Thread 539211482

Bullying Chaos Edition

>Update 10.0 patch notes:
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>Year 2 Roadmap:
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>Where to get the game:
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>Lore Stuff:
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https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
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Previously on the Battle-Barge: >>538877748

Redpill me on bolt carbine tact

>>539211482 (OP)
>dat fucking jumpscare
DELET

What's are my best options for boss dps as vanguard? Just the carbine?

>>539212142
Carbine, Kraks and Gunstrikes.

>>539212454
Yea, but such thing like the warrior's or other enemies durability in the game also reflect the inconsistency in lore/tabletop game when applied to a video game. Lore/tabletop dictate that warriors are supposed to be a match for a space marines but if they can be taken down with a few bolter shots to center mass, then how the fuck can those niggas with some whip and sword be even close to a match to a space marine in a real time action video game setting.

>>539211978
auspex parry, gunstrike (reload on gunstrike), brr for 0,5seconds, dead majoris.
insane dmg vs helbrute and carnifex, insane damage up close in general, so and so against neuro and thropes, sorta lacking vs enemies that wont melee you.

>>539211978
Carbine fire fast with decent accuracy
Fire fast to head is good DPS
Fast fire rate also build up Tact's prestige headshot bonus very quickly

>play Assault
>Tactical with Aligned Aim
>lvl 1 White Scars Heavy with Mk7 laurel and Heroic Heavy Plasma, obviously cheated via trainer or Cheat Engine
>they both die twice and die to normal Zoanthropes

>>539211978
Headshot variant Heavy bolter is better for trash clear and majoris. M4D + auspex equipment damage perks will let you melt extremis+. Ive levelled every weapon for Tac and I keep coming back to the Heavy Bolter. It just feels too good. Only the Pyre compares and thats only on Inferno, Decap and Exfil.

>>539213318
>>>>>>every weapon for Tac and I keep coming back to the Heavy Bolter

This might be one of the few games where snipers are usually bros

>>539213046
Tyranids either run down their opponent's resources through attrition or they amass such numbers that they just crush their opposition in a sudden massed assault.
A tyranid warrior would aim to have a group of escorting hormagaunts distract or drag down an isolated space marine while he inflicts a killing blow, but tyranids expect to and are supposed to suffer disproportionate casualties if their opposition has a superior position and can maintain its defensive integrity.
Basically, a single devastator should be able to completely shut down their assault for as long as he has ammunition if he forces them down a chokepoint of some kind, you're not getting passed a heavy bolter down a corridor without heavy armor. But he and his squad will be immediately surrounded and torn apart if they're caught out in the open.
Tactics and positioning are things space marines usually use to regularly defeat most of their enemies.

Honestly, melta is also fairly underrated for tact, especially for high difficulty where there are a lot of enemies clumped together.

Fact: Deep Pockets should be the default state of ammo for all guns and all classes

>>539214219
ngl it's all GWs fault. who the fuck thought it's reasonable to replace all bolters with bolt rifles, introduce a heavy bolt rifle, but keep heavy bolter as well.

>>539214630
just press MMB brother.

>>539214812
>if one bolter makes us money we can turn it into 50 different bolters and get 50 times the money

>>539214630
Alternative: every ranged primary class should have access to the same level of ammo economy as the Tactical.

>>539214219
Ok, and? Not sure what youre trying to imply here.

>>539215141
he's implying you're newfag and a tertiary.

>>539214381
Okay, but how do you translate it into real time gameplay? More gun lethality but much less ammo (kinda like vermin tide/dark tide).

>>539215519
Again, the fuck is this meant to imply? Because I said heavy bolter instead of heavy bolt rifle?

Nigger get over yourself.

>>539215798
The opposite. Itd be a fucking TIDE of gaunts with warriors peppered in foe the main force. So much so that say, one section should stress your ammo to its limit or even force you to resort to a secondary to reach the next restock. Think every encounter being massive wave size and massive wave size being 1.5x to 2x.

>>539216053
Yes. You actually learn fast, you're not hopeless.

>>539216253
Okay, but what stopping players from just melee all of the gaut and save ammo for the warrior?

>>539215798
You'd design maps in such a way that if your teamwork is good, you pick your positions well and you correctly prioritize targets, your team guns down everything around. If you do not have these things down you will get flanked or blindsided by a powerful enemy or isolated and killed.
Melee would be for conserving ammo against enemies of strength or numbers that do not necessitate forcing them into a disadvantageous environment or buying time if your position is broken.
Basically, figure out how to do space hulk but not exclusively in a bunch of claustrophobic corridors and you're not terminators.

>>539216489
Thats a death sentence on Lethal+ as it is. If you doubled encounter sizes for nids itd be even worse.

What's stopping it right now is engine limitations. Pure and simple.

>>539216489
If you let a horde of gaunts run up to you and surround you the melee system should be designed in such a way that most of them attack you while you're preoccupied with the ones immediately in front of you.

>>539217273
Which happens. You'll take chip damage the entire time, even if youre constantly swinging.

>>539214398
It was never buffed so it does shit damage in comparsion to the rest.

It should be changed into a long beam that does stupid damage and not some laser shotgun.

>>539217071
what's stopping it right now is that it's not fun
>dude just stay in every room for 30 minutes killing a thousand nidders lmao
awful idea
>but muh loar
no

>>539217423
With fencing you can just parry infinite swarms to death and gain infinite armor while doing so.

>>539214398
its not terrible but he certainly has better options. flamer does the same shit (killing mass) while also having great singletarget damage while also never having to reload.

They should just make some extremis enemies focus more on disabling/supportive abilities instead of them just being bigger damage sponges that rush at you most of the time. Like terminator missiles shouldn't vaguely track you, instead it should be a concentrated barrage on one area that denies it to you. Lictor should use that pinning move more often.

>>539217557
Yea but it is AOE and the damage adds up better than single target weapons when you are hitting 2-4 warrior as well. The shit is instant and stagger so you can get melee in between each shot. Sure, the flame thrower does better dps but you have to wait for start up and you don't get major damage until the burn proc. Flamethrower has a higher commitment which can make you get hit more.

>>539217704
No, its engine limitation. Wave 15+ Hard Siege would be about the size of the average small scale nid force. The engine is fighting for its life at that point as it is.

>>539218039
Sorcerer should buff rubrics and revive them more often and quicker instead of just sending the faggot skulls at you.

>>539214398
The problem is the overlap of role between melta and pyre. Pyre is just better in all ways except it doesnt have instant stagger.

>>539218135
flamethrowers damage is much, much higher. i dont think it correctly shows up in the stats at the end of the mission.
meltas pros are stagger, instant speed and chp recovery. its however dogshit vs terminus´ and zoanthropes. i play melta on vanguard, but i think it needs a buff overall. especially it should get a positive multiplier vs terminus enemies because its supposed to be a tankbuster weapon, yet it is by far the worst weapon to deal with bosses.

>>539218656
kys decinigger

>>539218340
and the chp generation on pyre is pretty ass, while melta is literally a safety net.
but overall yes, pyre is much better.

>>539218656
It doesn't reflect in the stat, I know that. All of the benefits of melta is underrated. Zoanthrope is not a problem just pistol.tnem lol. Terminus is tough yea, but you can go clear majoris/extremist which is like 50% of a terminus battle and let your teammates deal with the terminus. If you have to go in on the terminus, melee/side arm are still on the table

>>539218135
It was never an AoE weapon outside of Space Marine, it was always a bluish white long beam that fucks over big targets.

Even in the original the Meltagun melts Chaos Space Marines and Bloodletters in a shot or two but it only had 15 ammo.

>>539219279
Meanwhile with pyre you can wave clear the escort that spawns with the terminus then turn around and reduce the terminus to ash.

Melta needs a serious damage buff vs extremis+ and honestly, if you really want to give it a clear role to separate it from Pyro, it should be able hardstagger extremis, including breaking biovore guard.

>fuck biovores, they need another counter beyond praying your tac finds and knows how to use kraks/melta.

Also, I am not sure burn damage get benefit from tact parry/gunstrike buff perk and that is substantial portion of damage from flamethrower while melta can take the full advantage of the buff

I died twice to Biovores as an Assault, is Overcharge not working?

I can't seem to do two punches and there is no kamehameha effect.

>>539219953
Do you have Tides of Battle?

>>539219913
There's a lot wrong with burn damage. It isnt even tallied properly, wouldnt shock me that it isnt getting gunstrike buffs.

>>539219953
overcharge is currently bugged and not working.

>>539219279
>All of the benefits of melta is underrated.
i think you are overrating them

>>539220119
>>539220332
Well fuck, at least the mission is easy.

>>539220332
You're telling me my Shield Rush is supposed to do even MORE damage?

Yoooo how to fix camo cloak bug when it wont recharge past 80%? Happens occasionally when cloak-cancelling, had it multiple times now since the poweraxe hotfix.

How the fuck do you really deal with biovores with ranged damage? I can blast the turret while it's burrowed and it takes a retarded amount of punishment to get it into the finisher state, but if I'm too far away it will just wake the fuck up and keep running.

>>539221040
Meltas or kraks. If youre playing Tac vs nids you need to keep a melta or kraks on at all times and if you see a biovore you drop what youre doing to deal with it IMMEDIATELY because you are best suited to doing so.

>>539219279
>AIIIIE STALKER TACT PREASU CARRY ME
deciniggers everyone

>>539221040
Always shoot the turret and not the head

>>539221354
>>539221040
Any Tactical not taking Secure Supplies should be an autokick regardless of difficulty.

Anyone with Aligned Aim or Contested Health needs to be sent back to their own Battle barge.

>>539223368
For siege? Yes.
Vs Nids? Yes
Vs chaos? Debatable. Stockpile is less valuable vs Chaos just because you get less milage out of most grenade types with Meltas being near useless outside niche scenarios. Id almost argue the CH perk vs Chaos will get more mileage.

>>539221040
>but if I'm too far away it will just wake the fuck up and keep running.
yeah, that's just it. close the range, play simon says and it's dead in no time.

>>539223368
Nah, fuck you. How bout you relying on nade spam as a crutch lulmeow
I WILL pick Aligned Aim and I will top the scoreboards and everything in my sights cuckboi
You just stay back and watch. Remember to say thank you for the free carry.

30 minutes left on the sale. should i cop?

>>539224127
Meltas instakill chaos sorcs and downstate terminators. Also packs of chigger spawns. Kraks are good for sorcerers too. Shock is great at slowing down every type of enemy to a crawl, zoning, throwing one into an ally that is surrounded and struggling.

I don't think it's debatable at all.

>>539224127
Meltas and kraks are universal, they are never out of style.

>>539224652
Nah fuck you, I'll just switch to my properly built Tactical and camp on the Launch Bay until you leave.

>>539225591
>using meltas vs sorcs instead of kraks

Shocks are only good against portal spawns and even then Chaos spawns and terminators will just walk out. Kraks are only good against sorcs, scarabs and helbrutes. Meltas are not super useful against any Chaos because of how hypermobile so many of them are. Frags are basically just for the stagger.

Stockpile mileage is significantly reduced vs Chaos and thats okay. The CHP perk blunts the retardation of spawns and let's you recover from getting blindsided by minigun scarabs way easier.

Will the omnissian axe be the true class restricted melee weapon for the techmarine now that the Bulwark can use the thunder hammer?

>>539227114
No

Tactical will get it because IHnigger ones use them as well :)

>>539225718
>WAHHHH I CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT MY CONSTANT SHOCK NADE SPAM NOOOOOO
We found him boys, the skill issue shitter.

Why is leg armor in this game such an ignored wash?

>If it wasn't for the Champion skins getting cut apart, the game would have literally seen zero leg armor additions since the Space Wolves DLC pack
>Nothing has ever been given out for free for the legs

It's gay and dumb, 50% of your fucking Space Marine is legs, so you end up with this horrible visual problem where everything below the waist looks naked.

>there's a guy in my normal siege that is level 1 assault with default look
>he just got the game
>he is going to get gaped

>>539229201
it's normal siege mode
ya'll are just unlocking colors calm down

>>539229201
>join siege already in progress
>wave 2
>see teammate with no team perk
>already has mortal wound
>return to battle barge

>>539228514
I feel like they don't like giving Tac melee weapons cause they want him to be one of the "ranged" focused classes, like sniper and heavy. As apposed to the melee focused ones like assault, vanguard, and bulwark.
Which sucks. He should be a jack of all trades that can at least use everything but the really specialist shit, like heavy's primaries or the power fist.

>>539229168
1 year and we still don't have an undamaged Mk10 armour, every part is different.

Surprised Gays Workshop approved of this since when you buy a Spess Mehreen Intercessor box 8 out of 10 of those Mehreens have undamaged, generic Tacticus armour while 2 are sergeants who are barely adorned with doodads.

>>539229965
>and heavy

>>539230158
Oh yeah, I forgot Saber wants heavy to be a melee class now.

>>539229168
You got the flame and lower leg paint patterns. And you're getting a "death or glory" left leg twitch drop soon. It looks pretty good.

Trying to clear weekly strategem on hard. Looking for ppl. Please help, pubs are absolutely horrible.

I'm running heavy with melta, can bulwark as well if needed

steam://joinlobby/2183900/109775243978508182/76561198003461754

>>539221040
Whenever I see a biovore I just let my team deal with it

So how's the blue shekel farming going for you, anons?

>>539232225
No gold trim on the kneeplate though
Does it at least go on both legs?

>>539232647
hue hue hue

>>539232647
15k, I think I'm good.

>>539232881
just left leg, but it's for every class

>>539232258
Load up Space Marine 2
Press Y once loaded into your battle barge
Post the code in there in here
Also this week's stratagem is pisseasy

>>539234215
Cheers anon

Q4AKC

>>539234215
You better join him and post the victory screen then

>>539234518
I'm shitting right now.
Give me a minute if you're not full yet.

>>539232225
We're gonna need at least another ten leg parts each for there to be any parity between the chest and and arms.

>>539236304
Nah, I'd rather they added more pauldrons, tabards/loincloths, helmets, chests and backpack ornaments. In that order. Legs are the least interesting and popping part of a marine.

>>539232647
KKKKKKKKKKKKK

Power armor shouldn't be damaged by single lasgun shots and single minoris gaunt shots. Why the fuck is this a thing.

I thought the power axe was just low damage and a small hit radius
But that's not the worst part of it
You can't animation cancel and it's animations are LONG AS FUCK
Cannot kill a lethal enraged sniper nid,
Who designed this fucking weapon

>>539236779
>tabards
Like the one on the DA champion breastplate that loses it if you equip the breastplate on any class including bulwark?

>>539236779
>Legs are the least interesting and popping part of a marine.
Because there are no cosmetics.

It looks like shit when nothing is on the legs and everything is on top.

>>539239949
At least it gets rid of Tactical's fanny packs, but not assault's for some reason. But the pristine aquila does get rid of HALF of assault's fannypacks, but doesn't get rid of any of tac's, also for some reason...
Such frustrating customization.

>>539232258
GGs!

Fun time

>>539240516
Sorry for dropping the sneed, I didn't know HT rushes are one hit KOs now.

>level 6 vanguard goes down halfway through ballistic engine strategem
>max prestige assaultard goes down trying to save him
>they both rage quit when I get stun locked by lictor and ravener and neurothrope wave and downed
>bots get me up
>finish the rest of the mission until a true son of guilliman valius rp'er appears right at the elevator
>handedly finish the mission
lol @ ragequitting retards

>>539239604
It's a perfect parry stick.
Also just chain light > heavy so you don't do the really long spinning attack animation.

>>539240516
>bt, salamander, braven
meme thunderhawk

>>539239604
>enraged sniper nids
Fuck these. I'd rather fight literally any type of extremis or terminus.
Those fuckers and the enraged devourers are such bullshit. I don't even melee them at all anymore. Just try to headshot the shit out of them so you can dodge their nuke blasts reliably without getting stuck in a melee attack animation.
Most of the power of your melee comes from the ability to instantly stagger the shit out of what's in front of you.

>>539229201
So turns out he just unlocked the operation battle barge thing, ignored campaign and went straight into normal siege, he went down and died so many times but looks like he was having fun. Carried him up to 10 but he chose to dip.

Probably the absolute worst way to get introduced to the game is chaos spawn spam in siege.

>>539216053
reddit spacing

>>539219418
Well, now the Rogue Trader CRPG also treats melta as close range wide angle weapon. I don't know if it is a modern trend or just a coincidence.

>>539241176
I hate it

When I ground pound I usually autoexecute or the enemy is in red

With the axe I have to swing a bit more

I already use Balanced, imagine actually using Fencing with -3 damage

>>539241261
>So turns out he just unlocked the operation battle barge thing, ignored campaign
Nice. Wish my friends did that.
>and went straight into normal siege
Not smart, but I don't blame him. Siege is endgame content for sure, even normal, and Saber doesn't do a good job of telling you that. It should have a level 25 recommendation warning like lethal+ operations at least.

>>539229168
And they definitely dropped the ball with the White Scars pack. They’re supposed to have more leg patterns to show which Company they belong too, but you can only play as 1st/4th Company, and only on a few specific classes that let you equip the WS Champion leg.

>>539229965
They should add a jumppack-with-ranged-weapon class and then it would be a balanced 3 melee, 3 ranged and 1 tactical.

>>539243629
And 10th Company, but that’s really lame.

>>539242465
I use the fencing axe. Feels pretty good now after they buffed it.
You just stunlock everything around you with whirl slashes until something tries to melee or lunge you through them, and then you invincibly shit all over them with power backsteps combined with your super gunstrikes.

>>539243629
Those are only for squad sergeants. Can you imagine what would happen if someone tried to order the other two players around?

>>539240516
good, now the /sm2g/-can't-do-absolute faggot can go to hell

>>539244107
???

>>539244036
>can you imagine
I endured a bong who tried to roleplay a squad leader for 5 minutes, people like that really exist.

>>539244036
So? We can make Sergeants for the other Chapters.

>>539244334
there's that guy who occasionally posts that there are no codes post itt anymore because nobody here can actually clear absolute/hard sieges/hard strategems.

>>539243729
>class all about hovering out of most attacks' range and pot shotting everything safely from orbit
Would instantly be the shitter class for retards and pussies that scrubs would gravitate towards until the servers shut down, but could be fun.

I'm in the camp that says Absolute isn't spawning bosses as frequently as I had hoped.

>>539243629
Yeah but only like 3 people play white scars in the world so who the fuck cares. Many actually relevant chapters have it worse.

>>539244570
>>539244107
Does not count, this week's stratagem is nowhere near Hard.

>>539245096
fuck you & see you next week then

>>539245289
Can't wait for next week to be Vortex with darkness, only 1 armor, increased majoris, and abilities only recharging from kills.

FLESH BOUND MEDDLERS

raj is back

>>539245605
>vortex
>66% health
>one guy takes all the damage
>mission timed for kills
>shadow of the warp
>more ammo
>guardsmen appear

>Deathwatch shoulder with the green wreath from the fancy new store is Gravis-pattern
>Left Deathwatch shoulder from the base game is Tacticus-pattern
OH MY FUCKING GOD GET SOME CONSISTENCY

>>539246765
what makes it deathwatch

>>539244751
If I play an absolute inferno right now, I can guarantee you there'll be a fucking neurothrope spawn directly after where the path forks next to some wreckage that the sneed spawns at sometimes.

>>539246890
The Tacticus and Gravis chests are 100% Deathwatch. Chains, the circular chest ornament the mantra of the Space Marines upon initiation. The shoulder continues the theme with the rest of the mantra, the Tacticus chest has two lines, the shoulder has the third. Makes sense for it to tie into that part, but the only classes that can wear it without it looking stupid is Bulwark and Heavy, the former using up-armored shoulders like some Tacticus-Gravis midpoint.

>>539241312
>t. newfag

>>539249938
Obsessed

>>539246765
The greem wreath one is not Gravis, it has the proportions of the bladeguard pauldrons.