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News
>Legion Expansion Released
>Babaroga and Sarathiel, a Triglavian Marauder and Angel Cartel Dreadnought is now available so you can never, ever use them
>Freelance jobs are out in a broken and incomplete state, to no one's surprise
>Rollback of Surgical Strike resistance nerfs
>Logistics ship buffs
>Some cruisers models have been redesigned (Made worse)
>Several more SovHub upgrades and buffs that no one cares about
>The Cenotaph remains utterly broken
>CCP makes a bunch of dumb changes don't ever remove this from the OP because it's always true

Old Thread: >>1831747

kys

kevin wouldnt fuck up the news like this

Then maybe kevin should have made a new thread instead of being a bitch

Who the fuck is Kevin?

Anyways, Carriers are perfectly balanced, it's just that literally everyone in the game other than me doesn't know how to use them. It's a burden sometimes, being so smart.

carriers are op

Why is the Crusader popular now? It used to be shit nobody looks at.

>Why is the Crusader popular now?
it's not
>It used to be shit nobody looks at.
it got a huge buff a couple of years ago in the interceptor changes

>>1880077
meme from 2014

when kevin leaves us it is truly over

For me it's still the Taranis

atron hull is soul

Fags in thread, docking up.

Just remember if you've accidentally joined another voiceless low activity retirement corp, make your plans to leave and do it quietly. These corps are black holes slowly absorbing and destroying player counts

>>1880972
>black holes slowly absorbing and destroying player counts
i thought that was eve

>>1879243 (OP)
So Cenotaph and Tholos, how much do you guys think they'll dominate the Alliance Tournament meta this year?

>>1880972
>low activity retirement corp
aka: A good corp.
I hate being told what to do, when to do it and how much I need to be online.
I'll do my own shit in my own time when I want and take extended breaks to play other games and you'll like it.

>>1881042
Nah Nullsec. Nothing ever happens there even when they're ""at war"".
The isk is shit, the content is boring and has no variety and the PVP is anchoring to an F and pressing F1.
CCP need to ditch working on the lost cause that is null and focus on lowsec some more.
Uprising unironically saved Eve. People already forget that the player count was down to 9k before that expansion came out.

>>1881247
Tholos isn't that great, will see some play in rushes when the ceno is banned but it's a slow, squishy destroyer that doesn't provide any utility besides damage.
Ceno seems pretty solid so far, obviously it's amazing in rushes but I've seen it used in control comps too. It is still slow though so if teams learn to play around the ceno its lack of range may cause it to fall out of favour. CCP has also mentioned they're looking at how OP it is and they don't take tournaments into account when deciding the release date of balance patches so I'd guess some teams might be a little hesitant to rely on it too much in case it gets nerfed into the dirt.
This is just from what I've observed though, who knows maybe Tuskers have theorycrafted some crazy tholos comps or something.

>>1881345
So you're saying that last year we got Geddon Navy / neut ban spam and this year its going to be Tholos/Ceno ban spam?
Gotcha

bizarre that they care about ship balance only when it affects the AT

the sub price changes feel ok but the problem is the game is not worth subbing

what sub price changes
that shit is still 20/mo

>>1882110
It says that you now get plex along with omega time. And no more plex/omega time sales.

>>1882114
>And no more plex/omega time sales.
it says no such thing

>>1881247
You can behave like that if you want to: in an NPC corp. I'll even help you move on.

Joining a corp that has actual goals and ambitions means sacrificing some of your time to help speed things up. Low societal participation is exactly why so many cultures fail. By saying you want to be an atomised free agent you're admitting your time has no value to your peers.
>Yaap0r

>>1882223
What the FUCK is this schizo talking about?

meds
NOW

Thinking anout buying 1 or 2 year omega what are you guys doing with this sale?

>>1881248
Where is the good isk?

Do you guys seriously plex alts with irl money. IDK if i can ever justify that...

>>1882272
what sale
only 1/3 month are on sale and the price is bad

>>1882278
2 years omega is 45% off and 1 year is 40% i think. Same with mct

Single account wormhole living? Is it possible?

>>1882294
Yes, just harder.

>>1882294
possible, yes but also pointless.

wait wtf 6/12/24 month omega is gone from NES?????

they had better come back when this shitty 1/3month sale ends

>This marks another step in moving away from discount-chasing and FOMO cycles.
>We want to reward longer-term commitment with genuine value, and at the same time, ease pressure on the in-game PLEX float and trading.
>This will make more of it available to players who play for free, or for things like war funding, ship replacements, and, again, fun.

shit, >>1882114 might be right
if we dont get another omega+mct sale before my omega lapses in 2026 im never coming back to this shit game (for real this time)

>>1882283
That is the normal price, don't get yourself scammed.
Those longer packages only go on sale around Christmas.

>>1882301
They are not gone from the NES, look again but sober this time.

>>1882360
they are gone from nes

>>1882371
Please explain to me what I'm looking at right now then.

>>1882376
ok well i promise you they werent in my nes. only 1/3 month + gay mastery packs

>>1882376
Have you tried not looking at the NES and actually looking at the eve online store you dumb autist.

>>1882376
>>1882416
How is 275 plex a month not a good deal?

>>1882502
kill yourself retard
how would looking at the eve store prove that 6/12/24 month omega is in the NES unlike what that anon says

>>1882505
its an ok deal but its also available all the time. it has gone on sale for less than 275/month before, and for some of those you didnt even need to pay for 2 years in advance to get it.

the only omega sales right now are:

NES (expires tomorrow):
1 month + "bonus items" (100k sp, 6d +6 accelerator, glamourex booster) for 425 plex
3 months for 1080 plex (usually 1200)

RMT (expires next week):
3mo + 250 plex @ 48 USD
6mo + 500 plex @ 84 USD
12mo + 1000 plex @ 144 USD
24mo + 1500 plex @ 264 USD

they better give us another 50% off omega+mct or im gonna riot

>>1882505
>>1882510
in May you couldve gotten 12 months for 2880 plex (240/mo). thats an actual sale.

>>1882510
>24mo + 1500 plex @ 264 USD
This seems good if paired with
>3 months for 1080 plex (usually 1200)
Thats 27 mo for 264 which is 9.78 USD per month.

>horde moves
>manufacturing becomes a much larger chore

tf is this bs. There is no reasonable way to move things to and from E8-. All the manufacturing plants worth a fuck are at least 3-4 jumps away and require an ansi. Fine with a blockade runner, but otherwise is asking to get raped.

Even if you don't die, the extra time involved to move shit makes it pure cancer. I just want to go back to MJ. fml

>>1882631
Horde i1s your problem, if you are going with a nullblock for industry you need to be in goons.

>>1882644
Horde is just there to drain money from people, goons is basically a retirement alliance now who just keeps crazy infastructure. Everyone else is volatile. If I had to live in dullsec it would be in goons. Think about it this way, they were in delve for 10 years.

>>1882631
>There is no reasonable way to move things to and from E8-

Just manufacture in MJ and JF it to E-8. Even if you don't have your own JF, surely Horde has a JF service and it shouldn't be much for only one jump.

>>1882294
honestly just daytrip. keeps shit simple.

>>1882277
yeah
its called a job

>>1883160
m-m-masaka!

>>1883160
Nice try Hilmar. You're not getting one merkelshekel out of me ever again.

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>1883281
What's the matter, goyim? You don't like getting paid 5mil for a whole site?

>>1883480
Brother can't understand how datas are about compounding investment. Data's are only shit if you don't do any kind of t2 manufacturing

>>1883524
i do a ton of t2 manufacturing. datas are still fucking worthless.

>>1883547
This.

>datacores I hack myself are free

>>1883547
"Bitch you play EVE online, your time has no value" - The Mitanni

I'd have to bot a dozen accounts just to get enough cores and decryptors for 11 slots lol

>>1883600
It's relative to the area of space you live in. Obviously if you lack the manpower to control some area of space then you will be stuck doing lower value activities. Not everyone lives in a c5 running sites for 500 mil an hour. The latest economic report makes it clear that MPI is going up because fewer people are generating resources than before. I'll have to double check the commodities but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see data site stuff has remained static or risen

>>1883676
>fewer people are generating resources than before

I'm getting closer and closer to canceling my indy accounts. Feels like I'm treading water most of the time. May as well spend the money on plex and buy fun stuff instead.

>>1883524
how the fuck is 7 random datacores, probably for shit i dont even build, supposed to help me

i was looking for wormholes anyway

>>1883281
are deepflows any less trash now

>>1883712
Hurf blurf if datacores weren't available from other sources and not farmed relentlessly by fw bots then you might have a coherent argument. As it stands
Data sites have a drop table primarily geared towards T2 invention and rarely include niche module bpcs. Most players aren't interested in doing t2 invention and the success rate of invention is probably too high quite frankly. Instead of a desperate market needing datacores, there are millions of them rotting on orders

but why do data sites have all those weird toolkit drops with literally zero use?

Data sites are evidence that god isn't real or hates us.

>>1883899
i havent killed an npc in 5 years, i have no idea

>>1884027
data sites dont even give every kind of datacore, many are only available from lp stores or r&d agents

Absolutely RIVETING gameplay.

>>1884037
Because datasite loot tables haven't been properly updated in forever.

They should just remove the retarded, worthless T2 BPCs from data site loot tables and put in something that makes more sense. Like say, pirate ship bpcs, with a rare chance to drop pirate capital bpcs. It makes sense since those are fucking pirate data sites, and maybe it would lower the price of those things enough that people actually start using them instead of just being memes.

But CCP is retarded as expected. God I hope they get bought by NetEase, NEXON or some other ultragreedy company that will just kill them.

>>1884396
>and maybe it would lower the price of those things enough that people actually start using them instead of just being memes.
CCP doesn't want people to use them, because if people use them CCP has to balance them. They exist to be meaningless flex in ganks.

>>1884396
Adding pirate BPCs to data sites won't do shit to lower pirate ship prices, you can already print Guristas and Angel ship BPCs like crazy with pirate FW but the prices will remain inflated because of net resonators costing 1mil+1k LP a pop

>do data site in buzzard despite knowing the loot is trash, w/e
>hack can
>drones show up
>can't loot because drones show up
>buzzard has no offensive abilities
>can was empty anyway
>warp out without finishing the site
>other two cans probably only worth a combined 1m isk anyway


When we win, do not forget that the people who develop these data sites want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny.

>join fat streamer playing eve
>won't stop talking about food.
>most popular on twitch
This months twitch drops will be hard to get.

>>1885411
just leave it on mute in the background

Well guys what do you think?

>>1885021
Still better isk then anything else in the game.

>>1884390
Why are you in a thanny cloaked in a wh?

>>1886858
>Reddit

What I think? I think you should go back there nigger.

>>1883281
Dude how are there that many holy fuxk!

>>1886863
Yeah fuck off, social media is a battlefield, this is my home.

>>1884027
I just got a reaction bpo from one not long ago.

>>1886858
The only way im doing industry is if I can do it in Amarr and i hear highsec industry is terrible.

>>1885411
Are new drops out?

>>1886873
Have to wait somewhere around the 10th of this month for the skin to come around.

>>1886861
I'm in an Archon now.

dead game

>>1886923
Why do you own such dumb expensive ships?

>>1886959
With 25k players?

>>1886986
Those are only like 6b each, they're just for rolling holes. The expensive ships are the PNIs and Zirns.

>>1886991
>players

>6b archon
>just for rolling
wtf do they really cost that much now

>>1887058
Used to be more, used to be like 7.5b up until the industry changes a few months ago.
idk I feel like 3b Dread hulls is honestly too cheap. Navy Dreads for 4.2b is somewhat silly, they're cheap enough that they honestly infringe on the use-case for marauders.

how have navy dreads improved the game

>>1887180
HAW dreads are like, the best shit ever man.

>>1886998
How are you so rich?

if you need carriers for rolling its safe to say you arent worrying about isk

>>1885411
There are so many like this, which one are you talking about? Is he really old and barely paying attention too?

>>1886859
Data sites? How poor are you?

>>1886991
>2500 multiboxers

>>1889188
I did the most important thing there is to do in Eve, I got the fuck out of nullsec.

>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again

The biggest wormhole brawl of the year is happening and you're cringeposting about industry?

>>1889460
Got 2 bill from 3 sites yesterday. What are you doing for isk? Lol

>>1889498
Your indy should be making you money...

>>1886858
Whats to revive?
These retards make stupid posts not knowing what the fuck they're talking about.
Its the same retards who cry "WAH gaem is ded!" when they forget we went from 9k online to 35k online in the last 2 years.

>>1889642
What is that like 50 people? Lol

>>1889656
>billions of isk being used as volume.

This graph actually shows how bad it is considering the insane amount of inflation.

>>1889478
Where did you go? I was thinking about joing a pochven corp

Gonna try missions because i want to try highsec playstyle. Thinking about doing sarum family or theology council. What do you guys think.

It's over
FFEW got blobbed to shit and fed 700b

>>1889642
>brawl
i thought one side had hole control so it was impossible for the other to get any ships into the system and it was just a structure bash

>>1889825
https://br.evetools.org/related/31001712/202508030400

FFEW had a lot of people inside already, not to mention 50 dreads.

>>1890004
>Obelisk on a killmail
Yes I know how it works, I just think it's funny

>i want to try highsec playstyle

When are they going to give omega discounts so I can hop back into the game?

>>1889498
>resupply indy
>have plenty of isk leftover
>get annoyed that my projected profit for the week is less than 1% of total net worth and less than 5% of working capital
>plough rest of the isk into low-volume high-margin items
>eventually have to write them off
aaaaaaaaeeeeeee

>>1889659
this, its worthless without jita as a benchmark.
And plex/skill extractors/injectors should be excluded.

>Amarr is slow so no doctrines
>Let's fly Eoses
Dumbass FCs

fuck the meta
fly whats fun

>>1885021
>>1886859
Are drone data sites that profitable now?
I remember it was about getting <20M from a site with 95% chance, no better than looking for wh ghost sites with a slim chance of correct omega implants

>>1890004
I love to see frat fucks die. This one is even better imo

https://zkillboard.com/kill/128946440/

>>1890004
This is why WH content is dogshit. Even null is better.

>>1889463
Every expansion without fail 500 dumbasses come out and start throwing threats to unsub their 10 alts. The average player has an alt subbed concurrently to their main. If the player count dropped to 9k what does that actually represent? Because there's like 8000 systems in the game and most of space is empty.

>>1890187
The meta is fun

>>1891742
what meta

>>1892795
Unsubscribing.

Come and live in lowsec with me bros

>no bubbles
shite

agreed, pvp without bubbles is just unbearable

>>1893426
Without bubbles you force engagements on structures and inside sites. You know, the gameplay that a game about building empires should be about and less about bubblefucking a gate so that nothing can get out without being sniped?

>>1893535
>Without bubbles you force engagements on structures

>warp into a bubble in my prowler
>do a 360 and walk away

Guy must have been asleep at the wheel. I got decloaked and was able to hit my nullifier and get out.

>>1891545
>If the player count dropped to 9k what does that actually represent?
it was the pre-Uprising days when nullsec indy/miner fags were butthurt and unsubbing all their alts.
Then Uprising came out so everyone resubbed to go welp dreads in lowsec.
Thank fuck for that. Nullsec went nowhere and wormholes are going to shit now that they're turning into a singular empire that evicts anyone that refuses to obey them.

>Without bubbles you force engagements
nearly all participants can warp off at any time

and if they run, you win

you might win your structure timer, but your enemies field a very expensive fleet, get completely outplayed, and lose not more than 1-2 ships. it's retarded
bubbles are a good thing

>>1893253
I live in a wh unfortunately

>Create a Sabre alt
>Once it's a perfect Sabre skill it into something else
>Eventually has enough SP and things trained that you need a pod
>Extract Sabre skills so you don't feed an expensive pod with your Sabre
>Create a Sabre alt

>>1894228
>>>Eventually has enough SP and things trained that you need a pod
I can't tell if you mean implants or if you didn't notice that SP limits haven't been a thing in almost 10 years.

>>1893580
Bubbles are used in nullblob fights to stop titans emergency warping off grid during disconnects.

>>1894683
Ok, I knew that already. What does this have to do with my post?
The structure won't stop them e-warping if they're not tethered.

How much do you guys put in a hauler in highsec? Seems so ridiculous to have nothing in it because the value is too high

>>1893253
Lowsex is fun but it drains you of isk.

>>1895370
Depends on what kind of hauler.

>T1 haulers
I've personally hauled over 2b worth in some T1 haulers but it really depends on your route, how much tank you have and your general knowledge of gankers, ganking methods etc. I've even used gallente/minmatar specialized haulers before my skills for T2 haulers were trained because there were some good opportunities. Generally you want to be able to tank at least 1 tornado hit, preferably 2. Very few gankers outside Jita/Amarr multibox more than 2 tornados. Just be aware of potential cargo scanning ships on the gates, get really good at cloak/MWD trick and learn to use your dscan while on the move. Check the gatecheck sites and streams for gatecampers.

>T2 haulers
By now you are expected to know what to do. If you are flying a DST fit whatever you think you can get away with depending on your route. DSTs are pretty solid in HS/LS and wormholes.
If you are flying a BR then whatever, you can get anywhere to do anything if you are good enough. Almost impossible to catch a well flown BR in any area of space.

>Sunesis
A good option for low-volume/high-value HS/LS transport. Cheap, can be easily fitted to be under 2s align, while being resistant to smartbombs (not immune though, don't warp gate to gate if you know there's a guy multiboxing 8 smartbombing battleships).

>>1895507
Don't BRs get killed on sight?

>>1895507
This is a fucking excellent write up, thanks man.. im afraid to haul more than 50 mil desu

>>1895608
>Don't BRs get killed on sight?
How can you kill something that you can't see?

If you are flying BRs you have covops cloak (can warp and move while cloaked). You also have (and this goes for ALL haulers, not just BRs) instadock and instaundock bookmarks on every major trade hub (and wherever else you trade often). And if you are going through null and some gankspot lowsec systems (Ahbazon) you will also want to have tactical bookmarks and perches on the gate to which you warp to avoid smartbombs/bubbles and get a better look on the gate.

A typical Viator BR, will have sub 3s align time, CovOPS cloak, will have interdiction nullifier, enough HP to tank a couple smartbombing battleships, go over 11 AU/s and have the smallest hitbox for decloaking purposes. Your only real enemies at that point are guys who multibox 5+ smartbombing BSs, tons of decloaking cans around the gate (if you are sub3s, even fighters will have very hard time decloaking you before you are in warp), catch/drag bubbles with decloaking cans (easily avoided by bouncing off a celestial or warping to a perch bookmark) or just really bad luck (server disconnect). You pay for that insane amount of safety by having a low cargo space.

>>1895507
>I've personally hauled over 2b worth in some T1 haulers

I wouldn't recommend this.

>>1895629
You're going to need to get comfortable with it. If you're T1 hauling you really can't push that number much higher. Once you're in T2, hauling billions of isk is normal.

>>1895896
Always remember that ganking isn't necessarily economical on every kill, it's economical long term because of the freighter and hauler targets that have 500mil or more in cargo. Above a certain point it doesn't matter what you fly because 20 catalysts costing 8 mil each will just fuck you with 16k dps. There is an actual hp ceiling you will bounce off per hull. This is the primary reason battleships got hp bonuses to buffer mods, because they weren't tank enough and even today many BC are competitive

I love smoking weed and dunking krabs

drugs are bad, m'kay

>>1895370
depends on the hauler.
Tech 1 hauler like a couple hundred mil.
DST maybe half a bil to 1bil depending on the route.
Magnate for small/valuable shit, it warps fast and carries 1700m3 (gankers expect the Sunesis but no-one expects the Magnate), max couple hundred mil in that too but I use it for Abyssal loot and such (I have a DED station in the same system so I dont have to go far with it).

I try to stay pretty organised and usually haul small bits of loot every time I go somewhere instead of letting a few billions pile up at a time.

>>1895608
Yes, if they see you.
If you fly it like a typical cloaky then even in highsec it'll be hard for someone to catch you. Just dont be a dumbass and autopilot uncloaked or anything.

krabbing is worse

the only times I've lost haulers is due to my own retardation. every time it was avoidable, but one can't be on guard all the time

is at actually the ultimate krabbing meta
>show up for practice 1hr a week
>repeat for 2 months
>play maybe 1-2 matches, dodge the rest
>collect 400b
why isn't everyone else doing this

Most haulers can be easily fit with a tank, warpstab, mwd and a cloak, you have to be dumb to lose one in lowsec.

>>1897259
It's hard to get into a team that'll actually perform well, to be fair. I luckshitted myself into a solid AT team thanks to my history of being in smallgang corps but I genuinely don't know how I'd get into the AT if I was a goon/hordeling. I'm not actually very good at this game, just the epitome of "fake it till you make it"
We might've practiced against each other a few days ago, if you're who I think you are

You have like
4 hours to get that khanid punisher skin.

>forgot to start my reactions this afternoon

Just fucking kill me.

I'm never going to be able to afford a JF. Am I, bros?

>>1899468
why not?

>>1896542
True. But every gate could mean death

What actually prints isk without paying for a bunch of accounts? Ishtar spinning seems to be bad isk, so is mining.

Like seriously I frel like im going crazy here, I want to start plexing alts with isk to scale up but I honestly do not see a single activity that actually makes isk at a level that plexing accounts makes sense

What actually prints isk without paying for a bunch of accounts? Ishtar spinning seems to be bad isk, so is mining.

Like seriously I feel like im going crazy here, I want to start plexing alts with isk to scale up but I honestly do not see a single activity that actually makes isk at a level that plexing accounts makes sense.

>>1898355
Why is that bad?

>>1899731
Yep, something you just have to accept when flying one. But realistically you only fly one when you're hauling billions of spicy cargo anyway so it doesnt really matter cuz you're at risk anyway.

>>1899767
True otherwise just fly a cheaper hauler. Also freighters are dumb and i don't know why anyone flys them.

>>1899739
>What actually prints isk without paying for a bunch of accounts?

I'll give a breakdown in tiers

>God tier income (aka 0.5~1bil/hour)
High tier Abyss
C5/C6 wormhole ratting
Lv5 missions
Pochven

>Great tier income (100-200mil/hr)
Almost-high tier Abyss
C3/C4 ratting
Incursions
Burner missions
Doing explo or the combat sites on the first day of the event
Good luck in 8/10s or 10/10s
KRAB beacons (almost not worth it with how much isk you have to field honestly)

>Meh tier income (60-100mil/hr)
Ishtar spinning
Low tier abyssals (Frigate T1 speedruns for example)
Regular lv4 missions for a decent corp in a decent ship
Exploration during events
Faction Warfare if you know what you're doing and dont feed massive losses
Homefronts
Getting decent luck in Escalations/Anoms/Belt ratting
Efficient gas huffing (aka clearing the sites, getting all of it, no residue, good gas etc)


>Shit tier income (under 60mil/hr)
Inefficient mission running (running for a shit corp, shit system or doing it semi-afk, taking breaks between each mission etc)
Low tier abyssals
Bad luck running anoms/escalations/belt ratting
Bad luck doing explo
Newbro gas huffing
Highsec moon mining with fleet boosts and compression

>Actual awful tier (10mil/hr or less)
T0 Abyssals on a 1 day old character
Highsec belt mining

>pve
fag

>>1899780
Your numbers are completely off. High tier abyss is not god tier, because it only makes 500-600m an hour and in echange you're risking a 6b+ ship.
High class wormhole ratting requires multiple accounts, if you're single boxing a marauder then c4s are superior.
Speaking of, c4s are closer to 400m an hour single boxed, roughly equivalent to high tier abyss for a fraction of the risk.
Pochven is not a single boxing activity period, and it's vastly in excess of 1b an hour with the right amount of accounts.

I do c5 sites with 2 dreads, a scanner, and a carrier roller and it's about 3b an hour, limited by site respawn.

Also 200m an hour is shit tier income and anything below that isn't worth doing UNLESS it's fully afk.

>>1899883
>High tier abyss is not god tier, because it only makes 500-600m an hour and in echange you're risking a 6b+ ship.
Nor if you multibox 3 cheap frigates.

As for the rest, multiboxing is assumed for everything. Nobody single-boxes ANYTHING these days.

I have a golem from my previous eve run but don't know what to do with it. Is c4 the only way to make enough money or there's some other way like speedrunning l4 missions in hs?

>>1899947
If you have a golem, couldn't you join an incursion group in highsec?

plex price drop has financially ruined me

>he put all his eggs into one basket
ngmi

>>1899976
None of those I checked have golems in their fit lists tho

>>1899941
3 cheap frigates can't do t6 and are annoying as hell to do in t5. T6 Frigates aren't cheap, t6 Retri/deacon/nergal runs about 4b for the fleet with a very low margin for error. T6 Dark Hawks are 1.2b each.

>>1900300
>T6 Dark Hawks are 1.2b each
LMAO

Just run them in cheap hawks. Sure you'll die sometimes, but it's barely any lost isk.

Fucking abyssal blingers, I swear to god.

>>1899780
>High tier Abyss
No.
>C3/C4 ratting
C4 is miles above C3

>>1899741
>why is it bad to miss out on 8-10 hours of production

>>1899780
this isn't even close to accurate

>>1899883
How do you survive while fielding that many assets?

>>1899976
Are incursion groups still good?

PL literally leaving Panfam. Would be great to see the whole alliance fall apart.

>>1901797
No idea. There was some drama a while back with some multiboxer sniping the mothership to end the incursions earlier but that was a while back. No idea what's happening now.

>>1901799
Lol.

I'm sure pee el's both active players will be sorely missed.

oneiros

>>1901799
Why would that ever happen? PL is a retirement alliance that benefits from PH protection.

PL is the apotome of do nothing, win.

They likely have lost their J4Gs who care about that stuff and have only some paranoid schizos left who then decided to become elite PVP again.

>>1899883
>because it only makes 500-600m an hour and in echange you're risking a 6b+ ship.
the people actually making money from abyss are multiboxxing cheap Hawk fits and not caring if they lose a few.

>>1900394
Being honest I havent done C4s since Marauders werent worth flying so good to know.
Last time I did them they were around 120mil/hr in a T3C and were almost not worth doing over just clearing C3s faster.

>>1902780
I always called them the same thing interchangeably because they're the same. PL is PH, PH is PL.
As far as I can gather its a corp for their oldfags.

>>1900383
>Fucking abyssal blingers, I swear to god.
Yeah there's a small but really vocal subset of the playerbase that are obsessed with
>well ACKSHUALLY you should NEVER do XYZ unless you spend at LEAST 5-15bil on a fit because you're missing out on 2% extra dps!!!11
of cringelords but its easy to ignore them because they're usually retards.

abyssal filaments in highsec were a mistake

Qrd on absolute order? I saw redditors and literal they/them transsexuals seething about it but that's about all I know

>>1903324
They spam invite new players from the Rookie Help Channel and Career Agent systems.
New players dont know any better so they're happy to join whatever 'guild' invites them.
They just use them for easy highsec tax money and to bolster numbers for whatever actual retarded shit they do.
Their nullsec leadership are actual heil hitler nazis but they're really bad at the game so everyone just ignores them.

>>1903324
Just another generic nullblob but they larp as fascists so reddit hates them.

>>1903324
They larp as nazis to fun in nullsec for fun, there's nothing else particularly remarkable about them.

>>1903325
>>1903328
>>1903348
This would almost sound like based fun havers if not for the newfag tax part.

>>1903356
The biggest problem with them is that they just suck at the game hard. Not just in terms of combat skills/FCing/doctrines but in nearly every aspect. Logistics, industry, general game knowledge and on top of that they have a terrible internal organization. Quite a few of their members have big ego as well with no skill to back it up.

I would welcome actual fucking nazis into the game at this point. Anything, ANYTHING to make the global conflict more spicy. HATRED and spite is what actually motivates people to fight and put everything at the stake, but every retarded redditnigger in this game just wants to "chill" and sing fucking Kumbaya, and then they wonder where all the good conflict has gone. The game needs an actual, influental, skilled and organized bad guy to drive conflict but AO is not it. The closest thing currently is FRAT but they are in CNTZ so nothing is gonna happen off of that.