Thread 1744732

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Peaceful Past: >>1565093

STOP LIKING EVIL WOMEN

My SM got 2 epic weapons in 2 days of hells
Pic related is what my sets look like

>come back after being gone for a while
>enjoy the game
>reach level cap
>have to "play" "endgame"
>immediately remember why I hate Korean game devs
>quit

tfw :(

>>1744832
iktf, I used to tolerate Korean games but today? They went off the rails with systems and alt farming, it was better when it used to be plain grinding.

>>1744742
stop making them so hot animators

>>1744742
Venus is the epitome of "WOMAN MOMENT"

>>1744920
so shes just mad or crazy the adventurer is evading her realm?

Consider Empyrean women

>>1744832
They addressed that this cap to limit dailies to 20. You don't have to come here to complain and just quit.

>>1745082
please don't respond to and ignore/hide the troll

>>1744815
You can put buff swap gears in your safe now, plus all the operation hope gears are trash that you can remove since they don't do anything anymore.

God i love my unga bunga angel woman

>>1745098
I knew that O:H gear is useless now (it's in the process of unlocking into diss right now) but not not that you could put swap gear in the safe. That's pretty nice, will finally up some space

>>1745115
shes cool

>>1744922
>Goddess kept scoffing at the mortals trying to save their city from being whaled just because she's still butthurt over the flower.
>Never bothered explaining she didn't have, or no longer has the power to control the behemoth to begin with, which probably would have saved a lot of headaches.
>Goes as far as siding with the bad guys just to spite the ningens after getting her super saiyan ass kicked.
Yep, woman moment, alright. That said, the ice nigga should have known, too, something smelled fishy when that Vanitas bitch gave him that flower on a silver platter after so damn long, but that could be excused of him being too desperate to lift the melanine curse to realize he was being played like a fiddle.

>>1744918
Where's the evil bird tits?

>>1745190
You might want to keep the weapon to turn into a skin since it's rare now (figuratively and literally)

How big of a boost are the insignias and gems, should I actually bother focusing on upgrading them now

>>1746428
It's free stats either way and makes hitting 100% crit easier.

Aaah, another day where I didn't even get a single fucking leggo on any of my characters, or even tradeable versions of unique souls after farming nothing but DoD and leftover weeklies
Lovely
Fuck this horrid RNG

>>1746428
Wait until next patch. They'll let you use Malefic Residue for the upgrades. Residue's sometimes hard to liquidate depending on where you are in progression, so a big gold sink like this is welcome.

Are there events I should wait for before I start playing? I touched this game a few times like in 2017 and have gotten the itch again

>>1746873
No, you should start right now. There's a crusader shortage so there's a crazy crusader leveling event on where you get like 1000 demon invitations a week, a bunch of free amps, a free armor set that lets you skip a ton of progression steps, it's insane. Reset's on tuesday so youll get a fuckload of stuff in like 2 days of playing. There's also a pill from the first attendance award that you can use on your character from a previous cap to instantly update them to the newest cap with some really decent titles and avatars and shit that'd normally cost 40-50m gold. There's also an event that gives 500 demon invites for hitting level 115.

>>1746898
>crusader shortage prompts neople to run a whole sader boost event
>can't use my existing sader because 36000 fame is too strong
very cool neople thank you not like i could use the amps, pinks, and thousands of extra hell invites

>>1746905
All the saders are among the most interesting classes in the game anyways so you might as well make all of them.

>>1746927
>All the saders are among the most interesting classes
Except the actual two saders

>>1746930
They're both interesting. They have buffs and shit they need to remember to upkeep. People treat F.Sader like she's braindead but she has more going on than the average DPS.

>>1746927
i don't want to play that many classes, plus the sader i already have has an avatar set which is more or less entirely impossible to replace now

>>1745468
yeah he should of known. you mean her?

How the heck do you actually play skirmisher

>>1747609
what do you mean
just press buttons

>>1746980
No, the newest evil titty birb.

>>1746444
Haha another day except I didn't even get a unique gear on my main this time

What is the absolute most braindead class, a class where I can mash two buttons and coast through the entire game? I want the opposite of F. Striker / Battle Mage.

>>1747738
Asura, maybe.

>>1745115
didnt they nerf lb into the fucking ground post synergy rework?
haven't played since dusky first released

>>1747738
>>1747749
2nd for asura. if you want to just press button win game and not have to partake in the +12 or higher system, asura is it. literally press all your fucking buttons and still do acceptable damage, but still requires more than 2 buttons.

or, be a sader/enchantress and press the same 2-3 buttons every now and then.

least button pressing i can think of would be:
asura/lb/van/ts/lawnchair, maybe fmech

but optimal damage and "getting away with the minimum" are 2 very different things

>>1747609
Use the mirage attack skills to cancel skills that can be cancelled into them as well as mirage without any direction input cancel on skills and make the mirage finish them for you. That's about it. Rest is just muscle memory and knowledge of what skills can be used in the air air and how to chain them together. For example Vital Strike (45), cancel with Rising Lance to have the mirage finish Vital Strike for you, then in the air you can use several different skills but good ones to demonstrate would be Spiral Wave (35) or Mist Flare (80) because you can cancel those into mirage or mirage skills as soon as you hit the ground.

Just practice in the training room for like 15-20 mins and you should get good enough to do some content with it. They made more skills air usable and mirage cancelable compared to when the class was first released to make it more fluid and able to dodge mechanics compared to back then. Another thing is when you use the 75 skill Quadruple Drive it comes out a lot faster if you chain Quick Punto into Double Punto first before using it. It's the most technical lancer class with Dragoon being the second most but you can easily get to a usable skill level with both in like an hour of playing around in the training room.
>>1748001
They constantly give free +12s now so it's not a huge deal. Asura is only technical at the high end with using the 1a basic attack/changes fire and ice waves before you fire off 3a and timing that properly on hard content so you'll be able to unload the 3a finisher during groggy/neutralize groggy but still get something out of the Wave Eye modified skills before then. They should probably change the Asura 1A to be like Weapon Master's 2A where he keeps the Wave Eye modified skills for the full 40sec duration like Weapon Master does for his Telekenetic Swords even after he fires off the finisher.
>>1747738
Male Crusader (Battle mode). He's even very overpowered right now. Female Nen Master is another easy one.

>>1747709
I routinely get more drops running starfall than I do from dailies. It honestly makes me wish I'd started running it on my main sooner instead of making more alts.

>>1747676
holy shit! they made another suspiciously sexy creautre

>>1748178
>I routinely get nothing running starfall, even rares so I have no idea why people tell others to run that instead of track

>run 1+1 and weeklies on 20 alts
>only gotten 2 primevals in 35 days. one on a complete trash alt
>still haven't popped a primeval in DoD
>resources are starting to get thin.
>dupes dupes and more dupes so only 2 characters even has a set breaking into unique.
this shit ain't right man...

>>1748355
I don't know if this is the absolute worst the RNG has been but it's pretty terrible, really fucked up
Also reminder that the sole reason we can even run so many hells right now are the events that are on right now which'll run out soon

which archer is the most fun

>>1748425
Unironically Muse, others are very generic in how they play to a point where they are just boring
And I hate saders

>>1748425
Which one has the biggest smile?

Uh, i assumed summoner was the most braindead class, you just need to dodge while your invulnerable summons kill things, no?

>>1748355
Today I'll remind them.
https://arca.live/b/dunfa/136489051?mode=best&p=1

>>1748536
I guess that's especially true now that she can summon nearly everything at once, bur she lacks iframes, but Asura's awakening build (which was very popular at 110 cap, but got nerfed at 115) is literally mashing the same 3-4 buttons until boss dies.

>>1744732 (OP)
who is this slut

>>1748416
Level 90 cap was worse but it had other content you could do outside of the gearing progression track including the last cap's gold farming dungeon which produced like 3m raw gold and relevant materials in ~20 mins on a decent character that wasn't hard to get the gear you would farm with. This cap clearly has weighting towards weapons you can use but that doesn't help for the other 11 item slots.

>fight boss on a weaker character
>run up to it and cube
>it teleports to the other side of the screen so my cube missed
>run up to it again and cube
>it teleports to the other side of the screen so my cube missed
>run up to it again and cube
>it teleports to the other side of the screen so my cube missed
yeah nah this whole level cap is cancer
these are normal dungeons why the fuck are bosses doing this
this reminds me of start of 110 cap where they gave 50% of moves bosses and minibosses had invul frames for no reason and they had to patch them all away because farming dungeons was infuriating
this has the exact same energy

>>1749068
It's because they reused the content from the advanced dungeons and just stripped them down of half of their patterns for the normal dungeon bosses.

Which is better for a Troubleshooter, I thought the weapon type itself didn't matter much for this cap

>>1748855
>This cap clearly has weighting towards weapons you can use
meanwhile my main has seen one prim that was an offclass weapon and hasn't been able to upgrade past leg yet

>>1749068
bird and squidtits are both kind of awful about this, i don't know why

>>1749122
Probably the core blade, but you can just use the equipment simulator.

>>1749122
Legacy OD has more OD then generic SqS so it's immediately better, not to mention it also has object damage.

>>1749242
>Legacy OD
I mean Legacy CB

>>1749242
It also doesn't have any of the negative properties that affect physical percent classes like -attack speed, +cooldown timer, +mp cost and at the same grade it will have the same physical attack value and more strength so it's just flat out better in every way.

>>1748536
dont you have to resummon shit to blow it up and make sure you're near it? havent played smn in a while, but i remember having to run around far closer than I wanted to to spam my shit. also one of those things where its like if you want to play smn, do you really wanna be playing dfo.

i liked necro in like 90 cap, donno how it holds up now, but only having 2 summons felt better than playing a slave driver. ymmv

>>1748536
>>1749650
Isn't Chaos the same

>>1748536
I liked object summoner a lot in 110 cap to do exactly that but the build doesn't really work in 115 cap and now that 80% of my damage isn't coming from procs I notice that the actual auto attack damage of summons is pathetically low, most of your damage as summoner actually comes from running into something's face and using a summon's attack. Combine that with the fact that you want to keep stacking mark the target which has like 1 second of cooldown and you want to keep whipping your summons and you end up with a class that requires surprisingly high APM to actually keep its damage up. Every second you're just standing there or dodging is still costing you DPS like any other class.
You can let your summons do their thing in regular dungeons but summoner isn't good for farming those either. Sure you can summon everything in one button press but you still stand there casting all that shit for a good 2 seconds which doesn't sound like a lot but it adds up when you're just trying to spam dungeons over and over. Also your summons don't move as fast as you do so you'll run into mobs before they reach them which means you're clearing a lot slower than something that can just run in and use an AoE. When I was farming casino on summoner back in 110 cap I didn't even summon anything, I just used whip and mark the target and let the AoE procs from my gear clear the room. Now that this isn't an option anymore I don't even know if I'll keep gearing mine.

I guess it's still unmatched if you want to play with one hand while staring at another monitor or something.

>>1749652
Chaos requires you to micromanage your summons way more than Summoner if you want them to do damage. It's usually easier to just use her sword skills.

When is the new big patch and what'll be in it?

>>1749183
>>1749242
>>1749299
The CB looks like a power up on the simulator, so I'll run that for a while I guess. I was just not sure because you will practically lose out on all the bonuses of Square Sword Mastery

>>1749793
Infinite Florescence. Two more weeks. Trust the plan.

Is playing 20 chars good or a bait?
I play 13 already and while I would have the time to do dailies on 7 more I don't have the drive to gear any more chars

>>1750717
Early on a new level cap always baits you into playing tons of characters and it always ends with only playing like 3 of them by the time the level cap ends.
I'd do the weekly ancient dungeons on as many characters as you can since the rewards are good and they only take like two minutes each per week but doing anything more than that is just too autistic.
Even if you did want to play 20 characters I wouldn't max out on them right away since we're guaranteed to get more leveling events when chimera and medic release and you'll get "free" characters that are much stronger than a character you've only been doing weeklies with so far. Stronger characters mean faster dailies.

>>1750729
I think you're right, I'll just stick with my current roster for now and maybe gear up a few more chars with future leveling events. I don't really see myself running future content on that many characters anyways unless there's an incentive to do so (like the old raid shop).

The thing with this cap is there isn't really anything to burn extra fp on (except hells and annihilate but resource-gated) so once you're done with dailies/weeklies you're essentially done whereas in previous caps you could farm gold or terranium or whatnot, so running more chars feels more incentivized than ever at least early-on.

>>1750756
You can run normals, it's not much extra time per character (maybe 5 minutes) but it's something.

>>1749800
Sex with an artificial god please

>>1750970
dont she'll turn your club into cubes

>>1749800
Well what's this one about

>>1751070
Isn't she Eldirh's daughter?

Sex with Seon women

>>1751572
i guess. thought she was processed with space science magic and model magazines

>>1751070
God, please

>F nen master
>brainless
How? does she have autoaim on all her skills or what?

>>1750717
The new update in korea says you have to play at least 12 chars.

>>1751746
Majority of your skills have this kind of range.

>>1751670
that's a sexy hag

How the FUCK are you supposed to deal with the stupid star phase of Venus, god damn
I have no idea how to deal with half the crap she does, like the screenwide double nukes you can't jump over that also have nothing to silk to or the whole constellation thing
The stupid dance phase was also easier than the first phase by far

>>1750729
>chimera and medic
I'm still mad a new class is getting a 5th before most classes and f.gunner is just getting a boring as fuck buffer of all things
Shill your 5th class ideas to me, anons.

>>1751826
which mechanic is giving you trouble
there's a bunch of double waves. the first pair you just silk to the center flower, the second you need to drop stars to finish the ground constellation, which spawns gemini for you to tether to. all the ones after that you can tether to sirocco

>>1751830
The one that is like a barrage with no red markers and hits everywhere, starts from one end till the other side of the screen and does it again from the other side

>>1751829
Hoplite lancer that's like monhun lance so we finally have a lancer that has lots of short cd short duration invul moves
Fuck lancer actually, f lancer with stripper pole moves when

>>1751829
Speedster: Thief riding a mechanical bike that turns into two weapons like that one weapon from dmc 5. incorporates dark elf principles to vehicles and technology

>>1751829
Well my 5th class idea were the goth loli fmage and combat medic fgunner and I got exactly those.

>>1751826
The gemini gimmick? You must complete the constellation by filling the holes with the star bombs being thrown at you while jumping over the shockwaves, then if you succeed you silk to the twins statues to jump over the starfall waves. Remember to use silk midair so you will always make sure you'll teleport to a valid target.
There can also be an empty star spot hidden by the GUI at the bottom, keep that in mind.

>>1751829
>5th Agent
Hast to be Pirate
>5th Lancer
Has to be monkey with stick.
>5th Knight
Has to be a mecha musume for Lightsabre rep. Absolutely must have a gigadrill for an awakening skill.
The others I dunno.

>>1752096
For the love of god, no more Wukong themed characters in vidya

>>1752201
(You) VILL have the chinese monkey with a stuck
(You) VILL like the chinese monkey with a stuck
and (You) VILL be happy!

>>1752227
I actually did like and enjoy them in the past, then they got a bit obnoxious. Enough is enough.

>>1751981
We already have a character with a motorbike though, troubleshooter. Sadly it's only on his neo cube

>>1751829
if the pattern remains true, i have a theory the next to get a 5th subclass will be female fighter and she will use tonfas

>>1751819
Holy shit

>>1752386
braaaaaap

>>1751826
https://dfoarchive.blogspot.com/p/venus-goddess-of-desire-and-beauty.html

>>1752386
>ai slop
come on anon, you can do better than that

>>1748355
>20 alts
4 years ago, the game banned me for playing with alts, they actually answered my e-mails, but my will to play got completely crushed.

How is the game now compared to 4 years ago?

>>1752583
the game never banned players for playing alt chars as it's instilled into the game's very design

>>1751306
new solo only dungeon to help gear up
https://dfoarchive.blogspot.com/2025/03/korea-season-10-act-1-side-story.html

The pity system here is the single worst pity ever holy crap
What do you mean I have to grind for so long to have a chance at a pity that might not even drop a shitty piece of the set I said I wanted and just drop a fucking leggo weapon, ie something not even part of sets and for a different class so it's literally useless?

>>1753267
It's because Abyss isn't actually a pity system. It's a rewards system. Mathematically, it's like getting 50+ hell runs all at once. That's it. The "guarantee" of getting certain sets really just acts as a run multiplier, quadrupling the chances of the gear you want dropping (except not even that much because they leave the weapons in the pool and that fucks up the odds).

But of course it's only quadrupling the chances of you getting a drop for your set, it's not quadrupling the chances of getting a high rarity drop. It's still only 13 runs with a minor guarantee that you'll at leaat get a lego. I think we've all done 13 runs without dropping anything before. Hell, I think we've all run full NeoPrem FP bars without dropping anything decent, and that's about 40 runs (same as an abyss).

Realistically, Abyss is just there so they can give out a 10% overall drop rate increase that you can only access if you play that character a lot. It's like a store rewards program, they want you to see your "rewards points" increasing on all your shitter alts, and you dont want to "waste" them so you keep playing the game. The actual pity system is tuning and promoting.

>>1753452
there's also the pity system of spending 5 prim souls on a random weapon for your class! just get five prim drops first
and then buy all the void souls

>>1753175
>new solo only dungeon to help gear up
>Except you have to hope for more RNG to even having a chance at entering it
Yay...

>>1753723
you can buy bracelets from the book for pink souls, just only 4/mo accountwide
extras you gotta rng

>>1753267
there are talks of a new director (jong is moving to ms2 afaik), so people are hoping that he'll add a ceiling system

>>1753864
>ceiling system
Huh

>>1753865
천장, 天井, celing

I will riot if paramedic doesn't have another starcraft reference. I specifically want the stimpack sound when she buffs someone.

>>1753864
God, I forgot MS2 was still running in other places. What's it like now?

>>1753864
>>1753908
maplestory 2 is shutting down...

Am I the only one experiencing audio issues?
Sometimes my game gets extremely quiet and I have to click outside the window to get my normal sound level back. It's a huge pain in the ass.

>>1754297
No, it's been a bug forever. I swear it's been around for a decade.

>>1754297
It's a bug that has not been fixed for YEARS. Every time the settings menu gets closed the audio will always reset to default values regardless if any changes were made or saved. I play with sound on low and I inadvertently get my ears blasted when I configure something

>>1753864
We have no idea if a new director actually means anything good other than the initial "hey guys, I'm new so here are some gifts" phase that lasts two weeks or something. For all we know he can double down on DoD

Are you supposed to use souls on hell tickets or nah?
I'm not sure what to spend souls on right now, I'm not far enough into the cap to consider transfers

>>1755167
rare souls to buy unique souls
unique souls to buy void souls
legendary souls to buy doom oracles or open pots
epic souls for tuning
primeval souls to buy doom oracles or open pots

>>1755275
>void souls
I heard they're a bitch this cap but it kind of hurts my soul to spend 800 souls for 100 when I could get 160 hell runs instead. Is it really worth it?

>>1755348
It's worth it if your 100 souls away from transferring a primeval or something to your main that will get you into nabel sell raid. It's not worth it generally speaking, better to use them to tune alts or wait for the new dungeon that lets you convert them into 240 hell runs instead of 160.

>decide to finally buy and play khazan
>spent like four hours on it
>turns out I bought and played it during the 24 hour period where they introduced a critical bug that prevented you from picking up items
My luck is immense. I need to start running more hells. I can feel the prims coming.

>>1755465
hows the levels? are they fun to walk around in?

>>1755348
it's realistically the only way to graduate from hell runs

>>1755443
you're a bitch nigger if you buy runs. as expected of someone posting continuously of shitty opinions

>>1755727
I said sell raid, dipshit.

humiliation ritual

>>1755687
Not really. The colour palettes are pretty bad, very monochrome. Levels are mostly linear with a few branches. Honestly the attempts at level design mostly just get in the way of the more interesting part of the game, which is fighting big enemies.

>9 out of 11 chance to be an upgrade
this should be illegal.

>>1755930
never forget
this happened to me and then i stopped buying boxes

>>1755930
And that's why you tune.

>>1755465
>primeval drops
>can't pick it up either
what now?

>>1756119
That's even LUCKIER!

How do you even farm gold on this level cap?

>>1756371
Play 20 chars, run dailies every single day and do weeklies (advanced dungeons and mu, venus if you can)
Sell all your tradeable shit: souls, residues, harmonious crystals
Buy clues from banibou shop and run all your annihilates
Stack random arcane box drops, wait until you have 100 to blow it all on a good item of the month and sell the arcane shards
Pray for lucky BiS enchant drops and sell for massive amounts of gold
Don't open pots
Wait for new raid and get into chinkwhale groups who bid gold cap on shinies

>>1756587
>Pray for lucky BiS enchant drops and sell for massive amounts of gold
What do you mean by this?

>>1756953
Loot a card or combine and pray for some BiS combine-only card

>>1755930
it happens sometimes, gotta keep trying as the expected value including any fails, is still much more worth it than tuning

>>1755930
I had 7 out of 11 epic pots be dupes at coincidentally 7/11 chance to get an upgrade at the start. I would've opened more if I didn't get down to 3/11 chance. Keep trying as it's worth it.

>>1757547
It is not "worth it", lmao. You spent 50m gold and 110 epic souls to get four upgrades you don't even need yet this cap.

>>1757630
found the shitter not getting into nabel

Hello, new player here.
I'm confused by this "event character" choice.
Say I want to make a priest (which I do), am I supposed to make a normal priest or an event priest?

>>1757700
Make a new one. The "designate existing" option is for people who had like, a buffer alt that they haven't played in a while and they want to use the event rewards on that.

>>1757701
That's now that I mean.
I can make a new one in two ways, the "regular" option gives me all classes available, while the event options only gives mage, priest and archer.

>>1757711
Because mage, priest and archer have buffer classes

>>1757711
You see, the event going on is for buff classes. Which is specifically like, Male and Female Crusader (Priests), Enchantress (F Mage) and the one Archer. So you can only use those classes in the event. If you don't want to play a healslut that makes your party go from 200 to 2000000000, there's no point in making an event character then. Well besides all of the stuff they give you just from doing the event that's account tradable, whatever that is.

>>1757736
>If you don't want to play a healslut that makes your party go
If I do, should I make an event priest or a regular priest? Are there disadvantages to making an event character or things I lock myself out of?

>>1757750
The disadvantage to making an Event Character is... you don't get to play through the story normally I think. But you can just make another character and do that with them. Also since it fast tracks you to max level when you finally get there it can be a little confusing on "well what do I do now", but there are tutorials and since you're new and a lot of stuff in this cap is new that was going to happen anyway.
Event characters get a whole bunch of bonus stuff because these Buffer events are thinly-veiled "please god make and play buffers in raids the population is too low" cries for help, so just make sure you pick the class you really want to play since they'll have a leg up on a non-event character.

>>1757711
Make an event character.

>>1757750
make an event character. the event ends next week so you won't be able to get all the mission rewards but the boosted character and complimentary gear will help get you started.
>Are there disadvantages to making an event character or things I lock myself out of?
you can only make one event character so choose carefully. muse is the hardest buffer to play and i don't recommend her for a beginner but if you like a good challenge... who am i to stop you.

>>1755797
hmm think i'll just keep waiting for a sale. i like boss fights but that yeti in the demo was annoying. i kept dodging trying to regain stamina and it just grabs and smacks me out of its animations

>>1755275
What do you use void souls for really

>>1757906
Currently, there's two uses for it.
>Buying a primeval weapon pot or generic box.
500 void souls + 5 prime stellas are required to buy one.
The generic box is account bound and the weapon is selectable, but it has none of the stronger legacy weapons.
Pots are RNG and untradable but it does have said legacy weapons, however, those still have a chance to roll a selectable generic weapon box instead.
This is the main reason to save void souls given how absurdly powerful primeval weapons are, especially most of the legacy ones.
>Promoting/Transcending equipment.
Uniques only cost one void soul along with other mats but the services' void soul cost dramatically increases with legs and higher.
Transcending uniques is fine if you really need them, but any higher should only be considered as a last resort to reach primeval grade or even fully complete the epic equip set.
Promoting is NOT recommended because you'll lose all your precious souls used for tuning in the process.

A new event character is actually usable?

>>1758094
>This is the main reason to save void souls given how absurdly powerful primeval weapons are, especially most of the legacy ones
But how do you even get the stellas
This is bullshit

>>1758132
Disassembling Primals

can you summon boss enemies in dungeons?

>>1758134
I know, but you cant even get primals god damn it. How many runs on average is a primeval drop and with how important they are, how likely are you even to dissassemble that crap

>>1758214
You probably disassemble 90% of prims, unless it's a legacy drop for your main or an accessory piece your main needs. Even those, you can maybe finance ONE total before you're out of void souls. Otherwise there's no reason not to disassemble them, in case you get a tradable primeval soul you can sell.

Can I safely disassemble all this oldass stuff?

>>1758303
If you give a shit about it I think some of this stuff can be registered in your achievement book for extra lore.

>>1758303
You can keep the weapons for your class if you ever want to turn them into weapon skins, but otherwise they're basically relics at this point, and not the kind someone might care about like a piece of Chronicle Gear

>>1758303
you may want to keep weapons to turn into skins and sell to niche collectors or for personal use. material drops that have a clock icon means it's from outdated content. you can click on the item and a shop button will popup and you can exchange it for something more useful (usually). not all items have this qol feature so double check the description on what you can do with them. if it says "this item can no longer be obtained/used" then just sell it.

>>1758306
>>1758307
>>1758326
Thanks. I'll hold the weapons and get rid of everything else. Sadly only one of the several outdated materials could still be used.

Maintenance in the next 15 hours
https://www.dfoneople.com/news/notices/4484/Scheduled-Maintenance-MAY-20,-2025

What's supposed to be Chimera's gimmick?
Speaking of, is the latest m gunner class actually fun

First time player
This shit is so slow to download
Reminds me of high school patching Grand Chase except now i have good internet but the patcher is still a relic

>>1744732 (OP)
>Dungeon Fighter Online
Worth getting into in 2025?

Mam, Venus 1 is easily the hardest one. It takes me three times as many tries to bag her as ot does the others. Weird fucking balancing on these bosses.

>>1759768
It is way harder than 2 and 3 for sure. 4 is also guaranteed to gib you a few times going in but that's mostly because you dont know shit unless you read a guide already

>>1758139
Shes a dragon, shes evil

>>1759327
Please understand, it has to download all the thousands of spritesheets accumulated over the last 10 years, one at a time.

>>1758741
>What's supposed to be Chimera's gimmick?
Besides being a brat that desperately needs correction, I heard she has a tool pickup gimmick which reduces cooldown on certain skills of hers.
>Speaking of, is the latest m gunner class actually fun
I find it fun, yeah, but some people don't like to micromanage the walker or something.

>>1759850
Yeah people find the Walker very boring and monotonous to use and play. Others find him a mishmash of various ideas neople throwed at the wall for what a "Cool 5th mgunner" could be which makes him seem unfocused and uninteresting to them.

>>1759768
it's the easiest one tho? you only need 200k cdps, which if you know what you're doing, you have double that at cutline fame

>>1760126
He's talking about the first boss fight, not the easiest difficulty.

>>1759350
it's a kmmo so if you know what to expect and like these kind of games i'd say it's worth giving dfo a try. just don't play the steam version.

>>1744832
I quit this game when I realised it wasn't an actual beat'em'up, but an ARPG, where your skills nuke the entire room and you go from one room to another, and clear them with a press of a single button, one after another. It's a shame though, I think the game could've been great if it was a true beat'em'up and not whatever it is now.

>>1760997
It used to be a beat em up but nowadays it wants to be an arpg

>>1760997
it's still a beatemup for the hardest endgame bosses, up until you outgear them and they turn into paste instantly
largo unchained my beloved

>>1761245
No, that guy's right, it fits the ARPG model pretty well. Most ARPGs have fodder enemies and then challenging boss fights you can trivialize through gearing.

I feel like one of the defining characteristics of a beat-em-up is that you're usually fighting (and being challenged by) regular enemies, not just bosses.

>>1752614
I mean different accounts.

>Update somehow broke party play
>Venus' bitches won't spawn randomly or there's some other weird fucking issue
>Soloing is a total pain in the dick, especially the first fight, fuck you and your flowers, Venus.
I guess I won't be doing much Venus this week...

>>1759800
i can tame her

What should I be doing after ending the main questline at lv 115? Also what should I be buying with Merchant Silver Coins?

>>1761683
two daily dungeons, though they'll only be available starting tomorrow for you
hells
weeklies (advanced dungeons, legions, raids)
normal dungeons if you really want

for coins: check to see if any of the enchants are upgrades for you, i can't remember how they match up to the free set. same deal for fusion stones
buy the materials that let you upgrade your account insignia. they're capped weekly so just grab a batch when you can

>>1761373
as far as i know multiple accounts are allowed you're just not allowed to run multiple clients on the same machine at the same time
they run some returnee campaigns every now and then and i just add my own alt accounts to get rewards on my main

>>1761761
I didn't run multiple accounts at the same time, I only logged in multiple accounts for some event I don't even remember. I couldn't care less for the other accounts but that one is my OBT acc, granted it has nothing on it except the OBT cape and title, but still kinda sucks. I can still play there but I can't even use disassemble, that means I'm locked at the beginner lab. I'm trying sending a ticket to Neople again but whatever, gonna stick with Steam account.
>>1761697
Thanks, the enchants are kinda the same if not worst, didn't find fusion stones there on the shop yet, for now I bought the insigia materials.

So how are you supposed to handle both of Venus's side bitches at the same time, that phase is cancer

>>1761987
just prioritize dodging
there's a couple attack patterns where you can make them run into each other and it'll give you a groggy, both times with a big double circle on you

>>1761798
unfortunately, you got the short end of the stick. the anticheat is notoriously bad for banning players randomly for no apparent reason meanwhile, the actual problems that are ruining the game like gold farming bots/sellers, multiboxers, cheaters, what have you still persist to this day seemingly unpunished. from time to time, i've seen 3 different groups of the same faggot(s) in the party finder. it's a very obvious sign of multiboxing because they have the same name and/or explorer club name. i also found a bunch of bots teleport spamming at the entrance to dod in the trade channel which is rather on the nose funnily enough. shit's bonkers i tell ya.

>>1761265
Maybe DFO would work better as a Musou game than a traditional beat'em up. Speaking of which, remember Ekern? It was pretty fun of them to make a dungeon where they just throw enemies by the hundreds at you to mow down.

>>1762024
I've gotten trade and straight up full on banned saying I got "prohibited 3rd party apps" running in the background even though other than steam itself the only things I run are ch*rome nvidia app

>>1761987
https://dfoarchive.blogspot.com/2025/04/venus-goddess-of-beauty-made-simple.html

>>1762234
DFO's anti cheat doesn't just check what programs are currently running, it checks all programs that ran since last reboot. So you either reboot every time you run DFO or run the command that wipes your system journal history every time you run DFO which in most cases actually takes longer than rebooting and gives your computer a stroke until you do reboot it.

>>1762234
Everyone has their retarded theory as to why, but we were literally told that it's their bot autodetection... bot that is giving false positives. Just send a ticket and it'll be fixed in probably 2 business days.

>>1762575
Yeah but even then I don't run anything too weird, no way they ban torrent programs
>>1762830
I know, but it's still annoying as fuck, especially if it happens on a friday or something

Neople no, stop it

>>1762960
my best set which i've opened a bunch of boxes for is cdr at leg 3
my second best set which i have opened zero boxes for is beyond limits at leg 3
neople please stop this

Is Chaos really bad or I'm the one fucking it up somehow? Her cooldowns are way too big and my Muse and F Sacer clear stuff just as fast.

>>1763850
1. cooldowns are a problem in this current cap, most chars will have their big cubes on an at least a 30s cd
2. your muse and fsader should be clearing things FASTER than any dps
3. yes, chaos is actually pretty bad right now

>>1763850
She's pretty bad. A decent chunk of her damage (maybe 10%) is tied up in her demons, so you have to learn how to micromanage them.

>>1762575
Apparently, the anti-cheat phones home with BlackCypher64.aes, blocking it by firewall doesn't seem to affect the game itself, but there's no garantee it'll help with the ban happy bot, either. Still worth a try.

>>1763850
Cooldowns aren't too bad given how sluggish her rotations are, but her numbers seem to be lacking, buffers are just absurdly strong solo.

>>1764171
>actually gave chimera a 0 sp passive to turn off her voice lines
lmao

>>1764171
paramedic looks less flashy that i thought. chimera's boomerang tools look fun for dealing with crowds

>>1764000
>>1764004
>>1764106
Alright. Is Summoner any better? I know the clear speed will most likely be lacking due to summon mechanics but does her numbers make up for it? I like summon based classes and I want to decide which class should I prioritize, I understand buffers are strong, but I don't know, something about them aren't really appealing especially since I'm playing solo right now.

>>1764171
>Chimera
JA, MON!

>>1764253
She can use the individual summoned monster skill to pull summons to her and do an attack in front as well as letting them passively do stuff. These skills like the Spirit King Echeverria and Tau King Kuruta skills clear normal dungeon rooms very well, but they do have cooldowns like other classes' normal skills. And yes buffers are strong solo and you can probably just make a damage type male crusader with the event right now and never bother playing him as a buffer, plus he's pretty overpowered right now as a damage class.

In the end, they refused to remove the restriction because yes. That sucks, but as I said, nothing of value was lost. I'll keep with the Steam version since they won't give me this problem.
>>1764746
I think I can have more than with Summoner than Chaos since Summoner is the thing I like to play.
>male crusader with the event right now
Anon... I g-gave my event to a M-Muse... also I will not be able to get everything from the event since I only came back to the game 3 days ago.

>>1764883
>more fun with Summoner
Fix.

>>1764253
Solo buffers are where they're broken beyond belief. You're just playing them incorrectly if you're having damage issues with them solo. They are literally build to be at least 25% stronger by default no matter what the situation is. They're also very fun (subjective).

Classes that "summon" stuff are like

Ghostblade, soul bringer, exorcist, mechanic, dragon knight, hunter, chaos, summoner, and enchantress off the top of my head. It depends on how much of a summoning you're looking for.

>>1764883
muse is very strong solo

>>1764883
see if there's anything you like here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngDjmoUP5TI

>>1765048
don't forget necromancer and dimension walker

>>1765077
male striker got so crazy with the animation speed buffs!

>>1765048
>You're just playing them incorrectly if you're having damage issues with them solo.
Don't get me wrong, F Sacer is the strongest and easiest character I've played by far. I'm going blind on old raids and I can tank boss attacks with heals, also all my stage records are with her. Even I can tell how strong buffers are.
>>1765077
>>1765099
Dimension Walker and Necromancer looks badass, in fact Necromancer was my class on OBT. They are on my list of characters to check it out together with F Mechanic, for now I'm liking Summoner, I do feel I should focus on my buffers though.

The new female launcher is going to be so fun with the new system that replaces talismans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onnlf8u1TaE
I really like that they leaned into being able to fire missiles while using skills. The bit at the end where he just stacks every single version that can be used mid animation and just goes ham is peak.
I was looking at the ones for other classes I play and they looked pretty dull but this is everything I could dream of.

>>1765193
just know that summoners are the weakest class by far this cap (proven by mega whale chinks so you literally can't get stronger than that) so don't be surprised once you realize that you're seeing a ton more boss patterns or worse, the boss continues to live after the big "this is where the boss will die" groggy mechanic

>>1765461
I don't like it. Launcher was one of the few remaining caster-type classes that let you actually SEE while you were playing.

>>1765520
then you can go ahead and pick the boring skill upgrades instead

I miss EMPHomura...

>>1765476
>the class I want to play is the shittiest
Like fucking always. Gonna focus on buffers first though. By the way, I got this staff doing Doom, it's a huge Fame upgrade, but is it actually good stat wise? Also, I ended up buying these legendary set chests, but I don't really know if I should invest on it, I assume having gear from the same set might be good.

>>1765570
It's just a standard epic weapon which is a huge damage upgrade from the unique weapon you're using right now so you should disassemble it to put it in the armory and then convert your unique weapon to it right away. Legacy weapons always tend to be better but if you can't get one of the same rarity tier just use the normal epic or primeval you did get.

>>1765598
Alright, thank you. My last question for now, how do I farm gold as a beginner?

>>1765535
EMPHomura
Eriri
Tessa
Tiaramisu
Amaretto

>>1765613
They kind of fucked this up since partway through the level 105-110 cap and there's no easy to way to make money ingame now. Mostly just selling soul crystals has been my thing early in this level cap but the prices are decreasing now that a lot of whales who were buying them have a lot of gear. Maybe when another character is released or another boosted leveling event happens the prices will spike again.

>>1765635
Tessa.....................................................

>>1765690
amogus

>>1765690
>>1765765
>someone took the name
it's over

>>1765675
>Maybe when another character is released
When are they releasing chimera and medic anyways

>>1766041
This summer, likely August.

>>1766046
Is that for KR or for global, by the way?

>>1766068
I think they're currently in the test server for Korea, or they only just recently (like 2 days ago) got added to the live server, so either way I'm not so sure about 3 months but maybe

I sure do hope they balance VP as some classes (summoner) are absolutely shit on and actually nerfed from losing talismans and getting... whatever the fuck this is.

>>1766068
June 5th in Korea and people can play them on the test server right now. We are 2-3 months behind and if you compare the original release dates with the roadmap >>1749800 it lines up and has been accurate so far. For us, Paramedic and Chimera are coming in August.

>>1766235
mad piper returning? cool

>>1766242
same with the other 2 named bosses in reshpon

>Prime stella isn't even account bound
Holy shit I'm never getting a primeval weapon

Newb questions, what are you supposed to do with your mileages
Why would you bother doing adv. dungeons or legions in groups if they're soloable

>>1766275
Usually norhing with mileage, since most items suck. Just buy whatever you think you want or leave it. Hope next season gives good stuff.

As for party, it's faster.

>>1765524
Not really. I don't think anything really gives damage boosts, so the QoL stuff that lets you use your skills in the middle of other skills is always going to be strictly optimal.

>>1765461
>with the new system that replaces talisman
I have no idea what that is

How do you actually get avatars with slots to put emblems in and the emblems, rare avatar bundles look so dang expensive
How can you even afford it for a single character let alone all you play

>>1766439
there are non-rare versions you can buy off the AH

>>1766439
Giveaways from events, usually. Or spending real money on the game. The good news is you only have to buy in on Rare Clones + Emblems once per character.
If you don't care the stat boost from the Rare Clone set you can use Regular Clones.

>>1766439
clone avatar boxes used to be sold in the mileage shop for 6m but were removed and only the skin avatar box remains. fortunately you can get both for 4m if you search for "phantom city clone/skin box" in the auction hall. don't waste any gold emblems on them unless they expire and you have nothing else to use them on, you can get by just fine with silver emblems. now for rare clone avatars, they are guaranteed every anniversary as a free gift or sometimes on rare special occasions like a developer's gift event, otherwise you just have to suck it up and save gold or pay real $ for one until then.

>>1766347
VP system koreans are getting soon. we're losing talismans and runes for this new upgraded system. some classes got some broken ones, some classes got mostly upgrades, some classes got 1 good but rest shitty, and some classes got absolutely fucking shafted >>1766208

>>1766605
The bad part about summoner is that they didn't even keep some old talismans like almost all of the other classes did. They quite literally went out of their way to fuck over summoner. It almost seems malicious.

>>1766605
Damn
Do we have a translated page or something talking about what each class is getting, mostly wondering about Vanguard and Troubleshooter
Speaking of talismans and runes, will we get compensated for their removal in any way and is the new system grindy too?

>>1767252
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/158xcZjQcw1ZwJLfvO1ZguxZ-a51FdV9EjqlvXR-nKSk/edit?gid=443811536#gid=443811536

>>1767252
We don't have to grind for them

>>1766644
I don't get it, I'm looking at them and it looks all of her old talismans were kept?

>>1767273
lmao chinkshit with eop to boot, sad state. just watch these, the most recent 3 vids
https://www.youtube.com/@dnftop/streams
this guy is one of the greatest pvpers back in the days, and has appeared on tv quite a bit along with https://www.youtube.com/@zangzidnf, both extremely strong kdnf rankers

>>1766208
Judging by the white outline, it gets turned into an i-frame skill, something summoner is totally lacking on, but I'm not sure if that was the best idea or implementation of it.

>Had a massive brainfart and get the goblin pin wrong 3x
>Account tradelocked, have to request support
>Goblin pin is removed next day
>Support tells me to use jewgle authentication
>"No thanks"
>Try to issue a new goblin pin
>No can do
>Can't even use any other method
>webpage just goes "Just use jewgle authentication bro"
Man, I don't really want to rely on this shit and I don't see the reason why would they remove all the alternatives to jewgle, but I guess I don't really have a choice but to use it now...

I wanted to give the game a spin: considering that it's a Korean F2P MMO, how much is it actually going to cost me to play the game without suffering horribly? I looked around and it seems there's both a pass thing and a one-time purchase (avatar boxes?) people suggest to do for each character you want to play seriously, how much is the game actually going to charge me for that? The only info I can find around is that the game is P2W, but people mostly throw that term around without actually quantifying how much that is.

>>1767764
I'm f2p and it's perfectly fine.

>>1767764
this game gives you a lot of free shit after a bit. it's only costly if you want the good shit the moment it's out. also there is no "winning" in mmo rpg so people saying if something is "p2w" are absolutely fucking retarded and most likely a gachanigger

>>1767764
Money translates into higher base stats and higher damage %. This is primarily through CAT (Creatures, Auras, Titles) that are "only" purchasable with real money, or buying them off the Auction House with gold from someone else who paid real money for it. Or they give you a budget one for free through some event. The Best in Slot ones (until they make a new BIS one) will have +Attack Amplification%, maybe +100 or more in primary stats (that you have over 2000 in), some crit rate you may not need, and some Elemental Damage. Maybe +2 to a specific skill range to milk extra damage/buff numbers for those skills. The budget/gift ones will have less of these and not all of these.
There are also Rare Avatars which give stats if you have a set of them equipped, as opposed to non-rare Avatars which do not. And the Rare Avatars cost assloads of gold. But they will give those out too, but more rarely. And they both have Emblem slots. And the stat boost isn't massive.
The problem with banking on free shit is that you're supposed to play a bunch of characters every day in this game, and they don't give out the free shit enough to deck out like 8+ characters annually. So F2P players will have like a main or two, and all of your other characters are grindslaves funneling resources into them. The premium CAT and such ARE just better than the free ones you get, but you can do everything in the game without them by pumping your numbers elsewhere. And at the end of the day, just like in 85/86/90/100/110 cap, you can't buy better epic drops. You can buy more rolls via dungeon entrance materials, but everyone has to roll that slot machine and pray.

>>1767764
This game has tons of events that give out free shit so if you're willing to wait you'll eventually get everything you could want on your main character.
However this game's entire business model is selling powerful one time purchases to characters and as such it will try its hardest to get you to make as many new characters as possible and events will not be enough for all of them.

>>1767831
>you can't buy better epic drops
you kinda can
buy souls on market, spend them on tuning/upgrades (and you can buy void souls with the purchased souls too i think?)
no prims though

>>1768032
You can do it but it'll still take months to get all the void souls you'll need.

>>1768032
there is a guy in kdnf who has no primevals so he bought and made 2 primevals (venus and nabel exalts). void souls should never be used to promote

>>1768607
Sure, but he'd still be even stronger with actual prims.

I did it Reddit.

>>1769576
>actual prims
you do know that those items are much stronger than any "actual prims", are in the magic stone/earring slot, and it costs at least 15b gold each right? surely you can't be this stupid

>>1769606
Grats bro, hope you got good shit.

>>1768607
It's too bad that due to our low playerbase, literally nobody can max one out due to lack of available mats.

>>1769606
Nice, what fame?
I'm 54.5k and I want to try beating it for the event, I assume sub 8 mins is impossible

>>1769701
He'd still be stronger with actual prims.

>>1769764
>54.5k fame
>sub 8
Not a chance, you'd need to be at like 180-200m total damage (which is only reached roughly at 60k fame depending on class/equipment) to even be able to reach that time.

>>1769857
>>1769764
Welp, I can't even get past c3 phase 1 (flower form). Why in the fuck is there a 3mins timer

>>1767322
Except it wasn't? If you played summoner, you'd know how important +1 eche is. She lost that in her VP.

>>1770032
We still have time before it's actually out, summoner players in korea are either praying that it was a bug and they'll fix it, and/or they're spamming "delete summoner" in the forums.

https://df.nexon.com/community/dnfboard/list?titleType=4&searchType=1&searchKeyword=%EC%86%8C%ED%99%98%EC%82%AC

>>1769764
Many people have beaten it at 54k fame. Remember that fame isn't important but your cdps is. If you have around 8m, it should be easy. Expect like a 12min+ clear time though.

I know it's outside of the level ranges they're working with but I'm really sad they didn't revive the pony elven build with VP.

>>1770032
>>1770036
Strange because the doc says "talisman skill" for vp1.

>>1769764
60k fame, epic 1 set. Though there's probably a lot of skill issues on my end. For example here's what a Korean was able to do at 56k fame with my class. All my times are faster than his until we get to the last phase where he's 30s faster than me. He could probably shave a minute off my time pretty easily.

>>1770054
The translations on some of those look iffy, like the 35 skill for flauncher in the doc says it doubles the charges from 2 to 4 but when you actually look at a video it makes the charges go from 2 to 6 instead, so it doesn't double to 4, it adds 4 instead.

>>1770038
>>1770076
In the end I gave up and did C2 because I couldn't get past the dps check (best I could muster was 15% of her health bar left). Thankfully I got a very nice upgrade off of it and I'm now sitting at 57.5k fame. Not sure if this means anything but I was "only" leg2 (now leg4).
I'm pretty confident I can beat garden now, should I be guccy for the rest of the fight dps-wise or are other dps checks even tighter?

meanwhile i'm over here at 49.5 and can't beat c2 p1 enrage
give me a fucking weapon fuck you neople

>>1770253
I got too many weapons

>>1770181
There's a 2nd dps check at the 3rd fight's 2nd phase, it should be about the same, if not a bit worse. If you don't beat her in time, the whole place gets nuked.

>>1770181
The advent phase has no time limit, only up to your ability to dodge shit. Most people get filtered by the fight just before that, the 2nd timed phase of Desire and Beauty. She doesn't do any of her constellation stuff so no free dps, plus she moves around a lot so people who are unskilled in their class just can't deal enough damage in time. Some classes just flat out sucks in there, like slow damaging big cubes and stay in field for a while only for Venus to jump out, long channeling skills that sticks you in place, etc.

>>1770253
C2 is designed to be cleared around 3m cdps. This usually means around 49k~53k depending on your class. Also check that you're not having any downtime in your dps window as MANY people are easily filtered because they twiddle their thumbs while dodging instead of doing damage.

Venus auction clearly wasn't really well thought out for global. Nobody is ever doing it.

>>1770343
>Most people get filtered by the fight just before that, the 2nd timed phase of Desire and Beauty.
Would you say the dps check is more strict than garden? Guess I'll see for myself tomorrow might as well give it a shot.
I wouldn't say I had much issues with uptime , it was a raw damage output issue.

>>1770351
I have no idea what the auction even is

>>1770348
>3m cdps
as in cooldown dps? because if so uh
lol
49.6 on fstriker with cleansing

>Just noticed my main with the highest fame and best gear had enchants on the right side with like half the fucking stats of the fucking grimoire cheap enchants
Haha..

>>1770384
Yes it is. I've had a few chars who cleared the first fight with like 5% leftover on enrage, but lost to that part with over 20% hp to go when hitting enrage.
>>1770393
Yeah that'll explain it. Cleansing darkness set SUCKS before hitting legendary 1 set. You will probably jump from that to about 3m+ instantly when doing so.

>>1770351
It's only open for a few hours in korea, but they lifted it here, only to realize that it just thins out the players. Everybody does it right when reset happens by the way. So far I've had no troubles getting 6 chars to auction weekly.

>>1770393
you want to be in general leg 1 set before doing c2, unless you're tip top geared otherwise

Which Knight classes are fun and satisfying bros? Not really interested in spamming summons so maybe not Chaos

>>1770645
>>1770634
yeah well you see the thing about that is

so how bad is the nexon kernel anticheat in terms of security and privacy?

>>1770634
It doesn't suck, it's just going from unique 5 to leg 1 is a huge jump, that goes for pretty much every set.

>>1770672
Define "fun and satisfying"
Lightbringer is probably one of the easiest class in the entire game with big AoEs and simple mechanics, and reciprocally elven knight is THE hardest class to play in the game with small AoEs and a very high skill ceiling. Dragon knight is kind of in the middle, harder to play than average but does have good AoE and you don't need to be APMjesus to perform.

If you're asking specifically for the upcoming fast lvl encore or whatever event then I would recommend against making a dragon knight, she's refine-based so you'd kind of be "wasting" a free +12 weapon on her (which is extremely valuable gold-wise)

>>1770721
Yes it literally does. Check the damage you get from every set at unique 5 and see the numbers for yourself. It's literally right in front of you so you don't have to lie on the internet. This is why so many beginners or your average joe go for the dragon set.

I was gonna make a seethe post with pic rel but...

>>1770916
i swapped from unique dragon to unique cleansing and got a damage increase thoughever

>>1770921
I made it bros, my first Venus clear

>>1770923
for the same fame, the more higher rarity you have, the more damage the calculator tells you. you can have two sets with the same fame and have like 40% difference due to one set having 1 prim vs the other having all legs. it's been a problem koreans have been saying since the very beginning from first server that some sets are way too fucking shit before hitting leg 1 or epic 1, like magic domain, ethereal orb, cleansing darkness, etc, which they all are pretty strong at prim tier

>>1770932
fun fact, soul fairy has been heavily nerfed from first server, while every other set has pretty much not been touched at all

>>1770925
congo rats

>>1770925
Grats bro.

>>1770921
this happened to me too at 2% i was so mad

>>1770923
Dragon vs Darkness is 29.4% OD and 10% all speed vs 30% CD and some healing. If you're playing a class with a builtin cdr, or 20% cdr on the weapon, you'll be losing damage due to diminishing returns (magic stones come with cdr). Using spectres as the prime example of darkness set user, the main reason why katanas are so bad for spectres is due to this, and that they really want to run the short sword or bludgeons instead. And there's also what >>1770932 said.

Where do I get auras bruvs

>>1770960
i hate this game's cdr calculation so fucking much

I'm like fucking 30% off of beating the DPS check on Venus 1 on Advent with 58k fame, these fame requirements are complete fucking bullshit. I've had some runs where I played my ass off and got her down to 25% (and she bugged and didn't immediately end the run), so MINIMUM I'd need a 33% damage boost, at least 2k extra fame.

Really annoying. I want that aura, and the only feasible way to get it now is to get insanely lucky opening pots starting at a 5/11 chance. And this is all because my main still hasn't dropped a fucking legacy weapon, which would put me halfway there on its own.

>>1770999
What's your cdps? You'd want about 8m for a non-sweaty clear.

>>1770999
2k fame isn't a 33% dmg boost, my dude. venus was designed on continually hitting her, so if you're sitting around even for a couple of seconds doing nothing, you're fucked. just make sure that she's not healing and you're silking her asap as well i guess. even if you get past that, you're gonna get stuck on the 3rd form since that check is tighter

>>1771014
NTA but I'm too fucking lazy to do c3 on my witch even with this so yeah.

>>1770916
What, beginners go with whatever set they pig the hardest, unless the set is really bad for them like the Beyond set on a class with weak awakenings.
(You) should keep in mind cleansing has less raw damage than every other set, but it's the ONLY set with a cooldown reduction stat (serendipity does have the reset gimmick, however). That said, it's not a set for every class and you should consider avoid using cdr fusions while using cleansing.

>>1770999
Fame isn't damage anymore, so it's kind of useless but it works ok for the most part. People have been clearing advent venus with 54k fame so it depends on how buff you are.

>>1771014
Realistically about 5m, I don't care about non-sweaty, I play a ton of action games, but the number is just physically too low to do it unless I magically get 2-3 set upgrades and a legacy tomorrow. The only other way I can make it is to swipe and get maxed out CAT and amps.

>>1771021
>2k fame isn't a 33% dmg boost, my dude.
It's about that where I'm at.

>you're gonna get stuck on the 3rd form since that check is tighter
I've always found that check way easier than the Venus 1 check.

>venus was designed on continually hitting her, so if you're sitting around even for a couple of seconds doing nothing, you're fucked. just make sure that she's not healing and you're silking her asap as well i guess
Thanks for the tips and all but I do know how to play, my uptime is incredible. The numbers are too low, that's all. But no way to fix that unless I'm willing to gamble, and I'm not really willing to gamble.

This might make me quit to be honest, time-gated cosmetics you can only get by being lucky or rich. I've been prepping for this run with full-FP Hells for 2 weeks and got nothing to show for it. My Abyss today dropped two legendaries that would have been upgrades for my set, but weren't even upgrades for the sets they dropped for. Really miserable game.

>>1771047
why do people always vomit out rants before quitting? nobody gives a fuck about your opinions so just quit if you don't like the game, it'll be better for you mentally. 5m is way too fucking low to even try advent so you're out of luck

>>1771052
>why do people always vomit out rants before quitting?
Probably because people quit when they're mad, and ranting is a symptom of being mad?

Man, I wish I could kill you.

>>1771043
Yes but I'm talking about what people AIM for. It's the 2nd most popular set in all of korea, including fresh lv 115's and top rankers.

>>1771052
100 bucks says this poster is a mihoyo shill. They actually do that you know, they pay people to be negative in other communities.

>>1771063
lmao sure go ahead

>>1771064
I guess that's because it's both great for saving on cubes for fresher characters and being one of the strongest sets at the expense of chugging them all for whales.

>>1771067
Nah, I get him, the RNG is dogshit and you have cases like pic related where you somehow get 3 dupes of the same purple shit despise being statistically nigh-impossible. Granted this isn't the worst case scenario (2 uniques and a distinct pot are better than more purple trash), but in order to progress at this shitty game you either have to get newbie luck or have to "bribe" the rng to get better drops, and I vehemently refuse to do the latter.

>>1770960
the built-in weapon cooldown reductions, such as katana's 5% physical cdr, don't affect fixed skills, they only affect % skills

Someone was crying for hours on mega about quitting the game this morning and everybody was shitting on him. Coincidence?

Now that the dust has settled how would you rank C3 Venus compared to C4 Largo and Forest of Awakening Hard?

I'd like to interrupt you gentleman with my alt who's forced into using gold set.

>>1771166
>Spent 10k on the cap in 2 months (holy leviathan)
>claims to have been playing for 20 years yet acts like this is first hell mode cap (why doesn't it give me what I want DOOD I have no primals)
>claims he was "drunk" (sure)
>Was running on like 30 alts
It is a statistical impossibility the guy doesn't have a primal on someone and is likely he is a whale trying to force everyone into Gold and having bitchfit with the game not giving him any Gold primals.

>>1771397
>>claims to have been playing for 20 years yet acts like this is first hell mode cap (why doesn't it give me what I want DOOD I have no primals)
To be fair this one has exceptionally horrid RNG at this point

>>1771405
I feel like the guy is just unlucky but sure. Cap has problems and the fear is Neople isn't going to deliver the solution until it's too late.

You know the equipment simulator doesn't show off the awakening set's proc damage. I wonder how much of the set's bad reputation comes from that. The proc does a lot of damage.

>>1771415
You sure? Looks like it's being counted here.
Even then, people still ignore the proc because getting it to activate is a hassle. You need to burn 15 cubes in 15 seconds within using your 3A so you need to make sure those skills are also off cooldown whenever you use it. However it's within 15 seconds of casting it, you're locked into its animation for a few seconds so realistically it's more like 10 seconds. The fact that it's max 5 cubes per skill count also hurts, if it was unlimited then fbrawler could hit 15 by using her 95 her 80 and her 75 but the 95 is 7 cubes so it wouldn't count the full amount and you'd need a 4th skill.
A big problem the set already has is that the whole game is balanced around everyone bursting along with the sader's awakenings, your awakenings not being synched up to everyone else's is a pretty big deal. You want to use them as often as possible because that's where your damage comes from, but if you use them like that then you're out of position for the big DPS phase and end up losing damage anyway.

>>1771397
Friendly reminder that https://dfgear.xyz/unlucky exists. That faggot had nothing on this and without proof, he's just bullshitting nigger.

>>1771415
Awakening build is bad because ironically, we don't have customs anymore. It just doesn't deal anywhere enough damage for it to be useful. What's worse is that when Nabel is out, you won't have enough time in your dps window to get all 3 awakening skills fired off. That's how fast the game is now.

>>1771497
That also, I think he was an Asura named Enzue?

>>1771166
>>1771397
I wasn't on earlier today but I do remember someone in megaphone chat crying about not getting primevals a few days ago. Was it this Enzo guy?

>>1771412
They aren't going to deliver a solution at all because metrics and social narrative tell them that this cap is a huge success with some minor problems.

>>1771650
Doesn't KR have better gearing mechanics which'll be added soon to us too though

>>1771496
I don't think that number is anywhere near correct. I have no idea what the calculation they're using is. The proc should be placing close to your bread and butter skills in total damage.

I think this cap is great and people who complain about it don't understand DFO
Fix void souls and make account-bound gold to reinforce and it's perfect

How to make this gook grinder more bearable? Make the Armory be shared across characters.

>>1771900
It makes too much sense and won't let them milk the whales for tens of thousands of dollars so they won't do it.

>>1771900
That would be too convenient and much of a good idea, and thus it cannot be done, after all, balance is key, smol multibillion dollar team, pls understand.

>>1771900
They could balance this by saying you can only do rarity -1 of things you haven't unlocked on your character so you get leggos instead of ebins if you had those and nothing if unique is the highest

>>1771900
We literally had this in 100cap and it was terrible

>>1772105
We had the epic fragments system still in and almost no one used it because it was too expensive and you needed like 10-11 drops of an item to craft an item out of the epic dictionary..

Dont forget to use all your event items anons, there's like 10+ hours left

>>1772105
proof that niggers complaining about the state of the game haven't actually played the game through the years. every little "fix" they come up with was something the game already did and was absolutely shit. i'm still appalled by people asking to remove fp

>>1772166
The old dictionary was shite because A: it was just ebins when the current system works on everything and B: It was extremely fucking expensive to a point it was a whale bait system again

p-please buy

>>1772185
>Don't even have anything to sell
Haha...

It is kind of whack that the Venus cosmetics required you to jump through hoops on top of clearing it while the Largo and FoA Hard cosmetics simply required you to clear.
Sure Venus is a lot easier than Largo was but I'd still put it at about the same level as FoA Hard.

Sex with bakal daughters

>>1772256
im sure he wont mind if i catch one

Has anyone listened to that Community Conversation thing yet? The perspectives these guys have are a bit insane. One guy is talking about his "funnel" characters with an "average" funnel character being around 67k fame, more if you really whaled. Then he talks about his alts (not his top 3, like 4th - 7th alt) being in the 52k range. I feel like this is insane. I've had some absurd luck on my characters and my main is only 58k, with my alts in the 48k range. I'm a tunechad so obviously that's contributing to it, but even if I spent every single soul and gold piece I had right now I couldn't get anywhere near 67k fame on my main.

maintenace in six (6) hours and a lot of stuff expiring today. make sure you are ready.

>>1772320
So what are we getting after the new maint, the new events and content better be worth it

>>1772363
https://dfoarchive.blogspot.com/2025/05/exstream-confirmations2.html
New dungeon to grind, some typical "play the game" events, another max level event, doom oracles for 3 characters, new mileage shop stuff and cowboy avatars

hYOOO

>>1772375
I didn't think they could top Dr. Oracle but they're seriously giving out like 1000 oracles from just one event, not counting all the others. What a worthless cap if they need to artificially inject THIS much shit to make it semi playable.

F.Mage gf....

>>1772375
>They know how shit gold farming, void soul gathering and how horrid the """"anti-cheat"""" are
>They straight up say lol who cares for all of them except gold farming which miiiight be """mitigated"""" by events giving you a couple extra thousand
>They even call people liars and faggots about the anti-cheat part despite how rampant the discussions about it are
Fucking hell, kick the director out right now

>>1772788
They should just delete gold from the game at this point but they never will because they're hypocritical money-hungry piggies
The only way they're ever dealing with bots is by removing all systems that bots can abuse which is what all serious games have been doing for years. Nerfing gold/cube income without nerfing the value of gold is a massive "fuck you" to the entire playerbase and it does fuckall against bots, if anything it makes botting even more profitable.

>new get all button doesn't actually get all
epic epIC EPIC

>>1772716
Did you forget that they sold you golden beryls for cash?

So which way do I go through in the new dungeon, does it matter

>>1773231
You want all 3 in the end if you want to open the epic weapon pot. If that's not your goal, then you can just focus on 1 since the rewards are all the same except for the color frags.

>>1773322
>You want all 3 in the end
Wait how do you go through all of them in a single run

>>1773334
You can technically do that you're lucky enough with the rare portals, but you're farming the 3 on separate instances.

So e.Knight is just m.Striker but with big boobs?

>>1773356
yes, so a strict upgrade

>Selectable Epic Distinct Pot for like 8m without discount.
>Fuck it, buy the damn thing.
>It also costs 1800 fucking malefic traces, or about 9m to open it.
>A grand total of 17m just for a single fusion piece.
I feel ripped off...

>>1772783
Just go to the bronx

>>1773356
Eknight looks like an airhead bimbo

>>1773364
E Knight doesnt do cool fighting game moves and isnt she also worse in the current patch

>>1773429
That's pretty good value to be honest. 1800 traces is only like 3 FP bars of Annihilate. 8m gold plus 3 fp bars for a BiS item is really affordable.

Since I promised my guildies how solo ench and muse play, here's me being bad in Venus. Was exceptionally bad with Muse this week.
https://youtu.be/7DU6epSz-94
https://youtu.be/ejD0zi0XyL4

>>1773571
>3 FP bars of Annihilate. 8m gold plus 3 fp bars
you forgot the hosting costs of the annihilates
although maybe you're calling that balanced out by the raw gold drops? idk how it measures

>>1773045
It also opens all of those digming's fur balls instantly too when you mass open them instead of it taking 20-25 seconds for a stack of 100. Simply kino.
>>1773322
nta but I only got 6 fragments and you need like several hundred of each frag to make the materials needed to open the epic weapon pot, is this just a meme and cope? Will it take me months to gather the materials for this?

>>1773675
If you get to the end (7 rooms), they drop the crystals worth 300 frags.

>>1773680
does anything determine this other than pure luck

>>1773687
It's pure luck. There're also rare rooms and rooms that change biomes, and they're all luck related.

I cant even afford getting auras and silver emblems for my characters, fuck

>>1773707
Yeah I don't know why they keep giving us these boost capsules but don't remove the restrictions on them months into the level cap. They have a usable creature-aura-title which you pretty much need now to do content due to how tight the number balancing is and a lot of people have already leveled up the characters they want. It's not like you can easily make money to buy the latest package CAT given how fucked gold farming is now.

>>1773715
you can make more gold than before, and everything is half price than before. stop bitching
>but but
no, get good

>>1773730
More gold than before what? Not before they shit on the ability in early 110 (105 gear level). You can't "git gud" at things that are largely rng like gold jackpots via soul disassembly or other high ticket items dropping. You're just jerking yourself off because you either are lucky or spend an absurd amount of real money on the game.

When did they change it so that you couldn't use life tokens in dungeons? What a retarded, greedy fucking change.

Redpill me on infinite florescence, what's the point of this. Originally I thought you farm its meme set and upgrade it to a legendary set of your choice but then I noticed it upgrades into a random set piece so you can't even guarantee an upgrade. Do you just run it on a character that's missing some legendaries and hope you roll the one you're missing with upgrades? Do you just ignore everything in the shop and buy the epic weapon for an unlucky alt that doesn't have one and then never touch the content again? I'm having trouble seeing who would even want to run this.

>>1773730
Share your secrets with us anon, how are you making a lot of money?

>>1773811
Some select content has had life token limits or restrictions for over a decade. I think in this cap it's just Venus level 2 so far, although Venus level 1 has a 2 token limit per dungeon.
>>1773829
You can get epic weapons selection box once a month (it includes legacies too), epic pots, legendary pots, the meme set from it is decent and can be later converted into uniques and legendaries of normal sets (rng unfortunately). Also it only costs 8 FP per run and most all of the stuff is account bound so you can run it on alts that are strong enough to enter (~35k).

It's much better than some previous cap side cope content like the old Delezie dark dimension content that got removed and memory holed ASAP because of how shit it was.

>>1773811
what are you running? normal dungeons you can coin as much as you want, advanced have a limit that tends to get an increase after some bosses. legions are no coins except for easy mode, and raids have always had a coin cap

>>1773829
1. Void souls
2. Doom oracles
3. Unique souls
are the biggest 3 if you're a high level player. If you're mid level, you'd want the epic weapon/set pots. If you're low, you'd want the unique and leg gears it drops. You will be spending fp on this dungeon with your alts if you have the mats, and are currently not running annihilate. It's extremely useful content.

>>1773829
void souls, unique souls, and free epic pots so you somewhat save that 5m a pop

>>1773811
>>1773856
No, not the dungeon limit. The item itself. You used to be able to use consumable life tokens mid-dungeon to refill your stock if you ran out. It's optimal to keep them in your inventory instead of using them up, because then you get free daily tokens. But apparently not any more.

>>1773879
I think the way it works has always been it will refill up to a maximum of 10, 3 per day, after you've used at least 10, and if you're above 10 then it will refill a max of up to 3 a day if you used up to 3 or more the previous day. In any case they give a lot of free tokens in events and you can get 10 free per month from the guild coin shop.

>>1773957
Yeah but it's still greedy as fuck that I can't use them in dungeons. There is no benevolent explanation for the change.

FYI the epic pot for the new content works the same as the primeval pots: 50% chance to get the shitty non-legacy, and the rest of the 50% are split into each of the legacies themselves so it's like a 10%ish to get what you want.

>>1773979
That'll be 15 epic souls please :^)

Beginner here. How do I farm the new dungeon? I mean, how do I get the entrance item to farm?

>>1773992
you can buy four bracelets weekly from the book in seria's room
otherwise it's just event shit and rare shop spawns

>they are currently giving out FOUR THOUSAND doom oracles per week
Jesus christ what an awful level cap.

>>1774000
new to this game?

Do you open epic pots? Epic souls are a huge cockblock unless you buy them I guess

>>1774011
I don't open any pots and I feel a constant annoyance at the pots I have bought, sitting there in my account safe. 15m gold just gone, in an extremely gold hungry cap. Epic souls especially are too valuable to be spending, you NEED 45 of them minimum on every character who doesn't drop a primeval weapon. You can eventually work your way up to Primeval set no matter how bad your luck is, but you'll never drop a primeval weapon unless you're lucky. A 3-tuned epic is going to be your BiS weapon on the majority of characters. Not even a legacy necessarily.

That's not to say it's a useless mechanic, but my philosophy is that you shouldn't be opening pots or transferring / promoting anything unless there's an urgent reason to do so AND you're going to be able to fully tune the new item the moment you get it AND there's nothing better you could be doing with those souls. Right now, nothing in the game is urgent enough to warrant it. Even if you're stuck doing Venus 1 for the next full month, you'll only end up behind by like one Epic fusion.

>do tod + azure + 3 runs of 60fp premium hell + all dod and dailies AND arad pass fp pot on main
>0 ebin or progress, only 1 dupe leg from premium hell
>very first daily run on first trash alt daily slave
>get cleansing epic that would have been an upgrade on main
I hate this game

>>1774011
I buy them every single time I see them but I've only opened a couple to hit epic 1 so far. I'm saving the rest for characters that actually get primevals they want so they can finish the right set.
Even if I were to open them right away as soon as I bought them I'd still be gaining epic souls faster than I'm spending them.
Legendary pots are the ones I stopped buying entirely.

>>1774011
I've bought every single epic and legendary pots I've come across. 0 regrets even if I'm poor.

>>1774173
This but it was a fucking prim fro a daily for a different set
Speaking of, is the valkyrie set shit

>>1774277
Gold is one thing but how do you fund the ebin souls? Tuning is eating up all my shit.

>>1774291
It's more than good enough, honestly every set is fine except for the garbage awakening set which is obviously the only set I got a prim of on main

>>1774291
For me it's spending 3 weeks on daily hells on my main and only dropping a few legendary set pieces, while literally every other character has dropped a prim. I've had 11 prims on this account, three on one character, zero on my main.

Are prims even such massive upgrades outside of weapons that you would go for their sets instead in the first place

>>1774356
Usually yes, you almost always want to build around it. Obviously you always want to equip whatever gives you the most damage/fame, but when you get a prim for a good set you want to work towards that set

>>1774356
Not so strong by themselves, but each one is 50 points higher than an epic tier piece and they're rare as fuck. If you pig one for a good set, you might as well take advantage of it unless the set is way too behind compared to some other one you're using.

>>1774011
I always buy them for my main characters, it greatly increases the chance to get an upgrade despise costing plenty of resources. Of course it's best used when you already got a few epic/prim drops on a good set and plenty of purple/pinks and few legs to make those pots really count.

>>1774291
>is the valkyrie set shit
Not at all, damage isn't as godly as the fatter ones, but it gives you 1-2 iframe skills that can interrupt other skills, really good if your character lacks any outside awakenings.

>>1774296
Gold is one thing but how do you fund the ebin souls? Tuning is eating up all my shit.
Alts, lots of them doing adv. dungeons.

>>1774356
Compared to a Unique, it's basically like having a Epic and a Legendary, only better because it only takes up one slot. Compared to a Legendary, it's like having two Epics in one slot. Generally, I count a prim as being the equivalent of two epics. If I look at my current best set, with four or five epics and two or three legendaries, I probably wouldn't bother building around a set that had one primeval, maybe two legendaries, and the rest uniques. But I'd strongly consider building around a set that had one primeval, one epic (on the left side), two legendaries, and the rest uniques.

The thing about prims is that even if your set points are lower, your growth rate will be much higher because fewer slots are spoken for - i.e. if you get a random legendary drop for your set, it's less likely to be a duplicate. The longer you can naturally grow your set through random drops and tuning, and put off having to promote or transfer, the better. Plus, of course, your ceiling is higher because you have a prim.

My personal ranking is 1 prim = 2 left side epics >= 2 right side epics (most of these aren't best in slot) = 4 legendaries

>>1774296
My main got to primeval tier set with only 3 epic pieces tuned once each. Tuning is not a priority.

the hells event giving you boxes that you have to move to the right character is pretty fucking annoying
i guess i could just send them all to my sader but like, she's not actually who i want to get mad at still not dropping a fucking weapon or any prims for
also needing a third character for them when the weeklies do not provide enough to actually run hells on three characters unless i only do five runs on that one and then it's still fucking annoying to micromanage boxes

>>1774502
I think it's more annoying that you have to save 5 runs per character for the next day.

>use booster capsule on an alt yesterday
>get an epic weapon on it today
DFO encourages alts!

Is Cleansing really that bad?

>>1774584
that alt is seeded and destined to become your new main. your response?

>>1774646
If it wanted to become my new main it would have needed to get a primeval weapon instead.

>>1774589
Cleansing darkness is around 2nd~4th best set in the game in general, depending on your class. Some classes absolutely need to use that set though.

>>1774654
it's more important to get 2/3 accs on a set you want than getting a weapon

>>1774706
I heard it was one of the worst sets, especially in the raid.

>>1774734
https://dfmax.xyz/jobs/%EC%A0%84%EC%B2%B4
click on every class and look at the most used sets on the right

>>1774754
I don't trust Koreans or really the top players of any game.

Guess the class.

>>1774783
then ask your discord trannies

>>1774783
holy fucking cope lmao
>ask for meta set
>ask again for raids
>i don't trust pros

Just hide and ignore the troll. It's the same guy that's continuously ruining the threads.

>>1774813
I am asking you though?

>>1774816
So Cleansing is bad?

>>1774871
As fas as I am being told Cleansing isn't universally bad, it depends on your class.

18.50 clear on solo temple with two coins
fuck you it counts
if i clean up a little i can skip the ball

>>1774803
My first guess is Creator
My second guess is F brawler

>>1774813
NEET catching strays

>had like 3 patches since tuesday
>still not fixed

Sex with Chaos while her god Aten watches

>>1776511
God, why did such a hot design have to be wasted on a really fucking gay and boring gimmick

What's the gear progression for event buffer characters with full distinct gear? Wait until you get leg I for any other set and switch out?

>>1776809
Pretty much. It's actually kind of a trap because the distinct buffer gear isn't good enough to do anything harder than Venus C1 in (and even that, unless younget a good weapon), and because you can't get fusion stones for the distinct gear you're basically stuck unless you found a set you can build around within the free 3000 doom oracles.

>>1775551
clean it up adventurer

>40 hell runs
>1 legendary
>5 unique
>10 rare
>can't run any more hells on that character for 24 hours

>>1776722
>battle summoner
>boring gimmick
???

>>1776874
look at this pig lucker getting legos and boasting about it

>>1776874
3 full fp bars of hells (including 2 abyss that gave me off-set garbage) and 40 daily dungeons
today and yesterday were disgustingly bad I should stop buying runs

>>1777114
I'm pretty sure my main hasn't dropped a usable set piece from Abyss since the very first one dropped an Epic. I've been getting dangerously close to BLE being my main set because all the pieces keep dropping for it. I've gotten more pieces of cleansing from DoD than Abyss, it's insane.

W-where do I buy doom crystals this patch?

>>1777350
what do you mean buy
at the book, same as before

You guys are getting epics and legendaries?????

>>1777773
The cap honestly feels like we're just back in 90 cap again where you're sitting there waiting for the epic pieces of a set to drop. They've just hidden that by pretending that unique and legendary pieces actually matter. In reality, all they've done is stick a 20k fame gap between the start of the cap and the start of the meaningful content in the cap, and filled that with the unique and legendary set effects.

The actual cap starts at Venus, with Nabel coming up, and the actual cap is about assembling epic set pieces just like it ever was with 5/5 and 11/11 and yadda yadda. But they've bought themselves an extra month by tricking us into thinking that the unique and legendary set tiers actually matter for progression.

>>1777913
Venus is 42k, Nabel is 45k. You can do both with just uniques and legendaries. If you want to get higher, work for it.

>>1777913
The easiest difficulty doesn't count. All it gives you is materials that will help you run the higher difficulties.

> If you want to get higher, work for it.
Yeah, that's supposed to be how it works. So why did I have to work a bunch just to get to 45k in the first place? There's nothing of value there.

>>1778261
>>1778239

https://files.catbox.moe/tmcufn.mp4

Upcoming DT skills animation rework, looks kinda sick. Hope they're reworking some of her other skills too.

>>1777913
You can get enough do everything with a mix of epic, leg and unique gear except nabel hard (which literally no one is gonna be doing in global on release because 69k fame entry requirement).
The real cockblock for progression is getting an epic (3-tuned) or a prim weapon, getting to epic 1+ (which should be enough for nabel normal) is actually very easy if you've been running venus long enough you don't need more than 2-3 epic pieces on set (or less if you're like full legs)

>>1778239
It's all RNG though, there's not a lot of actual correlation between how hard you work at it and how geared your characters are now. Some people have enough characters geared to run 12+ character Temple of Death trains and all they did was run dailies, weekly advanced and whatever oracles they got from that on nearly all of those characters plus burned excess FP on normal dungeons some days hoping for extra unique/legendary drops and other people like myself have those characters with the same amount of effort put in since week 1 stuck below 42k. This is the vidya equivalent of just world theory when you know as well as us that it's totally random.

>>1778356
Yes there is variance especially so early on into the cap (we already have 70k fame gods with full prim sets and BiS weapon and whatnot) but as time goes by it will flatten out, this is basic statistics. This phenomenon is intensified by the fact that venus and nabel fusions are designed to make reaching important set landmarks easier.

Take a look at this autistic Korean farmer for instance: https://www.youtube.com/@%EC%95%84%EB%A5%B4%EB%AF%B8%EC%97%98/streams
He plays 20+ elven knights without whaling (I think?) and only playing solo and all his chars are way above 50k fame.

>other people like myself have those characters with the same amount of effort put in since week 1 stuck below 42k.
Either you're lying or said characters are sandbags with no CAT/ava/imprint. Unique 1 with leg weapon is enough for 42k Can't get a leg weapon because giga unlucky? Just tune starting with your purple pieces. Get meme plats to pad fame if you need to.

>>1778375
All of my characters are from previous caps with CAT (not the best but the fame difference is at most 500 fame added up), at least clone but most of them have rare clone with passive platinums and gold or silver emblems etc. I have a unique 3 character with a legendary weapon that is at 41.2k despite having +10 amps on everything but weapon, and my enchantress is 41.5k with an epic legacy weapon and unique 1, wearing the proper passive plats (Puppeteer). My worst off characters are at about 37k with unique 1-3 and no legendary weapon but there's no fucking way I'm spending tens of millions of gold I can't farm on the tuning meme. You're lucky to get a couple hundred thousand on a full fp bar compared to when the 105 cap was new and you could get like ~2m, so that's just not realistic.

I have seen people with characters about 50k-55k with no CAT even equipped though, they're just lucky. Even my best characters I've dumped a lot of event oracles onto are 46, 50k, and 57.5k and my.female crusader at 37k I did 200 DOD runs on this week for the current DOD event, both adv dungeons and the dailies has seen zero upgrades. There's no realistic systems in place to assure you don't get fucked by bad luck and all of the copes cost gorillions of gold you can't even farm anymore.

>>1778420
>there's no fucking way I'm spending tens of millions of gold I can't farm on the tuning meme.
Nigga I'm not telling you to spend millions on tuning, just enough to reach c1 cutline. Your sub 42k fame characters with CAT probably still have rare/unique gear so you can just tune these. I've done it across virtually my entire roster to get into c1/c2 or better advanced dungeons faster.
>inb4 muh residue
you can genuinely get infinite residue right now by buying clues at <300k in the AH because at this price range you get most of your gold back even without the 85 title (not event counting the lucky unique artifacts recipes that net you like 3~4m gold profit each) and for every 1m gold invested you get more than 500kk worth of residues. Don't tell anyone though.

>>1778426
I buy those when the bird sells them but they're not that profitable for me. I just ran 11 and made a little over 1m gold (with the level 85 title equipped), 290 account bound residue and 26 tradable (<200k in auction right now), plus one rare recipe for an item selling for 200k in auction. Not unique, I've literally never seen a unique artifact or recipe drop since they added these artifacts with the castle of the dead themed farm dungeon they later replaced with the casino and now annihilate malefics.

Is Delezie Raid out already in Korea?

>>1778444
No, wont be until the latter half of 2025, likely Q4.

Are culmination weapons (110 cap) still obtainable? It says you can still get them from noblesse code/meister/castle of the dead but I'm not getting any ebins

>>1778444
delezie pre-raid is in august

>>1778542
they are gone forever. all of the "you can obtain" thing is not fixed for the most part for old gears

>>1778375
>but as time goes by it will flatten out, this is basic statistics.
The problem is how bad the ratio is imo. Sure people will get there, but till then get fucked. Access to certain gear like titles and auras are also way more difficult for non event characters nowadays

>>1778674
>The problem is how bad the ratio is imo
It really isn't. It's easier to get into content this patch than it has ever been.
>Access to certain gear like titles and auras are also way more difficult for non event characters nowadays
You're joking right? I'm not sure what you mean by "nowadays", but back in my days it was way harder to get good CATs (let alone BiS stuff) than it is now. Also you often had to wait months if not YEARS for the right package to come out, sometimes your new characters would remain naked for months unless you bought overpriced creature eggs or something. Just take a look at current package, 6m for this creature and 9m for this aura is a good deal. 27m~ for virtually-BiS title is pretty good. Yes gold income is fucked this patch but it's not that bad if you sell your tradeable souls.
And don't even get me started on plats and swap titles, I sold vaga plats for 80m and VB+3 titles for 120m before.

>>1778542
they are but all of the old advanced dungeons had a massive decrease in drop rate and epic boxes were also removed. i still do them sometimes and from my observations an epic drops every 3-4 runs on average. i only have two words for you: good luck.

>>1778749
CAT is fucking awful right now. You can say 25m for a near-bis title is good, but the flipside is that you're paying like 17m minimum for ANY title. There's no entry level, every character needs a 25m investment.

>>1779268
>You can say 25m for a near-bis title is good
New players got 4 (was it 5?) event characters with budget CATs, veterans got 3 and have pick related as an option if they want budget titles instead of BiS (I've already used like 5 btw).
You could argue that new players have to spend money to get CATs on non-event characters but this has almost always been the case, if anything 4-5 event chars within 2-3 months is fucking insane so new players have it better than they ever had.

I didn't play during part 2 of 110 cap so I don't know what you guys are used to now but current package seems godly compared to the slop they used to feed us.

>>1779285
>but this has almost always been the case
i used to be able to buy poverty cat options for like 1-2m each because whales who wanted package tokens had huge useless piles of them

>>1778749
>Yes gold income is fucked this patch but it's not that bad if you sell your tradeable souls.
>Yes it's bad but if you get really lucky it's still only horrible and not the single worst gold cap (it still is if you don't have above average luck)
Fucking retard

unplayers complaining about gold just like every other level cap

>>1779899
Anon what the fuck are you on about we know for a fact that it is way worse than before

>>1779965
stuff is affordable again for the first time in three level caps but that's somehow bad i guess

>>1779969
>stuff is affordable again
No it's not????
>for the first time in three level caps
Did you actually miss the said caps?????
Just tell us if you're paying IRL money or some crap

>>1779974
and other silly things unplayers say
the only people crying about gold are whales that are mad packages don't sell for as much

>>1779899
>>1779975
>Unplayers
Is this a SEAnig posting

>>1779969
Who can afford a mandatory 30M cost per alt right now, are you high?

>>1779993
people who play the game and pick up their gold in dungeons

>>1780005
Post bank

>>1780005
What gold?

>>1780009
I play 20 characters, each one makes about 1 mil a week from just running the dailies and weeklies so that's about 20mil a week from those.
Then I get somewhere between 10mil and 35mil a week from selling the tradeable souls I get from all those runs.
Then I get about 10mil gold a week from running the farming dungeons with the entries I stockpile throughout the week.
Then there's also Venus auction which can give you a nice chunk but it can also give you under 1 million so I don't count it.
This is more money than I was making farming casino expert and the price of everything is crashing on top of that.
Again, kino level cap for people that play the game.

>>1780026
You do not make 1m gold from running the 2 gaze of the malefic dailies + 2 advanced dungeons unless you're luck disassembling and getting tradable crystals, and you are not getting 100-110+ entries PER WEEK of Annihilate the Maleficents unless you are total poopsocking running like 70 characters through normals a day for their entire fp bar and even then I'd doubt it.

>>1780026
>I play 20 characters, each one makes about 1 mil a week from just running the dailies and weeklies so that's about 20mil a week from those.
You do not even get gold for the said things, why are you lying
At best it's like 10k per character per day which is 70k per week for a character on the dailies with like 20k per week for the weeklies, wut
That's also assuming gold or something does actually drop often enough but with that many runs it's bound to
90k-ish is a far cry from a milly and with the way you wrote it this excludes the tradeable souls you get as you do the math on those separately?

>>1780045
>>1780081
Are you wasting all your gold repairing or something? I haven't repaired with gold since the cap started.

>>1780093
im wasting gold refining to +13

>>1780026
>10-35m per week from tradable souls
lmao
I really missed you, pickupyourgoldindungeonsanon.

>>1780093
If you're running 20 characters in dailies and advanced dungeons plus dod, some of them in Venus etc. then yes you're eventually going to have to repair some of them with gold because you don't get enough tickets now that the anniversary event that was giving like 50+ of them per week is gone.

Sex

>>1780575
God I wish event gears and mats actually lasted like a week or two beyond the event

>there's a dfo thread
Wow. I've got a question for you guys that have stuck with the game for so long. The rate that they've been handing out these starter capsules over the last couple months seems pretty high to me, is it usually like this? We're kinda past the anniversary now, but there's still always been at least 1 capsule available somewhere, sometimes even multiple at the same time. I'm wondering if I should expect this constant flow of them to keep going or if history has shown that it'll taper off now until Chimera and Paramedic release?

>>1781615
the 110 skip cap is a new thing, and we have like a total of 4 or 5 or something in quick succession, i lost count. korea hasn't gotten another one after the ones we just got

>>1781647
Oh I thought they had stuff like this before, alright.
>korea hasn't gotten another one after the ones we just got
I see, guess that would've been the better thing to ask if I had thought about it. So I shouldn't expect another for awhile probably. RIP trying out more characters.

>>1781647
I thought they didnt release characters without some massive leveling events at least

>>1781703
They'll probably get some in a couple days, right now I think the characters are on the test server.

For cleansing set, which mode are you supposed to use? Cleansing or corruption

>>1781819
Depends on class iirc

>>1781819
always corruption

>>1744732 (OP)
I wanna get into this game. What's the "gotcha" anti-f2p mechanic in this game?
> locked inventory slots?
> locked character slots?
> ??

The only point of these games is to hoard stuff, and see numbers going up.

>>1782000
In the current level cap it's "being able to do current content" unless you have godly luck or whale it up because drop rates are so bad. There's also a lot of character power locked behind someone paying real money for packages and other virtual item sales that double or more a character's power. Theoretically you can buy most of this stuff with ingame currency from someone else but the ability to generate ingame currency is pretty bad and has been for nearly 2 years now.

Some retard is butthurt in mega because he didn't get the weapon he wanted from prim pot pretty funny

>>1782094
>Name is Bitter

>>1782094
the guy's been spamming that faggot tits gun "joke" for weeks now. just block him

>>1782000
>> locked inventory slots?
not really, you can buy storage space but you don't need it unless you hoard random shit. The main cockblock is shared storage space but it's more of a convenience thing than anything (unlike PoE where your inventory management is completely scuffed if you don't buy tabs or some shit)
>> locked character slots?
Not really, you start with 20 (I think?) and they give away more slots regularly through events. Definitely the least of your worries as a new player, you probably won't be playing more than a few characters at first.

>What's the "gotcha" anti-f2p mechanic in this game?
Gearing. There are many layers of gearing in this game but essentially:
>pay2fast
whales get to spin the wheel more often on more characters than you do so they get main gear faster
>pay2win
there are cashshop-exclusive (they give some of it away from time to time but very sporadically, don't rely on it) items and they're a you can buy most of it with gold but you won't realistically be able to get the best pieces as f2p. There's also the UNCAPPED reinforce/amplification system which is a literal casino and extremely expensive and obviously favors whales because the only real limit is how much real money you're willing to put into the game

>>1782000
There's something called CAT (Creature Aura Title) which are three cosmetic slots on your character. They're cosmetic but the cash shop ones give fuckhuge damage bonuses to your character, so it's mandatory for every character to have them. The very strongest ones are either cash shop EXCLUSIVES for whales who spend like 300 bucks on that season's package, or they're so expensive they're never going to be affordable for the average player to buy with gold.

They're giving out a lot of free CAT right now but it's all still like 10% weaker than the BiS, there's a huge damage difference per slot.

>>1782645
plat title is going for 55m right now, easily affordable

>>1782768
You're joking but for BiS not that bad at all

>>1782801
It's not horrible for the BiS but non BiS stuff are too expensive and they really want you to have more characters than ever this cap

Friendly reminder to not buy the platinum title unless you're going all in. It's only about 1%~1.5% of your total damage for that premium price tag. Just buy the cheaper normal version, and it's a huge boost.

SIX characters worth of adv dungeons for a weekly event mission

>>1782094
this guy's still going? i saw the spam last night and when i logged in i'm immediately greeted with this lmao

>>1783281
>>1782510

>>1783288
yeah i reported the megaphone chat to get him banned and cucked from playing but i don't think it will work unless like 20 people do it to bring it to attention

So realistically, how many runs do you need to get the ebin wep from the new dung

>>1783747
wildly varies, 2 weeks to 3-4 months on average.

>>1783747
A minimum of 3 runs, one for each true boss, if the stars align and a miracle happens.
About 500+ absurd misfortune runs to farm 3x300 mats for each full crystal as worst case scenario.

>>1783747
so far i have gotten about 20 mats a week
you need, in the worst case, 900 mats
so 45 weeks, if you don't luck any crystals

>>1783747
Don't think of the epic weapon as the goal, but the unique + leg souls you'll be getting, since it's pretty much a gamble to break even or profit.

>>1783747
Got ~15 extra entries (on top of event + weekly 4) and spent 70 mats on gold, pic rel is what I'm sitting on
It can literally take months if you're not lucky and/or don't buy entry boxes with gold

>>1784099
>spent 70 mats on gold
on pots*

>>1784099
Also I don't want to brag but writing this post made me remember I had a bell lying around and good heavens look what I got

so korea did get another 110 jumping capsule for chimera/paramedic release, and another one for their summer event

>>1783969
not him but i am pushing 54k fame and do not have an epic weapon yet
the weapon is very much the goal
please send help

>>1784142
Is the capsule just for those two new classes and if not do they get a special leveling thing

>>1783969
What the fuck do you even do with unique souls

>>1784142
Paramedic is a female buffer, there will absolutely be a fast level/jump event when she's added to Global. It's not even a question.
>>1784182
The boost event they have lets you fast level 3 characters, 1 Chimera / 1 Paramedic / 1 anything below 34k fame. Probably won't be exactly the same when it comes to global. They also have their avatars on sale.
https://df.nexon.com/pg/paramedicchimeracombo

>>1784204
void souls, the most important resource in this entire game this cap and the #1 thing everyone is complaining about that they can't get enough of that the devs had to concede TWICE to increase the amount we can get

>>1784336
Wait why are void souls so important

>>1784256
>Paramedic is a female buffer
we have not ever gotten a male buffer added to the game

>>1784421
Well it is hard to be cooler than M Sader so I understand their reluctance to designing a new male buffer.

>>1784449
He looks and acts like a nun rather than a cool battle priest

I see that the OP says not to use the steam version but I've been away from the game for a long ass time and feel like playing again
did they really never fix the problems and bugs with steam version?

>>1784360
Prim weapon pot, xfer and promoting. Basically the 3 best ways to grad hell on your main(s).
They're hard time-gated, meaning you buy out the shops and you're done for the month.
Because of time-gating t's best to get as many as you can as early as you can. You /have/ to buy out the monthly 100 with silver coins and buy as many as you can with unique souls. Btw you need 1600 unique souls monthly to buy out the shop good luck

>>1784521
There are no plans to improve the issues by playing on Steam nor add any proper Neople/Steam account linking and unlinking support despite all the numerous complaints over the years. That warning to not play on Steam is towards new players because they get banned after playing for an hour. I think it'd be fine to continue with Steam if you have any characters with significant investment or any rare (event) items, that is until the bans start happening again...

I fucking hate how you have to farm DoD entries so hard in the first place as if it had good rates or something
Wow I have to run a full FP bar's worth of normal dungs on practically every single alt as if those dungs drop any good loot or gold too, so much fucking fun

>>1785991
you could always quit

>>1786045
I am thinking about it

>>1786045
the option is pretty fucking appealing right now

Man, I thought Azure Main was going well and was easy till I got hit by the time out during kraken phase
Maybe cutline is a bit too strict

>>1786982
You have to do the gimmicks properly at cutline fame, meaning make kraken hit the bosses before kraken to get the damage bonus and groggy phases. On kraken make sure to hit all of the targets with basic attack (does up to 1% of his hp per) and make kraken hit Crassimor with the green target area so you can get launched into kraken's face so you get the free ~20% damage done by the NPCs who come in and a long groggy, which will let you kill kraken even if he started at full in under 3 minutes by just focusing on dodging when he's active and looping the gimmicks, then unloading on him during the long groggy.

>>1785991
>normal dungs
Don't tell me you fell for the normal dungeon meme, it was already inefficient garbage when we still had dr oracle and now it's even worse.
Instead of wasting your time on normal dungeons go play alts instead.

It's not wonder you retards keep bitching about this cap when you're this lost.

>>1786982
My cutline takes about 11 minutes. Just gotta know what you're doing.

>>1787839
>Go to alt
>Do dailies
Can't even run DoD because oracle gain is nonexistent on alts
>Switch to another alt with nothing gained but 2 rare souls at best
Am I missing something

>>1788277
his trick is having 80 alts so by the time you're done with all your dailies you don't want to play anymore for the day

>run over 7000 DoDs never seeing blue
>finally see blue
>next character was spit
pain...

>>1788277
Alright I'll break it down for you because you seem mentally impaired:
>do your 20 dailies (~40mins to 1hour per day depending on your current account progress)
>run advanced dungeons on whoever you like (~30 minutes per char per week if you're close to cutline, less for white cloud + solidaris slaves)
>run venus c1/c2 on all your 42k+ fame chars (~15 minutes per char per week if you're close to cutline)
>run mu normal on everyone (~5 mins per char per week)
>run DoD whenever you feel like it (~10 mins per char per week on alts, 10mins per day on main or whoever you funnel); contrary your filthy lies you get about 1 full fp worth of DoDs per alt per week, more if they run dailies + high fame weeklies, less otherwise
>run clues + infinite florescence whenever, maybe asrahan library for clear cubes and forgotten light on alts if you're pushing it

If you run normal dungeons and not play 20 alts go make more alts right now. If you already play 20 characters go make white cloud + solidaris slaves. If you already have 20 white cloud + solidaris slaves and all your other characters are either done with weeklies or fame gated then go get a life you dumbass.
It's insane that I have to spell it out for you, what the game wants you to do is extremely obvious.

Nice try Neople but I will never play more than one character.

>>1787567
>>1788031
Oh I get how it's supposed to work, I just wasn't expecting it to be actually tight after how low damage the early bosses dealth and how their health pools weren't that big either, compared for example Venus or Moon Lake at cutline.

>>1789651
>most
korea loves this cap thoughever
global is like 1% of the playerbase

>>1789675
It was just a meme don't think about it too much, I also love this cap

>>1789651
give me more boosts and I'll make more alts

>>1789651
i look like this and say this

So for Memories of Triumph, what am I supposed to use the materials on, the ebin pot?

>>1791013
it's recommended to get doom oracles unless you really want to spend all that mat for 1 epic soul

>>1788456
The reason why you want void souls. I wish we get fast tracked on the extra void soul patches korea got.

I don't think we were expecting anything but damn the ex stream was ass and sad
Speaking of changes, when's the VP changes hitting global

>>1793096
kdnf just got vp so two more months. sometimes certain things get fast tracked earlier but i highly doubt they will bring vp this early to help with nabel raid on the 24th

Is there a website where I can check top players's talisman?

>>1793326
>Rankings
DFO.GG: https://dfo.gg/rankings

>>1789651
more like

>>1795398
Unironically yes

>>1795398
Sex

>>1795398
melionabros...

>>1795821
i did not know she had art. i need to look in those galleries for untagged monsters

>>1795821
weak to being held

>>1795744
this yapper needs a correction

>>1793590
I thought this bitch was dead.

>>1796394
way to go puisstrife!

>>1788498
Beginner with dumb questions here.
>why exactly should I do 20 dailies?
>what is mu?
>what is clues?

>>1796923
>why exactly should I do 20 dailies?
You don't need to do all 20, but 20 is the max and it's VERY beneficial so doing as many as you can is good and every one you miss out on is a loss.
>what is mu?
Past raid. Check the raid channel. You still get current cap stuff (doom oracles and cards) in there.
>what is clues?
Malefic Clues. Search it up on auction house and read what it says. It's this cap's gold dungeon entry that is extremely worth it to buy from Bannibou and just ok if you buy on AH.

>>1796923
>>why exactly should I do 20 dailies?
20 is the limit of how many characters can do daily missions. what's special about this is up to 20 characters have access to "gaze of the maleficents" dungeons via limited daily mission which are essentially 2 free disciple of doom runs. obviously, having more characters also maximizes merchant guild silver coin gains.

>>what is mu?
mu raid, currently the highest level raid. we will fight her original form nabel in the new raid soon on the 24th. upon clearing mu raid 80 doom oracles (160 on hard) are granted on top of standard raid rewards and auction (literally free gold). mu raid is only open on thursday through sunday.

>>what is clues?
after clearing a dungeon there's a chance bannibou will show up. he may have malefic clues in his inventory for around 100k. these clues can be used to enter "annihilate the maleficents" the premium gold farming dungeon. you can get a lot of gold and resources here. in particular, malefic residues which can be subsituted as gold for just about everything in this cap such as repair tickets, inherit costs, armory crafting/converting costs, tuning, promoting, etc. each residue is worth 5k. you can also sell the clues to other players if you wish but i recommend to just use them. always buy malefic clues when bannibou shows up, no matter what you do with them you will always make profit.

>>1797132
>>1797143
Thank you.

>>1798760
>>1798760
>>1798760