Thread 57944789

Name a flaw.

>name a flaw so I can report your post to the jannies and have them delete it so I can pretend the flaw doesn’t exist
I’ll pass thanks

>>57944789 (OP)
Gross digimon pokedex
And DS game so it's ugly as balls

>>57944789 (OP)
you're fat and gay and keep making the same shitty threads

the early game pokemon are mostly bad

Team building sucks donkey cock and the cool pokemon final evo levels are so stupidly high that you won't be able to use them until the post-game.

>>57944789 (OP)
Everything

>>57944825
so.. nothing?

i let my friend borrow my victini, but then he moved. i'll never have my little victini back

>>57944789 (OP)
I feel like it really does not utilize its game world properly, it's just a series of hallways where you go from town to town before Alder's like "ok time to go back to Castelia to face Team Plasma, hope you have Fly btw"
It's kind of a symptom of how optional HMs are so the game can't really be designed with the Metroidvania-esque structure of everything being interconnected but you don't have the skills to access stuff in a non-linear fashion - which is like, fine, but it really feels like every new location in the game is extremely disposable when there's barely a reason to go back to any of them once you leave for the first time.

>>57944789 (OP)
The story is the worst of the first 6 gens of the series.

>>57944789 (OP)
My favorite gen, but as other have and will continue to rightly point out, the evolution levels are way too fucking high. You straight up can't use a lot of gen 5 pokemon in later games because you'll beat the league before it gets to its final evolution.

>>57944789 (OP)
Not fun.

>>57944789 (OP)
Insists upon itself way too much.

>>57944789 (OP)
Locks an entire aspect of species (Hidden Abilities) to a few select encounters in the game which was fine for the time but in post makes it hard to get the exact Pokemon you want due to a retired service.

>>57944789 (OP)
A pretty lacklustre postgame. There’s a few more routes/cities and the Battle Subway which is cool, but not much beyond that from what I remember. B2W2 is way better in that regard.
>>57944945
Fair enough. Each route is designed well unlike modern games, but the structure of the game itself hampers it a bit.
>>57944997
Me getting the Larvesta egg, circa 2010:
>’Yes, I’m sure this will be a valuable team member who will evolve into something cool and strong at a reasonable level!’

>>57944997
Isn't it the opposite? Looking at final bosses post-gen 5, the only ones with aces below level 64 are in games where Hydreigon is either a hidden natdex mon (Kukui and ORAS Steven) or unobtainable without trading (Hau) while BW's comparatively low level curve makes it harder to use those evolutios.

>>57944789 (OP)
unova has many filler pokemon because it was trying to be kantoooooo 2.0
b2w2 is an improvement, but I wish there were less pokemon introduced in gen 5
not to mention that you have two side legendary trios
it’s so obvious the swords were meant to be kalos legendaries, but gf wanted to one up themselves in the number of newly introduced pokémon at a time, so they snagged them from kalos

>>57944948
I was blown away at how bad the Emerald story is considering how little shit it gets. Ghetsis is Shakespeare compared to that shit

>>57945345
Emerald's story is at least 5 times better than Black/White's.

>>57944789 (OP)
>routes and dungeons are mostly hallways
>several new pokemon evolve at unreasonably high levels
>one-dimensional, childishly written rivals (seriously, how many dialogues does Cheren have without saying I HAVE TO GET STRONGER STRONG STRONG STRONG MUH STRENGTH STRONG)
>treats you like a retard with NPCs constantly walking you to plot-relevant spots and city exits (like in Opelucid City), or showing you exactly what you need to do (like in Chargestone Cave), god forbid you have to figure something out for a second

>>57945373
oh and the monkeyspam. Like every two areas there's either
>1 trainer with all 3 monkeys
>3 trainers with 1 monkey each

>>57945327
Kanto "filler" mons: iconic
Unova fillermons: forgotten or despised

clearly the issue isn't a large dex

>>57945379
you didn’t get my point
a large dex won’t work again precisely because we already have so many rpg archetypes fulfilled by kanto alone

>>57945401
>a large dex won’t work again precisely because
nugen designs are almost always godawful and unlovable

The stretch from the second town to around when you leave the third, simply because the game is excessively linear for tutorial reasons because they were scared of losing the DS audience (too little too late). After that it lets you actually catch interesting Pokemon and explore the many optional areas of the game.

>>57944804
Spritework peaked in HGSS (Crystal is close doe) and the overworld in Gen 5

>>57945381
i don't get this image

I can't think of any flaws of Unova. game Freak just really mismanaged it. Pokémon Black 2 White 2 was easily the best Pokémon had ever been, but GF didn't make it clear that it was a sequel, and they pushed out Gen 6 only a year later. I imagine due to their terrible marketing and the resulting sales, they are never going to go back to Unova under the false pretense that people didn't like it

>>57945660
>[falsehood] and [falsehood]

>>57944789 (OP)
gayest Pokemon game ever

>>57944789 (OP)
boring as all fuck, OST sucks, retarded story you unravel the moment N-igger and bitchtits speak, hideous designs, hallway routes. I could go on, but you get the point. BW2 saved gen v nigga

>>57945372
You gotta be kidding

Both bad guy teams are absurd even to a child
Two kaiju are fighting
I go to a trivial dungeon and press A in front of another one
Main quest end

>>57945792
>OST sucks

3v3 Battles were nice but version exclusive and underexposed
Characters have 2-3 Pokemon
Garbodor

>>57945841
>Garbodor
is based

>>57944948
Really? I thought it was better than everything except 7 and 9

>>57945372
How so?

>>57945792
OST sucks?
Wow you have no taste whatsoever. Did a YouTuber tell you that?

>>57944789 (OP)
*kicks munna*

>>57945792
>OST sucks
opinion discarded.

>>57945902
Arguably even better

>>57945902
gen 7's story is overrated. it would be good if it was, like, a novel or something, but the story of a game should make the transitions between gameplay segments flow seamlessly. gen 7's story instead interrupts the gameplay and constantly jerks the player around.

>>57944789 (OP)
Literally can't.

>>57946052
We talking about Sun and moon, or Ultrasun and Ultramoon? I remember playing Moon and it was a comfortable game, but the story itself was a low point. It had the best line from Hau, though. Something along the lines of saying how Pokémon battling isn't fun once you can't afford to lose. I think he said that in the Aether Foundation.

>>57946069
> but the story itself was a low point.
usually the common opinion is that usum ruined the story making Lusamine less evil and shifting the main focus to Necrozma

>>57946080
I see. I love Alola for the vibes, but I recently played Alpha Sapphire, and now I can't help but feel like Alola was Hoenn light.

>>57944820
That's basically every pokemon game

>>57945914
it has a consistent premise that is rationally explainable, takes itself seriously, and doesn't undermine itself at any point in the story, unlike bleck/shite

>>57946069
>We talking about Sun and moon, or Ultrasun and Ultramoon?
both
both games fail to connect story events to the player's goals.
compare encounters with the villainous team from BW and USUM.
in BW, when you get to Driftveil, Clay will refuse to battle you until you find some Team Plasma grunts roaming around. fighting Clay is something the player wants to do, it's part of their overarching goal of becoming the champion. even if there isn't much investment in Team Plasma, there is still a believable motivation pushing the player towards the encounter.
in both SM and USUM, the second encounter with Team Skull is not on the path to Verdant Cavern. it's off in a dead end. the berry farm in SM and the beach in USUM. these are very easily missable locations and the player most likely wants to get to the trial site at that point. but there's a story that needs to happen, so the game forces the player's hand into going off the straight path and encountering Team Skull.
every game has moments where the game forces the player into doing the story, and I think BW is among the worst in that regard. I chose it as a comparison to show that it still sometimes has somewhat of an understanding of integrating the player's motivation into the story events. gen 7 does not. the entire game is full of moments like the one described above where the game ignores the player's agency so the story can happen.

>>57946164
Ahh so it's bad then. Got it.

>>57945792
I concur. Those who disagree are the ones with genuine shit-taste.

>>57945660
DP sprites of mons from Gens I & II > HGSS sprites of mons from Gens I & II > Platinum sprites of mons from Gens I & II that appear in the Sinnoh dex

Diamond & Pearl are where Pokémon sprites peaked.

>>57945660
>the overworld in Gen 5
Nah. That was the first time when I felt the overworld graphics suffered a downgrade.

>>57948825
>bumping from page 10

>>57948839
What about it?

>>57945381
Pokemon design really went to shit after Gen 2.

>>57948955
*during Gen 2

>>57949170
dis

>>57947303
'People who like thing I hate have shit tastes.'

>>57949715
Yes.

>Verification is not required.

>>57944789 (OP)
The only problem I had with it was the linearity of Unova. 2 kinda fixed it, but I wish it was more like Sinnoh. Sex with Clay

>>57944789 (OP)
The fans

>>57950344
This but with all of Pokemon and all video games.

>>57950299
Why's that?

>>57945768
yeah hgss is my favorite pokemon game by far but its sprites are overall a downgrade from platinum id say
one of the only genuine flaws it has

Flawless Pokemon game. All I ever asked for was more like this and I never got it.

>>57948955
Gen 2 is filled with terrible Pokemon.

>>57952736
That was by design, game freak didn’t want to make Pokémon anymore so they intentionally made all the Gen2 Pokemon bland or babyish to try and get GoySlopCrap to flop so Nintendo would end their contract and they would be allowed to make real art. But toddies didn’t realize they were being insulted and bought it anyway so Game Freak was stuck making Pokémon forever. Now now that the tods are no longer the controlling the narrative there are no popular or even liked Gen 2 Pokémon, because the only people who liked them were delusional tods forcing everyone like swallow their crap mons

>>57944789 (OP)
It has a obsessive hatebase for no good reason.

>>57952895
*fanbase

>>57954279
both tbdesu

>>57952790
How mentally ill must one be to waste so much time making posts like yours?

>>57952698
Posts like this one are definitive proof that BW fans are either just trolls or totally delusional.

>>57945768
>Remake of Tyranitars home region
>It gets a T-pose sprite
Johtoddlers I...

>>57950776
Shit Taste means having a preference for shit, enjoying it over other things and having a distaste for those things that are not shit. This describes fans of BW1 perfectly.

>>57945345
>Ghetsis is Shakespeare compared to that shit
No. Ghetsis is awful while Archie and Max are just mediocre. They and their teams are just annoying, while Ghetsis and Team Plasma are disgusting.

>>57954302
Ghetsis is baller you tasteless oaf

>>57944789 (OP)
White Version is so much better than Black Version it's not even funny.
>better Opelucid city
>Reshiram for N and Zekrom for MC is way more fitting
>Reuniclus >>> Gothitelle
>Braviary >>>>>>> Mandibuzz
Also the seasons are a retarded mechanic.

>>57954355
>Reshiram for N and Zekrom for MC is way more fitting
>truth dragon for N the fucking Idealist who only looks for the truth after fighting (you)
based retard

>>57954395
Reshiram looks like a heroic Pokemon which fits N, his goals and his perception of himself way more.
(You) are the villain of his story, so you get the demonic looking Zekrom.
Plus there is no difference between truth and ideals, one's ideals are their truth.
N may be idealistic but he's also fighting for his own perceived truth that Pokemon are mistreated, while you are fighting for your ideals that the current state of things is, in fact, idyllic - though ultimately both of you are wrong, because neither position can be 100% considered the truth.
Trainers like the MC and his friends may treat Pokemon with respect and as companions, but you also clearly see people like the members of Team Plasma and Ghetsis who abuse their Pokemon for their own gain.
N's position does have some truth to it, just like yours is an idealized version of reality.

>>57954420
Didn't expect to read something like this here, well done anon

>>57944789 (OP)
several pokemon don't fully evolve until retirement age

>>57944948
People keep citing this as a bad moment but wasn't the point that Team Plasma is divided between people who actually care about Pokemon like N and people who only care about power like Ghetsis

>>57954730
Yes, that was the point of the scene. The only criticism you could make is that the scene is too explicit and could have been portrayed more subtly, but that's it, it fits the storyline coherently regardless, it's just yawnfag bait to pretend BW was bad

>>57945424
>they were scared of losing the DS audience
people pick on the "DS games" a lot. are the 3DS games fundamentally better?

>>57954753
nah, BW was more linear because japanese kids got lost on Mt Coronet, after it they just decided to make games ever more linear for no reason

>>57954753
yes

>>57954319
The irony eludes you.

>>57954420
Your're full of shit.
>>57954673
And so are you.

I hate pretentious idiots so much.

>>57954983
Thank you for your input anon, did it make you feel better to get that out of your system?
You have truly enriched the discussion.

>>57954983
>anon actually puts some effort in the post
>nooo it doesn't make sense!!!
i bet you were filtered by evangelion

>>57954730
Ultimately it serves a double purpose.
It showcases how N is ironically fighting for the only side that actually displays the behavior he's talking about and it shows how him being sheltered and only interacting with Plasma grunts would shape his worldview of the relationship between people and Pokemon.
After all it's only through meeting us and traveling Unova that N manages to change his mind in the first place.

>>57954753
As the guy you're responding to, aside from DP and maybe Platinum if you're feeling particularly stingy, no the 3DS games weren't really better than any given DS title. Maybe the connectivity features of ORAS or some of the good stuff in USUM are better, but the experience is severely dragged down by a lot of other factors in basically every game (XY just being worse than ORAS in every way, ORAS being worse than base RS in too many ways let alone Emerald, SM being too full of bullshit cutscenes that drag the good fights down, USUM being better in every way that matters but functionally removing the story and keeping most of the cut-scenes then adding more on top of it, performance issues because the models are too high poly).
I was more referring to how several developers were afraid of losing the Wii/DS casual audience, to the point that they overtutorialized to the detriment of their game. The worst example is probably Skyward Sword, though even the excellent Mario Galaxy 2 fell into this a little.

>>57955003
>anime reference
Read a book you fat loser.

>>57955128
>point proven
thanks anon

>>57954998
>You have truly enriched the discussion.
Yes. That post is more informative than the garbage it responded to. Idiot.
>>57955003
1. A shit load of garbage has the same value as any other amount of garbage.
2. I can tell how it makes sense to you idiots, that doesn't make it less stupid.
3. Going "it's too deep for you" confirms that you are a pretentious idiot, you shit-for-brains.

>>57954730
>wasn't the point that Team Plasma is divided between people
No, that is the point of other moment in the game. That scene establishes that Team Plasma as hypocrites and that N doesn't know what they are doing. You are conflating both things because you lack the brain power to think differently from the you that knows certain things.

>>57954742
Nobody claims it's incoherent with the rest of the story, the complaint has always been about the lack of subtlety. You are making a strawman so you can pretend the criticism is invalid.

>>57955034
True. But stop trying to make it sound deeper than it really is.

>>57956264
Are you just mad because someone was better at analyzing a the story of a kids game than you?

>>57956327
The irony eludes you.

>>57956330
Well go on anon, we'd love to hear your theory for why the story is the exact same no matter whether N is chosen by Reshiram or Zekrom.

>>57956342
>the story is the exact same no matter whether N is chosen by Reshiram or Zekrom
That is exactly how Game Freak wanted it, imbecile.

>>57956365
Good job anon you're almost getting it.

>>57956417
>I have no counter-argument but I'll pretend an empty reply will make me seem less stupid
Typical.

>>57956365
What has that to do with anon's post? Anon was explaining why the story works either way. Also, just because GF didn't think about it, doesn't mean you can't make your interpretation, that's literally the heart of art

>>57956365
>>57956430
it's amazing how every day borts demonstrate a different facet of their stupidity

>>57956478
>borts
this is unovafag vs unovafag

The dogshit Pokedex
The three elemental monkeys are the worst Pokemon ever created and the genies garbage I don't know what we're thinking with those abominations

>>57956473
>Anon was explaining why the story works either way
No, you idiot. Anon tried to claim Reshiram fits N better, hence the image. Idiot.

>>57956473
>doesn't mean you can't make your interpretation, that's literally the heart of art
You are not beating the pretentious idiot allegations.

>>57956635
*farts*

>>57956637
As expected of you.

*sniff*

>>57956365
>>57956629
Meanwhile in MY reality.

>>57956505
explain why the genies are so popular in competitive then

>>57956653
all they had to do was make reshiram ideals (religion) and zekrom truth (science)
how did they fuck this up

>>57944948
Nah Gen 2 is pretty bare story wise, I think the lore and worldbulding is amazing though.

>>57956769
See >>57954302.

Having traces of a good story > Having too much of a bad story.

>>57957063
I think the conflict between "good" plasma and evil plasma and Ns whole upbringing is interesting, I will agree though since bw2 doesn't have that conflict and is just Ghetsis being evil for the sake of evil and Colress just existing those games are much worse story wise.

>>57944789 (OP)
the useless c-gear taking up the bottom screen after gen 4 games both made great use of the bottom screen.

>>57957063
>Having traces of a good story > Having too much of a bad story.
true

>>57957608
cope

>>57944789 (OP)
I like gen 5 but gen 5 has the highest percentage of pokemon that look ugly and gross and unappealing, it's why I prefer B2W2 because you have access to non gen 5 pokemon.

>>57957567
It took over 120 posts for Gen 5's biggest flaw to show up?

>bumping from page 10 to get a word in
Kwabbin

>>57959664
BW improved the dowsing machine and the key item shortcuts only for you to whine "HGSS bottom screen was better"

The only flaw is that the online features can't be brought back. If there was a serious emulation for it and the dream world website, I'd go nuts.

>>57959682
Yeah, you can still get the entralink items with https://github.com/kuroppoi/entralinked, as for the actual DW site, it's very unlikely it will ever come back because it requires caches saved on computers that used it back in the day, and so far there's no progress

>>57944789 (OP)
I remember the encounter rate being absurdly high, yeah the repel system is a nice QOL but man it's like the game WANTED me to buy them just to see it

also just a personal gripe, but I do wish the seasons were a week long and not a month.

>>57944789 (OP)
no difficulty

>>57944789 (OP)
>Asks to name a flaw
>One of them is called "Black Version"
The flaw is right in your face

>>57959746
You're right, they added the (slightly broken) difficulty options in the sequel

>>57959843
>slightly
KEK nice cope

>>57959843
I don't think doing the literal opposite of its intended function is "slightly broken"

>>57959676
Why couldn't we have both? There was no need for the bottom screen to be changed from a functional always there menu to a multiplayer mess that begs you to turn it on every time you load your save and is only good for telling the time.

>>57944789 (OP)
2D sprites.
3D are the superior visuals and here to stay

>>57959898
Well, XY fixed this

>>57959923
>3D best
Check the dumpster fire of scarlet and violet again retard. Gamefreak is garbage and clearly hates Pokemon because of their lack of effort. The only bigger failures are the fans that defend those absolute subhumans instead of demanding better games

>>57960002
saaaaaaaaaar

>>57944789 (OP)
NO CHARIZARD FROM KANTOOOOOO AS A STARTER!!!

>>57960005
I hope your village starves

>>57960021
saaar youry village saaar

I wish they'd be brave enough to make a new game with an entirely new pokedex like gen5 again. being in a completely different part of the world only makes sense there wouldn't be the exact same species living ther. not being able to use your favourite shitmon for the 12th game in a row isn't a valid reason for hating it