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>Infinifactory
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>Satisfactory
>Shapez
>Workers and Resources: Soviet Republic

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am I good or am I good

low quality thread. reroll

>>536100184
i do not care for low cost solutions
managing to put the thing together with one extendocock on a rail, a few hundred instructions, and a few years of runtime is not impressive
it is an excercise in patience more than puzzle solving

>>536100184
I think I could do it in 40G, 7 area, but I don't have the game installed to try

So, anybody got a chart of graph or general details for quality percentages up to very high amounts? I'm trying to find where the breakpoints for a guaranteed 2x quality increase and a 2.5x quality increase are, specifically. As in, at what quality level would items be guaranteed to raise two tiers, minimum? I believe 2x is 1000%, I've no idea where 2.5x would be.

>>536100930
best I could do

I need games
games with flashy control panels

>>536104245
Stormworks, but you have to make them yourself

Highfleet, but it's not /egg/

>>536100014 (OP)
I hate the notation of higher mathematics.

>>536104245
starship evo/skywanderers but it's fucking RAW

>>536104245
it's not egg but check out PVKK

>>536107468
I got excited and thought it was out

just play k2 or bob's or something if all you want is better-er machines that require deeper research/are harder to craft

>>536107815
Does bobs work in 2.0?

>>536104245
What is this from? It looks familiar

>>536108848
Stationeers mod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3505169479

>>536108170
yes, idk if/how it works with SA though

/egg/ for this feel?

>>536100014 (OP)
I am honestly not really that into Space Age, and I know I can revert the game version back to 1.1.
But how do I revert the mods as well?

>>536110613
normally im always trying to help people out, but you are a fucking retarded nigger and you should seriously consider snooping around before asking such dumbass fucking questions.

>>536110613
just disable space age & quality in the mods menu, you don't have to downgrade to 1.1 unless there's a specific mod you want that hasn't been updated to 2.0 yet

>>536111792
woah

https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?t=130388
Not a bad idea but I still feel like trains should be the answer, not more cargo landing pads with even more bots.
There's also the problem that more cargo landing pads on any other planets is completely useless.

>>536113031
Once you get into looping shit gets hectic, trying to jam as many arms onto the same rail as possible while staying in sync with other arms

>>536113249
the single landing pad limit is just arbitrary
this is just adding an equally arbitrary bandaid

>>536113249
How about a large trains station attachment to the landing pad?
It bothered me that they made this modular system for a single attachment.

>>536113249
they should make belt/inserter stack size an infinite research instead

>>536113249
They should make it so it teleports every item to the proper assembler/lab

>>536110490
Well, starship evo is never getting finished so not that! Avorion? If you want a 4x try Distant Worlds.

>>536108985
oh cool, that makes the place a heck of a lot more cozy

>>536100014 (OP)
Mathematical notation have a very large amount of detractors in their respective fields so it doesn't fit the meme model.

>>536106261
no usecase

>big miners stack belts once researched
That's neat

>>536121179
Stole the whole mechanic from DSP but yeah, it's nice. I guess DPS maybe stole it from deadlock's stacking mod.

>>536121565
I thought of stacking rocks before either of them.

>>536122498
yeah sure

>>536121565
>deadlock's stacking mod
I had fun with this years back

I don't really get this thing. It doesn't seem to have any functional effect and it just changes how the instruction sequence is displayed?

>>536126717
If you have one arm that needs 3 swings to do it's job and another that needs 11, if you hit that button it pads out the 3 arm to match the 11 arm with one click. You don't have to get it, you can win the game without pressing it if you like.

>>536126881
but it get padded automatically anyway when you start it

>>536081345
It gives so much agency and expression to the player where you can make it as easy or as hard as you want. I've personally made the challenge of the game to get very low scores in size, cycles, and cost for each level. Although I do kinda wish there was a mandatory check for each level where you had to do well in all three at once to pass.

>>535877794
There's a trick to it. You can research everything available to 99% before finishing any research item, progress percentage stays even after the total cost increases.

I got pissed off by so many things today I actually have a headache now what are /egg/s to help me relax

>>536094021
I agree, if it was still the same boxy shape as the vanilla ones just "remastered" I would install it and never look back. The X shape is doesn't make sense for the engineer to do, it's just more effort for less internal space. This guy has some fascination with weird impractical shapes for things, like those flower petal solar panels where they self-shadow which is pretty counterproductive for a solar panel.
Still it does look cool and it's a little more HD than the vanilla textures. Sure beats AI upcycling.

>>536126717
it's helpful when you're in the middle of building and other things restarting their incomplete loops are interfering with what you're doing and making it difficult to tell what's going on
but yeah there's really no reason to use them in a finished solution

>>536131726
Factorio

>>536131726
I don't really relax with eggs

>>536131726
Space legos, avorion?

>>536131726
what happened :(

>>536131726
The eggs you ovulate yourself.

I love half-retrofitting things into my mall. The green chips and gears are annoying to feed, but it's easy enough to just throw 400 fast inserters and red chips in and have that be enough pre-bots.

>>536132508
too much thinking
>>536133057
Ill check it out
>>536133118
blog spoiler
>wanted to wake up at 9am to get ready/wash for an earlier workday
>wake up at 11am
>no time to wash hair, going to work at noon means I don't eat lunch
>get placed on coworkers dedicated cnc machine, he has to do annoying work elsewhere
>he stops by to check a piece I did, it's a bad piece but he doesn't say anything
>before break I try to order lunch to be delivered to me but they are backed up for an hour cause its been raining, there's a break in the clouds tho
>break comes and it's raining hard, cant goto store to buy food
>check socials and streamer who hasn't streamed for the last week says no streams this week (not parasocial tho, it's just entertainment)
>workday is almost over and the initial coworker comes and starts pissing and shitting himself over the one bad piece, his bestie joins and keeps asking about the quota (it was fulfilled all along)
>goto get a fat burger, they have no patties left, get something with less meat and it turns out to be double the price
>get home, get changed and all my shirts smell for some reason, mom decided to wash the bedding so I'm sleeping cold tonight

I'm the right track, but it's still so fucking slow.

>>536137232
here, Homemade Documentaries dropped a new video today: https://youtu.be/Qjx3u9_FZHo?si=9G6JchWV2kPtDRq_

>>536139980
>https://youtu.be/Qjx3u9_FZHo
the perfect length too

>>536139026
Apparently this still isn't quite S+ tier.

>>536142724
you need at least two arms going back and forth on one input to go max speedy
quicksilver seems to be the bottleneck here, try putting another arm on that

>>536142724
I'm really tempted to reinstall the game just to style on you. I know I could do this in under 30 cycles easily.

>>536144175
don't, let him learn

One of my favorite parts of the game is when you start getting your ore from trains, but you still haven't gotten off-site smelting yet. You have to wire in the ores somehow, and it feels so satisfying to finally have consistent plate production (especially since this is about the time your plate demand really escalates with yellow/purple)

>>536131726
Ive been playing Foundry lately and it's alright? I think I like it more than Satisfactory or Techtonika which admittedly isn't a high hurdle

Should I start using electromagnetic plants and foundries on nauvis speed beaconed with rare prod3 mods or should I just spam em down as is and not worry about it since I'll have to upgrade the beacons/modules/entire layout constantly if I go that route

>>536151570
Definitely start using them for the built-in prod, but I don't think they're the highest priority module targets (except your blue chip makers).
If you have a surplus of modules you might as well, but there are many things you want to upgrade first (like labs, the expensive science assemblers, LDS assemblers, etc).

>>536151570
personally I don't think modules or beacons or quality are worth using at scale for a casual playthrough
I would only bother with them after I've beaten the game and I'm going for high spm

>>536131726
Timberborn on easy settings (normal is relaxing if you already know the game, hard is relaxing if you're very strange)

>>536142724
a tick not pulling inputs is a tick wasted

Wind rows for tree growing.

>>536113249
>solution for 0.000001% of the playerbase
Lmao
What a retard

>>536113249
Why don't they just make it so inserters can grab from cargo bays?

>>536163798
You'd just snake em to your builds and not have to care

we gaan

>>536164119
So?

>>536166375
It's the same reason the game doesn't have chests that instantly transport something somewhere else.

>>536151570
It's always worth using speed 3 beacon for the planetary machines with prod 3. They cost so much electricity and have so many slots that the speed boost outweight the increase in electricity consumption. Using a beacon will increase your mw usage by ~47% but will multiply your crafting speed by 7 due to how stat change work.

>>536166792
You can make it nearly instant with rocket silo chains.

>Can't put off making a huge mall in DSP anymore because it's time to make a bigass multi-system logistics network
>Still can't find any unipolar magnets for T2 Smeltering
Nnngh

It's really annoying trying to setup stuff on nauvis when I'm also doing the planet productivity research that increases productivity for it and makes any builds trying to maintain a ratio kinda useless

>>536167818
black holes/neutron stars
I'm pretty sure every generation gives you one of each.

How much production do you have that smelting speed is a bottleneck?

>>536171735
>How much production do you have that smelting speed is a bottleneck?
I dunno how much production I'm going to have because it's time to scale the fuck up Samurai

Just feels weird that I'll have access to T3 assemblers and still be using T1 smelters

Opus gets annoying when you go faster because shit just randomly fails in the early stages of your commands cuz things somehow get out of sync. I wish the repeat instructions input actually worked the way you wanted to instead of being a brick button.

>>536173243
100% a skill issue
it's not annoying or random, you're just bad

>>536171735
>black holes/neutron stars
>>536167818
Also when you go there bring a lot of ammo and drones, those stars have the densest amount of enemies

I've been thinking - is it even worth adding a refuel stop with interrupts instead of adding a requester chest for nuclear fuel at each stop? I have concerns about the congestion a refuel stop could create, and if I already have full roboport coverage (or at least coverage of all my requester stations), it's very low cost.

>>536186545
The requester is better if you can cover your entire base with bots. It may or may not be convenient to actually do that though

Aquilo seems annoying as fuck when I all I can do is look at the future researches to try and guess what I'll need to bring. This isn't even considering how many save and loads I'll have to do to build a ship that can get to it unless I completely overbuild for it

>>536149907
my favourite era of factorio
pre electric smelter, where its easier to just bring in ore, than to send out fuel and bring back plates.
and i mean, what are you going to do, rebuild your entire factory right before getting large scale electric furnace production?
and since spage, i tend to sit on steel furnaces until i get foundries back to nauvis.
because i also want to burn out the starter coal to free up the middle of my factory.

>>536187914
>and i mean, what are you going to do, rebuild your entire factory right before getting large scale electric furnace production?
Yes?
Just blueprint the thing with construction robots? By the time you have electric furnaces you have access to nuclear anyway

>>536188363
I tend to wait until I have many modules (or I start building out my rail network to more than ore) before I actually switch to electric furnaces.
>>536186609
In the grid-aligned rail intersection book I made, there's also an aligned roboport BP that I can just spam down for easy coverage.
I hate bothering with spidertron builders, and this eventually gets the job done. Mines are the only thing that are sometimes alone, but those wouldn't need to have the fuel (only the dropoff would need it).

>>536188847
>I tend to wait until I have many modules before I actually switch to electric furnaces.

Why?
Steel furnace stacks are actually quite horrible for pollution compared to electric if you're not powering those with coal. Even without efficiency modules you're getting a smaller footprint, you have to mine less coal and you can fuck off from nauvis faster to go to vulcanus and get foundries.

I'm bored. Should I
>Buy Shapez2
>Buy Dyson Sphere Program
>Play Factorio again

>>536190746
>4: stop posting

>1x6 vertical and horizontal chests are different items
>both in the merged chests mod, and the dedicated "train chests" mod
>have to make separate horizontal and vertical station blueprints

>>536190132
This is vanilla. In SA I would never even build electric furnaces on nauvis aside from stone

>>536191801
>This is vanilla.
Oh. Weird. Okay then.

>>536190746
2

>>536192027
+100 social credit

Finally got all of my kovarex ramped up, should be able to finally mass nuclear fuel for my trains comfortably. Otherwise my patch could only feed my reactors.
>>536191898
I think your point is even worse on space age though, like it would never make sense to go through the effort of rebuilding with electric furnaces when you're going to immediately replace it with foundries.

>>536192136
>it would never make sense to go through the effort of rebuilding with electric furnaces when you're going to immediately replace it with foundries.

>immediately replace
You need a steady supply of calcite and EMP plants to build a proper base on nauvis though. I only import big miners to nauvis before that.

>>536169320
when you plan using ratios, you should always plan with the highest productivity possible in mind

>>536169320
Are you using sushi belts or something?

>>536186545
trains rarely refuel
I have a few hundred trains and the only time the refuel zone had more than 2 trains was when I changed fuel types

>>536175315
True but it's not like you have to fight them, not if you're only using magnets for smelters. Drop down one mining drill, ILS with no bots, two laser turrets, a couple wind turbines and charged accumulators and you can leave. Maybe one drone port for repairs just in case, but with such low power usage it'll take hours to provoke even a single tiny attack.

>>536186545
Definitely don't need fuel at each stop, they can make dozens of trips without needing more fuel and that's just using coal.

what happens if I paste a blueprint containing a named logistic request while I already have something with that name built but requesting different items? same thing with train names
don't have factorio open rn so cannot test but was wondering

>>536186674
If you're worried about getting there, just move slower. Won't need more than a single missile turret if you crawl, less demand on regular turrets too. You can adjust the ship's target speed with circuits, it also gets double fuel efficiency when thrusters run at partial output.

You will need asteroid reprocessing tho, almost all of its asteroids are ice.

>>536186674
you need to bring everything because you have nothing

Making a dashboard for my patches. It's good for now, but I know it will break if they ever break maxint. Also it's somewhat awkward that oil's (I still need to search for more oil btw, I'm super sparse rn) reading is very different - honestly, I wish all of them were a per-second rate instead of total ore.

mod idea
agriculture tower that packs trees closer, and doesn't harvest healthy trees
for pollution absorption

>>536194838
this really should've been the initial version of it, they're kinda useless unless you pine for the old days of 9/10ths of your real estate being barely useful solar panels

>>536194838
good idea
!remindme 6 months

they need to be called augogs not auogs

>Agritowers make ~0.15 wood/s
>2MJ per wood
>x2.5 heat tower multiplier
>They consume 100kW
>0.15 * (2*10^6) * 2.5 - (100*10^3)
>That's a pathetic 650kW per agritower
>must be like a fourth of the W/tile of solar
>pollution neutral
I have something very funny in mind and now so do you

>>536195482
why?

>>536194838
I think they stop harvesting once their output buffer fills up. Anyway small trees seem to absorb pollution as well as mature ones, so it's just the density that's lacking. Still, could probably be used for defense instead of artillery if you go Gleba first.

>>536195508
what's the funny thing?

So, hows the KSA pre pre alpha tech snippet? Anyone try it? Got any observations that are distinct from the matt lowne video? From what I can see the framework is there but I hope they release a version with more content before the end of the year.

>>536195601
it's just better, I keep typing aug into search instead of auog

>recycling atomic bomb give you 25 uranium
>finish recipe 2 times
>theres 49 in a chest

>>536195508
if I wanted to be eco-friendly I'd go play Terra Nil. I will continue to do the following: Kill biters. Behead biters. Nuclear annihilate a biter into the trinite. Slam dunk a biter egg into the recycler. Crucify filthy biters. Defecate in a biters food. Launch biters into the sun. Stir fry biters in a foundry. Toss biters into active vulcanus volcanoes. Urinate into a biters nest. Judo throw biters into a wood chipper. Twist biters heads off. Report biters to the IRS. Karate chop biters in half. Curb stomp pregnant behemoth biters. Trap biters in oilsands. Crush biters in the trash recyclers. Liquefy biters in a vat of sulfuric acid. Eat biters. Dissect biters. Exterminate biters in the petroleum chamber. Stomp biter skulls with mech armor toed boots. Cremate biters in the foundry. Lobotomize biters. Mandatory abortions for biters. Grind biter fetuses in the recycler. Drown biters in light oil. Vaporize biters with a tesla turret. Kick old biters down the stairs. Feed biters to shai hulud. Slice biters with a katana.

>>536113249
it's absolutely retarded that they intentionally put trains and landing pads on the same grid so you can never properly connect them

>>536198416
it's called radioactive decay
look it up

>>536199483
>chest has no Protactinium in it
What a ripoff

>>536195508
>not a big swastika
0/10

Is there a better way to get a full belt out of these furnaces? The top way will always have small gaps, but the bottom way is kind of ugly.
The numbers aren't very clean, and fiddling with stack sizes on the inserters hasn't worked.

>>536202056
remove the filters on the splitters, get rid of the whole left and right to middle to output stuff from the bottom

>>536195508
you just gave dosh a new video

>>536202661
How is what you're describing different from the top setup? I'm trying to visualize it and that's what you're describing looks like to me in my mind.

>>536203371
its basically your top one, but with a splitter with priority to the top lane
without a filter the iron that overflows the top lane will fill the bottom lane, which SHOULD fill the odd gaps better.

>>536203371
top setup forces everything on one lane a splitter with no filter but priority to a belt sideloading on the unused side prioritizes that side, but it still allows the items to flow on the normal one if it's too full

>>536194836
What mod adds those flat panels next to the nixie tubes?

>>536203802
>>536204087
that makes sense, thanks for the clarification
I did some testing (methodology is to ramp them up to where the belts are full, and then quick cut-paste the chests so the belt is primed) - I ran it twice to fill up these chests (about 9 minutes of running), and both times it ended up having very very slightly less.
It ends up being functionally nothing I think, we're talking like one plate a minute of gap (although it did happen both times, so I think it's a bit consistent).

>>536194836
Display plates. It was one of my favorite 1.1 mods, and I found out someone finally forked it for 2.0
The display panels were by far the most disappointing part of base 2.0, and I was worried display plates wouldn't be updated because now there's a "vanilla" solution even if it sucks.

>>536205467
not sure if the gap isn't just higher buffer capacity in bottom design
for 100% certainty you can give last inserter or two their free lane

>>536205467
actually, is it just that you're missing a few beacons on those end furnaces, so they aren't outputting their max?

>>536205467
also, yeah the top design has a MUCH larger buffer on just the belts, almost a whole extra quarter of belt.
try cutting off the ore, letting them run dry, then let them run for 5 minutes from when you start the ore flowing.

>>536206701
The build is fairly overbuilt, it outputs like 1.1 or 1.2 blue belts. 6 furnaces with 6 beacons and 1 with 4 is enough for over half a blue belt.
>>536206990
The testing was done while the belts were full the entire time - I maybe didn't describe it well, but I had the belts running full and then re-placed the chests so belt buffers couldn't matter (and the source was infinite).

I require blog posting from a Factorio virgin injected into my veins, it gives me life.

if I nuke an asteroid is it gonna delete everything in sight or am I gonna be left with 3 intact smaller asteroids?

>>536207462
Nukes do multiple hits, it should clean up everything other than the biggest ones.

>I LOVE PYANODON
>I reach a major wall
>I HATE PYANODON
>I stop playing
>I decide to play again
>I LOVE PYANODON
The cycle continues

>>536222895
pyanodons claim another soul

>>536100184
>>536103476
Stabilized water..., what's next, activated almonds?

I don't know how I'm feeling about ESIR anymore.
Finally researched enough to get to electrical science, but need to expand before automating it because iron starter patch is almost out.
Problem is that biters are already at 50% evolution and I've killed big biters, but have no access to damage upgrades, better weapons, ammo or anything. Am I supposed to be faster or just fucking CRAWL forward to take out nests and worms?

>>536225228
poison capsules?
landmines?

>>536225605
hm. booted up the game and I can actually make flamethrowers without blue science. I'm gonna have to get that asap to secure shit so I don't have to move a solar tower around and pray

Did DSP add buildable space platforms yet or are they even planning to?
I hate building on planets with their different spacing. Just let be build a solid giant ass ring world around the star to do all my building there.
Considering the sizes of platforms you can theoretically build, also add some planet-logistics where you can strap huge engines onto planets to crash them into your platform to deposit them there. Spread all the resource clusters of the planet around the impact site and leave a pile of dirt in the center. Don't know what to do with liquids though.

>>536223317
What is even the use case for this? A reciprocating sawblade?

>>536222895
tell me about it, I wanted to start running trains but then it turns out combinators need FUCKING BATTERIES WHICH NEED AUOGS WHICH NEED A TRILLION OTHER SHIT

any /egg/s that did radiation right? no magic geiger counter or instant damage, if you stand next to it nothing happens, just some time later you rapidly start losing health until you die

>>536226860
no eggs but zomboid does that

>>536226860
factorio does that but nobody plays long enough to notice the effects

>>536226168
twisting a stick back and for so you can start a fire so you boil water so you can power the machine

>>536225228
I guess you spend too much time/pollution on other things? I'm getting steam engines right now for 1K science and only recently started getting medium enemies. 972 nest HP, however much evolution that is. Didn't feel like I was rushing at all.

Exploders resist fire anyway, so if you made them big you're gonna need red bullets quick as well as the damage upgrade. Lasers are also just six techs from the electric age unlock.

>>536228158
black space is solar mirrors

>>536228158
most definitely. I play really slow because I love factorio but I'm shit at it.
I'm gonna try to not restart and push through, but probably tomorrow because I need a break

>>536222895
what >>536226479
I like hearing about Pyanodons because I never played it and every description of the processes sounds like pure lunacy;
>you see I need my queen to be fertilized more quickly but im running out of bongusbeans which is the workers food but with this jetfuel and fish I can make a temporary substitute until my fandingo earth fertilizer plant is operational
Is what it all sounds to me, very amusing.

>>536226479
Py is the only one where I rush ahead in tech by hand-delivering stuff and making shitty temporary setups. Just because the unlocks can make things so much simpler. You're gonna need all of that stuff for the third science pack, batteries, antimony alloys, rubber. But you can skip ahead and quickly get trains, wind or tidal power and electric assemblers.

I miss when belt manufacture was it's own endeavour, shipping in ungodly amounts of raw iron ore and processing it for the sole purpose of turning into blue belts. Skimming from the main factory was an option but it would bleed it dry in no time at all

>>536235015
you can still play vanilla

>>536196241
All discussions of KSA are to be preemptively banned from /egg/ due to the kerbal cat dick incident. It's too furry too

>>536190746
I have tried to play DSP three separate times. Can't get into it. As someone with about 1700 hours in Factorio, ~500 in Satisfactory, ~200 in Captain of Industry, and about 50-150 in various other factory games, I haven't managed to put more than 8 hours into DSP.

I don't know what it is about it.

at this point it's more belt than base (in-game time completely inaccurate cause I left it running when sleeping and working)

I have placement and routing anxiety

Okay /egg/ can one of you explain to me the concept of gravitational slingshot? I know that the idea is to use an astronomical object's gravity to drag your ship towards it and in theory save fuel but if you waste as much if not more fuel when trying to escape the gravitational pull of the object you are now orbiting?

>>536226860
That sounds like an unintuative and unfair mechanic.

>>536100014 (OP)
>yOu HaVe To PuT a BeJiLliOn ItEmS tHrOuGh A mUlTi-StAgE tO gEt SlIgHtLy BeTtEr StRuCtUrEs
Nah.

>>536241173
Just read the wikipedia article. You don't use fuel and it's basically free energy (the energy is transferred from the planets orbital energy into the craft)

>>536241619
Take it up with the big man upstairs, I have a magic rock that can take you straight to him

>>536226479
auogs are easy, actually, and also really important for everything from butchery

>>536229516
you don't need bongusbeans for queen breeding, it's for later food recipes and also drilling fluid

>>536241173
It's like you're on a bike going forwards, and someone grabs you as you're going past.
If you're going fast enough or you're too heavy, they can't hold on and can only change your path. If they're strong enough, they'll be able to keep a hold of you.

>>536243065
>oh whats that? you turned the corner too quick and saw a weird blob of molten metal on the floor? let me boil all your cells real quick, that'll teach you.

>>536246009
skill issue, check your corners first

>>536243504
tell me the bongusbeans exist and are not a figment of my imagination.
I feel like pyanodons channels some of the same energy as Paradigm Worlds module for Warband.

>>536226860
is there any game where radiation works like this other than the original Fallout?

>>536194838
The weird thing is tree pollution absorption has two mechanics :
- constant and very weak pollution per minute consumption
- one-time destruction of the tree and huge pollution absorption
I have no idea how the second one works

>>536196241
I hate matt lowne that is all

>>536202056
the top won't have gaps unless you're playing a version from 2016

>>536237808
DSP's start is ultra-slow compared to factorio.

>>536242301
i dunno, i just use my god modules

>>536248682
just read the wiki man

>>536242301
>>536257594

>>536241173
You aren't getting gravitationally captured by the object, you do a flyby of it (a hyperbolic orbit) and because it's orbiting around something else, you leech some its mechanical energy from it pulling you along. Because it's so much more massive than you this doesn't affect it much, but you can get a significant boost.

what is up with the furry
is 0.7 ever coming out

>>536241173
As you approach the object its gravity accelerates you, then as you leave it slows you down by about the same amount, so they cancel out. What you get out of it is a free change in direction. Which could be massive delta-v savings if the new heading suits you better than your original one.

>>536261589
yes, it's in testing

he was an EE boy, she was an ME girl

>>536261996
have any paypiggies shared the thing, or is every copy of SE personalised?
i forgot the name of the website that archived patreon/discord shit, mostly porn

>>536266318
kemono
buuuut
>There’s a new forum on my discord server called “closed-testing-forum”. In the forum there’s a pinned post called “Closed testing release: SE 0.7.0”. Instructions and download links are there.

>>536266318
kemono party?

>>536266318
No, it's more locked down than that. It's fine, let the pigs beta test it for us.

>>536266318
you should just play a better modpack that isn't earandel

Are there any good intersection bp books for 2.0 / SA?

>>536268425
why bp? diy bro

>>536268425
we're not gonna help you cheat bro

>>536223317
Sex with mechanical apparatuses

>>536240498
Post more of your work you tease
Also what's the source of your left pic?

>>536257739
>Every single tree absorbs a small amount of pollution in its chunk per second. If the total pollution in a chunk is above 60 units, once per second some of the trees in that chunk each have a chance to either lose one stage of leaves (33% or 50% damage) or have their leaves become one stage more gray (6.7% damage). Regardless of whether the tree loses leaves or gets grayer, 10 pollution are absorbed by the tree.
Whoever wrote this shit paragraph and this shit fucking algorithm should be shot, his white card revoked and his diarrhea status set to true.

>>536247992
Modded minecraft is the only I can think of both nuclearcraft adn HBM's are sweet

If I make a bunch of Cybersyn stations using random train stop names, and multiple different stations happen to re-use the same name, will trains get confused which one to go to?

>>536276515
You could rewrite it

>>536207347
yes, with full belts you have MORE buffering in the setup with more belts.
that's why i suggested you try it with empty belts.

>>536226860
>>536243065
>>536246009

>>536247196
they don't
guar beans do exist and are what i was describing

>>536277173
probably yeah

>>536190746
Shapez2 is not very good; it's far too pure.

>>536284826
It certainly wasn't any good in alpha. It was fun for a short while but even DSP is more fun to play for longer periods of time than Shapez2.

>>536277173
aren't cybersyn/LTN obsolete now that we have 2.0trains

>>536286459
I tried it but IIRC it kinda made my head spin
it's been a while and I don't want to redo it
I don't have the blueprints
do you have a blueprint?
I'm feeling lazy

>>536286739
(like, I remember doing something complicated with radars sending signals and all that nonsense... I don't remember why, but ugh)

Fulgora music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9xhmHes1rk
Gleba music https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IKqot7F9iIU?feature=share
Mall music https://youtu.be/rRhSQJRAN0w?list=PL-w7INJ4JcKpe8O0DXW5wOzzpghnaILXc

>>536195508
>must be like a fourth of the W/tile of solar
That is probably generous.

IRL solar panels are ~20% efficient

IRL photosynthesis is perhaps ~4% efficient. But then burning it and running a rankine cycle turbine etc, that's only ~25% efficient, so in total 4%*25% = 1% efficient.

Only think IRL biomass have going for them is maintenance free while they grow, zero risk of some catastrophic loss, and there is some potential for energy storage in the form of dead biomass.

>>536288727
>Mall
That or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFI6cV9slfI

>>536291260
>irl biomass is maintenance free

I mean, some of it is, but even for forestry, you need to factor in extraction and evaluation costs as well. If you wanted to cultivate algae/plankton for fuel, you'd want to concentrate and control the production in an energy intensive way.

Energy economy is really brutal if you don't have nukes or fossil fuels.

>>536286459
2.0 trains are good but they have noticeable shortcomings
if you try to make stations handle more than one item, you quickly hit its limits

>>536291260
>bioclang
>zero risk of some catastrophic
a boiler explosion or a nuclear meltdown can kill a lot of people, yeah
but some engineered bullshit could fuck up the majority of life on earth
glownigger-modified-mosquitoes? covid? viroids? it's hell out there man

>>536291952
I suppose that is true when you account for the full cycle - like harvesting and reseeding every 20 years, it's not all that much different than replacing solar panels every 20 years.

I think growing biomass just to burn it for steam is one of those ideas that's so absurdly bad, people hardly bother arguing against it. Burning waste biomass makes sense though, not to be confused.

lads I've run out of non-infinite Vulcanus and Fulgora techs to research... pray for me

>>536294495
how do you scale fulgora up? it's so much more complex than all the other sciences it's insane

>>536295227
It reminds me of Py. You have a shitload of byproducts but they're all optional, just scrap everything you don't need and keep research flowing.

>>536295227
I'm terrible at the game so I just have like 24 recyclers infinitely scrapping into active provider chests and then build storage chests any time I run out of space

>>536293075
not even bioengi anon.
you can plant the wrong plant in the wrong location, and just FUCK an entire ecosystem up.
and if you're using part of that ecosystem for say, keeping out another part of the ecosystem, you're fucked.
kudzu is the most visual version, but actually bluegreen algae is a better example, few years back my local lake had an algae bloom, which ended up getting into the local wildlife, which got into the local pet life, which got into the local people, which killed something like 20 people.

>>536293075
>but some engineered bullshit could fuck up the majority of life on earth

True, you could also have the reverse, where a monoculture of biomass plants is infected and takes out a chunk of the energy supply.

>>536288727
Just listen to Aphex Twin and Autechre. It doesn't get more Egg coded than that.

Do I start another factorio run

>>536305847
I don't know...CAN YOU?

>>536305847
Open a server and give us the password. See how long it takes for everyone to start killing each other over stupid things.

>>536305847
Do an Elf run. Leave up as many trees as possible, building your factory around them. Keep pollution as low as possible. Make your electricity supply 100% renewable.

>>536305847
Do a pollutionmaxxing run. Fuck them biters and fuck the planet.

I'm curious about workers and resources. I loved Rimworld and Factorio but I'm burned out on both and figured maybe I would give it a try. I know the games are pretty different but there's also similarities. Any thoughts? i've never really played a city builder so I don't know what to expect except that I have to basically do everything.

>>536306920
Harkonnen run.

>>536305847
If you already finished once what's the point of doing another one unless you're doing an overhaul, the progression will always be the same

>>536305847
try and get a bunch of achievements with no mods

>>536305847
try and mod a bunch of achievements with no gets

>>536307205
the best advice I could give you for getting into W&R is to play both tutorials and remember that most parts of the game can be turned off if you find them to difficult or tedious to deal with

>>536308821
What parts should I turn off and what should I keep on for a first play through? I saw a review said to do realistic mode from the get go and just grit through it but I don't want to get turned off from the game because I left some complicated mechanic on that even people with 20k hours struggle with ya know?

>>536309138
>I saw a review said to do realistic mode from the get go
lol
lmao even

>>536309193
I'm guessing I shouldn't then?

>>536307897
you reek of a blueprint downloader
each of my runs is WILDLY different, depending on ore locations at spawn.
if my coal and water are far apart, my bases get VERY spaghetti, because i end up working around the big pipe/coal belt, which sprouts a load of splitters for things like the furnace stacks, or mil sci.
and im not going to waste time totally reworking my starter base pre purple science.
and now with spage im not going to bother reworking my starter nauvis base pre vulcanus, or pre fulgora, or pre gleba.
ill rebuild pre aquilo, when i need to launch entire bases.
shit, thanks to multiple surfaces my runs are different each run multiple times.
i like to drop on each planet with just a fistfull of bots, because the actual FUN of each planet can be ruined by just dropping in a reactor, 1000s of belts and assemblers, and the rocket silo.

>>536309626
>you reek of a blueprint downloader

I've only done rail blueprints.

Your runs and bases may be different but the actual progression is the same.

>>536309853
>>Your runs and bases may be different but the actual progression is the same.
this

>>536309138
do not play realistic from the beginning, that's a one way ticket to hating the game unless you're insanely autistic

>>536309904
>>536309904
i mean, yeah, why ever bother playing factorio, you're just always putting science into labs.
just read the wiki page for an overhauls production, and figure out what goes where, and call that a run.

Trees do hard work absorbing your pollution, show some respect.

>>536311704
I still have fun no matter how many times I play

total tree death

I have achieved air superiority

>turn ore spawns up
>have to build on top of ore
...

>>536316564
cool
show off the plane more closely

>>536317336
It's nothing incredible, just a relatively cheap torpedo bomber. Its fragile, not super fast. and the flares are more for show than anything else but it works and I'm so happy that it does.

>>536316883
thats why you turn ore spawns up and ore richness down.
making a HUGE buffer station so you can mine all the ore into the buffer and empty the ore out.

>>536102795
Anybody please?

>At 100% quality
>At 250% quality
>At 1000% quality
I'm looking for the halfway breakpoints though, where there's a 50/50 chance of getting the expected tier or the next tier instead. Especially the one after 1000% quality, I want to figure out if my plan is feasible.

>>536325615
Can that be hooked up to modded quality modules?

>>536325793
just do the math yourself

>>536325615
But that doesn't give me enough data points at all, that only shows 10% and nothing else.

>>536327873
It shows the formula which is the same every time.

>>536102795
At 100% you will always get a higher tier product with 10% chance to skip a tier, 1% to skip 2 tiers and 0.1% to skip 3, etc. At 250% you will always upgrade by at least 2 tiers with 50% to upgrade by 3 tier, you will then have a 1/10 chance to increase your quality by 1 tier, repeat until the roll fails. That means that the 50% chance a 3 tier upgrade or above is actually a 60% chance because the 200% have a 1/10 chance to upgrade at least once. Getting to exactly 50% impossible I'm pretty sure. Quality chance is stored in an unsigned 16 bits variable and can only go up to 6553.5%. A few months ago, there was a bug that caused the 1/10 skip tier part to not take into account percentages above 100% resulting in a skip that could be lower than your actual quality chance. I did not test it but I'm decently sure Wube fixed that.
>>536325615
That chart is (ironically) wrong because the chance is taken from successful roll. So your actual odds from normal would be 9%, 0.9%, 0.09% and 0.01%

Great first use of elevated rails this save - running a train over my almost depleted copper starter patch.
I should really look into making an intersection with them since I'm aiming for 2.7kSPM, and I think that's at the point where train congestion starts to become a problem (even if I stick mostly to T-junctions, which is my standard plan).

>>536329068
That's not lining up with what I've been seeing, I'm using a mod that adds more quality tiers sure, but some numbers thrown around by anon in the previous thread were lining up with some stuff I was seeing.

I'm trying to figure out if using absolute maxed out quality options under the limits of what I have to work with (16 max quality beacons on one 4x4 building, all with max quality tier 3 quality modules) would guaranteed hit the "Rare+ always" breakpoint for me, and if yes where would that breakpoint be. Rare+ is effectively 2.5x, I can get regular Rare 100% of the time at 1000% quality but I can't quite hit that yet with my upgrades.

100% always Common+(?)
250% always Uncommon
??? always Uncommon+
1000% always Rare
??? always Rare+
If I can find the important breakpoints then I can get exactly that amount and spend the rest of my beacons and stuff on Speed modules.

>>536329591
>I'm aiming for 2.7kSPM, and I think that's at the point where train congestion starts to become a problem
for me it became a problem at around 30k spm, so you're probably fine
you should still use elevated rails tho, they are cool

>>536330298
My main gripe with them is the distance between supports is so short (16 tiles), so it's very hard to use them to run over things.

I'm starting to embrace mood lighting.
It will probably look more stark once I get everything concreted

>>536316883
Disgusting

>>536325041
Sorry I don't understand how 1000% quality is possible.
Maybe I'm wrong but quality (Q) cannot be above 100% ? It breaks the (1-Q) part of the wiki formula otherwise.

ZOGna, huh?

>>536316883
It's why I love rail world. Large patches that you have to haul in

>>536338962
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/QualityAssurance
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/QualityPlus
With these two mods I can put quality modules in beacons and quality modules in general are stronger by default, but the tradeoff is I have to massively beacon anything I want to be high quality. If I'm willing to go through that for the "full monty" though then it's actually really interesting and removes the gambling RNG from quality in exchange for increased startup and lower throughput etc. I'm trying to figure out where the breakpoints with them are though, they synergise in a neat way so I really like them.

>>536340898
I get it, then I need to know exactly how those two mods compute quality because otherwise I don't know.
At this point you would be better off using the editor to get a working setup.

>>536338962
The actual formula isn't like that of course, it's just 0 if the chance is negative. Same thing with the second, if you get 1000% chance then 2nd is still 0 even though that formula says it would be 100

>>536331645
Centrifuges are so comfy to listen to and watch.

Finally got at least one shipment of space science - I figured it will feel a bit good to have steady progress, and 1k science is enough for a robot speed.
Sadly it cuts into making modules, and I'm only starting the rail transition. My approach is make the builds ready for blue belts and module 3s, but build them with red belts and module 1s (still have beacons).

>>536195508
how do I mod it so agritowers and heating towers are unlocked by default so I can suffer with a wood-powered factory

>>536344069
I think you can just use console commands for that

>>536344069
set the crafting recipes to enabled, you can either use commands or put it in a mod's data-updates

>>536344329
You'd need a new way to automate spoilage unless you wanna spend hundreds of hours manually collecting fish. Biochambers need pentapod eggs.

I've started to monitor all of my patches - showing how much has been depleted from the patch (not mined, since it won't take productivity into account) compared to where it started.
It's not great for existing patches since I can't see where they started, but it should be interesting going forward to see which patches are mined more

hot air (cold)

>>536346806
15c is pretty hot in most industrial uses.
shit dude, half my workplace is forced to be sub 8c legally for spoilage reasons.

What infinite techs have soft limits, as in which ones should you stop researching at a certain point as they wouldn't have any more effect?

>>536344514
agricultural towers grow trees on nauvis, instead of nuts and fruit

>>536348290
railgun damage - oneshots everything anyway at level 6
railgun speed - limited by recharge speed at level 10
productivity (except mining + lab) at level 30

>>536349584
arty speed also gets limited once you reach 60 shells a second because there's no way to do sub-ticks

>>536349584
follower robot count, destroyers deploy at max 10/sec and die after 2 minutes, so you can't have more than 1200 at once

Assuming legendary modules on Nauvis :
>Plastic : level 10 with Cryo plant
>Blue circuit : level 13 with E-plant
>Steel : level 15 with foundry
>LDS : level 15 with foundry
>Mining prod : At level 60 you can feed a gigabase with 100 big miners it's ridiculous.

>>536348290
>>536351227
oops

>>536349702
I thought they added sub-tick calculations for 2.0? Or was that strictly for assemblers?

>>536351227
last one is not a limit of any kind
though doesn't mining productivity also cap out at 300%? It should.

>>536349526
and you need spoilage to build them, which you can only get from fish, which you need biolabs to automate, which you need pentapod eggs to make

In Capitan of Industry do you guys know how to allow only excavating crews to dump in to the area? Basically I want to allow only two truck to dump in to a certain area

Like I have two dumping areas. One general and one where I am excavation a mountain. I want all trucks to dump in to general area and only the truck that are assigned to excavation to dump nearby. When I enable dumping in the tower all the trucks drive to the excavation and dump and when I disable dumping the excavation trucks drive very far to dump.

How come it's not stated anywhere in-game that flame turrets deal more damage when you fuel them with light oil?

>>536352368
Set up an import route to that mining tower, say from a dummy storage unit, and tick the "accept only assigned" checkbox.

>>536352386
It's visible on the tower as "fuel damage multiplier", but only after fueling it with that oil. 10% is negligible anyway on a flame tower.

>>536351440
sub tick calculations for assemblers yeah. But that's just shuffling numbers, you still can't do actions at more than 60 per second.

>>536330114
The documentation work as anon said but it's currently bugged.

>>536351541
>last one is not a limit of any kind
Enjoy your 500+ hour resource patches I guess

>>536354337
There's more to mining productivity than just getting more ore out, effectively also increases mining speed and reduces power drain per unit of ore.

>>536355538
yeah

>>536351227
>>536348290
>>536351541
Mining prod caps out at the speed you can cycle legendary tanks filled with legendary toolbelts in front of a miner. Slightly more if you are willing to sit there rotating it every tick>>536100014 (OP)

I know in 1.1, megabasers would use primarily straight oil -> pet because it was more computationally efficient. In 2.0, is that still as relevant? My assumption is that with the new fluid system, it would only matter if you were pushing for very very high SPM.

this somehow worked??

I dont like extra space around building graphics

>>536356202
>Mining prod caps out at the speed you can cycle legendary tanks filled with legendary toolbelts in front of a miner.

>>536366478
>chute
You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
You didn't grow.
You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.
You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.
It's sad you don't know the difference.

>>536367313
K

>>536275457
it's not much, just early-game bikeshedding and general belt and ratio autism
the big chunk of it are just circuits, it's slightly overbuilt (green is exact, only red chips at 4x5/s when I only really need 3x5/s + 4 or 4.5/s depending on whether I'm assembling science packs or T2 modules, while blue chips at 2 or 2.5/s are also used for T2 modules at max capacity), so it's a compromise for mixed output since there's no way to have a whole amount of T3 assembling machines for any SPM of R+G+b+B+P+Y
green is production science (left-to-right is module 3/s + furnace 3/s + rail 30/s)
teal is automation+logistic (left, 3/s) + military (right chunk, 3/s)
purple is LDS (3/s)
red are engines (left, 4/s) + robot frames (right, 1/s)
white are all-6 early-game science packs
dark blue is T2 modules
also forgot to show concrete (30/s) but that's kind of boring, and my meme lab chunk (top right)

>>536367313
Could have just as easily been an inserter in this case. Looks like one of those Py animal farm buildings that take 0.02/s input.

Purple chests are so shitty let's make fun of them. Lame gay chests, useless hah.

>>536372703
I used way more active provider chests than buffer chests in my space age playthrough.
I also always have them in my nuclear blueprint.

>>536372703
I've never used them for anything except dumping scrap on Fulgora
I've never used Buffer Chests for anything except once when I misclicked trying to make a Requestor

>>536374582
One use I have for buffer chests is have them near somewhere I frequently paste something.
In practice this ends up keeping one with trains and fuel, right next to where I blueprint new trains. If you also have the roboport next to it requesting a stack of bots, it builds a new train in seconds.

>>536372703
>>536374286
>>536374582
I use both. A buffer chest next to your rockets on any planet with commonly exported items (like science packs) helps speed up space deliveries.

I also put buffer chests with replacement walls/turrets/mines near my walls in my rampant run

>>536368164
>he thinks he's built too many red chips

I have tolerated nature for far too long.
It is time.

May Allah smite purple science and the insane rail requirements

>>536379934
Jesus here. Burn down a mosque and I'll do it.

>>536379278
Saruman, more like saru man. Saru means monkey in japanese.

>>536380720
I gave up, using trains for purple science is a fool's errand.
I'll just build purple science next to stone patches and only train the molten iron, furnaces and modules.

>>536379934
I do like how purple and yellow science provide this really strong resource requirement, it gives bases a reason to scale up while not making earlygame too painful
Purple science really rewarding direct insertion (since rails are so awkward to belt) is fairly unique to it, the only other recipes in vanilla that really incentivize it are green chips and rocket fuel (and refined concrete, I guess).
The most egregious science I've found is K2's final science - the LDS demand becomes comical, I think it ended up being over half the resource demand of my base or something wild.

>>536381640
Gandalf shut up you fucking weeb.

yay, I got SHIT

For my first ever space ship for going to other planets:
Gun turrets or Lasers? What are the pros and cons of each?

>>536384742
lasers if you have damage 5 or more researched
and if you have a shitton of extra space for solar panels, or a nuclear reactor onboard

>>536384952
>lasers if you have damage 5 or more researched
I have level 7
>and if you have a shitton of extra space for solar panels, or a nuclear reactor onboard
How many panels are we talking? How is nuclear power in space, I've never even considered that before?

the best part of the game is hand loading furnaces and daisy chaining drill miners

(it's actually automating solar panel production and placement)

>>536382643
or train rail components instead of the rails themseleves

>>536384742
Guns are the intended way. You can bruteforce it with lasers but it takes a lot of space for solar, or a nuclear reactor.

Alt+click anywhere and search for medium asteroid, it'll show you HP and damage resistances. You can figure out the rest.

>>536385454
enough to keep 3+ lasers shooting at all times
it's way easier with guns due to the 90% laser resist

>Get 720% movement speed in my armor
>Keep running into closed off pipe alcoves in my base
Sigh.

>>536387931
bro, your mech armor?

>>536387992
Don't have it, just a mk2 with more legs than a Spidertron.

>>536384742
asteroids have 90% laser resistance because fuck you, you vill manage bullet logistics and you vill be happy

I see people using 2 tile thick walls in videos. Is that better than the one tile walls that I've been using?

>>536388737
I'd suggest wall - gap - wall, so if they break through one layer you still have a backup to keep them off your flamethrowers for a bit.

>>536388737
iirc big biters can hit up to 2 away tiles, so they could hit turrets behind walls. It's really never a problem because you'll have flamethrower turrets by then anyways

i'm tired of all the pro nuclear propaganda in factorio

>>536388292
I wouldn't call it logistics, more like you will play factory tetris on every single ship. Reminds me very much of Oxygen Not Included, their arbitrary restrictions that make shipbuilding a puzzle rather than automation at scale.

>>536381640
Mesaru gia...

It looks like the server crashed.

In server related news, PY science pack 2 is pretty close to completion. I was scaling up sea sponges when the crash happened which are the last ingredient of Cytostatics which are the last ingredient of Paragen. Once the server is up and the sponges populate that whole chain should start up on it's own (though it needs to be actually connected up with the labs still).
The last missing ingredients are good alien samples and Flavonoids for which we do have all the ingredients at least technically available across the base and just need to be brought together. At least no more animals or plants or minerals need to be tapped to get this going now. I will work on that tomorrow which should start the next science tier.

internet hitched, serb is back up

>>536388737
I just put down two walls instinctively unless I'm running low. Just seems right. 3 is probably the widest that makes sense.
>captcha: my 0w0

I was too lazy to set up a wood-chipper train this save, this is much easier.
Is there a way to control arty on a location with circtuit? It would be funny enough I would even download a mod if it allows industrial automated wood disposal.

>>536392379
flavenoids are completely free with the mushrooms for them set up, i figured there could just be a small setup next to py2 to produce them. don't remember if they're needed for anything else immediately
primers already set up? easy enough to do, just haven't bothered

>>536392435
router still doing its daily bitching at the same scheduled time, huh?

>>536393506
Flavonoids are indeed essentially finished, but again just need to be assembled and moved to location. They are required later I think for something else. Primers haven't been set up but they don't require any fancy things to make and the troughput requirement on all of these items is hilariously low even for the pretty overbuilt science setup I made. One assembler on primers for instance is enough for 25 labs or something and those only require things that we already have. Unless I'm retarded then the sea sponges were the last new thing we need (thought we probably should rebuild some of these other things for the science just to increase production)

>>536393716
the internet in skopje is having some problems, please understnad

>>536393861
yeah, it was really just sponges as raw ingredients and assembly (including arqad butchery for venom)
mice production is kind of low but i think we get a bunch better recipes with grod and also i don't want to think about them
py1 is also probably starting to lag behind but we can worry about that after 2 is actually up and running. copper could use tuning up but is sort of annoying with how surrounded it currently is. the bottleneck is also halfway through the current refining chain

Am I missing how the overclock for the ion beam is useful?

>>536395795
Ye I don't think cottonguts can keep up with the production and probably vrauks can't either but once everything is set up we do start to unlock new techs that help with some of the botlenecks like sap and moss which are easy to retrofit into existing builds and stuff like raliesia recipe upgrade which is great. The bedding recipes are also very nice. I figured better to just rush forwards than worry too much since right now most everything is just idling because there's no resource draw almost anywhere. At least some of my builds are also belt capped so red belts with next science will be something I'm really looking forward towards.
Once the science starts up again it will reveal the weaknesses of the base pretty well, I plan to do some tune ups to the worst offenders then.

>Start up yellow science
>Immediately out of copper everywhere
I don't know how I keep forgetting about this

poor whale :(

>>536400562
the best meat's in the rump

>>536400562
What a game... What game?

>>536400986
Infinifactory

>>536400562
Why yes I do run an entire whale trough a meatgrinder just to extract one block out of it, why do you ask?

>>536401307
the whale deserves it

>>536397062
>and probably vrauks can't either
this is reminding me that i should set up formic acid from chemistry

are there any other fluids besides steam and coke oven gas where temperature actually matters in py?

Factorio but there is no inserters, the machines breaks and it's massively multiplayer.
Super death world setting of course. Bonus: Space age, people can walk on platforms, bots don't work.

Basically factorio but you're an ant.

>>536402198
there's the gas you can process coke gas into via a four step process, it's basically used as better coke gas for hot air production
i think nuclear processing has cooling stages? there's weird shit going on there

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>536404436
you done it
time to make drones and improve your circuit recipe

>>536403473
>posters full of complaining about the "circuit meta"
>players hogging large amounts of space with machines that aren't being used for anything
>"rotation griefer pls ban"
>players asking for a server just for efficiency module users
>mine bidding restricted to a few guilds
>train politics

>>536309138
In realistic mode with all features on it takes an hour to start actually playing the game properly ASSUMING you did all of the setup right and your republic doesn't end up stillborn. I don't think I'd recommend starting with it.

>>536405162
>The entire planet goes dark and everyone rushes to get the nuclear reactors working again because the energy manager forgot to remove the used fuel cells before leaving
>The entire server is too stubborn to use solar panels until Aquilo

brrrrrr

Man, I sure want to play ultra deathworld with quality on a desert map. That sounds like fun.

>>536405162
>>536405969
That sounds like fun. I almost wanna try it.

>>536406417
The new pollution absorption increase by empty land makes the game a hell of a lot easier

>>536406124
I think legendary bulk inserters would be faster in this case

>>536406124
lmao @ your foundry turning on for like 2 ticks each time

>>536408331
leave her alone

>>536407228
The what?

>>536406656
>mods banning radar signal transmission because no one follows multiplexing guidelines
>oil wars
>upwind boiler pollution trolling
>the control freak who charges for electricity
>"can we get a second 'g' signal? we need 2"
>nature preserve vigilantes and "seed peasants"
>coal-oil currency tribalism (and the barrel lobby)
>"belt botting"
>minimap beggars
>"blueprint-stealing"
>wall-racing enclosure politics
>that one guy who produces half the server's science

Do I restart my ESIR playthrough to be less shit or do I disable biters?
I don't know exactly how re-enabling biters repopulates however

>>536412464
Activate editor (who cares, you're not cheating yourself stuff), change the world gen to disable biters. When you want biters back, reactivate biters. In 2.0, nests keep spawning but either spawn passive biters (pacifist mode) or no biters (no biter mode). In 1.x, disabling biter nests only stop new chunks from spawning biters and reenabling nests only makes new chunks spawn biters. There are commands to instantly kill all biters and nests but I don't remember them from the top of my mind. You can also activate pacifist mode instead.

>>536414726
ooh, neat.
So by disabling biters nests keep spawning passives or nothing, and enabling them again just re-enables them as usual?
I assume you can just toggle pacifist mode whenever too?
I'll definitely do that tomorrow then

https://youtu.be/wCDIYvFmgW8?list=RDdfrcZsKcVxU
>>536408042
That's because I already fill half a belt with two epic
>>536408331
Switched to normal refinery, still barely active kek

>>536417390
Sometimes I wish that one burner light mod was applied to lamps so the light was more warm and less harsh.

>>536415379
Pretty much. Enabling editor mode disable achievements (who cares for modded?). It instantly stops time and you just have to send /editor again to fully disable it. Biter behavior is not retroactive, they will stay aggressive but newly spawned biters (even from old nests) will be passive/not spawn. Passive doesn't mean never aggressive however, it just means that they don't attack you unless you attack them (run over them, shoot them, burn them, etc).
Also you can disable base spawn in 2.0. It seems the option is not removed in editor mode (only when creating a world).
Basically: Type /editor (twice because the first time is a warning) in the chat box, go to "Surfaces" (upper right tab), "Edit map gen settings", "Enemy", "No enemies"/"Peaceful mode"/Disabling "Enemy bases", Confirm twice (second is an achievement warning), /editor in the chat box. Done. Once all the currently alive biters are dead, the changes will be fully applied. You can disable the change by doing exactly the same thing but reenabling the settings you disabled.
To kill every biter (leaving only worms and bases) use:
>/c game.forces["enemy"].kill_all_units()
To kill everything including nests and worms use:
>/c local surface=game.player.surface for key, entity in pairs(surface.find_entities_filtered({force="enemy"})) do entity.destroy() end
If the commands I posted don't work, check the wiki: https://wiki.factorio.com/console

Have fun with your newly found godly powers. just remember great powers whatever use not abuse or you may end up killing the fun too.

>>536417535
you know you can change their color, right?

factorio but the binding of isaac

>>536359097
There's nothing quite as jarring as testing something, planning to tweak it some more, and it just... works, unintentionally.

>>536407228
Wube buffed pollution absorption?

>>536421045
Yup but it's not the same. It's not exactly the color I'm interested in.

i need SO MUCH SAND
if only rare earths and tuuphras were running i'd have infinite

>launch factorio
>think about minecraft
>launch minecraft
>think about from the depths
>launch from the depths
>think about rimworld
>launch rimworld
>think about factorio
help

>>536425496
try dyson sphere project, maybe if you get enough other things into the loop you'll buffer overflow into actually playing the games.

>>536425496
>>think about minecraft
People over 18 still think about playing this shit in 2025? You better have some galaxy brain tier mods installed.

are factorio mods safe to remove? other than the fact anything the mod added disappears when you load a save?

I want a game where you engineer your own robot body.

>>536425496
>think about shitposting on /egg/

sudden realization that maybe we should have sent all the sand to processing instead of using void mods
the gravel is easily handled either as saline or a further coarse+tar source, the iron just gets washed with tailings (infinite and free) into slime, which is easy enough to flush. quartz needs melting which is slightly annoying but you get so little of it.

I need to automate my autistic stimming habits.

any mods that make use of the unused pipe junction in growing towers?

>>536433084
read the warning when you load the save
and then click yes
even if it deletes half the shit, as long as you aren't a retard and overwrite the save after the fuckening you can always just reload with the mods

>>536438445
I'm fine with it deleting everything. just wondering is there's any chance of save corruption.

I'm so fucking stupid, why did I do that...
I just started a vanilla run with deathworld settings, worse tile absorption (40% instead of 50), less frequent ore patches, much rarer oil, uranium at the lowest possible richness, size and frequency, no trees, desert only, extremely rare water.
I've never played death world before. What do I do?

>>536438769
Rush flamethrowers, then tanks. That's it.

>>536439010
Great idea, I don't have red science yet but I'm already touching 3 nests.

>>536439098
fish + shotgun

>>536439248
You forgot the part about removing water, the preview only had the starter lake.

>>536439476
And there are fish in it.

>>536439573
Yeah, 60. That's nice, I only have 1 single piece of wood in the entire game because I removed the trees and need to craft a wooden pole to research anything. Shotgun cost 5.

>>536439784
Go roam the map for patches of ore that don't have biters and pick up your shit and leave everytime your pollution cloud gets too far

>>536438368
inb4 it was left in for space exploration

Current asteroid delivery area. Gold, iron, copper, quartz. I should eventually add titanium and uranium.

Seems to work. Have posted the scheme before, but it handles multi ore asteroids by sending the overflow to the right place, which can be dumped in a pretty big buffer.

I'm considering feeding directly into furnaces instead of using trains, but that would also be a lot of work.

>>536438368
They're hookups for liquid manure from Py

>>536441619
CoI has asteroids?

>>536441619
>Asteroids
Man

I miss Nullius

>>536442841
Yeah as of update 3
https://www.captain-of-industry.com/post/update3-is-out

>>536442979
He's supposedly working on it...

>>536444482
I know, I know. And I'd be a bit miffed if it released now because I'm ass deep in DSP but at that point juuuuust before I can start actually launching Dyson Sphere pieces

But love is irrational

>>536376724
see this is why I don't post in these threads, it's all cringe smug noobs who have no idea what they're looking at

>Dark Frog decided to give me another free 15 MW on my home planet
That was nice of them

>Dark Frog decided to give me another free 15 MW on my home planet
That was nice of them

>>536446873
>Dark Frog

>>536446305
It's okay, I understand! I'm waiting on Sins 2 mods that are never coming out.
>>536446873
Unity games are easy to mod, where's the mod that turns them all into frogs? Sgt Frog mods when

>>536438769
don't worry about the uranium

Your make or break is coming long before you get those researchs.

Is there any way to see the boosted range signal towers provide missile launchers? There's the defense overlay but that ignores signal towers. Do the towers need to have the launchers themselves in their circle or just link up to the launcher's attack radius?

>>536447423
Yeah I said it wrong on purpose big whoop wanna fight about it

Shabbams

Blamzo

I'm begging you. Just hold off on sails until you've killed the system hive.

You don't even get loot for space combat Q_Q

>>536453282
No that would be dum

>>536448576
All rockets can launch to all signal towers. They don't have to connect in anyway. The only downside of having turrets on the other side of the planet is the travel time of the missiles.

the fuck is this?

>>536457742
>Factorio has missingno
spooky

>>536457742
Hidden tehcs so you don't get spoiled on what's ahead, just research more techs retard.

>>536457742
Based hidden tech!

sex with dogs
sex with dogs
sex with dogs
sex with dogs
sex with dogs

>>536460747
based

>>536417390
>bothering with legendary efficiency modules

I keep trying to play dyson sphere and getting lost in the sauce of early game malls looking really fucking gross and spaghetti like.

>>536460747
try cat

I'm unironically proud of this but I know there's a better method.

>>536466813
KISS

>>536467238
Holy fuck that's genius
I'm having a really tough time of figuring out Really Dark Thread.

>>536467238
programmable arm here to suck all the fun out of the game once again

That's weird, my climbing rope gif is fucked.

>>536466813
this how I did it

>>536467531
all arms are programmable

>>536467972
Crazy how everyone but me had the idea to just convert the middle unit instead of disassembling the whole thing. I feel so foolish.

>>536467238
>48 area

>>536467972
>46 area

how

>>536468791
It counts all the area swept out by the rotating arms

>>536453282
Just hold off on sails until you've built a sphere framework for them to attach to. Now that enemies give you free geothermal on any planet, power is very cheap. They didn't rebalance in any way after adding them.

>>536367872
who

>>536471316
You shouldn't hold off on the sails because the sails are the best part and best looking part of the game. Just saaaaiiilll if you want a good time.

Could someone provide some idea of what an early game (blue science at latest) mall should look like?

>>536474287
Whatever you want it to look like.
You could automate jack shit other than both pipe types and just have an inserter grabbing plates / gears / green chips etc that you can use at your leisure, or you can automate the different types of inserter, assembly machine Mk2s, yellow and red belts, electric miners and chemical plants, or you could go full throated and automate literally every possible item that can be built, even if they'd never be useful to you.

>>536474287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJkFfMfj8cU

>>536475562
don't forget to do it all with quality modules

It's all comin together

>>536474287
I should have specified for dyson sphere. Every time I start the early game I get really upset at how spaghetti everything looks.

>>536477562
I don't think it matters at the blue stage, just keep science rolling and rebuild everything once you have logistics stations and more construction bots.

Least common multiple calculator, my love

>>536478262
I think I saw one of these destroy a ship in elite dangerous

Factoriobros, I'm trying to make a setup that's for me scratching my head.
>Day: Accum Farm connects to Main Grid, Solar Array powers Grid and charges Accum Farm
>Night: Accum Farm powers Grid
>If depleted, Farm disconnects from Grid and Steam backup connects (to prevent Steam from charging the Farm), disconnects when Solar Array has excess
Solar Sensor is its own grid of solar panels, an accum, and a radar to discharge the accum.

>>536479261
So what's your question?

>>536477562
Early on I just make something like this, this is from my 10h to finish speedrun save and is blueprinted in parts from left to right so it can be built quickly. I would add the 3rd tier buildings there too if it was a "real" run. It should be noted that the faster you play the bigger your mall should be and more things should be in it, if you play slowly it's fine to handcraft many of the buildings and just focus on having all the basic ores in your inventory at all times. The faster you build the more you find needing more advanced buildings faster than you can handcraft which is a signal that you need to add them to the mall

>>536477562
>>536479568
And then later on I just make one of these so I can land, quick fill the inventory with bots and then fuck off again. This is from a more mature save. The things are built somewhere else on the planet in larger quantities or brought in by towers.

I have not played in a while so they don't use some of the things like the vertical belts, I will do another DSP run when the next dark fog update hits or perhaps when the performance upgrades hit and mods update to match them in a couple months.

>>536479261
Related >>536069540

What I normally do is have two separate power networks outside of the base, one for steam and one for solar+accumulators. Read the charge level of an accumulator and use it to control the power switches, connecting steam and disconnecting solar once they reach zero charge, then reverse the switches once they're fully charged again.

>>536479261
Something like this?
"If accumulator charge is low, connect steam grid to main grid"

>>536479261
It's more or less pointless to spend time on this kind of question in vanilla because if your "backup" engages enough that you really need it to be robust that just means you need more accumulators and solar. Instead of all this just put a global screamer that warns you if accumulators go below 10% or something so you know when to paste down more solar/accums.

>think I beat the game
>it's actually just the mid point
that was unexpected

DSP sure is taking their sweet time with the combat update

>>536480680
Your endeavors are pointless and you suck. Play the game correctly next time.

How the fuck do you even use multi armed grabbers in opus if you can't intelligently tell which arm to do what.

>>536480447
you should use an SR latch or you're gonna run at effectively half power

>>536481429
git gud

>>536481539
I wish I could physically push your head in the toilet and flush, dork.

>>536481434
Seems to run at full power

>>536481429
I think they are pretty situational, and even then, the whole point is they're somewhat faster since they don't reset position
They look cool tho

>>536481429
you just do it
there's no harm in them pointlessly grabbing the air

>>536481686
Try out a setup where you draw about as much power as you can produce via steam engines

>>536481875
I'm trying to figure out how to use them in turning lead to iron at minimal arm cost but it keeps backfiring.

>>536479261
Can use this but with accumulator charge instead of fluid. This one device could both cut the steam and activate the farm if the activation signals for each are mutually exclusive.
The farm discharge will be entirely controlled by its own charge level and not day/nigh.
Maybe plug the solar sensor data into the SR Latch instead?

I genuinely can't figure out very dark thread. I can get the first triangle of two irons and a salt but figuring out how to make it repeat without bumping something or doing it in the wrong position is doing my head in.

>>536483838
you have a lot of excess power from solar panels
try removing that to simulate nighttime
I remember it not working that well in 1.1, but maybe it's fixed now

>>536484741
Oh yeah my bad, let me try again

>>536484741
The condition is <=1
I think you were right and they fixed it because I also tried the condition =0 and it works even though the accumulators are at a very small charge that is not 0.

>>536083359
how
are you producing all the sciences there?
what are you doing to consume that much molten metal

>>536482718
you can make an SR latch with one combinator now

>>536486659
Making 2 stacked belts of metallurgic science. They need a lot of molten copper.
It's not quite a full belt of landfill, but close enough

>>536487493
if you are also making 2 stacked belts of fulgora science please show that shit

>>536100014 (OP)
Finally have sometime to play Stormworks.

Any recommendations on what to build last time, I was here everyone was building lshape doors and aircraft and ships.

>>536489190
The ultimate answer, always. Designing boiler-accumulator setups is fun, but ultimately as pointless as designing subfactories for rare quality modules.
RUSH
NUCULAR
NAO

>>536488165
Don't have my windows desktop turned on right now, but I have this map view pic from another thread.
This thing produces like 0.8 stacked belts of science, so I have 3 of them. I imagine you could make it much more compact, but I like huge builds. You get all materials you need from scrap, so they're all decentralized.
These scrap patches are at least 60M, so they basically run forever.

>>536482718
thanks, I hate it
I always built a state machine by passing an item around different boxes

>>536490508
MATH

>>536489543
Okay but you need very similar logic to control fuel rod insertion.

>>536477562
Well first you start with a few assemblers and then you go insane. EZ PZ

am i cringe if rubia's poop jokes make me not want to play it

>>536384742
>>536384952
>>536387712
>>536388292
Well I finished building my spaceship. Used lasers because I have laser damage 9 researched and I figured doing over 100 damage per laser would be sufficient to see me though even with the 90% resistance.
It was not, I've now been humbled. Built my ship for speed and the lasers couldn't keep up. Looks like I'll have to bite the bullet and add guns perhaps, I'm not sure how else to solve the problem.

anyone else playing Foundry? What's a solution for transporting shit over long distances

>>536492906
The other option is to fly slower. You can set ship speed using circuit logic, don't need to redesign the ship.

>>536492906
>fell for the laser turret spaceship meme
do some calculations. with level 9 damage and max shooting speed for both, you would need over 20 laser turrets to replace one gun turret in damage per second against medium asteroids.

>>536491081
This travesty makes me want to see what Lets game it out can accomplish with DSP considering what he did to satisfactory.

>>536491081
Damn now I'm tempted to play this again, even though I'll finish the tech tree and drop it like always. Maybe DSP needs a Space Age too.

I did it. Dynamic virtual signals for fluid temps constraints in recipes

Anyone else having issues with sigmars garden not progressing at all despite many wins? It won't proceed past the phase.

>>536496570
it should say how many wins you need
anyway, it's optional

>>536492906
Lasers are good only for breaking down the smallest chunks with the targeting whitelist

>>536496730
I have definitely won at least five times but the game refuses to acknowledge the cleared board as a win. It might be because it's a pirated copy of opus but I did ensure it was the most recent version I could get.

>>536496924
you mean it says 0 wins?
I don't think being a pirated copy should matter

>>536497097
It says zero wins at all despite the fact I just cleared the board a second time without leaving the screen.

how eggy is your girlfriend?

Any decent satsifactory youtubers? I GUESS closer to what Dosh does. Full runs but arent 200 parts or some wacky zoomer making spagetti. I want some background noise as I now FINALLY play space exploration. As a bonus before I get more than my first 3 hours in any must have mods I should add now. Im just sorta running ultra obvious shit like alien biomes.

>>536497814
Shits fucked

>>536497981
reminds me of something
oh yeah this >>>/vst/2122745

>>536497981
>I GUESS closer to what Dosh does
Dosh soon, he said he's playing the game rn

How in the absolute fuck do you do sword alloy. Just trying to visualize the method is giving me a migrane.

>>536496751
Yeah, I added 36 gun turrets and slowed my ship way the fuck down, barely made it because my lasers drained my power which stopped the inserters.
Have changed my lasers to only respond to small asteroids, the ship's shit but I guess I'll live with it and some day make a Mk2 that isn't so shit. At least I'm at my new planet now.

>>536500872
You need like two, maybe a third in the back for when the ship stops. Ammo drain is low enough that you can just ship one-two hundred yellow mags up there and reach vulcanus/fulgora/gleba with enough for a return trip. Though if you want to keep the ship in orbit and not sent it back immediately, it'll require asteroid processing into ammo. Like what they wanted you to do in the first place.

>>536500872
>Yeah, I added 36 gun turrets
Bro how big is your spaceship, my first Vulcanus trip was done on a shitbrick with like 8 gun turrets and no lasers.

>>536503073
>>536503869
Dunno if I needed that many or not, but given how poorly the first few attempts went I decided to daisy chain a line of them around 50% of the ship, just to be sure.

>>536504276
I don't remember the exact breakpoints, but with some basic gun damage research yellow ammo gun turrets melted the medium asteroids in like 4-5 hits? I remember reaching 2 hits by the time I was flying to the last planet, but that might have been on red ammo.
There really isn't that much on the way to the first planets, just enough to strand you there if you yolo too hard.
Building up from nothing on Vulcanus/Fulgora can be fun. Do not get shiprecked on Gleba

>>536497981
>Full runs but arent 200 parts or some wacky zoomer making spagetti
this is impossible in satisfactory, it's a one and done game, fixed map, always the same challenge, the only variation you can have is decorating shit or "how much I can overbuild this" type videos where they waste 30 hours building a fuckoffhueg factory just so they can run it for twenty minutes and the leave it forever voiding it's output
God satisfactory is fucking SHIT what a fuckup

>>536506661
>the only variation you can have is decorating shit
I mean you get very different factory inputs if you make your power grid run on different things. If you don't just always go nuclear lmao, there's actually a lot of interesting options for power.
>t. squeezed 2 whole runs out of the game

I am a GENIUS
https://files.catbox.moe/8hyuk1.gif
>inb4 it's traesh
rude but true

>>536471316
I don't think it needs rebalancing, because geothermal really doesn't change the nature of early-mid game builds. You'll still need significant other sources of power, so you'll still be covering half the world in wind/solars or building combustible unit/TPP blocks. I wonder if on cracked frog settings you would get enough geothermal power to not need any other sources until you get fusion.

>>536474287
Conveyers, sorters, miners, assemblers, furnaces, power poles, and power generation (wind is nice early). You won't have the conveyers to make it pretty, so:

Make some spaghet

>>536490683
Delicate finessing is a sign you haven't got enough power. If steam levels are
You could calculate and optimize this system, but would you rather do that or build your factory?

https://wiki.factorio.com/Tutorial:Solar_power_math

>>536396990
Any feedback on this from cosmoteer players?

>>536511087
Why make a two long segment before attaching it to the main chain? Why not just do one at a time?

>>536513189
I couldn't figure out how to do the bonds between the tin x irons for all the connections and the code was looking so messy and hard to interpret from that point that I stopped caring.

>>536494864
good job? I think you have to explain more before I'm adequately impressed

>>536511479
>you'll still be covering half the world in wind/solars
If you don't blow up relays they will quickly build another base elsewhere in the system, and there's no limit.

>>536518130
>quickly
I had a stretch of 6-8 hrs where my home system hive did not build a single base.

>>536519826
Did you make sure to leave a few bases up? If you starve the hive of resources it can't make more mining ships.

>>536511479
Does it pierce shields? Sounds like it just turns the beam into AoE damage.

>>536520352
I did starve it. I don't really know it can't keep up with your expansion if you don't.

>>536520830
The beams seem to break up into aoe before they even hit the shield. It looks like you're losing more than half the damage of your beam if you're not hitting inside the target.

>>536521234
Honestly the best way to go about it is to just blow up the hive in your starter system and warp to a different system to farm them in. You can set up automated deliveries of ammo/weapons etc. and get the hive level higher until it starts spitting out the resources your actually want.
The only time it's a good idea to farm them in your first system is if you never planned on building a sphere there in the first place and had some O-class picked out instead.

>>536513753
>I couldn't figure out how to do the bonds between the tin x irons for all the connections

you literally already did it, retard

Could either of you factorio gods explain which logistics chest to use when?
Explain like I'm fucking retarded, cause I barely understand the red passive provider chest

Well it was unbelievably time consuming in cycles and gave me a migraine three times over coding the arms but even a dickhead like me can turn lead into gold
>there are four reagent spawners
I genuinely wish I clocked that before I turned my first silver.
My biggest lament is there is no way to make the final gold submission symmetrical and for that I curse alchemists the world over.

https://files.catbox.moe/6q7i4o.gif

lil guy really likes blogging

>>536526761
yellow
>just put whatever you don't have a logi chest for here, and take it out of another color of chest needs it
blue
>request shit to be put in, robots will put it there
red
>if shit is needed in another color chest, robots will take it from here
purple
>see above but robots will ensure emptying it as soon as possible and keep it empty
green
>mystery nigga

time to design the hauler I'll be using for the next ~150 hours
better not fuck it up

>>536526761
red is normal, just gives bots access to what's inside. replace all your buffer chests with them, and make sure every material gets at least one
yellow is storage, bots can drop shit in there. just put down like a hundred in the central part of your base
blue is requests, you can use them for a mall. if you copy the settings of an assembler and paste it in a blue chest, bots will fill it up with the shit you need to craft that recipe
don't worry about green and purple

>>536526761
>red
Put shit in there to upload to the cloud
>blue
Download more RAM from the cloud
>yellow
Place it down so that it fills with garbage and clogs shit up every 5 hours or so
>purple
If you place garbage in here it will accelerate how fast yellow ones will fill up with garbage
The first time I used purple/yellow combo was when dealing with airmailing spoiling fruit on Gleba

>>536527153
>mystery nigga
it's a blue chest but it's also a red chest for chests with "request from buffere chest" turned on and silos

>>536526761
Yellow for general objects.
Purple for things you need out of the way ASAP.
Teal to take from other chests.
Green as a teal chest, just a tier below.
Red for supplying green and teal. No requesting function.

>>536526761
>red
Bots can take shit from here
>blue
Bots deliver shit to here
>yellow
Bots deliver all shit that isn't requested here
>purple
Bots never let shit sit in here
>green
Bots deliver shit to here but shit inside can also be used by construction Bots
>blue chest with take from buffer ticked
Bots deliver shit to here with higher priority than all other regular blue chests

PY Science pack 2 is now flowing in the best kind of way, "technically".
There are severe shortages of many critical materials, currently we are limited by corals which are limited by zogna which is limited by lamps which is limited by copper (both the actual production but also the fact that the lamps are at the ass end of half a belt of copper that snakes trough the entire mall). The meat supply absolutely crashed and burned the second I hooked up some more phyloplankton into the jerky lines as well so I'm not sure if that was "the play" as the kids may say.
I am applying emergency jank and bubblegum to the seams and trying to get the science going at least in a trickle.

There's also huge buffers of shit that's needed everywhere so that will take ages to fill up or I would need to go trough all the steps and adjust the caravans and stuff which I won't be bothering to do at this time so expect lead times to be massive even if the production is sufficient. The Nerd Zone needs to be redesigned for 5+ sciences as well.

Witness the power of 10 labs working at maximum speed on PY science 2, totally not a one time occurrence trough some forced item movement for this screenshot only. This is the guaranteed™ certified™ actual throughput of the base right now.

>>536526761
>red
inserters put stuff in, bots take stuff out
>yellow
bots put stuff that they don't know what to do with in (deconstruction, personal inventory trash)
bots take stuff out
>green
bots put specific stuff in, taking from red and yellow
bots take stuff out, but they will only take stuff to put in blue chests if the chest has the setting for it on
>blue
bots put specific stuff in, inserters take stuff out
>purple
same as red, but bots will try to empty with top priority and will send to yellow if necessary

>>536514129
I needed signals for each "type" of temp-restricted fluid for my train system

>>536526761
Hmm, if only there was something in-game that tells what what each chest is for...

>>536530847
I feel like the in game tutorial and most explanations really give you no idea how the system actually works, you kind of just have to get a feel for it yourself.

>>536531223
Bots aren't required to play the game and honestly you get 99% of the way there with just requesters every time you want to ask bots to bring anything in and passive providers for every other time you would want to put down a box + like 20 storages just anywhere to store garbage. Buffers and active providers can easily be skipped.

>>536532016
yes, but we are not your average player

>>536532186
Yes but anyone who isn't average doesn't need tutorials except the retards but they don't need bots

>>536532263
still seems like a bad excuse to have an unsatisfactory in-game tutorial

>>536532451
The ingame tutorials are entirely sufficient to explain how the system works though, the problem is between the screen and the chair in this case.

>>536532841
I don't know about chests, but I remember the train explanations were not enough for them to be practical

>>536533376
see
>>536532841

>>536533483
so you're saying you managed to make proper 4 way intersections without any external material?

>>536532841
>the problem is between the screen and the chair in this case.
I agree, your chair specifically

My chair is very intelligent and I do not appreciate the snide comments suggesting otherwise.

>>536533661
Is that supposed to be difficult? Again see the previous post for explanation on why you think that is difficult.

Is there any non-modded building other than the Biolab that you can manage to squeeze 16 beacons into?

>>536527880
>but also the fact that the lamps are at the ass end of half a belt
for this at least there's a caravan delivering copper straight to the lamp assembler too
unfortunately copper production just isn't as high as it ought to be and expanding the existing processing kind of sucks for space
>meat supply died instantly
yup. phytoplankton from jerky takes an insane amount and the ratios between plankton produced and needed are horrific
>zogna
yeah. it really needs a dedicated setup if you're going to be feeding coral off it in bulk, one of the things i've been putting off

if we can't store electricity what are batteries? help me understand /egg/

>>536537632
>He thinks a batteries are real
Uhh... uh oh

I decided to play mindustry again. I'm getting fucking filtered by level 2 again (frozen forest).
How do I stop sucking?

>>536537632
you already have steam tanks

>>536537632
batteries are chemistry that's really good at turning into electricity

>>536538314
or physics, actually. sometimes they're physics that you can turn into electricity. or heat. lots of things, really

>>536538314
can i it eat

Am I playing the game right

>>536538990
yes, powering up your trees is very important

>>536538775
only once

>>536539598
ok, will keep it for important event

>>536536905
>for this at least there's a caravan delivering copper straight to the lamp assembler too
I don't think that's true for the assembler I was using for the zogna, there may have been 2 of them around though.
>unfortunately copper production just isn't as high
Ye copper is totally fucked as it is, it's going but it's just not nearly enough, need to do something about that for sure when the base roars back to life and then immediately coughs itself back into coma
>plankton
I added few more feeding off tin instead, that's probably the smarter option, though meat doesn't really have many uses so it's at least good that it's being used.
>yeah. it really needs a dedicated setup
I upped it from 1 to 6 assemblers, but that just ran into the lamp bottleneck, still better than it was before.

Ill do some tune ups on the next week for sure, I like to alternate between building new things and expanding old things and with the science complete it's definitely time to tune up the base again. New items will help a lot as well. Can't wait for red belts DESU

>>536538314
ok so basically when i plug my phone i turn electricity into something stable and then when i use my phone something happens that turns the stable thing into electricity? so it's electricity is not storable in the same sense that turning water into ice is not storing water/steam?

>>536537964
It's not you, it's mindustry that sucks

Started playing Factorio a week ago. Not much of a gamer, but it looked fun.

I almost exhausted my science tree and I don't see anything about a spacecraft. (I had heard somewhere that the end goal is leaving the planet in a shuttle). How am I supposed to build it?

>>536544853
The research screen has a search bar, what happens if you type "rocket" into it?
Anyway, the rocket is where the game "ends" in vanilla, actual space stuff is DLC that moves the rocket technology much earlier, to blue science.

>>536537632
who says electricity can't be stored? just use a capacitor.

>>536545135
Ok that is weird. When I search for it, it finds it, but if I just look through the list, it's not there.

>>536544853
if you don't have the Space Age DLC (or launched the game without it) then the rocket is the literal end game, launching one is the victory condition

>>536479261
I think I got it, after some dedicated experimenting in editor mode. I learned a bit more about combinators in the process too.
It's worth noting that I discovered all too late that an accum with zero charge won't update this 0-signal when you make changes to combinator logic. Realizing this revealed how much trouble it was causing me while experimenting on my campaign.

My system has a solar Farm that's constantly connected to the main Grid, a Steam system separated from the Grid by a switch, an accum Farm also separated by a switch, and a solar Sensor (with an accum at its core) on its own grid near the Farm.

I ended up using 3 deciders:
>Sensor SR Latch outputting to Steam Decider: if (accum > 0 OR (accum > 1 AND sun = 1) : output sun = 1
>Farm SR Latch outputting to Steam Decided: if (accum = 0 OR (accum < 100 AND emptyBattery = 1) : output emptyBattery = 1
>Steam Decider outputting to both switches: if (sun = 0 AND emptyBattery = 1) : output steamOn = 1
>Farm switch turns off and Steam switch turns on when steamOn = 1

>>536479551
How to make it work lol. Hope I got it now. Maybe it can be simplified further.
>>536482718
That's what I was trying to do
>>536490508
Ingenious

>>536537632
All electricity storage systems are just converting electricity into some other form of energy to be stored. Batteries turn electrical energy into chemical potential energy, which is later turned back into electrical energy. (It's called "potential" energy because it's being stored to be released later on)

Another way to create a storage system is by moving something heavy up to a higher position (creating gravitational potential energy) and reversing it later on by running a generator off dropping the weight. Pic related.

>>536546401
Latent heat is potential energy for your hands.

>>536536386
Anyone please? I'm trying to think of any but can't come up with anything.

The mall begins

>>536550046
Oh and I guess someone who knows

Can I just get away with pile sorters or should I have some MK3's as well? The increase to power might be an issue but they also move a shitload more so they might be active less and actually use less power since every sorter has an identical passive power draw

>>536549774
Rephrase your question, it makes no sense.

>>536549774
foundries and cryogenic plants.

[Angry in Chinese]

lads I have 400k gears on Fulgora, how do I leverage this?

>>536550582
I want to know what buildings, other than Biolabs, it is possible to have 16 Beacons on. This means only 5x5 and bigger buildings, unless there's some special way to arrange the beacons that I'm forgetting about. The only reason I'm not asking "what 5x5 or bigger buildings are there without mods?" is because I might be forgetting some special way to rearrange beacons to allow 4x4 buildings to have 16 beacons too.

>>536551173
Thanks. Any others or is it just the three total?

>>536550274
If you do use them then design your builds around the max upgrade of 4 stacks so it automatically works.

>>536552709
Throw them in the Gearchipper

>>536551494
The worst parts of dyson sphere are the obnoxious swivels your belts tend to do when the hemisphere angle changes, the fact logistics splitters (not the inserters by another name) are fucking huge for no reason and that z level'd belts have no scaffolding or visual indicator for how they're floating in mid air. For me personally that's pretty annoying.

>>536552718
but biolabs are smaller than 5x5
did you mean cryolabs?

>>536554683
I dunno. I think the scaffolding might make things even harder to see if you really go nuts. I can chalk them up to space spaceness so it doesn't bother me at all

I will agree that splitters are obnoxiously large and should change dimensions based on the type you use.

>>536554683
Well, z-levels on belts are entirely unnecessary. They do a little "overground belt" thing automatically when crossing another belt and that's all you need. All building inputs/outputs are on the ground level anyway.

>>536554732
>but biolabs are smaller than 5x5
Are you sure about that?

no, youtube, I do not want to watch some trans EN vtuber's 3-view factorio stream

I'm not seeing why I would want to *generally* use piling, before I unlock ILS output piling as a post-game research.

A good factory doesn't need to conserve mk3 belts. Your belt throughput is limited by resource extraction rates or ILS output rates, which piling doesn't do anything to improve.

Explain to me why I am a little baby retard for not using pile sorters everywhere.

>accidentally connect logistic network
>remove connecting roboport
>bots don't return to previous network and instead fuck off to god knows where
awesome

>>536555207
The way Shapez 2 does the z levels with belts satisfies me completely but I imagine it would be hard to make it function the same way with dsp's virtually limitless (to an upper limit) z levels.

>>536561439
still better than
>brownout main base from too many bots running around
>all ports drop charge, logi network disintegrates, active bots can't go sleep
>but what's this? iron mine 3 has a bunch of roboports which are at full charge! let's allllll of us migrate there!
>fly over wormspace and die horribly

>>536545135
>>536546063
I think I have the DLC because I have a Space Science pack thing to research by sending a satellite into orbit. So should I just ignore the rocket and take that path?