Thread 536552025

Remember that you can dislike stuff without making it part of your personality. Report and ignore shitposters that only spam and argue in bad faith.
/ffg/ spam filter: https://pastebin.com/SJ1sb9r0

>General Info on Final Fantasy
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com

>What version should I play?
http://pastebin.com/nDC7j5bn

>Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdLsIQEGj-E

>Final Fantasy Tactics: The Ivalice Chronicles
https://youtu.be/JRIElEOQa4c?si=d0hEChixTBdlYy_w

>Final Fantasy XVI Info
https://na.finalfantasyxvi.com
>Launch Trailer "Salvation"
https://youtu.be/_CrV3hkJuvs
>DLC
https://youtu.be/RecsFD6SWfc
https://youtu.be/aveDvd66clk
>PC Trailer
https://youtu.be/LBqpFlA_4Is

>Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
https://youtu.be/WgdkN2tCAFw
>Final Trailer
https://youtu.be/Q56cRDseTG

>Final Fantasy VII Ever Crisis
https://youtu.be/afTX-30KkaE
>Dissidia Final Fantasy Opera Omnia
https://www.youtube.com/@DFFOperaOmnia
>Final Fantasy Brave Exvius: War of the Visions
https://pastebin.com/1yvynbW8
>Final Fantasy Brave Exvius
https://pastebin.com/mwANP4fD

>Final Fantasy XI
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/index.shtml

Previous thread: >>536419316

Some people really need to figure out that you can dislike stuff without making it part of your personality. You don't have to go out of your way to remind everyone every time it comes up, and argue with anyone who does like it.

XVI? The worst one.

What did we learn from last thread and how can we avoid a similar situation in the future?

>>536552209
As long as no one makes negative remarks about Yoshida, XIV, or XVI, we will be fine.

FFIV,FFV,FFVI,FFVII,FFIX,FFX.

These are the only 'great' entries.

Think otherwise? You're biased and only choosing your favourite because it was your first one.

>>536552209
I think we should avoid honest conversations of sensitive topics. A lot of posters are clearly not ready for that.

>biased and only choosing your favorite
BASED!

Here's the real tier list

>>536552585
B A S E D

>>536552449
FTFY*

>>536552449
Mine is better.
>what ab-
I don't care.

Can we vote to kick XVI out of the discussions + series and replace it with Expedition 33?

when I was a kid I was pissed at my mom and renamed Cindy from the Magus sisters to her name and she saw it and cried

>>536552160
FPBP

>>536552025 (OP)
>Another Rydia OP image
FUCK OFF ALREADY LET OTHER PEOPLE BAKE THE THREAD

>>536552209
That this general is invested with people who think France is located in east Asia.

Not Japanese not JRPG.
XVI is a JRPG. E33 is not.

>>536553642
>invested
Ohnononononooooo

>>536553667
>JRPG
>one is an RPG but not J
>the other is J but not an RPG
Frankly neither one fits.

>>536553726
only ESLs care this much about a typo anon

>>536551783
>Did you play it?

>>536553843
Renoir Desandre, the best FF villain since Ardyn Lucis Caelum?

>load up since FF kino (X)
>make a healthy snack
>dogs asleep on the bed
>some anthony bourdain on my second monitor

FFXVI is NOT a real FF or RPG.

>>536552209
>What did we learn from last thread
Something happened and VIIRgins are very upset about it and have been lashing out ever since.

>how can we avoid a similar situation in the future?
It's really tough to say. We never know what causes it. I guess someone upset them on a different website or on /v/. One of the posters here is still upset about a Reddit post he read 5 years ago.

One true love and kissu hug! Canon and cute couple!

>>536553959
>the best FF villain since Ardyn Lucis Caelum?
Hes not a villain, and hes not real, lmao.

>>536554182
>Broche said he dislikes Rebirth because he can't stand open worlds
>put a not-so-obvious Clive costume for Verso in the game
>but visit Hamaguchi & Kitase instead of Yoshida
What's the endgame here?

>>536554397
>he's not real
It's time to stop painting

His ESL really comes out when he gets upset. That’s almost kinda cute.

>>536553959
>Renoir Desandre, the best FF villain since Ardyn Lucis Caelum?
Funnily enough, this statement applies to both of them.

>make a typo
>shitposters think you're ESL now
or
>make a typo
>shitposter now ignore your entire post and hound on the typo because they know they lost otherwise

I don't know if that guy is actually ESL or not, but this has happened to me on modern nu4chan more times than I can remember. I miss the good ol' days, which you guys were not ever a part of.

I really wish you guys would stop bullying that poster who is definitely not me as well. It's pathetic, really, and proves him right.

>shitposters insist "samefag" if you comment on current happenings in the thread
See what I mean?

>>536554745
God damn, I love dark and romantic RPG's with strong art direction so much it's unreal.

>>536554991
Tifa if she French Cambodian sorceress.

We love FFXV here.

Brutal thread already
Maybe time to just abandon ship

>>536555572
A lot of people thought similarly.

>>536555572
I want to like it but find the combat very boring and shit

>>536553034
The Councilor moves to strike FFXVI from the franchise, banish its discussion to /xivg/, and draft Expedition 33.

All in favor say Aye.

>>536555753
Aye

>>536555613
>>536555753
Three Ayes already.

>>536555993
It's getting embarrassing at this point

How do I make the combat in XV feel less clunky?

>>536556128
It's time to invest. E33 is game of the year material, after all. Although it will be likely snubbed.
Classic game mechanics meets cutting edge visual presentation. A dramatic story with unforgettable characters.
Classic PS1 Final Fantasy inspired soul food.

It's not capable of maintaining it's own general thread? I say we shelter it and protect it. It's our god-son.
It's an incredible game that scratches the Command based itch that Final Fantasy does.

>>536557017
>Classic game mechanics
this is not true at all.

>>536557017
A true 10/10 gaming experience.

>>536552160
Sadly the fatherless can't realize this.

>>536556730
I wouldn't say it make it "not" clunky but I had success just going for warp strike damage. Escalates quickly with blindside and one of the Royal Edition weapons also buff them, so you just get 9999 damage for days while being able to zap in and out. Very consistent.

>>536557194
>A true 10/10 gaming experience.
True. It is the Ulysses of video games. If anyone has a criticism for it, they are wrong and ESL.

>>536557112
>CTB turn order
>exceedingly simple input control scheme
>literally inspired directly by classic JRPG designs meeting modern mechanics and streamlined presentation
>Final Fantasy VII/VIII/IX/X, SMRPG, Paper Mario, Legend of Dragoon, Persona 3/5, DMC, Sekiro and many more influences
It has classic game mechanics, yeah. Almost no fat. Almost no mistakes. Top to bottom an excellent and wholly unique JRPG experience that every FF fan must enjoy.

>>536557194
It's definitely the best game I've played since Rebirth. In some ways, it's better than Rebirth is.
But in other ways, I think I wanted a bit more from E33s world, where with Rebirth I wanted a little bit less.
A game that can bridge the gap between Rebirth and E33 is the future of Final Fantasy.

>>536557923
>E33 seeks the pure essence of literature
>XVI's main inspiration is Games of Thrones
No wonder the former outsold the latter's lifetime sales in a month.

>>536558279
So why is it so obvious that no one working on e33 has ever opened a book before?

>>536558279
Oh, I can tell someone got REALLY upset over this.

https://strawpoll.com/PbZqb4VElyN

Make sure to vote to adopt Expedition 33

>>536557017
>game of the year material
nah
zelda or Kojima stealing that award

>>536558903
>>536555613
>have always said that if only literal 1-3 shitposters would leave, this thread wouldn't be so bad
>this confirms it is indeed only 1-3 shitposters
>probably 2 dudes + 1 phone (and sometimes XVkun who is not present)
Thanks for proving it, I guess.

>>536559130
>probably 2 dudes + 1 phone
Two?
Bold assumption.

>>536559229
It is a bold assumption, but I think it might actually be 2 people. Then there is XVkun sometimes. It's definitely only 1-3 people, with XVkun sometimes making a cameo. I think the "3" people right now is a phone.

>>536558963
>Kojima
Lol. I played the game, and I liked it but DS2 is not beating E33
>Zelda
What year do you think it is? You could have said DK, that's the realistic choice

>>536559570
I think its 2025 and the nintendo gamers gotta have their zelda
I think kojima is a meme status creator who could shit on a disc and every "gaming" website would call it brilliant.
I don't think a venture capitalist backed indie project with chinese money shelled out enough cash to resub to their ad campaign for award season and it will be forgotten just like every darling indie project that has come before it.

>>536561582
So you're a miserable shitposter then, got it
Back to /v/ with you

>>536561690
Weird way to spell “realist” but whatever.
Don’t be too disappointed when e33 only catches categories no one cares about and isn’t nominated for GotY

>>536559445
I think it's just the guy who admitted to buying several 4chan passes so he could "clean up" the general yet inexplicably the only post janitors prune is anyone fucking with them.

Just a coincidence I'm sure.

>>536562317
>Don’t be too disappointed when e33 only catches categories no one cares about and isn’t nominated for GotY
I'm not him, but I ended up being disappointed by E33. Not because I had high expectations for it going in, because I had low expectations for it and I thought it looked ugly as fuck. No, the expectations that the game itself imparted on me over the course of Act I left me disappointed partially by Act II, but especially by Act III.

I've said it before, but a 7/10 or 8/10 game with a bad ending imo is a lot worse than a 6/10 game with a good ending. I've never once found myself thinking about E33 after I finished it, besides of course when someone mentions it on 4chan (almost always as a shitpost, funny how that worked out). I think the OST is gonna win, anything else is up in the air.

Mods? Wtf is this shit

Dear /ffg/ AI, what is the most fucking retarded take you can possibly have about final fantasy in just three sentences? I’m trying to see if we can beat the previous thread.

Final Fantasy.

>>536558094
>But in other ways, I think I wanted a bit more from E33s world
Hmm, what else do you wanted to see more of? The writers and the 'real world'?

Well, /ffg/?
Why is it that Rebirth failed to attract a significant audience?

>>536563424
>starer hume model for xi
>lvl 100 human model for xiv
nigga what is you doing?

>>536564325
>starer

weird how they/them all disappeared at once, just as suddenly as they appeared to shit up the thread

>>536565453
The XIII Trilogy remaster will bring everyone back.

>>536565801
guess the general is fucked then

kek

>>536565801
If they fix some basic shit to make the beginning of the game more bearable, then it might work. This game can be fixed, but the real question is would newfags complain about the characters being underage?

>>536565801
Since we’re slowly moving into the era of PS360 remasters is a collection with all three 13 games something they’d even do?
Like PS2 era games you could 100% throw the entire trilogy into on collection due to them being slightly smaller.

>>536566517
STOP THE COUNT

>shitpost Yoshi or "discuss" XIII for the millionth time
worst general I've ever seen desu

>>536567421
They literally cannot remake XIII without doing so from the ground up.

>xiv twitter is losing their minds about yoshida saying there might be less content
Lmao. I don’t understand how more difficulties means less content. Just bring numbers down. How much extra manpower does that take?

>>536568775
They fucked up the loot bigly in Crescent, they didn't even have time for the smallest quality control apparently. The area is barebones too, not surprised they couldn't take a little time to make a Normal raid of Forked Tower, even if it was desperately needed.
Something went seriously wrong with their development cycle in Dawntrail.

>>536568775
>I don’t understand how more difficulties means less content.
It doesn't really. He didn't even say that's for sure what they're doing, he said it's possible. It means:
>"instead of making a DR and a DRS, we might just have DR (Quantum) which is a scaling difficulty selectable by the player(s)"
It's bizarre how often people purposely misinterpret what he says, quote him out of context, misquote him, make up lies about him, etc. Orange man bad, and all that. XIV shitposting has really been kicked up to 11 since the WoW exodus, and because Dawntrail's MSQ really sucked, they're going for the kill. Casuals hate him now because DT content is unironically too hard for them, while they simultaneously beg for more casual content that they don't even want to do (really the culprit is that the MSQ sucked), and now the gooners who use XIV as their plapbox machine are mad at Yoshida too, for a C&D he issued to one of the plugins they use to share player and animation mods while gooning to each other. There's a conspiracy about whether or not the C&D is even real, some people think the plugin creator is fucking off with the money (he was making over $1mil USD per year on Patreon and he bought a Swiss villa with it), but if the C&D is real, it's either because the guy was using his full name with a logo of Square Enix on his website, or it's as collateral damage for the recent Playerscope C&D. Remember that? The community was up in arms about the stalker plugin, Playerscope, but Mare (the goon mod) has Playerscope built into it (and requires Discord integration, letting him track even more things about you) and it's how the creator bans users from the plugin for making "pedo" characters, but for some reason only Playerscope is bad while Yoshi needs to be killed for banning the goon mod. Meanwhile there is an alternative mod to the goon mod, but the big plugin Discord (Dalamud) is banning people for using it because it is more private, and therefore more "pedo"

>>536552025 (OP)
Square Enix should make a Star Wars game.

>>536564158
No not really the outside world part. I was hoping to see more from Lumiere itself, some more from the actual people and to see more of the day to day that people lived. Something just a bit more grounded overall, maybe? That's what a lot of people connected to more so than the existentialist and meta elements, which weren't what they thought they were getting into when they got hooked by the trailer.

I won't say I'm disappointed in the end result, because I wasn't disappointed at all. I really loved how unique the Canvas as an idea was. It's a beautiful statement for a game and the ending was amazing.
But I just kept thinking during the game while exploring in the (pretty much dead) world "oh man, the next game really could be even better than this is, if they just add NPC's and some actual functioning locations into a more fleshed out world."

The game is a lot of interesting fields and arenas with incredible art, but most of those fields are all just ruined/fractured backdrops. I want something a little more straight forward and functional as a world, with people and activities and quest structure. Like a Dark Souls world with weird crystal dragons and demons in gothic castles? That dark fantasy world would be seriously amazing with their fantastic art style. And it could still have clear storybook elements, subvert the genre all you want, give it to me in my bloodstream.

But yeah I want to see the more fleshed out setting, with different cities/kingdoms, I want to travel between continents in the flying airship, explore the various biomes and discover different peoples. Also, let me summon. I want to summon.

>>536558963
>Zelda
I don't see any Zelda games there. Only Ubisoft games.

>>536571046
More Zelda like than that shit majoras mask

>More Zelda like than that shit majoras mask
Damn, the /ffg/ shitposters have like the worst opinions about everything, not just Final Fantasy.

>>536564269
Do you own Final Fantasy VII Rebirth?

>>536570290
>everything yoshida says is said out of context, when when it ultimately turns out exactly the way it was initially described
Okay coper

Krill.

Majoras Mask is the worst 3D Zelda next to Skyward Sword
Only liked by people who who think the Junction system was good

>>536570290
Part of the reason his reputation has collapsed in the past few years is because he’s always saying shit that rubs people the wrong way. I’m sure he’s aware of this as well. If that’s the case maybe it’s time he got someone else’s to speak for the game. Not that he has to step down from anything else in any significant way, but that maybe it’s time someone else became the face of the game. Someone who can get a message across more clearly without constantly being misinterpreted.

Still the best recent FF.

>>536575025
Is he saying something controversial or has media/influencer coverage editorialized everything in the worst way possible?

>"I do have this idea of how Final Fantasy battles should be and should feel," Nomura says.
>"We want to still keep this strategy element, in which the player will consider the elemental weaknesses of enemies during battle while using these action moves and being engaged, intact.
>That was always my core belief in how we should approach Final Fantasy battles.
>I thought this was truly vital to this game; I didn't want it to be a game where it's a reflex-type action or reflex-based battle; we wanted to combine all of these elements."

>"I'm from a generation that grew up with command and turn-based RPGs," Yoshida said.
>"I think I understand how interesting and immersive it can be.
>On the other hand, for the past decade or so, I've seen quite a number of opinions saying 'I don’t understand the attraction of selecting commands in video games'.
>This opinion is only increasing, particularly with younger audiences who do not typically play RPGs."
>"As I said, I believe I know the fun of command system RPGs, and I want to continue developing them, but I thought about the expected sales of Final Fantasy XVI and the impact that we have to deliver"

>>536576054
He’s always saying something controversial. Before this he said he couldn’t implement lower difficulty in the Forked Tower because of costs, which set off a storm of anger and shitposting. These incidents are constantly happening. He’s a talented manager but it’s clear he’s not the best at speaking. He’s becoming the Sean Murrray of Square Enix.

>>536570775
I see yeah. Well, I thought Lumiere in general acted as a pretty good springboard to propel the story and journey forward. I think with that kind of premise and narrative the general orientation is to really move forward and explore this wild world that is right ahead, full of mysteries and everything else. But personally I didn't have much built up expectation since the game was under my radar until recently, so I just took it as it is. Oh and coming back to Lumiere as a war thorn zone was a nice visual spectacle at the end too.

I also think the relatively vacant but visually impressive nature of the world stands true to what it really was revealed to be, a painting from a kid, a beautiful place to adventure with a couple other companions, everything else being later creations or additions, even some of the characters we got so invested on. But now that you mention I have a strong feeling they will do plenty of what you're saying to contrast with their previous game and offer other player experiences, and more NPC interaction beyond the adventuring party and the few Nevrons or painting/soul fragments we found.

> Also, let me summon. I want to summon.
Hope you're prepared to collect some feet then heh

My wife Eiko is super cute!

>>536577384
>collect some feet
I took many screenshots of Lune's feet. I hope that whatever they do for the next game, they keep the battle system and overworld traversal in tact.
Literally just iterate on that beautiful combat system, and make new scenarios and settings in each game for the "Clair Obscur" series. Monster summoning. Also, add classes/jobs.

>>536575025
>>536576054
>>536577302
I don't really think he's saying anything controversial:
>"Instead of making 'DR' and 'DRS', in the future we might make 'DR (Quantum)' with a scaling difficulty, which might seem as if it's less content, but in doing so, hopefully we can make something that everyone can do"
If you have even 2 braincells, it's not a controversial thing to say, and it makes sense. You've just got all kinds of people who hate him for no real reason. You've got people who have been playing WoW for the past 20 years in addition to people like Barry spearheading things. He has somehow become Orange Man of video games, or at least of JRPGs and of MMOs, and that is a pretty sizeable audience. No matter what he says, everyone is looking for ways to take it out of context, misquote it, or slant it in the worst way they possible can. Just like with Orange Man, he cannot possibly say anything good to these people. He cannot possibly say anything that's even neutral, everything he says must be bad. Make this child an honorary Secret Service agent for Make a Wish or whatever? We fucking hate it because we hate Yoshida. It's not more complicated than that, and honestly I literally *NEVER* hear about anything that Yoshida says from someone who doesn't obsess about hating Yoshida 24/7. Literally everything I know about him is from 4chan shitposters who fucking hate his guts yet seem to be aware of any interview he's done within an hour of the interview coming out.

>>536505048
Truest muse.

>>536577670
The bestest

>>536558094
Better than Rebirth in all ways. Also good to see you dropped comparing its level and world design to the trash of XIIIs.

>>536578697
I miss her.

>>536578445
>I literally *NEVER* hear about anything that Yoshida says
People who are knowledgeable about yoshida hate yoshida
People who are ignorant about yoshida like yoshida

>>536579142
We went over this last thread, so I wont link my old post.

>>536577934
>I took many screenshots of Lune's feet.
My brother in arms. How could I not either, specially by the campfire... just Lune, me and her feet. That alone is the stuff dreams are made of...

To be honest, whatever Sandfall are cooking next, I'm onboard with. I did enjoy the battle system a lot, but going with how Guilhaume is a fan of a bunch of other Final Fantasy titles, he will probably try to invent or implement another system and make it work just as well as he did with the whole pictos and Lumina system. Could be a good guess game actually, which FF (or another franchise he's influenced by) system or feature is he going to lift from in their next game.

>>536544780
>>536542361
This

>>536568263
This

I just finished Final Fantasy 2 for the first time. I didn't outright hate it like some people do, but I do think it was just okay which is kind of a disappointing feeling to leave a game on.

The leveling mechanics aren't actually bad once you figure them out, the real issue with the game is pacing. SO many times you have to backtrack halfway across the world, then back. Even compared to other final fantasy games. I feel like the encounter rate in this game is higher than others, maybe it's my imagination. Some dungeons went on for so long and the number of dead end rooms behind doors was ridiculous.

On the positive side, I like how important buffs are in battles and there is undeniably a lot of freedom in what kind of characters you end up building.

Like I said I didn't hate it but I don't see myself wanting to do a playthrough of this game again. All in all I feel it is just 'okay'.

I am genuinely curious what anons here think of it. Whether you actually like FF2 and think I'm retarded because I don't "get it", or you outright hate FF2 and think I'm retarded for not being angry enough at it. I just want to talk about the game.

Just finished FFVIII for the first time.
It was pretty good.

>>536579484
2 is in dire need of a remake. Also horrendous dungeons. And so little music.

>>536513913
Kino

>>536485642
>>536499660
Irrefutable, I'm proud to say.

>>536579484
FFII is a better FF game than FFXVI.

>>536579209
Lune sold me the game, in fact. I have incurable yellow fever I'm afraid.
>whatever Sandfall are cooking next, I'm onboard with
Yep. They have the spark needed to take the good kind of risks. My GOTY, and I'm buying two copies of whatever they make next.
I just hope they won't take on too many outside investments or hire too many useless people and ruin their studio.

I literally see the next game to be like Metaphor but better. A true Final Fantasy type, with a storybook overworld, magitek.
Maybe "Persona" or summons that will function alongside the job classes.
A baton pass mechanic for switching your turn around, showtime team up attacks or all out attacks. Basic P5 and SMT things of that nature are a given.
I see them leaning more into the cinematic turn based style further, more so than going to ATB or remixing any FF system. FF hasn't done it in so long, there's not much to be inspired by.

>Clive's character development is based on his relationship with Joshua
A relationship as hollow as that game is

Aerisu!

>>536578163
Who the fuck are these characters?

>>536582130
Homosexuals from XVI

>he has been melting down for 48 hours now
Did we ever find out what triggered him?

>>536579865
Rinoa is Ultimecia.

So Ultimecia is evil because? Who is? Does she even have a motive or is she evil just for the sake of being evil? The Rinoa=Ultimecia theory added depth to a villain that is now just boring and lacks substance. They could've made Adel the main antagonist because atleast she has a reason for being pissed and wouldn't want Ellones power to warn the past self about the trap to imprison her. From what I can see Ultimecia had no motive.

Lune!

Luna!

>>536582780
>evil just for the sake of being evil
hell yeah

Vanille!

>Just finished FFVIII for the first time.
>It was pretty good.
>>>536579865(You)#
>Rinoa is Ultimecia.
Nothing about her backstory nor her dialogue implies this.
I got the impression that she's from much farther into the future.
Her being Rinoa would also ruin the happy ending so I cannot agree.

>>536583241
Vanille Returns: Final Fantasy XIII

>>536582780
Fear of death by SeeD drove her to compress time where she could forestall her demise for all eternity
She was hunted by them her whole life.

>>536583373
>I got the impression that she's from much farther into the future.
Nothing about her backstory nor her dialogue implies this.

Final Fantasy XVI if it was made by straight men

>>536583678
XVI had some good women like…uhhhh…

>>536583678
Not Final Fantasy.

>>536583776
Like Alicia!

>>536583901
Final Fantasy related

>Remember:

/ffg/:
>"you stupid shitposter, Chrono Trigger is NOT Final Fantasy, and it's off-topic!"
the literal same person on /ffg/:
>"E33 is Final Fantasy, actually XVI isn't Final Fantasy, E33 is the real XVI, here are 50 pictures of Lune"

If you have the autism to make 500 posts per thread, (You) too could decide what the narrative is!

>>536584812
Chrono Trigger IS Final Fantasy related.

>actually XVI isn't Final Fantasy, E33 is the real XVI
I've been seeing this sentiment grow more and more

>XII original
>XII Zodiac Job Edition
>XII: Zodiac Age
Which one?

Lost Odyssey is the true FFXIII.

>>536585093
Play it on Steam
Mods

>>536585237
So Zodiac Age?

>>536582287
The devs have already debunked this retarded theory

Is FF XIII actually worth playing? Disregard any fanbase bullshit or expectations, is it good?
I'm finding it near impossible to discuss games without fanbase bullshit

>final fantasy was named because it was squares last attempt at a game before bankruptcy
>final fantasy was named because of nothing to do with above, but because they wanted to call it Fighting Fantasy because that sounded rad, but it was copyrighted so they thought Final sounded good too
Which is true

>>536585523
The second one. The first one is nothing but a myth. Square was financially fine when they made Final Fantasy.

>>536585427
>is it good?
I played it for the first time only last year modded on PC. It's an unforgettable game.
What do you like in a Final Fantasy? The story? The battle system? The music?
Depending on your tastes, you might really like those things in XIII.
But are you looking for deep customization, lots of towns, or extensive exploration of open spaces?
You won't find that much in XIII. FFXIII is all about strapping in for the ride.
It's a movie game with really great music and (I think) a very good story.

>>536585370
No they have not.
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/527388530/#q527429529
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/527388530/#q527430741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-5GZCsjm8Y&t=2468s

SEO: Kitase Rinoa Ultimecia R=U Final Fantasy VIII FFVIII theory debunk

>>536584812
CT was developed off the original pitch for FF7 and published by Squaresoft.
E33 is a bunch of french faggots using Chinese money to cry about art or some shit.

>>536585908
>E33 is
Did you play it?

>>536585773
Chief I'm going to be honest with you
I have never finished an FF game, outside of SoP
I start a ton of them but never finish
I get entranced by the world or something but then it's just so repetitive and boring and I just lose interest, like with 8

>>536585218
This but unironically.
>>536585427
Just XIII? Sure, it's fine.
The sequels are pants on head retarded though.

>>536585908
>E33 is a bunch of french faggots using Chinese money to cry about art or some shit.
It's actually a nepo baby's use of his father's connections to make an "indie" JRPG but with big budget "AA" money and production. Not the worst use of nepo baby connections, and yes the Chinese are involved.

>>536585908
E33 is literally just FFTA, which was also hackery
>dude fiction is le bad you should only work and sleep

>>536586006
You will hate XIII then.

Bros what the Final Fantasy song that sounds like this?
https://voca.ro/1o8qzNFVqTa0

>>536586006
>it's just so repetitive and boring and I just lose interest
I get it. But if you can't even enjoy a bit of grind in a Command based JRPG....this series may not be for you.

Play Final Fantasy VII original. Don't drop it after 2 hours just because you're a zoomer who wants to look at his phone during battle!
Read, listen to the music, learn little tricks, get immersed in the journey. Finish it. If you get it, then you get the series.
Then you should play another one like VI, IV, V, pick up VIII again with new perspective.

Or check out X, XV, or VII Remake series, which is the current best Final Fantasy game.

Which final fantasy girl is futa-coded?

>>536586474
It's not an attention span thing, it's more a I hate when games waste my time thing
I dropped 8 because I could not stand how long it takes from transition to battle

>>536586572
>I hate when games waste my time
What JRPG's do you like?

>>536585427
You should play X-2 instead. It's V, but better. It's also XIII, but better, and it's also XIII-2, but better. If you have not played X-2, and you have played X, then X-2 is worth playing more than the other games listed.

XIII is not a good game. It has a completely unlikeable cast of characters, and a story that has pretty cool lore, but nothing cool is actually done with it, it's just lame cunty girlboss melodrama. Sazh is the only tolerable character, because he's basically just a dude who is along for the ride. You will not come away from XIII thinking "man, I'm very glad I played this game", but I also think that everyone who posts he should play all FF games.

It has graphics that still hold up pretty well, and a soundtrack that sounds different than "Final Fantasy" typically sounds, but it's also generally as good as "Final Fantasy" usually is. The combat is good if you do not level up or else keep your level very low, only leveling up when you cannot beat whatever you are fighting. If you level up normally, it turns into a boring and unengaging autobattler. All the maps are literally hallways, which I personally didn't mind, but that is a pain point that many people have with the games that they already have prejudices against, probably because they think their bogeyman likes it. A map right before the end of the game is a big open field with hunts, but I don't think it's really worth exploring or engaging with. I think it's there for people who want to explore the combat more with max level characters and offers the only semblance of challenge in the entire game if you are leveling up normally, but I think it's more fun and engaging to skip the hunt shit and just go through the story at as low of a level as you can handle.

...and its combat is just a different take on the combat first introduced in X-2, so play that instead. X-2 even has the best minigame in the entire series, the Creature Creator.

>>536586629
I liked Earthbound, Strange Journey and SoP but admittedly I keep thinking I will enjoy JRPGs, but I don't have the patience
I'd like JRPGs more if they were more like Dragon Quest IX and had on field enemies and was actually quick

>>536586747
Play FFXV, FFVIIRemake and FFVIIRebirth

But if you actually do enjoy JRPG's then you should play Final Fantasy VII no matter what.
Ignore the person sperging about X-2. That game is for hardcores only.

>>536586747
Play Chrono Trigger if you haven't already. It's *the* JRPG. Enemies are on field and it's quick. You never need to grind, you can just run through the story. No JRPG has ever come close to the polish and raw experience that Chrono Trigger provides.

>>536584851
*Is not

>>536581187
This is how I Chosen One with all the major monsters sealed inside him.

Final Fantasy needs job system.

The only good thing about XVI was Jill when she was XVI years old.

>>536589235
Couldn’t agree more. A perfect example is how XII added the Job System in the Inter version and suddenly made the gameplay twice as fun. The Job System should be a core mechanic in every FF game.

>>536589235
more like Final Fantasy needs to be fun and enjoyable again

>>536590701
How is that a pun?

Adding Job System to my filter list

>>536589290
Iron Kingdom soldier...

https://x.com/ffbe_jp/status/1959873628691939371?s=46
BE is now officially dead in JP too.

>>536593303
The official winners of the gacha wars: the manlets

>>536593303
Finally

>>536593303
Wait, why the fuck couldn't we get a Memorial Edition in Global too?

>>536593303
I'm would've accepted eXVIus as XVI more than the Clive game.

>>536595514
>Memorial Edition
What's that?

>>536595669
Sadly true.

>>536595669
For what its worth BE probably turned more of a profit than XVI ever will.

>>536595727
Something of an offline museum for your game. Depending on how they go about it you could still see your collected characters, listen to the soundtrack, watch cutscenes, etc.

>>536595938
Sounds nice.

>>536593303
OO wins again baby

>>536593303
Where were you when FFBE JP announced EoS earlier before FFRK JP?

>>536593303
>In the end, RK stands alone

>>536528970
I think the issue I have with Rebirth is more that I prefer XVI's mission structure.
It's very... Team Ninja/Capcom. Select Mission, play through the stage. Next MSQ or do side-quests/Hunts.
I know what I'm getting into.

With Rebirth the line is a lot more blurred (unless you're doing simulator) and there's no clear indication that I'm about to do an exciting stage with a boss fight vs cutscenes and minigames for an hour.

I am enjoying the combat a lot more now, but it might be better for me to come back to Rebirth when I have the time to play this sort of game.

Every single gamer has heard of FF7. Ultimately the only reason why Rebirth would sell badly is if it was a bad game.
If you made a remake of one of the most well known and beloved games of all time, and it was a great game, it would sell lots of copies. The only reason this wouldnt happen is because the people making it fumbled.

>>536611726
>If you made a remake of one of the most well known and beloved games of all time, and it was a great game, it would sell lots of copies.
It really is that simple.

>>536611726
big if true

>>536581187
>she says as she posts a soulless game
Both are cut from the same cloth.

>>536611726
Maybe turning one game into three games wasn’t such a great idea.

>>536611726
True

I’ve never understood why the Gambit system never came back especially now that the series is going full action. This doesn’t mean I want the game to play itself like XII but my point is that, your party members should be able to do shit on their own instead of just standing around waiting for commands for everything. The Synergy materia in 7R didn’t really fix the issue. Your AI teammates should be smart enough to handle themselves like use buff magic or use items, not just go full defense mode the second you switch characters. XV had the opposite issue where the party acts too aggressively and constantly gets themselves killed with no option to command them to fall back or play defensively.

Meanwhile, the Tales games nailed this like 20 years ago. FF always feels like it’s playing catch-up other series when it comes to action and party AI and that’s exactly why the Gambit system should come back. If they’re too lazy to program decent AI, just let players do it themselves.

>>536613667
Sounds like it takes the fun out of ordering your party.

>>536582287
This.

>>536582236
Dunno, but he does love posting screencaps of his boyfriend, especially last thread. And now posts off topic images of E33 (great game tho) out of sheer butthurt over XVI.

>>536614415
It would be nice to have the option. If you prefer giving orders manually, you just don’t use it.

>>536593303
RIP. F.

BUT ALSO
K E E E E E E K
APES UTTERLY BTFO
GUMISIMPS IN SHAMBLES

I think they should remake the first 6 FF games and also VIII. Just regular remakes, not whatever they're doing with VII.

>>536595734
Or any recent game, really.

>>536584812
Probably the same rebirth/13 fag who got mad at me posting Metaphor when I made criticisms towardRebirth, ironically.

VI should be remade first because it's my favorite one

>>536614910
Ok, boomer

>>536608156
>>536605986
>>536601947
Record KINGS always win, baby.

>>536614960
I'm 23

>>536614593
Would be nice if it's a matter of reflex. For example, FFXIV has a skill with a long cooldown that interrupt enemy spells. It would a good balance if you could add it to a gambit (like "if enemy cast => disturb").
But then you get a boss who uses a lot of spells so you want to actually turn the gambit off and use the disturb manually on really big spells, like Flare, instead of wasting it on fire.

>>536613667
>Meanwhile, the Tales games nailed this like 20 years ago
No one cares about tales nor takes inspiration from theme because they are mediocre.

>>536615142
Okay young boomer.

>>536613667
Yeah remake and Rebirth AI combat is utterly fucked, sadly.

>>536613667
>your party members should be able to do shit on their own instead of just standing around waiting for commands for everything
I thought they auto attacked and used abilities

>>536611726
Simple as

>>536613667
You know he chose to start this topic so that XVIfags can’t join the discussion since their game doesn’t have anything to say about party members

>>536617292
There's autoskill materia but it's generally not THAT useful imo.
Also they autoattack but they're bad at it. It's not like setting yourself to Classic Mode they'll build ATB at a snail's pace

Playing the Intergrade DLC for the first time and why am I getting cucked by this guy?

yuffie tummy and butt

>>536611726
Sadly true

>>536619030
You are not cloud and hes not her lover

I love Final Fantasy!!

Expedition 33 should be included in future generals though

>>536623782
No.
Go make your own general if you want to talk about another game.

I didnt like Rebirth but Yuffie was super cute

>>536628796
many such cases

>>536628796
>>536629127
Cute girl trapped in a bad game, a tale as old as time

>>536593303
I'm worried vros, will FF7R-3 and KH4 have a high budget?

>>536629601
no

>>536629601
may be cancelled due to lack of demand

>>536629601
I think they will see them as a lost cause and cut funding. Hopefully that means they'll go all out for a turn based kino ffxvii and bring the series back to the dizzying heights of years past.

>>536629584
>Jote
She deserved a better game…

>>536629676
>>536630115
>>536630882
How mad are yall going to be when 7R3 gets announced within a year?

>>536631245
might shoot my tv.

Don’t get too cocky manlets. Your time is also coming. It’s okay though. The cold embrace of death isn’t so bad, and you’ll be among former frenemies.

>>536629601
The 7R3 trailer will be mindblowing. It will show the only 5 minutes of the game that looks good. Later we'll get a gameplay demo of the only section of the game made in-house.
Then we'll get the game and find out 99% of it was outsourced garbage.

>>536630882
XVII will blend XVI and 7R to create the ultimate 10/10 action turn-based high fantasy kino.
It will also incorporate XII style exploration and side content instead of Rebirth's Ubisoft-style

>>536631728
Sadly true

>>536631728
It happened twice before, so it will probably happen again

ffbe dead
https://x.com/FFBE_JP/status/1959873628691939371?t=czwhRjZCueTP2PcVTk7VoQ&s=19

yoshitpiss really killed ff

its legitimartely fucked how final fantasy went from having 6 active gachas just before the genshin boom to a mere 1 by the end of 2025

>>536632404
Not only are you 8 hours late but you forgot to remove the tracking link from your URL.
Do better, Bazza.

>>536632917
track deez nuts

>>536631795
A mix of XVI and 7R would definitely be the best way forward for XVII. Maybe just this once play it a little more safe and don’t completely reinvent the wheel again and see how that goes. Take the best from two good things and mix em well.

>>536485802
how is it wrong?
you could fit every single walkable area in ff16 inside ff15 and still have the rest of 15s areas to explore
the fucking duscae demo area is bigger than any area in ff16
not to mention clive has only 1 attack combo while noctis has over 20 on top of there being party attacks and directionals and charges and all the different warpstrikes etc

clives entire combat kit equates to barely 40% of what noctis has, not even going into the rest of the party in xv has
or the multiple dungeons abdominal cities while ff16 has 0

ff16 having 20 hopes of cutscenes doesnt make it a bigger GAME
most of your time spent in XV is playing the GAME
most of your time spent in ff16 is watching cutscenes aka watching a MOVIE

even adding kingsglaive and brotherhoods entire runtime to XVs cutscenes dont make it a fucking snoy moviegame like ff16 is

My primary goal when destroying all 7R critics on sight was to protect the games industry from moving away from AAA blockbuster FFVII games to an MMO, GAAS, gacha, paypig future that square will create in its place. But if their mobile games are failing too... what's my mission?

>XV is so empty you could fit another game inside it
LOL

>>536633442
>reddit spacing
You lost.

>>536633442
>20 hopes
Lmao

>valisthea is just empty hallways leading into more empty hallways, with the occasional empty field
Cringe

>FFBE is dead
bwos...

>>536634049
Still better than XIII.

>>536634230
I honestly think even XIII had more reason to explore than XVI did. At least you occasionally did find something valuable off the beaten path in XIII.

>>536634230
not a high bar
>>536634368
XIII had literally nothing, my retarded friend

>>536634368
You're free to be wrong, of course.

>we've successfully steered the conversation back to XIII
good job /ff13g/

>>536634473
Nah, there were side paths that had treasure boxes with nice things in them every once in a while. XVI had glimmers that were 2 Gil or a potion, and treasure boxes full of crafting materials you already had hundreds of.

>>536634621
Why are you whining? We're talking about Final Fantasy.

>>536563424
noctis is taller than everyone there canonically
11 and 14 have no height
clive in ff16 is shorter than 176cm
only in tekken 8 they gave him jin kazamas height and bulld
noctis in t7 has different proportions too
and in ff14 crossover they made clive the same height as noctis

>>536593303
>ff only started dying after ff16
yeah clive and yoshitpiss kill everything

damn... have you all heard the news? FFXVI killed the franchise..

Do you like Kupo Nuts?

I have to be honest, I really didn't expect him to actually go as far as sperging about Noctis' height.

>>536631348
>no kek samefag reply
The council are slipping, or they're busy elsewhere.

>>536636759
barry is a manlet irl so he has some isecurities in that area
makes sense that it would bleed over into his FFXV posts

>>536613667
xv around 2014/2015 originally had gambit system, the datamine confirmed it
one of the names mentioned in the datamine was calling it the Stratagem system so as to not have it called gambit like ff12 but functionality it was the gambit system

it got cut at some point after episode duscae released but remnants of it remained in the form of the party AI behaviour, in particular the ascension menu node unlocks for what the party AI does, like party healing or using medkits on nearby allies or ignis using venomshock or whatever

the original battle system that Tabata patented for ffxv in 2012 had an explicit if>then gambit system functionality too

>>536636892
>>536636935
schizos in tandem!

>>536633867
>>536633798
20 copes from xvi-kun

>>536633764
No I'm talking about overlaying the entire walkable space over walkable space in xv
xvi is so tiny you could fit it all inside xv

xvi has only 30 enemies
xv has over 100 enemies, different times of day, weather, more populated areas ajd outposts with npc and stores in the space too

ff16 has literally both besides finding 2 gil to buy nothing

>>536636759
>>536636914
xvitroons are insecure manlets makes sense they try to make themselves look tall and strong when in reality clive is the weakest ff mc

>>536635725
14 literally has a height slider…

>>536636986
why doesn't ff16 have an rpg battle system?

nomura said ff has to have elemental system to be ff

ff14 and ff16 the only ff to not have them...

>>536637374
Am I XVI-kun if I thought both games were trash? I’d at least give XV a bit more credit for being so ambitious while XVI was a shallow empty bastard child of DMC and GoT with nothing but flashy cutscenes.

>>536637858
there is no canon ff14 height is my point because 14wol is a cac and can be a literal fantasy midget or some barafag race

>>536638021
Personally, XVI was exactly what I was looking for in an FF.
XV definitely wasn't.

>>536638021
xv mogs any ff desu

>>536638236
ff16 is the antithesis to ff

>>536638236
>I wanted dmc from temu in my final fantasy game
You’re not a final fantasy fan

>>536611726
Unfortunate, but these are the facts

>>536639160
I can guarantee that I've been a fan longer than you and have played more Final Fantasy games than you.
FFXVI is a top 5 Final Fantasy.

>>536639189
>old good new bad
Not a true fan.

>>536639432
IV (2) on the SNES. XVI was abysmal dogshit.

>>536639432
>my opinion is worth more because [reason]
Hey, NEWFAG. This isn't reddit, so your karma/posting history has NO INFLUENCE here.

>>536639432
they really didn't like this truth nuke

Oh, it was the fatherless again, got it.
Alright guys, we can ignore that shitposter.

>why do you complain so much about the story in the VII remakes? It's pretty much the same thing as the original
Besides certain specific changes that either make certain parts a bit less effective (the lack of blood during the Shinra building massacre, Cloud not punching Aerith when Sephiroth mindfucks him) or just completely fuck them up (Dyne's death, Aerith's death), the sole existance of the whispers, predetermined fate and alternate timelines not only undermines the original story, but also goes against its themes about loss. How am I supposed to care about a story about accepting the loss of, among other things, loved ones, when I know 1) it was predetermined by fate, 2) said fate can be avoided by way of pure brute force and 3) there are alternate timelines in which said loss didn't happen?
>>536552273
My first game was the GBA version of I, with first "great" game I've played being either IV or V I think. Even then, I think XII is flawed but still pretty good.

>>536639432
It's not worth it bro. Especially when this guy went mask off and has been on a 72 hour melt streak.

I liked and still do like the idea of XVI, I just hate literally everything about how it actually turned out.

>>536641952
FFXVI is worth revisiting. Time for another playthrough.

>>536639783
This

>>536642118
I barely managed to finish it the first time around. The game doesn't even have "builds" or anything of the sort, so no thanks.

>>536642328
Another truth bomb, oof.

>>536642118
I never want to play that game again. I struggled to beat it the first time over how bored I was with it.

I'm beginning to accept that a lot of the criticisms people had of Remake were completely fair.

>>536642328
>I barely managed to finish it the first time around
after 7 years in development, I could say the same about CBU3.

Praising XV and shitting on XVI is wild to me, considering that XVI takes XV's more unique gameplay traits that stray away from older FFs and accentuates those features.
XV is largely an action game that maintains some RPG elements? XVI goes one step further towards full action.
XV strips down party control so about the only thing you can do is occasionally command one of the characters use a specified technique? XVI gives you even less to work with when it comes to an actual party.
XV has a story that puts a larger focus on the main character? XVI... you get the idea.

>>536643087
speaks highly of the game when the game is still a masterpiece, just like the og

>>536642328
Yes, it does. You switch out the Eikons like Jobs. Accessories add a variety of effects too.
You must not have played the game.

>>536643245
>Praising XV and shitting on XVI is wild to me
It's not really that complicated. Imagine that XVkun is your idol and pretend that you are actively trying to emulate him because you have nothing else in life than to be so pathetic.

Understand now?

>>536643335
Anyone who actually did play the game knows you’re full of shit, especially with the accessories thing.

>>536629676
>>536630115
>>536630882
>>536631728
>Flawless deep combat
>Great characters
>Great story
>Great art direction
>Great OST
>Waifus
>Good graphics
>Lots of content
>Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends
This is a 10/10 game

rebirthkek seething again

>>536643623
pic unrelated?

>>536643623
*0/10

>>536643335
>You switch out the Eikons like Jobs
lmao you wish they were like jobs. Only some of the abilities like the shield from titan are noteworthy. Otherwise they are just different flavors of attacks with with pretty vfx.
>Accessories add a variety of effects too.
lol
lmao even

>>536643689
>when someone is melting down for hours/days because someone wanted to talk about the lore of a Final Fantasy game, it's a VIIRgin melting about his bogeyman

>when someone is melting down for hours/day about a Final Fantasy game he hates (he decided he hated it before it came out), it's also a VIIRgin

>>536643623
Funny, this is exactly how I would describe the 10/10 FFXVI. (except I'd upgrade the Graphics from good to great for XVI)

>>536643335
If Dante switch to Beowulf in DMC3, does that make Dante’s job a Monk? And if he switches to Nevan, does that make him a Bard?? Wowwwwww so much depth!!!! So unique!!!!!!! Except that game actually has elemental damage while XVI doesn’t. Does that mean XVI has fewer rpg elements than DMC3!?!?

>>536644252
>Rebirth graphics
shots fired kek

>>536643335
>You switch out the Eikons like Jobs.
True. The Eikons change which commands are available to the player and they each do different things, just like jobs.

>Accessories add a variety of effects too.
True. Arguably, they add more variety than the traditional "increases HP by 500" or "increases ATK by 15" that most FF accessories have had in the past.

>>536643689
>>536643904
>>536644064
>>536644248
>>536644252
The FF7 Remakes are absolute kino made by FF7 fans for FF7 fans, anyone who got filtered by them isnt a true FF chad

>>536644340
Yes.

>>536644340
Hell, your comparison is actually making DMC3 disservice. Those weapons at least have decently varied movesets. All clive gets are the same basic sword attacks, a chargeable magic attack and a limited loadout of eikon abilities. Those basic attacks don't even change between eikons, it's the same fucking sword combo for the whole game (besides zatetsuken I guess).

>>536644635
Do you need to hate Remake in order to make fun of the VIIRgin(s)?

>>536641675
>>536644635
Notice how the rebirthkek didn't (you) this other post.

>>536644635
I liked Remake, but I enjoyed the 10/10 FFXVI even more.

>>536643623
Oh hey I want to say thank you for making it so others can't complain about negative 7R pastas anymore. Really makes my life easier.

>>536644248
>>536644252
XVI flopping did some real damage to the minds of these two s.m.h.

>XVI sucks in every way, except in this way I guess, oh and this, and this was actually pretty cool...
hmm

Rebirth has some great moments but they are too infrequent and spread out in a game that's ultimately just too thin and boring and it doesn't justify 80% of its filler

>>536643623
>flawless deep combat
Slop combat
>great characters
Yep, no issues with the characters.
>great story
laughably bad story unless they fix it in pt3
>great art direction
as bland as it comes
>great ost
yep
>Waifus
yep
>good graphics
looks dog shit maxed out 4k
>lots of content
for the worse
>memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends
only moment that stuck with me was the euphoria from when I finally gave up on the game

6/10 game, at best

>>536645252
>but
And the shitposter reveals himself.

>>536645252
Fair. Many felt the same way. We can only hope that the massive budget cuts to part three will help the team focus and deliver something better.

>>536645280
I have a lot of issues with Rebirth's marvel-tier flanderized characters.
Otherwise agreed on all points.

>>536641675
>the sole existance of the whispers, predetermined fate and alternate timelines not only undermines the original story, but also goes against its themes about loss. How am I supposed to care about a story about accepting the loss of, among other things, loved ones, when I know 1) it was predetermined by fate, 2) said fate can be avoided by way of pure brute force and 3) there are alternate timelines in which said loss didn't happen?
100% true.

When I played Remake and they killed Barret only to bring him back to life 30 seconds later, I thought it was foreshadowing. I thought that it meant in future games they were going to go crazy town banana pants with the story and do fucking anything at all. And then online, some very defensive Remake fans were convinced that the Whipsers were dead at the end of Remake, and if you or anyone else ever said otherwise, they called you a doomer secondary who didn't even play the game. So I took their word for it, I've only been a FF fan since FFI on the NES so what do I know? I put 2 and 2 together, and I thought that the foreshadowing of the Whispers killing Barret combined with the death of the Whispers as an entity at the end of Remake meant that in Rebirth we could finally really go off the rails and get a brand new, unique Final Fantasy experience that could entertain old fans and newcomers alike with how radical and thought provoking the new direction was.

But nope! There was actually no reason to kill Barret and bring him back to life 30 seconds later. There was no point to that. It doesn't actually foreshadow anything. It doesn't set a precedent. It doesn't establish anything. It's not designed to make you think. There is no meaning behind it. It's just cheap smoke and mirrors for the shock factor and nothing more. In typical Nomura fashion, there is literally zero meaning behind anything. He's just doing things that he mistakenly thinks are cool.

>>536645132
>a couple of cool diet-asura's wrath boss fights
>good battle music
>uhhh
Well, shit, I guess it's suddenly a masterpiece
>>536643623
>>536645252
>>536645280
>>536645318
Why do people keep mentioning "great moments"? Like, isn't a good chunk of those moments in the original game already? Is it really that commendable?

>>536644924
many such cases, if the sales are any indication
how did XVI outsell Rebirth so significantly anyway?

>>536645120
>XVI flopping did some real damage to the minds of these two s.m.h.
Why would anyone care about video game sales?

Meanwhile the people who do actually care about video games sales (i.e. the VIIRgin(s)) had their game flop worse than XVI. Square Enix still hasn't told anyone how much it sold because they're too ashamed. The kicker here is that Part 3 is going to sell EVEN WORSE than Rebirth, unless they do a day 1 release of a complete edition bundle, which includes all 3 games for $60 or $70. That way they can also count the bundle as a 3 separate game sales rather than just the sale of Part 3, allowing them to triple dip on their numbers and massively inflate how many people bought it, and then come out with some ridiculous figure like:
>"Part 3 sells 21 million (7*3) copies in 7 days!!!!"
and then all the VIIRgins can rejoice because the only thing they care about is sales, not video games.

>>536645486
I remember saying there was a possibility of the whispers returning, as Sephiroth was shown to be absorbing many of them towards the end of the game. Unfortunately this caused someone to call me a doomer and a hater. I didn't even said they WOULD return, only that it were possible. Turns out I was right, but I doubt that guy would ever be humble enough to admit it.

>>536644340
There’s a reason why people who know action games weren’t exactly wow’d by XVI’s combat. The game has genre entry-level combat at best.

>>536645891
Sales might become important again soon thanks to the Switch 2. But we'll have to wait and see if they're important or not. We don't want another GOTY blunder on our hands.

>>536645793
>>536645891
Salesfagging was always a retarded argument when it comes to quality. By that metric, Call of Duty is way better than any FF game by far. If anything, the only reason I care about sales is because I want SE to go bankrupt.

>>536645891
True. I wonder if they will. SE leadership does seem to want to push VII at all costs so I wouldn't be surprised if they doubled down like this and anounced 7R4 or something instead of just focusing on XVII.

>>536645948
>Unfortunately this caused someone to call me a doomer and a hater
It probably was due to your shitposting tone. You didnt care about how the whispers returning or not will affect the plot, it was more like "i bet they are returning because the remake sucks and it must stay stuck forever, so that implies whispers will be returning". Work on your words and tone and maybe people wouldnt be so antagonistic. Try to be better at arguing and presenting ideas.

>>536645891
I haven't seen a melty this bad since yoshida last cried on stage.

>>536646116
>salesfagging is okay to push my agenda but not yours

>>536646187
Which time? There have been several.

>>536646116
>>536646307
>>536646187
>Salesfagging was always a retarded argument when it comes to quality. By that metric, Call of Duty is way better than any FF game by far.
By that metric, the salesfags must also admit that XIV is objectively the best Final Fantasy game, but they don't like it when you use their own logic against them.

The salesfags literally cannot win. Rebirth loses to XVI, objectively, and Remake and VII both lose to XIV. Not even Barry can win the retarded salesfag logic argument, because XV loses to XIV as well.

>>536646307
Except I'm not using salesfagging to win an unrelated argument or to prove anything, I'm just watching the numbers from time to time, expecting them to eventually fail, out of pure, petty spite.

>>536646162
I assure you my tone was neutral. It was the person I was talking to who seemed angry, like you. Pointing out that Sephiroth absorbed the whispers was simply a fact, and it made an overdefensive fan scream about haters and doomers and insisting the whispers were gone because he just assumed I was attacking the game. Not only was I not doing that, but I turned out to be right and he was wrong.

>>536646615
>It was the person I was talking to who seemed angry, like you
See, this is where i coming from.
Work on your tone, be better and maybe people wouldnt be so antagonistic. This is entirely on you.

>>536646615
It's quite funny that a scenario that he considered to be the "doomer" outcome is exactly what happened but you just know he did not call it bad. By his own definition he got the doomer plot, but how long until he decided "this is good actually... AND anyone who thinks otherwise is a hater doomer!"

>>536646162
>You didnt care about how the whispers returning or not will affect the plot, it was more like "i bet they are returning because the remake sucks and it must stay stuck forever, so that implies whispers will be returning".

I'm not that guy, but what I said was something along the lines of:
>"...you guys really think they invented a plot device that EVERYONE hates, showcased it heavily in Part 1, killed Barret for 30 seconds just to bring him back in order to demonstrate the plot device's power... and you think that plot device is just gonna disappear in Part 2? How? Why?"
and I got called a doomer secondary who didn't even play the game. So I feel quite vindicated that it turned out I was right, and I actually feel even more vindicated that suddenly the VIIRgin defenders completely forgot that they spent a few years saying the Whispers were dead and everyone who says they were coming back is a doomer... only to do a 180 and decide that now they love the Whispers, even though they hated them in Remake.

>>536646696
What did you think of the whispers returning in part 2?
>>536646807
Haha probably

Guys... maybe... maybe the "doomers" were the real fans all along...
...maybe ...maybe *I'm* the fake fan...

>>536646853
Your reasoning feels very poor. Work on that.
The idea of the whispers losing at the of remake was to basically disarm the planet from having any agency and now Sephiroth/Aerith have the key to decide whats best for the planet. Thats why you have the white whispers / black whispers war in rebirth. The plotting is around Aerith/Sephiroth deciding a better outcome than ff7 original, but having to fight back what the planet decides for itself.

Then:
>ok ok fine if the time jannies do return in rebirth I'll say it's bad ok? happy? the whispers being destroyed at the end is the entire POINT of remake, so if they undo that they make remake pointless, so yes fine I will call it bad if that happens
Now:
>you need to work on your tone

>>536647184
LMAO

Will a Fortnite collab save VII part 3? Maybe not. Maybe it’s already too late. Should have gone with Fortnite last year instead of Apex.

>>536646807
I don't really believe that anon when it comes to his tone, but the fact that those same remakefags who defended the changes made to the story also tried to convince everyone that those changes would not be present in part 2 is pretty funny? Like, it's almost like they admit to the fact that those changes sucked. Even now they just kind of ignore them and pretend the game has exactly the same plot as the original's post-midgar disc 1 but better.

>>536647107
>Your reasoning feels very poor. Work on that.
It was correct reasoning that was proven to be correct though.

>>536647107
I see... now that I understand it... it's good
Thank you anon
In retrospect they weren't doomers at all, but fans who understood the plot better than anyone else

>>536647184
It's funny how things turn out

>>536647223
We need Her to return now more than ever.

>>536647241
This. It seems to me that whoever insisted the whispers were gone for good has poor reasoning skills.

>>536646162
>it would suck if the whispers returned
How did you feel when they appeared again?

>>536647540
I liked Addison Rae, but I liked Ariana Grande even more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSSUa2qW4tc

>>536647746
>How did you feel when they appeared again?

>>536647746
Who are you quoting?

>>536644924
According to a v thread theres apparently some new 16 DLC coming and will be announced at the TGS I think, I hope they make Jill and Joshua playable and the new DLC but also in the previous content too

>>536648364
Really? That would be cool. Why would they do this though..Is FFXVI being released on Switch 2?

>>536648242
If you equate someone claiming the whispers returning with them saying remake sucks and them coming back would mean the next part would also suck, you must see the whispers returning as a negative. But maybe not?
I'm curious to know how you felt about their return.

>>536648498
Will this be another royal edition situation? Will they finally let you control the other party member?

>>536648498
Supposedly its going to be announced at a Playstation event alongside some Horizon mutliplayer game but the again it's just a thread with 0 evidence and theres been plenty of threads like that about some upcoming Shonen Jump arena fighter with 200 characters yet it's been years so they were fake

>>536648498
Even Elden Ring can barely run on the Switch 2. XVI on the Switch 2 would only end as more ammo for anti-yoshida shitposting.

>>536648948
I wonder if you were back there.
I was.
Dont lecture me.

>>536648960
I don't mind. More releases and more content is good and may quiet some of the naysayers.
>>536649107
Would be a smart move for SE if it comes to Switch 2. Same with XIV.
>>536649231
They can do it. It's just a question of how much resources they want to put it to adjust it for Switch 2. Elden Ring could have achieved the same if they cared enough.

>>536648960
I'd rather have a Remind scenario with meaningful changes to the battle system / enemy design.

>>536649623
Asking you how you felt about the whispers showing up in rebirth isn't a trick question. I'd like to hear how you felt about it. This is, after all, a final fantasy discussion board.

>>536651259
I mean if you wanna know so bad, i think it is fine. Showing them as an extension of Sephiroth works just fine and it makes sense.

>>536651259
I think FFXIII sucks ass and is a disgrace.

>>536649231
Don't worry man, you can downgrade and rewrite half the game to sell 50k copies.

what sexual techniques do you think Boko taught Krile

>>536643335
HAHAHAHAHAHA
XVI faggots are fucking shameless....

>>536651390
Agreed. I guess those doomers were on to something.

>>536651859
How to play a man.

>>536651859
Boko would not fucking do this.

>>536643335
You've made some people very upset by saying this. Good job.

>>536652242
Boko is a confirmed fucker
he has fucked
and he will fuck again

>>536643245
>XV strips down party control
I played the game and it had full party switching

It also had an item system as well as an elemental system...it also had a unique mechanic for traversal, as well as cooking, fishing, pinball, and other side activities and forms of interactivity that loop back into the game design.

You know....like a Final Fantasy game.

>say something blatantly untrue
>get called out on your bullshit by several people
>pat yourself on the back for allegedly making people upset
Such is the life of the fatherless.

>>536652276
Defending XVI's design makes you basically garbage.

>>536652276
So did you. The Bengali couldn't even hide his seething this time.

>>536653031
>I played the game and it had full party switching
*after dlc
>It also had an item system
which broke the game
>as well as an elemental system
just had to mine your spells first

>>536651859
you just know

>>536653474
Yeah, XV didn't have much when myself and most other people played it. It was like an empty early access game.
I dropped that slop like a hot potato after beating it.

>>536653143
He's just pathetic, isn't he?

>>536643567
>>536644109
>>536646073
>>536644743
It's too bad the XVI faggot sissies always flee from actually discussing the slop...

Incoming deflections to every single other Final Fantasy game under the sun ala Barry-tier.
You know it's coming, they've expended VIIR shitposts already and are currently priming to engage the XV shitposts as we speak.
XVI-kuns really upset about the merciless whipping they received yesterday.

Alright, this thread is absolute dogshit, can we have a redo please?

>>536608925
>I prefer XVI's mission structure.
>It's...not a Final Fantasy game
Caught you.

>>536655371
good job
we couldn't let that bit of positivity for XVI slide
he'll think twice next time

>>536655201
I agree.

I once again move to adopt Expedition 33, and unanimously shelf all FFXVI discussions indefinitely.

>>536655371
The post that decimated the Yoshida cultists.

>>536655371
>>536655559
It is what it is.
If I prefer it then it must be doing something good eh?

>I prefer XVI's mission structure.
>I know what I'm getting into.

https://files.catbox.moe/5100g3.mp4

>>536655683
Love that movie.

>>536656290
Play the original Final Fantasy VII
Then complete Rebirth
Then you are allowed to come into this general and discuss those games

>check back in on /ffg/
>he is STILL melting about Yoshida
Something really bad must have happened to him on Saturday for him to still be this upset.

>>536648364
>>536649107
I want to know more about this. Is there a source somewhere?

>>536656929
My guess is that the holidays are almost over, and he'll have to return to school soon.

>the game leans heavily on long cutscenes. They are beautifully directed and deliver the kind of substance you’d expect from a movie or big-time TV, but at times they can feel indulgent.
>In fact, I had my Xbox screensaver kick on more than once during extended sequences. Which took me out of the experience more than once.

>>536654645
XVIfag is your fatherless boyfriend now too?
Who isn't the fatherless at this point, exactly? You?

>>536657582
That is Final Fantasy.
Final Fantasy has always been this way.

>>536654645
You struck a nerve, took him 30 minutes to stop crying and actually come up with a lame repartee.

>>536657086
>Is there a source
>according to a v thread
XVI was designed without the other characters in mind.
You need to accept the game for what it is.

>>536657891
You heard it here folks, the Xbox screensaver is Final Fantasy. It's always been this way.
I'm convinced you refuse to actually read more than 6 words of any single post.

>grossly irregular Final Fantasy game with 80 hours of open world slop and minigames
/ffg/'s shitposter loves it

>Standard Final Fantasy with lots of cutscenes and some gameplay
/ffg/'s shitposter hates it

>>536657086
Nope just a v thread that said that the Playstation Showcase would happen between late September and early November in the list included Gravity Rush Remake Horizon mutliplayer game and DLC for FF16, it's just a v thread so I wouldnt get hyped right now

Cutscenes so long your console will put itself to sleep.

>>536658271
>ultra diet dmc
>standard final fantasy
Keep telling me about how much of a trur fan you are.
I hope SE keeps on their stubborn, retarded crusade to make this series appealing to modern western gamers. 17 WILL be an FPS and at least one you all over here WILL rush to defend it as true FF kino

>>536655802
>>536658561
Now they're gonna start relentlessly attacking Rebirth, right on cue.
Attacking a better game doesn't make that offline MMO dung heap better.

>>536658727
Don't group me in with you, buddy.

>>536658561
>Keep telling me about how much of a trur fan you are.
>trur
>trur
First off, if I were (You), which thankfully I'm not, I'd start spamming pictures of an Indian guy while samefagging 20+ times in the thread (even though there are only 5-10 people here) about your typo. That's what would be happening for the rest of the thread if I was as pathetic as (You) are.

Second, I just told you how I'm a true FF fan. Final Fantasy XVI is a standard Final Fantasy game. Rebirth is Ubisoft and minigame bloat wearing Final Fantasy VII's skinsuit, but you look the other way because the combat is kinda fun and you love Cloud, Sephiroth, and Tifa, no matter how unfaithful to the original they are.

>>536655201
The shit threads will continue until the pedo OPs cease.

>>536658271
funny how that happens
the loudest online voices seem disconnected from reality

>>536658935
>Rebirth is Ubisoft and minigame bloat wearing Final Fantasy VII's skinsuit
I know it, you know it. I say this all the time and it's so true.

You know what is disconnected from reality?
Pissing and crying about the presence of mini games in Final Fantasy VII
It's almost like you never played that game or something

>>536658271
>and some gameplay
7 H O U R S
H
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U
R
S

As a true Final Fantasy fan, one of the only true Final Fantasy fans in this thread, possibly even the only true Final Fantasy fan in this thread, I was never once reminded of Final Fantasy while playing E33.

>>536657891
True. I don't think the shitposters have really played many Final Fantasy games desu

>>536658935
>minor spelling mistake
Well, I guess you are right. And I guess I'm suddenly a remake fan despite posting earlier about how much I hate the time jannies. Well, once FFXVIII comes out and turns out to be a 60hs long rhythm game with an attack and defense stat added in just so it qualifies as an "RPG", I hope you enjoy it.

fucking mini game slop
only a true Final Fantasy fan can come out and say that
that's why I love 16

>>536659314
>I had my Xbox screensaver kick on more than once during extended sequences
But don't you know? Your screensaver kicking on or your console going to sleep because you haven't touched the controller in 15-30 minutes is standard Final Fantasy.
There's no single way anyone could possibly have a problem with this, it's standard Final Fantasy.

>>536659335
Yeah you're a true Final Fantasy fan alright.
That's why every single time me or someone else posted proof from the mouths of the developers themselves that they were deeply inspired by Final Fantasy X, you do everything in your power to pretend it's not true.

You're probably the same guy who copes about how actually Clive was in E33 and Broche actually hates Rebirth (no source)

>>536659447
>Well, I guess you are right.
Yes I am.

>Well, once FFXVIII comes out and turns out to be a 60hs long rhythm game with an attack and defense stat added in just so it qualifies as an "RPG", I hope you enjoy it.
I hope I enjoy it as well. Sounds like it could be fun. You don't play video games though, so it's okay that you don't know that.

>>536659335
>Pretending the game doesn't resemble FFX
Huh, I guess that one Lord of the Rings RPG was actually inspired on Pokemon.

>>536660290
That's called a spin off for a reason, you know? And yeah, I'm pretty sure even Patapon would get boring if it had XVI's pacing.
Hell, even if it was turn based, it would be frustrating. Like a linear, much less cryptic version of Dragon Quest VII.

>grossly irregular Final Fantasy game
Ooo ooo, I know this one!

>>536660307
>>Pretending the game doesn't resemble FFX
If you believe that you see FFX in E33, that's on you. The fact that you have to make an extremely retarded argument which I did not make on my behalf and then attack that one instead proves that you lost. Obviously the Lord of the Rings game is a clone of FFX.

>>536660051
>That's why every single time me or someone else posted proof from the mouths of the developers themselves that they were deeply inspired by Final Fantasy
A person can be inspired by something and produce something that does not resemble what they were inspired by. Anyone who makes a "traditional" JRPG in 2025 would undoubtedly have been inspired at least in some degree by Final Fantasy. I believe I have made this same reply to you before, but you almost always ignore posts that handily refute the drivel you spew and you pretend they don't exist. That's kinda your thing, you ask questions or bring up points, you receive answers or counter points (for months), but you just repeat the same rhetoric over and over again: "wah wah no one ever replies to me or refutes what I'm saying so I win"

>[he threw in a bogeyman post for good measure]
lol you literally cannot help yourself

>>536660290
Based Final Fantasy enjoyer

>>536659178
Get out of my sight already.

>>536660598
I accept your concession.

>>536660307
>>536660051
>>536660598
(I just realized these are most likely samefag)

>>536658935
HUGE
if you played it

>>536661081
Actually, yes? I posted the spin off and lord of the rings one, but how is that samefagging? I tought you and the anon posting about expedition 33 not resembling FF were different people.

>>536658935
/ffg/ is not ready for this level of truthful discourse

>>536660846
>produce something that does not resemble what they were inspired by.
But it does resemble it. And you're the one crying about mini games in this thread aren't you?
>Anyone who makes a "traditional" JRPG in 2025 would undoubtedly have been inspired at least in some degree by Final Fantasy.
That's why you are so concerned about making it known to everyone how Final Fantasy has nothing to do with E33 huh.
You'll take the developers words and you'll take the news articles and you'll take the in person meetings and you'll say "harrumph!"
Get out of my sight.

>>536661081
Dummy

>>536660719
>make a shallow, empty, yet otherwise pretty world in XVI
>fuck that up with the shitty lavender filter at endgame
The OST and voice acting for this game are probably the only aspects that didn't end up being completely fucked up.

>>536661584
What I wanted to try to bring to attention is the horribly non standard UI which leads to a cluttered experience literally defined by following a checklist of fetch quests around a dead MMO world.

Blue windows be damned! Standard Final Fantasy contents be DAMNED!
All you need is some random Moogle tossed in at the last hour who does nothing, and for everything to be "big and expensive"
That's standard Final Fantasy.

>>536661584
>he's never played FF6 World of Ruin
hello newfriend

>>536635947
>Dragon Quest dies on the exact same day
Yoshi P has so much power that he's killing non-FF mobile slop as well. Based!

We've decided many times in this thread that photographic evidence is not proof of anything. Look, I didn't make either one of those posts!

>>536661540
>But it does resemble it.
No. Final Fantasy doesn't own the concept of a world map in a JRPG.

>That's why you are so concerned about making it known to everyone how Final Fantasy has nothing to do with E33 huh.
I don't know what you're getting at here. It doesn't. I played the game. I'm also a Final Fantasy fan. If you are not "well-played" enough to see the more appropriate comparison games within E33, ones which are much more apt than Final Fantasy, then that reveals your own lack of breadth of knowledge. Like I already said, I think any "indie" dev making a "traditional" JRPG in 2025 was undoubtedly inspired by Final Fantasy. It is a staple JRPG series. Doesn't mean that it's "omg the real FFXVI!" just because it has a world map.

>>536662005
FF6's world of ruin had lots of content in its world. They are absolutely not of the same quality just because they're both post-apocalyptic scenarios.

>>536662153
To be fair, people just associate the concept of " cinematic fantasy JRPG with modern graphics" with FF. Currently, there are tons turn based RPGs coming out, but Expedition 33 is the closest thing there is to filling that void left by FF. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I do understand the hype.

>>536662153
But I DID make one of those posts, nincompoop.
You're so god damned defensive about FFXVI and Naoki Yoshida, you know that?
So sensitive.....you'll jump to any conclusion you want to just to avoid any kind of basic reality like "E33 was inspired by FF"

>Guiallaume Broche: I am deeply inspired by Final Fantasy, Persona, Devil May Cry, Souls, and many more great Japanese games. E33 is a product of that passion and love.
>Shitposting anon: NOOOO he doesn't really mean it. E33 is not FF at all, it doesn't matter what the creator says, and just because he said so doesn't mean anything at all, you can't see any resemblances because I refuse to see resemblances, also I refuse to lose face in my defense of Naoki Yoshida's blundersome decisions regarding the brand and so I must double down no matter what

I see, I see....

>>536658727
So Rebirth sold 1.4 million on Steam and 2 million on PS5 that makes 3.4 million, good but it deserves way higher sales

>>536663127
Two games down, 10 million sales in 5 years......
It's not bad.

>>536663127
board member sama...
tell us what SE's goals actually are...

Why the fuck is going on here? What's up with all the spamming and extremely low quality posts?

>>536663316
XVI got yet again exposed as a terrible game, which sent the cult into overdrive.

>>536663316
A few Yoshi cultists are kicking and screaming about Expedition 33 being drafted to the general.

>>536568137
putain...

>>536663127
*at best
more like 3M max
meanwhile XVI is at 5M now

Seeing a lot of numbers but not seeing a lot of official milestones here.

>>536663601
5M is a big milestone. You would think they would have announced that by now.

>>536663682
You're right. We'll have to go by the official numbers.
Rebirth - 0 copies sold
FFXVI - Over 3 Million copies sold

>>536662153
>>536662916
And, expanding on my post, I think part of the reason some FF fans may insist on how much Expedition 33 feels like a "true FF" or at least they want modern FF to be is kind of related to that one point about the world map: for years we were gaslit about how modern, realistic graphics just don't work with stuff like world maps and turn based combat because of how "silly" it would and how "outdated" those concepts were, not only by modern fans, but even those at Square Enix working on the damn games. So yeah, the fact that Expedition 33 exists is quite vindicating, even if the similarities with are FF are surface level.

>>536663923
>Rebirth - 0 copies sold
>XVI - 3 million copies sold
>E33 - 3.3 million copies sold
All the more reason to replace XVI with E33.

>>536662994
>you'll jump to any conclusion you want to just to avoid any kind of basic reality like "E33 was inspired by FF"
Man, little bro can't even pretend to be able to understand words he doesn't like, can he? You pissed your pants like this last time, pretending to not be able to understand, and you're pissing your pants again, even after I said that yes, anyone making an "indie" JRPG in 2025 would undoubtedly have been "inspired" by Final Fantasy, even if the product they make is more reminiscent of other games than Final Fantasy. Honestly, E33 feels the *most* like Nier. You wouldn't know that though, would you? After all, you only just played the Persona games, right? You literally just do not know what you are talking about. You are very far out of your element. You are experiencing the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Here's an example, which you are going to pretend to be unable to understand, just like you do in every single argument you get into:
If I were to ever make a video game, it would be a third person action game where you collect 3 of at least 12 different artifacts, and these artifacts determine your "build" and loadout and abilities and skills and stuff. You'd then kill bosses sort of Shadow of the Colossus style. You could choose different methods of traversal with the artifacts, like one could be sorta "Sonic" style movement, one could be Shinobu or even Noctis style warping, you could choose weapons that could have a scope, turning the game into more of a third person shooter if you wanted, etc.

And I would say it was inspired by Final Fantasy, because it would be.

All I know is that Clair Obscur was excellent, it filled up the Final Fantasy hole for 2025, I laughed, I cried, I was stunned and I was dazzled.
It's absolutely the game of the year and RPG of the year and OST of the year, no matter what a corporate award show says.

Frankly, at this rate I feel it'd be better for E33 to not take GOTY because it'd make these threads permanently unusable.

XV sold a lot so it's a masterpiece. So much better than XVI.

>>536664607
A lot of people feel similarly.

>>536664468
Gee, it's almost like the franchise is struggling at holding the atention of anyone besides VII nostalgiafags and super autists like you and me. If only SE, you know, made a good FF game again. It's been over 20 fucking years.

We know CS3 is capable of writing amazing, nuanced villains with completely sympathetic viewpoints. They succeeded tremendously with Emet-Selch. They utterly failed with Ultima and his cronies. Meanwhile E33 also succeeded in writing an Emet-Selch caliber of villain with Renoir. That is why E33 is the true XVI.

>>536662916
>To be fair, people just associate the concept of " cinematic fantasy JRPG with modern graphics" with FF. Currently, there are tons turn based RPGs coming out, but Expedition 33 is the closest thing there is to filling that void left by FF. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I do understand the hype.
That is fair and true. I just think it evokes non-FF games much more than it evokes FF.

>>536663948
>is kind of related to that one point about the world map: for years we were gaslit about how modern, realistic graphics just don't work with stuff like world maps
Yeah, that's why I mention the world map bit. It seems the world map is pretty much *the* thing tying E33 to FF... even though FF has not had a true world map since IX, unless you count Type-0. Maybe you could count XV, but I feel like that's different.

>>536663923
>>536664079
>FFXVI - Over 3 Million
you missed the over part
SE has officially stated that XVI has sold anywhere from 3M++ to infinity copies

>>536664782
>Meanwhile E33 also succeeded in writing an Emet-Selch caliber of villain with Renoir.
It really is such a shame that the big reveal of the game is Star Ocean 3.
Not my biggest gaming disappointment, but I genuinely though it might end as a 10/10 game while I was going through it, until I got to Act III. So much greatness was just completely squandered with E33. It says a lot that they could completely botch the ending, like absolutely totally and completely, no survivors everything burnt, and the game still ends up being a 7/10 or 8/10.

>>536656382
lol

>>536665040
I don't think this is a fight you want to be picking.

>>536664850
That's still 9 games out of the 10 "classics" and even some people who like X tend to complain about the lack of a world map. To be honest, yeah, that's a rather minor element, it's not really that big of a deal. I guess some people (including myself) are just that desperate for a SNES-PS1 style game but with modern graphics.

If I were ever to make a video game, it would be a turn based JRPG with real time elements, high fidelity visual presentation and stunning cinematics.
It would have a unique visual style that is realistic but surreal, edgy, defined by a fantastical world that isn't entirely what it seems to be.
It would have an overworld map to traverse, where your character and the world is approximately sized like a miniature.
You would approach each areas approximations on the overworld and then transport into the field to fully explore it.
You will travel and explore the world on land, by air, and by sea with a vehicle.
There will be traversal obstacles as well as areas that can only be reached with the airship I mean vehicle.

It would feature an important characters death to signify a transition in the story.
It would have sweeping orchestral music filled with pianos, female vocals, experimental jazz and rock tracks, electronic and funk elements.
It would have bold character themes that relate the unique emotions of each character to play at specific moments.
It would have female party members front and center who are complex and dynamic.
It would have a Blue Mage in the party who learns Enemy Skills.
It would have all of the basic elemental systems, it would have status ailments like slow/stop/poison/shock etc etc.
It would have a turn order in the UI on the side of the screen.
Lots and lots of different weapons for each character that tie in with unique mechanics as well as allow for endless build variety.
It would have a skill equipment system that allows you to customize each character individually
After mastering a skill you can then equip it using a points resource without using up the item slot so that you can equip something else.
The story and scene direction would be top tier. It would have melodrama around every corner, teenage angst, and heart breaking melancholy.

The ending would be bitter sweet and would have the entire gaming world talking about it for years.

>>536665162
>the dumb Yoshi cultist faggot is shit talking the beautiful 10/10 ending to E33
Loser. Absolute loser.

>>536665329
It's really weird when you tell someone who "loves 16" to play the original Final Fantasy VII and they say "why would I play the original"?

>>536666150
>turn based JRPG with real time elements
So not turned based?

>>536666704
Sorry, anon. It's not my first rodeo. I've seen the E33 reveal in video games too many times. It was bad the first time, it was bad the second time, and it was bad once again with E33. If you're a zoomer who doesn't play video games and this is the firs time you've ever experienced "it was all a dream!", like if you never learned in your English classes in your zoomer schools that this is a terrible cop out trope, then I can understand how you mistakenly think it's 10/10. The first time I ever heard "and then you woke up! it was all a dream!" I was in third grade I think and I thought it was genius.

>>536662994
Are you just gonna ignore this (>>536664245) like you always do?

i kind of wish i had that picture of Krile spanking Bartz in the butt, but it's no longer on skeb. at least i saved that one of bartz fucking krile.

>>536663427
Oh, so the E33 cultists are seething, I see.

>>536667148
Buddy almost every single JRPG has some sort of real time element nowadays
Whether it's moving around on the field or dodging and blocking, or even just getting the preemptive strike from behind, Command based, turn based games are not a monolith of random encounters from the past.

>>536667438
Yes. Well, the E33 cultist (singular) is also a chronically seething VIIRgin and the fatherless Lightning avatarfag XIIkun, so this is just another extension of his desperate deflection *away* from Rebirth and *against* XVI/XIV/Yoshida.

He also thinks people are "kicking and screaming" about E33 for some reason. First off, it's off-topic, but he only cares about off-topic things when he *cannot* use them to shitpost against XVI with. Second, I'm being justly critical of E33 while still praising it. I think "the ending is total and absolute dogshit, but somehow the game ends up being an 8/10 anyway" is pretty high praise.

>>536667956
What has Yoshida done to trigger such a hatred?

>>536668108
Made the most successful Final Fantasy games.
That's all it takes.

>>536668108
It's impossible to say, but it started well before XVI released, so it has nothing to do with XVI.

>>536668189
Success breeds jealousy, huh?

Anyone who defends any of the games from XIII onwards is a retard. End of discussion. Waiting for that one """true FF fan""" to tell me about how "unambitious" the old games were and how either VIIR, XV or XVI is the one "true FF kino". Either that or vanillefag playing dumb.

>>536667170
>durrrr I'm da smart guy, you da stoopid zoomer guy!
>that's why I have no emotional intelligence to actually engage with a storyline that is about grabbing the player and showing them the reality of the human condition of living in a world with rampant escapism
Alright mister genius real Final Fantasy fan, what do you think should have happened instead of Alicia getting kicked out of the painting?
You think the story would be better off if Lumiere was just a real place, and they just kill the Paintress, and all the Nevrons were real monsters? You think the story would be smarter if it was less interesting....?

You're a Yoshit cultist crybaby though, that is for sure. You suck this nigga off night and day, beyond all shadow of a doubt. You've been bitching and pissing about E33 for hours now.

>>536668461
>Waiting for that one """true FF fan""" to tell me about how "unambitious" the old games were and how either VIIR, XV or XVI is the one "true FF kino".
True FF fan here. I've never said any of these things except that I am one of, and possibly the only true FF fan in this thread. You are once again creating an argument for your bogeymen on their behalf.

>>536668108
>>536668189
>>536668236
>>536668414
Afraid so, given how he immediately proved you right.

>>536665483
The cultists are kicking and screaming my guy. We gotta really push the campaign up to 11 if we want them to get the message that they aren't welcome anymore.
They can take their Yoshida worship and XVI sucking to xivg and never come back.

BE has such amazing sprites for an FF game, they need to repurpose it. Maybe an offline version or remake V and VI.....then again I rather have them in 3D. What exactly was BE about?

>he hasn't realized that e33 has sold less than XVI by any possible estimation
You'll have to go back to championing BG3 or Spiderman again if you want to win this one champ

>>536669168
XVI suckers are off topic.

>>536668673
Ok, now being serious, I didn't make that up. Maybe he was baiting, but I do remember that there was one anon in particular who was praising XV for being a "true final fantasy game", "ambitious" and "unique" and then dismissed my arguments by calling DQXI, FFIX and either VI or VII too "unambitious".

>>536669249
XVI haters indeed always are

>>536669168
>he hasn't realized that e33 has sold less than XVI by any possible estimation
it sold 3m just like XVI with stronger legs

>>536668589
>>you da stoopid zoomer guy!
I mean, you have continually proven that you are just a dumb zoomer. You don't even play video games. You've played like 5 FF games. You only just now played the nuSona games. You almost certainly have not played the Nier games. You are out of your element. You are speaking, with false authority, about a subject that you have practically ZERO knowledge of, and that's your entire personality. You spend 18 hours per day here shitposting, you can't complete all of the games I have played in my lifetime while you're shitposting on 4chan.

>>that's why I have no emotional intelligence to actually engage with a storyline that is about grabbing the player and showing them the reality of the human condition of living in a world with rampant escapism
Little guy, I promise you I understood and picked up on more of the references, meaning, allusions, homages, parallels, and symbolism in E33 than you did. Act III is just shitty. That's all there is to it. It squanders everything it spends Act I so beautifully creating. It's a sad disappointment to all "well-played" (i.e. well-read) appreciators of good media. And despite how badly it fumbled what could have been, it's still a very good game. I don't know why you're upset about this being my opinion. Then again, you're mad at someone else because he said he liked Remake and Rebirth, so who knows with you.

>You're a Yoshit cultist crybaby though, that is for sure.
No one is even talking about the guy you're obsessed with except for you. You're the one who turned this into an E33 thread, so I'm replying with my opinion about E33, which you refuse to reply to. All you do is screech and screech and moan and bellyache about your bogeyman. What is wrong with you? I liked E33. I even said it's still a good game. A 7/10 at least, maybe even an 8/10. You're doing that thing that triggers you that your bogeyman does by falsely stating a game with significant flaws is a 10/10.

>>536669380
Do you own Final Fantasy XVI?

>falsely stating a game with significant flaws is a 10/10.
>falsely

>>536668831
not gonna lie the thumbnail made it look like Vanille (is that her name?) getting ready to be mounted doggystyle.

>>536669809
Yeah, E33 has significant flaws and it's not a 10/10. I think zoomers are just starved for actually good media, because they've been pumped full of live service slop and capeshit their entire lives, so this one game was pretty good all the way until the end, and it's now life changing for them. It's like Undertale 2.0 or something. I will say though, people like you give its fanbase a horrible reputation. It's really annoying to say something obvious, like "Act III's reveal is bad" and have pseudo intellectuals says that "it's a 10/10, you just aren't smart enough to understand it". That's what you sound like. The reality is you're just experiencing the Dunning-Kruger effect. You need to become both more "well-played" and well-read.

>I'm the authority
>E33 fumbled what could have been
Sour grapes clown.

>>536670250
You can reply to me, you know, Lightning avatarfag zoomer who has never played Nier and who only just now played the Persona games, and who hasn't even played most of the FFs yet.

You're funny when you're butthurt.

>Act III's reveal is bad
That's so cute. I wonder what boyfriend of yours gave you that opinion

It's time for you to stop painting.

>>536670060
>Vanille getting ready to be mounted doggystyle.
Vanille is a sex symbol of Final Fantasy.

>>536670448
>>536670673
So this is what you're doing now, then? You can't engage with my posts, so you're doing this?

I played Star Ocean 3 when that game came out, because I loved Star Ocean 2 when it came out, and I hated the reveal then. Lots of people did. It wasn't even controversial to say that the reveal of Star Ocean 3 was dogshit back then. Everyone agreed. And, like I said, in my third grade English class I remember a kid wrote that and I thought it was so genius, but then I guess everyone else did, and we had to read out writings aloud, and in that one year I heard the same twist so many times that it became obvious how bad it is. It's only with E33 have zoomers with absolutely zero frame of reference decided that E33's reveal is good and you're not smart enough to understand if you don't agree. There's slightly more nuance going on with E33 than with SO3, like it's much more well done, but it's still very disappointing to have to reach outside of the narrative in order to resolve the mystery of the narrative. It's like having the hero backed into a corner and instead of earning a triumphant victory, a Pyrrhic victory, or a devastating and slow loss, he just wakes up and that's it and now the story is over.

Anyway, it's clear that I've won, as you are no longer even attempting to engage. So I'll take my victory (I was just saying E33 is good but not a 10/10) and leave you to your melt down. You should read more, play more games, and perhaps even watch more movies. It would serve you better than melting down while shitposting on 4chan for 18 hours per day, lil zoomie.

>>536667609
So they’re not turn based.
Got it.

You did erase the painting....didn't you?

>>536668108
Made FF popular.

>>536671539
Sorry, but have you considered that baby’s first existential crisis and denial of our nihilistic fate is in fact kino/10 storytelling and if you don’t get that the power of friendship is eternal and will save all you’re just a sad loser?

>>536671539
Wait so you're this guy right? So this is all just because you're a Yoshi sucking XVI faggot huh? Mad that the game is being shit on relentlessly and that people actually want to kick you guys out of the general for good and replace your game with an actual JRPG?

>>536667956
>>536664245
>>536658935
>>536658271
>Final Fantasy XVI is a standard Final Fantasy game. Rebirth is Ubisoft and minigame bloat

I wonder if that means Romancing Saga: Re Universe is next considering that's been running almost a decade.

>>536672309
>Sorry, but have you considered that baby’s first existential crisis and denial of our nihilistic fate is in fact kino/10 storytelling and if you don’t get that the power of friendship is eternal and will save all you’re just a sad loser?
I did not actually consider that, no.

>baby’s first existential crisis and denial of our nihilistic fate is in fact kino/10 storytelling and if you don’t get that the power of friendship is eternal and will save all
Sounds like Final Fantasy.

>>536671678
i'll put you in a painting

>>536672695
Finally, an on-topic post.

>>536670673
>I'm assembling a team

The music in Yak'Tel was worth all the bitching from Wuk Lamat.

>>536673079
Kekkkk Morpheus
God damn a cyberpunk style Matrix inspired JRPG would be fucking incredible.

Even Asmongold, a massive XVI shill who said it was his GOTY, openly turned on it and said E33 was infinitely better and completely blows XVI out of the water.

The biggest streamer in the world turned on y'all and you're surprised that people want to kick it out of the general? Absolutely nothing good comes from discussing it.

>>536673794
Source for this claim?
Clip it - if it's true, you can use it to shitpost lots more.
If it's not, you can leave the general, forever disgraced.
Deal?

>literally no one is talking about XVI
>he turned the entire thread into an E33 thread
>people were talking about E33
>even while he created an E33 conversation, he was still melting about XVI
>the E33 conversation has seemingly ended, and he is STILL melting about XVI for some reason
You know, there would be a lot less talk about the thing that triggers you if you didn't constantly bring it up in every post you make.

>>536673794
>The biggest streamer in the world
kai cenat?

>>536674075
Gamescom coverage
>just have this studio make Final Fantasy XVII, I'm gonna be real
>Just have them do it, yep. Problem solved
>XVI was good but this?? Expedition 33 was way better.
https://youtu.be/KQNpKRV8kNI?t=4439

>>536674761
the cultist monkeys are scrambling to find a way to turn this into a win for XVI?
they are combing over detail and word in your sentences to be as pedantic as possible.

>>536674286
No one is talking positively about XVI.
Well, except for cultists.

>>536672446
Off-topic

>>536675040
That's because it's literally all (You).
Even while you tried to force an E33 conversation, you were still just melting about XVI.
It's some seriously fatherless behavior. I hope some day you realize this, but your probably wont.
Like, look what happened to XVkun. You're headed down the same path. Doing nothing with your life but shitposting about Yoshida even 15 years from now.

It's cool that E33 finally gave /ffg/ a good game to talk about

>>536675403
Wait so you're saying that all those times you defended XVI as being standard Final Fantasy was my imagination?

>>536675508
I'm saying that you wanted to talk about E33, so you made /ffg/ talk about E33, and throughout the entire ordeal all you did is melt down about XVI, and now even afterwards you are still melting about XVI. It's utterly incomprehensible.

>>536675415
Personally I welcome all E33 conversations. Chrono Trigger as well.
When you've got really big names claiming that Square Enix should just ask Sandfall to make the next FF game....it's hard to argue against it's inclusion.

>>536674985
You have to understand. XVI monkeys have been scrambling for ANY kind of win ever since the game launched.

>>536675691
>you wanted to talk about E33
I didn't even make the poll buddy I just voted in it
I didn't make Asmongold say Sandfall should make XVII either, pretty weird how you leapfrogged that whole ordeal when you wanted to pretend I made it up
You're a desperate XVI sucking joke, and you should be shamed out of this general permanently.

>>536676028
I did not say anything about anything that you mentioned in your post. Utterly incomprehensible.

>pretty weird how you leapfrogged that whole ordeal when you wanted to pretend I made it up
I'm not this guy either. I think you need to step away from the internet for a little bit. Your Yoshida Derangement Syndrome has sent you into a frenzy.

>>536675953
>XVI monkeys have been scrambling for ANY kind of win
Remember when they were bragging about Clive in Tekken? Yeah.....
What happened to all that bravado? Pretty sure the entire community is still asking for Tifa

ff7remake scarlet is responsible for me losing many of my knucklechildren

speaking of which, did they fix rebirth's performance yet

>>536676384
Every XVI sucker is the exact same organism to me. That's why so many call you cultists.
All of your thoughts and opinions are always interchangeable and you all follow the same script.
Say and do anything at all that you can to defend CS3 products and the man in charge from any and all criticisms.

Still mad that E33 discussion naturally wins out? I know I would be. Lord knows there is nothing to discuss or take away from XVI.

>check the strawpoll last night
>it was 5/5
>see poll mentioned in thread by the shitposter who is on a 72 hour rager
>he deleted his strawpoll in shame
>no word on how many of the votes were his phones
LOL

>>536676838
>gets trolled
>admits his emotional investment in a joke at his own behest
My oh my, the cult is unintelligent.

>>536676968
Emotions are all they have. They don't have intelligence, and they certainly don't have a good game.

>>536676968
>doubles down as a coping mechanism
>confirming that multiple instances of the "5" votes were his phones
LMAO

>>536677087
>they certainly don't have a good game.
That's the worst part. 'Standard Final Fantasy' turbo cope notwithstanding.
Personally, I really like it when my Final Fantasy game cutscene runtime puts my console to sleep.

E33 needs to be added to the filter if it hasn't been already
Why haven't jannies cleaned this shit up?

>lose a goofy poll
>still find a way to act smug about it
Yoshida stans really are something else.