Thread 57891141

The duality of chicken

>>57891141 (OP)
Both were told she has autism and each creator interpreted that differently.

Kind of shameless how Mastersex justified the SM protags being soulless smiling husks by making them borderline retards

>>57891270
Cute retards are cute.

>>57891141 (OP)
The two types of autism

>>57891141 (OP)
I prefer "Special Chicken". She is cute.

>>57891141 (OP)
Manga characters are well known for being OCs separated from their game counterparts.

isn't she dawns sister in the manga or is that just headcanon

>>57891461
Please, specify which kind of “special” chicken are you referring to.
Pokemon Special Chicken? Or Special Chicken

>>57891673
The chicken that prefers using Special moves over Physical.

>>57891141 (OP)
Do people actually remember most people they meet? I only remember people I see on a regular basis, couldn't recognize an old coworker or anyone I went to school with even if my life depended on it.

>>57891141 (OP)
Masters Chicken is up there with Dawn and Hilda as my favorite FeMC

>>57891723
I'd recognize anyone I went to school with, unless they look extremely different (like way fatter and bald)

>>57891732
she looks like she's not wearing pants

>>57891141 (OP)
chicken's vacant stare accurately represents the lack of investment the player has in sun and moon's story

>>57891519
>separated from their game counterparts.
This makes it sound as if the player avatars had canon personalities prior to Masters. For those who never made it into the anime, the Manga was the ONLY characterization they received.

>>57892267
i don't think the people who made BW2 envisioned Rosa being part of team plasma

>>57892312
Or May being a feral girl, Dawn being a rich girl, Nate being an edgelord, etc

Where did the “chicken” meme come from?

>>57892350
Her hat looking like a chicken crest

>>57891141 (OP)
Autism VS adhd

>>57892312
>>57892330
I get it, but it’s still annoying to see people still act as if these blank slates are written “out of character” when they read the manga. Besides each arch switches up the main characters so you’re just bound to have some more out there creative choices by necessity

>>57891270
Only Selene is depicted as "slow" in Masters. Elio just overthinks and spaces out.

>>57891141 (OP)
Also she's Platina's sister for some reason.

>>57892493
Same thing, just a different flavour of smiling retard

>>57891141 (OP)
>"At age 6, you earned your doctorate degree."
>"A PhD program typically takes four to seven years." (https://www.coursera.org/articles/how-long-does-it-take-to-get-a-phd)
There's no way PokeSpe Chicken isn't a reincarnated doctor, who just speed run life. Or she just have the highest IQ of all dexholders.

>>57891141 (OP)
>College grad at age 6
This is like Itachi tier character wank. Is she that popular?

>>57892906
That's just what PokeSpe does. Nate/Blake is a federal agent to play off Rosa/Whitley being an ex-Plasma grunt. Its version of May (Sapphire) is feral and raised in the wild. And that's without mentioning side characters.

>>57891141 (OP)
God the Special manga is dogshit and I hate the anon that tricked me into reading it because "DUDE BEHEADED ARBOK"

>>57891162
it's kinda funny that because some of the greatest geniuses in the world happen to be autists, a lot of (often self-diagnosed) autists act like they're some sort of misunderstood geniuses.

Turns out most autists are retarded except the handful whose brain blows up and breaks the scale

>>57893465
A handful of smug redditors that won't shut up about how intelligent and nihilistic they are has done irreparable damage to the autistic community

what the 2020s calls autism, we previously called interests

>>57891141 (OP)
Imagine a chicken sandwich

do you think chicken and guzma...?

>>57894397
Yes. She's the dom btw.

>>57893465
The opposite is also true, if you're autistic and "high functioning" people assume you're a savant and don't need any help with, you know, the fucked up brain disability that impacts your whole life

>>57895211
Those are different concepts. High functioning means a mild enough autist that can conduct himself and live an independent life, generally after some some training to be a functioning citizen. Those often have some weird habits but in fact barely need any help. And they can have any IQ from average to super genius.
I know a dude like this but one day in a sperg moment he acted as a dickhead and I haven't talked with him ever since. I'm not anyone's therapist and he abuses his condition to act like he doesn't have agency.

Savants are a whole different concept, their brain is maxxed in one thing and completely retarded in every other aspect. Those aren't "high functioning" and can never have a normal life.

>>57891832
retard

>>57892896
dipshit

>>57895816
>>57895821
how eloquent

>>57891141 (OP)
I prefer this special chicken.

>>57895926
Those chicken thighs are looking much more appetizing than those chicken breasts somehow.

>>57893647
>>57895926
Yum

>>57892471
The thing is that Masters tends to have a basis for writing main characters if that character has appeared as an NPC before. For example, even though Masters treats Brendan as the MC of the Hoenn games and May as the rival, Brendan's speech style in Japanese (which conveys personality) matches his speech style as a rival. They just obviously don't include him getting fed up with losing to the new girl over and over again. Sometimes they give characters a shtick (they tried to make Ethan a hiking and nature nut early on but quickly stopped doing that because nobody cared), and they're generally not overbearing. Lyra had a senpai thing going on at the start because her NPC role in HGSS has her trying to be a mentor. Hilda is a hot-blooded battle slut because her NPC role in BW was hanging out in the Battle Subway. And of course you have what they've done with Elio and Selene where they reference their blank stares, or play off the Masked Royal being Kukui by having Elio realize it but Selene be completely oblivious. Florian is from the Violet universe which has future Paradox Pokémon, and he's treated as someone who likes sci-fi and mysteries. I think it's also easier for the writers to write Silver as a way of writing Ethan, because there are a lot of scenes with them together.

>>57897569
>The thing is that Masters tends to have a basis for writing main characters if that character has appeared as an NPC before.
NPCs do tend to have more dialogue for them to work off of.

>>57891141 (OP)
her being canon retarded makes it even funnier, imagine being hau and being out performed by a crayon eater at every opportunity

>>57892330
>Dawn being a rich girl
I headcanon hear being a rich girl who became Professor Rowan's assistant as a way to learn humility.

>>57897665
Her Rowlet does the thinking for her.

>>57892471
The point being the characterization is so far outside the overton window of what they're like in the games that they are indeed out of character

>>57897643
I used to write short fics from time to time and can confirm characters with lots of lines are the easiest to reference. Your image reminded me of how much fun I had writing Hapu one time because I usually look up words in a thesaurus so getting into her speech pattern was second nature to me

Selene impregnation

>>57897569
>Sometimes they give characters a shtick (they tried to make Ethan a hiking and nature nut early on but quickly stopped doing that because nobody cared)
I think that was mostly because they had to give him SOMETHING, and they couldn't play into his rivalry with Silver because Silver wasn't in the game yet.

>>57898781
Couldn’t they have drawn from the Manga like they did with Kris? Thats were they got her researcher thing from

>>57891141 (OP)
Moon is also Platinum's sister
That means she's Chicken and the little girl NPC that's the little sister of the PC you didn't pick in Gen 4

>>57901483
>the reason behind the blank stare is because she was traumatized by her sister getting isekai'd into feudal japan
Baby Chicken saw Platinum getting gored by a truck. This is the canon now.

>>57899943
While there is overlap, the greater focus on researching Unown is present in the original Crystal. Unlike Special, I pretty much never get that fan fiction feeling when it comes to Masters. Characters feel like extensions of how the player would perceive them from the bits of info that exist.

>>57901483
why is the manga so fucking stupid

>>57891141 (OP)
:D

>>57891797
She doesn't. She wears shorts. Nyuknyuknyuk.

>>57893506
What we now call neurotypical we used to call boring.

>>57895805
The real issue is that autism is a blanket statement for a whole lot of different behavioral traits. They all share some form of "Doesn't fit perfectly into being a good 9-5 worker", which is ultimately what autism really means. That's why it's a spectrum, because for practical purposes its easier to say 'this is a form of autism' then try and explain every detail of a person's specific compulsions.

>>57895825
Simpering philistine.

>>57901578
They've said that TPC is extremely autistic about how characters are presented in Masters, to the point it really hurts characters with minimal dialogue variety like Candice, who's stuck going "hurr durr muh focus" in Masters because that's all she ever really said in the games.

>>57903598
I found that out recently. Was trying to figure out how to write Erika for a fanfiction and figured I'd see if Masters had any dialogue that could help feel out her personality. It's just pages of different references to flowers and sleeping. They aren't even diverse by talking about different kinds of flowers, and Erika has a decent chunk more dialogue than some. Sabrina get's some neat characterization from her time as an actress, and Karen gets to talk about some variety in dark types and her philosophy in training at least.

>>57895805
>I know a dude like this but one day in a sperg moment he acted as a dickhead and I haven't talked with him ever since. I'm not anyone's therapist and he abuses his condition to act like he doesn't have agency.
It's tough, I know autism makes people less able to understand social interactions of non-autists or whatever, sometimes it just makes dealing with them a real pain. Like I have several coworkers with high-functioning autism, and some of them are actually pretty chill to hang with once you understand their vibe. But there's one guy who just doesn't understand boundaries and will get weird with women and stuff, not full-on chrischan lovequest style but leaning that way. I feel kinda bad cause he probably doesn't quite understand when he's making people feel uncomfortable, but even then I try to avoid him at all costs

I love her.

>>57903598
Nobody suffers like Fantina
I've never hated a character appearing as much as her. Her lines in the Japanese game at least have a bit more variety because there are more words for dance (踊る, ダンス, 舞) than English's one word, but I don't think they've ever touched on her being a foreigner and how much work she put into learning the language. She speaks differently to Lt. Surge, who uses tons of English and American-accented Japanese as shown as his katakana way of saying Japanese words. Hers is straight up normal Japanese, but it's not heavy on idioms, slang, or distinctly Japanese traits, it feels closer to how a foreigner who has spent a lot of time learning to speak the language perfectly would talk. There's a lot of potential for characters who aren't considered natives to their region, but I feel like TPC would prefer to avoid topics like that which get so political nowadays.

>>57901483
So… if they’re sisters does that mean that like… their moms are gay married?

>>57904646
Well damn, I now desperately want assimilated immigrant Fantina to be a thing. Also shame how Surge's americanisms are just completely lost in translation, sounds like he could be pretty funny. Soldier TF2 as a gym leader.

>>57904928
Cat wives

why is this board filled with so many not like us ahh diddy bluds?

>>57905620
They removed the /loli/ board decades ago at this point.

>>57905620
This isn’t even all that pedo of a thread?
It’s been super tame and mostly just talking about the character? There hasn’t been much sexualization at all
I mean like… compare to any of the character generals around

>>57904646
I knew about this but its fascinating to hear it spelled out.

Lyra will reference "the Johto dialect" as well, as if that were something that visibly existed in the translated versions.

>>57905126
He's a hoot in Japanese, yes. I appreciate that it wasn't shaved off in any way with the loss of his "American" origin.

>>57905620
Can't imagine why a board about a game series full of sexy children and sexier animals would be full of freaks. Totally unbelievable.

>>57905770
Yeah, the English translation of Masters is a fucking mess since the game is constantly referencing stuff from the games that localizers wrote out.

The most hilarious example is "Ganbaririe", which the original SM translation just replaced with some random pun... THEN they started officially translating it as "Lively Lillie" after they had to deal with localizing merchandise and shit that specifically referenced the name... and THEN they had to change it to the absurdly clunky "Not-Lily-Livered-Lillie" in Masters because the dialogue there kept referencing the actual game dialogue where the nickname originated AND made a point of the fact that it was Hapu that came up with it. And the English Masters dialogue still doesn't make all that much sense unless you were already familiar with the fact that the SM dialogue was rewritten to begin with.

This is why you TRANSLATE what's there instead of coming up with "clever" total rewrites.

>>57906075
I don't hate localizers enough.

>>57906075
Masters' nugget event makes absolutely no fucking sense in English either.

>>57901789
Because it can
It literally cannot fail so they can just do whatever and commit to it without fear of cancellation.

>>57906075
It was "never-lily-livered Lillie" apparently.

But yeah, holy shit this reads so terribly it hurts.

>>57906202
I meant to check this event out in Japanese to see what she calls Gladion there but forgot.

>>57906279
Okay, I checked and it's ゼンリョグラジオ (Zenryogurajio), from Zenryoku (full power) and Gurajio (Gladio; Gladion)

>>57906075
If anything, what this shows is that when you're working with a franchise that's intentionally and purposefully international in its scope, you shouldn't write text that only works in one language in the first place.
The localizers did a poor job, but they were also put into a shit position from the start because of the japanese writers not thinking enough about what kind of series they're working on both writing SM and again in Masters (where they did an even worse job). The problem started with them.

>>57906304
This isn't "text that only works in one language", this is the localizers working with dialogue involving a character giving another character a nickname and then deciding to just toss out the entire nickname thing and have the character make a random pun instead.

Nicknames are not some inherently Japanese concept, dumbass.

>>57906304
What the fuck are you talking about? The original dialogue was perfectly translatable, and I'm pretty sure it WAS properly translated into other languages.

>>57906327
Ganbaririe absolutely does not work in English anon.
Nicknames are not a inherently Japanese concept, but choosing a nickname based on a pun that only works in one language and constantly trying to force in that same pun in material that has to work in 8 (idk the exact number off-hand, I think that's right tho) languages - that's bad writing.

>>57906331
Anon, this is a franchise based around creatures that ALL have "ganbaririe" type puns as their names.

>>57906331
That's why you localize it as a different nickname instead of just rewriting the entire dialogue to remove the entire idea of Hapu giving her a nickname, you chucklefuck.

Pretty sure most international translations of SM DID translate the ganbaririe scene as Hapu giving Lilie a nickname, so they were able to translate the Masters scene accurately as well. It's just the burgers that shat the bed.

>>57891141 (OP)
I prefer Exibitionist Chicken

>>57906075
God, no wonder her masters dialogue focusing on the lily-liver is so weird, of course it's a translation fuckup. ガンバリーリエ actually sounds like a cute nickname, the English line feel like a broken record of retardation

>>57906087
What was it like? Both in jp and en

>>57906430
Do you remember that every game has a character in it that gives you a Nugget? No? That's because in the English game it's just some character giving you an item you promptly forgot about, while in Japanese it's a running gag with pretty amusing and very memorable dialogue. And the Masters event is all about this running gag that all players are familiar with.

>>57906340
Anyonw know what her nickname is in German/French/Spanish? Or other languages, I'm curious

>>57906441
Oh.

>>57906446
It's Lilie-bérée in French and Lyliagenza in Italian.

>>57906304
>>57906327
>>57906331
>>57906337
This is something you see a lot. The Japanese humor is mostly pun-based and you add onto stuff like the autism with their kanji and ching-chong writing system. It makes localizing harder for the multitude of languages it needs to be translated in that I can't blame the translators for trying to make sense of it. Especially when that nickname is something that only makes sense in Nip moonrunes.

>>57906441
I always thought it was a little weird that some guy just gave you $5000 for no articulated reason.

>>57897569
>Brendan's speech style in Japanese (which conveys personality) matches his speech style as a rival.
That does not make sense he should have a Kansai speech style, he's a Johtonian if he's the protag

>>57909435
This is the first I'm hearing about it, but if I'm not mistake a nugget is called a Golden Ball in Japan. And Golden Balls have a similar usage as 'family jewels' in America. So if I had to guess pokemon has secretly had a running gag in every generation where some random dude is giving the player his 'family jewels' so to speak.

>>57909474
>This is the first I'm hearing about it, but if I'm not mistake a nugget is called a Golden Ball in Japan.
I've heard this as well.

>>57909474
>some random dude is giving the player his 'family jewels' so to speak.
So you're getting teabagged?

>>57891723
Look up face blindness

>>57891723
Fuck no. Everyone just thinks they're the main character and that everyone who saw them in passing at the grocery once ought to know them by name and be their best friend.
I don't even know the names of most of my coworkers, just the ones I need favors from regularly (by "favors" I mean them doing their fucking job)

>>57909461
Norman doesn't speak with Kansai-ben either. On a meta level, they say that the protagonist comes from Johto in RS because GSC were the most recent games, (You) have come from Johto to Hoenn. In Emerald, this line is changed to simply be another region, and this is because FRLG came out last, so maybe you played a Johto game last or maybe you played a Kanto game. It's not so much a big lore deal.

>>57909474
That's correct.
The dude in >>57906441 is saying "This is oji-san's golden ball(s)!”
And yeah golden balls = testicles. If you've seen or read Dandadan, its whole premice is based on that pun

>>57892906
To be fair, Itachi was only impressive for his time. Shadow Clones used to be a basic technique. It's like someone getting his elementary degree just for memorizing the multiplication table. Kakashi and Naruto were just a few years older when they managed to do the same and Sarutobe was younger. The bar was just really low during times of peace.

>>57897747
That gets funnier the more I think about it.