The Pokémon Ecology book just released in Japan. Are there any scans of it online now?

>gets outdated once the next gen comes out

>>57918313
I just want to see all the artwork

>>57918313
how? new pokemon don't change the facts about old ones

>>57918011 (OP)
What the fuck is that one Dedenne doing to that Jolteon...........?

>>57918504

https://www.shogakukan.co.jp/pr/pokecology/

>>57918011 (OP)
I think it's not available as digital book purchase. we're cooked.

>>57918512
Nice ad.

Where can I read it online?

>>57918530
you can't, it's meant to be sold, you silly

>>57918011 (OP)
This kind of book is the stuff that is usually not scanned quickly even if it is pokemon we are talking about. At best you can hunt for twitter reactions until some chinese dude buys it and posts the whole book online in a stream or something.

This is how trade evolutions work in the wild

Ever since they released picrel, people should have realized this book will just be a compilation of known information, it will not have any new data.
So it will amount to a bunch of accurate fanarts.

>>57918011 (OP)
i want an english version so i can have a comfy time reading it while sipping tea
hope someone scans and uploads it soon

>>57918550

>>57918654
>deeper!

>>57918571
Garchomps flying will always be retarded. Just keep it as a desert shark that swims in sand, that's already cool.

>>57918662
This.

I could buy that it has a limited glide for when it jumps off a mountain or cliffside but it's clearly not designed to be able to fly.
When was it first established in canon to be able to do that? There's nothing in the way it's animated that would suggest it can fly either

interesting

>>57918662
It's part fighter jet

>>57918699

>>57918699
its scrapped shapedo evolution which was a torpedo

similar thing they did with remoraid/octillery/mantine, what's up with these military water pokemon

>>57918688
Since like halfway through the DP anime it was shown flying without even much as a take off point, just stationary gliding with someone in its back which I also never bought like wtf

Take that as "canon" if you want

>>57918688
Since day one and no one noticed until the animation had that bit with the jet

>Diamond When it folds up its body and extends its wings, it looks like a jet plane. It flies at sonic speed.
>Pearl It flies at speeds equal to a jet fighter plane. It never allows its prey to escape.

>Platinum It is said that when one runs at high speed, its wings create blades of wind that can fell nearby trees.
>HeartGoldSoulSilver Its body is covered in fine scales that reduce drag, enabling it to fly at high speeds.

literally first and for a while only lore it had, weird its not flying type or that to doesnt learn flying type moves

>>57918704
"War never changes"

>>57918704
>military water mons
Clawitzer also fits in this group (and maybe Blastoise with the Cannons...)

>>57918717
Pretty sure it learns Aerial Ace, fitting.

>>57918719
G-Slowbro
Arrokuda/Barraskewda/Cramorant
Inteleon

maybe because japan is a archipelago they're used to associate war with sea

>>57918704
I mean a lot of battle-esque planes are sharklike in shape so it kinda makes sense, also Qwilfish & navel mines

Shit even the animal that Dragapult's based on is an amphibian so it could've also been Water at some point in development

>>57918724
Forgot about those
Honestly Military Water mons is a nice albeit niche group.
We need more of those

>>57918715
At this stage, I'm convinced the "why do gerchermp fili" fags were sub-7 years old playing DPPt for the first time, thus unable or willing to read text boxes. I didn't watch the anime between dropping it mid-way through Johto and picking Alola up almost a year into its cycle yet played the games, read the pokédex entries and knew garchop was supposed to be able to fly. And that's ignoring the similarities its head has to the faces drawn on fighter jets in the past like the example Anon posted above (may still happen on the drones, for all I fucking know though).

>>57918723
The only move, which is based on a sword move, completely unrelated to flying and given based solely on the fact if a pokemon has sharp claws.

Even Diglett learns it because it has some cutting moves like scratch, slash or night slash that meant to hint secret claws

>>57918730
Yeah, a bit of a stretch honestly, it should learn more Flying stuff (Acrobatics would be funny)

>>57918725
That's a case of humans copying nature (not just sharks, the fastest aquatic creatures all evolved to have a similar torpedo-like bodyshape to cut through water with as little drag and resistance as possible). Human engineers adapted nature's learnings into their plane designs to allow them to do similar to the air.

>>57918731
It's proabaly a balance thing, it's the same reason Gyarados doesn't get Physical Flying type moves of a certain power and up, due to its 125 Attack stat.

>>57918731
there's a big niche in physical flying moves for pokemon that are not birds that aren't shit like fly/sky attack/bounce, why the hell do all of these take two turns? They should be more diverse.

Acrobatics is the only good one and it's a shama that Gyarados and Garchomp dont have it. There should be a hurricane based move but phyiscal like "Typhoon Strike" mabye.

>>57918011 (OP)
On the insanely off chance scans aren't available by next month I'll be heading to Japan and if I get a copy of the book I'm scanning it if there aren't easily available scans.

>>57918739
i'll suck your dick then

>>57918737
Maybe, of course Acrobatics would solidify the Fighter Jet connection for Garchomp specifically
>>57918738
Yeah, for the most part good phys flying moves are pretty rare/have weird distribution, we need more decent BP flying moves like Waterfall does

>>57918550
We already knew this from their entries. Nice to see it illustrated

at least they're not afraid to show us some murders

>>57918767
What is up with the Swinub line and getting ganged up on by Weavile?

https://x.com/PokeSuutamie/status/1935148035245490523
https://x.com/soulsilverart/status/1935155785895657669

some ecelebs are on it

>>57918801
typhlosion is not beating the allegations

I want to see fossil Pokemon.

>>57918699
>>57918703
i feel like a dumbfuck for never making this connection

>>57918724
Starmie - shuriken
Empoleon - trident
Samurott - sword
Keldeo - sword
Greninja - shuriken

>>57918550
>It's a can-opener beetle and a canned snail.
I'd never noticed that detail.

I only knew that there were beetles specialized in killing and eating snails inside their shell thanks to Junji Ito.

>>57918704
Implying that this is canon

>>57918769
It's a tasty pig, what did you expect?

I bet the Poke-Neanderthal also hunted those giant boars.

>>57918801
>Momowarou
WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT SAY

>>57918703
It all makes sense now, those things on the sides of its head are its jet engines.

>>57918011 (OP)
There's no digital version so you have to wait for someone to manually scan it

>>57919717
yes
no - it doesnt punch, it mostly bites
no - it never uses those fans to battle
yes
yes
yes
maybe - those bubbles deal damage
yes

>>57919875
Not taking this meme seriously, and just for fun, Feraligtr would be that exaggerated version of using a bear trap as a throwing weapon

>>57918952
Those are more "Weapon-like" rather than Military themed. Also a few are reaches like Starmie imo

>>57920016
no?

>>57920022
Bug Hug needs to be a move like yesterday.

>>57920016
What about Quilfish and its evo

>>57920022
rape

>>57918839
They move in herds

>>57918767
>Scyther
what did he mean by this?

>>57920716
hmmm, it seems that ai has issues with translating Japanese to English. maybe certain fandoms should take that into consideration when translating stolen non-canon scraped writing exercises from 20 years ago

>>57920820
Humans translated that correctly seether (because while AI is a cheat, if you use the right engine, it's a computer thus inherently unable to pick up context).
Mind, you'd have to be utterly retarded to not understand they've been seeding their work with lore akin to that "non-canon scrapped writing exercises from 20 years ago" including DISPLAYING the results of a human and pokémon fucking, the person who'd asked to find evidence of a village passing no remarks and otherwise being based on a story of a yokai marrying a human, as Pokémon are basically cartoony yokai, without having to be so trite and obscene by calling their series that. And all this while cocksnots seethe and fail to handle the fact they've been obsessed with a furry's franchise since the day the tellybox started showing age-appropriate programs after she'd grown too old for playschool. You lost, start handling it.

>>57920976
Pokémon with fake eyes? Barbaracle, Piloswine, and Appletun don't fit in.

Pokemon with hidden eyes? But Magneton and the Unova bird don't fit in.

>>57920972
Swablu got a whole page of trivia? Shillmon!

Does it address the ecological pressures that made H Sneasel turn into dark/ice Sneasel?

Only idea I have now is Meditite came to the region, competed and were a threat, and they decided, for whatever idiot logic they had, that a 4x weakness to fighting and a STAB option was better than just a 4x weakness to psychic.

Even better, Bronzor was already around so a dark STAB is better than a neutral fighting STAB.


it’s not perfect.

>>57920840
Pokemon were as far as I could tell, yokai/kami adjacent since the beginning if not by gen 2.
I am deeply disappointed that it’s popularity in the west is almost entirely from sanitizing that fact and marketing them as just animal-like creatures.

>>57920976
Wait, so the red dots on Kabuto not his real eyes?

>>57918011 (OP)
>>57918313
How does Seviper's digestion work? How quickly would he digest a human alive? How long would she stay alive? Which pokemon has the most efficient digestion? Did she become expmpoints?

>>57921118
He have black dot on his shell

>>57918713
At least the modern 3D games are accurate in that department

>>57920840
> Pokémon are basically cartoony yokai, without having to be so trite and obscene by calling their series that
And yet Yokai Watch creators were never trite and obscene enough to write pedophilloic rape slander against any of their monsters and if they were somehow dumb enough to to that and I didn’t know, that just means Yokai Watch fans aren’t trite and obscene enough to start a viral libel campaign against monster to get it canceled
Just saying

>>57921253
I thought the black dots were the fake eyes lol. what are the red dots then?

>>57921697
The yokai watch yokai are based on actual yokai stories, bro.

Here's an easy one for you... you understand what a kappa is, right? The turtle creature that steals your soul via your butthole? Ever heard of it? Guess how many creatures in yokai watch are based on the kappa? They don't need to write stories about rape when that already built into the franchise.

>>57921005
"where are their real eyes"

https://x.com/HiddenPowerPod/status/1935490258587578668

https://x.com/soulsilverart/status/1935488540860694650

https://x.com/pokesuutamie/status/1935443636629684696?s=46

>>57921764
https://x.com/soulsilverart/status/1935351843292594241

https://x.com/soulsilverart/status/1935351873487413376

>>57921707
The black dots are the fake eyes, anon

>>57921697
>has access to secret files of one company
>doesn’t have of others
>therefore only that company has secret files
You evolved beyond retardism

>>57921820
>both companies have secret files
>only Game Freak get leaked despite being rich enough have the best security in the world
Game freak evolved beyond retardism

>>57921824
"Best security in the world" doesn't do anything when employees use work emails for private use (GFHQ got breached, as some fuckwit used his work email to sign up for porn and likely his work password for his porn account, leading to Teraleak, due to horrific digital security). At that stage, it's being passed the alarm shut-off code AND the side door key to enter when you like. There's also the fact Pokémon is the biggest media franchise in the world while Yo-Kai Watch was a massive fad that fizzled out like Pokémon was supposed to, because of oversaturation and inability of the devs to develop games on a timeframe comparable to Pokenmon to actually compete. Meaning more sperg fuckers worldwide would try to breach Game Freak for the information they might be able to get, than try and break into whos, for a server of shit no-one really cares about.

>>57921118
>>57921253
>>57921707
>>57921816
I don't know how Kabuto works, but the real-life horseshoe crab has ten eyes, along with several photoreceptors on parts of its body that help it find a mate or a beach for spawning.

In theory, those eyes should be functional; that's how they know when to flee from dangers coming from above, like large birds.

SEX

>>57923849
Horse bug rape is canon

>>57921097
Gliscor has always been my assumption. Immune to poison, resists fighting, and both stabs are super effective. To escape, they had to go further into the highlands and into the snowfields, where Gliscor couldn't follow them. There they started working in packs to hunt the larger prey.
All headcanon of course.

>>57921097
Did you play L: A? J. Sneasel were dragged to Hisui by space-time distortions. The inference is the reintroduced (as regionals adapt from original stock in all but one case) Sneasel outcompeted the native bunch, leading to a decline in H. Seasel numbers until it was extinct in the wild, leading to J. Sneasel becoming the default wild population.

>>57923849
I need more of this power couple

>>57923849
>Scolipede engage in fierce territorial battles with Centiskorch. At the end of one of these battles, the victor makes a meal of the loser.

this is the most disgusting pokedex entry for me

>>57923849
I wish territorial and predatory behavior was something we got to see more of in the games. Maybe with the Switch 2 they could potentially realise something like this.
Even in battle it would be cool, like certain pokemon get stat buffs or decreases depending on if they're fighting their natural enemy.

>>57924887
You do realise every pokémon that aggros and attacks is showing "territorial" behaviours? You're in THEIR range hence why they all rush at you to attack. I wish you motherfuckers'd play the games, than sit screaming about what they don't do, because no cunt's sat down to tell you how they behave in-game now.

>>57918502
They will eventually release pokemon that interact with old pokemon in a way that contradicts information in this book

>>57925005
>this bug is enemy of this bug
>this bird eats this bug
no contradiction

>>57924887
in SM when Corsola cries for help a Mareanie spawns to attack it
in XYORAS Zangoose and Seviper battle each other in hoardes

>>57918729
>I'm convinced the "why do gerchermp fili" fags were sub-7 years old playing DPPt for the first time,
or they simply have eyes and see that the shitty design can’t feasibly fly

>>57918011 (OP)
That Pikachu is getting topped hard, Jolteon getting it too man

>>57925167
The one that's shaped like a fighter jet? With wing-like fins and critically, part of a magicval, near-earth world? Newsflash, you dumb motherfucker, NO pokémon could feasibly exist in the real world, they break the natural laws of the universe. And in the Pokémon world, a universe entirely separate form our real one, Garchomp can fly. Because a fucking caterpillar can embalm humans in fucking silk string, if they so desire in contrast to the tiny wee shitters in our world that are basically fine dining for birds.
The sooner you realise the Pokémon world is NOT ours nor does it abide by the rules it does, the better time you'll have enjoying it. Whole point of the series is to be a fantasy - that extends to landsharks that can fly, because all dragons fly, even those without proper wings (Fucking Fug).

>>57918011 (OP)
Do people commonly get eaten by pokemon like Cynthia did?

>>57925186
>The one that's shaped like a fighter jet?
except it isn't

>With wing-like fins
except its fins are way too short to be wing-like

>part of a magicval, near-earth world?
every gen 1-3 pokemon that can fly actually has the appearance that it can feasibly fly

your nugen digimon is dogshit

>>57925235
>every gen 1-3 pokemon that can fly actually has the appearance that it can feasibly fly
retard

>>57925235
Is your seeing broke? Profile's fighter jet shaped (and as noted in-thread, is an extrapolation of a human idea>>57918699 >>57918703).

>>57925256
>posts a pokemon that is explicitly said to be terrible at flying
good job proving my point, dumbfuck

>>57925300
>Is your seeing broke?
Is yours? It looks nothing like a fighter jet because the designers were retarded and made its fins way too short.

>it looks nothing like a fighter jet because i'm a retarded realwerld faggot, insenced they made something as illogical as a flying shark
Cool, so your seeing's broke AND you're a retarded little shitbag, cool. Pokémon's not yours. Hence why it doesn't give a shit what you think it should be, tardie.

>>57925313
>posts a pokemon that is explicitly said to be terrible at flying
Gen 1 entries
>Uses its three brains to execute complex plans. While two heads sleep, one head stays awake.
>One of DODUO’s 2 heads splits to form a unique species. It runs close to 40 MPH in prairies.
Gen 2 entries
>It collects data and plans three times as wisely, but it may think too much and become immobilized.
>If one of the heads gets to eat, the others will be satisfied, too, and they will stop squabbling.
>An enemy that takes its eyes off any of the three heads--even for a second--will get pecked severely.
Gen 3 entries
>Watch out if DODRIO’s three heads are looking in three separate directions. It’s a sure sign that it is on its guard. Don’t go near this POKéMON if it’s being wary - it may decide to peck you.
>Apparently, the heads aren’t the only parts of the body that DODRIO has three of. It has three sets of hearts and lungs as well, so it is capable of running long distances without rest.
>An odd species that is rarely found. The three heads respectively represent joy, sadness, and anger.
>Uses its three brains to execute complex plans. While two heads sleep, one head is said to stay awake.
>A peculiar POKéMON species with three heads. It vigorously races across grassy plains even in arid seasons with little rainfall.
Weird, not a SINGLE mention of it being a poor flier. Fucking retard.

>>57925313
>ignores Dodrio could learn "Fly" from its debut Gen
>"every gen 1-3 pokemon that can fly actually has the appearance that it can feasibly fly"
What is your point? You're a retarded little shitbag, mad online?

>>57925341
>A bird that makes up for its poor flying with its fast foot speed. Leaves giant footprints.
>Its short wings make flying difficult
>>57925352
>ignores that the game explicitly says it's shit at flying

>>57920972
Clawitzer makes no sense to me. Where the fuck is the water coming from? Certainly not the huge ass cannon on its arm.

>>57924887
Other than >>57925112
there is also Carbink and Sableye

>>57923849
>Centiskorch: gib donut

>CHADchomp mindbreaking schizos like her owner also does
Truly the greatest power couple in the entire franchise

>>57925435
>>A bird that makes up for its poor flying with its fast foot speed. Leaves giant footprints.
>>Its short wings make flying difficult
Sure would love to know where this was written, because its sure as shit not from any of the mainline Gen 1-3 games' dex entries.

>>57925482
cringe

>>57925503
6I was confused, too, but looking it up and that's from Doduo pokedex entry.

>>57925521
Thank you. That said,
>>57925435
>Using info from the prevo to justify headcanon on the evo
Not how it works, especially since shit like the Pokemon's physical ability getting better when it evolves is implicitly implied across the entire series. Find actual proof of DODRIO itself being a poor flier.

>>57925532
>Not how it works
Yes how it works.

>especially since shit like the Pokemon's physical ability getting better when it evolves is implicitly implied across the entire series
No it isn't. Dodrio's pokedex entry even says it can't run as fast as Doduo. For you know it could be even WORSE at flying than Doduo.

>>57925532
NTA but this is a really dumb post anon, It's never been implied that Pokémon get better at literally everything when they evolve, just the aspects clearly emphasized during the evolution, which in this case would be its running capabilities. Nothing about Dodrio's design implies that it is a better flyer than Doduo.
But it seems you're determined to die on this hill so I doubt anything will convince you at this point.

>>57925537
>Yes how it works.
No, not really. If it's not mentioned for Dodrio then you can't attribute that trait to it. Despite being an evolution, its still a different species at the end of the day, with its own traits.
> Dodrio's pokedex entry even says it can't run as fast as Doduo
This isn't mentioned until Gen 9, damn near 20 years removed from the set of games that are the topic of discussion, but even in THIS context you're still wrong because that same dex entry states that its stamina drastically increased despite that. Try again.
>>57925551
>It's never been implied that Pokémon get better at literally everything when they evolve, just the aspects clearly emphasized during the evolution, which in this case would be its running capabilities
I never implied that they get better at literally everything, it's why I specified "physical ability". There are obvious outlier to that too, obviously, but not enough to act like it's not a general rule of evolution. Acting like the dex just doesn't need to state something for it to be true despite there not even being IMPLICIT evidence that it is doesn't work in this context, especially since they do still emphasize when a Pokemon keeps a poor trait from its prevos (Archeops) AND when it's not good at it despite other strong physical traits (G-Zapdos) specifically in regards to flight.

what weapons do primarina and quaquaval represent?

>>57925565
>No, not really. If it's not mentioned for Dodrio then you can't attribute that trait to it. Despite being an evolution, its still a different species at the end of the day, with its own traits.
Yes, yes really. If it's not mentioned for Dodrio I can assume it's the same as Doduo because mentioning it again would be redundant.

>TH-TH-THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!
kek

>>57925565
>I never implied that they get better at literally everything, it's why I specified "physical ability"
I really don't agree with this statement. It is implied that they get better at the abilities the design and lore of the evolution puts emphasis on.
I so no reason to think Dodrio is a better flyer than Doduo, for the same reason I see no reason to think it is better at climbing, digging or swimming than Dodrio. Thus are not abilities the evolution puts emphasis on.

>>57925565
>I never implied that they get better at literally everything, it's why I specified "physical ability"
I really don't agree with this statement. It is implied that they get better at the abilities the design and lore of the evolution puts emphasis on.
I so no reason to think Dodrio is a better flyer than Doduo, for the same reason I see no reason to think it is better at climbing, digging or swimming than Doduo. These are not abilities the evolution puts emphasis on.

>>57920080
>>57918952
Genuinely I don't see the Starmie/Shuriken connection other than both being Star-Shaped.
It would be one thing if Starmie learned Cutting/Sword moves...

>>57925593
>If it's not mentioned for Dodrio I can assume it's the same as Doduo because mentioning it again would be redundant.
They didn't care about redundancy when writing Raichu's dex entries (both it and Pikachu's mention the electricity stored in the cheeks). They didn't care about redundancy with Tentacool and Tentacruel's entries (both emphasize their toxic tentacles, DESPITE Tentacruel's tentacle length and number being an entirely new focal point for the design). Why is redundancy now suddenly a problem here? Were they conscious of this Pokemon being accused of lazy dex writing specifically for some reason? Why didn't they think that the prevo expressing a trait was enough to just have the players assume the evos did here, huh?
>>57925601
>I so no reason to think Dodrio is a better flyer than Doduo, for the same reason I see no reason to think it is better at climbing, digging or swimming than Doduo. These are not abilities the evolution puts emphasis on.
That's ridiculous given more stamina and stronger legs, which I'm sure you can agree it undeniably gets upon evolving, literally, directly correlate to being better at all of those things. Why wouldn't it at LEAST be better at climbing with bigger, stronger, wider talons and more beaks to use to anchor itself when scaling a cliff? Why, exactly, would it not be better at swimming with stronger limbs to paddle with? Am I just supposed to assume that general build improvements on an animal only serve exactly one purpose despite the parts involved in said improvements being directly needs for other basic functions? Why?

>>57925435
Doduo is not Dodrio, you retarded little monkey.
>>57925503
It's Gen 1's Doduo entry, because we're dealing with a retarded little shitbag monkey, who must be disingenuous and misrepresent the canon to win an internet argument.

>>57925613
It's more so the spinning motion than the actual cutting. A flying spinning star is pretty close to a shuriken.
That said I doubt there is any deeper meaning behind it, aside from attacking like a shuriken being the most obvious way for it to attack physically.

>>57925622
Really weird take. Most primates get longer limbs as they mature but still suck at swimming.
Similarly long legs and increased body weight are not good for climbing. I have no idea where in your mind the idea that being bigger and stronger suddenly makes you better at everything, especially things your body isn't designed to be doing.

>>57925580
Lust. All is fair in love and war.

Oh man I wonder what interesting things anons are talking about from the boo-

>shows Garchomp flying

Oh man, I wonder will Anon realise the book's based off pokédex entries
>autistics whining about canon pokédex entries being reprinted in one book

>>57925630
I mean yeah I guess, it does learn Rapid Spin/Gyro ball but that's not shuriken like enough to me honestly...

>>57925622
>Were they conscious of this Pokemon being accused of lazy dex writing specifically for some reason?
No, there's just no reason to mention that it can't fly again when there are new facts to write about.

>>57925624
>Doduo is not Dodrio,
Dodrio evolves from Doduo and thus will share its abilities, dumbassio.

>>57925638
>Most primates get longer limbs as they mature but still suck at swimming.
Yet most birds that can swim (whether its a primary function of how they eat/live or not) get better at doing so as their bodies develop, their legs get stronger, their down grows out, etc. Your point?
>Similarly long legs and increased body weight are not good for climbing
Good thing I never mentioned either its leg length or body weight and instead brought up its stamina, strength, and limb count?

>>57925650
Yeah, I'd say that I think it was probably designed to attack like a shuriken, whether it was a conscious choice or merely how a Japanese designer subconsciously thought a star-shaped monster should attack doesn't really matter to me.
I definitely don't think there is any deep meaning tying water intrinsically to warfare that should be deciphered, though.

>>57925651
So it's not actually the same thing, thank you. Your retarded little headcanons are not applicable as a result so.

>>57925653
>Yet most birds that can swim (whether its a primary function of how they eat/live or not) get better at doing so as their bodies develop, their legs get stronger, their down grows out, etc. Your point?
Yes? Those are examples of them developing (or for a Pokémon equivalent; evolving) traits that specifically makes them better swimmers. That's the entire point. The birds with the strongest legs are not the ones that are the best at swimming.
>Good thing I never mentioned either its leg length or body weight and instead brought up its stamina, strength, and limb count?
I mean sure there are design elements that could point in favor of Dodrio being a better climber, just like there are points that point against it. I'm sure there is a discussion one could have here when looking at the design holistically, unlike with its flying capabilities, where nothing at all points towards it being a better flyer.

>>57925665
>I definitely don't think there is any deep meaning tying water intrinsically to warfare that should be deciphered, though
Agreed, sure there are some Water mons with Military or weaponry themes but not all water types follow that design choice
Now, Physical Starmie with cutting moves regional/convergent form would be kinda neat tho...

Translations doko

>>57925651
>there's just no reason to mention that it can't fly again when there are new facts to write about.
This is specifically why I mentioned Tentacruel's dex entry also bringing up its 80 tentacles. THAT'S ew info to convey, yet they still bring up its tentacles' toxins in multiple entries across the first 3 gens. Why did they feel the need to do THAT, specifically, but not mention that Dodrio is still shit at flying?
>>57925684
>The birds with the strongest legs are not the ones that are the best at swimming.
Yes, but birds with strong legs that CAN swim still get better at doing so as they age. Ostriches can swim, but they're FAR worse at doing it when they're chicks compared to when they're adults.
>unlike with its flying capabilities, where nothing at all points towards it being a better flyer.
Give we literally see both it ad Doduo Fly by running in the air in Stadium, the stronger legs do point towards it flying better
>inb4 "that was just an abstraction and now how it actually flies"

>>57925719
>Ostriches can swim, but they're FAR worse at doing it when they're chicks compared to when they're adults.
Ostriches cannot swim anon. Where are you getting your misinformation from?
>Give we literally see both it and Doduo Fly by running in the air in Stadium, the stronger legs do point towards it flying better
And why would you not assume that to be the stock animation? Is your stance that the Doduo line literally walks on clouds to fly now?

>140 replies
>the majority of them is an argument over garchomp and dodrio flying

>>57925753
>autistics prove they didn't read any of the source material
>shit up the thread crying because they didn't read the source material once in their miserable lives, till TPC sold them a book about it

>>57925745
>Where are you getting your misinformation from?
The Cincinnati Zoo
https://x.com/CincinnatiZoo/status/1694085967349485758?lang=en
The Daily Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233282/Do-ostriches-swim-They--rare-glimpse-giant-birds-taking-leisurely-dip-Atlantic-Yzerfontein-South-Africa.html
This random animal blog I found
https://birdfact.com/articles/can-ostriches-swim
An animal not needing to swim for its regular lifestyle doesn't mean it can't. You brought up primates before-humans are the literal textbook example of this.
>And why would you not assume that to be the stock animation?
Because Pokemon don't run up to each other to attack in Stadium 1 or 2, meaning they literally needed to animate a loop of it running specifically for use in Fly and nothing else.
> Is your stance that the Doduo line literally walks on clouds to fly now?
For one, I never commented on how I thought they flew before now, and two, in a universe where overgrown rats can summon thunderbolts, turtles can shoot pressurized water, starfish can use psychokinesis, and creatures can literally melt themselves down or shrink, why is this so unbelievable?

>>57919717
>venusaurs extinct animal is a dinosaur that was named after red/blue came out
Patternfags lmao

>>57925719
>but not mention that Dodrio is still shit at flying?
Because it's evident from the Pokemon's design. Remember when Pokemon designs actually used to communicate the Pokemon's abilities, unlike Shitchomp?

>>57925799
And a pokémon is more than its design, it's a combination of design, role and, critically, assigned moves. And they decided they should give an ostrich Fly as a move, while withholding it from a sea serpent, despite IT being able to fly also, due to balance issues (a 90BP physical move running off a 125 physical attack stat from Day One of the series).
Designs don't be fuck-all in a bubble, because they're not designed solely for their looks (else this would be a gatcha PNG thing with NO RPG-like elements, because there wouldbe no need to battle to acquire things, just pull the lever to spin).

>>57925773
The first clip is literally of ostriches wading, not swimming. Did you even watch it? The second link details ostriches lost at sea being escorted back by fishermen. Showcasing that they are lousy swimmers as their legs are not made for paddling. The third link only links back to the other two articles. I'm still not sure where the data pointing to them getting better with age comes from; the random blog you pointed to stated that they could be able to do it at juveniles in fact. But the truth is that this isn't something ostriches tend to do, and thus there is very little data on it.
>For one, I never commented on how I thought they flew before now,
Because that doesn't really support your original stance, which was that Dodrio is a great flyer despite the design not really supporting it, like Garchomp. If the argument is rather that it would be a great cloud runner(assuming that's a capability it has) then its design does support such feats.

>>57925840
>The first clip is literally of ostriches wading, not swimming. Did you even watch it?
I did, but it wasn't the video I was pointing to, it was the caption.
> The second link details ostriches lost at sea being escorted back by fishermen. Showcasing that they are lousy swimmers as their legs are not made for paddling
Why are you acting like I ever argued that they're super exceptional swimmer when this part of my argument only ever hinged on them being able to do so and getting better at doing so when they got older? Also, there's nothing in that article that said they were struggling to stay afloat, just that the fisherman who crossed their patch escorted them back-you're making an assumption based on contents not actually present.
> I'm still not sure where the data pointing to them getting better with age comes from
It comes form the fact that baby ostriches are not only not built for swimming like their older counterparts, but also lack the developed feathers and length strength to match their seniors. I'm not saying they go from shit simmers to olympic gold medalists, just that its inevitable that they'd get better at doing it as their physical features develop.
https://www.oaklandzoo.org/animals/emu
>the random blog you pointed to stated that they could be able to do it at juveniles in fact
I, once again, never stated that they wouldn't be able to swim as chicks.
>Because that doesn't really support your original stance, which was that Dodrio is a great flyer despite the design not really supporting it
I never ONCE said that Dodrio was a great flier. I only argued that it was a Pokemon that could fly with no notable traits that'd lend it to it. The other guy tried to rebuke by saying "durrr actually its prevo can't fly well, no I can't find any evidence it itself is bad at it just believe me okay", which is how we ended up here.

>>57925920
>>57925840
Shit, ignore that article. I was GOING to make a point on emus and cassowaries also being competent swimmers despite never needing to actually enter water, but the point felt redundant and ran up against the word limit so I scrapped

>>57925704
Starmie needs to learn Water Shuriken, It fits so well.

>>57925920
You specifically brought up ostriches becoming better swimmers as they age simply because they get stronger and bigger with age, yet there is no data supporting this.
>I never ONCE said that Dodrio was a great flier.
That has been your stance, though. That, unless Dodrio is explicitly stated to be a bad flyer it should implicitly be assumed to be good at it. If that isn't the case I have no idea what point you're even trying to get across, if you're not arguing that it is good at flying, nor really arguing that it can fly at all, but merely running really fast through the air, which the design could support if it was true.

>>57925947
Yeah, weird how Accelgor got the move but the literal Water type Star Shaped mon didn't (nothing against Accelgor tho)

>>57925954
>You specifically brought up ostriches becoming better swimmers as they age simply because they get stronger and bigger with age, yet there is no data supporting this.
Yes, because this loops back to my original point that the traits that involve the act developing with age (or evolution), naturally leading to the actual act becoming easier. This logic tracks near universally
If you genuinely want me to just swear off the ostrich point entirely and go back to something you referenced, however-do you REALLY expect the average human child to be able to swim as well as the average human adult? Keep in mind-we evolved for tree climbing "first", and then got led into tool use primarily because of the massive advantage it grants.
>That, unless Dodrio is explicitly stated to be a bad flyer it should implicitly be assumed to be good at it.
If you meant to say "your point is that Dodrio can fly competently because it's not stated to be unable to" then you're right. Using "great" makes me think that you took my argument as it being some sort of ace flier.

>>57925954
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/nway1f/ostrich_gets_stuck_and_this_happens/
here's a video showing ostriches stucked while swimming

>>57920022
Can't learn fly btw

>>57925974
>This logic tracks near universally
See this isn’t really true at all. Being bigger and heavier is detrimental to tons of this, like climbing and namely flying.
We can let the point about swimming go, sure. But actually learning to swim is the deciding factor if a human drowns or not, a mere 5 year old can learn to swim but an adult no matter how physically capable will drown if they don’t know how to swim.

Again, the thing with stuff like climbing and flying is that size and weight are detrimental. It’s not that just getting bigger and stronger makes you better at it. The opposite is true. The lighter you are the easier you can lift yourself off of the ground.
> Using "great" makes me think that you took my argument as it being some sort of ace flier
To some degree I did even if I am not the original anon you discussed with, since you brought it up in relation to Garchomp which is stated to be an ace flyer (which is stupid and the root of the arguement). If you merely want to state that Didrik is able to fly to some degree then I don’t disagree with you, but then I don’t really see how Dodrio is a defense against Garchomp.

Honestly the whole "Garchomp flying is retarded" argument is true but because it CAN'T fly in game (doesn't learn Fly/other flying type moves besides Aerial Ace which is a Sword move)
The opposite is true for Dodrio.
It's just a case of "GF is not consistent with itself"

>>57926020
>Being bigger and heavier is detrimental to tons of this, like climbing and namely flying.
Being bigger and heavier is a natural consequence of the necessary body parts used to engage in these actions whether we're talking about aging or even working out to specifically train. This is why I never specifically brought it up-of course it is getting bigger and heavier, but the limbs it uses to engage in the activities discussed are developing and its body is becoming more acclimatized to the activities as a consequence. Even just someone who only trains their leg muscles because they only want to run and nothing more will become bigger and heavier because of it-it is simply a consequence of development in a living being.
> The lighter you are the easier you can lift yourself off of the ground.
This only really works in the cases where the size development ended up not coinciding with wing and bone development. The Albatross is fucking massive-FAR bigger than Dodrio-but it can still fly incredibly well because it evolved its size in conjunction with its flight. This is the point of my argument-Doduo being a poor flier has no bearing on Dodrio because not only is it not mentioned as a trait Dodrio still has despite redundancies existing in other early gen dex entries (see: Raichu and Tentacruel) and a lack of flight capability ALSO being reiterated from the prevo when they feel its important to the mon (see: Archeops), and not only is Doduo literally "less evolved", but it can simply be that its juvenile body isn't accustomed to any form of flight, which is why it develops (evolves) into Dodrio in the first place.
>since you brought it up in relation to Garchomp which is stated to be an ace flyer
I brought it up in relation to the argument that the early gens didn't give flight to mons that didn't look like they'd facilitate it specifically. If anything I agree that Garchomp zooming around a top speed looks kinda stupid, but that's not really what I'm arguing.

>>57925968
Accelgore is a ninja. Ninjas use shuriken. Not fucking rocket science, especially when they treat Starmie as just a starfish pokémon.

>>57926055
>Even just someone who only trains their leg muscles because they only want to run and nothing more will become bigger and heavier because of it-it is simply a consequence of development in a living being.
Exactly, and that doesn't come without cost. As many animals grow larger they get worse at things like climbing, because it is not what they are designed to do as they grow into adulthood. If flying isn't an integral part of the animal's locomotion it would likely get worse as it grows into adulthood, not better.
>but it can simply be that its juvenile body isn't accustomed to any form of flight, which is why it develops (evolves) into Dodrio in the first place.
I do not understand your stance at this point. For a long time you have been arguing that it would implicitly get better at flying like any other physical ability just because it gets stronger, yet now you state that its body does in fact have to adapt for flight to gain better flight capabilities. My question then is how is this reflected in the design? To me Dodrio doubles down on the aspects Doduo already excels at, namely sprinting and pecking. Nothing about it signals better flight capability.
An Albatross on the other hand has an enormous wingspan, it doesn't just get proportionally bigger with age, it wings gets fuck-huge.
>I brought it up in relation to the argument that the early gens didn't give flight to mons that didn't look like they'd facilitate it specifically.
Honestly at this point I don't really have anything else to say than repeat that "Doduo is stated to be a bad flyer and the logical conclusion given its basis, design, and prior evolution is that Dodrio is too, and thus not really comparable to Garchomp". This will probably be my last reply since I'm not really feeling like we're getting anywhere and only arguing in circles.

>>57926043
So a snake flying in mid-air is acceptable, but a jet-like pokémon isn't? Even though both are dragons? Never mind other non-flying dragons and noodle dragons also fly? Sounds like a cover of Nirvana to me, "smells like teen hypocrisy".

>>57926096
>but a jet-like pokémon isn't?
Where's the jet engine or biological equivalent?

>>57926090
Yeah I know that, but c'mon
>Water type Star fish mon known for spinning really fast
>can't learn Water Shuriken
It's GF not using obvious yet sound decisions
>>57926096
I didnt said that Garchomp doesnt have jet fighter motif.
The problem is that the dex says that "it can fly" but the game does nothing to justify that (happens to Gyarados and mons like Vikavolt)
Again, it's GF not being consistent

>>57926119
I thought people usually put Gyarados in the other camp, the "Is Flying type but has no dex entries to back the typing up", not the "Is stated to fly in the dex but isn't Flying nor has Flying moves"

>>57926138
To be fair Gyarados fits both
>as of Gen 7 it only learns 2 flying moves: Hurricane and Bounce
>Flying type despite being in the Dragon egg group
Sure, it's not Dragon type due to Gen 1 design philosophy and all that but really they could retcon that by making the Mega Water/Dragon instead of Water/Dark

https://x.com/HiddenPowerPod/status/1936138240001814937

>>57918767
>scyther
>where-o
Kek

Damn what a shitty retarded thread

Fuck Dexit. The Paradox Pokémon got bogus dex entries in SV and will likely never appear in any other regional dexes so we're stuck with these.
We literally know nothing about them or their ecology, hell not even the justification for half of their types.
UBs on the other hand got fleshed out and we even got glimpses of all of their native worlds in USUM.

>>57926171
Same energy.

>>57926171
>>57926225
A large part of Hippowdon being empty inside, and litres of sand constantly pouring in and out of it, taking the place of flesh and muscles fills me with a horrible dread.

>>57926119
>the game does nothing to justify that
Except put it flying among the mountain ranges in Paldea, yes. I might add, the games have always been a mere abstraction of the actual universe and the pokédex the absolute cannon f that world. Meanning Game Freak don't need to give a pokémon a move that provides invulnerability AND hits like a fucking truck off a 130 Attk stat. Just like they didn't give a fucking gulper eel with feathers the same, due it ITS 125 Attk stat.

>>57926248
Anon, Fly is a bad, at best mediocre, move, Garchomp wouldn't run it even if it had access to it.

>>57926248
Still doesn't learn fly (which is my main gripe, not that it would use it like >>57926257 mentioned) it's not a "oh it makes no sense" complaint but rather the fact it only makes senses when GF remembers that it can in fact fly
I'm not asking for realism (because by that metric everything in Pokémon is bad because it's unrealistic) but rather cohesion:
>Garchomp can fly at super sonic speed
Cool, bet it can learn fly, right?
>Vikavolt can fly at high speed
Coop, bet it has a decent-ish speed stat, right?
>wrong again
The fact that certain mons can learn out-of-type-moves adds flavor to the game (like the Dugtrio line learning Claw/cutting related moves or Lucario, the Aura mon, being able to learn all sorts of Aura/Pulse related moves)

>>57926257
Anon, the presentation of the games are different to the presentation of the universe. Gyarados can fly without Fly: The Move. I don't know why it's so incomprehensible Garchomp can too without knowing the move.
Taiji out-autisitcs faggot retards you. That's why he don't let Garchomp get Fly, but allows its lore to state it flies. Thanks for playing, you lose. If that's too much to handle, fuck off and make your own pogeymans rip-off with a landshark that doesn't fly.

>>57926301
But then there's the opposite where it makes no sense (both from a logical and a thematic standpoint) like Wooper learning Fist moves despite not having fists

>>57926301
I don't give a fuck, your gripe's nothing more than an autistic little retard sperging out because the kiddy IP they were clearly obsessed with from the age of 7 doesn't give a shiot for her autistic little headcanon on its presentation. You don't get to pick and choose, it's what it is. Crying like a fcuking child who go told "NO" for the first time's no0t going to chane MY opinion on the thing. Garchomp flies, that's cool with me and furthers the "fighter jet" theme they went for.

>>57926302
Anon, I'm saying that
>Meanning Game Freak don't need to give a pokémon a move that provides invulnerability AND hits like a fucking truck off a 130 Attk stat.
Is fucking stupid since it makes it sound like you think Fly is some super broken move and believing the two-turn element of it is a boon and not the downside it very clearly is.
It makes me believe you haven't actually played the games past childhood.

>>57926311
No need to be so negative dude, I can accept that Garchomp flies (hell the Fighter Jet connection is nice and kinda genius) but would it be so difficult to give Fly to Garchomp just for flavor? (A lot of mons have similar cases)
I just find that weird...

>>57926316
When there was only 493 it was. And absolutely when a flying type with a comparable attack stat to @Chompy was forbidden to get it.
Don't make a fuck of difference now. Did back the
>the enemy Garchomp flew up high
Would've made kiddies shit their daks harder than "Dragon Rush", when Cynthia was already abitch for babies to beat.

>>57926323
Again, would it be so hard to just accept the games are not supposed to be an exact replica of the universe, but a concession made to the medium? I mean, Garchomp flies without needing a move and outside the games, is shown to use its flight capabilities when needed, meaning it's not pulling the theory out the arse to assume it would hunt akin to raptors, with a dose of jet warfare mixed in.
But again, autistic cunts NEED the world to match their assumptions, can't adjust their mindset to accept reality.

>>57926326
You are absolutely retarded. Most Flying types avoid using Fly like the plague because it's a god awful move. Take something like Dragonite and Salamence, which would actually get STAB off of it, still avoid it.
Using two turns to deal 90BP(70 earlier) is awful damage per turn and it gives your opponent the ability to switch since you're locked in.
Garchom back then was just the "Press Outrage to Win" Pokémon, maybe add an EQ now and then.

>>57926340
Dunno man I just feel that giving it Fly (despite being "useless" as a move) would solidify the Fighter Jet connection instead of being some "obscure trivia fact" about chomp
>Garchomp can Fly like a Jet Fighter
>"uh? Wait it can fly?!"
>*Checks chomp's learnset*
>it actually learns Fly
>"neat"
We can agree to disagree.

>>57926352
>missing the point
And when they were created, they were excluded from it all the same. Can bitch your little tits off at me sweetheart, still ain't gonna change the reality of the situation - a pokémon does not need a specific thing to be counted as able to do something (otherwise no dragons'd get a fire move, despite "fire breathing dragons" being myth and legends for millenia). ergo agrchomp doesn't need Anon the Autist's Autistic seal of Autistic Faggot Approval, because Game Freak decide the universe to Tajiri's ruleset, not the autistic little cunts of the world brainwashed into this shit when they started using pull-up pampers.

pokemon were never animals. They’re yokai/kami/kaiju.

The presumption that they make biological or ecological sense is something made up by TPCi because it’s more marketable in the west because spirits, deities, and yokai are too complicated for the american parent’s mind to comprehend.

>>57926362
>We can agree to disagree.
Headcanons are like having a religious faith or a dick. It's fine to have one, fine to be proud of it too But don't wave it around in public and expect acceptance. As this isn't a dickhead server I had to sign up to and get vetted, it's not the place to be waving that shit around, doubly so in a thread dedicated to a book of the written canon of the universe.

>>57926392
No, mons like Dragonite and Salamence had Fly in their moveset from the beginning, both predating Garchomp's very existence. Both would also have gained STAB and thus had more reason to put in in their moveset than Garchomp, but still didn't. Most Dragonite sets would rather not use a Flying move than use Fly, that's how bad it is.
It has always been a shit move and it is laughable to hear someone believe otherwise.

>>57926406
Yes, they got those moves as Game Freak knew they were underwhelming shitters so threw them a bone.
But the two actually good cunts, they didn't even though "the move's shit and two secondaries would rather not run it". Showing the lore is separate from the battle engine mechanics and Garchomp doesn't need a retired HM to actually perambulate in mid-air.

>>57920080
That's Tackle

Retard

>>57926416
Salamence was the most broken mon after Garchomp at the time, and certainly a whole lot better than Gyarados.
Again, you clearly have no knowledge of the games back then if you think the presence or absence of Fly in Dragonite, Salamence, or Garchomp's movesets makes a lick of difference.

>>57926404
how is being able to fly meaning it can fly a headcanon?

>>57926420
spinning star tackle*

>>57926406
doesnt matter, it should be able to learn Fly anyway

>>57926485
Yes, that's my point? Giving it Fly would be a neat flavor move since it wouldn't impact its gameplay balancing anyway. Or aren't you the retard I've been talking to who think it is this super busted move?

>>57926403
>spirits, deities, and yokai are too complicated for the american parent’s mind to comprehend.
You say that when one of the most marketable Pokemon is Gengar, a ghost.

>>57926403
Literally based on bug catching you moron.

>>57926403
dumbest person in this thread

>>57926503
And ghosts are easier for burger parents to grasp the concept of, due to growing up with casper the friendly ghost in comics and on telly, to SHOW them what a ghost is. Explain a yokai to Karen from concord carolina and see does she understand the concept. Can't call it a ghost though, yokai are different to ghosts.

>>57926509
>based on bug catching
>not touted, heralded or presented as JUST bug-catching
Anon was refering to the creatures contained in the series and not the series as a thing. I know "Pokémon" and Pokémon seem the same thing, but context easily explains the difference, if you're not a braindead faggot who huffed glue to cope with mummy's drinking.

>57926531
>57926509
>retarded samefag

>>57926545
Caterpie is just a caterpillar. dgey is just a small bird.
Sure some Pokemon are based on yokai especially among the rarer or later encounters in the games but a huge chunk of them are just regular ass animals as well.
To ascribe any sort of spiritual or supernatural elements to Pidgey is missing the point.

>>57926545
I can tell from the way you write that you're the same retard who claimed Fly was a busted move earlier itt.

>>57926576
I didn't claim anything of the sort. I DID say Game Freak have a mental block of giving moves of a certain power, to pokémon with a certain attack stat value. You retarded shits somehow got "it's busted" from it, when it was a statement of fact - it was always a physical move and the pokémon with a certain attack stat don't get it to play with for balance (because I can think of a niche use for a Flying Garchomp paired with a Mean Look Gengar conspiring to lock shit to the field while 'Chompy cleans house).

>>57926597
>a mental block of giving moves of a certain power, to pokémon with a certain attack stat value.
What is this "power" of Fly you speak of? Is it all in your head? And what exactly is this Atk stat? It must be higher than Garchomp's since Salamence has higher Attack than it and it was still allowed to have this so-called coveted Fly move.

>>57926616
Numbers autism. For such an autistic fucker, ot's stunning you didn't see it. Best go get disability, assuming you're not a burger like, no cunt's getting that from the current set (they want to kill the weak, feeble and retarded, page out of 1930's Germany that).

>>57926638
Anon, let me explain it to you then, as clearly as I can.
Salamence has 135Atk.
Garchomp has 130.
One of these get the coveted 90BP two-turn move Fly, and it's not the one with 130Atk.

>>57926559
Ah yes, my favorite yokai, Pidgey.

>>57926682
And I'll make it even simpler for you. One is a piece of shit, the other's always been strong. That's why secondary from hoenn got it and why the Champion's Ace from Sinnoh was excluded. Sorry you're a retarded cunt, but it's all there in the details you don't care to look at.

>>57926559
You realize how a lot of the gen4 leaks were trying to use inspiration from stuff like ainu folklore? Even squirrels and birds have kamuy. That’s not a contradiction.


Pokemon are not just creatures. They only were because in early gens they didn’t have a chance to develop some of the ideas beyond pokemon that were inspired by Ultraman kaiju, and because “magic animals” were easier to market globally.

A kamuy of pigeons can coexist alongside a kamuy of boxing (circling back to pokemon wearing clothes), and a kamuy of computer graphics, and kamuy of industrial pollution.

>>57926545
Some Pokemon are yokai, some are scifi concepts, some are plain animals.

GF explained in an interview how they want Pokemon to coexist in nature and even the RG lore book explained how they are just like animals, they evolved, they adapt and they have ecological niches.

I don't know what japan obsessed trip you're on but it's not yokai watch so shut up.

>>57926926
>implying gen 1 was made to be global and they just didn't do whatever they please
have you ever read any interview or read anything from original lore?

>>57926816
Fly is a 2 turn move so essentially its power is halved, and it has no STAB so Garchomo would still prefer to use other moves

>>57926926

>>57926816
>Told time and time again that Fly is a shit move that Garchomp wouldn’t even use even if it had it
>Told time and time again that Salamence has a higher Atk stat so the claim that Garchomp can’t have it because its Atk is too high doesn’t make sense
>Told time and time again that Salamence was busted in Gen IV and definitely more busted than Gyarados which he also argue can’t get Fly because it would be too strong
>continue to write one-two sentences at he end of each post unrelated to the point but just being a mix between schizo ramblings and insults
Sometimes I wonder what anons like this look like in real life. Is this just a teenager thinking this is how they “win” an internet argument? Or is this a full grown man sitting in his mother’s basement being terrified of losing face on an anonymous message board?

>>57928134
>ignores the message to hyper-fixate on details and seethe
How does that discredit Garchomp's ability to fly faggot? You keep falling off the topic at hand, to sperg out like a mentally deficient spastic. I'm well aware sweaty neet shut-ins don't use it in smogon. I'm ALSO well aware it trivialises game challenges if you're the player and increased the bullshit quotient to have an NPC hit you with it (because I don't think I ever saw a two-turn invulnerability move on an NPC's pokémon, meaning even Game Freak know that kind of shit's not fun to face). The sooner you realise they don't actually give a shit for comp (in as much as it's never going to be balanced and tweaked to suit the tastes of neet shut-ins), the more you'll understand about how they build their critters for in-game play (Dragon Rush - shit accuracy, draco meteor - slightly inaccurate, guaranteed to make SP. Attk useless if used twice). That includes not giving something they purposely created to be good rather than an also-ran shitmon that needed all the help it got and then some.
>>57928035
The Gen 1 book's been replaced canon-wise by and large. Only shit like pokémon shrinking and the rough creation date of Poké Balls continues, in case you missed it animals and the real world were culled from the game world before the game launched and the series two Gens later starting off with a whole series reboot of the presented universe. And that still ignored the difference in context between "Pokémon" the title of the series and Pokémon, the creatures found with the series and games, which was the point I was making. Die in a fire lease, too many rteraded monkeys running around without people trying to cosplay as them too.

>>57928196
I don't really care all that much about Fly in Garchomp's moveset. It would be neat if it had it for flavor reasons, but not the end of the world if it doesn't have it.
My role in this thread is and has been from the start to call you a complete retard for insisting that Fly is good.
>I'm well aware sweaty neet shut-ins don't use it in smogon. I'm ALSO well aware it trivialises game challenges if you're the player and increased the bullshit quotient to have an NPC hit you with it
I'm eager to hear your reasoning for why Fly is garbage in competitive but somehow trivializes in-game matches, more so than other moves Garchomp has access to that already trivialize DPPt.
>because I don't think I ever saw a two-turn invulnerability move on an NPC's pokémon
Drake literally has it on his RS Salamence you fucking moron. This would have been the first thing you should have looked up since we're talking about Garchomp and it being the closest comparison.
>(Dragon Rush - shit accuracy, draco meteor - slightly inaccurate, guaranteed to make SP. Attk useless if used twice)
None of these moves matter for physical Dragon types in Gen IV when you just spam Outrage and win, said move was busted beyond belief.

>>57928196
>The Gen 1 book's been replaced canon-wise by and large.
replaced how? animals still sometimes slick through the lore even in the newest games
and even then, you still choose to ignore the official lore and spit out your own headcanons

>>57918011 (OP)
>Blackrock demanded from TPCi to put a gay Pikachu orgy right on the front cover

>>57925341
>Apparently, the heads aren’t the only parts of the body that DODRIO has three of.
What exactly is this entry talking about?

>>57928417
>Apparently, the heads aren't the only parts of the body that Dodrio has three of. It has three sets of hearts and lungs as well, so it is capable of running long distances without rest.

>>57918011 (OP)
why does no one upload the scans from this book and just keep yapping about it?
spill the goods already :(

>>57928449
go on twitter and look
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>>57921767
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>>57928463
>That Chimchar
Rapeable

So this confirms that Zeraora is a cheetah.