Thread 542496487

Previously: >>542314353

>What... is this?
Put simply, a simulation of Pro Evolution Soccer being competed between teams which are embodiments of boards of the 4chan imageboard. The players represent facets of each board's culture. All of the matches are AI versus AI. However, humans "manage" each team, creating their tactics and giving input during games as they happen to make substitutions and tactical changes as they see fit.
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/FAQ

>Where can I watch the cup?
https://isthisliv.com/4cc/stream.html

>Current Cup
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/2025_4chan_Autumn_Babby_Cup_Qualifiers
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/2025_4chan_Autumn_Babby_Cup

>Current Invitationals
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/New_Thread_Cup_4

>Upcoming Invitationals
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Divegrass_Before_Christmas_6:_This_can%27t_wait_a_month

>Wiki:
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Main_Page

>Sekkrit Code
37pebis

>DLC Password
divegrass

>Booru
https://isthisliv.com/booru/

>Other videos
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Videos

>PES Info
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Pro_Evolution_Soccer_2015

>previously
The thread centers on live match reactions, tactical talk, and debate over new teams like /1999/. Many users criticize PES15’s flawed gameplay and a last-minute rule change meant to fix high scores. Beyond the matches, drama erupts through “waifu wars” and heated complaints about livestream commentary.

tsuuuuuuuuuu

threesome with zoer and sangen

So /4ccg/, when are we going to make the jump to Football Manager?

They're adding fluid this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFIuWqlVQis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LVsNOZkpZc

/a/ needs to recruit the /fluff/ manager

All this bitching about 15 just feels like newfag managers seething over having been exposed as being worse than managers from the so-called plumber era desu

>>542496859
trvke, get on it JNT

>>542496861
cope

>>542496764
does anything funny even happen in football manager during the matches?
isn't usually most of the gameplay behind like menus and making deals and trades and shit?

GIVE ME FREEDOM
GIVE ME FIRE
GIVE ME THE SAME PES EVERY SINGLE CUP
OR I RETIRE

>>542496861
trvth nvke

>>542496764
There won't be a way to just play matches against each other

>>542496861
They can’t cope with not being able to just copy the meta, make slight changes and run it

>>542496975
this but unironically.

>>542496973
spaghetti happens in FM. maybe not quite as much as some PES versions but it's there when you least want it
(and I hope you like Guess the Scoreline because that's a staple of FM too)

>>542496861
In the first full invitiational on 15 a manager that’s never been in any of the major three leagues win over experienced ones from them and multiple games had major streamer errors, wierd AI behaviour or were some of the. Ingest PESings seen on any recently used version, most managers didn’t like it, viewers complained it was boring and autopilots just dunk on people in most things. It’s terrible and not even worth using again even for Winter.

>>542496975
I called for a different PES after Summer, but like most I didn't ask for this broken trash.

>>542497257
are you having a stronk

>>542497257
>not even worth using again for Winter
Yet Sou has said he's stubborn on having this last through Summer through any rules changes needed.

>>542497257
my esl LIEGE...

>>542496764
If someone was serious about FM, they'd make an invitational to show off how it'd work.

>>542497724
[you cant]

To everyone asking: yes, everything you see on riggybet is random. The teams are sorted randomly, pre-match tactics are random and in-match changes are random.

>>542497257
Autopilots have always beaten up on shitters. Autos gave won VGLs and even elites before

>>542497476
if 15 gets used again for spring/summer, im just not signing my team up, simple. the only answer to more than one cycle on this is to just not play like 18. 16 was less scuffed than this and didnt get a second cycle

>>542497928
What is /yourteam/?

>>542497023
Can we run it on cup mode? It was first abandoned because of alphabet abuse for breaking ties for group stage promotion, but I would expect a game like FM to allow setting different rules for that.

>>542497257
>the first full invitiational on 15 a manager that’s never been in any of the major three leagues win over experienced ones from
This is who /fluff/ beat
>Taba
>/2hug/ schizo
>SgBong, collector of fetus spoons
>a /h/anny autopilot
>/bant/ management

>>542497928
Based

If Sou wants another cycle of 15, better get ready to make a lot of autopilots.
>tfw not punishing /myteam/'s fans refusing toe sign up but requesting an autopilot if 15 gets a second cycle

>>542498134
/yucamp/ was not Taba, it was Prow.

>>542497881
how about you randomly kill yourself

>>542498182
>>542497928
Sou discussed it last thread last night if you want look at what he said if you don't believe me

>>542497928
Everyone should just refuse to submit exports for autumn until we move off 15

>>542498532
he can discuss it all he likes, another cycle of this trash and multiple teams are going to organise and scorched earth that cycle

>>542496764
FM is abysmal dogshit no matter how much they dress it up

Are we really calling a PES broken because a new manager did well on it

>>542498624
No, I think Autumn should run and as many as possible should take part, but to prove it's fucked. Once half the teams are burned out and against having another cup using it that's when the serious talks begin.

>>542497257
The /fluff/ manager has been around in invitationals for a while and won baglel, for whatever that is worth, so it's not like he just airdropped out of nowhere
Streamer errors aren't the game's fault and dirty PESings have always happened

If Autumn is a trash heap then reevaluate for Winter.
I’m not convinced it will be.

>>542498624
>>542498727
Sirs, please, it's important. Show us on the doll where PES15 hurt you.

i have information that will lead to the arrest, trial and imprisonment of sou for crimes against humanity including the shilling of pes 2015

I don't like 15 but all this seething is getting really silly at this point. I'm starting to think Kregg had a point when he said people were taking the cup too seriously and this is part of what he meant, it's not even shitposting about how much you don't like 15 it's just "GRRRR 15 MADE ME SPILL MY MILK, 15 PUSHED ME DOWN THE STAIRS 15 KEKED ME FROM MY WIFE 15 SHOT MY DOG 15 IS THE REASON MY LIFE HAS GONE TO SHIT"

Akkolel is marginally above babby tier, the only serious manager in it is the /wsg/ manager and he just slapped together an export and didn’t notice he had auto preset change on.

I'm gonna laugh so hard if Autumn ends up being conpletely fine as a cup
Some of you faggots better get the plungers and wrenches ready because it turns out YOU were the plumbers all alonh

>>542496764
>>542496973
>>542497724
>>542498114
FM Matches are 90 minutes long, so first of we would have to change how long the matches are, because on the fastest speed setting where the match is watchable, 30 in-game seconds is about 25 real seconds, so over the course of 90 minutes that only cuts 15 minutes. That's far, far too long. The option is then to watch 'highlights', but that means there will be time just staring at a stat screen, nobody will really be able to interact and live-manage because the timer will speed by, and the matches will have incredibly variable time-lengths. This then has it's own host of problems with having to change the engine more so goals are scored in the compressed time frame and other things like that.
Secondly, they are not adding the Versus mode to FM26, because nobody plays it. Previously they made you sign up for an FM community account and you had to own the game and log-in in order to access it.
So that leaves a League save that you set up and run. But you can only host 16 managers locally, which means at most you can control 16 teams. So you would probably have to create a database for each group in the group stage and then RO16, and then force the match days to be separate from each other so we can actually watch every single match and have people manage every match. Also because there will be in-game time between the matches, we'll have to find a way to deal with training, fitness, morale, injuries, etc, which is just a big headache.
We are probably never using FM to do the cup because of these things, it's just not feasible.
It's fun to think about if you like football, and if you take the time to make the teams and run a little simmed league it might be interesting to see what happens, but it's not watchable or interactable at all as it stands, and probably never will be.

The good exports in Akko had no problem scoring or looking good.

>>542498624
>>542498727
>>542497928
KWAB

>>542497928
ill sign up your team and you will enjoy it

>>542499004
I've had a test event, a full invitational and a fetus to see it's a dumpster fire and it's bad. I'm not so against it I wouldn't use it for Autumn because that's just a fuck you at the multiple people who spent months trying to get 15 up to a useable state, so they get their cup at least rather than a 'no thanks for your work we're not evening using it' but after that as far as I'm concerned it's knives out for 15. .

Nooooticing how every AB15 little bitch is blatantly ESL

>>542499847
Running at least one cup on 15 is a good thing for the reasons you've mentioned, but it needed more time so people could find a decent ruleset for it. There was no need to rush things just because it was "usable".

>>542499847
>the multiple people who spent months trying to get 15 up to a useable state
That was Sou's reasoning for why he's going to be stubborn about 15.

>>542500061
There is nothing wrong with this current ruleset

>>542499847
Conveniently ignoring the three cups and however many invitationals that ran on 15 ages ago and went perfectly fine

>>542499224
this screams coping and /admin/ or more likely sou (because only him and crimson are even clearly in favor of 15, rest have concerns or sat on their hands or were neutral) fucking up and projecting rather than just accepting the L that 15 was a bad idea and moving on.

>>542500181
The good Akko teams were fine to watch.

80% of today's managers would've been raped and gaped by robot seagulls even after they were figured out

>>542499356
But it won't be, there was a lot of pushback on 16 over the idea of going back to it again but it turned out to be a nothingburger initially but after two cups there was a soft consensus of 'this wasn't as bad as the doomposters said but yeah this wasn't great, we're doing 17 next cycle instead'. We're at that point at the end of that 16 cycle already and 15 hasn't even had a cup proper since returning yet.

>>542500174
Go tell that to sou.

>>542500596
Holy historical revisionism Batman!

People have different definitions of a successful cup, often due to how much they are paying attention to each game. I've already seen enough of 15 to only want to watch a match here and there instead of the whole event to make it tolerable.

>>542499961
/u/ have been testing it since the week after Summer finished. But I'm also noticing warnings about 15 are coming from testing autists that have probably seen more of 15 than half the managers will over the entire cycle in the preseason alone so make what you want of that.

>>542500946
I'm a Winter manager and cannot WAIT to retvrn to 15

>>542500061
>t-t-the ruleset will '''fix''' 15, I promise!!!
You can fix 17 or 19 with ruleset or setting changes but 15 and also 16 are just not good for reasons rulesets can't fix. TMA had multiple attempts at trying to 'fix' 16 with different VTL rulesets that made no real improvement, 15 is that but worse. Ruleset tweaking won't save 15.

>>542501201
Nice misquoting.

This dude got absolutely fucking raped by 15.

>>542501338
it's tragic desu

All these newfags bitching about 15 is so funny to me
You really are a bunch of coping little babies, if Autumn ends up fun I'm nominating you for KWABOTY

>>542501441
I think we need to create a survivor"s club, so survivors of PESes can talk about their experience and overcome their trauma together instead of KWABing out publically.

Back in my day, we watched shitty PES and liked it.

>>542501502
and when autumn ends up being even worse than the fetus, there's a lot of coping 15 apologists that are getting a told you so award

VGL will NEVER be on 15
VTL will NEVER be on 15

>>542501720
VGL audiences and even somehow VTL audiences will both go up again while 4CC goes down on 15.

>>542501635
It won't lmao

>>542501502
tears streaming down his eyes

>>542501113
I'm a Winter manager and I can't wait for Autumn so I can just cut-and-paste the best autopilot then get a free pass to final day

4ccg is one of the last bastions of old 4chan. Pointless contrarianism and arguing for the sake of it to pass the time.

>>542501920
Yeah, I've been laughing so hard at you it's even made me cry
My sides haven't hurt this badly in years

>>542502054
>she thinks the 'ccg is the only place on 4chan where people don't argue about inane shit

>>542502201
>"one of the last" means "the only"
>"arguing for the sake of it" means "people don't argue about inane shit"
My liege...

cloud

>15 wont get fixed will be on something else!
>Ok maybe will be on 15 but it's still too old!
>The demonstrations were bad, there's no way Sou will accept this!
>After the qualifiers and akkolel, Sou will make an emergency switch!
>Autumn is going to be so bad, You'll see! <---you are here
>So what if Autumn groups weren't as bad as I was doomposting?!? the knockouts will be what disappoints!
>So what if the knockouts were good? Winter will be a catastrophe!
>What do you MEAN Winter groups wasn't all that bad??? i-it was b-b-bad to me...
>STOP LIKING/BEING FINE WITH PES'S I DON'T LIKE

>>542502594
sangenfags in shambles, not even near the top words used, zoerGODS can't stop winning

zoer general

>>542496918
>>542496859
AFAIK he is a /bag/ fag, I don't think he uses /a/ or cares. But /a/ is still looking for people if he wants.

>>542502594
>rape /fluff/
b-but they're my wives

>>542502594
why can't we just fuck 15 off and go to PES Zoer

There is no point to /a/ anymore after /sp/ won its 3rd star. Just retire the team, they're not even fit to be a rival.

>>542502948
fwiw he used to have a Yotsuba avatar on dicksword, however he never managed /bag/ because he has anxiety issues. I imagine it'd be no different for /a/ or any other team

>>542503118
1**

>>542503118
There is a point to /a/ now /sp/ have left them behind in the dust, to give them the final humiliation of getting overtaken as a fanbase by /jp/, then they can retire as a second best weebshit team.

>>542503252
/a/ still got more colors than /jp/ desu.

>>542503252
/a/ is already the second best weebshit team

>>542503398
Even then they're pretty much tied with /cm/ for that title

>>542502803
zoer wasn't big from day1 either.
It's a work in progress kind of thing methinks. People referring to her general as both /1992/ and /1999/ just like calling her just "the foid" doesn't help either.
It's funny that /civ4xg/ got there.

I require some services, can anyone help?

>>542503564
Nobody cares about /cm/ if you want to hate post at least bring up a fun team like /y/

>>542503661
/cm/ has the same number of stars as /a/ does

>>542502201
YES IT IS FUCK YOU

>>542503028
/zoerzoerzoer/bro btw

>>542504142
NO FUCK YOU

what the fuck do zoer and sangen even mean?
i know who they are but what is the origin of these names?

i have a headache

>>542504446
SEAfag names.

>>542504446
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangenshoku

>>542503349
But it's slipping closer and closer to the same

>>542504592
>Yo*sobi

>>542504748
female pls andastan

>>542504517
sangen is a chink, it's basically consolewarring between a SEA monkey and a chink

>>542504823
>sangen is a chink
source?

Don't worry /a/ haters. Admin will give it meme autos and make sure it stays on fetus forever

>>542504823
SEA chink

>>542504956
i think they should meet up and stream their bedroom adventures.

>>542505073
Kill yourself alex

>>542504941
it's schizo shit

>>542504823
So it's a cute Asian and another cute Asian, what's the problem?

>>542496918
And find a replacement for /@/ as well. I'm tired of losing.

>>542504592
Although it is a possibility it's like saying that somebody named "Yuusha" or "Kaibutsu", so not uncommon words, refers specifically to these songs. Quite silly.

>>542505638
BEEEEE

>>542505638
Have you considered telling your players to not get a red card?

>>542498227
Prow hasn't touched a team in almost 5 years.

Prow touched me yesterday

we NEED PES20

>>542506758
then the wiki for /yucamp/ has not been updated.

>>542506980
Taba signed it up and managed

>>542505638
442, all blanks, clc4f fma56
There that's all you need

>>542507049
well then it's on Taba to update the page.

>>542502594
>/pg/ changes winter rule
W-What are they gonna do?

>>542496764
KWABa is the one shilling FM, I’ve seen him “playing” it for hours, don’t fall for this shit.

>>542507283
rape the /1999/ dykes as God intended.

>>542507257
He won’t, taba didn’t even update the /pg/ page to have anything with vgl 24. The newfag manager did it when he signed up

>>542507626
I hate this fucking gif please never post it again

>>542507403
When I think of FM shills JB or Mundo come to mind before fucking Taba that got into it like a week ago

>>542507776
Taba has been into it for a while now, he tried to make his own /vg/ league on it last year iirc, but probably stopped because of how much work it is.
I don't think it's any of these named guys posting about it, most of them who actually play it a lot know how cumbersome it is.
What we should do is get Streak to run a for-fun sim league if he won't do baseball again.

>>542507172
Actually just steal the /tg/ auto

>>542508007
I miss baseball but It was taking a lot of his time.

Armchair managers are funny

>>542508183
Yeah I know. Sometimes it was like 9+ hours a night, and after the VGL finished. I was waking up and catching the last match of the night sometimes.
I think he might work some weekends too o something? Anyway, busier man these days. I'd like to see some exhibition matches sometimes from him though, just something to spice up the VGL season.

zoer olev

>one the big scary tales going into 15 was the fluid bug
>supposedly it would make your team defend out of formation and play 4-4-fucking-2 out of possession if you didn't run fluid
>so the fetus had mandatory fluid
>which has now been removed because apparently it makes teams play worse (and it's not just /g/ and /t/ being made of glass since a long time ago)
Make it make sense. Is the lesson just that every formation other than 4-4-2 is inferior?

>>542510108
If the fluid bug was as big a team killer as hyped then everyone would have known about it.

the bigger takeaway was that /admin/ don't really know what they're doing and are scrambling to make it look like they are again

[POI news] Dates are being decided this week

>>542510108
i'm still not sure where the big idea came from that it's somehow the fluid that makes them defend really badly.

Either way, there's probably some retarded logic that the way pes wants you to defend (flat 442 for a 4atb or a 352 for a 3atb) is the way it should be done.
There's a big misconception that the only fluid-off defensive formation is 442 but 3atbs actually go to the stock 352 shape

>>542507671
/zzz/bro btw

>>542510443
>/admin/
It's just Sou. /admin/ has said time and time again that Sou takes decisions from one day to another with little to no feedback from /admin/.

>>542510443
This is correct

>>542510629
Man, I remember back when 15 was first used, people were claiming fluid was broken because almost every team that used it got completely slaughtered. Funny how little things have changed

>>542510443
ESLmonarch…….

>>542511241
jack frost with the stepover

>>542510820
That would be fine if at least there were any proper reasoning behind his decisions, but most of them feel like they were taken randomly (like the gamespeed change).

>>542506934
no you dont

>>542510108
Fluid settings carry over from match to match so if say the home team has fluid enabled, the next home team will also have fluid enabled even if they sent a nightly with it off, so it was decided that fluid would be mandatory for all teams to make it easier for streamers. I guess admin assumed most teams would have fluid on anyway because of the fluid bug thing.
>>542510629
Fluid being on can alter player behavior on other PESes so it's not unreasonable to think that problems with defending on 15 stems from it. Either way admin limited tactical options with no real good reason

>>542512161
but we do though

>>542511508
In fairness to Sou, the reason for 15, is that there are no future versions of PES and a significant proportion of people are complaining about everyone running the same tactics on each version. The cup has two good options (17 and 19) and two okay options (16 and 21) though a lot of people complained about both 16 and 21.
PES15 creates another option and if it hadn’t been forced I imagine we would have found another excuse not to use it in 6 months anyway.

>>542512161
Pes20 will save us

>>542512670
I'm sorry but this reads like 'we looked at everything, realised we can't use a new PES, but what about this one that has been the least used viable PES?', No-one asked the question that should have been obvious; is this the least used PES for a good reason?

I get we're stuck without a new PES to use, but so far 17 and 19 have been proven the least scuffed with a wider range of viable tactics than the alternatives. Keep alternating between them on different rulesets that aren't like previous ones. If you can't have a new PES every year, have a new ruleset and keep experimenting with that instead on the least broken PESes. Maybe throw in a wildcard season between either like a cycle on 21 with a new or unused patch, a cycle on 16 after a 17 year, an attempt at patching 18 after a 19 year etc.

This cycle and the next should have been 19 unpatched with a ruleset we haven't ran before or some clear changes that force experimenting and then a cycle on either a new patch 21 or an attempt making 18 work before going back to 17 for two cycles on a new ruleset. But no, we get broken and scuffed 15 instead.

I question the commissioner most, cause after the first two cups in the era both ended up being fun but there was questions about the cup was actually being ran. 15 is turning into the hill Sou clearly wants to go die on regardless of the view of the audience, managers or rest of /admin/, I think it's time to start considering if we have the right commissioner running the cup right now.

>>542510108
It's just that people don't know how to use fluid because they've never had to before and think it's the same as just running your normal presets.

idea for 19: point buy

>>542513764
The demotion is coming if Autumn isn’t a good cup

>>542513764
>is this the least used PES for a good reason?
Holy fucking shit, how many times will people have to drill this in. PES15 ONLY HAD 3 CUPS BECAUSE PES16 WAS CRACKED EARLY AT THE TIME. PES15 IS BEING USED BECAUSE IT WAS THE LEAST USED PES THRU NO FAULT OF IT'S OWN.

>>542513764
I'm not reading all that shit nigga

>>542513764
trvke

/vt/ lel is working on 21

>>542514360
*its

>>542514360
melty in the ‘ccg

>>542513764
It wasn’t the least used pes because people disliked it. It was because 16 was cracked early

>>542514360
>15 apologists getting this mad
KWAB

>>542514360
my liege...

>>542514502
How about they work on getting viewers (from 4chan)

>>542514360
Want some tea

>>542514567
Must be a day ending in y

we should use the version of PES kot wins on

>>542514502
>when his league has a higher pes version than viewer count

>>542514620
dcinside is fine too right

>>542514502
>4cc on broken trash
>vgl on 17
>vtl trying new shit on 21
might be watching

>>542514620
kekypow!

>>542513357
Ruleset and patch autism and formation bans are way worse than having to play 1-2 cups on PES15.
I prefer this to a magical new rule patch which totally will work this time.

>>542513764
>This cycle and the next should have been 19 unpatched
This is the only relevant part of the post you need to read

>>542514668
So the VGL ends.

>>542514594
>>542514626
>>542514573
Well maybe if people stopped making assumptions about why 15 was picked I wouldn't have to yell since it's been said like a million times over the past few months why 15 is being used.

>>542513764
19 is a 2 formation PES

>>542513764
Damn bro all those words and you said absolutely nothing of value fight on sister

>>542514871
451 is good in unpatched and got a third place finish even in the patched one

>>542514835
another trvke

>>542510957
A universal truth in all major cups

>>542513764
You still haven't shown us where you were touched anon. Please calm down and help us help you

>>542513887
I mean there were rigid fluids in this fetus. Look what happened. (It means the same shape for both in possession and out of possession.)

The actual truth nuke it's that PES15 wasn't ever good to begin with and there's a lot of nostalgia attached to it, because for a lot of people that are still around, it was their first PES. The same discussion happens when you talk about 13 if you ever noticed.

>>542515151
So you don't know

>>542514710
Take away the 8gag viewers and the dcinside viewers and the outcome isn't different in viewer size.

>>542515273
And 17, 19 and even 21 have the same autists.

>>542514770
You're incorrect and you replied to the wrong guy, a winning combination.

>>542515273
that's the point. using fluid right takes more mind power than just copying the kick-off formation three times on any given preset. now take your plunger and get to work, plumber, my toilet needs unclogging.

Would (You) give any of the NTC newcuties any actual advice that the commentary didn’t?

is this general 100% mystery meat people? all of you type like them

>>542515094
Genuine newfag question, is 3atb not a thing at all on 19?

>>542515694
what does that mean

>>542515273
>/t/ plays like ass on this PES, therefore it's salvageable tactics wise
Enlightened take

>>542515273
Git gud

>>542515671
I think marking from the opposite side is fucking terrible and would've heavily emphasized not doing that rather than lightly suggesting against it, but nobody else seems to feel that way.

>>542514871
Formations are what the dimwits concern themselves with when looking at exports.

>>542515419
21 has the reverse and especially raped and salty people who shit the bed and start screeching whenever 21 is mentioned, despite it polling in well in multiple feedback forms VGL ran.

>>542515867
Galatic truth

>>542515715
it can work, /tg/ autopilot proved it's viable but not as reliable as other formations

>>542516010
>m-muh VGL polls
I wonder who's behind this post

>>542515273
3 identical formations on fluid plays differently to not playing fluid and it's telling that you don't know this.

>>542516263
Discard the most recent that got absolutely retarded, but the ones before that 21 was the clear closest to 17, it just provokes an extremely assraped minority to go hysterical and start flinging their shit at the walls

>>542514360
>>542514570
where did this fanfic come from anyway?

>>542515490
It actually doesn't require a lot of brain power. If you look at the last cup on 17, the teams that ended up in the final used a somewhat rigid fluid that didn't involve insane movement for the out of possession formation. If anything, if you do an insane out of possession formation, it'll leave you very exposed to counters.

>>542515419
Every PES version has its own problems, it just happens that some have more than others. Imo 19 and 17 overall are the only ones that are good for the cup, but if you want to keep it fresh from both, you'd need to change and get wacky with rules.

>>542516328
As I said, it's the most reasonable thing to do. If you get too much insane with it, you might get very bad results.

>>542516531
Winter 16 was on PES16

>>542516010
I almost want us to use 21 just to see how you bomb in it south American monkey.

>>542516404
>it just provokes an extremely assraped minority to go hysterical and start flinging their shit at the walls
So just like what 15 is causing to happen now? And 17 half a year ago?

holy shit i just read the thread and you're really just cancerous brown monkeys. if the jannies weren't trannies they would've banished you to /b/ or /trash/ where you belong. pointless thread intended to bring 4chan closer to death by offtopic shitposts. kill yourselves, all of you.

>>542516597
and? winter 12 was on 12, 13 on 13, 14 on 14, 17 on 17

>>542516651
I hope they do. I'm good at 21.

>>542516651
I want 21 back because the horsefuckers are too arrogant these days and need the kind of rape and humbling 21 gave them with the several years without a single elite appearance.

>>542516781
If /mlp/ wins in 21 I'm raping you and your mom.

>>542516713
you sound like someone who would also complain about there being no pes discussion and only circlejerking about vgl e-celebs if it was like this

>>542516846
they almost did in World Cup thoughbeit

>>542516781
This has got to be some kind of variation of Mutt's Law at this point
>as discussion of PES versions continue, the probability of 21shills bringing up /mlp/ approaches 1

>>542516781
Because Sita was trash

>>542516590
Clearly it does, because the more you talk about it the more obvious it is you don't know dick from shit

>>542516925
what the fuck does that mean, translate your brownoid babble into english please

>>542516960
It's not like /mlp/ wasn't headed by their worst manager, no sirree, it was BASED 21!!!
Ignore that they got to semifinals in world cup

>>542516960
No it's basic look at the obvious
>21 always gets hysterical hatred the second there's any distant threat of it happening again
>look at who has the biggest vested interest in hating 21
>largest fanbase in the cup got especially raped by 21
>said largest fanbase is a prominent part of nearly every divegrass competition and offseason circlejerk
>noooticing
There's some others but the 21 haters are mostly and overwhelmingly horsefuckers that remember those years of being clowned and cucked out of the elites consistently for three years while other teams somewhat figured 21 and were consistently elite.

To this day /admin/ has yet to produce proof that Sita wasn't Blinky's alt. Think about it

>>542517131
who raped you?

>>542517315
Read >>542517263
>>542517032

>>542517131
>noooo no-one is talking about pes ist just circlejerking about vgl ecelebs in teh offseason
>talk about pes instea
>noooo not like htis

>>542517065
Yeah sure whatever, nice argument. I've been using the fluid option on 15 and if you make your players move too much around when they have to drop back to the out of possession positions, you are very likely getting fucked on a fast counter because you are exposed.

>>542517468
my liege....

I am convinced that only ESLs are still doing the ESL King thing.

>>542517468
Alex please, just shut the fuck up and stop being so raped. Accept /u/ are going to spoon Autumn and deal with it.

i think i prefer zoer/sangenposting over this shit

>>542517914
sangenfags suck, their waifu is broken, dogshit and unbreedable

zoer is the only acceptable answer

>>542517914
I wish vglcord died in a fire.

>>542517914
We know, brown king.

>>542516713
>>542517131
are you new to this thread

>>542517508
AB15-sama, I’m not giving you fluid lessons so you can stop getting raped by 15. you’ll have to learn for yourself why some teams defend well while yours don’t
>captcha: GGWPT

the issue of the version debate is that there are always very vocal grumpy faggots who can't stop whining about whatever version is being used: 16 is bad because too many goals, 17 is bad because langball abuse/corner kicks, 18 is bad because aesthetics drama from 6 years ago, 19 is bad because of shitty keeper 1v1's and mementum, 21 is bad because of patching and spin2win and so on
imo the main issue with the way 15 is being handled right now is Sou being overly ambitious and rushing the game into existence after aesthetics were fixed for good, instead of letting another cup or two being run on a version everyone is more comfortable with (which would've allowed more invitationals/friendlies/test cups to be run and help everyone gauge issues and potential fixes for an actual playable ruleset)

>>542517914
Kill yourself VGL lolcow

>>542517468
yeah you really are a subhuman if you don't have reading comprehension. i don't care about whatever circlejerk you've had here for who knows how long. i just found out there's a blistering tumor in plain sight, and the jannies won't do anything about it. and they'll most likely ban me if i try to point it out, like they always do, anywhere on this site. wanting to keep a board clean is a crime by the looks of it now. again, kill yourselves out of /vg/.

>>542517716
True, in the same way people obsessed with calling you brown tend to be poo skinned themselves
t. /intpol/ pro

>>542518223
>all this just to say I'm new
go back

>>542517914
sangenshit is forced
the only true zoerfag is the retard always posting that BA whore

>>542517315
but /mlp/ did worse on 19

>>542518148
>16
fixed with ruleautism
>17
fixed with ruleautism
>18
whatever
>19
fixed with patchautism
>21
probably the only really unfixable one lmop

>>542518148
Honestly this is probably one of the best anti15 posts I've seen over the past few weeks that isn't just screeching

>>542518223
What the fuck did any of this keyboard diarrhoea mean?

>>542518148
What’s wrong with this ruleset?

the zoer wife poster is sangan and the sangan wife poster is zoer. this was revealed to me in a (wet) dream

>>542518223
calm down /zzz/bro

>>542518148
>16 is bad because too many goals
>15 is only bad because of how it's being handled
15 is just 16 but worse in multiple regards or 16 is just 15 but with improvements to UI and other things, can't you draw the obvious link there?

>>542518864
>15 has RAPED me
we know anti15bro...

>>542518128
I don't need any fluid lessons, and I am not even an "AB15". I think that 15 is just fine. 17 and 19 are still superior to it. At least it's nice to have a 3rd PES option that isn't controversial, like 18 and 16.

>>542518148
That's the same thing with fluid. The screeching about the fluid bug made /admin/ believe that, unless you had fluid on, the teams weren't going to play well, then fetus happened and their panic resulted into the rule change.

>>542518148
>biggest problem with is how badly it’s been rushed and handled in general
Added onto past behind the scenes issues this should be grounds for sacking the commissioner. One fuck up too far this time. Time to postpone Autumn, demote Sou and make Boris or Potato interim commissioner and unfuck this mess before we have a first cup on 18 tier shitshow.

>>542516781
>team gets new manager
>starts being good again after a long streak of being shit with the old manager
>it's the pes version, /mlp/ is shit at 21!
You're 3 brain cells are trying but they are just not getting there.

I want to know how Sou responds to all of this

>>542519220
I know it’s >VGL but running Autumn at the same time as VGL would be worse than just going through Autumn as it stands.

>>542519543
Just cancel VGL.

>>542519604
Good luck convincing Nomo then

>>542519680
I know of a way

Compromise: merge VGL and 4CC into a mega autumn cup on 17

>>542519604
The amount of cup people you’d put offside is a lot more than just sticking with 15 as planned.

>>542519784
He's already used to getting raped, find another way.

>>542519153
That still sounds like admin has no idea of what they are doing. They should know this PES well before deploying it.

15 may not be as good as other versions but I still enjoy my team playing meme divegrass

Ultimately it's too late to move off of 15 for autumn, for the people who really hate 15 this much are all lazy faggots who only started complaining after it was decided and the demonstrations starting being shown when they could've urged Sou and /admin/ to not jump to quickly or to not use 15 before the decision had been made (which had been in talks since during Summer) You had all this time to oppose and you chose to oppose AFTER it was a foregone conclusion and the Mexican had fully made his mind up?

>>542519543
This is the best argument ab15s have?

>>542520213
you are WRONG and STUPID, KYS WHORE

Me and my co

Okay but who's gonna be /trick/'s manager?

admin is so raped they defaulted to designate people who don't enjoy 15 with a nickname, kekypow

>>542520486
where?

>>542518408
to be fair, the main reason the idea of 21 being impossible to fix still floats around is because of the way patchco handled things more than the game itself

>>542518610
like Sou said, 40 goals/group is suboptimal, we got rid 16 on the basis that endless goalfests is bad yet we have something just a bit below but still very much in the "lodsofgoals" territory
obviously 6 matches is a very small sample, but it does give off a general impression that rarely lies

>>542518864
which is why I'm advocating for more time for people to experiment and play around with rules and the game before the version choice is set in stone
going too fast with things is how Spring 19 happened, for instance

>>542520598
blindbro...

>>542520101
I think that it needed a bit more of time and instead to push 15 into Autumn, it should've delayed to Winter and try to force the rest invitational on PES15 to test the waters there.

>>542520748
ab15 is being used for PRO 15 people though retardbro...

>>542520419
Me and my favourite streamer

>>542520842
what does it even stand for? with all the ESL 15 propaganda right now I can't make heads or tails about this tbf

>>542520693
We also had a very bad team in /g/.
I wouldn’t take Akko seriously, a few teams ran tactics that contributed to conceding a lot of goals.

>>542520993
ab15 is Autumn Babby 15. the last official cup on 15.

I prefer we move to PES zoer

>>542502948
I browse the anime general on /3/ and r/a/dio threads whenever they pop up but otherwise yeah, I'm not a regular there
>>542503208
>anxiety issues
this is a big reason why I don't want to get involved with anything 'official'; I panic/get nervous/choice paralysis easily when something goes wrong
another is that I don't really like to test, for Akko I did pretty much nothing after sending the export which wouldn't fly in a 'serious' league
both are fine for managerFC like /fluff/ where the only person caring about the results is me but I wouldn't want to subject a team with a real fanbase to this, desu

>>542521423
>r/a/dio
That's pretty based at least.

>>542521423
> another is that I don't really like to test, for Akko I did pretty much nothing after sending the export which wouldn't fly in a 'serious' league
And you beat multiple 4cc managers

If you don't want endless goals on '15, you need to treat Medium/Many as your neutral. It'll give you some slightly more sane scorelines, even if only one team does it.

>>542521423
stop deleting your messages every day faggot

>>542521006
That's the thing I don't get about all this. It's the fetus, it's the bottom tier of competition. You have /g/ who have been ass for a very long time, /t/ which are a forced meme and /gd/ autopilot with formation that was meant to be autistically livemanaged (and wasn't good). They all suck and semi-competent /int/ promotes easily, but the resulting 6 games are a shitshow. And that's enough to do a last minute 360 and moonwalk away from a rule that has fuckall to do with the quality of these exports?

>>542520229
>You had all this time to oppose and you chose to oppose AFTER it was a foregone conclusion and the Mexican had fully made his mind up?
I think part of it is how late it took to get a functioning exe/compiler/editor so that combined with the usual manager procrastination meant few people started taking a serious look way too late. The first games on 15 with a modern ruleset were a little over a month ago on poorly advertised weekday friendlies that a total of 5 teams submitted shit for.

soullesstrooncer

>>542520229
This argument doesn't make any sense. Sou locked in 15 for the next cup before it was even ready. By the time managers got their hands on it, the cup was only about a month out.

>>542521654
you're telling me teams in the quals running AMC Few might have contributed to the goal count????

Back in the day whenever managers were mad at the rules/a decision taken by /merit/ they'd post on /4ccg/ with their trips on and actually put their asses on the line, instead of this retarded schoolgirl bullshit where they just parrot what their ESL co told them to think

>>542521828
>Sou locked in 15 for the next cup before it was even ready
then why didn't I see anyone months ago tell Sou he's being too hasty over 15? It's almost like people were either lazy or too complacent and trusted Sou's decision too much until it was too late.

>>542521423
>/3/

>>542521961
Wait, did they do that?

>>542522189
Because no one could reliably run PES15 until the LODs were fixed and a save editor was available, which, again, this all happened like a month before the babby.

what kind of cope is this? I've seen people shit on 15 months ago and how it would've been a bad choice for the next PES cup

>>542522303
yeah lmao look at /g/'s games

>>542522328
were they any more relevant than you?

>>542522328
C'mon you fucking sister slap that trip on and put your ass on the line, see if your narrative will hold up then

Yes I love PES15 and yes I love watching my wife have sex with her boyfriend. Problems, liberal?

>>542521423
>/3/
You know how many people want /3/ to come back and hear Supersonik again, you can easily be the team's caretaker if managing makes you too anxious. Lord knows Wyvern is too lazy to do anything.

>>542522189
Everyone was talking about how going to 15 so fast was completely unnecessary on 4ccg and elsewhere. Problem is /admin/ most likely thought it's just coomplaining for the sake of it or another agenda like they always love to accuse people of. Now it's finally hitting them less than a week from deadline that they fucked up.

>>542515273
13 nostalgia is ironic btw. Everyone would agree it was throughball slop with useless goalkeepers only saved by the fact strikers couldn't shoot and teams would get like 9(3) in matches where the entire game was aimless midfield passing until the break.

>>542523094
Are those people in the room with us right now, anon?

>>542523389
Arrows system was gigabased and should make a retvrn

>>542515852
They weren't marking from the opposite side, they were marking from the same side. Man marking just appears like that because 17 (or the version used by the cup) has a visual glitch when marking where PES has the team on the default 4-5-1 even when they're running something different.

>>542523389
i just want nazi refs in more versions but we haven't figured that out yet :/

>>542523094
>Problem is /admin/ most likely thought it's just coomplaining for the sake of it
I mean, is admin not incorrect in this assumption give how much 4ccg tends to coomplain alot for the sake of coomplaining? If a person you know 9/10 times would complain just for the sake of complaining, would you believe him when he has a once in a lifetime valid point before it was too late? admin at that point is just using pattern recognition.

>>542523828
More like nobody who knows how has bothered.

>>542523891
You're right, people don't take anything posted here seriously most of the time. While that other dude calling people out for being pussies about not posting with their names was baiting, he's also right that that would be the only way to get /admin/ to consider whether any complaints from here were valid.

>>542523891
So where's the outlet for dissension and feedback if not /4ccg/? Because no one on /admin/ seems to dissent and the 4cc discord is basically a graveyard.

>>542524280
This is the truest truth nuke. We only ditched the fluid rule because CollieSis shouted about it. If it was only talked about on /4ccg/ nothing would've happened.

>>542524365
BEE

>>542524280
>>542524365
It's become a cry wolf scenario, 4ccg has cried wolf one too many times and now admin won't believe it when the wolf is actually coming for once. admin shouldn't have to divine whether or not the anonymous poster complaining is a shitposter and not being either serious or bad faith or someone actually important like a manager so like as >>542524547 said they will only trust tripfags outside of QnA sessions.

>>542525049
Being a crying wolf situation means that /admin/ listened to /4ccg/ before which just isn't true.
If anything I feel like VGLco listens to this thread more, like when they introduced the rule that would punish teams with outdated wiki pages.

NTC4 vods on >fun when

>>542525384
Did they punish any teams?

>>542525440
VTL has prio, sorry chump

>>542525384
Sou has absolutely implemented things just because /4ccg/ asked for them. Hell, Crimson's had to pin him down to stop him using even more of our ideas.

>>542525596
No, people called it retarded here and they called off the rule shortly after.

>>542525384
>If anything I feel like VGLco listens to this thread more
Because they use the thread so they know how to separate shitpost from actual issue.

>>542525049
That assumes that managers were ever taken seriously and weren't just scoffed at. /admin/ has 0 managers on their team to my recollection as well.
>>542525384
VGLco does a much better job in general of keeping in tune.

>>542525384
didn't they end up backtracking and removing that rule?

>>542525665
>Crimson's had to pin him down to stop him using even more of our ideas
The shadow Crimissioner...

When you open /4ccg/ and the only thing you see every single fucking time is a million zoer posts ( or people jerking off vgl trooncord ecelebs in general) and faggots importing namefag drama, then yeah I can understand why /admin/ doesn't bother listening to what anyone here has to say.

Billions must zoerpost

>>542516713
>banished you to /b/ or /trash/
he doesn't know~

>>542525792
VGL had that abortion of a formation ban in 22. One of the worst tournaments ever.

[Conspiracy theory] VGLco is the one that shits the thread as a way to sabotage /admin/.

>>542525694
>>542525796
Bring it back, outdated wikis are annoying

>>542526021
/dft/bro btw

>>542526148
Nomo kneels to Sou so that's not true

>>542526148
>/vg/ users are the main reason why /vg/ is unusable
Say it ain't so

>>542526148
Running their retarded version poll during the final weekend of summer was an intentional move to dominate discussion and shit this place up during that time

>>542520693
it depends on your definition of "fix", i think 21 being watcheable is more like "mitigate" than fix, and that has to go through a dt18 patch and a new ruleset. Semantics maybe, but still.

is it safe to like 15 here yet

>>542528113
No, only after /admin/ panic switches to naked 18 in Spring and it all starts burning down

>>542528113
Why do you like 15 anon?

>>542528374
i like to watch

>>542528374
Sombrero works.

teams get 2 golds then a choice of 2 92s or 3 88s, that's a simple idea to add some variability to exports

>>542526089
And since nobody liked it they've made it very clear it's not a step they're going to take again

>>542528829
3 88s every time

>>542528829
I don't think they will start messing around with different medal brackets unless they start getting very desperate, though I do find the idea fun (maybe not this particular version though).

/vp/ better have a FBM mega-starmie for autumn
look at him go

>>542531441
Kek

>>542528829
I don't think anyone can look at how easily /kp/ won /ag/ league and ever think that the more medals the better your team is no matter what cost.

>>542531441
Is this Dark Souls?

>>542519220
>Boris

>>542531912
fraid so

>>542528113
>is it safe to like here yet
Never

>>542527354
Nomo also kneels to me to suck my cock
He's quite good at it too

I've just watched riggybet instead of working...

nomo's catgirl is cute

>>542536497
It's all outdated teams and piss 21 tho

>>542536501
That's actually him irl

>>542536497
you should kill yourself instead of doing either

>>542536501
>catgirl
retard

>>542537707
explain

>>542500569
Accurate

>>542536823
how else will I see /diy/ play?

>>542537201
mmmmm
nyo

>>542537201
look what you did, you killed it...

Kissing my zoer wife goodnight.

I wonder who is behind the zoerposting

>>542541174
same guy who was obsessed with the 'soup before that

>>542541438
which was

>>542541438
Yep and I'm certain it's not a complete schizo either. It's someone who seems sane on the 'cord which is the worst part.

I don’t want cryptic puzzles, give us names or gtfo

>>542541174
Tomzai or Cipher.

@gork make me an AI that tells me who is behind each post using discord and cytube messages as training data

>>542542483
all me btw.

>>542542483
cockbush

>>542542483
nomo didn’t slip, he was just being petty after getting rejected

[sex news]

>>542528829
medal brackets are silly

>>542531441
Same vibes.

>>542541438
>the [insert namefag]
Opinion discarded

>>542538818
it's a futanari

>>542543005
floof sexo

Pumping zoer’s baby room with my milky stream

What kind of creature do you picture behind posts like these >>542544040

>>542526203
>Discord Fappy Talky
Isn't that just /offtopic/?

>>542526148
VGLco shills the thread aggressively whenever they get challenged or called out on something contentious in the 'ccg so might be something to that theory

>>542544167
A european

>>542544040
trip on

>>542543592
i don't believe you

>>542543592
i need proofs

>>542544167
Fat greasy European or skinny greasy chain-smoking European.

>>542544452
>>542544587
He's lying I've seen her pussy

>>542544167
South american goblin or SEA

>>542544798
Doesn't refute it, futas are supposed to have pussies as well

>>542541174
One of, some of, or all of the following suspects. In descending order from most to least likely but all with varying degrees of suspicion:
>UberMedic
>Cipher
>cunnysoup
>Cogbrush
>Taba
>Tomzai
>Zoer (it’s an elaborate false flag)
>rabbit2rabbit
>aquantis
>Aoba
>sgbong
>FroggerP

>>542545796
>cipher
Why is he so high

>>542545796
Accurate kill list to improve vgl

>>542545796
WHAT
WHY am I on the LIST?!?

>>542545796
>nah
>very possible
>nah
>maybe
>very possible
>maybe
>nah
>nah
>maybe
>nah
>maybe
>nah

>>542545796
>Aoba
Unlikely, what would he gain from that? Getting raped?
>cunnysoup
>rabbit2rabbit
>sgbong
>froggerp
They don't even use the discord at all dude.

>>542546190
Zoer isn't on the cord either.

>>542545796
care to extrapolate?

>>542545796
>tfw not mentioned

>not on the list
thank god I don't eradiate creep aura

>>542546190
>Unlikely
>he doesn't know about the 'craft incident(s)

>>542545796
Proof?

Nomo I know you are here, post announcing you are going to expose the Zoerposter right now

>>542546035
You've only got yourself to ask.

>>542546501
>eradiate
but you radiate ESL royalty aura

>>542545796
>has made posts in the 'cord that suggest zoerposter of them but probably not the original source
>a prime suspect, even more so from how often he makes WMAF comments, that copypasta is extremely sus
>most likely original source, if not a core zoerposter
>very suspicious, staple 'cord circlejerker too
>regular false flagger in the 'ccg so suspicious but probably not the origin or a prolific zoerposter
>same level of sus as cunnysoup
>hilarious if true but she's probably gone for real and likely doesn't even know this became a 'ccg meme
>maybe and interacted with her but left the 'cord
>circumstantial but unlikely
>unlikely
>made suspicious /offtopic/ posts, but never really in the 'cord circlejerk so unlikely
>probably too lazy to ever zoerpost

>>542546734
I'm retarded, WMAF?

>>542546924
wing mid + attacking mid

>>542546734
FroggerP is also gay so probably unlikely

>>542546924
Look it up on google, retardbro

>>542546962
>WMAM
Fujosis...

Zoer does know about it, I made sure of that... :)

>>542547095
Cipher...

>>542547082
sorry I meant attacking fielder

wwwwwwwww grass

>>542546734
All of them are gay, so probably unlikely

>>542546924
the number one search result for 'wmaf' in /offtopic/ is mostly cipher posts

I'm thinking prime suspect

Since Cipher hasn't said anything to object and no Essex has been posted I think >we should all assume it's Cipher until further notice

>>542546573
Can someone drop the whole ‘craft lore? I really don’t get that shit

>>542547445
tasty

the zoerposter revealed himself already tho

Quick, check days where Cipher streamed and see if there were zoer posts during them

>>542547875
*gasp*

>>542546573
>'craft incident
Elaborate further..

Its actually The Crimson Man

>>542548671
Nonsense, he doesn't use /4ccg/

hop on

drop their server so i can grief nor/mlp/erson’s house

>>542548968
>nor/mlp/erson’s house
does he know?

>>542548563
KWABa ragequit because someone kept griefing his stuff

>>542531441
>Have to dodge roll in a fucking pokemon game
What the fuck

>>542549045
Yes I don’t know, you big retard

>>542549374
griefing with what? mating press jokes?

>>542548968
>normalfagperson
>spending time in a minecraft server

>>542549374
Zoer was griefing Taba?

wtf I'm a massive zoerfag now

>>542546035
Check the number of posts you have in the cord, and reflect on your actions

What if I told you Sou is a psyops to ultimately ruin the reputation of PES15 that was years in the making? And what if I told you the truth was leaked in a series of sign messages placed at random locations on the 'craft server?

>>542550995
That's bullshit, but I'll believe it.

>>542549374
did he for real?

>>542551616
Someone was definitely fucking with his stuff and blew up his nuclear reactor. He was the only person ever targeted. But iirc he didn't quit until after he got into a fight with some other third worlder over some small plot of land that was next to Reso's house.

>>542550995
>The 2huminati planned this far in advance
Yet /admin/ will continue to deny their existence. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

>>542551156
Took the words out of my mouth.

>>542552693
That's kinda gay

>>542552271
KWAB

>some top market vt teams are skipping vtl friendlies
>instead are hoping to play in christmas divegrass
absolute state of the vtlel

>>542552903
No one cares

>>542553021
As a DBC fan I care about not having half the lineup be vtl refugees.

>>542552903
kwab

>>542553092
here's how they get even more teams in the 4cccl

>>542553092
Thy should just make their own vtl. With blackjack and hookers.
Actually, the hookers are already included.

>>542552903
Don't let them in

>>542553092
>>542553826

>>542554054
And last year we got teams like /joshu/ created specifically to circumvent that limit.

You heard them , organizer. Count them as part of that shit too.

>>542550219
>he isn't circlejerking
what the hell...

>>542547801
>lore
here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LqndlRkG719IQPd-D-BM4DUZ7j9Lx_V4/view?usp=sharing
http://rina.place/world.zip

>>542555429
Aw sweet, a zipbomb. Thanks Anon.

>>542555429
AOBAAAAAAAAA

>>542555429
Don't open, it's full of catgirl futanari pics.

>>542554372
i dont see a problem with it. if anons are no longer fulfilled by their home league and think of shitpost cups as more fun, then that is a compliment.

>>542555429
Thanks for the dolphin porn

>>542556056
That sounds a lot like the usual excuses for promoting immigration.

>>542555429
how do I even use that? what's the lore?

>>542552903
just include more tower and 8ch teams ezpz

Two small news for DBC:
I've made some changes to the height brackets, give me your thoughts so I can ignore them or not if you sound smart
Also depending on streamer availability and how fast sign ups will fill, I might consider increasing the tournament size to 48 (would mean league limits get increased to 6 too)

>>542555918
Sou when are you going to address the concerns over 15

>>542555918
sou, you're thoughts?

>>542557282
your grace...

>>542556984
looks interesting, looking forward to see what teams do with it and the medal choices

>>542556984
i'd prefer the original rules, specially with whatever the fuck the first one has been changed into

>>542556984
gonna go manlet silver because even with giganiggas i still cannot figure out how to make longball consistent enough

>>542557434
you can use the extra 50 cm you are given however you want, buffing two players by 25 cm, distributing them equally among the squad etc
so the bracket with the 210 cm player can be replicated but you also get 25 cm more then

>>542518408
18 can also be improved on with ruleset autism

>>542556984
>50cm can be freely allocated to any players
has any ruleset ever done this before?

>>542555429
>3GB
All me driving up the world file

>>542557810
old 4cc rules

>>542553826
t. TMA

>>542557625
i do think that might be a little too complicated, not that most managers can't follow the rules but just having exact heights might be better

i just pooped a giant turd

>>542555429
Can someone BEE and post what's this all about?

>>542550008
Kept blowing up his nuclear reactor, his home and kept stealing all his stuff.

>>542559421
kekypoo!!

streamers for NTC next week when

>>542559443
>minecraft
>nuclear reactor
kill mod autists

>>542559421
*monster poo*

>>542559604
Saturday: dtroit
Sunday: mantis

>>542559690
>dtroit
Sending all the newcuties to the nutty putty cave I see

>>542559604
Saturday: Kot
Sunday: Rabi

>>542559805
so all teams will draw on saturday?

>>542556984
>might consider increasing the tournament size to 48
That's easier said than done. Watch out for cup fatigue.

>>542560751
DBC is on a fun PES. It will be fine

>>542552903
some teams have a grievance with non /vt/ teams being in the /vt/ league
>well tough if you dont like it dont sign up
said teams opt out of /vt/ league events so they can hopefully play in other 4cc events
>wtf thats insane why would they do this?

I can't believe /aesco/ is more competent than a multimillion-dollar company.

>>542563452
I can't believe gamefreak ripped off squeenix

>>542559421
We're sending over our top plumber.

>>542566032
O PLYUMBEEEER

>>542563452
Game Freak is just embarrassing

>>542566181
Just like /vp/ kekypow

>>542563452
what am i looking at here

>>542563056
I have grievances with the ruleset of /vt/ League. I don't see the point participating and giving my thread fatigue if we are joining DBC to play with other category of teams.

>>542525918
>trolls do things to annoy you
>get annoyed
>repeatedly, loudly post about how it annoyed you
That will make them stop

>>542563452
The pokegirls are pretty cute doe

>>542566603
what is /yourthread/?

>>542567086
Anything looks better after the shit designs of SV.

>>542518148
>16 is bad because too many goals
and every goal is the same, and the goalkeepers are broken, and the defenders barely function, and it looks like fucking shit in general. Not only is it boring as fuck, the 15 goals every game makes it even worse because matches go forever too.

If PES didn't use /wsg/ to meme /u/ in the final, not a single person would be defending the last 16 cycle at all.

Divegrass watchers learning about "goal variety" is worse than gamers learning about "gameplay loop".

>>542563452
>>542567086
meanwhile, on the other side of the fence.....

>>542566331
the whole game map is a single model

>and every goal is the same, and the goalkeepers are broken, and the defenders barely function, and it looks like fucking shit in general
wow its just like 15

>>542567943
thanks for your input cipher

>>542567709
this is the absolute trvth nvke, Summer 24 is mostly only remembered because it was /wsg/'s big break and star winning run where they came back against /u/ in the most amazing way possible (Obligatory 9/11 thread scoring a miracle game tying goal, the player the management as been trying to get to score all cup)

>>542568184
*had been not has been fuck

>>542567975
Explain this in 4cc/vgl terms

>>542567975
good lord

>>542568613
The switch is Bird's PC, the map is /vt/ with 4k resolution models

>>542568959
so it's fine? it was crimson's pc that eats shit whenever /vt/ is present

>>542568613
every player in a team's aesthetic export has 4k textures that are duplicated. and they ask Dtroit to stream them.

>>542569029
Oh true, I mostly zone out whenever /vt/ is playing

>>542569128
What kind of Pokemon live in the nutty putty cave?

>>542569629
Snorlax

i know a /trick/bro who manages, but you wouldn't like them to manage /trick/

>>542573870
i am also a /trick/bro who manages but i am dogshit

>>542573870
k'wab doesn't manage tho

>>542574340
you're not scraping the bottom of the barrel hard enough my friend

>>542574225
I am also a /trick/bro who manages and is dogshit we should manage together
Just don't make me do aesthetics though

>mystery box
don't care, if he's not relevant enough why should you bring them up?

>>542574895
can you imagine modelling a roster of 23 underpainted chibis?
i'm done just thinking about it

>>542573870
i don't want to manage them, since that would mean me having to ask anyone else to make 22 models but i have at least something that could be used as a base but i'm no 3d artist

>>542574895
>>542575067
crayon colored animeheads with PH-kun bodies will be SOVL

>>542575067
The concept of figuring out how to weight paint cheeks to make them look like they're being squeeze shouldn't excite me so much.

>>542575067
underpainted chibi proportions are easier than regular paint anime proportions

>>542575186
No they must be tiny

>>542576063
every player is actually standing atop a tower of 1* characters

>>542503648
Curious n1999er checking out this divegrass thing. Is this Sangen our representative?
>People referring to her general as both /1992/
Why 1992?
>just like calling her just "the foid"
Is Sangen a confirmed woman? Not that it matters, it's just that our biggest inside joke is that there aren't actually any women in our general and everyone is just pretending.

>>542578136
So you don't know?

>>542578136
>Is this Sangen our representative?
That's the name in the wiki.
>Why 1992?
So you don't know.
>Is Sangen a confirmed woman?
We know as much as you.

>>542578136
Sangen is your manager, yes.
So you don't know?
Not a confirmed woman, everybody here is just a useless shitposter

>>542578136
>Sangen our representative
Yes they are your manager that pilots /1999/'s export.
>why /1992/
So you don't know
>Is Sangen a confirmed woman
Iffy but people want think they are, people keep talking about how /1999/ has alot of femanons there and alot of women play 1999 (especially chink women)

>>542578136
>Is this Sangen our representative?
Yes the manager
>Why 1992?
Kevin Nash was raped in 1992. This is a /pw/ joke which is the primary board this general gets jokes from. "So you don't know" is also a /pw/ joke.
>Is Sangen a confirmed woman?
No there's just some weirdos here who create parasocial relationships with their own fictional representations of managers.

>>542578636
bellets :DDDDDDD

>>542578136
you got 5 responses already so I'll ask you to post the best girl from your game instead

>>542578493
>We know as much as you.
Clearly way more.
>>542578568
>people keep talking about how /1999/ has alot of femanons there
Based on thread polls, no.
>>542578636
>Kevin Nash was raped in 1992
I still sincerely don't know if that's real or if he's pretending it isn't because the alternative is worse.
>"So you don't know" is also a /pw/ joke.
I haven't seen this one before. What's the context?

>>542578865
You tell me

>>542578865
The /pw/ meme is also to give non-answers to things. You won't get a straight answer. We literally do not know more than you and anybody who says otherwise is full of shit

>>542579153
I thought it'd be something funnier, thanks though.

>>542578865
>"So you don't know" is also a /pw/ joke
I'm not super versed in wrestling as most of what I know comes from here, but it's referred to as Meltzer Speak and the joke repeatedly giving each other non-answers. (So you don't know ---> You tell me ---> ok how you know)
>I still sincerely don't know if that's real or if he's pretending it isn't because the alternative is worse
Yes, Kevin Nash was infact raped in 1992 and is the reason for people saying KWAB (Short for either Kevin was a Bitch or Kevin was always Based depending on the circumstance)

>>542579373
excuse you, Kek What a Bitch

>>542579459
Shit you're right it was Kek not Kevin.

>542579401
>>>/r/umamusume/

>>542578865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-841xGlAr_o

Kevin Was Always Based

>>542579373
While Dave is the one that contributes the most to it (hence why it was coined as Meltzer Speak), not all the phrases were said by him. "Ok how u know" was said by Andrade for instance.

>>542579803
Balls deep inside ilya

If zoer was a vtuber there would be 5 teams dedicated to her and TMA will do nothing to stop this.

most vgl managers hate /vt/umors

>>542586252
Cipher...

>>542586375
Most people hate /vt/umors.

Whats up with /vt/ hate

[gook news] Reverse 1999 Korean division is now in support for their new manager and even praised the music taste of the manager and picked the best songs as their victory anthem.

Source: https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=reverse1999&no=494475

>>542588265
Talking about yourself in third person is embarrassing. Stop it.

>>542588265
The mother one with the shitty British va is one of the worst goalhorns I’ve heard in a long time, I’d put it down there with the /lcg/ cocomelon horns

>>542590065
name 3 goalhorns that could loop twice and still be hype to hear.

>>542590201
Kickstart my heart
Can can sandstorm
Gogeta vs Broly (/dbg/ version, not the shitty /vt/ reimagining of it)

Melty in the tumor cord

>>542590201
Database
Create machines
Mobius 1 stole the precious thing

>>542578804
Since he didn't answer I'll do it. I say it's Nautika. Sadly a victim of lacking a 3D model.

>>542567124
/haha/

If she's best girl, why doesn't she have a model, huh?

>>542592236
judging by the webm i figure it might have something to do with being half-monster.

>>542592236
Correction: a model exists, but it's semi-official and extremely unlikely for them to hand it over. So it might as well not exist for us...

So not the best girl at all, understandable.

>542593218
Game looks like ass

>>542588265
>best songs
I don't know about that chief.
ezios horn is straight up ass.
how the fuck does the scene girl song connect to this either?
feels random as fuck.

>>542588265
>Another offsiter team

>>542503648
/civ4xg/ is there because of their ridiculous export with a gold CMF

My zoer wife is my best girl.

>>542595853
fan animation, not the game

>>542595853
Nice reading comprehension.

/vg/ league!

>>542543005
smooching and breeding nomo

>>542596552
based

>>542596078
Nothing wrong with gold CMF

>>542598182
2 goals in 2 games

>>542598328
You can't attribute a teams scoring to just one player.

>>542599024
OK, look at the other teams' GF across 2 games.

>>542599075
How is the rest of the /civ4xg/ export and sliders?
How did their matches go?

team girlfriend?!

>>542599329
they won 0-1 vs hdg but mostly because neither team had a functioning attack
they got blown the fuck out by 1999, which has the vrg strikers and manlet CBs, mostly because they just couldn't get through the 4atb. hdg was running 3atb and they were struggling against that too.

>>542599552
Every team needs a cheerleader

>>542599714
>new manager doesn't now how to build an offence
>this makes gold cmf a meme

>>542600372
what's the use case for a gold cmf

>>542600836
/ag/ league meme tactics

>>542600836
4-4-2 with no AMF but have a gold hole player CMF at the top of the diamond

>>542601819
so why not have a gold AMF hole player

>>542601887
Because AMF is overrated on 17

my strikers dodging their responsibilities (scoring)

>>542602241
pictured: Git gud

>>542559159
I changed the wording a bit now and gave an example what can be done with it

>>542601819
let me rephrase:
what's the use case of a B2B gold cmf

>>542603881
/meg/ used to use it in a 3-5-2 on PES17. Did okay without being amazing.
Its sub optimal but its not a meme tactic.

>>542603881
Gold stamina, keep him going all game. Slap on a track back so he'll stay aggressive all the way down the pitch. If your attack stalls out, he will properly get up in the box instead of being a backpass magnet.

>>542603881
B2B cmfs score regularly on PES17, Gold has better stamina and boosts your central midfield which some managers might like if they were running silver wingers.

what are the expectations for next week's NTC games? any favourites? any bad guys who barely live managed and ran a pseudo autopilot?

>>542605758
*this week

>>542605758
fuck foids, fuck gachas, fuck chinks and fuck /u/fags, glory to /hdg/.

>>542605949
ok gio

>>542605758
>any bad guys who barely live managed and ran a pseudo autopilot?
If it works what is wrong with this?

>>542606159
I watch ntc for the newfag autism
if I wanted to watch autopilots play I'd watch the 4cc

>>542597750
Why

>>542605758
Group A seems to be clear, /pg/ + maybe /gig/, Group B is the wildcard zone and the more interesting one.
After civ4x turned out to be a massive disappointment I no longer have favs.

>>542610551
That's the only reason why you'd ever come to vmg if gachas are vg-approved.

Where the fuck are the vods for the fetus?

>>542614097
aborted

>>542610551
gacha gameplay is 10% opening the game for the daily rewards and 90% shitposting about why /yourgame/ is in fact better than /othergame/

>>542605758
>any bad guys who barely live managed and ran a pseudo autopilot?
/pg/ didn't really make many changes but can you really blame the manager when /pg/ was never behind?

>>542615263
did they at least run a different preset for each game

What would happen to a cup if a team with the most testers could test sets of tactics 24/7 and do data visualization on the results?

>>542616005
/mlp/ and /u/ finals every elite

>>542616005
nothing because it's not representative

>>542578804
Loggerhead! but she's not very popular.
>>542579373
That is funny, thanks.
>>542579803
Very informative, thank you as well.

>>542616005
ask /lcg/

>>542616005
good morning sir

>>542616005
nothing because the game is still RNG in the end

>>542615691
I believe both were on preset 1, but with very different sliders (I saw it for a split second but game 2 they were running possession wide)

>>542616628
thats fine at least. shows that they did testing.

>>542596034
It's one of the manager's sidekicks posting this there and then coming here to feign support of a sense of insecurity. Strange, really.

remember when the biggest argument behind not going to old versions was 'no portraits'... good times

>>542617662
I still dont understand why cant we just use the latest version

AOBA! You unleashed pes15! YOU must give us pes20 to make up for your transgression! AOBAAAAAAA!

>>542618389
no coach mode

>>542617575
proof?

>>542618389
each version has its own quirks and the downsides of the newer ones outweigh the upsides. It's about finding the one that sucks the least.

>>542618625
>>542618698
Is there a post or pasta that outlines the issues? pls spoonfeed

>>542618650
I'll scan and post their signed and notarized affidavit in a bit.

>>542618826
Efootball is entirely unusable because it doesn't have any of the features we use to setup Ai vs AI matches. That's basically all you need to know.

>>542619157
so you're schizoing out thanks for confirming

>>542618389
>>542618826
The "latest version" is either PES21 or eFootball depending on what you mean by latest version.

eFootball (released in 2022) still has no coach mode/EDIT file (aka the things that allow us to do set up CPU vs CPU matches with manager input)
PES21 is the latest viable version of PES that isn't eFootball.
However it has massive issues with its gameplay, which required custom patches attempting to fix it (and none ever did fix it, just made it worse).

It's also a problem of, since eFootball is still not viable to use, we only have past PES versions to choose from. Usually every year or two PES versions are switched up to keep things fresh and interesting.

>>542619193
You're totally not proving me right ;^)c

>New Thread Cup
>look inside
>433 langball
>copy of vgl24 champion team
>livemanaging consists of +1 gegen

>>542619519
You'd have posted substantial proof if this was real, but you know that it isn't.

>>542619189
>>542619402
I meant 2018-2021 but thanks

>>542619658
It's hilarious that 2 matches was enough for someone meltdown this hard over a team.

>>542619402
>and none ever did fix it, just made it worse
a single match of stock 21 is enough to disprove this lmao

>>542619658
>>542619753
Nta but you seem so upset I believe it a little

>>542619645
>433 langball
>livemanaging consists of +1 gegen
Not surprising for new managers

>>542619692
PES2018: people don't like it, it's as simple as that
PES2019: overplayed
PES2021: stock gameplay is unwatcheable garbage and no one wants to be the guy to start patchfagging again

>>542619645
so newfags act like newfags?

>>542619881
I like unpatched PES2021 though

>>542619964
Good for you anon

>>542619964
you also like raw anal sex as the bottom which may or may not be correlated.

I interrupt your PES version bickering to say that I want a paizuri from Hanyuu

>>542619645
/fng/ vs /hdg/ is the antithesis of this statement.
even though the /hdg/ manager dominated, he responded to the /fng/ managers changes (which were actually solid, just a bit too late) instead of jorking it to 0-5.
and both teams are 3atb.

>>542619881
>PES2019: overplayed
Hello, I'm just passing by from the Catalog. What does this mean? Does it look the different between versions that you all get tired of using the same one for too long that you go back to older ones?

>>542620147
I'd prefer naizuri from Rika tbdesu

>>542620231
my liege, you is correct.

>>542620251
>>542620147
Who?

>>542620251
Based, but also I want Rika to sit on my face.

>>542619692
>2018
People don't like this version because when it was first used the cups were extremely boring slop and so everyone was left with a negative impression of it. It will probably have to be used again at some point down the line though.

>2019
One of the most overused PES versions, especially in recent years. It's ok. Definitely better than 18 and 21. But while it's gameplay is mostly good and watchable it will occasionally have some absolute dogwater matches where one team never had a chance from the first minute the game started and gets horribly raped 7-0.
Every PES version can have matches like that but I thought it was especially more noticeable and frequent on 19. Also strikers love to just dribble the ball straight into the keeper.

>2021
Lots of gameplay issues built in to the point the average viewer can notice how fucked up some things are. Every cup had a different patch and they all sucked and for every problem they fixed, they just introduced new problems on top of it.
Probably the most divisive PES version although I think more managers overall hate it then like it.

>>542619761
Trip on MarcoZ/Gio

>>542619795
Or I'm asking for the barest semblance of proof? Even the most insignificant vglcord drama gets receipts.

>>542620436
Thanks, so whats the plan? another year of 15 then 17 again or 16? or lower?
>>542620634
Dont get mad at me I just shared my 2 cents as an outside viewer or w/e the term is

>>542619692
>2018
Infamous for being the version where defense and keepers are over powered, if you want to really understand why people have ptsd over this version just goo look at Spring 19's page on the wiki and count how many 0-0s and 1-0s it gave groups.
>2019
Second most use PES ever currently (12 cups, behind 17 now at funnily enough 17) Can be fairly watchable but has some the worst problems with momentum (you can go from winning hard in the first half to being hapless in the second with no way of stopping it) or PES deciding your team will hold idiot ball and not be allowed to play for 90 minutes.
>2021
A divisive version that involved alot of patching that people also have ptsd over, 3-4-3 was so overpowered it had to be banned, let's Spin To Win goals and one vgl team won a vgl where half of their goals were free kicks on it which made people go "Free Kick Free Goal/FKFG"

>>542620809
>Thanks, so whats the plan?
Right now it's PES15 for the rest of the year and also going into the Winter Cup for next year

There's nothing concrete planned out after that yet but it's looking most likely that the cup and VGL will probably head to PES21 since PES15 isn't being very well received and PES17, as good as it is, is the latest PES that we are just switching off from after around 2 years (i think?) of being on it. And before that we just had PES16.

>>542621014
*lots of