Genuine question SV are among the best-selling Pokemon games, yet the anime that’s partially set in Paldea is performing poorly. Why is that happening?
source: https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/JP/pokemon-horizons-the-series-poketsutomonsuta-tv-tokyo

>>57950086 (OP)
>it's a fucking flop
HahHahahahAhHAhahaHAhHAhHAhHAhAHAHAhahaHAhahaHAHHAhaHA!!

>>57950086 (OP)
It’s also like the games and anime have two completely separate fanbases with only a small overlap .

>>57950086 (OP)
Oh no no no no, horizonsisters, how is it possible that our superior and chungus anime is a flop, this is Ash "hecking" Ketchum's fault!!

>>57950086 (OP)
This is what's gonna happen
>In a few hours you will have posters saying that ratings don't matter
>You will be called Ashschizo along with anyone laughing at this
>Someone will bring up the Nico ratings
>The "Ash isn't coming back" schizo Will start spamming
>The thread will get deleted or the others will have an unnatural push to send this one to the archive
>You will get banned
And someone will call me mentally ill

>>57950086 (OP)
Do japanese kids even watch anime in general rather than just youtube shit?

>>57950086 (OP)
Oh no no no

Serious answer: The OCs are fucking ugly, really vomit-inducing and the ones that aren't visually offensive are fucking boring, The story is shit, the few SV characters that appear are glorified cameos that are only there to make the OCs look better.

>>57950168
There are times when I really feel like there is paid marketing on the board.

>>57950184
>Serious answer: The OCs are fucking ugly, really vomit-inducing and the ones that aren't visually offensive are fucking boring, The story is shit, the few SV characters that appear are glorified cameos that are only there to make the OCs look better.
But enough about Journeys

>>57950216
>Journeys brought a loved pokegirl from past generations to please the fans, even though that would diminish the importance of an OC
I love when writers think about the fans.

>>57950086 (OP)
Anime drops familiar characters and plot structure that the series for OCs and a storyline that no one asked for because the higher ups were getting sick of the formula. The anime then flops because the fans stop watching. Shocker.

>>57950086 (OP)
If you read Japanese forums, everyone wants Satoshi to return

>57950216
>yeah bro picrel is better than Koharu, even though his gender is indistinguishable
LMAO!!

>>57950227
More like
>The writers desperately had to bring Dawn back to save Koharu’s flopped ass.
All the OCs in Journeys are garbage, they did the same shit with Goh, forcing a “rivalry” with Gary.

The people who wouldn't care about the anime centering around a new protagonist moved on long ago.
The ones who do care either hate that ash is gone or simply don't like the new characters.

>>57950247
>The writers brought back Gary, the original Rival, even though that would overshadow an OC.
Holy Fucking Based!

>>57950086 (OP)
anti-ash likopedos on suicide watch.

>>57950240
>his gender is indistinguishable
Skill issues

>>57950086 (OP)
>NOOOO BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER THAN THE ASHNIME HOW DID ASHFAGS WI-

>>57950282
>He says that while no one in the flopnime thread knew if picrel was a boy or a girl.
Kek!!

>>57950311
Huh, that head is fucking huge.

>>57950311
What in the fuck is going on with the character designers with making the characters look like the most random mishmash of shit imaginable? No wonder everyone hates the new anime

>>57950311
>He says that [HEADCANON]
Everyone knew ult is a blatant brat and a retard just like you

>>57950311
>>57950327
>>57950384
>4chan cucks are such shut in retards that they don't even know how a girl looks like
Anyone who wasn't a retard knew ult was going to be a boy because no fucking girl looks like that
You sharteens are becoming way more desperate

>>57950395
>how a girl looks like
uh... actually that's a boy

>>57950395
Okay? I never said anything about gender just that his head looks like a cupcake with that size but whatever makes you feel better bro

>>57950397
Notice how you just ignored the rest of the post lmao

>>57950395
>Anyone who doesn't like this flop is a sharty
Jesus Christ, I hope you're trolling... at this point I prefer when everyone blamed Discord for any opinion that went against their ideas.

>>57950086 (OP)
kek don't show this to the tranime general
there's a reason pokemon anime was appealing
they should have kept the formula instead of changing things up since galar (i haven't watched anything after sinnoh yet, but i know at least unova, kalos and alola have their own arcs)
and they finally shat it all up with the change of protag
>>57950168
those are literal unpaid discordjeets handled by literal trannies
there are several leaks from different discord servers that do exactly this shit all over the internet
they even operate on /v/ to silence all criticism of ninshitdo by calling everyone a snoy and eric

>>57950406
>>Anyone who doesn't like this flop is a sharty
You and >>57950240 are clearly sharteens otherwise you wouldn't be obsessed with troons and how characters look like

Ash is the embodiment of everything sacred about childhood: wonder, perseverance, and boundless curiosity. Hating him is something only a heart closed off from innocence could manage. He’s a boy whose dream burns so brightly it lights the path of everyone who’s ever played a Pokemon game, watched the anime, or imagined setting off on a journey of their own.
Ash is not just a character. He is an event. A feeling. A living dream stitched into the very fabric of childhood any modern attempt to replicate what Ash stands for is impossible and end in failure

>>57950240
>>57950311
goddamn these characters look ugly
and i thought the niggabbo looked bad
character design in general is becoming shit too, with everyone trying weird features instead of the simple ones that worked before

>>57950412
>troons
You are the first to mention them in the thread, You know there are androgynous people, with this post you've just shown that the only shartys here are the ones in your head.

>>57950311
Yeah, anyone whose seen more than 1 anime can see this is a guy. That's more obvious than Goh which is still obviously male despite how much people claimed he was feminine. It takes more than eyelashes to make someone feminine

>>57950419
>You are the first to mention them in the thread
You started talking about a characters having an "indistinguishable gender" though

>>57950417
That's modern anime/manga in a nutshell

>>57950425
And how exactly does that relate to the people you clearly can’t stop thinking about?

>>57950429
Only sharteens say such things

>>57950426
yeah, but it's also seeped into games
take a look at character designs in swsh and compare them to sv
or even take a look at gachashit "games" and their character designs
it's all overdesigned slop these days

>>57950426
>Modern
Fucking zoomers

>>57950431
You're the one who mentioned them. If the first thing you think about when someone talks about an androgynous person is them, you should get some help.
>>57950435
edgy but kino design, On the other hand, the two OCs look like Starfield NPCs, Kek!

>>57950439
>You're the one who mentioned them.
i'm not the one calling a blatant girl design having a "indistinguishable gender" though only sharteens do that because they don't know how girls look like

>>57950435
It wasn't as common as it is today, retard. Now every fucking character has two hair colors, Isekai and maybe sports are the only ones using simpler colors

>ashjeets are STILL seething
He's NCB, move on.

>>57950439
It is a tranny thing to do to call someone trans just because they don't meet their standards of male and female stereotypes. Just look at Rika and Grusha

>>57950447
How do I know that's a girl? She doesn't dress like a girl, her face isn't visible, her hair isn't long or has a feminine hairstyle, It's just a horrible design and looks ugly, if you tell me that's a boy it could perfectly be one.

>>57950453
>likopedo huffing kiloliters if copium
Cry about. Your tranime is nothing without CHAD ketchum.

>>57950458
>How do I know that's a girl?
By not being a terminally online 4chan loser

>The little girls' anime and the homoerotic adventures are fighting over which one is less woke.
Lmao

>>57950461
Nice falseflag, Ash not coming back is the best outcome unless they plan to do the same thing Disney did to Luke which they won't out of fear.

And the other two staying is good in its own way because they will do a better job in the next anime

>>57950465
>By not being a terminally online 4chan loser
This but unironically
Notice how only 4channers have trouble to understand a Pokemon character's gender only by design
porn addiction ruined their brains beyond repair

>>57950465
What if I do it based on male and female gender standards and you promise to stop thinking about shartys and trans.

>>57950479
>"What if I do it based on male and female gender standards"

>>57950483
Gender standards are a rule developed over centuries, the fact that you have never seen a feminine woman in your life does not mean that the rest of us do not know what a woman looks like in a feminine dress and hairstyle. you should touch grass Kek!

>>57950491
>the fact that you have never seen a feminine woman in your life
Yet you're the one who can't recognize a female character
how curious

Retards are beyond help if you think boys look like this

>>57950503
Commmies will insist that is a they/them femboy. Sorry I'm just trying to be progressive. :)

>>57950503
The funny thing is that they say the same thing about rika but then never post an example of a man that looks exactly like rika KEK

>>57950498
That thing is an anime character who doesn't follow feminine gender standards. If you can't understand that, you're the one with the problem, touch grass you really should seek help.
>>57950504
Gender standards matter, if your brain can only think about porn as a first response you should seek professional help.

>>57950509
>That thing is an anime character who doesn't follow feminine gender standards.
The so called "Feminine gender standards" yet refuse to post a man that looks exactly like dot to prove the point
How curious

>>57950505
Rika follows two gender standards, she has long feminine hair and her face is sharper compared to male characters, that OC does not follow any gender standard.
>>57950515
I don't know what the hell you're talking about. You haven't asked me to post anything until this post. If you're having trouble collecting your thoughts, step away from the keyboard and come back when you're calmer.

>The character looks like a boy!
>What boy looks like that?
>Well.. uhm..
lol

>>57950086 (OP)
Television is dying, even in Japan.
That and main Pokemon anime being a massive let down for years now.
Also, dropping Ash and rest of memorable and nostalgic character for group of literally whos distanced oldfags.
Also, diverging too much from old, game-based formula left massive content hole that writers struggle to fill in. The "Ash going through 8 gyms and league" scenario was used over and over again but it worked and still was better than bullshitting about lost land full of stone that makes your Pokemon high, powerful and insane and other shit that is just not fitting into rest of the franchise.

>>57950517
You can't even prove boys look like that therefore dot doesn't look like a boy then

>>57950520
Reorganize your ideas because I don't understand what you're talking about, I think in your head you thought I was talking about Rika, you should step away from the keyboard you're not writing anything that makes sense.

>>57950523
>D-Dot totally looks like a boy even though boys don't look like that

>>57950527
Anon, I'm really worried about you. your first thought is trans when someone talks about gender, your first thought when someone mentions gender standards is porn, I don't know what's going on in your life, but I'm not joking when I say there's something wrong with you. I'm not going to post a real child here to compare him to an anime child, that sounds sick, it disgusts me.

>>57950539
>No proofs
As expected

>>57950545
We're talking about anime, why do you want to bring real children in here? In the anime, Picrel is a man, but no one knew it until it was revealed later because this character follows feminine gender standards. The same is true of the OC, there's no trait in her horrible design that indicates she's a girl.

>>57950086 (OP)
Flip flop flip flop flip FLOP!

>>57950558
>He said while posting an actual troon character

>>57950565
I've already given you too many explanations, more than your brain can understand, answer this question directly: >>57950458
>How do I know that's a girl?
answer it

>>57950558
>No ass
>No boobs
>Not skinny as fuck
>In the same anime where womens are literal walking bongs with watermelons
Only a retard would believe this is a woman

Horizons is bad, but not because of the absence of Ash. It's just boring. A fun, upbeat series with lots of battles, game character cameos, and comedic episodes would do fine even without Ash.

Horizons fans are some of the most brain dead pedophiles on this entire site though. The anime general is like a lobotomy wing, just ritual posts and insane pedophilic fantasies being posted and reposted ad nauseum, almost 0 real discussion.

>>57950559
https://youtu.be/-XuEyho9mM0?si=nHSawWUH5z5bsYAP

>>57950566
>>How do I know that's a girl?
Not a single boy looks like that

>>57950568
Although I agree that /a/ is retarded, No one was sure if it was a man or not, you can check it out for yourself in the /a/ archives because this is the first Okama that Oda draws without having a muscular man's body or looking like Frankenstein.
>>57950573
In the anime, many characters look like that.

>>57950573
You also didn't answer my question. What specific traits of that OC tell me it's a girl?

>>57950580
>In the anime, many characters look like that.
Prove it
Such as?

>>57950580
>No one was sure if it was a man or not
It's pretty obviously a man not a single woman in one piece looks like that

>>57950580
One Piece taught me from a young age to just let fags do what they want and be cool with it. I was at the club partying with someone named "Jess" who had a mustache and was 6ft tall wearing a shitty wig and speaking in a horrible attempt at sounding feminine. She ended up being funny as fuck, found an unoccupied wheelchair outside and spent 15 minutes doing a Stephen Hawking bit that made everyone laugh their asses off. If I was a hateful piece of shit I'd have slunk off to the bathroom to complain on 4chan about troons but instead I rolled with it like my hero Luffy and made a weird ass friend.

>>57950086 (OP)
Likonime...

>>57950597
Gowther from 7sins
Nagisa from AC
shuichi from Gleipnir
>>57950592
>unable to say a single trait
I will graciously accept this victory where you have been humiliated and defeated, LMAO! hahahHAHAHaHAHAHHAhahahahaAhHAhaha

>>57950613
>Gowther from 7sins
>Nagisa from AC
>shuichi from Gleipnir
Who could have guessed that the characters who look like girls looked like the actual girl character

We were robbed of Alain kino in gen 7 on par with Yusei Fudo. All TPCi had to do was let Greninja win and retire Ash.

>>57950613
>The character doesn't look like a girl because she looks like a FEMboy
lol?

>>57950630
>>57950645
They all look like men, especially shuichi who is the most similar to this OC.

>>57950654
>They all look like men
Not a single "Man" looks like this especially nagisa lol

>>57950662
>This looks like a man according to sharteens
Top kek

>shift the atention from the flop to spam some gender bullshit
That anon was right, discord jeet warriors are real

>>57950662
In the anime yes and that OC is an anime character

>>57950086 (OP)
Because the anime has been performing poorly since gen 3 ended and it needs to die already? People don't care about this shit since a long time ago

>The character looks like a man! that's why i'm using femboy characters that don't look like men to prove that!
Hahahahahahahaha you retards are making me laugh so fucking hard right now

>>57950630
>>57950645
Name a single trait that says that disgusting piece of shit is a girl?

>>57950665
Therefore Neither of these look like they're men got it
>>57950671
You used a femboy character to prove a girl doesn't like like a girl hahahahahah

>Dude she doesn't look like a girl!
>Posts a character whose whole trope is looking like a girl
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

>>57950675
>Faggot can't describe why that shit is a girl
Kek!

>>57950680
>Retard uses a FEMboy to prove how a girl doesn't look like a girl
LMAO!

>>57950675
soooooo this looks like a girl according to you, Kek

>>57950685
>He says while claiming picrel also looks like a man
KEK

>>57950668
This is cope. SM was the only series to perform better than its predecessor, and JN did well enough to get Pokémon moved back to the more advantageous Friday slot. XY, SM, and even JN were also staffed better than Horizons, which has for all intents and purposes been fully abandoned by OLM in favor of seasonal animes. Horizons has the highest volume of consecutively outsourced episodes per series, with tons of poorly animated shit from companies that can barely draw.

People can get mad and turn it into an Ash thing or a woke thing or whatever, but the only actual reality to contend with is that Horizons is a big fat money hemorrhaging failure that nobody wants to work on and very few people want to watch. I don't give a Furret's fat ass about the particulars of if the children want Ash back or not, I just know for a fact that OLM needs something different from Horizons in order to make money and regain some semblance of success.

>>57950693
You're right, the femboys look more feminine than that OC, that OC looks more masculine thanks for making me see reason and making me notice that the OC is more masculine hahahahaha

>>57950697
>Goalposting
Hahahahahahaha the absolute state of sharteens!

>Shartyfaggots claiming literal femboys look like men
They're not even trying to bait anymore this is just plain schizobabble lol

>>57950086 (OP)
Jesus Christ what a flop

>>57950664
You're absolutely right. Horizons posters are hardcore on their agenda and do crazy stonewall tactics when people are daring to criticize their liko

>Sharteens are femboyfags
I've seen everything in /vp/ now

>>57950694
>This is cope
>Proceed to cope with a wall of text
You are stupid, everyone in this thread talking about ash vs no ash and trannies are fucking stupid.
All of you disgusting human beings fell too hard in the time cost fallacy to realize this shit anime has been shit for decades and you just can't let it go.
Go to hell. Talk to people when the anime decided to make an actual show on Netflix with 12 episodes per season. Bye niggers

>>57950086 (OP)
>source is a dodgy company that doesn't distinguish between positive and negative engagement
>purpose is basically manipulating metrics for suits rather than measuring them
>only hollywood actually pays them attention
oh no no no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbxnoZjVI-k

>>57950712
You are extremely angry for someone who is alleging to be uninterested in the topic at hand. It's okay. We know how you really feel. Sorry your favorite show (horizons) is unpopular. BTW, you said bye, so if you come back to cope again that'll make you look like a stupid crazy jackass!

>>57950722
>doesn't distinguish between positive and negative engagement
OP post shows LOW engagement, positive or negative doesn't matter

>>57950722
>>This information is manipulated because that means that only like 4 people besides me watch this shit.
why are all flophorizonfags so stupid?

>>57950728
Be nice, their series finale will probably be animated in Taiwan at 6fps, if TPC doesn't just cut their losses and end it early.

>>57950760
>Taiwan
Is OLM outsourcing the anime even more than before? How was that Laqua or whatever climax animated anyways?

ZA is almost here, why not just end this boring story and start from scratch in Kalos?

We need time travel fuckery to go back and fix Greninja vs Charizard. It all stems from there.

>>57950772
Yeah nah no thanks. Funniest day of my life.

Ash is not coming back and the anime is doing fine for the sponsors that's why they are not cancelling it lol

>>57950774
Yet here you are seething over its concequences. Claiming it was worth it is a blatant lie.

>>57950694
>Ashnime was doing fine
The teraleak say otherwise even they cancelled the movies how the latest flopped hard

>>57950766
Very poorly for what was meant to be a climactic ending to a series long mystery. They haven't been able to pull out good animation since September with the genuinely great Liko vs Roy. Every fight since then has been speed lines and choppy movement or banked animation.

Look up Dot vs Perrin. Easily the worst looking fight to ever happen in the anime. It looks like a Chinese bootleg. Just pathetic.

>>57950790
Where in my post did I deliberately say 'ashnime was doing fine'? I said it did better than Horizons.

>he care about Pokemon tranime
Holy cringe pokefags are pathetic subhumans

>>57950790
Ash at his lowest point did better than Floprizons

Well the anime is flopping since best wishes, xy was mogged by yokai watch in Japan and never recovered, idk why it still exists, they must get money from it

Poketroons just keep losing

>The anime has always been flopping.
Floprizonsfags have just unlocked a new cope.

>>57950826
Pokemon is in the bottom barrel trash shit anime shit games shit designs shit tcg
lol digimon and palworld mogged it this year

>>57950826
This is just penny kek

>these people are nominal adults
>they have been eternally arseraped since the kodomo toy advert they watched religiously removed their self-insert to modernise
>they cannot comprehend the rightsholders will continue to fund the kodomo toy advert as it works for marketing the property in the west
>while ignoring its Japanese performance, due to the metric fucktonne greater penetration Pokémon has in Japanese day-to-day lives
When kids are growing up brushing their teeth with Pokémon, setting sleep schedules to meet pokémon while sleeping and going to school with Eeveelution backpacks to eat Pikachu-inspired lunch presentations, they kinda don't need to worry how it does at home. Meanwhile, the fact it's on iPlayer and netflix means it's in the home of every doss cunt in the UK or with a memesub (or with a VPN in fairness), meaning mummies or daddies are just as likely to put it on as a babysitter, especially now Summer's started in earnest (doubly so if the parental units grew up with it too) thus propagating the IP, even if the child is too young to get their own 300/450 dollar console to play with yet. But I'm sure some sad fucker who really needs a shave thinks their opinion's the only one that matters due to being oldfag and having a photographic memory of every wank episode that acted as marketing in his childhood in a similar fashion to today (even though that's just not true, given the metric fucktonne of filler the old series had, to spin out what was essentially a 60 ep story into three years of content).

>>57950086 (OP)
bring back ash