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Anonymous No.542392327 >>542392539 >>542450849 >>542473728 >>542558040
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>INFORMATION & GUIDES
Wiki: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Game
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Lore: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Lore
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Bug tracker: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota2-Gameplay/issues
X: https://x.com/dota2

>STATISTICS
https://dota2protracker.com/
https://dotabuff.com
https://opendota.com
https://stratz.com
https://stats.spectral.gg
Personal game data: https://steamcommunity.com/my/gcpd/

>ESPORTS
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Esports
https://datdota.com
https://dota2.com/esports
https://gosugamers.net/dota2

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Anonymous No.542392539
>>542392327 (OP)
based
Anonymous No.542392954 >>542393343
Anonymous No.542393180 >>542393991 >>542394694 >>542557224
Anonymous No.542393343 >>542393694 >>542395443 >>542396794 >>542406143 >>542411074
>>542392954
ee carried that
Anonymous No.542393457 >>542393736 >>542393930 >>542397875 >>542399520
How do I go pro?
Anonymous No.542393694 >>542458232
>>542393343
>minute 35
>pos6 WD has Wand + Brown Boots + Bracer
Classic PPD.
Anonymous No.542393695 >>542393903 >>542491221
Is there a hero that falls off harder than necro?
He stops being a hero after 30 minutes, would rather have a hotd creep as a teammate
Anonymous No.542393736
>>542393457
Get good and get noticed
Anonymous No.542393903
>>542393695
Visage
Anonymous No.542393930
>>542393457
watch rizpol
Anonymous No.542393991
>>542393180
bratty girl
Anonymous No.542394103 >>542394694
Buff Hoodwink
Anonymous No.542394694 >>542395252
>>542393180
nobody likes this character
>>542394103
nobody likes this character
Anonymous No.542395252
>>542394694
Everybody likes these characters
Anonymous No.542395443
>>542393343
>sharteezy
Anonymous No.542396794 >>542397027 >>542397072 >>542462585
>>542393343
Anyone remembers what necro aghs did back then?
Anonymous No.542397027 >>542397378
>>542396794
Disabled buyback
They need to add it again
Anonymous No.542397072 >>542397378
>>542396794
disabled buyback and i believe also buffed dmg slightly
Anonymous No.542397378
>>542397027
>>542397072
One thing i miss about battle.net is that you could have trivia bot in the channel for example. That would be so cool if we could have it in the gulag channel in game.
Anonymous No.542397875 >>542403969
>>542393457
Dota 16 hours everyday
Anonymous No.542399520
>>542393457
Make a team and grind out open Qualifiers

If you get to closed Qualifier then grind those out
Anonymous No.542403969 >>542404364 >>542404383 >>542454731
>>542397875
theb why isn't gorgc a pro
Anonymous No.542404364
>>542403969
did you know OG was considering getting gorgc instead of ana for carry before ti8?
Anonymous No.542404383 >>542406895
>>542403969
gorgc is a balkan lowlife who's more happy and satisfied being an average nobody because it gives him a sense of superiority over his family who worked like horses all their lives and never amounted to 10% of what he gets by doing absolutely nothing but being a subhuman
Anonymous No.542404568 >>542407008
Honestly Jugg is strong but I still think Ursa and Naix are stronger when it comes to melee carries
Even Troll is up there
Anonymous No.542405153
I'm a cent, bb, timber, tide kind of guy
Anonymous No.542406143 >>542406426
>>542393343
why did EE anandon us for day trading twitter
Anonymous No.542406426 >>542406758
>>542406143
for dem fat stacks
fat stacks = bitches
bitches = a lot of sex with different women
different women = harem
we all love harems
Anonymous No.542406758
>>542406426
A man is meant to take onebwife, anon
Anonymous No.542406895 >>542415282 >>542415785
>>542404383
>balkan lowlife
he's s*edish though
Anonymous No.542407008 >>542420019
>>542404568
why people refuse to buy aghs for jugg? you're completely useless without it, i always go for treads>maelstorm>yasha>aghs>manta>mjolnir 90% WR
Anonymous No.542407332 >>542407804 >>542409619 >>542557346
Gaben please bring it back, I missed it...
Anonymous No.542407804 >>542408132
>>542407332
how do i get a gf who looks like that
Anonymous No.542408132 >>542408213 >>542408409 >>542409619
>>542407804
Anonymous No.542408213 >>542408708
>>542408132
russian or ukranian women are so beautiful...
Anonymous No.542408230
Why are there so many blue people in this game?
Anonymous No.542408409
>>542408132
she's not blue...
Anonymous No.542408708 >>542408761 >>542409619
>>542408213
What about Chinese?
Anonymous No.542408761 >>542409003
>>542408708
ew ew ew ewwwww
Anonymous No.542409003 >>542409048 >>542409306
>>542408761
what's wrong with asian women
they are all attractive, easy, and submissive
Anonymous No.542409048
>>542409003
yeah okay average dota 2 pro player
Anonymous No.542409086 >>542409454
why are pros picking pudge again dotards?
Anonymous No.542409306
>>542409003
>submissive
kek
Anonymous No.542409454
>>542409086
funny hook
Anonymous No.542409619 >>542409850 >>542411708
>>542407332
>>542408132
>>542408708
If they bring it back and I get the skin I will play her as support if I have to, I don't care if I go down 1k mmr for it.
Anonymous No.542409850
>>542409619
Don't forget to get the cosmetic that gives her abs.
Anonymous No.542410679
>back to tier 1 dota tournaments every week soon
yikes the scene is so fucked
bring back majors
Anonymous No.542411074
>>542393343
>6 obs in 35 min
>2 sentries in 35 min
>124 gpm
>blink first slark
god dota used to be so ass
Anonymous No.542411105 >>542411185
pudge 0-4 in finals lol
is this hero even good?
Anonymous No.542411154
crystallis ganking abaddon kek
Anonymous No.542411185 >>542412989
>>542411105
Ask my Russian teammates, they keep picking it whenever it isn't banned.
Anonymous No.542411708 >>542412216 >>542412949 >>542413289
>>542409619
She's one of the least viable heroes in the game as a support. I've tried to come up with a build, but I haven't figured out anything.
Anonymous No.542412216
>>542411708
You build her exactly the same as carry with one point in silence.
Anonymous No.542412682
Where is mason, haven't seen him streaming in a while
Anonymous No.542412949 >>542413380 >>542414261
>>542411708
hmmm what hero would be worse? shadow fiend maybe.
Anonymous No.542412989
>>542411185
People pick pudge because they think if it's open the enemy will instapick it, most pudge pickers pick it because it's not banned not because they want to play it, they don't want to play against it.
Anonymous No.542413219 >>542413542
We getting an end of year event like Crownfall or nah?
Anonymous No.542413231
>swift slash is now jugg's ulti
>omni is now aghs
Jugg is now 100% meta viable
Anonymous No.542413289 >>542413436 >>542414724
>>542411708
>Aura that gives a big bonus of Agility to allies in a big AoE
>6 seconds AoE Silence that knocks back enemies away from your cores and also reveals invisible enemies for free once you get the Talent
>55% movement speed slow on every attack
>If you purchase Aghs, your Frost Arrows also reduce enemy healing
>Shard gives flying vision helping in teamfights and pushing highground

Drow really shouldn't be THAT bad of a support, when Terrorblade works as one. She should be much better than something like Anti-Mage or Spectre at the very least.
Anonymous No.542413380
>>542412949
ursa is comically bad as a pure support
Anonymous No.542413436
>>542413289
Gust always reveals invis heroes now from level 1, don't need talent.
Anonymous No.542413447 >>542426795
well heroic won
they won wallachia season first tournament of the year then they sucked rest of the year
Anonymous No.542413542 >>542413870
>>542413219
yeah
in deadlock
Anonymous No.542413870 >>542414210
>>542413542
For fuck sake, that game is already dead and was not even released yet.
Even if they made some battle royale out of it, it wouldn't even reach SMITE levels of player base.
Anonymous No.542414062
SA gods run dota now
Anonymous No.542414210 >>542414495
>>542413870
its been three months since the last update and its still got more daily players than SMITE did at it's peak
Anonymous No.542414261
>>542412949
ursa and lifestealer, probably troll too.
Anonymous No.542414495 >>542414905
>>542414210
Smite had a standalone installer for years not connected to steam, steam came years later, steamcharts only factors players that are playing on steam, they don't have the overall numbers.
It's like trying to judge Path of Exile playerbase by steamcharts, you can't because of PoE standalone installer.
Anonymous No.542414724
>>542413289
>aghs and frost arrows
You're going to get deleted the moment you try that shit. Ench gets away with right clicking because she's so hard to kill without any items.
Anonymous No.542414905
>>542414495
smite 2 doesn't have a launcher though
Anonymous No.542415282
>>542406895
Im atlantean then
Anonymous No.542415785 >>542416819
>>542406895
He lived in Sweden, then he moved to Denmark for a while during TI, not sure if he ever went back or stayed there.
I heard him speaking about nightclubs in Macedonia sometimes, maybe he is from there.
Anonymous No.542416819 >>542417102 >>542419674
>>542415785
one macedonian parent one swedish
pretty sure he's lived in sweden almost all his life but he moved recently to malta or soemthing
Anonymous No.542417102 >>542418812
>>542416819
Europeans usually live anywhere that has a better cost of living, it's usually EU citizenship/Schengen.
Or the retirees that have homes in one country but live somewhere else that has better weather.
Anonymous No.542418812 >>542419156
>>542417102
I have a real big reality cheque post in the barrel for groidcattle like you but idk if i should blogpost it comes off as meh just really baffled how uninformed and borderline dumb all that shit you wrote is.
Anonymous No.542419156 >>542419970
>>542418812
And I can go over hundreds of articles of Brits that don't live in Britain but rent homes there and live the entire year in Spain, Spainiards that only have homes there and rent them but live somewhere else, Finns that live in Portugal and so forth.
Anonymous No.542419674 >>542419816 >>542658021
>>542416819
forsen moved to malta
gorp lives in netherlands
Anonymous No.542419816 >>542419897
>>542419674
didnt gorgc break up with his girlfriend and move to malta? someone here wrote that.
Anonymous No.542419897
>>542419816
no it's forsen that lives in malta and gorp is discount forsen
Anonymous No.542419970 >>542420146
>>542419156
You're the embarrassing lil cousin at family get-togethers.
Anonymous No.542420019
>>542407008
Nobody asked for your dogshit build
Anonymous No.542420146 >>542420390
>>542419970
You are words on a screen, you don't even exist.
Anonymous No.542420390 >>542421109
>>542420146
Do some push ups to increase the bloodflow to your malfunctioning brain you'll grow out of it probably stupid little nerd talking about articles and shit lmao
Anonymous No.542420702 >>542421460 >>542422405
I like that the majority of "underdog"/"lesser privileged" heroes are carries (ex: juggernaut, ursa, troll, sven, riki, templar, sniper, kez and so on) whilst most heroes who come from backgrounds of Gods and powers beyond mortal comprehension are supports (io, ancient appart, bane, shadow demon, keeper of the light, oracle)
thx for reading
Anonymous No.542421109 >>542422249
>>542420390
I am not some dyel on welfare like yourself that needs to do bodyweight exercises, go check yourself.
Anonymous No.542421460
>>542420702
Elder Titan is another example of one of the most powerful heroes lore-wise being a support. Weaver, CK, Arch Warden, etc. are (usually) cores though.
Anonymous No.542422249
>>542421109
Probably take me 5 seconds to switch kick your head off your neck article reading little nerd i'll check you right into the cemetery sleepin with the fishes ass nigga
Anonymous No.542422405
>>542420702
it's because carries mostly just hits enemies which is beneath godlike beings
Anonymous No.542426724
sex with hoodwink
Anonymous No.542426782
helenalive looks depressed
what's going on
Anonymous No.542426795 >>542426828
>>542413447
they should have win going up against a bunch of teams with new rosters
Anonymous No.542426828
>>542426795
they got a new roster too kinda
Anonymous No.542427015 >>542428746
naga is free wins in turbo
Anonymous No.542427527 >>542427623
>its now been 6 months since the last update
i hate valve so much
Anonymous No.542427623 >>542428882
>>542427527
We had a patch like 2 weeks ago, you didn't like the +1 armor for brewmaster?
Anonymous No.542428746 >>542429036
>>542427015
she isn't even in the top
Anonymous No.542428882
>>542427623
>The meta carry hero can easily win 1v3's roughly 20 minutes in
>Not to worry, fellow gamers. We raised Chen's INT by 2 points!
Anonymous No.542429036 >>542429274
>>542428746
Is Snapfire really not good in Turbo? Can't you get level 25 + damage items and annihilate everything with her Shredder?
Anonymous No.542429101
remember when luna+khanda+2 attacks on nuke talent?
Anonymous No.542429274 >>542429525
>>542429036
She even has 2% lower winrate in Turbo. I imagine playing around that potential still ends up weak. Like isn't that still just bad gyro?
Anonymous No.542429525
>>542429274
Her advantage is that she can skip all attack speed and go pure damage (Desolator, Daedalus, Rapier) so she has higher damage potential but yea she needs level 25 while Gyro doesn't.
Anonymous No.542431813 >>542432757
Ah yes, I do love when the 71k net worth Viper gets Helm of the Undying.
Anonymous No.542432730
inhouse?
Anonymous No.542432757
>>542431813
Why are they waiting for 7.40 to remove it? Just do it right now. Literally right now, only it and nothing else. What are the downsides and imbalance implications that will arise from that?
Anonymous No.542433130 >>542433767 >>542434986
>hurr why are tier 5 neutrals so clowny and op!!

thats the fking point
Anonymous No.542433138
>Start taking a shit
>Some tiny pebble logs plop out and make delicate splashes
>Waiting and waiting. Trying to relax and let go, reading about 19th century history of Ohio
>Finally it arrives. The reason I'm here. I could feel it brewing two hours ago
>Bear down a bit despite myself trying to get locked and loaded
>Turd must be literally four inches wide and is hard as stone. Cannot be passed
>Sphincter has totally expanded and then re-fitted snugly around the object

Looks like I'm gonna be here a while. I could probably either grunt it out or back down completely but neither option seems respectful enough to the situation. This one, I'm gonna stare down, straight in its eyes. It's me or him. No letting off the gas.
Anonymous No.542433767 >>542434113
>>542433130
They didn't use to be so unbalanced
Anonymous No.542434113 >>542435273
>>542433767
>he doesnt remember ballista
Anonymous No.542434986 >>542436840
>>542433130
>super close back and forth game goes to minute 60
>enemy pos1 and pos2 get helm of the undying while mine don't because lmao rng
>lose
Is the point that if the in-game clock reaches minute 60 the game tosses a coin and decides if I get a win or -25 through no input of any player in the game?
Anonymous No.542435273
>>542434113
I do, I just tried to always have the 1100 range Viper or Silencer on my team
Anonymous No.542436147 >>542436361 >>542438382 >>542439172
I'm trying to play Marci support, do I type "pos4" in chat before the match starts or is there a common accepted way of communicating positions? Last match I had someone confused about this, also is support not meant to leave all farm to the carry and just deny or do I take some too?
Anonymous No.542436361
>>542436147
role queue?
Anonymous No.542436840
>>542434986
Only one in a hundred games will be "super close" the entire length of the game. Play around powerspikes and you'll naturally end up taking advantage.
Anonymous No.542437458 >>542437549
Why haven't they deleted Tinker from the game yet? They deleted Techies, Tinker is more annoying than Techies ever was
Anonymous No.542437549 >>542437610
>>542437458
they did delete refresh items tinker
Anonymous No.542437610
>>542437549
He's still obnoxious and overpowered with no counterplay
Anonymous No.542438382
>>542436147
u mark the enemy woods u idiot
Anonymous No.542439172
>>542436147
Supports are usually the ones taking all the farm. That's why they are called supports, because they are supposed to be supported. Dotards are pretty dumb and valve has to explicitly state a lot of things about the game to them.
Anonymous No.542439538 >>542440559 >>542442552
why is rtz playing cs...
Anonymous No.542440559 >>542440726
>>542439538
what's wrong with cs
Anonymous No.542440726 >>542440871 >>542440925
>>542440559
i like dota
Anonymous No.542440871
>>542440726
oh, okay
that's fair
Anonymous No.542440925
>>542440726
hes been streaming for 7 hours
Anonymous No.542442552
>>542439538
he's the next donk
Anonymous No.542446203 >>542446534
https://x.com/Blitz_DotA/status/1977522758322893173

LMAOOOO
$5K to DM blitz and talk shit, pretty based ngl
Anonymous No.542446534
>>542446203
lmao at the "advice"
Anonymous No.542447519 >>542449221
>aprox 30 pauses per game
>russ eu players yet to fix their internet
gotta love coming back to this shithole every 2 years. so will this ever change or it the new tip mechanic+waste of everyone's time?
Anonymous No.542449221
>>542447519
players should actually be banned for continuous queuing despite bad internet problems
they're just wasting peoples' time and making the game unfun for everyone, and the game likely isn't fun for them as well so why tf do they queue in the first place????
fix your internet and then play the game, i dont get why this is so difficult
Anonymous No.542450045 >>542451151
lpq is so much better than real games, what gives? it almost makes me want to grief more so i can have a higher rate of sentient teammates that actually care about the outcome of a given match
Anonymous No.542450849 >>542455192
>>542392327 (OP)
about 4-5 months ago i lost all faith in my ability to carry. i just didnt believe i can carry. i stopped playing carry. this is from a lifetime position 1 spammer. i just didnt believe it was possible

during these dark times, i literally lost all confidence in my ability to play position 1. and i just playing bunnymaxxer (clockwerk hare of the cogs) and venge

i gained like 600 mmr or something, and climbed well into divine. these two are my saviors. they dont may not mean much to you, but to me they saved me in my darkest time. im now back to being confident in my pos 1. but these 2 just mean so much to me
Anonymous No.542451061 >>542453841 >>542668731
>jubei quit streaming
Yet another astronaut american pushed out by rampant racism in dota
right click wilow enjoyer No.542451151
>>542450045
coz lpq players are whipped to behave thats why
Anonymous No.542453841
>>542451061
>american
jubei lives in oshawa
Anonymous No.542453960 >>542454083
somebody post pugna
Anonymous No.542454083
>>542453960
Anonymous No.542454731
>>542403969
He tried to be pro this year.
But he threw his chances away by playing pos 1 Axe in open quals and losing.
Anonymous No.542455192 >>542456320 >>542467418
>>542450849
How do you have positive winrate with Clock? I love playing him but I have like 40% winrate. Partly because I can't do shit lategame and partly because my teammates never react quickly enough to gank people out of position or anticipate free kills so I'm just solo ganking and failing to kill and 30 seconds later the gank victim's teammates show up to help them while my teammates just watch uninterested. Feel like a wave-pushing hook bot.
Anonymous No.542456320
>>542455192
bunnymaxxer shines between lvl 6 and 11. after that he's just food for anyone who does any damage

once he's 6 he's the most dangerous hero in the game for like 5 to 10 minutes. there is where you will make the most impact

you want to shave smokes and stay off the map. you dont need last hits forget about those. you last hit heros not creeps. if you have ult up, you stay off the map, and go camp people or hunt them. hookshot + 1 teammate is usually a dead hero

bully carries, get kills, win the map. simply you beingg off the map creates tons of pressure because they dont know where you are and are scared. only farm creeps if your ult is on cd AND you just got a kill. bunnymaxxer doesnt hit creeps

in late game, you ideally want to hookshot bkb people, drop cogs, and scadaddle. you want like shard or forcestaff (i hate forcestaff but its good). you just want to drop your cogs like a turd and insta-leave. glimmer is good too

cool item strats on clock:
if you are having a good game early and have good farm, you can rush a orchid. this is REALLY good against qop or any of the spirits (void spirit, earth spirit, ember spirit, storm spirit). or really any hero with an escape mechanism like dark seer or whatnot. an earmy orchid against heros with escape mechanism is REALLY opressive and ruins their game so much

blademail is not a good item honestly unless theres lots of passive aoe damage, like luna or lesh or something

bunnymaxxer shines early. he's like a woman. once he gets old he's no good. you want to pressure and take over the map in the early to mid game

i love bunnymaxxer
i think cogs are better than q imo. lvl 3 cogs is imo when this hero spikes in powerlevel, and if you can get 2 or 3 bounces off cogs, then it sort of makes that hero a non-factor
Anonymous No.542456553 >>542456661
Drawfags?
Anonymous No.542456661 >>542457672
>>542456553
im almost done hibernating
Anonymous No.542457672 >>542457858
>>542456661
How can you be hibernating during a literal genocide?
Anonymous No.542457858 >>542457969
>>542457672
eepy
Anonymous No.542457969
>>542457858
Need more lolipugna drawings NOW
Anonymous No.542458232
>>542393694
I hope Peter didn't lose it all with the crypto crash like those kids did
Anonymous No.542458743
What kind of lineup would you want the OD healing facet against? I feel like it rarely does anything
Anonymous No.542462585 >>542462839
>>542396794
disabled buyback. Give me my spectator stick back, valve
Anonymous No.542462839
>>542462585
when icefraud had BALLS to do things in this game instead of the +1 -1 changes we've been getting for the last 4 years
Anonymous No.542466118
damn its getting so bad for OG this nigga notail had to come out of retirement and actually play
Anonymous No.542467418
>>542455192
NTA but play him offlane
Anonymous No.542467731
The worst kind of players are those like Gunnar that just whines and micromanages the team all the time, talking in a bitchy tone
Anonymous No.542467784 >>542468148 >>542471909
>romanian antimage in my game
Owari da
Anonymous No.542468148
>>542467784
there was an am in my game a few minutes agowho fed his fucking brains out and sperged out about how it was qop's fault

shit was so funny
Anonymous No.542471909
>>542467784
Update: we lost the game, he greeded to kill a support after buybacks.
Anonymous No.542472914 >>542473585 >>542473703 >>542473751 >>542479227 >>542485116
>play pos 5 like a pro player this game, everything went right with my plays, we dumpstered the lane
>wards/dewards, smokes, gem, pulls, stacks, runes, calls, etc play out of my mind like I've never did before
>warn the carry that he is farming alone in an area where they warded
>he gets ganked and dies
>"I told you so bro"
>he has a meltdown and just abandons the game
The ego of these fucking dog carries is fucking amazing. The second I reprimand him of a single bad play he did he instantly leaves. I carried his fucking lane and game without a peep and the second his little ego gets bruised he leaves. This is fucking divine MMR how are players still like this?
Anonymous No.542473585
>>542472914
They're called carrytrannies for a reason
Anonymous No.542473703
>>542472914
It's like that at every MMR in ranked and unranked. The other day my rubick got ulted by a pudge and I blinked in on AM to fish for the bash. I got it and me and the rubick dodged the bloodseeker silence followup, flanked, and won the teamfight.

And my first thought was, "LOL no AM would do that for me when I play support." Better to play carries and just start buying wards if your support goes full retard.
Anonymous No.542473728
>>542392327 (OP)
sometimes I just want to
>CEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEB
Anonymous No.542473751
>>542472914
>divine
That's the mental institute MMR, get out of there ASAP.
Anonymous No.542475253
The game just told me I failed to ready up when someone else refused the match??? That's a nice bug osfrog.
Anonymous No.542477361 >>542478575
>play zeus
>try to stack a camp
>it's a wolf camp
>use Q
>they stay in place instead of leave the camp
???
Anonymous No.542477369 >>542477982
>had to go out get some soup
>saw a bunch of subhumans while waiying for my order
>day ruined
Anonymous No.542477982
>>542477369
That was just your reflection in the glass bro
Anonymous No.542478575
>>542477361
Wolves have no respect for susse
Anonymous No.542479227 >>542480124 >>542480567
>>542472914
you either need a shitton of patience or you need to switch to playing core and buy wards if your suppcucks are retarded
>i won offlane as pos 4, i stacked, i warded
>the ursa that lost miserably in lane rapes us midgame
>our AM has no bkb 35 minutes in and he just gets pudged before every team fight starts
Anonymous No.542480124 >>542480567 >>542480593
>>542479227
That shit doesnt work, you need to play mid with a hero that could hard carry while being your own support.
Think brood, sf, lina, qop, necro, storm etc. You cant outfarm your team feeding so best you could do you skirmish sacks of gold off your enemies and praying they overplay their hand.
Anonymous No.542480567 >>542481525
>>542479227
>>542480124
You must also remember the reality of forced 50. Sometimes you will lose even on your best hero even if you dominate mid and rotate to win safelane as well. Even if you go 25-4-23 you will sometimes lose, because matchmaking will purposefully give you the four dumbest motherfuckers in the entire world on purpose to keep your winrate closer to 50%. You can have an answer to every hero on the enemy team, and their mid and safelane can be complete dogshit morons, and they will still hit level 25 while your entire team runs 1/4 K/D and sits at level 17.

At every skill level Dota 2 keeps track of people who are indecisive morons with poor decision making skills who would have 20% winrate in an honest system and dumps them into your game if you win too many in a row. Your ability to detrench is somewhat based on how well you can realize this and not get tilted for future games after you finish your guaranteed loss.
Anonymous No.542480593
>>542480124
I'm thinking of picking up sf mid but I have a hard time shadowrazing well.
Anonymous No.542481480 >>542481527 >>542484956
is there anything more soul crushing than being perma ganked as pos1 with no intervention from your pos3 just for him to keep afk farming your jungle putting you even further behind? All while the enemy team is hunting you
Anonymous No.542481525 >>542481845
>>542480567
schizomoment
Anonymous No.542481527
>>542481480
cucky
Anonymous No.542481845 >>542482004
>>542481525
Sure, all 10,000+ posts in the /vg/ archive about forced 50 are schizos.
Start checking profiles in your games man, that's all I can tell you. If you win too many you will get matched with people who are objectively worse and have objectively less games than the other team. To an extent that is not accounted for by variations in MMR. We've known this for 12+ years.
Anonymous No.542482004
>>542481845
>Sure, all 10,000+ posts in the /vg/ archive about forced 50 are schizos.
an extremely accurate statement
correlation does not equal causation
Anonymous No.542482394 >>542483237 >>542483625 >>542483915 >>542485353
How to play faceless void hard carry? I see high mmr players rush helm of dom but I've been playing around with him a bit in demo and the hero feels like he does no dmg until he has like 4 items
Anonymous No.542483237 >>542483385
>>542482394
you have a 4 seconds spell with a 135sec cd during which you have to do all your damage, good luck
Anonymous No.542483385 >>542483915
>>542483237
yh I dont get it, are you a hard carry that just sets up for your teammates spells cause you aint bursting anyone in chrono in todays dota
Anonymous No.542483625 >>542483915
>>542482394
Not many people can play void, most people that think they can are utter garbage and it shows instantaneously.
The hero requires perfect awareness and abuse of the ability to soak damage and reposition at will and even when you master these aspects you still need to bait very well in order to create a favourable teamfight which most people dont and thus waste chrono and wonder why they land 1 or 2 ppl chronos.
Time dilation is actually much worse than backtrack, much worse like dogshit spell compared to how strong void really was back in the day.
Anonymous No.542483915
>>542482394
Don't rush helm of dom unless you are high MMR. If you are under 5k, build MoM or Battlefury.
>>542483385
You are a hard carry that only works in games where no one drafts STR heroes or AGI heroes with good starting armor.
>>542483625
This anon basically nails it. Void is victim to a bunch of nerfs because at one point he was one of the most versatile carries in the game with insane lockdown, tankiness, and high base damage. At this point he's been damageless void for a very long time, so he is a niche pick AND you have to be good at him. If you really want to play him, learn how to fight without chrono. Chrono shouldn't usually be your initiation move, you should go into the fight and either use it as the "oh shit" button to save your teamfight, or drop it at the perfect time to screw up the enemy team's coordination, which takes practice to recognize.
Anonymous No.542484956
>>542481480
>is there anything more soul crushing
Yes, when its entirely due to your support farming instead of doing literally anything else. It makes you painfully aware how team dependent pos 1 is and immediately makes me consider playing pos 2 or 3.
Anonymous No.542485116 >>542486763
>>542472914
People generally don't respond well to "told you so!!" dickhead behaviour.
Anonymous No.542485353
>>542482394
dont buy helmdom, buy EITHER maelstrom into mjol OR mask of madness. with mask you have more early kill potential with ult while mael allows you to farm faster.
Anonymous No.542486763 >>542486905 >>542487801 >>542491261
>>542485116
>do what the better player is saying and win
>or throw a game because of your fee fees
Choose.
Anonymous No.542486798
after hundreds of matches in turbo in anon mode it dawned to me that everyone is awfully quiet because anon mode also serves as a partial mute button, and not because game is too fast to type or mode itself mutes everyone. and I say partial because shit that goes through the anon filter are death timers and death location pings, but never "missing qop, watch yo ass". also some people write on map instead of chat for which, again, I though was disabled for everyone. so I decided to turn it off temporarily. cyrilics, turkish "i"s and albanian flags everywhere, but what made me feel unironically retarded is that everyone is, surprise surprise, extremely obnoxious. and to think that turbotards, such as I, are based... I'm never turning this shit off again because everyone is an npc anyway. also it's about tiem I started looking into those bot mods.
Anonymous No.542486905 >>542486995
>>542486763
>same mmr
>better player
Anonymous No.542486995 >>542487058
>>542486905
yes
Anonymous No.542487058
>>542486995
illogical
Anonymous No.542487801 >>542488152
>>542486763
You aren't their coach. They don't want to hear it.
>Choose.
You guaranteed your loss by causing the tard to have a melty and abandon with your cunty comment.
Anonymous No.542488152 >>542488731 >>542490254
>>542487801
>defending a guy abandoning the game
post your dotabuff right fucking now
Anonymous No.542488682 >>542489034 >>542491584
From watching lots of streamers I've noticed something about most pos 1-2 players, they just afk farm ALL the time barely joining any team fights at all, at most they join it when it's "too late"
Then they start to bitch about the team how they suck and how they never play as 5.
Topson does this like every game he loses.
Anonymous No.542488731
>>542488152
>Dog does something stupid
>Throw rock at dog
>dog bites you
>"waaah why did it bite me and didn't just accept having rocks thrown at it!!!"
You KNOW retards are going to act like retards, yet still choose to take the worst action possible. That also makes you a retard and it's why you're stuck in divine with your fellow retards.
Anonymous No.542489034 >>542489423
>>542488682
topson is on a carry from mid kick thats what he's supposed to do with his shitty picks, if he was on something more conventional like spirits or invoker you'd see him look for more plays
Anonymous No.542489423 >>542489592
>>542489034
Yeah but he has no right complaining about team mates pick when he just does shitty meme picks.
It's just such an insecure thing to do
>haha if I win with my meme pick it's because I'm so good at the game!
>I lost? I didn't want to win anyways that's why I picked this meme pick :)))
Anonymous No.542489592 >>542489850
>>542489423
Topson is insecure as fuck even as a 2 times TI champion, see his wife, mutt kid, conversion, meme picks and twitch/youtube bots.
Anonymous No.542489758
It's funny how 9class never picks Topson despite them being teammates in the past.
Anonymous No.542489850 >>542489987 >>542490080
>>542489592
I think you're just a hater, topson doesnt come off as insecure at all
Anonymous No.542489987 >>542490073 >>542491342
>>542489850
NTA but yes he does. Like every time he complains about his team mate using the voice chat in game he makes a retarded voice, that's another sign of him being insecure and unable to just talk normally.
Anonymous No.542490073
>>542489987
really grasping at straws there
Anonymous No.542490080 >>542491539
>>542489850
>meme picks for like 4 games in a row
>loses all games
>starts picking a good hero (invoker)
He's seething.
Anonymous No.542490254 >>542490797
>>542488152
>demanding dotabuffs for discussions that don't need it
Thread bully behaviour.
Anonymous No.542490797 >>542490878
>>542490254
>basically admits to being crusader with 10k hours in the game
lol
Anonymous No.542490878 >>542491043
>>542490797
Thread bully confirmed.
Anonymous No.542491043 >>542491431
>>542490878
>being bullied by an anonymous poster in a peruan alpaca breeding forum
Nigger just close the thread and look away from the screen.
Anonymous No.542491221
>>542393695
nec with heart+aghs only falls upward at 30+ min
Anonymous No.542491261 >>542551042
>>542486763
Pause, furiously ping and spam the chat roulette laughs.
Anonymous No.542491342
>>542489987
you have autism
Anonymous No.542491431
>>542491043
This is why your comm score keeps dropping.
Anonymous No.542491539
>>542490080
>play meme heroes
>lose
>play good heroes
>win
what is the problem here?
Anonymous No.542491584
>>542488682
If you are playing pos1 and you do not join a favourable exchange when you totally could that is considered a big mistake, you will learn how to read situations by having better map observational skills and when that happens you will be able to judge how players like rtz and rice chinks are absolute dogshit compared to players like matumbaman, miracle, ana and many more actually fully functional nonsubhuman people.
Anonymous No.542491687 >>542491795 >>542491798 >>542491817 >>542492549 >>542493276 >>542501604
Are there any notable Clinkz players? It seems to me that he's the least loved ranged agility carry.
Anonymous No.542491795 >>542492198
>>542491687
Anonymous No.542491798
>>542491687
i remember yatoro picked it a couple of times last season
Anonymous No.542491817
>>542491687
ame
Anonymous No.542492198 >>542492514
>>542491795
But he doesn't play anymore.
Anonymous No.542492514
>>542492198
Just pretend to be him and your clinkz game would blow up overnight
Anonymous No.542492549 >>542492918 >>542493062 >>542497505
>>542491687
angry bald fat fuck
Anonymous No.542492918 >>542493012 >>542495243
>>542492549
but you dont even play clinkz
Anonymous No.542493012
>>542492918
id murder you irl
Anonymous No.542493062 >>542495243
>>542492549
Turn your mirror off playa
Anonymous No.542493276
>>542491687
I stopped playing him after the shart bomb. no orb walk=no business. blue woman=best ranger.
Anonymous No.542493331 >>542493673
I want to start playing techies
Anonymous No.542493673 >>542577909
>>542493331
I'm convinced that every techies "player" uses scripts to instantly deploy all 3 mines upon jump.
Anonymous No.542495243 >>542497505
>>542493062
>>542492918
Anonymous No.542495637
God I hate pos1
>your laning is completely dependant on your support
>you need your team to create some space to farm the jungle
>your retarded nigger teammates can still take the jungle camps that are close to you and put your behind
pos1 has some of the most fun heroes but the role is cancer dogshit
Anonymous No.542495795 >>542496634 >>542497529 >>542497595 >>542551491
Disruptor is the perfect hero to farm match MVP
Anonymous No.542496634
>>542495795
dazzle turbo
Anonymous No.542497371 >>542578093
>get 5 shadow poison stacks on enemy pos3 in lane and i need my pos1 to hit him twice and he'll die, my pos1 sees that the enemy is at 80% hp and backs off, resulting in enemy pos3 living and me committing half my hp and all my mana for nothing
>come to gank mid, my mid pings enemy shield rune in bottle and says no even though i'm a level 6 shadow demon
>we're chasing the enemy pos1, he's getting away so i disrupt and shadow poison on the disruption, we kill him and team is mad that he could have blinked after disruption ended and i almost saved him

I hate playing Shadow Demon so fucking much. In Immortal my own teammates have no fucking idea what this hero does. It's impossible to play.
Anonymous No.542497505
>>542495243
>>542492549
if he wanted a good behav score all he had to do was play turbo or continue to play ranked and unbind his chat/push to talk key
Anonymous No.542497529
>>542495795
>MVP
wd 99% of the time unless he sucks colossal dick the entire game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZYgqBp1gI
Anonymous No.542497595
>>542495795
Sky, you hit one flare kill and you are 100% mvp
Anonymous No.542498543 >>542498937 >>542499239
Juggernaut is a really strong hero, except for when I pick him. I was almost 6 slotted in my last jugger game and it felt like I was doing absolutely fucking nothing to the enemy team. His right click is strong as fuck supposedly, but I only managed to get kills with omnislash. Every time the enemy team picks Juggernaut it feels like my heroes turn into butter and I almost instantly get killed by him, but when I pick him and build damage items it feels like I do absolutely no damage at all no matter how many items I build.
Anonymous No.542498937
>>542498543
the grass is always greener
Anonymous No.542499189 >>542499665
german people are the worst dota players
Anonymous No.542499239
>>542498543
In the end he's squishy and can be kited so you can't efficiently just autoattack. So it often ends up like that.
Anonymous No.542499321 >>542500856
What's Mason's new Steam account?
Anonymous No.542499665
>>542499189
>german
>people
Anonymous No.542500856 >>542504574
>>542499321
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198249339462
Anonymous No.542501223
happy birthday
Anonymous No.542501604 >>542502038
>>542491687
Clinkz sucks right now which is why nobody plays him.
Anonymous No.542502038 >>542506750
>>542501604
Why did Xiao8 pick it in TI grand finals?
Anonymous No.542502491
gorgc just timed me out because he was mad bros
Anonymous No.542502646 >>542502739 >>542511768
>no canadian pro players
Anonymous No.542502739
>>542502646
Isn't Aui canadian?
Anonymous No.542502775 >>542502879 >>542503042 >>542511603
no racially canadian dota 2 players anyways
besides me
Anonymous No.542502879
>>542502775
sorry eh can you spare me some of that maple syrup eh
Anonymous No.542503042 >>542503227
>>542502775
Uhh, Bulba?
Anonymous No.542503227 >>542503496
>>542503042
american
Anonymous No.542503496
>>542503227
Indian
Anonymous No.542503768 >>542509646
playing this game is one of the only things i enjoy in life anymore, besides food, and sleeping
Anonymous No.542504574
>>542500856
why cant i find him on d2g?
Anonymous No.542505924 >>542578240
had to force a rosh call so my whole team can wipe and i can go next
Anonymous No.542506750
>>542502038
He's a bad drafter whose bad drafts lost him TI grand finals.
Anonymous No.542509646
>>542503768
Same
Anonymous No.542511603 >>542512018
>>542502775
>canadian
>race
Anonymous No.542511768
>>542502646
the ti winning captain was born in canada
Anonymous No.542512018 >>542512138
>>542511603
He means north injun
Anonymous No.542512138
>>542512018
immigrants all the same
Anonymous No.542513274 >>542516110
do we agree?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjlg8m_bcmc
Anonymous No.542514689 >>542515557 >>542516735
seriously why does both these items exist?
Anonymous No.542515557
>>542514689
one can be purchased at the secret shop
Anonymous No.542516110
>>542513274
you picked a really bad screenshot for that
Anonymous No.542516610 >>542516985 >>542517713 >>542520226
>pos1 jug, 7/0/6 or something like that
>pretty much a 1v5 game where my team is a bunch of meatbags whose biggest impact on the game is making the enemies attack them instead of me
>siege their safelane t2
>their pos3 aba is alone
>go on him to poke him a bit, there is no way I die, best case scenario I pop the ult
>my retarded nigger ns offlaner pops ult and all ins him
>the rest of their team helps him out, ns survives with 1 hp
>the rest of the team engages the fight, everyone dies
>I am still the last one to die
>my 5/8 pos5 lich flames me
>we respawn, enemy team sieges our safelane t2, I kill warlock, push the wave
>my team is, idk, either sitting afk or farming the jg around the t2, 3 enemies jump on me and kill me
>my subhuman nigger offlaner tips me
>before I respawn they engage a fight and all die since, surprise, Im the only person actually doing anything this game
I can understand a lot of things, but what's the reasoning behind flaming the only win condition of your team? What will tilting him achieve?

Lich had the lowest dmg in the game, NS had the 2nd lowest btw
Anonymous No.542516735
>>542514689
perseverance gives damage :) oh wait they flipped it for no reason
Anonymous No.542516985
>>542516610
Did the NightStalker purchase Shard at minute 15? If he doesn't you know he's retarded and can continue playing based on that information.
Anonymous No.542517713
>>542516610
It's because these faggots don't want to win. They'd rather lose and have someone to blame.
>Match isn't turning out so well
>No point in trying because [insert literally anyone else in the team] is fucking up.
Wait until you start doing party queues and you come across these discord trannies that die as a 3-stack and blame you for it.
Anonymous No.542520226
>>542516610
As a pos1 there are a couple of things I always keep in mind if I have retards on my team
>If I poke or mess with the enemy, there's a strong chance my squad of tards will full commit.
>Just because my teammates are nearby doesn't mean they will help me if I get jumped.
>They will 100% will start big fights before you respawn.
You have to adjust your gameplay to accommodate them unfortunately. Don't poke and play very safely until they start a fight so you can be sure you're alive when they do so.
Anonymous No.542525745
All the curio sets I received were bullshit sets from 2013/2014 that look like nothing was added to the hero
Anonymous No.542526181 >>542527214 >>542528383
what if they made an item that made it so you could self-deny? that would be kinda cool
Anonymous No.542526810 >>542527707 >>542528024
Had no idea TI 4 was During WW2
Anonymous No.542527214 >>542528383
>>542526181
that sounds good but there should be some sort of incentive to prevent people from spamming it, maybe stacking regen that gets reduced when you die or something
Anonymous No.542527707
>>542526810
How many more Internationals will there be?
Anonymous No.542527976 >>542530268
Remember when randoming gave you 200 gold? Honestly nuts that lasted as long as it did
Anonymous No.542528024 >>542528391
>>542526810
spend that pp nigger wtf
also
>vanilla
Anonymous No.542528383
>>542527214
>>542526181
maybe it could also give you shorter respawn
Anonymous No.542528391 >>542528682
>>542528024
im not even 10 hours in the game still learning.

i spend fuckton of hours on Stellaris and CK 2
Anonymous No.542528682 >>542534294
>>542528391
you are an aussie right? dont see any other reason as to why you would play australia, anyway their content is old af and just kinda shit
Anonymous No.542528821
Nice game dotards
Anonymous No.542529668 >>542529745
Redpill me on current Invoker
I need insight
t. spammer
Anonymous No.542529745 >>542589638 >>542597016
>>542529668
Wex good exort bad
Anonymous No.542530268 >>542531302
>>542527976
it's because it encouraged randoming which is griefing even with +200 gold.
Anonymous No.542531302
>>542530268
i wish they would at least bring back the full pool for randoming
Anonymous No.542531579 >>542532171 >>542532196
>character that was created years before league came out
>UH OH! GAYBEN CAUGHT STEALING AGAIN?? KEEEEEK
is this what its like being trans?
Anonymous No.542532171
>>542531579
???
Anonymous No.542532196
>>542531579
context?
Anonymous No.542532248 >>542532506 >>542532784 >>542533094 >>542534354 >>542539865
how come heroes who shoot bullets have the fastest projectiles in the game? youre telling me all these fantastical ranged projectiles aren't faster than man made bullets?
Anonymous No.542532506 >>542532678
>>542532248
razors is pretty fast
Anonymous No.542532678 >>542532784 >>542532923 >>542535185 >>542578698
>>542532506
Anonymous No.542532784 >>542533486
>>542532248
>>542532678
who gives a fuck
Anonymous No.542532923
>>542532678
well if the projectile is really fast then you cant see how magic it is
Anonymous No.542533094
>>542532248
Man made bullets > man made magic
Anonymous No.542533486
>>542532784
sybau bitch
Anonymous No.542534294 >>542540417
>>542528682
Actually Czech. I just wanted to play some easy Allies country


>Captcha GAYYV
Anonymous No.542534354
>>542532248
Normally everybody dies from one glowy fireball to the face, or a bullet to the face so it doesn't matter. You aren't dancing back and forth trading hits of fireballs with people. War of the Ancients fucks with fantasy physics meta.
Anonymous No.542535185 >>542536517 >>542537008 >>542537652 >>542538135
>>542532678
I still don't understand why razor isn't melee.
He should have a facet to turn him into melee just like Venge.
Anonymous No.542536517 >>542536969 >>542537850
>>542535185
do you really want to deal with 25% bash chance razor
Anonymous No.542536969
>>542536517
Yes.
Anonymous No.542537008 >>542537169
>>542535185
Why would he be melee? Dude uses a whip, not a sword.
Anonymous No.542537169 >>542537739
>>542537008
MK uses a long stave and has as much range as Razor.
Anonymous No.542537424 >>542538143
I love playing Spectre but these retarded teammates man... I usually pick 2nd phase and it's often the case that noone actually picks any engage. And I've just played a game with axe who built the fucking bm 1st instead of blink while the enemy team was rolling over the map. Guess what, they had an LC who got blink first!
I want to play spec but it's clear I'd climb if I played heroes like sven/ursa
Anonymous No.542537652
>>542535185
razor and gyro need more range and Razor's ult needs to be a bigger AoE
Anonymous No.542537739
>>542537169
Sounds like a skill issue on Razor's part and not my problem.
Anonymous No.542537850 >>542538304
>>542536517
Venge is also Agi, and gets to use basher as melee, yet she is nowhere near as strong as you make it out to be.
Anonymous No.542538048
stotm spirit right clicking a lycan wolf with an overload buff
Anonymous No.542538135
>>542535185
In dota1 his attack didn't look melee.
Except having free block, does razor actually want anything melee specific? I don't think you'd buy battlefury. Maybe basher sometimes.
Anonymous No.542538143
>>542537424
Spectre is very team reliant. Picking her early only worsens that issue. It is what it is.
Anonymous No.542538304
>>542537850
Venge doesn't get to move and freely auto attack.
Anonymous No.542539865
>>542532248
ask wc3
Anonymous No.542540417
>>542534294
you do you but honestly Czechoslovakia is much more fun. Im Polish and learned the game by playing Poland, I kept losing to Germany over and over again but I kept learning and trying out new stuff.
But I get it if you dont want to play your home country. 90%+ of my playtime in hoi4/eu4 is as Russia
Anonymous No.542540762 >>542541523 >>542542512
Where is mason, did he quit on us
Anonymous No.542541523 >>542541875 >>542541902
>>542540762
taking a break after getting mindbroken by his last stint in shitpool
Anonymous No.542541875 >>542542580
>>542541523
what happened
Anonymous No.542541902
>>542541523
Oh he is still on the Sewer of Babel.
Anonymous No.542542512
>>542540762
he takes breaks when arteezy starts streaming regularly cause it bites into his viewership
Anonymous No.542542580
>>542541875
low prio games wore him down mentally
Anonymous No.542547206
gonna go play deadlock
Anonymous No.542547537 >>542547775 >>542549741
when did arteezt start streaming again?
Anonymous No.542547775 >>542548078
>>542547537
Im so cooked I've read that as "shart"
Anonymous No.542548078
>>542547775
sharteezy shart streaming
Anonymous No.542549042 >>542549743
>sb, np, venge, wk
never seen a draft so cancerously disgusting
Anonymous No.542549741 >>542549925
>>542547537
idk, is he still sponsored by AT&T or whatever? i remember he would have these ridiculous ads on his stream that were really funny
Anonymous No.542549743 >>542550083
>>542549042
no teamfight
Anonymous No.542549925 >>542550002 >>542550286 >>542550474
>>542549741
only thing is "progressive" (i have no idea what that is)
Anonymous No.542550002
>>542549925
oh yeah, that's what it was
Anonymous No.542550083
>>542549743
they dominated the mid game, we also had the most dogshit worthless turd hero in the game on pos4 (mirana)
Anonymous No.542550165 >>542550371
I'm going to pop Lina's Cherry!
Anonymous No.542550286
>>542549925
Burger insurance company.
Anonymous No.542550371
>>542550165
tranny freak
Anonymous No.542550474
>>542549925
oh this is fine but when i pick pos4 magnus i get reported
Anonymous No.542550841 >>542551035 >>542551357 >>542551491 >>542553134
fuck this game
Anonymous No.542551035
>>542550841
at least you had fun
Anonymous No.542551042
>>542491261
i do this because i cant tell them to kill themselves because my communication score is too low
and its embarrassing to draw out "kys" in the map over and over so i just spam ping them, scan tham, "why am i surrounded by such peons", and "hahahahaha" emotes
Anonymous No.542551357 >>542551610
>>542550841
you wasted another day spamming this dogshit game like the mindbroken freak you are
Anonymous No.542551491 >>542551839 >>542555238
>>542495795
no its medusa. i won mvp in like 60% of my medusa games. its so easy. dusa is ezmodo mvp for me

>>542550841
for spec you need to go more dispersion early. dispersion helps you in lane so much. spec w is really bad until you get manta. you want to max dispersion if you're egtting harased a lot. also q us good for getting kills and reality'ing back

i love spec. for spec, the most important item imo is aghs. aghs changse the game because its like a aoe silence or something. it just cucks everything

ult > get a kill > aghs > get a kill > ult again because itll be up > get a kill

is so strong. i love spec. i hate slark and terrorcuck and jug. im like 6 wins 14 losses in my last 20 jug games. 3 wins 1 loss in ranked oddly enough. im horrible with jug i cant win with him

i dont understand what im doing wrong. i can hit nice timings and stuff but i just cant carry with jug. idk. spec i like more, wk i like more, dusa is my wife
Anonymous No.542551610
>>542551357
Could be worse.
He could've been a no-life thread bully who does nothing but bitch out every Anon for posting because he is socially inept, like (You).
Anonymous No.542551839
>>542551491
youve got this all backwards. %-based spells are shit early, so maxing dispersion leaves you with what, maybe 150 extra hp with which to walk at people and deal zero damage? i see no reason not to just splash in a level between focus on dagger and desolate. the extra 70 pure damage per attack is significantly better early on and manta is an amplifier for the spell, not an enabler
Anonymous No.542553134 >>542553517 >>542555238
>>542550841
mmr?
Anonymous No.542553517
>>542553134
I can tell by the way he types he's like 2k at most
Anonymous No.542554816 >>542554989 >>542555287
>Doing overwatch
>8506734762
Anonymous No.542554989 >>542572412
>>542554816
Who was reported?
Anonymous No.542555201
uhm dotards..??
Anonymous No.542555238
>>542551491
thanks for the tips, yeah I realized the E is pretty strong but needed a break off spec
>>542553134
3.5k, i think I was 3,8k before this and a couple of previous losses...
Anonymous No.542555287 >>542572412
>>542554816
holy FUCK
Anonymous No.542556183 >>542602449
i don't want to accept these low behavior score games because they're always stomps or pic related but i can't seem to find games with regular behavior for the past few days (my behavior is 8k)
Anonymous No.542557224 >>542557409 >>542557483
>>542393180
Artist? Doesn't look like sorapoi like someone who imitates their art
Anonymous No.542557346
>>542407332
Pls no DONT I WILL LOSE MONEY LIKE THE WR ARCANA ONE PLEASE DONT DO IT
Anonymous No.542557409 >>542557593 >>542561379
>>542557224
It is Notsorapoi.
Anonymous No.542557483
>>542557224
/ourguy/
Anonymous No.542557593
>>542557409
>It is Notsorapoi
So who is it?
Anonymous No.542558040 >>542558883
>>542392327 (OP)
If I’m guardian with a 70% winrate on a hero I use about 25% of the time, is it safe to say that my actual rank should be about archon assuming I played only that hero?
Anonymous No.542558170 >>542558453
put him in a pro team NOW

https://www.twitch.tv/arteezy/clip/BadAmusedSwanTheThing-38-RaJ7qAdpu5XnW
Anonymous No.542558453
>>542558170
shartour is too oldschool for nu dota, you need to tp in at like level 4 into mid or a sidelane if it nets you a kill he'd rather rice in the jungle for 50 minutes instead
Anonymous No.542558883
>>542558040
Only if you can maintain 70% winrate spamming them 100% of the time, which is probably not happening.
Anonymous No.542561379
>>542557409
Well damn, sorapoi singlehandedly carrying Dota 2 with these
Anonymous No.542562985 >>542563501 >>542563701 >>542563825 >>542563997 >>542616354 >>542630343
when should I buy aghs on drow? it seems too expensive compared to butter, daed, silver and even skadi.
Anonymous No.542563501 >>542616354
>>542562985
Well it kind of counters regen/heals so if that's a problem, maybe.
But in general I don't think it's worth.
In the pros game I've seen her pros seem to buy it but drow also always seem to lose so I don't know how important that is.
Anonymous No.542563701
>>542562985
i miss old drow aghs so much :(
Anonymous No.542563825
>>542562985
first item because drow is cute!!!
Anonymous No.542563997
>>542562985
Yes I watched that video too.
I dislike dota 2 power points.
Anonymous No.542564705 >>542565529 >>542566571 >>542566632
well thats it, ive lost all my freinds from dota 2.

been playing with them since 2013 and now they have all moved on
Anonymous No.542565529 >>542570126
>>542564705
They'll be back
Anonymous No.542566367 >>542566508 >>542568027
remember when hoboharry had high enough mmr to snipe actual good player games
Anonymous No.542566508 >>542566869
>>542566367
What's his mmr now?
Anonymous No.542566571 >>542570126
>>542564705
Other way around for me, Dota 2 is the main reason why I kept my middle & high school friends into working life
Anonymous No.542566632 >>542570126
>>542564705
you can make new ones
Anonymous No.542566869
>>542566508
how would i know lol
Anonymous No.542568027
>>542566367
otp goes back to the shadow realm once his heroes get nerfed many such cases
Anonymous No.542570126
>>542565529
i wish

>>542566571
i'm happy to hear that anon

>>542566632
people don't want to make friends anymore
Anonymous No.542570261 >>542578102
Look at this shit lol, can't remember the last time there was a group stage like this
Anonymous No.542572412
>>542554989
Ursa, but the game was such a shitshow I decided to abstain
>>542555287
Yeah based on the log I think a total of 47 rapiers were purchased
Anonymous No.542573062
>pos 5 picks io
>lose in draft
Anonymous No.542576246 >>542658980
>tfw no anteater hero
Anonymous No.542577909
>>542493673
Shift. Its easy
Anonymous No.542578093
>>542497371
Cool story
Anonymous No.542578102 >>542614561
>>542570261
great dota is going to be played
aurora vs TS
heroic vs falcons
BB vs falcons
Anonymous No.542578240
>>542505924
Based
Anonymous No.542578698 >>542588681
>>542532678
Why tf is sb on the list
Anonymous No.542588681
>>542578698
>he doesnt know
Anonymous No.542589638 >>542590475
>>542529745
I knew it
Anonymous No.542590475
>>542589638
>640x1192
Anonymous No.542592921 >>542596178 >>542643951
Is snapfire the best hero in the game? I think so
Anonymous No.542596178
>>542592921
She very might be
Pos 4 Riki is also up there
Anonymous No.542597016 >>542597936
>>542529745
Can you elaborate why
Also is Quas a meme
Anonymous No.542597936 >>542598198
>>542597016
exort invoker is like having a bad carry from midlane, wex invoker is like having a spirit hero from midlane, no one really maxes quas cause the spells aren't as good as maxed tornado/emp or maxed sunstrike/meteor
Anonymous No.542598198
>>542597936
I meant the facet and this is my rationale too
I feel so much comfortable too playing QW instead of QE because I'm not afk farming mid lane missing sunstrikes saying WAIT FOR MY AGHS MAN ITS GONNA BE SO GOOD and actually doing shit on the map with tornado snap emp urn
Anonymous No.542600379 >>542600475 >>542600870 >>542608909 >>542609046 >>542679447
literally what does this shit ass hero offer??

>super reliant on a 2k gold item
>no longer can burst heroes because tossxavalanche a combo that existed since dota allstars is removed
>khanda even got nerfed to shit

literally what is this guy's purpose??? and the worst part is he used to be my favourite hero (400+ games btw) he can reposition heroes yeah ok is that all?? fuck's sake man i miss the old tiny so much
Anonymous No.542600475 >>542601054
>>542600379
Do not underestimate the power of reverse hook and a bloated HP pool
Anonymous No.542600574
hasan.... not the hecking doggo! how could he
Anonymous No.542600870
>>542600379
The combo exists, it just doesn't do as much damage you whiny baby.
Anonymous No.542601054 >>542601858 >>542606449
>>542600475
nigga. do you have any idea how worthless tiny's 2k hp pool is in nu-dota?? its useless, it used to be that this guy can burst damage you out of nowhere, then in time able to become a physical damage dealing monster that can push towers with ease

hell i even played him on support sometimes and as long as i got blink he was useful because of the burst he can provide with ava-toss, even as a support the guy was a fucking fun hero to play, nowadays it just feels like a troll to pick him, god i will forever hate valve for removing ava-toss, even fucking nerfed khanda as if it wasnt enough, 400+ matches on him, and theres not one hero i played since that was actually fun like old tiny, fuck this gay ass game
Anonymous No.542601858 >>542605029 >>542605475
>>542601054
He's still OP and should be nerfed more.
Anonymous No.542602449 >>542605096 >>542605201
>>542556183
>Dire victory
how in the FUCK
Anonymous No.542605029 >>542606449
>>542601858
yet his win rate is awful
something isnt adding up
Anonymous No.542605096
>>542602449
enemy team didnt know how to push high ground and they were caught without buybacks buybacks, it happens
usually it will be your team who has no idea how to defend high ground and stands within blink range lol
Anonymous No.542605201
>>542602449
In low mmr there's always a chance the enemy will throw hard
Anonymous No.542605475 >>542605726
>>542601858
why not just remove the guy from the hero pool then at this point yeah?
Anonymous No.542605726
>>542605475
it hasnt even been a year since he became terrible
Anonymous No.542606449 >>542606683
>>542601054
>>542605029
can someone explain this to me?
>tiny is a decent midlaner and pos 4 pre 7.37
>upon 7.38's release he becomes an offlaner again
>post 7.38 he's garbage in all roles
Anonymous No.542606683 >>542607423
>>542606449
if a hero can mid and play pos4 then he is dealing too much damage
Anonymous No.542607008
>wake up
>take my blood pressure medication
>play some dota 2
Anonymous No.542607341 >>542607474 >>542607514
i miss pre 7.38 dota
>we had pillars instead of these ultra wide free warding areas
>winning the lane wasnt a requirement in getting lotuses from the pool
>spectre didnt snowball as fast as the current meta carries, though lina was a problem
>playing defensively was easier in the old map
>crownfall was kino and the curio shit is gay
Anonymous No.542607423 >>542607739
>>542606683
Invokerbwos
Anonymous No.542607474 >>542608532
>>542607341
fuck off rain
Anonymous No.542607514
>>542607341
also neutrals were cool and now they're just lame minor upgrades
Anonymous No.542607739
>>542607423
take advantage of it before he gets whacked with a nerf
Anonymous No.542607856 >>542609478
when ranked turbo?
Anonymous No.542608281
Diretide announced tonight dotards, I can feel it
Anonymous No.542608532
>>542607474
seek medication
Anonymous No.542608909 >>542611295
>>542600379
Ever since this facet shit he has a minor spike in power because of crash landing and khanda, but he just got nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and... You get the gist

I miss old tiny so much too anon, I want avatoss to be added again, I want the old again where it uses your attack damage again, I want my old Tiny!!!
Anonymous No.542609046 >>542611295
>>542600379
Ever since this facet shit he has a minor spike in power because of crash landing and khanda, but he just got nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and... You get the gist

I miss old tiny so much too anon, I want avatoss to be added again, I want the old khanda where it uses your attack damage again, I want my old Tiny so much
Anonymous No.542609271
topson playing jungle veno
Anonymous No.542609478
>>542607856
just track your win rate
Anonymous No.542611295
>>542608909
>>542609046
ogre's post multiplier should be nerfed
Anonymous No.542614070 >>542614291 >>542614418 >>542614801 >>542618737 >>542621047
Is this proper panel attire
Anonymous No.542614291
>>542614070
her shirt isnt wet so no
Anonymous No.542614418
>>542614070
she's not good at dota like reya
Anonymous No.542614527
how do i turn off skill/talent suggestions for guides?
Anonymous No.542614561
>>542578102
Tundra interests me the most. They have 3 very greedy cores so it will be cool to see how they make that work... or fail.
Anonymous No.542614801 >>542615084 >>542617616
>>542614070
No, this is
Anonymous No.542615084
>>542614801
>AI slop
Anonymous No.542615165 >>542615217 >>542615461 >>542616239 >>542616591 >>542616618
Say something nice to this team
Anonymous No.542615217
>>542615165
one of them is a marci-appreciating chad
Anonymous No.542615461
>>542615165
i think they will be shit
Anonymous No.542616239 >>542616591
>>542615165
He's /ourdotard/ so I hope they win.
Anonymous No.542616354
>>542562985
>>542563501
It's better than skadi.
Anonymous No.542616461 >>542616735
wtf satanic playing for falcons
Anonymous No.542616591
>>542615165
This >>542616239, bzm invoker is fun to watch and Pure makes Russians and non-Russians equally seethe.
Anonymous No.542616618
>>542615165
33 will replace one of the cores mid season like he usually does
Anonymous No.542616735
>>542616461
He's standing in for the group stage.
Anonymous No.542616904
falcons without shitter is unbeatable
Anonymous No.542617616
>>542614801
AI GODS I KNEEL
Anonymous No.542617876 >>542618058
Why is this dota tournament making me see fullscreen zoomed in sneyking face on my 32inch monitor?
Anonymous No.542617968
>Satanic stand in for sh1ter
Aui ... I kneel
Anonymous No.542618058
>>542617876
blast loves zooming in players for some reason
Anonymous No.542618256
So this is the power of a pos4 Alchemist...
Anonymous No.542618445
>pango huskar draft
fuck this team really
Anonymous No.542618532 >>542618702
Skiter got kicked?
Anonymous No.542618702
>>542618532
yea
Anonymous No.542618737 >>542619683 >>542721173
>>542614070
MOGGED
Anonymous No.542619383 >>542619556 >>542619687
China fucking sucks
Anonymous No.542619534 >>542623878 >>542645041
What mids do good against huskar or can at least do ok? I'm guessing sniper and viper are good, but they're good against every mid, so is there anyone else?
Anonymous No.542619556
>>542619383
lame thing is that the good chinese teams are skipping all early tournaments
Anonymous No.542619683
>>542618737
russian or ukranian or mongolian women are so beautiful,...
Anonymous No.542619687
>>542619383
The 3rd best team in any region is going to do shit against Falcons.
Anonymous No.542621047 >>542621916 >>542622183
>>542614070
brown bewbies imagine cumming all over that
Anonymous No.542621287 >>542622326 >>542623603
Anonymous No.542621441
>pos1 furion
I thought this was honeypot?
Anonymous No.542621916 >>542623527 >>542625407
>>542621047
>that
>brown
she's australian (bri'ish)
Anonymous No.542622183 >>542625574
>>542621047
brown?
Anonymous No.542622326
>>542621287
I like how the AI gets confused whose nose is supposed to be in front.
Anonymous No.542623527
>>542621916
anglokikes and their spawn arent white
Anonymous No.542623597 >>542624397 >>542645208
What's the Spirit Vessel build on Ember? What's next after the Vessel?
Anonymous No.542623603 >>542656436
>>542621287
all the power of ai and anon still can not move past his crush from when he was 12
Anonymous No.542623660
does literally every game have to include pudge, invoker and rubick?
Anonymous No.542623878
>>542619534
Monkey King rapes Huskar if you know how to play.
Anonymous No.542624397 >>542626623
>>542623597
shivas
Anonymous No.542624435
why is MK disabled in 12v12
Anonymous No.542625407
>>542621916
tanned boobs then whatever
Anonymous No.542625574 >>542625965
>>542622183
man, I was really hoping this was one of the ones where she takes her top off and shakes her boobies for us
Anonymous No.542625965 >>542626167 >>542626410 >>542627358 >>542653839
>>542625574
Anonymous No.542626071
cooming has ruined a generation of men
Anonymous No.542626167
>>542625965
wow, I can't believe Ephey actually did that
Anonymous No.542626410
>>542625965
wtf? did she really do that on live? why?
Anonymous No.542626623
>>542624397
>vessel shivas and aghs probably as 3rd
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, no damage.
Anonymous No.542627358
>>542625965
finna goon to this unironically
Anonymous No.542629986
mango mango
Anonymous No.542630343
>>542562985
it melts strength fatties and given that strength is retarded in this meta i think its always worth having
Anonymous No.542631596 >>542632827
radiance tide good?
Anonymous No.542632827 >>542632984
>>542631596
if your team has no damage but else going blink pipe shivas maybe aghs or AC is still better
Anonymous No.542632984 >>542633218
>>542632827
yakults is doing it right now and it looks pretty good
Anonymous No.542633218
>>542632984
its only good because dire line up is garbage
Anonymous No.542634704
Tundra vs Liquid draft started.
Anonymous No.542634825
Is anyone actually listening to the panel, how is quinn doing
Anonymous No.542635294 >>542635643
Enfeeblebros, they picked Bane...
Anonymous No.542635626
Bane?
Anonymous No.542635643
>>542635294
enfeeble range got nerfed might a well never skill it
Anonymous No.542635750
>33 Timbersaw
What's Timber's winrate these days?
Anonymous No.542635820 >>542636779 >>542637313
I think Abaddon is a cool looking hero, but fucking is it boring when he's constantly picked as a carry.
Anonymous No.542636273 >>542636672 >>542637313
pos1 abba is the worst meme pros has come up with
Anonymous No.542636636 >>542637010
I came back after watching TI. Why is domi still a good item?
Anonymous No.542636672 >>542637313
>>542636273
Its just offlane abaddon with more leeway to farm.
There is nothing pos 1 about him.
Anonymous No.542636779
>>542635820
he's one of the cooler designed heroes
i like his default and cosmetic skill animations
i like his voicelines
i like he conjures a weapon when near an enemy
i like his death animation
i even like his dumb taunt
Anonymous No.542637010 >>542637359
>>542636636
Same reason it was good before so long as you don't feed the dominated creep.
Anonymous No.542637313
>>542635820
>>542636273
>>542636672
wasnt aba a carry in DotA?
Anonymous No.542637359 >>542637428
>>542637010
I mean, did no one at valve thought of nerfing it to the ground?
Anonymous No.542637428
>>542637359
Nobody at valve works or cares about dota.
Anonymous No.542637606 >>542637760 >>542638631
Just found out that the movie reference short film won first place.
Man, Dotards are stupid.
Anonymous No.542637760 >>542638634
>>542637606
I liked the Drow backstory with the loli WR.
Anonymous No.542637953
>trying to push high ground against Sniper and Drow
>team tries to force it but always dies
>they never leave base so we can never gank them
>finally win after 60 mins because Sniper and Drow got tired of playing and wasted buybacks
Almost makes me want to pick Pudge just to fucking get on high ground once every 10 minutes or something.
Anonymous No.542638180
>pos1 Abaddon can't pick up the fucking Aegis because he has an Iron Branch in his main inventory
The absolute state of "professional" gamers.
Anonymous No.542638367 >>542638512
>queue 5 roles for tokens
>only get offlane
Does nobody want to play pos 3 or something?
Anonymous No.542638512 >>542638997
>>542638367
>We need tank!
>We need tank!
>gg no stun/tank/teamfight/offlane
>pos 4 veno: report Anon
Anonymous No.542638631
>>542637606
The concept was cheap "omg is that a X reference" slop, but you have to give it props for everything else about it. The actual animation in it was by far the highest quality of any submission.
Anonymous No.542638634
>>542637760
>Oh my god.
>It even has a screen tear
Anonymous No.542638997 >>542639145
>>542638512
pos 4 veno? fuck you, youre getting a slark and he WILL just run around in the trees doing nothing but leech xp for 5min
Anonymous No.542639145
>>542638997
b-but 9class did it..!
Anonymous No.542639426 >>542645703
I just had the worst fucking team I ever played with this was crazy
Anonymous No.542639945
ZXC let me die
Anonymous No.542640189 >>542640960
timbersaw is doing it bros
Anonymous No.542640828 >>542641102 >>542641725 >>542642159
>playing pos 5
>cast+land my ult
>pre-emptively run away
>enemy team runs past teammates and towers just to chase me down
>get fucking rekt as they blow everything they have on me
>they wipe afterwards so it's a 5 for 1 trade
>repeat like 10-20 times depending on game length
>win
I don't know what changed but games have been brutal for me for the past week, but at least winning is good, I guess.
Anonymous No.542640960
>>542640189
/ourdotard/
Anonymous No.542641102
>>542640828
win's a win, bro
Anonymous No.542641608
Tundra looking good
Anonymous No.542641725
>>542640828
That's not a bad thing, you're doing your job. It's okay to die.
"Kills mean nothing, Throne means everything."
Anonymous No.542642140
>ace from gg into liquid
Wut
They're not auraball
Anonymous No.542642159
>>542640828
As a pos 5 you are the least valuable kill so any time you die in a trade it's a win for your team. If you also get off all your spells AND they waste big spells on you, then you've basically played your role perfectly.
Anonymous No.542642523
member when your boots and stick support would feed giant gold bounties because you had alch on your team
Anonymous No.542643047 >>542643465 >>542643860
>Jugger costs teams their TI main stage games multiple times
>Patch changes 1 (One) neutral item
>Jugger now 1st phase pick/ban worthy
Anonymous No.542643465 >>542643565 >>542644090
>>542643047
Honestly if AME was good he wouldn't have picked jugg in a fucking final in the first place.
Or ult without any care against anyone when this fucking item exists.
You don't have to be a pro to know jugg relies 100% on his ulti and you can get gigacucked even without OD or OD staff.
Im sure if they picked a real fucking carry like Luna or Medusa they would've won.
Anonymous No.542643565 >>542643784
>>542643465
>if AME was good he wouldn't have picked jugg
Is that his choice or did Xiao8 tell him he's playing Jugg? How much input does Ame get there?
Anonymous No.542643784
>>542643565
Probably his captain, whoever it was, but again, you don't have to be a pro to know Jugg on such an important game is a good idea, he is not reliable at all.
Anonymous No.542643860
>>542643047
nah people just didnt know how good he was
Anonymous No.542643951 >>542716309
>>542592921
Ember spirit. Nothing can compete.
>S-tier mid laner
>can have boots and bottle only and can still dominate the early game
>innate farming ablities
Need i say more
Anonymous No.542643952
How did blast pick the teams
Anonymous No.542644090 >>542644304 >>542644358
>>542643465
Ame might be the best pos1 in the history of esports but he always chokes with shifty picks in finals. very odd trait
Anonymous No.542644120
i'm depressed
...
*queues for another game*
Anonymous No.542644304 >>542644358 >>542644439
>>542644090
you cant be the best of anything with a reputation of choking like ame
Anonymous No.542644358 >>542644475
>>542644090
>>542644304
He's the player with the most games won in TI Grand Finals. Maybe he'll finally get the TI win in his home country next year.
Anonymous No.542644439 >>542644637
>>542644304
No other player has been consistently good for as long as Ame
Anonymous No.542644475 >>542644754 >>542644840
>>542644358
>most games won
>never held the aegis
humiliation ritual
Anonymous No.542644637 >>542644840
>>542644439
>consistently good
>never wins
an oxymoron
Anonymous No.542644754 >>542644920
>>542644475
Trust the script, next TI is in China.
Anonymous No.542644840 >>542646696
>>542644475
>>542644637
Your soul was raped before you were born and you have nothing
Anonymous No.542644920
>>542644754
eu team won singapore ti
Anonymous No.542644931 >>542645404
>Crystallis' name still has the "Tundra" part in it
Anonymous No.542645041
>>542619534
Ember with blight stone and a ton of regen
Anonymous No.542645208
>>542623597
Radiance
Anonymous No.542645404
>>542644931
I think it's because he's technically still on loan.
Anonymous No.542645703 >>542646874
>>542639426
I believed you played with a bunch of indians
Anonymous No.542646052
What's with degenerates picking silencer and just hitting creeps all game
is it some sort of griefing
it feels like it
Anonymous No.542646515
>pick a hero that huskar rapes
>don't ban huskar
>lose
Why is this so common?
Anonymous No.542646578 >>542646869
Has every game been a one sided stomp?
Anonymous No.542646696
>>542644840
how does ame's dick taste?
Anonymous No.542646869
>>542646578
no
Anonymous No.542646874 >>542647096
>>542645703
why do they ruin everything
first they ruin canada and its culture
next they ruin the uk and its culture
next they ruin the us
next they're gonna ruin japan
and now they're ruining my dota
how do we stop this
Anonymous No.542647096
>>542646874
stop being a virgin and procreate faster than they do
Anonymous No.542647419 >>542647552
Lol Quinn should be playing not trying to play analyst
Anonymous No.542647552 >>542651416
>>542647419
why are we gatekeeping analyst positions?
Anonymous No.542647709 >>542648803
>30k+ mmr panel
>cry about it
ill never understand dotards
Anonymous No.542648803 >>542648929
>>542647709
tranny freak
Anonymous No.542648929 >>542649374
>>542648803
do you feel better after lashing out?
Anonymous No.542649374 >>542649458
>>542648929
I'd feel better if normalfag subhumans stopped using this site
Anonymous No.542649376
>Waah! why can't we have high mmr analysts?
>Not like that!!
Anonymous No.542649458
>>542649374
not your sekrit club
Anonymous No.542650521 >>542661139
ursa does too much damage
Anonymous No.542651416 >>542652065
>>542647552
not gatekeeping but i personally prefer watching him as a player
Anonymous No.542652065 >>542652376
>>542651416
this is his first gig as an analyst
how can you know you dont like this
Anonymous No.542652376 >>542652476
>>542652065
Because he's not getting his asshole gaped on screen and making funny faces as it happens.
Anonymous No.542652476 >>542652778
>>542652376
ah he is no longer a clown for your amusement
grow up
Anonymous No.542652778 >>542653018
>>542652476
After (You).
Anonymous No.542652781 >>542695583
Why does dawn get to have 1.2k hp at lvl 4
Anonymous No.542653018 >>542653458
>>542652778
im not crying about change
Anonymous No.542653458 >>542653764
>>542653018
You are crying about everything else though, thread bully.
Anonymous No.542653764
>>542653458
thanks for announcing your presence
Anonymous No.542653839
>>542625965
hey chat is this real?
Anonymous No.542654558
>lag during esports
Anonymous No.542654875 >>542678082
>SEAs in chat blaming the entire Aurora team coach and getting mad at Quinn when Mikoto clearly played like completely ass.
Anonymous No.542655095 >>542655257
drawfriends?
Anonymous No.542655257 >>542655675
>>542655095
it's slopfriends now
Anonymous No.542655619
>techies rushes naked hex
>any time you blink in range of him you get instahexed
>1000 hours steam profile
wow gaben very impressive
Anonymous No.542655675
>>542655257
only because we encourage them
Anonymous No.542656002
man wolf ursa is op
Anonymous No.542656436
>>542623603
underrated
Anonymous No.542656805 >>542657359 >>542695731
I'm two losses away from being sent back to herald
Anonymous No.542657359
>>542656805
You must be excited.
Anonymous No.542657627 >>542658762
can enemies or allies steal gold from prophet money bags?
no i haven't actually played the game since that was added
Anonymous No.542658021
>>542419674
Aren't they both in Cyprus? Makes sense since it's one of the 2 EU countries that work as a tax haven (the other being Ireland) for the streamer bucks.
Anonymous No.542658191 >>542660405
>here's your pos 4 bro
Anonymous No.542658762
>>542657627
Yes, any hero can pick them up, Furion himself, his allies or enemy heroes.
Anonymous No.542658980
>>542576246
>abundant protein
>all concentrated in one spot
>found fucking everywhere
makes sense really
Anonymous No.542660405
>>542658191
ah yes the 30 death supports are both from fucking peru
what else
Anonymous No.542660487 >>542696016 >>542696408
>pick shaker pos3, pos4 goes willow
>enemy jugg skywrath
>sky constantly pokes me, pulls the wave, im omega behind
>willow doesnt pull a single time, doesnt stack for me, sometimes presses her buttons but the enemies are never below 70% hp
Jug inted once but outside of that the lane was unplayable, I was put behind and never really caught up since you cant farm the jungle for shit as shaker.
Im not high elo, legend 5, but how do these players even get there? That guy had no understanding of what to do as a support, how would he be able to play any other role?
Anonymous No.542661139 >>542661335
>>542650521
just dont let the game reach the 50 minute mark. ursa is one of the heroes thats incapable of losing right click battles
Anonymous No.542661335 >>542662141
>>542661139
purge him and ursa is useless at min 50 since he doesnt typically build dps items
Anonymous No.542662141 >>542662453 >>542662570
>>542661335
>ursa is useless at min 50 since he doesnt typically build dps items
what drugs are you on?
Anonymous No.542662453
>>542662141
Ursa falls off hard late, just kite him
Anonymous No.542662570
>>542662141
>bf
>blink
>basher
>bkb
Anonymous No.542662779 >>542662947
There's really some mind raped people playing this game, total mental hospital patients who revel in doing things to spite their own teammates
Anonymous No.542662793 >>542663048 >>542663150 >>542696512
>its another episode of pos4 player picking a pos5 hero so we lose the lane and the enemy pos1 gets to free farm
you just cant leave the support role to the retards
Anonymous No.542662947 >>542719589
>>542662779
typical of any game but dota2 does attract some real special characters
Anonymous No.542663048
>>542662793
Pos 4 players all suck absolute cock, pick dogshit useless heroes and just stay afk in lane soaking up XP
i think that role has the worst players on avg
Anonymous No.542663150 >>542663295 >>542663419
>>542662793
There are no good pos 4 heroes this patch and picking a pos 5 hero for pos 4 is the correct choice.
Anonymous No.542663295 >>542663745
>>542663150
picking grimstroke 4 is pure grief
Anonymous No.542663419 >>542663772
>>542663150
>There are no good pos 4 heroes this patch
Snapfire, Tusk, Hoodwink, Willow, Nyx are all good though
but it's alright keep picking AA and Jakiro pos4 and doing nothing
Anonymous No.542663745 >>542663862
>>542663295
Save- carried the shit out of his pos 4 Grimstroke game during TI finals.

The real grief with Grimstroke is going 0-4-4 and doing absolutely fuckall in lane. Who comes up with that kind of shit? Psychos, that's who.
Anonymous No.542663772
>>542663419
>Tusk, Hoodwink, Willow
>good
Tusk is better as pos 5, Hoodwink and Willow are trash this patch.
Anonymous No.542663862 >>542665094
>>542663745
i dont give a single fuck about muh esports
Anonymous No.542665094 >>542665396
>>542663862
Yeah, it shows.
Anonymous No.542665396
>>542665094
>you cant be mad at your pubs randoms picking pos5 heroes on pos4 and being completely useless because this guy in a controlled environment did well!
least mentally handicapped esports enjoyer
Anonymous No.542665581 >>542665906
https://x.com/Resolut1on/status/1978095702807908786
Anonymous No.542665707
>pos 4 picks a support and plays like a support
>win
>"pos 4" picks a "semi core" and plays like a core
>lose
Just pick a "pos 5" hero that's strong in lane and shit on the carry
Anonymous No.542665906 >>542666249
>>542665581
>Free beta
lol he wants to charge people for this shit?
Anonymous No.542666249
>>542665906
seems reasonable
Anonymous No.542667982 >>542668751 >>542669268 >>542670008 >>542671443
What items should a 6 slotted jugg have? I build battlefury, mkb depending on the enemy team, S&Y, aghanims and butterfly. I was having issues with damage as the game dragged on, it was a 60+ minute game, so I replaced S&Y with daedalus and it seemed to work pretty well. Is daedalus viable? At that point in time it didn't really seem to matter what I built honestly.
Anonymous No.542668731
>>542451061
why the fuck did he quit?
Anonymous No.542668751 >>542684839
>>542667982
You can use item actives during Omnislash, and Omnislash is just a series of auto-attacks, so really, anything that increases damage or something useful like Abyssal Blade or Bloodthorn can work too. You could replace Bfury with Mjollnir if you're super late. You can get Nullifier for fags buying Euls when you ult. Blink is also an option. There isn't one obvious build for Jugg.
Anonymous No.542669268 >>542670175
>>542667982
swift blink, butter, bfury, mkb/skadi/bkb, abyssal, nullifier, aghs blessing is a baseline
Anonymous No.542670008 >>542674148
>>542667982
Manta is better than SnY
Anonymous No.542670175
>>542669268
Skadi is really good on carry melee heroes, really underrated item. I usually build it on Marci and it's pretty good, makes the hero tanky as fuck and gives a slow. Good suggestion and I should already have known that it should be good on him.
Anonymous No.542671443
>>542667982
daedalus feels bad on jugg since you already have a high percent crit
you want a swift blink for that late in the game
Anonymous No.542673951 >>542674161
https://steamcommunity.com/id/jaskierino/
report this profile for cheating hes a scripting nigger techies
Anonymous No.542674148 >>542676508
>>542670008
Manta can be good depending on the game but I wouldn't say that making a habit out of building manta would be a good thing. Besides, I have an issue with activating items (yes I am that bad) so I just tend to stick with items that give passives.
Anonymous No.542674161
>>542673951
nypa
Anonymous No.542674719 >>542676250 >>542683441 >>542696807
shouldnt mask of madness be good on jug?
Anonymous No.542676250
>>542674719
yes, its extremely good but mom isnt in favor right now
Anonymous No.542676508 >>542676746
>>542674148
You buy Manta to dispel silence at the minimum if you're a carrytranny buying S&Y instead of BKB. You should make a habit of it.
Anonymous No.542676746 >>542729595
>>542676508
It's good for dispels but it's not an item that is essential in every game. There are jugg players that build manta just as people would built battlefury and it's just not that great of an item compared to others if you're not using it to dispel things. It's a situational item, not an item you build every game.
Anonymous No.542678082
>>542654875
only bad game he had was his puck his np was actually pretty good until the whole team threw mid game like they have shown to do since he joined
Anonymous No.542679447
>>542600379
Stop bullying tony
Anonymous No.542683441 >>542683760
>>542674719
if you silence yourself you cant use your built in bkb
Anonymous No.542683760 >>542684324
>>542683441
>using the MoM outside of omni
Anonymous No.542684324 >>542684839
>>542683760
can you cast items while in omni?
Anonymous No.542684839
>>542684324
>>542668751
Anonymous No.542690136 >>542692010 >>542692620
Drawfriends?
Anonymous No.542692010
>>542690136
no i won't work for free
Anonymous No.542692620 >>542697031
>>542690136
The thread bully drove them away.
Anonymous No.542694168 >>542695471 >>542695779 >>542696993
>dota 2 will never have this much soul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5jZxeQpsgw
Anonymous No.542695471
>>542694168
I miss it so much, playing that with a group of friends, could fill both teams and some waited for others to go to sleep so they could join in.
Every match -ar
Anonymous No.542695583
>>542652781
Mommymilkers
Anonymous No.542695731
>>542656805
Deserved?
Anonymous No.542695779 >>542695948
>>542694168
>talents
does anyone play these dota 2 versions of dota 1?
also talents are like 5 years old so it's not up to date at all.
Anonymous No.542695948
>>542695779
Some anons posted a few months back, private wc3 servers that still have games.
Anonymous No.542696016
>>542660487
>elo
Go back
Anonymous No.542696143 >>542706373 >>542706653
jugger highest winrate hero
Anonymous No.542696408
>>542660487
You only start playing the actual game at high immortal, and even there some games suck.
Forget about past games and think of the next one.
Anonymous No.542696512
>>542662793
>you just cant leave the support role to the retards
I believe after pos 2 the hardest roles to play(mentally) are pos 5 and 4
Anonymous No.542696807
>>542674719
Its really good if you know when to use it
Anonymous No.542696993
>>542694168
Why is everyone pretending like this doesn't look like complete ass?
Anonymous No.542697031 >>542697115
>>542692620
Be honest, was there even anything good being made or did you just want to circlejerk
Anonymous No.542697115
>>542697031
I like all drawfriends
Anonymous No.542697329 >>542700636
is this true chat? they can't afford players?
Anonymous No.542697738
Anonymous No.542699772 >>542700073 >>542701185
okay guys, all my friends bully me and treat me like shit. im not the best player but i try my best
Anonymous No.542700073
>>542699772
You're friends sound mean :(
Anonymous No.542700636
>>542697329
lol they should be they sold half the team away to a crypto spot but 3 things og could be doing
og is just a 322 organization now
notail is playing to build a team around him now
ceb is coming back as the offlaner at some point
Anonymous No.542701185
>>542699772
Do you want coaching?
Anonymous No.542706373 >>542706472 >>542706584
>>542696143
I always see winrates but have a hard time elaborating why the hero is good
Anonymous No.542706472
>>542706373
Spin is OP
Healing ward is OP
Anonymous No.542706584 >>542706774
>>542706373
often it's just because the numbers are good
any hero can be made good or bad with numbers nerfs
Anonymous No.542706653 >>542706750
>>542696143
>everyone said before how jugg is the most useless hero
>they changed a single neutral item nobody even used in pubs
>suddenly he is super imba OP
????
Anonymous No.542706750
>>542706653
jugger was good before that change
hero is just trending now
Anonymous No.542706774 >>542706850 >>542706929 >>542707024
>>542706584
Explain how Void could be good with numbers increase
I'm curious
Anonymous No.542706850
>>542706774
He's already good.
Anonymous No.542706929
>>542706774
void isn't even especially bad right now
Anonymous No.542707024
>>542706774
>more jump range
>more bash damage
>more chrono duration / lower cd
its very hard to make void better from a numbers perspective without just him completely eclipsing every other carry. the fact alone that chrono is a carry ability already makes him one of the best characters in the game
Anonymous No.542712352
I miss jubei....
Anonymous No.542713637 >>542713943 >>542714106 >>542714371 >>542714810 >>542715721 >>542719781 >>542720419
Who is /ourguy/ pro player
Anonymous No.542713943
>>542713637
33
Anonymous No.542714106
>>542713637
RTZ
Anonymous No.542714371
>>542713637
/ourniggas/ 33 & Masondota2
right click wilow enjoyer No.542714810 >>542730021 >>542733584
is 33 a regular here? i cant believe 4chin would side with the merchant race
>>542713637
Neighbor masao, considering how much he spergs out. true /d2g/ core persona
Anonymous No.542715721
>>542713637
mason, "MGOD", masao
Anonymous No.542716309
>>542643951
Ember Spirit is not good.
Anonymous No.542719589
>>542662947
I don't think dota attracts worse people, it just brings out the worst in the same retards every other game has because the games are so long and you have so much time to look at what your teammates are doing.
Anonymous No.542719781 >>542740278
>>542713637
Ame is /d2g/ in a nutshell
>Addicted to the game
>Perpetual choker
>Allchats gamer words in his pubs
>Not white
>On the spectrum
Anonymous No.542720419
>>542713637
Allar the brown faggot
Anonymous No.542721173
>>542618737
who?
Anonymous No.542727107
Zzz...
Anonymous No.542727762 >>542743462
Need immortal Invoker players to watch
What yt channels?
Current guides to read?
Anonymous No.542728563 >>542729254 >>542743261
Boots of travel needs a buff, they got indirectly nerfed during the patch that gives you a free TP scroll when you die. One of the big values of travels was that you didn't have to buy TP scrolls anymore, now you barely need to buy them anymore.
Anonymous No.542729254
>>542728563
why are you dying so much?
Anonymous No.542729595
>>542676746
Shut the fuck up dumb tranny you said yourself you can't even press buttons
Anonymous No.542730021
>>542714810
He participated in the /vg/ masters inhouse cup from 2014 back when this general was extremely active
I'm sure mason posted here back in the day but he grew out of associating with this place I guess
all in all Mason is the first dotard to go to TI but 33 the first one to win it (twice)
Anonymous No.542730042
>responding to a 12 hour old post just to seethe
Anonymous No.542730298 >>542731587 >>542733073 >>542733683
I don't understand all the tinker changes, from what I understand they changed him because he was too obnoxious to play against.
But the new tinker is 10000x more obnoxious to play against and has WAAAAY less counterplay. His shield matrix makes him nearly impossible to kill, when old tinker was often dead if you just managed to catch him.
Anonymous No.542731587
>>542730298
just purge him bro
Anonymous No.542732458
>Topson going full kikemode shutting down his chat
what a cuck
Anonymous No.542732954 >>542733170
to this day normal and turbo mode don't have role q, and ranked requires farming tokens. are pos1/2 niggers really that important and loud with their wallets?
Anonymous No.542733073 >>542733163
>>542730298
>if you just managed to catch him.
>if
there's your answer. being able to refresh items, especially damaged blink, made him ridiculously hard to catch.
Anonymous No.542733163
>>542733073
>play clock
>hook him
>he's dead
it was that easy
Anonymous No.542733170 >>542733469
>>542732954
you can play the classic ranked mode, braindead retarded nigger. but you would rather keep playing the role queue and complain about it like a good little brown 60 iq furfaggot
Anonymous No.542733469 >>542733694 >>542736240
>>542733170
>zero reading comprehension
>schizo rambling and projecting
did I strike a nerve, 30min waiter?
Anonymous No.542733584
>>542714810
He played one /vg/ tournament and at least one Anon's been obsessed about him ever since.
Anonymous No.542733683
>>542730298
>His shield matrix makes him nearly impossible to kill
That you can just solve with Nullifier. Nullifier is pretty much mandatory against Tinker. Multiple Nullifiers even.
Anonymous No.542733694 >>542733773
>>542733469
>ranked requires farming tokens
>there is a mode that doesn't
>LE 0 READING COMPREHENSION FUCKING SCHIZO
smartest avatartranny
Anonymous No.542733773
>>542733694
Hoodstinkers aren't too bright
Anonymous No.542733818
>hoodstink
Anonymous No.542734074 >>542734583
>make a post seething about retards picking pos5 heroes on pos4
>next day, play pos3
>pos 4 picks cm, his starting items are 4 clarities, a health potion and a set of tangos
>afks in the base then runs mid
>I lose like half hp on the first wave
>he finally tp's to me, I die shortly after
>I type to him, he responds in some brown turd world language
pos3 is literally a coin toss
Anonymous No.542734441 >>542735823
Respond without sounding mad
Anonymous No.542734583 >>542734664
>>542734074
Pos4 players are the type to start with a null talisman or both rings for tranquil boots and we have to tolerate that
it's the ultimate bot role. I had a pos4 lich doing nothing in lane, literally AFK behind me and when I asked him to give me a tango because I ran out of mine he just sat there and typed 'I DONT CARE' in all caps like a freak. No wonder no one wants to play pos3 when they have to lane with this
Anonymous No.542734664 >>542734763 >>542735272
>>542734583
dont be so demanding
Anonymous No.542734763 >>542734826
>>542734664
When I play support I always feed my core regen. It's part of the role. They just have to autoattack/press spells/pull and share tango to make the lane four times easier for their core, it's that simple
Anonymous No.542734816
why do eastern europeans like shadow fiend so much?
Anonymous No.542734826 >>542734890 >>542735272
>>542734763
that is great but you are playing above expectations
Anonymous No.542734890 >>542734957
>>542734826
no, that's the bare minimum. kill yourself npc
Anonymous No.542734957 >>542735272
>>542734890
extremely demanding indeed
Anonymous No.542735272 >>542736443
>>542734664
>>542734826
>>542734957
Brown hands
Anonymous No.542735823 >>542736251
>>542734441
turbo is the only viable way of playing dota for those who don't have at least 9 friends to play any mode with. but yeah it's pretty much the best mode out there.
Anonymous No.542736240
>>542733469
Carrytrannies are very easily triggered
Anonymous No.542736251
>>542735823
normalfag
Anonymous No.542736443 >>542736575 >>542737345
>>542735272
racism isnt going to win your games
Anonymous No.542736575 >>542736691
>>542736443
Neither are browns
Anonymous No.542736691 >>542737301
>>542736575
you cant even beat the browns on the other team
Anonymous No.542736942 >>542737323
Yts are extremely fragile in aus and I say this as a yt
I prefer azns
Anonymous No.542737301 >>542737440 >>542737530
>>542736691
I can, and I can carry the brown trash on my team
Make no mistake, the browns never contribute to winning in dota, just like they never contribute to anything in society
Anonymous No.542737323 >>542737480
>>542736942
no saaaar you arent white, you are a filthy street shitting jeet
Anonymous No.542737345
>>542736443
Go back
Anonymous No.542737440
>>542737301
if you can, then why are you crying?
Anonymous No.542737480
>>542737323
On second thought it's probably equal fragility
Dota just mind breaks some people
Anonymous No.542737530 >>542737557 >>542737715 >>542738217
>>542737301
You're arguing with the thread bully. Stop trying to justify yourself to him. He doesn't even play the game.
Anonymous No.542737557 >>542738081
>>542737530
thank you for announcing your presence
Anonymous No.542737715
>>542737530
Schizo brownoid
Anonymous No.542738081 >>542738130 >>542738220 >>542739676 >>542740167
>>542737557
You're such a bot.
Pointing fingers and saying "no u" doesn't change the fact that you're the one instigating pointless arguments, thread bully. Go outside, touch some grass. Get a job if you're not going to play the game.
Anonymous No.542738130
>>542738081
>nou
typical thread bully behavior
Anonymous No.542738217
>>542737530
Yeah I figured, didn't know the disperser schizo thread bully was brown but it makes sense when you think about it.
Anonymous No.542738220
>>542738081
Shut the fuck up mindbroken tranny. You're a mentally ill freak, rope yourself raped mind nigger
Anonymous No.542738265
>thread bully announces his presence
>immediately tries to bully someone out of the thread
everytime
Anonymous No.542738331
Everyone is the schizo brown thread bully
Anonymous No.542738754 >>542738779
>someone is shitposting and arguing in bad faith
>call him the thread bully
>he immediately spergs out
Is it autism?
Anonymous No.542738779 >>542739330
>>542738754
it must be, cause you are still going
Anonymous No.542739330 >>542751110
>>542738779
>horriblewink
Anonymous No.542739387 >>542739458
is this a discord raid?
Anonymous No.542739458
>>542739387
might be cause its extremely schizo
Anonymous No.542739610
Jews = schizos
Anonymous No.542739615 >>542739808
>"he disagrees with me? must be the """thread bully"""
Anonymous No.542739676
>>542738081
>darvo
The irony is completely lost on the thread bully.
Anonymous No.542739808 >>542739932
>>542739615
That's what the actual thread bully thinks, he calls everyone that exposes him "thread bully" despite being the only thread bully. Extreme crybully behavior.
Anonymous No.542739932
>>542739808
you are the only one trying to bully someone from posting, thread bully
Anonymous No.542740084 >>542740167
>thread bully exposes himself again
Anonymous No.542740167
>>542740084
yes, right here
>>542738081
Anonymous No.542740278
>>542719781
>Perpetual choker
One more gf
Anonymous No.542740778 >>542741704
>hoodrat
Anonymous No.542740819 >>542740889 >>542741079
What caused the last 30 posts or so
Anonymous No.542740889
>>542740819
unmedicated schizophrenia
Anonymous No.542741079 >>542741421
>>542740819
Someone called out the thread bully, if he's not allowed to bully people he does this instead
Anonymous No.542741421 >>542742046
>>542741079
but youre the thread bully
Anonymous No.542741704
>>542740778
based, lmao, i havent seen that one before
Anonymous No.542742046 >>542742108
>>542741421
>the jew cries in pain as the strikes you
Anonymous No.542742108 >>542742205
>>542742046
>schizo threadbully turns to antisemitism
You are mind broken
Anonymous No.542742205
>>542742108
>acuse others of what you yourself are doing
Anonymous No.542742337 >>542742470
/vg/ desperately needs IDs
Anonymous No.542742470
>>542742337
just use reddit instead of trying to identify other posters
Anonymous No.542743261 >>542744212
>>542728563
boots of travel 2 should give you some stats or something that makes it worthwhile keeping in your inventory.
Anonymous No.542743462
>>542727762
Topson, he plays him fairly regularly on his stream. Also keep an eye on bzm to see if he plays invoker. He used to a lot and watching his pro games (and comparing him to other pros that aren't as good on invoker) taught me a lot.
Anonymous No.542744212
>>542743261
the most movement speed in the game isnt enough?
Anonymous No.542744795
Anonymous No.542745845
Pure Kez LFG
Anonymous No.542745856
More Kez
Anonymous No.542747992 >>542749268
I get he's a bird but is this really the build for him
Anonymous No.542749268 >>542751132
>>542747992
It's the only good option for agi carries that gives you damage, health and mana regen in the early game.
Anonymous No.542751110 >>542751189 >>542751502
>>542739330
This one and the one where he runs across the entire map to dunk on her are my favorites. But I'm still going to jerk off to hoodrat.
Anonymous No.542751132 >>542752327
>>542749268
>spend 2,3k gold on early-mid game shit that doesnt build into anything
do carryniggers really?
Anonymous No.542751189
>>542751110
>the one where he runs across the entire map to dunk on her are my favorites
Anonymous No.542751326
You just KNOW shes a freak in bed
Anonymous No.542751371 >>542751520
>0% winrate deer
They need to replace her shitty Aghs that no one buys anyways
Anonymous No.542751502
>>542751110
Why does everyone draw her with an ugly ass face
Anonymous No.542751520 >>542751557 >>542751857
>>542751371
>trust me making a 4k item mandatory on my hero will be a buff
Anonymous No.542751557 >>542751735 >>542751805
>>542751520
Works for Disruptor.
Anonymous No.542751735
>>542751557
>25% win rate
no it doesnt
Anonymous No.542751805
>>542751557
Does it, though?
Anonymous No.542751857 >>542752043
>>542751520
That would just be one of the many changes she needs, she's useless
Anonymous No.542752043
>>542751857
and that is a good thing
Anonymous No.542752054
keZ
Anonymous No.542752091
Kez it up
Anonymous No.542752327 >>542752674
>>542751132
What the fuck else is he going to build that solves the same issues?
Anonymous No.542752446 >>542752496 >>542752643 >>542752990
Quinn is eloquent as an analyst, why doesn't he cast instead? Sure as fuck beats the shitshow of crap and jew
Anonymous No.542752496
>>542752446
give him time
this is his first gig
Anonymous No.542752643 >>542752784
>>542752446
Who would be his co-caster?
Anonymous No.542752674
>>542752327
i dont even know what he does
Anonymous No.542752784
>>542752643
Who does he hate the most, it should be him, they could be a comedy duo with quinn as the straight guy
Anonymous No.542752858
Why did BB change carries again should have kept pure
Anonymous No.542752990
>>542752446
Quinn should still be playing man really said GG after blowing up GG
Anonymous No.542753190
>>542753174
>>542753174
>>542753174