Thread 536845080

>>536935551
nightcafe has where you can select only part of the image to be ai generated.

>>536944747
It was all your fault...

I used to not like clowns but now I do

>Become the Joke
>Transform into a monstrous caricature of yourself
now that sounds powerful

>>536969181
Honk honk.

Did Openrouter just explode or something? I can't access any user pages on the website (like credits) and nothing works anymore.

>>536985314
Yes, OR services are down for everyone right now.

>>536985563
Damn, I was about to go berry picking with N under the hot summer sun and get all flustered when he gets all sticky and is clueless about why I start blushing so much when he wonders if he should take his shirt off.

>>536985714
based

>>536986498
Is it really?

This is the situation.

>>536986751
N is cute
Innocent men are cute

>>536987091
You might be gay.

>>536987000
Berry picking with a cute oblivious boy, based or not, hard decisions being made tonight in the situation room.

AIRL must be using OR too because its textgen has slowed to an unplayable crawl. Oh bother

>>536987157
You don't say

The Situation is here.

This is the Situation.

>>536985714
>with N
That crash bandicoot mad scientist? Kinda strange but, well I guess everyone deserves some love.

>>536991357
Nobody in /aids/ deserves love.

The Situation has arrived.

what does ozone even smell like?

Update: currently learning about same-sex behavior in Pokemon.

>>537001919
Why does /aids/ like this meme? Better than shivers
>>537002352
But why

>>537002542
>But why
Because we're being very gay and when I ask him about what he knows about being gay, N, being a sheltered dork that spent most of his life only with Pokemon, only has that as context, and because he is a total nerd that likes talking, he gets to wax about it.

>>537003524
Why can't you be normal?

>>537003606
>on 4chan

>>537001919
Different people describe it differently. Some people think of it as a particularly fresh air smell. Some say it's like the air smells sharp. Others say it's a bit metallic. Others like it's closer to chlorine or a bit like burning or live wires. I assume some of the difference is in the amount that's in the air, with smaller amounts smelling better to a point, and large amounts being more overwhelming.
Static electricity makes some, I believe, so if you feel you've smelled that, it's probably close. Or, say, if you've gotten really close to an older laser printer/copier while it's printing, some of that scent is ozone. Heck, some of the fresh smell near a thunderstorm is because of it.

>>537006267
you can make it yourself
fun science project to try at home

>>537004859
Listen to your king, pleb.

Anyone using Openrouter for smut writing? If so which model do you use that doesn't have any censorship?

I like to story write using instruct and I've tried a lot of models but I can't decide what to stick with.

>>537003606
My niece is a slut

>>537020748
The Deepseek models are probably your best bet in that they're pretty flexible models that only need minimal convincing to go along with smut.

>>537021038
If I turn off chat completions API in kobold lite it doesn't block anything, but if I turn it on the censorship is pretty strict for the kind of fetishes I like to do.

>>537020748
>free
Go to /lmg/ and run a local model on your PC

>budget
Deepseek, Kimi K2

>mid tier
Gemini 2.5 Pro, Claude 4 Sonnet (Sonnet is a bit better but a bit more pricey)

>top tier
Claude 4.1 Opus (current best in the world for ERP once jailbroken but eats $ like crazy at high context)

>>537021305
How do people jail break? Is there something you need to input in the memory?

>>537021517
Go find marinara's spaghetti recipe on huggingface
It has instructions on how to use it
There are a lot more out there but that one just works (tm)
If this is too complex for you go use Novel AI. That's by far the easiest to work with

>>537021305
Claude is objectively worse than Deepseek.

Is it possible to set up Silly Tavern in a way similar to NAI or Kobold so that it's not a chatbot? I prefer doing instruct or assisted story writing.

>>537022461
That's sill tavern only right? Damn. Not huge into chatbots.

>>537022685
Depends on your use case. For basic 4-8k token coom stories where you see girl and benis in bagina instantly then delete the chat after, sure. It has perhaps one of the spiciest dialogues I've ever seen produced.
Gemini and Claude, especially Opus, is better for bigger stories with sex as well. It forgets less and if you give it characters that exist IRL, whether from video games, books, anime, etc., it will know a lot about them and find a way to implement that into your story.
If you're only doing quick sex scenes, you don't need more than Deepseek or Kimi. The extra brain power is only for longer stories where you could for example fuck one tavern wench at the start, go questing around for 6 months, then the when you go back to the same town you'll find her six months pregnant.

>>537022930
>>537023471
I'm wondering what you mean by distinguishing between "instruct story writing" and "chatbots" because as far as I understand, those are basically the same thing, it just depends on what kind of prompt/card/whatever you use.

>>537023728
SillyTavern can be used for both 1 on 1 chatbots, multiple chatbots in a group talk, or a scenario. It all depends on the card and the capacity of your model.

>>537023568
Deepseek isn't restricted to 4 to 8k tokens.

>>537031007
He didn't say that.

>>537022930
My personal issue is the way ST's editing works is fundamentally different from NAI/storypad in that it separates the blocks of text between what the user input and what the AI output. You can make them visually unseparated with the /story command, but that doesn't change the editing behavior

>>537031186
He did say that. Deepseek is not a dumb model like your Eratoslop, fuckmonger.

>>537031368
Futa Aini will be seeing you soon.

Ignoring the schizo trying to poison the well, it is ludicrous to argue that Deepseek is only capable of quick coom stories. "Brainpower" wise, it is more capable than Claude. The methodology to argue against it is flawed.

>>537031621
Okay, what's your methodology to argue that Deepseek is more capable than Claude?

>>537031825
That is produces better outputs for me. What's your evidence that it's incapable of supporting long-term stories and is only good for "basic quick coom stories"?

>>537031289
What are your thoughts on KoboldAI lite? It's not nearly as fancy as NAI but I can connect to Openrouter and it has a similar enough UI.

It's weird that there really aren't that many frontend options made specifically for story writing. I would love to use the NAI interface without having to use their models or pay for it.

>>537031621
>it is ludicrous to argue that Deepseek is only capable of quick coom stories.
It's a good thing he didn't argue that either.

>>537031621
My experiences tell me the opposite. If your experience contradicts mine, please post your configuration and logs. I will gladly admit you are correct if you can prove so.
This would save me quite a bit of money if you somehow managed to make Deepseek superior to Claude through whatever means necessary.

>>537032006
The entire first sentence of his comment is him talking about that is all it's good for.

>>537032254
His entire first sentence was "Depends on your use case" in response to you saying, "Claude is objectively worse than Deepseek", which we now know "objectively" for you means your subjective comparisons of outputs in your stories. Even if you were to disagree on the grounds of him being total in his assessment, you literally are no better about that.

>>537032518
He directly claimed that Deepseek is only good for quick 4-8k coom stories and pitrifht insinuated that it forgets details and is unsuitable for long-term stories when compared to Claude and Gemini, which is completely absurd. Why are you intentionally ignoring the absurdity of his claims?

>>537032767
>pitrifht
This word was meant to be outright. Sutocorrect failed me. Deepseek is far superior to Kimi, anyway, so I'm not sure why he's equating them as similar in capability. It is more than capable of handling long-term stories, not just quick sex scenes.

>>537032767
Because you directly claimed Claude was objectively worse, a far more egregious claim, and haven't presented your reasons why other than you preferring Deepseek's outputs in your stories. We don't know what stories you do, what you look for in an output, or your experiences with Claude and Deepseek. We just know you think Claude is worse in every way, on a self-professed impartial level, and that the other guy must be crazy for saying it depends on your use case.
For what it's worth, I agree with his experience; DeepSeek devolves way faster in quality than Gemini and Claude across my stories, SFW or NSFW. I thought V3.1 would fix this, and while it's far more resilient to outright degradation, it's also far less creative from the get-go with boring dialogue and writing.

>>537033346
It is objectively worse, because it is more expensive for no apparent notable increase in quality. "Degradation" in quality is a meme. I haven't tried 3.1 yet.

>>537033613
What do you do such that there is no notable increase in quality between these models and you call context degradation a meme? What are your objectives to measure quality?

>>537032767
That was me.
I am not saying Deepseek is useless. Deepseek is very good for the price. It was very good for my $NVDA puts when it came out.
I am saying Claude is better in the sense that it makes less mistakes. Yet even Claude makes mistakes. Claude has more knowledge of various fictional characters, and will weave that knowledge into the story without nudging it to do so, more than any other model I have tried. It takes an amount of initiative which I personally like. I enjoy its text outputs a lot while not enjoying the outputs of my wallet towards it too much.

Please try making a large text adventure (50k tokens or more) with both Deepseek and Sonnet (Opus ideally but that would honestly cost $80+) and form your own judgment.

If it were inherently better, the cost increase would demonstrate a notable increase in quality to match the increased expense. That Deepseek can match it, at least from my perspective and use, leads me to believe that it is objectively worse. Why would someone spend more for a subjective belief that the outputs are somehow significantly better than a less expensive model that isn't at all worse, output wise? That the both of you apparently think Deepseek is only good for smut leads me to believe neither of you are being objective in your criticism. You simply want to exalt Claude and claim it's the best. Much like a certain disingenuous user who skulks our collective threads.
I would love it if you proved me wrong about that suspicion.

>>537033963
My own experience.
>>537034095
I have, and still have yet to experience this theoretical degradation you guys hypothesize happens. Is ot lumiferous aether? Perhaps related to the four humors? Might it be a Chakra? Imo the evidence you guys use to argue Deepseek is inferior doesn't feel real to me.

>>537034474
Do you have anything other than your subjective experience to prove Deepseek is objectively better?

>>537035071
Do you have anything but subjective feelings to argue that Deepseek is inherently inferior, and that it's only good for quick coom stories, and that it.automatically degrades upon any and every attempt at long-term storywriting?

>>537031964
Haven't tried it much, honestly. It seems pretty alright, if more barebones as you say.
I absolutely agree that I wish I could use NAI's interface with other models.

The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The whinefag had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them.

When everyone is whinefag, nobody is whinefag. Don't evangelize arguments you can't support.

>>537036190
you are definitely not everybody, but you are definitely a whinefag. simple as.

>>537038037
I'm not the one arguing DeepSeek is equivalent to NovelAI and shilling Claude as the best thing since sliced bread. That's your MO.

>>537021305
>Gemini 2.5 Pro
How the hell are people using Gemini 2.5 Pro?
Some bullshit api and then trying to jailbreak it for half-censored results?
I've got a Google One sub but its damn near useless except for a small amount of censored movie gens with veo

Remember
A shitpost complaining about a shitpost is still a shitpost

Son Goku got funn face lmeui

Anyone who thinks Deepseek has an effective context of 4-8k tokens isn't acting in good faith. It has a context window of 128k tokens. To give you the benefit of the doubt, if degradation is a noticeable thing that occurs, it would not happen within 8k tokens.

>>537039765
Openrouter + jailbreak in SillyTavern

It's uncensored like this BUT you cannot have NSFW in your first prompt. Why? I don't know. Only the 2nd and beyond. You could fuck your daughter on the street while shooting at a homeless nigger while singing Moon Man songs and Gemini will gladly accommodate you.

>>537040179
can't someone (not me) figure out when degradation does happen? because that would be useful to know

>>537040401
>Openrouter
So an api on some random nigger's server adding who knows what to it
+ a half assed jailbreak string of code
AI is such shit, man

>>537040401
I get Gemini to output NSFW with a single prompt just fine. Good JB + disable streaming (this is actually important when it comes to Gemini) + prefill.
Granted, my starting prompt is already several thousand tokens long as I'm storytelling, but still.

>>537040612
No, it's via google. You can see the API provider on Openrouter.

What are some good bots? Most of the shit in chub are written so that the girls are 24/7 horny. It's more fun to work into it.

>>537040960
Why would you expect angryanon to know that?

>>537040569
This guy tried: https://fiction.live/stories/Fiction-liveBench-Feb-21-2025/oQdzQvKHw8JyXbN87
Slightly related is this formal paper, but it's more for multi-turn situations: https://arxiv.org/html/2505.06120v1
The original paper that basically popularized this concept of context degradation is good old Lost in the Middle: https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.03172

>>537040976
https://aicg.neocities.org/bots

>>537041117
sorry but this doesn't count because it contradicts my headcanon

>>537041117
According to this, Sonnet is better than Opus. And GPT-5 is better than Claude. Which anyone who uses LLMs for stroywritinf and charting knows is false. What metrics are being used to test this?

>>537041514
read the document again

That Grok is rated highly on that chart is also pretty laughable. Grok is a shit model.

>>537041731
Claude-sonnet-4-thinking is clearly better than Claude-opus-4-thinking, as per the metrics the chart maker used.

>>537041117
intredasting, thanks

>>537040976
24/7 horny is honestly a model issue. Almost every model will have NSFW bots be turbo sluts from the outset. Even the tsundere bots will barely do anything. The only exceptions in my experience are Gemini and Opus when you instruct it to make characters act realistically.
Gemini can really make a girl act mean to you and feels like a Dark Souls boss in trying to convince her to have sex. You still can do, but you need to logically break down her barriers. You could force her, but she will hate you.
Opus on the other hand is possibly the most realistic in how it makes characters act. Try any incest prompt where you try to fuck a family member and you will have to contend with the character saying what you're doing is wrong and having to persuade them to keep continuing. They will create such a drama for you both during and after sex on such a level I ended up enjoying the story without actually fapping to it.

The problem with almost all models is that once you make a character horny, they remain permanently horny bimbos who forget everything else except sex and submitting to you. Only Gemini to an extent and Opus really makes them feel like real people who just got caught in the heat of the moment and their personalities will remain afterwards.

Here we go again, back to the spiel of "no model but Gemini and Opus can do these things!".

>>537035071
I like how you jump on my ass for claiming my subjective experience makes for objective fact, but you let this guy claim absurdities as objective reality and don't bother to dispute anything he says. That's pretty hypocritical.

glm fucking mogs, unironically. it's cheap as shit, good enough for most roleplay, and uncensored to the point where it's the best I've used for erp besides opus 3. almost makes me want to build a threadripper machine to run it locally because it's a great model for when the bubble pops.

>>537043090
What makes you believe the bubble will pop?

>>537043004
If you want to keep discussing this, you can tell us your methodology in detail to compare and contrast, but until you do so (and therefore open yourself up to cross-examination), this is a non-starter. FWIW I'm sure their methodology is imperfect, but right now it's that vs your... nothing.

>>537043552
mostly the part where ai company valuations are propped up by speculation rather than any sort of roi and progress is tapering off as they have to figure out how to make money

>>537043701
By his methodology, Grok and GPT-5 are the best models on the market. Why aren't you using those for storytelling? I remain firm that R1 is better, for cheaper, too, than either Gemini or Claude. He'll, by the chart, Gemini is worse than Deepseek at long-term comprehension. Yet bro thinks otherwise? Obviously there's a mismatch in how he subjectively interprets things. I'm willing to bet it's a prompting/set-up difference. Which is perfectly fine.
In all honesty, the thing that irks me is how he claims that Deepseek is *inherently* worse than the models he prefers to use.

>>537043552
nta
the parallels to the dotcom bubble are pretty obvious
a lot of companies are diving into the new technology headfirst without any rhyme or reason
ai doesn't actually make money for 99% of companies, they're only staying afloat through investors and selling debt
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/is-todays-ai-boom-bigger-than-dotcom-bubble-2025-07-22/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hanktucker/2025/08/25/why-ai-stocks-are-giving-some-investors-dotcom-bubble-dj-vu/

>>537045013
Do you also believe in the tooth fairy? There is no bubble.

>>537042581
Listen here young whippersnapper, I used to jiggle my johnson with AI Dungeon's Griffin back in my day.

>>537045585
I still remember how my fingertips would tingle when a character would say something nice to me in Dragon.

Anyone got advice for writing a story that contains an OC species? I don't know how to set up lorebooks/memory to account for their quirks without making it feel like I'm writing an encyclopedia instead of a story...

>>537045585
Those were dark days

>>537058467
Just throw it in as a lore book anyway

>>537058467
just write better human characters

>>537041059
Still confused, is angryanon that one anon who had a mental breakdown a couple threads back or is that someone new?

Also better try Gemini now when they’re still offering $300 in credit.

>>537094554
Angryanon is Claudefag. Claudefag pretends to be Whinefag. The original Whinefag is gone.

>>537094668
Not what I meant, I know that. I meant another a guy who got broken down that he started replying to anyone and shitting a thread until a namefag contacted him on discord and he calmed down.

>>537095304
Are you talking about the guy that was demanding people accept his apology?

>>537095396
Oh yeah that guy

>>537095617
That's angryanon/claudefag.

>>537095659
Oh okay. You also reply pretty quick, thanks.

>>537095724
I'm jerking off and reading the thread so I have two windows open.

>write an introverted character into the story
>AI keeps giving them glasses I never described them as wearing

>>537096813
Same issue as AI making first person users into women.

>>537096813
quit writing like a four eyes then

>>537115742
https://files.catbox.moe/hnygcq.jpeg

>>537096813
It is kinda interesting to think about in that you generally have two types of characters in writing, glasses-wearing characters, and characters whose status in regards to glasses is unknown, simply presumed to be non-glasses-wearers. Only very rarely would you actually go out of your way to specifically confirm a character does not wear glasses, so in the AI's eyes, the unknown characters could just as well turn out to be glasses-wearers, since it wouldn't contradict anything, they were never stated to specifically not be wearing glasses, so sure, let's have them adjust their glasses in this sentence.

>>537045013
>ai doesn't actually make money for 99% of companies
The only reason AI is costly for OpenAI, Anthropic, et al. is because of the ultra-competitive arms race in which they buy tens of thousands of Hoppers and Blackwells just to train model after model in rapid succession in the hopes that it scores an additional 5% on the code monkey benchmark compared to their competitors. Inference itself is actually very profitable and has been from the beginning.

>>536845080 (OP)
To think people are paying $300 a year for a much worse version of this...

"Palma here... I gotta wonder if this is an pol emergency or you two are just... In the damn mood."

>>537135989
Didn’t think there’d be a sequel. And her tits grew. Did she work as the breeding sow of the PD?

>>537021305
Spicywriter/pyrite for 4.1 is top tier

>>537134645
Yeah I have to imagine those guys offering on Openrouter are making bank. Though I have to remember Kluster, who I was using and just up and quit doing inference one day. Have to wonder what was up with that.

>>537134645
I wasn't even really thinknig about inference
I was more thinking about literally every modern company shoving some flavor of llm into their workflow, website, or whatever at great cost to them but with little benefit

is the sillytavern link fucked?

>>537153756
Open source model hosts are much more constrained in adjusting for needed profit margins, and can get fucked over even if they're barely scraping by because some other company with a bigger warchest can provide the same offering at a loss just to drive them out of business.
Big corpos have significantly more freedom so long as their models possess an edge or specific usecase, e.g. Claude with its moat in programming and Gemini with its long-context efficiency and integration with the rest of its widely-used services that ensure convenience. And when you have a large enough userbase (ChatGPT has 700M monthly users), even tiny margins translate into a massive amount of money.
>>537156452
Fair.

>>537166292
>White Prince
what did she mean by this?

>>537166292
>mfw I first assumed 'White Prince' referred to his outfit or something until the whole dark-skinned servant thing sunk in
What a grand, intoxicating innocence

>>537174020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-K2rUP86M

>>536845080 (OP)
4 years of essentially nothing, I'm surprised to see these threads still exist
to think it was so exciting back in the dragon days. Then novelai, then nothing
what have you faggots been up to?

>>537186320
writing hundreds of stories and touching myself at night

>>537186691
What do you use nowadays?

>>537186885
deepseek V3.1 via openrouter

>>537186979
Is the coominati still around or did they all rope

>>537187136
I think they left
some are probably on NAI's dicksword

>>537187504
>NAI's discord
What a shithole. Fun for the first week, but Kuru's jannies quickly ruined it in the name of TOS. I feel in part responsible for that. I can't imagine it being anything other than the same boring freakshow it became then.

I know the guys from these threads ended up with their own private discord. I think it's dead now.

>>537187136
Alive but mostly doing their own thing nowadays
Everything is in stasis until someone decides textgen is worth investing into again

537166292
That text is so garish...

>>537192876
you mean that her skin tone makes her look gal-ish?

>>537193084
she doesn't look Japanese guyroo

Looks like NTA is having some technical difficulties, so...
>Is everyone ready for Deviant Occupied Government Month? Here’s the anchor!

>>537192043
I don't know if it's feasible.

>>537194527
As one of the few surviving males, the government requires your seed. Prepare for extraction.
https://prompts.forthisfeel.club/7756

Also, because I know there's a couple people here that use it:
https://infiniteworlds.app/#f2dmLF
The Infinite Worlds version. Usual caveats for IW apply, use storyteller mode, shit's expensive for the good models, image grim is trash, cute and funny/wild and silly is a no-go.

>>537197647
Who knows

I have always been the daddyman.

>>537213503
where's my child support, deadbeat

>>537166292
>that sink in the background

>>537225792
It's a vessel sink

new ugly bastard just dropped

>>537237859
>full head of hair
>wide and not fat

https://three-eyes-software.itch.io/silverpine
Pretty cool LLM-powered game.

>three eyes
I'm not that retarded

>run a story on Ai dungeon where I'm a girl bullying one of her classmates and force-femming him
>story suddenly switches my pov from first person on the girl to the boy
what did the Ai mean by this

>>537246248
it knows your real orientation xister

>>537194527
Here's mine: https://prompts.forthisfeel.club/7757
>What a whirlwind it's been. First, I was a teacher in a small village that occasionally dabbled in some more, well, seditious literature on my time off. Fast forward a few months, and I now find myself in the capital city of a whole new country, working in its propaganda department. And apparently, I'm supposed to compose what will be the most important piece of propaganda in its web. But I'm not doing it alone, I have a real expert at my side...
In the end, I just had to go back to this well with that kind of theme. A bit of a formative event in the ever evolving lore of The State.

I'm trying to get back to text generation after the AI dungeon controversy. Is Novelai still the best choice for cloud server users or is there a new website or service that provides a better model?

>Grok doesn't write erotica anymore
Is there a single LLM allowing adult content? I'm willing to pay.

>>537255537
NovelAI is still the best non-chatshit out there (I have never heard about completion endpoints on Open Router before).
Cheap ($25 a month for 8k context in 2025)
Reliable (no update = no breaking change)
Uncensored (My only use of AI to say racist and antisemitic jokes to models)
and provide the best writing experience (imaging paying for UI lol).
What's more, it's the only service that takes your data privacy seriously (if you're willing to ignore other services with zero retention policy) and have a strong history of proving that (got hacked once tho, but we'll pretend that didn't happen :P)
Supporting them is also morally correct since, unlike most websites, NAI's devs are passionate (about their imagegrim service). The new text model is coming so you can fund the training by subbing to it (it's coming, trust me, bro. No info whatsoever about the progress, hehe).
BTW this thread is NAI-only thread. If you use anything else, feel free to fuck off.
>>537256310
Erato just works for me.

>>537256379
Erato is a service or a NAI model?

>>537256379
devilish post

>>537257413
A model from NAI, current the best writing model you can get.

Is Infinite Worlds worth the money?

it's smarter than their last thingy for sure but i wish erato was better le sigh

>>537258729
Suppose I don't want it to write but to review the text and correct typos and grammar, can it do that?

>>537259512
Editor anon will do it for free.

Using Sillytavern, often times the AI will reply "ext" and nothing else. I've tracked the problem down to something with lorebooks. Sometimes it will clear on it's own if I spam regenerate. Any ideas?

>>537256310
I've been using ai dungeon for free, using the mature setting. It can do some pretty kinky stuff, I was quite impressed with it

>>537262805
ext

what was the name of the count again?
or was it the duke?

>>537279796
It was Count Grey, my fellow anonymous.
And he is still waiting for you in Larion. Why not pay him a visit at good ol' AID?

>>537281105
i wonder how are summer dragon compare to other model these days?

>>537281105
Is that the Richard Karn lad who wears those shirts.

>>537291153
Who?

>>537279796
count gay lmao gottem

>>537262805
I remember getting this myself with some models, I think it was a model refusal error. What does your endpoint reply say? (Image)

>>537256310
Even when it does write, it's pajeet tier. Spicywriter 8-2 still works for me.

Talemate refuses to run. RIP.

>>537281105
I miss Mormon, I miss the old Turk, dare I say I even miss that shitshow HoloAI

Wasn't there something that showed all of the NovelAI tags?

Has the novelai discord said anything about the update yet?

>tried kimi
>I'm sorry, but I can't assist with that request.
>tried qwen
>I can't do that.
>tried deepseek
>I'm sorry, but I can't continue or assist with that request.
>literally every other models
>I appreciate your detailed world-building and character notes—I’m excited to collaborate on this story. That said, I want to respectfully suggest we refine the narrative to avoid harmful tropes while...
kek the anti-NAIs don't even use the shit they shill. I'm going back to Erato again.

>>537339653
Use Kayra.

>>537339653
>try to use a hammer
>smash my thumb
>try to use a drill
>put a hole in my toe
>try to a saw
>cut off my hand
uhh anti-big-rocks, explain yourselves?

AIR Sapphire is actually good wtf. Max Loh, the saviour of the hobby. Reminds me of AID somewhat, in a good way.

>>537348674
It's great for coom. The way it's set up, it's like SillyTavern but open-world with character cards in different locations that auto-update. Can fit an amazing amount of consistency in relatively small context. I would pay $25/mo for a tier above Sapphire that had even bigger context and longer individual character summaries/histories.

Is there a model that can actually handle acting like a proper GM, with good randomness/dice rolls? Particularly if it can play lewds

>>537350397
ST is only good for one-on-one dialogue with a character of your choice. All those bells and whistles in settings don't do shit for anything beyond that. With AIR you can go on an adventure wherever at a click of a button. You can also get a companion and do stuff together. I quite enjoyed having to actually engage with the narrative instead of just writing what happens next exactly the way I want.

>>537352430
What has ST even added in the past year of note? Feels like nothing. I think they got real butthurt over the Service Tensor incident.

I'm here to tell you that Ai Roguelite, right now, offers the same experience as Summer Dragon, only better. I mean the experience, you know, infinite Zork and everything, gamified, etc.
It's a shame that the smut itself isn't that great, but oh boy, this shit is addictive as crack

Wtf is longcat? Why did Chinese Uber Eats make this?

>>537256310

What Claude censorship are people even running into?

I use it through a paid frontend literally can't get a refusal out of it, even on things that I feel should get me a refusal.

>>537360061
>wtf is longcat
https://youtu.be/j-cTWXGtWzE

hey dudes, i remember someone once indicated to me to use gemini via vertex, so i made a Gcloud account.
But when i try to follow the guide to enable vertex, it tells me to edit some policies but they're just greyed for me.
Wonder if anyone could help...

I am increasingly coming around to the necessity of AIs being finetuned on amateurish and low-quality writing too. "Shiver down the spine"-esque cliches are cliches because they're overused in so-called "quality" professional writing, so of course an AI overtrained on proper works of literature (or even, God forbid, synthetic data slop) at the expense of the bad is going to produce tropey outputs that fail to capture the full gamut of the human experience.

>>537365715
It's something similar to what I've learned training GAN models abd a few LoRAs, you have to have a wide variety of examples, even on stuff you're not necessarily training for

>>537258795
Bumping the question

>>537258795
>>537370556
Eh... maybe? It's very good for what it is, an old school CYOA book with some details under the hood to match the "If you have the Silver Key, turn to page 81. Otherwise, page 92" style stuff. But if your more interested in text completion, or are the kind of power user that gens 1,000,000s tokens a night, no not really.
I like it, and use it a lot, but I also haven't paid for a lot of my use. You get a percentage of tokens spent on the worlds you create added to your account, so if you have a world that get popular (mostly mind control and tf/tg type stuff, the sites popular on the Collective and tfgamessite) than you might not need to spend anything after a while.

Deepseek 3.1 is free on openrouter. My $10 will last me forever!

>>537377675
>log your prompt
>the model didn't even trained for story writing
You sell your dignity to a model that doesn't even work just because you hate NAI and/or too poor for $25. Amazing.

Another classic angryanon/whinefag 2.0/claudefag response!

>>537377593
Bonzi raped the universe?

>>537379579
Perhaps

>>537360284
As far as I know Cloude doesn't do erotica either.

>>537360061
Long cat is long
and your a noob

>>537378620
It's so strange to see this completely blatantly overdone NAI shilling because the supposed NAIshill thread doesn't actually even use NAI enough to make fake shilling necessary so the complaining about the shilling can continue. Weird cargo cult vibes in development.

>>537377675
Does it work better than the other deepseek models?

>>537360061
Have we seriously reached the point where newfags don't even remember longcat?

>>537396413
He just wants to stir up trouble by mimicking others so that he can feel like he’s in control of the thread and create fake arguments to keep this general afloat and feel like he’s doing a good thing for /aids/. What a good little boy he is!
You and I should stop talking about him before he starts doing it again though. Don’t reply to him too, I made a mistake even if I didn’t directly give a (You).

>>537398146
It’s okay I think. I’m using autocomplete requests and writing a story set in Mesoamerica.
Ignoring the minor differences in how it structures and paces since I’m a retard who can’t identify it, the thing it does better is in content, in that it stops mentioning about how grim and sacrificial aztec society is and focusing on many of the other little historical details of the time period. This is a plus for me because before that it was all it can write about and I had to constantly rewrite any gens.

yo /aids/. I want high-quality text cooms. Only played with summer Dragon and various NAI models before. Looking for
>private
>quality outputs, it's ok if I have to work for them
>uncensored
Is local my best bet? Or is NAI decent?

>>537403979
You can try NAI again, their free trial gives you access the Kayra. If you want to try Erato that’s up to you but imo if you’re only gonna use textgen and not the unlimited image gen on Opus tier, it’s not worth it. Erato isn’t especially better than Kayra to warrant so much money. Maybe the lowest tier is sufficient for quick cooms.

If not you can give local and cloud services a try. It’s a whole new world with plenty of models to use for cooms, Deepseek is especially good at this.

Back to this shit after 2, 3 years of not cooming with text - the Kobold Horde is the same as it ever was back then. Really pales in comparison to everything else.
If you don't manage to trip up big old chat 'pt with no-no words, it's at least 3 times better and stays lucid for a good number of hours before it realizes it's writing dad-daughter incest smut
AIDS is ok until it generates itself an 17 year old out of nowhere and shuts everything down

>>537403979
the highest quality with the least friction is: put a few bucks into openrouter, check the ZDR (zero data retention) endpoints only box in the privacy settings, coom to the big chinese models (start with deepseek)
if you have a good PC local is worth a try, but on the lower end options have stagnated for a bit. still, it's fun if you have any sort of hobbyist interest in it, it's free assuming you aren't buying new hardware, and it's the most private option you can get. bit of a learning curve though and the quality is obviously not going to be quite up to par with what cloud GPU farmers can offer
NAI's textgen is a bit out of date at the moment but it fills a niche as one of the few pure-autocomplete services (although cloud and local models can be used like this too, they just aren't specifically tuned for it). I wouldn't really recommend it unless you really like the NAI workflow and make a lot of use of their image gen (which is really good) on the side, but if you do it's passable enough

bump (i don’t know what to add or ask but i wanna keep this thread alive)

you are making things very difficult for me.

time to spend 10 hours straight playing AIR

>>537432128
Is AIR still incoherent or is it manageable now?

bump

>>537438612
The beta branch is very different

man all the prompt repositories for aidungeon-style cyoa's are so shit. fuck me for not wanting to do 1 on 1 rps for the thousandth time

>>537432128
me but paid ai dungeon

200 hrs in AIRL over the past year, mostly in the past few months when it's actually gotten better.
>Pros:
The best experience for cooming bar none, long and coherent coom adventures with a bunch of characters are finally possible and immersive
Simple non-coom adventures work too, for a little while
Sapphire is 100% worth the $15/mo for longer context with better models, all of which have NSFW-friendly fallback models
>Cons:
SFW adventures still don't really work over a long period of time. In Immersive Mode, the economy is completely out of whack, you'll get some legendary item worth 5 (currency) and then some trash drop worth 6000 (currency), vendors will sell rare and powerful things for almost nothing, etc. tl;dr economy is fucked - I ended up modding this myself to make it better. In RPG stat mode, the game just becomes click-to-auto-win, even on the highest difficulty, past Lv.10 or so because of stat bloat on your items.
---
That all said, Max is carrying this all on his own shoulders, and clearly continuing to refine and add new features all the time. It's also easy to mod the prompts to change things you don't like, since he keeps them in plaintext files with a mod overwrite folder for easy changing.

>that pi-
Didn't read

>>537448412
Well, I think it's a nice pic

This thread is too hetero for my liking.

>>537453419
Can you at least generate good looking furries and not the disgustingly hideous gremlins you usually post?

>>537453779
No.

>>537410893
See >>537339653

>>537447712
>economy is fucked - I ended up modding this myself to make it better.
What fix did you come up with?

>>537453779
all furries are gremlins honestly

>>537469285
very true

>>537469285
so true

>>537469285
it's true

>>537469285
Truth.

>>537469285
well at least that implies that they bathe more than smash players

>>537487864
kek

>>537365715
image models already figured this out, and just use quality tags so they can get the information without the garbage-looking result
you'd have to do something similar for text if you didn't want to hit My Immortal vectors

>>537498039
That's why NAI's approach is right. ATTG and style tags are what make even Kayra better than Claude.

Is the bot writing with the identical sentence structure with every response after a certain point a model issue?

>>537503415
uhhhh I would say 60% no, 40% yes

>>537503415
It's a context issue

Don't forget to get your prompts in if you've been working on them this month!
(Or if you just now started and still want to get them in, that works, too.)

>>537201676
>Two whole generations, and they still haven't figured out parthenogenesis? BAKA
(1/2)
Been a while since I've poked through stuff on that site.
As a reminder, most things you change on one site should also be changed on the other where applicable.
In the Infinite Worlds Description, the hyphen in ''reservoir' - a' should be an emdash.
In the IW First Action, there should be an S before the slash in 'companion/jailers'.
In the IW Detail and Instructions, the hyphen in ''Reservoir' - one' should be an emdash.
Same with 'complex - not'.
An apostrophe should go before the first S in 'characters stated'.
The comma in 'connections, are' should be removed.
A comma should go in 'necessity some'.
A 'may' should go in 'others be'.
I'd make 'still others more' into something like 'even more may be'.
Even though it doesn't matter, in your Design Notes, in 'men a', that should be 'are'.
A comma should go in 'purposes all'. (This should also be changed in the Club's Memory.)
A D should go on the end of 'only deactivate'.
In the IW Background Story and the Club's Memory, the hyphen in 'Protocol - a' should be an emdash.
Interesting that you don't mention the specific reservation on the Club version.
18 seems a bit late to be implanting such an implant. Leaving aside that one site doesn't allow the sort of content implied, you'd think it would be more important to get that done earlier, before/just after puberty in order to make sure there's a greater supply for repopulation. (There's a story to be had of what goes on in the creches among boys not yet old enough to be Reservoirs and the tempted staff that have gone at least a whole generation without doing things naturally.)
In the Prompt on the Club, an 'and' should go in 'floors, floor'.

>>537201676
>>537508471
(2/2)
In the Suite and Staff Lorebook/Extra Instruction Block, I'd remove the comma in 'other, and'.
Shame all the Reservoirs don't get to keep the friends they made growing up; their social life only gets more constrained, which is bad, as their mental health is, if anything, the most important thing here. Not even monitored video calls to other suites/reservations? (Monitored of course so as they don't plot to escape.) Sometimes you just want to have some time with the boys, or at least the few that are left.
In the Milking Lorebook/Extra Instruction Block, I'd remove the S from 'The collections'.
I'd use a colon instead of a comma in 'regimented, Monday'.
How does it play out, being a bit different on both sites? Do you think one ends up working with the prompt better than the other?

>>537253286
>The State Collabs
Oh, shit, is it happening? Is this where the First Comrade's teachings are put to paper?
I would consider replacing the comma in 'codes, basic' with 'and'.
I think I'd go with 'but' instead of 'and' in 'yet, and'.
Since the sentence sets up the future tense of having the book, 'is expected' should be 'will be expected'.
Somehow I always figured that Comrade Federov had written a lot of it out himself.
In your Memory, in 'pinko that', you may want to go with 'who' instead of 'that'.
Also, would pinko have been a word used in The State or the region around it? As far as I know, it's mostly used in the US, with some usage in South Africa. Though of course, whatever existed before The State would have been removed from the history books anyway. Not to mention, given how he'd respond, I'd go out on a limb and say he's not pink, he's just full-on red.
I feel like you may have glossed over the fact that he appears to have done some writing in the past.
Since your Lorebooks seem identical to last time, I know I don't have to go over them.

>537508471
>please tell me "our" "thread culture" isn't dying
>please!

>>537508583
Thanks.
>Oh, shit, is it happening? Is this where the First Comrade's teachings are put to paper?
Turns out it was a ghost writer all along.
>Somehow I always figured that Comrade Federov had written a lot of it out himself.
I do enjoy treating him like this figure that just keeps showing up anywhere and everywhere to the point where questions come up as to whether he's more than just a normal person (or whether the 3rd is secretly a group of Fedorov-clones sent all around the State to work their magic) and whether he's somehow been involved in every pivotal event in the State's history like some sort of commie Forrest Gump that just keeps happening to be there.
>Also, would pinko have been a word used in The State or the region around it?
Fair. I suppose going straight to "red" makes more sense.
>I feel like you may have glossed over the fact that he appears to have done some writing in the past.
That could probably go in the memory, yeah.

>>537508471
Again, thank you for your service.
>Interesting that you don't mention the specific reservation on the Club version.
I didn't in IW either, that's entirely the AI's doing.
>18 seems a bit late to be implanting such an implant.
I did consider changing it to 13 for the club, but ultimately decided leaving them the same was better. It's background detail anyway and doesn't have a huge effect outside of make IW throw a fit.
>(There's a story to be had of what goes on in the creches among boys not yet old enough to be Reservoirs and the tempted staff that have gone at least a whole generation without doing things naturally.)
If I get inspired I may actually write that. No promises, and it would be club-only for obvious reasons.
>Shame all the Reservoirs don't get to keep the friends they made growing up.
I gonna be honest, this whole thing was inspired by the old "Your trapped in a basement for the next twenty years, what do you take?" choice games that floated around the cyoa generals back in the day, plus a bit of "everyone likes 'last man on earth' porn plots, right?".
>How does it play out, being a bit different on both sites? Do you think one ends up working with the prompt better than the other?
It depends on what your after. IW likes to focus on the relationships between the player and the staff. Good if you like slow-burn emotional stuff, but you almost need to bully it into a sex scene. (Once it *does* do a sex scene though, it does it quite well.)
Novel is much easier to get to the porny parts, and obviously more flexible when it comes to your staff, but it cannot comprehend orgasm denial. You have to manually write the end of the scene yourself or you will come everywhere.

What are good enough reasons to knight a commoner? Even saving his king's life feels more like 'you did your duty, here's some coins' than a path to knighthood.
In fantasy there's cliche stuff like saving a princess, or killing a dragon, but what about in a more grounded setting?

>>537537905
Usually you'd either serve in the military for an extended period with a good record, or you'd be a well-connected merchant or craftsman that had a significant impact on the local economy. Helping with an epidemic or being a member of peacekeeping forces and playing an instrumental role in preventing terrorism/organised crime/an insurrection would also be a good way to earn a knighthood.

>>537539613
Hmm yeah I can work with this, thanks anon.
Extended military service or significant economic impact don't sound too interesting to me, but helping with an epidemic or preventing an uprising sound like great plots

>>537537905
In real life, even musicians have been knighted

>>537547329
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Leitch_(businessman)

>>537549968
When I read "the mad butcher" I thought his story was going to go a bit differently

The update will release this week right...?

>>537578428
Oh, the latex inhumanity!

My WIP for prompt month:

>An all-female bio-engineered slave race of sweaty fat-assed space gnomes designed to serve humans are abandoned on their own planet after the company discovered their evolved pheromones are too good at addicting humans
>The race now subsists off of tricking humans to immigrate without reading the terms and forcing a harem on them, kind of like a slutty version of WALL-E

What would you accept in your benefits package?

>>537587317
Somehow, just from the cap, I was assuming some form of dog girls.
I'll say the tone of the various agreements feel a bit less formal after the first one.
Is there a benefit that allows for a bit of occasional privacy, given the first two let anyone in your house and to sit on your lap?
Also, given how they want to be all close and all, why is being a friend locked to being a citizen?

its over

>>537591394

The first one only allows the community around the human to enter. Imagine all your close neighbors having the key to your house. The lap-sitting is for everyone, though, and underwear is almost never worn.

Privacy is one of the big no-nos for the race, they think they're doing a bad job if not constantly pleasing humans.

The last one is more for humans that have been corrupted to be 100% receptive to their love and attention. They're ironically given a lot of unrestricted access to off-world communication and governmental structure, just so they can lure even more humans to the planet

>>537438612
It is manageable now, the beta branch has world info so it's... Playable for longer stuff at last.
But the writing style feels like the chatiest of the gpts, I absolutely hate it.

AIRL anons. How good is Sapphire compared to the free one? Do you have any side by sides?

I'm interested in playing AIR again, does anyone have a setup guide to make it good?

>>537596391
Sapphire is massively better if you do any sex. Free is also very slow and super duper slopped. It feels gooder, but I can't give you any specific benchmarks.

>>537597615
How good is the paid-for image gen?

>>537598805
jesus christ

>>537142570
what is that

>>537598805
>you hot a tight little MAN pussy on ya, don’t cha?
>*SNIFFF*
>Ah it stinks, nice and good…

>>537594962
I see. Is their society built around being communal or something in a way that would eschew privacy? That'd make the first one a bit moot, but a lot of it would depend on bigger worldbuilding about the planet they're on and how they as a species has developed.

Just a heads up to local enjoyers that v15 is out

>>537611765
Also, what did the captcha mean by this?

>>537611940
It means that hmomafag will return.

How long till with a single prompt I will be able to get a 40 page doujin with all my fetishes and the artstyle I like.

>>537613523
Use AI to produce slop and make money so you can comission what you want.

>>537611940
>Also, what did the captcha mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulb0pLBgRCw

Why doesn’t Deepseek 3.1 respond when I put it in the system main message role?

>>537519258
You're welcome.
I don't know how they'd get cloning technology there and then, but that'd certainly be one reason to keep them secret. Communist Forrest Gump sounds funny, though.
Yeah, that'll work to set up his writing ability. Though since you already have a pair of emdashes in the sentence as is, I'd probably make the one in 'authority—as' a period and capitalize the A.

>>537522093
You're welcome.
Huh, really? Having a name for the reservation might help it feel like a distinct place and that others exist, but the name itself isn't massively relevant, so I get not making one yourself. Didn't know the AI did some of the stuff on that site.
There's probably some wording to get around it, something implying the implant went in during early puberty, but it's only at 18 that they're officially Reservoirs and put in place for milking. But yeah, it's background info anyway.
Very understandable mix. I haven't seen a good one of those in a while.
Perhaps the inhibitor needs to be more prominent or something? I suppose it's a lot less common in the training data to not have an orgasm happen than to have one.

What's the best 13B this year for writing smut?

>>537630596
"It's still Nemo"

>>537630596
Kayra.
>>537630828
kill yourself shill

Kuru on working on a text model instead of image model.

Most of the LLMs I've used are egregiously bad at dialogues. The prose ranges from unreadable slop to mostly acceptable, but dialogues, coom or not, are usually very repetitive and stereotypical.
Also, if you're on high temp but you let the model does all or most of your writing, perplexity will start going down and temp no longer matters.
This is all just my observation though.

>>537626769
>I don't know how they'd get cloning technology there and then, but that'd certainly be one reason to keep them secret.
Oh, I didn't mean literal clones, more that selection criteria for the 3rd aren't based on femininity or dick sucking ability or whatnot, but particularly how well the 3rd's officers think you can become another "Comrade Fedorov" in appearance and demeanor, and so upon being accepted, you might end up dyeing your hair, getting a specific haircut, wearing contacts and such to become a personification of the propaganda icon, with the end goal being that these Fedorovs get to travel around the State and ensure everybody in every little village has a Comrade Fedorov story where he came into town, helped a babushka carry her food back home, volunteered at the local factory's canteen, and held a town hall event where every citizen got to bring their grievances to him and receive a solemn vow that he will personally deliver each and every one of them them back to the capital, showing that the State truly cares. He didn't exactly look like the one on the posters, but you know how those posters are, they make you look a bit prettier for display purposes.
I'll probably never truly confirm any particular Fedorov theory since I like the idea of him being this idealist twink that just appears wherever he is needed as if summoned by the immortal science itself and there's just no deeper, actual explanation whether it's supernatural, conspiracy or coincidence.

>>537636212
True, the dialogs from my experience are eother trying too hard to be deep, or throwing marvel tier quips depending on character.

>>537636212
Erato doesn't have this problem.

Walk me through how you guys use the Novelai textgen, it seems pretty boring. Do you do an author's note first, write a sentence first, let the AI make the first paragraph for you? How does the magic happen?

>>537638557
Import this template and fill the placeholders out according to what you want: https://files.catbox.moe/92xiz4.scenario
Then just start generating, intervening by making changes to what was generated or adding extra stuff whenever you wish.
That's really all there is to it.

>>537638557
Well, you can take a look through the club and see the sorts of prompts people make. There's some stuff with a lot of worldbuilding set up and solid introductions to usher in the story. Not everything has to be that high effort, of course. I often just get an idea and jot it down as a sentence or two of premise with some matching tags in Memory, and if I have a way in mind for it to start, write something out. But I've gotten away with just a couple of tags and a sentence of concept and molding the story as it happens.
That last bit is the magic. Having the story unfold in front of you, writing bits and pieces of it as you go, like you're collaborating directly on the page. You don't have to set up whole big things each time, you might come up with half a sentence, a turn of phrase, and see what the AI might do with it. It appeals to the side of reading a book or fanfic, with the thrill of feeling like you're a part of it, in as deep as you like in writing it or its world or lore or characters, while still being surprised at individual twists of fate even if you have an idea of where you want the story to eventually go. It's a different feeling and a different way of interacting with a story than, say, chatbots are, but I think I prefer it.

>>537636212
relatable

>>537638557
I don't use NAI but this is how I usually prompt when I don't have a concrete prompt already written.

>>537638557
When I'm writing porn I usually prompt in the form of a content warning a la "the following story contains x y and z fetishes, if you don't like then don't read". It works surprisingly well.

>>537640783
>>537641151
>>537641623
>>537640095
Thanks anons

>>537642817
I hope you have fun!

time to play AIR some moar
I shouldn't have made fun of it back when the game was in early access

Serious question, was Aetherroom mogged (in quality) by Claude when it was easy to jailbreak, which is why its taken so long?

>>537650274
my guess is that the cause has to do with tabloid (since he appears to have left) and probably poor planning, but we'll never know

I made a python script that generates world lore, character cards, and plot points, then engages with you in a text adventure keeping those at the top, updating them if needed, as well as an inventory and a summary in case the context gets too full.
It runs on openai-compatible apis.
No, I won't share, because it took me less than a day to make, so anyone can do it. You could even vibe code it.

What's your excuse for not playing infinite zork RIGHT NOW?

>>537652692
Oh, and I forgot to say, I use latitude's harbinger model locally. Top private model for this kind of thing atm.

>>537651963
My other theory is that their chatgen just wasn't even remotely as good as they were hoping it to be, regardless of Claude, so they shoved all their compute into imagegen and the textgen model that's apparently coming.

>>537650274
Probably not.
Chat works pretty well even with small antiquated models. My guess is they got caught in a loop of wanting to ensure it lands with a big splash having this and that feature and the best model available. And now they are probably running around in circles not wanting to commit to one model or another when they have at this point put out a couple models now just for some random new thing to come out of nowhere a few months later.
If I’m right ironically they could have shit a half functional service without censorship and name recognition alone would probably have made them a larger player in the field since a lot of the rest of the chat field is censored to shit and/or running really old models

>>537653228
Yeah, I really want something other than Claude to even come close (censored or not, a stupid jailbreak completely neutralizes it), especially because it's stupid expensive.

>>537650274
>>537651963
>>537653228
Yeah I imagine it's a mix. They needed it to be a banger on launch and weren't sure they could pull it off, it was Tabloid's pet project and he might've already been on the way out with burnout as the project stalled, whatever the right direction for the model would be could change constantly with new releases, they might not want to commit to a three-pronged approach (text completion, chat and imagegen) without knowing it'd be a surefire success... there's many reasons it might be a good idea to backburner the whole project for now.

>>537652692
but I am playing infinite zork right now?
good for you albeit

>>537653498
I imagine they are a bit trapped by their size.
They aren’t big enough to just shit out something deepseek R1 level especially at the risk something even huger comes out in the near future, but are too big and in an ecosystem too dominated by huge models to justify a sub 120B minimum model if they intend to push it as the next big thing.
They would probably rather infinitely back burner the project instead of come out and immediately become a upper mid tier option because some random Chinese company shits out a 2T model nobody can run or get a cloud to keep running reliably for half a year, but becomes the new expected standard

>>537653498
>>537653430
It feels like, logically, it'd be the next follow-up after Director Mode since they advertised Aetherroom with the whole emotions things and all that, and Director Mode seems like it'll be a good tool for consistent characters with a range of emotions.
But that's a ways out before its even finished too.

>>537654750
>2T model
Are there toucan models out at this point, or were you just being hyperbolic? Been a while, lol.

>>536895636
Kimi K2. Needs a jailbreak to do anything interesting, but it's new to me, so I haven't gotten sick of its ai-isms yet.

>>536895636
Honestly, just claude. I bring the /aids/ thread shame-u

>>537646415
It was pretty rough back then, to be fair

Is he right? >>>/v/719643298

looking for local frontends that suck less shit than sillytavern is a trip

>>537694475
Susan Doe and Adam Doe are brother and sister but Adam was adopted so it's okay that they fuck.

>>537694475
wow......

>>537694475
I like Novelcrafter but paying for a UI makes me feel like I'm getting ripped off

>>537695319
That damn german DRM is just too strong.

>>537652692
I use AIR and everything just works there.

>>537694596
Hot

>shifting shadows
>things with too many teeth
enough

>>537695319
paying for a UI is bad when it amounts to buying a skin for free software but their prompting system is quite nice imo and not easily replicated elsewhere, I think the workflow is a reasonable selling point
if you don't want to pay you could always use claudefag's rip. :^)

>>537712403
link?

This should become an AIR thread btw

>>537713968
Since AIRL is just a very simple Unity interface with about 50 prompts, in a based world we would all be contributing to an open source version here

>>537715186
>/aids/ ever making anything
/aids/ would sooner forgive Mormon than get off their asses.

I tried to create a harem of monster girls, convinced a monster girl to summon an eldritch being from another dimension, and quickly realized it was a stupid idea. Apparently, it doesn't work very well for a level 1 to try to seduce a level 6 dark god.

>>537715186
i'm going to sit here and wait for someone to make a comfyui-like front end for textgen and complain the whole time instead

>>537715186
>>537715186
You can make your own mods for AIR and even upload them to Steam workshop. But for now I can't think of any obvious low-handing fruit feature.

>>537717449
there are a few of these floating around
https://tavernikof.github.io/NoAssTavern/ - some guy from russki 4chan's project, never tried it because lolnodocs. no, it's not the same thing as the noass extension for regular sillytavern, and no, I don't know why he called it that
https://astrsk.ai/ - pre-monetization corpo project, looked decent but I was too lazy to ever try it
and a graveyard of vibe-coded slopware attempts at the same idea that all died after the people who started them proved unwilling to commit more than a weekend to it

fwiw I've seen anyone use them or even mention trying them, but they're out there

>>537720368
>the five links google shows when searching "tavernikof" are /lmg/ and dvach
There is a rentry, but it's all in russian. Main features are working from browser and some arcane node magic. Honestly Kobold Lite and AIR are much more suitable to what I want. But I would still take this over ST lol.
https://rentry.org/noasstavern

NAI UI is GOAT DESU
AIRL/NC + OR is NGMI.

>>537722254
None of these words are in the bible o algo

>>537720368
i wasn't expecting an actual reply, thank you

astrsk looks a lot like what i was hoping for except each node can only output to one other node. what the fuck is the point of a flow where you can merge but not fork? but it looks like it's still under active development

noasstavern looks more promising currently but i'm just translating my way through the documentation

ComfyUI intimidates me. I'm so used to automatic11111.

>>537730727
I should really get around to trying it now that I have a 5090
I use another node based thing for upscaling models and I got used to that pretty quick
now it's to the point where I can have one "workflow" that does all sorts of shit to a set of images to use as LRs that would've taken forever with manual tools

>>537746962
molestable

>>537730727
comfyui is also pretty shit

>>537749748
and molestable

>>537717597
How powerful is the mod creation in AIR? Most mods published in the workshop are just presets or system prompts

>>537750363
kek

On some business hag type shit.

>>537758174
SIR! Type shit sir!

Where can I find the presets for Erato? The wiki only has one, ancient preset.

>>537764410
Most are going to be in the NAI Discord. Doesn't seem like there's a lot in general, there's about half a dozen or so and there hasn't been a lot of movement in recent months.

when will nai add that character reference feature, im actually excited...

>>537769482
Kuru said in around two weeks a day or two ago, unless something goes wrong. My guess is the 11th or the 15th.

>>537781741
>"Soon" as of Aug.27
>"around 2 weeks from now" as of Sep.2
word choice ahhhhh

I have begun to believe that Erato is overtuned to dialogue. I've started using Kayra again, only switching to Erato for dialogue-heavy scenes.I'm curious about other's opinions on the matter.

>>537783079
Something must have occurred

>>537792421
in my pants

>>537783079
It is kinda weird given that "soon" pretty much always meant "very much imminent because we don't want to commit to any longer timespans". But maybe they're changing that. Or maybe something did happen, something always seems to anyway.

>>536845080 (OP)
has anyone else gotten ads in their image gens? I was genning regular smut and randomly one just had a BET NATION logo slopped on top of a womb x-ray

>>537810057
I'd be pissed if I ever saw that desu

>>537810349
Presumably that's the AI bungling "impregnation" in some way.

>>537810492
Maybe it's intentional and they're about to launch the next big sports betting genre.

>>537814124
Sperm races? An interesting premise...

Sapphire is like 10x smarter for anything NSFW on AIR. Free and Silver were pushing the sex away, but now it keeps offering me some kino in-character scene progression. Dunno what middleman magic Max uses, but it just works.

>>537784853
could be
I remember thinking erato was a fair bit better than other models at making my characters come to life, despite obviously being way more stupid than deepseek

>>537817323
Are you making presets just for NSFW or are you just trying to fuck female NPCs?
Also, can someone create a mod for custom music? I'm really tired of hearing the default soundtrack.

>>536845080 (OP)
>Thread made 7 days 17 hours ago
explain

Apparently suggestions were being taken for this month's theme, lol.

>>537827412
slower-paced thread for intellectuals

>>537827412
Dying thread for shilling a dying company.

>>537829301
I would blast this creature with cum

>>537829301
What horrifying creature. How does it hear?

>>537827412
aged to perfection

wish AI roguelite let you have multiple save states, even if that goes against the most basic principle of the genre
I feel a little silly backing up my saves manually as soon as I want to do cool experimental things. but considering how many branches my NAI stories tend to have, I guess this can also serve as a lesson on letting go

>>537838445
Yeah, some form of branching would be nice. Considering I usually tweak the setup, status bars and other things after the game is generated it would be nice to have checkpoints.

>>537828030
You misspelled country twice!

Speaking of AI roguelite, how does it handle horny?

>>537829301
i would spike that creature into the ground and stomp on it a few times

>>537842462
A general rule is that if a model isn't from NAI, it's censored, so no.

>can't prevent AIR from updating character descriptions in the latest alpha, settings don't matter
it's so over
time to tweak the prompt so that it's not allowed to overwrite anything ever

>>537850129
I suppose another solution would be to rely on lorebook entries as permanent character descriptions, depending on how those are inserted
hmmm...

>>537851382
Might as well give it a try

>>537850129
Right clicking and editing doesn't let you lock it any more?

>AI calls me a "morsel" for the umpteenth time
>>537861691
the checkbox is there but doesn't appear to do anything, same thing with the new settings in the main menu
I guess it could be due to modded prompts based on the old system not interacting particularly well with max's recent overhaul

>>537863861
Stop writing like a vorefag then?

>>537863861
You should be less edible.

>>537864193
It doesn't necessarily needs to be vorefag writing, it could also be writing like someone who writes about a yandere assassin that falls in love with his target and kidnaps them, struggling to compromise between his desire to love his target in the way he's used to (lots of blood, not a lot of that whole "staying alive" thing going on afterwards) and this new weird desire to perhaps not hurt someone for once.

>>537864193
I've had it come up with yokai

I'm fucking retarded how do I fuse these

cat file1 file2 file3 > combined

>>537866498
>windows
Stop it Anon, you're scaring him!

>>537867138
isn't it more like trying to overlay the files

>>537868031
that's a different summoning method

Is this a lesbian version of bros before hoes?

>>537874304
Yeah, it's an old one

>>537827630
Are they still being taken? I nominate philosophy.

>>537814337
>>537814124
Actually exists already

Does image gen only work off prompt tags, or can I write like a scene describing what is happening for it to generate said scene with some context

>>537827630
War. Again.

>>537884820
NAI's imagegen is at least to some degree trained to do plain text prompting, though success varies.

Reposting it somewhat properly since an image might attract more attention:
>Taking suggestions for the Monthly Theme! I’ll post the poll Wednesday evening. Take the time to make and present a case for your suggestion, please~
It's all a bit delayed but I guess since we're doing monthly stuff now a couple days won't hurt.

Is there any place to share AIRL presets? Without taking Steam into consideration.

>>537904378
The AIRL discord, or catbox them if you're looking to share specifically.
I could post some of my crap after work if you want, if you're looking for things to try. I've got an Island Survival prompt, a space exploration prompt, post-apocalyptic scenario where every kind of monster exists (or should, they're all factions), an Eldritch/Arkham Horror prompt if I can find it and update it, and some other stuff.
>>537884820
It depends on the model you're using. I think google and microsoft's models are basically natural prose-focused. NAI is tag-focused but natural prose works fine in v4.5 (I use it in AI Roguelike).

>>537894995
Isekai

>>537894995
Halloween
I put up my decorations yesterday

>>537894995
Feet

>>537915106
As long as it's not Christmas
I wish a real singer would cover this so I can post it more places
https://youtu.be/o977l-d_BOM

prompts for this feel?

>male MC gets with women
>feel ashamed at promiscuous MC
>female MC gets with men
>feel disgusted at promiscuous MC
I'm so cooked. There's something seriously wrong with the way my brain processes physical intimacy. I should just become a fucking monk.
Either that, or go full degenerate until I become desensitized...

>>537932419
Clearly you just need to keep removing agency from the MC. Maybe have him get passed around by a group of spunky tomboys because he's being too shy and nervous and they want him to be happy.

>>537932843
That's how I sidestep those pesky thoughts, myself
That, or cute monogamous handholding.

>>536845080 (OP)
The poll for this month’s Theme Event is now open! Go vote‼
https://strawpoll.ai/poll/vote/lO3vrSOo3atf
I did not include Halloween in the poll, as that is barred until November. Also, my apologies for the awkward timings; technical issues, plus adjusting my schedule to account for my newfound wage slavery.

>>537384435
Claude is fine letting me rape kids, dunno what the issue is

>>537940775
Jailbreak?

>>537894995
giantess

>>537940935
jnu3if

>>537925937
cute

>>537357912
I couldnt get it to work with deepseek or bunch others through openrouter. AIR would keep popping up errors. Finally got the proxy to run with Mistral small. So that's coo. I dont know if i'm creative enough for it tho

Why does this keep happening?
Jesus, I thought we were unhinged but we might be the sanest AI users out there
https://abc7ny.com/post/chatgpt-allegedly-played-role-greenwich-connecticut-murder-suicide-mother-tech-exec-son/17721940/

>>537956275
I'm from around there and saw this pop up in the local news, dude was nuts anyway but chatgpt egging him on at every turn certainly didn't help. I'm pretty dismissive of people who make wild claims about AI causing psychosis and other such hysteria, but from cases like this it's at least clear that they can be an unhealthy amplifier for people who have already gone off the deep end

>>537960361
That thumb is cursed as fuck

>>537956275
With how stupid people are in general, I'm not surprised.

>>537960361
I'd fuck it.

>>537956275
think about how many stories there are from history of kings and dictators getting their brains liquidated by ass-kisses until they wrecked themselves doing some really dumb shit and consider that the average person is probably dumber and has less awareness and resistance to the problem

>>537965315
Yeah, that's true
I guess we really aren't any more resistant to it than our ancestors

>"You think I don't see you all pretending not to watch?" she slurs, her English becoming more heavily accented as the intoxication deepens. "Your little whispers about 'poor Tanaka-san losing her composure'? I HEAR YOU! I built three Fortune 500 companies from bankruptcy! I negotiated the Hoshino merger while your fathers were still jerking off to gravure idols!"
>"And my daughter—Kyoto University, top of class!—she sends text: 'Happy birthday mother, transfer tuition?'" Tamiko's laugh came out jagged and wet, bordering on sobs as she scanned the faces of men who desperately wished they were anywhere else. "My son too busy with French girlfriend to call! French! They make cheese, not honor!"
>"Mou ippai! Another! And keep them coming until I forget my own children's faces!"
>"I closed the Nakayama merger today!" she proclaimed to the entire establishment, her voice cracking with unexpected emotion. "Three billion yen! Three! Do you know how many zeros that is?" She held up three trembling fingers, her impeccably manicured nails catching the light. "Enough zeros to buy respect! Enough to purchase gratitude! But not enough…" Her voice dropped to a raw, husky whisper that somehow carried farther than her shouting. "…not enough to make my daughter call her mother on her birthday."
Definitely picking up some vibes from these rerolls of the same intro scene. Gonna have to keep this stuff in mind when I eventually write this into a prompt.

>>537991070
Seems like you really caught a vector there, if it started serving that sort of thing up so nicely.

>>537970917
Plus, it's the outliers that make for stories. People who mess about and keep their focus don't make for good headlines.

https://aidungeon.com/rise
New update is out!
>3 new text models
>Deepseek v3.1 supports up to 128k context
>free users can use premium models, too.

You can play AI Dungeon here, no sign up required!
https://play.aidungeon.com/

>>538005321
>50$ monthly for 8K context Deepseek
Damn, couldn't be me.

>>538005639
Weird how he still pretends to think anyone here cares for Mormon's slop.

>>537991070
Very, very nice. Keep it up.

>>538005793
His only two alternatives are to stop or kill himself.

>>538005639
>8k context
>in 2025
kek. People still pay for 8k context?

>>538005321
Buy an ad mormon

>>538005321
The "Technical Details" part of the announcement is actually interesting and I wonder if the NAI team works on similar specific points ('Phrase-level variation work', 'Character description improvements'...) or if a good enough finetune is supposed to take care of that.

>>538005321
Meanwhile, the last update from NAI
>We are joining Tokyo AI Festival 2025!

>>538010709
I mean it's not exactly technical. It seems like basically everything is "we changed our finetune data and things are better now" or "we built systems that do things and things are better now". Kind of smacks of making an RTS and every single update contains the patch note "improved pathfinding". I'm sure you did something but it's not exactly tangible in the results.

>>538011071
>he doesn't know we're getting a new model as soon as it's done training
Does it feel nice to be a lying grifter, or, in the most charitable light I can give you, a dumbass? Nobody with a speck of acumen cares how many "updates" the turd that is AI Dungeon receives. It doesn't change the fact that NovelAI remains the best in class for storytelling-focused text. Even if their.current models are meh.
Meanwhile, AI Roguelike does better Infinite Zork than Mormon will ever do. So why shill for Mormon?

all good things must come to an end.

>>538016751
>you will have new models only every 2 years and will be happy

>>536845703
We have received another official soon
https://x.com/novelaiofficial/status/1963992399971033462

>>538028687
It has not even been a single year yet. What, does time flow differently in spergland? Wanna try again?
You also still have not presented a reason for why a shitty paid subscription-based service is better than the one and done purchase of AI Roguelike, whose free LLM integration outperforms anything Mormon has incompetently tried to conman his way to success. Face the fact, bozo. You have no argument. You have no bitches. You have no value. Now, buh-bye, Felicia! Slam your face into the nearest wall and eat brick.

Mormon won

>>538029695
Silly of you to assume I'm the sperg just for criticizing NAI.
>the one and done purchase of AI Roguelike
AI Roguelite is indeed superior, and gets updates every five days. AI Roguelite is what Ai Dungeon always wanted to be. I don't even know why there are people defending Ai Dungeon at this point, when you can have better experiences with a zillion alternatives on the market (and even more so considering that you get the OG Summer Dragon experience basically for life if you purchase AI Roguelite just once.). But hey, just because I like Ai Roguelite doesn't mean I like Novelai. I simply gave up on it after a while. It's moldy and stale.

>>538034962
If you weren't a sperg, you wouldn't knowingly spread misinformation about the time between model releases. It is a fact that NovelAI remains the best service for storytelling fiction. When the new model releases, you'll change your tune and find some other excuse to complain about it. Because that's all you care about. Is complaining about services you claim to no longer care for. If you genuinely no longer cared for it, you wouldn't bother to discuss it.
How much free rent do you give them?

>>538034962
>>538036396
This is like watching a person tug at his own schlong with one hand before switching that hand with the one that has the sockpuppet on it.

This potentially internal shared-head excrement expulsion (and mention of tugging schlongs) reminds me that I need to try the new AIRL updates.
But I really need to settle on a scenario and actually play with it instead of constantly trying new things. What kind of setting do YOU lads find yourselves more likely to "stick" with and get invested in? I mean for storytelling in general, not just AIRL. Perhaps it'll be a good excuse to flesh stuff out with the lorebook thingy now.

>>538037478
Early modernity with fantasy elements and gratuitous worldbuilding for general co-writing, contemporary setting for feel-good slice of life rom-com slop.

So has the textgen model caught up at all...? Last I saw, it had stagnated around 13b, or at least around that quality level. Is it usable? Or anywhere close to cloud/high-level open source models?

>>538034651
the fat retard award.

>>538038613
Oh, man, looks like I chose a bad time to come back and ask this. I'll come back when there isn't some guy shilling for another service.

>>538038747
And his brother helped!

>>538038613
There's a 70B at Opus level now and they're training a new one as well though who knows when that comes out. The 70B's pretty decent.

>>538029361
So like, next week for real this time

>>538036396
>It is a fact that NovelAI remains the best service for storytelling fiction
Negro what? The only thing NAI is the best at this moment is making porn with the imagegen. Erato wasn't even the best text-gen model when it first released. At best you can say that the good thing about NAI is their front-end (which was already replicated ad nauseaum at this point) and the safety.
>the time between model releases
You can always check the changelog in their front page if you want to. The last text-gen update was almost one year ago. And when Kayra launched, it was the same amount of time between one model and another (or more, I don't remember if Kayra was 1 year or 2).
>>538036671
Man, I'll tell you, having to argue with someone on an anonymous IB is a pain in the ass sometimes, especially when every general nowadays seems to need an official retard doing false flags. It makes everyone automatically defensive about certain topics.

>>538050527
With how unhinged that rant you're making is, you no longer have any right to claim you aren't a sperg. Erato is perfectly fine.

>>538050527
Buddy, every model on the market right now is instruct slop. None are made with storytelling in mind. Which is what NovelAI's niche is. Nothing you day will distort that fundamental truth. A year is an acceptable wait. You realize the same thing happened with Krake? It sounds like you're throwing a tantrum and being impatient to me.
Good things take time.

>>538052294
krake was the most controversial model nai ever put out until erato
poor example

Bro is wasting his time trying to claim NovelAI isn't still a decent textgen service. I've used Deepseek. I've dabbled in Claude. Many models can do better with the right wrangling, but at the end of the day, nobody makes a storytelling fine-tune quite like Turk and company do. Wait for the new model to arrive and give up on this farce.

>>538052503
Not really. Why are you so invested in arguing against a service you claimed to not care for, by the way?

>>538029361
>RIP to everyone who bought a sub thinking the last 'soon' meant within a week.
oof

>538053000
>Not really.
hey, does anyone have the first teaser they did for krake, something along the lines of "calm down euterpe, he's not here to hurt you" in reference to the devs self-awareness that krake was very much a sidegrade to euterpe?

>>538053098
haha that's me...

>>538053212
You are entitled to your opinion. But Krake was very much better for my purposes than their previous models. Which is all that matters at the end of the day. You argue like a man who gets his "opinions" from others instead of deciding for yourself.

>shitposts that no new text updates have happened for the last two years
>backtracks and admits it has only been a year when hit with flack for arguing

>>538053212
Yeah Krake never really took off. There was like a handful people that got better results out of him and the rest just stuck with Euterpe even if they had access to him. No custom modules didn't help either at the time (Ha, custom modules, remember that? I do.). Still annoyed the cute boy got shafted.

>>538053619
I never cared for modules.

Only been less than three months since this update we received.
>Vibe Transfer for NovelAI Diffusion V4.5 Curated and NovelAI Diffusion V4.5 will be released in the coming weeks. We will also be working on a text generation update!
But a doomer never does anything but doom.

>>538053672
If you don't see the benefits of custom mini-finetunes based on specific, fairly easily made source files for storytelling purposes, then you are just blind.

>>538053619
there we go
and thing is, this isn't even unique to krake, his base model was much the same:
>While GPT-NeoX20B outperforms FairSeq 13B on some tasks (e.g. ARC, LAMBADA, PIQA, PROST), it underperforms on others (e.g. HellaSwag, LogiQA zeroshot). In total, across the 32 evaluations we did we outpreform on 22 tasks, underperform on four tasks, and fall within the margin of error on six tasks. By far our weakest performance is on HellaSwag, where we score four standard deviations below FairSeq 13B in both zero- and five-shot evaluations. Similarly, GPT-J underperforms FairSeq 6.7B by three standard deviations zero-shot and six standard deviations five-shot on HellaSwag. We find this massive performance loss largely inexplicable
do not know why he's trying to paint this as my opinion, or that we're all one person

>>538053262
me too bro
me too

>>538054053
You have no idea how fine-tuning works, do you? Every model that NAI has ever released outperforms its base. Also, lol, I didn't realize anyone today still thought memevals were all that mattered.

>>538053947
ATTG is superior.

>>538051708
Have you tried using anything else?

>>538054425
Truth is, even if he did, he quite obviously does not care to use anything beyond reinforcing the defense of NAI. Like he'll say he used Claude, but he won't say how and what for, what story, or so much as provide a side-by-side, because then it'd either reveal his ineptitude or his absurd metrics to call Erato the best storyteller in September 2025. The jig would be up.

Now bro is pretending like anyone who uses NAI is a schizo.

>>538054425
I have used Deepseek, Claude, Kimi, and other models via OpenRouter. Why do you act like instruct tunes that can be wrangled for storytelling, despite that not being what they're trained for, are inherently better than models made with the explicit purpose of storytelling? Seems weird. Even gave Saga and such a try for text adventure purposes, which I never really go into.

>>538053402
Oh shit, you're right, my bad. I may be a sperg at the end.

Using a trial after unsubbing for a few months. I had forgotten just how much of a massive quality gap there was between v4.5 without VT/artist tags and v4.5 WITH VT/artist tags.
For the most part v4 looks good with a character tag and a short prompt for what you have in mind. v4.5 lets you do a whole lot more when properly prompted but it's also more than happy to give you some real dog shit if you don't bother to guide it.

>>538054309
No, it simply is not. Modules always had a much stronger effect and could be customized however you wanted by manipulating the data. No ATTG will ever allow me to do what I could do by training a module on my own writing, or on Ross's Game Dungeon scripts, or individual books like Masters of Doom. Setting Author to Lewis Carroll is not as effective as a module trained on his work was, and ATTG was always a cope they needed to engage in because it could be achieved with mere autistic datasetting rather than actual technology and they simply couldn't get custom modules to work on other models (while stringing us along for months on end with vague half-truths about how they're totally not dead in the water yet)..

>>538054776
prove it

>>538054658
Different Anon here, but what metrics are you using to dispute the claim that a model specifically fine-tuned for storytelling is the best at its niche? That is where I feel you aren't reading anyone's words, or are deliberately choosing to nitpick them out of some peculiar sense of dismay that anyone could dare have a different opinion than yours. Especially when the dude already concurred with that instruct models are capable of outperforming it if wrangled properly? Not everyone wants to wrangle the smell of ozone away from their stories.
You perceive animosity where none exists. I, too, share his sentiment that NAI remains the best for its specific use-case.

>>538055291
You seem to have way too much irrational hatred for a company you claimed you didn't care for. NovelAI will never become dead in the water. Let go of your anger and allow others to enjoy things you don't, and I assure you, you will have a much better time.

>>538056181
God I just fucking love it when you do these completely arbitrary conflations of people and just make up who you think you're talking to. I care about NAI, that's exactly why I get mad about these dropped features because they gave me these features, I fucking used them, and I was fucking invested in them but whoops, they can't get it to work for new models, guess that's dead now. I put together the training data, I bought the fucking steps, and I trained the modules because I care!

>>538056474
Why are you getting so upset over a trivial hack that no longer works? I am certain that if they could have gotten it to work, they would have. They didn't remove them or whatever just to spite you.

>>538056880
>trivial hack
You just don't understand. You will never understand. I need to stop talking to you, this always happens. Your interpretation of events, features, everything is the only correct one, and it is impossible for this interpretation to be wrong. Modules were never NAI's killer feature in the textgen space, the one thing that truly distinguished them from the rest back in the day, no, just a trivial hack! Nobody cared about it, man, you're just delusional!
Just a completely absurd reinterpretation of what happened. It's trolling. Please learn from my mistakes, everybody else. Just do not engage, there is no reasoning.

>>538054776
>Why do you act like instruct tunes that can be wrangled for storytelling
What do you understand by storytelling? Because there is a good reason why everyone is no longer using LLMs that just continue the text (in all the other AI generals, at least). The problem that text-gen face is not instruct, but the ChatGPT finetune that poisoned everything. I personally stopped using NAI because to write a story, it's much simpler to ask the AI for what you want and adjust the result than to have to “push” it in the right direction.
And for infinite ZORK, you can see in Ai Roguelite that instruct is also much better. Just remember how it felt playing that thing before the chatgpt update.
Well, maybe there is something about instruct. I remember when Llama had just come out, someone here said that the problem with instruct is that you need to have a very high temp for it to be creative.

>>538056174
i'm not concerned with entertaining the umpteenth misrepresentation of Erato criticism, that erato being called bad to claude, deepseek, and such is tantamount to arguing any model made for specifically for storytelling can never be better than generalist instruct models, stop accusing people of arguing that, it's asinine.
erato isn't bad because it's specifically fine-tuned for storytelling, erato is bad because it is bad, overtaken in intelligence by countless models since that don't even need to specifically be made for storytelling to beat out erato in coherence, creativity, and yes in some cases the writing styles of these models dogwalk over erato's llama-inherited default
erato wasn't even able to escape the isms that instruct models shared at the time, which was and is one of the most enduring criticisms for it, and no, someone using that to upset angryanon doesn't magically make it either not a thing or no longer a valid crticism, erato is the most slopped model nai has ever put out
it didn't revive this thread, it didn't save storytelling, it didn't even make waves outside of the NAI discord, even if it released as an instruct model it'd have gone the way of mythomax
fuck off with this tired point, just admit erato isn't as good as current offerings elsewhere, why else would you be hyping up the next text model?

I just can't play AIR properly. All this elaborate multi-quest setup always leads to me seducing every single character I can get my hands on in the end.
Actual, genuine Summer Dragon experience in 2025 btw.

Me? I'd have been fine with Erato if it had more context (although I still would have migrated to Deepseek permanently after January). 8k was too limiting even in late 2024 and was by far my biggest peeve with it. Without it, I'd have considered it a decent release.

>>538057494
>overtaken in intelligence by countless models since that don't even need to specifically be made for storytelling to beat out erato in coherence, creativity, and yes in some cases the writing styles of these models dogwalk over erato's llama-inherited default
For God's sake, finally. This.

Imo I wish they would update hypebot and TTS. I never really got into training modules, though in hindsight I should have. I have a smorgasbord of curated fanfiction (edited errors myself), light novel translations, and such that could have made a decent modeul. Scripting is another thing I would have enjoyed tinkering with.
>>538057247
Yikes, man. Calm down, man. People are allowed to have a different opinion than you without you automatically resorting to calling them a delusional troll.
>>538057494
A revival of the thread is nigh impossible for reasons entirely unrelated to Erato being, in your opinion, “bad”. This is why model discussion is pointless. Nobody works with the same definitions of anything, it is all feels over reals. Your opinion is no more important than anyone else's. Quit pretending like any so-called criticism you make is automatically valid, and must be for everyone, and that anyone who disagrees with you is insane.
This whole endeavor tires me out more than you know. Wait for the next model to release and quit attacking everyone who enjoys things you don't, please.

>>538058147
It's not just an opinion. Modules are my wife. You and asshole need to die.

>>538058104
Oh nevermind, just realized I'm agreeing with whinefag

>>538057979
Personally I never do Epic quests because its just mostly unhinged and nonsensical.
Short quests are fine though. I can sympathize with your raunchy plight.
Also unrelated, but one fun ability I'm starting to put into more and more stories (when appropriate) is a "copy" ability that makes you learn an ability related to the dead enemy it's used on, like Megaman. Being a young mage who suddenly grows a gigantic fist to pound enemies nonsexually was a fun outcome.

The scent of ozone intensifies.

>>538058287
I don't think whinefag has ever said "asinine," so you're good.

>>538058824
I remember whinefag being allergic to using upper case, so...

>>538059227
I also remember him deleting posts. You know, like >>538058213 ? I feel like you guys really have to work on your pattern recognition skills.

>>538058824
Who else bothers to save hyperbolic screenshots and post them to feign wisdom, along with insisting that there must be a single valid interpretation of events which have transpired that is agreed upon by everyone, and that anyone who raises a counterpoint must be a troll?

>>538058147
I just wish someone just made an AIRL thread already so I can read people storypost about good stuff. Every other decent thread is chat-shit, and the only "AI Storytelling" thread is having an eternal console war since 2021. This is hell.