gets on average ~10k people, but there's a point at which top down approach and decision of the same kind start to alienate people and player base bleeds players.

>>536451732
I snapped that when it was fading out into the cutscene.

>>536451732
That's the Imperium without you, Brother.

>>536466963
Brother...

>>536466963
>>536471407
Get a sanctum, brothers.

They could have announced a Dreadnought and Invictor Warsuit update for Q4 2025...

>>536472671
>invictor warsuit
>is that the primaris baby carrier?
>yes
Did you make this post in relief or some mentally deranged longing? Because this game has already been crippled enough by primaris aesthetics.

>>536474629
reminder that you cried in joy, star wars basedboy style, watching a primaris dreadnought model (the one they absolutely butchered lore for) toss a statue at a heldrake.

>>536477006
It was an alright scene. Actually, for pretty much the entirety of the final act climax battle, it was rare that anything distracted me from the constant thought "this would look infinitely better if it wasn't primaris stuff".
As far as most primaris stuff goes, the dreadnought, like tacticus, is merely generic and mediocre instead of outright visually offensive.
Primaris fatigue has me desperately wishing for games where you don't play as space marines, nobody else has been so thoroughly butchered. Here's to hoping DoW4 miraculously somehow isn't complete shit so I can at least get some orks or something.

>>536477006
sounds like projection to me
valtus is great simply because he called magnus a bitch ass motherfucker

>>536478426
oh, so you just don't like the design of particular models rather than the bigger batman concept? fair enough.

no codes?

Someone made a site to map out the Operations maps.
https://kimberprime.wixsite.com/kimber-prime

>>536487908
>the guard camp is literally a hundred feet from the spawn point
Motherfucking thunderhawk drop us off a little further north so i don't have to fight 8 zoanthropes, 3 lictors, 5 raveners, 30 warriors, and a carnifex and/or neurothrope every single time

>>536487908
oh, this is nice, finally the modders used the tools to capture the entire level geometry, they even marked down the relic/geneseed locations so we won't need to waste time running around next time saber adds an operation...

>I load into missions on minimal difficulty and start creating sketches. There is no measurement system I use, it's all eyeballing. Once a basic sketch is done I will run the mission again with a few friends so we can confirm it all looks approximately correct before I move onto the next step.

that's... a lot of work. a lot of completely unnecessary work.

>>536489805
I can appreciate the dedication, even if this guy is making it hard on himself. I used to do the same for games I had as a kid.

>>536489805
You think that's tedious? When the game just came out we had to go through three loading screens just to test damage... Man am I glad we have mods for that now...

>>536489625
It's hardly the only one where the drop-off location doesn't make too much sense. Even when it couldn't quite fit to land (another reason why it really shouldn't have been the transport chosen for the game) it could hover and let our guys jump out straight into the tower to be destroyed for the hive tyrant or a bit closer to the armoury in ballistic engine. Exfiltration's excuse is pretty tame, I'd like to have seen actually visualized why the thunderhawk could only fly a bit of the way through the desert and not all the way into the facility, rather than a line about the air conditions that look the same everywhere.
Reliquary and fall of atreus really are the biggest offenders though. Reliquary is a long stretch of moving to get to a big blue sky beam that could've just been skipped, including a needlessly obstructive tomb (even if it is a hilarious situation) followed by a quick solution once there (and a thunderhawk could've easily fought off a heldrake if I'm honest). Fall of atreus has us just walking way too far for no reason, encountering a dreadnought that was deployed ahead of us, then walking even further through the underground, only to emerge and find (I assume) the same dreadnought having made it there faster, and then we finally get to the mechanicus that were also deployed further forward than we were. There is no reason given for why the squad wasn't deployed straight into the mechanicus compound, especially since they were just deployed from space.

>>536490664
It’s still Brothers Valtus, same VA and all. How he made it there faster is a mystery that only the Emperor knows.

>>536490664
It’s pretty hilarious that they use a thunderhawk to taxi three dudes to the battlefield and then pick them up at the end, without ever even providing air support, what a massive waste of resources lol. No wonder second company gets btfo’d in this game with such shit leadership.

>>536491808
the thunderhawk is probably providing air support somewhere else in the meantime. But yeah, I have no idea why they wouldn't have used good old droppods other than GW literally telling them to do that to boost the thunderhawk toy sales

>>536490664
Veridian and Talasa should’ve deployed via Sub Orbital Drop too.

>>536491808
the sizes are all wrong, we see rhinos in game, theres no way youre fitting 10 marines in a rhino, just as much theres no away youre fitting 30 marines in there

>>536491715
Fought his way through literally a million horrors and flamers. He did his own rollslopping around over every last one the thousands sons have hence why we never see a single one.

What the actual fuck is wrong with Decimus?

>>536492475
GW told them to include a token black character, so they did. Except they portrayed him the way russians portray black people. Pretty based if you ask me.

>>536492770
Quartus and Chairon are black too, and they’re generally more level headed than him, outside of Chairon Calth Chimpout.

>>536492475
I know, he's great. Every marine team needs one dude whos just
>I know all of you are having interpersonal drama over your bonds of brotherhood but i'm just here for the violence
The sheer, unadulterated exhaustion he has when dealing with anything that interrupts the killing would be terribly annoying if it were featured in any circumstance but a fuckheug space marine stomping universally evil alien bugs but it fits perfectly. And the amount of shit talking he has against the rest of the team has grown on me as i've seen the rest of their flaws more
except straban, best boy catches no flak from the big nig and I genuinely wish to know why because there's at least 2 options both of which are funny

>>536493236
He also has a degree of respect towards Titus.

>>536487908
>Changes elevator orientation in the name of saving space

>>536492475
He's just misunderstood

>>536493236
Straban doesn't yap anywhere near as much as the rest of the team ("Keep unnecessary chatter to a minimum"), and his autistic focus on logistical preparation for combat is probably seen as a mirror to Decimus' constant thirst for stomping alien guts.

When is patch 10 supposed to happen?

>>536496521
Next month.

>>536496521
September, but we don't know when. It could even be next week, as Patch 9 was meant to drop in August, but instead dropped on July 29th.

>>536497069
>it could even be next week
it's unlikely that saber will introduce a new weapon without PTSing it first

>>536496521
September. No specific time. Patch 9.0 didn't fix as many bugs as it should have so this one better be doing that... Who am I kidding there's gonna be way more bugs introduced lol

Vespasius Is my favorite of the team, I like how you can feel the pure hatred and disgust he has for the enemies of mankind in all his dialogue

For me, it’s Straban.

>>536496521
They're planning it to be an anniversary patch so it could very well go live on 9th. This would fall in line with rumors that it is set to launch early September without any prior PTS.

>>536504360
hilarious, I've never seen this bark, I tend to stress out during this section and don't pay attention to conversations. I wonder how many more I have missed.

>assault, vanguard, and bulwark on absolute inferno
>double neurothropes and the hive fleets entire supply of zoans
>win with no deaths
Quality work, especially with the vanguard and bulwark being underleveled. Ultramarine players are truly built different, but the white scar vanguard was also very good.

Is there any hope for quality content (customization or weapons) in the next season pass? I mean they hinted at showing it in next week's Community Update, so they'll have to show their cards.
What do you think they came up with for chapters? More First Founding content or this one will have Successors in the spotlight (i.e. BT champion)?

>>536505879
>What do you think they came up with for chapters?
More bling to put on my Dude. They could go with releasing something for every FF chapter so that is filled at least and this time whenever a FF chapter gets a season, his successors should get goodies in the form of wargear too not just crummy decals.
New weapons. Not variants, but actual weapons. Grav-cannon (it was datamined), wrist-mounted bolters etc. Same goes for melee.
And a robust overhaul of siege and also more map diversity. One or two (unlikely) more maps would go long way.

>>536509340
There’s gotta be at least some maps for Avarax and Demerium.

>>536505879
I think it will be the imperial fists successor pack with bt champion. Not even a bt fan but I hope they had the cross helmet pattern

Hey, guys. Haven't played since Feburary. How is the new Siege mode, is it like Exterminatus coop mode from the first game? Did they buff the Devastator's Heavy Bolter, is Assault usable in the higher difficulties now?

>>536519050
Siege is fine, gets really hard at high levels, it is a horde mode.
Heavy bolter is really good
Assault has been buffed a few times, it is still the worst class but you can clear absolute with it

>>536509340
>New weapons. Not variants
Boy, do I have news for you Brother. They will be releasing a new tier of weapons called 'Heroic weapons' that you'll be able to grind for in a new Stratagem Mode (basically operations with modifiers). No new melee weapons there though, but there's also going to be a Xenophase skin for power sword so that's pretty rad. Oh, and there's going to be yet another currency for that mode so you can unlock skins (?) and said weapons.

Techmarine will be getting a power halberd tho. Among other things.

My friend has pre-ordered this game and has finally had time to play it this weekend. We beat it last night, the scene at the end where the dreadnought kills the hellkite with the statue made him laugh out loud. He's trying out operations now. He wants to play assault but with a tier 1 thunder hammer it's not going well. He switched to heavy and has had a lot more fun blasting shit with the heavy bolter.

>>536526891
Brother Valtus is truly blessed.

>>536521239
>>536519050
Ok, prestiging makes me lose all my perks while gaining a prestige perk. Would I be griefing if I played on Lethal/Absolution for operations and Hard for Siege?

>>536530254
>Lethal/Absolute
No, as long as you're Relic tier weapons you'll be fine.
>Hard Siege
Don't even approach it without having at least 1 or 2 prestige perks. Even then it can be tricky. Unless you have people to play with who are maxed out chances are you'll get kicked for dragging the team down (that's the sad reality of Prestige and Siege dynamic in SM2). Saber were very adamant Prestige isn't necessary to play the game on hardest difficulty but apparently they didn't consider Siege in that line of thinking. Not a surprise because they use excel spreadsheets to 'adjust' stuff instead of playing their game to understand core problems. But that's beside the point.

>>536530254
>Would I be griefing if I played on Lethal/Absolution for operations and Hard for Siege?
Play one ruthless mission to get a team perk at least

Marines Malevolent are gay.

>>536530254
Try absolute and see how it goes. For me it worked, I did my part even without any perks, but you can't really rely on the class to carry you through.

>>536546936
you're gay

>>536546936
what about the dark angels

>>536546936
shut up faggot

>>536135517
Wall anon, I made my Stonehewn more in compliance with the Codex. Squad number is back to being on the right pauldron, but shouldertrim will now match the rest of the matte look. Company designation will instead go on the right kneeplate following with Imperial Fists colors.

Also, what do you guys think? Not too flashy? Too plain? If you tell me they fit in, I'm happy.

>>536530254
I did literally all of my prestiging 1-4 with every class on Absolute, if you know what you’re doing and have gold weapons it’s not an issue

God I hope the tech marine will be fun.

>>536552410
Perhaps...perhaps...

>>536526891
Starting out with the assault, with the thunderhammer no less, is possibly the most difficult way to play since you have to have very good fundamental knowledge of melee to perform well.

>>536552543
Don't tease me with that pyre blaster man. I really hope it's not just the heavy who gets it.

>>536496410
Its possibly that
Its also possibly that straban is too autistic so it just rolls off him so decimus doesn't even try
Or that he when he returns fire its not just the "you're too aggressive" like everyone else but something actually cutting
>>536530254
>Would I be griefing if I played on Lethal/Absolution
No, if you have gold weapons you can easily still win on absolute if you can play well. If you still want some perks then lethal is completely fine and easy enough that you shouldn't be losing unless your team is actively dragging you down.
Never do siege for leveling, the time per XP is terrible. Failing at level 25 will take 2 hours and get you the same xp as finishing a 25 minute absolute run

>>536552410
It will be once you get into a match where there aren't 3 of you. Fucking retarded system. They did not need to make the Brothers we play be the ones speaking during ops.

>>536494562
Which one?

>>536559204
Inferno's is rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise, and two of Decapitation's three are flipped 180 degrees and rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise, respectively.

>>536559204
>>536561086
Forgot my image.

>Helldivers gets an ODST collab
>we get nothing
It’s over, isn’t it?

>>536566998
We get a Chiikawa collab

>>536566998
The first game was better.

>>536567149
HAHH!??

>>536566998
Is it so surprising when they have a whole studio working behind the game? Besides what kind of collab would a 40k game even get

>>536568576
OIIIIIIIIII

>>536568728
Imperial Guard collab.

>>536570520
Oh youre talking about helldiver. Sure I guess.

why the fuck is the game putting me into lobbies where my ping is 300+?

>>536569179
He definitely skinned usagi and is wearing him as a hat... Right?

>>536571256
Yes

>>536504360
He's not an Ultramarine, he's an Imperial Fist/Iron Loser

>>536571207
>cue up for a pub game
>am the only one in the server
>somehow I get 320 ping, presumably in the EU
What in the fuck is going on. This match making blows.

>>536571758
>600 ping lobby
>300 ping lobby
>same 300 ping lobby
guess the game just doesn't want me to play tonight
God forbid i play one fucking thing of decapitation before i go to work

>>536571734
Not all Astartes are boiled down to singular trait.

>>536566998
pekora collab imminent

>>536572358
GW would never be as fun or lighthearted with their collabs like Kojumbo is.

>>536572656
All we get are shitty world of X collabs.

>>536572857
Unfortunately.

>>536572305
The best white scar squad would just be gotta go fast space mongols(mentally and physically) with small personal quirks between them.
I'm not interested in whatever retarded shit a black library writer thinks a space marine with a complex, nuanced personality is.

>>536573671
>complex, nuanced personality
>stoic
>cheerful
>pious
>aggressive
>snippy
>protective
>complex

>>536573671
space marine chapters really do be like snow white and the seven dwarfs fr

>>536574791
>look he's an ultramarine but he's actually a black khornate berserker
>isn't that subversive and interesting
Not interested.

>shoot at a ranged terminator
>rocket barrage
>melee a ranged terminator
>rocket barrage
>exist within line of sight of a ranged terminator
>rocket barrage
this is hell
who thought this was good enemy design
chaos sucks

>>536577597
Basically you can only force them into melee if you stagger them, and when you're their target, and when youre close. Normally, enemies who get staggered will shift aggro to the player who did it. Problem of course is you can't always stagger them. See enraged enemies and biovore.

>>536577329
>he's aggressive so he must be a khornate
>he's obstinate so he must be an imperial fist
>he's crafty he must be tzeentchian
>he's tactical he must be a raptor
Do you actually think its clever to make every single member of any given faction a perfect stereotype of their faction?

>>536582121
It's not clever, it's what entertains me and I think fits well. Just like national stereotypes in media, it's simple and good.

>>536577597
Maybe they should just put a cooldown on the missile barrage. Simplest fix I can think of. You'll get people complaining that they're shooting their assault cannons too frequently but its for the best since that's easier to handle and take cover from.

>>536493127
Quartus is lightly brown enough that I could see him being classed as generic Terran Dark instead. Clearly has a flat wide nose though.

>>536582381
>it's what entertains me
How, that sounds boring as fuck to have dudes who are all the exact same just because they belong to the same group. Prevents any actually interesting concepts because
>well he's an ultramarine so he could possibly like the violence part more than the tactics part

>>536583179
Hmm yes and when saber made a salamander sniper to subvert expectation people were pissed. It's just an opinion dude he doesn't have to justify anything.

>>536583179
>he's an ultramarine so he could possibly like the violence part more than the tactics part
He doesn't like tactics at all, violence is literally all he thinks about.
His only identifying features are that he's a violent retard and that he has a weird sub saharan nigger accent. He's a total caricature but he's also totally out of place, the only thing that identifies him as an ultramarine are his colors.

>>536586601
Ultramarines actually ride a very thin line between being logistic autists and absolute rage fueled terror monkeys. Fan theory thinks that Guilliman and Angron would have been better on their other planets for their upbringings. Guilliman is a brawler.

>>536585650
>salamander sniper
The only issue with that is that half of the champion skins are in line with their class while the other half are completely unrelated. If they picked one or the other there wouldn't be as many complaints.
>>536586601
>He doesn't like tactics at all,
He's the one or two out the six that's first to point out flaws in their deployments because it annoyed him. Everyone else says they should get a tech marine in Exfiltration he's the one that says they should just deploy with some standardized power cells to avoid that bullshit. Him being a shittalking ape can genuinely be a useful trait for finding flaws in their doctrine and training when everyone else just swallows their words. The guys who are just there to do their job finding shit to bitch about are a crucial part of the planning process.

>>536587671
I will only buy more champion skins if they allow me to mix and match parts. The dark angel one was pretty good

>>536550326
Received.

>>536587671
It's not a good solution because those power cells are not light. They would need to request a *custom* lightweight power cell that has compatible dimensions but otherwise only has a minimal capacity for a short task.

>>536587671
Literally everyone sees straban as an imperial fist and prefers him in IF or IF successor colors, the people want stereotypes.

>>536590245
and then there's me, using DG colors for him

Any time I use my Blood Raven assault with a power fist I take the time to switch to a color scheme that has the big hand in another color. Currently it is Averland Sunset.

>>536590817
Always switch the power fist to Macragge Blue, Averland Sunset or Caliban Green

>>536590245
I like him as my blood angel while Valius is my lamenter. And i understand that's what fits him best, and it should be an option, but pigeonholing a character to
>well he's autistic so he should only go with the other autists because no other group could ever have autists
is some catch-22 reasoning that ultimately limits intra-chapter characterization and plots themselves. Stereotypes are useful for when multiple groups are interacting for brief moments but when the entire game is just a magnifying glass over one company (and the mechanicus shitbags it interacts with) they should have more so you can have enjoyable characterization.
I just don't think making the 6 into a deathwatch squad and saying they all come from a non-ultra chapter really adds anything besides the occasional
>of course he would say that
>>536590169
Its a better solution than trying to bring along a 4th marine on deployment as if Captain Acheran won't shit out an entire landraider at the very thought of a number bigger than 3. Or only deploying 3 and just hoping that you're the team that actually needed him more.
>custom* lightweight power cell that has compatible dimensions
See, already spitballing solutions. Should get some of the useless tech priests out of a job workshopping a solution in exchange for not killing them without trial for fucking around with necron tech underneath their Burial World. Someone voicing the problem is the first step to a solution. Necessity is the mother of invention and, in this case, wrathful annoyance is its drunken step father.

My friend and I are playing blood raven sternguard vets.

>>536591813
When all the operations marines are either caricatures or flavorless hard tack that are only ultramarines in color scheme they have even less character than if they were just caricatures attached to fitting chapters.
>grrrr I am angry
>hurr durr but we blew it up
>me want kill I am a raging retard
But he has zero background to justify his comically unreasonable belligerence and stupidity and he doesn't hail from a chapter with a culture of such a thing, he's just a subversive character for the sake of it.

>>536593105
>But he has zero background
Do you want lore blurbs or shorts showing how these guys came to be? Do you want a monologue about his life as a hive ganger or how his family beat the shit out of him during missions? All of their quirks could be very reasonably explained by any background you want to give them.
>comically unreasonable belligerence
Most of it is pretty reasonable in the context of having to suffer through minutes of dumb book keeping minutia while fending off various killing machines. I'd be pretty fucking miffed about having to press yet more buttons to set my explosive charge while a carnifex is trying to eat me or having to capture alive the literal brain-in-a-jar that was attracting half a dozen zoanthropes to kill me.
It's played for comedy because he embraces being a simple brute but he's rarely unreasonable. Even fucking with his teammates has a purpose, iron sharpens iron. He's a cock but all his challenges and competitions can keep them keener, drive them to be better, than they otherwise would have.

>>535934037
a codpiece with bonding studs

>>536594260
If the game can't go through the effort to justify why the ultramarine is a raging nigger I'd rather he just act like an ultramarine. Nobody else is constantly so stupid and angry, he effectively has the patience and temper of a literal child.
Media used to have stereotypes because stereotypes were often true in many ways. People overwhelmingly came from cultures that ensured they often shared views, values and preferences, this is still true of some countries today.
Space marine chapters are similarly meant to have cultures that similarly instill shared values and preferences, but none of the SM2 marines act like they have anything in common. In addition to chapter culture, space marines go through a physical transformation that often has unique quirks to their chapter or brings the space marines physically and mentally closer to their primarch.
Random, basic personalities with no origin or justification that just materialized out of thin air are not interesting or even reasonable in this context.

>>536595236
>I'd rather he just act like an ultramarine.
So you just want valius and valius 2?
>Nobody else is constantly so stupid and angry
Scipius is pretty fucking stupid and straban gets angry often enough.
>he effectively has the patience and temper of a literal child.
Nigger he's literally in a life of death fight with the fate of hundreds of thousands of lives, at minimum, at stake if you're not going to get angry that your extremely precious time is getting wasted because of bureaucratic horseshit or cunt sorcerers when your job is to be as aggressive as inhumanly possible then there's something wrong with you.
>instill shared values and preferences
And they do, they just don't have carbon copy personalities.
>space marines go through a physical transformation that often has unique quirks to their chapter or brings the space marines physically and mentally closer to their primarch
And it isn't that massive or else the heresy would never have happened like it did.
>materialized out of thin air
What? They're people, they have personalities as a result of that. They have lived experiences and genetics which have shaped how they view the universe and their job, its not magically coalesced out of the aether.
>not reasonable
His job is to orbital drop into the middle of the fiercest resistance on the planet, kill literally everything around him, and hope that he can fight his way to an extraction before the rest of whatever army he just decapitated collapses on top of him how the fuck is being belligerent not reasonable?

>>536596949
>Scipius is pretty fucking stupid and straban gets angry often enough.
I'd say Scipius is more overly self-reliant and greedy than "stupid." He doesn't really see his team as a unit a lot of the time, but as assets to improve his own performance. He gets personally offended at the idea of Straban's strategy to instead leave Scipius taking out targets after Straban is done weakening the chaff, because in Scipius' head, that just sounds like clean-up detail and isn't suited for his talents.

>>536596949
>So you just want valius and valius 2
I'd rather they all act similar to the space marine 1 squad, you know, ultramarines.
>Scipius is pretty fucking stupid and straban gets angry often enough
All scipius is is flavorlessly edgy and straban is autistically emotionless.
>Nigger he's literally in a life of death fight with the fate of hundreds of thousands of lives
All of them are and he's the only raging nigger on the squad.
>And they do, they just don't have carbon copy personalities
Absolutely nothing indicates they have literally anything in common, they are a metropolitan assortment of random people just shoved together.
>And it isn't that massive or else the heresy would never have happened like it did
It was unusual that the majority of each legion didn't immediately side with their primarch.
>They're people, they have personalities as a result of that
They're space marines that are supposed to have a shared culture and have experienced similar trials and a hypno-indoctrination course unique to their chapter. They should all have personalities and views that generally align to some degree.
>His job is to orbital drop into the middle of the fiercest resistance on the planet, kill literally everything around him, and hope that he can fight his way to an extraction before the rest of whatever army he just decapitated collapses on top of him how the fuck is being belligerent not reasonable
And he's the only raging nigger.
Space marines are supposed to have similar personality and views based on their chapter, it's how the black templars are some of the angriest motherfuckers in the imperium, one of the biggest chapters, some of the most unflinchingly dogmatic space marines, and literally not one of them has fallen to khorne in the thousands of years they've existed as a chapter.

I'm genuinely hopeless at this point that bolters will ever feel good, that elites will stop being unsatisfying bullet sponges or that chaos will stop being anti-fun. It will be this bad until end of service.

>>536605972
What do you think bolters should perform like?

>>536594963
I need my marine to look like a big spikey dildo or else I am giving up on this game

>>536605972
ngl i was surprised both abr and hbr are pretty good in 9.0, plasma is only the better choice because in absolute the game throws a shitton of enemies on you

>>536606350
Automatic bolters shouldn't be oriented towards headshots, they shouldn't penetrate targets, they should do massive damage to a single target per shell and inflict massive impact to match. A warrior should have some sort of reaction when a miniature grenade explodes in his chest cavity.
They should have small mags, they should have small total ammo counts, they should kill gaunts in a single bodyshot and warriors in ten.
An auto bolt rifle should nuke a couple warriors in a few seconds and then your mag is empty and that's a fifth of your ammo gone, a heavy bolter should absolutely sweep the field and chain stagger pretty much everything it hits short of a carnifex.
The stalker should compete with the las fusil against elites on headshots and the sniper bolt rifle should solidly exceed both in that field, the sniper bolt rifle should be making warrior and CSM heads fucking explode in at most two shots.
Then class perks come in and make them even better.
Bolters should feel as punchy and impactful and powerful as the ones in darktide.

>>536607151
Abr is not good at all. There's nothing it does that the hbr can't and the hbr is kind of shitty outside of gaunt duty.
>>536610345
I also think the bolt guns should be more powerful. Darktide did it right. That said I wonder how the bolt guns would feel if there is no penetration at all. Part of what makes the hbr good for trash duty is the fact that it natively has 4 pene. I highly doubt they will make all bolt guns explosive, but I think increasing damage drastically - and I mean drastically, because 10% here and there will maybe change the breakpoint by 3 bullets. They'd have to buff the damage of bolters by like doubled or tripled. For example the accuracy bolt rifle only requires 18 headshots or so to kill a melee warrior. To halve that they'd have to raise the damage from 4.86 or whatever it is by 400% so it's closer to 18 damage.

>>536610345
>A warrior should have some sort of reaction when a miniature grenade explodes in his chest cavity.
we're in the dawn of war, not the boltgun universe unfortunately.

>>536592078
Nice

post code or ur gay

>>536611181
Swarms are smaller than they look, a 40 round heavy bolt rifle with no penetration that instantly kills gaunts by head or body would probably still clear them just fine.
Don't need to make them actual grenade launchers, they're not really described like that, they should just be massive damage hoses that nuke whatever they directly impact.

Scipius characterization in campaign/operations
>cautious to a fault
>proud in his own skill to the point he won't take advice from others, only quartus has a positive interaction with him regarding his sniper role
>pragmatic, more concerned with the practical uses of the codex than following it to the letter
Scipius characterization in siege
>I have eyes!
>and they are good!

>Titan weapon just minced through Monoliths
Easy mission

>>536612319
Thing is penetration does actually help with chaff clear, a lot too. You don't really need it to push horde back since they stagger one another but extra damage and a chance to headshot multiple helps tremendously.

https://youtu.be/x2jxql0Lfao?feature=shared

In this video I recorded using the abr and smg, vs using a hbr and heavy bolter at around the 4 minutes mark. The clear speed is a lot better for the latter two, in part thanks to the higher penetration stat

>>536611181
Hence the occasional suggestion brought up that they should cut the amount of ammo bolt weapons have and boost their damage by the commensurate amount. Half mag and half reserve, double damage. Theoretically less than double the DPS because you will reload more often, but the burst speed will be there.

>>536616267
I agree with that entirely. I did some math for the bolt weapons and sent a feedback to Saber a few days ago, cuz Jesus is it bad. The abr needs 45 goddamn rounds to kill a single warrior at relic with no extra perks. It's just ridiculous. Sure you can get 25% more damage + like a bunch of temporary buffs to get maybe like 50? 70?% extra damage, but that's still like 22 rounds if you get doubled damage. And that's assuming every shot is a headshot. I suggested that bolt weapons need a hell a lot more damage, like quadrupled, to make them more satisfying to use, but lower the total ammo capacity of magazine and reserve to adjust maintain similar overall damage.

>>536553068
It won't be. Two weeks ago someone asked CM similar question and they went and they said one more classs will be getting the pyeblaster.

>>536626876
That'd be pretty strange balancing, because if they still can't restrict your melee weapon based on your primary then whichever other class gets the gun (presumably tactical) will just be the better user for the gun

I think whoever choose to do make the Salamander the sniper skin just really liked the scout company stuff in the Nick Kyme novels

>>536648195
they just took the alpha legion skin and made it loyalist, don't overthink it.

THE XENOS' HUNGER IS INSATIABLE
BUT THE IMPERIUM IS INDOMITABLE

never change saber

>>536656378
I'm not even mad anymore.

>>536656378
not sure what's the problem here. the goal was to get people hyped and buy the game, right? and the tutorial is perfect for that. people. if they showed operations or, god forbid, the siege, people would have laughed and walked away

>>536657681
>and the tutorial is perfect for that. people. if they showed operations
brb going to kms

>>536612350
He also accepted Valius’ offer to help him mark targets, showing that he’s willing to put aside his pride in certain situations.

>>536650258
that involves even more overthinking since the only assets they share is the hood and base body that all the phobos bodies use

So is there any benefit to using the block fist now? Balanced hits all the majoris breakpoints and still gives you a safety cushion to knock back lictors ect with a gun strike, which were some of the only enemies I didn’t like facing with block fist.

>>536648195
On the surface it’s fine, all chapters use all types of troops sure, but we’re hardly spoiled for choice when it comes to space marine action games. So they should stick to the cover art stuff for chapters first, give the stereotypes and then go for niche stuff down the line. Sucks even more knowing heavy is getting a flamer

>>536659304
I hate this conversation. Use whatever the fuck you like best. Are you patient and like big hits? Use Block. You just wanna mash? Fencing. You wanna do a bit of both? Balance. This isn't hard why the fuck does it need to be spelled out?

>>536660854
>fencing fist
Your break points?

>>536661296
>HURRRR BREAKPOINTS HURRRRR
Man just post your name so I can blacklist you, fucking faggot. BREAKPOINTS HURRRR Just hit and don't get hit. BREAKPOINTS he says. BREAKPOINTS he cries, like anyone has time to be counting hits in a fight, you fucking pretentious bitch. Goddamn Mars Mechanicum dog trying to larp as a fucking Astartes, get the fuck off my board.

>>536659304
Imo the best thing about the balance fist is the cleave, not having to worry about a few minoris blocking your wave is very nice.

>>536661840
you sound like you don't know what ttk is

>>536661840
Oooooohhh! Breakpoints! Ooh-oooooh! Spooky scary TTK! They’re coming for you anon!

>>536661840
anon's point: broken

>>536662139
>>536663060
>TTK'S W-WHAT ABOUT TTK'S?!?!? ARE YOU BEING SUBOPTIMAL?!?!?!??

Brainrotted fags. Nothing will ever be fun for you and I feel sorry for anyone that has to deal with your brand of gayness.

ooga booga

>>536615574
Gaunts are rarely so densely packed and at a good enough angle that you're ever headshotting more than one with a single bolt, overwhelmingly you're headshotting one and maybe staggering another, probably missing any heads fairly often if you're just blasting into a swarm.

>>536665319
Tonight… the ghost of TTK will haunt you in your sleep…..
You’ll hear a word… Breakpoints!
But you’ll look around… and no one will be there!
OoooOooooOoooOooh

>>536665319
>this power fist one shot majoris on full charge
>this one does not
NOOO IT DOESNT MATTER

the negative cleave on fencing is unacceptable and the negative speed on block is unacceptable.

>>536675863
Eh I don’t mind fencing having a big draw back when it’s pretty much training wheels, block having a big draw back is fucked up because while strong it also has the most risk. At least balanced has a niche now. But honestly i’d rather have a few stat spreads that I could pick independently of the parry type.

>>535934037
REALLY starting to feel the content drout now. They had everything going for them and just let it die.

>>536658749
Turning space marine armor into light armor just looks so horrible. The midriff and legs are an assault on my senses.

>>535934037
Helbrute chaos pvp mode.
Power axe.
Black Jobblar champion.
Modifiers game mode with cosmetic unlocks.
Chaos spawn melee majoris.
Chaos armors.
New season pass.

Maaaybe they'll include the pyroblaster. Don't expect tech marine until update 11 at the upmost earliest.

>>536667563
It's true. Which is why I mentioned that whether it's worth the ammo used is up to the user.

>>536679457
Pyro cannon is likely to be there, since it's been shown off. Typically if they show something off in a community post esp as media it means it's ready

>>536505203
His VA also does 40K audiobooks.

>>536679457
I shall still wait like a schizo for Chaplain or Apothecary to be playable. Its gonna be so cool and they will patch every little issue.

>>536685262
You're gonna be waiting till sm3 drops then lol

>>536685262
bulwark is the apo

>>536679457
The power axe is going to have to be insanely strong for me
to ever take the power fist off of assault, that class needs all the power it can get.

how would you fix regular bolt pistol

Block knife on tactical feels really nice, probably because they didn’t give it speed 1 like the others

>>536689392
Give it something outside of damage. I mean, ideally for all ranged weapons the ammo pool shouldn't be tied to just 1 variant, but that's beside the point. I would like to see it have a faster gunstrike. It's perks are setup in a way that favors close range combat. Giving it that would make it feel a lot nimbler. The gunstrike damage is already pretty good atm. Some have suggest full auto but the assault bolter is already doing that, even if we can't use it yet. Also a faster fire rate cap would be great.

>>536689392
let me sprint while shooting it

>>536689392
rapid fire

god i hate not having block. the block mechanic lets you react so much faster. if you parry a carnifext you have to sit through a parry animation then he just hits you again. but with bock you can block attacks then stagger who ever you want. the free armor and damage is just a bonus

>>536690593
Carnifex doesn't get staggered by parrying, so you're sitting through the animation no matter what.
Hell, balanced and fencing let you get a swing or two in between parrys without wasting stacks.

>>536691045
You can still whack the carnifex but because he doesn't get staggered like you said you can't really capitalize on your heavy attacks. Carnifex is just not greatly designed.

>>536690593
>react faster
>low speed
LMAO

If you want to be fast, use Fencing

>>536689392
Make it automatic like in the dawn of war intros.

>>536692390
this game is much more fun than sm2 and it's a shoddy ai remaster

>>536692297
weapon speed is only the delay between attacks. im talking about how fencing and balanced has a long animation while block is just a quick *tink* then you regain control of your character

Lord please let the datamined heroic weapons be a higher tier of weapons and not just skins.

>>536693486
An extra 10% base damage isn't gonna make all that much difference

>>536693572
It will for some weapons.

I hate tourists so fucking much it's unreal.

>>536695051
Sure it won't for the vast majority of weapons. With how damage is calculated rarity bonus gives very little unless the difference is big. I mean, damage variants work exactly in this way and for the majority of weapons the miniscule increase changes very little in terms of ttk and breakpoints.

>>536697715
Explain

>>536697882
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Na7vwiBjU

Homeboy made an hour long video ranking the founding Space Marine chapters and he and his buddy got exposed as surface level tourists.

>>536698205
Oh. Sorry that it happened/good for you.

Vanguard is a joke of a class. Its so bad.

>>536698510
He's basically carried by his team perk. My man's got some pretty sad output

>>536697715
you're an Iron Hands fan aren't you?

>>536698510
bro your bolt carbine?

>>536697715
>Imperial Fists: A
>Iron Warriors: C
Based, now THIS guy knows what he’s talking about
Finally a tier list I can get behind

>>536689868
>>536689941
Faster gunstrike animation and recovery, can be fired while sprinting. That would be more than enough. You would deliberately take the standard BP on a melee centric character so that you can start piling on damage onto ranged enemy units while you run into melee, which could definitely help a lot with breakpoints.

>>536701480
If that actually happened literally every decent player would just start using the regular BP, no one would use anything else because the safety of faster gunstrikes is well worth the small loss of damage
It would also severely lower the value of “you can’t be staggered/knocked back” perks because a lot of people take those so they don’t get punished for taking bad gunstrikes
So you’ve just created the opposite problem

>>536703960
>It would also severely lower the value of “you can’t be staggered/knocked back” perks
Wow its almost like it allows you to take other perks

>>536703960
It would give a reason to use the BP. Keep in mind that the BPs gunstrike is only on par with the HBP if you have the damage one, and it doesn't have the chp recovery like plasma pistol, hbp or hell even the neo volkite if you know what you're doing. If you're using other versions the BP provides mediocre gunstrike damage, terrible ammo econ for anything bigger than a minoris, and in general just boring to use. It also depends entirely on how the gunstrike is sped up, and by how much.

>>536705265
Not worth it in this case

>>536698510
What gun were you running? You should have more ranged damage than that. The only bad part of vanguard is that the chain grappling build needs you to do something to soften the target up at range first but after that you can deal mondo damage to groups of majoris with complete safety

>>536707805
carbine. vanguard just doesn't do damage.

>quick play ops
>heavy wit plasma teammate
>get to stand around and do nothing all game
they literally ruined the game to try to make it hard for heavy plasma and its still a cake walk.

>>536710409
i do plenty when running with bolt carbine, like 5-6k melee and 18k plus ranged
do you have gunstrike reload on your carbine? It's necessary if you don't want to feel like shit in every other encounter because you're stuck reloading your primary damage tool

>>536710721
Shhh don’t let the meltatards hear you, we don’t want them to touch heavy plasma

>>536697715
That one was so weird, i watched it aswell.
He instantly puts blood angels S tier because of sanguinius during the siege and because blood angels have to overcome their flaws and because Sanguinius fought Angron.
Ok? Space wolves have the curse of the wulfen and Lemand fought Angron aswell, why are they only B what the fuck?
Night Lords in S and Alpha Legion in D, i have no words.

>>536711604
I know it's crazy but it's an opinion list

>>536710721
the solution to op plasma weapons is make it so the damage spreads out on all the targets

>>536711604
because furry curse is dumb cringe while vampire curse is tragic and shakespearean

I have Blood Angels fatigue
Blood Angels are the modern Ultramarines with how much their fans peddle them around
I don’t care that your primarch died
I don’t care that you crash out regularly
And every time I see a shitty low-effort meme where you look at some random enemy and go ‘HORUUUSS XD’ you look like a damn clown
Sit down

Imperial fist's ENTER moment in the Storm of Iron book is real kino, ngl

>>536707363
The marine fires it from the hip instead of at eye level and completes it in 2/3rds the time.

>>536714134
I wonder how easy it is to modify the speed of a gunstrike animation.

>>536714783
It's a canned animation with the camera close in at chest height so that the player cannot see his marine sliding and rotating into place, can't hide it for other players obviously. All that would be is a different pose, and the spin and the transition out back to normal gameplay being completed faster.

>>536713398
For me I have more fatigue with Space Wolves and Salamanders however i guess its natural for many of the Legions.

Even my favourites from this founding, Death Guard, White Scars, Word Bearers and Imperial Fist are starting to feel old.

>>536716235
There’s just a huge influx of normalfags getting into 40K who latch onto the BA and the “everything is Horus” meme and then spam it everywhere for some reason

>>536713398
>fatigue
Ultramarines
Blood Ravens
Space Wolves
Blood Angels
Black Templars
Dark Angels
Lamenters
Raptors
Crimson Fists
Flesh Tearers

>>536717008
How do you even get Magpie fatigue when they are generally confined to their games and their self-contained stories?

>>536717437
Speaking for the dude, I only just started playing Dawn of War 1 due to the definitive edition which is a fun game but the fatigue isn't from being overused, it's just the community has 1 joke which is them being thieves.

>>536717437
he wasn't on 4chan back then so he thinks blood raven memes originated on reddit

>>536711604
>first tour(ist) guardsman has full retard opinions on the 18 legions
I mean, what were you expecting

>>536717721
>the community has 1 joke
Exactly
They are so minor in the grand scheme of things that they have 1 joke total poking fun at them. Granted, having a suit of Custodes armor and Vulkan's hammer(?) is a very very big joke of a deal, but its all apocryphal anyway.

>>536717437
Their fans never shut the fuck up, especially here, and think they’re OG and not secondaries because they started in 2004 but they’re not

>>536021239
beaky blinders
only mk6 helmet allowed

>>536719072
But we are, no one on 4chan is a tabletop faggot from the 80s-90s.

>>536720536
Is that you peaky blinder fren

>>536717008
>Raptors
>Crimson Fists
??

>>536721027
Yeah DoW got me into 4th edition when I was young.

Don't mess with the Amazing Spider-Man!

>>536727162
kek

>>536727162
Arachbid hominem!

>>536717437
are you new?
they're everywhere during the 1st month of sm2
only dangels and bts were more common

>>536736939
I am going be honest, I been playing since day 1 and I swear I have only seen Blood Ravens once.

Salamanders, Black Templars, Dark Angels and Blood Angels were the most common.

I remember running into a Scythe of the Emperor lover a few times, he was really chill.

>>536738195
I am virtually always the only Blood Raven in my area. If its red it's a Blood Angel 99/100.

It appears there's "some" customization "overhaul" coming with 10.0. I shudder to think what they did this time. Colorable champion skins?
How long has it been since they announced this change? Two months? Three? They are doing the absolute bare minimum with this game..

>>536743037
i just need a destroyer trefoil to complete my vanguard skin

>>536743037
>Colorable champion skins?
We should be so luck. Maybe they added interchangeable heads like we saw before. For Saber even slight UI polish is considered 'fresh and great change!' (UI really could use a refresh though, imo)

>>536711725
Making tier list when you don't know half the lore behind the legions is insane behaviour.

>>536743037
>Colorable champion skins?
I doubt it. I expect that you'll be able to lift the armour pieces off the champion skins and mix them with other armour, but only if you use the chapter that the champion skin was for (so if you want the DA champion winged helmet, you can have it on a bulwark skin that uses the preset DA colour scheme, but if you want it on another class or in another colour or with another colour or even want to customize said dark angel to have specific decals, you're not getting anything).
This is just based on what they've said about the feature with a healthy dose of pessimism about what saber can accomplish. They've surprised me positively before, but more often the surprise is negative.

>>536743037
>"overhaul"
"there are some custo updates" does not mean "THE customisation update". It merely means they added some new parts.

>>536746540
>"there are some custo updates" does not mean "THE customisation update". It merely means they added some new parts.
We'll see :^)

>>536746768
ok that's actually worse. It's not "teehee I pretend I misunderstood the question I'm such a silly girl" it's "the suits are still not sure if we will release the broken WIP version or roll it back"

>>536747181
That hylia bitch gets on my fucking nerve.

>>536743037
Skin color change so I can make vespasius darker than decimus?

>>536753978
Initially the idea was that you can swap heads of our Operations Dudes plus some face customization like facial hair and whatnot, but who knows what they actually went with.

>>536755260
Straban looks a lot less intimidating with his mask off. He also looks vaguely east Asian with it on.

>>536711604
Leman jobbed to angron despite supposedly being the emperors executor, while sanguinius btfos demon angron with an izuna drop after making him cry

I'm fortifying this thread.

>>536756401
You mean he looks Slavic.

>>536775271
i thought straban looked slavic too

>>536757165
>butchers nails'd brainless dumbfucks grind themselves into bloody chunks of meat against angel gate
>yeah brah blood angels are TEH GOAT
the remnants of the iron hands and ferrus' rotting corpse could have been manning that gate and the result would have been the same

>>536782228
The World Eaters are a very effective fighting force, especially with Angron at the helm. Don't forget, the Wolves got their asses bear by the World Eaters before. Sure, their goal was to prove a point, but they still lost the battle.
Rage us a powerful weapon in 40k, and it's made very clear to the reader that being juiced up by archaeotech rammed into their brainstems while a god of blood feeds them power only lets Angron and his Legion be half as mind shatteringly pissed off as Sanguinius and his sons at best.

this game is good but man the grind sucks

>>536794594
once you're done with the grind you put the game aside because there's nothing to do.

>>536795665
Yeah I finished the all prestige 4 grind months ago, now I don’t even play the game, I just shitpost here and wait for updates while I play other stuff
I might play an Absolute or two for fun while I’m drunk but that’s about it

So which, if any, of the 40k books are actually worth reading?

>>536806758
Eisenhorn is a nice series, a few from the earlier Horus Heresy books were neat. I also enjoyed Execution Hour.

>>536806758
Night Lords trilogy.

>>536806758
I'm almost done with storm of iron and this one is kino. It made me understand the (justified) incel rage of the iron warriors, and their rivalry with the imperial fists. They are truly the janitors of the imperial.

>>536814131
If you liked that you’d like Graham McNeill’s other work, his Ultramarines Omnibus is what got me into 40K. Especially the book Warriors of Ultramar, which is in my opinion the best Tyranid-focused book made yet.

>>536814901
OK I'll check it out. I'm glad I picked this one up, since it's by a stroke luck that I found it at all. I wanted to write some more phantom link lore (as seen here >>536054891 >>536055921), and the scale of the conflict on hydra cordatus is perfect for the Phantoms to have skirmishes with the iron warriors (janitors)

Does someone have the phantom links chapter card? I forget if Ferre et fervescere / Furtim est option is the battle cry or chapter motto

Uh oh. Retard.

should i stick as close as possible with my teammates?

>>536825151
you should be in shooting range of them

>its a host leaves the game as soon as the score screen is up so i can't speed through the stats
fucking hate this shit

>>536827691
Oops unfinished one.

>>536830301
Marvelous. As I was reading the iron warrior book, i realized that they have a pretty cool battle cry. They also have a litany of hate. Perhaps the phantom links can have a sort of battle litany as well?

I'll probably try to cook something up with the iron warriors and the phantom links. Or specifically the Jeet-anitor warband, of the assault on hydra cordatus when the imperial fist force made their presence known during the imperial nightraid on the demonic cannons.

what the fuck are tacts thinking when they take the +30% contested hp on ranged damage perk? both +15% ranged damage and the grenade vendor perk are amazing.

>>536832782
The hardest part of any coop game is that you are playing with other people.

>>536832782
It's a shame that the tactical has such a strict meta build. You basically only switch a column based your primary but everything else is pretty much set in stone. Like wtf would anyone take improved efficiency (ironic name) over battlefocus? Or not take emperors vengeance?

Does anyone know what the solutions are for long loading screens both into and out of missions? I know mine are abnormally long because whenever I finish loading in, my two teammates are already run off way ahead fighting/starting wave 1. Everything I see online says its internet related, but I have good download speed and have sub-50 ping when I host missions. Do I need to put the game on an SSD?

>>536832782
It used to be in contention with the +ranged damage, because it saved a lot of HP over a run and IIRC the ranged damage buff was less
Then they added the grenade regen and that’s the only option

yikes!

>>536836786
... Your game isn't on a ssd?

>>536837942
wow
block looks terrible
just run balanced

>>536837057
I'm fairly certain the ranged damage buff was always 15% since it had always add up to 25% with balanced distribution. I think it's probably because they failed to mention early that it only affected RANGED damage chp recovery. Once they changed that description it just fell off.

>>536839783
just trying is, looks like with the bock buff you have time to do a sprint attack plus a 2x attack for the infinite stagger

>>536840301
It's probably better if you just charge your thrust jab there instead. The powerfist has hyper armour during the charge so you can 1 shot at least half of those dudes.

>>536839589
No, that's why I'm asking if it'll help. Everywhere I look online about loading screens is some combination of "poor internet" and "that's just how the game is for everyone."

>>536840761
Most games nowadays are so big that the devs will never recommend installing them on a hdd. The load time is atrocious but only because we have to see it so frequently between loading into battle barges and missions. Otherwise each loading screen is just OK, given you're not using a hdd. I'm amazed that people still install moden games on hdd.

>>536839783
looks like balanced also one shots majoris, but its hard to choose. the block mechanic itself is really good for ground pounds

>>536837942
Why didn’t you just ground pound once you had your block stacks numnuts

>>536841048
Ok thanks, I will try it on an SSD then.
It's because I put in some TB HDDs 6+ years ago and just wanted to get use out of them and have never had loading screens as egregious as SM2 in any other game.

>>536841320
block is really good with the chainsword animation cancel because the first hit comes out really fast to do the explosion and then you get a buffed shoulder bash

>>536842815
Actually you don't have to full throttle cancel at all. You can still get 2 light attacks and a shoulder bash regardless of the tech. The damage will be the same.

>>536844547
i dont think thats true any more. the new block chainsword is so cucked that throttle cancel is actually good on it

>>536832782
saber took note the only way to play siege is meltabombspam and will be nerfing it in the next patch, people are already anticipating it and looking for an alternative build.

>>536837942
Does the block buff really not even last long enough to charge a power fist?

>>536848812
It doesn’t start ticking down until you land a melee attack, you’re fully free to back off and fully charge a punch

>>536845634
Nope. It's true. The misconception is that the old chainswords can get more than 2 shoulder bashes in during adrenaline surge, but it was never able to, even with the artificer one. I have video evidence of this. This is why for specifically during adrenaline surge the chainsword got an objective upgrade. Outside of that though, it feels rough.

https://youtu.be/OsrNB8GZDOE?feature=shared

Go to around 8:35 or so.

>>536850362
that video is before patch 9.0

>>536851096
Yes, to prove that they could never get 2 shoulder bashes out.

>>536832080
Just please don't just use Ai or at least the Ai this guy >>536056957
was using its just comes off half baked and sounds half thought out

>>536852383
That was all me lol I didn't use AI for it at all. If it were id be shitting it out and you probably wouldn't have thought it was AI

>>536852781
>and you probably wouldn't have thought it was AI
no anon, everyone can tell. please don't do it.

>>536855471
Well no reason to start using it. The fun was always in writing it

>>536850362
Can block chainsword still get 2 shoulder bashes during adrenaline surge?

>>536859402
no. it cant do anything now

>>536859402
Nah dude it was never able to do that. It was always 2 empowered light + 1 shoulder bash. It doesn't matter if you're fully throttle canceling or not. It's either L1, L2 H3 or L2 H3 L1. Same damage output during adrenaline surge.

>>536863409
Not the same damage output - same combo. The current chainsword has damage out the ass.

lol rewatching a replay when i was drunk. i died then rejoined the same game and immediately lost all my hp. i didnt die for the rest of the run though

As a tactical, is it worth it to use the block chainsword even though it has such a terrible speed? Having no parry coupled with a weapon speed of 1 seems incredibly risky to me

>>536871517
yes block is really good on tactical if you use auspex on parry. you can block then left click to kill what ever it was attacking you. with balanced or fencing you have to sit through the parry animation then sit through a gun strike animation. plus with block when you have two stack you can infinite stagger anything in your way to get out of a bad situation

>>536871517
You should, but consider instead: block knife

>>536871756
what do you mean by infinite stagger? Isn't the bonus damage from perfect block lost after you do a melee attack?

>>536871517
tactical has the worst defenses of any class, the only way you can be defensive is to be highyl aggressive, but if yorue doing that you mighty as well play vanguard

>>536872274
For the duration of the block buff (about 2 seconds) your attacks keep doing 90% extra damage and their extra stagger (enough to stagger anything in the game with a stagger animation)

>>536872274
the block buff triggers when you do a melee attack and for two seconds you stagger everything that can be staggered. the only thing in the game that cant be staggered is a carnifex. even if a lictor is doing a red leap attack on you, you can shoulder bash it with the block buff and stagger it since you have such a big hitbox

>>536871517
No, block is dogshit now.

Only retards play a low speed weapon.

As a Tactical you shouldn't be in melee anyway, your Auspex plus guns will make everything die.

When are these cannon fodder vodka chimps going to do another dev blog? They said they were going to have more info about patch 10 soon but its coming out in 2 weeks.

>>536874207
Either tomorrow or Friday.

>>536874207
they have been uploading on the last day of the month which happens to be Sunday for August so don't hold your breath for tomorrow. It's either Friday or next week.

does targeted shot apply to all of the shots fired in lingering stealth?

>>536874029
im using the block knife on siper. it seems pretty good

>>536492475
He's passionate about what he does

How do I use the Block weapon type for Assault to get the big damage attack? Is Power Sword any good on Assault and do I use the orange or purple tier block weapon?

>>536492475
The exaggerated swagger of a Black space marine...

>>536900414
>How do I use the Block weapon type for Assault to get the big damage attack?
You parry twice and then attack, like with all the other classes.
>Is Power Sword any good on Assault
I'd say it's among his weakest weapons since chainsword makes for a better wacking stick and power fist and thunder hammer both are good at charged attacks, but it should serve well enough.
>do I use the orange or purple tier block weapon?
As of 9.0 the golden tier is always the best version, using purple weapons was only a thing back when weapons had basically random stats across the variants.

Anyone wanna squad up?

>>536903357
with a lamenter?

Community update due for tomorrow, Brothers.

Community update due for tomorrow, Brothers. (6 PM Paris time)
-Release date of 10.0 will be given
-Approximate release date of Techmarine
-Full presentation of BT Champion + one more Champion skin
-S2 Year pass will reveal most chapters with others still being redacted (so they may not now yet or are undecided as to which ones we'll be getting)

>>536910159
>Techmarine
>BT Champion
Don't care. When will they fucking fix customization already.

>>536910159
>announcing the announcement date of the announcement date
wow. such community management. very professionalism.

>>536910589
Yeah, nobody could get anything concise out of the redhead (see >>536743037 and >>536746768)
Basic gestalt: "tee hee you'll see what's in store for you". Honestly, it's bullshit and I wouldn't count on that major overhaul we've all been waiting for in 10.0.

also what the fuck is
>6 PM Paris time
are you a frog anon and discord adjusted the time for you, or are the official saber announcements in hylia time now?

>>536911816
Nah. Pic related is verbatim from the discord.
Blame the french (i.e. Hylia), Brother.

>>536912176
>Blame the french
I certainly always do, Brother.

I wonder if we hit the bumplimit before 10.0 is released. inb4 the big news is they bring back PTS

>>536910589
Preaching to the choir Brother. It looks like they spent last two months doing fuck all. There's no other way around it. If it was the opposite they'd be creaming themselves trying to tease all the new changes.

>>536921326
> It looks like they spent last two months doing fuck all.
what is vacation

>>536923356
>vacation
Oh please. What are they? Schoolchildren? We might be talking about games but this is business. Besides they're not exactly doing 9 to 5 shifts in coal mines out there.
Two weeks of holidays and back to work. Like any human being.

>>536914524
maybe

>>536914524
Why wouldn't we? Thread's moving at a nice pace.

It's gonna be rad to have Xenophase blade for the Power Sword. I hope they're going to add nice effects to it + really good stats considering it's a "Heroic tier".

>>536883518
No only the first

>>536902158
Powersword is definitely not the weakest. That's the thunderhammer.

>>536933420
Would give me a reason to make a DW Bulwark and finally use that stupid shield I got at Prestige 4

>>536923356
nta but you say that as if the customization just accidentally went to shit recently.
it came out the gate being shit. a year ago.

>>536924348
If you spiritually accept Sweden you too can have month long vacations.

>>536939205
Did they ever fix it so it doesn't float a foot away from your arm?

for assault should i take ranged damage perk or the free grenade perk?

Just wish he had slightly better terminus damage but ping ponging between warriors isn't bad DPS provided you can set it up

>>536952158
You do this

>>536954794
this is mine right now. i switched to all block weapons, chainsword, fist, powersword. i think the 20% ranged damage is really good but a free grenade can do things that extra ranged damage cant, so its a useful tool to have. i might switch to winged fury if they fix it in patch 10. i like having the option to jumpack dodge to style on the ai, the competing perks dont do anything anyways

>>536954651
I wish his grapple didn't have a retarded range minimum to use, I wish the aiming of it wasn't so fucked, and I wish there was a better way to know if an enemy is in execute range.

>>536957594
Yeah, lots of QoL shit would be really good for grapple launcher stuff or just let him proc it off normal executes for less effect since a ping pong build should never run out of grapple charge anyways

>>536955292
Overcharge might not be the only choice you can make there, since block weapons I find don't really need it for a lot of breakpoints. Could be wrong, but definitely not necessary in my experience. Same goes for knowledge of the enemy. Iirc you don't need it for funny extremis 1 shot with 2 adrenaline surge stacks. I think you can pick between that and strategic strike?

Overall in terms of core perks assault is pretty well balanced, and with block weapons you have a lot more options.

>>536958370
you can go armor reinforcement and not lose too much

>>536958556
Winged fury imo won't be worth it outside of PF and TH since they are the only ones that get more sprint attack damage. It currently works for the TH and it helps quite a bit with some nifty combo and distributing damage, but a huge problem it has is that it also kills minoris too easily you may find it difficult to get armour from gunstriking minoris. I mean there's a reason why sprint attacks did shit damage in the first place...

>>536955292
>i switched to all block weapons
Classic retard Assault

>he's back to baiting again
Here's your (you), @s, #s or whatever form of attention you need

>>536963703
people who know, know

>the fencingtards lash out in defeat now that their crutch is universally considered the worst melee type now
Sad to see, grace in defeat is a rare thing to see these days

what knife is the best for sniper?

balanced is better than both

>>536966452
fencing users moved to balanced
it's block users who insist on using an inferior melee type

>>536967303
the block mechanic itself is too powerful. they only made block weapons less fun to use since they are so slow now, but its still the best option.

what should i level up after sniper? anything but vanguard. my bro plays vanguard

>>536970141
Bulwark

>>536970482
is the t hammer viable? i didnt start playing until after 9.0 dropped so i still dont know if i should use block or not.

I went from Balanced to Fencing. I want the attack speed. Shelved Blood of Vossus in exchange for the nicer looking knife.

>>536971752
idk, i've only used hammer on assault and it's not great. It isn't awful either but powerfist is just the clearest winner of the dedicated melee class weapons.

>>536971752
Yes, but losing the shield is a big trade off for the bulwark, and the powerfist exists with its stupidly long range. Shame that both of them have useless light attacks atm. Sure as shit hope they get heavy stagger on minoris.

>>536972279
tell me fenclet
what is the purpose of attacking faster if
you deal no damage?

>>536979224
stagger.

>>536980354
Nta but block weapons can do that too... In fact they can stagger the hive tyrant and helbrute with their light attacks when the stacks are active.

what a shid show. i think the block power fist when you have block stock its best to charge up an attack instead of doing a sprint attack

>>536982231
You got it homeboy.

>>536979224
it's more fun

>>536983618
Chunky

Community update was going to be in just under 5 hours according to the discord people right?

>>536995731
Something something 6pm in frog country?

If by some miracle if Techmarines are released 10.0 I am going to definitely paint them as the Order of Ruin

>>536996575
Here's a good question about the techmarine
Will you be able to customize the techmarine's armour entirely, or will it be locked to just mechanicus red with just the shoulder pads being customizable? Maybe with black as a second option to enable iron hands and deathwatch techmarines?

>>536996781
Is there any reason to think we won't be able to customize the tech marines color?

techmarine is the lamest shit
we could've had space wizards or badass warrior monks
but no, we have to get the geek BAZINGA nerd with the robot tentacles
gay

>>536996781
I guarantee you can change it, mainly since Iron Hands, Death Watch, Order of Ruin and Space Wolves don't use Red ones, it will just be the default colours. I just hope it comes with armour to unlock just like the other classes, it seems obvious but Sabre has already disappointed me with champion skins.

>>536996853
nta and i initally laughed at anons suggestion, but then i realised techmarine will be extremely rushed and it wouldn't be out of character for saber to decide they will only give him a "champion" skin at launch with only the pauldron customizable to save time

>Techmarine
>no extra bolter arm
>if it does it'll be a grey/green bolter
>will take 2 more updates to replace it with a gold bolter
>will take 2 more updates after that to replace it with either a gold ABR/HBR

>>536996853
Saber/GW oversight being anal about canon colours (what if players use the customization to make a yellow techmarine aaaaa)
I would hope for full customization but I've been disappoinged before

>>536997139
The techmarine wears bigger, heavier armour than anyone in the current class list and carries a heavy bolter and the biggest fuck-off melee weapon in the game
He lifts and fucks

>>536997452
I see and fear that but I doubt it, if they do that and by some Tzeentch bastard plot add the champion skin as the Iron Priests to push more space wolves then i am going to end it.

>>536997452
What Armour is the techmarines depicted with? I'm assuming what the tactical wears, with some modifications? I highly doubt coloring will be unfinished but Armour parts depending on how much is shared might be treated as an afterthought, esp since saber is extra autistic with making sure most of the Armour don't clip.

>>536997585
>He lifts and fucks
Yeah, lifts his skirt and fucks men

August update where and when

>>537001871
3 hours

>>537001871
No august update
They're taking the extra time to give their all for the anniversary update instead (2 weapons, one new enemy with a few variants, maybe a halfbaked revamp of the customization system, possibly some bug fixes and balance updates, and if we're lucky even a map)
Herculean effort for sure

Season Pass Year 2 trailer Brothers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxtlJ06u_lc

>>537005013
We'll see how they deliver all that.

>>537005013
Trailer weapon compilation.

>>537005013
Vanity packs and Templar Champion skin

>>537005013
Hey, it's more than expected at least
The gameplay modifiers we see look like they aren't painful for the most part (picrel is going to be diabolical for block weapons though), the flamer is rebalanced on tactical so it's not strictly better than heavy's version, power axe confirmed for vanguard, and it'll be here in a week instead of a month.
Of course, bugs and balance issues are going to pile up even further I expect, but just not having to wait is at least a big nice bonus.
I guess the xenophase blade and combi-melta are not coming until next update though, judging by the roadmap? Shame, combi-melta sounds like a cool weapon to use (and would be even cooler if meltas were meltas). What were the other upgraded weapons expected to be again?

>>537005217
the same way they delivered things from the first one :^)

>>537005013
>mutalith vortex beast
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>537005723
Combi melta was unexpected but welcome, I hope they do other versions too like the combi plasma
>>537005217
I didn’t think the space sharks would get a pack, especially before blood ravens

>>537006306
Raptors cosmetics could be very nice for non-raptors chapters
Just gotta hope that the pieces aren't overemblazoned with the chapter icon

>>537005723
So the trailer mentions all 5 weapons but the year plan only says 3 weapons for the update and the rewards for stratagems in next one
I wonder which is the true one

>>537006515
Very real

>>537006818
Looks like it'd take a long time before this fucker shows up though.
>>537005013
Pyre blaster too huh. I really hope its on for more than just tactical and vanguard...

>>537005013
I just want games to release in a complete state I fucking hate this dripfeed shit everyone's doing

Where's ironhand bro now? He's got his wishes.

>>537005013
And there's this piece of work which isn't mention anywhere. This is a thumbnail for the video. Rewards for Stratagem mode or new rewards for Ordeals?

>Carcharodons got in before Blood Ravens
Cringe

>>537007738
Who else would use it? The only other classes with primaries are heavy and sniper, and heavy gets the big flamethrower. I could maybe see heavy with it but I feel like it might be a throw pick on them like the heavy bolt rifle is

>>537007250
flamers arent really "new"