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Amarr Primacy Edition

News
>Legion Expansion Released
>Babaroga and Sarathiel, a Triglavian Marauder and Angel Cartel Dreadnought is now available
>Freelance jobs are out in a broken and incomplete state, to no one's surprise
>Rollback of Surgical Strike resistance nerfs
>Logistics ship buffs
>Some cruisers models have been redesigned
>Several SovHub upgrades and buffs that no one cares about
>CCP makes a bunch of dumb changes don't ever remove this from the OP because it's always true

Old Thread: >>1746507

First for Jump Freighters making trannys seethe.

Ice mining is great.

>new thread right when convo was getting interesting

>periodical spergout about JFs
>interesting

Should JFs only be permitted to jump to specialized beacons 5000 km away from a station?

Amarr pride worldwide

>>1780231
they should be able to jump as they currently can but with a 30s spoolup on both the cyno before it lights and the jump itself

Freighters should have a million EHP.

>>1780231
was just going to say this
>>1780244
All jump bridges should require a startup time (1 minute per LY) and a 3 minute jump timer. Blops can lock on to a cyno in half the time and jump in 30 seconds. Industrial cynos are exceptionally slow and take twice as long to lock and jump.

>>1780249
>lancers should be able to kill every jf gating to highsec

Jfc. I thought highsec gankers were pathetic, but you faggots bitching about jfs are even lower.

>>1780255
Only thing it does is stop people from cynoing when there's shit around, the jump just fails if it's interrupted. Unless you're complaining you can't instadock in a system just because a Venture lights a cyno.

Remove Cynos.
And while you are at it, remove Logi in all its forms as well.
>No more "Can we break their logi" cancer
>If you go with the braindead "X is primary, Y is secondary" F1 monkeying and the other FC can actually split guns or even better, multiple FCs coordinating multiple targets, even though the fleet A is bigger than fleet B, fleet B could inflict losses faster and overtake fleet A, or at the very least inflict enough losses that even if the fleet A wins, they could be unable to proceed with the objectives, especially if you've also removed cynos.
>Yes it would still be n+1 blobbing, and yes it would still be two fleets positioning eachother and bait & switching as much as possible before any engagement but at least once an engagement happened more destruction would be guaranteed.

Nothing pisses me off more than a BR with 1000 ships on each side and the total numbers of ships that end up being destroyed is <50 mostly limited to dictors and ceptors. All because of
>muh logi
Absolutely fucking disgusting. It would also force FCs to think quicker because with no logi, fights would be over much sooner.

Lancer dreds are not enough, we need a final solution to the Jump Freighter question.

Who ever said the thing about reshipping being impossible without jump freighters, if only there was some kind of carrier that specializes in carrying other vessels into the fight, it would help if there was some kind of clone jump bay there too so you could get pilots into the fight. Too bad it doesn't exist

>>1780378
Just make all damage leak through to hull by a small percent. Logi can rep targets and delay their death, but they can't completely prevent it when .2% of all damage is slowly bleeding through to hull.

Not only will this result in ship destruction if the target doesn't leave, ship equipment will take wear and tear during combat. Eventually fighting effectiveness will drop to the point where the ship has to try and escape and hostiles are left with the choice to keep them pointed and pouring damage on them to secure the killing blow or let them run so they can switch to a new target and pull more ships out of the fight.

>>1780164
Did you get your mining permit, miner?

>>1780524
No one's successfully ganked me in the last five years, so I don't need one.

>>1780388
Just use the mail system that WoW has. No more hauling. That way everyone gets their stuff instantly for free and you faggots don't have to worry about jfs anymore.

>i want free kills

>>1780581
I honestly think FW navies should provide standard ships for players in the same way a corp would give out ships for a strat op. Make them restricted where you have to put up a deposit for them and only get it back if you return the ship or it gets blown up while being in the warzone.

logi truly is the best role

>>1780647
Do you pay attention primarily to broadcasts or frantically scroll through your watchlist?

>>1780746
both

>>1780804
I find myself giving more attention to the watchlist than broadcasts. I think my biggest problem is I just need to readjust my windows so I can watch them both more easily. Also I generally don't trust fleet members to broadcast fast enough.

It's less important for me though. I only fly logi when I can't run something else. It's not my first choice.

hahaha now i have 113 accounts with omega
bow before me, tremble at my might

if you argue about and/or do hauling you are a german irl.

woah genius tell me the secret method to teleporting shit into and out of my wormhole palace then

use the method that prisoners use to smuggle mobile phones you fucking coward.

even if i could shove 300 retributions up my ass im still not sure how im supposed to get to jita

>>1781622
even your asshole will get suicide ganked

>>1781598
>Be American
>Build up industry corp, start doing recruitment
>Get a few people over time, eventually have 50 people in corporation

>Corp is now 95% German
>Most people have stopped speaking English because why would they when only like three or four people are actually native english speakers in corporation
>Eventually hand over CEO as corp becomes virtually all German
>Still cannot find English speaking industry corporation

You got them right?

I moved in to a quiet spot of lowsec and my corporation has run of a couple of constellations out there. I know there's a lot of mapping software for wormholes, but is there any that's good for charting signatures and connections over a large space of k-space? Surely there's got to be a mapping tool for nullsec alliances and such.

kys jf trannies

>>1781578
how did you achieve this, use 10 plex on each of them?

>>1781787
Its time to make a new one with me

>>1781839
Are you recruiting? Sounds exactly the spot I see myself wanting to get into

>captcha 2KAOS

>>1781906
I just joined, so I would assume the corporation is recruiting. It operates out of Genesis lowsec, but most people don't do anything but camp systems and kill people that wander by. I don't think I'm going to last too long because none of them care about stuff like gas huffing or whatever.

>>1781831
No cuz CCP never announces them and I dont normally use Twitch

>>1781839
The wormhole mapping tools generally support that functionality by default.
You just have different priorities when sorting your map.

>>1781940
I basically want something that's just a DOTLAN map but has a signature/anomaly pool on the side which says what sites are up across the region and when they were last checked. Also support for temporary wormhole connections and a way to calculate routes when checking them.

I'm using Wanderer for it right now but it's clunky for bigger parts of k-space or mapping several holes on a single map. GalaxyFinder and Tripwire were wholly insufficient for my needs because each map is anchored on a single system. People can't just look at the map and be like, "Oh there's a bunch of gas sites in this system, I should grab my Prospect and go huffing or see that there's 15 combat sites up somewhere without clicking on each system manually. Disseminating routing changes is also a pain in the ass.

>>1781940
which tools are good for WHing?

this stinks but its free isk for my tiny character

is it specifically a pain to also try and live a normal eve life, do missions/exploration if you are in the militia? I dont want to keep enlisting and dropping

>>1781949
If you're just capturing sites and not fighting, make an alpha alt to do it on. I have an alpha in Guristas, Angel, and Amarr FW that each have like 500 fitted Algos in their home stations, I only log on them when I want to farm LP and transfer it all out to my corp when I'm done.

>>1781948
NTA but my corp uses Twipwire

>>1781950
im not far from an alpha rn, so thats basically what im doing

>>1780164
>Ice mining with 40 bots
ok

>>1781950
i realise now what you meant, its a good idea, ill probably do this

>>1781959
I always thought if we could get enough people together willing to do this, we could start actually forming up a big enough blob to fuck with Frat taking those Orca/Rorq FW sites. Like just get enough people to dump alts into a corp for Guristas FW, form a standing fleet, have everyone train an alpha doctrine for something like shitfit Caracals/Drakes, then go and chase off farmers when we have enough.

I don't really know if those sites pay enough LP per person to make it worth the time though, I've never successfully completed one. For all I know it could be worse than a normal solo plex and they just do it because it lets a dozen people collect at once.

>>1781906
>how did you achieve this, use 10 plex on each of them?
110 of them, yes
it took 3 hours to give them all the plex and buy omega

damn thats gay

yeah
profitable though
im gonna get on average 1.7 extractors from them

your gay

>>1782515
how much is 1.7 extractors worth?

>>1782640
1 extractor is 300m profit minimum

>>1782673
so after making all of these and doing all the micro of extracting, how much isk per hour have you made

>>1782713
i won't extract until tuesday so i wont know for sure
plus half these accounts are on the first extraction, the other half have already had their brains sucked at least once. some accounts will fill 3 extractors, some 2, some will only fill 1.

it takes 2-3 minutes to make the account, character, skip tutorial and set skill queue to 5m sp
2 mins/acc to plex using a sale like this latest one
claiming login rewards on them takes basically no time unless you have to login to the accounts again
if it takes 10-15 minutes per account including extraction its 2.4-3.6b/hr for the first extraction
most of the time is unironically spent waiting for the game to load

Who's going to win; goons or horde?

>>1781839
SMT my dude.
Nullfags use it to set up phone alerts when an neut is detected X number of jumps away.

if i join a corp, is it going to be necessary i do voice chat?
i wanna join a corp but i'm pretty sure there's no way i won't have to voice chat with them

>>1782819
Depends. In my experience vc isn't required on your part, you just need to listen to the fc.

>>1782813
tehols wallet

I still have a lot of spare SP (3mil to spend)

I havent pulled the trigger yet as im not sure what would be worthwhile.

I enjoy exploration the most solo I think, everything else just relies on people and I dont know anyone, so I might just spend some SP to get a buzzard and cov ops cloak

however I have looked at some heron with a cloak, and honestly in wormhole space Im struggling to make an arguement for why I would go for the buzzard when im so poor - I just need protection to sit in a safe and scan, which a normal cloak can do right?

>>1782872
Floating SP is for emergencies. As in, you don't spend it unless you need a skill trained right this moment.

>make an arguement for why I would go for the buzzard when im so poor
It lets you warp cloaked and it has better bonuses. The two things that fuck with you when doing exploration are first getting killed and second failing hacks. Don't underestimate how much lower hacking stats will damage your income, you only need a bit of bad luck and the 90 mil can you've been looking for goes poof.
I honestly didn't understand just how bad it is until I got max stats and started hacking with the good gear.

>>1782813
Frat

>>1782884
buzzard doesnt inherintly have better hacking/relic stats though right? Or am i missing something

Oh its +5 better for hacking and relic, but i suppose it also has a bunch of probe strength shit too for quicker scanning

>>1782889
Heron
=======
37.5% probe strength
+5 virus shit

Buzzard
=======
25% probe deviation
40% probe strength (requires cov ops 4)
+10 virus shit

related - its not hugely better, until cov ops 3+

>>1782889
>>1782893
That's about correct.
You should also consider your rigs. Scanning rigs all have diminishing returns so it's actually fine to use a pair of different hacking rigs. One for data, one for relic.
What I have is one Helios with 1 hyperspatial rig + 1 scanning rig, one helios with 2 relic rigs and one helios with 2 data rigs.
But if you're just going around with 1 buzzard, you ought to have enough mid slots to cram in all the scanning strength you need and then the rigs are one hyperspatial and one relic.
There's also implants to consider, I have just a 6% probe strength hardwiring, which is middle of the road implant. If you aren't sure and will go around dying, you may forgo the implant entirely. Certainly don't go buying the bigdick faction implant sets.

>hacking III
>covert ops
>astero
>do this until you find something better to do

>>1782908
astero just feels widly expensive for me, and it dies just as quick as any of the other frigates

>>1782920
It is expensive, but the bonuses are nice and it doesn't require high skills to fly.

I stopped exploring a long time ago. The best sites require dealing with strong rats and I wasn't going to fuck around with that while also worrying about getting dropped on in a hole that might close at any time.

Expo is good isk early on though.

>>1782936
eh...

it's very rng dependent, but if you stick to relic sites, you can easily make 100m in like 15 mins, especially if you live in a wormhole and you got corp members that will scan shit for you.

>>1782945
Fair enough. I ultimately went the nullblock route. My scanning pilot is now my combat pilot while my three other accounts do industry.

If wormhole is the kind of life for you, high skilled expo might be the optimal route.

>>1782819
>is it going to be necessary i do voice chat?
depends on the corp and what they do.
lot of corps are chill and let you do your own thing.
you'd only be expected on voice chat for any PVP stuff, and even then you dont have to talk, you're expected to just be able to hear the FC's orders.
actual voice-chat communication is required for stuff where ppl are working together but independently on something, like wormhole stuff or small gang.
or you could join a null/highsec/mining corp or something and never use voice chat for years because you're still basically playing singleplayer.

>>1782872
>Im struggling to make an arguement for why I would go for the buzzard when im so poor
i mean its what, 20mil? 30mil to fit one?
if you're that hard up for isk stick to the Heron for a bit until you get your net worth back up to 100-200mil again.
Once you can afford to lose a few Buzzards then you're set. Like other anon said, it scans and hacks faster and is a lot safer.
Difference between the T1 and T2 is night and day with some of the hacks, as itll 1-shot instead of 2-shot the easy nodes and might mean the difference between 3-shotting or 2-shotting a tougher node.

>>1782889
>buzzard doesnt inherintly have better hacking/relic stats though right?
you missed the
>+10 virus shit
in the role bonus
the tech1's only get +5.
the only other ships you'll get a +10 on are Metamorphosis and Astero which are much more expensive than a Buzzard.

>>1782920
Astero is in sort of a weird place.

Compared to a covert ops, it can actually fight with its drones to deal some damage to targets. Unfortunately the drones aren't very strong, so what it can defend itself against is limited. And its drone bay is sort of a weakness too because using it means forgoing a warp core stabilizer due to the penalty to drone bandwidth it gives.

It's got decent tank for a frigate, but then again if anyone brings anything above frigate sized it won't matter. It can't use an interdiction nullifier so it's more vulnerable to bubbles than a covert ops, though it can align much faster which makes it safer in places that don't have bubbles. It is however a slower frigate, so most others with the same prop mod can catch it.

It warps slower than a covert ops too and the rig slots usually don't get used for warp speed since it needs to use them for combat, which also means you're not putting on a scan strength rig. It lacks the scan deviation bonus so it can't reliably jump from an 8 AU scan to a 1 AU scan like the Anathema/Buzzard/Metamorphosis.

I just find it hard to justify paying 60m+ for a frigate that will still go down to any destroyer or assault frigate. I suppose it does have the advantage that if you're quick you can initiate warp as soon as something decloaks or warps in and your fast align will let you escape so it's more likely to survive in some ways compared to other ships while hacking. I wish it was cheaper or had a couple of extra high slots and leaned more into the combat side of the ship, a pair of extra turrets would make it a great hunter since it would actually have the DPS to kill things. It already has tons of mids to fit tackle and other support modules with. For the same price, I could get 3-4 covert ops or get a different pirate frigate like the Garmur.

>>1783000
I guess one thing going for the Astero is you can use it as an alpha, if you're desperate for the hacking bonus and don't care about being without a cloaking device.

The Metamorphosis is, at least right now, a cheaper alternative that's actually got the strongest scan deviation bonus of any ship in the game so you can pinpoint things pretty quickly with it. Lesser combat skill but then again you probably weren't buying a covert ops for combat anyway.

>Garmur
reported

slow /eog/ day

whats the grind everyone, what are you doing in game rn?

what is the lore on the /eog/ corp and why dont we have a wormholer group

I have one of these but i need to find a time to pop it, as with biology it can last 12 days, and i dont tend to go 12 days where i will have no chance of being podded

>>1783521
You do realize that boosters aren't implants right? They are active until the end of duration on that character regardless of the number of times you get podded.

>>1783493
anon theres been a /dog/ wh corp for over ten years now

>wormholes

>>1783548
what is /dog/ - and who do i speak to

>>1783493
>whats the grind everyone, what are you doing in game rn?
I am just a humble Eris salesman.

>what is the lore on the /eog/ corp and why dont we have a wormholer group
The /eog/ corp has been a wormholer group since 2014, our glory days are long gone because everyone got old and stopped playing the game. The few people that are still around are still living in wormholes and doing industry. (that's where the Erises are coming from).

>>1783665
>what is the lore on the /eog/ corp and why dont we have a wormholer group
It's been so long I barely even remember the days when we were actually doing things.

>>1783665
ok but can i join

>>1783672
No, we are strictly a retirement home now.
You'll have to make a new one.

>1783493
there's like 20 of us homie.... we ain't doing shit.
the days of xxpizzaxx are ogre

>>1783521
As the other guy said, those boosters specifically don't care if you die or not. I self destruct regularly with them running.
>>1783695
Everyone seems pretty scattered. A few of us went to Black Rise Matters which is also a retirement home now. Many have quit over the years.
Still some people in Oruze and All-Out.
Idk about the pizza guys?

>>1783744
ok but when do we birth a new one and get back in there

>>1783493
I'm so fucking broke. I had 10bil in my wallet last week, but I've lost basically all of it. I started fucking around with trig industry and a couple faction modules. Plus I have a ton of isk currently sitting in contracts that haven't moved. I can't even do any industry this weekend because I have to go camping all weekend. I'm just going to do full research while I'm gone. Hoping I come back Monday to some sells, fully researched BPOs and moved contracts.

I felt on top of the world with 10 bil in my wallet. This sucks.

i want to set up in a wormhole for reactions, but no other content
is there some sort of organization i can pay "rent" to for helping defend structures?
like i just want someone i can pay a few B a month that will show up to defend a structure when needed

>>1783871
lets make our own corp and do it

>>1783839
Go for it man. I'm just trying out a new corp in Guristas FW right now.
I don't know what you'd want to see out of a 4chan corp? Wormholes? Lowsec? Null?

>>1783871
join all-out and pay me a few bil every month to use our reactor

>>1783871
Wormlife has a bunch of wormhole stations, some with reactors. You can always pay the fuel costs to add your own reactor to any of their Athanors.

>>1784128
all-outs reactor is better than any gay public athanor

>>1783493
>what are you doing in game rn?
burnt out on null and considering dropping corp to move back into highsec and daytrip into wormholes

>>1784128
i assume they have tax, or will have so many others doing reactions the system index will be garbage
what does index max out at anyways? when i had 90 jobs going a day it got up to 4% or something iirc

>>1784138
Index is low because a lot of public players don't do reactions that regularly. I believe reactor tax is .5% and POCO tax is 4.5%. If you really are worried about the index, just put a reactor on a hole that doesn't have one already so it'll start at 0.

Index technically has no cap, but index tax is calculated by sqrt[(Industry done in System) / (Industry done in the entire game)]. Basically means all systems will develop some index cost but unless you're Jita it usually won't be stupidly high.

>>1784160
Also, index tax only calculates from the last 30 days of use. Any system that sits completely unused for 30 days will drop to almost 0% again. There seems to be some floor.

>>1784160
>just put a reactor on a hole that doesn't have one already so it'll start at 0.
by this do you mean put one into a structure, or deploy my own athanor? does wormlife let you do that?

>>1784175
>does wormlife let you do that?
yes
ask them, they're pretty chill guys
has to be freeported and signed over to them though afaik so your indexes will get pumped hard

>>1784184
ah, i thought you meant i could throw up my own athanor in one of their systems

so what you're saying is, i can find an empty system, put up an athanor, transfer it to them, and they'll protect it?

>>1784138
>what does index max out at anyways?
100% i think
it doesnt scale linearly though, to get 100% you'd need literally every single reaction job anywhere to be installed in that system
with 60 slots running continuously i pump indexes to 3.5%. with ~200 jobs running continuously it only goes up to 4.5%.
unless you're reacting in nullbab staging indexes are practically a non-issue

>>1784193
>i can find an empty system, put up an athanor, transfer it to them, and they'll protect it?
no, only systems they already have a freeport in

>>1784198
>no, only systems they already have a freeport in
gotcha
ok i think i'll have to check out their discord
i lived in a class 2 for like 6 months until i got evicted by a corp that had an old offline control tower in there

i ended up setting up in a completely empty class 1, and ended up getting attacked after a week or two by a small group (i maybe could have fought them off but i'm retarded and had my reinforcement timer set for the middle of the night)

>>1784175
You can install modules on any structure so long as you provide the module and the fuel to run it, and there's space available of course.

You can deploy your own structure and you don't have to freeport it, but you're limited to medium structure and they won't allow structures to be deployed past a certain limit. The militia also won't form for defending them, at least officially.

>>1784206
The reason for basing out of a freeport is basically you want to do thing in wormhole space but you don't have enough people in your corp to handle the logistics yourself. Wormlife Freeports are sort of a middle ground where you can squat in the structure, do wormhole stuff, and you don't have to worry about fueling them or being able to defend them. When you get 15 or so active players, that's when it's time to move out and set up your own station.

Sometimes the structures do get blown up. The last freeport that exploded though was in 2023 at the Sophocles Freeport when Proudly Snoring attacked, supported by Wormhole Rats and Fromage along with INIT regulars. I don't think any of the other systems have exploded since then, though there was a huge push by Shadow Cartel to take down a system but they couldn't force their way past 150 militiamen and mercenaries.

>>1784251
logistics for a station are no problem for me solo did it for 6 months, it's just the defence part, but maybe you include that with "logistics"

lol shadow cartel are the ones who evicted me from my c2, the bulk of it was one guy with about 30 accounts flying eos, it was really gay desu

>>1784312
or go full Nomad life and live out of a cloaked Porpoise w/ Mobile Depot.

>>1784312
I consider logistics to be the bringing in fuel, bringing in defense ships, and charting exits every day. Then again, despite living in a wormhole, I'm pretty active throughout a lot of empire space too so that's what makes things difficult. A lot of the trouble is that none of that is really hard (I get on twice a day to scan before and after work and mark exits for everyone), it's that when I want a day off from scanning or whatever I know there's no one for everything to fall back on.

A Wormlife system doesn't have that problem. If I want to go AFK for three months, someone is taking care of fuel and defense for me. I can take breaks and don't have to worry about anything.

hory sheet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_XCNxNMfhg

>>1780125 (OP)
used to play this game like 22 years ago
that is all

>>1784137
Null just started a major war with potential other wars on the horizon. Probably the worst time to do something else. Plenty of tent.

>>1784323
do not do this
its retarded as fuck

>>1784351
no it isn't

>>1784338
thats nothing
dozens more tidi grindfests are incoming. pilots on both sides will enjoy weeks of shooting once every ten minutes with 2000 other people they don't know and some retarded fc going all-out maximum spin trying to keep the boomers awake and the zoomers from getting distracted by subway surfer tiktoks.
only 200b killed so far is disappointing to say the least. thats like 1 titan.

>>1784353
yes it is

>>1784359
no it's not

>>1784366
in fact it is

>>1784368
it most certainly is not, my good man

>>1784359
Goons are feeling pretty smug so far. I'm thinking Horde is going to end up ceding space. idk if it's going to end there or Horde will strike back in any meaningful way.

Not sure how these things typically play out. Horde only shifted their staging to G-Q last week. Goons have been planning this war for awhile.

>>1784370
It sounds like a shitty way to live.

>>1784370
truthfully it is a terrible, unfun way to play that quickly gets boring

its just roleplaying cloakybastard while actually just spending all your time hacking relics and huffing gas

>>1780164
i wanted to just mine ice in this game, but always there is some asshole in a tiny ship who tries to gank you even in highsec. sometimes they succeed.
if the game did not have such cancerous, mindless cruelty i would ice mine and chill. alas, this game is all about bringing out the worst intentions in people.

>>1784386
Yes this. When you HAVE TO carry all the loot with you at all times you are not going to take interesting risks.

>>1784387
Join a nullbloc.

>>1784387
The potential to get murdered at any time in any space is what keeps it interesting

>>1784405
too much pressure for me
my friend relates this memory he has of me screaming and cursing as i tried to get out of a bubble. i barely remember this but i believe him, the game always felt super high stakes.
i'm too old for that shit. reality is enough excitement.

>>1784387
Most risk adverse way to mine ice is to grab an Endurance and mine in high sec. With perfect skills, the ship and fitting will pay for itself in around 30 minutes.

You can join a null bloc for protection or ship replacement, or join a public fleet for mining which has SRP. Wormlife had one advertised last Saturday for a normal mining fleet with SRP and there will probably be another one advertised for the 14th.

>>1784393
>>1784405
its the orca/porpoise and tower that make it pointless. you're never far enough from kspace to make it worthwhile and your only benefit over dropping an upwell structure is a short (un)anchor time

also i hate that nomad tale cuck more than you could ever imagine

>>1784442
>also i hate that nomad tale cuck more than you could ever imagine
why? those videos were entertaining

>>1784444
yeah i love watching some guy wax pseudo intellectual bs for an hour while mining gas
truly peak entertainment

>>1784450
sounds kino

>>1784450
this but unironically

>>1784450
shit maybe i'll watch it

cute lil wormhole corp where

>>1784579
But that's not a wormhole system, it has asteroid belts in it.

Does this game still suck?
Is everything still too expensive?

>>1784608
Only if you’re a poor.

/eog/ is strictly #nopoors

>>1784608
yes
yes
play anyway

>>1784608
too expensive for me, or too expensive for elon musk?

>>1784608
too expensive for me, or too expensive for a zimbabwean peasant?

>>1784608
too expensive for me, or too expensive for (You)?

fags

get hype

>frontier

My alliance is at war as in getting raped by 20 Supers. Should I get out now or wait?

>>1784802
Kill the supers

>>1784816
With what? Supers in Eve Echoes is fucking bullshit. Fighters there can one-shot you because OP implant and heavy fighters have good applications. It also can tank 200 blops ship with relatively ease. And my alliance is retard who think this is like EO where you can fight Caps with the power of friendship and 100 subcaps. And they still refuse to mass-produce capitals or even getting help from chinese botters just next door.

>echoes
nice bait nigger

>>1784327
>charting exits every day
why would you do this if you're just running reactions

how is this 300mil

>>1784898
its not, i think the est price thing is drunk

>>1784898
i don't understand at all why anyone cares about skins in this game, or profile pics for that matter, you never even see these things as it's pretty much just a text game

t. noskins

wow my skin looks so cool

>>1785002
zoom in dumbass

>>1784830
just take your wallet out and buy your own supers and smart contract controlled turrets?

>>1784726
piece of #### game

how can i have this option persist, i need to do it each time i log

>>1785166
who knows
the ui controls are fucking awful

>>1785030
I enjoy it

>>1785030
i remember when they were talking about a tie-in spinoff for this game like 18 years ago. the idea was they were going to incorporate planets and actions in one game would have consequences in another. corps etc. would be seamlessly integrated between the two.
is this that? did they finally finish it?

>>1786035
are you talking about dust 514
because that shit never really worked and then shut down in 2016

>>1784387
>i wanted to just mine ice in this game, but always there is some asshole in a tiny ship who tries to gank you even in highsec
do it in bumfuckanulla backwater Amarr highsec and you'll mine for literal years without even seeing a ganker.
they only hang around like 10 systems. the trade hubs, the closest ice belts to those trade hubs and the 2-3 mission hubs where running missions is actually worth a damn.

>>1784442
>and your only benefit over dropping an upwell structure
is the fact that POS have like 50x the HP and usually go unnoticed for years at a time.
no-one cares to look for POS, they're used to seeing 20 abandoned ones on dscan.
no-one bothers to siege them down, way too much work for a 200mil isk killmail

>>1784608
>Does this game still suck?
It sucks way less than other MMOs on the market.
>Is everything still too expensive?
depends what you do. Omega pays for itself easy with PI and like 2 hours of actually undocking a week.

>>1786051
Fuckin mine ice in Osmon, fuck the police

>>1786048
yeah that was what it was
surprised it ever launched, sounded way too ambitious

>>1786054
how does this company make money when you can pay for a sub by playing the game

>>1786066
where do you think the plex you're buying comes from

>>1786066
someone somewhere has to buy the item that gives you a month of game time with $$.
if less people buy PLEX then the price of a subscription with ISK goes up.
thanks to global economic/political events the last few years, a lot of 3rdies have had to stop swiping credit cards and pay with ISK, which has reduced supply and increased demand.

can i pay for a monthly sub mining ice
mine ice to pay sub to mine ice, recursive, the snake eats itself, good way to kill time waiting for the singularity.

>>1786116
If all you want to do is mine ice, you don't need a sub. Just buy the expert system that gives you mining barges which gives you the ability to mine ice for a week, it's like 90m ISK.

If you want to pay your sub mining ice exclusively, you're looking at about 40 hours of ice mining to pay for a month with perfect skills, or like an hour and a half per day. You can probably cut that in half if you do PI in high sec to make fuel blocks with.

>>1786117
>perfect skills
assuming im a new player tho. are skills still time-based? that was the reason i quit, felt like a permanent barrier.

>>1786129
Yeah, skills are mostly time based. New accounts can get the first 3m skill points pretty rapidly though, which is why people who make alt accounts don't pull their hair out waiting for them to become useful.

For an ice miner, it takes 256k SP to use the highest yield ice harvester, 256k+1024k SP for perfect barge skills, and then the elite barge needs another 1280k SP on top of that. You can easily get the first barge and perfect ice harvester skills by using the free 1m SP referral and then doing some of the tutorial missions and even work through part of the advanced skill, but you'll still have to train the final level manually which is another 10 or so days even if you burn all of your free skill points.

>>1786066
This nigga 4 real?

>>1786134
so i can make a free account and be mining ice sustainable within a couple weeks? seems really ez.
it's a very zen way to chill out, if it weren't for the gankers. i can do other stuff of course, while i am mining zee ice.

>>1786217
I mean, I mine ice for entertainment myself but it's not really my primary money maker. I just enjoy depleting the ice belts and turning the ice into fuel blocks.

If you're doing it to relax, get the second fastest barge type (Retriever or its bigger version the Mackinaw) which will slow down your mining rate but you won't have to interact with compression as much. You won't make as much money but you can easily tab out and watch TV or whatever. If you're paying for your account through ice mining, there's no reason not to add more accounts and pay for them in the same way since it's trivial to manage additional characters while you mine.

>>1786220
>I mean, I mine ice for entertainment myself but it's not really my primary money maker. I just enjoy depleting the ice belts and turning the ice into fuel blocks.
this is what i crave, the simple life of the ice miner. its good honest work for a good return on investment. i feel a profound philosophical contentment as my productive capacity if bent toward commercial enrichment.

>>1786230
My advice is to just make a free account first and scrounge enough money to get a mining barge expert system from the in game store along with a Retriever. Together both should cost about 160m ISK or so. Then just go to an ice belt in high sec and ask whoever's there for a fleet invite. Don't mine ice in Caldari space, the region Everyshore, or very close to trade hubs like Amarr, Rens, or Hek, go to somewhere off the beaten path like Sinq Laison, Derelik, Genesis, or Kor-Azor where very few people are at.

Ice respawns at server downtime (11:00 UCT) and then after a set time once the belt is mined out. So it's usually up at 11:00, then 20:00, then 05:00 with some jitter based on how fast people mined it out. Ice belts in wormhole and low security space are virtually always up but you need an Endurance to get anything from it safely.

>>1786252
Which C13? I'm only missing two of them.

>boarded a Rokh
>noticed that the sticking out bridge bit is mirrored onto the other side now
What the fuck, CCP? Stop fucking with Caldari asymmetry already. I don't care if it makes it easier to create skins, just stop it. When did this happen anyway, this feels like a very recent change.

>>1786255
was linked to my corp hh idk anymore lost the connection

>Caldari

>>1787007
Bridges should never be visible anyway.

>>1786116
I mean you 'could' but itd be shit.
Realistically just do 30min overtime at your job and pay for the sub. Its like $10-12 a month during a sale.
Thats one pint of beer at your local bar.
Then you're free to do whatever you want, mine ice and spend that isk on shit you actually want to instead of paying space rent to a game developer.

Also remember there's an Ice Mining expert system that lets you mine ice on an alpha for 7 days for like 60mil isk, which you can make back in an hour doing basically anything.

>>1786129
>that was the reason i quit, felt like a permanent barrier.
It feels like it when you're new, but after 6-12 months of playing all your skills turn into 2-months to train one level of something you never use or give an extremely inconsequential bonus so it doesnt matter.
Ultimately, skillpoints dont matter much and the only things that hold you back are how much isk you have and your knowledge of the game.

>>1786217
>if it weren't for the gankers
Just literally dont
>mine ice afk
>mine in areas that gankers visit

Use dotlan and look for a quiet ice mining system far away from ganker-heavy areas. Check the killboards for that system and see how regularly it gets ganks.
Most gankers only hang out within 5 jumps of a Trade Hub or a lv4 SOE/Thukker agent.
Add ganking corps to your contact list and set them to RED so you see them in local. If you're using more than 2 braincells you can be in warp to the station long before they land in the ice belt.

Congrats, you'll mine for years and never lose a ship.

>>1787007
>Stop fucking with Caldari asymmetry already
Devs are obsessed with making every ship symmetrical and look like generic jet fighter slop because reddit bullies them into doing this shit.

https://youtu.be/P5c4wW1vdvQ?si=7_Y61ZbQLWiB8CtP
GET HYPE

>1788380
Dont care Hilmar I'm not installing your crypto scam Eve Echoes clone

>>1788380
The aesthetics are cool but I am not going to hype about
A) Crypto slop
B) Cannibalizing the already small playerbase

Eve confessions
I actually dont mind Eve Galactic Conquest, its better than most phoneslop

>>1788430
Same here, I genuinely love the abandoned megastructure exploration theme it seems to have going on but fuck crypto bullshit.

>>1788508
that would work much better as a singleplayer game

guys what if
now I know this might sound crazy
but what if
just bear with me
what if you could jump through gates (but not ansi) in null even with weapon/aggression timers? just like the wormholes!
how fun would that be huh?

>>1788562
>replace existing play/counterplay with nothing
you should work at ccp

I just bought a shit ton of Worms, like 80 of them. What do I do with them?

>>1788587
>boring shit retarded mechanics in this dead 20 year old game are play/counterplay

kys you're self

>>1788591
can them

>>1788594
your gay
wormholes have polarization to prevent stupid session timer games. gates have aggro timers. your thoughts?

>>1788597
>your thoughts?
Remove polarization timers as well.

>>1788601
i'm not convinced

wormholes are garbage

On the autist scale how autistic is Eve

yes

>>1788691
There are parts that a monkey rolling over keyboard can do, and then you have the "I need three external tools to use it proplerly" stuff

>>1788691
It's as autistic as you make it. Honestly the surprising thing about the higher end of Eve gameplay is just how casual it is. I'm in high class wormhole space now and it's not even remotely as autistic as top tier mythic raiding was in WoW. The closest thing Eve has to that level of autism is the really serious high class wormhole evictions, but those are so rare that it barely counts, you'll maybe get one a year.

stop talking about wormholes

No

fuck all-out and fuck satori and fuck johnny

>>1789197
no u
satori was based

>>1789036
A lot of EVE is just a knowledge check. You need to spend a long time internalizing complicated and specific mechanics to understand what's up. The actual execution isn't too complicated.

>>1789384
he did jamal dirty, i will never forgive shartori

Sorry bros but I like Frontier. Don't care about crypto shit. Plex is just dishonest crypto.

>>1789868
It's funny when people say this because much like politics crypto cares about you, and it WILL shit down your throat. It WILL ruin the game. However bad you think the RMT and botting is in EVE, it's going to be ten thousand times worse.

>>1789881
I don't care about RMT and botting honestly. I buy ISK and plex sometimes. And not from CCP cucks. If killing bot will make Chang lose his legit $ per hour It's even better. The stakes will be high. The rage will be high. All they need to do is
>no p2w shit you can buy only with real money
>I pay for sub/fuel once and that's it

>>1789906
Uh, goodluck then I guess, I hope you have fun anon.

>I buy ISK and plex sometimes

fucking lmao

>>1789927

EF looks worse than eve but a lot of the systems would be very interesting additions to EO (which needs a complete rework of some basic stimulation and game design features)

>>1789496
Tbf some of the best pvpers are literally 40 year old dads who just have autistic encyclopaedia knowledge of the game and can tell instantly by a quick glance at a ship at how exactly an engagement is going to go.

None of it involves high apm, its stare at ship, "oh he's blaster fit I guess I keep range and neut him out."

>>1790004
>None of it involves high apm, its stare at ship
Just watch ibeast.

isk price from russians is $2.65/b
tomorrow i will make $200 in isk without giving russians a dime
get pooped on faggot

So whats up with eve frontier? is that eve 2.0

>>1790036
No. It's more of a survival horror MMO-thing. It has some overlap but, is extremely feature barren compared to EVE.

Do they really expect people to play what is still essentially EO under the hood in current year?

>>1790028
I don't understand

>>1790036
Eve where you can't anchor and press F1 mindlessly because firing arcs matter and game has friendly fire. You can hide behind asteroids, megastructure and other ships. Too hard for /eog/.

>>1790141
I mean all of that is cool but I'm not playing a game that has 5% of the content + crypto bucks burning at all times when undocked in order to play it.

>>1790141
are there drones?

>>1790119
what is hard to understand
tomorrow i will make 75b isk
if i bought 75b from russians it would cost $200

>>1790151
No drones in beta as I remember. It also will be modable like Second Life. Don't expect release until 2029-2030.

I'm grinding Caldari state standings to start the Guristas epic arc, to fix my Guristas standings, to enlist in Gurmil.
Someone tell me there's a better way than this.
Yes, I need to do direct enlistment, so I can't just do this through a corp.

>>1790468
just run missions for guristas to fix your guristas standings.
you can always run lv1 missions for any faction/corp, even serpentis, angels, blood raiders etc
I grinded -7 serpentis back to positive in a couple of nights, wasnt too hard.

>Tried marauder krabbing for the first time in ages
>mfw it fucking sucks
>Vargur barely tops 40km range with Hail, 10 second reload, only 2400 DPS, have to drop bastion for 30 sec to refit

Why do people claim these are overpowered again?

I just welped 3 frigates (2 Tristan's and a comet) in faction warfare and learned nothing. What ships should I lose next to learn something next time.

>>1790571
You can die a hundred times and learn nothing because the game doesn't tell you shit.
Join fleets, don't try to solo fight until you've got a couple hundred kills.

>>1790545
Because retards keep feeding fleets to le elite youtubers

>>1790571
Honestly, people who say FW is a good way to learn PvP are retarded. PvP in FW plexes is almost entirely different to PvP in the rest of the game, and frigate 1v1s are entirely different to any other form of PvP. There's no bubbles for the most part, so you're dealing with people with multi-billion isk pods for their <100m ship, and you're punching in from an acceleration gate, which means fights happen at much closer range than anywhere else aside from wormhole fights.

The vast majority of PvP in Eve falls into one of two categories - Non consensual ganks, and big fleet blobs. A distant third is nano gangs fighting big response fleet blobs. FW 1v1's teach you basically nothing that helps in any of those.
Join one of the bigger FW groups if you actually want to learn. Scouting, fleet comps, cyno mechanics and ranges. All important.

>>1790545
>he fell for the vargur meme

This post was fact checked by a real amarrian patriot, if it’s not lasers I don’t want anything to do with it.

Real talk tho marauders aren’t broken what’s broken are XLASB and being able to stay alive for literally hours even when it’s like 10 vs 1.

It’s why you’ll barely see Paladins in PvP, all the marauders are fucking vargurs just face tanking for literal centuries. Sure you can damp him and he won’t do shit but you’re still forced to beat his ass until he runs out of sticks to chew on.

>marauders aren't broken

One singular gallente t1 cruiser can damp a marauder to the point they are a disabled dribbling retard.

This is a social game, get some friends, failing that, multibox a celestis.

>>1790571
FW solo pvp is pretty much rock-paper-scissors depending on the ship/fit you are flying. When facing other ships/fits you must consider that there are some you can easily blap, others which will give you a balanced fight and others that are your hard counter and will obliterate you (assuming the opponent isn't braindead)
The key is to know what your enemy is flying before you commit to a fight. Don't engage in fights you can't win or easily gtfo from if things go south. Unless you are willing to get blown up.

Some pointers:
>Don't try to punch above your weight class when your are starting out (engaging destroyers or t2 frigs in a t1 frig, etc...).
>Don't go beyond 1v1 fights.
>Don't attack people in plexes. Start out by defending only, so you can easily have the range advantage at the beginning of the fight if someone decides to warp in.
>Learn how the most common fw ships are fit and flown: a Slicer will almost always be a mwd kiter and sit at disruptor range, a comet will most likely be a brawler that sits at the beacon waiting to scram and web when someone warps in, etc...
>Avoid to put yourself in situations that will most likely end with you at brawler range in a kiting ship and vice-versa (e.g. when flying a slicer, warping in a plex with a comet in it)
>Learn to visually identify ship guns using the "look at" function
>Use zkillboard to get an idea on how skilled is the player you are facing and what fit he might be currently using with the ship that he is flying.
>Also use zkillboard to get you fits. Don't trust what le maymay reddit youtuber "eve partner" said in a video 5 years ago. Base your fits on what current best FW players are flying.

Who else here hates fucking frat chink bots?

Came back to Angelmil FW and shit, it's nearly unplayable during the china timezone with all the awoxing that is going on.

Why nullblocks haven't kicked them out of the server yet?

>>1790619
You answered your own question.

China time zone tanks to such a degree that can only be matched by Australians, except there’s only like 20 Australians and like 50 bazillion chinks.

>One singular gallente t1 cruiser can damp a marauder to the point they are a disabled dribbling retard.
marauders are not weaker to damps than t1 battleships. and you don't tend to run into player celestises when earning silly money krabbing

>>1790610
whats broken about them

>70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay
>Can fit Bastion modules

>scrammed

>that makes it ok

>implying it doesn't

>>1790670
>3 spare highs to neut off scrams

theres always like 15 tackle

>>1790472
Given how long this is taking maybe I should be just running L1s out in Null. But I feel like I'm going to spend a lot of time trying to not get shot.
>>1790619
Yeah basically timezone makes them unattackable so may as well make friends with them. Just join a corp that wardecs the big farming corps and then farm the farmers and steal their sites.
I'm in Black Rise but, I spend a lot of time slaughtering the local farming changs.

what's a good apoc fit for fighting marauders

>>1790791
Use a recon ship so you’re not on dscan.

>>1790800
That's a good idea but I'm not sure whether I want to inject them right now.
I was currently thinking assault frigate or T3D. I have a bunch of stuff in Zarzakh so it should be relatively easy to reship for me too.

>>1790806
Just get a Jackdaw and do L1 missions in npc null. Instawarp and absolutely obliterates light tackle, huge range, blasts l1 missions super fast, and it's not even expensive.

>>1790796
The fit is you don’t use an apocalypse because it is an Indian tier ship.

it should be fine though since marauders are balanced right

>>1790818
I'll look into it, thanks. Do you have a specific fit in mind? Besides damage selection, is there a big reason to go Jackdaw over the Confessor?

I think I'm going to enlist with Angel Cartel for the moment so that I can get my medical clone in Zarzakh too, while I work on Gur standings.

>>1790796
You bring 4 apocs. Unless it's a Paladin in which case you kneel

>>1790796
what

>>1790796
propless apoc, 1-2 neuts, conflag pulses, max therm/kin resists vs kronos/vindicator, rep+ancillary rep.

>>1788380
Cool trailer. Gotta give them that.

>>1788508
I don't think they're expecting people to buy tokens in the way people buy shitcoins today. Most people will be buying digital clones or a plex tier item that they use. Granted, I'm sure there will be plenty of people speculating trying to get rich.

>>1788591
Go fishin', bud.

>>1788594
>dead 20 year old game
Has eve ever been in a better spot than it currently is? Genuine question.

>>1788691
Choose your level of autism.

You can just chill and shoot rocks or npcs. Or you could go full blown combat autist and Fleet Command massive blobs in null.

Other options are grug tier courier contracts to owning a library of spreadsheets that track your industrial empire.

>>1790619
I hate chinks more than goons who I'm currently at war with.

i filled 300 extractors today
my wrist hurts

does anyone even bother to play after slamjam biomassed

>>1793139
I'm having fun!

>Wormhole cleared down to just our two statics when I went to bed, no signatures or anomalies up except for a couple of ore sites
>Plan to strip mine them in the morning when I get up
>Wake up to 9 signatures, seven of which are wormholes
>There's a Bifrost flying around the system from somewhere else

>>1792322
>Has eve ever been in a better spot than it currently is?

"EVE is dying" Has been a meme for the game's entire lifetime, but it IS an undisputable fact that the number of actual living human beings playing the game has been going down year after a year. And as the number of actual people goes down the number of average accounts per player goes up.

CCP says the average number of accounts per player is something like 2.5, but I wonder what that number would for for ACTIVE playerbase. And then, I wonder what that number will look like in 5 years.

Nothing lasts forever. NOTHING.

>>1793255
CCP is in kind of a precarious position with EVE.

Ideally, the game would have one person, one account, the world would be this busy sort of place full of people plying their niche in the ecosystem where everything gets filled. Market forces would attract people to in game professions where the most money is made which would solve market issues of supply and demand. A large number of groups would own territory in nullsec with the biggest empires being three to four constellations filled with people doing things. Players would talk to each other and play together doing things they like and that sort of natural communication and relationship would rule the day.

Instead, players have decided the easiest way to play the game is not with other people but with extra accounts. After all, when you have five characters, you don't have to trust others in your fleet. You don't have to worry about people having the right skillset for content. Schedules don't need to line up. You can buy luxury items for your main with all the income you get and ignore the rest. Overall, you just make a whole lot more ISK for less effort.

Alliances take advantage of this fact by having relatively few actual people be power players that hold things together. They field 5000 character fleets but those fleets are usually comprised of people playing two, three, five, or ten+ accounts. Industry is completely borked, with the only way the demand for materials is even partially met is through mass multiboxing and outright botting.

The worse thing is CCP sees this state of affairs and opts to continue down that path. It's only logical, they state, to preserve the whales they have than work on trying to attract new blood to an already established game, especially ones where the design is stacked against them. This further concentrates power in the hands of whales who use their influence to push the game to favor them even more.

>>1793260
EVE turns profits because the game itself is relatively easy to maintain and the amount of active subscriptions keeps the lights on, but as these multiboxers eventually get tired and quit, it can quickly shift to a net loss. The playbase is not organic in the same way a traditional MMO would be. Unfortunately, the designs that enable and encourage multiboxing are so intrinsic to EVE nothing short of a full overhaul of the game would ever change it, which is why CCP attempts so many spinoffs so not all of their value is tied to one game. But they don't understand how to bring the things that brought people to EVE in the first place into a new game, and so they keep floundering.

>>1793263
The fuck is an organic playerbase if not a game that's 22 years old and still has a healthy amount of players. I absolutely detest zoom zooms like this with the 2 minute hype cycle where game has to be the biggest in the planet or it's dead and every MMO goes from hype to dying in like 2 days in their eyes.

>>1793265
Fuck off with your retarded bullshit, even a blind man could see that EVE is on the downward trend of actual humans playing the game. About the only major significant gain in players its had in recent years was when China jumped over to Tranquility, with the release of abyssal deadspace being the only other big bump.

I don't know what you hope to gain by burying your head in the sand and ignoring the problem, if the game continues on its current path it will just keep hemorrhaging players. What's going to happen when null is mostly a handful of guys flying 30 characters each per alliance? We're already seeing that in some aspects.

>>1793265
>healthy amount of players
For a whale-powered corean 10+ year old grindfest MMO you would maaaaybe be correct. Maybe. Even that's a reach.

For an actual MMO, these are rookie numbers. So as this guy >>1793270 said. Fuck of with your retarded bullshit.

>>1793270
So what? Can you name me a game that is at least half as old as EVE and doesn't have a "downward trend of actual humans playing the game". Games grow old and people stop playing, is this news? No. Is EVE exceptionally well off with this metric, yes.
What is your definition of an organic playerbase?

>>1793273
Again please point out a game that you think your argument holds true. Don't just sling shit, provide a comparison that meets your definitions of good enough and why on which metric.

>>1793278
There's a number of games with stable populations despite their age. Ironically, WoW's hit that point where despite dropping in player count over the last decade, the last few years have seen it stay stable. XIV had a big spike of players four years ago although dwindling numbers now (Although Square-Enix announces Dawntrail has the highest number of concurrent subscriptions out of any expansion, I don't know if I believe that). Path of Exile is another one that's hit a very steady average population, although it spikes during league release events and dwindles as they progress.

The big problem of EVE is that it's more affected by players than any other one of these games. EVE is a game that absolutely needs people playing it to simulate a living, breathing world, without critical mass the entire simulation falls apart. Resources don't get mined, ships don't get built, market orders don't get filled, nothing works without the effort of an army of players going about their routine. The other games I mentioned previously, all of them can run with just a couple hundred people playing, or in PoE's case, run solo.

That's why it's of dire importance that CCP continue to pursue players over boxes as the game continues, only a growth in actual playercount will keep the game going. EVE's got a specific niche in gaming and nothing else really fills it in the same way or has the history it does, which is why CCP needs to do everything in their power to sustain it.

>>1793278
The point isn't "downward trend of people". Every game goes through initial large number of people that falls off with time. The problems are the speed at which the number of people falls off; how much that number can be slowed down and the methods by which a developer does so; and the absolute number of people playing the game.

Some MMO where you just team up with a bunch of people to do raids or whatever it doesn't matter much if the number of people playing it goes down from 2m to 100k. Most people will be at the endgame anyways and just have their groups/mates to do endgame raids with.

Problem is when you have an MMO where other aspects of the game are absolutely dependant on having a certain number of people playing it and doing those things. Once that number falls under a certain treshold, it's basically a death spiral.

Best I can do is a crypto scam.

>Resources don't get mined, ships don't get built, market orders don't get filled
ships exploding also used to be an important part of the game

>>1793295
WoW is in downward trend of actual humans, post discarded and not read.

>>1793297
>The point isn't "downward trend of people".
If you don't think that's the point then why do you respond with that point front and center.
>The problems are the speed at which the number of people falls off
Then present this case, provide a game that is loosing players slower than EVE

>>1793303
Market activity scales with players too. If there's fewer people playing then you need fewer resources to be mined and the markets need less stuff to be built and less orders are required to fill the demand. For EVE markets to work the thing that needs to stay constant is the ratio of industrialists vs pvp players and the productivity of each, which CCP can tune if it gets bad and the market system auto tunes itself by raising prices off items that are in under supply.
It's largely a meaningless point on any scale EVE has ever operated or will operate.

>>1793311
>why do you respond with that point front and center
That wasn't my point front and center.
>Then present this case, provide a game that is loosing players slower than EVE
You mean faster? Because there's plenty of those old korean grindfests that are still clinging onto their whales.

What would YOU consider a healthy amount of players of a game such as EVE to be? Actual players, NOT characters.

>>1793311
Provide evidence to the contrary or fuck off.

>>1793315
Industry is not 1:1 with demand. It takes a critical mass of players for industry to be preformed in EVE: To field a big enough fleet, to sustain the facilities for production, to operate the logistical lines, all of it needs many hands. Everything breaks down without enough people. Industry is an exponential curve.

Not so with demand though, demand is mostly linear. One person in EVE generates X amount of demand for resources.

they should delete half of space so there's more player interaction

>>1793319
>What would YOU consider a healthy amount of players of a game such as EVE to be? Actual players, NOT characters.
Don't flip the script, you whined about it, you provide an example that satisfies you. I think EVE has healthy amount of players right now, what ever the player count happens to be at any given moment.

>>1793320
I did

>>1793323
That's just wrong though. There's very few exponential mechanics, mostly just are you able to afford the good structure and a good mining ship and solo players can afford those easily. A single person mining mines about as much as any other no matter if there's 1000 people or 10k people online at the time. Any given line of production produces exactly as much no matter how many of those are running across the universe in parallel etc. It's all very linear.

>>1793327
But it's not. This is why most mining activity is found in nullsec, where the fleet sizes are big enough to make it effective and the whole reason scarcity fell apart. The current meta is heavily focused on large fleets in null mining with Rorqual support and a response fleet available to save them. If you take those things away because you can't get enough players, industry breaks down.

We had a whole five years of witnessing that, that when you take away large fleet sizes and security, it just doesn't get done.

>>1793327
>you provide an example that satisfies you
Fine. I think EVE should have at least 60k players (actual players not characters) concurrent. So double the numbers at least. There'd be much more conflict going around.

>>1793331
>fleet sizes are big enough
Fleet size doesn't give any inherent advantage beyond the ability to have a booster in the fleet which is easily affordable as a solo player. The mining rate per character is exactly the same after that, in fact more people lowers the mining rate as you have to waste more time swapping sites. It fundamentally doesn't matter if there's 20 guys mining or 1 guy mining, the 20 guys just make 20 times more minerals and then consume 20 times the stuff.

The only reason null blobs do the most mining in big blobs is because that protects them the best, but get this if there's less people there's also smaller fleets of attackers. The need for defense scales with the scale of the attackers linearly.

>>1793334
No I mean a game that satisfies your arbitrary conditions. It's totally irrelevant what you think EVE's playerbase should be, I want you to provide an example of a game that you think isn't dying because your argument can simply be dismissed in it's entirety if you believe all games are dying.

>>1793343
>I want you to provide an example of a game that you think isn't dying
XIV
WoW (despite the game being shit)
Warframe
PoE
LoL

Granted some of those are F2P so it's not completely fair, but I'd argue that EVE almost qualifies as F2P at this point as well.

>>1793347
All of those games are dying

>>1793351
Nope.

your dying retard

>>1793343
As you said, the booster alone increases efficiency for bigger fleets. The more characters you have in fleet, the less you have to divide the payouts to support the booster. A single miner has to split their pay 50% to pay the booster while 9 characters all only have to give 10% of what they mine to pay the booster. 49 people only pay out 2% of their mined amounts to pay the booster an even split. As you go up, the number matters less, but organic fleets that only have 3-4 people in them feel the "booster tax" more acutely than larger groups, which is the case when you have small fleets spread out among multiple systems.

There's also the issue of fleet logistics where having someone move ore/ice/gas to a dockup is a role that can serve a larger group but still gets filled even in a small fleet. Again, it's taxing on small groups moreso than bigger ones.

On top of that, when you get to moon mining, no one wants to risk an Orca or Rorqual on grid for 3-4 miners; there's absolutely no way such a small group would make running such a big ship feasible to recoup its cost. And if you can't run a Rorqual on moons, your mined amount drops so much that you're better off doing other activities instead of mining. The only way it doesn't fall into this is if prices rise to the point where someone can mine without compression and Rorq boosts, which massively drives up the prices on things.

Intel channels are filled by the number of players in an area report enemy movements, the less players you have the more spotty the intel. And less players means a smaller response fleet on average and one that's available less times, while attacking fleets have the advantage of hitting critical mass when they undock. Even if their attacks occur less frequently, they're more deadly when they do and there's out there to defend you. Defenders are also something that just needs to push away the enemy fleet, one T3C can guard a single miner or a whole fleet against a lone attacker.

Just proved a method for reliably spawning wormholes in certain parts of space. I can now spawn high sec exits in C5s (from the C5 side) at will. Basically lets me freighter stuff out whenever I want now.

>>1793231
Anon…….

That’s not how wormholes work, you cannot assume that the system is going to be clear after half the day is gone.

You should’ve mined after criting the statics, sleep is for the weak.

>>1793369
>booster
Again that scales down all the way until you have literally couple dozen miners left in the game, the servers will shut down far before that.

>There's also the issue of fleet logistics where having someone move ore/ice/gas to a dockup is a role that can serve a larger group but still gets filled even in a small fleet. Again, it's taxing on small groups moreso than bigger ones.
Logistics doesn't offer benefits to player efficiency. It's a matter of convenience and safety more than anything.

>moon mining
Again that scales down to such a low player count that the servers will shut down before players loose the ability mine moons. It's not effected by scale of the groups. Not to mention risks of losing ships drops as player counts drop linearly. Of course a small group won't do it when big groups exists but small group will do it when only small groups exists.

>Intel channels are filled by the number of players in an area report enemy movements, the less players you have the more spotty the intel. And less players means a smaller response fleet on average and one that's available less times,
Attacks scale down proportionally. In fact intel channels like this are cancerous to begin with and the game would be objectively better without them but that's besides the point. "critical mass" is just dependent on the expected defenses.

All of these things function perfectly well with just thousand players, let alone tens of thousands and none of them offer significant exponential gains the same way going from trying to smelt steel in a clay oven to doing it an electric arf furnace. Even if these effects exists, which I say that they don't, but even if they do we are talking about few % points not like 10x increases. If the mining efficiency drops a whopping 20% then CCP can just give minerals a 20% bonus and that entirely balances this imaginary problem.

>>1790791
>But I feel like I'm going to spend a lot of time trying to not get shot.
if you're Omega just do it in an Interceptor like a Claw or something.
If you're Alpha, just do them in cheap nano frigates like an Atron or Kestrel, make a bunch of bookmarks around gates, safe spots and around stations and get in the habit of warping to the ping bookmarks randomly (never the same ones all the time).
Frigate with a ECCM script Sensor Booster is so difficult to scan down that nullfags wont bother, and if you get caught in a bubble or w/e it doesnt matter, you lost a frig that cost less than 1mil.

>>1790571
Download the Eve Frigate Yearbook PDF and read it.
Its really helpful. Itll help you understand fits, match-ups and the 3 main strats (brawling, scram-kiting, kiting) and what they're good and bad against.

>>1790629
>except there’s only like 20 Australians
there's way more of us than that, but we know the chinese give shitty fights so we dont waste our time.
eventually winning 10v50's against Chinese multiboxxers gets old and you go elsewhere for better fights elsewhere.

>>1790796
Is this a reference to the "Making power plays in my Navy Apoc" meme /eog/ was pushing 6 months ago?

>>1790806
Interceptors bro. I ran Serpentis/Angel missions in Curse in one for a while and if you fly correctly there's shit all the chinese multiboxxing NPCnullfags can do about you.

>>1793265
>with the 2 minute hype cycle where game has to be the biggest in the planet or it's dead
this has always been a thing.
remember ppl say Dota 2 is dead when it usually has 350k people online.
people say WoW is dead when they have like 1mil online.
honestly, if a game has over 100 players and doesnt lag its plenty.
if Eve only had 2 players left you can guarantee that one would still be suicide ganking the other on the Jita undock.

>>1793320
he wont, he's a pussy /v/ shitposter who's never played Eve like most of this general
crossboarders come here cuz its easy baitposts to farm (You)s

>>1793334
I mean we went from 9k online to 32k online since Scarcity ended and Uprising saved the game.
CCP just need to stop fucking around with $200 board games and phone game crypto scams and just actually work on their fucking game a bit harder.
Their updates since Uprising have all been "we couldve coded this over a long weekend but we dragged it out over 6 months cuz CCP Convict keeps fapping to Youtube make-up tutorials instead of working"

wtb sansha LP

>>1793462
Don’t lie to me mate I know your “country” has a maximum population of 50 and 10 of those are chinks and abbos.

Every Australian “corp” is just 1 guy with 50 accounts.

>>1793472
As a crossboarder who's been shitposting on /vg/ since the day the board was created I can confirm.

But this is a dead shit game, as are all games on /vm/. A bunch of delusional old boomers clinging onto time long gone by instead of just letting it go and going after something fresh and new (like New World, the new MMO from Amazon Games, check it out).

You are condemed to just wallow in your own shit.
Peace.
Out.

>>1793475
CCP needs to stop sdinking so much development time into perpetual reworks of sov mechanics. Literally every expansion has been "We reworked sov mechanics again" as far back as I can remember.

working on sov is good, but they fuck it up. same with combat balance updates

>>1793508
The way job security works in scandinavia there's a good chance that the only guy left working on EVE is the guy who does sov. When you ask him what hes doing he's reworking sov and when hes finished he starts reworking it again because that's his job. He's a veteran of like 25 years so by now there's literally no one who can stop this mad lad from just reeeeewwuuuuurkiiinggg and correcting those bratty sov hubs

>>1783493
I started playing after a year again. I just made a new character and I’m doing level 2 missions with my coercer at the moment.

>>1783493
I've spent 160b injecting dread alts in the last month, and I need to grind enough isk back to afford a new Fortizar. I also need to inject one of the Dread alts into a Cenotaph sooner or later. Or maybe I can slow train that on one of my characters idk. The only one close is one of my Logi pilots and I like being able to do half a logi wing alone if I have to.
My corp also retired our FAX doctrine halfway through my training into a FAX on my main so now I'm on a shit remap for anything else but can't bring myself to extract the SP.

>logi
fag

>>1793543
>Be oldfag
>Have six accounts originally for wormhole stuff
>Main has 140m SP, main characters on alt accounts have about 40-50m SP, most can fly most things I use within reason
>Start retooling accounts about three years ago, everyone gets maxed out PI with MCT deals
>Every single character has Exhumer V
>Each character can fly our ops doctrine
>One command burst character per account
>One freighter/DST pilot with maxed skills on each account
>Other two characters can fly dreads/FAX
>No longer have to worry about getting caught out of the wormhole because there's always max skill pilots still inside ready to undock

Planning alts in advance is fucking great, I don't have to worry about skills for anything.

>>1793663
Yeah I've been shuffling things around so I have a home/away/farm character on each account, things that I wouldn't reasonably be using at the same time as the other characters on the same account.
But I have to say, Links require an actually ridiculous amount of SP. It's cheaper to inject perfect dread alts than a halfway decent links alt. A perfect links alt is like 50m SP just for links and links ships, it's retarded.

that's not retarded, you are

>>1793670
What really sucks about links is the attributes aren't useful for anything else. Once you commit to training them you really should take the year or so to finish them out.

It's like training reprocessing skills, except those have an overlap with science. But it takes about 600 days of training to max reprocessing skills.

>open eve client
>every day
>162MB update
why?

>>1793303
There's a nullbloc war occurring right now between the two largest alliances.

>>1793439
>intel channels like this are cancerous

Why would people working together in this fashion ever be a bad thing?

>There's a nullbloc war occurring right now between the two largest alliances.
meanwhile incidental pvp is dead for years

>>1793886
Incidental pvp never existed. You're either out to murder people or you're not. PVEfags don't have the fit to fight players and they're too afraid to take a fight if they did anyway.

faggot. it exists but it's terrible and getting worse all the time. ESS and skyhooks both total failures cucked on arrival
>PVEfags don't have the fit to fight players
bot/afk ishtars are pretty strong. and barges are ridiculously buff

>foolishly take fight in Ishtar
>somehow manage to not get blapped
>opponent warps off because you don't have a point

Have you never played this game before? Claiming that attacking an ESS or Skyhook is PVE content is the same as saying FW Plexs is PVE. The ships doing this content are either fit to flee or fight players. Not rats.

retard nigger I never said that

>>1793931
Explain how incidental pvp occurs in your headcannon, faggot.

kys
dude(s) goes to a place and shoots some locals. ratters, miners, whatever, or 'defence fleet' twats defending krabs for free. simple fun. it's trivially easy to avoid combat if you want, even if you're retarded, and krabbing ships now are pretty strong against the ships that have a chance of catching them, so it's shit
ESS was intended to be an incentive for residents to undock and defend themselves somewhat, rather than hiding and waiting for visitors to leave every time. balance the risk of combat against the money being stolen. the concept is strong. it's a failure because stupid constraints were put on activating the acceleration gate, and there being an unironic 80km scram bubble inside, and there typically being nothing of value inside, and very bad balance favouring defenders enormously
skyhook is similar but you need to fly a hauler so you're -1 real ship, and it just hard tackles you, and the krabs can self steal or something. disaster

>>1794008
>dude(s) goes to a place and shoots some locals. ratters, miners, whatever, or 'defence fleet' twats defending krabs for free

Strange definition of "incidental pvp". Sounds deliberate and very much the goal of the activity. Maybe you're just retarded.

tanked Ishtar with blue pill, hardshell and overheating is pretty strong but most people are crabbing in shitty max ticks fits
though 50% of time you it's not 1vs1

strange definition of not being a massive queer, nigger

>doesn't know what the word incidental means
>defines it as an activity that currently occurs and has always occurred within the game that he says no longer exists within said game
>calls others nigger

Post hand

look up the definition, nigger
>currently occurs
right. there's more than zero instances of it, so it's all ok. you may as well admit you're in a reddit bloc

>>1782713
>>1782771
ok
results are in
high est 10mins per account including redeeming omega and extraction
not including character creation (5 minutes) or logging into launcher (very variable)
287 extractors filled
worst case extractor net (sell -> split): 315m isk/unit
total 90.4b isk in 18 hours 20 minutes
= 4.93b/hr worst case

i dont think thats too bad

>>1793918
>barges
Absolutely retarded, Punishers with scrams kill them all the time.

think about how long that takes, retard. also doesn't happen

>>1793278
>Can you name me a game that is at least half as old as EVE and doesn't have a "downward trend of actual humans playing the game"
oldschool runescape

>>1795163
Incidental would mean two players are doing things unrelated to pvp, don't intended on doing pvp, but happen to cross paths and brawl it out. That doesn't happen in eve. Fits prevent players from engaging in pvp if they're doing something else. Freighters don't take fights, miners don't take fights, ratters don't take fights. They especially aren't taking fights with each other. They might attempt to defend themselves from someone looking for a fight. 99% of the time their efforts are in vain and the 1% they aren't the attacker warps off because they aren't fit for pvp.

You're a dumb nigger and I don't actually believe you've ever played the game. There has literally never been a time in eve where pvp has been incidental.

Incidental pvp only ever existed in games like WoW 15 years ago on pvp servers.

no it wouldn't retard

>655.75MiB

Dumb question, where is the closest concord office to Jita?
>Mastakomon
no

vellaine

>>1796488

>>1796532
based

/ourgay/ is streaming Frontier™
It's kino.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJcYZAZYpqM

Sorry EVE OnlineKEKs but your game will be dead soon.

Looks like they ripped a certain gearbox game, and added mmo mechanics.

Conan Exiles in space

>/ourgay/
who

WARP
TO
THE
DANCE
FLOOR

I like the Amarr because they believe in God and have sexy ships.

>join fleet
>end up never undocking because hostiles fuck off
>sit around for an hour and a half
>wife asks to watch a movie
>decide why not, nothing is going on
>get comfy start movie
>pinged

Fuck you niggers

>>1782813
Considering horde is doing nothing but farming brave while goons are steamrolling through insmother my money's on the goons unless horde does a major about-face and focuses on the home front for a change

>>1793215
there is no fun without prime slamjam content in /v/ bros

Just finished mining a wormhole with six Average Frontier Deposits bros, it was a quick 9b ISK today.

>>1797505
how many accounts did that take

>>1797650
Eight, each site took about 40 minutes to strip the Gneiss and Arkonor out of it.

>>1797241
Horde doesn't want to escalate. Titans got a buff and Goons have a lot more titans.

>>1796585
the fuck is this filth

>a new era has begun
>enter the frontier
does anyone here play this new ccpslop?

>166.92MiB

>>1797855
thanks for the daily reminder to collect my login rewards

ok I watched some videos
eve frontier seems like a more boring version of eve
everything is saved on the blockchain meme and it has line of sight based occlusion

>>1797901
The LOS shit is pretty good because it messes with cancerblobs, but that's the only thing I see in the game that might be worth it.

Whose 350lb FC is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhxA6cttU30&t=330s

>>1798678
average anti-ganker

>>1782813
the stakes feel incredibly low

alright guys, whats the verdict? is eve frontier the eve online 2? will everyone quit and start over?

>everything needs pos fuel
Nah.

>>1800091
things being harder is actually a good thing

harder=!obnoxious

frontier is the future, online is dead

>>1800091
That's good, too bad it's linked to paypiggery.

why would i play eve 2 when eve 3 is going to come out in 20 years and make all my evecoins worthless

Because you're an amateur, thinking in terms of evecoin. A professional like me has been stockpiling cumcoin for a decade now, I'll be ready when eve 3 comes out.

the problem is that it looks exactly like the same game except for the fuel gimmicky

>>1800178
ccp is cursed to remake dust 514 and eve online over and over until they run out of money

>>1800215
I feel bad for them with Sony jewing them over Dust though. That was actually a decent fucking game.

>>1800527
It was decent, but it wasn't going to compete against Battlefield or Planetside as its contemporaries.

Also, Sony didn't jew over CCP, CCP made Dust exclusive because Sony paid for the majority of development. CCP got to make a game partially for free but it had to be PS exclusive as part of the deal.

>>1800532
I mean Battlefield is ded and Planetside 2 has under 100 players online most nights.
It would've stuck around with a small but loyal fanbase and with 10 years of updates could've been amazing.
Sony bullied CCP into making it PS3 exclusive because they didnt want it to compete with Planetside.
Supposedly it was going to be on PC right up to a few weeks before launch, and I remember this cuz I was there. Lot of my corpmates were very vocal and angry over this shit.

Dustbunnies hanging in local was cool though and they were chill guys, just no-one was gunna drop $500 on a PS3 when the PS4 was a few months away.

>>1800536
Yeah, but CCP took the deal. They saw it as free money and didn't care about long term sustainability, if they did they would've found a publisher that would've let them also port the game to PC.

And now Battlefield is dead and Planetside 2 is almost dead, but at the time the games were huge and trying to enter their market share wouldn't have gone so well. It's hard to say if DUST would've had any lasting appeal either beyond a few crossplayers from EVE. I just don't think CCP would've invested enough time and effort into the game to make it so and the whole thing felt like a cash grab that just damaged the brand since it showed players not to get invested into any of CCP's offshoots.

If they can make Vanguard seamlessly meld into Eve there is potential. Tbh if you're paying for Omega on Eve you should get free access.

>>1797743
I tried but CCP fucked up their backend and like 20% of players cant acces the most basic production functions.gr82k8

>Traveling through high sec to get to Jita from Amarr
>Along the way, notice the different people at gates
>12 Barghests all with the same name (unit01, unit02, etc)
>A few jumps later, 15 Myrmidons with default names, characters that have all started on the same day
>Pass a mining fleet of 20 characters, again all the same names

Wow, what a fucking lively game.

source on dust losing money?

>>1800566
i dont think there's potential because vanguard gameplay is so boring

>>1800755
Imagine all the people who don't do similar names on all their alts.

>like me

I don't know what to do in eve. Why is it so hard to do anything?

kill niggers

>>1801754
Do you think it's alright to play EVE just with your own private goals roleplaying in space?

>people left corp because of drama
>they're all over the age of 30 and are arguing about stupid shit like literal high schoolers and they've known each other for over a decade btw

what is it about this game that drama is just unavoidable. is everyone just fucking emotionally unstable???

>>1801757
>brutors
don't tell others, do it and keep us posted.

>>1801754
what sounds fun to you?

>>1802482
>is everyone just fucking emotionally unstable???
its like 70% trannies

>>1801754
Make line go up on wallet balance.

>>1801757
This is the way.

wts lsi

wtb hookers and cocaine

Is it griefing if I make an alt specifically to kill those stupid mobile depots outside of Rens?

>>1803225
does it matter if it is

>>1803225
only person you're griefing is yourself

Uninstalled EVE to make space for AI models

>>1801754
honestly just do fun shit and isk will go higher.
if you dont know what to do yet, try different content until you find a few things you like to do.
try not to grind the FUCK out of one thing all the time or you'll burn out like with any game.
maybe watch some videos/streams of other ppl playing and see what sort of shit they do.

My Eve Night routine is usually
>jump on
>check/update PI
>check on my blueprints and industry jobs
>fly around my constellation with an exploration frigate, scanning to see what's around
>run something I've found, if not I'll jump into some sort of PVE for a bit
>chill with a little bit of mining (usually gas) in the 20-40 min before logging off
I used to be really autistic with doing my dailies every day on every character but shit was burning me out so I stopped.
If you're in highsec close to the career systems or trade hubs it tends to be too packed out to find much worth of value.
Try jumping in some wormholes or filamenting in/out of nullsec on short trips. You'll learn a lot about the game and how to stay safe in dangerous places and you'll make nice isk.

>>1803225
See this>>1803230
You're just wasting your own time.
You'll be alarm clocking reinforcement timers over a few days just for someone to buy 100 more depots for 200mil and deploy them all faster than you can put down.
90% you dont need to ever see or use Depots anyway. Just remove them from your overview, keep them on your "salvage, loot cans, depots, MTUs" tab.
They're basically only used to advertise shitty corps, except for some very niche uses like if you're needing to change your T3C fit while in a wormhole or something.

>>1803517
I was thinking more like just logging on occasionally and reffing them all, killing whatever hasn't been scooped. It's not like a dedicated siege, more like an annoyance to mess with people who don't want to hang around and reset them constantly.

>>1803579
Thats fair.
Being real though, Rens is kind of shit anyway.
Only reason it still exists is if you're running Thukker missions and you're too lazy to go the extra 4 jumps to Hek to buy ammo.

for me it was oursulaert

>>1802482
because that corpo fucking sucks, lmao. i shouldve left that shithole a lot sooner

>>1803817
Fair enough brother, I don’t think any of the issues will be fixed. I do think half the issue is he’s stubborn as fuck, the other half is that people take this game way too fucking serious there’s zero reason to have a shouting match over it go play something else it’s just a video game. They’ll find something else to argue over though. I should’ve just joined HK or Lazer tbqh there’s a reason nobody else can sort their shit out enough to actually compete against them.

You EU, NA or Oz? I never did find out what fucker you were lol. Don’t need to dox yourself I can probs guess from just that.

>>1803516
>I used to be really autistic with doing my dailies every day

I've never bothered with that shit. Industry and trade is more than enough autism for me. Haven't gotten burned out yet. Its mostly chill, but it can be a pain in the ass moving stuff around.

I did get burned out like five years ago. I was doing arbitrage trading and hauling constantly. I probably would have been fine, but I thought I'd be cool and plex my account with my profits. Seeing all my progress evaporate just to continue grinding killed it for me. Now I just buy my sub. I'll considering plexing again if I get to some stupid high level where I have trillions in revenue per month.

>>1803703
its mysulaert

never been more over

>>1803817
>>1803845
Is this some Exit Strategy cringe? Did Sin Alarma sperg out again?

>undock from my comfy wormhole raitaru
>gorillion covetors and porpoise on scan
>screech in discord, nobody logs in
>miners scatter immediately
>porp and and two rollers get rolled out in my home
>t1 probes on dscan, they dont have the kspace scanned
>decloak the porp with my buzzard
>tell them to invite me to fleet in local
>warp them to kspace hole
another moral victory for the mining prevention squad

omen

>>1804113
Nah not exit strategy. It is wormholes though…

Maybe the common factor is that everyone in wormholes is a sperg and cannot act like a human being.

Makes you think…..

>>1804217
Wormhole corps have been a lot less spergy than null or HS corps in my experience.

>>1804217
My corp just split with another whose wormhole we were living in over drama, so I know the feeling. We just got our own system though and our corps were already split from a long time ago, it's just sad that our relationship had to end over stupid shit.

>>1804771
It's always Americans man.

fragile fucking egos, grow tf up and call your buddy a faggot retard, go play something else and tomorrow you'll be fine.

Goons moving into Insmother and Brave moving halfway across the universe for the umpteenth time

>>1803968
Well the reason I started on it was "well I have these 6 chars on both my accounts just sitting here, may as well click 2 buttons a day on each of them to get free skillpoints and other shit.
And being honest, for how little work you put into it its not bad. You make 375k SP/month per character plus about 40mil/mo each.
But eventually it turns into never wanting to stray too far from career systems.
Like the obvious fix is for CCP to spend an afternoon to make 50 new randomised objectives for the dailies and throw them in the pool. Literally would only take a long as having a meeting about it and then coding it in real quick.
But like everything they do its half assed and they never bothered working on it after it was released.

>Goons
kys

T2 supercarrier explicitly designed to be a home for nomadic groups when? Make it unable to operate in an alliance's owned sov and have its mechanics only apply to alliance members, also it can't tether or dock in a Citadel. Perhaps a new way of building it that can only be done in NPC null or something, I don't know anything about industry. Give it massive, asset safe, hangar bays for alliance mates and let it be set as a home station. Steal the new carrier mechanics and give it some extra fleet support stuff (Titan Phenomena Generators? Buffed Capsuleer Recloner?), maybe prevent it from launching fighters so it's unappealing for RMTers that love showing off their wealth in super umbrella helldunks. I thought this up while shitting on the loo so it's probably a terrible idea but fuck it CCP hire me already.

Sounds awful, however knowing CCP I’m sure they will contact you and offer you a job ASAP.

no

>>1806134
why?

>my entire group is physically incapable of playing the game unless one specific person is online
a mothership is cool conceptually but this just sounds like a bad time

>>1806480
Perhaps we can make it show up when he’s offline and then maybe have a few reinforce timers for shield and armour and maybe give it weapons perhaps of the “standup” variety.

This exists it's called a Fortizar.

Yeah that’s the joke retard.

cunt

45 injectors sold
only 249 to go

i haven't played eve in a few years, used to play in low-class wormholes before i quit.

are there any /eog/ wormhole corps out there?

>>1806890
>/eog/ wormhole corps out there?
Yes. As stated earlier, it is not just a retirement home and not taking in new players.
Nobody can be fucked making a new one. There is some demand for it, but the old members are too burned out and the new ones don't want to start a corp from scratch.

>>1807016
>it is not just a retirement
I mean, it is now just a retirement home.

what the fuck is this cringe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5H-k_Bsr8g

>>1807721
not cringe
you are cringe

>>1792322
Before Rorquals ruined the game eve always was "in a better spot than it currently is"

>rorqs ruined the game
>more content than ever

>>1793278
>Can you name me a game that is at least half as old as EVE and doesn't have a "downward trend of actual humans playing the game

Foxhole, I believe, is growing. Unlike EO it's being actively developed and new major system continually implemented and old systems reworked (EO's half-assed sov bullshit doesn't count).

I can't decide if I want to spin up more PI alts or not. Each PI/skill extraction account makes me around 4b per month, but it requires that I log on to the account once a day or so to reset my PI extraction and then gives me more shit to haul out to k-space to sell. There's always the risk I get lazy and stop logging on and then the accounts stop being profitable since I have to buy their sub a year at a time.

I have six accounts at the moment and adding more doesn't really help me from a gameplay standpoint because I can only log in five or six at a time anyway.

>>1807938
how hard does profit drop if you swap the extraction cycle to the longest one

>>1808254
Relative to one day cycles by percentage:

>12 hours: ~120%
>24 hours: 100%
>72 hours: ~66%
>1 week: ~50%
>2 weeks: ~33%

Exact numbers are impossible to get in a generalized fashion. Some planets have such abundant resources that I can run one week extraction cycles without any drop in output, usually things like Water on Ocean planets. Then there's stuff like Reactive/Precious Metals on barren planets or Reactive Gas on gas planets that absolutely cannot do long cycles and get anything decent.

I also use a buffer on my planets for raw resources, so I don't have to be on exactly the same time every day. One full storage facility keeps six BIFs running for like two and a half days, so sometimes I'll use that to buffer longer pulls or times where I'm not moving my extractor heads around to maximize resource production. Sometimes I'll put two down to ensure a full storage will let me run for almost a week without intervention and just run a lot of 12 hour cycles for a while before I drop them to three day cycles.

Each planet is worth about 6m ISK/day or about 180m ISK/mo, then I turn the products into stuff to increase the value further. Longest extraction times drops it to about 2m ISK/day, but I have the advantage of really efficient setups that I only need to retrieve the output every few months. But it's not really worth starting a new account to make a billion or so ISK off of PI every month, the rate of return is just too low compared to taking existing accounts and ratting/incursion running/mining.

PI has the advantage that it takes a very short time to preform every day and doesn't require you to move most of the time, it's basically infinitely scalable and probably the best ISK per unit of time spent in the game. Ratting takes time and there's a limit to how many characters you can multibox at once, but it can be done on top of doing PI. Reactions can add further profit but require a significant amount of input materials to start up.

>"content"

Which game should I play if I kinda like the conceptual idea of taking a space ship to fight a fleet of NPC enemies but EO feels too clunky and obsolete to enjoy?

>>1808401
Oh, and forgot to add that not interested in 1st person space dogfighting (Elite, SC) but something like 3rd person/RTSy more abstracted mechanics would be preferred. Homeworld3 got old quick.

>>1808401
Any choice between X3 and X4 desu.

X3 is the goat, but does show its age, X4 has better economy simulation but it has some dumb choices.

>>1808401
Sins of the solar empire 2 mb? It's easy to get into and pretty to look at, got a room to grow skill, if you like it enough. 1st game has a ton of crossover mods.

>>1808404
Looks 1st person dog fightery, not quite what I was looking for.
>>1808422
Tried it but didn't like it. I didn't put too many hours into it but combat felt lacking as like you just line up your ships and go afk as they do their thing and the rest of the game didn't really click.

>>1808426
It is 1st person dogfight if you choose to play a frig/destroyer level, the higher level ships is more carriers and shit like that.

The game is really more autistic German economy simulator than it is space battles at least it is for me lol. It’s make your number go up like Eve.

Favourite empire region?
Also I forgot to scoop up my MTU last night and came back today to find a kill report for it
fuck

>hear that Ahbazon is one the most dangerous systems
>survive two trips through it today without any issues whatsoever
>see that 160 ships got blown up there during the last 24 hours
I knew making an Amarr was a good choice.

>Reloading

>not just solo killing the gatecamp in your apocalypse

>>1808401
maybe check out starsector?

Youtube newbro alpha friendly builds are not friendly at all...

>>1808975
The newbro videos are made by absolute shitters at the game.

Aceface is the most egregious dude has max skills when he does his shit and makes it look fucking easy, and loru has no fucking clue what he's talking about.

What are you trying to do?? Abyss?

>>1808975
That's what pisses me off, I actually have a max skill alpha character for testing all my fittings with before passing them off as something feasible. When I was doing abyss farming videos for my alliance, I was specifically running T4s/T5s in a Gila with 3.5m SP to demonstrate it was possible.

>>1808558
the one where the most miners are flying barges in lowsec.

test

>>1809128
Mainly yeah. I found a abyss running scoreboard website with fits, after researching the youtube builds. Even if most vids aren't useful at the moment it was a good learning experience anyway. At least I know I have ways to go before running abyss yet, still need skills up like thermodynamics, do the epic arc etc. Eve seems to be a no-rush overall game, everything takes a while.

>>1808401
the PVE mode or the open world mode in Star Conflict might tickle your fancy if you want a more dogfighting WASD & Mouse situation, but the game is on life support so PVP lobbies will lag like fuck (if you even get one)

>>1808558
Minmatar space has grown on me lately.
Its fairly centrally located and has the best mission agents there, and you never see any ganking because the gankers are all in Laangisi.

>>1808975
like other guy said, if you're trying to find abyss fits, look at a bunch of guides from a bunch of sources first, then compare them to the most popular fits for that ship on Abysstracker.com and go from there.
If you're doing Alpha abyssals your best bet is honestly speedrunning T1 Darks/Exotics in a Worm.
Gila makes a bit more isk/hr but if you die your killmail hurts 5-10x more.

>>1809830
If you're just starting the abyss, try something simple like this Punisher for tranquil electricals. An absolute new character can fly it and it only costs about 4-5m ISK. Keep Imperial Navy Multifrequency S in your cargo as well in case you run into the Skybreaker so you can actually kill it.

Some people recommend going straight to a Retribution afterwards since they're pretty great solo until T2 and a Retribution gang handles T4+, but I'd say you should ditch frigates and go to a cruiser setup unless you know people. Cruisers are what you need to solo effectively otherwise you'll cap out at T2 abyss and run them slowly. I'd say get a drone boat like the Arbitrator or Vexor since drones work really well in the abyss at level skill/cost levels and leads into the Gila or Ishtar, but going to a Maller/Navy Omen then to Phantasm works well up to T4 and maybe T5 if you like lasers, or a Caracal to Muninn/Sacrilege if you like missiles.

Personally, I do T5/T6 abyss in a Gila because it's meta and it's the easiest way to print money, but I do occasionally fly a Phantasm or Sacrilege because I like the ships. Vagabond/Cynabal can work but are both really fragile and cap out on like T4. Deimos/Vigilant with blasters are wholly useless due to a lack of range, you waste too much time getting up to targets to kill them.

>>1809867
Speedrunning T1 Exotics is ok but caps out too low. Even if you get a 5 minute clear time, that's only like about 60m ISK/hr, which isn't terrible for a new player but the chance they're not going to lose their ship and be in the hole 100m ISK is pretty low. Retribution is a better choice because it's more economical.

I'd just say go with a dual rep, dual battery, rapid light Arbitrator and do T2s instead, then you're getting practice with a ship that can progress to T3s and flies the same as a higher tier ship. It's only about 30m ISK for the fitting and another 10m for the Navy Infiltrators.

>>1809876
Oh, and if you're the most dirt poor newbro determined to make it on your own, just use the starting frigate you get several of from the tutorial. The Merlin, Incursus, or Rifter all work fine except against the Skybreaker rat in T0, just get rails or autocannons and a web and you're fine. A sub 1m ISK fit is enough to complete T0 abyss with these ships until you can afford something better, and at 2m ISK per run it won't take long to get there.

>game is pretty cool, let's see the store
>sorry, you can't buy shit, since you are from Russia
>mfw I live in actual irl Mongolian Mountains

Good day,
Today I feel like shooting some Autothysian Lancers

>Unironically not using lasers

>>1810029
What's life like in Mongolia?
Asking sincerely, I know nothing about modern day Mongolia and am quite curious.

stupid nes sale is bigly impacting my LSI sales

>>1810112
Compared to the rest of the world and closest Asian countries nothing is happening and that is a good thing.
After-covid years were pretty good for city life in the capital, Ulaanbaatar. Lots of growth, construction projects, increase in everything digital and tech, quality of life went up. Every shepherd on a horse has a phone with youtube now, it's quite amusing to see. Less yurts everywhere in private sector housing and more tall affordable-ish buildings with flats and office stuff. We have lots of free space and all the people are moving in here steadily.
Last month was pretty busy tho, bunch of riots against government corruption, specifically prime minister and his wealth. Election happened a couple of days ago, new guy looks promising, has an economics and business background, so here is hoping lol
Oh and we had another Mongolian sumo wrestler achieving the highest rank officially in japan, hype stuff. Just came back from boxing myself. Love me a good fight, hot nomad blood strong.

>>1809867
>>1809876
>>1809885
That's good info, thx. It's a bit hard to understand the context and where to approach it from just watching videos and pure builds. Happy to hear drones are viable as well as cheaper ships to start with. Quite liked the gallente green dickballs ships full of drones so far. I'm fine with progressing gradually, the gameplay is fresh enough. Too much big money quickly will just make me paranoid and stressed out. Plus bunch of AIR awards require repeating low level content a bunch. I'll think about joining a corp a bit later too. Had enough solo mmo experience in other games already.

>>1810043
>Autothysian Lancers
Wtf are these rats doing to gates? They beam them with some shit that doesn't seem to do anything.

>>1810260
Obligatory

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jM8dCGIm6yc&pp=ygUYTW9uZ29saWFuIHRocm9hdCBzaW5naW5n

>600+ dread escalation
EVE is back baby!

>>1810280
Last weekend, EVE Rookies hosted an abyss day where they were giving away fitted abyss ships and teaching players abyss from the easiest T0 filaments all the way to T6. I'm not sure when the next abyss practice will be, but you could check there.

So... I just downloaded the game. What do I do?

>>1810561
uninstall

>>1810561
Oh no no

>I just downloaded the game
A classic blunder

>>1810561
Run the tutorials.

>>1810561
Kill niggers.

reeeee buy my fucking injectors aaaaaaaaa

>>1810745
nah, just going to use cerebral boosters and chill.

>>1810280
no worries anon, worst case ask questions, there's a heap of abyssal communities out there.
keep your fits cheap and make sure your internet is stable and you'll be set.
you'll always lose a couple of ships when upgrading to a new tier or when trying a completely new fit.
its a good place to get practice with manual piloting, cuz most other PVE content in the game is braindead so running it is mostly "sit at 100km and kill everything before it gets close to you"

>>1810377
who cares
the lore is absolutely irrelevant

>here is one(1) free plex from your corporate AIR overlord
>now go and buy a skin, bitch
t-thanks

Every once in a while I get the urge to start playing eve again but then I remember it's abandoned by CCPnigger (probably the worst dev ever) and I probably don't know anyone playing anymore and playing solo (3-4 accounts) would be both limiting and a massive pain in the arse. Finding a good stable corp was probably always the biggest challenge in the game.

I wish Eve2 got released already by someone competent. Surely after two decades the time is ripe for somebody

>>1811488
>I wish Eve2 got released already by someone competent.
Does Albion count? Or maybe Tarkov?

he said competent

>>1811488
...to put together an insanely ambitious MMO (which eve admittedly is/was).

>>1811490
Albion is visually very off-putting and I don't like mobas. Maybe I will bite the bullet and try to get into it at some point. Tarkov I'm not interested because I feel FPS is boring. I played Dark and Darker for a bit and while it was much more interesting due to melee mechanics, it demonstrated how a serious PVP game needs to have an open world and ways to evade stronger/better geared opponents.

I currently main Foxhole which is a pretty decent compromise mixing persistence and rich open world strategy with fast non-committal action but Eve still has some allure.

So if I wanna try and be safe while traveling I should:
>set my destination
>check map for ship/pod death in 24 hours filter
>look up system at zkillboard if something seems sus
>press d-scan and check local chat for criminals and people account
>never use autopilot
>use avoid system filters if needed
>warp to closest planet if i sus gates are camped and d-scan the gate from there
>make bookmarks in the middle of warping
Anything else?

>>1811488
shouldve just joined all-out ten years ago and got into industry
your fault retard

>>1811546
Travel is what this game is ultimately all about and you could write a book about it. If you want to know, you might have to be more specific. Like, if there's a guy camping a lowsec game with sub 2 second targeting times, which is extremely rare because he has to be very close to the server, you straight up don't get to go there, period. That sometimes happens in Abhazon.
Sometimes lowsec systems get invaded or whatever and then people can use interdiction nullifiers there.
There are many exceptions that will get you killed if you don't know them.
For your general purpose moving around, what you wrote is generally enough. It depends on a lot on what you're using though, are you in a shuttle in which case you are scared of smartbombers, or do you have an travel interceptor or Dramiel, which requires 3 battleships to kill so you generally don't care?

>>1811578
The server distance thing actually doesn't really matter much. It's based on update priority which requires connecting, testing, and then reconnecting over and over until you determine you are high priority, which means your ticks get processed in the queue faster than someone else's. My corp had an ultralocker who could do it pretty reliably and he was living in central Canada.

>>1811546
https://eve-gatecheck.space/eve/

>>1811546
You wanna know WHERE you are going first. Highsec? Lowsec? Nullsec? Jspace?
Depending on your destination there are things you have to take into account.
After that is THROUGH what kind space you need to go to get there and take those rules into account as well.
Next is what you are carrying (the value of your cargo).
And finally taking those factors into account you decide on the ship and the fit.

It's also good to research whatever alternate routes there are as well in case there's a gigacamped system on the way there.

Genrally speaking shuttles are basically free, but if you can fly a ceptor not really needed. (sub 2s travelceptor is both faster and more smartbomb resistant than a shuttle). Your only worry are gonna be ultralockers but those are pretty rare and usually keep to their systems.

For everything else including blockade runners, you are gonna want to research/get familiar with your routes, the common camp systems, know how to bounce off celestials/pings to avoid bubbles (null/corrupted lowsec), get familiar with the ships that the campers can use and what they can do (trying to cloak/mwd in a DST while there's a decloaking ceptor on the next gate is not advised, or if you see a dictor/hictor on dscan while moving through null/jspace/corrupted lowsec).

Etc.

>>1811243
I don't even care about the lore. I'm just confused on what it is they're doing to the gate.

>>1811546
>interceptor with sub 2 second align time
>interdiction nullifier

ez pz

>>1811677

*fits one medium shield extender and a warp speed rig*
lmao

>no dc
>no plate

>>1811684
I mean, the solution to that is pretty simple. Don't warp gate to gate.

>>1811684
>no shield
>no damage control

baka

I'm guessing he was below 2 seconds and kept adding istabs anyway. I don't even bother with a wstab on my travel ceptor or my blockade runner.

>Don't warp gate to gate
>just double your travel time unnecessarily
low iq

>>1811727
Much better than dying pointlessly, and it's not even close to doubling it.

>He didn't buy 500km perches on every gate in the entire game from jet perches
ngmi

third option is get good retard. you can almost always tell when there's smartbombers

>>1811668
CCP likes to hype up new lore shit, like Caroline's Star, the Autothysian Lancers, Turner exploding, the Trigs etc only to do nothing with them after they initially release/start the event.
the Lancers are supposed to be like drifters or jove going around space scanning out stuff trying to learn about us. when they first started appearing in space random Jove listening post structures started decloaking in space and we noticed that stargates in jove space all went offline.
Also they were killing people that had corpses in their cargo hold and scooping up player's corpses in space, so there were theories going around that their own bodies had decayed so much that they needed to collect fresh ones for something.
then nothing happened.

what CCP are good at doing though is foreshadowing stuff in the lore and in-game events years and years ahead.
like the bobcut hair bitch that runs Gallente has been slowly weaseling her way up the ranks in Gallente politics in articles since 2010, and the Deathless with the whole Zarzakh thing have been mentioned on and off since 2012.

Serious lorefags love to do picrel connecting shit from random loredump articles and other clues posted years ago to theorycraft shit that's about to come out.
If its the kind of stuff that interests you there's heaps of videos and such online of people looking for these kind of hints and trying to piece together stuff.

>>1811490
Albion's honestly pretty good and is just Fantasy MMO Eve. Some of CCP's devs have jumped ship to work on Albion over the years which is why the games are so similar.
Tarkov is just a shittier DayZ in all honesty and I'm surprised anyone even plays it since DayZ's engoodening.

>>1811754
>jove space
Are we ever getting access to that pocket of space?

>>1811760
Jove's space is CCP's testing ground, so no.

The server's having an anal prolapse again.

>>1811698
*don't warp gate to gate in the like 3 systems where smartbombing happens

>>1811791
I forgot it's impossible to make more dev space.

>>1811833
With that argument, it's also impossible to just make more Jove systems not in use by CCP.

Why the fuck would they tear down a system like Polaris or 8-U and move it over ten feet to the left when they could just make new systems?

>>1810745
sitrep: i have sold one (1) injector today

its truly over

>>1811944

>Resubbed to Eve almost exactly 1 year ago
>Went from a net worth of ~26b to ~300b
>Went from one main and one alt and no capital skills to having 6 capital capable characters, 4 of which are dedicated cap alts
>Killboard value increased by over a trillion isk

Turns out finding a decent corp really does change the game

>Killboard value

>>1811994
>Went from a net worth of ~26b to ~300b
>4 cap alts

How?

My corp net worth between my toons is probably 35-45b. I have very little liquid (currently only 4.5b). Individual toon net worth is maybe 20-30b (all of them added together) I feel like at 300b there is no way I could field 4 caps.

Granted most of my wealth is tied up in industry stockpile materials and I only have been doing industry seriously across 2-3 toons for a little over two months. Currently in the process of skilling up two more toons into industry.

I'm hoping my reinvesting will pay off bigly after another couple of months.

Hell I only have one account that I pew pew on. Funny enough my combat pilot has the most SP at about 17M.

>killboard value

>>1812012
>How?
nigga shot a gorillion npcs

>>>>Pearl Abyss puts 'EVE Online' CCP up for sale
Let's see how hard the next owner is going to push for P2W

>>1812133
Would be funny if it was NEXON, or one of those chink "milk it and dump it" publishers. That way it would be actually 100% sure that the game is gonna die soon kek.

>>1812161
Unironically there's a lot of potential in EVE if it gets an owner that has the balls to fire most of CCP to stop them doing retarded meme projects and hire back even just one dev to work on EVE. Massively cuts down operating costs of the studio while arguably raising revenues or at least prolonging the profitable life left in the game if nothing else. It's absolutely insane that pearl abyss let them do these retarded projects and waste most of their money on them.

>>1812133
I honestly can't think of a single owner who'd not run EVE into the ground even more than it is. China's firms would crash the game with MTX in a day, most western corporations would try and run it with zero understanding of who plays the game and ruin it pretty quickly too. It's more doomed than it was, for sure.

/eog/ should buy it

no sane game company will want to buy it unless at a heavily discounted price
mmos are dead genre and all ccps other projects have been failures (and frontier/vanguard won't be any exception)

my money is on some pension fund diversifying

>>1812133
cannot wait for netease to buy the game

Do you think any major sites are going to go into maintenance mode or pull out entirely because of the news? I could see something like various public mappers, EVE-Workbench, adam4eve, or even E-Uni pulling the plug if Netease took over.

Considering EVE is so dependent on third party tools for most players, the community has a ton of power if they decide to go dark.

they wouldn't care

>>1812220
I so fucking hope they will. All of them are cancer that is killing eve, starting from killboards and all the way down.

Wait, so Pearl Abyss is actually selling?

Someone tell Musk to buy it.

Their financials actually look really strong, they’re making 40m in revenue if you take away the RnD costs, and with two titles coming out soon it makes sense they’re currently in the red.

People need to stop doomposting, fortunately for CCP there is nothing similar to eve online and the playerbase, despite their complaints have been stuck to it like flies to shit as if they’re abused housewives that get beaten every single week but still come back because of the kids.

It’ll probably be quite a hot product in the market just because the financials look really strong, revenue has increased yoy, they have two games releasing soon.

PA selling them is less indicative of CCP bad and more indicative of how badly PAs current releases are doing with all of their delays that they need cash yesterday. If it was truly doomed they wouldn’t try and sell it, they’d just pull the plug and eat the loss. The fact they’re selling suggests there is buyers.

We can only hope it is Tencent where they will just leave them to it and not Nexon where we will get ship enchancement stones that have a 90% chance to blow your titan up when you’re trying to go from +9 to +10.

>>1812319
>People need to stop doomposting
I fucking hope NEXON or Netease buys it, just to see you choke on your own words nigger.

>>1812339
t. faggot with 5 active subs.

>>1812371
>5 active subs
You missed by 20.

Proves my point.

They’re a good business precisely because they can rape the game and you retards will still buy omega regardless.

And it doesn’t matter if you personally don’t spend a dime, someone else has for you to be able to omega 25 accounts.

>>1812319
EVE has good fundamentals but CCP doesn't because they burn money on meme projects. That actually increases the chances of some game extraction firm like nexon picking it up simply because there's blood on the water, remove the bloat and put the game on life support and it almost certainly stills makes money 3-5 years from now.

>>1811546
For the God's sake stop flying sub 2 align ships through popular low seggs. Sub 2 align ships are not safe. Sub 1 align is safe (hecate). MWD+cloak is uncatchable too however people know how to de-cloak (You) and they will do that (plus you can fuck up cloak trick). Just avoid smartbombers.
In null people are not autistic and they never bother with sub 2 align catching setup. Hell PH for example is so lazy they don't even try to de-cloak T3Cs. It's pain in the ass after all. So go for nullifier and covert cloak for null. Luxury Yacht is the best ship for null (sub 2 sec, covert cloak+nullifier)

ultralocking is fake and gay
in 10 years of playing ive been caught by ultralocking nigger once

i have not docked in 5 days

>>1812434
>in 10 years of playing ive been caught by ultralocking nigger once
Killboard is full of dead 2s in Ahbazon tho. Not from smarts.
You can always fly to Rancer and ask NovaMoon Enaka to catch you.

employ common sense instead of flying retard fits

you lost
try to undock next time

I have never been docked with a woman

>>1812170
We'd finally have the Jamyl I Sarum comeback and impregnation (by me IRL) event.

>>1812319
Yeah, EVE I believe is still, incredibly, a pretty profitable game but everything else they touch turns into shit. If I had infinite money I'd buy the game and IP and give it to some competent studio to unfuck.

>>1812434
The gate system that forces people into obvious campable bottlenecks is really dumb. I bet it has made more noobs quit than even high-sec griefing ( CCP presented some data like ten years ago about war decs making most people that encountered them quit).

>>1812420
Woah, I don't understand any of this. But you sound smart, I'll copy the post to my eve word file for later, thx

fuck wardecs

>>1812497
I've docked many women and dropped loads of liquid ozone in all three of their ports.

Feels good man.

>>1812511
Concord is useless to boot. Just n+1 the timer and loot billions ez pz.

Camping Uedama is probably the most profitable activity in the game.

>>1812452
you've said nothing

suppose your scanning ship has 2 mid slots available. one of them would be a rangefinding array for sure, but should you use the last slot for a pinpointing or acquisition array?

neither

what would you use instead

>>1812618
Faction scram+cap booster.

i'm just trying to daytrip wormholes and scan out data/relic sites

>>1812618
double rangefinding

>>1812644
is it worth it if 1 rangefinder gives me a little over 90 scan strength?

>>1812618
is it purely for scanning? zero concern for grid movement, travel, or anything else?

>>1812935
yeah pretty much, just a cheap heron for scanning and running hacking sites that i don't care if i lose. here's what i have rn:

[Heron, heron]
Nanofiber Internal Structure I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

Data Analyzer I
Scan Rangefinding Array II
5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Scan Pinpointing Array II
Relic Analyzer I

Core Probe Launcher I

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Emission Scope Sharpener I

>>1813022
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1cf383o/probe_scanning_deviation_breakdown/
here's a bunch of autistic analysis about how scan stats interact
tldr is hitting the strength breakpoints is important but beyond that deviation is more useful

>>1813140
very cool, thanks anon

Why do people call it daytripping?

because you don't base there, no structure or pos

>>1812161
didnt nexon die which is why we never got the massively hyped Singleplayer FFXI for mobile?

>>1812497
docking with a woman is great, but the problems come when you get station camped or she locks all of your assets in her citadel.

>>1812618
a pinpointer, a medium shield extender or a cargo scanner for ghost sites.
you go in, quickly cargo scan a few of the cans, hack and loot the one with the best loot and leave before the 1min timer
if you fuck up the hack you only lose a 800k isk Heron or so

>>1812656
90str is plenty for regular explo, any higher just helps you scan down mountains of shit faster.
if you need 100 or more scan strength there's a good chance you'll want another ship anyway like a T3C or something

>>1814340
Don't even bother warping out, just hack cans until you get killed. Jettison your cargo and come back to pick it up, no one can get to it anyway unless they scanned the site down before you. The loot from a second can will replace so many herons it doesn't matter that you lose one, unless you're hacking by filamenting to null (You should be hacking in C1-C3 space anyway).

Just started playing again for the first time in ages. is AO still jewing in the hole?

>>1812012
>Joined a high class wormhole group
>Immediately got handed a c5 farm, a couple of dreads, a carrier, and told to pay for it when I could
>decided I'd farm at least a couple of hours a week
>Managed to not lose a set of dreads for an entire year by being paranoid and careful
>Krabbed a lot

It was rough at the start because both the characters I put in Dreads were only t1 fit with Dread 4, but now both of them are perfect Dread 5 and each site is pretty comfortably 2-cycle.
In short, nullsec sucks ass and is the ghetto of Eve.

Redpill me on T2 exploration.

I can hack everything I come across with T1 stuff and anything I can't is likely guarded by deadly sleeper rats anyway.

How the fuck is this shit manageable at all in a frigate? Does it literally require a T3C or scanning down sites, coming back with something that has pews and then reshipping and coming back to finally hack shit? While hoping I don't get ganked in the process or ninja'd on the loot while I'm away?

Sounds like a massive pain in the ass. Not to mention for me to even get T2 scanning mods would require 3-4 months of training.

>>1814463
>It was rough at the start because both the characters I put in Dreads were only t1 fit

I can't even fly a battleship lmao.

based

>>1814643
>I can hack everything I come across with T1 stuff and anything I can't is likely guarded by deadly sleeper rats anyway.
You can't do ghost sites at all because the risk of instant death via failing a hack fucks the risk reward calculus.
You also probably can't do sleeper caches (not the same as worm hole sites).
>How the fuck is this shit manageable at all in a frigate? Does it literally require a T3C or scanning down sites, coming back with something that has pews and then reshipping and coming back to finally hack shit? While hoping I don't get ganked in the process or ninja'd on the loot while I'm away?
It isn't and you aren't intended to do them. Sleeper data and relic sites in wormholes are not made for explorers. They're made for people who live there who use dedicated combat ships to clear the site, then get some extra loot via hacking.

T2 just speeds everything up. Speed means more sites per hour, means more money. If there's other stuff you want to train first, go for it.

>>1814688
>Can't do ghost sites
I literally do them in a corvette with a T1 hacker, just go slow and plan your moves if you have problems.

Sleeper caches are too much for T1 though, the rewards don't really get good until later on and the odds you'll brick the site with an early hack are too high. But a 3/4s chance of getting rewards from a ghost site are perfectly fine when one can is worth 100m or more.

is wingspan still active these days?

>>1814742
Come to think of it, I haven't ran into any Wingspan in a very long time. That's a good question.

>>1814735
>I literally do them in a corvette with a T1 hacker, just go slow and plan your moves if you have problems.
Are you only hacking one can or something?

>>1814756
Usually I got two before I explode in j-space, highsec is usually three or all four.

I slap on a MWD, hack the first can in about 30 seconds, MWD over to the second, hack it and then either warp out if the rats are coming in or try for a third. Sometimes I explode on the first can, sometimes the second, it's like a 20-25% chance I get an unwinnable setup each hack. The biggest problem is cargo space, I've actually lost several hundred million because I couldn't jettison twice in a row and that 135 m3 of cargo space isn't enough for more than a can.

I built a stock of T1 magnates for ghost sites after I got more serious about it, I'd scan down sites on my main and then log on an alt to actually hack with. My main carried any loot I got while exploring while my alt did the sites and if he died due to ghost sites or ganks I wouldn't lose anything but a T2 analyzer. And then I discovered a Blackglass implant makes ghost sites free and never bothered with cheap ships again since I can usually get all four j-space cans with a covert ops now.

I see people panic due to the timer or just get lazy on hacks a lot, almost every can can be completed with bad skills if you're willing to really plan things out. You get a feel for distance and spawns after a while where you can see a 3 and know the right path to take to most likely find an item or know when you encounter a defense node in a weird place that the goal is near.

>>1814827
I didn't even realize ghost sites spawn in highsec.

>>1814830
They do, but their loot table is worse. HS spawns lower end ascendancy implants and villard wheels, lowsec and down spawn increasingly more capital parts along with better ascendancy implants. HS cans aren't really comparable to other ones but that's where I first started using corvettes to hack with, just keeping a stock of T1 analyzers and 5mn MWDs in cargo to put on them as I found them. It was the safest thing to do and meant if I lost my ship I didn't have to go back and get another heron or whatever.

>>1814643
having a covops cloak is very good
the extra hacking strength lets you hit some breakpoints/makes shit generally easier
a couple of them have deviation bonuses to let you skip extra stages
stealth means you can run sleeper caches, generally

that said aside from t2 analyzers (which you want the skills for anyway just due to the passive bonuses) it's really just the hull, not the rest of the fit that you care about t2 for

it depends what kind of sleeper cache retards

>>1814742
Yeah they're still active.

Like everything else in this game though they're a shadow of their former selves.

They're still annoying if you do find them down the chain since the B274 meme still applies to them.

>>1814742
shadow of their former selves and they're just run of the mill salty pvpers that base out of C13s now.

>>1814967
There are retards in sleeper caches wtf?!

yeah you

How do null relic/data sites compare to WH?

Isn't anything below C3 WH basically trash? Also having local makes the entire process much easier in null.

>>1819460
They're basically the exact same thing. I think ghost sites might be a bit better in wormholes though?
As far as I know data sites are the exact same thing C1-C3. Kind of the opposite though. Anything above C3 is trash because it can't spawn pirate data/relics and sleeper ones are high effort garbage.

>>1819460
you mean pirate sites? cause you can't really compare sleeper sites
wormholes all have perfect -1.0 truesec so site loot is better, on average
>Isn't anything below C3 WH basically trash
Pirate sites don't spawn in C4+, retard. WH class has no impact on pirate sites otherwise.
Its not uncommon to see 3-4 unmolested relics in a wormhole.
Local is irrelevant if there arent any sites or they're all cherrypicked.

>>1819460
No.

Class has very little impact other than you won’t find shit in C4s and above.

>>1819517
I'm not really after anything in particular. Just something to earn isk while I'm not doing anything else.

I probably looted a little over a bil today just doing nullsec sites. Granted I was at it for like four hours. I'm using T1 scanning/hacking gear though.

I did the research, and now will go and mine Kermit in low-sec for the first time ever, prey 4 me

>>1821234
for what purpose?

>>1821234
>>1821234
If you're just doing AIR Career Program, run like 2 or 3 lv2 mining missions, or repeat the industry career agent to get the achievement ticked off. Easier, faster, safer.
Rookie help and reddit are full of newbros being pushed into lowsec on their first day crying "why did he kill me? i'm just a noob! i'm poor! he's griefing" yadda yadda because they casually went afk in lowsec 3 jumps from Jita

>>1821298
>>1821304
I like to live dangerously.
Yeah, was doing AIR achivos, just finished industry. Wanted to do something more scary and practice d-scanning, checking system activity in maps and websites, warping out etc. My Venture is super cheap, I have money to spare too. It went fine, kind of want to expand a bit more now. Mine a bunch in a quiet lowsec system and then transport everything to a trade hub, with Miasmos probably. It's fun to research everything and then execute a plan.

>>1821434
>with Miasmos probably
unless you're spending a LOT of time mining, ore compression means a miasmos is pretty unnecessary

>>1821434
absolute chad moves. i made my first 100m mining a quiet low sec throughout a day when i first got into the game a year and a half ago. if you get into gas huffing and speed tank the rats in jspace, (warp in 30k-50km to avoid any potential rats, orbit 500m, make sure youre going above 2.4k ms stable with a MWD) when youre more versed in the scanning mechanics, youll get some nice spare change. you only need 2 levels in gas harvesting, 1 per high slot on a venture or prospect. theres also very valuable gas in some areas of low sec
dont warp into ordinary perimeter reservoirs at 0. they got turrets thatll 95% of the time instagib you

Waiting patiently for the next Omega+mct sales. Got enough plex for 4 accounts for 1 year, and just need to sell a bit of loot to cover the 5th account.

>Buying any game time while PA is trying to sell CCP
Enjoy getting stuck holding the bag.

>>1821434
>>1821434
>I like to live dangerously.
go for it into lowsec then, full send.
a venture with meta modules is like 800k isk, literally nothing.
go into a relatively quiet lowsec system a couple of jumps deep, speedtank the rats, grab what you can and gtfo.

If the new owners make omega free then shortly after they’ll start introducing ship mutaplasmids and premium ship insurance on the NES that lets you keep everything

>>1824249
fuck my god damn ass

game balance when

>>1824514
next thread will be balanced for sure bro

Kevin

i wont bake the new bread because i'm usually lurking

wondering how best to handle my referral and get my free 1m SP. i'm against just picking a referral at random and giving someone potentially huge benefits from my continued involvement with the game. but by the same token i'd like my million SP now because it's a huge barrier to moving forward. industry V is a 4.5-day train with a booster.

i pretty much never multibox in games; i might do it in EVE for mining. should i just make an alt and send the referral to myself from there? do i need an omega on either account? my new main is omega, i certainly don't want to pay for 2 omega right now, the alt is probably going to be alpha most of the time anyway.
can i sell the "right" to the referral link? one reward is 4x cerebral boosters, that must be worth several hundred million isk, probably more. i am intending to stay omega for the next few months.

>>1824925
https://www.eveonline.com/signup?invc=c28c2c8d-2a54-4605-a10f-e3be3a65c188

just use mine. mail me in game within 10-20 minutes of using it (so i know its not some chancer) and I'll send you a bil or something.

>>1824925
you *could* recruit yourself from a second account, recruiter doesnt need to be omega
but you'd waste the 15 day free omega and other bonuses and just get the boosters. The boosters can be traded, they're master-at-arms cerebral accelerators.

if you use my code i'll contract you the accelerators or isk equivalent plus some isk for the omega time

don't care, make the thread faggot

Will one of you subhuman niggers make a new thread already? Jesus fucking christ you lazy fucking bastards.

Baked new thread to /i/

theres still 14 threads below us no need for a fucking melty

>>1824933
kek sounds legit

>check /i/
>no thread
Why would you lie to your bros like this?

nigger

>>1824986
my net worth is north of 400b
i dont care to rip off my fellow /dog/mericans for a couple hundred mil in accelerators. i only scam chinamen.
im at 4 invitees right now, if i get to 10/20/40 invites i'll even split the rewards (profit from enforcer/marshal bpc, share of 2k plex) with anyone who uses my link and sends me evemail

>>1825042
who is handling escrow

>>1825072
wtf do you need escrow for

>>1824249
Ship mutaplasmids would be cool.

Doing project discovery, while mining in high sec on 6 alpha accounts is peak EVE. One day I will beat the chinese rice farmers.

>>1825282
>6 alpha accounts
Enjoy your ban.

>Leaves his scout clearly visible on the other side of the gate
>three moonrune named Gnosis
>they actually killed someone
lol, lmao even.

>>1824961
>>1824957
>>1824925

New fred
>>528646208

retard

>>1824961
>>1824957
>>1824925
>>>/vg/528646208

>/vg/
retard

Kevin you absolute muppet

Can one of you fags make a thread finally?

Mothers fuckers I've got questions, make a new thread already so I can post 'em

>/vg/ thread's already ded
lel

>>1827079
I could have bumped it multiple times, but I didn't haha

>>1825282
i unironically got filtered by project discovery
ill tell you what, brainrot from weed is real

i fly a sigil
iteron shitters get fucked

>>1827084
I just go with my gut, heart and feel.
But yeah, drugs aren't the best if you want to stay sharp. I dropped smoking sigs because it made me tired and unfocused by the midday.

RETARDS

YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE PLAYING THIS SHIT ASS FUCK GAME

Why is eve so unpopular, bros? Is it because you guys are such niggerlovers?

wsmith.jpg is a time-honoured /dog/ tradition

KEV

>>1827186
If you could play it on phones it's be kino. Hardware requirements are minuscule, gameplay is slow and can be basic enough. Only need to redo UI. Phoners love wasting money on random 5 dollar transactions too. Would increase player numbers tremendously.
But sci-fi is unrelatable boomer thing for uncool dads, as far youngsters concerned

>>1827186
>Why is eve so unpopular
Because it's a 20+ year old game with outdated mechanics, outdated graphics, outdated servers, outdated players and outdated devs.
>hurr durr we finally fixed this 20 year old bug
The players are actually worse than WoW players on average due to their crippling autism.

>>1827305
tongue my anus
>>1827186
Years of over exposure to social media has fried the brains of the people who would have been eve's audience. Like the dumb niggerfaggot that keeps posting a general on /vm/ they have no imagination and are fucking lazy zoomer slime brain globohomo zogbot fag enablers. Honestly, It's not obvious to me that eve would be improved by popularity.

TL;DR : Eve is too complicated for uneducated "1st worlders" tbhsmhfam frfr ongoddeadass

kevin you fucking homo

one job

>EVE
>complicated
>when the average APM even if you are playing a frigate 1v1 pvp is 0.00000001
dog.jpg

>>1827323
eve being kind of hard and complicated is great. rookies suck they dont know shit.

>>1827541
>implying APM matters when a PhD level of understanding of the game is required to git gud

>>1827541
who could be behind this post?

>>1827568
I agree. Alot of the fun for me is hunting them down and killing them.

>>1827745
>I agree. Alot of the fun for me is hunting them down and killing them.
you'll never grow as a pvper ganking rooks

>>1827186
He's decently popular, it hits 25-32k online, which puts it around Elden Ring, 7 Days to Die and Phasmophobia's current numbers.
Above Overwatch 2, Battlefront 2, Civ6, Ark, RDR2 and Rocket League.

>>1827824
Ok, Can i gank you?

>>1827849
>Elden Ring
Fantastic game. But there is no reason to play it continuously like eve.

>>1827186
its old as fuck my guess
pay2be rich

when will all-out be active again? i miss everyone

>>1828101
Who are you!

>>1828111
who are you

>try to run an "easy" abyss site
>how bad can it be
>omen gets cap drained and wrecked, dead in minutes
jesus fucking christ, you really just have to into perfect skills and meta builds to do anything except the most basic bitch shit in this game

>>1828113
>omen
i have identified the issue

>>1828119
ill try again after googling "eve online abyss reddit" and finding the answer like everyone else

the main problem with this game is gating so much stuff behind skills that take extremely long times to train. i remember when there was no skill trainer market and no way to meaningfully "catch up". but now the "catching up" is driven by microtransactions. that is unfortunate, because one you blow your free SP you could be looking at months-long training to fly the kind of ships that are necessary for the most lucrative sites...
it just feels like the game is HEAVILY INCENTIVIZED to get you to spend money, even if it's not explicitly pay-to-win... waiting for things to train sucks, earning isk and getting ganked sucks, why do these thing when you can buy billions of isk and skillpoints working a part-time McJob...
the game therefore exists just to generate revenue. i know i'll drop it in a few months when i get totally bored of how soulless it is

Are triglavian ships for pvp only? I like the sharp edges, yet squishy tender antimatter core designs UwU

>>1828133
I don't buy SP and I'm having fun. I do have four omega accounts though.

Which I will say is semi required to have at least two accounts.

Why aren't you playing Eve Echoes? We have Itaship.

Normie is malding over this lol.

>>1828113
start with frigate T0s then work your way up to T1s if you're completely new to Abyssals.
Make sure your fit is cap resistant and can dictate range. By Tier 1s and higher... Tessera Battlecruisers and Angel Rooms will fuck you hard if you're not paying attention. The battlecruiser has perfect tracking under 15km so stay at range, Angels you just have to kill them before they kill/neut you.
The other rooms are all easy until you get to high tiers.

Tier 0 you want 100dps, Tier 1 240dps, and so on.
Its good content to run if you actually want to use the boosters in your redeem queue instead of letting them sit there for months at a time. The rats have better AI and stats than anything else you've probably done before, you cant treat them like regular NPCs.

>>1828135
Pretty much, they used to be used in PvE but their damage pre-spool has been nerfed so other options are much more appealing. Nergals are quite popular for burner missions though.
But nothing stops you from using them anyway, they'll still work. Just less efficient.

>>1828320
The Ikitursa kind of still works for high tier abyss with its large smartbomb setup in darks, but I don't recommend it unless you have money to burn and are already skilled into it. It's just not that reliable and losing one really hurts. You can't even go down to T5 abyss to avoid death rooms because the traditional kill rooms aren't a matter of stronger enemies but just too numerous of ones and a -50% range penalty weather.

I don't think anyone uses the other T1 hulls except the Kikimora for PvE content though. You could make an argument for the Leshak as an analog to a pulse Apocalypse (It has the same range and base damage as T2 pulse lasers if you have Leshak V and ramps on top of that), but the ammo is expensive and it's still not a marauder. The Vedmak is for being a kitey PvP cruiser and the Damavik is just entirely useless, compounded further by the price of its gun.

gila t5 is so fucking fun

it's useless because it's a frigate

>>1828500
Frigate diz nuts on your wormhole

>>1828329
I bought and fitted an Iki for t5 firestorms. Then came to my senses and sold it for 10% profit in jita and bought a set of subsystems for my t3c for wormhole games.

no regerts

I sold EVE ISK for real money for like 7 years. Ask me anything about the economy.

I basically beat the game.

I work a minimum wage job now, and it's better than playing this absolute dogshit piece of crap.

>>1828744
What transferable skills have you learned from playing EVE so much?

>>1828747
depression and ptsd

>>1828320
>>1828329
Oh well, that's a bit unfortunate. I'll do some chill content just to enjoy the aesthetics for now then. Mb will get around to learning them for pvp someday.

>>1828744
So the lesson here is to find better work IRL and give CCP more shekels instead of grinding for ISK.

>>1828798
always has been

>>1828750
Those are fast to train at any other job desu
My guess is your paranoia and multitasking stats should be off the charts. Try some government accounting/budgeting, especialy as an auditor. If you get high tier enough project there are some good money to be made with similar or higher responsibilities and stress levels to EVE.

>>1828821
he's multiboxing marauders in pochven.

The multi tasking is non existent.

>>1828824
c'mon bro, I'm trying to give him a compliment to keep the spirits up

>>1828826
do not compliment pochven niggers.

they should 52% themselves as soon as humanly possible.

>>1828827
You are a real EVE player

>>1828821
You must be white and financially privileged to come up with this post. Nothing about me changed. Eve doesn't teach you multitasking. At most, during this time, it taught the futility of labour, skill and work, crushed under the weight of capitalism.

It did teach me resilience in a way though. I'm 30 years old now and I work at a warehouse. Any workload is a joke to what I used to have to do for the same amount of money

>>1828845
Nah he just has no experience in what he's talking about. More stress =/= more pay. The best job is one anyone can do because its easy, but because people think it's hard it pays above average for the median cost of living in the area.

Imagine training to become a navy seal just to get blown up by some haji kid who cant read but can aim a mortar. Happens every day.

>>1828845
Just walk up to any hiring manager, give him a firm handshake and demand a job. ez pz

300k a year guaranteed

>>1828893
Can confirm. My job is piss easy. I sit in my office in my remote location and manage my Eve industry all day. I probably do 10-15 hours of actual work a week.

>>1828845
anon work is literally everywhere and doing basic manual labour pays fucking mint.
the retards complaining about there being no where are blue-hairs upset that there are no $10/hr Starbucks Barista jobs within a 2min walk of their house.

Bros I fucking miss wormhole exploring in my Astero plundering relic and data sites for my wormhole Corp

Is this game in a good state right now? The subs are crazy high but I know they're on sale often, I just miss the gameplay loop

>>1829313
Game's fine, specially wormholes. If you're in wormhole space the only thing different will be Laserhawks controlling every C6 and all the good C5s, so just avoid those and you'll be good.
There are also some group of fags that camp C13s for some reason but those are trash holes anyway.
>subs are crazy high
You can get it for like $12/mo during a sale which is the price of a beer at most local bars in this economy. People really freak out about the subscription then happily spend twice that much daily on Uber and Doordash
Worst case jump on and play for free.

>price of a beer at most local bars

>>1829385
Alright, thanks anon.
Any updates to exploring in recent years? Anything fun or fresh?
I had a solid Zeugma and a good Astero rig I was running last time, some top of the line exploring/hacking strength.
Last I remember doing was scanning down a silent battleground and our corporation was pretty excited to pick it clean with me

I have like 400m ISK
Is that enough to like.. reasonably afford a month of membership through PLEX these days?

>>1829431
Nevermind just looked it up
400m ISK isn't doing shit

400m is poverty tier in eve.

>>1829492
I have no real frame of reference since I primarily just explored and hacked in wormholes
The money I made was enough for a solid exploration rig, and I was happy with just that

>>1829495
Even if you were managing to make the 3bil or w/e required to plex, I'd advise against it. I've done it before. It sucks all the fun out of the game and you get burned out. Instead use the isk for shit you want to do in game.

The only time it makes sense to plex an account is if you're clearing hundreds of bil in profit a month.

>>1829507
Sounds good
I just want to jump back into wormholes and pilfer shit off data and relic sites again, I was super content with that

Did they add any new content around exploration? I saw they added "sovereignty" upgrades that make data and relic sites appear more often? Something among those lines?

>>1829511
Not sure about any specific updates to exploration. I know when I use to do it I'd fuck around in WHs. I've recently started doing it again, now in the safety of my nullbloc. I prefer the latter. The rewards come quicker and the risk is much much lower.

Getting ganked on a site in a WH sucks dick. Using dscan does fuckall because everyone uses a cloak anyway.

>>1829526
I recall, but I never actually got jumped in Wormholes, I only ever got caught in a sphere once but I was still cloaked so I wasn't caught
I played extremely cautiously but I was probably just lucky I wasn't instantly obliterated by a stealth bomber or something

>>1829528
If you're in a good WH corp and can clear the rats in a C5-6 then I think the pay is better. From what I've gathered though if you're just doing solo frigate exploration you're better off in nullsec.

All that being said, it's about fun per hour ultimately. If WH is more fun stick too it. Join a corp though. Game is meant to be played with frens.

>>1829392
nothing major, might be a couple of new sites but otherwise mostly the same.

>>1829534
I'm with All-Out and apparently its fucking dead as hell
Any other decent groups with fun people around? I can't find anyone to talk this with

>>1829511
>Did they add any new content around exploration?
like you mentioned, you can install a thing in sov null to force exploration sites to spawn in nearby systems that have a chance to escalate
no idea if anyone's using them

>>1829534
The pirate sites in c1-3 wormholes are identical to Nullsec sites. As far as c5 and c6 sites go, a c5 site can be cleared in 10 minutes with 2 Dreads and yields ~650m in blue loot, but that's with ~15b of dreads on the field plus a scanner and roller/s. C6 sites scale up much higher than c5 because you can throw more dreads at them to reduce time whereas it's not really worth doing more than 2 in c5.

>>1829840
>The pirate sites in c1-3 wormholes are identical to Nullsec sites

This is something I wish I realized years ago when I started doing exploration. I automatically assumed WH means more better because more risk. Just not the case. Just join a nullbloc and run sites. Again, unless you're in a position to clear C5-6 sites, which I assume most people are not.

they are better
wormholes all have perfect truesec

>>1829946
The tradeoff is that wormhole sites are a mixed bag of factions as opposed to being able to pick with nullsec. Evens out really.

it really doesnt even out, you're still significantly better off in wormhole space
as long as you ignore datas anyway

>>1828845
being white should be a prerequisite for playing EvE

>>1830054
When the game first launched it practically was.

Ironically the dog's ass side of vm

>takes three years to fully research a capital
>twelve years for a titan

>>1830193
good

>>1829921
I never interacted with combat in EVE, PvE or PvP, I just preferred hitting data and relic sites that I could properly scan down
However I'd love to have some friends that enjoy PvE, hitting the sites I'd find and cooperating together to profit

>>1830271
>cooperating together to profit
>*teleports behind you*
>*uncloaks*
>*backstabs you with a katana-shaped caldari missile*
>nothing personell kid

Even putting paranoia aside, you are almost always better off just soloing whatever PVE content you can find. Even if you aren't multiboxing. The only PVE content that you might actually consider doing with other people are:
- dessie/frig abyss, because multiboxing abyss is for special kind of autistic faggots.
- Homefronts in highsec, but good luck competing with actual chinese bots
- Incursions in HS, but they are boring as shit to do
- Escalation DED 10/10 sites in nullsec, you can field 2 or 3 T3C/HAC instead of a marauder, but I dunno if the loot is worth it for more than one person and you need to all be part of the same nullbloc.

Honestly, 3man frig abyss or 2man dessie abyss would probably be the most fun PVE content with actual people, and even after you split the loot it's still worth it. Especially frig abyss. But it only gets really worth it at T5/T6.

Exploration is always best done solo. The game is just completely built around multiboxing. If you want I can join you for some abyss PVE, be it frig or dessie, so you can at least get a grip on how to do it. Assuming you are EUTZ that is.

>>1830391
Such a shame there's not a big amount of content in exploring, I'd love so much more depth from it and the gameplay loop is addictive
Deeper hacking mechanics and puzzles under the threat of pirates and needing to be quick and stealthy is extremely addictive.

Maybe I should just make a game around a loop like this

>>1830271

This anon >>1830391 is right. Exploration is primarily a solo activity. idk what would be the best route for you, null or WH. It can be fun to join a fleet with your bros and pew pew.

If you join a null corp, you don't really have to do much thinking. Just follow FC's commands and chill. Bullshit with fleet members in chat, etc. Something to breakup the pace of doing nothing else besides exploring all the time. Depends on the corp, but you don't have to join fleets very much. Just kind of whenever you feel like it.

Plus you'll have a nice infrastructure/staging area. As well as nullsec sites you can hit with a higher degree of safety. Or just daytrip into a WH.

I can't speak to what a WH corp provides. If I had to guess they'd require more fleet activity from you, but on the flipside if its a good corp with C5-6 access it might be worth it to you.

>>1830422
Solo primarily, yeah. Its what I did before.
But I also would regularly scan down all sorts of really good pirate sistes or hybrid combat + hacking sites, and those would be nice to tackle with someone with an actual PvE rig where I could then jump in afterwards and hack all the cans for us.

Dunno. Would be fun to just regularly tackle stuff like this with a group of a few friends, though I'm not really sure where I'd find some folks like that

>>1830497
>though I'm not really sure where I'd find some folks like that

>open neocom
>social
>corporation
>find new corporation

Adjust filters. See what's available. Check online, etc.

>>1830509
I suppose, sure
I'll look around. I'd need to get Omega though and there aren't any sales at the moment, hmm

>>1830511
>there aren't any sales at the moment
I really need to start taking advantage of those myself.

>>1829921
Thing with null is
>fly through 10-20 systems
>find 1 maybe 2 relic sites
versus
>go into 1 wormhole
>find 1-3 relic sites.

Its a no brainer
Null is too packed out, every retard and his dog is down in Stain trying to do the same

>>1830527
Depends on the time of day I suppose. Also use the Agency tab. Makes it easy as fuck to find sites.

>>1830271
if you're looking for co-op PVE content your best bet is Abyssals or Incursions.
Beyond that, sometimes high-end wormhole combat sites or maybe running 10/10s together with a close friend so you can clear it quicker/safer and splitting the rewards.
There's also Homefronts but they're kind of weird, boring and are mostly done by multiboxxing bots

I reinstalled EVE and started scanning again
I can't believe I managed to find another Silent Battleground so quickly, I only ever found a single one before

>>1831729
literally same here, i reinstalled eve after a few years and have been daytripping into wormholes and running relic sites and ninja huffing gas

having a blast so far, but i wish we had a /vm/ wormhole corp