Thread 543015913

We run this place edition

>Demo Days
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Older: https://hackmd.io/LhEB6VCZSx-oBalI2cWWoA

>AGDG resources
https://hackmd.io/dLaaFCjDSveKVeEzqomBJw

>Helpful links
New Threads: >>>/vg/agdg
Archive: https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/subject/agdg/
/agdg/ Steam Games: https://made-by-agdg.vercel.app/
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>How to Screen Record
https://getsharex.com/
https://obsproject.com

>How to Webm
https://github.com/argorar/WebMConverter
https://github.com/michaelmob/WebMCam

>Previous thread
>>542933790

I can't code.
I can't do art.

CHADgoon, incinerate this entire thread

You are forced to play a game with either art like this or arteficial inteligentce gene'd art which one are you choosing?

>>543015913 (OP)
repostan progress

retopoed the whole head using #1 in this website.
https://animecglab.com/en/4-categories-of-face-topology-in-anime-3d-model/
I really suggest if you're making an anime model. It makes your stuff good at side/semiside/bottom/top angles.

Did some texturing,shading and also outlines.

Next one is rigging and im done. This already took like 4-5 days of free time.

>>543015913 (OP)
bocchads assemble

>>543016579
PYW?

>>543016670
>>543016681
amateur gamedev?

>>543016681
Sup

>>543016670
Why did you retopo frieren, you can't put her in your game right?

>>543016739
post your wiener?

>>543016758
art is part of gamedev

>>543016758
anime gamedev

>>543016636
Hey that's the puppet from mr rogers neighborhood

>>543016892
so is gameplay, why dont you do that

>>543016892
do you own the redditren IP?

Success breeds jealousy, reporting in.

normie life is poor preparation for the jobby of gamedev.
>school -> college -> degree -> job -> make a decent living
this generally works. same with other normie pursuits like going to the gym or building your credit score.
but gamedev doesn't respond predictably to hard work. you can be smart and work hard and still flop. or you can be a retard and make a game that appeals to other retards and be set for life.
I don't know if this is encouraging or discouraging because I'm a hard working retard.

Check out this retarded niggerdog. What do we think about his design?

>>543017276
i like it

>>543016636
did you make that? I'd play it over intelecvition gene'd slop

WE BUILT THIS CITY
we built this city on bocchitheROCK and ROLL

>>543017024
not yet but i will buy it by the time my game is ready for release

>>543017179
FACE azurcris

>>543016820
big guys assemble

>>543017413
This is the worst pixel art ive ever seen

>>543017413
sovl

>>543017249
Na. If you flop, you weren't working smart. Luck is the difference between a $1m game and a $10m game, but it's not the difference between a $1k game and a $100k game.

>>543017249
>normie pursuits like going to the gym or building your credit score
Got sad news for you if you think that's normal. If you're doing those things now you are exceptional.

reminder that >>543017460 means the same as >>543017487

>>543016681
fry all bocchers in egg-likes. dropfry bocchers from balconies. beheadfry your local bocchers.

>>543017594
the fat rapist diaper man is pretty kino thoughbeit

>>543017460
You havent seen my games sprites yet then

>>543017549
so how much have you earned from your games so far?

>>543017560
where I live those are the normiest of normie activities.

I'm considering making a fangame.
Should I?
I could release it anonymously

>>543017748
>so how much have you earned from your games so far?
I'm a normie and made nearly a million dollars so far in the wagecage.

>>543017863
fangame of what?
why anonymously? holocure was pretty well received

>>543017863
maybe kill yourself retard

we won sisters
reporting in

>>543017179
seems ok. but the belt looks like we are looking up at it, but down at his shoulders, so unless he's sitting with his hip angled weird, the belt should be seen from above like the shoulders are.

>>543017876
sorry, I don't argue with nodevs. good luck with your $100k game though.

>>543017335
Yes i did.
It is my human drawed art indeed.

>>543017383
i will outbid you and gift it to fygoon

>>543017863
sure. I only played it briefly but I liked the shader at the time

>>543018094
you have a good eye for character design.

>>543017335
>>543016636
what is this? is there more?

Sayonara, ferrow Bocchita...I mean """chads""". Have you arr heard of "Arisa f strane chutes"?

>543017549
>543017876
Why do you keep posting this retarded shit? Kill yourself immediately.

>>543018642
KEKYPOW

>>543018669
>Too bitch to actually link the posts

>>543017863
a fangame of what?

Marnix on suicide watch

fygoon needs to go outside

>>543017705
this looks great actually. more?

>>543017937
>fangame of what?
Some RPG I think. Maybe Pokemon (specifically gens 1-5, not gens 6+, fuck any piece of pokeslop made after 2012), maybe Fallout/TES, idk
>why anonymously
See: Nintendo.
>>543018378
Not making a fangame of killer 7, never even played it, I just like posting posting random funny pics to accompany my questions.

>>543018642
Stop posting tranime. Tranime/ avatarfags are ruining this general.

OP here was tough deciding which faces to remove to hit 256

>>543019004
go admire your cock pics some more faglord lmao

>>543018969
>Not making a fangame of killer 7, never even played it,
a fan game of killer 7 by someone who's never played it would be a pretty fun idea though. don't even look stuff up just go on vibes. but probably hard to muster the motivation if you're not a fan...

>>543019170
Please tell me you removed the scalp underneath the hair

>>543019170
cute

Everybody who's telling you "good games sell themselves" or whatever is either a retard, a steam shill, or both.
The internet has changed. Forums died, social media is completely different now and mostly filled with bots, and its hard to even get traffic to a website now let alone get people to download something from it because Google throttles traffic to small websites.
The environment that Minecraft, FNAF, Undertale, Cave Story succeed doesn't exist anymore.
And anybody who says "good games sell themselves" operates under the false assumption that it still does.

>>543019170
damn, good job. gonna take it all the way to texture, rig and silly mocap imports?

>making the snowball fight game
>assumed this whole time I could just have a html5 embed on itch, and connect to my server on aws, but browser CORS rules prevent that
>I'd have to host the game myself to have a web player that can connect to a dedicated server.
Oh well, I guess people have to download it instead

>>543019462
find 5 good games that didn't sell

>>543019664
Banquet for Fools
Banquet for Fools
Banquet for Fools
Banquet for Fools
Banquet for Fools

>>543019342
I did

>>543019489
We'll see, but texture first

>>543019727
200 reviews for an early access crpg seems ok. it sold. full release will probably see 500+

>>543019884
Nice hairdo.

>>543019664
Any game I list you'll come up with some asinine excuse on how it's "not good akshually".

>>543020150
its not good though

If Tehsnakerer would play my game right now, he could literally make me rich overnight.
But he won't.
That's how evil basedtubers are.

>>543020150
I've seen that done. I wouldn't do that.

>"good games sell themselves" is a lie
>>prove it by posting good games that didnt sell
>uhh but you'll just say theyre not good
ever consider that maybe they aren't good? what makes you think they are?

The only shit you consider "good" is shit that sells a lot of copies, so by your logic even fucking call of duty and football games are good.

>>543019462
>steam shill
Steam explicitly tells devs to market their games themselves

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/marketing/bestpractices

so I don't think whoever says "just make good game" is a steam shill I think they just actually have no idea how steam works and think launching a game and hoping it gets discovered on steam and somehow goes viral from word of mouth is a thing.

>>543020943
and whats your criteria for good? "uhhh because i say so"?

>>543020943
try me.

Wow. You know this place is truly jeeted to the max when saying "just because it sells a lot doesn't mean it's good" is causing this much seethe.

>>543020943
well yeah those games are fun, what of it?

>Unreal Engine makes your game look like plastic and kneecaps performance
>Unity is made by absolute imbeciles and is filled with deprecated / half implemented features
Is Godot really the only not shit engine?

>>543021136
at least a hundred very positive reviews. after all it's those who played the game that decide whether it's a good game, not those who've just seen it and decided not to buy it.

>>543021423
>just make game for me engine why you no make game for me
NGMI

>launch steam game page
>if I get 10k+ wishies I move to Hungary to dodge taxes like that jap did
Is this loophole still available?

>>543021586
Did you reply to the wrong post?

>>543021423
>Unreal Engine makes your game look like plastic and kneecaps performance
skill issue

>>543021435
if you really cant tell the difference between these 100 review games and actually good games then you should give up on gamedev

>>543021423
Godot isn't good either

>>543021317
5% or this thread are actively working on games and of that 5% only 1% are working on games because they like doing it, the rest just think it's a get rich quick scheme

>>543021651
since when does Hungary not have taxes?

>>543021651
dont see why not

>>543021423
>>543021661
Everything you said here is stupid. You're looking for reasons why you can't make a game and blaming it on engines. Give godot a try and when you decide that sucks as well you can finally give up on gamedev.

>>543021651
you can just open an offshore account like anyone does

>>543021662
>posts 2 plastic looking games
um?

>>543019192
Too bad you don't have one to admire anymore, tranime spammer

>>543021423
No Godot is shit too but I use it because at least nobody can remotely disable access to my projects because they think I owe them money. Game engines are always a case of pick your poison. And making your own engine is also poison.

The important thing is to stick to your choice instead of engine-hopping

>>543021662
>posts a game that had a team of career artists working on it

>>543021816
It has 1% flat tax on online businesses and low regulation so it's simple to do

>>543021686
players are the only ones who get a vote whether a game is good or not. I'm not interested in your vibes-based definition of a good game which boils down to your uninformed opinion.

>>543021317
low iq post and false equivalency

>>543021952
yes, that's why I said it's a skill issue. and those are two games: Bioshock Infinite and Dishonored.

>>543021902
get a brain MRI.

>>543021662
Okay but that is UE3, which was back when the engine was still good (minus texture pop-in).
It wasn't until UE4 and especially UE5 now that the engine has become a bloated mess that actively makes games look worse despite the huge performance impact a lot of it's features have.
Don't even get me started on Nanite and Lumen, two features that murder performance just to save a couple hours of dev time.

I guess you were not arguing in good faith

>>543022142
>get a brain MRI.
I didn't say they look bad. infact I cried when I heard antonov had died.

https://x.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1979218811527270584
He's full on chudmaxxing now lmao

>>543016670
mirin. How long you've been modeling for?

>>543020943
>>543021136
"good" is subjective and doesn't mean anything which is why "just make good game" should be ignored. It doesn't mean anything.

"Market your game" does mean something. It's a concrete action that you can take to succeed. This is what causes lazy devs to say "nooo I'll just make good game and then the world will pay me". That's pipedreaming.

>>543021941
bodied that freak

>>543019170
she looks like she fuck high poly men

Thinking solo dev is a bad idea
Considering working on a WFH job in the games industry instead

>543022113
Notice how he immediately starts kvetching when called out on being a jeet. Curious, isn't it?

>>543021961
I'm not a Hungarian accountant but a 1% online business tax should be pretty easy to confirm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Hungary
ctrl+f 1% no results
also, you do realize that to actually be able to spend that money on non-business items, you will need to pay yourself a salary on which you need to pay income tax and mandatory social contributions?

>>543022365
and no cause of death which bugs me to no end.
but if you think your game needs to look anywhere close as good as those two games, you're very much mistaken.

>>543022439
Normally I wouldn't respond to you for being an e-celeb cocksucker but this is a rare nugget of actual sense in your posting. It doesn't matter how good your game is, organic discoverability doesn't exist anymore, and you are right, you NEED to market your game at least somewhat.

Now marketing itself being satanic and rigged is a whole another story, but yes it is absolutely necessary for success.

>>543022548
Maybe it was another country in the commie block
Personal taxation there on a modest salary will be way lower than if I attempt to get taxed here.

>>543022467
why not do both

>>543022809
bing tax haven

>>543022771
>rare nugget of actual sense
>e-celeb
Disregarding expert advice because it comes from someone who has a youtube channel isn't reasonable. It's not rare, it's beginning to end worthwhile information. They have followers for a reason.

>>543022439
Marketing a shit game won't make it sell nor will it make people play it. Cuffbust is a recent obvious example.

Saying that "good" is subjective is a cop-out, because you can still take actionable steps to see what the broader market "subjectively" considers to be good and what they'll buy, and what their quality expectations are.

>>543022809
ok but from the article:
>Thus the effective income tax is a flat rate of 46.5%

>>543022385
his replies are trve chudmaxxers. blow implied a trans could be a 10

>>543017413
basedbasedbased

>>543023293
>Marketing a shit game won't make it sell nor will it make people play it. Cuffbust is a recent obvious example.
I can flip it on you by saying just because a game has a low amount of sales or reviews (less than 100) doesn't mean it's automatically bad. It simply just was never given a proper chance by the wider public to be judged whether it's actually good or not.

what makes a game? what is its function, it's purpose? why does it exist?
I posit to you, gentlemen, that a game exists to be played. a game that is not played has failed at its primary directive. a game that is not played is bad

>>543023293
>arguing for the sake of it
It never ends.
>marketing won't make a bad game sell
Okay and are you planning on selling a bad game?

>Saying that "good" is subjective is a cop-out
No, the argument you just attempted was a cop-out. And you've proven your willingness to do this indefinitely, because you can't actually win any debate and just want to have the last word.

>>543024320
is a game that's never released (and thus never played) bad?

Success breads jealousy

>>543023972
nta but it doesn't mean that.
it could mean the game is just alright. not bad but not amazing. and even if you showed it to 1 million people it would only gain 5 reviews.
it could be in a saturated genre as well.

>>543024320
marmoreal is the only real video game /agdg/ made

>150k wishlists
>$400k kickstarter
in case you think only casual/clicker/incremental slop has a chance

>>543024320
A game is nothing more than a number goes higher simulator with some art assets.

>>543024569
I don't understand how spaceslop makes so much money, who is the audience for these?

>>543024512
>it could be in a saturated genre as well.
Choosing a fertile genre is actually part of marketing, in particular serving an underserved audience.

>>543024512
You're quite literally retarded. You just agreed with me in a roundabout way.

>>543022439
Incredible. You're calling black as white and white as black. Making a game good is the real hard work. Marketing is the refuge of those too lazy to make a good product.

>>543023972
>I can flip it on you by saying just because a game has a low amount of sales or reviews (less than 100) doesn't mean it's automatically bad. It simply just was never given a proper chance by the wider public to be judged whether it's actually good or not.
Modern algorithms can calculate whether or not the wider public will judge it good or bad with a much smaller sample size than before. If a game has low sales, it's always bad.

>>543024326
>Okay and are you planning on selling a bad game?
To be fair, the vast majority of devs are stupid and don't know if their game is bad or not until after they release and see the market feedback.

>>543024569
>>543024925
Stop calling everything slop.

>>543025023
>the vast majority of devs are stupid
not only wrong but impossible. you're just talking out of your ass. you've never made a game.

>>543025204
FYI the "don't know it's bad until it's out" works in reverse too. There are stories of old devs who were terrified when they shipped and had no idea they had just released an all time classic. After releasing Half-Life, co-founder Mike Harrington was in the shower when his wife asked him if the game was any good. He replied: "I don't know."

>>543020986
There are no hidden gems idiot

>>543025186
Its worse than slop, they don't even need a game to extract money from the goycattle. they just throw the money at crowdfunding campaigns on some empty promises

>>543023972
I think you'll struggle to find many examples of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4lhQp245dw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCzhyUsDHPE

>>543025259
I was referring to
>the vast majority of devs are stupid
that's impossible. the vast majority of people are of average intelligence. the vast majority of devs are pretty likely to be smarter than average. if they can't tell whether the game they're working on is good or bad, it's not because they're stupid.

>>543024569
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1332100/Starship_Simulator/
>Players can choose to occupy one of a number of different roles on the ship, with each one presenting the player with unique and interesting gameplay challenges.

Sounds like Star Trek Bridge Crew which was a VR game, it makes sense to make a PC non-vr game like this.

>>543025186
idle/clicker/incremental actually is slop.

>>543025424
>le goyslop
Embarrassing.

>>543025473
Case in point

I need some advice. I want to have a gallery of 200 pictures to collect, and been thinking that AI is perfect for that, but not sure if using AI for that is a good idea. Like there's a lot of hate towards using AI on social media.

>>543024569
another confirmation that you need a woman in your life to be a successful gamedev

>>543025204
>>543025473
You have him cornered. Now finish the job.

>>>543025023
>Incredible. You're calling black as white and white as black. Making a game good is the real hard work. Marketing is the refuge of those too lazy to make a good product.
>
>>>543023972
>>I can flip it on you by saying just because a game has a low amount of sales or reviews (less than 100) doesn't mean it's automatically bad. It simply just was never given a proper chance by the wider public to be judged whether it's actually good or not.
>Modern algorithms can calculate whether or not the wider public will judge it good or bad with a much smaller sample size than before. If a game has low sales, it's always bad.
>
>>>543024326
>>Okay and are you planning on selling a bad game?
>To be fair, the vast majority of devs are stupid and don't know if their game is bad or not until after they release and see the market feedback.

>>543025473
I meant "stupid" as in "unable to tell if they made something good or not" rather than "below average intelligence," but if you want to go in that direction, the case could be made that devs are a dumb subset rather than smart subset because smart people wouldn't waste their own time on gamedev.

In order to succeed, you most be a pyschopath. You need to be able to mimic an autismo perfectly, and be able to manipulate and abuse steampigs.

>>543025804
Just do some stupid doodles

>>543025315
u mad

>>543026059
>I meant "stupid" as in "unable to tell if they made something good or not"
And what makes you think you are able to? Given you're incapable of even expressing yourself properly I doubt your IQ is above 100.

>>543026043
You're really fulfilling the stereotype of the Indian scammer who tries to hide their terrible product or lack of a product at all through flashy marketing.

>>543026059
>smart people wouldn't waste their own time on gamedev.

I can't believe this SLOP gets wishlists. I've seen this ad for months.

>>543026235
You're jousting at windmills.

>>543025804
I use AI (for gooning) and I strongly recommend to never ever ever use AI for anything audiovisual-related for the foreseeable future.
There was a time where I was hopeful that AI would enable artlets to pursue their dreams but that's not how it turned out. The hate for it is actually increasing especially among the 'gentlehearted videogame patron' crowd which is the exact people you don't want to offend. They really value the human touch which is why they buy shitty indies and word of mouth advertise them to begin with.
If you're not an artist or don't have one in your contacts list, I question making the sort of game that requires higher-than-average amount of art assets.

>>543025865
>husband and wife team
>husband is sole developer
so what does the wife do

>>543026325
I think the key is
>their own time
working at a studio getting paid >$100k is not dumb but making your own game as a solo indie is like using your annual salary to buy lottery tickets.

>download and try out the new meta immersive web sdk and their spatial editor
>it's fucking dogshit
the audacity of these trillion dollar companies to release something as bad as this and calling it a unity replacement

>>543026043
This is a terrible post maybe you butchered the formatting or something. Shan't be wasting brainpower to decipher this.

>>543024569
>musician is underspace's musician
Huh

>>543026464
holy shit what is this image? I've never seen a better representation of what it was like to do salvia

>>543026501
>so wound up trying to 'win' this debate that his mask starts to slip revealing he literally despises indie game development
wtf are you doing here.

>>543026639
and highlights the information in his Kickstarter like he got Inon Zur or Jeremy Soule.

>>543026782
Why do missionaries go into places of savagery to try to save lost souls?

>>543026639
Space devs are like indie animators jsyk

>marketing is evil it doesn't matter and actually you know what indie game dev is retarded in general
Marketing chads win again.

>>543026965
Antibocchi's LOST bigly!

>>543026782
>realizes how little chance a solo dev has
>despises indie game development

>>543026965
i look like this

>>543026865
>I'm a saint for trying to discourage game devs from making games in the game development thread

>>543026464
>The hate for it is actually increasing especially among the 'gentlehearted videogame patron' crowd which is the exact people you don't want to offend. They really value the human touch which is why they buy shitty indies and word of mouth advertise them to begin with.
Which is funny. These people never go after big corps or studios who actually HAVE the money pay people, never go after the AI companies themselves for all the problems they have with them, and never after Steam for allowing AI with little to no oversight, but they attack and harass the individual indie dev without even trying to understand the situation (whilst being mad at normies for not giving each indie game a fair chance).

>>543026790
I would, yeah.

https://pastebin.com/qjGjtCLg
Does this code seem up to board?

>>543027294
So you're saying it would be wrong to discourage evil doers from doing evil in the evil doing thread?

>try to paint shoe
>a black streak on the face appears
>fix it
>now the shoe is skin colored
>fix it
>a black streak on the face appears
...

>>543027343
Kind of retarded to assume the people who love indie games to this extent are also avid corposlop consumers.
Also consider that if AI were fair game, you'd still be losing because other people would abuse AI better and faster than you.

>>543027579
This is what gamedev feels like

>>543027579
redo the uv map

>>543027579
kek post your UVs

>>543027648
he's right, it has just become part of the online sjw persona. they are just looking for someone they can bully in some sort of "righteous crusade" to make themselves feel good
they have no chance of making a difference against the big companies so they ignore it and look for indies to bully instead

>>543027648
>Kind of retarded to assume the people who love indie games to this extent are also avid corposlop consumers.
You're retarded yourself, and misunderstood my post.
What I meant is harassing and attacking individual creators for using AI is pointless and destructive (provided it's clear they were trying to make something actually good). If you have a problem with AI, take it up with the storefront that allows it, the AI company that made it or the big studios who would actually be "replacing jobs with them", because an individual indie dev would never be an employer for a wide arrangement of artists.

>>543027817
nta but here

>>543028013
Absolutely horrid UV

>>543027947
Maybe the dude calling everyone else retards is the actual retard, and not everyone else.

>>543028013
basedbasedbased

>>543027906
LOL

>>543027947
If you put your game out on the marketplace then consumers are free to purchase it and whine about things they don't like about it, fuck off with this pussy victim mentality lmao

Not beating the jeet allegations guys

>>543015913 (OP)
https://youtu.be/QtDftsrtJhY

Didn't this guy use to post his games here long time ago? Anyway he died of cancer.

>>543027343
I've read recent reviews and they're not upset about AI voice acting.

>>543028013
You might need to have additional space between the face and the feet.

>>543028013
What are you people even using to paint models anyway? I always did things the old fashioned way, directly painting the flats in photoshop

>>543028268
>then consumers are free to [...] whine about things they don't like
So are devs. It's a two way street. If you don't agree, fuck off back to >>>/v/

without the turdie bochi spammer fygoon would be chill and this thread would be more enjoyable to read

Been a long time since I used it, but I was able to install and use design doll.

:D

>>543028513
she looks way too young wtf pedo

>>543028513
how is that progress cris, how is installing design doll worth posting about? the chuds are unimpressed

>>543028481
Consumers pay money, devs receive money. That's the difference and why consumers are free to complain and greedy entitled devs need to just shut up and listen.

>>543028481
Exactly like the entitled corporations that pay journos to write screeds about how gamers are le evil for not accepting the newest form of cost-saving, exploitative kikery.
You forget the basic transaction here. They are giving you money for a product. Their bitching and moaning if its not up to their standards actually means something. Your bitching and moaning is just pathetic.

Compute Shaders, how do they work?
More specifically: with Unity's system, is there a way to "chain" two different dispatch so the second one only start working after the first one?
Or does any treatment that need to happen sequentially need to be on the same dispatch?
Trying to replace my Jobs code with Compute Shaders for better performance, and I can't find an equivalent to dependencies chains.

>>543026965
Don't mix up genetics with diet lmao

>>543028720
>>543028760
>Consumers pay money
Yeah right. Fuck off back to /v/ retard.
Ask any indie dev and every single one will confirm that the largest amount sales a dev gets is only when they have discounts bigger than half the price where the devs barely make any money.
This is so prevalent that even this meme pic exists.
You also fail to consider that devs also have expenses in development but I suppose a /v/tard wouldn't understand this either way.

>>543028479
blender, use brush texture stencil

>543028497
i don't know about the other sisters but i'm white and from a first world country

>>543029091
>painting textures with blender
>white

>>543029058
That's hilarious you keep trying to tell others to leave when it's obvious you're the one who doesn't belong
Nice dodge btw, actually nah its too obvious and clumsy

There is no Zelda, only Isaac now

>>543029091
Keep proving Fygoon right, avatarfag.

>>543029210
What a compelling argument, dumbass. It's telling that you hinge on a single word of my post, you clearly have nothing to retort with.

>>543029058
If devs want to make money then maybe they should be making better games instead of crying about being unable to exploit their customers. At this point I'm so sick of entitled devs that I don't even buy on sale, I only pirate, because entitled devs don't even deserve a single penny of my money.

>While it isn’t obvious, I think much of software architecture is about that learning phase. Loading code into neurons is so painfully slow that it pays to find strategies to reduce the volume of it.
little known TRVKE
it takes so long to remember what your code does after not touching a project for a month.

>>543029502
Good for you, I wonder if you'd keep this mindset when you release your own game.
Oh wait, that's right, you don't have a game.

>>543029502
>their games are bad, but I still pirate and play them
Genuinely curious how you reconcile this apparent contradiction.

>>543029635
Yeah, I'm not an arrogant entitled indie dev, I'm a paying customer and devs should be bowing and begging for my opinion on how to make their games not shit.

>>543029661
Just because a game is bad doesn't mean that people can't have fun with them. Sometimes people can still enjoy pirating and playing bad games.

>>543029091
Bocchi would be cute and funny if it was a mascot of the general but the issue is that alot of us attach her to unhelpful posts that are generally a waste of time, basically garbage posts. I'm guilty of this even though I try to post my "game" as much as I can (not alot since I'm slow at developing)

>I'm not an arrogant entitled indie dev, I'm a paying customer
/agdg/, everybody

Also
>paying
Lol
Lmao

>>543029502
The crowd that shrieks about AI the loudest actually does buy shit at full price, right after release. As someone who refuses to buy anything that doesn't have at least -70% it specifically piqued my curiosity why people would do that: turns out they really love handcrafted indie slop that much.
These are also the steam dumpster divers that word of mouth anything with a glimmer of potential up to the surface, that doombabies still deny exists (there's 7 million ludokino masterpieces rotting in obscurity guys, trust me and don't even bother making a game!)

>made a new 3d girl model
>already fell in love with her

I havent bought a single non-multiplayer game since i discovered how to pirate.
Why would i spend money on something i can get for free?

I wonder if games (and videos and books) released before AI will be more valuable in the future because they're handcrafted and we won't know what's made by AI in the future.
or maybe no one will care?
I find myself skipping recent Youtube videos that show something supposedly worth seeing because I just assume it's AI.

>>543030257
agdg could never....

>>543030030
>The crowd that shrieks about AI the loudest actually does buy shit at full price, right after release.
Only after you managed to go viral though.

>>543029928
>Just because a game is bad doesn't mean that people can't have fun with them. Sometimes people can still enjoy pirating and playing bad games.
Why wouldn't you just play good games though?

I wanna try to see if I can sort of have a design doll render and then use it with koikatsu costume and haircuts in a new separate render and then use that as my sketch to draw the lines and 2D masks.

>>543030195
kill yourself

>>543030195
kanna...

>>543029221
>In-game, the character is a bit chubby
The hell kind of review is that?

>>543030464
this is a crispost right?

If you don't want me to use AI voice acting in my game you're free to voice act in it yourself. Yes (You) in particular.

>>543030440
It's hard to tell if a game is good or not until after you've played it. That's why piracy is absolutely vital as it allows players to tell if a game is good without risking their precious money.

In addition to all the schizos we also have to deal with /v/tards now, great.

>>543030464
insane workflow let's see the results cris

>>543030835
Ok.
Post all of a characters voice lines in the thread and i will voice act the lines over catbox.

>>543030949
"/v/tards" are your customers. You should be tripping over yourselves to cater to their demands.

https://x.com/Wario64/status/1979205639260774749

DEI indies are winning, one of the main characters is a pregnant african woman with a horrific accent, almost feels racist

But you're not a customer if you're not paying though.

>>543030316
Not so long ago on /lit/ I saw vids of femgooners complaining about chat gpt promts in their romantasy in already PRINTED books
No one will care, before chatbots it was ghostwriters anyways

my mom doesn't want me to babysit my niece today because she won't be home (that has nothing to do with me and my niece, wtf mom???)
at least i will have more time to dev

Why are some retards on here unable to grasp in their tiny little brain that people come to this general for more than just making games.
Not everyone here wants to make a game and thats ok.

>>543031414
I mean you can just take a look at CGI in cinema. Outside of a couple of dorks seething nobody really cares. If it's used and done well, fine. If not, then bad.
The exact same will apply to AI once all the troons die out.

>>543030464
Honestly that workflow sounds too complicated. Do you mean you will design a doll, then render two parts and layer them, then use it as the base for a 2D sketch, then turn the sketch into a drawing?

>>543031531
Finish your character designs already.

>>543031596
Well cgi is still worse than real decorations, than you watch old cinema its clearly visible, ai shit will be even bigger downgrade but everyone will still consume it

>>543030339
You don't seem to understand how things go viral. But that's fine, it's irrelevant to you anyway.

Amateur gamedev? This is NOT a pedo chatroom, where is anti fygoon schizo? Is he okay with this?

>>543026639
>space game hires musician from another space game
Fork found in kitchen.

>>543031868
>You don't seem to understand how things go viral.
Name a single indie game that blew up in the past year because a bunch of "handcrafted indie slop connoisseurs" bought it full price on release.

It's funny that anyone here thinks they personally will prosper when AI assets are normalized, as if the ones who are already eternally ahead of them won't just use it to become even faster.

>>543031860
I can tell you don't watch films at all, neither old or new.

>>543018064
Thanks. I have a few jam games, but I'm not so delusional to think they're worth any money. I do have a few different incrementals in the works that should be worth a few hundred thousand each on average. :)

>>543030840
I actually pirated a VN recently and I liked it so much I bought it full price on the spot. It happens.

>>543031683
Design doll already has a doll to pose easily.
Then It will render the picture.
Import into blender and then just pose the costume and haircuts from a koikatsu model, then render as .png.

And then use it as a sketch to draw.

whats this?

>>543032284
I can tell you cant appreciate thunderbolt fantasy

do people still play rpgmaker games with turn based combat in the year of our lord 2025

i have a vague idea of a game

>>543032868
I said films, not cartoons for manchildren.

>>543032723
nice

>>543032868
The visuals are honestly shit. Thunderbolt Fantasy would be nothing without Sawano Hiroyuki.

Somebody should make a gamedev engine that completely generates a game from a prompt.
Theres art ai,music ai,coding ai,story ai etc. it should be possible i think.

>>543033023
The best game of 2023 was an RPGmaker game without any combat.

>>543033023
somewhat
rpgmaker still punching above its weight

>>543033150
As a fellow subhuman intellect, I too believe this is likely to occur within a timespan of two weeks.

How did he do it?

>>543033696
Bots

>>543033696
>collaborates
>works quickly
f*ckin cheater...if I had AI i'd win...

>>543033696
>his gf leaves him
>he makes it
eric schizo tranny xisters? our spammed advice is proven wrong again.....

I have actually seen guys in gamedev discords give up and quit game dev because of Cuffbusters flopping.

Which agdg-friend is going to make it into Videogame awards this year?

>>543034836
Starfield

>>543034682
Good. We need less devs making less games so we'd experience an actual game drought where no games come out anymore and gaymers go mad.
>inb4 muh old games
Most old games are shit, only the very few good ones get talked about nowadays. You've likely already played all the good ones that appeal to you.

>>543030840
>oh no, I spent 5 whole bucks and didn't really like it as much as I thought I would, woe is me!
Do you also steal food in case you don't like the taste?

>>543035102
He's already gone, the bait window has run out, he's given up on his trolling.
You should know better than to respond to shitty obvious bait thoughever.

>>543035026
Starfield already won Game of the Decade, they can't participate again.

>>543035102
>food analogy

>>543035395
I always shoot down bait in case an actual idiot is reading and taking it as serious advice.

>>543035614
Fair enough, but you're likely too late to help or the idiot is too stupid to take your advice either way.

lmao they're grabassing

>>543035395
>You should know better than to respond to shitty obvious bait thoughever.
90% of the posts here are shitty bait

>gaben doesn't show games to real peop -AAACCK
This absolute CHAD is getting thousands of wishlists per day. Meanwhile, /agdg/ games are only getting
>Outstanding wishlists: 600
>Daily wishlist additions: 3
when they're clearly being shown to real people.

How low has 4chan fallen that "you should pirate games" is now considered some sort of bait instead of genuinely good advice?

>>543035892
Probably better to stealth market outside of 4chan instead of nextfest threads on /v/

>>543036079
>he actually believed marketing on 4chan did anything positive

>>543035926
You're in the gamedev general.
Obviously gamedevs dont want you to get their game for free and want you to give them your money.(even if their shit game isnt worth any money.)

>>543036079
Probably better to just make a good fun game that people actually want to play.

>>543036079
What if... There was another way...
https://thev3expo.com/submit/

>>543035926
discordians pushing a narrative probably, the coordinated replying to eachother shit is always a tell

>>543036185
I want people to pirate my game to heal my karma

>>543036227
They're not mutually exclusive, really I just want that guy to stop shitting up nextfest threads by gamedropping repeatedly

>>543036279
ill submit when i put a trailer together

if the cord is working together to push some narrative in the thread then wheres the evidence of them doing it
checkmate threadsissies

>>543037112
The evidence is >>543036279. It's a gay op.by Betz to get people to join his show that gets no views

>>543037112
vibes are more powerful than evidence, remember that kid

Every story I hear about this man makes me think he's just the greatest director ever

>>543038097
weren't those one of the more hated enemies in that game?

>>543030840
Or you could just get a refund.
The only reason why anyone would do such a thing is to go out of their way to do something bad.
That or they're too lazy to get a refund.
Your excuse makes it clear you're the later.

I am going to pirate (You)'re game. Yes, you.
Also I will give it a poor rating on the pirate site.

>>543035892
DELETE THIS

>>543016636
kino, I would play this, we need more Space Funeral tier shit

>>543039281
Space Funeral?

You want (me) to try your vidya slop out?

>>543039502
No. Really, I don't want to watch you skip reading anything in a game that's obviously heavily text based, then complain that it's my fault you don't understand things.
No. That isn't my fault. No. You cannot understand my game without basic knowledge. No. I won't dumb it down any further.

No. I won't stop smashing crabs with a hammer.

>>543039241
>ywn be this entranced by something in your entire life

>>543039682
Why should I spend 15 minutes learning how to play a 5 minute long game?

>>543039682
Did Pong have any heavy text? No. Therefore it is your problem and you should rectify it otherwise I will not be playing it

>>543040136
This is a joke right?

>>543038310
players hating enemies isn't a bad thing

>>543040356
I'm incredibly serious. You played long right? Did you read the lore or instructions beforehand?

>>543040356
What is your game?

>>543017276
Would you kindly not say the n-word?

>>543040790
This is the kind of mentality you'd see from DSP or Arin Hanson. No offense.
>>543040845
Everything i have ever worked on has been put into hiatus. All of my concepts have been put into a state of isolation and hibernation.

>>543040790
lore dumps are almost always awful.
>oh you must be the brave new adventurer excited to embark on your journey...
>first let me tell you about kokomigo the ancient spirit gawd that first roamed these lands 20 thousan- skip
>at that point the emr- skip
>when the queen came to powe- skip
>skip-skip-skip-skip-skip-skip-skip
>now off you go to kill the bees in the orchard. god speed adventurer
show don't tell.

>>543041657
>Everything i have ever worked on has been put into hiatus. All of my concepts have been put into a state of isolation and hibernation.
why

>>543041745
I myself enjoy a lore dump. Nothing harmful comes from it, especially when it's for a video game where the main point is always the gameplay and the player character's perspective.
Honestly i feel that complaint to become way to pessimistic, used by pretentious YouTube reviewers and it has spread all over.
Nostalgia Critic ruined a generation of reviewers and reading your post reminds me just how deep that influence goes even to this day.

>>543034618
she was holding him back

>>543042141
I become born again and started to become a more devoted follower of Christ. Creativity is a gift from God and He wants me to keep it safe until He says it is ready to be shared.
The Holy Spirit lets me know that it's at least OK to help others with their creativity and talk about what i already shared before obeying Him, i just can't share what i have updated about them.
The last time i tried making an exception and shared one of my concepts it went poorly so i know that God wants me to be secret about mine and His creativity.

>>543041745
You're right, very rarely is the dumped lore anything special either, just basic bitch worldbuilding cloned from other generic worldbuilding. Most of it can be outsourced to NPCs in the first town, opt-in lore for players who give a shit.

>>543041745
I myself enjoy a lore dump. Nothing harmful comes from it, especially when it's for a video game where the main point is always the gameplay and the player character's perspective.
Honestly i feel that complaint to become way to pessimistic, used by pretentious YouTube reviewers and it has spread all over.
Nostalgia Critic ruined a generation of reviewers.

>>543041249
n-gon

>>543042195
expositional dialog is almost never a good thing, it gets exponentially worse in visual media.
video games are bad for it because it's cheap to do and it's easy to get carried away.
kefka is a great example of show don't tell, you get a lot of information about him in the game, but you see one or two cutscenes with him that stick with you.
like i don't remember all the details about him and his backstory and it has been years since i played the game but i remember him poisoning the well and getting sand in his boots.

>>543032080
>where is anti fygoon schizo? Is he okay with this?
Who do you think is making this thread a "pedo chatroom"?

>>543042556
I'm sure if you pray hard enough, magical skydaddy will manifest your game for you, nodev retard.

How can I 'ave a smooth skin like yours, Cris?

(in my game)

>>543042930
First of all, sorry for deleting that post, i felt like it was too mean towards you so i replaced it with this >>543042709
As for my reply.
I don't know much about Final Fantasy so i can't comment on that but for me i actually would not mind if illains get brought up more in dialog, beig talked about by NPCs. That's a good way to build suspence for a character when everyone around the player is afraid of them.
And if Kefka really only has such low screen time, well then all i can say about him from what you said about him is that i'm sure no one would mind if NPCs talked more about the stuff he gets up to, even for things that get the imagination to run wild.
In fact, you telling me about Kefka instead of showing me anything about him right now is giving me a good experience with him. Poisoning a well and getting sand in his boots? Sounds like a fun SpongeBob gag. I'm chuckling as i write this.

>>543043430
When I make it even a little I should move to south america
Imagine despite being a poorfag living in a big comfy house without worring about heatting

why are all the generals here just discord groups?
There's less than 10 posts about gamedev in the 800 posts the threads last for

>>543042556
>The last time i tried making an exception and shared one of my concepts it went poorly so i know that God wants me to be secret about mine and His creativity.
Dwarf Fortress 3D dev?

I find the rise in fake assets to be interesting.
Like assets that technically could be displayed in a game engine but are so unoptimized that using them requires rebuilding them from the ground up in most cases.

>>543043430
Not Cris but wash yourself with very hot water.
I turned the temperature on my water heater all the way up and shower with basically boiling water(It hurts the first few times especially the first time but you get used to it) and all my acne is gone.
I think acne doesnt like high temperatures.

>>543043297
I'll say this once.
God is not to be mocked. I have seen others with your behavior towards him get in big trouble for saying much less about Him.
I give this warning out of love for my fellow human, and when God passes his judgement, i hope you will be able to repent.

>>543044106
They're not fake per-se. They're just made by nodev artists who have no idea what a game asset should look like.

>>543044036
OK i am now curious. Explain please.

Have you guys ever had a game idea that you really wanted to do and you've tried starting a few times but could never figured out how to make it work?

>>543015913 (OP)
-Finishing the Clan Hall quest chain after completing Act 4, and a large quest location for it
-Max hero level increased to 21
-3 bracelet slots available at level 21
-New health and skill resource potion gradations available at level 21
-Added alternative level 20 equipment for Act 5

>>543044149
I second this.
When i was a kid my showers and baths were always hot and now my skin is smooth.

>>543044187
I'm not mocking a fictional character. I'm mocking you, loser.

>>543044498
nope, I can always figure out how to make it work, I just can't do it (mostly laziness)

>>543044498
Yes. At least twice. No, at least three times.

>>543044498
Not really. I always understand how to make it work because I'm not a nodev, and I wouldn't latch onto completely infeasible ideas.

>>543044106
What? Where?

>>543044560
I will pray for you.

>>543044992
damn that looks like ass

>>543044849
Most of fab

How can human boys even compete?

>>543045225
>171,136 tris
Nanite will fix this.

>>543044379
Another religious nut who tried to enginedev a dof clone 3d, his progress was to slow and I think he gave up since he hasnt been seen in months

>>543045481
Raptureday 2025 was last month, I think he got taken away by the lord

>>543045434
The fix is to just buy newest graphics card you poorfag!

>>543045141
yeah, like the most beautiful ass

>Oh sorry didn't see you there little human boy. Was just washing my massive fish cock how embarrassing. Hope you don't mind.

WYD in this situation?

>>543045680
I'll show you a beautiful ass.

THIS IS A FUCKING FISH CHAD THREAD NOW PUSSIES!

This place really does attract some of the weirdest fucking people.

>>543033696
>...we emailed a lot of creators...simple email [template]...to 500 if not more people
Yeah, it's a mystery, how did he do it?

>>543046045
Say that to my face little pussy human boy

just made some pixel art with full sprite sheets with AI for free using some random image from google. unbelievable. how are artist not going to kill themselves in the next 10 years?

>>543046176
If only emailing people was within the reach of lowly devs such as ourselves...

>>543046281
You and a thousand other jeets been doing this for years now, where's the game bro

I don't want to email youtubers because there's a chance that might actually reply and I'll have to waste my dev time communicating with insects when I am a god comparatively.

>>543046578
There's literally nothing stopping you from ghosting them.

>>543046306
Basically impossible.

>>543046281
So you've made soomehing that anyone else can make... that took no effort, and that is apparently inconsequential (unless you're about to post a game)

I released my game. Yet it made me feel nothing.

>>543044021
>There's less than 10 posts about gamedev
CHADgoon warned us about this

>>543047440
Congrats, anon. What genre?

>>543047597
He's (you're) the one responsible for it.

I released a new patch for The Eastern Flower. The biggest new feature is that the enemy player now has access to mortars too. The enemy mortars "shoot and scoot" to avoid counter-battery fire.

Patchnotes: https://chaikadev.itch.io/the-eastern-flower/devlog/1086980/version-072-patchnotes

it's impossible to define what makes a perfect game, cause perfection is subjective. actually some people find imperfection more satisfying.
the only thing you can have as an orientation that is really reliable is your own feelings towards your game. or consumer feedback.
everything where you "guess" what people want is purely theoretical and not reliable.
that's why i'd say the best thing to do is using your own preferences as an orientation to define the value of your game. if you like it, it's good. if it satisfies your needs, it's good enough.
good enough is the goal.

>>543048341
How about you start with "exists" before you work on "good enough"

Happy friday /agdg/, I got my basic enemy AI working now I'm setting up a way to define and use Actions before I start working on other stuff. I'm having a lot of fun learning how to make my game. What are you guys up today?

simple + fun = good enough

it's not about being good at gamedev, it's about knowing what is fun and just doing it

>>543048341
>>543048801
>>543049094
Could you please attach an animal picture of your choosing to each of your posts so that I don't accidentally bother to read them? Thank you.

>Here's that dream game I was telling you about my wife
Why are married millennial men like this

>>543049378
>goes to public forum
>doesn't want to read public posts

hey aggy diggy
i've dropped my old project (for now) since i dont really believe in it anymore, but i think i got a lot of valuable exp that i can use for future stuff. that being said, what to do in the future is the question.
i've never actually released a game, but my main interest is multiplayer games. that being said, is it better to do a single player or multiplayer game?
like, i basically never play single player games, and i am much more a coder than an artist, so i feel like i am more angled toward taking on something more difficult coding wise than i am something more on the artistic side, which makes me think multiplayer is the way to go. but considering i've never even made a game (thats been sold), its questionable if I can make something of enough quality to actually garner the audience that multiplayer games would demand. additionally, the previous project i was working on was multiplayer (albeit p2p), so i already have a bit of experience in that field, but i wouldnt say enough to be industry standard or release worthy or anything
what do you guys think? make some simple single player stuff to experience the whole pipeline or fixate on multiplayer which has a bigger risk but bigger reward?

im trying to build up the courage and pressure to start on my game again

having a plan b is like pretending to be in love with a woman, yet always looking for backup options on tinder.

>>543049471
You have to make what you know and love or it's an even bigger crapshoot that you'll likely lose interest in.

>>543049471
There's nothing really wrong with continuing with multiplayer, but multiplayer doesn't inherently offer "bigger rewards", especially not multiplayer-only games. You're most likely having trouble with game design, and not really any particular implementation detail.

>>543049471
Multiplayer lives or dies on a playerbase unfortunately. I wouldn't do it because of that inherent risk.

>>543049979
i guess more i mean bigger self fulfillment rewards, since it is something i like better so i'd like be able to develop something of a higher quality. also theres a lot of singleplayer indieslop so i feel as though it stands out slightly more, but i suppose theres a lot of multiplayer indieslop too so i am probably completely wrong

>>543050298
right, that is a factor to consider

>>543049471
most people never finish a game. Do whatever gives you the highest chance of making it to market

>look on reddit to see what rpgmaker devs are doing
>they all shamelessly plug in their zero review games

am i retarded if i use rpgmaker? i can't code and do art but i can write (poorly)

>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3474310
Why are Japanese indie games so unhinged?

>>543049923
floof

>>543050838
Yeah, but it's better to recognize that you're retarded than to be ignorant of it.

Ok I've picked an idea now what

>>543051085
well now that i've overcome that first hurdle, i can focus on game dev

>>543051219
>Ok I've picked an idea now what

Characters made for my anime rip off 2d platformer. Thoughts?

>>543051219
Spend the next decade posting on /agdg/ without ever starting to work on your game.

>>543051404
prompt?

>>543051404
>output.png

>>543051404
villain looks like a better protagonist ngl, just add her to the good guys and keep the trve villain

>>543051219
Start assembling a team as an idea guy while being afraid someone will steal your great idea at the same time

there is no economical demand for your existence anymore, sorry.

>>543051404
make their dialogue portraits next and secret of mana style sprites and you've got a million dollars waiting for you in three years good luck God bless

>>543049471
Consider a game like Peak which would be vapid dogshit solo but with multiplayer it becomes a worthwhile experience
Multiplayer really isn’t too bad if you’re building that way from the ground up and it’s only really super challenging if you’re doing high intensity gameplay like a shooter or a fighting game

>>543052465
PEAK is actually easier (due to not having to fight over the limited resources) and reasonably fun as a solo experience.

>>543050404
feels like most indie games fall into one of these categories.
>streamerbait - quick turnaround low effort slop with a weird hook(drugs, janky controls, multiplayer, reddit/twitch memes) hoping a big streamer plays it and their viewers all buy it.
>copypasta of a popular game with a 'twist' - vampire survivors but werewolves, balatro but solitaire.
>uncreative passion project - could be anything, usually bland clones that end up in development hell.
>creative passion projects - usually the games that are actually good and become the jumping off point for the copypasta games.
you also have the indie 'devs' who follow the saying 'during a gold rush, sell shovels.' which is 90% of youtube indie dev content.

>>543038097
b-b-but i think it might be nice if maybe there were just some fish an area and they didn't attack you and you just got to hang out and enjoy there being fish for just that one area ok?

the most fucked thing about this life is that you might have a golden idea and not even realize it, because there is no way to verify other than finishing a product and trying. but you only have so much lifetime, energy and budget to finish ideas.
seriously if you'd design a video game like real life, 99% of the playerbase would quit and the 1% left would just be bored, because they have nobody to dominate.

I want to make an Amogus style game

>>543052963
It’s so ass

can you use AI to translate your steam page to japanese or is there somebody you can pay to do it for you

>>543053246
AI is good enough for most cases.

>>543052963
you also have the weird variable of people falling in love with some random shit that no one would ever think was a good idea.

>>543053246
I'd just do an AI translation and then find someone who will look over it for $50 to make sure it isn't total gibberish.

>>543053412
>>543053521
can I use deepl, thats what the anime girls on youtube use to translate english to japanese

>>543053246
Use deepseek for Asian languages

>>543049449
Please do your part in keeping our public spaces clean from your dogshit I'm-12-and-this-is-deep opinions.

oh never mind, i dont want any japanese peoepl to look at my steam page and think im disrespecting them with bad ai japanese... better not let them see my game on steam...

i feel very lost as to what i wanna do in life
if i could choose where id be in 5-10 years, id pick gamedev, indie or big, over anything else, even for lower pay
im unsure if studying computer science / software engineering is the right choice for this
i dont care about much else, scientific and theory, i dont wanna work in science and i feel like thats all we're learning
like im getting deep into shit i have zero interest in
i feel like every decision i make, isnt optimal enough to reach my dreams
like the best is already over...

>>543054174
>im unsure if studying computer science / software engineering is the right choice for this
It is. You're already more accomplished than 99% of zoomers will ever be.

>>543054174
Tech is already oversaturated and undergoing massive layoffs every year. I would pursue a different career.

>>543054174
Well you may not be interested in your degree contents, but as long as you accrue enough inescapable student loan debt to never be free from the system that's all that matters

>>543054174
Welcome

>>543054669
Funny enough the shit he bitched about seems to be the type of software dev I know IRL. They make web software for biochem companies.

>>543054174
Is this a Cloverpit-like?

>>543052963
>but you only have so much lifetime, energy and budget to finish ideas
And you're wasting it here of all places LMAOOOOOOOO

>>543052465
lol my dropped project was exactly a fighting game
not even sure im gonna drop it but it is a motherfucker of difficulty. just seems really dumb to do considering how small and critical the playerbase is, if i fuck up even a little bit my game will be crucified

>>543054864
I'm pretty sure he's talking about mathematical proofs. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_methods) It has nothing to do with biochem. At my school, it's shit that they made Computer Science degree do, but not Software Engineering.

>>543055281
Well science is a broad scope so idk what he meant, I also know someone that works in science and it's all R programming

>>543052963
>you might have a golden idea and not even realize it, because there is no way to verify other than finishing a product and trying
You're supposed to share your idea and your game even when you're just starting development, then you can gauge whether it's a good idea. Not just make an entire game and then throw it on the market and see what happens lmao
Not to detract from the rest of your existential crisis point which is valid but just saying.

>>543054174
Don't overthink it

>>543054174
>like the best is already over...
You said yourself gamedev is what you want to do in the future, which means it's the best thing for you, and nobody is making you stop gamedev. Therefore the best isn't over.

>Get everything working
>Not sure what to do now

>>543056189
Project hop!

>>543054174
You are still young

more concept art for main character

Make cuter games

>>543056406
is this a pseudoregalialike or an atlysslike

>>543056406
Will there be a thigh slider?

Just learned to use koikatsu in blender.

>>543056189
Post it on itch and drop the link.

>>543056406
Prompt?

>>543054174
yeah i wish i did software engineering instead of computer science
but it's well accepted in the SE industry that college degrees pretty much just cover the basics. juniors are basically hopeless at accomplishing any sort of REAL important task
at the same time im not sure if there's any better higher education route for a game developer. gamedev specific degrees are at best overly oriented towards learning the AAA slop workflows, and at worst an outright scam

>>543056406
trooncoded garbage

>>543054174
You already made a game and you’re not even done with school. You’ll be fine bro. You may have to do gamedev on the side while working a non-game related software job. But that’s probably better than being in the game industry considering how cancerous it is nowadays.

>>543058639
Just make the effort to learn to code on your own to a reasonably high standard. It's possible to do a whole CS degree and come out of it unable to solve even the most basic programming problem. This is why the interview process for the entire software industry consists of the humiliation ritual of algorithm tests and take-home assignments to build some example project so the employer can be reasonably certain that you know what a for loop is because just having a CS degree isn't enough. Also don't forget to do all the unpaid internships so you can get work experience which you apparently also need alongside the degree to get an entry-level job. That is if companies are hiring for those again by the time you graduate, and some Indian or AI hasn't taken the job first.

>>543056381
NTA but I'm 24 and I wanna kms

Survival horror, but you open a door and a woman screams "HAVE SEX INCEL" at you

>>543060073
I like it but what if you could have sex?
With the woman I mean?

>>543054174
If you're the guy making wasteland bites, keep at it, it has strong potential.

I'm probably twice your age, and I'd much rather than be in your position of being young and full of uncertainty of the future than my current position of being old and regretful of a wasted life.

>>543022467
>WFH job in the games industry instead
are we just pulling stuff out of our asses now

>>543059452
your reading comprehension is poor

>>543060330
nta but eleventh hour games and crate are 100% wfh studios(it shows unfortunately).

>>543055147
That is one advantage to being a solo dev if you present yourself earnestly you get some extra brownie points with the community if you fuck up
Why not try and tackle a smaller multiplayer focused project first to level up your skills?

>>543060735
WFH is genuinely bad for work where collaboration is critical, like gamedev. It should only be used for bullshit email jobs to parasitically drain money from big tech companies.

>>543061071
Maybe.
I'm convinced it would work fine if everyone had clear roles.
i.e. an artist, a sound design and a programmer all working together

you mean the whole indie dev making an MMORPG thing isn't a pipe dream anymore?

Whatever. It. Takes.

>chat-gpt the aseprite lua script
>it just works

wow i love this chat bot, it makes me feel really smart!

>>543056406
whats the name of this artist kokiman or something

>>543060912
100% i should do this, just gotta brainstorm

>>543019586
Anon you just have to allow itch.io origin on your server

My server is on aws on a ec2 instance, i had the cors issue but i quickly fixed it

Dont let your dreams be dreams

>>543052106
Yeah, I thought about creating an alternate route for them once. Maybe I could sneak a few sections where you play as them.

>>543052298
I'm trying. Thanks.

Around 100 games release on Steam alone EACH DAY.
About 700 games in the week around your release.
AAA release? Successful release AAA or indie, in your genre? BOOM you are done.
Also, not only are you competing with other new releases, but the entire backlog of games on every system a player owns. :)

Take all the "indie success stories" you can think of in the past 10 years and divide it by the number of devs in that time who have tried (again, 100 games a day, 3000 a month) and there's your historical likelihood of "making it."

Steam cut, higher self-employment taxes, no benefits, no retirement, AND to top it all off: Your sales diminish over time, so even if you hit this "mediocrity lottery" you'll have to do it all over again in a couple years.

>He thinks that indie gamedev can provide a sustainable primary income in 2025
Hahahahaha

H O B B Y
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B
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question: should i reach out to streamers ASAP or wait until closer to the nextfest before my release so it has more attention in nextfest?
>>543052649
>balatro but solitaire
hi

>>543056406
>>543062140
>>543051404
>>543057163
art is not real progress

>>543062157
>thing that isn't a get rich quick scheme isn't a get rich quick scheme
go figure

>>543062278
So juicy. That looks nice.
I don't know anything about streamers, but I think reaching out asap would be wise.

>>543062157
>keeps refining this shitpasta for years on end not to make it funnier but to try and make an actual convincing argument
>still always amounts to "it's not guaranteed free gibz for me it hard it too haaarrrd"

>>543057163
Cute.

>>543054174
Get a job on something that does not require high responsibility and do gamedev on the side. It's a job. I bet having a real job in the game industry would erode your soul away faster.

>>543049391
>look to get into gamedev
>watch devduck
>really impressed with his ability to work on a game while maintaining a healthy lifestyle balance
>he had only released a shitty mobile game but he had still released a game
>he was beginning to make his dream game
>feel this immerse pressure to catch up to him
>find him very inspiring
>5.5 years later
>he's still working on the same game and doesn't seem to be much closer to finishing his game
>i've completely surpassed him
>the man that used to once inspire me is now the type of developer I look down upon for making a game that is simultaneously too ambitious yet generic and boring
I still like him as a human being but fuck me am i glad you guys bullied me into becoming a yesdev. This could have easily been my fate.

QUIT NOW YOU'RE DONE OKAY!?
IT'S OVER!
IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Let me get this straight, aggy wants to SELL a videogame while there are FREE itch games miles better than their project?
I do not understand? Is aggy's game so unique and or fun that it justifies a worse product?

I am only half joking, what is the logic here.

>>543043430
Handsome fella

Everything will be okay in the end.
If it's not okay, then it's not the end.

>>543064067
Many youtube devs just outright say they don't care when they finish their game which is really sad because they initially start the project fully intending to make the game. But when they admit they're happy to spend X amount of years working on the game they are admitting a dark and terrible thing, unfathomable almost, which is that their dreams are dead and they don't even care.

heh, videogames

cup fulla claude got me feelin like tokyospliff

>>543064226
What are your favourite free itch games better than (gmi) aggy games?

>>543064996
>unfathomable almost, which is that their dreams are dead and they don't even care.
You have to be over 18 years of age to use this website.

I started to make a prototype of the second map, testing the new enemies.... I think I will make these pirates spin like beyblades

>>543060130
if you could you wouldn't be Involuntarily Celibate
That'll be 10.99 plus tip

>>543065361
^dead dreams

>>543065429
Is that on-rails?

>>543065156
Favorites is a silly benchmark, how about a random one I found on the fronpage https://thejohnyfeed.itch.io/colormuse

Is it just the length that makes the difference?

>>543065429
>main character is a jew worshipping woman
you're literally quirk chungus: 4chan edition

>>543066429
Had to try real hard with that one huh. Pitiful as always.

>Start tackling something on my to do list
>Have it categorised as 'Easy'
>Finally finish it 3 hours later
Heh. Well, it's done at least.

>>543066975
3 hours is easy, that's nothing

>>543066952
Not that dev by the way. Not that it matters to seetheanon he's going to obsess over that dev anyway.

>>543066429
meds

>>543056381
>guys I have literally no skills and am a 25 year old NEET with at least one mental illness. can I still /makeit/?
This was me when I started. now I'm a yesdev.

the important thing is to use skills you're bad at with the intent to improve in the long term.

>>543065429
Yeah, make them spin while keeping the head static.

>>543054174
I got a comp sci degree and now work professionally in the industry.
You might feel like the scientific stuff doesn't relate to gamedev, but if you can learn it then you'll be very valuable to studios.
Someone has to do the hard low level engine work to make industry games work, and if you can do it you make the big bucks like me.

>>543054174
Why the fuck do we call it science?
It would make sense if you were learning physics for making nano-sized computer components and quantum computing, but if you're just a web developer, just call yourself a god damn web developer

>>543066315

No, just gravity, I want the player to jump planet to planet with the magic circles I made and let the gravity of the objects do the job.

>>543067081
In my monster catcher I just didn't want the battle to end abruptly once the player's monster or enemy monster's health reached 0. I just wanted a simple text pop up that says "[losing monster] has been defeated!" and then for the player to have to click 'Okay' for the battle to end.
But because of how complex my spaghetti code is for all the different battle states, yeah it took way longer than it should have. Every change would cause some issue I hadn't thought about earlier so I was playing bug whack-a-mole for a few hours. Woulda been quicker if I wasn't being distracted by a podcast and then music I guess.

>>543067583
>he doesnt know

>>543067695
I typically tell devs to not rewrite their shit, but if it's causing you pain to make changes you should refactor.

>>543066952
>>543067284
I see I'm right over the target. I will continue

>>543067623
How much would you charge for this

>>543068357
I was thinking $20 and $15 on sale.

>>543068517
Stop replying for other people

>>543067967
>>543068102
I'm genuinely curious because a google search returned what I thought: "computer science is just regular developer shit lmao"

>>543068180
Sometimes I get tunnel vision and it's like "The only way I can amend this 700 line script in order to make this change is to also go back and make these [insert however many changes need to be made] in order to get it to work". Maybe there's a more obvious workaround without having to refactor but it feels right anyway. Like I'm probably making it how it should be anyway as I add more complexity and interconnections.
It won't be ready for the next demo day but I'm hoping all the basic combat stuff is wrapped up soon so I can quickly model some monsters to replace the cubes and show you guys a webm or 2.

Are you making a game primarily in order to sell it or in order to play it yourself?

>>543068789
Oh... wow. Computer systems are predicated on binary code, an aspect of discrete or "pure" mathematics. Before the emergence of computer science a lot of mathematicians thought this was a beautiful but mostly useless, impractical field of math. But look at how it's changed the world now.

>>543068982
The latter but I'm gonna try to make some money off it too

>>543068517
Not my answer....

>>543068357
I am still deciding, the price probably will be between 15$ to 10$ and for countries with lower incomes it will be lower than that too. I am still deciding which price I should put and I will reading the comments and expectations of the players,viewers and youtubers to determinate the final price. The game it's expected to launch around March - April of 2026, so I still have time to think about it.

>>543067695
>my monster catcher

>>543069220
You are trolling for putting it anything above $2

>>543068982
we don't make games

>>543056406
don't listen to the crabs this is cute. I like the purple bnnuy

>>543069220
NTRcoded

>>543069220
NTRcoded

>>543067623
this looks like a lot of fun

>>543068252
>I will continue
2 b gay

a game where you play as a barbarian with a cute harem of wives

>>543069235
If it starts to blow up I'm gonna make Nintendo an offer they can't refuse. Shiggy's gonna love me bro.

>>543069754
Why are barbarians such manwhores

huh?

>>543056406
Fucking hell, I already liked your art style but that colouring is gorgeous.

>>543044895
Why? God's plan is perfect, why would you try to change it?

>>543069754
Based (as long as it's not pedo shit).

>>543069924
>le reaction image
literally quirk chungus: 4chan edition

my game is basically ball x pit but worse
lmao oof

>>543070543
Here king, you dropped your crown

>>543069220
why are maam smiling like that?

>>543070802
>a jew owns a kipa
damn you showed him.

>>543070789
sounds fun

>>543071010
>he worships a jew
>he's a part of the only voting bloc in existence which supports Israel
gross but to each his own

i hate roguelikes

schizo hours

>>543069220
>$15
>5 maps
>No bosses
>No plot
Arcadeslop only makes sense if it's cheap, just like the real quarter muncher machine.

why is this general always offtopic

>>543069275
Keep pocketwatching seether.

>>543071474
nodevs

Jeez this place is dead.

>>543071474
The real aggy is on the 'cord and 'gram

>>543071621
who is this girl

>>543069754
i look like this

>>543071320
what does jesus or christianity have to do with the fact that randy fine is a jew?
also LMAO at
>the only voting bloc in existence which supports Israel

>>543066429
>>543071320
>going in circles
Like a mongrel dog with rabies.
Except people like dogs.

>>543071737
Fygoon's future victim.

>>543071621
>tfw

>>543071737
CHADgoon's future wife

just learned to use vrm posing desktop poses with koikatsu models using blender.

>>543072164
Too old for him

I've been calling it "guh-Doe" am I wrong? is it "go-dot"?

>>543072450
Goh- doh

>>543071840
>>543071896
I'm just gonna worship the jewish corpse I Know..... UGH I know... It's just that I'm not gonna do it is all HAHAHAHAHRHAHAHA HARAHARHARH

uh oh meltie

>>543072623
>I'm just gonna

>>543071401
He's not even crazy, just another autist who got his brain hurt by pol lol

>>543072363
>Too old
Who are you to say what is or isn't too old for me? If given the opportunity, I'd smash Sophie Howard because she's hot.

Have this Ayako.

>>543074457
she looks like she gets groomed by the 'cord into wasting 5 years developing a flop

>>543071438
>>543069275

> 7 maps And a secret 8 stage
> Each map have their unique set of enemies and a mini boss
> Time attack mode: the goal is to kill a set amount of enemies as fast as possible.
> Endless mode: the goal is to survive as long as you can.
> No story, no reasons it's something I say in the trailer.

Ultrakill cost 25$, Dusk 20$, Devil daggers 10$.... I played those games and based in the amount of content, Guns and Nuns would by around 15$ to 10$.... at least that's what I am thinking right now.

>>543075319
guns and nuns should be $7.77

Yet another greedy entitled indie dev. trying to scam hard working consumers by charging way too much again. This is why I always only pirate indie games and encourage others to pirate indie games.

>>543075319
The cheapest of those says 5 hours and I'm struggling to see people spend 37 minutes per map.
>Oh, but the value comes from you replaying the game for score and survival
Once I see the final boss I'm done so I can get back to gamedev. Platformers have this exact same problem.

Cut the scope so it can release at $7.77

>543074635
Success breeds jealousy.

>>543076478
Keep it $10, but put it on sell for $6.66. That or the OST can be set to that price.

>>543076996
7.77 is because it's holy(nuns). maybe 6.66 works better since 777 might be lost on more people

If I can submit next DD I'll die happy

>>543077441
submit or die

>>543077441
Oh, it's you.
Nice.

>>543028302
RIP fellow gamedev

>>543077441
Looking good, hope you make it to DD.

wait... guns and nuns could have megabonk gameplay. put those capsules to work

>>543077313
Thought of 666 since she is killing demons. 777 also makes me thing of slots

>>543077816
There's no pick 1 of 3 cancer that makes YouTube chat wet. Unless...

>>543028302
yeah we learned of his death last year. he invented backpack heroes (jack and casie)

>>543078007
merge dungeon watchers and guns and nuns codebases

>>543075319
No offense but your game isn't ultrakill, the finnicky gravity alone plus weird map design where you allow players to just do a 180 spin around a platform whenever they want and however many times they want(probably breaks the balance, besides being hard to aim and jumping backwards can transition you into a gravity shift where in fast shooters you want to have stability of knowing where you land and that your aim remains the same)
then there's pistols blocking both sides of your FOV because you decided to put them too high.
I don't think pricing it over 8-10(10 base before discount) is smart.

>>543079082
shut up crab

>>543079165
those not receptive to criticism are ngmi

never chase trends

>>543076940
>Success

One word: Metroid.

>>543079082
Ummm, I do believe you just contradicted yourself.

>>543070476
boring

>>543079165
nta but it doesn't strike me as a crab post. I agree with all his criticisms. It's still a cool game, it has it's own strengths, but it does feel like someones first fps. so a lower price than these makes sense.

>having a birthday celebration with family and a few close friends
>people congratulating me, shaking my hand
>one dude I barely know, dirty and greasy, comes up and makes a weird face and does this thing with his lips
>"I make bideogames, I make bideogames" he says jumping from one foot to the other in a gross caricature
>my friends clap and start doing it too
>"That really is what you look and sound like" my mom says, also copying him
>They're all laughing and doing this mockery until I finally leave
why does it have to be like this

>>543057774
I've created a near-fully functional template for combos. What now?

>>543080239
I don't even get what the purpose of posting this copypasta is
at least the 400-700 games one is supposed to be demoralizing

I make witualposeds, I make witualposeds
*jumps from one foot to the other in a gross caricature*

>>543080002
i look like this

we're entering a golden age for story games

https://x.com/Tedd_zero/status/1978816466821517646

>>543069754
what's with lolifags and cuck shit

>>543080789
anon that's his daughter...

>>543080915
According to chuddies if you let your daughter have sex with anyone except you you're a cuck