Thread 542067907

SNAP edition

Store links:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1030300/Hollow_Knight_Silksong
https://store.steampowered.com/app/367520/Hollow_Knight

Interactive Map:
https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloom
Game Save Analyzer / Tacker:
https://silksong-completion.info/

Old: >>541779447

shaw

I can feel that Wanderer is the way I'm going to beat this bitch cause the attack speed and the massive silk regen it gives you are too good
I've tried reaper, architect, beast, none were working as well as wanderer does and the funny part is this is my first time in the whole game using wanderer ever since I ditched it for reaper ages ago
But I should maybe go back and buy multibinder for better healing

>>542068341
Embrace the Multibinder/Quickbind Wanderer experience. Smash the basic attack and occasionally parry flurries but mostly eat shit and take damage unnecessarily. Then jump up in the air and heal for 4 and get all the silk back within 5 seconds.

Don't forget your magnetite dice so you can enable even more poor play due to its occasional un-crits which nullifies all damage.

fromdrones could be here

Courier quests could be here.

Tried to climb Mount Fay and I've reached a brick wall. It's simply too difficult and unforgiving. I feel wrong installing cheats to go past it but if I don't I'm just going to quit the game. I really like this game but this part is simply too hard. I'm locked out of the rest of the game because I'm not able to do frame-perfect platforming on a 20 second timer. It's fucking over

>>542069105
That's what I've been doing but without the multibinder and quickbind
Before this I was using architect and saving all my tools to cheese her like a faggot in the last phase but I wasn't getting nearly enough silk for healing and I've reached the point where I don't even need to spam tools at her all the time, it's almost like I'm getting less shit at this fight
Clawline works wonders too except when she parries it

Any builds for the last portions of P5 in Hollow Knight? For the first portions I run str + shaman + quick slash but I feel super aggression isn't as effective against the harder bosses. In particular anything that makes Markoth less of a pain but doesn't suck for NKG would be nice.

>>542069429
Anon I was mentally in the same place you are right now, but eventually I beat it. If it's any consolation it's only hard the first time cause once you get the double jump cloak it's much easier to climb plus you don't freeze to death anymore
And anyway sands of karak is worse :^)

>>542069631
I can't disable the clawmaiden spawns without the double jump so I'm basically forced to do this repetitive shit over and over again. I'm not enjoying it at all and I guess if the rest of the game is this hard I might as well quit now because I won't enjoy it anyway.

>>542069803
Mount Fay is probably among the 3 hardest platforming challenges in the game and strictly speaking one of the other two isn't mandatory to reach the end of the game
You can do it anon

>>542069465
Wanderers real strength is probably just getting in extra hits when openings present themselves compared to other crests. You can be a YOLO'ing retard or be defensive and still have good damage and silk gen.

The extra mask from multibinder doesn't seem like much initially, but it essentially turns unequal exchanges into fair trades when fights are full of 2mask damage attacks. Quickbind is just there to help stop you from being punished or use openings more efficiently.

>>542070128
desu I only ever heal by double jumping off the wall and out of her reach so I don't really need it to be a quick heal, the only thing that can damage me up there is the void fireballs she spawns if I don't time it correctly

>>542070029
>Mount Fay is probably among the 3 hardest platforming challenges in the game
How many are there? 4? Suface Climb, Cogworks Core, Mount Fay, Sands Karak(?)

>>542070128
Quickbind is fantastic. When there is a heal window, you can get out, heal, and go back in to do some damage or reposition before next attack even starts.

>>542070889
Yeah
I guess some people count abyss escape too since the rising magma adds a lot of pressure

Hey can I ask for help without spoilers?
I have only two missing ingredients for the food guy: the nut and the pickled muckmeat.
I haven't yet fought whoever the boss is of the Citadel.
Do I need to unlock a double jump or something before I can get the last two ingredients? Or are they accessible right now, and I'm just dumb.
I've searched all over the blasted wastes as well as the sinners road for the ingredients, but found nothing except for two spots that are too high up for me to currently reach via jumping.

>>542072391
You can access those spots before ascending the citadel. You need an upgrade but you're able to acquire it right now.

>>542072391
Go get double jump, yes.
It'll be hard but worth it

Damn 40 tries on Lost Lace. Most of them i was extremely sleep deprived but still im glad lost lace was the strongest boss i faced. Ending was absolute cinema. Now time to 100% everything. Oh and my favourite boss was Carmelita

Man, I thought the craggler would have dropped more than a single organ.

Can I get a hint for this fucking flea?

>>542075830
You need to come up from the bottom. The bottom right, not the bottom left.

>>542072541
>>542072642
Oh fuck, I thought I had scoured the map up till this point, but I guess I missed something big.

I went to grab the last skill i need where the fuck did i wander off to

About to start playing druk as fuck. Strapping in for a kino rage-inducing experience.

Wish me luck bros.

Faggot Heart, and then Crusty Kang.

>>542080331
faggot heart took me 7 times to beat on my first playthrough it was hard to figure out their tempo for some reason. The runbacks were NOT enjoyable

>>542080501
I am anything if not persistent.

I may end up passing out before I beat them though, unless I lock in in a druk trance.

>>542079138
You're close. Leave the platforming area, and head back to where the map is marked. you'll find the arm of Grand Mother Silk on top of a big rock.

>>542079138
Make sure you open the shortcut so you don't have to do it again.

>>542080940
why is something more up there? i found a memento and thats it (journal entry too i guess)

>>542081295
Mr Mushroom quest later

>>542087075
baby Hornet?

>doing the speedrunner achievement
>actually got the red quill
lol

>>542093524
i thought his antenna were a poorly sized speech bubble in the second panel

worst enemy in the game so far

Can you "avoid" the Groal fight?
I've spent a good chunk of the night attempting it and it's just putting me in a bad mood.
The fucking maggots might be one of the most obnoxious mechanics ever put in a game.

>>542095183
you can, look it up and do it right now before it gets patched next update

>>542092014
>not getting the purple quill
BRICKED

I'm getting the snail items for what I assume is act 3, but I also have a tiny screaming baby. I forget where the guy who won't open his door is and I don't want to lock myself out of any endings or content, could anyone vaguely tell me what I should or shouldn't do before completing the thing for act 3?

>got to Abs Rad final phase
>got pushed into the abyss after a bad teleport
What sucks the most isn't even dying to that it's having to do the whole fucking thing over again.

> didn't mark areas of interest that I need x power for when I found them in HK
> having to reexplore areas to find breakable floors etc

>>542100035
There's an online map that shows all shortcuts and what abilities are needed for each with icons so you can find all of them. Also as someone who was in your position not too long ago, there aren't that many breakable floors and most of them don't have much of interest.

>>542099565
>a tiny screaming baby
Before you start Act 3, go to Shellwood and talk to greywood. Then fight GMS
Then find the doctor in Greymoor

>>542100035
the worst part is that you aren't sure if you need a skill for that area, or what the skill might possibly be, and it's not always obvious so the only way to 100% get all of them is to play the entire game again :)

>>542100181
Yeah but the online maps show the whole map right? I don't want to see it yet, still going through my first play through

>See a flash of the shade creature in the act 3 ending for silksong
so embrace the void / delicate flower are the canon endings? That's retarded
what happens to the hollow knight then

>>542100365
GMS wasn't terrible but I don't want to fight her again... but alright, thank you. Also any vague pointers about where to find the witch and shaman crests? I still haven't found them.

>>542100934
Hes Knight not the Hollow Knight

>>542100365
>>542101165
Wait, the fight doesn't get harder because of this, does it?

>>542101165
You're going to fight her about 2 more times. One after you talk to greyroot and another to get into Act 3
>Also any vague pointers about where to find the witch and shaman crests?
You're on the right track for one of them, and don't worry about the other for now

>>542101332
>the fight doesn't get harder because of this, does it?
That's entirely dependent on you. But yes

>>542101231
Yeah
you can see the hollow knight dude meet hornet at the end of those endings
not knight, hollow knight. cured after radiance is gone.

>>542101231
He means THK, not the Ghost

>>542101351
Frick
>>542101445
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And this is just for an optional ending with zero rewards I could have just gotten locked out of if I crawled into act 3??

>>542100934
>That's retarded
What, were you hoping that they'd reveal that Silksong was all a dream and that the true ending is Sealed Siblings?
>what happens to the hollow knight then
Deliberately ambiguous.

>>542101649
>And this is just for an optional ending with zero rewards I could have just gotten locked out of if I crawled into act 3??
Yes. there's literally no way to get it once you go into Act 3. You'll understand later

>>542101730
I am so sad

>>542101791
There there

>>542067907 (OP)
>find the first sinner at the end of act 2
>easy as shit retread of weaver
>beat it first time
>look online
>"He's so FAIR". "He's so WELL DESIGNED" "They went ALL OUT for this one"
Do people just glaze any easy humanoid boss

>>542102102
>any easy humanoid boss
first sinner is like the only boss in the game that has a reasonable amount of HP and his attacks aren't bullshit because you've already beat widow and can recognize 90% of them

>>542102430
They reskinned a great boss, made his moveset easier, chucked more hp onto him and stuck him at the end of act 2 and people seem to act like he's superb design and not a victory lap.

>>542101897
Thank you...

>>542102102
So are you retarded or something?

>>542093524
This comic lies. He wasn’t grateful at all for being freed from jail. He was a smugly indifferent green dick.
>you are what you eat

>>542101897
Radiant Shakra is going to make people rage harder than Markoth ever did.

>>542101351
>>542101445
>>542101897
Ok I got the thing, neat moveset but I can't equip any of the things that the entire game kept teaching me to actually use
So bizarre

>>542102102
First Sinner is a good boss though

>>542102102
>>542102874
Are you trolling or do you actually think First Sinner, a member of an entirely female race wearing a dress, is a dude?

>>542107720
>a member of an entirely female race wearing a dress
Wearing a dress that they stitched up the moment they got free. I swear at least a third of her fans are because of her doing that.

>>542100934
Dream No More is just as canon, dont let any P5 slurpers tell you otherwise.

>>542107863
She wanted to be comfy and look good after hundreds of years being locked up, I can respect it.

>>542107720
I wasn't thinking about the sinner's pronouns too hard while typing considering its a bug but yes, they are very clearly female.
>>542107581
It's a good fight on the basis of being reskinned weaver alone. but its hard for me not to be disappointed rolling through it on first try and even harder not to rag on it when most of the positive praise for the boss comes down to it being easier than other bosses for the point you fight it.

>>542110234
and yes before you get on my case I mean widow when I say reskinned weaver

>>542110234
>it being easier than other bosses for the point you fight it.
What act 2 bosses do you think are harder than First Sinner?

>>542110514
Beastfly 2, trobbio, lugosi, Groal, raging conchfly, lace, father of the flame (lmao). Can't comment on Shakra and Garmond as i've been locked out from them.
Honestly, the only boss that stands out as easier to me is GMS

>>542111114
Thats a crazy take but different strokes for different folks I guess, half of those are super easy fights.

>>542108047
A weaver weaving a perfect dress in an instant is such a good power flex.

>>542111656
Yeah its a good power move to pull immediately after your ancient chains are unbound. Kind of crazy to imagine GMS had a whole army of these battle mages at her disposal. No wonder she conquered all of Pharloom.

>>542068341
Hunter is better

>>542095183
Groal is unnecessary for a normal Act 2 ending.

>>542111279
The only ones who i'd consider actively difficult were beastfly 2 and groal and that's because I rolled into them with only the act 1 pale oil which matters a lot for their fights. Other bosses just by default had at least a single death but i'm not out here calling lugosi or father of the flame difficult.

>>542067907 (OP)
Did any of you manage to stay spoiler-free during the first few days?

>>542113372
I did until the game started feeling like utter fucking bullshit

>>542113372
I got the abyss spoiled but I didnt believe it was real so it worked out.

>>542113372
It was barely five hours after Silksong had come out, and I opened youtube and one of the very first things I saw was that somebody already uploaded the true ending cutscene with a spoiler heavy title and thumbnail in all caps.

Imagine Silksong DLC... but it's Hollow Knight Act 2, Embrace The Void's continuation where Hallownest is fucked up by the void.

>>542113216
>were beastfly 2
Just don't accept that quest before you have two pale oil nail upgrades. It's easier than Act 1 Beastifly 1 with Reaper.

>>542113835
Its completely fine with just one upgrade once you realize threadstorm instakills the adds.

>>542113372
I was spoiled on the existence of act 3, as well as the void and the Knight/Shade Lord returning on day 2. Don't know how people got through the game that fucking fast, or if they just dug through the files or something.

>>542113936
>as well as the void
Literally the trailer shows it. I dunno how can you be unaware of it.
>>542113372
I was spoiled pretty quickly, but during first few days (Act 1) I stayed pretty spoiler-less.

>>542113883
>threadstorm
I heard the rumor that they're gonna nerf it. Is it true? I'm glad I played on Release version/First Patch. Current version sounds like it sucks ass.

>>542069429
I'd bet my left testicle you didn't play hollow knight if this platforming is filtering you. Clearly this game isn't for you. You clearly don't like the game either. Just because your friends like it doesn't mean you have to, tranny.

>>542114237
Its already nerfed in the public beta and still strong so its not really an issue. The game is better than it was at launch purely for the environmental damage nerf, improved economy and fixed drop rates.

>>542113883
I had threadstorm but everything went to shit whet he'd summon two adds at the same time on opposite ends of the screen so i wouldn't have enough silk to send them to mozambique. Bilewater with one pale oil is just insufferable as a whole.

>>542113372
I was spoiled on the act 3 ending like 2 hours after Silksong came out, but other than that, everything else was spoiler-free.

>>542114379
Come on, we all felt this way one way or another while playing this game. Those feelings are temporary.

>>542114405
>environmental damage nerf, improved economy and fixed drop rates
That was all the first patch. It's all downhill from there

>>542115680
I never felt that way during this game, not once. Never had the inkling to cheat. I've had instances where I said "this will take a while, so I'm going to schedule it for when I have more time". I enjoy this game so much I'm going for 100% achievements. I'm on act 1 of my steel soul run right now. I genuinely love this game.

If you're saying you enjoy a game while cheating to do a task that you cannot beat on your own, you don't enjoy the game. This isn't even that hard of a part of the game. He's clearly a filthy casual who never played HK, picked up SS because it's popular and is a whiny bitch. And because enough faggots like him exist, devs opted to nerf easy bosses.

>>542074054
Don't forget to return and slaughter his kids too.

>>542116246
I meant the rage and complains. I never felt the need for cheats (I did want a mod that removes HUD/vignette, but that's for unrelated plans).
But I cheated even in multiplier games 10 years ago (it was hilarious, ngl), so I can't exactly judge him.

>>542116550
Multiplayer game cheating is different, because your enjoyment comes from trolling others. Cheating in a single player game and claiming you enjoy it just doesn't make sense.

>>542068341
>run to the other side of the room to avoid attack
>she teleports right in front of you
>take 2 damage

Flopsong
Basedsilk
Forgottensong
Silkbomb

>>542121685
Why do you care about damage? Are you trying to beat her hitless?

>>542122297
because i take 2 damage to RNG bullshit

>>542117880
Even if it's an obvious scam, who the fuck still buys game guide books in the Year of our Lord 2000 + 25? Wikis made them obsolete.

>>542124539
I dunno about game guides, but a physical artbook or "the making of" would be very nice.

first few attempts at LL
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GARBAGE FIGHT WHAT IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM THIS IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE FUCK YOU
current attempts at LL (even tho still dying)
>HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE BEST BOSSFIGHT MY DICK IS SO HARD GIVE ME MORE

is this what gitting gud feels like?

>>542121685
Don't run around like a headless chicken.

Started a new HK playthrough and going through Crossroads already felt more soulful. Exploring and accidentally stumbling upon either Gruz Mother or False Knight feels much better than being railroaded into Moss Mother.

>>542125050
No, it's Stockholm Syndrome.

>>542127484
That's possible too
I'm not saying the fight isn't bullshit because some parts of it definitely are but at least now I'm not getting actually angry every time I die

>>542127335
it's crazy how they clearly put so much work into ss and yet so many things feel like a step backward, the game is completely linear until the end of act 1 pretty much

>>542128146
Silksong is a massively bigger game, if they afforded players the same non linear freedom of exploration at the beginning 90% of people would get lost and bitch on reddit about how they have no idea where to go

>>542128672
I'm pretty sure this still happened, despite their attempts to railroad the beginning

Just got the "Made Someone Mad For Jokingly Commenting On How Similar Hornet Is To The Pale King" award.

>>542129319
wait pale king is her father?

>first game is a clear copy of Souls
>fandom is an amalgamation of the worst aspects of the Souls fandom
It's a sight to behold.

>>542127484
Stockholm syndrome doesn't mean what you think it means.

>bell projectile bounces on a cogfly back to the guy and kills him
cogflies are your best buddies

>>542129319
why would someone get mad over that did they gloss over the dialogue where she straight up says she realized his plan wasn't that bad because they had no better options?

>every single crest in the game has two (or more) blue tool slots
>except one
>blue tools are the most powerful, and most capable of changing your play style by making new strategies viable
>blue tools are fun to find and are a good reward for exploration
>except if you use this one crest, inexplicably

They must've found some oppressive balancing issues regarding bind speed, else I can't understand the reason why this crest has so few tool slots, with no real upside.

>>542129491
souls and metroidvania fandom

>>542129596
>with no real upside
??

>>542129491
>no character creation
>no RPG leveling and stats
>a single weapon, no equippable armors
>there is an actual story and the game tells it to you
>combat not designed around rolling or parrying
>heavy on platforming
Just because you lose your cash on death doesn't mean it's a soulslike, anon

>>542129706
ah, all you had to say was
>tumblr
still, hilariously poor levels of reading comprehension

>>542129703
soulslike basically means the game has corpse runback mechanic in today's zeitgeist

>>542129414
Did you not read through the game? Widow explicitly states she's spawn of Weaver and Wyrm. Hornet herself explains it in the first game after killing Herrah.

>>542129414
Play the first game.

>>542129703
>>there is an actual story and the game tells it to you

Let's not pretend the first game is much different from Dark Souls 1 in that aspect

>>542129682
What's the upside from being tool-less?
Every other crest has an upside apart from having more blue slots. What makes beast crest worth the huge drawback that is absent in say, wanderer or architect?

Weaver queen > sister of the void

>>542129703
>combat not designed around rolling or parrying
it absolutely is if you think of dash as hk's equivalent of rolling. parrying is rare but becomes relevant for lategame bosses like nkg.

reminder that silksong has over triple the players within a month than hk ever had. this means only 1 in 3 silksong players has played through hk. let that sink in, for the next time some fuckwit complains about the difficulty, doesn't understand basic lore, and calls it a soulslike

>>542130227
Even in Silksong how many people reach GMS without understanding what fuck is her deal?

>>542130396
I played hk and did all those things for ss

>>542130508
post playtime in hk, playtime in ss and # achievements in both

>>542130396
>reminder that silksong has over triple the players within a month than hk ever had.
?? where are you getting this statistic? HK sold 15 million copies and silksong has sold 6 million so far.

>>542130392
DS rolling is all about invulnerability frames. In HK until you get shade dash and in SS dashing is more of a spacing tool. And even with shade dash avoiding enemy attacks is more about good positioning instead of timing your invincibility button right

>>542130618
be sure to subtract the players who purchased hollow knight within a month of silksong's release (i.e. since august)

>>542130618
also, don't forget this. you see that uptick of hk players?
https://steamdb.info/charts/?compare=367520,1030300

>>542129703
You are a disingenuous little fucker or outright blind if you cannot see the extremely clear parallels between HK and Souls. For fuck's sake anon, you find a Havel bug early on and the HK/PV is literally your standard final Souls boss.
>they story is told to you
In pieces, over conversations with multiple NPCs and from contextual clues, exactly like in Souls.

i'll be real with you anons I did not understand ss or hk story by playing the game alone, I watched lore videos after playing

>>542131404
forgat image

>>542129703
>>there is an actual story and the game tells it to you
To be fair, in the original HK "an actual story" only starts many-many hours into the game. Until then people might be fooled and think it's environmental storytelling only.

Show me some bare feets then

>>542131654
do you realize that those are players who have the game open at the same time? this is only important for online games basically

>>542132898
anon, go to the store page on steam for hollow knight. read the first two reviews you see. hopefully that clears things up.

>>542131654
god damn these "people" just cannot miss the latest trend huh

The flea juggling minigame is a perfect example of why I don't like Silksong very much. It could have just been a fun little juggling minigame. It could have just been some fun side thing to get extra rosaries or something.

Nope. It's a hell-nightmare guantlet with RNG galore, preventing you from getting the max damage for your nail. Just like the rest of the game. How many points do I need to get the pale oil anyway?

>>542132898
>have the game open at the same time?
Are you retarded? Those are obviously two screenshots of the two game statistics independently.

>>542133172
If only there were a scoreboard to check, literally a two second run away in fleatopia. Also, stop jumping you retard. Once again these are the MFs whining about this game lmao

>>542132981
check the owner estimations in the link you posted

>>542132032
Even many hours in the game the most story there is is an NPC telling you that ~~Lord Gwyn~~The Pale King sealed ~~darkness~~ the infection to stave off the end of his kingdom, but that seal is coming undone, so you have to defeat ~~the old lords~~ the dreamers to reach the ~~Kiln of the first flame~~ Black Egg , defeat the previous guardian and sacrifice yourself to become the new seal.

>>542133581
And now I look like an idiot because I thought you could do strikethrough text on 4chan

only took about a dozen tries

Is the second Savage Beastfly fight i.e the Far Fields lava one that's a quest, only triggerable if you've done the first Savage Beastfly?

Reason I ask is that I can't understand the people who complain about struggling with Savage Beastfly 2.0. It's the same boss. It's... the same. If you learned to beat the first one, you already know how to beat the second one. I'm wondering if these people chose not to do Beastfly 1.0 and the quest was their first exposure to it. That's the only explanation I've been able to come up with.

the problem with TC is they dont understand the difference between hard and punishing and why one is enjoyable and the other isnt

>>542134016
I enjoyed all of silksong. It was punishing, not hard. Not a single boss felt unfair.

>>542134002
I beat them in order and yes I complained about both

I struggled a lot at the beginning but somewhere in the middle of Act 2 between Groal and First Sinner something clicked and until now (I am doing the three hearts quest) everything has been enjoyable and a lot easier

>>542134086
>It was punishing, not hard
this is exactly what it makes it antifun

>>542134305
so what you're saying is you're bad at the game

>>542133172
>RNG galore
i can consistently get to the point of juggling 4 fleas at once and didn't have to crutch on shaman. the real rng galore is dodge.

>>542134627
you have no inner monologue

>>542134002
Beastfly 2 is even easier. Not only you have more upgrades, but also the adds are way simpler.

>>542134824
punishing = you fucked up and were punished for your mistake
hard = playing against unfair odds
both games are punishing, not hard

>>542134305
Then why did I find it fun?

>>542136501
That's not really how most people use these words

>difficulty enjoyer (SS)
vs
>comfy enjoyer (HK)

>>542137532
yes, most people are retarded. those are the only definitions

>>542137754
When I played HK I wasn't a difficulty enjoyer: I remember that I cheesed Nosk and probably some other bosses too. I didn't do PoP at the time (though did many years later) and I didn't bother with any bindings in Godhome.

But then with SS I enjoyed all the difficulties. I enjoyed trying to get a hang of the janky diagonal pogo in Hunter's March. I enjoyed dying to bosses, learning and eventually dominating them rather than squeaking through. I think I wanted to get the most out of the game. My completion time was like 82 or 83 hours, took my time.

>>542138245
>My completion time was like 82 or 83 hours
Game time or steam time? My save file says 70 hours but steam says 91

>>542138114
Being a contrarian is not a sign of intelligence

>>542138597
Game time. I play on Switch Lite so that's all I have to go off of. I don't really play a lot of games.

Welp, I just finished basically all the side content, and I'm ready to face the real final boss. About 45 hours in and... I'm not actually sure how much of this game I even enjoyed. I adore the first one to high heaven and have fun with it the entire way through, but Silksong? I'm not sure when it started, but I just realized I've been just forcing my way through it simply so I can say I finished it. I think it might have been act 3 in general that burnt me out. Not sure.

>>542140162
Nobody is forcing you to play.

>>542140276
Anon, your reading comprehension just flew over your head. I said -I'M- forcing myself.

Does oil really make a blade sharper? Also am I stupid, or is it kinda hard to tell what Plinney is doing every time you upgrade your nail? What's with the little hair he flicks off?

FINALLY
And unironically it wasn't even that hard after so many deaths lmao
Funny that the killing blow should be a clawline hit, clawline is based as fuck in this fight
I think I'm gonna install some mod that lets me rematch bosses now

>>542140162
While I was playing it, I was reading all these comments from people saying it becomes shit after you get into Act 3, they weren't enjoying it etc and I thought "nah that won't be me haha I'm having too much fun playing Acts 1 and 2!". But then when I got there, I felt it too.

It's not to say that there weren't moments in Act 3 that I enjoyed. I liked Coral Tower, Karmelita, Sister of the Void stuff. But whereas 1 & 2 felt cohesive and full of momentum, Act 3 felt a bit tacked on and disjointed. It's little discrete snippets that don't feel particularly earned or joined up. It's hard to describe. But I think the fact that so many people have an off feeling about Act 3 compared to the first two lends credence to the idea that it's not imagined, somehow many people are coming to the same conclusion on their own.

>>542141165
Oil protects a sword from rust, corrosion and in general keep it sharper longer. Plinney is cleaning the blade, sharpening it and applying proper care so that it cuts better but more importantly it keeps cutting even after being used a few times and being drenched in blood and ichor.

The little hair is more to show how he is being obsessively precise in doing that, as he manually remove even a single hair being left on the blade.

good god Unravelled without 3 needle upgrades/double jump is a complete pain in the ass, I'm finding
Also without more tools. I whiped the floor with him on my first playthrough.

>>542141462
I like the feeling of dread and how every NPC goes full doomer in act 3, it's cool seeing their different reactions to the impending end of the world
I don't like that there's only 2 new areas and both of them feel very half assed like they were intended to be much bigger and with more things to do in them

>>542141165
It shows him honing the blade.

Also pale oil is some special stuff, almost magical

Decided to watch playthroughs of Silksong since I got every achievement now, and there's a surprising amount of people who only attack through pogoing and no other way, no wonder the Wanderer's crest is the most popular crest by far.

>>542142032
Reaper is better for pogoing tho

>>542142068
so for steelsoul 100% complition you're basically just savescamming over and over again if the fight doesnt go your way right? Doesnt that kinda defeat the purpose?

>>542142293
If you suck at the game but you want the cheevo, you do that
I don't care about cheevos and I know I will never be good enough to do steel soul the legit way so I won't even bother

>>542142032
I mean, it was the same for OG HK aswell. Hell, also look at Shovel Knight. If you add pogoing to a game, there's a 90% chance a large chunk of players are going to just spam pogos as their default and sometimes only method of attacking.

>>542141165
It’s pale being oil. Probably soaks right in and does magic stuff. I guess it lets a blade be ground down to a narrow thickness and razor edge that would normally make steel weak.

>>542142431
there is no other way to do it. I dont believe there is a single holder of steelsoul 100% that didnt use savescam. You only need to mess up once and its over

>>542141729
>I don't like that there's only 2 new areas and both of them feel very half assed

This is my biggest gripe as well and what I feel is the problem with a lack of cohesion. In terms of whole new areas there's Coral Tower and Verdania, both of which are memory-only i.e just floating there in the ether of someone's memory. Every location in Act 3 feels tacked on whereas everywhere you discover in the first two acts feels like a small part of a larger interconnected picture.

AAAAAHHHH TROBBIO YOU'RE A COOL BOSS BUT PLEASE STOP FUCKING FLASHING MY EYES

>>542142575
There are people that have done no hit runs of all the souls game. I agree that a lot of people are savescumming but not a single one being legit is reaching a lot

I don't doubt true Steel Soul runs exist, the autism runs deep. Problem is that the achievement is worthless if you're playing on a platform where you can savescum. Most people would rightly assume it wasn't a genuine ruin.

>>542142575
You underestimate how autistically determined some people can be, especially the neets who have nothing to do with their lives but play a single game 15 hours a day every day

>>542142293
The 30 hour time requirement will filter those people if they're not good and abusing the mechanic.

>>542141395
Now that I've finished the game my top 5 bossfights in no particular order
>phantom
>widow
>first sinner
>LL
>last judge
Hopefully the next game won't take another 7 years

>45 minutes for HH, last melody, Lace and GMS
Uhh, I don't think I can make it.

I wish at least the orgasming of GMS would stop after you beat lost lace and 100% the game. Its distracting my flea games

>>542113372
Youtube spoiled me on the true ending when I wasn't even looking for silksong stuff. Fucking shit ass youtubers literally just title, thumbnail, here's massive spoilers

>>542105681
>So bizarre
Yeah. You're basically cursed
That's why i said GMS will be harder now. You have no items and no heals. good luck
>>542113372
The only think I got "spoiled" on (i asked really) was how to get into Act 3 in the first place

>>542129596
The weirdest part about Beast is that it's one of the few crests where it would benefit GREATLY with blues considering its playstyle

>>542133883
>Black and white
AAAAAA HORNET PLEASE COME TO THE VOID AAAAAA

Why did this spawn in the ground?

>>542148241
did you perhaps deactivate the flying KKKbugs?

>>542148241
>>542148528
oh youre not in the gauntlet nm i dont even know what youre talkinga bout

>>542140162
>I'm not sure when it started, but I just realized I've been just forcing my way through it simply so I can say I finished it.
Was at Last Judge for me. I got 100% completion, but essentially 0 drive to touch this game again.

>>542142032
I beat LL throught wanderer pogo-ing.

>improve dumb shard economy
>all contact damage is 1 (except bosses whose only moves are slamming their fat asses into you)
>make runbacks shorter (includes respawning you inside memories when you die to a memory boss)
>improve broken hitboxes like the unraveled's ass or lost lace's riposte combo
there, do that and 95% of people bitching about this game will be appeased

>>542142032
I defeated LL with Hunter's diagonal pogo

>>542129706
>I don't think he was sad and tortured about it either
Wasn't his throne room so soaked in regrets it practically looked like he'd summoned the Abyss there? This person is an idiot.

>>542149760
if you got 100% completion then you must have gotten somewhat good enough to enjoy the game. Unless you abused tools to the end or something

>>542140162
>>542149760
>I hate this but I will keep playing it just so I can say how much I didn't enjoy it
You're both fucking retards. If I play a game and I don't like it I simply stop playing it. Nobody cares whether you finish a game or not, there's no good reason to force yourself to do something you don't want to do.

>>542149967
Anon he's a white figure of authority. There is no hoop certain people wouldn't jump through to try to present him as Satan".

>>542141165
>Does oil really make a blade sharper?
After what the pale ore did for the nail in the previous game I assume that pale stuff is basically magic when it comes to maintaining swords.

Is there a wat to get a shortcut up there, I'm tired of the runback to the bilewater boss

>>542150036
>then you must have gotten somewhat good enough to enjoy the game.
No? There was two or three times I wanted to quit, but peer pressure, pride, and sunken cost pushed me.
>Unless you abused tools to the end or something
I abused tools only on Groal and Unraveled.
>>542150085
You're the dumb one. If it was as simple as "don't play a game you don't like" we wouldn't be talking about this. It's deeper than that, and it seems you can't see that.

>>542150481
There is, yeah. Beat the boss.

Alternatively, there's a "cheat" to get around it, but it'll be patched next update. You can use that electric tool to open the P.Duct's side that connects there.

>>542150526
>I wanted to quit, but peer pressure, pride, and sunken cost pushed me
Yep, retard. Big retard.

>>542150481
Beat the boss

>>542149930
Same. Now I'm on steel soul using wanderer and the game is like easy mode.

>>542150481
The runback is intended to generate discussion

>>542149898
>broken hitboxes like... lost lace's riposte combo
this is the first thing I've genuinely felt needs fixing. it seems like a coinflip whether I can get away or if I'll get sucked backwards into the hitbox
she also probably shouldn't be able to pull it out with 0 windup frames

>>542149898
>>542151836
Is there a video of this? I fought LL, but I don't think I noticed her riposte sucking me in, if I was clear of it.

>>542152174
https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1nvns88/final_boss_hitboxes_are_magnetized/
It doesn't only happen when you touch Lace, it also happens sometimes when you dash away from but you don't escape the hitbox even though visually it looks like you're out of it

>>542152551
I see. Thanks. Wonder if it's a bug.

>>542151836
>>542152174
>>542152551

I took it to be an intentional decision representing LL as the final, hardest, boss in the game. It's intended to be an actual parry / riposte from a skilled fencer opponent.

You have to be aware that if you fight her in a certain way then you're inviting her parry and she has a good chance of catching you. If you respect her ability to do this you can beat her without ever being parried. But if you stand directly in front of her swinging for the best then she'll punish it.

What the actual fuck?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8J3-wk4GOo

>>542152976
Getting sucked into her attack animationbecause you gently caressed the top of her hat after a dash is retarded and undefendable and if they did it on purpose they're fucking mongoloids.

bilewater... was okay

>>542153423
I didn't have a super hard time in it cause I did other areas first so by the time I went to bilewater I had double jump and plenty of health

Lace sucked us off

>>542153032
I'm more interested in the noclip possibilities.

>>542153732
GIWIWH (God I Wish I Was hornet)

>>542153806
There's a noclip mod
Well it's an invinicibility mdo that includes a noclip toggle

>>542152551
The same happens on Widow with her running slash. If you jump too late and don't clear the attack hitbox in time, you will be pulled down into it. So it's probably working as intended. They should just match visuals to actual range better.

>>542155369
Well either fix the hitbox or adapt the visuals to it, but having that disagreement between what the screen shows you and what the game does is just bad gamedev

>>542154306
Slut

I've heard a bunch of people say SS is harder than HK, but is it true and if so how much harder is it? How do SS bosses compare to stuff like Grimm or PV?

>>542155912
Y'know how near the end of HK where things felt harder than early game HK?
That's pretty much the difficulty of SS from the start

>>542155912
Hornet can move a lot faster so most of the bosses are also faster. Many of them also spawn adds, or have environmental hazards, plus there are many 2 mask damage moves. There is no single platforming challenge on the level of Path of Pain or even basic White Palace, but overall the platforming demands much more from you than in HK especially the challenges on a timer.
On the other hand you also have a ton more options for dealing with fights, in the form of crests with different moves and abilities, and a bunch of offensive tools some of which can entirely trivialize many bossfights if you abuse them

>>542152976
>You have to be aware that if you fight her in a certain way then you're inviting her parry and she has a good chance of catching you.
I don't think that applies to the video that was posted.
>If you respect her ability to do this you can beat her without ever being parried. But if you stand directly in front of her swinging for the best then she'll punish it.
I don't think I agree to this. Her riposte is so easy to dodge by just jumping up (>>541880017 >>541880104), that I sometimes trigger it on purpose just to get free hits in.

>>542155912
>but is it true and if so how much harder is it? How do SS bosses compare to stuff like Grimm or PV?
It's been a long time since I last played hk, I think the endgame bosses compare to grimm in difficulty, basically, I don't think it was much harder than hk, but it is designed to have you die more often, the 2 mask damage thing translates into playing hk as if you had only 3 lives all the time, even with upgrades, there are "gotcha" streamer moments, and there are runbacks to bosses that test your patience way more than hk did, so at times it feels like a test of endurance rather than a more difficult game. Supposedly the spike in difficulty was thought around hornet having better heal but I disagree , in practice, knight's heal was better. hornet does have better mobility but you unlock her full kit like 2/3rds into the game, it feels like so many design choices are against themselves, like the game gives you tools to have fun but gates them with a farmable currency for example, there is a lot of potential for fun thwarted by antifun design choices in the name of difficulty just for the sake of making it more punishing than hk for no reason other than it being a sequel. that's my take

>>542152551
that's much worse than what was happening to me, I always dashed away because any parry could be the aerial version and sometimes got pulled backwards. I was always able to pogo her if I managed to get behind her grounded attack though
anyway all I had to do was complain and it was like the frames slowed down, it stopped being an issue

>>542156157
Like around what part? The dream variants of bosses? The non-linear progression makes it hard, and HK doesn't have a very drastic sense of progression after you get dash and cs.

>>542156529
Would it be accurate to say SS is to HK what DS3 was to DS1?

>>542158371
I like your take.

terrible boss designed to waste as much of your time as possible
faggot takes minimum 3 minutes in pantheon 5

>>542160071
this but unironically

>>542158553
>Would it be accurate to say SS is to HK what DS3 was to DS1?
Could make sense yeah

>>542141593
>as he manually remove even a single hair being left on the blade.
What the fuck? That's not what he's doing. He's shaving off a leg hair to test it's sharpness. Have you never tested a blade's sharpness by scraping the hair off your arm?

>>542162739
Rewatch the cutscene anon

TRBB

>>542164379
I never noticed the seats in the foreground

Cockwork dancers is a pretty boring fight
I dont get why everyone ranks them so high

>>542158850
Sucks that Hornet literally dismantled every single person that could grant their respective areas some measure of stability.

Bilewater? Fucked forever. Ant areas? Leaderless. Hornet kills everyone here.

Every single guy worth a fuck is eradicated.

>>542166230
*Wrong reply

>>542166230
Hallownest is in a better state at this point, she should just go home

>>542166230
I feel like killing the vengeance driven leader of Bilewater is a net gain for Pharloom

Bilewater arena fucking sucks balls holy shit

>>542168971
if its your first playthrough i would highely advise to embrace the water and explore

>>542168971
Motherfucker, these adds are hard to hit

>>542169409
i can give you a noob friendly tip for the ones that rain down spears. If you have clawgrip you can chill on theopposite direction of the top left of your screen and spam attack their way. They basically become silkfarm

>>542169629
I'm jobbing on those arrow thing that explodes and the spear guy's collision damage

>>542169873
for the little arrow dude i would say learn to pogo them from their spawn. They have very simplistic patterns and they cant target up

>>542147138
I hate it, it's not a difficult fight but I hate it
>can't really see the pins when they're hidden under rubble
>sometimes the mega silk attack's second wave will spawn directly where you are with no escape
>learned I could pogo bounce on her in phase one
>also learned I could knock her pins out of the way and fuck myself over because I'll still instinctively jump to where the safe area used to be

>>542169409
Motherfucker this bosses summons adds too?

>>542170680
they go away

>>542170371
That's why I said it really depends on you. the fight itself isn't too hard. But you pretty much cannot make any mistakes because no heals and you cannot rely on items and tools
It's kind of a skill check which can be frustrating. Trust me, i missed out on that ending so i know how you feel
There there. At least you're learning

>>542116150
Fixed drops is the upcoming patch in public beta.

>>542167017
He's the one guy protecting bilewater. Now he's dead. Like every other authority in the entire setting.

Guys like Gurr could've been spared.

>>542171340
Gurr was a serial killer

>>542130396
People called HK a soulslike and it was dumb back then too.

>>542170792
I think I got all the fleas right before, I should have gone back and did the fun minigames to at least increase my damage output. I didn't know it'd be hard like this, I assumed it would just make her moveset angrier or something.
>skill check but it's for an optional ending
I just want hugs and a good lie-down

>>542171716
My only suggestion is trying to get the flea minigame for the damage if you haven't already upgraded your nail the first few times (nail master, rasher courier, and the upgrade in the vaults) but even then yeah...
>skill check but it's for an optional ending
There there. You don't have to get the optional ending. It's just unfortunately you can only get it in Act 2 so there's really no other way. But if it's too much, you can skip it and continue on into act 3. Just be sure to cure yourself first!

I need NG+ so I can do a tools only run
Do you think it would be doable? I wonder if some bosses might have too much health to kill only with tools, and you'd have a silk problem unless you allowed needle usage outside of bossfights
Shard consumption would be a pain too but that can be modded

>>542171716
>>542172305
Aren't the mini-games Act 3 only?

>>542172537
Yes

>>542172489
LL has the most health. If you can kill her with tools only, then I guess you can everyone.

On the other end, the Wisp tool is unlimited, so unless they are immune to fire, or move like Shakra in battle, you'll technically never run out.

>>542166230
>Ant areas? Leaderless
I feel like if we waited a few more days she would have just died from old age

>>542168971
>>542169409
This whole gauntlet is designed for pogoing and clawlining, stay airborne

>>542169409
I'm losing my mind, this is the least fair boss I encountered. It has enviromental hazards, summons adds, and has shitwater fucking with heals

>>542172489
I tried architect poison tools on ant queen and LL and neither died from tools alone, and this was before architect nerf, idk what other nerfs had been since then

>>542172883
Bro, your purification wreath?

>>542171426
He's the ant's top guy. They're all crazy nutjobs

>>542172883
>I'm losing my mind, this is the least fair boss I encountered.
Then be unfair back.

>>542173314
What are those flying bugs

>>542173314
Nigga you can only have 4 active cogflies, you wasted 2 right there

>>542173364
Coglies, I think.

>>542173395
Not my vid, and I agree.

>>542173364
Cogflies
Add the poison blue tool and they become ultracheese

im trying to thing of something fun for my second playthrough that will lead to cursed ending with GMS. I was thinking of rushing judge then using the simple key for rosarie cannon but then i saw you CANT reload it in combat. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>542172906
>>542172489
You can craft midfight with architect. The issue is how you'll beat the game until architect.

>>542173535
>but then i saw you CANT reload it in combat.
I'm too poor to use this cannon, but I laughed just now learning this. Did TC think people would cheese with the cannon? Is it that strong?

>>542173696
Obviously in NG+ you'd already have it

>>542173725
i used it a bit on my full run to test it out and nope it runs out way too fast. Its good for some regular mobs i guess

>>542173725
It's an average maybe weaker than avg tool. Just another design oversight by Team Slopry.

>>542171340
>He's the one guy protecting bilewater.
He's corrupted by soul power. He's bloated from the souls of all the unfortunate pilgrims he's eaten. I don't think he'll stop the consumption. Pharloom is better off without him.

>>542173725
>Is it that strong?
It's the weakest tool in your arsenal. Even the weakest version of the Silkshot is stronger
The Rosary cannon makes up for it with its rate of fire but it's still much weaker and you're better off using any other tool

>>542174782
I wanted to use it againt the flower boss, but you can't even cling to a wall while shooting.

>>542175484
flowerboss was embarrassingly easy. Got it on the 3rd try and was like wait wheres the 2nd phase. Like at least increase the speed of the pollen or something

Fucking High Halls fight.
And no, I don't have tacks.

>>542173314
Finally got the fucker, just needed to use hunter's charged attack everytime he resurface, since he's always airborne.

>>542175921
Why do you not have tacks my dude
Also finish Shakra's wish

>>542175921
You can have don quixote help out

>have a poem by a Conductor Romino in the opening
>have 3 different Conductors you encounter in the story and lore
>none of them are Romino
What was his deal? Literally the only proof of his existence is the opening poem.

>>542172305
I have all the other upgrades, and I can get her staggered in her last phase, but still.
But no, I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do the thing!
I love the therethereposting, my sole respite in Silksong hell...
>>542172537
Oh...

68 fucking successful pogos ? Doesnt that seem absurdly high? juggle and dodge where relatively easy but 69 with not a single messup or false input on the hunter pogo seems nightmarish

Do the "bring supplies to Bone Bottom/Songclave" missions cause any progress in those camps or are they just for farming rosaries? Also
>have simple key
>recall I found a lock
>I forgot to signal it on the map
I'm going to check the wikia and I won't even feel bad about it, this game's minimap really sucks anyway

>>542176765
If you can get her staggered in the last phase then you've got this! I'm rooting for you!

>>542176804
it's not that bad
if you suck at hunter, then use a different crest

>>542176876
Just for rosaries. The only courier quests that matter are
>The meat rasher run
>The queen's egg

>>542176919
Thank you anon, your words give me strength and hope!

>>542176804
Then don't use hunter wtf are you doing m8
Do it with reaper, reaper is the easy mode crest for pogoing

>>542176804
My dude you have other crests

>>542176804
Pogo is the easiest one

>>542177063
All right, thanks, I didn't feel doing them multiple times to see if anything happened because they're just tedious. At this point I'm fully kitted out, I got the nail polished to a shine, I might as well cheese Groal like in the webm above because fuck this game at this point, it has overstayed its welcome already and I'm still not at act 3. By the way, how's Trobbio? I just unlocked the fight but have yet to try it.

>>542177393
>>542176935
I said to myself i aint swapping from Hunter for my first run. Its just that over 60% of my pogo flea game attempts end in forward slash flash input instead of pogo. Maybe i should change my old ps3 controller but this flea challenge is the last memento i need. Hunter till the end

>>542177553
>how's Trobbio?
Fun. And bright

>>542177553
Why wouldnt you try it for yourself, its a cool fight with a decent reward.

>>542177648
keep the stick permanently pointed down and only move it slightly to the sides when you need to move horizontally

>>542177667
>>542177685
Oh fucking finally, I'll do it Immediately just to take a break from Groal and the stupid conchfly up in Arrakis

Gonna try NG+ with this
https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/276?tab=description
It's just some modified new game save files with all the items (the default one doesn't include progression-related abilities)

>>542177553
>Trobbio
FABULOUS
Looks scarier than it actually is.

>>542176657
I asked for his help with Moorwing, but then I beat it first try without triggering the last dialogue before boss arena. Since then I haven't seen Garmond in the Citadel, don't know if he is even in here. I don't have time to look for him and fight him.

>>542177553
>By the way, how's Trobbio? I just unlocked the fight but have yet to try it.

He's pretty great. Keep in mind that a lot of his fight is about not being confused by the sheer spectacle

How old is Hornet

>>542179319
Old

>>542179319
A lot. We don't know exactly but multiple lifetimes of normal insects.

Shakra's fight, is quite the anime, keeps teleporting everywhere

Surprised they didn't do a Myla with this fella

>>542180159
Everybody expected it so they subverted it and then did it with Garmond

>>542180159
I thought sherma 100% was going to get killed and garmond goes out in a blaze of glory.

>>542180156
I'm having a really hard time with shakra, her attacks look so random that its hard to find a pattern out of it, except that ground charge

>>542180969
Would have been cool if there were a way to have Garmond deal the finishing blow to GMS and prevent act 3 while still sending her to the void.

Bullshit hunter pogo is easy. I somehow made it to 70 and they were going so absurdly fast i had to resort to clawline. At least i made it and after like 2 more relics i will have officially done everything in the game.

I've gotten all the Silksong achievements and I want more indie metroidvanias to scratch that itch, what are some good ones? Already played:
>Blasphemous 1 and 2
>Axiom Verge
>Environmental Station Alpha
>Momodora: RUtM
>Salt and Sanctuary
>Voidwrought

>>542182230
Darkly Big Rabbi Ribbi

>>542181550
Then just aim for the ground charge, or whatever you can. iirc I beat her by mostly staying in the middle and just hitting when an opening shows.

>>542180156
>>542181550
Nah, fuck >>542182623. The correct strategy is to zoom around like a spastic, then climb inside her hitbox and die.
Be sure to leave a negative steam review after.

So are the dog fleas going to grow up to be regular fleas like Mooshka and the others?

Do the tiny ants all around Hunter's March grow up to be the ant enemies we fight?

It seems like when bugs are born they're non-sapient or more animalistic, but then we have stuff like the Huntress' runt who is already fully anthropomorphic, or the baby broodmother who is already talking.

>>542182906
Maybe different bugs gain sentience at different rates.

>>542182906
Some races have a higher average IQ than others.
I know it's painful to hear, but we can't live in ignorance any longer.

>>542182230
Nine Sols is pretty fun

>>542182906
>Do the tiny ants all around Hunter's March grow up to be the ant enemies we fight?
I think the tiny ants either become the small ground ants or small flying ants, and they grow into their respective sentient counterparts

>>542182230
Grime if you don't mind that the dev is israeli

>>542183527
>the dev
Damn, no wonder that game seemed to stiff and soulless.
I'll probably try it out I guess.

Im afraid Silksong might have ruined other games for me. Now i expect the same level of quality from them.

>>542182479
>>542183267
Thanks
>>542183267
Thanks but zioslop is a nogo

I think helping Bilewater heal and the ants be less destructive maniacs is a worthwhile quest for a potential dlc

Rebuilding stuff in general

>>542183527
Man i cannot for the life of me get into Grime

>>542183923
All the ants except for 3 are Haunted (and 2 die) and for all we know most are puppeted corpses. I think given the Gilly dialogue we just have to accept the Far Fields will be fucked for a long time.

>>542183098
t. Hornet when asked about her opinions on flies.

>>542184202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTjzCGCjPaI

I still don't know what the Haunting really even is. I just know this guy sounds happy and chill all the time regardless.

Can i move my savefile to other slots somehow?

>>542184491
I like the flying one that sounds like a smitten French girl.
>Ooo Ahh!

>>542184647
Rename it to the slot you want it saved.

>>542183705
>>542183965
The start is really slow but as you progress you encounter some really cool bosses and some rather tough platforming sections
Plus I enjoyed how weird and surreal the world and the story were, and it has kickass music too
I agree the gameplay can feel a bit stiff but I guess I got used to it

>>542184903
For me I just couldn't get over how stiff you feel on top of the painfully slow beginning. I've heard a lot about how it gets better much later but those plus the visuals just made me lose interest with time

>>542184663
I always refuse to kill those little flying ones until I hear them say the Oowah! line, it's so cute and enthusiastic
You go little bug

>>542184663
>Journal entry for that one is calling them a piece of shit who probably had to crutch on others to reach the Citadel
Hornet didn't have to do them that way.

>>542182230
Death's Gambit, Ender Lilies/Magnolia
Owlboy and Iconoclasts are good but easier, more story focused

>>542185075
She just tells it like it is.

>>542185075
I love the Hunter's Journal in Silksong because it's personal
Some entries are really cute and shed a lot of light on Hornet, per personality, her upbringing, and how she sees the world
And some are just "That this is fucking disgusting"

>>542182230
Do you want pinball in your metroidvanias?

>>542185264
Ender Lilies never clicked for me, it always felt like I was playing a particularly pretty newgrounds game for some reason and the level design felt so bland

>>542184491
Why did they nerf his damage from 2 to 1?

>>542185769
People don't know how to jump

>>542185347
>Total Fligger Death
t. Hornet, probably

Why is there no colosseum of fools equivalent? You'd think the citadel would have something like that. They have a theater.

>Courier to putrified ducts
What is this mmo dogshit quest

>>542186710
Its because Coral Tower exists. But yeah an arena with rewards would be cool.

>>542186710
Why would the citadel want bugs to fight each other to death when they need them for eternal servitude in keeping GMS asleep?

i finished the entire game with my trust harp and i still dont know what it does. Briefly immobilises multiple foes that cant be it? I was just cosplaying a bard all this time?

>>542186790
there's absolutely no reason to do them. no memento, no achievement. you get a materium entry for the unique deliveries but there's no achievement for filling that out either

>>542186710
>You'd think the citadel would have something like that
No, you wouldn't. Why would they have a death coliseum. Their entire thing is eternal servitude

>>542186790
There is 0 reason to do any of the courier quest except for the meat rasher and the queen's egg

>>542187301
Liquid lacquer for the sake of completionism.

i died to nkg in p5 again

>>542187020
>>542187158
They sentence lazy bugs to death. They could make them kill each other for spectacle and as a message to the populace.

>>542187878
Or they can just work them to death like they do already
If you want spectacle, go to the Trobbio theater like every other bug. Weirdo

>>542187878
>They sentence lazy bugs to death
Only so they can shove their souls into their automatons. There would be no point in them just killing each other in a spectacle fight. It would also contradict the image the citadel tries to project.

>>542188068
No I'm autistic. If I want it then it makes perfect sense.
If it's not what I want, then it doesn't make any sense at all!
Simple as.

>>542187301
>>542187126
Courier quests count towards act 3 quest requirement completion so if you're doing the 100% speedrun it can be beneficial to do a quick one or two, like the bone bottom or songclave ones.

Oh yea i almost forgot. The hunter crest upgrades i got throughout the game do they happen for other crests or is it just hunter. I assumed Hunter was upgraded because i was using it

>>542188437
Nope, Hunter gets 2 upgrades and thats it.

>>542188437
The other crests already have a special ability.

>>542188437
Just Hunter

>>542188061
>>542188068
Okay then put the arena somewhere else
The red ants or the coral army seem like the kind of people who would capture bugs from other lands and dump them into gladiator fights

>>542188437
Just hunter, its utility is so basic it gets buffed twice

>>542188930
Coral area is dead and the ants probably had some form of coliseum but that's long since faded

>>542188930
I don't see the ants caring about that, they seem to just be territorial little bastards. For all we know that's what the coral tower was for.

>have to buy compass
>have to equip compass you just bought
Fucking hell no. Please tell me they learned from the first game, please tell me they didn't make another metroidvania where one of the most basic functionalities directly tied to the core gameplay requires wasting a slot. Same for the bead magnet, who in the everloving fuck told them it was good game design to have the game's main currency bounce all over the fucking place and potentiall fall into pits/spikes unless you waste a slot on it?
Using slots for better drop rates, not losing currency on death, revealing certain things on the map or even maki g hidden walla more visible would all be 100% ok, but not things that are part of the base gameplay.

>>542189995
There's mods that fix that, just grab one

>>542189995
>muh GPS has an opportunity cost AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Have you considered learning how to read a map instead?

>>542189995
it literally doesnt matter man. Like what yellow do you even want to equip? I had a fucking harp on throughout the game because like what else is there even to equip

>>542190510
Don't bother, he just wants to punch the virtual drywall.
Mom won't take away his nuggies if he does it this way.

>>542190510
Ascendant Grip is almost mandatory

>>542190510
>t. wanderer shitter

>>542190771
I doubt it, otherwise he'd appreciate the weighted belt and shitter's dice.

>>542190771
just a humble Hunterbro

>>542190768
>he didn't immediately find the right short hop rhythm for staying still
lol
lmao even

>>542190768
>Mandatory
There's not a single part of the game where short hopping on the same wall doesn't accomplish the same thing.

At least anklets factually get me where I want to go faster.

>>542190959
>he hopped instead of just dashing

>>542191048
We know you're retarded, you don't have to explain how badly.

>>542191048
I learned you can dash up walls at about the same time I learned you can dash downward for a quick landing. Way too late to matter.

>>542191212
It's alright, you don't have to pretend you know what you're talking about, this is an anonymous image board.

>>542176691
CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A PROBLEM
CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A PROBLEM

>>542191408
mom's gonna freak?

>>542191357
Dashing down never really had much use for me anyway, aside from getting down the long fall to bone bottom faster.

>>542192361
i used it only on the race guy to get down faster before the goal and thats about it

>>542190716
Yeah, how dare someone question the design choices of the golden goose sequel to the second best game ever made, am I right?

>>542192928
Yes sweetie, you're speaking truth to power and enlightening the sheeple. Well done.

>>542182230
Cave Story
Blaster Master Zero
La-Mulana
Rain World
The Witch & the 66 Mushrooms
Touhou Luna Nights

>>542182906
Hornet has no qualms about infanticide.
She also entered a guy's dream, killed him, and displayed his heart in her house.
I think she might be a psychopath.

>>542194017
I love Rainworld, but there's no way Silkies are going to be able to play it without punching a hole through their monitor.
They seethe over the smallest things already.

>>542194427
its worth noting that rain world is not just a MetroidVania its also a survival game

>>542188293
>plays the Last surgery of Conductor Mizello on full blast while fucking
>leaves the front door open

Spin me some fun ideas for a second run. Something unique and fun

>>542195880
100% completion route.
Upon your charted course, consult a map.
If a tool or upgrade is within your path, and obtainable, you MUST take it. No exceptions.
If a boss is able to be fought along this path, you MUST fight it then and there. No exceptions.
Once you acquire a tool, you MUST equip it, no exceptions. This obviously means you must unequip tools to make room at this point.
IF A TOOL BECOMES UNEQUIPPED, YOU CAN NEVER EQUIP IT AGAIN. Applies to all colors.
Same applies to crests and skills - as you get it, equip it immediately. Once you get a new one, it must be equipped. THE OLD CREST OR SKILL CAN NEVER BE EQUIPPED AGAIN.

>>542191357
I was literally fighting LL when I realized you could dash downwards

>>542196404
To be clear, no exceptions means that if you cannot afford it: NO EXCEPTIONS; farm until you can. And on your charted path, you cannot skip secret rooms or corridors.

>>542196404
i just did 100% i have no reason to do it again. Unless im specifically going for speed complition 30 hrs which i dont know i want to do. I was thinking something more chill like rush a specific fun tool combo and play with that

>>542192495
I ended up fucking up the 3rd race and was behind him on the drop for the final line. I clawlined in desperation and learned you can hit him to make him stop.

Literally shanked him an inch from the goal line and stole the victory.

>>542196631
You wanted something fun and unique. Consider it a Nuzlocke run.

>>542196709
oh the first 3 are easy peasy its just learning the route. Although the memento 0/6 race was easy too so idk
>>542196801
im not at the point of running nuzlocks yet. I just want to reexperience the game since its the first one ive of its type ive played and i got much much better than when i started but in a chill fun way

>>542189995
God you guys are such crybaby shitters
>NOOOOOOOO MY YELLOW SLOT AIIIIEEEEEEE

>>542197136
Just rush beast crest then.

>>542194017
I've played a lot of those but I'll check out the others, thanks.

>>542194427
Rain World was good but the difficulty is completely unlike Silksong. Also I dont know if I'd call it a Metroidvania.

is grimm inspired by that one gay hotel hazbo faggot show?

>>542197305
that was the plan until i saw 0 blues. 0 blues = no fun

>>542195880
Go for the purple quill
Either that or skip Dash and do a low % run.

>>542197439
Did your mom drink while pregnant with you?

>>542197452
Okay, so you're gonna do that autismo /r9k/ thing where you ask for suggestions then shoot down everything?
Have fun with that.

>>542197164
>>542190510
If the yellow slot items are so shit then remove the yellow slot and make them all permanent upgrades like masks and hearts.

>>542197873
Because I dont want silk draining anklets or a bracelet that gives me double damage on 24/7 you doofus

Naaaaaaaaao

I just got double jump. Am I supposed to be able to climb here with it and the clawline, or am I still missing something?

>>542199049
i think thats descend only anon. Need to go right side of fay to climb

>>542199478
It's here in the map. I descended through a diagonal path after getting the cloak, then I entered here though a narrow tunnel at some stopping point.

>>542199905
Yeah, you should be able to climb there with what you have to visit an NPC who gives you lore.

>>542200068
But how do I climb in pic related >>542199049
? Do I just have to stick to the top of the vertical wall segment, then I can double jump high enough to reach the fly?

>>542200521
Double jump off the left wall and clawline the bug iirc

Okay finally tried Shaman crest with Voltvessel and that's fucking disgusting. Sure your heal is ass but you can practically damage race a boss. I wasn't even using thread storm.

Is there any instance where you'd use Silk Spear over Thread Storm?

>>542180453
So in a q&a they'll come back and confirm that he's just fine after the game if you didn't do the quest to kill his ass or rushed down the three hearts before he could get too worn out?

I wish Act 3 had more suffering and misery

i just learned magnetic dice can negate damage after playing the entire game with a free yellow slot that i put a harp to. Man i wish the game was clear about what each trinket actually does

>>542202650
I think he's fucked regardless....even if you rush the hearts I think the Zaza quest triggers. All we can hope for is some sort of epilogue or a sidequest to save him ahead of time (which seems unlikely).

>>542202835
Thats the only tool with a vague description to my knowledge. But it should be a bit clearer. It even buffs Wanderer's crit chances for some reason.

>>542069429
>>542069803
Probably late, but I suck at platforming and one thing that helped a lot with Mount Fay is realizing that you bounce up automatically after clawlining a bug and I was cancelling it by trying to jump manually.

>>542202692
I'm not gonna lie, I was bracing for a fight with corrupted Shakra because I knew you could fight her, I just didn't know you were supposed to do it in Act 1 and I missed the trigger.
But yeah, I know my experience was atypical, I can't help but think Team Cherry bitched out by not doing that. Instead they just took out Garmond and left Zaza alone.

>>542203105
I think part of it is because so much of the death is a byproduct of Hornet's actions. I think a lot of people would be reluctant to play Act 3 at all if it doomed so many of their beloved NPCs. Even with Garmond they have a scene of Hornet urging him to rest.

>>542203105
>Garmond secluded himself in a cave at the edges of Pharloom as he felt the corruption sink into his shell so he wouldnt endanger any other bug

>>542197972
>bracelet that gives me double damage on 24/7 you doofus
Though I expect every motherfucker to put it on the moment the Godhome equivalent comes out

>>542203452
>Fuck

>>542203845
I mean its a no brainer for Radiant but I'm not going to touch it otherwise, I dont want to take 4 damage a hit. I am curious if Steel Soul mode Godhome will be the meta play for that one tool boosting yellow.

>>542202692
>>542202881
>>542203105
The issue is that Lost Shakra means a massacred Bellhart and that's a bit darker than they wanted it to go.

WAH WAW WAW WAH WAH

>>542204095
Would be wild if everyone in Songclave died in act 3 if you didnt activate Second Sentinel.

>>542204835
Imagine the different outcomes if you didn't do things as planned
>Shakra would've still went looking for her master and would get corrupted by the void
>Bellhart falls because of this and you have to put her down
>Alternatively if you didn't activate Second Sentinel, Songclave gets decimated
>Sherma is the only survivor

>>542204835
>Sherma dead
I hesitate to think how people would react to that.

WORST BOSS IN THE GAME
HOLY FUCK
faggot ruined 6 p5 runs before I managed to beat him
what a dogshit experience, this pantheon is designed to waste as much of your time as possible before reaching nkg / pv / absrad
I died on pv immediately after this fuck :(

>>542209640
>not healing when you force him to his bat form
Not gonna make it

>>542209640
I think it's a fun fight. Just like regular Nightmare King, there's pretty much one response for every one of his attacks. In your clip you're pretty much already doing everything right, just getting hit for standing at the wrong spots. Also, >>542209974
if by "bat form" he means when he spawns consecutive pillars off the ground.

>>542210347
Nah I meant bat form as in when he takes the form of a bat.

>>542210347
Never mind, I'm retarded and I just noticed he turns into a bunch of black bats at some points. Didn't even remember he did that. But anyway, you could also be healing instead of attacking when he spawns the slow ass pillars.

I was surprised to come on here and see people call First Sinner an Act 3 boss. You can get to her in Act 2 as soon as you get Faydown Cloak.

My memory is probably faulty, but I spent so much fucking time learning to beat the pantheons with charm binding that have I the notion of any other form of doing them being piss easy.

>>542210612
WHO CALLS HER THAT

>>542210612
I fought her in act 2 as well. I didn't know people were calling her an act 3 boss. Just get the double jump and you can reach her

>>542209314
Sherma is literally the only person at Songclave in act 3 that people will give a shit about. No, make Juliana the only survivor.

Architect probably was not the play here

>>542213919
It was, the voltvessels delete phase 2 and the drill makes quick work of phase 1.

Just finished the game 100% after about 51 hours, though I cheated to find a few things, so that sort of thing probably takes longer. I'm not sure... if I actually enjoy the game or not. It seems like for every section or boss I enjoyed there was another thing or two that just made me roll my eyes or royally pissed me off. The cutscenes and waiting for all the dream areas and final boss, a few too many arena battles that don't actually reward you in the slightest (or even lead to rewards), some run backs being comically long even though they're easy, a number of tools 100% needing major buffs, needle upgrades being locked being either boring (delivery) or annoying (flea minigames) content, contact damage being WAY too easy to fall into on certain fights, and some bosses just being outright annoying due to how little openings they have combined with ludicrously high HP (Seth, Lost Lace, blah blah blah). There's a lot to love here, but I don't think I'll touch the game again unless there's some major changes. The negatives simply outshine the positives that much for me. I couldn't even possibly fathom wasting my time with a Steel Soul run. Shit was fun in HK, but I feel like three quarters of Silk's bosses would make me rage just thinking about them as I planned a route out.

>>542214236
Phase 1 was where I had issues. I do not have the drill rn

What would become of Lace in the non-Act 3 endings?

>>542215298
Gets Haunted by Hornet like the rest of Pharloom in the default end
Gets eaten by the Twisted Bud like the rest of Pharloom in the cursed child end
Continues being mom's bitch in the cut ending

>Hey, remember that episode where Twilight LITERALLY died by becoming stone
>hehe, yeah...good thing that Fluttershy just happened to stumble upon her though
>:writers.room:

>>542216006
Cut ending?

>>542216328
Strung To Serve is the name of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0gWOVrdGEg
IIRC the ending was tied to not binding or needolining her fast enough, but I guess Team Cherry decided that an ending for getting indecisive at the last second wasn't needed.

>>542216490
ah like the HK ending

So what was GMS planning to do with Hornet anyways? Going off the first silkheart cutscene she wanted you to "witness her waking" and the Choir kidnapping you is her doing. But when you wake her up she just immediately tries to kill you. Did she just want Hornet as a Haunted corpse to puppet?

>>542216716
>But when you wake her up she just immediately tries to kill you.
Hornet had thrown down the gauntlet to her face not once but twice at that point. Of course she went for violence instead of trying to talk it out or any other shit.

Infinite continuous threadstorm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYp_8z5rzE

>>542216798
Sure but even before that we can assume that the Haunted bugs trying to kill you are enacting her will, and that starts in Act 1. Maybe its a response to Hornet's resistance and the killing of her slaves? Makes me wonder if they had bigger plans for how the pacifism check would play into GMS's view towards you that eventually got scrapped.

>>542216883
The fact that my first instinct was to call them idiots for publishing a useful exploit instead of keeping it to themselves until the devs have moved on says I went wrong somewhere in life.

Why does Karmelita's Theme slap so hard?

DLC better have Lost Grindle

>>542199034
Bzzt!

Does anybody have any gifs or webm's of Hornet doing her little slap, when characters try to get handsy with her? I get an almost cuteness-overload heart attack seeing that shit.

>>542216716
It's worth noting that you encounter GMS immediately after beating the everloving shit out of her favorite daughter, so she's probably not in a talkative mood.

>>542216716
My personal prediction is she intended to fuse to Hornet. This new, stronger version of her would go on to rule at peak power again.

In the current version of the game you can see the reverse fusion take place. If Hornet takes out GMS and there is nowhere for her power to go it gets absorbed by the only other pale being present. Hornet becomes “Grand Mother Hornet”.

>>542217118
silksong pacifist run would go insane

>>542218372
Its interesting that in the 2019 demo you didnt have to kill Moss Mother. So the idea was clearly something they had an intention of exploring, even if it would have been hell to pull off.

>>542217549
The little shit knows when to bail, there's no way he'd ever end up Lost.

>>542218057
>favourite daughter
By process of elimination sure but I can't say she even liked Lace that much judging by how Widow was kept more in the loop about things than Lace was.
>>542218328
>If Hornet takes out GMS and there is nowhere for her power to go it gets absorbed by the only other pale being present. Hornet becomes “Grand Mother Hornet”.
That'd be because Hornet is literally binding her to absorb her in the default ending. She just bites off more than she can chew and gets warped like how she can worry about it happening with Eva.
>>542218507
Frankly it'd be weird as fuck to have Hornet suddenly renounce violence completely after relying on it for centuries.

>>542216716
>But when you wake her up she just immediately tries to kill you.

You woke her by challenging her. And as Hornets says, pale beings allow only submission or destruction (even if there are clear examples of her father successfully coexisting with others). You can imagine that if in the middle of the fight Hornet surrendered and promised to be a good daughter GMS would have stopped.

>>542219449
>You woke her by challenging her. And as Hornets says, pale beings allow only submission or destruction (even if there are clear examples of her father successfully coexisting with others).
Honestly considering how utterly different the higher being situations are between Hallownest and Pharloom I have to wonder which one is the outlier.

>>542166230
Gotta clear the field for Sherma.

>>542219250
There's a difference between killing mindless corpses and weird void golems, and killing helpless possessed people. Some of the Haunted pilgrims are clearly alive prior to getting puppeted, and we see from Bellhart that some are able to survive if the influence is removed. Hornet is willing to use violence but she isnt a psycho and its clear she has lingering regrets about her life in Hallownest, plus she's incredibly polite with nonthreatening NPCs, even treating Conductor Ballador with kindness. I could see her attempting a nonlethal approach being in line with her character. That said, its just one possible approach - naturally violence makes sense too.

>>542219449
>>542219532
Makes me wonder what White Lady's deal is. Isnt she a Pale Being? Yet she's remarkably passive about her kingdom being consumed by the Radiance and seems to have given up on resisting it actively.

>>542219778
>Hornet is willing to use violence but she isnt a psycho
The multiple baby killing journal entries make me doubt that. As does the one where she has to resist the urge to kill a bug that's round and passive purely for the sake of target practice. Her default crest being Hunter says a lot about her also just really liking violence.
>>542219778
She's locked herself up in a straightjacket and this is fucking her up enough that she's gone blind. She might not have died from the guilt but she's still very blatantly not mentally okay with what she did for the vessel plan.

>>542219778
Isn't the White Lady completely chained exactly to stop herself from indulging in her base instincts? She says because otherwise she'll reproduce constantly, but maybe there are other instincts at play

>>542219694
>plus she's incredibly polite with nonthreatening NPCs
She's polite with Broodling (which is impressive, considering her Journal comments), sure, but she gladly murders non-hostile Squirrms. I guess they can't/won't talk to her, so they're fair game for "hunting" or something.

>>542220036
Yes, she wants to stop herself from breeding anymore out of guilt.
>These bindings about me, I've chosen to erect. There is some shame I feel from my own part in the deed, and this method guarantees it cease.

>>542219532
>examples of her father successfully coexisting with others
You mean him coexisting with White Lady? I think any other alliances were politically motivated. He's not malevolent, but not really "peace and co-existence with natives" guy, either.

>>542220348
I can't remember any spectacular beef between him and Unn despite the Greenpath guys being markedly weaker than Hallownest.

>>542220348
I am talking about the politically motivated alliances. Sure, they had a reason behind, but being able to accept a compromise is still different from only being able to accept submission or destruction like Hornet says.

>>542220483
He conquered those places via more sutler means than just murdering the leader.

>>542220597
He had a road through them with a "don't kill pilgrims" agreement. What other conquest are you thinking of.

>>542220760
Queen's Gardens used to be a part of Greenpath, too, Anon. It's a classic case of urban development pushing native lifeforms away.

>>542220760
I thought some of the fungus guys had lingering resentment to their lands being developed.

>>542219250
>I can't say she even liked Lace that much
If GMS sacrificing herself to save Lace isn't enough evidence for you, I'm not sure what would be. Additionally, GMS keeping Lace OUT of her schemes seems like a bigger indicator of affection than the opposite, given Widow's state of being, wouldn't you agree?

>>542222109
She sacrificed herself to the idea of her daughter. She didn't even know Lace that much.

>>542222175
I don't see that it really matters how well she knew her on a personal level, that isn't what we're talking about. You can like someone even if you've never spoken a word to them.

>>542222175
Anon... you're going BEYOND just arguing semantics right now. GMS objectively held affection towards Lace. It doesn't matter WHY she did. For whatever reason GMS looked fondly upon Lace and didn't want her involved in anything in any particular manner, going so far as to sacrifice herself to keep the girl safe. Sure, you can argue that GMS wasn't a good Mom, or that maybe she didn't bring Lace into the world for any particularly good reason, but she held affection for her nonetheless and acted upon it.

warning: do NOT open.
you have been warned.
don't do it

>>542222975
Stop posting my wife

I try to stay away from the "tranny game" discourse however one thing which did seem notably apparent to me was having characters who sound and look a specific gender be written as the other gender.

>Sherma: clearly sounds like a woman, canonically a man
>Chef Lugioli: clearly designed as an obese woman, sounds exactly like an obese woman, canonically a man
>Phantom: sounds like a man, dressed like a man, canonically a woman
>Vog: built and dressed like a man, male deep voice, canonically a woman

It just strayed a bit too far into the realm of "heh, look how comfortable we are with subverting gender stereotypes" for me.

>>542223527
>>Sherma: clearly sounds like a woman, canonically a man
Anon he's a kid
Have you ever met a kid? I mean, before the restraining order?

>>542222175
>Better a child spun frail/mad than none
She was a shit mother and you can question her motivations but she clearly wanted Lace to exist. The entirety of Act 3 is screaming this at the player.

>>542223527
I judge you as mentally ill.

>>542190768
Fucks with my muscle memory something fierce. I don't like it

>>542223958
>>Better a child spun frail/mad than none
That quote damns her, tho. She wanted a puppet too weak to resist and too mentally retarded to ever grow up have have own opinions. She wanted her "daughter" to be dependent on her both physically and mentally.

>>542223797
I thought Sherma was a small, naive, meek woman. That was my interpretation of the character as presented.

Ultimately there's nothing I can do to go against the developers' word when they turn around and say X character is Y gender, regardless of what they look or sound like. But that's my point, it feels a bit corny to me when characters are presented one way and then I only learn they're ackchually the other gender through text interactions.

Then people will turn around and say "well that's because of your own personal biases!". I get it. I undersand. It's just lame to me.

>>542223958
>She was a shit mother
To be fair to her, she was magically half asleep. She didn't had many occasions to be a good mother to Lace. Sure, the weavers didn't set a good precedent, but we only have their words about how she was before the coup

>>542224103
>She wanted her "daughter" to be dependent on her both physically and mentally
And yet she still sacrifices herself to give Lace a chance to survive and escape with Hornet. If her aims were purely selfish she wouldnt have cared about what happened to Lace after she died.

>>542222109
>If GMS sacrificing herself to save Lace isn't enough evidence for you, I'm not sure what would be
She loved in her own awful way sure but she was absolutely the "better than nothing" kid and they both knew it.

>>542224103
That interpretation only holds up if she actually had the ability to make Lace a "perfect" being and deliberately choose to make her frail, which is supported by what?

>>542224258
>which is supported by what?
By existence of Weavers. Duh.

>>542224207
>pic

I suspect there may have been a particular part of this image the artist wanted to draw more than the rest. Almost to the point where that particular area of the drawing is the entire intention of the image and the rest is merely an excuse to have drawn that particular portion. Mayhaps.

>>542223527
>>542224130
If you thought Phantom sounded and looked like a man you're probably just autistic. She has a woman's VA and she's wearing a dress. Also she has lore dialogue in the pod prior where Lace calls her sister.

>>542224316
The tentacles?

>>542224316
Its not a particularly sexual image and Hornet's body isnt very detailed so I'm not sure why your mind went there.

>>542224132
She's a pretty bad mom to Phantom.

>>542223527
2/10 technically still got me to reply

>>542224298
>"Better a child spun frail than none"
She's not saying "Better a child spun frail than a child cool and independent".

>>542224458
Don't forget all those Wraiths from The Mist. Which are basically equivalent of Shades from HK, and show how many have died in her creation "experiments".

>>542224458
>She's a pretty bad mom to Phantom.
Also to the Wraiths who got tossed out with the trash (assuming they're they Sibling parallel to go along with Phantom being the Ghost parallel)

>>542224549
I thought the Wraiths were controlled by Phantom honestly. Possibly even manipulated by her organ to protect the region from approach (power of song and all that)

>>542224538
Though it is incredibly telling that instead of making another batch of Weavers or similar she goes for making a child that is completely dependent on her to live.

>>542219449
There's simply no way that Hornet doesn't wipe out GMS is the big point. She will
Never, ever ever let her off the hook.

>>542224654
>were controlled by Phantom
I think Phantom kept them "alive" somehow. I don't think they're controlled. They're just mad and starved for Silk.

>>542224654
Then why did the wraiths kiss hornet

>>542224654
There's no explicit statement either way but the parallels scream failed siblings tossed out with the trash to me at least.

>>542224803
They have good taste.

>>542224673
If it turns out that she made Lace before being out asleep, then you are completely right and I agree with you. But I don't think that Lace, Phantom and all the silk specters were made in a fully conscious state. I imagine her being half asleep in a dreamlike state and spinning children in an instinctual way. I think that because if he was more conscious then why not forcing any of the haunted bug to destroy the citadel and the melody that is keeping her asleep?

>>542224327
I am willing to admit that of the ones I listed, Phantom is the weakest in favour of the point I'm making and I would likely have gone along with her being female had I not missed the Needolin scene / text prior to the fight.

However in my defense, I thought Phantom was wearing a tuxedo complete with a dinner jacket with tails, like what the Phantom of the Opera (a man) wears in the story Phantom of the Opera. In terms of voice, I thought the intention was for Phantom to sound like a teen boy.

Again, I accept that all these interpretations are wrong in light of what the devs decide the character is. I'm just saying, that's what I thought.

>>542224654
>Not a bug but a projection of another's will in smog and Silk.

I thought they were projection of Phantom. They still had the discarded sibling aspect because Phantom had the discarded sibling aspect.

>>542225037
> I think that because if he was more conscious then why not forcing any of the haunted bug to destroy the citadel and the melody that is keeping her asleep
I mean, she did do that. There are no bugd sustaining the Citadel's song and the place is basically an empty husk and under her thrall, thats why the spell is weakening. If Hornet had never shown up in the Cradele to challenge GMS it still would have broken eventually. Its probably just that the spell was so powerful it lingered for a long while even with nothing actively fueling it.

>>542225037
I think by "half-asleep" they meant "narcolepsy + sleep paralysis", her mental state is unaffected, she just can't move outside of controlling a few Silk threads and isn't awake for long.

>>542225145
Yeah I think you're totally right, I'm just tired and worded my post poorly.

Clover dancers is AIDS

Maybe it's cause I'm just druk

>>542225129
>bothering to make this image at all
Yeah I'm thinking the autism angle was accurate.

Wraiths in the mist are to Phantom as Shades in the Abyss are to the Knight. Failed siblings from failed attempts from a shit Pale Being parent. It's like pottery, it rhymes.

>>542225145
Do you really believe there weren't any other failed prototypes before Phantom? They're too mad to be Phantom's projections. I think they're like Silk ghosts we see when playing Needolin, except they're animated because they're ghosts of Silk beings. Instead of Needolin's music it's Organ's music.

>>542225204
>There are no bugd sustaining the Citadel's song
The Citadel had become completely automated thanks to the Architects. The core is still working to that effect, with the melody only weakening because of disrepair.

Yuri game of the year

>>542225516
So Citadel's OST is diegetic?

>>542225462
Can you not admit that stylistically what Phantom is wearing is intended to evoke a dinner jacket and trousers, akin to what the actual Phantom of the Opera wears?

I don't think that's a controversial thing to say.

>>542225516
The citadel is falling apart with nobody actively sustaining it anymore though. The Twelfth Architect fucking dies in Act 2 if you buy her stuff and she makes it clear she'll be the last one.

>>542225579
>Yuri
>Posts R63

>>542225271
If she is fully conscious then I can't make sense of a shitload of her actions.

>>542225591
To an extent I guess. Karmelita's also singing her theme music.

>>542225685
Yes, but the core is still working and it's full of automatons still doing repairs and basic tasks. Sure, the melody is breaking down and eventually will stop completely, which is why GMS is slowly waking up. But what I am saying is if her goal was waking up fully and she was conscious why not having a bunch of haunted bugs smash everything in the core so that the melody breaks down completely now instead of eventually?

>>542225687
uhmnnnnnn nyot think so anyon, it's the artist style. Look up his feed.

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Is the Queen of the Hive some sort of mother for Hornet? Or more like an aunt?

>>542225409
I stg, I'm fucking tired of this cancerous runback.

how are they so perfect?

>>542225918
Just dont die on it, its really not a hard boss.

>>542226140
I think I'm just druk, and my jump responses are delayed.

>>542225409
Personally I defeated them, but I never figured out how to dodge that rotating double tornado attack.
>I'm on the left side
>Attack sweeps from the left to right
>Okay, dashing/sprinting to the right
>Attack continues to rotate upwards
>Okay, jump and hover
>Attack continues to rotate upwards
>Okay, double jump and hover
>Attack continues to rotate upwards
>WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT FROM ME, I CAN'T FLY

>>542225867
>But what I am saying is if her goal was waking up fully and she was conscious why not having a bunch of haunted bugs smash everything in the core so that the melody breaks down completely now instead of eventually?
That just backs up what I'm saying though. The citadel is no longer sustaining her slumber spell. She's going to wake up regardless of what the automatons are doing. If they were an active threat she would have gotten rid of them with her haunted puppets already.

Actually now that I'm thinking about it, is she why the Vaultkeeper Pontiff died? That dude probably knew way too much about the Citadel's purpose.

>>542226313
Clawline to the other half of the arena, moving over the top of the dancers themselves who are stationary in the centre.

>>542226313
Jump and clawline/dash over them

>>542226313
Go up and over the top you silly boy

>>542226331
I don't know anon, she is described as desperate to wake up. I don't see her going "eh, eventually the citadel will completely break down, I'm fine waiting" as much coherent with her actions.

>>542226331
>Actually now that I'm thinking about it, is she why the Vaultkeeper Pontiff died? That dude probably knew way too much about the Citadel's purpose.
She's why 99% of the citadel died.

>>542226402
>>542226415
>>542226435
>clawline
Aside from double tornado there's a tornado cocoon that surrounds them, I'm just supposed to throw myself right into the meat-grinder?

>>542226585
You do know that you can harpoon empty air, right? You don't need to aim at a hoop or enemy.

>>542226458
But thats what she's been doing for years and years and years though, its not like her plan just started recently. If the Citadel was actively keeping her sustained by the time Hornet shows up still why wouldnt she be doing something about it? The Citadel bugs are under her control and the place is filled with cobwebs and corpses. If what you're saying is true she should be beseiging the clockwork core and the underworks to fuck things up. But instead we are given the impression that the current state of the Citadel is meaningless to actively keeping her contained anymore.

>>542226708
Wait for an AMA and try to ask for finer details about how the sealing worked I guess.

>>542226585
Go OVER them bro. Is this your first game where an enemy sits stationary in the middle of the screen and does a circular laser attack?

So did he just come out of the egg and die? Why wouldnt he have fought back against his sister's kidnappers?

GMS strikes me as a tragic, depressed character rather than one who was itching to break free of her cocoon and unleash wrath on everyone who had been keeping her there. She was resigned to her fate in that cocoon, she was sad that her daughters had betrayed her, along with her subjects in Pharloom's upper echelons. From her sadness, a lot of bad shit was happening outside the cocoon passively, as a result of her silk being woven into everything.

I guess what's not clear in that characterisation is why she would attack Hornet when challenged. I always thought it would make more sense for GMS to take a curious interest in Hornet. Random bugs can tell Hornet's high-born heritage, surely GMS can also tell. Moreover, can she not also tell that Hornet is her granddaughter?

>>542226663
>>542226795
Double jump is not enough to go over them. You can wall-jump, but I don't really remember if there was enough time to reach the opposite wall.

>>542227050
They're not co-joined twins, Anon. He might have been on the opposite end of the kingdom when she was captured.

>>542227056
>and unleash wrath on everyone who had been keeping her there.
Isn't her motif running through the whole game straight up Day Of Wrath? Wrath is very much in the nature of ms "pretty on the outside, beast on the inside".

>>542227059
For every jump you do, you then have a dash you can do, a clawline you can do, and a double jump you can do. In any order. This is more than enough to get you from one side of the arena to the other.

To say nothing of floating, which resets your clawline from 0 to 1.

>>542226261
Ok, it wasn't as bad as I though. Only 2 phases. I really was just too druk to function.

>>542227059
You can get up over them with plenty of time, go look up true ending speedruns and watch the fight if you aren't comprehending how.

>>542227163
Why would he just fuck off to be alone instead of hanging out with his sister. Its not like he had shit to do.

>>542227179
I mean the whole running Dies irae music motif thing seems to hint that a day of judgment is imminent.

>>542226708
>If what you're saying is true she should be beseiging the clockwork core and the underworks to fuck things up.
Yeah, exactly. Which is why I don't believe her to be fully conscious

>>542227056
I don't remember who says it, but I distinctly remember her being described as desperate to wake up.

Also

>They see your beauty, so frail and fine,
>They see your peace, woven of faith and toil,
>They forget your heart, bound in slumber and servitude,
>When you wake they shall see your truth,
>A beast's nature bare to all.
- From 'Pharloom’s Folly' by the Conductor Romino

>>542227446
You're contradicting yourself. She wasn't conscious enough to free herself, and yet she was conscious enough to personally do shitton of complicated silk-child experiments, assign Phantom to Exhaust Organ, impress Hornet with co-ordination of her capturing team, etc?

>>542227437
>Its not like he had shit to do.
He very much would have shit to do as royalty in wrangling the population fresh out of the infection. Also unpacking the centuries of torture in a world without therapists means a lot of going somewhere quiet to brood. You could make a thousand good reasons for him to be far away from Hornet at the time.

>>542227446
Her plans seem too precise for me to think she's not mostly aware of whats going on. She had Weaver hunting parties going outside Pharloom. If she was really being actively constrained by the Citadel she would have ended it with her puppets. Instead we see plenty of Haunted bugs still toiling away at their meaningless work. I think its clear she doesnt see the Citadel's purpose as a threat anymore, or she'd be doing stuff like trying to kill the Twelfth Architect.

Is there any hard evidence that Pale King didn't know about Soul Sanctum's experiments and was against it?

Huh...wait a minute, is this body where you get the wreath of purity in putrified ducts from one of the Pinstress sisters? I didn't pay this attention before.

>>542228034
>She had Weaver hunting parties going outside Pharloom.
This is what I don't understand. Those bugs are a part of the hivemind. Then why would they write plans on the boards and orders in the scrolls? They're controlled by Silk, they don't need any of this shit. Is Silk obsessed with playing with dolls and make them roleplay or something?

>>542227707
I don't think it was her who assigned Phantom to the Exhaust Organ. Why would she do that regardless of conscious state? It was probably the conductors. The Silk child experiment as said I see her doing that instinctually.

If she is fully conscious then why all the haunted bugs are trying to kill you while you try to reach the place where she wanted to bring you in the first place?

>>542227639
>I don't remember who says it, but I distinctly remember her being described as desperate to wake up.
That was Hornet's journal entry for her
>Monarch of Pharloom, and the primal source of Silk.
>Heart of the Haunting, long lulled to slumber and desperate to wake. The higher being’s threads stretched throughout Pharloom, snaring its bugs and driving them to madness and discord.
Of course gotta keep in mind that everything in the journal is Hornet's opinion on things rather than objective truth.

>>542228076
Soul Master's dialogue post Soul Tyrant boss say something like "But the King opposed everything I did" or something similar. Personally I thought Soul Master didnt go full on with the soul stuff until after the Hollow Knight plan failed and the King vanished, because otherwise it makes the Pale King look like like a really ignorant dipshit.

aight, time for the crusty kang. Guess I'll see how it goes. Apparently it will be a slog due to his high HP. But still. Let's see how my druk ass fares.

>>542228168
Yep, there's even a destroyed balloon house.

>>542228034
>Her plans seem too precise for me to think she's not mostly aware of whats going on
Also how the Caretaker is scared of making even stray comments in private talks for fear of her catching wind of it.
>>542228170
She still really, really likes things running in an ordered fashion I guess. Like how every joint seems to still keep up their work quotas post-haunting.

>>542228209
So it seems King tacitly approved more subtle soul experiments with bugs who died naturally or who had terminal illness (otherwise "Soul Sanctum" wouldn't even exist as a structure), but explicitly forbid mass-sacrifices?

>>542228303
and a pin
huh, I wonder if they're actually all originally from Bilewater or something. The natives there fight similarly annoyingly to the Pinstress, this one looks like them, and they've all got them noses

>>542228168
Yeah they're both revealed to be Stilkins.

Goes some way to explaining why Pinstress fights like such a coward, despite her big talk.

>>542228405
They could always be experimenting with their own souls or passively gathering it like the snails did with their mounds or the totems. He doesn't have to approve a few human sacrifices for the group to get off the ground.

>>542228327
>She still really, really likes things running in an ordered fashion I guess
It was all shallow appearances, tho. Everything was falling apart, nothing was maintained properly. Nothing long-term.

>>542228273
>he doesn't know

>>542228459
>like the snails did
I dunno about Hallownest Snails, but Pharloom snails explicitly used live sacrifices of pilgrims and other sapients.

>>542228527
Guess I'm bouta found out. But I love finding out.

Unless you talking about a gauntlet beforehand. At this point, is what it is

>>542228561
The Hallownest snails softened up enough that they outright forgot about shit like the Soul Eater charm. I'd assume that the Pharloom ones never got the chance to do that and a long list of reasons to build up soul stockpiles.

>>542228180
Are you familiar with the horror game Siren? The enemies in that game are part of a weird alien hivemind thing but are still carrying out their daily lives and even retain some hobbies and mannerisms from when they were normal. I figured the Haunting was something similar - the threads are pulling what is already there and the bugs are just functioning on autopilot. Thats why you see pilgrims talking to one another sometimes, or why they are still working - the silk has warped them to the tasks GMS deems fit but there are parts of them (the parts that dont interfere with her will) that come through. What did Pavo say? "For some bugs, to be connected to something greater may seem a wonder. To myself, it now seems a horror." He says now, but maybe while connected to him it was a wondrous experience to feel her connection, like a plesant note being strummed in your mind. After all, Hornet's dialogue to the fleas and the caretaker suggest that it is natural for bugs to submit to a greater force. Maybe if you just "accept" her haunting you can still function somewhat normally.

>>542228564
You think you know what a pre-boss gauntlet is.

I think that most bugs victim of the haunting are controlled in a subconscious way, and while GMS can assume direct control i n some way she isn't most of the time. There are all the bugs in the deep docks that still follow their foreman instructions even if those instructions are more instinctive than logical, and the Forge Daughter comment that everyone is still doing their jobs even if in a more simple way which also points to the haunted bugs running on autopilot

>>542228693
Is it better or worse than High Gauntlet with NINE FUCKING PHASES?

>>542228774
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>542228774
>he
>doesnt
>know

HK3: Void Civilization
Plot Twist: Void Civilization never went extinct. They just became one with the void and live in the void ocean. The first layer of it, anyway, there's further Dense Void Ocean in the depths (inspired by Brine Pools from IRL).

>>542228874
I would really love a third game to take place in an actual functioning civilizarion, just one that is alien and evil in purpose that we have to overthrow. Who knows, maybe thats what they're setting up with the City of Steel.