Thigh Inquisitor Whitemane Edition
>Latest live update
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24205005/heroes-of-the-storm-live-patch-notes-may-15-2025
Should Probius be reworked into a Support?
>decrease his damage a touch
>make pylons give a damage buff to all allies in the area by default
>swap out a couple of his offensive talents in favor of supportive talents
Boom, one more Support for the roster and Probius could be made more viable without making him annoying to play against.
probius should spawn mineral patches all over the map that he can mine for xp. no abilities, just auto attacks.
>>1776898>>make pylons give a damage buff to all allies in the area by defaultNo one actually likes that kind of "support" because it 1. is static and 2. requires setup
Same reason no one ever fucking stays in Hammer's gigantic range but insists on fighting 4v5 outside of it
>>1776898>reworked into a Supportthey need to break the rules more with Probe, his current ranged assassin role sucks
it'd be cool if they fully committed to him being a builder and could create minor structures like minion production factories, shield generators for towers and forts, etc.
make him more Starcraft-y
end of the brawl = end of season? it says 14 hours left
>>1776980He should definetly be anything except a ranged assassin. We have way too many and if there's one hero in the game who can be said to not make sense it's having a builder unit being a ranged damage dealer. Support or even some kind of weird healer makes so much more sense.
finished the season with over 50% wr so that's progress
>>1777942Man there's guys with 10 year old accounts that never placed higher than like gold 5 with a 49% win rate across 4k games. I would say you're doing pretty good lol
>>1777956>noooooo you must get on LE GRIND and IMPROOOOVE and CARRY FIVE OTHER RETARDS IN THIS ANONYMOUS SHARED-WEALTH OBJECTIVE BASED TEAM GAME>how dare you be content playing with others at your skill levelFACT: Bronze today is equivalent to Gold in 2019. Bronze is the default now.
FACT: Gold in 2019 was equivalent to Master in 2015. Anyone who played early could nab a Master and then display that on their profile forever despite being terrible by 2019 standards and braindead by 2025 standards.
FACT: Everyone who holds a high rank now was grandfathered in.
I play ranked because it's fun to play with stakes instead of endless ARAMing simple as everything else is cope
>>1778242sub 50% wr spotted
>>1778242It's true that the overall skill floor raises significantly over time, and an average player going back in time will be an excellent one because so much about the game has been learned.
But the grandfathered thing is absolutely fucking retarded and you're a retard for saying it.
The reason people get better over time is someone finds something out at a high rank and then it disseminates downwards. It's more about knowledge than actual skill. A random diamond player in Starcraft could go win a decade old world championship easily--even though his micro would be shit and timing way sloppier than his opponents, his builds and knowledge of specific techniques like kinds of harassment is so much better it doesn't matter.
But if you take whoever was world champ from that time and teleport them into the future, they'd be gold or something. The difference is because they're amazing players, they can just learn the cumulative knowledge and will quickly rank up to GM in a matter of months at the most. Meanwhile a bronze player back then will remain bronze now because they refuse to learn at all. If they were learning and understanding what's happening, they wouldn't be bronze.
>20 murky with slime build is 350 base dps against heroes if full AA uptime
balanced fish
can't wait to go 1-9 in the new heroic brawl because people pick heroes with zero zerg clear or self sustain
>>1778242Cope and seethe you fucking retard. Reddit is back that way
Heroic Deadman's Stand is this month's (full month this time!) Brawl.
>>1778393JUST PICK
ARTANIS
EXTERMINATOR RAYNOR
AA VALLA
TASSADAR
ZARYA
ITS NOT COMPLICATED
Imagine being Sally's pussy eating slave....
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>>1778761tits2big she's not Alex
>>1778813This. Bring em down to some nice Cs and lose that stupid looking white pubic hair.
HotS is 10 years old! That's as old as Li Li I believe!
>HotS things that make you HAPPY
>HotS things that make you ANGRY
>>1779067>>HotS things that make you HAPPYwhen someone accepts an honorable 1v1 and I win with a sliver of hp
>>HotS things that make you ANGRY2.0 KDA rat players who just suicide on keeps/core and that's their entire playstyle
>>1779067>erping with zagara as abathur during the match (i use the cute zagara spray and then dance on it, a surprising amount of zags are very responsive to this)>pressing Z more than once as abathur which, for some fucking reason, interrupts the first Z and puts it on a 10s cooldown after nothing happens
it's tradition to troll the first ranked game of the season
>>1779067>>HotS things that make you HAPPYRolling "Win 3 games" or "Play 8 games" as quests
>>HotS things that make you ANGRYPlayers who AFK for longer than half a minute total and don't apologise or explain themselves.
>>1779355>Players who AFK for longer than half a minute total and don't apologise or explain themselves.real life happens
it'd actually make me angrier if they explained they had a call or baby shat its pants
>>1779361>real life happensYeah, so let your team know instead of leaving them to wonder if you genuinely had a real-life happening or if you just don't care enough to actually play.
>it'd actually make me angrier if they explained they had a call or baby shat its pantsWhy? For me, it calms me down pretty much instantly if they do, because it shows that it's not a lack of commitment to a match that caused their AFKness.
Is qm bugged I legit can't find a game 5min +?
>>1779442Leave queue and rejoin. Sometimes it just shits the bed
>>1779355>>1779361>Players who AFK for longer than half a minute total and don't apologise or explain themselves.i just afk and put them on my shitlist
if you have real life stuff to take care of, don't make it everyone else's problem by queueing
>>1778287Seeing Murky on either team is a lot like seeing Cho'gall on either team, just less so because there's less issue about losing/winning on draft but it's still gay. Can't believe they fucked over my beloved tass/hammer combo to make a man a living turret but the ratfish gets to remain a ratfish for all time.
>>1776891 (OP)ANOTHER LIVE PATCH WHAT IS GOING ON
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24206703/heroes-of-the-storm-live-patch-notes-june-2-2025
>>1779906OH WELL ITS JUST FIXING SOME ALT+CAST ABILITIES AND A SHITTY SKIN FOR THRALL IT GOT EXCITED FOR A SECOND
fr why is the skin so zugged
don't forget to log in and get you free 10y anniversary portrait
bruh
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>no 10 year banner added
>we get blender tutorial thrall
>>1780308saddest birthday ever
I see the janny is trying his hand at making skins now lmao
>>1780552I think it said somewhere that it was an old skin that was never released or something. Either way I've yet to see it in a match so who knows. The completely different artstyle is kind of old school blizzard though.
why is Alarak even pickable in the pve brawl
yeah sure let me play the anti-hero specialist who does -50% damage against the billions of zerg
>>1780941All his abilities are AoE and he can farm some quests off heroes, he's an okay choice.
hogger Q is literally a better yrel W wtf
>>1781806>shorter knock back range>only stuns if you hit terrain>twice the cooldown>far worse supporting talents >better
memri
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forgot I had this
bronze 5s with thousands of games and 45% wr fascinate me
who are they in real life, how is it possible to be this bad at the game, is there still fun to be found in their world
they have fun playing whether they win or lose
>>1782090My account is 10 years old and my highest rank is gold 1, because I've only done ranked placements twice during all this time (both times I did it with friends and both times they got placed low silver/bronze despite doing all placements together. Also both times they got mad and quit playing). 99% of my games are in quick meme
>>1782839didn't ask about your life but okay
>>1782090If some people have >50% winrate, some people have to have <50% winrate. That's just math.
Do people really play this brawl three times for the chest?
I got bored halfway through the first time, but the short queue time leads me to believe people enjoy it.
>>1782966I enjoy the pve aspect and it's 15 mn like a brawl
>>1782839pretty sure your hidden qm MMR seeds into your storm league. It's either that or unranked draft. I used to play a lot of unranked/qm and a few years ago tried SL for the first time and got placed in mid plat and easily worked my way into diamond
>>1783001they changed that years ago, now you can only place like silver 1 top
I just came back to the game started years and am wondering if it's making a comeback.
>59 posts in 5 days when total war Warhammer gets a full thread a day
Looks like no.
>>1783170>/twg/ mentionedHero of the Storm for this feel?
>>1783170dead game dead thread
I still enjoy it because no other moba has heroes like zag and aba
>>1776891 (OP)Imagine if Whitemane was a loli hhhnngg....
first game I unmuted chat out of curiosity and my varian and anduin were erping some gay ass warcraft shit
Back to the game after 6+years, I just played my first qm matches with Mei after trying her in ai for one.
Why is this hero so overtuned? I mean, I know why...
But is this just a qm thing? How does one hero have an AOE slow, stun, blind, displace, dash, shield, self heal (all in basic kit), structure disable with level 7 talent, and level 20 any death shield that doesn't share cd with trait? They really want you to buy the fat ugly chick, huh?
It's so gross. Please tell me she sucks at higher levels.
>>1783763Yeah she's pretty mid.
>abilities are somewhat easy to avoid>escape and engage is same button (lots of tanks like this but it always makes them easier to fuck up playing and to shut down)>main form of sustain makes her vulnerable to every ability in the gameLike she can be really obnoxious but she's overshadowed by other tanks most of the time.
>>1783763Believe me or not, she's actually one of the weaker tanks and one of the hardest to play well, but that's to be expected from a "ranged" tank anyway
Probably my best 25-game stretch on a smurf, ever. My advice to silver players would be to just pick macro heroes and play the map.
>>1783780>>1783784Well this is quick match and I'm playing with my wife who only started using keyboard commands yesterday so the MMR is pretty low. I guess I'll abuse her kit until the MMR catches up.
What about mal gayness? He seems pretty mid, but maybe I'm playing him wrong.
I'm mostly maxing chests and trying to get everyone to level 10 and I'll have at least 60k gold to buy heros if I'm not bored by then.
Oh yeah. One more thing. First chest with Mei I got 2 legendary items including the MLP mount. Cohencidence?
>>1783827I'm not very good on malganis and he's quite divisive. Depending on who you ask he's either completely broken, or dumpster tier. He has a really high winrate at high tiers and when you're on the receiving end of a good one it's fucking oppressive as hell. But when you see a bad one he might as well not exist.
>>1783763Mei is basically just a damage check. If you have even one competent dps, Mei will melt in any fight she has to actually stick around for more than 10 seconds. She has a lot of debuffs but no damage herself and is weak to cc.
She's more like a win-harder hero. She's not going to solo carry or change the tides of a game where she has disadvantage.
fairly sure at least 2% of ragnaros' win rate is due to how obnoxiously loud his voice lines are that has to tilt the enemy
>>1783827>"my wife"dial back on the chuddisms and settle down, incel
>>1784134Lol, it's actually getting annoying. Her low MMR got us some easy wins and now we keep getting stomped by premades.
I can't just play who I want now because I have to carry and I'm not even good.
>>1783827I think in shitter MMR, it's less about which heroes are "good" or "bad" because you're shitters and you're playing them wrong anyway. It's more about which heroes have the less variance and are the most likely to have an impact on the game. So for example Malganis is a very feast or famine hero, he can either dominate or be useless because of one CC hero on the enemy team who's smart enough to wait to press their CC button. ETC and Joh on the other hand are "always good" tanks that have value no matter what. Look for reliable heroes that can't really be countered, not OP ones.
>>178404799% of rag wins are because he stalled the game long enough with lava wave for his team to get a lucky wipe late game to core. the other 1% were when he contributed to winning the team fight himself
>>1784279That's me. I'm that entire 1%
>>1784279This was my longest game when I played 6 years ago. Braxis hold out, lvl 28.
>>1784245I just did my placement matches and went 1/3. My first game was insanely hard, no one dying for a while and eventually our naz got tilted. My second game the tank left because of hammer pick. Third game I totally dominated but rags got MVP from spamming lava wave.
Yo janitor mind telling me what the hell you were thinking?
>>1784307They weren't selling enough of him?
>>1784322They need to fuck off. Instead of playing my nice niche hero and being happy I'm now endlessly competing with other retards who think they're good on him, or he's getting banned, or some dumb faggot is freaking out cuz I'm not tanking cuz that's all they think he's good for. Reverse all changes and give me back my main.
>>1784364That sucks. I really hate what they did to Chen (since I played him years ago) because I'm used to breath of fire and drunken haze being separate abilities since April 2003 or whatever.
Also it's alcohol, tea isn't flammable. And Tychus smokes goddamit! This is a game about literally shooting and stabbing people for fun but we have to protect the children? What the fuck is that?
>>1782025Did the cute male support fag stop when we got Andy or did he keep bitching until the death of /hotsg/?
>>1784547I think she's a difficult healer to "get it" and needs tons of experience
1. you heal mainly by dealing damage, kinda like a Tyrande, which is inherently risky for a healer
2. you need to apply your trait with Q, kinda like a Malfurion, but it only lasts 8s
3. you have a trait that gives you -armor but +spell power (healing and damage) but it's tricky to know when to use it
4. your abilities cost no mana except Q, which is ramping fast if you use it in succession quickly, so it's not as simple as with the majority of heroes who can just glance and tell if they have enough mana
5. you are near unkillable in the right circumstances, but that also means you kinda need to bait people which is a fine line between being effective and feeding
I'd say the most reliable and effective build is W, at 16 you deal 220 damage (= 220 healing) per sec while debuffing two heroes for -50% damage which means you can completely swing a fight with a basic ability
Pity the Frail
Q
Cleanse
Either ult but Divine Reckoning is usually better
W
W
Either ult upgrade or Purge the Wicked
>>1784547>>1784553W is the meta build like this guy advised and it is strong. But I think it's main reason for being popular is that it is also easier. For me I go E build most of the time.
Righteous flame
Unwavering faith
Essentially personal choice but I like Saintly Greatstaff most of the time
Scarlet Aegis
Lashing out
Radiance
Ult upgrade or purge
This build will give you way more damage and way more total healing numbers as a result. However you need to practice landing your E and maxxing your auto. The biggest change in gameplay is that you aren't relying on W for healing. Instead using that cooldown on Clemency to apply Zeal and saving Q's for when you need burst or to shift focus. By not using W you're more mobile and harder to predict. Aegis also is insane anti burst and is mostly used to save yourself when you get dived.
So it looks like
>put zeal on tank >put clemency on someone else >spam E and autos while moving around a lot >keep zeal up but manage mana>pop aegis if you get dived or there's a big ability >once you use aegis now pop Q on anyone that didn't get hit by it which will refresh their durations and put a burst heal out due to 16Between your 1 second E and super empowered autos you will be deleting fuckers left and right while putting out the highest healing numbers in the game. It's disgusting, you just have to practice and get good with her abilities to make it work.
>>1784642I was doing some quick math just to compare
Numbers at level 1 just for simplicity
W
>50 damage a second for 3 secondsAuto attack
>62 damage a secondSo right away with no buffs your autos do more healing than W does and you don't need to channel for 3! seconds to do it.
Assuming 3 people have Zeal and you have AS buff from E autos
>62*0.6=99>AS is 1.17*.04=1.64>99*1.64= 162So your AA DPS is now more than triple Inquisitions damage.
>>1784655Correction: AA DPS at one is 73 not 62
>>1784547>mark allies>pump damage>be manlyarguably one of the easiest healers
>>1784675>t. guy who is shit at whitemane
>>1784655The AA build is really attractive in QM/ARAM due to common lack of competent front line and the ability to increase the duration of your Q.
It's not as disgusting post-16 as W build but it's a viable set up.
I'm the guy who just came back after 6 years or so. I got whitemane or of a chest just before they made everyone free for two weeks so I'm deliberately not playing her so I can level her later.
I'm thinking this is probably stupid and I should just play who I want.
The irony is that if I can go back to work I can just afford to buy everyone, but then I'll have no time to play so it will be a waste of money...
>>1784763>I'm thinking this is probably stupidIt isn't. Using free rotations to level up characters you do not own is smart.
fun fact of the day
Auriel's whip with Repeated Offense knocks back 7.8125 distance
>>1786033>0,0125 units longer than a tower's fire rangebased
I'm working out who to buy when the free weeks are over.
I've mostly figured it out but have a couple questions.
How is Alex played as you get out of bronze/silver? I'm owning with her in qm, but I think it's because of my opponents letting me spam flame. I'm using globe build.
Is Andy as good as he seems? I haven't had time to figure him out yet.
Can blaze main tank?
>>1786474Alex is niche, too many heroes and non-bronze players will target your AIM HERE PLEASE circle, but if you become good with her then it's acceptable on some maps (Infernal Shrines) where you can secure the obj with dragon, don't go E build unless you're griefing
Anduin is okay, he's a "never bad" support that's easy to play and trait gets immense value against something like a Garrosh or Stitches
No
>>1786474Blaze can main tank just as well he bruises.
I think the meta build for Alex is mostly flames so you can dragon spam but I like globe build myself
Andy is ok. His main gimmicks is his pull, and lighbomb is OP if you have certain heroes like genji or muradin. But he doesn't have particularly high sheer out put, is easily dived and power word salvation is a trap in anything above gold as you'll just get interrupted and potentially your entire team killed if they were huddled under it.
>>1786483I'm what world can't blaze main tank, what the fuck is wrong with you people
>>1786503engage is telegraphed and slow (compare to ETC's Q)
easily bodyblocked (deal breaker for a tank)
self sustain is clunky (need to W+Q+stand in the flames)
bunker is "selfish" and essentially works as a self-cleanse that can help some heroes but is virtually useless for backliners
are you in silver?
Thank you.
I have 60k rn and I'm thinking
Stu
Alex
Blaze
Cassie
Deckard
Fenix
I got Whitemane out of a box. I might swap Cassie and Fenix for Gary and maybe Anna or Andy. I'm just so bad at Gary because I keep hitting the wrong button, but I can train it if that.
Also considering Dehaka, but he feels too one trick.
>>1786546>not understanding that his main form of cc is his oil>not able to land Es>thinks bunker is weak, doesn't understand its main use is the free armour it gives and its ability to cleanse multiple times whoa guys, we got a genuine gold in here fucking bow before him
>>1786546>>1786558Your arguments are very educational, ty.
>>1786558"skill issue" is a non-argument, I'd rather have a Johanna or an ETC or a regular tank than a bruiser as a "main tank" and if you disagree you're bronze
no one said bunker is weak, it's legit one of the best survivability ults in the game. it's just selfish, learn2read and you can one day get out of silver
>>1786572just use your common sense and picture a scenario with Joh/ETC/Garrosh as your tank
they can walk/slide to the enemy team, have unstoppable, have engage, have peel, have hard CC
Blaze's idea of "main tanking" is spilling oil (delay) which is soft CC and shit and THEN engage with E which is delayed and slow and will get interrupted
>>1786578>if you disagree your bronze>skill issue is a non argumentLol, lmao. Eat shit faggot
>>1786600no one said "this hero is good if you can hit your telegraphed skillshot" you illiterate monkey, what was said was "this hero is not good at tanking because the nature of telegraphed skillshots means they become predictable"
>>1786599What hard cc does either Garrosh or Joh have outside of an ult? You're one of these "Tyreal isn't a tank" retards aren't ya?
>>1786610>What hard cc does either Garrosh or Joh have outside of an ult?Bronze post of the day I'm not wasting more of my time on this
>>1786606Oh I remember you. You're that "it's all predictable" faggot. Listen dipshit. Every hero is fucking predictable. If you can't tell a garrosh or etc is lining up his abilities or when he's going to go in it's no puzzle why you're shit at the game.
>>1786621>Every hero is fucking predictable. some are more predictable than others, because their abilities are slower and come with delay, hope that helps smoothbrain
>>1786620>stand in minion wave>garrosh becomes useless instantly>oh no a blind and slow, much hard cc, very strongYeah, you're literally bitching about the two most bronze tanks in the game
>>1786630Imperius is currently the highest winrate hero in the game and there is literally nobody more predictable than that. Medivh is the lowest and he's easily one of the least predictable.
>>1786632you fight a lot in minion waves in bronze? that's nice kid
>>1786637I guess in gold people still just walk up to you a lot. I wouldn't know, sorry.
>>1786635Imperius Q isn't slow though! hopefully you understand the difference between slow and fast eventually!
>>1786610>What hard cc does either Garrosh or Joh have outside of an ult?I'd like to know this. Genuinely asking
>>1786666But it's fucking predictable you fucking nonce. Now let's play a game. It's called "make consistent points or fuck off". It has a fairly slow travel speed, only marginally faster than blazes E (if it is at all) . It's only difference is that it has a slower wind up, but it also has a much smaller hit box, but it's also super low priority and if an Imp Q's into Blazes E the Imp will get stunned not the Blaze. In fact this is true with nearly every hero in the game into Imps Q.
>>1786696>>1786689I've seen it both ways. It depends on angle and timing.
>>1786689>It's called "make consistent points or fuck off"pretty funny coming from someone who has to make up irrelevant points to argue, but if we're talking about predictability (which is vague and unquantifiable which is why you brought up for no reason) then Imperius Q is less predictable than a Blaze E! one can be bodyblocked and the other can't! hopefully you learn the value of that in gold!
>>1786754>predictability is vague>brought it up for no reason>"this hero is not good at tanking because the nature of telegraphed skillshots means they become predictable" -youSo clearly you've chosen to fuck off.
>!holy fucking reddit lol
Imperius's impale can go through impassable terrain, while Blaze's charge slides alongside it. The winner is clear.
>>1786780whichever character I am controlling in a given match
>>1786766predictable as a synonym for telegraphed here, you monkey
you can't quantify the predictability of medivh on the other hand because you're talking about the breadth of playstyle, not a fucking skillshot
jesus christ you're one stupid bronzie
>>1786861>I used a word incorrectly so it's your faultMaybe speak English next time Pablo lol.
>it's unpredictable because it can be bodyblocked>no I'm talking about wind up >actually anything telegraphed is predictable and therefore shit Don't tell that to Alarak lol. Stupid cunt I swear
>>1786874Your lack of reading comprehension is not my problem, thirdie
>>it's unpredictable because it can be bodyblockedImperius Q is less predictable because it's less telegraphed! hope that helps!
I'm still not convinced of either side in this argument, please continue.
>>1786907predictable is not synonymous with telegraphed, which isn't synonymous with blockable. Keep trying Pablo, I'm sure you'll figure out how to communicate soon! :)
>>1786923telegraphed means it can be anticipated, like a slow skillshot in a straight line! in other words, it's predictable you stupid monkey!
>>1786938>it's impossible to predict or anticipate things unless it has a windupIt's almost like these are different words with different meanings for a reason :) don't worry, now that I know what you mean I realize you truly are bronze as shit
>yo how did I know garrosh was gonna throw me, there was no telegraphed visualHahaha. Fucking shitter confirmed. I'm through with you lol.
>>1786957it's more difficult to anticipate things that are fast instead of slow and delayed! that's crazy but it's called logic! speed is actually quantifiable unlike your bronze feelings about medivh!
>>1787003>it seems to be trying to communicate
I'll settle the Blaze argument for all the retards:
Yes, he can main tank. However, he is very rarely (if ever) the best choice as a main tank. If a new player is looking to purchase him, it should be with the intention of offlaning.
John Blizzard walks up to you and holds you at a Valla Q with 2025 stacks to make Blaze a good main tank, but a mediocre/bad off-laner, WITHOUT changing him to a point where his hero description
>Blaze is a ranged Tank who specializes in initiating fights and dealing area damage by spreading his flames.
becomes false. How would (You) change him to achieve this goal?
>>1787003You seem to be confusing
>anticipateWith
>react toThe speed of something is completely irrelevant to if you can anticipate it, since you anticipate, or predict, before it even happens. That's literally what the word means. Reaction is what happens after it has begun. An Imperius Q is incredibly easy to predict. If you see him lining up you know it's coming, and if you don't it's because you're stupid. Same with a Garrosh running at you on his mount. However neither gives you much time to react, but this is an entirely different thing. Whereas some abilities can be hard to predict exactly when it will be used like a Diablo Apocalypse, but you have a long time to react to it once it's fired off.
>>1787093no, I'm not confusing the two and I meant what I typed
It's both anticipation and reaction, actually
just because a tank runs at you doesn't mean they're going to fire their ability immediately, and there's immense value in a mounted Garrosh just posturing and threatening to throw you so you have to kind of respect an extra range beyond the range of the ability itself, not to mention Garrosh has multiple combos so it's not as straightforward as "reacting" to one ability when he can switch the order
Blaze E = fixed length + can be bodyblocked + delay = predictable
Imperius Q = variable length + can dash over terrain + fast = less predictable
if you have a body between you and Blaze then you can predict you're never going to get stunned! not the same as "most predictable" Imperius for the bronze anon above!
>>1787133No that guys right. You're retarded
>>1787137no I'm right until proven wrong
>dude you can totally predict Imperius spears more often than a Blaze chargeokay bronzie! I'm sure the Blaze is going to stun me anytime now, with a Misha in his face! I better be prepared to react!
>>1787145>I'm right until proven wrongNot how it works champ
>bronziePost rank
Just played my first qm with Andy. We had a Val leave in the beginning and I had her on follow. We won. I'm watching the replay. They weren't afk or bots. That's how bad qm MMR is rn.
It happened again...
Won with Andy and a bot, but Medhiv carried us
you all have brainrot
Blaze is perfectly fine
>>1788002So is Val, but she's not a main tank either.
>>1787312>>1787767Bots are better than sub plat players, and certain bots are like diamond skill. People don't give them credit but they're VERY good.
>>1788149I agree with the caveat that vs ai they are programmed to not chase you too hard and when you have a leaver it's hard if you have to have make follow ranged.
mecha yrel and mecha valla pilots imply that every hero is a giant or these two are the size of ants
>>1788259Have you seen the size of the minions and forts? The heroes are fucking massive; FFS they're approximately the same size as vehicles like hellbats or ravens
>>1788259Deathwing is size accurate, the rest are giants, pilots are also accurate.
>>1787069>to make Blaze a good main tankII take the Q, I don't want him or any overwatch characters to exist.
The fuck is the point of Chromie when KT and Azmodai exist?
>>1788576>The fuck is the point of an S tier "mage" when 2 B tier mages exist?
>>1788582>tier It's there any set of data to qualify this? The sample set on heros profile for master has chromie and ammo about even. Kt is much lower but a larger sample size.
Also chromie is a lot shittier in the lower ranks., and in qm tlv are the second highest win rate because I guess you have to be good to when try them in qm
>>1788576are you clinically retarded?
kt has nowhere near the range and does delayed damage, his primary purpose is positional disruption
azmo does way less damage until very late in the game, but has great map pressure and siege damage
also he's fat as fuck
chromie is a very skill shot dependent high damage burst mage with a couple of ways to catch out the enemy
>>1788687No it's because literally nobody in QM knows how to fucking soak and TLV will have the team 4 levels ahead inside of 6 minutes.
>>1788576>why do multiple heroes existuhmmmmm...?!?!!
>play Kharazim
>just scream WATCH-AAA and HUUUH-KUUUH all the time
>???
>win
It's that easy
>>1786637Why are you fighting in between lanes?
>>1788576Dumbest Nigger in Thread Award
Am I supposed to double soak top and bottom lanes during the early game if my team is staunchingly running down mid or just push one lane?
>>1789060Soaking top and bottom is impossible try to get them to 4 bot or push
>>1788681my own subjective experience, fuck you
>>1789454this but unironically
tierlists and seasonal pickrates are white room broscience
>>1789060just soak one
you'll lose more experience than you gain by trying to cover both
pressuring the enemy structures will usually break up the fight anyways as people rotate to respond
>Divine Herald Tracer has a custom animation when readying for QM
cute cute cute!!
I just randomly thought of old tyrande owl and got sad
How is this game still going
I've seen at least 2 announcements they were shutting it down over the years lol
>>1790616boomer playerbase won't let it die
>>1790616>I've seen at least 2 announcements they were shutting it down over the years lolThe game was never planned to be shut down. Stopping active development (that was resumed in 2024 to an extent) is not shutting down a game.
How are you supposed to play Anubarak? I'm only leveling him in qm for chests and I tried not going beetle build but kept losing. I lost a mirror to beetle build so I tried it and kept winning. Is it a coincidence and I just had better partners?
>>1790660Beetle build is meta and has been for a long time. His biggest asset as a tank is how his beetles bodyblock all kinds of shit so the more the better. And at later levels they can do respectable healing and damage.
>>1784364Newly returned player here again. I was confused as why this guy is so overtuned and why he's not considered a tank with that sustain.
Turns out he gets his lvl 20 molten armor talent at lvl 1 for free from a bug. The first time I played against him I was suspicious but being new to him I just assumed there was something I didn't know. He can heal off mobs vs a hero when he shouldn't and vs 3 heros he is basically maltheal.
He's free rn but I don't want to learn him with the broken free life steal.
>>1790660See
>>1790663The beetles seem boring/bad because they don't really do anything until level 13 in terms of damage/healing. But they bodyblock fucking everything. Characters like Li Ming are just hamstrung by an Anub because the beetles soak everything.
Once you're 16 they also give him surprisingly high damage when just autoattacking things that aren't moving away.
>>1788576You're right, Chromie is pointless since her big changes, that's why nobody plays her.
>>1790660It's exactly what it says on the tin, he's an anti-mage tank. Cocoon is obviously fantastic to isolate a target, interrupt a key ult, or turn a 5v5 into a 5v4. Either W build or beetle build is correct, depending on enemy comp/map. At 13 he becomes a respectable backdoor menace, and they need to send at least 2 heroes to punish you because otherwise you just unstoppable E away, so it's win-win. Your beetles draw monster aggro so you can spawn a couple and immediately channel Garden/Alterac obj, so use that to your advantage to pressure if both teams play passive macro.
>>1791639I see. I'm getting Gary to ten rn, but I'll try that soon.
>see 100th valeera in quick match
>alt+f4
I'd rather drag my nuts through broken glass than deal with this faggot pubstomping hero in QM. Delete this bitch, she's worthless in ranked and fucking retarded broken in quickmatch.
>>1793119She's been losing in my games, but my MMR is low
>in quick match
you get what you fucking deserve
so let me get this straight, medivh is just a better gul'dan with a self protected and a teleport portal?
>>1793147not even remotely close
>2025
>master chief still hasn't been added
>>1793362>bro we need minecraft heroes bro we need more crossover shit bro
>>1793371Yes, the crossover ASSFAGGOTS game needs more crossover shit.
>>1793119>my teammates sure have been getting ambushed a lot by the Val when traversing between lanes...>BUT THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN TO ME>i can see the Valeera's stealth silhouette, she's right next to our team and ready to attack us at a moments notice! we should probably knock her out of steal->OOH, A GARROSH!!~ COME GIVE ME A HUG, GARR- AOUOGHGAAAHHHHH!!!! (blood and thunder!! they're all mine!!)>ouch! the Valeera jumped me as i was pushing the lane and i barely made it out alive!>...BETTER GO BACK INTO LANE WITH 30% HPshe's only as strong as players are lacking in common sense
>>1793147this is like saying Probius and Kael'thas are the same because they each have an ability in the shape of a circle
>Probius and Kael'thas are the same because they each have a DELAYED ability in the shape of a circle
>>1793362look at the master mecha skins for valla and yrel (dual pistol and gravity hammer respectively)
>>1794264>blocks you are path
>>1793826>this is like saying Probius and Kael'thas are the same because they each have an ability in the shape of a circlefunny you would say that because it's unironically true
>it's another "do nothing wrong but some insecure player starts flaming you in whisper chat" episode
Newly returned player here again. Grinding everybody in 15 days is breaking my sanity. I haven't gotten a hero in about 100 chests. I'm going to be so burnt out from playing shit I'm bad at and don't like that I wonder what's the point.
Also, no one can explain to me why the first sometimes fire lasers and sometimes don't. They didn't do that when I was playing before. I've been asking in chat, but I didn't think the pugs know either (or even notice it.)
I tried looking it up, but it's hard to look up a change that happened like 6 years ago with shitty modern search engines.
Forts. This gay jewgle keyboard won't let me type forts without auto correcting it, but it tried to say fortress.
My brain is fried from a lvl 27 game on alterac where our butcher made the wrong decision ever single time but we won anyway due to Nova duel with everyone else dead.
>>1794787Forts focus fire on you if you damage it's team's heroes. It also has a stacking armour debuff so it can get really deadly really fast. When you notice it's on you you need to leave its range to reset it.
Also stop trying to focus every hero so fast if it's burning out out, Jesus. Just play the game and level up and gain new heroes at a gradual pace.
>>1794800Confused by what you're asking. Forts now prioritize heroes that have damaged allied heroes near the fort, to disincentivize dive as long as there are minions/summons nearby, but it doesn't appear that's what you're asking. Some rare talents/abilities can disable structures entirely, Sylvanas' trait, Arhtas' Sindragosa, or Mei's snowball (talent).
>>1794787>>1794800>>1794935Also, and I think I realize the question. When the fort aggros to you it will put a solid line towards you to let you know. It can be missed sometimes but will appear every few seconds that it's focused.
>>1794963Okay so the solid line isn't separate from the tower shots, it's just an indicator and it aggros you of you attack enemy heros.
What about attacking the fort itself? I feel like I've been trying to kill a fort with my minions present and gotten aggro. Maybe I was splashing a hero.
>>1794928>Don't burn outI'm trying to play the expensive guys with a bonus to ten, but I did everyone vs ai for lvl 1 or so and most to lvl 5. I'm avoiding the ones I own since I can always level them later.
The stupid thing is I probably will be working full time soon after the free period ends and won't have time to play. I'll be able to afford all the heros if I can find work in my field, but it will be a waste as I'll be too busy to bother.
I'm preparing for the contingency of extended unemployment. The distraction keeps me less insane.
read https://heroesofthestorm.fandom.com/wiki/A_Call_For_Help
>>1795132That's what I was looking for. I woke never have guessed that title and google was no help. I stopped playing maybe 2019? Mei wasn't out yet.
>>1795170For future reference, you could've just googled "tower aggro mechanics".
>>1795039Don't do Ai man honestly. It's so tedious and braindead that it hurts. Take a new hero into try mode, spend a couple minutes getting a feel for it and figuring out a talent build and then straight into quick meme. Sure it's retarded but at least it won't just be the same mindless shit every time, and the deep end can be the best place to learn to swim.
>>1795231I only do one of 2 games with a new hero because it's griefing of I didn't.
>Try modeI get a chest for the ai game.
It's moot, I've tried everyone.
>>1795268Keep being retarded then, don't let a guy on his like 9th account tell you the least obnoxious way to do it.
>>1795268You get +50,000 exp for winning a QM game, while AI gives none.
>>1795289>a guy on his like 9th accountthis is not the flex you think it is
>>1795321It's not my fault that the game is full of redditors. Regardless whether you're one of them or not I'm still telling you the best and quickest way to level your shit and get new heroes. You want to be a bitch about it then report me for being toxic.
>>1795383That was someone else, not me, lol.
>redditorFunny that's where your mind goes.
>report me for being toxic>9th accountchecks out
>>1795302>50kxpI know but if I legit don't know what I'm doing I won't get that anyway most likely because my MMR will not reflect my ability and create a loading screen loss.
If a guy I don't plan to play again is almost lvl 10 I'll do an AI game just to knock it out, but otherwise I only use it for heroes I'm so bad with that I don't want to ruin someone's day over.
I got tlv from a chest and I'm probably going to do a few AI games with them before inflicting myself on qm allies. I also really don't like playing Abby and if literally everyone else is level 10+ I'll play him vs ai maybe.
Also I won 3 games yesterday with ai allies.
Also also, it's it considered cheating to play cho with an afk gal? I noticed a few people doing it in qm because ai gal rarely misses.
>>1795772>acts like a redditor>gets upset when he's called one>you deserve to be banned Nah kill yourself. I feel bad for answering any questions you ever asked in this thread lol. Hope you uninstall you faggot
>>1795782>Brings up reddit >Thinks third party is same guy because he doesn't realize how lame he sounds. >Next thought is suicide. pottery
>>1795789>there's not one faggot but twonot the flex you think it is
Ladies stop fighting nobody gives a shit you're smurfing on your 20th account or not
>>1795797>nobody gives a shit>replies
>>1793826yeah, which is what you get in qm. fucking genius over here
there are no legitimate reasons to smurf. the only intention to smurf is founded on deception, and the only outcome is that you ruin games for honest players
>>1795813>seethes at random fourth partylol, lmao. Like fucking clockwork with you redditors
>>1795780>I know but--1% chance to get +50,000 is still > 100% of 0
>Also also, it's it considered cheating to play cho with an afk gal? I noticed a few people doing it in qm because ai gal rarely misses.Yes.
>>1795833fedora wearers have been extinct for a decade, you need to find new reaction images ojisan
this game fucking sucks to learn solo
my main account got banned because of mass reports (this is automated btw) and blizzard trashed my appeal because I wasn't a good goy I mean paying customer, so I stopped caring and started smurfing, the system itself incentivizes that
>>1795838Blame on a combination of picrel and the automated reporting system
>>1795838watch your replays (especially if you lost against a smurf) and identify the error that cost you the game, you don't need a coach but patience
>>1795839fuck around
find out
>>1795955yes, but propagated over the entire playerbase which is why smurfing is so common
>hey Anon, if you got banned 8 times maybe you're the problem
>"fucking kill yourself!"
Comedy gold.
>>1796189>comes to 4chan>bitches about people talking the way they always did before >>1795854 became a thing Maybe reddit is more your speed if you can't handle banter
>>1796221Being a retarded sperg would get you banned from any online game years before 4chan was a thing, retard.
>>1796291>>1796221I miss old pre smartphone generation chat where you could talk like that, not this is the world now. I realized it was over when you couldn't talk to opposing faction in wow. Wc3 functioned with no patch on an at&t server for a decade and you could say lol yourself nigger and no one cared.
But what I really want to address here is the whole
>I regret giving you advicething.
It wasn't good advice. This happens on multiple boards. I've had this happen in /tg/ /ck/ /ic/ etc.
Sorry I didn't think of the exact Google phrase and btw, this is a passing other not my life and google search results reflect that. Just because it came up for (you) doesn't necessarily mean it will for me.
And the whole
>Don't play vs ai everthing is strange, like it's not kosher or something.
Also
>>1795832>1%The chance I play badly and the next game I have with my ally he afk's or starts flame war because I legit sucked (and it's my fault, I knew better) is much higher. Just look at how triggered this guy is
>>1795782. Reddit indeed!
>>1796378>I miss old pre smartphone generation chat where you could talk like thatYou couldn't be more wrong, projecting zoomie. Being mean with the staff would get you banned from a community server faster than you can say "f-fucking redditors". The only place you could behave like a retard is a 4chan server, but that's the "post-smartphone" gen and either way you don't even know the usual lobby name and password.
>>1796386>zoomie>staffRead it again. There was no staff. The server was just up for a decade. I played my first video game in 1979. Stop trying to bully people with your retardation, is embarrassing.
>(annoyed) I'm headed to this incredibly interesting area
Orphea is such a little brat
>>1795854i'm actually really excited for the eventual AI upgrades to automated banning systems
the lobbies are going to be pristine
>>1796437More likely they will be filled with people who game the system to remove competition.
>>1796437yeah, leave it a machine to know who's griefing, the 5-death tank who did everything right and died for their team or the KDA Azmo who just sat 2 screens away and lobbed a Q every 10s
>>1796464The machine thinks my Alex who went globe build and slowed half the team for the entire fight doesn't make the MVP board but the guy who did pve camps is#2.
>>1796458>>1796464that's the glory of AI and machine learning, it only gets better
play nice or don't play at all
>>1796508>It only gets betterAnd you're basing this off of what? Do things like google really seem better? They aren't.
>>1796405>alleged 50+yo>never played on community servers>only talks about blizzard gamesEmbarrassing indeed.
>>1796525guess we'll just have to wait and see :^)
>>1796533I was raising a family and had a full time job. And before that games weren't online. Keep reaching, loser.
we should post hot hots babes instead of comparing dick sizes
Ah yes, the questionably large mons pudenda "girls."
>>1796760Thanks, it's one of my favourites.
>>1796750Why do you have this image saved on your computer?
>>1796775To expel volumes of semen.
>>1796378Jesus. Just fuck off already, this thread has dropped off fucking hard since you got here.
>>1796869>dropped off What the fuck do you even mean by that? There's more interaction since I got here, unless you don't like it, then leave. No one will miss you
>45 min qm prison game
>they have 3 mages so ending is impossible
Would have actually kms if we lost
>>1796905Yeah and all of it is you asking to be spoonfed and bitching about toxicity. It may be more active but the quality has fucking dropped
I have no respect for butcher players
>>1796976I think this is legit an AI
I hear this speech on multiple boards
Or it's a janny
But a janny wouldn't be this retarded.
I only hear (you) complaining.
>>1797061I had one just now charge past a minion wave with 198 meat.
If there's a butcher in the hand I'm always aware of how much meat he has, why aren't they?
>>1797080Or just people getting tired of you bullshit you reddit spacing schizo nigger.
>>1797061>be me>my butcher is laning vs malth on sky temple >go up to gank just as malth tries taking watchtower>ping to kill him >butcher is afk killing minions>1v1 the malth>barely get the kill before he gets to his gate >butcher still blissfully unaware >game goes on and I just assume it's a bot by his gameplay>lose>check his profile and it's his second game back after five yearshe's probably gonna quit again if he keeps having games like that one
>>1797183No, it's (you) that no one wants to hear from
I respect butcher players
it takes skill and individuality to force a bottom tier hero
nobody cares that you're a valla player
Why is Malfurion such shit? Would it break him in higher ranks to make him playable in qm? Unless he can moonfire enemy heroes all he has is a weak heal over time. Can't they give him talents that make him playable solo que and just make them undertuned so it's not abused in ranked? I get it. Innervate is good and the sleep roots are annoying as fuck to okay against. Just a shitty waveclear talent and a instant heal talent like Andy has.
>>1797201>Can't they change the balance of a hero so it caters to my specific needs
Why is Shadowstalk so weak? 380 heal over 10 seconds is nothing, 38 hps isn't going to change a fight or do anything against burst and the stealth is obviously useless even as an ambush option
>>1797233It's it worse than Starfall?
But I agree on her too. I can't believe she's considered a full healer now. But at least she can stun, do damage, and instant heal.
>>1797201>have to press more than one button>cry
>>1797190>(you)Trying too hard redditor
>want to learn Whitemane
>look up Fan's videos because no idea who else plays this game
>his highlight WM game is just him running around with pocket Morales and padding damage
Ah, naruhodo
>>1797261>fanIt's there anyone else besides him and grubby?
>>1797201Malfurion is a 1.66x better Whitemane if you can aim.
10 years later and I'm still upset they didn't bring Baal to the nexus, the three prime evils together would have been unstoppable
>>1797261>>1797266Khaldor still hosts tournaments that are worth watching. Dread streamed on youtube a few times last year which was exciting but he hasn't done any more since then.
>>1797261https://youtu.be/iHvg13qYea8?si=ewoQt2IYOgFHsBua
>>1797261she's not that complicated my guy
>>1799883Nta
You don't understand that difference between simple to understand and the subtleties of high level play and how easily this is learned through a video.
>>1800520i don't understand your word salad
i have no idea how to play this game but for some reason i enjoy just hitting the random hero button and ruining a match for people as i just go do whatever i want
>>1797676Thanks, I will check it out
>>1799883I know what the hero does, I have 57.5% winrate with her, but every game I play it feels like I could've done much more, I feel like I hit my own natural ceiling with her and the only way to go up is to watch somebody who is actually good on her. She rarely shows up on Khaldor's tournament streams, Grubby doesn't play her and Fan's games turned out to be a meme
>>1800669I do wish the random hero select would keep the hero's cosmetic loadout
If you get mpv on the losing team you should not lose elo.
>>1800880MVP is a system that can easily be gamed. Just don't die, top some stats with a macro hero, and participate in teamfights (the definition of an "assist" is very loose). I have 60% mvp rate on a 50% wr account.
>>1800862>I do wish the random hero select would keep the hero's cosmetic loadoutSame. I'd pick random a lot more, instead of never, if I could pick it without it ignoring my loadouts with my waifus as the announcers.
>>1776898If anyone needs a rework its that autistic fish. I think they were intentionally trying to design an annoying character, which would be fine if the game had a larger pool of characters and didnt balance matches based on team roles.
>>1783564Loli with thicc thighs and the same outfit with ass tease.. oh my god..
>>1783802XP in this game is so autistic. Id like them to try a map with no lanes, just camps and fortifications spreadout in a maze-like arena, with 1 "lane" down the middle so rag's wave ult isnt unusable.
The problem with lanes is that XP automatically congregates and rewards roaming too much. Get a couple of dudes running constantly between lanes grabbing the XP and going for ganks and you will win the game every time. Im not sure what other strategy is even comparable. Have the rest of the team getting camps, or soaking XP in lanes that the roamers arent in and GG.
>>1801039Try /ssg/ on /ac/
>>1786483>>1786495It's hard to tell at my MMR in qm, but I'm thinking not Alex. I'm actually way better with Lucio. It feels like Alex's kit is crap. Talents that function at high health, heal removes health. Other heal is a bullseye like anon said. Spamming e is really fun, but I can't justify her for that.
Deckard seems slightly better, but I'm dealing with the "pick up the potion, retards" thing.
Is Stu still meta? I don't see him as much lately, but he tends to win when I do see him.
Rehgar and BW are obviously good.
By the time I get everyone to level 10 I'll be able to buy every hero I want anyway, so this is just who to use in storm league in the meantime.
>>180086257.5% wr sounds like you're doing well
i wouldn't feel discouraged since WM doesn't have a ton of huge playmaking abilities/talents that require big brain strats
>>1801036Murky is fine but he's weird to play
you really have to abuse his kit to the fullest if you want good results
>>1801097Not spoon feeding you anymore. Go figure this shit out yourself.
>>1801294You're not the only person replying. You already said that, no need to say it again. Stop being so insecure you have to keep posting to tell someone you aren't trying to them.
Ladies stop fighting and post Jaina's infertile womb
>>1801080shortstacks are not lolis
>>1801350I'm going to let you know that I've been 95% of the replies you have gotten between the last thread and this one. Anyways good luck :)
Which hero would be the worst dedicated off-laner?
>>1801458Well I know that, but loli don't have thick thighs and some ss are flat.
>>1801534>The last threadI didn't start posting until this one. Stop thinking only one person is triggering you.
>>1801558Malfurion. He has one ability that affects non heros, his trait doesn't affect himself, and his aa is pretty weak.
I guess if you really stacked his tree during first fight he might be not the worst, but then you take the worst lvl 1 talent.
>>1801565Well than I've ben 98% of your replies lol. Stop thinking more than one person has been actively trying to help you.
>>1801601It would have to be a toss up between Morales, Ana, Whitemane. All of them basically can't sustain themselves worth shit, have pbly the worst waveclear in the game, no mobility to escape ganks, and no real kill pressure on their opponents.
>>1801558The answer is absolutely NOT a support, who has self sustain by definition, and often a "damage" build that can trade fairly efficiently. The absolute WORST is Nova: no waveclear, no sustain, no mana, no way to trade. At BEST she can soak a few waves safely because the decoy soaks minion shots but any competent off-laner should take her wall in 2 minutes.
>>1801685>take precision strike/snipe build>bribe talent>worst solo laner in the game>stealth hero can't trade effectively by sniping and running off over and over madness
>>1801640>98%I haven't had 50 replies, and if your math is like that please stop posting. Go get banned so you can start your 10th account.
>>1801718What do you think an off-laner is? Nova's bribe needs level 4, and FIFTY minion kills to bribe an ogre camp. At 7 minions a wave, that's SEVEN waves past level 4. The talent only shines if she is allowed to roam and gank, not sit in a single lane she can't even hold.
>>1801751Also there's a support who has passive self-sustain and bribe at level 1 AND a global: Brightwing
I'm going to be learning and playing Medivh for the first time in QM in around 30min. You have been warned.
>>1801751I never said she was a good solo laner, or even an adequate one. But if you legit think Morales can solo lane better than her you're retarded.
>>1801744It makes me smile to see that the only reply you've gotten so far is me telling you to fuck off
>>1801980I would rather face a Nova than a Morales in a solo lane desu
>>1801654>Moralesshe can stall the lane by healing minions and body tanking, grenade can scatter the push so the towers will chip minions down evenly
>Anayeah Ana would be fucked, bottom 3 for sure
>Whitemaneearly game would suck but she might be able to hold it by tanking the wave and self-healing off of the hero
Lucio would lose the lane long before his infinite sustain could offset his utter lack of damage and waveclear
Abathur could handle the wave somewhat but has zero presence, so there's absolutely nothing stopping the enemy offlaner from steamrolling structures
>>1801685Nova could hold the lane with decoy alone
it wouldn't be pretty but she could hold the fort well into level 10, at which point Precision Strike makes laning obsolete
>>1801894have fun portaling two feet away and losing your 39 stacks #RIPBozo
>>1802005A smart Nova would just sit stealthed behind the wall and use the decoy to freeze the lane and soak without exposing herself. She can also rotate better than morales as well and at least poke her opponent, and get camps by herself even if her bribe is kinda shit.
A morales has shit auto attack, her only damaging ability also spreads the minions out and does little damage, if her opponent clears the minion wave then she has no sustain and she literally cannot take a camp even with infinite time. She can sorta freeze a lane if her opponent is dumb. That's it
I'm not advocating for Nova solo lane, but I've gotten top soak with her many times. You'll never ever manage that with morales no matter what you do
>>1801980I always get the info I want eventually, you'll still be a miserable loser. If I have to ask next thread I will.
>happyDoubt
>>1802210Do you think this place is going to have a sudden influx of new users next thread? No sir. Someone else may answer you, but the lack of it so far tends to prove my point.
>you're a miserable loserWhat exactly are you basing this on other than I'm not behaving exactly the way you want me to?
>>1802502we both know I'm right
>>1802704>you behaved in.a mildly toxic way on an anonymous forum>you must be a miserable piece of shit nobody lovesClassic reddit tier thinking right here. It's funny that this thread lasted for years in its current form and you show up and it instantly goes to shit. Good work retard. Last (you) from me, spend it wisely.
>>1802840>>you behaved in.a mildly toxic way on an anonymous forum>>you must be a miserable piece of shit nobody lovesthis but unironically
going around behaving like an ass for no reason speaks of low intelligence
>>1802993Yes, and it's also the game. And there's calling people niggers and then there's sperging out because someone said he already did his hair vs ai at lvl one so the point is moot.
OMG he's a janny, he deleted the comment agreeing with me
just stop playing your 45% wr level 999 Tracer I beg you you're not going to carry and you're going to make your healer facepalm just play Valla or smth
>>1803032What are you on about now?
>>1802704So right you reported this thread to a janny to ban like 3 of my posts lol? It's amazing that in like 3 years I've never seen a post get deleted from here and
>>1803216the jannies got him
>>1803216How would you know that, janny?
>>1803240How would I know that I've never had any of my own posts deleted before and now I get multiple in a single day, the same day some faggot reddit type starts seething at me and acting like the type of cunt who goes running to the moderator over every little thing? Fuck man, it's a real puzzler
>>1803249Dude you're the janny and you deleted the post that agreed with me. No one could know how many posts I reported in this thread. You are the guy talking shit. You some like every miserable mod. I called you in out and now you're pretending to be the guy who initially got his post deleted. You're pathetic and probably a bad actor for some agenda. Or whatever, but you keep getting called out.
And to make it clear, I didn't report the posts that were deleted. Just the "don't come here" ones.
Pathetic.
>>1803261Nigger like 3 of my posts were deleted lol
>how do you know Cuz I can count you stupid dipshit
>I didn't report the posts, I just reported the postsI fucking knew it. You fucking thin skinned pussy redditor. I didn't report a single one of your fucking posts you stupid new fag, no matter how annoyed I was, but you just couldn't help yourself could you, like I fucking called you out for. Kill yourself and fuck off back to whatever shithole you came from you stupid fucking cunt. Good work killing a general that's being going for a fucking decade. Moron.
>>1803275Ok janny. You deleted the post agreeing with me. The one that didn't get reported. Okay.
>>1803275And even if you aren't lying (you are) it's hilarious you are shitting up the thread (that's still up) and blaming me.
I've never had a reddit account in my life. Where did they touch you? You get banned from there too?
But your the janny so stfu
>>1797249This is the post I reported, it's still up. One of them.
Lying loser janny
>>1803288You stupid nigger, you just admitted to reporting multiple posts in this thread. You fucking lost. You're a fucking reddit janny wannabe and theres no recovering. I'm glad this thread is dead now. Fuck you
>>1803290I thought your post got deleted?
Why you lying, janny?
>>1803289It's also funny to me that you're so new you don't even know that announcing a report is a reportable offence lol. Get banned faggot so we can go back to enjoying hots and not listening to your endless bitching about how toxic I am
How dare you behave like that in a whitemane thread
>>1803297By that logic why haven't all your posts been deleted you dumb nigger?
>>1803299I didn't announce a report, I called out s lying janny.
and I don't give a shit if I get banned, but you care if you get exposed, and you did.
>>1803308Because that would be too obvious
>>1803297You don't belong. I've been here for years and years. I remember the garrosh [embed] guy. I don't recall once seeing a janny come in and delete a bunch of posts until now. Which just so happens to be the same exact thread you show up, and the same exact day you admit to reporting posts in this thread. Not only have you brought the jannies here with your report, but if I was really a janny I would have long ago banned this thread for being a general outside of /vg/. Again you would know this if you had just stopped to think. But no. You got pissy pants and reported some posts you didn't like, and now we all get to fucking live with your thin skin and poor decision making. Shoulda gatekept harder I guess.
>>1803308>I didn't announce a report>This is the post I reportedLol, lmao. Fucking redditors I swear
>>1803315Not reading that and no one else will janny loser. Enjoy your vacation?
>>1803318>gets definitively proven to be incorrect>just so happens to be the one post he doesn't read>enjoy your vacation?How would you know if I had been banned or warned or not? Especially since I haven't stopped posting at any time? You out yourself more with every post.
Imagine if we just went back to discussing Jaina's milkers
>>1803318Like I said before. You already lost when you admitted to having reported multiple posts in this thread. You can cope and seethe all you want but you showed you're even lower than a janny. A fucking rat, a janny wannabe. The lowest form of life on this site. It's over. You can't recover from this no matter how hard you try.
>>1803322Like we have for years straight now? If only we could. It was comfy, before this one retarded newfag found us and it all went to shit.
>>1803324>>1803321No you lost
Keep repeating it, I caught you admitting you know I reported you. You're s low level janny. It totally fits. Your rage is delicious.
>>1803330>I didn't report the posts that were deleted. Just the "don't come here" ones. You moron, you fucking told me you reported me you stupid cunt.
Lol the janny meltdown and samefaging is hilarious!
>>1803333Checked! Kek approved.
>>1803332You admitted that 3 of your posts were reported first. I caught you and you deleted the evidence. Then you said your posts got deleted, but the ones I reported didn't. All your posts are still here. You're a janny without mod powers and your going to get fired over this, lol.
>>1803342I could tell cuz they got deleted you stupid clown.
>not all of them were deletedit's almost like you're too knew to even know how jannies work
>>1803342>>1803344Further you even responded to at least one of my deleted posts so your attempt at gaslighting is even more pathetic in light of that fact.
So, I never got an answer to my question.
>>1803397Oh that's fucking rich isn't it? 30 posts of you accusing me of being the janny later and I'm banned and you aren't. Man it's so fucking amazing how so many hours later we finally have legitimate confirmation who was the tranny janny all along. Fucking reddit cunt. I hope someone you love dies painfully
I feel like weekend MMR is inflated. The quality of games drops in the afternoon and on weekends.
Also, is the order of portraits on the top of the screen related to MMR? I feel like it is.
>>1803431>Also, is the order of portraits on the top of the screen related to MMR?Pure schizo tier belief.
And of course the people without jobs who can play during weekday workhours are better on average than others.
>>1803442Right, but them their MMR should be lower.
>Schizo tierI remember someone saying that order than the loading is in order of MMR with the player excepted, but I don't remember where. Might have been mfpallytime
>>1803445Not too bright, eh?
MMR inflation happens when there are easier games. That happens on the weekends and evening peak times. Thus, weekend MMR is inflated. Players there typically have less skill than those at the same MMR who play during off times.
>>1803455>Not too brightNo, that was my original point. eBay I mean it's it
>shouldbe lower. I'm saying the system is flawed and over weighs new accounts and doesn't take other factors into account. Apm, soak, etc, should be able to distinguish between a smurf and a kid playing on the weekend.
Obviously such a system can be gamed, but not of no one knows.
Maybe the code could be reverse engineered, but that's a risk in willing to take.
>>1803460You're making the fatal mistake every armchair MMR complainer does. It's basic information theory. If you look at the entire game, you have all possible information contained within. If you pick and choose particular aspects, you can only hope to do as well if you simply looked at win/loss. In reality you will necessarily do worse.
Your proposed system will ALWAYS perform worse than taking into account nothing other than win/loss. In fact, looking only at win/loss is the best possible determination you can make.
In terms of gaming the system, it'll be figured out. Consider the MVP formula. We don't know exactly what it is. But over the years it's been pretty well determined that the single biggest factor is not dying. So people can easily game the MVP system and collect MVPs while not actually contributing to winning the game in a meaningful way.
The same WILL happen to any MMR formula. It is inevitable.
>>1803455peak hours = more players = fairer games
These games are not "easier" but they are fairer. There is a nuance. When I'm unlucky enough to play during off-peak hours, I ALWAYS get diamond lobbies (NA) and I'm ALWAYS expected to carry people sometimes 2 full ranks below me. These games are coin-flips that hinge on which team got the biggest feeder and the system overestimates your ability to take over a game as the sole diamond, especially since every won battle is immediately negated by the feeder inting for the 10th time 30 seconds later. I don't think I lost a lot of MMR that way, but it definitely skews the accuracy.
>>1803492That's not exactly true. What skews the accuracy is including people of disparate MMR in the same game. This doesn't have to do with the time you play inherently, and in a 'good' system would never happen.
In HotS it happens if the game decides you've been in queue too long (>5 minutes). Then it widens the window and the game quality decreases. MMR algorithms actually still handle this without issue, it's just that since the uncertainty rapidly increases the number of games you need to overcome this increases past the amount most people actually play.
Basically this has nothing to do with MMR at all, and is a decision knowingly made by Blizzard that they'd rather have you in a game that's known to be unbalanced and unfair than in queue. It is bullshit though, and if I was told beforehand it'd be one of those masters and bronze on the same team games I'd rather just not queue up. I'm sure they have the metrics that show it's better to do overall, but I'd conjecture it disproportionately hurts the higher ranks' enjoyment.
WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS post pictures you fucking nerds
>>1803533>queue timesOf course. That's a big factor
But also, I just realized that the text abuse report system also messes with it. The system tries to not pair you with someone you previously reported or who reported you. This makes matchmaking even more of a cluster fuck as this has nothing to do with skill or gameplay.
>>1803753>The system tries to not pair you with someone you previously reported or who reported you.I don't think that is anything more than a rumour
>>1803753>The system tries to not pair you with someone you previously reported or who reported you.I can tell you from experience, this is objectively false.
why do KTs prefer the cdr instead of the slow on W spread
>>1804789CDR applies per each tick of damage, it's useful even if the enemy team splits.
>>1804789>cooldown reduction applies to ALL basic abilities (basically 3s reduction if you double-cast Living Bomb)>still benefits from non-Heroic targets (creeps, mercs, structures)>slows don't kill things>insane amounts of CDR if you spread to multiple targetsalso the fact that the slow only goes off on explosion is annoying
>>1805091Almost all correct, but slows kill things. A lot more than most people realize.
>>1805135slows PERMIT things to be killed by keeping an enemy locked down, but they don't actually kill things themselves
it's theoretical dps in the grand scheme of things, which isn't necessary for an AoE powerhouse like KT
>free heroes period is over
eh fuck you I'm not buying deathwing for 15k
>>1805931Just roll him from a chest :^)
>>1793362The problem with adding master chief is all the interesting things to do with him are from 343 games. Otherwise he's just fenix with displacement spells.
343 games would put him into killier bruiser space with Thrall and Imperius but as a ranged character he'd have his own niche.
>team is down literally three levels (19 vs 22)
>our offlane has half the xp the enemy's does
>our tank has 8 deaths and starts a fight outside of walls
>clearly it's the dps and healer's fault
I hate duos so much it's unreal
You shouldn't be able to queue with someone who's more than two separations from you; so plat 3 can only queue with other plats but never a diamond or gold
>expanded search
>I'm crown
don't even have to check profiles, this is a 15-minute loss
i am now playing stukov in qm without ever pressing q because i think its funny
>>1807771oh also i bound healing virus to right click and moving to q, idk if that matters
>CHANGE IS UPON US
>never changes, is just soak + Z bitch
>think about playing hots
>remember medivh is still in the game
Maybe next year
>For creatures with such short live spans, you Terrans are so EAGER to die
should have been an Alarak voiceline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTLsKooKdE
Odin big boy
>>1803315>I was really a janny I would have long ago banned this thread for being a general outside of /vg/.nope. Generals are officially banned from /v/, not from the spin-off boards.
>>1803315>I was really a janny I would have long ago banned this thread for being a general outside of /vg/.Nope. Generals are only officially banned from /v/, not from the /v/ spin-off boards.
>>1809079He's in the bottom 15 by pick rate in SL and still in the bottom half in QM.
>>1809389not this again, whitemane autism >>> medivh autism
let's talk about a hero nobody talks about
ana!
If you land every shot, is she the best?
>>1809618>If you land every shotAs any hero? Kel'Thuzad.
As Ana, but just the average/expected accuracy on everyone else? Yeah.
>>1809618No; she's simply too slow and vulnerable
I fucking hate this game sometimes
>>1809684You had macro with azmo + sylv and valeera + aba for kill pressure honestly this looked like an easy win
>the faggot that was trash talking me last match is now in the enemy team
>he's so insecurely terrified of dying by my team (because of me) that he played like a passive cowardly rat
>died at the end anyway and it cost the enemy team the game
feels good man, hope they reported the subhuman as well
>>1809649for some reason I feel very emboldened as ana, she's such an unassuming small granny that it's like people don't see her half the time, and I feel like my teammates are more protective of me. I can be very aggressive and waddle away unpunished
versus alex or someone where it feels like I have a million dollar bounty on my head
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you know what never made sense to me? people complaining about orphea and qhira taking valuable hero spots before the game got canned, Starcraft gave us a fucking medic, a fucking tank, a fucking firebat and a fucking probe (protoss worker)
>>1810342Sometimes it's a panic auto-favorite selection, but there really isn't any excuse for only having 120 stacks at level 20
>>1810344Orphea isn't too bad cuz she's a cute loli and reasonably balanced. Qhira is an obnoxious DEI hero clearly piggybacking off of Wakanda shit, with a schizophrenic lore and theme, and was horrifically unbalanced on launch.
>>1809971We did win it was just a fucking shitshow and sometimes I want to have a nice fun game not a 'ignore the enemy team and bumrush their keeps lmao' """"game""""
>>1810462that IS a game and part of what makes heroes of the storm fun, if you just want pure pvp 24/7 you'd play ARAM
>>1810344>hating orphea>throwing orphea into the same basket with the creatively bankrupt blackrock funds bait we wuz wakanda bitchkys but unironically
>>1810585I don't hate orphea in fact if you read my post there is no implication of that whatsoever
>>1810596hmm you're right, what do i do now?
do i delete my post to save face on an anonymous board?
>>1810600Quote part of his post and post a redditjak, repeat until the other guy gets bored, that way you win every internet discussion.
>>1810607this guy internets
I feel like W valla is so underrated when 95% go for AA or Q, but maybe it stacks too slowly IDK
>>1810761W is too short range imo
AA shits out damage and she has gigamovespeed
Q she's safe and still shits out dmg
W she does decent damage but the coc build on jaina is the same thing but better in every conceivable way since it roots and she passively slows and can catch niggas with ele
>>1810761You generally don't take valla in order to spray out mediocre aoe ability damage. You would just take a proper mage for that.
>playing a lot of orphea lately
>have fairly good q accuracy
>occasionally take final toccata at 20 because the talent is rad as hell
>miss the empowered q every. fucking. time.
I honestly wish it just activated randomly so I wouldn't psyche myself out everytime I use it
>>1810854Take it as a defensive talent and activate it when pursued. Boom, your accuracy rises by 300%.
>>1810344you haven't yet made a point. do you have a point to make?
>>1811052you can't complain about "wasted" hero slots when blizzard spent 4 slots on basic Starcraft units, hots was supposed to be the all stars of Blizzard for people who want to play as the iconic Arthas or Kerrigan or Diablo, etc... not (insert basic bitch unit from brood war)
>>1811060>t. zoomerI would love to ฬถcฬถuฬถmฬถ ฬถiฬถnฬถsฬถiฬถdฬถeฬถ play as the valk pilot.
The basic units of brood war are loved; the game is still being competitively played and has a very good argument as being the best RTS in the current year. They ARE the all-stars. They just didn't repeat basic units that were already heroes, such as Artanis (zealot) or Raynor (marine).
>>1811060That stopped being the case when they added Tracer before OW even came out.
Siege tank is only a miss because its a girl and not some fat retard like in BW
>>1811340Siege tank is fine cuz it's a big titted bitch modeled off of one of the devs.
>>1810761building for W + Volley is gigafun but i only usually do it if there's someone else going AA and the enemy team is kinda squishy
most of the time i go for pumping out autoattacks because she can shoot SO. DAMN. FAST.
>>1811060i'd sooner trade all OW heroes for 1 starcraft neutral critter unit
>>1811512We need pandabearguy now more than ever
>>1811060Do consider Warcraft has more of a wealth long-established singular characters to pull from to fulfill unique mechanic/role ideas, whereas Starcraft is character-bare but still has cool mechanics/units to pull from.
I would argue the Diablo 2 (and 3? never played) heroes are just as "basic bitch" as those Starcraft heroes. They have no personal stories in the game, you click them around, they say things occasionally, like the starcraft units. They had to make up names for them. Or if they always had canon names, nobody knew them.
The siege tank is incredibly iconic and deserved to exist. That is a Blizzard all star. I agree they could have used Edmund Duke instead of Hammer, although Duke is probably not a hero most people would want to play as compared to a cute southern belle, given that he's strictly written to be a backstabbing aggravating cunt that dies like a bitch (I love him). The medic was worthy of being a hero icon-and-mechanic-wise but wtf could they do about that character-wise? Probe is awesome and you're gay. It's novel to have a worker unit be a hero, and it's the only SC worker unit viable to be an ASSFAGGOTS hero.
Personally I agree on the firebat. I don't even know what he does in HotS that particularly needed to exist. Maybe it was a black thing. But the point he and the others are inherently disadvantaged by their franchise.
I guarantee a lot of heroes were partially made back when they were comfily resting on Blizzard's titanic shoulder and had a limitless future, but then resources and schedules got tight and they had to get things out the door. You have your perfect Cairne Bloodhoof on the wall, but some guy made models and animations for fucking Hogger a few years ago and you have to give him Cairne's shockwave that you made.
>>1811512>executor, the enemy core has been weakened, but I fear we have sustained severe damage ourselves. I will steer the screaming bird of Shakuras into a collision course with the core!
>>1811575Bunker is a neat enough ult to justify his existence. Letting allies escape that way is a really cool and underutilized effect.
>>1811575>Probe is awesome and you're gay.Your post was really solid outside this part
the amount of diamonds who can't count to 4 to line up their abilities after a gorge is making me lose all hope in humanity
>>1811724Honestly I think that Gorge is a trap talent for sub-masters.
People just can't react well to it, and on top of that the level 20 enhancement is constantly criminally misused, and it's one of the few abilities that can be used to aid the enemy team if used poorly.
The overwhelming majority of players use it to try to run backwards for a 'secured' kill, but there's a million ways that can go wrong. There needs to be a big neon sign that says "this is just a CC ability keep tanking while they're in your belly" for most people. It's not that it can't be used well, just that it rarely is.
>>1811724>take meme talent>it's everyone elses fault it doesn't workno, you're just bad at stitches. Stop taking him
>>1811575>I don't even know what he does in HotS that particularly needed to exist.Ranged tanking, even if Mei does that concept better.
Stitches is a specialist, not a tank
Xul is a specialist, not a bruiser
>>1812363>>1812380Maybe under the old classification of specialist but not the current one. Although they should just call Abathur a healer, Zarya a bruiser and TLV a melee assassin and be done with the entire role.
>>1812385>Abathur a healerThat's like calling pre-rework Tassadar a healer
>>1812385Nah, rework two or three chars into supports instead.
>>1812387Or Uther for that matter yet here we are
>>1812389Won't ever happen
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>>1812421That's not true. They ruined my boy and I'll never forgive them
>>1812470Your boy got the balance he deserved. Now Zul'jin, he was murdered in cold blood.
>>1812473No, he didn't. He had his best and most useful talent for like 4 years gutted in exchange for a side grade on a level one talent that hasn't been relevant since he was nerfed those same 4 years ago and a new functionality that only benefited him cuz it was bugged. In exchange I now get to be banned every match, forced into tanking instead of bruising, and/or have to compete with some flavour of the month shitters who think they're good on him. It's shit mate, I want those changes reverted so badly
t. guy who has been maining him literally since release and has maintained a 70% winrate across like 4k games across multiple accounts.
On the other hand I do sympathize with the zuljin mains who got fucked recently.
Orphea is a teenager, not a loli
having a bruiser whose default role isn't off-laning is good for variety
>>1812535There's like 4 of those already. And having an offlane talent gutted to "buff" a team fight talent when both could have just been kept is asinine. He should just be reworked into an actual melee assassin.
>>1812543>There's like 4 of those alreadyThrall, Imperius, Deathwing, who else? Varian? Wouldn't say he counts, given that he used to be Multiclass, Taunt/Smash make him obviously not a bruiser at all and he even counts as tank for QM matchmaking.
>>1812549Chen too.
To be clear, all of these can offlane somewhat, but it's that none of them can camp super well and can't dual soak. Imperius could with holy fervor but he lost that so he's back to being either a tank or melee assassin like he was before. And like I said he got nothing in the trade. Q at one was sidegraded and Molten Armor is stupid in its current incarnation and he lost almost his entire ability to solo lane effectively and also what made his E build at 13/16 even worth taking at all.
having a tank whose default role isn't tanking is good for variety
>>1812558Tanking is the smallest role and having tanks who can't tank sucks.
having an assassin whose default role isn't assassinating is good for variety... oh wait that's half the role lmoa
What word do you guys think should've been used instead of Assassin? Some localizations use Killer, but that sounds cheesy in English, even if it's strictly speaking more accurate than Assassin.
>>1812565I don't know but this post format you're going for is getting tiresome. Hope someone else takes your bait cuz I'm over it.
>>1812572Shitposting is bait now? As expected of /hotsg/.
>>1812578>a shitpost isn't baitThe absolute state of newfags
>>1778761best bowl of fruit i've seen in a long time
>>1812483>across multiple accountsPut "this is a faggot's opinion" at the beginning of all your posts to save us the trouble.
>>1811807What makes Blaze ranged? That his autoattack technically isn't melee and neither is his limp utility Q? Muradin is more of a ranged tank than Blaze is.
>>1813501>what is playing on multiple servers
>>1813523>ranged normal attacks (4.5, which is the same as a low-range DD like Cassia or Genji)>AoE slow that can be thrown a good distance away>projectile that turns the AoE slow into AoE damage (with talents to keep the AoE slow in it)>large AoE on one heroicHis kit very much lets him output numbers and debuffs from distance.
Though, technically, the classification is just based on a hero's normals. Genji plays closer to a Melee Assassin, but since he throws shurikens for his normal attack, he's considered ranged.
>>1813501It's funny how, until your faggot ass showed up, I, and others, could say that without a bunch of reddit tier seething. As before I recommend you kill yourself you retarded janny faggot.
>>1813501Kindly link to a single post you've made this entire thread that was useful or interesting
I always pick the regen at 1 on Deathwing even though it's useless late game.
muradin needs a rework (buff)
>>1813581>>1813552>>1813524smurfs mad
sorry you got stuck in at a rank you toootally didn't deserve to be in.
>>1814579What the fuck are you talking about retard?
>>1814579I have one account and only play QM.
>>1814579A thief believes everybody steals.
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how much hots is too much hots
>>1815001>heroes played 87bro your orphea qhira hogger?
It's honestly disgusting how high my win rate with hammer is when all I do is A-move with hover siege
>>1815011>orpheashe's lvl 37, she was the most fun hero i've ever played until her nerfs, so in other words i barely played her since the first patch after her release
>qhira hoggercan't do, i'm racist
dAMN i LOVE playing heroes of cc craft where every fucking gamne is spent being hard cc for 80% of it with no way to do anything about it because WHOOOPSIE we forgot to add any talents to deal with the fact we gave 97% of the roster easy to land hard cc HHAAHA no wonder this dogshit game died you bareley get to play the actual game.
>>1815274>takes valla into a team running a Varian tyrande combo Skill issue.
>>1815274bro just play deathwing or aba, CC can't affect these
>>1815313Deathwing is slow as hell
And Aba gets CC'd by his own teammates
>>1816586nah dude like hard cc has no answer someone FUCKING STUN THE JOH PLEASE
>>1815274>complaining about cc in a game allergic to cc like LoLAnon pls
Not enough Li Li in this thread
Li Li is a disgusting anthropomorphized midget panda, not your virtual girlfriend
I never recovered after Artanis's swap rework. Can't take damage like he used to. Shield Surge's threshold being so low is awful.
>>1817921What are you even talking about
>>1817921used to be the shield would proc below 75% not 50% hp bro
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I can make a DIFFERENCE here if you let me
I WILL play hammer
I WILL stay in my lane
I am NOT obligated to use the big rocket to save you but I will because it is funny
>>1818503napalm is rarely the correct choice
a better hinterland on a 70s cd is almost never bad
>game ends
>teammate whispers me and tells me i played great
>"thanks, you too"
>quickly close game before risking a party invite/friend request
>letting anyone message you
I don't play this game to be social or to hear your feedback
>>1818506Literally never picked Napalm even as a joke, I have no idea what it does.
>>1818571it's mobile waveclear on a negligible cooldown that doesn't root you, and decent siege/zoning that rounds out hammer's kit quite nicely, but BFG is just better most of the time
>>1818571Napalm is good of you're going for a mine build and you don't spend a whole lot of time in siege mode.
Zagara is pretty much the perfect hero, except for mana issues pre 10
fair, useful, not fancy but has tools to deal with most comps
I miss when BFG damaged buildings. Now it's just a better Lava Wave at best.
>>1818945I loved getting that sneaky last hit on the core.
>>1818961Camera panning to the stationary rocket over the Core was the best icing on the cake.
I miss invisibility using SC2 textures
I miss Valeera not teleporting on people as soon as she exits the fog of war
Fuck reddit and the crying faggots who cried "WAAAAH BUT IT'S AN EYE CHECK", get some fucking glasses then you worthless retard. I wonder how many of those shitstains who cried about the original invisibility even play anymore
I'm so glad that people who play any stealth hero are endlessly butthurt and can't cope with the fact their faggot hero is borderline useless 99% of the time now.
Valeera players seem to be enjoying the game a lot though?
it will never cease to surprise me how SL players expect me to fill after they picked 3 ranged dps
>>1819998>instalock 46% winrate Li Ming I don't fill for these clowns. I'll pick bruiser like I always do and they can get fucked.
>>1820012I don't even care if the 3 players are at 60% wr with their rdps, the sheer arrogance of expecting the last two picks to be heal+tank makes me instalock nova
>>1819998>>1820012>>1820032So you would fill for 2 ranged + 1 melee?
>>1820228I don't mind filling, if those picking assassins make sure all roles are filled first. But if you just load in and lock a ranged assassin before anyone is even showing they're willing to tank or heal then I'm fine throwing the match for them. Melee assassins bother me less because they can usually camp/lane if needed and are less egotistical most times. But it's always some pissant genji or ming or some shit who think they're fucking hot shit it annoys the fuck out of me
>my team picks zagara maiev rag as our 'carries'
> I am expected to care and not just run it down to get it over quickly
>>1821341?
all good heroes wym
What is this dogshir ranking system do you need 70% winrate at all time to climb at all? 90 games in with 55% winrate and I'm still stuckin the middle of fucking silver???????????????
>>1821381you're not "stuck" if you win 55% of your games you moron
>>1821387Well I started in silve and i'm still silver, im not playing 1000 games just to go up one division.
>>1821400i suggest you start looking for another source of "number go up" if you aren't playing for fun
>>1797266There's also this guy, but I think he only plays quick meme
>>182138190 games with 55% winrate in silver suggests your MMR was previously bottom of bronze or you have misrepresented your statistics. Perhaps you win a lot while duoing but lose while soloing, or the opposite?
Do you often lose more than 200 points or win fewer than 200?
>>1821431I don't know how to show it but I started in silver five I'm pretty sure, currently 1 win away from silver two. This game just has horrible ranking up.
>>1821341>my team picked in a way that guarantees you win by sheer map pressure and ganks>i'm mad because I don't know how to do anything but team fight
>>1821465it was immortals and we lost, surprising never being able to contests any objectives lowers your winrate
>>1821448>takes 5 more wins than losses to go up a rank>has 9 more wins than losses>has gone up two ranksMath checks out. Win more and you climb faster, and/or play more games. Do you actually expect to join ranked, play a couple dozen games and jump like 4 divisions? Are you dumb?
>>1821448So you DID start as bronze MMR, explaining it. You're where the system thinks you should be. Keep winning and you'll get more points per win.
>>1797266grubby should've stayed in WC where his opinions were actually good
>>1821429>original picture shows 10k goal>GoFundMe has since been updated to 35k>they've pulled 30k alreadymy faith in humanity is low enough that i guarantee they pull the plug and pocket the rest
>reinstall game
>load into quickmatch
>some russian is ping spamming me
>starts running into enemy towers typing cyrillic shit
>call him a nigger and alt f4
i am so glad to see the games are still sabotaged by subhuman russians to this day
this was the primary reason i stopped playing years ago but i guess some things never change right?
i wish trump would've bombed them instead of iran but both deserves it tbf
>>1821527>some russian is ping spamming me>starts running into enemy towers typing cyrillic shitThat's so stereotypical it's actually funny, don't be so upset
I haven't had a cancerous zigger of that degree since I have returned (which was about 2 weeks ago), so don't bail so quickly
Some people still sperg out, but it's all good as long as they keep playing normally, and you can mute them if you want to
>there are literal bronzeshits in this thread right now
I'm going to be sick
I only play QM exclusively (and Brawl if something cool is on rotation).
>>1821699>44%high enough that you can't be a troll or griefer, but low enough that you're probably disabled in some form, my condolences
why do people even bother with ranked nowadays?
i don't see why you should be playing anything else other than qp and arams
t ex rank1
>>1822902I don't like the QM map pool, simple as. BHB? Hanamura? No thanks. Not to mention healer-less 10 assassin games. ARAM is just stupid brawling and you don't even get to pick fun heroes sometimes. Ranked is the least bad game mode without these flaws and people are more likely to try because virtual ego points.
>>1822902QM is not very similar to ranked due to the lack of draft.
ARAMs I enjoy but the hero pool is limited.
You can only see ranked through the lens of competition, but for most people it's just the only way to play the 'normal' game. I personally don't care about my rank or improving, I play ranked just because I have fun.
Unranked is the most popular game mode in LoL I think, but it's super dead in HotS so you have to play ranked instead.
On a personal note, I also like seeing my MMR analogue even if I don't care to improve. I just find some small enjoyment in being able to compare my skill across games.
Greymane is such a fucking dogshit failure of a hero, all he offers is damage and literally nothing else, not even a slow or soft CC of any kind, shitty hero is propped up only by inflated stats
>>1823989>damage hero does damageNo fucking shit
>he's propped up by the fact he has good statsretard just discovered balancing. There was a time he was the most broken ranged assassin and it wasn't even close, even know he can be really fucking good its just he requires a brain to use so the current playerbase can't manage.
>>1824009Hanzo has a scouting arrow, a ranged stun, and damage
Jaina has ranged slow, an aoe root, more slow, armor debuff, and damage
Raynor has a ranged slow, a knockback, a scouting banshee, and damage
Tassadar has slowing AAs, an aoe stun, an invincible wall, spell armor debuff, possibly maphack, and damage
Greymane has damage
nice hero design!!
>>1824017>can camp and delete structures better than almost any of them>can dive into the backline unlike any of them and delete squishies as if he was a melee assassin instead>has sustained damage output past any of them off his AA aloneYes GM has been powercreeped out a bit but you're fucking taking the piss if you think he's shit. Might as well way valla or tychus suck since they can't really do any of that stuff either
>>1824017>>1824061Also lol at some of those
>yo jaina has a armor debuff nigger GM can have a cleaving 3% titan killer on literally every attack. How many heroes can do that?
>>1822902I'd play ranked sometimes if it had all maps, as sometimes I feel like drafting instead of just playing a certain hero. For now I just go to ARAM for that, though.
>>1824017>>1824061>>1824061Here's ranged assassin stats for patch 2.55 across all ranks in Storm League. Seems to be pretty competitive and way ahead of fucking hanzo lol
>Orphea #1
unreliable data
>>1824068She isn't number one. And not being willing to accept literally the most reliable (if not only) form of data we have as a source isn't my problem
It's the most reliable source, but to a even a casual observer is deeply flawed.
I wish there was something better, but unfortunately the only hard data we have is so horribly skewed (and worse, the skew is unknown) so as to be useless for drawing conclusions that require even small assumptions regarding generality.
Why don't they just remove Unranked from the main menu? Nobody plays this mode and the 2-3 players per day that fruitlessly try to queue into it only get disappointed.
>>1824101Holy fuck faggot. Learn to link to the posts you're replying to. Also
>the data is horribly skewed>the skew is unknownWhat a stupid thing to say
>>1824291Holy fuck faggot, make your posts count and add some substance instead of just saying "nah you're wrong" without any argument, not that anon btw
>>1824067>sub 50% wr assassin isn't dogshitstats don't lie
ALL greymane offers is damage.. which is coincidentally something ALL assassins are capable of!
>>1824294Explain what substance not (you) add with that post, or even this one you just made. Stupid cunt.
>>1824296>his winrate is closer to mephistos than hanzo is to his despite being compared unfavourably to hanzo>its virtually identical to raynor who he was also compared unfourably to >junkrat, sylvanas and chromie, raynor and hanzo are dogshit >the devs mark for a successful and balanced hero is a winrate between 48-52% so by their own definition he's balanced >the ability to clear a bruiser camp at level 1 isn't worth noting >an assassin that can do some of the highest and most reliably safe damage in the game is useless because he doesn't have a slow or some shit >valla and tychus are almost in the same boat but you aren't calling them shitKill yourself retard. Fuck this thread has gone to shit lately.
>>1824298just telling you to do better champ, I don't give a shit who wins this virtual non argument at the end of the day
>>1824304>>the ability to clear a bruiser camp at level 1 isn't worth notingyou think clearing a bruiser camp at level 1 wins you games? illidan and rexxar can solo bosses before most heroes (it just takes them 10 years), should that be noted as one of their strengths?
>>1824305>useless post to defend a useless post attacking a useless postEvery fucking post you make is retarded.
>>1824307Maybe do some fucking research yourself dumb cunt. This is greymanes talent winrates at master/diamond level
>>1824311doesn't answer my question
you think rehgar or greymane soloing a camp at level 1 wins games? imperius can't do that, must be a bad hero
>>1824310substanceless post plus you're wrong
>>1824311And here's mephistos. Notice how the best talent build for both is the same winrate? Which means that greymane has balanced talents and the heros base abilities and stats are balanced. He just has some shit talents and if you take them you lose, but lots of heroes are like that.
>>1824313The fact you think it doesn't is funny.
>>1824313Also funny you use imperius as an example. He was considered a bad hero for years, and then was buffed into being mediocre at best minutes two short stints of being unintentionally broken. For most of his life he had a lower winrate than GM. One of the biggest flaws that has been pointed out for years by virtually everyone is that he can't camp worth shit.
>>1824320an early camp you don't push with or time before the obj is useless! soloing bruisers at level 1 at the cost of 90% of your hp is pretty stupid and something bronzies would do because they think that's helpful! having to B means 20-25 seconds before you can heal and rejoin a lane and have impact on the game again!
>>1824321Minus* two short stints
>>1824322>my opinion is importantDo you agree that a 60% winrate is good or not? Stats don't lie I've been told
>>1824324winmore stats are misleading
is the hero winning because they got carried by a good team or because they solod bruisers at level 1? twin blades varian is good because he can solo the boss while the team is left to 4v5 for 20 years? like explain a scenario where you taking the camp early as dogshit doggy helped you win the game
>>1824329>stats are only winmore when I don't like the resultAddress what I said here
>>1824316 you colossal faggot, or maybe any of the other 10 points I say here
>>1824304 instead of hyperfixating on the one you don't like even though grandmaster players back when this game was relevant considered that doing so was worth doing and a bonus to the heroes that could do it like greymane or maeiv and has been done in tournaments
>>1824336what point are you trying to make? damage hero who struggles to reach 49% wr = dogshit, there's nothing to argue, there's no complexity to the hero beyond MORE DAMAGE so if they can't win games more than half the time they are dogshit
>greymane or maievone of these is not like the other! one has damage which also means camp clear and the other has damage which also means camp clear AND CC AND game-winning ults!
>>1824343>entirely ignores everything that was said>doesn't prove his own points whatsoever>just reasserts his own dogshit opinion based on his own feelings and nothing elseJesus son. Please tell me more about Junkrat is dogshit lol. I would love more opinions from gold 4
>>1824345>Please tell me more about Junkrat is dogshit lol.does he offer more than damage? -> yes -> then he's not dogshit like greymane
hopefully that helps
you keep mentioning strictly better heroes who also happen to be great at soloing bruisers which is hilarious
do I want a Naisha's Maiev who can 1v9 or a useless furry on my team, tough question
>>1824348>49% winrate is proof of being dogshit except when it isn't>entire rest of the post is personal feelings based on nothing again
>>1811060>>1810344I actually got a friend to play hots because he could play as a siege tank.
every single hero in the game should have access to a stun and a root by default (no talent needed)
tanks get double, supports triple of that
>>1824830>supports triple of thatHow would Abathur with six stuns/roots total work?
every hero should have an unstoppable on a 60s cd and self-healing, fountains should also have 50% the cd
>>1824830>>1824843And if they don't they're dogshit. Having different heroes with different abilities and strengths and weaknesses isn't how a MOBA is supposed to work.
last hitting minions should grant more xp
li li should have 10% ms just like probius
if avatar gave 4k more hp and 50% armor it would still be garbage
chromie's temporal loop should stick permanently to a hero until it dies, but the teleport interval increases by 20 seconds after each loop
>hmm the hero we just buffed 180% for no reason seems to be winning every single game he's picked in
>
>deep rock galactic thrall
>>1824343>maiev>damage>CC>game winning ults
>>1825284disc is literally a better cocoon you simpleton
>>1825430what's so funny? cocoon gets countered by unstoppable and tracer
>>1824901FUCK MURADIN PLAYERS
>>1825619i don't get the meme
>>1825273What are you talking about?
Iโve been playing the game on and off for 10 years and every time I come back to it I leave for the same reason which is itโs impossible to get out of bronze. If I think Iโm getting a nice wind streak eventually that is destroyed by a mega lost streak, which is unavoidable. I often see the same issues conducted by players on my team that will never change for as long as Iโm in bronze.
Frustratingly, you just canโt solo clutch on this game and that means no matter how I perform I still need my team on average to perform on average better than the opponents team.
The problem is, I have to play with those people to get out of bronze. Iโve tried every strategy and every tactic known online and I play the best I possibly can each game. This often means I have the best stats, but as we know that means little to winning the game.
I just donโt know what more I can do. I guess the only alternative which I havenโt currently explored is joining a five person premade as Iโm sure that will drag me out of bronze.
>>1825815Play a bruiser with waveclear and large self-sustain, then spend most of the game either in lane or in full teamfights.
Or play as Stitches and Garosh to command your teammates in the most direct way.
>>1825815>Frustratingly, you just canโt solo clutch on this gameYou absolutely can in bronze man. Don't cope. If you're even half decent you should be able to take a good bruiser and win 70% of your games just by soaking, camping and showing up obj because I can guarantee that your offlane opponent will only do 2 of those things and not all 3.
I'm just copypasting a funny redditor and you guys gave me two actual replies
>>1825942>admits to going to redditThis isn't the win you think it is. Although now your persistent inability to follow established posting format, and continued stupidity and bullshit argumentativeness makes a lot of sense. Perhaps you should go back there.
>>1825953>established posting formatmeaningless buzzword soup you must have learned from HR
>>1825955>redditor newfag doesn't understand why he should lurk moreLet me put this in a format you may understand
I've been here since day 1 try again summershit
I love junkrat's design. Especially the part when he can just choose no to die no matter how low or surrounded he is and instead just blow like 3 members of your team for 80% of their healt, amazing design the devs must be really proud of themselves.
>>1825998press the cc button
I've been trying to watch old replays but it says I need to disconnect from battlenet and change versions or something? so replays are only good for the current patch? that's hella lame
>>1825998It's OK when Overnigger heroes do it.
I love abaturds design. Especially the part when he can just choose no to die no matter how many global vision you have and instead just blow like 3 members of your team for 80% of their health with his zero-xp-awarding clone, amazing design the devs must be really proud of themselves.
what's a good mage to destroy tank/front lines with? I fucking Diablo/Muradin/Garrosh/Dahaka/Johanna/Anub etc.etc. mongoloids
>>1826161mages can't really "destroy" tanks but a KTZ is pretty good against low-mobility tanks like Arthas, Jaina is good vs Garrosh because of her perma slow, Chromie and Ming can poke all day if they're smart, Chromie can also punish overly ambitious divers who don't have unstoppable with her loop and sands is just good in general to negate an engage
>>1826161>what ranged spellcaster can do enough damage to vaporize the highest HP highest mitigation characters in the game?get a job at blizzard and "rework" li-ming or whoever you fap to so she ends up doing gigadamage that takes the rest of the team a year to revert
Why do people say Stickes isn't a tank? You know you don't have to go the hook build and skip every single defensive talent.
>>1826194Don't you? Because that's his unique feature, if you're not capitalizing on it as much as possible you may as well play a different tank.
>>1826194he's a tank that doesn't fit every comp like Johanna does, better?
>get to shit on 4 novas in a row in qm
hehe, haha, hoho, xaxo
What a worthless hero
>in qm
you wasted your time
The US Presidents Play Heroes of the Storm...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qlJir9a1zk
wrong link whoops my bad lol
The US Presidents Play Heroes of the Storm...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3RWpuB6-yA
You want me to play a character I have never played before in ranked, Potter?
>>1826194>build defensive>people ignore you anyways because you aren't a threatwaow you're so tanky! ...what if i just... walked past you!!
This game makes me so angry but I have nothing else so I just keep playing.
I'm never going to be unhappy as long as I can keep slugging
>>1825953>huff huff waaahk lol
>>1825953>admitting that you fell (hook, line and sinker) for the old reddit ruseThis isn't the win you think it is.
what does this say about the player
>>1828357>copy paste from reddit>others don't recognize it as a reddit post and engage with it>ha i tricked you, you're dumbJesus fucking Christ. And back to back samefagging about it two days later too. What the fuck is wrong with you?
i can see the a/s/l/n in everyone's posts
>>1828449>>others don't recognize it as a reddit postwhy not? I thought there was "an established posting format" lol
>>1828463>seething and coping this hard like 4 days later>in that entire time his tiny brain still hasn't been able to puzzle out what was meantJust stop man
>>1828449>he can't tell between a reddit post and a 4chan post>he can't tell between anonsEmbarrassing.
>>1828472I wouldn't know what a reddit post looks like to be honest. Sorry I'm not from there
>2 different anonslol, lmao
Couldn't they have kneecapped everything ow character before leaving, actually playing vs junkrat/genji make me want to uninstall.
>>1828718Stop attacking into Genji's deflect. It's okay to stop.
>>1828718genji is a fair hero outside of braxis, remember he has no waveclear so you can outmacro him
>tired of getting popped in 1ms in fights
>bruiser time
>haven't played Imperius in years, but have been up against him recently and saved a build
>dragon shrine
>Naz can't 1v1 Malth, but pushes well
>Probius is very good but it's not enough
>getting the objective for us is impossible
>have anduin and aba in my pocket so basically the entire match is in my hands
>by lvl 20 all five enemy team members flee at the mere sight of me
holy fuck
holy shit
lmao
we were struggling so badly all game, but lvl 20 was like a fucking uno reverse card
yeah, i should play him more before he gets nerfed
>>1828865>hero gets good at level 20 with 2 pocket supports>HOLY SHIT IS HE OP???
>>1828897are you really this bored?
>>1828865He was just nerfed. His winrate was inflated by a bug but now its about the same or even lower than it was before his little mini rework
Why do bronze players love dva so much? I never see her on other ranks.
>>1829025it's the pyroblast syndrome, 100-0ing someone with bomb must feel good
dva needs a rework
replace defense matrix with a grenade that is both a flashbang and a tear gas grenade all in one (blind AND dehaka head balloon effect, but no silence), detonation is delayed, but can be cooked by holding the ability button, overcooking it also affects d.va and enemies around her
gain 1% self-destruct charge per second, on top of already existing charge generators
bunny hop stuns every 2nd hop
Q gives unstoppable
pro moves lvl 1 talent is removed and given to d.va by default
micro missiles lvl 10 talent is removed and given to d.va by default at lvl 4 or 7
other lvl 10 option is backup mech: can self-destruct without sufficient self destruct charges, and it doesn't reset charge % upon use
i'll just stop here because hots is dead and abandoned and it makes me sad
abathur needs a rework
replace locust with a flying locust with 30s duration that deals 75% bonus damage to buildings
all hat abilities reduced by 0.5s
MULE is now a zerg parasite that attaches to enemy buildings and applies an irremovable dot
clone also copies the ultimate chosen by the target
how the fuck does aba even call down an uninfested terran mule?
>>1829133>MULE is now a zerg parasite that attaches to enemy buildings and applies an irremovable dotthis but instead of a dot, it takes over the tower/fort eventually (also works on cores)
>>1829170Blizzard just never had time or resources to replace this generic talent, Malfurion and Tass used to have MULE too I'm not joking
>>1829179>Malfurion and Tass used to have MULE too I'm not jokingnow that you mention it, i can recall tass having it too lol
never played malf though
i wish tass stayed as a support hero since we already have a billion ranged assassins, the concept was good but the execution was bad
>"raidboss whitemane" mfs when the enemy does more than 108 DPS at level 16
>>1829128worst post in this thread
and i'm gonna keep making more
lost 10 games in a row and kept going because a champ never gives up
we are heroes though, not champions though?
how do I beat sonya 1v1 offlane
>>1830450imperius or thrall for 1v1s on two lane maps malthael if you gotta macro as well as beat her ass
>>1830450leoric drain build
>tfw need to grind out 130,000 more gold for 13 heroes
>haven't had the motivation to even do dailies for a few months because that's still ~10 months of grind
Don't even get me started on the 200k gold needed for the mounts. The grind is so pointlessly dumb.
>I NEED TO BUY ALL THE HEROES AND MOUNTS
mental illness
>>1830695Yeah that's the face I make every time I think about playing. It's not like playing ranked is any more enjoyable either.
>>1830691>170,000 gold banked >still haven't bought junkrat I had more but bought those two gold and silver wolf mounts and the thraller bill
i'd buy alex but trusting teammates to move into the healing circle is just pointless stress
Gotta love the Friday night 5 stacks
>>1830706ok
>goes to play dota where all heroes are free
>>1830829your problem for not carrying
>>1830874nta but I'm like five or six short of all unlocked on HotS and I haven't even played like half the roster outside of aram
I unironically believe the starter hero pack plus normal play over the course of like a month will give you all the heroes you'd ever want to play
maybe if there were more wacky modes like ability draft it'd make sense to have dota's style, but that's not the case
also, having all the heroes doesn't make dota any more fun. people tend to play the characters they like over and over and hots has the try function and free weeks to let you find the characters you like
>>1830967I think our 13.5% chance at winning was gone when our Mei "was stuck on the toilet with explosive diarrhea" for the first 5 minutes of the game
I still tried but these niggers have qm stomping comps down to a science and that science is hard cc x 5
>>1831020you might not want to hear this but you're the only constant in all your losses
>>1831026>dude it's impossible to get unlucky, your 10-loss streak out of nowhere must be because you suddenly suck!reddit
>>1831225you got "unlucky" 10 times in a row? do you even know how mmr works?
>>1831309>do you even know how mmr works?what does that have to do with anything
>>1831316if you lose you get easier opponents next match because your mmr decreased
now if you assume every match is 50/50, how do you get unlucky 10 times in a row?
what are the odds of flipping a coin and it landing on heads or tails 10 times in a row?
>>1831320for a game with hundreds of thousands of players some of them will eventually get on unlucky loss streaks or win streaks. idk why that is so hard to believe for you
>>1831323yeah but not 10 losses in a row, that's not being unlucky, that's being drunk/tilted and the only constant
>>1831328yes even 10 losses in a row
leavers can happen, afkers can happen, tilted players typing for half the match can happen, quick play rolling 3 mages into anub'arak and genji can happen. we're talking about qm here and not storm league
>>1831352So long as you admit that when you win 10 games in a row you're just getting lucky. The only thing you can claim is because of your own actual playing is 50/50 and everything else is blizzards fault.
my win rate is 50.3%
i only play QM (or brawl if it's fun)
i'm this guy
>>1815001
>>1831477I wasn't asking for your life story and I don't care that you're bad, I just wanted to make sure your talking points were consistent
>>1831475>So long as you admit that when you win 10 games in a row you're just getting lucky.yes
i wasn't talking to you and you weren't talking to me
>>1831026>you might not want to hear thisYou're right but only because it's not relevant to my previous posts. I'm happy with my winrate and in-game performances in almost all my games as believe I'm a pretty consistently good player. My post was about an anomaly that happens once in a blue moon where a 5 stack with a ridiculously high winrate gets to play against your three solos/afk duo queue. Chiming in with your copy paste "only constant" spiel makes no sense in that context
>Inb4 "just carry harder bro"shut the fuck up
don't ever reply to me or my fish again
nydus is underrated, maw is overrated
>>1831592>create post>I wasn't talking to youlol get fucked retard
>ETC starts to BM halfway through the game for some reason
>dies in the process of trying to act cool just before the last objective
>do webm related to his team while the dumb cow can only watch from the corner
Lol.
>>1832157>pedo hero>pedo skin
what are some r/hotsg approved heroes?
>>1832515nazeebo, especially the frog build
>>1832515all bruisers
>>1832525he said approved not condemned
>>1832515Why don't you go back and ask them yourself?
>>1832529he's asking for reddit builds that's the most reddit build in the game
There's a lot of reddit experts in this thread lately.
>>18326002015 called, they want you and your secret club 4chan back
>redditors admit to being redditors but are still offended when you call them that
Some things never change
report aba afk all game under towers or bushes
today I was the constant in 8 losses in a row