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>make a hero that is obnoxious in every way
>make them OP beyond belief
>why are players disconnecting

>>1878575
the only thing I dislike about Slanderous is how much he harps on players disconnecting ruining matches
like yeah man
it's bad that people leave
but holy fuck do you really not get it? really?
>load into a match
>rep 90 Orochi (who was able to deflect my 400ms lights as Highlander on reaction)
>rep 7 Virtuosa
>rep 67 Afeera
>rep 4 virtuosa
>over the course of the match you realize that they're a 4 stack
>at the end of the match the enemy team has a combined 4 deaths and every enemy player has 15-20 elims
>load into the next match and confirm that they are actually a 4 stack
dude
I am NOT playing that shit
I am opening task manager and closing the game and finding a new lobby
KILL YOURSELF if you think I'm about to just be a punching bag for some sweaty 4 stack in a discord call

BALANCE IDEA FOR GANKING

when you successfully land a GB on an opponent, you should instantly gain at least 50% damage resistance, if not more (doesn't apply to bleed or fire ticks)

right now if you're fighting 2 Virtuosas this is what happens
>they both stand in a stance
>attempt to GB one of them
>eat a heavy from the other
>literally can't do anything other than go for GBs so you just hope they get greedy and fuck up, otherwise you cannot begin to safely fight back
it's so fucked
and this doesn't just apply to Virtuosa, but Full-Block babysit gankers as well such as Warlord and Valkyrie
GB is basically a death sentence if you're trying to anti-gank

this would have zero effect on 1v1s, but would make it actually possible to anti-gank against characters like Virtuosa

>multiple matches of nearly full teams of virtuosa
how long before we found out she sold better than ac shadows?

>>1878560 (OP)
That's my wife

>>1878730
oh yeah?
well she's my (future) rape victim
enjoy her while she lasts

>when janky shitters start blocking/parrying/dodging/attacking confirmed followup lights or from recovery

>>1878575
Have you tried being good at the game?

List of heroes that should be removed from the game or nerfed significantly.
>Warden
>Conq
>Lawknigger
>Cent
>Glad
>Nigger prior
>Warknigger
>Peter Griffin
>Highlander
>Varangian
>Hitokiri
>Shaolin
>Trans pirate
>Fat African Stick Nigger
>Jungle fag
>Italian coomer bait

List of heroes that should be removed from the game or nerfed significantly;
>Any hero that gives me a hard time
>Any hero I don't like
>Any hero that you beat me with

>>1879150
My list is objective, not subjective. Faggot.

>>1879164
It's not, the entire list is easily summed up as a massive "Skill Issue" like the young ones say.

>>1879172
Defend one single hero on that list and explain why they are either a) balanced or b) should remain in the game

>>1878560 (OP)
Virtuosa looks pretty cool, might actually install this piece of shit again after like five years

>>1879196
kys

>>1879187
>Warden
His chains are very standard, his variable timing bash is a very fair and effective mixup where the trade off is a free GB regardless of charge level.
>Warmonger
The same as Warden on most fronts, her dodge unblockable is beaten by GB on reaction or a light/zone on right timing. Nothing about her is particularly unbalanced especially after the opening light nerf.
>Lawbringer
Same as Warden when it comes to their chains being standard with exception of their mid chain heavy being hyper armoured which can be predicted or played around because of how telegraped it is, additition of being able to mix in a 500ms bash during any part of said adds a layer of unpredictability to Lawbringer's kit giving them effective chain mid chain pressure so that they have more options other than just going for the UB.
>Glad
A walking reaction check because of their strong neutral game but their chain pressure is relatively weak since it revolves around toe stab which doesn't confirm anything unless you're OOS.
>Gryphon
His entire kit revolves around hitting his chain finishers 1 of which confirms a free GB if you make the right read and the other aren't threatening since they aren't unblockable, they're just design to punish you on wrong read or for use in teamfights, everything else about his kit is standard.
>Highlander
Highlander is all about making you make a read which is fine because all of his OS bashes are punished by GB, the OS lights are just a reaction check.
>Varangian
They have the worst forward bash in the game because of how late into the dodge it is and their entire offense revolves around their unblockable. Their entire kit is incredibly simple and doesn't ask many reads of you other than predicting when the Varangian is going to go for full block stance, it just means you can't dodge attack or try to interupt the varangian's attacks with lights mindlessly.

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>>1878999
Why do that when I can play Virt instead?

>>1879187
>Hitokiri
No opener other than Hebi which can be easily parried at any timing because of how smooth the swing animation is unlike other heroes with variable timed heavies, Hito's kick gives a GB as a punish regardless of timing while predicting a feint puts you back to neutral like with every other hero with a variable timed bash.
>Shaolin
Qi stance is just a blue or orange mixup, you can dodge the light from any direction at the same timing as the bash, dodging the bash gives you a GB if you predict they aren't going to follow up with a light which can only come from a single direction anyway. The sweep is punishable with a gb on correct read now that they've removed the ability to follow up on miss. Outside of qi stance all of their openers are standard and their infinite chain is only effective if you can't block 400ms lights.
>Pirate
Not strong in a 1v1 outside of their forward dodge heavy, in ganks they can no longer spam dodges or dodge out of their gun bash making them more vunerable.
>Medjay
His chains in both forms aren't anything impressive, his staff form bash is a good ganking tool but thats it as its very easy to dodge and punish outside of that other than that staff form is only good for team fights since it has nothing to force you make any sort of read. Axe form's infinite chain is mediocre due to the in chain heavies having zero purpose to them and are very reactable, you'll mostly focus around the blue orange mixup which does low damage and using the zone to go into unblockables. Mid chain zone is good for certain mixups off of the axe form chain bash but that too is mostly a reaction check outside of that its a reactible move due to its unique animation and coming from a single direction.

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>>1879187
>Ocelotl
His entire offense is simple making certain moves easier to predict, only move that would reasonbly give you a lot of trouble is his feintable bash because it can be done any at any time during his chain which gives you a free GB on right read
>Virtuosa
All her openers have standard timings and you can GB her out of her zone on startup, don't nakedily try to GB when she enters stance unless she's doing it from her feat because she's frame positive nigga. Depending on the stance you can either wait and react as every attack in Swarm and Guard posture is reactable, or if she's in Duelist posture block top and dodge to the right. In a 1vX gank just move away from her since she can't move and doesn't regain stamina.

>>1879235
>Warden
Variable timing bash is playing the game on easy mode. Always played by cunts who get off on making sure no one else is having fun
>Warmonger
Variable timed bash and a broken dodge attack
>Lawbringer
Bash on dodge should be removed. Again, always played by cunts who get off on making sure no one else is having fun
>Glad
Bash on dodge and toe stab should be removed
>Gryphon
I just don't like him and he should be removed
>Highlander
There are no such things as "reads" in this game. It's just about making a lucky guess. His kick / grab mix up should be removed.
>Varangian
Full block should be removed.
>Hitokiri
Kick / sweep mix up should be removed. Variable timed heavies should be removed.
>>Shaolin
Sweep mix up should be removed
>Pirate
Ugly trans freak with ugly voice lines
>Medjay
Hyper armour should be removed and so should his grab
>Ocelotl
Feintable bash should be removed - also ugly aesthetics
>Viruosa
Special full block stance should be removed. Ugly personality, ugly aesthetics.

>>1879133
>a woman showing her face is coomer bait
Are you doing okay Mohammed?

>>1879266
>Skill issue the post

>>1879273
You know exactly what I'm talking about you dumb fag
>>1879283
It's got nothing to do with skill. These things simply aren't fun to interact with and should be removed.

>>1879294
It is a skill issue, everything you're complaining about except on Pirate is literally just a skill issue. Get good.

>>1879303
Yes, we already knew you were a knigger, hence why you're defending the indefensible.

>>1879330
You got filtered by variably timed bashes

Why do some dodge attacks have guardbreak immunity but others don't?

>>1879384
feintable or can be done from multiple directions

>>1879387
Meaning the omni directional and feintable ones have immunity?

>>1879389
if the dodge attack is feintable like Warmongers or Jiang Juns it's guardbreakable
If it can be done from multiple directions like Zhanhu or Virtuosa it can be gb'd at hard feint timing

If it's a bash dodge attack, like Gladiator or Lawbringer, you can GB it after a dodge

>>1878890
Not if I rape you first

>>1879346
>Opponent has variable bash
>They don't charge it
>You have to dodge immediately or it will hit
>They cancel it on start up and guardbreak your dodge
>They delay it and bash you after your dodge anyway
It's a literal guessing game. There's no skill involved.

>>1879459
>NOOO I CAN'T MINDLESSLY REACT TO EVERYTHING I HAVE TO MAKE PREDICTIONS.

>>1879459
Humans aren't perfectly random and you can make predictions about their behavior based on what they've done previously.

>>1879525
Thanks for confirming you're a retard
>>1879533
Yeah, you can try guessing and hope you get lucky. Some heroes are able to force their opponents to guess more often and between more options, making them significantly more annoying to fight.

>>1879725
>WHAT? I CAN'T PERFECTLY REACT TO WHAT MY OPPONENT IS DOING? I ACTUALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT TO DO?

>>1879346
Factions were pointless anyway since you can be part of any and play any hero.
In an ideal world all heroes have armour sets for every faction and you'd get your greatsword knight Highlander, crazy Japanese Shaman and sword spear Viking Noobushi and so on. I guess Japs fuck with this to some extent because IDK what weapon you'd give Samurai Warden, but honestly they could just use a Chink-themed sword and wear Jap armor.

>>1879746
>t. knigger

>>1879751
This would have been awful. But your hero options should have been fixed to your faction or something similar.

>>1879757
>t. shitter
Your complaints are literally just complaining about effective offense for no other reason that it being effective offense.
>Nooo the mixup has multiple options
This is like complaining about rushdown characters in traditional fighting games.

>>1879785
I just want knights and outlanders removed from the game. That's it.

>>1879791
I want shitters to stop being shitters and making it everyone else's problem.

Someone give me any hot gladiator tips. Been having fun with the fork master, first assassin I’ve actually vibed with.

>>1878999
I value my stress levels and time more than I value your enjoyment of the game
it takes 20 seconds to disconnect the cable and be in another match

>>1879845
The only shitter here is the one who is dependent on his crutch heroes to win games.
>>1879858
Uninstall the game and make it more pleasant for the rest of us. This is a no knigger zone.

>>1879946
>It's a crutch because I'm a shitter.
see?

>>1879761
I remember people campaigning heavily for cross-faction armors, even on 4chan but then Chinese came out and it mostly stopped. Actually it might have been Black Prior since 90% of those people were just crying there was no sword and board knight and wanted a knight warlord.

List of heroes that should be removed from the game:
All chinks because they were only added to appease chinks and should never have been in the game
Thank you, have a nice day.

>>1880179
No chinese people ever have or will play this game lmao

>>1880179
trvthnvke
not looking forward to the next hero being a chink

>>1880222
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1fx4y1o7z2/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.9

List of heroes that should be removed from the game:
>all of the ones that look good in purple
>every single one shorter than 5'7
>cane man
>whoever's currently the last one to kill me
>JC
>the announcer
>white demon centurion

>>1880450
>>1880454
Hmm

>>1880496
You caught me anon, I figured it should've been greentext after I posted it. My sinister schemes exposed...

Polish Sarmatian sabre fencer when?

>>1879133
>>1879266
>>Highlander
>There are no such things as "reads" in this game. It's just about making a lucky guess. His kick / grab mix up should be removed.
holy fucking shit of all the things to complain about, you picked the kick to grab soft feint? one of his most useless moves
BRO
that soft feint literally only works against OOS opponents
if you dodge attack the kick you'll beat both the soft feint and any feint to GB attempts

Highlander has the weakest neutral pressure in the entire game
if you get him back to neutral he has NOTHING that is safe other than throwing out his zone and hoping you're dumb enough to try and parry it
if you're getting bodied by a Highlander it's because you've not only allowed him to get into his stance, but are also getting read like a book

wait actually Highlander is pretty crazy in low-tier shitter lobbies because idiots cant deal with hyperarmor spam
so actually your posts make way more sense

>>1880787
>adding a Polish character
>and it's not a Hussar
nah that'd be gay
need my wing cosmetics, and then a hero skin that gives him actual angel wings

>>1880926
A hussar without horse feels weird

>>1880926
>>1880787
NO MORE FUCKING KNIGHTS.

>>1880936
It's a knight's world and you're living in it.

>>1880936
move Gryphon to outlanders
add a Hussar

>>1880943
>>1880946
NO.

>>1880926
>>1880946
sarmatian can have a hussar outfit

>>1880924
Another boring faggot defending brain dead bash spam. Thanks for letting us know you main knight heroes. I don't give a fuck what I'm complaining about I just want highlander out of the game.

>>1881373
It simply has to be bait

>>1881545
>bait
says the guy telling people to get good at heads or tails

>it's 2025 and freeze is STILL in here coping that this shitty game is totally an ebin e-sports viable skill based fighting game and definitely not a pure 50/50 spam dopamine casino
holy kek

you niggers asked, no, BEGGED for the game to turn into this btw. Now lie in your shit-stained, bug-infested bed

Bros I can't fight it anymore, everywhere I go I see her face and that stupid fucking grin.

>>1881756
esports fags get the rope. I will hate that cunt forever for getting the minion kill animations removed.

>>1881756
I never asked for this

>>1881756
There is nothing wrong with it, literally just faggots(read: you and yours) crying that you can't just mindlessly react to everything.

>orochi
pull
>any of the chinese
pull
>any of the ''edgelord'' faction
pull
>shugoki
pull
>jorm
pull
>hito
pull

its a peaceful life

>>1882293
the game was 100 times better when it was reactions based instead of this dumb guessing game bullshit

>>1882315
No it wasn't, you're just blended by early week nostalgia the game was genuine ass in years 1-2. You didn't have to be a reaction monster to be able to consistently parry or block 600ms-550ms lights, slow heavies and slow bashes meant attacking was fucking worthless with most heroes unless you were up against somebody with the reaction speed of a fucking turtle. The best heroes of the old period were heroes that either forced a reaction or had an attack you couldn't react to and had to predict like Warlord's crashing charge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Cnmos6SdE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf7GSE8Ce94

The entire point of read based offense is to create effective offense that forces the defender to have to make a prediction how to respond to an attack instead of just doing nothing and being rewarded for it.

>>1882329
the solution to easy parries isnt making the game into a guessing game
even at the peak of the turtle meta, the game wasnt as ass as it is now

>>1882332
Turtle meta was fucking ass because nobody did anything in 1v1s except stare at each other and try to bait the other into attacking first, you are genuinely terrible at PvP games, not even For Honor specifically, if you genuinely believe that DOING NOTHING is somehow preferable to a system that actually encourages being aggressive.

You aren't complaining about having to make reads, you're complaining because YOU'RE SHIT AT MAKING READS.

>>1882341
>1v1
who the fuck cares about 1v1
>muh reads, muh reads
fuck off, go play rock paper scissors

>>1882344
>who the fuck cares about 1v1
Everyone who plays the game, because 1v1s are part of the game even in team modes. Ganking only further exacerbated how shit early For Honor was because the only way certain heroes could even safetly attack was to lock on to somebody else and throw externals all day because they can't be parried or in the case of a Gank your teammate could set you up by just spamming guard breaks or feint spamming to mess with indicators.

>fuck off, go play rock paper scissors
Again, you only make this type of complaint because you are SHIT AT MAKING READS thats the only logical explanation for why you're making such retarded statements. We can even reply your retarded though process to other genres of games. Do you think projectiles in all multiplayer shooters should be reactable and dodgeable too? Do you think all abilites in MOBAs should have massive wind ups and telegraphs? Do you think a player must first send an official declaration of war before they send their army to attack another player's base when playing an RTS game?

>>1882347
>Everyone who plays the game, because 1v1s are part of the game even in team modes
yeah because how many times do you actually get a 1v1 in a team mode.
>SHIT AT MAKING READS
irrelevant, having reads be the main mechanic of a game is pants on head retarded.

>>1882352
>yeah because how many times do you actually get a 1v1 in a team mode.
Many times because of how easy it was for certain characters to turtle in 1vX or team fight situations by just locking onto somebody far away and dodging to the side out of GB or heavy range and also because it was easier to farm revenge due to how borked the tagging systm was and the lack of ganking tools outside of certain characters.
>having reads be the main mechanic of a game is pants on head retarded.
Being bad at games is not a legitimate argument no matter how hard you want to pretend it is. If you think otherwise go argue with fighting game fags.

>>1882361
guessing isnt a skill. Having to spend time studying, getting hit and dying to ''figure out'' reads is bad game design.
if your reactions are good enough it should be enough.
if you read a combo, and they decide to change it midway trough, and you notice it, why the fuck am I penalised by making it impossible to change up my defense as well
>nope you chose to defend that way, too bad, you're getting hit

>>1882367
Being able to predict your opponents movements IS a skill, that's why its called making a read, because you're reading your opponent. Having to rely on pure reaction alone is retard because means that against anyone with sufficient reaction time you literally cannot do anything, why would you ever want to play a game where you get punished for engaging with your opponent? That's not fun and only further demonstrates my earlier point that you only argue against read based combat because you're bad at making reads and you just want to be rewarded for hebi on red.

>the last two lines
Why the fuck should the person going on the offense be at a disadvantage just for attacking? What sort of stupid logic is this? If the defender has the advantage then why would you ever attack to begin with?
>>nope you chose to defend that way, too bad, you're getting hit
Yes you actual retard, why is this an issue? You actually want most of your attacks to land and its not as if said attacks are automatically guranteed since the defending player still has the ability to defend properly if they're able to make the correct prediction. That's how its meant to work you WANT people to actually be able to attack, are you fucking stupid?

>>1882377
that doesnt work in a game where 3/4 of the characters have 50/50 mixups that can be changed at any time
>oh but why attack someone if they can just react to it
again, the solution isnt to make the game a guessing game. fucking make it advantageous to be the one on attack, be able to break someone's guard with attacks, fucking anything

>>1882383
>that doesnt work in a game where 3/4 of the characters have 50/50 mixups that can be changed at any time
That does work, you AREN'T listing reasons as to why it doesn't, how are you this retarded? You are literally just complaining about characters not being one dimensional with their mixups, you are complaining that you actually have to have character knowledge but you can't actually make a counter argument as to why its a bad thing without demonstrating that you're just bad.
>fucking make it advantageous to be the one on attack, be able to break someone's guard with attacks, fucking anything
NONE OF THESE WOULD SOLVE THE ISSUES OF REACTABLE OFFENSE YOU NUMBSKULL WHEN THE CORE ISSUE IS THAT YOU LITERALLY INVALIDATE ANY AND ALL OFFENSE, MAKING ARBITARY RESTRICTIONS ON DEFENSIVE OPTIONS WOULDN'T SOLVE THE ISSUE BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE ZERO INCENTIVE TO GO ON THE OFFENSE, THE MOMENT THE DEFENDING PLAYER TRIES TO ATTACK THEY GET SUBJECTED TO THE SAME OFFENSE INVALIDATION IF THEIR OPPONENT ALSO HAS A SUFFICIENT REACTION TIME NOTHING. READ BASED OFFENSE NOT ONLY SOLVES THE ISSUE OF HARD REACTIONS BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES A BETTER SYSTEM FOR GETTING AROUND A PLAYERS DEFENSE WITHOUT REMOVING THE DEFENDING PLAYERS AGENCY.


AGAIN, YOU ONLY COMPLAIN ABOUT READ BASED OFFENSE BECAUSE YOU, YOU, ARE FUCKING BAD.

>>1882387
>calls others bad
>cant deal with a turtle
you do know I can throw that argument right back right?

>>1882392
You aren't throwing it back you fucking moron when your entire argument literally falls in the face of turtling, you are actively arguing against a combat system that makes it harder to turtle for no other reason than you're just fucking BAD.

>>1882398
opening a turtle was never hard. in the worst case scenario, you could always diseangage and go for their teammates or objectives instead

>>1882402
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO OPEN A TURTLE IF THEY CAN JUST REACT TO EVERYTHING YOU DO? IF YOUR ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS ISSUE IS "LMAO JUST RUN AWAY" THEN THAT'S NOT A SOLUTION THAT'S JUST AN EFFECTIVE ADMISSION THAT TRYING TO GO THE OFFENSIVE IS A WASTE OF TIME.

AGAIN, YOU ARE ACTIVELY ARGUING AGAINST A COMBAT SYSTEM THAT ENCOURAGES OFFENSE AND THAT DRASTICALLY REDUCES THE ABILITY TO TURTLE. YOU ARE NOT DOING THIS BECAUSE ITS A BAD SYSTEM, YOU ARE NOT DRIVEN BY ANY SORT OF LOGICAL THOUGHT, YOU ARE DOING THIS PURELY BECAUSE YOU ARE BAD

>>1882407
you dont have to let attacks go trough
you could faint
you could gank
you could use feats
you could mixup
maybe you were just bad at the game
>nooo relying on your team isnt the solution
its a team game, of course its a solution

>>1882410
>you dont have to let attacks go trough
YOU AREN'T BECAUSE YOU CAN REACT TO EVERYTHING
>you could faint
FEINTS DON'T WORK, THEY'RE REACTABLE
>you could gank
DOESN'T WORK EITHER, THEY CAN REACT TO ANYTHING YOU DO AND STUFF YOUR ATTEMPTS AT GANK SET UPS BY JUST TARGET SWAPPING AND DODGING AWAY FROM YOU. YOU ALSO FAIL TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ENEMIES TEAMMATES
>feats
YOU ARE ARGUING IN FAVOUR OF UNREACTABLE OFFENSE, AKA READ BASED. UNLESS YOU'RE INSANE ENOUGH TO THINK YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO REACT TO OFF SCREEN PROJECTILES OR 300MS PUGIOS/KUNAIS/SHURIKENS
>mixup
DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THEY'RE REACTABLE
>its a solution
IT'S NOT A SOLUTION ITS A BANDAID AT BEST. BECAUSE YOU'VE AGAIN HIGHLIGHED THAT GOING ON ANY SORT OF OFFENSE IS A WASTE OF TIME UNLESS UNDER SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT ARE ALSO FLIMSY AT BEST.

>thread the most active it's been in years
>it's all arguing
Subarashii

>>1882312
>any knights
>any outlanders
report them for cheating, or anything else suitable, and then pull

>>1882347
> SHIT AT MAKING READS
There's no such fucking thing as a read you dumb cunt. It's a 50/50 toss up or worse. Your opponents don't follow patterns, they just mindlessly mash buttons.

>>1882407
>HOW ARE YOU GOING TO OPEN A TURTLE IF THEY CAN JUST REACT TO EVERYTHING YOU DO?
This is why everyone hates knight players. The irony is that you can't see it.

>>1882417
But you just told me that nothing is reactable and I'm a bad player because I can't just guess what my opponent is going to do?

>>1882893
Being a retard is not a counter argument, when you say this all you're doing is agreeing with that read based offense is indeed better. WHY WOULD YOU WANT EVERYTHING TO BE REACTABLE?
>>1882891
See >>1882889, this nigga is so predictable he thinks that Knight players are reaction turtling. EVERYTIME YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT HAVING TO MAKE READS IT ONLY DEMONSTRATES WHY YOU'RE SO ASS.

>>1882900
You're just another salty warden / lawknigger player running a parry script who is livid that he has been called out.

>>1882922
You are pulling shit out of your ass because you realise how incredibly retarded arguing against read based offense is.

>I throw a heavy
>My opponent goes to parry it
>Hard feint it
>He sees me cancel it and hard feints too
wow. nice game.

>>1882931
There is no such thing as a read. It's a literal guessing game. I don't think it can be made any more clear than that.

>>1882936
Because you're BAD at making reads, your earlier comment is a complaint about people not being retarded enough to get into a set pattern so that their attacks continue to get through. Which is a good thing, you should never be rewarded for being the passive player.

>>1882938
Yeah, so it's not a read based game. It's just unpredictable offence in a game that rewards brain dead button mashing. It's a coin flip as to whether or not you guessed your opponents reaction and are in a positon to counter them or not. So you do agree with me. Fascinating.

>>1882939
>Yeah, so it's not a read based game. It's just [read] based
Again every argument made against read based offense is not from any place of logic it's purely from because you are bad and aren't willing to git gud.

You want to just be able to counter your opponents actions without having to think about it and you seem to think fighting against an opponent who isn't a retard and doesn't get into a set pattern to throw you off is somehow a failing of the system and not you as a player as you're not able to deal with it.

>>1882944
How can I get good at guessing? Is there an effective way to win heads or tails more than 50% of the time? No? I didn't think so.

>>1882946
By paying attention to what your opponent is doing and predicting what move they're going to go for, you're playing against people not random number generation.

Here's an infamous example of a read being made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzS96auqau0

>>1882955
>you seem to think fighting against an opponent who isn't a retard and doesn't get into a set pattern to throw you off is somehow a failing of the system and not you as a player as you're not able to deal with it.
read this again you insufferable knight prick

I'm a supposed to be able to react to everything or is it a guessing game? You don't seem to able to decide lmao

>>1882974
>no argument
Again, you just want to able to mindlessly deal with your opponents offense, you don't like actually having to think about what you're doing.

>>1882976
being a retard is not an argument.

>>1882976
If you can REACT to everything, then movesets stop mattering

you're supposed to have to PREDICT moves in addition to REACTING to them

learning the movesets of different characters enables you to start PREDICTING

>playing for an hour
>not a single game lasted for longer than the character select screen
I need to get a switch on my ethernet cable so I dont have to pull it out manually all the time
im not fucking fucking the italian whore

you can fuck right off Ubi

>>1883001
Based. Never engage with pay pigs or shit players using crutch heroes found in the knight and outlander factions.

>>1882977
Shit knight player cope.
>>1882992
Heads or tails?

>>1883013
>No argument
>Again
Please try to pull this shit in a fighting game thread. PLEASE.

>>1883014
Yeah I'm not wasting my time arguing with someone as unintelligent as you.

>>1883016
>No argument
>Again.

>>1883022
>t. lawknigger

>>1883027
>He's having a massive sulk over not being able to handle Lawbringer's offense.
>He doesn't want to get better at the game, he just wants the game to cater around him.

>>1883032
Heads or tails?

>>1883041
>He's still trying to equate RNG to the actions and behaviours of real people
>All because he can't be fucked to learn how to play against Lawbringer.

>>1883043
There's nothing to do against lawknigger anyway. His dodge bash is safe, confirmed damage whenever you do anything and he will parry any attack you make. Go back to glazing freeze on reddit

>>1883052
>His dodge bash is safe
Dodge attack, side dodge bashes are vulnerable to GBs on miss
>confirmed damage whenever you do anything
No.
>he will parry any attack you make
Because YOU, YOU, are that predictable and BAD. Stop trying to make your inability to play against Lawbringers an issue with the game when its an issue with YOU.

>>1883056
>Dodge attack
H'es never going to throw it from neutral. Only in response to something you do. Any dodge attack against them is a free parry.
>Because YOU, YOU, are that predictable
Yeah, any and all input is just so predictable.
>light attack
pfft easy parry
>heavy attack
pfft easy parry
>feint your opener
pfft, predictable, guardbreak
Try using a hero that doesn't counter anything that their opponent does. Stop playing knights and actually play the game like everyone else.

>>1883092
>He's never going to throw it from neutral
HOLY SHIT ANON, YOU JUST MADE A READ, SO MAKE THE PROPER RESPONSE INSTEAD OF BEING A BRAINDEAD REACTIONNIGGER.
>Yeah, any and all input is just so predictable.
Yeah, YOU are that predictable.
>the only way he can imagine opening against somebody is to feint heavies all day
WHY ARE YOU SO SHIT?

>If you disagree with me you must be a Knightfag
I'm a Wulinfag, retard.
>inb4 HURR SHAOLIN
>inb4 HURR JIANG JUN
pic related.

>>1883095
Fuck off knightcel. If any input is predictable then the game is a reaction test and no """reads""" (see: Guess) are ever required. Which is it? Heads or tails?

>>1883098
>So predictable and retarded he thinks he's getting reaction turtled.
>He's now trying to argue the game isn't read based >Is still too retarded to understand that what he thinks is happening to him when he fights a Lawbringer, getting reaction turtled, is the exact situation reaction based combat leads to.
>the combat system that he wants instead of read based
STOP BREATHING MY AIR.

>>1883104
>All input is countered and punished
>Opponent can react to everything
>Bro just be less predictable
I told this game isn't about making """reads""" you stupid warden freak

>>1883106
>is told to be less predictable
>isn't less predictable and thinks spamming heavy feints all day is a good opener.
>his opponents aren't retards and shut him down
>AIEEE! I'M GETTING PUNISHED! MAKE EVERYTHING REACTABLE SO I CAN SHUT HIM DOWN!

>>1883107
So it is just a guessing game? Heads or tails?

>>1883109
>Once again trying to equate RNG to real human behaviour

>>1883110
>Commit to unblockable heavy
>Heads
>Feint
>Tails
Which is it?

>>1883115
>still trying to equate rng to real human behaviour
>Is implying that not knowing the outcome of an opponents attack with 100% certainty is somehow a bad thing

>>1883118
So you just have to guess correctly otherwise you lose? How do you get better at guessing heads or tails?

>>1883121
>You mean I can't just hard react to my opponent's offense?! I have to make a prediction?!
>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Yes, as I have already stated multiple times this is the point, this is how read based offense works. You not knowing with absolute certainty how to defend is a good thing stop trying to pretend it isn't just because you're shit at making reads.
>How do you get better [at making reads]
By paying attention to your opponent and making quick assessments about what they're likely to go for at various positions. That's why it's called making a read, because you are reading your opponent's behaviour and inclincations. You are not and are never meant to be 100% guranteed anything because that would mean attacking is worthless. Why is this so hard for your tapped ass to understand?

>>1882934
They're still vulnerable to the gb if they feint the heavy.

>>1883126
>you're shit at making reads
How can I get better at heads or tails?
>that would mean attacking is worthless
Why are lawknigger and warden players able to react to any and all of my input?

>>1883136
>How can I get better at heads or tails?
You being a disengenuous retard is not an argument, ignoring what has been told to you multiple times because you're too retarded to come up with a proper counter argument is also not one.
>Why [am I bad]
Once again trying to make a (You) issue into a game issue.

>>1883138
You're failing to address the central issue here. Heads or tails?

>>1883147
The central issue is reaction based combat vs read based, being an idiot who ignores what has been told to you multiple times is NOT an argument no matter how many times you invoke proof by assertion.

>>1883150
Heads or tails?

>>1883156
>proof by assertion
>all so he can pretend he won the argument
>fails to understand that continuing to ask heads or tails isn't making a point

>>1883161
Heads or tails? Come on, make a read. Show us how it's done.

>>1883163
See >>1883118
Then proceed to >>1883126

>>1883168
Come on. Make a read if it's so easy.

>>1883169
see >>1883126

Knight players are so fucking insufferable

>>1883171
Heads or tails?

>>1883174
see >>1883126

Because I understand Lawbringer's moveset, and the average LB player, I am able to make predictions.
>I throw out my unblockable heavy as Highlander, assuming that the LB will attempt to dodge bash it (dodge bashes defeating a feint to GB, feint to kick, and feint to caber)
>without reacting, I feint the heavy and dodge his dodge-bash and GB him after he's dodged
If I had *GUESSED* wrong then I would have gotten punished
because yeah
you're technically correct
it is GUESSING
but it's informed guesswork
in all sports that matter it is NEVER pure reaction work
even shit like Soccer, Boxing, Basketball, etc all involve constantly making informed guesses about your opponent's next move

IF YOU GUESS INCORRECTLY YOUR ANKLES GET BROKEN
>omg basketball is such a stupid guessing game uuugh
>don't the players realize it's all just a coin toss about whether your ankles get broken!

>>1883175
Lol. I guess you're too shit to make a basic read.

>>1883177
see >>1883126

>>1883176
>I throw out my unblockable heavy as Highlander, assuming that the LB will attempt to dodge bash it (dodge bashes defeating a feint to GB, feint to kick, and feint to caber)
>without reacting, I feint the heavy and dodge his dodge-bash and GB him after he's dodged
>he doesn't dodge bash and actually guard breaks your dodge because he's a lawbringer player and can't make mistakes

>>1883181
see >>1883095

>>1883179
Heads or tails? It's not a difficult question

>>1883183
see >>1883126

>Wow this for honor game must be popular
>Step in to the thread

holy shit this is genuinely /b/ tier posting

>>1883184
Just answer the question. Show everyone how easy it is to make a """read"""

>>1883189
see >>1883126

>>1883190
So you can't do it. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>1883191
See >>1883126

You do understand why I keep telling you to see this post right? You haven't actually addressed or properly responded to it at all and just defaulted to "muh coin flip" while failing to make an actual point as to why read based offense is bad.

>>1883186
honestly stay away if you never played it
its absolute dogwater

>>1883236
Shitters do not have opinions worth listening to.

I play only lawbringer and conqueror. Would I enjoy Pirate or the guan yu chinese motherfucker?

>>1883263
Pirate no, Jiang Jun yeah since he's closer to Lawbringer in terms of play style.

at this point I only play the game if im up against a warden, conq, kenshi, cent, law
the rest can kick rocks, just unfun to fight

>>1883303
>cent
>fun

>Schizo spends 100 posts arguing with himself
Does this game just attract mental illness or what?

Female (locked)

>>1883317
A wildly held idiotic opinion about this game is that it should have stayed reaction based like how it was when it first launched when all that lead to was an incredibly unfun retarded metagame based around not attacking or making your attacks unparriable.

These people will cling to this retarded opinion no matter how obviously terrible it is because they don't want to sit down and learn the game, they want to be rewarded for pressing buttons on indicator flash.

Body Type 2

>>1883356
No one asked

>>1883434
You're right nobody did ask about the opinions of retards

Post some fucking fashion

>>1883510
the first one I was going for a sort of byzantine look
the second is just a generic kingsguard from ASOIAF.
My third loadout is just the legendary outfit, painted white and to larp as Jaime

I swear the ronin faggot piece of shit is the most broken piece of shit in the game

>zoomer or groid in lobby
>seethes and unironically used "fr" when the team loses
>absolutely shit on them when we're on the same team after and they just freak out in chat at the other team and me calling them out
this game still makes retards uncontrollably angry I see, speaking of, does ubi bend you over their knee if you say the dreaded faggot?

Can't tell if I prefer warden or warmonger

>>1883811
I've been a warden main since the closed betas
and he's not gender locked

>>1883653
I can't stand warden's marching fire arms

I'm downloading For Honor

>>1884001
im uninstalling to counter your install

>>1883690
You can get your ability to use text chat and quick chat revoked if you're reported enough times. I've had it happen to me once, but now I don't have text chat turned on. Hardly anyone uses it, and no one typing in that chat is intelligent enough to convey anything worthwhile.

The funniest thing I've had happen fighting Virtuosa is having a pose off with Nobushi and her Hidden Stance. I wish I took a screenshot

>>1883277
I think I should have listened. I tried them both out in the training mode and gel'd with Pirate more but oh boy I suck with them.

also, is there a way I can connect my ubislop account to xbox to get all the reward bullshits off gamepass?

>>1884537
Hidden stances just loses to Virtuosa though so it's not particularly interesting.

>>1884540
>suck with pirate
I think you actually have to be bad to suck at the strongest, most brain dead hero in the game

>>1883653
Warden trash. Uninstall.

>>1884548

I can't consistently block lights or react to hit bash chains. How do I get better?

>>1884574
practice blocking in training mode
you're not meant to react to 500ms chain bashes, you have to predict them.

>>1884584
I feel like when I get hit by an attack the follow up bash is confirmed. Even when I'm expecting it I can't dodge. I eat Valks sweep every single time

>>1884550
stay mad

>>1884590
you can also practice the dodge timing for mid chain bashes with a bot, ideally you should have it pepper in different chain finishers too so you get used predicting

>>1884607
You can dictate the training bots behaviour? I thought it just let you practice your own combos

>>1884658
You can make them do or rotate between specific moves, just open the training menu from the pause screen.

>rapiers are dainty, lightweight weapons
I want this meme to die

>>1879398
You can't hard feint Zhanhu or Virtuosa's dodge attack.

>>1884804
It will never die, just like how bows are perfect for weak women to use.

Kind of wish that turkish mace + shield was more my style, but I dont' like her too much.

>>1884590
you have to be mashing dodge before the attack that leads into the bash even hits you otherwise you miss the dodge window

what would be the best hero to larp as a bolton?
I want to best emulate the skinned man armor too
I was thinking going for BP because I already have too many wardens

how the fuck do you even counter the fat samurai fuck?
hyperarmor on everything

>>1886093
>what would be the best hero to larp as a bottom
weird request but probably the centurion since they're roman? maybe the peacekeeper or that counter attacking chinese dude.

>>1886128
>bottom
I think its pretty neat, aesthetically. The skinned man armor and all my heroes have the boring regular steel look to them

Is Khatun broken or a favourite of scripters? because i've seen unmemorable shit ones, that guys with less than 5 rep in her pulling frame perfect bot level inputs that you can have in a corner and they dont miss a beat

Post one hero you think should have never been added. For me it's Pirate

>>1886331
shaolin

Virtuosa's voice actress according to imdb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5L80-0v2YQ

>>1886407
cant tell, I never played against a virtuosa yet and I have voices turned off

>>1886419
Weak Aura

I'm going to main VG, any tips?

>>1886465
you do you, i'll wait till the nerf hits
it doesnt take long to disconnect the cable

>>1886473
Don't get too flinchy with the full guard, people expect you to do it

>>1886331
Pirate is absolutely the sore thumb of the roster. A prime example of why devs listening to the community isn't always a good thing.

>>1886347
>actual magic teleportation
I just wish they did more of this.
>>1886331
>>1886564
why do people hate pirate?

>>1886943
ugly trans freak

>pirate is counter attacker
what the fuck does this mean. I should be waiting for parries before going in?

>>1887055
It means you're a troon and you're going on my block list for playing it

>>1887091
I don't see how that's going to help me get better at pirate.

>>1887097
Why would anyone want you to get better at it? Don't be so selfish and stop trying to ruin the game for everyone else.

>>1887111
I like the gun and her footshot execution is cool as fuck

>>1887148
Thanks for letting everyone know you have shit taste.

>>1887209
nta but thematically pirate could be really cool, it's just that it doesn't matter because she's obnoxious to play against and I hate her voice

>play at 400fps
>can react to unblockables, 400ms attacks and differentiate lights and heavies
>pretty much unbeatable to most players
>dont have to give a shit about reactablity vs reads because almost everything is reactable to me anyway
feels good to be a richfag

>>1887308
>Everyone leaves the game and rich anon wonders why he's always stuck bullying full lobbies of bots

>>1886943
I hate her because she breaks the aesthetic, setting, and lore of the game. Outside of that she's braindead easy to play and very strong which would be awful even on a properly medieval character. It doesn't help that she didn't do anything to actually appeal to the retards that wanted a pirate until the Coalheart skin released.

>>1883510
i started playing kyoshin just so i could use this set

>>1887743
>her
This is honestly the funniest thing about pirate. It's supposed to be a woman lmao

singer for Virtuosa's theme.
https://www.youtube.com/@DanielaFiorentino10

>>1888112
No one asked.

>>1888228
No shit nigger, are you dumb?

>>1886564
>A prime example of why devs listening to the community isn't always a good thing.
No one that asked for a pirate character wanted a chink pirate.

>>1888275
So why share this garbage here?

>>1888384
Because I wanted to, are you dumb? Why do I have to do what you want?

>>1888341
I think she's cool.

>>1888739
Yeah, we established that you have shit taste already.
>She
LOL

Isn't it funny how every female hero in For Honor is bigger than the average male nowadays?

id marry nobushi

how can you actually beat a shugoki?
he's got hyperarmor on everything, he can beat charges, he can heal, he can knock you down
I started quitting if there's one on the enemy team

>>1889011
When he misses his fully charged heavies you get a guardbreak. When he misses his hug you can do whatever you want to him. If you predict his headbutt you can do a dodge attack. Hyperarmor on everything isn't too bad if you don't constantly attack and give him trades.

>>1889081
and how the fuck do you get him to miss the charged heavies, they track you even if you try to roll away
im not playing assassins...

>>1889081
You actually don't get a GB off of a whiffed full charged heavy, Shugoki has really quick recoveries on them for some reason.
>>1889098
Dodge on correct timing instead of dodging on indicator flash

>>1889117
I just tested it in training mode, you get the GB.

So why does Warmonger speak in English anyway