Thread 57936956

What do you think of pro nuzlockers?

>>57936956 (OP)
definition of optimizing the fun out of a game. Nuzlockes are interesting for the side of building a connection with your mons due to threat of permadeath, and using mons you wouldn't usualy have because of capture rules and unexpected deaths.

>>57936956 (OP)
>That Norwood 3

>>57936960
every time i see a campaignshitter say dumb shit i laugh

>>57936956 (OP)
They all have norwoods

If I ever do something incredibly dumb like being a "pro nuzlocke" youtuber just end my life.

>>57936956 (OP)
I despise the idea of nuzlockes and keep selecting "not interested" and "do not recommend" on those fucking videos but YouTube keeps recommending them to me because YouTube has been pure unusable shit for at least 5 or 6 years

>>57936956 (OP)
I think hardcore nuzlocking some of the romhacks these guys play is insane, I can't imagine how much patience it take keeping track of trainer teams, calculating risk assessment on the fly a lot of turns, adapting to whatever rng gave you on a given route, and then tearing it all down and restarting whenever you wipe. I still can't believe Emerald Kaizo was hardcore nuzlocked, even if it apparently took 151 attempts.

It's not my preferred playstyle though, I like using new mons all the time and sticking with them until the end.

>>57936960
>optimizing the fun out of a game
well yeah. it's a challenge run not a lets play
>building a connection with your mons due to threat of permadeath
they do this in their storytime videos
>using mons you wouldn't usualy have
they do this with species clause

unless u just wanna get mad for the sake of it idk what ur deal is d e s u

>>57937037
Jan threads are made to seethe about the gen 2 video and laugh at his hairline.

>>57936956 (OP)
"""pro""" nuzlocker

How to be a pro nuzlocker
1. Hack in rare candy
2. Hack your mons to have the evs you want/need

>>57937057
>modern nuzlocke hacks have candy bags and no EVs
You lost

>>57936956 (OP)
>>57936963
Why the fuck does he put his face on camera? I just want to watch some nuzlocke, not look at some fat balding millennial

>>57937015
They play with speed-up and follow established strategies, it's really not that impressive or time consuming.

I like Pokemon and I'm 30 but I hate everyone online who is 30 and plays pokemon as their job

its the most baby game for babys, and to not only turn it into your full time job for years and years but to overthink every possible OKAY GUYS WE'RE TAKING ON BROCK, HE HAS A GEDUDE, WE HAVE A SQUIRTLE, WATERGUN SHOULD ONE SHOT HIS GEODEUDE BUT LETS RUN IT THROUGH THE SIMULATION TO MAKE SUREEEE - YES OKAY WE CAN NOW PRESS WATERGUN

Like bro, relax, Wolfe type 30 year olds still playing competetive against autistic 11 year olds are slightly less cringe

>>57936956 (OP)
I don't think about them at all because I'm not a youtube obsessed zoomer

>>57937037
>well yeah. it's a challenge run not a lets play
It's not trying to get through the game(maybe failing) and telling a story, it's just filling out a spreadsheet with the utmost efficiency. ecelebs removed the soul from nuzlockes.

>>57937090
Only because they're directly catering to youtubers.

hardcore nuzlockes fucking suck

>>57937658
The original point of a nuzlocke was made to make for a more challenging and interesting run, not to make shitty cringe comics, boom boom.

>>57937094
Videos with your face on it do better in the algorithm, nothing more to it.

>>57937662
no. try playing run&bun with hours of calcs and all the grinding on top of it. you wouldn't know because you don't play the hacks.

If you want my honest opinion I think it's a weird trend that people do nuzlockes or stream Pokemon for money.

>>57937693
>content farm slop

>>57937096
Speed up is usually a hindrance. Hitting a spinner or playing carelessly leads to wasting more time than anything.

I don't see anything wrong with using old strategies, but good players can puzzle their way though a hard battle with a shitty box. The original games don't do that since they're so easy.

>>57937697
that's why i always use an adblocker

>>57937711
>mad for no reason

>>57937697
>playing games for money is weird
What rock are you living under

>>57937720
he said pokemon, not games

>>57937693
>No, you don't understand! I HAVE to do a challenge run, even if it would otherwise be impossible. So make it easier for me to do, okay? :)

>>57937090
>modern nuzlocke hacks have no EVs
Why even challenge run Pokemon if you dont even want to engage with the mechanics of it?

>>57936977
maybe fill out a job application instead of a spreadsheet for a children's game

>>57937735
they even cut moves lmao

>>57937094
>want to show reactions
>be vtuber
>get mocked for not showing face
>decide to do a face reveal
>get mocked for showing face
There's no winning the genetics lottery in modern society. Better to just not get involved or create any kind of "identity" for yourself.

>>57937723
R&B has a candy bag regardless so the point is moot. Newer hacks are made to skip grinding and using PkHex as much as possible.

>>57937737
I think you should say that to the grinders :)

>>57937745
>R&B has a candy bag regardless
Because it caters to ecelebs and saves them the time of needing to make their own AR code.

>>57937741
You also have draftlockes where they just pick all their mons before hand

>>57937745
>skip grinding
uh oh the millennials will hate that

>>57937751
>Because it caters to ecelebs
Prove it.

>>57937756
You already proved it for me.

>>57936956 (OP)
>Pro Nuzlocker
>has played by the rules so much he needs to make rules on top of the existing rules
>those rules now become the new norm
>time goes by, those new rules are now old and rusted
>decide that nuzlocke speedruns are the new norm
>only way to keep it entertaining and fresh is with hacks
>suddenly everything is so stale, the only way to keep it interesting is to play it in a co-op setting where if someone else's pokemon dies, the relative 'mon caught you have also dies
>this also gets dull, need to keep spicing it up
>make a fucking randomizer
>this also gets dull
>randomizer co-op nuzlocke that also interacts with other games
MAKE IT FUCKING STOP

>>57937760
>can't say how
So you can't prove it.

>>57937768
Grind-skipping features are designed for ecelebs to use.

>>57937774
Everyone uses them. Which specific eceleb requested a candy bag?

>>57937778
All of the ones who use rare candy cheats.

>>57937779
Show the evidence. I know you can't.

>>57937778
>Everyone uses them
Why even play a fucking nuzlocke if you're just going to catch every legally obtainable pokemon you run into as if they're just extra lifelines?

>>57937780
Why do I need to? Do you lack pattern recognition?
>ecelebs start playing harder and harder rom hacks
>hacks are too difficult for them to finish normally, so they use PKHeX and rare candy cheats to stay at pace with the game
>hack makers see this and decide to just begin implementing those features normally
It's okay if you're stupid, just own up to it instead of being a pseud, faggot.

>it's another "im mad nuzlockers play the game and dont grind a sunkern in hgss for the 200th time" thread
yawn

>>57937786
>loses an argument
>has to passive-aggressive reply like a woman
I can smell the stench of cum on your breath from here.

>>57937781
What are you talking about.

>>57937785
You do realize that practice stemmed from regular players, not ecelebs, right?

>>57937790
No, because ecelebs are the ones who hyper-optimized runs because it's their literal job to keep a steady flow of "content." You probably weren't even alive when the first nuzlocke comic was made.

>>57937786
>>57937790
If you're playing nuzlockes so often that the only thing you can think to do is to speed up the rate of which you can play the game, you're playing the wrong game.
Bro, just build a battle-sim and play that.

>>57937795
No, ecelebs used to do all their runs with grinding. Some of them are still against it. For Jan, the good players behind the scenes were using candies and pressuring him, he used to do EK attempts with grinding. If anything they'd want grinding streams because they're more braindead compared to calcing shit all day.

>>57937797
Not the same thing.

>>57937802
>used to
Then they stopped when certain hacks were deemed impossible without cheats.

>>57937797
u don't play either of those, campaignshitter

>>57937802
It's exactly the same thing. You're playing these games so much that you need to abuse speed up, instant leveling, and free stat customization. You're not even playing an RPG at that point, just Pokemon Showdown against bots.

>>57937797
>Not the same thing.
There are only a scant few fights where people are afraid of common denomination trainers. The only fights that matter are the gym fights.
It's conceptually easy to just create a simulator that simulates what pokemon you get in each route/cave, and then pit you against just the core fights in the game with your pokemon having gained the prerequisite moves/levels, and you would have the items to teach moves leading up to the fights.
But nah, it's totally not the same thing at all.

>>57937687
>not to make shitty cringe comics, boom boom
t. newfag, the whole concept of nuzlockes hinges on the existence of these cringy comics, the name itself is a cringy comic joke

>>57937805
>certain hacks were deemed impossible without cheats
No one says this. You're running out of ideas.

>>57937808
It's a completely different playstyle from Showdown. Losing is whatever and you need to keep up with trends in the tier. Nuzlocking. Nuzlockes make you 6-0 every opponent and losing a mon can be devastating. The hard hacks weren't made for you if you want a classic Pokemon RPG, simple as that.

>>57937819
>It's completely different
>and losing a mon can be devastating
These two things are not compatible where rare candies are involved.

>>57937819
>No one says this.
Then why did they start using cheats if it was doable without?
>It's a completely different playstyle from Showdown
Not really. You aren't getting a Pokemon back on Showdown after it croaks.
>Nuzlockes make you 6-0 every opponent
Then play with the intention of getting a 6-0. Big deal.

>>57937825
This guy doesn't understand that the time investment is a factor in caring about your Pokemon. He's just a soulless automaton who wants a spreadsheet to guide his every move.

>>57937819
you have to be the most fantastically retarded idiot this side of /vp/
at what point does it become "devastating" to lose a pokemon when you can just replace it with something else after roiding it out with candies?

>>57937825
nigga wtf are you talking about
u think they level up to 100 on brock or something?

>>57937831
This guy was sperging out on /vr/ a week ago when I dared criticize his favorite channel's favorite game.

>>57937819
>The hard hacks weren't made for you if you want a classic Pokemon RPG, simple as that.

They also weren’t made for slopcreators to milk for challenge runs originally but here we are

>>57937833
The rules - as I know them now - only allow the pokemon on your team to engage the gym leaders with 'mons matching their highest leveled pokemon.
If you're going to be intellectually dishonest, at least don't act like a retard.

>>57937825
>>57937831
>devastating
Yes, to the run. Losing a strong mon can make the run much harder.

>>57937826
>Then why did they start using cheats if it was doable without?
Is it cheating if it was built into the game and intended by the creator? You can't "eceleb" your way out of that if there's no evidence to support it, it's the intended design.
>You aren't getting a Pokemon back on Showdown after it croaks.
>Then play with the intention of getting a 6-0
What are you talking about? You're running out of ideas.

>>57937838
nah u talk like someone not in the scene

>>57937840
>Is it cheating if it was built into the game
It wasn't built into the games I'm talking about.

>>57937843
So we're not talking about the same thing. Once again, those difficult nuzlocke hacks weren't made for you. Go play something you enjoy and was meant for your playstyle, those hacks exist. Ending the conversation here.

>>57937834
Did you just out yourself as a samefag?
How does it feel to genuinely make every gameplay thread insufferable?

>>57937850
Maybe you're not talking about the same thing. It originally started with people hacking in candies to make difficult hacks doable with nuzlocke rules, then it just became a feature as hack devs started to cater to those people. NOW it's a feature, but it wasn't always that way.

>>57937859
kek based

>>57937852
You don't even know what a samefag is. Go back.

>>57937863
Why do you eternally defend Johto with your life in every thread you're in?

>>57937850
>Losing the argument
>Taking the ball and going home
>>57937859
Cheaters never prosper.

>>57937864
Oh it's a genwar faggot. No wonder.

>>57937864
I defend several regions, because they're fun to play.

>>57937868
>cheat
>get millions of views and sponsorships
>grind
>seethe about ecelebs and zoomers on 4chan all day
i will cheat

>>57937876
Post your channel.

>>57937743
>Better to just not get involved or create any kind of "identity" for yourself.

I figured this out when I was 10 years old. In this society, it's better to not exist at all. Quite literally, better to have never been born, than born into this society.

>>57937879
https://www.youtube.com/pokemonchallenges

>>57937819
>Losing a mon can be devastating
TONY BUILT HIS TEAM IN A CAVE WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS

>>57937882
My KING

>>57937882
I thought so. No one else would try and deflect away from hack devs literally catering to him.

>>57937761
It's called late stage capitalism. When youtube first came out, A youtuber could post near identical playthroughs over and over with no repercussions. And it was all for fun.

>>57937889
>arguing in bad faith with no evidence
>same typing style
It is definitely gschizo

The best way to tell is a yotube nuzlocker is worth watch is if they refer to the pokemon by species names or the nick name. Species name means they go straight to the trash.

>>57937884
tony is also fictional

>>57937882
>Can't prove it's him in this thread
>Could farm content by making a video about how this thread keeps calling him a shitter
>Won't because he's a faggy little bitch
Many such cases.

>>57937895
Jaiden my goat

>>57937898
His jewish talent agency probably doesn't want him anywhere near 4chan.

>>57937900
Id call her more an "attention whore system exploiter" but to each his own.

>>57937906
Look whos mad

>>57937910
just disappointed in society.

For as autistic and faggy its community can be Friendlocke is probably one of the only locke series ive seen that captures the idea of actually having a connection to your mons like the original comic

>>57937915
You should read the original Ruby comic without nostalgia glasses on. I died of cringe

>>57937892
>the johto fag and anti candy nigger are the same person
color me surprised (not)

>>57937892
You denying my points is arguing in bad faith, because no reasonable person would believe that modern difficulty hacks are NOT catering to their easiest way to gain attention.

>>57937917
>silcoon is a piece of shit
>not using potions out of battle
retard

>>57937922
You don't have a lot of money by the time you're in Petalburg Woods.

>>57937876
You're aware of how engagement works then, correct?
Nuzlockes are impotent after the first run people watch, so you're forced to innovate every time in order to keep people coming back for the same shit with a different coat of paint.
Eventually you'll burn out trying to come up with shit, and people will realize this and not tune in nearly as much.
It's why some of the videos >>57937882 here has are wild in terms of view, going from sub-200k, to above 3m (as outliers from being part of a bandwagon).
Nuzlockes are fucking BORING at the end of the day, and most of the reason anyone watches is because of the personalities.
It's why people like Alpharad regularly average about 1m views per video while pChal only averages a half of that, with the few.
Alpharad is fun and charming, while pChal is a fucking boring trog.

>>57937922
Most of it is going from point A to B with a bad crass joke in between. So no different from YouTube videos but the art is very low effort

>>57937882
between you and merriku it's hard to tell who ruined johto reputation more

>>57937934
I'll forgot to add one particular detail as it was an afterthought
The largest reason pChal has anywhere above a million views on ANYTHING is no thanks in part to clickbaity titles.

>>57937940
Johto ruined its own reputation.

>>57937941
prove it

>>57937934
>Alphafaggot
Cringe

>>57937944
*Alphaggot

>>57937943
Last (7 excluding the 3m view) videos averages at 431k views, while adding it would be an average of 765k views.
I'm begging you to use your own eyes to see how the 3m isn't just clickbait.
>>57937944
Numbers don't lie.

>>57937934
It's funny how we went from seething about ecelebs to analyzing their channel numbers. Anyway pChal's problem is he failed to branch out from nuzlockes and his audience is meant for 18+. For a children's franchise that isn't great when kids love rewatching shit.

>>57937906
>attention whore
Bro, animation takes time her animation challenge is good her streaming vtuber cringe is the attention whory part

>>57937977
I don't think anyone was really "seething" about them, apart from dealing with anons acting like pic related. What pChal managed to do, as I would describe it, is failing from success. To put it plainly, while he succeeded in gaining an audience, he's stuck running the proverbial ratwheel of doing Nuzlockes to keep them entertained, while doing everything in his power to keep things "fresh" - something varietytubers don't have an issue with.

>>57938221
>I don't think anyone was really "seething" about them
have some self awareness

>>57938230
>have some self awareness
You do know you can be critical of others without being angry, right?

>>57936960
Hardcore nuzlocke threads always turn out to be shit because campaignshitters like you can't handle themselves.

>>57937917
It's awesome you fucking pleb.

>>57938253
It's dumb as fuck, retard

>>57938260
It's kino, too bad zoomies are allergic to being authentic because they weren't socialised properly.

>>57938263
Obsessed

>>57938263
i read it earlier. it's the same as youtube slop except with bad art and daddy issues

>>57938276
It isn't the same because the youtube slop is slop because it's derivative of the original work. How dense are you?
>>57938268
I accept your concession.

>>57938304
Oh you're that Johto schizo

>>57938304
>it's good cuz it's the original
ok gramps

>>57938304
>because it's derivative of the original work
Nuzlocke as a concept is derivative of Pokemon.
Just because it's on youtube doesn't inherently make it slop.

>>57938310
>Johto schizo
I'm not some dumb johtoddler, johto fucking sucks for trying to be a simulation game instead of an rpg.
>>57938318
Yes, a copy is always inferior. The original can be creative and trendsetting where its major elements later on become cliché due to a lot of works trying to emulate or pay homage to it.

>>57938353
>t. sub 60 IQ murrimutt
The hard mode presented in nuzlocke comics is the novel part which distinguishes it from the source material (pokémon).
Youtube slop is slop because it only emulates the comics but doesn't really add anything substantial, how is that difficult to understand?

>>57938360
>Yes, a copy is always inferior
So nothing is worth doing if it's not completely original, whatever that means. That is genuinely depressing if you really feel that way. Self-imposed challenges, permadeath, and game comics did not originate from that Ruby comic.

>>57938364
animating a comic and non-shitty dialogue and commentary doesn't add anything substantial?

>>57936956 (OP)
I've never see this level of seethe for old ass lets player ecelebs like Chuggaaconroy and Marriland. What's the big deal?

>>57938364
>how is that difficult to understand?
It's not difficult at all if you just step back for a second and stop acting like a blithering psycho.
Simply by saying "youtube slop is slop because it's derivative of the original work" insinuates that Nuzlocke as a concept is slop because it is derivative of the original work - in this case, Pokemon.
Stop malding for one minute to realize that and spend more time and effort into refining your definition of what constitutes as "youtube slop."

>>57938386
they watched them when they were 8

>>57938386
>What's the big deal
Probably because those ecelebs aren't degen faggots gaming the algorithms.
Also they aren't fun to watch.

>>57938409
most of them turned into pedos or trannies

>>57938382
Yes, but that's adding something (animation) doing a cookie cutter low-effort nuzlocke let's play part 1 of 46 is slop content.

>>57938409
There is nothing fun about Chugga screaming his lungs out every minute or some degen cracking shitty jokes with terrible gameplay.

>>57938387
The only one malding here is you baldie, you're so angry you can't comprehend what you're reading.
Re-read my comments and try again.

>>57938422
>make lets play with edgy childish personality
>get thousands of views
>draw insecure kids into your dms
>joke about raping them
>???
>profit!

>>57938416
I don't think anyone would disagree with you there, but those videos hardly catch on anymore.

>cookie cutter low-effort nuzlocke let's play part 1 of 46
This only happens in the form of daily edited stream videos, but they don't aim to create a story like the comics do. It's common practice for those to be on separate channels.

>>57938416
>>57938463
the storytime videos can be awful too. the silphspectre and flygonhg "CAN I NUZLOCKE [vanilla game] WITH ONLY [monotype] TYPES" is borderline slop

>>57938463
Then why were you defending youtube slop as if it were as novel as the first comic that introduced the concept?
I consider stuff like petty did improvements over ruby hard mode due to better art style and animations for specific events...
https://youtu.be/cTAnAYGKmC4
in contrast to slop let's play part 13 of X
https://youtu.be/XZ_k-pAiXbE

>>57938498
I wasn't saying that. You were saying the original is the best because it's the original, which is fucking retarded. Let's play episodic playthroughs haven't been relevant for years.

>>57936956 (OP)
Nothing will top Jan's attempt 151 EK E4 stream. Peak kino.

>>57938515
Not saying it's the best I said it being novel made it worth reading (at the time), copies/slop lack novelty to be worth reading/watching.

>>57938597
I accept your concession. Nice template btw is that one of the new movies?

>>57938515
I am just scrolling by
Whats a good one if that's my only exposure to other people nuzlocke's?

>>57936956 (OP)
Subhuman filth on par with compshiters, both of them have no human rights and deserve death by firing squad.

>>57938641
>is that one of the new movies
Say sike right fucking now or your monologuing over everyone else seething is literally just you projecting for you clearly being an underage shitter.

>>57938693
>Say sike right fucking now or your monologuing over everyone else seething is literally just you projecting for you clearly being an underage shitter.
How am I underage for watching dragon ball decades ago and haven't watched anything post GT?
I know they made new movies with a super saiyan god and the purple cat egyptian god but haven't watched them.

>>57938221
see >>57938688

>>57938674
Start with the Jaiden Ruby video. It keeps the spirit of what the old comics were about.

Flygon is the only calcfag who actually tries to tell a story that isnt about le difficulty and skill

>>57938597
Fucking kek.

>>57938847
It's from Dragonball Super, specifically the Tournament of Power arc. https://youtu.be/HSULMsfz6GI?si=PBHU3zmL6RtRV8XA

>>57938533
i go outside so i didn't watch it
can someone give us a recap of every way he threw that

>>57938906
no

>>57938899
Ah never got around watching that. Thanks anon, is it any good? I kinda lost interest halfway through the evil dragons arc in GT and just end up playing the vidya nowadays.

The smallant run and bun highlights have been good