This thread isn't about making bad pokemon "busted" or "broken",is more about giving them a niche or in the very least, making them useful.

I am interested in hearing your ideas.

Give dragon dance so it's not outclassed by a fuckton of other fire types

>>57910147 (OP)
Intimidate also lowers special attacks.

>>57910190
>Intimidate also lowers special attacks.

>>57910190

>>57910229
double student debt is the second worst thing they could think of?

>>57910245
Absurdity is a common part of comedy.

Literally, just make it faster.
I really don't understand why they make it slower than fucking Caterpie.
(Also give it U-Turn)

>>57910252
i dont think thats the intent

>>57910266
The intent of the character, or the author?

>>57910260
Railguns need to charge up before they fire

>>57910151
H-Arcanine is the fix.

>>57910300
base arcanine still deserves love too
both forms deserve dragon dance

>>57910311
Outside of very specific cases, DD either goes to Dragons and/or reptiles. Would be a nice buff for sure, but the justification is not really there.

How do we fix mixed attackers?

>>57910334
More Speed and/or at least 500 BST.
If mixed, not make it frail.
Cursola is the prime example of shitty stat distribution. If slow as fuck, make it bulkier and not waste stats on Attack. Invest if HP.

>>57910147 (OP)
Flower Gift now just gives an omni-boost instead of just boosting Atk and SpD
>In singles play, Cherrim is now actually a decent Sun abuser having actually good stats in the Sun, but is balanced out by Cherrim having a shitty movepool and needing Sun to be up (which also means Fire attacks deal double damage)
>In doubles, Cherrim is now a great support Pokemon by simply giving its partner an omni-boost, but this is balanced out by reasons above and now the possibility of being double targeted and Cherrim itself still being pretty weak on its own.

>>57910334
If were keeping its stat total the same take 50 points out of special attack and instead put 20 into both defenses and the last 10 into speed
Or 10 into each defenses and the last 30 into speed
I love Sevipers design it deserves better stat distribution

It's a Venus Flytrap, give it a Bug version of Storm Drain that boosts its attack.

>Insectivore: The Pokémon draws in all Bug-type moves. Instead of taking damage from them, its Atk stat is boosted.

Let it learn some bite attacks like Thunder and Fire Fang to deal with flying and ice types.

Jaw Lock instead of Crunch.

Snap Trap would help too.

It's a Venus Flytrap!

>>57910397
Imagine a Bug immunity ability when Bug is resisted by 'everything'. Never ever gonna understand why the introduction of Fairy had to give Bug another hindrance.

>>57910334
This is easy. I'm surprised nobody has suggested it before.

Make a new third type of attacking move, Mixed Damage moves. Moves that use a damage calculation based on both attack stats against the both of the target's defense stats.

These attacks would be best used by mixed attackers, and they would have a niche of being reliably able to damage most tanky mons who rely on one defensive stat. Sort of a specialist killer kind of role. Their raw output would never be on par with a min maxed attacker but there would be fewer things that can safely engage them due to their coverage.

Aka, give them better coverage to compensate. Fully commit to the jack of all trades bit.

>>57910147 (OP)
Castform would require an entire ui gimmick to be better, like when you send it out a button appears and when clicked it lets you choose the weather at the beginning of every turn.

Outside that make it so it starts in various weather forms depending on items being held. So it starts in rain form if it's holding a water stone/damp rock. That way you'd at least be able to have movesets.

>>57910289
the joke/author

>>57910408
I mean, he's supposed to eat bugs, right?

>>57910424
I know, but it's still surprising GF didn't introduce such an ability for some Grass-types even when it makes sense. Yet Sap Sipper is a thing on Grass types.

>>57910408
Bug Immunity would prevent U-turn from activating though. That has got to be worth something. Your opponent has a mon that relies on U-turn, you switch in Carnivine for free with a damage boost. Now they have to spend their turn manually switching with no bonus damage.

It has the potential to be pretty meta relevant as a niche. Carnavine wouldn't be a big threat but it would still be such a unique utility against a move that a lot of mons rely on. The ability alone would have an effect on the meta.

>>57910421
We may never know.

>>57910397
Also,replace Levitation for Strong Jaw

>>57910151
It's always been characterized by it's extreme speed™ so give it Speed Boost instead. Howl would then be just Dragon Dance for it without having those 'people' say the "ermmm it's not a dragon ackshully" line again

>defensive ice type

Yeah,there isn't much you can do for it:

>Raise HP and Sp.Def
>Replace Own Tempo or Ice Body for Filter
>Give it Zen Headbutt,Head Smash and the rest of the Elemental Fangs
>Shit,maybe even give it some dragon type moves

Anger Point -> Unaware

Switching / Pivot moves now cause all PP to be drained by 1, 2 if switching against a Pressure user. Red Card, Emergency Exit, Roar etc aren't affected by this

>>57910748
Dry Skin

>>57910420
Honestly, what Castform needs is to be a Rotom but for weather, it changes with the weather or while holding a waether extending stone, and the changed froms have a higher BST.

>Slaking
Truant gains a Comatose effect every other turn allowing moves like Sleep Talk to be used. However, it gains all the weaknesses as well like being affected by Dream Eater on turns it "slacks off."

>Magnezone
Overheat or Heat Wave. Hidden Power's removal absolutely fucking ruined it

>Golisopod
Emergency Exit has -8 priority rather than instantly triggering

Many bad pokemon can already have a niche or role to play in a doubles team, but when the collective meta's powerlevel is too high then it's never preferable to use a weaker mon on a team slot rather than a strong one.
Imagine you're trying to set up your teammate and the opponent just 1hkos your support with a 40bp priority move. Now what?
The best option would be a low-power meta that bans mons of a certain base stat total. Then you'd see the never-used pokemon see some play.

>>57910408
It’s a single ability that would be exclusive to 1 maybe 2 Pokemon, neither of which are even that good.

Increase their HP and Speed by 20 and they'll at least be good on Rain

>>57910899
>The best option would be a low-power meta that bans mons of a certain base stat total.
gtfo and only come back when you finally learn what stat distribution, typing, abilities, and movepools are

BST isn't everything, if it was then Slaking and Regigigas would be top tier threats that dominate the meta

>>57910940
You're a retard, it's okay to be retarded, but nonetheless you should probably carefully examine the mons that were good in regulation H and A since those were the lowest power metas.
A BST-based ban would remove several of the greatest mons even in that meta. You would see pokemon that never see play.

>>57910959
Concession accepted.

>>57910966
>I don't understand how metas work because I never pay attention
So are you just some singles shitter or what?
A BST-based ban would absolutely hit the mark, especially if it was something 530 or lower. Sure, Incin is still everywhere, but it opens the board for a wide variety.

>Make it Grass/Fairy
>Give it spikes,toxic spikes,twineedle,counter,heal bell,encore,teeter dance,quiver dance and some water moves by level

>Make it Grass/Fairy
>Give it spikes,toxic spikes,twineedle,counter,heal bell,encore,teeter dance,quiver dance and some water moves by level

Here's a decent buff for more than a handful of shitmons, Strong Jaw, Mega Launcher, Iron Fist etc now treat the moves they buff as if they have STAB on top of the increased damage

>>57910334
>How do we fix mixed attackers?
By not making them mixed attackers at all

Give early bird

>>57911416
Should get hustle

>>57910147 (OP)
Huge power wigglybuff

Raise HP and Defence
Remove Dry Skin
Make it either a Grass/Ghost or a Bug/Ghost type

>>57910417
I was actually thinking of adaptive damage moves in pokemon the other day.

>>57910147 (OP)
>>57910151
How busted would mega Seviper be

>>57910147 (OP)
Electrify

>>57910245
>>57910421
It's a jab at soilennials like (You) so I'm not surprised you don't get it.

>>57911416
>early bird
If only that was the jap name for the ability, it's such a good pun...

When it changes forms it also harshly boosts Special Attack

Just give it higher stats and better abilities bro

>>57910882
>Slaking
give it Klutz

>>57912086
?

>>57910743
>Yeah,there isn't much you can do for it
That's because it's not Ledian.

>>57912335

Change its ability to a new one that makes every move a critical hit. And let it learn more moves that fall under being blocked by Bulletproof.

>>57912322
It's normal form should have good speed

>>57910147 (OP)
literally just don't give Pokemon shit stats and moves just because it's found on route 1 or is the default old rod catch or whatever other game archetype

>>57910882
>Emergency Exit has -8 priority rather than instantly triggering
I would rather golisopod get intimidate or moxie as an hidden ability.

>>57912322
It's a shitmon with 70s across the stat board. There are mid evos with better stats.
Make it evolve, and give its evolution a new ability that not just transforms it but also sets the weather if you hold a respective item (either type's power-boosting item like Charcoal or weather duration-extending item like Damp Rock). Still shitmon, but a unique shitmon.

>>57913782
This

campaignGODS scoff at this thread.
there are no shitmons, only shit trainers

>>57913119
forget the critical hits, just give it calm mind so you're not relying on chance, but I do agree with giving it more beam and bullet type of moves

>>57913119
We can start fixing it by first giving it a good design

>>57910147 (OP)

>>57914854
Jealous rillafag hands typed this

>>57910147 (OP)

>>57910151
>bad
>post a pokemon that dominated competitive for years before baracat came along

>>57910147 (OP)
I turn her from a SFMA to a defensive mon by switching its base Attk with Def and Sp.Def with Sp.Attk.
Give snap trap.
And Voila, you get a defensive plant mon that traps and chokes the enemy over a couple of fewturn if they aren't strong enough to get out, nailing the theme of carnivine

>>57913828
If it would get a HA it would defo be Battle Armor

>>57911416
Sorry, but Leddit said that Archeops is unsalvageablerino.
You're not going to challenge the holy word of the armchair developers at r/Pokemon are you?

>>57910147 (OP)
give him Shell Smash

Many of the early bug pokemons would benefit from having a higer BST, just adapt the evolution levels accordingly.

And yes I know that many of them were made this way to "teach" the concept of evolution of new players, but I think in this day an age we can move past that.

give her Blaze Kick and add +10 points to base Speed. take away 5 points from base Defense and Special Defense if you absolutely have to keep her BST at 500

>>57916187
Would’ve been god-like in Gen 5(permanent rain) but now it would just be okay

>>57910147 (OP)

>>57910151
You're mentally ill

>>57910151
I'd buff Flareon before buffing Arcanine.

>>57915867
Were you in a fucking coma since generation 7 you fucking retard

Just make Aggron into a pseudo, the line already has every downside of being one without any of the benefits and Aggron's typing is just shit as is, a good boost to HP, ATK and SPDF would go a long way into giving the big lug an actual fucking niche, as it is right now he's not even good enough for PU, also give Aggron Follow Me, it's a massive wall of metal and muscle, it makes more sense for it to learn a shielding redirection move than Togekiss.
>>57912633
Electrify+Lightning Rod essentially means your opponent can't hit you unless they somehow outspeed Mega Sceptile.

>>57910147 (OP)
Came up with this idea a while back for shitty Mons who are suppose to be hot shit in-universe.
Take half-damage and Weaknesses cap at 2x if you only have attacking moves.

>>57910147 (OP)
Let it have the niche of being a premier Rock Head user. Take 20 stat points from special attack and put it into speed so it isn't too fast for trick room but too slow for everything else

Give
>Flare Blitz
>Brave Bird
>Wave Crash
>Wild Charge

New signature move:
Cretaceous Clash
Dragon type
120bp
100acc
1/4 recoil

>>57917906
Shit Freak would NEVER EVER allow a fossil Pokemon to have anything nice in this unsalvageably cucked franchise.

>>57917906
>STILL a rock type
into the trash it goes

>>57917926
Also applies to Tyranitar and Lycanroc.
I will not apologize for the blasphemy I uttered.

>>57911416
>>57917846
>>57917906
>expecting rock types to get buffed, ever
That'd be a nerf to Charizard and that's not okay

>>57911416
>TPCs golden calf
Time to commit the ultimate sacrilege by buffing Aurorus.
I feel devilish just thinking about it.

>>57917940
>TPCs golden calf
Time to commit the ultimate sacrilege by buffing Aurorus.
I feel devilish just thinking about it.

>>57917906
Why the fuck do we not have a biting Dragon or Rock move yet? It's the simplest concept ever and both types could desperately use some variety in their movepools.
>>57917940
I find myself in an odd position, a rock and a hard place if you will, I love fossils and a lot of Rock types, but I also adore Charizard. Granted Charizard is also languishing in PU or ZU (don't remember properly) in gen 9 because it's not a hyper min-maxxed broken mon with a busted ability.
If anything the issue has always been Stealth Rock, arguably the worst move ever designed in the series, up there with Knock Off and Scald.

>>57917906
Tyrantrum signature move should be a dragon type biting move

>>57910417
Yes!
HP is a cheap solution for EV investment to increase general bulk. A counterpart to that that also works almost as half each attack is brilliant. Think it would be too busted to give a super fast Pokemon or super glass cannon Pokemon that big of a boost in power? Imagine a Pokemon like Blaziken that doesn't need speed investment. Maybe it would tip some damsge calcs too much.

>>57910260
give it no guard.

>>57910334
stat boosting moves or abilities.

Blaziken is a slow frail mixed attacker but makes up for it with speed boost. likewise, serperior is a fast, bulky mixed attacker, give it wn ability that boosts its attack and now its good.

all you need is a way for them to quickly scale both offensive stats or speed and they can take advantage of it. Look iron valiant. Swords dance or nasty plot. guess wrong and your dead.

>>57918676
serp should get power whip, gunk shot and iron tail to better take advantage of coil.

>>57916187
give it lightning rod. Now it has an immunity and a damage boosting ability to match Hamurott.

>>57910360
give it merciless. what now shit goose.

>>57910743
double down. Snow warning. every weather except snow has a big kaiju mon. Make avalugg snow t-tar.

>>57917882
>heatmor
>big deal

what the fuck are you talking about. same generation had reshiram, emboar, suntails and darmanitan.

>>57917906
>Maul
>dragon type
>bite move
>90 power
>30% chance to flinch.

its that easy.

>>57918082
The smart thing to do would to be to never make the base power of the attacks too high. They should be effective against tanks that are very specialized in one defense stat or the other, but not so powerful that minmaxed mons would take them over the moves they already have access to. It's about creating a niche that minmaxers can't fill. Mixed attackers should be more reliable to make up for not being able to reach the same highs as specialized attackers.

I don't get why so few bug pokemon can learn leech life and the vast majority who do are special attackers anyway. Meanwhile drain punch can be learned by pretty much anyone.
Just make it a bit less powerful like drain punch is if you have to but give it to more physical bugs ffs. It's ironic how the bug type keeps getting shit on when pokemon started because Satoshi Tajiri when he was a kid liked to catch bugs and fantasized about training them and making them battle.

>>57918691
it's not even considered anything more than just an anteater that breathes fire in the pokedex
if it was a "big deal" then i'm pretty sure I would have seen it a 3 digit amount of times throughout my entire life

>Cherrim gets a 50% boost to all stats in the harsh sun, allies on the field still get the boost to attack and Sp. defense.
Or
>Flower Gift now automatically sets harsh sun.

>>57910417
It defeats the point of having a physical/special split. Plus it would just be weak against everything. I don't see what it would bring to the table honestly.

>>57910882
>it gains all the weaknesses
That's halving his defenses, it's harsh. Maybe give him a -1 in his defenses so it's only x0.75

>>57917906
I vastly prefer the design of Tyrantrum but being the rock head T-rex is Rampardos' thing come on

>>57919258
Anon, how many times do we have to tell you that Rampardos having Rock Head makes too much sense. Even ROM hacks abide by this rule because it's the gospel of TPC.

>>57919267
I didn't understand your post until I looked at Rampardos and saw he didn't have Rock Head. Fuck, I never played with it but it was so obvious to me he had Rock Head I couldn't imagine anything else.

>>57919279
It's because Game Freak likes to be "edgy" and "subversive" by not giving things to Pokemon that make 100% sense for them to have.

Notable examples:
Zamazenta not having Body Press in gen 8.
Aurorus not having Aurora Veil in gen 7.
Typhlosion not having Earth Power or Thunder/Thunderbolt.
Rampardos not having Rock Head.

Marketing and favoritism was a mistake. But hey, Incineroar is in desperate need for more shit added to its movepool though.

>>57919258
>rock head T-rex
> Rampardos
> T-rex
In other news, Pikachu is my favourite moose pokemon

>>57919335
look at all these mice!

>>57919335
yeah yeah whatever the dino with a funny head

>>57919267
>Even ROM hacks abide by this rule
wtf you're right.

>>57919353
Pro-tip:
When making a ROM hack, NEVER listen to the armchair dev of r/Pokemon. They're just going to say that [insert Pokemon] is unsalvageable and expect you to take that as gospel (meanwhile Ledian gets a literal overhaul).

>>57919222
It's a niche that it could fill. The premise is that a mixed attacker would have better consistency in their damage even if the opponent tries to switch to a different pokemon. Fewer pokemon would be able to safely switch in against them due to needing both defensive stats to do so. They will never do as much pure damage as a minmaxed pokemon but they would have a useful spot on the team.

>>57919368
i love calling mons unsalvageable but i would never never never never never never never never propose meaningful buffs
>ledian
in my hack i'm gonna give it truant/slow start/defeatist out of spite
and redistribute some of its speed to special defense to make it better in trick room

>>57910743
inverse tinted lens, while it's on the field no moves are super effective

>>57919258
>>57919342
It's a Pachycephalosaurus anon, if it was a less common or popular one like say, a Gallimimus, an Irritator or a Nigersaurus I'd understand.

>>57920059
>Nigersaurus

>>57912322
when it changes forms it should get an omniboost Including if it goes from Sun Form -> Rain Form if anyone tries pulling weather war shenanigans

>>57910291
>"Vikavolt flusters opponents with acrobatic flying maneuvers. This creates an opening for it to deliver an electric beam attack".

>>57919258
From all of the rock head users, Tyrantrum is the most realistic one to have this niche. Dragon types getting fire, electric, and sometimes water type coverage are a given while most other rock types get fuck all. It being a feathered bird relative makes it only one with a chance besides maybe Aerodactyl to get Brave Bird. The stars are aligned just right for it to be the swiss army knife for recoil moves and that's much better than trying to make the meme biting ability work. I'd be more worried about Rampardos actually getting rock head first over Tyrantrum getting more recoil moves

>>57920812
I feel like Flare Blitz makes sense on Tyrantrum, way more sense than Tyrantrum getting Close Combat for some bizarre reason.

A Grass type equivalent to Shift Gear, or add on a "Tinted Lens" effect to Long Reach

>>57914715
I have dealt with many pokemon in my teams but I assure you, some mons are paaaainful even in campaign. Tried using Lileep in Gaia and it was just unsalvageable. A lot of defensive mons that may be strong at endgame or comp just don't match up the same with campaign - I was able to train up Blissey and Audino better.

>>57916202
When Scarlet/Violet allows you to catch Flamigo, a *500*bst flying/fighting type on basically Route 2 of the game, any arguments for campaign balancing have already left - early game bugs should just get actual buffs.

I think one of the simplest changes that could make Decidueye go from painfully mediocre to at least usable if gimmicky was giving it Quick Draw as an ability, it makes sense.

>make immune to ICE
>make resistant to FIRE

Wow, now Ice type isn't a cancer tag on anything other than hyper fast sweepers.

>>57921053
>Tried using Lileep in Gaia and it was just unsalvageable
$10 says Gaia is dicksucked by Leddit for buffing weak Pokemon but did nothing for fossil Pokemon.

>>57921087
ice should be weak to ice and double weak to fire

>>57921087
Why is it every fucking faggot who's obsessed with Ice types makes the dumbest fucking suggestions possible for buffing the type?
Realistically speaking there's good merits to be made for Ice resisting Water, Flying, Ground and Electric, all of which have logical grounds as things related to the properties of ice and cold, or the bodyplan of polar animals, yet Icefags keep insisting Ice needs to be given the most arbitrary balancenigger, game design sense lacking, thematically nonsensical and utterly fucking moronic resistances possible to shit like Dark, Fairy, Psychic or even inverting Ice's weaknesses, which all make perfect sense as counters to it.
>>57921109
I don't think Gaia changes the stats of any Pokemon, it's as vanilla a hack as it gets, ironically enough it's not that popular with redditards.

>>57919636
>i love calling mons unsalvageable but i would never never never never never never never never propose meaningful buffs
Needs to be turned into a wojak.

>>57921122
>Why is it every fucking faggot who's obsessed with Ice types makes the dumbest fucking suggestions possible for buffing the type?
Because Pokefags make a big deal out of every damn thing there is and blow things out of proportion even if it's something mildly inconvenient at most.

Here's a suggestion: have Ice resist Fairy like it was originally supposed to in the gen 6 beta.

>>57921122
>t. retard who has never tried to blowtorch solid ice

>>57921122
>I'm too fucking stupid to understand thermodynamics
>durr, fire always win against ice
shut the fuck up

>>57921087
i honestly think it's fine if ice is supposed to be the glass cannon type and have zero resistances, but if that's what they want to do then it shouldn't have both fewer super effective and more resisted types than ground, like come the fuck on

>>57921121
>ice should be weak to ice and double weak to fire

>>57921109
Gaia's not even good for that actually, you have to wait at least 3 gyms for fossil reviving so the best you get is some extra moves. You just get gen4 starters and generic bad guy team instead of say, a fossil enthusiast plot.
>>57921122
Makes sense given Gaia is so vanilla it literally reuses Gen3 music except for like, a handful at most different battles. I swear they worked backwards with that hack, the very beginning is the worst part and by the end it's okay at best.
>>57921160
The other problem is they keep making
>>>>>defensive ice pokemon

>>57921172
I'm hoping the Gaia update that's been hyped up for ages actually delivers whenever the fuck it releases, I thought the game was painfully boring and lacking.

>>57910147 (OP)
How would you fix Seviper?

Once shaunberg the cowardly kike gets beaten up again and doesn't make it to the hospital in time, then seviper will be okay to like again.
Remember that shaunberg, the kike from tel-aviv, tried to pretend he had an """iphone""" at first, then a substandard (((prebuilt))) """desktop""", then a Samsung, and now some IBM (compatible) shitbox. Like all his kind, he'll never be able to get his story straight, just like he tried lying about being from (((Stern))) despite his IQ and SAT score being far too low for anything above a shithole like CAS. Any time he pretends to be an American, therefore, is an outright fabrication from some yidsraeli who can barely speak English. He even has to wait until this hour to use some shitbox without permission, after supposedly """buying""" (stealing) some useless machine to post from. One can't help but notice how it's always the kike shills and their hired shitskins who support him, or his filthy jew family that buys shitphones for him and lets him reset their routers, or his fellow jews who let him beg them for freebies.
He'll never be able to deny this because shaunberg, as a yid, has no spelling errors when typing in his native language, yiddish. Meanwhile, whenever he tries to type in English, so many typos abound. This alone is enough to out shaunstein as a filthy jew, who was kicked out of Nasser Yorat University and not New York as he tries to imply, and was rejected from the University of Tel-Aviv and not UTM. As a member of a (((tribe))) with a professional victim complex, shaunberg's only available instinct when punched by a single pajeet was to curl up and beg for mercy, then play the victim later, rather than fight back like a real man would.

>>57921217
WHYA RE YOU ETERNALLY MINDBROKEN. BY ME JENKEM SLLING NIGGER

YOU KNOW MY MAME ISNT SHAUNBERG AND IM NOT ISRAELI AND YOU SPAM YOUR NIGGER PASTA ON ALL OF MY POSTS AND REPLIES

STOP LYING ABOUT ME POST RACE

Why on earth would I """know""" an outright lie like that, when a dirty yidsraeli like shaunberg jabbers fluently in yiddish while struggling to type in English? It's very telling that only shartyniggers and shitcord troons try to pretend a dirty yid like shaunstein would ever be an American, with how shitty his English is compared to his yiddish.
Remember that shaunberg, the kike from tel-aviv, tried to pretend he had an """iphone""" at first, then a substandard (((prebuilt))) """desktop""", then a Samsung, and now some IBM (compatible) shitbox. Like all his kind, he'll never be able to get his story straight, just like he tried lying about being from (((Stern))) despite his IQ and SAT score being far too low for anything above a shithole like CAS. Any time he pretends to be an American, therefore, is an outright fabrication from some yidsraeli who can barely speak English. He even has to wait until this hour to use some shitbox without permission, after supposedly """buying""" (stealing) some useless machine to post from. One can't help but notice how it's always the kike shills and their hired shitskins who support him, or his filthy jew family that buys shitphones for him and lets him reset their routers, or his fellow jews who let him beg them for freebies.
He'll never be able to deny this because shaunberg, as a yid, has no spelling errors when typing in his native language, yiddish. Meanwhile, whenever he tries to type in English, so many typos abound. This alone is enough to out shaunstein as a filthy jew, who was kicked out of Nasser Yorat University and not New York as he tries to imply, and was rejected from the University of Tel-Aviv and not UTM. As a member of a (((tribe))) with a professional victim complex, shaunberg's only available instinct when punched by a single pajeet was to curl up and beg for mercy, then play the victim later, rather than fight back like a real man would.

>>57910151 dexit incin for a game
>>57910260 give speed boost
>>57910349 Don't forget boosting options on both sides. Iron Valiant is an incredible mixed attacker partly because of this. Maybe giving it another STAB to be even more unpredictable (which is also what makes IV great)
>>57910397 It'd still suck a lot. Maybe make it an omniboost? Potentially trapping the bug-move user? It's still incredibly obvious, but it'll dissuade random U-Turns even more.
>>57910743 It's actually C rank in Gen 8 OU. New moves don't really help it as it always wants Ice STAB, Body Press, Rapid Spin, and Recover. It's cliche, but maybe Regenerator? There's only one other regenerator hazard remover, Torn-T, and only that Mienshao and maybe Glowking can threaten a lot of things offensively. That could also clear up a moveslot away from Recover. Maybe Earthquake for Ghold (or Heat Crash if you wanna get silly)?

Give it anything to work with

>>57921126
there's already a 'jak template for this
just gotta find it and edit on some needed stuff for the unsalvageablejak

>>57910748 It really needs an evolution or it's mega back. Water Absorb kinda fits due to being a camel, but there's really no saving something with 70/70/75 bulk and 40 speed. Desolate Land is the only thing that would come close to saving it barring a major stat increase, since then it'd be pretty good in doubles trick room.
>>57910910 Nah, you gotta fully lean into Shell Smash. Give them wacky physical and special attacks so that they're unpredictable and the opponent just wasted their physical/special wall after incorrectly guessing after the boost.
>>57911229 Ground would work better since it's a desert mon. Agreed on QD
>>57911416 Make defeatist activate for only 1 attack per battle. It's already pretty decent in lower tiers.
>>57911833 That's an entire new evolution, bud.

>>57912322 Make it so that Forecast automatically sets up the weather (including a new sand form idc that it's a water molecule) of whatever rock its holding. That's obviously not enough, so lets make it last indefinitely like gen 3-5. If that's still not quite enough, then have it not be overridden by weather changing abilities.
>>57913119 Autocrit hydropumps are pretty nasty. I'm for it, but to balance it, increase it's attack a bunch and either lower it's speed to 100-110 or give it normal deoxys bulk.
>>57916187 Give Intimidate (in the pokedex) and Fake Out. It's now a slightly worse Incineroar, that is faster than it, doesn't care about Intimidate (cause it can special attack), and absolutely demolishes it. Now it's a pretty good anti-meta mon. Urshifu will need to be dexited.
>>57916204 Or (and) maybe a Sleep immunity version of Pastel Veil (it's counterpart's signature). It threatens most sleep inflicting mons since their grass, but total immunity for your partner even on switch in, is great.

>>57917846 Agreed. It'd be fun to get a psuedo that early in the game. Plus you can always dump a bunch into Special Attack for its mega if its too much.
>>57917882 Kinda busted, but if you delete Rest from all of them, then I think its fine
>>57917906 How about a new dragon biting move?
>Royal Levy
>90 bp
>10 pp
>100 acc
>Heals for 1/2
Now it's a set up sweeper that's really hard to wear down cause it just keeps undoing the damage you did to it. Like Comfey.
>>57917953 You could give this thing Ice Scales + Recover and it'd still be kinda shit. I hate the concept otherwise, but giving it Ice type Stealth Rocks (that stacks with regular ones) wouldn't even be broken on it and may give it a niche.
>>57919121 Even keeping it to just Attack and SpDef may be enough if it's setting up sun as well. I think you're forgetting that, while active, its teammate gets the same boosts that Cherrim does. It already saw niche usage with Groudon, but now it can do that with any teammate in any format.

>>57921053
>only male mons are either hardcoded to be male (starting eeveelutions in colosseum) or male only (nidoking)
Got something you wanna tell us?

>>57919258 Lower it's speed a bunch while giving more special attack. Then give it Speed Boost like a charging creature that never loses its momentum. It still retains the glass canon archetype this way.
>>57921030 Give Spirit Shackle the Pursuit effect (not the boost) and have it also trap Ghosts.
>>57921476 No Guard. It's barely faster than Breloom, so it wouldn't even be crazy as a sleep abuser. You'd probably also need to give it Mega Kick and Dynamic Punch.

>>57921126
your gem, sir

>>57921526
Every time i propose a buff to minmax a shitmon no one likes it even though only minmaxed pokemon are good in both VGC and smogon

>>57921463
>think you're bullshitting by saying that avalugg is "C rank in Gen 8 OU"
>check gen8 OU viability rankings (https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-viability-estimates.3735172/)
>it's actually there
WTF

>>57921536
pretty much any pokemon viable in OU or VGC has multiple of the following
>high BST
>good abilities
>good moves
>good stat distribution
>good typing
>and/or a combination of traits that synergize well
sadly most mons only have one or two of these

and god forbid you propose buffs to mons that'd make them better at anything they have potential at, give them more things they can do, or in some cases give them a niche in the first place, lest you get accused of "destroying their identity"
assuming the mon has an identity in the first place that isn't just "sucks at everything"

sure, a mon can theoretically do anything (move options permitting), but if it doesn't do anything well enough to be worth a teamslot, no one will seriously use it

>>57912094
bit defensive. Daddy issues?

Slow Start - For five turns or when its HP becomes half or less, the Pokémon's Attack and Speed stats are halved.

>>57917924
But dracovish was busted as fuck

>>57921172
>>>>>>defensive ice pokemon
i think they can work in just about two scenarios
one, they have an insane stat distribution and their type is a means to balance this out (good base defenses but only a single resist), or two, they're an aurora veil user

>>57921536
A minmaxed mon is irrelevant if it's not THE minmaxed mon. Filling a niche is better than being second place in roles that already exist.

>>57910260
No. Make it slower and give it an auto trick room ability.

>>57921511
Just change Aurorus's typing and adjust its stats so that its Attack stat isn't too high and Defensive stat isn't that low.

If Ledian can get literal overhauls in ROM hacks then Aurorus isn't unsalvageable like Reddit always says it is.

>>57921526
Thanks

I brought this up in another rework thread, and despite me hating suggesting any changes to the type chart due to the type of autism it invites, how much better would Rock be if it was neutral to Ground?
>>57917924
Aerodactyl was OU for several generations and it's one othe easiest fixes possible with how to make it good again, just give it Brave Bird or Head Smash, with how Gamefreak was willing to give Crobat BB despite it not being a bird, they have no excuse not giving it to Aero, now that I think about, why doesn't Archeops get Brave Bird? I mean, it would still probably not use it, but come on.

>bug/flying wall
I don't think even a defense equivalent of huge power would fix a design like this.

>>57922541
>why doesn't Archeops get Brave Bird? I
It also doesn't get Dragon Dance even though it looks like a wyvern arguably more so than Aerodactyl does.

>>57922700
I wished there was a simple way of fixing Vespiqueen, but Bug/Flying is such an awful typing for defensive Pokemon, realistically speaking the only ways of fixing it would be changing it's type or giving it a regional, which effectively accomplishes the same.
There's a few ideas they could play around with like Bug/Fire, Bug/Psyshic or Bug/Fairy that would make varying degrees of sense for a Vespiquen variant. I don't think a Mega would fix Vespiquen either, ironically enough making Pinsir Bug/Flying was a massive improvement to it, and Scyther is actually fairly decent as an offensive threat, but they are fast attackers, Vespiqueen is a fatass defensive mon.
>>57922834
Good point, albeit Gamefreak has pushed the narrative that Aerodactyl is draconic in nature since gen 1.

>>57922923
Aggron got its type fixed via mega
Vespiqueen could loose the Flying type + become an immobile hive fortress

>>57922700
>defense equivalent of huge power
fluffy/fur coat for defense, ice scales for special defense

>>57922941
Mega Aggron was great because Steel is an amazing typing, pure Bug isn't that great defensively, it would still have to deal with hazards, in fact it would actually become even weaker to all of them except Stealth Rocks, although I think an ability that gave it priority on all Bug moves or at the very least all the "Order" moves would be a really fun idea, an extremely bulky Bug gaining priority on healing, defensive boosts, Struggle Bug SPA lowering, Pounce speed lowering, Skitter Smack lowering attack and quite a bit more, the sheer utility that could offer by itself would singlehandedly improve Vespiquen performance and realistically it wouldn't be that broken.

>>57922974
have you tried burning the aegislash
also get hippowdon + excadrill

>>57916092
That would also be fine.

>>57922951
Genuinely forgot fluffy/fur coat exist. I guess fluffy is kind if its own thing since it also adds a fire weakness but it's weird they have kept the concept of furcoat exclusively to that kalos poodle.

They already buffed snow for ice types, yall need to run A Ninetails more.

>>57923549
Weather wars after gen 5? Nah I'm good.

>>57921765
There's no stat distribution that balances out the multipliers on the damage that any ice type will take. It's weak to so many common types that mono ice is legitimately the best option for a defensive ice type, while still being a shitty defensive type.

It needs a rebalance as it's been losing offensive relevance in recent generations. I think only normal typing might be in a worse spot.

>>57923549
They made Hail worse but also buffed ice types in it. It's strictly a worse sandstorm. Also, buffing ice type spdef doesn't fucking matter, ever.

>>57910743
A new ability
>Sub-Zero
>Fire type moves aimed at this pokemon fail
Given to both Avalugg forms, and also Regice too.

>>57921087
Ice should be super-effective against steel and resist it, it should resist ground too.

When Ancient Power is used on a fossilmon with Rock-typing it gains two hidden effects.
1.) It has 100 Power instead of 60
2.) It uses the stronger offensive stat

>>57917906
I got a lot of mileage out of DDance + Rock Head + Head Smash Tyrantrum back in the day, maybe just having DDance as a levelup move would be enough.

>Rock, Steel and Ice are weak to fighting as they are hard substances that can be broken with martial training
>Rock and Steel resist Normal, but Ice doesn't
make Ice resist Normal and it immediately becomes a much better defensive type without becoming broken

>>57925461
Normal does not need to be any weaker than it already is, if anything it could use a few buffs, Normal falling out of fashion made Ghost become a massive problem, Steel losing resistances to Dark and Ghost eventually also turned into a problem, because when almost nothing resists incredibly good offensive types, they tend to become broken, the last thing that should be done is bring down already underperforming types even more, a Normal resistance would also do nothing for Ice types, why are Icefags this fucking retarded?

Beedrill's mega is genuinely good but game freak's design choices are beyond logic so if it'll stay is basically a 50/50. Genuinely how could they buff them into being more then kanto's introduction to evolution?

>>57927721
It's weird how they gave Beedrill a super min-maxxed Mega, but Butterfree got nothing unless you count a Gigantamax, which I don't think anyone does, an extremely fast sleep spammer with Flying STAB sounds surprisingly really good, although oddly most people seem to really like the idea of a Bug/Psychic Butterfree that's pretty psychedelic.

>>57924780
Game Freak would consider that to be too OP while shitting out a Pokemon with optimized stats and movepool, with a busted ability and typing to go with it.
while giving Incineroar more moves

>>57927781
It getting confusion and psybeam has always given the impression it should be psychic but I like pokemon just sometimes having extended coverage of a specific type without being it. Bug/Flying is just a good candidate for bottom 3 typing in the game so it's hard to really create a niche for it, though I really don't think bug/psychic is that much of a buff either. I think getting prankster would be a pretty neat buff, it has a pretty solid pool of status moves that is not unlimited but still allows variety and is obviously offset by its abysmal staying power.

>>57924780
A while back I was experimenting with making my first Pokemon fangame, I gave Armaldo Water Bubble as an ability and that massively improved it, I think a reworked version of it that makes it be resistant or immune to Water moves instead of resisting Fire would be pretty great, although I can't imagine gamefreak ever designing such a complex ability for a non-shillmon these days.