Thread 1879243

EVE Online Thread

News
>Legion Expansion Released
>Babaroga and Sarathiel, a Triglavian Marauder and Angel Cartel Dreadnought is now available so you can never, ever use them
>Freelance jobs are out in a broken and incomplete state, to no one's surprise
>Rollback of Surgical Strike resistance nerfs
>Logistics ship buffs
>Some cruisers models have been redesigned (Made worse)
>Several more SovHub upgrades and buffs that no one cares about
>The Cenotaph remains utterly broken
>CCP makes a bunch of dumb changes don't ever remove this from the OP because it's always true

Old Thread: >>1831747

kys

kevin wouldnt fuck up the news like this

Then maybe kevin should have made a new thread instead of being a bitch

Who the fuck is Kevin?

Anyways, Carriers are perfectly balanced, it's just that literally everyone in the game other than me doesn't know how to use them. It's a burden sometimes, being so smart.

carriers are op

Why is the Crusader popular now? It used to be shit nobody looks at.

>Why is the Crusader popular now?
it's not
>It used to be shit nobody looks at.
it got a huge buff a couple of years ago in the interceptor changes

>>1880077
meme from 2014

when kevin leaves us it is truly over

For me it's still the Taranis

atron hull is soul

Fags in thread, docking up.

Just remember if you've accidentally joined another voiceless low activity retirement corp, make your plans to leave and do it quietly. These corps are black holes slowly absorbing and destroying player counts

>>1880972
>black holes slowly absorbing and destroying player counts
i thought that was eve

>>1879243 (OP)
So Cenotaph and Tholos, how much do you guys think they'll dominate the Alliance Tournament meta this year?

>>1880972
>low activity retirement corp
aka: A good corp.
I hate being told what to do, when to do it and how much I need to be online.
I'll do my own shit in my own time when I want and take extended breaks to play other games and you'll like it.

>>1881042
Nah Nullsec. Nothing ever happens there even when they're ""at war"".
The isk is shit, the content is boring and has no variety and the PVP is anchoring to an F and pressing F1.
CCP need to ditch working on the lost cause that is null and focus on lowsec some more.
Uprising unironically saved Eve. People already forget that the player count was down to 9k before that expansion came out.

>>1881247
Tholos isn't that great, will see some play in rushes when the ceno is banned but it's a slow, squishy destroyer that doesn't provide any utility besides damage.
Ceno seems pretty solid so far, obviously it's amazing in rushes but I've seen it used in control comps too. It is still slow though so if teams learn to play around the ceno its lack of range may cause it to fall out of favour. CCP has also mentioned they're looking at how OP it is and they don't take tournaments into account when deciding the release date of balance patches so I'd guess some teams might be a little hesitant to rely on it too much in case it gets nerfed into the dirt.
This is just from what I've observed though, who knows maybe Tuskers have theorycrafted some crazy tholos comps or something.

>>1881345
So you're saying that last year we got Geddon Navy / neut ban spam and this year its going to be Tholos/Ceno ban spam?
Gotcha

bizarre that they care about ship balance only when it affects the AT

the sub price changes feel ok but the problem is the game is not worth subbing

what sub price changes
that shit is still 20/mo

>>1882110
It says that you now get plex along with omega time. And no more plex/omega time sales.

>>1882114
>And no more plex/omega time sales.
it says no such thing

>>1881247
You can behave like that if you want to: in an NPC corp. I'll even help you move on.

Joining a corp that has actual goals and ambitions means sacrificing some of your time to help speed things up. Low societal participation is exactly why so many cultures fail. By saying you want to be an atomised free agent you're admitting your time has no value to your peers.
>Yaap0r

>>1882223
What the FUCK is this schizo talking about?

meds
NOW

Thinking anout buying 1 or 2 year omega what are you guys doing with this sale?

>>1881248
Where is the good isk?

Do you guys seriously plex alts with irl money. IDK if i can ever justify that...

>>1882272
what sale
only 1/3 month are on sale and the price is bad

>>1882278
2 years omega is 45% off and 1 year is 40% i think. Same with mct

Single account wormhole living? Is it possible?

>>1882294
Yes, just harder.

>>1882294
possible, yes but also pointless.

wait wtf 6/12/24 month omega is gone from NES?????

they had better come back when this shitty 1/3month sale ends

>This marks another step in moving away from discount-chasing and FOMO cycles.
>We want to reward longer-term commitment with genuine value, and at the same time, ease pressure on the in-game PLEX float and trading.
>This will make more of it available to players who play for free, or for things like war funding, ship replacements, and, again, fun.

shit, >>1882114 might be right
if we dont get another omega+mct sale before my omega lapses in 2026 im never coming back to this shit game (for real this time)

>>1882283
That is the normal price, don't get yourself scammed.
Those longer packages only go on sale around Christmas.

>>1882301
They are not gone from the NES, look again but sober this time.

>>1882360
they are gone from nes

>>1882371
Please explain to me what I'm looking at right now then.

>>1882376
ok well i promise you they werent in my nes. only 1/3 month + gay mastery packs

>>1882376
Have you tried not looking at the NES and actually looking at the eve online store you dumb autist.

>>1882376
>>1882416
How is 275 plex a month not a good deal?

>>1882502
kill yourself retard
how would looking at the eve store prove that 6/12/24 month omega is in the NES unlike what that anon says

>>1882505
its an ok deal but its also available all the time. it has gone on sale for less than 275/month before, and for some of those you didnt even need to pay for 2 years in advance to get it.

the only omega sales right now are:

NES (expires tomorrow):
1 month + "bonus items" (100k sp, 6d +6 accelerator, glamourex booster) for 425 plex
3 months for 1080 plex (usually 1200)

RMT (expires next week):
3mo + 250 plex @ 48 USD
6mo + 500 plex @ 84 USD
12mo + 1000 plex @ 144 USD
24mo + 1500 plex @ 264 USD

they better give us another 50% off omega+mct or im gonna riot

>>1882505
>>1882510
in May you couldve gotten 12 months for 2880 plex (240/mo). thats an actual sale.

>>1882510
>24mo + 1500 plex @ 264 USD
This seems good if paired with
>3 months for 1080 plex (usually 1200)
Thats 27 mo for 264 which is 9.78 USD per month.

>horde moves
>manufacturing becomes a much larger chore

tf is this bs. There is no reasonable way to move things to and from E8-. All the manufacturing plants worth a fuck are at least 3-4 jumps away and require an ansi. Fine with a blockade runner, but otherwise is asking to get raped.

Even if you don't die, the extra time involved to move shit makes it pure cancer. I just want to go back to MJ. fml

>>1882631
Horde i1s your problem, if you are going with a nullblock for industry you need to be in goons.

>>1882644
Horde is just there to drain money from people, goons is basically a retirement alliance now who just keeps crazy infastructure. Everyone else is volatile. If I had to live in dullsec it would be in goons. Think about it this way, they were in delve for 10 years.

>>1882631
>There is no reasonable way to move things to and from E8-

Just manufacture in MJ and JF it to E-8. Even if you don't have your own JF, surely Horde has a JF service and it shouldn't be much for only one jump.

>>1882294
honestly just daytrip. keeps shit simple.

>>1882277
yeah
its called a job

>>1883160
m-m-masaka!

>>1883160
Nice try Hilmar. You're not getting one merkelshekel out of me ever again.

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>1883281
What's the matter, goyim? You don't like getting paid 5mil for a whole site?

>>1883480
Brother can't understand how datas are about compounding investment. Data's are only shit if you don't do any kind of t2 manufacturing

>>1883524
i do a ton of t2 manufacturing. datas are still fucking worthless.

>>1883547
This.

>>1883547
"Bitch you play EVE online, your time has no value" - The Mitanni

I'd have to bot a dozen accounts just to get enough cores and decryptors for 11 slots lol

>>1883600
It's relative to the area of space you live in. Obviously if you lack the manpower to control some area of space then you will be stuck doing lower value activities. Not everyone lives in a c5 running sites for 500 mil an hour. The latest economic report makes it clear that MPI is going up because fewer people are generating resources than before. I'll have to double check the commodities but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see data site stuff has remained static or risen

>>1883676
>fewer people are generating resources than before

I'm getting closer and closer to canceling my indy accounts. Feels like I'm treading water most of the time. May as well spend the money on plex and buy fun stuff instead.

>>1883524
how the fuck is 7 random datacores, probably for shit i dont even build, supposed to help me

i was looking for wormholes anyway

>>1883281
are deepflows any less trash now

>>1883712
Hurf blurf if datacores weren't available from other sources and not farmed relentlessly by fw bots then you might have a coherent argument. As it stands
Data sites have a drop table primarily geared towards T2 invention and rarely include niche module bpcs. Most players aren't interested in doing t2 invention and the success rate of invention is probably too high quite frankly. Instead of a desperate market needing datacores, there are millions of them rotting on orders

but why do data sites have all those weird toolkit drops with literally zero use?

Data sites are evidence that god isn't real or hates us.

>>1883899
i havent killed an npc in 5 years, i have no idea

>>1884027
data sites dont even give every kind of datacore, many are only available from lp stores or r&d agents

Absolutely RIVETING gameplay.

>>1884037
Because datasite loot tables haven't been properly updated in forever.

They should just remove the retarded, worthless T2 BPCs from data site loot tables and put in something that makes more sense. Like say, pirate ship bpcs, with a rare chance to drop pirate capital bpcs. It makes sense since those are fucking pirate data sites, and maybe it would lower the price of those things enough that people actually start using them instead of just being memes.

But CCP is retarded as expected. God I hope they get bought by NetEase, NEXON or some other ultragreedy company that will just kill them.

>>1884396
>and maybe it would lower the price of those things enough that people actually start using them instead of just being memes.
CCP doesn't want people to use them, because if people use them CCP has to balance them. They exist to be meaningless flex in ganks.

>>1884396
Adding pirate BPCs to data sites won't do shit to lower pirate ship prices, you can already print Guristas and Angel ship BPCs like crazy with pirate FW but the prices will remain inflated because of net resonators costing 1mil+1k LP a pop

>do data site in buzzard despite knowing the loot is trash, w/e
>hack can
>drones show up
>can't loot because drones show up
>buzzard has no offensive abilities
>can was empty anyway
>warp out without finishing the site
>other two cans probably only worth a combined 1m isk anyway


When we win, do not forget that the people who develop these data sites want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny.

>join fat streamer playing eve
>won't stop talking about food.
>most popular on twitch
This months twitch drops will be hard to get.

>>1885411
just leave it on mute in the background

Well guys what do you think?

>>1885021
Still better isk then anything else in the game.

>>1884390
Why are you in a thanny cloaked in a wh?

>>1886858
>Reddit

What I think? I think you should go back there nigger.

>>1883281
Dude how are there that many holy fuxk!

>>1886863
Yeah fuck off, social media is a battlefield, this is my home.

>>1884027
I just got a reaction bpo from one not long ago.

>>1886858
The only way im doing industry is if I can do it in Amarr and i hear highsec industry is terrible.

>>1885411
Are new drops out?

>>1886873
Have to wait somewhere around the 10th of this month for the skin to come around.

>>1886861
I'm in an Archon now.

dead game

>>1886923
Why do you own such dumb expensive ships?

>>1886959
With 25k players?

>>1886986
Those are only like 6b each, they're just for rolling holes. The expensive ships are the PNIs and Zirns.

>>1886991
>players

>6b archon
>just for rolling
wtf do they really cost that much now

>>1887058
Used to be more, used to be like 7.5b up until the industry changes a few months ago.
idk I feel like 3b Dread hulls is honestly too cheap. Navy Dreads for 4.2b is somewhat silly, they're cheap enough that they honestly infringe on the use-case for marauders.

how have navy dreads improved the game

>>1887180
HAW dreads are like, the best shit ever man.

>>1886998
How are you so rich?

if you need carriers for rolling its safe to say you arent worrying about isk

>>1885411
There are so many like this, which one are you talking about? Is he really old and barely paying attention too?

>>1886859
Data sites? How poor are you?

>>1886991
>2500 multiboxers

>>1889188
I did the most important thing there is to do in Eve, I got the fuck out of nullsec.

>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again
>make some money on indy
>resupply indy
>poor again

The biggest wormhole brawl of the year is happening and you're cringeposting about industry?

>>1889460
Got 2 bill from 3 sites yesterday. What are you doing for isk? Lol

>>1889498
Your indy should be making you money...

>>1886858
Whats to revive?
These retards make stupid posts not knowing what the fuck they're talking about.
Its the same retards who cry "WAH gaem is ded!" when they forget we went from 9k online to 35k online in the last 2 years.

>>1889642
What is that like 50 people? Lol

>>1889656
>billions of isk being used as volume.

This graph actually shows how bad it is considering the insane amount of inflation.

>>1889478
Where did you go? I was thinking about joing a pochven corp

Gonna try missions because i want to try highsec playstyle. Thinking about doing sarum family or theology council. What do you guys think.

It's over
FFEW got blobbed to shit and fed 700b

>>1889642
>brawl
i thought one side had hole control so it was impossible for the other to get any ships into the system and it was just a structure bash

>>1889825
https://br.evetools.org/related/31001712/202508030400

FFEW had a lot of people inside already, not to mention 50 dreads.

>>1890004
>Obelisk on a killmail
Yes I know how it works, I just think it's funny

When are they going to give omega discounts so I can hop back into the game?

>>1889498
>resupply indy
>have plenty of isk leftover
>get annoyed that my projected profit for the week is less than 1% of total net worth and less than 5% of working capital
>plough rest of the isk into low-volume high-margin items
>eventually have to write them off
aaaaaaaaeeeeeee

>>1889659
this, its worthless without jita as a benchmark.
And plex/skill extractors/injectors should be excluded.

>Amarr is slow so no doctrines
>Let's fly Eoses
Dumbass FCs

fuck the meta
fly whats fun

>>1885021
>>1886859
Are drone data sites that profitable now?
I remember it was about getting <20M from a site with 95% chance, no better than looking for wh ghost sites with a slim chance of correct omega implants

>>1890004
I love to see frat fucks die. This one is even better imo

https://zkillboard.com/kill/128946440/

>>1890004
This is why WH content is dogshit. Even null is better.

>>1889463
Every expansion without fail 500 dumbasses come out and start throwing threats to unsub their 10 alts. The average player has an alt subbed concurrently to their main. If the player count dropped to 9k what does that actually represent? Because there's like 8000 systems in the game and most of space is empty.

>>1890187
The meta is fun

>>1891742
what meta

>>1892795
Unsubscribing.

Come and live in lowsec with me bros

>no bubbles
shite

agreed, pvp without bubbles is just unbearable

>>1893426
Without bubbles you force engagements on structures and inside sites. You know, the gameplay that a game about building empires should be about and less about bubblefucking a gate so that nothing can get out without being sniped?

>>1893535
>Without bubbles you force engagements on structures

>warp into a bubble in my prowler
>do a 360 and walk away

Guy must have been asleep at the wheel. I got decloaked and was able to hit my nullifier and get out.

>>1891545
>If the player count dropped to 9k what does that actually represent?
it was the pre-Uprising days when nullsec indy/miner fags were butthurt and unsubbing all their alts.
Then Uprising came out so everyone resubbed to go welp dreads in lowsec.
Thank fuck for that. Nullsec went nowhere and wormholes are going to shit now that they're turning into a singular empire that evicts anyone that refuses to obey them.

>Without bubbles you force engagements
nearly all participants can warp off at any time

and if they run, you win

you might win your structure timer, but your enemies field a very expensive fleet, get completely outplayed, and lose not more than 1-2 ships. it's retarded
bubbles are a good thing

>>1893253
I live in a wh unfortunately

>Create a Sabre alt
>Once it's a perfect Sabre skill it into something else
>Eventually has enough SP and things trained that you need a pod
>Extract Sabre skills so you don't feed an expensive pod with your Sabre
>Create a Sabre alt

>>1894228
>>>Eventually has enough SP and things trained that you need a pod
I can't tell if you mean implants or if you didn't notice that SP limits haven't been a thing in almost 10 years.

>>1893580
Bubbles are used in nullblob fights to stop titans emergency warping off grid during disconnects.

>>1894683
Ok, I knew that already. What does this have to do with my post?
The structure won't stop them e-warping if they're not tethered.

How much do you guys put in a hauler in highsec? Seems so ridiculous to have nothing in it because the value is too high

>>1893253
Lowsex is fun but it drains you of isk.

>>1895370
Depends on what kind of hauler.

>T1 haulers
I've personally hauled over 2b worth in some T1 haulers but it really depends on your route, how much tank you have and your general knowledge of gankers, ganking methods etc. I've even used gallente/minmatar specialized haulers before my skills for T2 haulers were trained because there were some good opportunities. Generally you want to be able to tank at least 1 tornado hit, preferably 2. Very few gankers outside Jita/Amarr multibox more than 2 tornados. Just be aware of potential cargo scanning ships on the gates, get really good at cloak/MWD trick and learn to use your dscan while on the move. Check the gatecheck sites and streams for gatecampers.

>T2 haulers
By now you are expected to know what to do. If you are flying a DST fit whatever you think you can get away with depending on your route. DSTs are pretty solid in HS/LS and wormholes.
If you are flying a BR then whatever, you can get anywhere to do anything if you are good enough. Almost impossible to catch a well flown BR in any area of space.

>Sunesis
A good option for low-volume/high-value HS/LS transport. Cheap, can be easily fitted to be under 2s align, while being resistant to smartbombs (not immune though, don't warp gate to gate if you know there's a guy multiboxing 8 smartbombing battleships).

>>1895507
Don't BRs get killed on sight?

>>1895507
This is a fucking excellent write up, thanks man.. im afraid to haul more than 50 mil desu

>>1895608
>Don't BRs get killed on sight?
How can you kill something that you can't see?

If you are flying BRs you have covops cloak (can warp and move while cloaked). You also have (and this goes for ALL haulers, not just BRs) instadock and instaundock bookmarks on every major trade hub (and wherever else you trade often). And if you are going through null and some gankspot lowsec systems (Ahbazon) you will also want to have tactical bookmarks and perches on the gate to which you warp to avoid smartbombs/bubbles and get a better look on the gate.

A typical Viator BR, will have sub 3s align time, CovOPS cloak, will have interdiction nullifier, enough HP to tank a couple smartbombing battleships, go over 11 AU/s and have the smallest hitbox for decloaking purposes. Your only real enemies at that point are guys who multibox 5+ smartbombing BSs, tons of decloaking cans around the gate (if you are sub3s, even fighters will have very hard time decloaking you before you are in warp), catch/drag bubbles with decloaking cans (easily avoided by bouncing off a celestial or warping to a perch bookmark) or just really bad luck (server disconnect). You pay for that insane amount of safety by having a low cargo space.

>>1895507
>I've personally hauled over 2b worth in some T1 haulers

I wouldn't recommend this.

>>1895629
You're going to need to get comfortable with it. If you're T1 hauling you really can't push that number much higher. Once you're in T2, hauling billions of isk is normal.

>>1895896
Always remember that ganking isn't necessarily economical on every kill, it's economical long term because of the freighter and hauler targets that have 500mil or more in cargo. Above a certain point it doesn't matter what you fly because 20 catalysts costing 8 mil each will just fuck you with 16k dps. There is an actual hp ceiling you will bounce off per hull. This is the primary reason battleships got hp bonuses to buffer mods, because they weren't tank enough and even today many BC are competitive

I love smoking weed and dunking krabs

drugs are bad, m'kay

>>1895370
depends on the hauler.
Tech 1 hauler like a couple hundred mil.
DST maybe half a bil to 1bil depending on the route.
Magnate for small/valuable shit, it warps fast and carries 1700m3 (gankers expect the Sunesis but no-one expects the Magnate), max couple hundred mil in that too but I use it for Abyssal loot and such (I have a DED station in the same system so I dont have to go far with it).

I try to stay pretty organised and usually haul small bits of loot every time I go somewhere instead of letting a few billions pile up at a time.

>>1895608
Yes, if they see you.
If you fly it like a typical cloaky then even in highsec it'll be hard for someone to catch you. Just dont be a dumbass and autopilot uncloaked or anything.

krabbing is worse

the only times I've lost haulers is due to my own retardation. every time it was avoidable, but one can't be on guard all the time

is at actually the ultimate krabbing meta
>show up for practice 1hr a week
>repeat for 2 months
>play maybe 1-2 matches, dodge the rest
>collect 400b
why isn't everyone else doing this

Most haulers can be easily fit with a tank, warpstab, mwd and a cloak, you have to be dumb to lose one in lowsec.

>>1897259
It's hard to get into a team that'll actually perform well, to be fair. I luckshitted myself into a solid AT team thanks to my history of being in smallgang corps but I genuinely don't know how I'd get into the AT if I was a goon/hordeling. I'm not actually very good at this game, just the epitome of "fake it till you make it"
We might've practiced against each other a few days ago, if you're who I think you are

You have like
4 hours to get that khanid punisher skin.

>forgot to start my reactions this afternoon

Just fucking kill me.

I'm never going to be able to afford a JF. Am I, bros?

>>1899468
why not?

>>1896542
True. But every gate could mean death

What actually prints isk without paying for a bunch of accounts? Ishtar spinning seems to be bad isk, so is mining.

Like seriously I frel like im going crazy here, I want to start plexing alts with isk to scale up but I honestly do not see a single activity that actually makes isk at a level that plexing accounts makes sense

What actually prints isk without paying for a bunch of accounts? Ishtar spinning seems to be bad isk, so is mining.

Like seriously I feel like im going crazy here, I want to start plexing alts with isk to scale up but I honestly do not see a single activity that actually makes isk at a level that plexing accounts makes sense.

>>1898355
Why is that bad?

>>1899731
Yep, something you just have to accept when flying one. But realistically you only fly one when you're hauling billions of spicy cargo anyway so it doesnt really matter cuz you're at risk anyway.

>>1899767
True otherwise just fly a cheaper hauler. Also freighters are dumb and i don't know why anyone flys them.

>>1899739
>What actually prints isk without paying for a bunch of accounts?

I'll give a breakdown in tiers

>God tier income (aka 0.5~1bil/hour)
High tier Abyss
C5/C6 wormhole ratting
Lv5 missions
Pochven

>Great tier income (100-200mil/hr)
Almost-high tier Abyss
C3/C4 ratting
Incursions
Burner missions
Doing explo or the combat sites on the first day of the event
Good luck in 8/10s or 10/10s
KRAB beacons (almost not worth it with how much isk you have to field honestly)

>Meh tier income (60-100mil/hr)
Ishtar spinning
Low tier abyssals (Frigate T1 speedruns for example)
Regular lv4 missions for a decent corp in a decent ship
Exploration during events
Faction Warfare if you know what you're doing and dont feed massive losses
Homefronts
Getting decent luck in Escalations/Anoms/Belt ratting
Efficient gas huffing (aka clearing the sites, getting all of it, no residue, good gas etc)


>Shit tier income (under 60mil/hr)
Inefficient mission running (running for a shit corp, shit system or doing it semi-afk, taking breaks between each mission etc)
Low tier abyssals
Bad luck running anoms/escalations/belt ratting
Bad luck doing explo
Newbro gas huffing
Highsec moon mining with fleet boosts and compression

>Actual awful tier (10mil/hr or less)
T0 Abyssals on a 1 day old character
Highsec belt mining

>pve
fag

>>1899780
Your numbers are completely off. High tier abyss is not god tier, because it only makes 500-600m an hour and in echange you're risking a 6b+ ship.
High class wormhole ratting requires multiple accounts, if you're single boxing a marauder then c4s are superior.
Speaking of, c4s are closer to 400m an hour single boxed, roughly equivalent to high tier abyss for a fraction of the risk.
Pochven is not a single boxing activity period, and it's vastly in excess of 1b an hour with the right amount of accounts.

I do c5 sites with 2 dreads, a scanner, and a carrier roller and it's about 3b an hour, limited by site respawn.

Also 200m an hour is shit tier income and anything below that isn't worth doing UNLESS it's fully afk.

>>1899883
>High tier abyss is not god tier, because it only makes 500-600m an hour and in echange you're risking a 6b+ ship.
Nor if you multibox 3 cheap frigates.

As for the rest, multiboxing is assumed for everything. Nobody single-boxes ANYTHING these days.

I have a golem from my previous eve run but don't know what to do with it. Is c4 the only way to make enough money or there's some other way like speedrunning l4 missions in hs?

>>1899947
If you have a golem, couldn't you join an incursion group in highsec?

plex price drop has financially ruined me

>he put all his eggs into one basket
ngmi

>>1899976
None of those I checked have golems in their fit lists tho

>>1899941
3 cheap frigates can't do t6 and are annoying as hell to do in t5. T6 Frigates aren't cheap, t6 Retri/deacon/nergal runs about 4b for the fleet with a very low margin for error. T6 Dark Hawks are 1.2b each.

>>1900300
>T6 Dark Hawks are 1.2b each
LMAO

Just run them in cheap hawks. Sure you'll die sometimes, but it's barely any lost isk.

Fucking abyssal blingers, I swear to god.

>>1899780
>High tier Abyss
No.
>C3/C4 ratting
C4 is miles above C3

>>1899741
>why is it bad to miss out on 8-10 hours of production

>>1899780
this isn't even close to accurate

>>1899883
How do you survive while fielding that many assets?

>>1899976
Are incursion groups still good?

PL literally leaving Panfam. Would be great to see the whole alliance fall apart.

>>1901797
No idea. There was some drama a while back with some multiboxer sniping the mothership to end the incursions earlier but that was a while back. No idea what's happening now.

>>1901799
Lol.

I'm sure pee el's both active players will be sorely missed.

oneiros

>>1901799
Why would that ever happen? PL is a retirement alliance that benefits from PH protection.

PL is the apotome of do nothing, win.

They likely have lost their J4Gs who care about that stuff and have only some paranoid schizos left who then decided to become elite PVP again.

>>1899883
>because it only makes 500-600m an hour and in echange you're risking a 6b+ ship.
the people actually making money from abyss are multiboxxing cheap Hawk fits and not caring if they lose a few.

>>1900394
Being honest I havent done C4s since Marauders werent worth flying so good to know.
Last time I did them they were around 120mil/hr in a T3C and were almost not worth doing over just clearing C3s faster.

>>1902780
I always called them the same thing interchangeably because they're the same. PL is PH, PH is PL.
As far as I can gather its a corp for their oldfags.

>>1900383
>Fucking abyssal blingers, I swear to god.
Yeah there's a small but really vocal subset of the playerbase that are obsessed with
>well ACKSHUALLY you should NEVER do XYZ unless you spend at LEAST 5-15bil on a fit because you're missing out on 2% extra dps!!!11
of cringelords but its easy to ignore them because they're usually retards.

abyssal filaments in highsec were a mistake

Qrd on absolute order? I saw redditors and literal they/them transsexuals seething about it but that's about all I know

>>1903324
They spam invite new players from the Rookie Help Channel and Career Agent systems.
New players dont know any better so they're happy to join whatever 'guild' invites them.
They just use them for easy highsec tax money and to bolster numbers for whatever actual retarded shit they do.
Their nullsec leadership are actual heil hitler nazis but they're really bad at the game so everyone just ignores them.

>>1903324
Just another generic nullblob but they larp as fascists so reddit hates them.

>>1903324
They larp as nazis to fun in nullsec for fun, there's nothing else particularly remarkable about them.

>>1903325
>>1903328
>>1903348
This would almost sound like based fun havers if not for the newfag tax part.

>>1903356
The biggest problem with them is that they just suck at the game hard. Not just in terms of combat skills/FCing/doctrines but in nearly every aspect. Logistics, industry, general game knowledge and on top of that they have a terrible internal organization. Quite a few of their members have big ego as well with no skill to back it up.

I would welcome actual fucking nazis into the game at this point. Anything, ANYTHING to make the global conflict more spicy. HATRED and spite is what actually motivates people to fight and put everything at the stake, but every retarded redditnigger in this game just wants to "chill" and sing fucking Kumbaya, and then they wonder where all the good conflict has gone. The game needs an actual, influental, skilled and organized bad guy to drive conflict but AO is not it. The closest thing currently is FRAT but they are in CNTZ so nothing is gonna happen off of that.

>24 billion in sell orders
>300 million in wallet

;_;

>>1903155
It is. That's why the notion of PL ever leaving PH is peak retard.

>>1903325
>>1903328
>>1903348
Calling bullshit. Nobody is allowed to be based in Eve in current year.

>>1903416
If alliances could be outwardly political it really would spice up the game.

Politics is discouraged in PH, however that doesn't stop the admins having tranny flags on their discord.

>>1901796
He's in WH corp. Two dreads in c5 is not worth it anyway. You can also farm all wh logoff style. Though it's more for "professional autists" who already solved wh content. They even do it in C6.

>>1904290
>Two dreads in c5 is not worth it anyway.
lmao what? I mean it's not great compared to gigasweating c6 sites with a Rorqual and 3 dreads but it's still ~7b a week if you run all the sites, for about 2-3 hours of actual farming.

>>1903937
and another 20b in industry jobs right now, right anon?

>>1903948
>If alliances could be outwardly political it really would spice up the game.
Please no.
We play video games to get away from real life autistic bullshit.

Buffer + active tank is as stupid as buffer armor with active shield tank

retard

>>1904495
DELET THIS

>>1904550
idk man, a visceral hatred for the opposing alliance might be fun.

>>1904800
i put buffer on my active tank fits only 2 times
>if its for something like Abyssals where a random wrecking shot can just punch right through your whole shields/armor
>if its a drunk/high fit

More buffer means more time to rep damage, and by consequence more time to reduce incoming DPS before you tank breaks. Having more buffer makes a sustainable active tank proportionately stronger, which is why Marauders had to have their buffer bonus nerfed.

pve faggots trying to understand the concept of buffer tank

will slamjam ever come back

>>1902780
Pl has a significant amount of their supers

>>1903356
Frat is just rmt botters.

Can auto targeting missiles kill towers and non agressive objects?

I'm so close to just going credit card gang.

>>1906221
No, they'll only fire at stuff that's aggressed to you (red boxed).
So you'll have to use a target painter or drones or something initially to get shit to start attacking you.
Once they do though you can just press F1 every few minutes and they'll auto-attack whatever's closest to you.

>>1899883
I have personally done c4s for 750mil an hour if youre solo theyre absolutely on par with c5s and the fits are dirt cheap. Also yes high class requires multiple accounts but per account you rly shouldnt be below 500mil/hr and it can be as high a 2bil/hr.

>>1899780
I would honestly put c5/c6 ratting in its own category and put c4 in the god tier category.

also missing sb/edencom ratting but idk too much on their income.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>1906931
>he fell for the large skill extractor merchant lies

did they fix the game

Whats the best Eve Online mod for Stellaris?
I basically just want the 4 empires in the game so I can fuck around with Eve Galactic Conquest but better and not on my phone.

>>1904290
Don’t have to worry about getting ganked other than by multi boxers in high class wormholes because the big blue donut of high class wormholes.


God I wish lazerhawks would failscade or CCP finally fix wormholes so that every single C6 isn’t occupied by people who will cry about pvp so that they can keep the isk printer rolling.

Ate lazerhawks
Ate hard knocks
Luv ganking ratters

Nuff said

>>1899739
Unrelated but there is finally a working game based on Star Citizen.

https://www.store-citizen.com/

More bigger fake digital numbers going up than even C6 and Pochven grinding.

>>1903948
TISHU

>>1907327
the whcfc only enforces the NAP on c6s, you can still roll 5's to gank dreads. Though that being said just doing logoff traps is much more time efficient than rolling generally speaking, it's quite easy to do once you have enough accounts and trained characters
>Scanner
>Saber
>Couple of Zirns/PNIs

Or just yolo it and try to gank people with a solo Zirn.

>>1909183
There shouldn’t be any NAP in any part of wormholes.

We’re meant to be the antithesis of null, and yet these retards have just made high class wormholes into farmville.

Remember it’s only good pvp if I wanted to do it and it’s bad pvp when I’m the one being attacked by rapists.

>>1909213
>There shouldn’t be any NAP in any part of wormholes.
>We’re meant to be the antithesis of null

Something something, human nature to band together, something something, it's impossible for developers to prevent it because EVE players are just too good at bypassing it. Which is why there is blue donut in every PVP game in existence.

This was sarcasm btw.

What isn't sarcasm is that if they really took steps to make it absolute hell for the leaderships/HR/logistics of the various groups to maintain their blue donut (limit structure access to corporations only, reduce the max site of corporations, revoke ALL ESI privileges except MAYBE killmails for MUH ZKILLBOARD) the alliances and blocs WOULD break apart simply because 90%+ players would leave the game.

EVE players are niggerboomers with families and lives and shiiiiet, they don't have the time to actually play the game anymore.

>We're meant to be
nothing about wormhole space is what was intended

>>1909213
an NAP will always exist in c6 space because it's extremely valuable for anyone with skin in the game, but one person not playing ball ruins its value potential for everyone involved. You literally get more isk out of a c6 by letting other people in other c6's do sites in peace, because wormholes of each class have a static number of sites that immediately respawn in another wormhole once you run them.
On top of this, farm wars end up being lose/lose to everyone involved. If you attack someone's farm, they're going to hit yours. Congratulations, now neither of you are making money. Now both of you have to spend potentially days or weeks doing hole control, which fucking sucks, and makes no money.

Why would anyone involved want to upset the NAP when they can continue to print infinite isk in relative safety then yeet tens of billions of isk in honor brawls instead? If anything, the current system leads to more big fights, because honor brawls are the best way to stress test your doctrines, your FCs, and your Cap pilots. Novac dunked HK earlier today to the tune of like 70b isk.

But really, if you own a c6 you essentially get paid by the game itself to not fuck with other people in c6's because when they krab their sites become your sites, and when you krab, your sites become their sites. Claiming that a c6 NAP isn't intended game design is simply wrong, the game is designed in such a way as to almost mandate it.

retard

Surely the independent chads of /v/bros could assemble a group of rogue c6 dread hunters

>Why would anyone involved want to upset the NAP when they can continue to print infinite isk in relative safety then yeet tens of billions of isk in honor brawls instead?
you may as well live on the test server

>>1909213
>There shouldn’t be any NAP
>We’re meant to be

Maybe you should form a group of anarchists to prevent co-operation of adversaries in your space. You can even help each other achieve this goal by having a small tax rate which can be used to bolster your forces and defenses ======^)

>Too lazy to put loot on inventory
>Probably have billions spread amongst the cargo of combat ships invisible in personal assets.

>>1909267
I wouldn't mind hunting dreads in C6s. I can't fly caps though and I don't know how many people you'd actually need for that. I know bomber's bar flies cheap stealth bombers while hunting people but they usually have 50+ characters per fleet. No idea how many Stealth Bomber characters /v/ could pull together even if we united.

I don’t care about people’s farm holes because I live in low class I just want there to be people farming that I can kill and it won’t have the biggest groups in wormholes find my ip address and rape me with their big black African cocks and all my friends with it too.

Although I’ve stopped trying to find anything in C5s and C6s simply because it’s not worth poking that particular hornets nest and I’m not enough of a degenerate like yeramel or whatever his name is to multibox 50 accounts to actually murder the big blue donut.

How many accounts do I need before my real life begins?

>>1909596
The idea that WHCFC is going to evict you for ganking their krabs/beating them is just salt spread by low class shitters to justify why they never take fights. Yeramell is vastly more annoying than you chancing upon a krab and killing them and there's been no concerted effort to evict him. Are you more obnoxious than Yeramell? No? You're probably fine unless you anchor a Keepstar.
The only one who is actually at risk of having his dog raped is the Bob Wills It guy because he's almost as obnoxious as Yeramell while also being much more competent, but he's slowed down a lot recently due to reasons.

>>1909596
>rape me with their big black African cocks and all my friends with it too

Just stage out of Thera. WH eviction groups hate this one simple trick.

>>1909213
>There shouldn’t be any NAP in any part of wormholes.
Wormholes have always been like this though.
They agree to not overtly fuck each other over and have always just had minor fights for fun, or found smaller targets to punch down on.
But if a larger threat comes to fuck with them they'll all band together and make short work of them.

Its how Hawks have like 32 Keepstars and Faction Fortizars in their home hole for so long. No-one's got the power to do anything about it and good luck ever evicting them.
Dont like it? Too bad. Even Goons or Frat cant do shit about them.

>>1910745
Hawks haven't got a single Keepstar let alone 32. There's one Keepstar in j-space currently and it's the Goryn Clade one.

wormholes were a mistake

>get a new C3 fit I want to try
>decide to take it into a couple of Refuges in highsec just to fly it a bit before jumping in a wh
>escalation on the first one
>5/10 in highsec
>run it
>half bil drop

>>1910745
They can if they really wanted to.

HK got fucked by INIT, if goons or PH wanted they have people with the knowledge to actually exfil into holes and cause real damage to lazerhawks. They won’t do because lazerhawks are smart enough compared to HK to not be raging cunts and talk shit.

Drag bubbles confuse the shit out of me. Can I bounce off any celestial that isn't inline the the setup vector and be clear? How much deviation in the vector is required to avoid being dragged into the bubble?

For example the destination gate is roughly 20AU from any other gate, fort, or celestial. Basically the bottom of the system and everything else is on a disk up top. If I warp from the heavy traffic gate I'm going to get caught in the drag bubble, obviously. How much of a deviation from that warp vector (gate to gate) is required to avoid being dragged?

Read the fucking wiki, nigger

>>1911288
Instructions unclear. Dick stuck in ceiling fan.

pic from the wiki

The apparent vector will encompass basically the entire fucking solar system warping to this gate if you read my fucking description and basing off this image.

>>1911318
You are reading it wrong. If your direction is from a place that is not in line with the bubble, then you will not be dragged.
There are gates that are so far from the rest of the solar system that you can't dodge them at all because any vector you draw from any celestial body goes through the bubble.

>>1911348
>There are gates that are so far from the rest of the solar system that you can't dodge them at all because any vector you draw from any celestial body goes through the bubble.

Okay, so my instincts were correct. CCP should have to pay for these crimes.

>>1909273
Nobody buys test server ISK for real money. The same dynamic is visible throughout the game, especially in 0.0. RMT is one of the things fundamentally ruining the game.

>>1909273
That is the reason why it was closed, people unironically played full time on it and had fun, which was unacceptable.

>C6 jews are doing it for rmt
retard

>>1911149
>They can if they really wanted to.
no they cant
Null hasnt fought an actual war in like 6 years and last time they did they just sat docked up most of the time waiting until they had more numbers in their fleet than the other guy.

>>1911223
>Can I bounce off any celestial that isn't inline the the setup vector and be clear?
basically yeah.

>how much deviation?
depends how sweaty the camp is.
if its just a couple of dudes with 1 bubble then you might be clear warping from some hipster celestial off to the side, but if they have a few bubbles it prob wont be hard for them to line everything up.

spend a night making bookmarks if its an area/route to hang around a lot.

>and had fun
kill yourself test server nigger

Thunderdome's where the real fun happens.

Do people actually have fun playing this game?

>>1913828
Its got pretty graphics and cool spaceships and I can fly em around and kill shit.
Been playing this game 15 years and love it.
It also gives me the occasional DayZ buttclench which is something other MMOs havent done for decades now.

DLSS4 is pretty cool.

Chat...What do I do with all these citadella 100mm steel plates?

amarr unironically when

>>1913828
no, which is why i haven't played in years

They should abandon Frontier and just implement the crypto scheme into Eve.

I want to buy Plex from Coinbase.

>>1879243 (OP)
You guys still have a pedophile named silaru zangatsu on your servers. Should shoot him down take all his isk.

Person is the worst scum loser there is do something about them. Not like he sees any of you people as actual people.

Guy is to much of a gay faggot getting fucked on second life as a sissy pedo fag when not on the game and he's the bitch.

>>1916741
He sounds like a cool guy. I think the server is richer for having people like him around.

>>1916741
where do you think you are, exactly?

is this game f2p?

>>1917575
It is. But keep in mind that as a f2p player you will be limited in what you can do - no T2 ships, advanced mining ships, cloaking, no PI, VERY limited industry, can't level all skills to V, much slower skill training.

Mind you, you can still be useful as an alpha pilot (f2p) but your roles will be limited.

It costs you nothing to try though (other than time).

Any good newbie corps that aren't E-Uni?

>>1918208
What's wrong with E-Uni?
But other than that, I guess Brave Newbies/Karmafleet? PH is also always open to more people.

>>1918220
I bounced off of EVE last time and I was in E-Uni. I guess I need something more practical, if that makes any sense.

>>1918247
Well if you want to have on-demand fights, you might want to check out FW corps/alliances. Currently both Minmatar and Amarr ones are active. Caldari/Gallente are kinda dead.

>>1917575
It is.
Alpha locks you out of Tech 2 ships, Tech 3 ships, capital ships, lv4 missions, mining barges and cloaking and you get restricted on industry/trade.
If you dont plan on doing those things you dont really need Omega.
Once you're Omega its not hard to maintain it if you actually play the game or set up passive income to offset the cost. (PI in null or a wormhole pays for half of Omega on its own each month).

eve has continually gotten worse since 2015 quit while ur all ahead

>>1917575
You have access to the Maller, the best ship in the game.

fuck new players

>>1921158
reported for griefing new players

>>1921158
just sent him 10mil

will AO lose the keepstar this weekend?

>>1921443
yeah i sent him 25 mil

>>1922192
>>1921443
you gonna send him a mail next, pansies? apologize for something you didn't do? fucking niggers.

>>1922708
?
i killed him
and then i sent him a mail with "u tried" and 25 mil isk
whats your problem? i want him to come back and die to me again but with a hold full of intact armour plates this time

>>1909267
I was part of a discord that kept logoff trap alpha characters in random C6s, occasionally someone's covert ops alt would spot a dread farming sites and we'd get a rage ping to get on and start fucking them.

>>1922708
No, I'm not a faggot that punches down on week-old newbies.
Next time get a real fight.

>>1923665
if they break the NAP it's open season

I think even Homeworld 2 had better destruction

I think even Homeworld 2 was overall the better game.

>I GOT 100 SECRET SAXTONS
>I GOT 100 SECRET SAXTIONS
>WE HAVE TO DEFEND THE AO KEEPSTAR
>WE HAVE TO SAVE EVE ONLINE

>>1923665
week old noobs need to understand if they come to my yard they're gonna get shot

yes, we should all refrain from shooting random herons and imicuses (so my alpha scouts die a little less)

>plex is 5.5m now
get me out aaaaaaaa

i will never financially recover from this

>>1925284
>going all-in on a memecoin
You hang out on /biz/ dont you?

on one hand, we invite others ITT and it becomes spammed with shit. on the other hand, we lurk silently for hours, pondering the nature of 27.35k plex and meme coins.

what happened to plex

>>1925856
ccp put out a devblog that makes it sound like they're putting a stop to the crazy good nes sales
and then they've run plex sales in the store almost back to back.

>>1925856
null j*ws suddenly cant charge taxes in Perimeter on their memecoin ponzi scheme anymore

what

>>1879243 (OP)
I always see this game on YouTube ads

>>1911318
>>1911348
i don't understand this shit AT ALL

>>1928554
Congrats, you just might have an IQ low enough to play this game.

>>1928596
i would hope so
the brain damage has been taking effect for years

>>1928554
If bubble is in line with where you're warping from and the gate, and its behind the gate you get pulled past the gate into the bubble.
warp to a celestial that's off to the side first and you're fine.

Alright, spoonfeed a newfaggot please
What are some actually fun(ner) ways to get money? My friend taught me how to do exploration semi-properly, and while it's been decent money and nullsec is a lot more safe than I initially thought, scanning is boring as sin and that hacking minigame managed to piss me off for the first time in a good while; tried doing security and distribution missions and that shit pays in literal singular peanuts?
The most fun I've had was stumbling on a freelance job that paid a decent amount more per unit of blue ice than it was instasold for in the neighboring system - is there a way to see those jobs from farther than 5 systems away? I've seen that hauling contracts are a thing, but it's either like 600k for 40 jumps or I can't afford that big of a collateral
I'm alpha for now, haven't decided if I want to spend money on this just yet

>making money
>in EVE Online
>fun
I haven't had fun in 5 years, I can't help you because I have no idea.

>>1929576
I mean I figured, but there's gotta be a more fun way to do this than fondling space balls until they're green and then getting fucked by hacking RNG

>>1929657
Abyssals, Faction Warfare.

DX12 still randomly crashes at loading systems/stations

>>1929657
Theoretically, you can make much better money running c3 holes, however
-this is best done in pairs with 2 people, each in a Praxis, repairing each other
-you have to find a good c3 hole and recognize the one where you won't get jumped and killed
-you have to pay attention while running the sites you don't get jumped and killed anyway
-you have to know the sites because the good fit isn't the braindead 900hp/s rep fit, it's the one where you're repping just enough to survive and doing only the easy sites
This is good when you're a wormhole corp that churns through a dozen c3 holes a week so you put your newfags into these things and give them a chaperone so they don't suicide their retarded selves. For you, the best way to make money is either exploration, Faction warfare farming or abyssal shit.

>rr praxis
lmao

>>1929657
I tried to make money with INDUSTRY last time I played
It was very job like but also satisfying in a "job done efficiently" kind of way, sometimes

Making money is usually not going to be fun, so you want to be efficient in the way you do it so you can get back to spending that wealth, so learn about those industry options, they're one of the faster ways

The true fastest way to make money is to have been playing the game since launch and being the head of a corp with hundreds of tax paying players. But alas time travel hasn't been invented yet

>>1930186
industry is a very slow way to make a little wealth if you're new and/or poor
and a pretty slow way to make some nice isk if you're more established
its just trading with extra steps

>>1929553
The thing with Eve and MMOs in general is
>the fun things to do dont make much money
>the boring things make lots of money
So do a mix of shit.
You sound like you're starting to get established, so use the Exploration isk to pay for you trying out other shit.

Exploration isnt bing bing wahoo exciting, but its chill, comfy, easy and something you can do while doing shit on a 2nd monitor.
Also wait a month, in October the Halloween event will start. Exploration will pay triple and there'll be combat sites to do in a Praxis that will pay really well.

>>1879243 (OP)
snuffed niggers need not to apply

Fly Amarr

slimjimmy

I wish this game fully died already so there'd be a slim chance of somebody competent releasing a worthy successor. Now it's kinda occupying a niche in an undead unfun state. It's frustrating that CCP clearly is well aware of many of the major flaws in EO (many of EF design choices hint at this) but refuses to put in the effort to fix things.

>somebody competent releasing a worthy successor
market says no

>>1933321
>I wish this game fully died already so there'd be a slim chance of somebody competent releasing a worthy successor.
why would anyone want to make a successor to a mmo that died? the amount of eve players isn't exactly enough to be worth chasing, especially since there's no new blood coming in (and yeah, you can blame the lack of noobs on any number of retarded ccp decisions, but it's not like albion is pulling in tons of players either). mmos are a dying genre in general desu -- these days most people who want the HARDCORE FULL LOOT PVP ALWAYS ON experience are just going to play extraction shooters, which are a lot easier to develop than mmos
>It's frustrating that CCP clearly is well aware of many of the major flaws in EO (many of EF design choices hint at this) but refuses to put in the effort to fix things.
yeah frontier actually makes me seethe harder than vanguard or valkyrie or dust or the wod mmo or any other failed ccp project i can't remember because it's actually largely good. most of the biggest problems with modern eve have been solved by it. if it didn't have the nft bullshit it'd be well-received and might even breathe new life into the community, but the crypto shit means it's doa. what a fucking waste

frontier is absolutely shit and feels like garbage to play the nft shit just makes it worse. star citizen is the only good alternative to space autism

>niggers saying making money is not fun
oh nonono you just confirmed you dont have friends for destroyer abyss or frigate abyss or co-op burners and facwar AHAHAHAHA

In some alternate reality CCP manages to create a good modern take on Eve with EF, which then dies to buttcoin retardation after which CCP ports the good parts of EF into basically a new EO engine.

>>1933385
you had a point before master modes but sc feels like garbage to play now too
unfortunately the only game with good space combat is freespace 2

>>1933321
eve doesn't get a successor

>>1933709
There absolutely is a niche for a game like eve as evidenced by the success of extraction shooters (and EO still lumbering on). I firmly believe that a game like eve but with more streamlined flow to content, flirting with tarkov or dark and darker style matches, perhaps lengthened to semi-permanent expeditions as the main gameplay loop with some sort of market and resource gathering metaprogression system in the background.

can stuff your tarkov in yo ass faggot? the games have nothing in common

>>1933749
>buzzwords

>>1903356
Their entire leadership is Chinese or Chinese immigrants. So no. Not based. It's just a cheap veneer over top the newb scamming and rmt.

>>1903325
You're retarded. They are definitely not. Aside from a couple vocal randoms, it's normalfags, and even some actual fags and trannys.

You are all just jaded bittervets. The game is better and healthier than ever.

>>1933321
>>1933709
NTA but I think eve is sort-of a successor to any successors-to-eve already.
Beyond Protocol is run, bugfixed, and updated by one guy who helped this dead almost-one-of-a-kind MMORTS become open-source and free.
It still runs and updates on Windows 7 without the VxKext software, so I am happy about that small detail.

https://www.afterprotocol.com/Files/Beyond%20Protocol%20Strategy%20Guide.pdf

https://www.afterprotocol.com/

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/AfterProtocol

It seemed like a fun game to learn to play in a group with friends.
It is so wonderfully autistic that the size (in meters) of the starbase airlock doors are said to affect the maximum size of spaceship that can be launched from inside the starbase, even if you already built it inside the giant station factory drydock, you can be limited by the fact that you only have ship gates for fighters and medium freighters, and not your 500m+ warship.

In case you wonder which anon this is, I will provide a reference to a satire game of a jolly money laundering cult that pretends to be a PC game, not really competetion for eve.
https://www.store-citizen.com/

Energy is stored in the capacitor

>>1933709
>he's not a perpetuumchad

>>1934148
>Energy is stored in the capacitor
Actually i checked once by holding my mouse pointer over the capacitor donut, and there are only numbers going up inside there, no real energy, unless you count the photonic radiation energy from your display, directly under those pixels.

Put more effort in to your silly bursts of autism, use some class, maybe some elements of style, strunk and white, or even just orson scott card's books on how2write.

Based bundle sale. MMMMMMMMMMMMM SP.

>AT Jackdaw and Naga
CCP's gone mad

>caldari
fucking disgusting

Friendly reminder not to give CCP any money until they start developing the game again.

>>1933709
>block your path

bold of you to assume I ever game them any

>>1933321
>chance of somebody competent releasing a worthy successor
Realistically, when you leave Eve and play other MMOs for 10 years, then come back.... you realise that Eve's the best MMO on the market hands down.
Close 2nd is Albion but its way too casual as fuck to do more than gookclick away on your phone at the airport or something.
As much as we blame CCP for this, that and the other they're much more competent than Blizzard, Squeenix, Jagex, Bethesda and Daybreak.

>Amarr
>capacitor

>>1879243 (OP)
its not that bad

>>1936025
Thing wrong with this fit is:
>-prop mod
>-omni tanked
>-rlms
>-no warp core stab

What the fuck happened to the in-game omega+mct sales? All my accounts lapsed to alpha, I’m sitting on a pile of plex waiting for the stupid sale

>Entirely skips over Lasers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeeubP8mHjs
What makes them such a completely misunderstood weapon system?

>>1936025
>>1936067
This is the eve version of two diseased faggots having gay aids sex in some random rotten gas station toilet booth

>>1935957
Foxhole is currently the best MMO on the market. Lacks the more epic scale of EO but otherwise is just plainly better in so many ways,

>>1937407
next sale will prob be AT or Halloween event, be patient.

>>1937571
newbros get scared when something uses capacitor cuz
>ZOMG I'M NOT CAP STABLE

>>1937571
>>1938034
Their stat is too mediocre for it's drawback. Also I think both Railgun and Laser should swap their stat. It should be Railgun that have long range but mediocre dps. And it should be laser that should have high damage but short range.

that's how it is

>mfw the outdated video, does in fact, actually cover lasers
SHIT YOURSELF

>>1938523
eh it depends. you want Legion for some shit because Tengu cant literally carry enough ammo in its cargohold to finish some sites without having to go and restock halfway through.
also structure bashes, plus like half of the rats are weak to EM and ppl really under-estimate changing ammo instantly to match the range you're at.
I think though the main problem is in the hull bonuses for a bunch of amarr ships. having one of your two bonuses on your ship be slightly more cap doesnt really make the ship worth using over another faction's ship that'll get like a tank & dmg bonus, or a tracking and rof bonus or w/e.

fit cargo expanders

>>1940137
>Cargo Expander Tengu

>anons claiming lasers suck
lmao what year is this, 2012?

Amarr in general sucks dicks. No Cap. Lasers suck dicks unless you are NOT Amarr (hello Sansha nightmares). Mobility/Range >>>>>>>> Brawling which is why Minmatar is KING.

The game has been SOLVED for a while now.

Plenty of Amarr ships have fantastic mobility/range though like the Retri or ONI. Sure there are some useless bricks like the Abaddon but let's not start pretending projectile turrets are in a good place.

>kitfags
nice dps faggot

>>1940503
>Retribution
>ONI
>Mobility
lol
lmao

>>1940599
Alright brutor, if your ships are so good post one that has good range.

>>1940613
>High-grade snaked TFIs into your way
>Double webs you from 70km with an alt
>Points you from 100km with another alt
>Meanwhile you run out of cap just trying to shot your guns
Nothing personell.

On a more serious note, I feel like there's a reason Ferox and FNI are so fucking popular in bigger fleets.
>good rail range
>good tracking with tracking computers
>good mobility

And before the nerf it was CFIs instead for almost all the same reasons except even bigger mobility and range.

>>1940624
I'll concede to the CFI but using snakes in your TFI doesn't count, you could go fast in a Rokh with HG snakes and a Bifrost backpack. Sure the ONI loses a race to a ScyFI but it'll outrun plenty of other ships, you can't discount it because it's not #1.

I was an Amarr character. Wanting to smite heathen and enslaving Minger as True God chosen people. And then I fly Prophecy because it was the most effective way to farm isk. Now I'm flying Guristas ship. Not only I'm too deep in drones, I'm also leveling up my caldari skill even higher to fly Caldari ship.

>>1940654
>deep in on drones
>training Caldari
Anon the Gallente are right there

>>1940705
Gallente ship is ugly as sin.

>>1940726
Based, honestly.

>good tracking with tracking computers
painters exist. if you're wasting mids on tracking in a blob comp, I don't know what to say

>>1940647
>you can't discount it because it's not #1
I genuinely don't remember seeing Omen Navy fleets.
I often see or used to see:
>CFI fleets before they got nerfed
>Ferox and FNI fleets, almost exclusively rail fit
>ENI fleets, sometimes blaster brawling fit, sometimes rail fit
>Raven Navy fleets
>Barghest fleets
>Jackdaw fleets
>Rokh fleets
>Tempest and Tempest navy fleets
>And of course Nightmare fleets

The only consistent laser fleets that I see are Nightmares. Very rarely someone will meme or do some cheeky sniping with Apoc blobs. I know PL used to run Zealot fleets back in the day of MUH ARMOR HACS but recently I haven't seen shit other than Nightmares.

Of course I am not counting Revelations because muh dreadbombs and for the same reason I am not counding Redeemers. If you are dropping on someone, that someone is dead regardless of what weapon system you are using.

Of course I could be completely wrong about WH systems and fights with those random system elements but fuck wormholes lmao.

>>1941043
>fleets
We've been talking about different metas the whole time. No wonder we disagreed so much.

This is the current meta in Eve Echoes.
>strongest weapon in pvp
Drones.
>strongest weapon in pve
Laser.
>most used pvp ship
T2 Machariel (Machariel with cyno)
T2 Phantasm (Phantasm with bubble)
T2 Rattlesnake (Rattlesnake 2)
>most used ship in pve
Apocalypse NI
Dominix NI
Nidhoggur.
What do you think?

>most used ship in pve
>Apocalypse NI
>Dominix NI

>>1941103
>Phantasm with bubble
So a Fiend?

>>1941124
Yes. All prize/event ships are included in tree.

>warp into relic sites
>start scanning them
>not one can worth hacking
I've gone through probably 2-3 thousand sites over the years and this one stands out as the worst site ever.

>>1939943
>impressive light shows
>ok moving on to hybrids.

>>1929866
I watched that one Benzie video where he was solo running C3 sites in an Navy Augoror, reworked his fit to work on a Maller instead. Absolute dirt cheap ~30m ISK ship that paid for itself in a single site, but it took about 30-40 minutes to clear it. Highly recommend for a newbie that just wants to understand what doing a C3 site is like via hands on with zero risk before moving to something that can actually clear them at a decent speed.

Probably the best way to make money right now for someone who's got a decent grasp on the game mechanics but plays a single character and doesn't want something with tons of risk is just doing abyss though. Cruiser abyss is hard limited to one ship/character, it can be done in the safety of high sec (Even if you should do it far from a trade hub where there's minimal traffic), and once you understand how it works you can easily make 100-150m ISK/hr in a relatively cheap Gila as an alpha clone. You can literally have a dedicated free to play character that just prints ISK for your main sitting somewhere in space, so you don't even have to keep your main parked somewhere to do it or mess with your skill plan.

The downside to abyss is that the money sucks until you get into T4 for cruisers, and T5 is the baseline where it becomes comparable to C3 farming and other activities. T6 is even better for a single character but puts you in a Marauder level of cost for a ship that can get skullfucked by a handful of Coercers, and drops enough loot to make it worth doing.

>>1937571
Lasers are great in controlled environments where the high optimal range and relatively higher damage than other turrets can be effectively applied at all times and the cap management isn't a big problem. They have major weaknesses though that other weapon types don't (Obviously cap usage being highly vulnerable to neuts; zero falloff is a death sentence if you're ever fighting just outside your optimal range; weaker tracking makes it easier for people to get under your guns compared to other short range weapons) and are typically found on ships that can't control range to mitigate their flaws (Amarr) or are extremely expensive and don't get wide use (Blood Raiders, Sansha).

The laser ships that can work for solo/small gang PvP are things like the Slicer and the Omen Navy Issue because they're incredibly fast and have a range bonus which means they can usually control the fight and leverage their higher than average DPS at point range against targets. But the Triglavian ships flat out do that better than them, being faster, have less cap usage, higher tracking, far higher DPS after a short spool time, and better slot layouts for only a small cost more. For example, the Omen Navy is roughly the same price as a fitted Vedmak, but the Vedmak is faster and overtakes the Omen's DPS after only about 30 seconds, potentially dealing more than double its sustained DPS at the same range.

(Amarrian) Laser ships do loop around and become good again once you get into 10-15+ person fleet combat where they can be backed up by logistics and use a dispersed formation to reduce tracking problems, but this isn't really a common form of combat for many players. Even then, a lot of doctrines just use other weapons/ships because they're more flexible for different engagement sizes.

>>1942267
>30m ISK
>30-40min
>requires active piloting in dangerous space
Total shit. Noobs will always be better off in a 1M ISK heron.

>>1941043
Laser ships will never get used in WH (outside gigablob scale and W-R Confessor memes) because cap warfare is king and fights tend to be more brawly.

>>1943360
>Noobs will always be better off in a 1M ISK heron.

>adds more sites with even better loot to nullsec sov
>devalues the exploration loot even further
>nothing personell noob
It is time to stop advocating for new players. Nobody likes new players, not even CCP. It is time to add more multibox support to milk-uh I mean, "support" the playstyle of the already entrenched players. After all, they are the ones paying for our new cryptosca- I mean "cutting edge technology" new games.

>>1943479
>After all, they are the ones paying for our new cryptosca- I mean "cutting edge technology" new games.
De-Regulated Finance will make normal and good people become poor and destitute, because they will be robbed. Just like 2008 and Derivitaves and Quantative Easing and all the other complicated too-big-to-fail scams, that only normal people ever go broke for, and no rich ever goes to jail in el salvador for life.

Which one would you join?

how to huff gas as safely as possible as a newbro retard

>>1944774
ECCM sensor booster venture with either a WCS or an inertia stab.
make a few safe spot bookmarks, warp to the site, set a 15min timer on your phone, pulse dscan, leave the second anything spooks you.
leave when NPCs show up 15-20min after you arrive.
never warp to Ordinary Perimeter unless you know what you're doing.
later on there are some tricks like jedi huffing and perching that let you get the gas even with the NPCs on grid, which makes it even safer.
https://youtu.be/amHMIIv_fyM

>>1944750
Sansha, 100%. Out of all the "pirate" factions, they're the only one who can rival any of the actual four empires. They're also the only pirate faction (Beyond SoE, if you count them) active in wormhole space, rumored to even have several systems colonized from which they launch their attacks.

>>1944774
Russian style. Get the cheapest Venture you can get, with a core probe launcher, two scoops, and a 5mn meta MWD. Scan down gas sites in empty lowsec systems, turn on your scoops, go AFK.

There's no reason to bother trying to keep your ship alive--either someone comes along and fucks you up for shits and giggles and you lose a few million ISK or you run off with about 50m ISK worth of gas and fund a half dozen more ships. You shouldn't bother spending the mental bandwidth attempting to protect your ship because it's a waste of time and ultimately futile. Just do something else you enjoy and listen for the ringing sound when your cargohold fills.

>I can't find any gas in lowsec
You could go to j-space, but gas there is worth far less.

>>1944901
>rumored to even have several systems colonized from which they launch their attacks.
Sanchez holes are a thing. You run into them sometimes when you regularly to wormhole shit and some people farm them.

>>1944750
Mordus Legion

>>1945030
I have all three of them seeded for shits and giggles, I just mean in lore Sansha apparently has a group of j-space systems where they have stations and such, which is canon for how they launch incursions. Obviously we can't get to them.

>"jedi huffing"
why are wormhole niggers insufferable

just orbit the biggest cloud at 500m with a MWD and the rats won't ever catch you

>>1934006
Although different in several important ways, I feel that Eve succeeded in the ways Earth and Beyond had intended to but failed to achieve, and I see Eve as a kind of successor to the type of game E&B was intended to be.

>>1937647
Anon, frens don't let frens play bad predatory games when objectively better alternatives are available. Word of mouth is how truly good games get players.

>>1945606
this post brought to you by AWE Corporation.

>Balance changes that will crack open this meta.
>50 hull hp

>armor doctrines gain speed
Yeah, more speed creep is exactly what this game needs.

retard

The features in this "major" update once again sound like an intern's side project again, too.

>wormhole ui enhancements
what does this even mean

>any changes to wormhole space
it means wormholers will complain

>ui enhancements
This always means things get worse.

>more marauder (vargur) nerfs and marauders no longer allowed in ESS
>t3d buffs and they can now enter ESS
>ceno nerfed
>FNI, CFI nerfs
>BF changes
lmao

non-reddit source for changes?

>>1950379
They buffed the Kronos and Paladin

nice but are there any meaningful changes?

Fit a cloak and a warp stab and type how long your fav ship takes to lock.

>>1950556
Navy Apoc can do the same thing but actually project.

>>1950654
You might actually see a Maelstrom in space now

>>1950249
the best L4 mission ship

>>1950735
If you're using pulse lasers, the Leshak has identical or superior stats in all regards: The same range, better tracking, less cap usage, and only 5% less DPS completely unspooled which is overtaken in 10 seconds. Then again, the apoc sounds like it's about to lose its tracking bonus for a +100% optimal range bonus, so I guess there will finally be a reason to use it again.

5% more maelstroms is space! eve is saved! I predict 200k PCU in 2 weeks!

I'm sad that my beloved wife Maelstrom is being stripped of her full 8-gun rack, even if it makes her a better ship overall. At least I participated in my first Marshall kill just now, so that's nice.

Haven't played in a while. Does EVE still get sales for omega time or PLEX? I'm sitting on around 40k PLEX from speculation and I want to online some accounts, but I'd rather wait until a deal for the 24 months of omega or a 12 months omega+24 MCT.

What is the best small weapon in game?

>>1951071
my peenus weenus of course

>doing blops at an npc undock
>bridger accidentally conduits
>yeets a random hauler that just undocked with him
lel

>Navy Apoc can do the same thing but actually project
get them to remove the massive hp faction ships have

>>1951070
yeah if you wait for a sale you can get Omega for like $12/mo.

>>1951070
>>1951160
About a year ago, I got 12k PLEX for $300 and used it to get 12 months omega+24 months MCT (Which I converted into injectors and then ISK, then back to PLEX) for three accounts, but I heard CCP did away with that. Injector prices crashed over the year, but I still managed to recoup the majority of my PLEX.

>>1950884
none of that shit really matters when everything already dies in 3-5 shots using conflag, and sniping the only thing that matters, frigates, from 90km away, removing any of the important ewar (disrupts/scrams in case of surprise gank), and aggroing everything to you so you dont even have to move. also, there are very few to no neuts, you wont ever run out of cap with everything running, nor will you ever dip below 85% armor during any mission. now, after the patch the ANI will basically be paladin levels of efficiency for missions. i love the leshak, but even how the ANI is now, with implants, steamrolls every single mission effortlessly. i actually think you'd use more money on ammo running the leshak

>>1951071
light missiles by far

>>1951176
>xhe gave 300 shekels to current year CCP

>>1951176
>I still managed to recoup the majority of my PLEX.
I did exactly the same thing, except I bought plex with isk. I kept track of everything with a spreadsheet and at the end of it I have:
13670 PLEX
116 Skill Extractor
25 Large Skill Injector
and -5b ISK (i.e. I spent 5b)

i don't really understand how you did so badly. I saw a return of more than double my isk (73b net from 61.5b plex), and thats with significant losses from buying plex just before the price plummeted recently (could easily have another 4-500 plex) and buying extractors before the 2 for 1 sale.

>>1951070
there was a devblog a month or so ago alluding to not running those big fomo sales again, which caused plex to drop 10%.
but it'd be too retarded not to run a big omega sale again, even for ccp

If the rumours about CCP being offered for sale are true, expect incredibly Jewish monetisation to pump up the value soon. Last time we had the whole infinitely scaling Rorqual fiasco which ruined the game.

no amount of incredibly jewish monetisation would pump ccps value to the point where the gooks would even break even kek

the rorqual bullshit came to pump up the skill trading market. before rorqs online nobody gave a fuck about skill injectors.

>>1952619
For me, it was:
>Buy 12k PLEX for ~$300
>Get 3x 12 Omega/24 MCT for three accounts
>Leave main characters training on the three, side characters are skill farms.
>Each side character makes about 4 LSI per month
>LSI minus Extractor profit was initially around 400m ISK, dropped to be about 300m over the course of the year.
>Each account generated between 2.4 to 3b ISK worth of profit per month, minus some months I used to finish out certain skills on my alts.

If I extracted the main character on all three accounts, it would've more than paid for itself, but I just can't bring myself to extract things on my main account and the side ones needed to start training things like jump freighters.

Assuming that deal runs again, I'll probably PLEX six or so accounts this time with ISK and fully extract all of them since they pay for themselves. Adding PI into the mix makes them all free money at the cost of having a ton of extra accounts I have to waste time with occasionally, but I don't really want to spend a single moment of time playing EVE just so I don't have to pay real money to do the things I enjoy.

Laser platform
Armored juggernaut

so fucking epic going to null you either run into a loki fleet or a loki fleet or a loki fleet or a loki fleet

>>1953189
lokis are solo ships

>>1953189
You forgot the Redeemer fleet.

>>1952909
ah, I see
I didnt exactly extract everything trained, I added about 15m sp to my characters over the year. But for the most part they all already had all the skills I need.
I'm also counting sp from login rewards.
All characters had +4s and remap (2610 sp/hr).
Average net isk per extractor was 340m, dropping from 420m at time of 2for1 extractor sale.

ccp better run it again, I hope to get 7-8 accounts on omega and mct this time.

I don't even bother with PI. I set it up on a couple of characters and then didnt even reset extractors once.

>>1953200
stop smoking weed

smoke moar weed

>>1953281
My PI goes in phases. I had a really complex setup going that was making around 3b per account per month, but then I get lazy and stop running it. I thought if I dialed it back and made it a weekly reset I'd do better, but it just made me lazier.

I stopped playing as much after the Equinox update though, I originally had all those accounts online for wormhole fights and for j-space mining, but when the prices went down there was no reason to sustain them anymore.

If you want actual spaceship game play Nebulous

It's CSM time again. Any candidates worth checking out?

you should check out all the candidates running from highsec blocs this time

I did vote for Kshal last year, though the only things she cares about is yeeting destroyers in null and the HS incursion money to fund that.

voting is gay

Heron skin from twitch go go

https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-version-23-01?utm_source=launcher&origin=launcher&utm_content=en
Hmmm

Guys, le Elon is going to make le AI game in collaboration with CCP. How fucked are we?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1965284948551819409

>forced to train a new skill so my armour is even lighter
Aaaargh it's such a boring upgrade, couldn't they just buff armour layering?

buffer armour rigs still fucking terrible, just in a different way

Confessor my beloved.

Overpowered confessors were promised to amarr patriots 3000 years ago.

>>1954694
Oversized battery HAC were a menace for a long time as well. The devs said that didn't want to nerf this too much because it opened up gameplay possibilities. Like yes it opened up the ability to enjoy the perks of having an injector but caveat on having no response to being totally neuted out. In order to beat this combo you either need to do enough dps to kill it outright, enough nesting to drain it outright or enough of both to cap it out and in any of these three scenarios the fact is an injector requires more thought and skill.

yeah opening a gameplay possibility sounds like a good thing, but it's also removing about 100 gameplay possibilities from other ships

>>1954695
giving EO dev to grok would probably be an improvement

>>1954199
It's not really worth voting or getting involved with it. Speaking to former CSMs, CCP does whatever the hell they want, which is whatever they think will expand the playerbase at least temporarily.

CSMs primarily have an effect if they present data to CCP regarding how actual players are playing, what keeps them around, and what makes them quit. The problem is the game has backed itself into a corner and addressing the major problems to try and actually grow the playerbase is impossible without driving off the captive audience CCP has. They're not willing to take a risk angering the whales that fund them to go after this nebulous idea that there might be new players willing to try out a 20 year old space game.

Nullsec has the largest amount of active accounts in the game that dwarfs wormhole space and lowsec with only highsec coming close. Since that's where the (real) money is, that's where you can expect the most attention given to the game. Don't expect an Equinox-like expansion for anywhere else in the game because there's not enough active accounts in them to justify it.

>>1953555
I want to play a hardcore persistent ooen-world PvP game (which is why I play Foxhole with EO in such a sorry state).

>>1955674
>foxhole
>hardcore persistent
hey did they fix border bases/zoos being completely retarded yet

>>1955836
There's been no changes in a long while. Not the perfect system but probably roughly does what it's supposed to.

how much has this armour rig 'buff' fucked over armour fits

now people are even worse at rolling wormholes

>ccp games reykjavik studio
should I apply for a sóyftware dev job there

AO forever, sieg heil, reddit niggers/faggots eat shit. 1,000 years of life for lee, our beloved leader.

well ok then

>>1957097
I completely missed whatever was going on with AO. It really doesn't matter though because AO's sentiment is eternal and trying to stamp them out through violence just reinforces it.

The world is starting to turn the other way and shit like AO is coming back into vogue, expect people who care more about fitting in to start embracing their sense of humor and the few remaining die hard alphabet crowd to wind up marginalized, ostracized, and made completely irrelevant, with companies treating them like they're radioactive.

>>1957097
Is AO any good as an alliance? I would really like one where I can say nigger in comms

>>1957310
AO is completely incompetent and recruits the dumbest sort of players for cannon fodder. They have more red on their killboard than All-Out (God rest their soul) ever did. And worst of all, their leader is a Frenchman.

>>1957313
AO is tiered. You can easily tell who's competent simply from the corporation they're in.

>>1957310
>nigger in comms
maybe not during a 500 person fleet, but nigget hates AO simply because it harbors our type.

If you are in a shitty dullsec zerg you are the nigger.

>>1957392
where do u do reactions you stupid fucking mongoloid? most lowsec groups were just shitters who got pushed out of nullsec. ur a wannabe, ur rigs are trash, you got no moons, no blueprints, no bitches.

>>1957310
>Is AO any good as an alliance?
fucking useless shitty alliance that gets all their recruitment from blind-inviting Day 1 noobs in career agent systems.
They go the neo-nazi edgy route just so people give them attention. If they didnt no-one'd care about who they are or what they did.

>>1957310
>Is AO any good as an alliance?
Not really. They get reddit niggertrannies mad, but that's about the only good thing about them. They have bad internal organization, spam recruit to get as many people possible and then don't even have decent training/onboarding for those players to mold them into something usable. It's actually a wonder they got as far as they did.
And like the other anon said, THE worst thing about them is that their leader is a frenchman. FUCK frog players. Like holy shit they are insufferable.

Should I join a Russian corp?

Sure, why not

>>1950379
>dronepacks got nerfed
KINO
EVE IS BACK

damn, I can't find a good wormhole corp, and the previous 3 i was in fucking sucked, too, trash ceos or altists stealing all the content

>>1957392
if nullsec is dull to you, its your own fault

good wormhole corps don't let awoxers like you in though

>Wormhole CSM looking for feedback on C2 sites
>No one has any legit feedbad beyond "it's good" because no one actually does the sites
No one's mentioning the elephant in the room. The sites are not worth doing because they take too long for their value unless you're risking a ship worth far more than they pay out. Make the sites escalate if you bring anything bigger than a T1 battlecruiser to them.

>>1958166
Didn't they change the spawns in the last patch notes?

>>1958166
why would anyone do wh sites below c3

>>1958172
No, that was C4. This time, C2 sites got the treatment.

>>1958176
There is currently no reason. You're doing sites that pay something similar to high sec DEDs in one of the more dangerous areas in the game. Likely you're using a T2 or T3 cruiser that's at the very minimum 200m ISK so you can make about 40m ISK an hour.

Unless CCP just makes them more valuable, the best way to fix it is to limit the class of ship that can be used for them and retool the site to match it in difficulty. C1 sites should be limited to T1 cruisers, C2 sites should be for T1 battlecruisers. This way the risk of ship loss is minor and the pay is reasonable for the risk.

>>1958186
>Unless CCP just makes them more valuable, the best way to fix it is to limit the class of ship
Just make the sites more compact and nerf the rat ehp. If you include the travel time in-site the actual isk/hr makes it not worth bothering .

>>1958192
The problem is if you make the sites faster to clear, people will still drag out overclassed ships for them to clear them more rapidly and either the pay still won't be worth doing over C3 sites or it will be even better for less risk, overshadowing higher class wormholes. The progression of site difficulty doesn't work when the available ship types for doing them is unlimited.

If lower class wormholes are to be less valuable than higher class ones, their design needs to be rethought for why players are doing them.

>>1957772
wh basically all falls under 1 coalition now. if you dont do what hawks say you get roflstomped.
if you're not under their banner its only a matter of time until they roll into your hole

>>1958176
comfy solo myrmidon territory

>>1958176
I run C2 and C3s in Combat Recons.
Rook is my favourite.
10 man gangs go through all the time and never know I'm there.

>>1958425
I do C2s in an Arbitrator, C3s in a Vexor. It's really slow but I can do it on an alt and it keeps the home system clear.

I think one thing that could be done is make different wormhole classes drop parts for different T3 ships. For example, C1/C2 drops sleeper salvaged used for T3 destroyers/frigates, C3/C4 drops for cruisers and battlecruisers, and C5/C6 drops for battleships/capital ships. All wormholes drop a little salvage of all types, but it's something like a 80/10/10 split.

>>1957431
>>1957450
the best part about shitter small alliances is that you actually impact its life. most the "AO nazi" retardation is from 2-3 people on discord saying dumb shit, which tells you the importance of active people. i've even seen a single, few month old condor solo tackle a FAX to take it down.
>next, you'll shill me your bullsec 2k zerg fleets.

>>1957793
>unironically defending dullsec
I am sorry xir, I am afraid your brain tumor is terminal.

>>1958756
>ur a transy cuz i cant generate my own content
ok

>>1959100
I CAN generate my own content though?
And the best part is, I don't have some USI nigger yelling in my ear what I can or can't fly. I can paint my killboard red flying the dumbest shit possible any time I want unlike you DULLSEC faggots who can't even speak in local without your FCs approval, LMAO.

the only place i've heard of this happening is horde

why would a sniping battleship use pulses?

>>1959103
>>1958756
u have NO MOONS and I single handedly generate 20% of YOUR content

it is really fucking funny when the enemy is talking in local and the fc is like DO NOT RESPOND DO NOT RESPOND DO NOT TALK IN LOCAL

Just trained Advanced Armor Layering 5, will my 1600 steel plate on a stabber feel like feathers?

if you can fit it...

>>1959743
a pound of feathers

>plate stabber
stop

>>1959103
>I CAN generate my own content though?
You can't generate content without nullsec because WH pvp is hot garbage.

>>1960256
>WH pvp is hot garbage
>Q_Q I can't cyno my 30 blobs on an enemy, I can't cyno blops on my enemy, I can't cyno my rorquals/JFs around, MUH CYNOS
>CYNOS CYNOS CYNOS
>Muh aggression timers and gate games, why can they just shoot me and go through the wh right after.
That's all I hear from your dullsec-rotten brain.

bro actually defending wh pvp

how to fix wormhole space

>>1959351
scorch uber alles

>>1960139
hes cracking the meta as ccp intended

all ship size groups should have jump capable option
thrasher with a jump drive give me that right now
i dont give a fuck about lore bullshit hurr jump drives are too big xd. its all bs when blops bs exist.

nigger

safety would be the inner city youth of eve online. they cheat, rob, murder and lie. when will there be a /vm/ crusade

It will never not be funny that AO somehow attracted EVE's collective attention for punitive action first over Safety. Almost like Safety benefits null's bottom line or something.

the actions of Safety. benefit all of New Eden. AO are retarded clowns.

Ignore nullbaby posts. They don't know how to think, they only know how to f1 when their officer daddy tells them to.

what do wormhole fags even do

>>1961000
Complain about shit.
>Mention rolling off exits while I farm my wormhole system
>Some HK fag throws a fit about it being unsportsmanlike for discouraging PvP and how he rats in a nag whenever he feels like

>>1960963
u have no moons, bitch

>>1961005
This is what living in low class j-space is truly like.

>Log on for the day, scan home system (5-15 minutes depending on the number of signatures)
>If there's good sites, put up CCTV and run them all, possibly rolling off bad holes no one's going to use
>Check static afterwards, it's empty so you roll that too
>Next system has a few sites, hop out start clearing them
>Return home with a few hundred million ISK, roll the static and do it all again
>Get dropped by a Cenotaph, Loki, and a Sabre
>Pull out your pocket Falcon and spread jams, MJD activates, warp out and cloak
>Fags complain the Falcon is gay and you are also gay by extension
>It's wormhole space, so in reality, everyone is gay
>Ping rest of corp to get on so you can exfil
>Leave the system without incident despite only having a Retribution, a Heretic, and your cloaked Falcon because the attackers are too afraid to chance you'll undock more
>Choke the static to death with sigil alts
>Log because you've wasted four hours for 200m ISK when you could've just farmed incursions or mined ice in high sec

seeding is pretty gay to be honest
you're putting your 'alt' in a stranger's 'hole'? come on now
and the people who do it are never satisfied with just one. they need to seed dozens of different holes at all times

weirdly enough my j-space experience has been
>no one fucking plays
>anyone that is online just sits in station
>no one is in comms
>no one wants to fight
>as soon as they see 1 enemy @here in discord that theres danger
>1 or 2 people, or 1 person with an alt or 2 will attempt to roll the hole because no one knows how to roll, and only 1 or 2 people have rolling ships because the ceo doesnt enforce any rules
>they get caught in a bubble and die
>everyone logs off or goes back to k-space
maybe low class is hell

>>1961269
It's really just that there's no incentive to do anything in low class space. It's not like it prints any real money, no exaggeration, high sec makes more ISK now than C1-3 with far, far less risk.

My last corp though had CCTV up on every wormhole in our system 24/7, the place was incredibly safe. Discord would get a post about every non-blue that jumped in or out along with a threat rating so virtually no one but people AFK mining got caught.

Is there a destroyer than can fit 800mm steel plate

not and accomplish anything else

>>1961281
>high sec makes more ISK now than C1-3 with far, far less risk.
doing what, burner missions? incursions? homefronts? those are snorefests that shouldnt be considered, no matter how they pay

money shouldnt be the issue, you can huff gas for 2 hours a day and afford a rolling battleship, or a fitted battlecruiser or 2, and other things, you dont have to fly around in a snaked 3b isk t3c every single time you undock. but thats besides the point, most of the players are just bad and have no drive to learn or stay online to pursue content, despite the corpo im in right now, living in a c4, with a c4 static, no one attempts to farm the statics or take any fights. they just huff gas sometimes, and sometimes they mine and die for minerals in barges to >>>>>indy, leaving wormholes open without any alts parked away from a hole. i dont think theyve won a single fight in weeks, maybe months of being in j-space. but i guess you cant do any of that when no one bothers to get online, nor have a single FC, or anybody willing to learn or step up. i cant even find a corp that does stuff like i just listed, like farming statics, critting holes to farm, and courteously split gas harvesting opportunities.
got any wh corp recommendations? the official eve discord sucks, r/evejobs too, its always the same 3 ads

>>1961382
My corp used to do things like that, but we lost people due to IRL attrition over time and no recruitment. We'd farm our C3 static as a group, sometimes we'd do it solo too. Occasionally we'd get together with another wormhole group and roam j-space looking for fights.

What killed it was the upkeep and risk became untenable compared to other things in the game. Farming C3s solo, even in a cheap Praxis (Which isn't cheap anymore), Typhoon, or now commonly a pair of Gilas, takes way too long relative to the cost of the ship. Drake gangs are slow. Dragging out a Paladin is retarded. Not to mention it took time rolling for a suitable hole. I'd say station defense was a thing too, but after four years we only had one attempt on the system and it was caught and neutralized before they could bring in any hardware beyond a Golem.

People started running incursions in high sec. HQs paid about 200m ISK/hr to each character that did them, sometimes far higher depending on the group. A couple of them went to join a C5 group and rat in capitals. Hell, a few just continued multiboxing a half dozen Hulks in high sec because HS ice is paying stupidly high right now. I stopped running fleets for my corporation because even the C13 fleets weren't getting people anymore. All the things that would've kept us in wormhole space just weren't worth doing compared to other things for profit, and if we just want to roam and fight, we can do that out of Thera or Amarr.

If you're looking for active j-space corps though, join the Wormlife Freeport discord and check their ad section. A lot of more established corps will post ads in it.

>>1961451
>irl attrition and no recruitment
damn, this the same shit happening in the corp im now. hell, im the one that ended up doing almost all of the recruiting and advertising, and when i stopped, the ceo never picked it up, or anyone else, because it gets treated like its the most demanding thing in the entire game. floors me that someone would go through all the trouble of plopping down structures to end up sitting in station for hours with essentially no gain, and i know there aint enough isk being made for fuel, so i assume plex is being bought and and sold to supply them. basically on borrowed time until they get evicted (again) for looking too snuggly. anyway, thanks, i wouldnt have thought of looking at wormlife discord, ill take a peep at that sometime tomorrow

>>1961489
Recruiting isn't all that difficult, but in our case I was the CEO and no longer have time IRL to devote to organizing corporate activities, so I'm not going to trick anyone into joining a corporation that doesn't do anything. By this time though, most people were already joining public fleets for stuff anyway, so it wasn't a big deal.

I keep the lights on our structures solely because my account hasn't run out of time yet and I have almost a trillion ISK anyway. What really fucking kills me though was Equinox, there's no reason to bother with industry in j-space anymore so there's really no reason for us to be where we're at. A lot of people have come to that realization but they still want to keep the structures up for nostalgia.

It's been a very, very long time since low class wormhole space had anything worthwhile in it, but undoing scarcity (And not even undoing it equally, it's literally scarcity for everywhere else but nullsec in game right now) completely wrecked our regular activities. We ratted for ISK too, but our mining fleets were stupidly profitable, we were clearing around 8-12b ISK of wormhole ore per week with a fleet of Hulks and Covetors just by running one long mining fleet sucking up Gneiss. Can't even approach half that anymore.

remove rolling, delete 80% of wh systems

>>1961382
>leaving wormholes open without any alts parked away from a hole
This is a big reason why fewer people want to live in a wormhole, you're practically shackled to it. Get caught outside when someone comes by to ref your structures and you'll lose everything with no way to get back in.

I had eight accounts at my peak, two of the three total characters on each are logged in our wormhole, but you can't expect people to do that especially when they're new. A lot of people have one main character they play and no alts to speak of, they're not going to sacrifice training time so they have an alt character with sub optimal skills which they'll never actually use. The nature of hole control provides a unique environment where an attacker can't just call an army for a bash without taking control of the exits for days straight, but it's also a huge failing of wormhole space for actually allowing people to play the game.

I'm currently in a "wormhole" corp that lives in a C2-NS/5. It's good fun but we never use the 5 so I wouldn't really consider us wormholers. Might have to leave it soon due to a move to another timezone and I've got no idea where I'll go, is high class wormhole space in a fun place if I just want to fight or should I look into other options?
Shill me your favourite AUS/NZ tz corps, no sovnull bs though

>>1961596
If it's not 745 you're already in, they're pretty good. They also have a C2 with NS/C5, but they mainly use it for blopsing in null.

>>1961597
I'm in Odin's Call. I'm actually kind of interested in BLOPs, we don't do much of that here, so I'll keep them in mind after my move.

>>1961287
double 400mm Eris is dank

>>1961269
>no one fucking plays
>anyone that is online just sits in station
>no one is in comms
>no one wants to fight
This is like 90% of corps in Eve.

>>1962713
>No reason to undock for money
>PI+Skill Extraction pays more than anything else I could do since it's infinitely scalable
>PvP isn't even particularly fun
It's not hard to see why.

your shit at pvp

I can beat everyone in this thread in PVP "1V1" because I have 30 accounts.

Nice game lolbabs, oh wait, wrong thread. Or is it?

nah I can take you

>>1962779
>Get attacked by a guy with a tackle alt and a cloaked T3C
>He gets mad because I uncloak a Pilgrim and a Tengu to counter him
>Apparently adding the third box was a crime against humanity, two should be everyone's max

in a fight, you mean?

suitonia please nerf covops next

if someone does have more than 2 characters, excluding pi alts, i start to believe that person is actually homosexual

Forum shitposting alt does that count?

i have more than 120 characters and don't do PI
and im not gay in fact ive never even had sex

yes, sir. here's my documentation, sir. as you can see 5 alts. may I pass, sir?

Whats the most racist/sexist/antisemetic alliance in the game thatbis actually good at the game too?

>>1963317
white stag exit bag

>>1963317
I've heard the Hydra lads are pretty edgy. Good luck getting in though.

tengoo

>>1963317
>Whats the most racist/sexist/antisemetic alliance in the game thatbis actually good at the game too?

>raciss
anybody not antifa/provacateur
>sexiss
anybody who does not hate normal male men without strange pronoun obsessiveness disorder.
>antiwhateverlliance?
that could mean you don't hate Thomas Massie these days.
that could mean you don't hate it when Charlie Kirk gets JFKed with curious geopolitical timing.
careful, you're describing peace-preferring people now...

>>1964093
>raciss
>sexiss
>antiwhateverlliance?
wtf is this retardation? kill yourself immediately

>>1964188
nothing else? at least b original or funny.

Is All-Out still alive?

>>1964326
Yes, but our retirement home is full, go raise indexes somehwere else.

I want to play eve but I just can't make myself to actually do it.

>>1964389
Play Eve Echoes. Its simplified and on phone. Gameplay is similar enough.

>>1964389
Just wait for Eve:Frontier aka EVE 2. It's gonna be better in literally every aspect than EVE.

I just want Dust to make a comeback.

I wonder if they'll ever reprint Second Genesis.

>>1964389
We need EVE Offline.

>>1964441
4x Eve would be great.

>>1964433
hilmar, stop

>Arkombine Bellicose
That's it.

>CCP does anything not directly related to EVE
>NOOOOOO, NOOOO, MY MONEY IS WASTED! I'M GOING TO SHIT MY PANTS AND WET MY DAIPEE.
nigger, faggot, cunt, kikes with no conception of property. nigger nigger nigger

correct
stop wasting my money on shit projects

that money should be spent on more apoc buffs

It's their money, they are free to do whatever they want with it, even spend it on hookers and blow.

Stop being an entitled manchild basement dweller whose only interaction with other people is some sociopath-tier mindgames in a 20+ year old dying MMO game and go outside and TOUCH FUCKING GRASS FAGGOTS.

Kys Hilmar

>>1965116
lol no they aren't
its my money and i get to tell them exactly what to do with it
where's this level of entitlement come from with these fucks

that into cutscene to vanguard was cool. Eve is at its best when its ripping off homeworld.
Too bad the game itself was kind of boring and easy

>>1964452
Eve Galactic Conquest isnt actually that bad, ppl just hated it cuz of AIslop was used for all the art.
Also its pretty easy to mod Eve factions into Stellaris.

>>1964834
>love a burger chain
>it makes pretty unique but decent burgers
>it adds salads to the menu
>it adds pasta to the menu
>it adds burritos to the menu
>all the new additions arent very well done and no-one orders them
>it diverts staff hours, resources and training away from just making more burgers
>quality of the burgers drops a little because too much effort is spent on other stuff
We just want them to focus on the burgers and ignore the other shit

>>1965398
except every day no matter what happens the burger is exactly the same. I get your simile but it's simply shit. a better simile would be a lottery machine you thought only ever gave winning tickets but never did. nigger.

they should make other games, but not eve babby versions or connected to eve things

>>1965492
actually a lottery machine does give winning tickets
just not to you

>>1965562
>7 year old reading comprehension

Anyone playing Vanguard? Whats the fastest way to get these event points? Are the squalls D-scannable like those from the egg event years ago?

>>1965641
there's a repeating 'kill 25 npcs' objective for 25 progress points so you could technically just spin an Ishtar if you wanted.
ive been playing a bit of Vanguard cuz you can get mad progression on the tracker by just logging into that.
its ok, the sensitivity is really low by default which is fucking annoying.

>>1965709
2100 rats in two weeks please kill me.

>>1965770
>2100 rats in two weeks please kill me.
Rookie numbers.

>>1965639
tell me i'm wrong

vanguard doesnt even have vaulting, this shit feels ancient to play. in a weird way, it feels older to play than eve

>>1965770
well I did the Vanguard way and after playing it like 6 hours today none of my assignments counted to the progress tracker so its probably still faster to do it the Ishtar way.

>>1966265
My only problems with it are
>performance issues (obvs, its an alpha)
>movement feels really sluggish like the character is walking around in honey
>some of the maps are just clusterfucks of mazey tunnels for no reason other than to waste your time
>the AI of the enemies is retarded and 90's style "walk slowly towards you while shooting"

all they had to do was copy dust and expand on it

why would I play this instead of for example Borderlands?

For swatting small rats and rogue drones look nowhere else.

>>1966515
also chinks

>>1966329
knowing Sony there's prob some autistic clause in a legal document from 15 years ago saying that they cant recycle any DUST code, content or branding. Cuz you know... cant have that competiting with Planetside 2 lol.

kevin

Vanguard is incredibly boring. I wonder how much longer will it take before they axe it.

>>1968135
>much longer will it take before they axe it.
Don't worry, as soon as it flops, it's gonna go on life-support mode while they work on EVE: Vanguard 2, financed with even more EVE money of course.

It should have been cel shaded or optimized for toasters to play on.

even toasters cant handle eve. my 3070 handled vanguard very well compared to that first abysmal playtest, though nothing has really changed. the tutorial does have a very nice atmosphere, I thought. i loved seeing the barghest and the orthus in the sky, but thats basically where my compliments stop. fuck that virus uplink segment, i wanted to quit out right there, and maybe i should've, because those 3 assignments afterwards were a fucking slog

>>1968135
Honestly the issue with it is the playtime for each match is too long.
If it was 10-25min drops like picrel. Get in, do the thing, gtfo I'd sink 100s of hours into it.
But with Vanguard it takes that concept and spreads it over ~1 hour of nothing really happening.
I know its pre-Alpha but the NPC AI doesnt help either. It feels like you're playing a 90s Doom Clone with everything slowly walking towards you in a straight line shooting with perfect accuracy.

>>1968867
>it takes that concept and spreads it over ~1 hour of nothing really happening.
This.
At least with DayZ or something you go in expecting like 1~3 hours of not seeing anyone or nothing happening and its an open sandbox.
Vanguard feels like you run around for an hour doing annoying fetch quests on a shit map only to suddenly get a pop-up saying you lost the match cuz the one other guy in the match extracted.

>live in null
>follow other ratters around with a Stealth bomber
>chill afk on grid taking half their ticks
>gotten away with it for years now and no-one's noticed

>Be covert ops pilot on staging system
>Deploy combat probes then cloak
>Intel channel goes "Ey Timmy are those your combat probes?" "Ehh? no that must be Johns" "Wtf? not me" "Ok who dropped combat probes?"
Buncha babies shit themselves easily.

also happened in my previous corp but no one on comms and its 3 or 4 people copy pasting dscan

>>1879243 (OP)
huh who the fuck kitbashed a ferox and a tornado

Kevin

new thread
>>1970789

>open eve launcher
>let it sit for a couple of mins
>launch game
>"Incompatible build"
>quit and the launcher immediately updates
WHY THE FUCK DOES THE LAUNCHER ALWAYS WAIT FOR ME TO START THE GAME BEFORE CHECKING FOR UPDATES
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA