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>News
Agent Record | Yidhari
https://www.hoyolab.com/article/40707205
Agent Record | Komano Manato
https://www.hoyolab.com/article/40688172
Agent Record | Lucia
https://www.hoyolab.com/article/40687818
Version 2.2 "Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night" Special Program
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>Newest Trailer/Teaser/Character demo
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https://youtu.be/_i8DIN0zyZo (JP)

>Upcoming Events for 2.1
https://zenless.hoyoverse.com/en-us/news/157696
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Data Bounty: Combat Simulation 08/27 - 09/01

>Redeemable codes (claimable in-game or online)
https://zenless.hoyoverse.com/redemption
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>Resources and useful links
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>/zzz/ OP pastebin (use this if making new thread):
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super cute&canon <3

Komano love!

Only guys with small dicks care about meta.

No jeets beyond this point.

Skippers will suffer when they find out the next Voidhunter has 3 Ults and i Jufufu's best in slot.

>>536987427
no one will do anything

>>536987427
I skipped Miyabi, Yixuan, AND Fufu, though.

>>536987528
Everybody will do something.

real thread here
>>536987221
>>536987221
>>536987221

Magical girl arc when?

>>536987240 (OP)
honestly
she's cute

>>536987614
No.

>>536987698
but Useless.

>>536987614
Do not falseflag

>>536987614
fuck off shitskin

>>536987729
She's should get a new skin, along with Miyabi

>>536987417
What does he hang out with thirens?

Red Oni woman when?

Do I roll for Sneed or save up for Angels

>>536988075
just be yourself

>>536988047
If they can come with an archetype for her

>>536987772
Wouldn't want anyone to mistake me for a metafag anyway.

If we can have a Shark and a Octopus thirens, then we can have a crab thiren.

>>536987990
They're skilled in many services.

>>536988295
You will also get a spider as well

>>536988075
If they double down on wimping Wise, then skip.

>>536988295
After the eel-haired medusa mermaid

theory: thirens are the result of intentional genetic manipulation following the original hollow apocalypse, splicing human dna with the dna of animals which had demonstrated an above-average ether resistance

>>536987427
Honestly, Rupture has been the absolute worst so far and I'm glad I skipped Shifu because holy shit is 2.3 looking awful. I would NOT want THAT support. Not when looking this shit.

Only issue is that Fufu is as such not very useful to me, but you know. You can fix that with dupes.

>>536988570
>all it takes is the apocalypse to fund furry research
I was born too early...

>>536988604
That's a stupid opinion.
Jufufu is perfect at C0W0. Her engine does nothing, her C1 does nothing significant. Neither does her C2.

nice upcoming def inflation boss zzzkeks

>>536989186
Cry more wimp.

>>536989186
>He doesn't have Pen%s

>Only rupture fully focused agent i like design wise is the goat
>She's a support
Not again, this is 1.X all over again.

>>536988962
You have no idea what you are talking about, which is okay. But don't act as if you'd know.

I can't wait to roll yidhari.
Sorry seed ur a skip

Wife

I wonder how long it takes for them to make a character start to finish, from concept work to the finished product? I recall people basing their expectations on more S-rank males based off of that interview a bit before 2.0. If they were going to drop at least the first male, patterns so far would dictate the patch before the big VH/meta unit like Lighter before Meebs and Hugo before shifu.

If they were to start designing characters from that interview I wonder how long it would take for them to show up?

So I've broken my hand.
Someone please count how many rolls I'm going to miss in the next 30 days of not being able to do shiyu/DA.

>>536989907
Honestly I'm with you.
I'm not really a clipping autist. And I don't expect I'll see much clipping when you are playing her normally.
And frankly I don't really care if she uses her tentacles at all. Most thirens don't use thier thiren aspects in combat anyway.

>>536989638
You sound mad because I'm right about your crap opinion.

>>536990197
Its not just designs, they have to time their releases depending on the story at the moment. On top of changes during developement

>>536990351
like 12.

Not that big of a deal. It's ridiculous how much retards focus on Deadly Assault when the rewards are dogshit

>>536990351
I'll do it for you. post your account details

Do we know how the VH banners are gonna work going forward? Will it be an x.4 and x.0 thing from now on? Is that typically the case in other Hoyo games also? If that's the case have they ever strayed away from this pattern to try keep people guessing or whatever or have they been pretty consistent with it?

>>536990360
>And frankly I don't really care if she uses her tentacles at all. Most thirens don't use thier thiren aspects in combat anyway.
Isn't it racist btw. Like, do you expect Lycaon or Ben to use their jaws?

>>536990497
12 is nothing to feel too bad about I guess. Maybe I'll even manage to do low level shiyu with 2 fingers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kF3_IFPaJA&list=LL&index=1
This is ZZZ's legacy

>>536987318
My dick’s pretty small. Does that mean I should start caring about meta? I’ve been dickrolling this whole time.

>>536990630
Kinda doubt it, Zhao will appear on 2.2 it seems but still not playable in 2.3. Ye Shunguang will appear in 2.3 and i really doubt they will not try to shill her for a few updates. Chinatsu appeared in 2.1 but STILL no idols in 2.3 either.
Honestly i think the next VH like agent will be on 2.6 this time.

Now, now, you need to clear your meridians

>>536990630
VH are just super hyped limited agents, so I guess nothing out of the ordinary. Maybe a new start screen.

>>536990830
NTA but speaking of Thiren racism, that reminds me. Didn't that one girl who bullied Alice in highschool get Alice to dress up as a carrot in a play? Isn't that just straight up racism lmfao, like the equivalent of getting a black kid to dress up as a watermelon or something or strapping fake explosives to a muslim kid rofl. Crazy how they just glossed over that shit.

Aura farming husband.

something something zero yen

>>536991398
Don't get lazy. Do it properly.

>>536990875
>>536991082
My b, I'm not familiar with hoyo games and I just know that the other games have their own versions of hyper meta units that come every so often. I was just wondering if they were consistent on the patches they dropped and that is was a normal cycle I could potentially plan my pulls around lol.

>Ye Shunguang
Have we seen what she looks like yet? Either in game or in marketing? I'm somewhat interested to see how she'll work if she'll be playable and how they'll differentiate her from Yi Xuan.

what the fuck is a meridian?

>>536991398
Yoneless Yone Yero?

>>536991068
I'm all jacked out shifu

>>536991082
Nothing will ever top Mibibi's kino.

>>536991398
something about romania or ritual posting or whatever

>>536991460
>My b, I'm not familiar with hoyo games and I just know that the other games have their own versions of hyper meta units that come every so often
Tbh, me neither. ZZZ is like the only gacha I am playing and I am doing a pause. But honestly, Miyabi and YX weren't anything special, just had a different starting menu.

>>536991113
>Crazy how they just glossed over that shit.
Well, its China. Remember that Dawei is part of the CCP.

>>536991478
Sweep the temple grounds for one thousand days and you’ll understand.

>>536991230
Normally I hate zoomer slang, but I have to admit he do be farming them auras.

>>536991068
Shishou please....

>>536990630
We've only gotten one real void hunter in the form of Miyabi and one "fake" "void hunter" (China Select) in the form of Yixuan, so it's too soon to really say how they'll be arriving. Miyabi's banner was just a normal banner, though.

>>536991478
The book written by Cormac McCarthy.

>>536987427
I will still clear content without even having to try.

>>536991685
If you mean that it got glossed over because we're in the China region and they don't want to show chinese people being racist, Alice isn't from Waifei and her school is clearly meant to be for European nobility

>>536990630
I just think it's gonna be in X.0 going forward. Next is 3.0, 4.0, etc...
Especially given what they said in the last interview

>>536991478
a meridian is essentially a "connecting line/loop," with regards to how the word is used in both astronomy and geography, which passes through all the major points in a particular set. with regards to cultivation woo-woo qi bullshit, it probably refers to how they think your body has a circuit of mystical energy flowing through various internal nodes that correspond to either a physical or metaphysical function, which is why that minigame yixuan teaches you involves twisting a loop to pass through a series of points in a specific order

Does Miyabi M1 count as pen or def shred?

>>536992482
Def shred, so it will stack like shit with pen

WEW that was a good nut.

>>536990830
>Like, do you expect Lycaon or Ben to use their jaws
Yeah it would be cool if Ben just pinned down some random schmuck and started to tear out chunks off him like bears do but this is kid and brown friendly game, good things are not allowed

>>536992031
>Miyabi's banner was just a normal banner, though.
Honest question, would something be typically be different? I genuinely don't know lol.

>>536992482
defense ignore works more or less identically to penetration

>>536991519
Miyabi is overrated

>>536992586
>>536992482
You still need Pen Ratio because her Ult, EX, Basic depends on Pen Ratio.

>>536990830
Ben literally uses his bear claws on his non-EX skill, while Lycaon intentionally avoids using his bestial traits as a form of discipline, which is why his model and his signature engine have a motif featuring restraints.

>>536992771
>defense ignore
It only works as subtraction if Boss's DEF get buffed mid-fight.

It's actually inferior to Pen Ratio.

>>536989186
>pen stonks
>def shred stonks
Rupture shilling doesn't matter.

>>536990830
I don't think it's that weird? Like Alice jumps super high, Lycaon does at least use his claws, Elllen uses her tail, Ju Fufu uses her claws, Nekomata shakes like a cat about to pounce on a bird on her ult...

Newest Yidsneyfag cope:
>"It's le racist to expect thirens to use parts of their body for their evolutionarily intended functions"

>>536992972
don't mean to sound rude, but so you have a source? read a guide earlier saying that the way damage calculations were handled, %def ignore and %def shred were identical mathematically, because the calculations for defense were (base defense X (1.0 - %def ignore - %def reduction - %pen ratio) - flat pen). if that's wrong, would like to see what the actual formulas are

LycaWise

Just bought my first car bros, I have not whaled for a while now and beating Fomo is easier than i thought. Cant be

>>536993234
Ju FuFu has weapons, those aren't her real claws but it still doesn't take away from the overarching point that even half thirens are heavily influenced by their animal nature. Their choice of weapon is whatever but it still leaks through except in the case of Lygon who's actively avoiding it

>>536993384
>- %def ignore - %def reduction - %pen ratio
Source? There is no damage formula that claims this.

>>536993590
Wait, remembered it wrong. Here's the one I saw, from some long google doc I got linked.

>>536993552
>could have had feral Lycaon where his ult transforms him into a super DPS for a limited time
>instead he kinda just spins a bit

>>536993295
Unless something is changed (and it won't), I can never defend yidhari. I'd only be happy if they gave her away for free at this point

>>536987240 (OP)
Cute!
she's growing on me despite the meh feet focus

>>536994219
She's SHIT. Where is my Orphie?

Devs will panic announce new male character on the next livestream.

>>536993896
> When decibels reach 3k, press the ult button for an install to turn into an attack agent
> While in super form, all attacks are enhanced and you have increased crit rate / DMG
> While in this form, your decibels count down to zero where the install wears off once it reaches zero. You cannot generate more decibels for this agent until the install wears off.
> Decibels do not decrease when off field
Minus the attack agent thing, it sounds like they can save it for the Ye siblings.

>>536994410
don't care honestly, manato's looking pretty good from the beta server so far. only exception will be if it's a cool robot or john zenless

>>536993747
That source says you're wrong and I'm right.

>>536994554
yeah, that's why i said i remembered it wrong
just wanted to confirm that formula was correct

>>536994410
They’ll just say that one of the idols is actually a dude without changing anything about her design.

>>536995035
I can't wait for the shit storm because they still won't be happy and people in here would riot

am i schizo or did they model a subtle cameltoe on yuzuha's skin?

>>536994512
They better not nerf him into the ground before 2.3 hits.

>>536995194
literally just the inside curve of the asscheek, they'd never get away with cameltoe as soon as anyone online found out

bros...
I think my dick is broken.
It's not going down after I fap to Yidhari.

>>536995194
yep, the kot has one too

>>536994410
It will be A rank.

>>536995327
given he's performing decently even when significant parts of his kit flat out aren't functioning or doing damage, should think he'll turn out even better than he is now on release

>>536993234
If we are using slight behaviors then why doesn't the summoned tentacles slaps count?

>>536994219
>attacker
Useless piece of shit

Why did I skip Shifu? FUCK!

>>536995806
Why do you want her?

>>536993234
What fox like thing does miyabi do?
>jumps high.
Hardly an exclusive trait to alice.
Infact she teleports way more and barely jumps at all.

Why does Jane get to use her tail as a functional tentacle, but Yidhari can't use either of her 4 tails as functional tentacles?

The only thing I want changed about yodhari is make here tits massive again

>>536995749
Because they're not genuine with their arguments and you're wasting your time entertaining it.
If it's behavioural then her summoned tentacles is more than most thirens get

>>536995915
>What fox like thing does miyabi do?
FOXfire :)

>>536995926
both use their tails in their animations

>>536995913
Because her tits are HUUUUGE

>>536995329
no i know what you mean with the ass cheek. look a bit further up, head on

>>536995926
Jane has like one atk where she uses it and most people fail to even notice it when playing her.

>>536995926
Jane doesn't use her tail for any attack in combat whatsoever despite having modified it specifically for combat. Feel free to prove me wrong

>>536995749
Because octopus don't conjure tentacles and aren't known or associated with summoning anything.

>>536996027
Ur right I forgot fox's were pyromancers.

>>536996087
Then… why did you skip her?

>>536996303
What do you think causes forest fires? Lightning? Humans? Pshaah!

>>536996195
So what? It's a slight octopus reffence and behavior so it counts.
Octopuses slap tentacles around and her kit references that. Just like your supposed other examples.

>>536996393
I thought it was a bird

>>536996378
I was into flatties at the time.

Is the Shifu coin rising?

i somehow never noticed that yunkui summit has kids too
do you think they all get their turn with yixuan?

>>536996195
And goats don't summon ethereals
And pandas don't do kung-fu.

>>536996554
Massively.
Jstern basically said she's the best dps in the game as of next patch.

ZZZbros... i got top 10%

>>536996554
She was already doing BIGLY with just Panda/Fufu but with upcoming Rupture shilling, she's going to do even better

>>536996593
Yes they do, haven't you seen Kung fu panda ?

I need to learn how to play Soukaku, when I watch other players they get double my score in stun with worse builds.

>>536987240 (OP)
Are the people saying she's ugly just jealous because they don't have feet as cute as hers?

>>536996974
My feet are cute as fuck. Fuck you.

>>536996397
A few things: 1) I haven't even made any other examples, what are you talking about? Are you confusing me with someone else?
2) summoning a random animal part is not indicative that you are a thiren of that animal. If she was a normal woman who summoned tentacles because she loves the occult, you would not then be screaming that she is a octopus thiren.
3) Like I said earlier, the act of summoning is not associated with octopus so it can just be Sean as another weapon use by her and we both know a thiren can use any weapon they want even if it's not associated with their animal.

Simply saying she summoned up a tentacle in one or two attacks is just hand waiving the problem.

>>536996974
She’s aight, nothing to write home about. If she didn’t have the robot, I wouldn’t pay attention to her at all.

>>536996974
A girl got slightly mad when I told her I was into feet in a conversation and startly calling me weird and pushed it pretty hard. And I just told her you sound like you don't take care of your feet.

>>536997190
It's not a problem because most thirens don't use thier thiren traits.

>>536996593
Goats are highly associated with demons and are used for sacrifices to summon demons, she gets a pass.

Pandas are associated with China and kungfu, he gets a pass

>>536996974
She's not ugly, she's just not interesting.

>>536996974
She's cute but i'm mostly pulling for Seed Sr. She would pretty much be nothing without this.

>>536997425
And wolf's are highly associated with using broad swords and smashing them around so mandatory gets a pass

the difference is that octopus tentacles are prehensile

I've been debating for weeks whether or not to roll for Yanagi or Seed for an Electro DPS and I have made my decision.

I've decided to go the hag route.

How to fix Orphie pull value and S11 at the same time
>Fire Suppression counts as aftershock.
And we're done.

Chinatsu love

>>536997697
*kisses you on the lips*
good choice, bwo

>>536997661
Litterally doesn't matter. A sharks """"tail"""" is not prehensile and gets used.
It's not a qualification.

>>536997812
At least finger my ass first

>>536997743
People would riot if S11brick got aftershock before Burnice.

>>536997305
Thirens animal nature already define their combat
> Bears - heavy and clunk to play because of their size
> Jane - fast and agile like a rat
> Alice - all about evasion like a rabbit
> Nekomata - all about fast strikes
> Pulchra - all about ambushing the opponent
> Ju Fufu - her kit is all about might and translating her overwhelming strength
> Ellen - all about attacking in burst to hunt her prey

The only ones who don't are Miyabi who is just katana girl and lycon who makes a point to hold back his animal nature

>>536997697
based hag enjoyer

>>536997903
it does when you want it to be an active part of characters moveset
furry tails and ears dont do anything
ellen has a BIG FAT HEAVY tail so it gets used, yes

>>536997946
Burnice needs actual utility to her kit, not aftershock.

>>536997964
Actually, Lycaon is a specific breed of wolf/sled dog, hence the ice legs. You can see this on notes in ZZZ concept art

>>536997550
I already said their choice of weapon doesn't matter but nice strawman. Wolf boy is obviously a guard dog for the gates of hell or some bull shit which is why his play style is aggressive and is a fire DPS. Now tell me about your pole dancing Octopus

What does Offensive Assist mean? Quick assist?

>>536997964
>heavy and cluck
Panda is heavy but not clunky.
>fast and agile
Rats aren't agile at all decently fast though but almost everyone in zzz is fast for the most part.
>all about evasion
Lmao no she's not.
>nekomata fast strikes.
Sure
>pulchra about abushing the opponent.
So is every aftershock character.
>jufufu is overwhelming might.
Tigers all the kings of steath the fuck are you talking about its there best trait.
>attacking in bursts
Ellen is one of the few non burst dps in the game.

>>536998132
All those thirens have claws and jaws. And don't use them either.

Should I skip both 2.2 and 2.3 if I only have Astra, Yuzuha and Miyabi so far?

>>536998241
Octopuses are well known for being related to eldrich gods and and shaping giant summond tentacles around.

>>536997697
Yanagi is awesome: stance switch and blocking.

>>536998731
Why? Pull whatever you want and have fun

>>536999029
Because I can't really make teams around anybody in those patches

>>536993437
Based

>>536998241
I can play that game.
Octopusses are related to eldrich gods and are known in several stories to pervert the minds of men with their presence Aka the pole dancing in this regard.
And also are known to manifest giant tentacles to kill things like yidhari also does.
It's not hard to bullshit some references up.

I wish I owned Yanagi and Trigger but I don't really want them badly enough to get their reruns

>>536998623
the only ones you can make that argument for are lycaon, ben, pulchra and panda as theyre full thirens with actual animal jaws and claws (although pulchras claws look more like regular nails)
lycaons entire gimmick is NOT acting 'feral'
for ben they instead focused on his size and gave him a fuckhuge weapon
pandas ex is all spear hand thrusts which works well with his massive claws
not biting is easily explainable by...simply not being pleasant. biting ethereals or robots would be fucking retarded

>>536999294
ALICEBROS OUR TIME IS NOW

>>536999082
A lot of teams work in this game take Alice example
https://youtu.be/ca2oQ9HtR20

I haven't kept up with leaks at all, are any of the new units good for Shifu?

>>536999503
lucia is a dedicated rupture support
https://zzz3.hakush.in/character/1451

>>536999503
Yes

>>536999443
Okay but Seed, Orphie, Lucia and Yidhari aren't very flexible

I won't lie. I would be really pissed of the pole dancing animations got removed for some gay ass wack a mole animations woth the tentacles

>>536999294
Surely this anti-freeze mechanic is limited to this one boss shilling Yid, and will not be an ongoing theme going forwards, right?

>>536998217
I didn't know that, but might as well add that to the list of things I said

>>536998764
>>536999294
The most popular one is cthulhu but they actively are trying to go away from it by removing any religious undertone to her character. But I will hold out for any more info on the character before I write it off.

>>536998554
Jane has the best dodge in the game, they obvious wanted to emphasis her agility and dodge counters over the rest of the cast

>Pulchra
The other aftershock characters also make sense from a character design point because we have a sniper, the spontaneous prankster, and the stalking tiger to use your own example

>Alice
Her EX Special would beg to differ which actually gives you a bonus for dodging with it

> Fufu
Tiger's aren't only known for one thing. Tigers also one of the strongest big cats in the world which she utilizes and is emphasized all throughout her kit.

>Ellen
Pre update, Ellen was better played in burst to preserved the ice counters unless you had more mindscapes. Lycon usually had more field time than her in her old teams.

>>536999646
Lucia will work with every rupture
And yid is more flexible than yixuan

Glad the Miyabi dickriding days are finally over.

>>536999613
Every time I look at her, she looks like a mod from GB. Those proportions don't make sense (but I will still goon to it)

>>536999950
>Lucia will work with every rupture
And unless I also get Yidhari in the same patch I wouldn't have a rupture to use her with, and I'm not pulling a second ice DPS when my only S rank DPS is Miyabi

>>537000003
>Those proportions don't make sense
how?

>>537000048
Your Manato?

>>536999864
I lied about the lycaon thing btw.

>>537000048
you will m6 komano from pulling lucia

>>536996135
>>536996150
Who is correct?

>>537000062
Well, maybe not "doesn't make sense" but it's something you expect to see on literarily every GB mod you can find. It just doesn't seem official

>>536999864
Nah ellen was never a burst dps and has never played that way even in her best teams.
>stalking tiger
Yeah spinning on a popcorn maker is what I'd call "stalking"
>has a dodge bonus on 1 atk that usually sub optimal
That's a nonsense argument to imply her entire gimmick is hoping around

>>536996702
Well jobbed bwo

>>536999646
Seed and Orphie work with a lot of attack units check the leakers video and soon we will get the official pre release videos

>>537000242
her hips are definitely big but isnt it in line with other 'big' characters? i think the fact that her chest is small makes them seem bigger in comparison

>>537000242
This mod has literally no hip bones

>>537000148
>>537000197
His team requirements ask for either a second fire character or a second rupture so you can't play him as a main DPS without Ju Fufu

>>537000354
>Seed and Orphie work with a lot of attack units
And who am I supposed to use them with, fucking Billy?
And yes I know about those Seed/Billy meme clears and Seed has been getting hit with repeated nerfs because of them, if Seed is still getting 50k scores with A ranks or standard S ranks on live servers I'd be very surprised

Ddi the leaekrs say anythng about doing Seed's agent story before the main plot first?

I'm like a 2 months in to playing zzz and this is my first leak cycle iv payed attention to.
How does zzz usually buff or nerf characters? Are they the type to just shove m1/m2 into characters when they are too weak?
Do the just buff multipliers alot?
How about nerfs do they do big nerfs or small nerfs?

>>536998550
yeah, offensive assist is the old name for quick assist
the m4 basically gives him a pseudoparry you can activate while he's charging up his sword

Should i?

>>537000307
>>has a dodge bonus on 1 atk that usually sub optimal
>That's a nonsense argument to imply her entire gimmick is hoping around
all of her specials trigger perfect dodge
she jumps onto her opponent and does a corkscrew during her dodge counter
she jumps high during her enhanced final ba
her lvl3 ba and ult are zooming all over the place
she jumps during her hollow gear move too
alice probably moves the most out of all characters because its just chaining her super long range ex dash attack into enhanced ba jump attack into 360 zooming with lvl3 ba

Octopussy

>>537000593
>if Seed is still getting 50k scores with A ranks or standard S ranks on live servers I'd be very surprised
She probably will. There isn't a big difference as to who the other attacker is unless it's Orphie and she's tailor made for Seed. Seed will be strong for a while but that also means she'll fall off the fastest since she needs another attacker while every other attacker doesn't need or want her

>New agents are not getting enough art...
>Release the Kraken!

>>537000452
You can use Lucy, Lighter or Koleda but I'm going to stop here since you're going to deny everything anyway.

one thing I WILL give zzz some credit for is that agents still regularly appear in the game and even in the story
wuwa's going through a phase right now where they keep characters relegated to their story patches mostly and people aren't happy about it, the last character added literally died and one of the more hyped characters might be a figment of the MCs' mind and not really a character involved in the story

>>537000452
fuck me, i really dont want to pull fufu
what about something scuffed like komano pulchra lighter?

>>537000785
Looks gorgeous

Bunny wife!
Happy life!

>>537001116
>Lucy
600 flat atk isn't exactly a hugely meaningful buff for a rupture but I guess
>Lighter
Literally will not work, he's locked to same faction or attackers
>Koleda
I guess
I honestly hope they'll change his team requirements in a later beta version because it's frustratingly hard to build a team around him

What role does the octopussy fulfill? Do I need X character before getting her?

>>537001230
They do what in wuwa? When was the last time Chixia appeared again?

>>537000389
> Make a hebe
> Give her loli top
> Give her hag bottom
Maybe that's it. The contrast is what's making me do a double take

>>537000418
I just found a random one lmao but that's what I'm saying

Today will be a good day.

>>537001109
>>537001410
Need art of her tentacle raping agents.

>>537001109
>>537001410
I need art of her molesting people with her tentacles.

>>537000821
That's all teleporting not jumping.

>>537001675
Congrats

>>537001230
I really like that as well but worry it'll be less viable the more agents they add.
We need a Victoria Housekeeping x Spook Shack event and we need it now.

>>537001230
Who's a figment of rovers mind?

>>537001682
>>537001734
I hope she is overly cuddly and enjoys wrapping her tentacles all around Phaethon.

>>537001551
She's a rupture dps.
She wants lucia.

>>537001734
what

>>536997697
good choice

>>537001516
all they gotta do is change lighter to work with "attack or rupture" since attack really does feel like it's getting replaced by rupture as time goes on

>>537001752
the only moves you could call teleports are lvl3 and ult

>>537002035
Why would they do that?

>>537001675
please redeem the golden shit saar

>>537001970
The goat is generally good, not just for Yidhari. With her, we'll finally have a dedicated support for every niche (Attack, Anomaly, Rupture).

>>537001752
> Alice - all about evasion like a rabbit
Reminder that the original claim was about evasion not jumping. That was a different anon who responded to you but funny how you're just dismissing it all the same

>>537000307
>>stalking tiger
>Yeah spinning on a popcorn maker is what I'd call "stalking"
Listen, you wanted a reason why she's an aftershock character. Like the rest she is ambushing the opponent and using the on field agent as her cover. Idk what else to tell you

>Nah ellen was never a burst dps and has never played that way even in her best teams.
What revisionist history is this? You build up counters with ellen and then have the stunner build up daze until it was time for her to unload during the stun window. She was not as rigid as Zhu Yuan but her optimal way to play was to prey in the stun window like most attackers.

reminder that jufufu uses popcorn because tigers piss smells like popcorn

>>537002134
because people are going to find a way to make lighter work with ice/fire rupture one way or another. currently, orphie is being theorized as the missing link

Isn't it kinda early for a dedicated rupture support when there's only gonna be two dps rupture S ranks? unless one is planned for 2.4 also

>>537002035
Leave lighter behind. I don't need him justifying the existence of weak ice / fire DPS because you need his buffs for them to be good

>>537002174
You are revising history ellen never played that way.

>>537002339
nah i'm gonna keep using him

>>537002320
They're speedrunning supports since that's the class that brings the most money aside from VHs.

No offense, but I'm going to fuck Lucia sexual style.

Is Trigger still worth picking up?

>>537002320
they've realized people only spend money on supports because the eternal endgame rotation and inflation keeps leaving new dps characters feeling obsolete

a lot of people have the mentality that they're only going to roll on supports and void hunters

>>537002320
I'm not rolling 2.3 until we see 2.4 thats for sure. Kinda nasty how they are running the game with the endless shilling marathon.

>>537002174
If spinning on a popcorn maker counts as stalking tiger then manifesting tentacles counts as aggressive octopus.

>>537002437
Do what you want on your account but don't force him into rupture just because

>>537002320
No? The only thing they could’ve done differently is made Lucia an A-rank and sold a premium support later.

>>537002581
>a lot of people have the mentality that they're only going to roll on supports and void hunters
That's basically what I'm doing so yeah

Making s rank supports super generalist while having bigger buffs than niche A ranks was a mistake.
I don't know how hoyo always falls into the same trappings when making 5 star supports.

guys I'm starting to think that limited characters might be stronger than standard characters
how does Hoyo not see this?

>>537002806
Oh yeah they should make supports only work for 1 character and make you pull an entire new team for every DPS you get

>>536992638
Google is being a prude and won't help me find this image, where is it from, I need to for reasons...

I'm just glad that my girl is a support so she'll remain relevant for a long time.

>>537002610
Making her an A rank would literally be a big difference

You know when someone doesn’t play the game and only wants to shitpost for attention

>>537002897
i'd argue that supports shouldn't exist and buffs should either be kept to modest numbers or facilitate new mechanics rather than raw power

>>537000689
It's all random

>>537001917
>>537001734
I think a part of her gimmick will be her tentacles having 'minds of their own' and molesting agents/proxy that way. Perhaps they could take the angle where the tentacles might show her true desires. She might say or do one thing, but when she turns around her tentacles start groping you or swiping stuff lmao. I don't have the webm saved but there's that one animation where Yid is stretching and her tentacle starts touching her leg (me) and she has to beat (me) off. Moreover it lends to how octopi have brains in their arms and stuff.

>>537003092
This post is antisemitic

>>537002610
support characters should have less potent buffs and be more like sub-dps characters who you need use on-field for a certain amount of time to get the most out of them, rather than EX whores you immediately swap away from

>>537002598
I wasn't defending the popcorn that you seem to be harping on. You were asking why she doesn't use stealth and my response was that her "stealth" which is used to ambush prey is represented in the fact she's aftershock agent too. Regardless, you're already saying false information because she only spins on the popcorn machine as a quick swap, otherwise she jumps in and and grabs Hu Wei for an impromptu slam and goes off screen again for the aftershock. Your hypothetical isn't even valid

Supports are the most boring and soulless shit, so it makes sense. I prioritize fun over autism, so it's well balanced. Autistic people get meta schizophrenic shit, and I have fun with Seed and other fun to use characters.

Panda buff is really good for rupture

>>537003323
>Seed and other fun to use characters
Seed isn't even fun, her animations are so long that you're barely even controlling her

NOBODY COULD RIDE LIKE JOHNNY THE KNIFE....

>>537003393
He gives 720 sheer force. Goat gives more and she gives other buffs.

>>537003323
>supports are the most boring and soulless shit
>I have fun with Seed
anon, seed turns any attacker paired with her into a fucking support. that's the whole point of a seed team

>>537003145
It'd be pretty funny if she always blames it on the tentacles when she "accidentally" feels up Proxy

>>537003484
I know

>>537003393
I don't have panda

>>537003073
In some regards, yeah, but not really with the release time of a Rupture support.

>>537003438
>press x to awesome, the character

>>537003393
Exactly, we already have an A-rank support for Rupture

>>537003257
I like using Yuzuha to parry enemy attacks.

>>537003484
>Goat gives more
Is it even possible to max out her buff? Currently she needs 23k max HP in order to reach the full 900 sheer force

>>537003393
Im using him since 2.0

>>537003751
yuzuha's parry is a great example of how supports could be more interesting than just swapping in to use the EX skill and generate a quick assist for somebody else

Are you guys excited for 0.3 update in poe2?

The problem isn't that supports are boring to use, it's that Astra specifically is boring to use.

>>537003794
They had a one-night stand they don’t talk about anymore.

>>537003917
Kill yourself Johnathan

>>537004021
almost every support is boring to use because all you do is swap to them, hit their EX, then quick-assist out

it's fucking terrible design that you never see half their kit or animations because there's almost never a reason to keep them on-field

>>537003305
The spin is considered aftershock dmg.

>>537003794
Photo from the 2025 New Eridu CPA Awards Show

>>537004021
I'd argue astra as least changes the gameplay of team a bit with assist atk spam.
The only good support that I think is fun is Nicole.

>>537003794
Did Pan already interact with Ben?

>>537004021
I hope we get someone new that competes with her soon, not the biggest fan of her design either. I only started in 2.0 anyway so I missed her rerun

>>537004129
No asynchronous trade for you in particular, fag

>>537003794
>Ben handles the money
>Pan Yinhu handles the money
>both very hairy
Are bear thirens stand-ins for jews?

>>537004484
how dare you insult them like that

So regarding the mild controversy regarding Lucia and Yid's designs, most notably with their hot pants. I'm not really sure how to word this question, but do you guys think those designs were 'intentional', like of course Yid has her previous nun-theme, but after that was redone, do you think they were always intended to look how they do, hot pants and all. Or do you think they were due to costs/time-saving and/or chasing trends?

I'm not familiar at all with character development but I'd imagine it takes a long time and that making last minute changes, much less overhauls would be very difficult, I think?

>>537004484
We need a polar bear Agent to confirm.

>>537004412
Yes

>>537004484
>>537004712
Kek

When the fuck are we getting the Seed trailers ffs

>>537004209
And? We're not talking about what is and isn't considered aftershock damage. The problem you (or another anon had) was that the spinning animation was the primary way she interacts from off field via aftershock which just isn't true.

>>537000207
No one's been able to provide Jane using her tail for any attack in combat so you tell me. It takes less than 2 minutes checking her animations out either in game or on yt

>>537004797
>Cute pose
lol

>>537004797
wait, when did this happen?

>>537005065
In that one quest you didn't do

>>537004665
Being Rupture agents, I think they might be loosely tied to Yunkui Summit or had some sort of training at some point, but we'll have to see.

>>537004821
Sorry anon still Alice time

> Try to look up (new) Lucia design
> She still pops up
Why must you taunt me....

>>537005065
I belive It's Pan's trust even

>>537005503
MIDhari, if they release a good skin I might consider you

>>537005121
>>537005397
oh, I don't have pan yinhu so that makes sense

>>537004886
I mean she doesn't slam from off field either. Her big after shock attack is opening her popcorn machine and letting the contents spill out.

>>537005264
You know I'd be willing to buy that actually.

Do you guys think we'd ever have agents that are like officially under two factions, as in not just lore-wise but in-game it'll show up as two factions. Two notable ones would by Sanby who many people already mix up as being part of Obol squad and then of course Billy who used to be SoC. Maybe if they ever do S-rank Billy, or I guess, Silly, he'd revert to his 'Champion' form, like how Sanby had to put on her old uniform?

Because Spook Shack lore-wise is just some internet forum, I could totally buy them being mystics, or like you said, related to the Linkuei ninjas, but they just also like browsing in-game /x/ lol.

>>537004797
ben's design is so cool. i wish he was better tuned

Wise is so lucky...

>>537005939
I can see her...

>>537005801
Holy shit I'm so fucking retarded, I meant the Yunkui summit what the fuck. I should proof read my shit more, fuck me lmao.

Obol Squad would be the first proper ranged team.

>>537006317
Is Harumasa / Trigger / Rina a shit team?

>Obol Squad
No
>Obol Squid
YES

>>537006574
>Homomasa
Stop you right there.

>>537005314
>>537005503
>inb4 sold as a nun premium skin
Another Rosaria sucker punch lel

>>537006730
I don't know who that is but sounds terrible

>>536996303
>he doesn't know

if miyabi's height is 170cm (with ears), then qingyi's height is 141cm (with legs)

>>537006730
I'd love to see Halloween-themed skins for both

>>537006995
She is a great onahole

https://litter.catbox.moe/b3mpz2410acl3u8e.jpg

>>537005314

As a green eye fetishist, the most painful thing is that they changed her eye color, that is unforgivable.

>>537006730
Every girl will wear the Yixuan special from now on. You need to buy their skins to turn them back to ZZZcore.

>>537007496
I too miss the green eyes. Do we have any agents with green eyes?

Jstern said endgame is going to be brutal for those who avoid playing Rupture

Miyabi will still be top tier dps
Lucia will sell goatillion and Yidhari will sell octillion
Shifu will keep winning
SAnby will win bigly
2.3 will be kino
Sneed will slop and flop
Pags will cope, seethe and dilate

>>537007925
Shan't be a problem.

>>537007729
Ju Fufu, Yuzuha, Nicole, Qingyi, Piper, Seed, Orphie...

>>537007925
Yeah? Well Howard Stern said that you can't be a rebel without any rules.

>>537008149
> All agents that are off field, I don't own, or don't play
Welp. Sounds like a me problem

>>537007729
>he didn't roll for her

>>537007925
sounds like they want the players pissed and ready to shit on them

>>537007925
Just like end game is rough if you avoid playing anomaly. Dumb statement

>>537002938
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/134403658

>>537008403
She falls for the off field part for me

why the fuck does Yuzuha speak like that in EN? horrible direction
>inb4 JPfags come out of the woodwork

>>537007335
>come home
>don't take shoes off
>take whole legs off instead
>still agile enough to kick your ass
onahole angle is boring desu

>>537008490
The voice direction was really good in 1.X, but it's been lacking a lot in 2.X. I'm wondering if they changed acting directors for the EN dub.

>>537008490
>why dogshit EN tranny VA does a dogshit job
real head scratcher

>>537008490
why can't we get good VAs like that other game..

>>537008618
More like they're looking at a different pond of VA's after the VA strike

>>537008734
that "EN tranny VA" is a married woman living in Japan

>>537008490
I don't mind her?

>>537008764
If they bothered hiring real VAs like Fromsoft does nobody would complain about EN dub

Will I regret skipping Alice? I already got over 20k on miasmic fiend with Piper so I just decided against getting her

>>537008618
>director
im sure it's still that big titted VA that did Furina. and there have been some good ones like Alice and Fufu

>>537008929
>I already got over 20k on miasmic fiend with Piper
You have your answer. As from 2.3, they are going to nerf anomaly and physical again anyways

>>537008918
"Real VAs" have too much self respect to voice anime girls in trashy phone games

>537008918
>hmm...Wise is it? careful going into the hollow, lest you become one!...hehehe...hahahahhhaha!

Hugo has the most fun and unique gameplay

>>537008929
You will regret it bigly

>>537009219
>>537008918

>>537009254
Totalize!

>>537008490
Glad to know that I'm not the only one who dislikes yuzuhas Voice.
Alice is great and I enjoy the suibien temple gang too.

What the fuck I didn't know ranking up bangboo could decrease the number of faction members needed

how long does this summer event take

>>537008912
her inflection is really weird and doesn't fit the tone of the scenes at all with other characters. she stands out in a bad way, she legit speaks like dora the explorer

>>537007925
ZZZ is P2W nowadays.

>>537009514
I've only noticed that for transboo, but it's possible others are also like that.

>>537009552
I always found "P2W" to be a silly complaint, most hobbies are "P2W", the more you pay the better of an experience you will have

>>537009145
me like orph big boob

Komano Manato

>>537009830
P2W only matters ifs its PVP, otherwise who cares

Should I not start getting sig engines until I already have a big roster of characters? Spending rolls on engines slows down the rate at which you expand your roster and improve your team options/coverage by a lot but agents are also quite a bit weaker without them so I dunno

>>537009087
so they voice video games instead?

>>537009332
Cute

>>537009514
>>537009641
only transboo and belion so far but i think its safe to assume its the standard for 2.x bangboos

>>537010021
I personally enjoy flexibility over individual performance aside from a few agents. For ever 3-4 characters you get, you should consider getting at least one w-engine though.

>>537009986
Why is that distinction needed?

>>537009514
>>537009641

He at level 3 only needs 1.

fixed yidhari design
base colors should be black purple and yellow
this is objectively better
>"seven... or maybe more"

komano's kit seems pretty fun for an a rank

>>537010489
Unironically, give her pants. Lets her still do the pole dancing if she wants

>>537004712
>polar
Honestly it makes so much sense for 3.X to be not russia or something snowy

>>537008490
>EN

>>537008912
She sounds fat.

>>537010408
What do you mean?

>>537005801
I doubt that can happen unless it's with alt version like you said. They could also change factions after a main story chapter I guess

>>537010536
I'm quite excited to try out his kit. 2.3 can't come soon enough.

>>537008490
Same shit for Seed
Her EN VA is also doing a different character than the others

Is this a good thing

>>537010736
Why is P2W worse in PvP? If you can't win without paying either way, does it make a difference? Or should we maybe just accept some games are more expensive to play than others?

>>537010536
Is this bitch a steam-engine

>>537008452
Thanks boss

>>536987240 (OP)
Flat

>>537010536
>raw chicken pits
disgusting

>>537011653
Bibian

During the Fall of Eridu, you think the Defense Force ever called out to TOPS/Government yelling "Send in the fucking Void Hunter's Already!!!!"

Only for the reply to be "we did!"

Like, we knew how fucked they were, but did they know how fucked they were

>>537011863
Fuck Tops

>>537012015
No, they do the fucking.

>>537011863
The tactical mistake made during the Fall of Eridu is that they sent a lot of male combatants when we know women are way stronger.

>>537011005
EN VA's being complete 1 voice hacks
News at 11

>>537012149
Shut up Damian

>>537008113
>Artist has to set her twitter account to private because (presumably) some yurifags feel offended over over her shipping preference and they keep posting malicious post/DM to her account.
Why are yurifags like this?

>>537012293
both shipfags and yurifags are dogshit and deserve what happens to them

>>537011054
This clarification doesn't really clarify anything.
Either way all I'm expecting in miyabi dead in a ditch

>>537012293
some people think fiction = reality

We're finally getting a Nikke crossover.

>>537011005
How is it different
I'm thenlive stream she also yoohoos

which zzz faction has the most sex between then?

>>537012686
Random Play

Do you need to level Soukaku's ba? Every da showcase I've see does it but I can't see why

>>537012686
Virtual Idols

>>537012686
>>537012740
This

>>537012686
Victoria Housekeeping Co.

>>537012570
I hate Seed, but CN/JP/KR voicing makes her sound like a girl whose head is lost in the clouds. EN makes her sound like she should be wearing an Autism Speaks shirt while turning every small, colorful object in the room into a choking hazard.

>>537012771
Skill Priority: Special>= Basics >= Ultimate > Assist>= Dodge

SEED looks like shit
Yidhari looks like shit
Lucia looks like Ganyu
2.X and its consequences have been a disaster for ZZZ

>>537012686
Sons of Calydon probably sleep with each other to relieve stress

>>537012686
Cunny Hares

>>537012570
For some reason the EN director went with a gremlin voice for seed. While the others are more soft-spoken. Also, the EN VA is the only one to change the lines

https://youtube.com/shorts/CbwjV5EcJ8Y?si=pfffsB6GR8qAAXtO

>>537012983
Excuse me, please don't compare my goatwife to the reverse isekaid goat.
The Ganyu expy would be 10x more luscious and cocogoaty

I secretly enjoy all the seething she causes

>>537012983
Idol patch will wash away this nasty slop aftertaste.

>>537011128
Well there are some caveats to establish 1st otherwise the argument becomes amorphous. I'm talking strictly from the standpoint where F2P has always been a viable option and paying money only directly give you better states across the board. This excludes things like card games or fighting game DLC characters. This is more from the angle from something like CoD and just having a gun that does more damage or grantees headshots for example.

In PVP games, the community thrives on competition and skill expression to which you can attribute your wins (and loses) to. If you introduce something that just lets a player have a clear advantage towards someone else, it takes away from this core philosophy. It's even worse when this advantage is gated by money, because its a clear sign that the developers never cared for the balance of the game from the beginning and will turbo it to shit in order to get some cheap bucks.

TLDR, people like fair fights and money gating advantages does not promote fair fights

>>537008113
I don't think you realize how massive a dps drop miyabi not being able to freeze is.
Current miyabi at C0 would need to be C3 to match C0 miyabi with freezable bosses.
Miyabi drops 2 tiers without freezing

>>537012983
I agree they look like shit, which is why I'll only be pulling for Orphie and Komano.

>>537012943
She doesn't sound like that to me

>>537012547
My fucking DICK

>>537012686
Billy's dildo module is constantly dirty from being used nonstop by Nicole, Anby, and Nekomata.

>>537013297
NTA but can you explain why? Does she not get her slash stack?

>>537013284
>and paying money only directly give you better states across the board
I meant paying money does NOT give you better stats across the board

>>537013181
I don't think the VA has any control over the lines

>ENdub
I do not have a cat picture contemptuous enough for this

>>537012686
Obol 100% Orphie fap in front of Magus and Seedjr do the same with Seed

>>537013229
Can someone give me qrd on what this cutie did to cause this much seethe. Is it literally just not exclusively being a robot?

>>537013516
you sound indian

You wouldn't fuck an anime girl's armpit.

>need Eve's weapon
>want SEED because I don't have any electric agents
>need Orphie for SEED
>need Trigger for Orphie
>want that Goat bitch for Yixuan
It's over for me.

>>537013423
>*mumbles* "a true starlight knight would never do this... at least not with 3 girls at once.."
>"ITS PART OF THE JOB, BILLY STOP COMPLAINING"

Yidhari is an octopus. She has eight limbs.

Ugliest npc i have ever seen, im glad we are moving more towards genshin desu famalan

>>537013265
Go back to the containment site horsey.
You're only allowed back here once the sales numbers come in, so we can bully you to suicide over how badly the delusion slop flopped.

>2.3
>yidhari largely useless outside of specific rupture shill content, will only grow more irrelevant once more rupture DPS get release
>lucia pretty much a must pull to pair with any rupture DPS, will synergize amazingly with yixuan
nice to see the agent comprised of leftover scraps (yidhari) really was just an afterthought, glad she's releasing so they can focus on making future agents actually good

>>537012686
Not Section 6 since they're all pure.

>>537013284
So your argument is "P2W is fine if the game is easy"?
What about whale endgames then?

>>537013697
You don't really need Orphie for seed
It's the optimal choice, but she can work with other attackers just fine. If you have Neko, use her

>>537013697
Retard

>>537013581
They wanted a big ass robot, instead they got this cutie on a scooter

>>537013839
Except Yanagi that rotten-minded fujo

>>537013581
>skinwalks one of the most anticipated characters since beta and turns it into a mere prop
>looks completely un-OBOL Squady and "lolsorandumb" compared to the rest of the characters in her faction
>is yet another electric DPS in a world full of electric DPS
>is an Attack character in a world where Rupture and Anomaly are the future

>>537013581
>ugly outfit
>ugly hair
>rides a scooter
>footfag pandering
>quirk chungus personality

But the biggest issue is that we could have just gotten the robot as an A-Rank if they were worried he wouldn't sell - OBOL's missing one, after all. They could even have given Big Seed combination attacks with Seed, like Ben and Koleda.

>>537013441
Miyabi's damage output is mostly carried by being able to extend stun windows to ridiculous degrees through freeze and her EBAs not forcing a chain attack if you switch off of her before it ends

>>537014086
>Yenlesse
Oh nonononono hahahahahahaha

>>537013932
the mid range shading detailing of zzz is fucked
theres that screenshot of seed arms lifited and theres no detail of her shoulder or muscles around the armpit
looks like a clay doll

>>537013441
It's not the slash stacks.
There's a mechanic In the game the prevents you from freezing every anomaly proc. (So it's every other anomaly proc) miyabi by passes this because frost flame freeze is considered a different freeze. So she frost flame freezes than soukaku normal freezes and then you can frost flame freeze again because a different freeze happened.
This is important because the freeze anomaly also freezes the the stun bar when a boss is stuned. Usual freezing the boss durring stun once is fine because it would normally happen only once ever other anomaly proc. But since miyabi ls frostflame also freezes you can freeze every anomaly broc leading to multiple freezes inside a stun window extending the stun window to as long as 40-1 min.
This way of playing is what was carrying miyabi. Anytime people are talking about miyabi being busted. They are talking about this way of playing. Otherwise in a normal setting without freezing miyabi is weaker than Hugo.

>want Trigger+sig
>want Orphie
>want Eve sig
>only 170 rolls saved
I'm boned aren't I?

>>537014409
Why are you poor?

>>537013675
Projection

>>537014275
that's because she is a doll

>>537013694
I would breed and impregnate the armpit

>>537014468
Yes saar i am indian saar is projection, i redeem while seed jr does the needful in front of seed

>>537014409
I want Orphie+sig and Seed+ sig and Trigger's Sig and I only have 320 rolls
Hope u get lucky

>>537013694
I would sniffa the hagpit

why do pitfag artists always draw armpits that look like raw chicken in front of a fog machine

>>537013848
I mean not really but it's a logical conclusion to make. Whale endgame can be whale endgame as long as they don't gate important resources from F2P. And by important resources, I don't mean something like a few chromes (below like 720 or whatever the BP gives you), I mean like gameplay defining (i.e., what if to change ellen's playstyle, you needed to clear a whale end game mode completely). If's there's like 3000+ Polychormes, that would also be concerning but there's a fine threshold where whales should be rewarded more but you can't leave F2P to die

>>537014618
>>537014086
>>537014263

>>537014819
because pitpussy sexo

>>537003323
>Supports are the most boring and soulless shit
>So I will pull a character who’s entire gimmick is turning the other attacker to Support who just Ex, swaps
God I already know there gonna be a meltdown when retards finally realize that Seed doesn’t save attackers, she just uses them as a cocksleeve and they aren’t doing anything different than if they were playing 2 supports with an attacker

>>537015217
i already said that anon, you don't have to murder the guy

>>537014507
it unironically look like her back
also the proportions look off

I AM ANGRY ABOUT VIDEOGAMES, WHICH IS MY PREFERRED STATE OF BEING

>>537014820
>Whale endgame can be whale endgame as long as they don't gate important resources from F2P
What's "important" is subjective. Whale endgame exclusive cosmetics might be a dealbreaker to some. Or some just enjoy the game for its boss fights and the thought of being unable to clear the hardest difficulty content without spending a ton of money is a reason for them to quit.
How is not being able to play a game at its highest level without spending cash different between PvP and PvE? Hell, even in a game where there is absolutely no way to gain an advantage by spending money directly on it, or peripherals or what not, you still have to spend money to travel to tournaments, and players with money to spend on coaching sessions by expert players and such also have an advantage.
Fact is, everything in life is "P2W" on some level and I'm not sure why people get so hung up over it. Just stop being poor.

>>537014409
I only have 80 rolls but I want Trigger ball + Orphie + Lucia. I will simply get lucky

>>537014384
I guess I never really looked into it be I looked up DA kills and holy shit you are right with the amount of freezing going on the stun window lasts forever.
https://youtu.be/W1DQTl1cPo4?si=ql9zRZpOdVxpcrfb

>>537014384
>>537014063
>stun window
I play Miyabi Burnice Lucy and have never cared about stun windows so this doesn't affect me whatsoever

>>537015450
yeah, she is a doll
the little girl died and become some sort of cyborg/android

>>537015674
If getting lucky means pulling out your credit card, sure you'll get lucky.

How to save ZZZ: Lucy bride alt

Single character mode when?

The conversation about supports is making me realize I just really want to play the one character on my teams, and the swapping feels like an inconvenience.

>>537015801
Well it would never effect you because you were never playing her at her best anyway.
For you she was always a tier 1 dps rather than t0.
Nit shitting on you btw but it's a big deal for people who care about actually killing DA bosses.
Wait scratch that I'm wrong.
The new DA bosses also have +32% anomaly bars. Meaning it requires more effort to proc disorders and get miyabi stacks.

>>537016017
delet

So in 2.2 we'll be able to pull for: Seed/Trigger/Orphie/Evelynn

Are any of these decent for new players? My only S rank is Koleda

>>537016018
>The conversation about supports is making me realize I just really want to play the one character on my teams, and the swapping feels like an inconvenience.
But they have to sell multiple characters?

>>537015450
>>537015869
doesnt matter
its not about what she is, its about the lack of details
sometimes the shadowing looks like from a pokemon game ffs
I tried fixing the shadow on her armpit but I would have also to fix the model of the character
and I am not even considering the weird toes

>>537016018
>Single character mode when?
Didn't we literally have that as a new Hollow Zero game mode?

>>537016262
You should have started in 2.0 and gotten Yixuan, you aren't getting another new player friendly character until 3.0

>>537016290
I mean, sure, but one mode isn't going to hinder that.

>>537016381
When? I'm returned to the game no long after Yuzuha's banner started.

>>537016384
I started in 2.0 and skipped her for cuter agents

>>537015450
That's just a bit of animation stretching for comedic effect

>>537016384
Low iq

>>537013697
>need Orphie for SEED
>need Trigger for Orphie
Stop complicating things unnecessarily bro if you already have Evelyn what do you need Orphie for?

>>537016262
The main issue is that Seed / Trigger / Orphie work as a team, and you'll never have enough polys for all 3 back to back
Your best bet might be Evelyn since she's much more new-player-friendly, but most people will tell you that you should avoid DPS reroll banners

>>537016213
You know there are 3 bosses on every DA right? Just use her on another side
>never playing her at her best
I mean, it's a gacha games, so unless you are running her at M6W5 (with M6W5) supports you are also not playing her at her peak strength
Just take your 9 star clear and be happy bwo

>>537015581
I already defined what "important" is and that's gate keeping core gameplay mechanics. Whether you want to argue that more resources to do something everyone can do already should be included or not is a different matter and I would agree that some people would draw the line, but its not predatory.

You're also assuming that the people who want to play the game at the highest level won't spend money but F2P was never meant for them. Its for the people who only log on when they see the flashy new character they like, get the bare minimum scores every two weeks and then leave. The people you describe (aka, going to tournaments, get peripherals, wanting a challenge for their M6W5 Miyabi, etc.) will always pay. But OPTING to do that for a PvE game is different from being FORCED to do that in PvP at the lowest level

>>537016262
wait for the showcase videos by good players
dont trust calcs
don't trust reddit
don't trust me even
ultimately, try them out for yourself in hollow zero.

'Member "Midyabi"? How people claimed she only worked with Yanagi and no one else? How changing her condition from AM to CR was ruining her?

>>537017072
That name will come back after rupture patch

>>537013297
>drops from killing with m0 and free units to still one of the best teams in the game
literally don't care

>>537017072
Yeah and now she barely scrapes by Butcher unless you play her in a 6+cost team KEKYPOW

DO NOT THE FUFU

>>537015913
I'll get them all in my 1st 10 rolls, trust the plan

>>537016785
>FORCED to do that in PvP at the lowest level
Who's forcing anyone? You'd eventually just get matched against people who pay as little as you do. The dedicated, high skill and high paying players will basically never interact with you. The only ones hurt by "P2W" are the types that grind away at a game for 10,000 hours but refuse to spend a dime on it, and honestly they don't deserve to have a good experience.
>predatory
It's a video game. Nobody is forcing you to spend. You can always just quit.

>>537016778
Lmao no anon it's not just about new bosses. I'm not even talking about the unfreezable ones.
Seeds patch the next one. Also has the +32% anomaly gauge. And EVERY boss has it it doesn't need to be a new boss they just alter it like they do boss hp.
So it will always effect you.
It's just compounded with the fact they are also making bosses that are unfreezable in the Yidhari patch.

>Yidhari cope
Reminder that she's a trash character and spending any poly on her is endorsing the devs to be lazy fucks in the future. If an octopus thiren was built from the ground up as a character they'd be completely different from what we got. All the devs did was staple tentacles to the ass of a scrapped character, didn't even bother changing animations to fix clipping, and they expect you to slurp it up. And no, what other thiren characters do doesn't matter, if a character has a motif it should be incorporated into their gameplay. There is no excuse for four extra grasping appendages to flop around like limp props while their owner wields a heavy two handed weapon.

>>537017257
>best teams
Not even a top 5 team against unfreezable enemies.

Imagine...

>>537017706
Don't care. Didn't read I'm rolling for hammerpus

>>537017734
So who are the new best 3-cost and below teams then?

>>537016262
eve and trigger

>>537017953
Hugo probably supplants Miyabi as the best Ice DPS in a no-freeze situation.

How would a full thiren octopus looks like. I guess they'll be relatively the same as Yidhari, with four humans limbs + four feelers. But what about the mouth, whoud they have a beak?

>>537014548
ZZZ's character design peaked too early.

>>537017953
For superficially 3 cost
Either m1w1 yixuan m0w0 jufufu and m6 panda
Or m1w1 alice m0w0 yuzuha and m6 Nicole.
Anything else is a massive powergap

>>537018373
>m1w1 yixuan m0w0 jufufu
>m1w1 alice mw0 yuzuha
Both of those are 4 cost

>>537018290
>penis hair
>peak

>>537013581
I don't really care about the robot rugpull but I feel for the anons that do. The top half of her outfit sucks though

>>537018535
Ur right.
Just remove the weapon from both.
Still powergap

>>537018587
I would roll for Davy Jones and get his sig.

>>537017489
I got Yuzuha Miyabi and her ball in like 90 so it can happen

>>537013297
is there an enemy that cannot be frozen?
it's not genshin where every boss is pretty much immune to freeze.

>>537018686
Wouldn't the weapon be a bigger increase than M1?
And is Alice really that good? How would 2.2 or 2.3's characters compare against her?

I lost 50/50 with Yanagi and I'm almost there again but now I'm not sure if I should get her or Alice :(

>>537018630
I'd care less about the rugpull if what we got to replace it was even half as cool. But the crinkly toes, the segway, and her visual design are all repulsive to a lot of people who might have otherwise liked a cute girl piloting a mech.

Except, of course, that she doesn't even pilot the mech.

>>537018750
Many non ice weak bosses aren't freezable.
But more importantly is that the next ice weak boss coming out in yidharis patch is unfreezable.

>>536987240 (OP)
cute!

>>537018924
Oh yeah I totally glossed over the scooter that shit is retarded

>>537018798
Sorry ima retard and just realized I wrote m1 lmao.
Make them all make yixuan m0 with w1.
and make alice m1w0. The weapon is good but her strongest low cost team is alice yuzuha Nicole so the m1 pairs better with Nicole than her weapon.

>>537018750
Pompei, UCC, both priest and fiend

>>537018910
nagi, alice will get a rerun sooner

>>537017560
Reminder to what I said here in what experience I'm specifically talking about:
>>537013284
>>537013469
If you're losing a majority matches in a PvP game because you simply didn't spend enough, you either pay or leave. Wanting to have a fighting chance in more than a handful of matches is equivalent of being "forced" if you actually want to play the game. I do agree you can always quit, but no one said you were being held hostage, I'm talking about the barrier of entry here.

I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing against here because my overarching claim is that whales and f2p can, and should, have different experiences based on how much they pay as long as the differences aren't too egregious. Comparing them to PvP games is not a clean parallel because at the end of the day these games are played for two different reasons

>>537018585
Ellen, Jane, Miyabi and Lycaon are iconic ZZZ designs

>>537018974
damn.
hoyo must hate ice or something cause all their games have enemies that cannot be frozen.
all bosses in genshin except one, cocolia and gepard in hsr and next zzz.
freeze has the most enemies immune to it that other status.

>>537019338
Zzz shouldn't have made freeze also freeze the stun bar.

>>537018910
You have Piper, right?

>>537013932
>cutie
where?

>>537017953

Seed + Nekomata + Nicole

>>537019338
You'd think they would learn by now that maybe having the ice element apply freeze is a mistake for the purposes of balance, given how they keep having to make enemies immune to it.

Maybe just give it a chill (animation slowdown) or weakness or brittleness effect or something.

>>537018587
>Octopus
>Octo > 8
>Got thousands of feelers
Davy Jones is a fraud.

>>537013956
>flops so hard they have to panic buff SAnby

>>537019729
They manufactured the flop by all the nerfs

>>537019313
>If you're losing a majority matches in a PvP game because you simply didn't spend
The majority of players spend very little to nothing unless the game is dead.
>I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing against
I'm arguing that the division of PvE and PvP games is arbitrary and unjustified.

>>537019625
I don't understand this "cost" thing fully, but wouldn't that be a cost 1 team?
Seed is the only limited (cost 2 if she has her sig, and cost 3 if she is m1w1)
Kot is standard and in this team will be using Corin's engine
Nico is an A-rank

>>537019874
Lighter is the absolute metapag character and he flopped (twice)

>>537019685
To be fair, he never calls himself an octopus. He calls himself Davy Jones, and nobody ever said how many tentacles a Davy Jones is supposed to have.

>>537018798
Alice is that good.
If alice could freeze she probably would be the best dps and anomaly by a long shot. Even if it's only one freeze per stun
https://youtu.be/kNleYAJSLXc?si=_TlwD-Dg9p03kSWv

>>537020073
Being run before Miyabi and re-run before Yixuan didn't help.

>>537020124
>two M0W1s and one M1W1
Not impressed

MALDING HOURS

should I roll Alice or Seed or Orphie

>>537020059
S-Rank Agent is one cost
S-Rank Mindscape is one cost
S-Rank Engine is one cost
A-Ranks are zero cost

>>537019514
Right here

>>537020415
Ah, okay
I thought only limited agents and their sig counted as 1 cost

>>537020124
>Trigger
I kinda wish she had her but I can only afford one of either Alice, Trigger or Seed and I don't know which would be the highest value

>>537013581
gays and trans. The usual.

>>537020396
So what's with the nipple screws? Does she, like, pop that yellow rope off to emergency eject from the mech?

>>537020324
You could remove trigger to place Nicole in. It was just to give you an idea.
Here's a 4 cost alice kill then.
https://youtu.be/Qy3-uStf7K0?si=DU2jC3jDVTxdLpfK

>>537018268
Full tentacle lower half, mermaids are already canon so it fits.

>>537020276
Why is it always the before that's taken into account, not the after? People have already spent money on Yi Xuan, for example, so they wouldn't spend money on Ju Fufu or whatever.

>>537020740
Nag people save for yi xuan and then spend for the bis partner jufufu

>>537020740
I thought fufu flopped?

>>537020705
But that mean their mouths is where their pelvis are....

>>537020013
> The majority of players spend very little to nothing unless the game is dead.
This true as we've seen with nearly everything but I also raise to you a majority of PvP games don't monetize their system for easy wins buttons. The fact it would hypothetically exists at all is the problem

> I'm arguing that the division of PvE and PvP games is arbitrary and unjustified.
Okay, but why? What is so arbitrary about it?

>>537020740
Because when people hear that the next SUPER SPECIAL GIGA META character is coming soon - in this case void hunters and pseudo-void hunters (as advertised) - they tend to save as much as possible and may well go deeper on investing in those characters than they would for others.

Also Jufufu's banner did the same as Hugo and Trigger.

>>537020705
>no hammer-wielding scylla nun
Actually, screw the hammer, they could make a great moveset with Yidhari just whipping her tentacles around. In other words:
WE
WERE
ROBBED

>>537020740
Because of the way Hoyo does marketing. Seed isn't even available yet but we already know about the banners after them, not to mention reruns are only revealed during the livestream for the next patch.

That's a lot of priorities to consider when saving and spending, F2P or otherwise. And rolling on reruns tend to be something I've not seen any community recommend because the new shiny is prioritized.

>>537021315
Careful anon, you're going to attract that one guy who insists that having a girl with tentacles actually use her tentacles in animations is pigeonholing the design team.

>>537020496
>>537020968
>posts repulsive slop two more times
So where is the cutie? Is she inside the mech?

>>537021315
Fuck you the hammer stays. Iv been waiting for the pole dancing hammer lady forever.
You aren't taking it away.

>>537020872
top keke

you couldn't count all the npcs that look better than Seed even with two hands

>>537009552
>ZZZ is P2W nowadays.
um nyo

>>537021581
sorry anon, big seed is just a robot, not a mech. there's no space for an occupant

>>537021228
>What is so arbitrary about it?
A game with a high price of entry to play at a high level is no better or worse whether it's PvE or PvP.

OH NO NO NO NO

>>537009552
don't make me link the a rank japtuber

Do you ask Ben to bite his enemies?
Do you ask Lycaon to howl?
Expecting Thirens to use their animal features is deeply racist. You should be ashamed.

>>537021771
I'd rather have playable Rain or General Chop than Seed.

>>537019874
In case of SAnby yes
For Seed they manufactured the flop by ruining the character and tripling down on ruining parts after being shat on instead of scrapping the easily salvaged sloppa and apologising

>>537021771
Your effort are in vain, jeet.
/zzz/ loves Seed. And before you start mass samefagging, yes, we do.

>>537021541
I mean I don't disagree with it.
Being a thiren should just be flavor. Not saying they can use it either but I won't get outraged if they dont

>>537021912
>defending actual AI-made designs
I hate that I share a game with these people.

>>537022245
>>defending actual AI-made designs
nobody is defending HRT tho

when will koleda be good? she can stun enemies the fastest surely she'll be good someday?

>>537021928
Ah yes just grind, get lucky, then unleash your autism. Ignore the fact devs refuse to buff standard characters.

>>537022363
She won't be good because the screwed her on her buffs.
If the gave her lycon tier buffs she would be great

>>537022363
When that ever matters, which is probably
A. Never ever
B. When they release a new S-rank stunner whose gimmick is extra quick stuns